Battling flu, Canadiens take Wednesday off

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Randy Cunneyworth stressed he didn’t want to use it as an excuse, but Tomas Plekanec stayed home many of the Canadiens who dressed were under the weather against Dallas Tuesday night.
Which partially explains a 3-0 pasting at the hands of the Stars.
The loss dropped the Canadiens to 14th place in the Eastern Conference.

Pat Hickey’s game story

Quotes from the room

Red Fisher’s column

• Dave Stubbs on Mike Ribeiro and Dallas coach Glen Gulutzan

John Mahoney photo gallery

Arpon Basu’s game story

Pierre Ladouceur’s game report card

François Gagnon’s column

Stu Hackel on flaws in the players’ poll

751 Comments

  1. Hamayoune says:

    Just outta curiosity, what would it take to trade for a guy like Chris Stewart from the Blues.

    I just want to see what we could get with the group of available players we have. Another power forward who plays like he cares will only benefit the team (Please no more Bourques)

  2. duffy says:

    OK So there excuse for there brutal play last night was the FLU.So what is there excuse for the rest of the games so far.?

  3. boing007 says:

    There’s a doc on hockey (More than just a game) on Mountain Lake PBS tomorrow night at 9 P.M., if anyone is interested.

    Richard R

  4. ponyboy says:

    Rumors around Chicago they are going hard after a top end center. If it is Pleks, what do you ask for in return?

  5. No offence to anyone, but the last couple of days I have been thinking that Scott Gomez.. you know.. is a bit overpaid.

  6. I can’t believe I missed this milestone!

    Canadiens.com

    15,000 minutes and counting
    Thursday, 16.02.2012 / 5:13 PM
    Bet you didn’t know

    The first 60 seconds of Wednesday night’s second period against the Bruins may have seemed to most like just another minute of hockey. For Carey Price, it marked yet another milestone in his already illustrious young career.

    By the time those 60 seconds had expired, the Canadiens’ goaltender became only the fifth netminder in the history of the NHL to have logged 15,000 minutes of ice-time before blowing out the candles on his 25th birthday cake. Besides Price, only Harry Lumley, the legendary Terry Sawchuk, Tom Barrasso and ex-Habs goalie Jocelyn Thibault attained the plateau before the age of 25.

    Price, who will only celebrate his 25th birthday on August 16th of this summer, will have a hard time rewriting the records books before reaching a quarter-century of age, seeing as Lumley had already played a staggering 25,000 minutes of NHL hockey by the same point in his life.

    Well done Carey!

    OH OH I’M GETTING FIRED UP AGAIN BRING ON THE CAPS

    They Call Me Shane

  7. piter says:

    Man oh man, I can’t read any of the articles in the Gazette website. It says I’ve surpassed my quota for the month. Who charges for a newspaper site? Why bother putting links on a Habs site for hockey news, if you can only read them until you hit the quota? I didn’t want to have to find another Habs site, but if I can’t even read the articles they put links to, I’ll have to. Does anyone else have this problem?

  8. T-roy West says:

    Hey if we really want to rebuild can you imagine if this happened. Columbus, Edmonton and Montreal place 123 after the lottery draft. Montreal trades Price to Columbus for the number 1 pick, then we trade Subban and Weber to Edmonton for the number 2 pick. We select Yakupov, Grigerenko and Forsberg then move up with one of our picks to select Vasilevski or Dansk. If Thrower from the Saskatoon Blades is still around later on then grab him. He is my sleeper pick. Imagine what the bulldogs would look like if they all went to Hamilton for one year. Gallagher, Kristo, Bournival, Yakupov, Grigerenko, Forsberg, Holland, Geoffrion, Tinordi, Beaulieau, Dietz, Thrower, Pateryn and Ellis. Just to name a few. That would be a sick team. We might have lost Subban but we are deep in defensive prospects and we could always sign a UFA defenseman. Wow!!

    • Cardiac says:

      Wow indeed… We’d have no goalie and a piss-poor defense. We’d be the Oilers of the East.

      “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
      – Jerry Maguire

  9. Les-Habitants says:

    I’m sure many of seen this already, but LeBrun wrote an article on PK for ESPN. Good read.

    http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/7602672/montreal-canadeins-defenseman-pk-subban-just-being-pk

  10. HabFanSince72 says:

    Some of you might be too young, but the most loathed player for any Hab fan in the 80s was Dale Hunter.

    He seems to be a big part of the problem in Washington. This is what he had to say about Roman Hamrlik, who he is benching tonight (despite his being +11 since Hunter took over):

    “We want him to be a defensive defenseman,” Hunter said. “He’s giving up too many chances so he’s out of the lineup. Giving up too many, took a bad penalty last game and so we’re going to put someone else in.”

    Tremendous psychology there. Say what you will about the Hamr, but he’s a solid guy. No sense in humiliating him like that.


    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • shiram says:

      The blame, it’s being shifted.

    • Mr_MacDougall says:

      Backstrom Injury, Green injury, Semin and Ovi mailing it in… what a mess… and it all started with JMs system taking them down a peg/// A WHOLE PEG!

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Perhaps Hunter is trying to fast track his return to the London Knights in time for the OHL playoffs?

    • Stuck_in_To. says:

      Hunter received a lot of praise for his coaching of the London Knights and his positive impact on player development. I am sure it was well deserved but the NHL is a different beast and the Capitals are a messed up team.

      That being said, I remember his ugly helmet and his even uglier face under it and those insane eyes … he might be the player that I reviled most and I think he would have eated Brad Marchand for a snack and then use Marchand’s stick to pick the left over bits out of his teeth. And then used that to spear Chara in the family jewels.

    • mdp2011 says:

      There were a lot of skeptics regarding Hunter, that his style would not play out well in the NHL. That being a career successful junior coach, who happens to own the junior franchise, would not translate into success at the NHL level. Those skeptics seem to be right on the money. That is the same fear I have if the Habs hire Patrick Roy.

    • Phil C says:

      A good example of why coaches should not come directly from the OHL to the NHL. There is a big difference between coaching amateur boys vs professional men. It wouldn’t surprise me if he loses the room with moves like that. I guess time will tell. This is why Roy needs at least a year in the AHL or as an assistant in the NHL before coaching in the NHL.

  11. vanejorg says:

    Why does this team always end up with the flu every year??
    Do they need to hire a virus, or bacteria exterminator to sterilize Centre Bell? I think they have a case of the “stupid, lazy-ass, not earning your money, raking fans over the coals, better get a pair of blockbuster trades done” flu….from the owner on down.

  12. otter649 says:

    I’m sure Darcy Tucker is enjoying retirement according to Cap Geek he is collecting one million dollars a year from The Leafs till 2013/2014…….

  13. shiram says:

    Only teams that are not the Habs have first line centers.
    Right?

    • Say Ash says:

      I’m pretty sure there are 30 of them in the league.

      • shiram says:

        Not according to this place.

        • Habfan10912 says:

          Shiram, I think as DD continues to develop he has a very high up side. I remember Patches calling him the best player he’s ever played with. The thing I like best about him is he seems to create open ice for other players. Kind of like what Gomez did before he became, well, uh, Gomez.

    • Mr_MacDougall says:

      I would argue that there are only 10-15 high end top line centers in the NHL.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Agree.

        • Mr_MacDougall says:

          Jeez, I just mentioned below that I like DD, I think that the “Cole line” as it stands is a solid NHL second line and that Max Pac and Cole could be wingers on a high end NHL top line with a different center. That makes me a DD hater apparently. I actually like him, but if you look in depth at the numbers, he and Eller are very similar (PP aside) while Eller has had to play with much less talented players.

      • Bigdawg says:

        why 10-15 why not 30..why not 5 or maybe just 1 high end center? If you look at 10th in terms of points (thornton) and 11th (kopitar) is there a huge divide that seperates them? If we had kopitar would you be clamouring for a #1 center?

        Bergeron 15th has FOUR more points that DD. Is that huge to you?

        • Mr_MacDougall says:

          Points? are you kidding me? I would trade two DD’s for Bergereon, among the leagues best in faceoffs (especially d-zone, both forehand and backhand) He can shoot a puck, DD’s shot would be 4rth or 5th at best on my rec team. If you even consider DD as being on par with Patrice, the player that took most of the biggest faceoffs in Canadian Hockey history (2010 Olympics on home soil) as well as leading an almost perfect PK. He is also 6’1″ 200lbs.

          Also, I love watching DD, I think he brings a lot to the team, but he is far from a complete player. i think he has not yet hit his ceiling, but I will not for a moment consider him as a number 1 center on a club that wants to compete for a cup.

          • Bigdawg says:

            actually it is more like 6 DD’s for one bergeron given the cap hit

          • Mr_MacDougall says:

            Do you really think that DD is a Number 1 center on a cup contending team? Right now he is a No 1 on a lottery pick team. And, arguably the 3rd best center on his team. But I like him, I am just not going to consider him a No 1. If LA’s GM though as highly of him as you, I’d deal him in a second for Jack Johnson.

        • shiram says:

          Krejci has very similar numbers to Pleks, yet Pleks is always said to be at best a 2nd line center.
          If Krejci is a first C, Pleks is too.

  14. Bigdawg says:

    Is DD good or not? Answer – darn tootin’ he is

    Is he a #1 center? I think people have different definitions of #1 center. DD is currently the 22st ranked center in terms of points.

    how many #1 centers play in the NHL today?

    I think there should be 30 #1 centers but that’s just me (and probably a bunch of other guys too).

    #1 centers need to play with top line wingers, so saying its all Cole and Max is like twisting the truth a little.

    • habsnyc says:

      DD is ranked higher as a starting center than Price is ranked as a starting goaltender.

      Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      By that logic which NYI goalie is a number #1 goalie that then every team would want to have as their number 1 goalie. Same for Toronto, same for Columbus, etc….

    • Just A Guy says:

      I’ll reiterate something I mentioned down below. Even strength, DD is only slightly more productive then Eller with their respective wingers.

      There are lots of different things to think about. Eller’s maturity, line Chemistry and such before I would just make a blank statement that Eller should take DD’s spot. It is a curiosity though.

      • Bigdawg says:

        maturity – or more specifically hockey maturity is what is holding eller back most IMO. Hopefully as he develops he will have a chance to produce like DD does today and provide results. Eller is a big boy too. If he develops into a top 30 center then we might not need to go out and trade for one.

        wouldn’t it be nice to have more than one top 30 center. We could potentially have 3 with pleks, DD and Eller (ok, I know a bit of a pipe dream but 2 is not unreasonable).

    • SlovakHab says:

      Some teams have two no. 1 centers, like LA (Kopitar, Richards) or Pittsburgh (Crosby, Malkin). Boston has three (Krejci, Seguin, Bergeron).
      Same with goalies. Some teams have more than one legitimate NHL starter – Halak/Eliot, Luongo/Schneider, some teams only have backups – like Toronto.

    • vegas says:

      DD is decent with great wingers, put him on the third linie with guys like Moen and Darche or Leblanc and see what he does. I’d convert him to wing and get a big boy to play number 1C

  15. Newf_Habster says:

    The Caps have put Hamlrik on trading block according to several reputable sources including Ren Lavoie. I do not want to see him to be Habs again.

    The re-signing of Ruutu by Carolina means AK46’s trade value has raised dramatically. :)

  16. HabinBurlington says:

    So Ovie leaves bench last game and comes back for 3rd, later called equipment issue. Yesterday he is given practise off for maintenance day and is game time decision for Washington’s game tonight.

    Any chance Hunter threw a glass ashtray at Ovi ala Pat Burns?

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=388526

  17. Propwash says:

    I’m looking at a mock draft, and the names being thrown around for the upcoming draft really don’t jump out at me.
    http://www.mynhldraft.com/NHL-Mock-Draft/

    As it stands, the logical choice would be another d-man Mathiew Dumba, or a centerman by the name of Alex Galchenyuk.

    _____________________________
    Don’t let the wultures getcha.

    • Just A Guy says:

      Galchenyuk might be a bit of a gamble as I have understood it, but I’ve seen a highlight compilation of his and I was more then impressed. I was thinking if I had any type of say in strategy, I would somehow try and put a package together to try and draft him and Branden Gaunce, seems he’s moved up a few ranks since I last saw him floating around the mid 20’s though.

      With Dietz, Beaulieu, Tinordi and.. there is another d man in the system that is projected top 4 as well, I would say its time to focus on that big center :)

    • Stuck_in_To. says:

      A mock draft usually just has your team draft the player at the corresponding draft ranking to your team’s pick position. Hence this draft has us taking Dumba. I’ll admit, there is something alluring about having Dumba and Subban. And there is the theory that you take the best player at your pick position and if that means you end up with a warehouse of D-men then, hey, trade for your needs.

      Nice theory but with the dearth of good centres I would rather see the Habs trade up to take Grigorenko or down to get Faksa.

      The Habs gambled on taking AK with his medical issues and I just cannot see them rolling the dice on Galchenyuk. Of course, that does not mean it will not happen.

      Edit: AK had a medical problem while Gal. is injured. I just find the fact that he has not played this year to be troublesome.

      • Stev.R says:

        He tore his ACL which is an easier injury to recover from when you’re young. He will have also had almost a full year to rehab it before training camp, and I would not expect MTL to rush him.

        • Stuck_in_To. says:

          Not having developed on ice for the year, and the Yak connection as you point out below … just would feel that much safer with trading up for Grigo but then how often do things work out for the Habs? I mean, Price was a real nice bonus but truthfully most of us were dying for that number one pick for Crosby. : ) Ah well, to dream. Whatever happens, the idea of either of these two guys developing in Ham. with Gallagher or Kristo on a wing is soothing.

          • Stev.R says:

            Grigorenko may even be NHL ready next season, maybe. Galchenyuk does have a stigma around him but you watch some of his high lights and he gets you excited. He’s a risk/reward player.

      • vanejorg says:

        “Dummy” and “Stupid”an…..that’s just what we need. Too many stupidos, and squirts on the team already.

        New Rule: You must be over 200 lbs. and be over 6′ tall(without skates) to play for Les Canadiens.

    • Stev.R says:

      There are three players in the draft that could be potential game breakers. Yakupov, Grigorenko, and Galchenyuk. The risk with Galchenyuk is that he hasn’t played at all this year and his stellar year last year may have been because he was on a line with Yakupov. The safe choice for would be Grigorenko over Galchenyuk, alhough Galchenyuk could be a huge steal. Gaunce is nothing special. He’ll go around 15. Faksa is the other center that could possibly go in the top 10. Big, strong playmaker that is humble and mature. He is apparently rocketing up the charts recently.
      Most of the top 10 will be defensemen. Murray was expected to be the top dman out there but Dumba (Subban reincanate) has recently taken over that spot.

      So lets hope for Grigorenko, be excited for Galchenyuk, and be happy with Faksa. If those three are gone then take the next best player which will either be Forsberg or a defenseman.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        How about Forsberg? The name alone makes one salivate.


        Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

        • Stev.R says:

          I don’t know how to gauge players playing in the Swedish elite league because I’m not familiar with it. He puts up less than a point per game in Sweden and I don’t know if thats because he’s so young, or if it’s because he isn’t really all that skilled. I assume he’s pretty good. Anyways, he’s supposed to be a winger, and I’m more focused on centers.

          • Mad Habber says:

            Generally speaking a lot of Swedish players do put up lower numbers than CHL guys just because they are playing against older, more experienced players.

            As per the hockey news article which I’m pretty sure everyone has read.

            http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/44937-The-Hot-List-The-next-Foppa.html

            Filip Forsberg, RW – Leksand (Swe.)

            Though 2012 is only two months old, it’s been a pretty good year for Forsberg. He kicked off the campaign by helping Sweden to its first world junior gold in 31 years, then went over to Finland a month or so later and took a Five Nations tourney title back with him. “Two great tournaments,” Forsberg said. “I hope it continues with the under-18s in April.”

            That would give the budding scorer a rare Tre Kronor trifecta and the fact he already has two wins to his credit is part of the reason some NHL GMs think the Swede could go as high as second overall in the draft this summer. The kid’s got size (6-foot-1, 181 pounds) and great hands, but also knows he can work on his skating. “I think I could be quicker,” Forsberg said. “Both at the beginning of my stride and when I’m at top speed.”

            A faster Forsberg (no relation to Peter) is a scary notion indeed, especially since scouts love his complete game already. Though he seems like a sure thing to come over to North America next season, Forsberg wants to see if he can get Leksand, the team he grew up idolizing, promoted to Sweden’s top division first. “It really depends on if we play up next year,” he said. “It would be so sick to be up in the first league.”

            Depending on how things go in the fall, he may even have a shot at the best league in the world, instead.

        • jmsheehy19 says:

          He didn’t really impress me in the WJC, though that’s obviously too small a sample size to get a proper bearing.

          I’d rather one of the centers.

      • vegas says:

        what about Forsberg

  18. Mr_MacDougall says:

    Pretty discouraged Habs fan at the moment. Many wholes in the lineup. I’d say Cole and Pacioretty are first line players, and they have been carrying DD. Would be a fantastic top line with a “true No. 1 center.”

    The DD supporters are going to freak at me, I know. But the way I see it is he loses most one on one puck battles, rarely shoots and is a well above average passer while being the slowest skater on his line.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      “Would be a fantastic top line with a “true No. 1 center.””

      Like Eric Staal? Oh but Cole’s having his most productive year ever.

      “the way I see it is he loses most one on one puck battles,”

      You’re not seeing what I’m seeing.


      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

      • Mr_MacDougall says:

        I watch every game, and now that Cole is ailing, and Pacioretty is still holding his own, DD is showing his warts.. slow, weak, but great vision and passing. He is FAR from the “total package.”

        • Just A Guy says:

          I think there is some merit to what you are arguing, but DD isn’t that bad. His size is extremely limiting granted, but he has some slick hands. The real problem is when you compare him to Eller.

          Both are fast and have good hands.
          Eller has 12 goals and 22 points, +2
          DD has 11 goals and 44 points, +10

          Now the average time on ice for Eller and DD is about the same if DD never got any PP time. So, with 14 points on the PP giving DD 30 even strength points. One could easily make an argument that with some decent wingers, Eller could be outperforming DD at this point in his career. Eller is 22, DD is 25.

          Another argument to be made is that Eller still needs some time to put it together (and has the size to do it in the NHL), and DD is a very cheap stop-gap.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      I 100% disagree that Cole and Max P are carrying DD. DD has shown that he makes wingers better cause of his smart hockey IQ. yes, he is small and yes he has shown he can produce at any level.

      He was our most productive forward from the all star break on last season and has continued great production this year. Last year he was on the third line. What does this guy have to do for people to think he is decent?

      Max P also said he was the best centre he has played (last year) with when he was in the AHL with him. They have great chemistry

    • geo_habsgo says:

      I don’t think that they are carrying DD so much as the three of them just compliment each others playing style. Two big bodies to clear up traffic and make space for DD to use his playmaking and passing skills while Patches has a goal scorers finish and Cole bangs in front of the net. The three just click and it seems to elevate their overall play so I think that in the case of DD, his status as a #1 center is a relative term.

    • munch17 says:

      I actually agree 100%. DD is a good hockey player given his size. He has great vision. But he is playing on a number one line flanked by arguably the two best power forwards we have had in ages. And he is not putrting up #1 numbers.Imagine Saku with those two. Or Oleks. Or Eller.
      DD can dish out a nice pass if he can get to the puck – and he usually can’t. This is not the DD line. It is the Cole line. 9/10 times it is Cole who gains the line. Anyone who thinks we can count on him as a number one centre is nuts. Sorry y’all. Just my opinion.

  19. darcy1 says:

    I think Pierre Gauthier just hit the jackpot… gotta figure a high 2nd rounder (maybe low 1st round??) + prospects for each of AK & Moen now that Ruutu is off the market!

    ——————-
    “Talent is a gift from God, but you only succeed with hard work. Yvan was proof of that.”
    – Jean Beliveau

    • Stev.R says:

      I think people over estimate the value of Moen. He is a steady enforcer but he has barely any offensive skills. He is having a career year and he has 9 goals…
      He is not a 20 goal scorer like Downie is (or would be w/o injuries), or like Ruuttu has done before.

      Also, I’m pretty sure Moen is completely off the table. PG isn’t offering him, they plan to resign him, and he’s injured and you can’t trade injured players.

      • mrhabby says:

        if Moen is not off the table…the scuttlebut is Vancouver is very , very interested..he would bring tons of grit and size. sounds like something habs need.

      • darcy1 says:

        thats fair to say, but this year’s trade market seems to be inflated (see: Gill, Hal).

        ——————-
        “Talent is a gift from God, but you only succeed with hard work. Yvan was proof of that.”
        – Jean Beliveau

    • Chrisadiens says:

      All indications are the Habs want to re-sign Moen. AK is as good as gone.

      Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      Either that or they just priced AK right off our team

      • darcy1 says:

        which is why they need to trade him and get something in return rather than just let him walk away.

        ——————-
        “Talent is a gift from God, but you only succeed with hard work. Yvan was proof of that.”
        – Jean Beliveau

  20. geo_habsgo says:

    I need you guys to rate this trade I did in NHL 12:

    Kaberle
    Dietz
    3rd round pick 2013

    for

    Skinner
    2nd round rick 2012

    I feel like in real life the habs would be winners of that trade, right? PG make it happen.

  21. Rad says:

    Come on Goat, you’re on the Clock …
    Sell Sell Sell!

  22. HighlanderHab says:

    Someone in MTL needs to make a video similar to Liverpool FC fans’ ‘Dear Mr Hicks’ – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO55BazkiZ4

    ‘Dear Mr Molson’

  23. Stev.R says:

    Ruuttu signs for 4.75 per.

    Is that high, seems high to me.

    • Maksimir says:

      That’s freaking insane – the guy has only cracked 20 goals twice in 9 seasons… by that example AK should get 5.5 mil a year! Ridiculous!

    • HabinBurlington says:

      That is good news in one way for us, increases value of Moen and AK potentially, another rugged forward out of the trade deadline picture.

    • shiram says:

      Free agent pool is gonna be quite poor this summer.
      Also sets the bar very high for AK46’s next contract.

    • darcy1 says:

      doesn’t pleks make $5 mil/season?

      how can rutherford afford to pay a 3rd liner that much??

      ——————-
      “Talent is a gift from God, but you only succeed with hard work. Yvan was proof of that.”
      – Jean Beliveau

      • Sean Malone says:

        remove the Montreal hype & Pleks isn’t much more than a 3rd line centre….hasn’t done anything since AK27 left the team…and he has yet to ever show up when it counts – the playoffs. -17 rating zero chemistry with any of the wingers this year and seems to be easier easier to separate him from the puck. guess the 5m must be weighing him down. IMO, dump his 5M get a big stud on d and let eller & leblanc be our no.2/3 centres until they can get an actual no.1 centre.

        ~I never said it. Honest.~

    • Kooch7800 says:

      Insane is they wouldn’t match the 4.5 the habs gave cole…..lol DUMB DUMB

    • vegas says:

      Stev AK said he would take a hometown discount from market value, not present value. AK at 3 million would be a steal. H’es market value is probably closer to Ruttu’s so if could sign him for approx 3.75/4 it would be great. he’d still be worth the same as this year should we want to trade him. I just don’t like how we handle AK. Every year at the start he is amongst our best players, then we keep messing with his linemates. As soon as things starte dto good with Pleks they bounced him off. Then things starte dto go well with Eller and they bounced him off again. Since then Eller has stopped producing too. Cunneyworth why are you doing the same thing Martin is doing. Did AK piss in you soup???

  24. HabinBurlington says:

    .532 points per game Vermette
    .557 points per game AK

    These two guys have really similar stats all the way down to money being earned. Have to believe AK is going to get 3.5 to 4.25 per year after this season and Vermette is guaranteed 3.75 for 3 more years.

    I kind of think Columbus should have gotten more for Vermette, but then again the Columbus GM is not really considered shrewd. Hope this trade does not devalue what we can get for AK if indeed the Team decides to move on.

    • And I think the deal is exactly what Vermette is worth.

      Did we get a first rounder for Cammalleri? I can’t see getting one for Kostitsyn.

      SO I want a second rounder and 20-25 goal player with upside potential. I’ll look tonight and let Gauthier know.

      I kinda want Bourque moved too, there’s something wrong with that guy (outside of hockey), and I don’t want to go through another three years of Bourque posts like we deal with Gomez here.

      They Call Me Shane

      • shiram says:

        Bourque is not Gomez bad, he’s just another kind of AK.
        What do you think is wrong with Bourque, that remark is curious.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Ha, I like that, now there is a new standard in bad, Gomez Bad. Funny, he is true pop culture now.

        • Bourque? Who knows, could be any number of things.

          Maybe he hates the city, personal life, family left behind, who knows, (and it’s none of our business) but he’s just following through on the ice.

          Kaberle’s divorce almost destroyed his hockey career.

          Plek’s new born is keeping him awake at night. That’s why you can tell who’s a parent here, most of us don’t hate the guy because we know what he’s going through.

          Just a few examples.

          They Call Me Shane

          • shiram says:

            Oh I thought you meant something more sinister, the way you posted it sounded quite omnious.

          • vegas says:

            that Pleks excuse is crap. you think these guys don’t have full time nanny’s and cleaning ladies??? come on
            Plus he isn’t home half the time when the team is on the road

      • mb says:

        “there’s something wrong with that guy (outside of hockey)”…
        What do you mean?

        I think Bourque is inconsistent, but I also think he can be a good player for this team. I’d like to see him for a full year, at least.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          I think Shiram nailed it, he is a different version of AK, another enigma wrapped in a conundrum or however that stupid saying goes. But in light of the contract we off loaded and some picks will live with it.

        • I’ve watched him play (Western kid) all his career, and the last few weeks that we have seen of him is nothing like how he has played in the past. Leads me to believe that outside of hockey he’s having problems.

          They Call Me Shane

          • Lawrencetown Liquor Pigs says:

            Or, just as likely if not more possible, the Habs dressing room of 2011-12 is the place where marginal players of marginal character go to die.

            ______________________________________________________
            Lost a bottle of Kraken during this debacle of a season. Better gettem next year.

      • alfieturcotte says:

        Agreed on the Bourque observation. His contract is not exactly light and is long term. I don’t see him being the power forward that PG should have known him to not be….

      • HardHabits says:

        Bourque brings a big body, can scrap, and has being doing yeoman work on the penalty kill. He’s a perennial 50 point man with half of those being goals. For what he brings at his cap hit I have no issue with him. Solid 3rd liner. Not really a leader but you know what they say about not enough indians.

  25. Bripro says:

    Here’s Scott Cullen’s breakdown of the Vermette deal.
    http://www.tsn.ca/fantasy_news/story/?id=388549

  26. Storm Man says:

    Well should talk about players I would like the Habs to draft as the playoffs are out and we will sell sell sell now. I would like Galchenyuk or Rielly. Now let guess who goes to what team before or on the 27th.
    Moen….. I think he ends up out west LA or The sharks(2nd round pick and maybe a plug)
    AK46…. Nashville or Boston (1st round pick)
    Campoli……(4th round pick and who cares as long as he is gone.
    Plekanec…..(1st round pick, bottom 6 player and top 5 prospect…… Nashville or LA… I think he will still be here but would move him if we get that return.
    Darche…. 6th or 7th round Flyers is my guess.
    GLove….. Teams number 1 center next year Bulldogs. I don’t want the team to spend big in the UFA market this summer… Next summer is when the team should make a splash or 2.

  27. Dr.Rex says:

    How will TSN fill the time next Monday withough Pierre McGuire there humping the side of Darren Dutchysen’s leg?

  28. Kimberly2u says:

    Matty…..too funny…my first roll gave me the chance to play again….stupid roll up …lol

  29. Mattyleg says:

    This just in:
    First Roll Up The Rim was a winner.
    Free Coffee.
    Oh yeah.
    100% success rate.

    I should probably trade myself while my value is high…

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  30. db says:

    I blame gillett for this mess. He bought a team that never spent much and turned them into a high roller. He gave us hope. I used to love seeing him at work (bell center). He brought in international talent on all levels, mints bob (sorry, like the man not the gm). And then what does George do?!? He sells the team back to molson… A family that only cares about the bottom line. I for one was sad to see George go and I dont think this ownership and/or management have what it takes. Good god, look at our team. My expectations are now high for a team that goes by the bounces (they catch em and they’re in, they don’t and they miss the playoffs). There’s a good core here but they cost much…

    On a brighter note, 5 weeks til I’m in Mexico and stop caring about everything Canadian (not a typo) lol

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Except if Gillette had been here another 1-2 years he would have run out of money completely and his ownership style would have changed. I think he was an excellent owner, but didn’t have the deep enough pockets to play in the world of pro sports owner globally, too bad he ever met Tom Hicks…

      • Bripro says:

        You hit it on the head.
        I think he had the $$, until Hicks stuck his nose in it.
        I too liked George. He indeed rekindled the standards by which the Canadiens ruled, this after Ronald Corey had come along and blew it up the first time.
        Then Hicks….that idiot is slicker than a harpooned hippo on a banana tree.
        He’s busier than a one-legged man in an ass-kicking contest.
        He can swing a deal as effectively as a cat in a closet.
        He’s crazier….well, you get the idea.

    • RetroMikey says:

      Gillett and his son Foster had bought this team knowing that the team was going to celebrate the Centennial festivities with a bang and both knew that they were going to make a wad of cash along wiih bonuses given to Boivin as well as others in the organization..
      I don;t blame them one bit for selling the team when their stock was high, I would have done the same, take the money and run but for petes sake, be honest to the fans, it’s a business and they really did not see any Cup coming to Montreal.
      I assure you the Molsons will sell the team with their value slowly depleting in the next couple of years and it will be another rough ride for the owner(s) to bring a Championship team to this once proud city.

      “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

  31. HabFanSince72 says:

    The Caps are turning into sellers apparently, and one UFA they might move is Dennis Wideman.

    I wonder if we could get him cheap and extend him.

    He is 28 and having his best season ever. On pace for 50 pts. Rarely injured.


    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

  32. manu07 says:

    I think some of the talent needs to be shipped. Lol. My opinion. But opinions are like ass holes, everybody has one!

    • Stev.R says:

      I think its not so much getting rid of players as it is having the players we have play the roles they should.

      Pleks is a great player and absolutely capable of playing on the number one line, but we use him his awesome defence and then expect him to put up 80 points at the same time. He can only really do one or the other. This is why I think we need to get a naturally offensive centerman (Grigorenko, Galcheyuk) to compliment Pleks. Pleks’ point total would probably go down but then he could focus on being a shutdown center on our second line. Right now we have DD as our top line center because he is the most pure offensive center we have, but he isn’t really the ideal centerman. If we drop Gomez’s contract that will free up enough money to get that star centerman.

      I also think guys like Bourque and Kos are terrific thrid line players that can help out in scoring. The problem is now, especially with Gio out, they are being force to provide more offence, which they aren’t. If we could bring in another top six scorer, it would alleviate some pressure from them.

      Pacioretty – Star Center – Cole
      Scoring winger – Pleks – Gio
      Kos – Eller – Bourque
      Moen – White – Blunden
      Geoffrion

  33. manu07 says:

    I think if we can trade ak or plecks for a 1st and have 2 number 1’s. And Moen or campoli for 2nd and third that would be great for the Habs. Personally, to move people for Carter in Montreal. I think he’s a head case. And in this market and in this city he will party non stop, to many distractions. Really hope PG just stocks up on picks this deadline.

    • Habsman1970 says:

      I agree 100%. We don’t need to focus on brining in talent, rather instead drafting for talent . Buying talent didn’t work a few years ago and it’s not going to work

      ONCE A HAB, FOREVER A HAB!!!

      • shiram says:

        Shipping out the talent that’s alread here is not gonna help either.

        • Stev.R says:

          Bringing in talent a couple years ago was a way to keep the fans happy somewhat while the rebuild started. We ave been in a rebuild for two years now and we are just starting to see the proof of this. 8 guys in our lineup are in their first or second full season (not including Leblanc, Blunden, Palushaj, Engvist, St Denis), and we have a handful of really solid prospects.

          Cammy, Gomez, Gill, Gionta, Spacek were all band aids until the young guys developed. Everyone seems to want to tear this team down to nothing and then start rebuilding, where PG has shown that you don’t to sacrifice playoffs (not every year at least), in order to rebuild.

          Our team for the future will be built around Price, Subban, Pacioretty, Eller, Emelin, White, Diaz, Desharnais, Pleks and our prospects Gallagher, Beaulieu, Tinordi, Bournival, Ellis, Leblanc, and Holland.

  34. Timo says:

    Not that I miss him but just wondering – whatever happened to Bugs?

  35. Habsman1970 says:

    I have probably missed this in one of the threads, but I will ask. Other than the 2nd we got for Gill, what are our 1st, 2nd and 3rd picks this season? Meaning, do we have any, all, some?

    ONCE A HAB, FOREVER A HAB!!!

  36. manu07 says:

    http://puckbandits.com/category/rumerz/

    Not sure why I read this site ( puckbandits). All bull crap trade rumors. But who knows maybe one will turn out to be true. Hopefully it’s the one involving the devils interested in Kaberle.

  37. HabinBurlington says:

    So in the upcoming draft perhaps the most intriguing player to watch will be Alex Galchenyuk. My question is twofold,
    1. How far down the draft will he fall due to his knee injury
    2. How early would you pick him.

    If somehow Montreal managed to get a 2nd 1st Round pick this year, wouldn’t this be tempting to possibly get a franchise player with that 2nd pick? Or will he not fall far enough to get mid round. It will be interesting.

    • Rad says:

      Any team that picks Galchenyuk for sure will do a detailed medical examination. That being said, I don’t see him falling below 7th or 8th. This is the guy that was rated #1 overall at one point before he got injured. He will be this year’s version of Jared Cowen, who was once projected top 3 before his injury, which caused him to drop to 9th overall where the Sens grabbed him. All indications are that Cowen is going to be a mainstay on the Ottawa blue line for a long time to come.

      • Cardiac says:

        Brett Connolly too. He missed the whole season of his draft year and slipped from third (behind Hall and Seguin) down to sixth and it was still a surprise he was drafted that high.

        “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
        – Jerry Maguire

  38. habs_54321 says:

    can you imagine if we didn’t trade our 1st and 2nd round picks for alex tanguay a few years back just to not resign him and drafted john carlson & jared staal instead?

  39. blu_blanc_rouge says:

    The Columbus Dispatch confirmed that a Montreal scout took in yesterday’s 6-1 home loss to the Chicago Blackhawks.
    It has been widely reported that the Habs are interested in disgruntled Blue Jackets forward Jeff Carter, while the club remains very interested in center Derick Brassard.
    Brassard, however, is no longer believed to be available, whereas Carter is expected to be dealt before the Feb. 27 trade deadline.
    Meanwhile, the Canadiens continue to entertain offers for forward Andrei Kostitsyn and defenseman Chris Campoli, among others.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      yeah that was on the fourth period. I wouldn’t put much stock in it though. I would imagine there were a lot of scouts there. Montreal might have even been looking at Vermette who just got moved.

  40. gwebster says:

    Does Plekanec have a future in Montreal?

    The answer can be found in my new Habs blog.
    http://hab-eascorpus.blogspot.com/

  41. Kooch7800 says:

    Well Vermette only got a second round pick….I guess that is what we could expect for AK then? pretty comparable numbers

    • otter649 says:

      2nd-5th-prospect goalie ? (ex-Flame)……

    • Cardiac says:

      Different style player. Vermette’s more of a defensive playmaker. AK’s a former 1st round pick, top 6 winger with a scoring touch.

      “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
      – Jerry Maguire

      • Kooch7800 says:

        They are different I give you that but their offensive production is not far apart and Vermette has actually had a couple really strong seasons offensively with having a 65 point season.

        Are we overrating what AK brings?

        • Cardiac says:

          I think that year he was centering Nash…

          Perhaps we are making AK out to be better than he really is. It wouldn’t be the first time we’ve put an ordinary player on a pedestal.

          “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
          – Jerry Maguire

  42. krob1000 says:

    Looking at the UFA lists for this eyar and then next eyar…I find it very interesting that so many stars contracts end next year. I know many will sign over the course of the year and just be extended but I think many teams also prepared for the amnesty clause and agents knew it and negotiated for that extra year knowing they could be paid but still move on elsewhere if things did not work out. I find it no coincidence that tehre are not many contracts ending this year…why would an agent do that? Why would at eam either? they do not know the cap and rules going forward….ths is a strange season and unfortunaely it coincides with our likely need to fil some holes but trades will be available at the draft and things always change…going to be an interesting few months even without playoff hockey.

  43. What’s the matter Hardhabits? I write the word Karma and Go Habs Go and you’re reply is what was that?

    HardHabits
    February 22, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    Dude. My Karma is running over you Dogma. See you next summit.

    Now you want to have beers and laugh?

    You said something stupid with a the intent of a threat and now you are back tracking into beers and a laugh.

    Man, you got an ego so big, it’s a wonder you can get through doors.

    Yeah we’ll all see you at the Summit, but do we want to?

    hmmmm popcorn

    Shane Oliver
    http://www.Sholi2000.com Inc.
    Custom Sports Figures
    Brandon, MB,Canada
    R7B 2R7
    hockey@sholi2000.com
    Ph- 204 724 8418

    • Propwash says:

      Apparently, those who support the team through thick and thin are called “idiots” amongst other niceties.

      _____________________________
      Don’t let the wultures getcha.

      • Yep, he’s a real winner. But hey at least I have to earn his respect :lol: My favourite was when he called my new life finger painting or and this one rocks. “I can skate faster than you fat man”. That was a freakin classic! :lol:

        They Call Me Shane

      • krob1000 says:

        …and apparently anyone who has been preparing themselves to accept reality and realizes the team is not playoff bound is called an “idiot” amongst other niceties. We all hoped for the best…even HH when things went well. It works both ways people…we are all Hab fans…some don’t care who is wearing the jersey and cheer no matter what, some are fickle, some are downright negative even when the times do not warrant it, so what??? we all come here to discuss the Habs…HH is no worse than those who immediately turn on a player the instant he is dealt to another club…everyone is entitled to their opinion and debate is what makes this place fun…the name calling..both ways is what ruins it at times.

        • HardHabits says:

          I try to keep it civil and generally do but if you look at it objectively, which propwash doesn’t, you’d see that I am attacked far more often then I use the word Idiot. By a far margin and with much worse invective.

          • Propwash says:

            Look, I don’t recall getting personal against you. My opinion differs from yours, that’s all. I convey my thoughts much better by speaking rather than typing through a keyboard, if I ever did personally attack you, I apologize, and my judgement was clouded.

            _____________________________
            Don’t let the wultures getcha.

          • HardHabits says:

            @prop: I don’t take it personally. Except maybe when a few here get too personal for my liking. The day that I called people idiots was after somebody called me a dummy. Two wrongs don’t make a right and I am not defending my actions in that case. I was wrong to say it that way even if somebody else initiated it.

    • HardHabits says:

      There was no threat neither implied or intended. It was a play on words, karma = car and dogma = dog.

      See you at the next summit is what it is. It’s more of statement affirming that I stand by my convictions and am willing to present myself in person to extol their virtues. If you think that is a threat than that is your problem.

      The thing that makes me laugh is that when you met me you thought I was going to be some 7 foot monster with a chest wider than last summer’s fish story.

      Sorry to have disappointed you.

      I did try once to apologize for attacking you in defence of Chris but you chose to rather hold a grudge. Good on you. If you want to be a person who is unapologetic, self righteous and incapable of admitting his own flawed thinking then so be it.

      • krob1000 says:

        HH…sheesh..I go and defend you to some extent and you go on replying personally at him..both of you just drop it please…this is an interesting time of year..one of the few times our endless trade scenarios and pipe dreams have a chance of coming to fruition…. let’s stick to hockey can we? Josh Gorges would want you guys to focus on the task at hand and show some discipline ….forget class the consensus is that Hab fans don’t have to have any of that stuff lol…

  44. The Cat says:

    Id like to read in the paper that Dale Hunter gave a ‘tune up’ to Ovechkin. Ive no idea why theyre tolerating him as a captain. Worse choice ever for captain.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  45. gK_HabsFan says:

    I think the Habs are gonna hold on to AK46 until something materializes with Nash or Carter. At the Deadline, if teams lose out on these guys, they might be willing to offer a little more to improve.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      The Blue Jackets are currently holding up the market…I agree. This happens every year though, plan a and plan b. The thing is most of the real impact trades actually happen well before the trade deadline

  46. Strummer says:

    Trade Gomez for a 25-dose of flu vaccine.

    Edit- Why couldn’t they just Vaccinate the players in the first place?

    ______________________________________________________
    “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”
    -Dennis Miller

  47. smiler2729 says:

    Vermette to Phoenix… I’d have taken him here

    __________________________________
    Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are pukes.

  48. Chuck says:

    By the way, Ribeiro’s still a tool. just stating the obvious.

    • smiler2729 says:

      Total tool, weasel, arrogant a-hole, embarrassment… embellishes his 1st star selection in our own barn… who’ll make him pay next time? Nobody.

      __________________________________
      Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are pukes.

    • Mattyleg says:

      Did you see the cringeworthy encounter with his Grade 10 French teacher on Hockey 360 yesterday before the game?

      Awwwkwaaaaaard…..

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • third generation haber says:

      Very true! What’s more important than winning? Playing with pride. There’s only one Montreal Canadiens! Ribeiro was an embarassment when he played with us and despite his talent for scoring from the perimiter, he has never had the heart to compete for pucks or sacrifice for the team. Brendan Morrow is the reason this punk can still walk.

      j.p. murray

  49. HardHabits
    February 22, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    Dude. My Karma is running over you Dogma. See you next summit.

    Shane Oliver
    http://www.Sholi2000.com Inc.
    Custom Sports Figures
    Brandon, MB,Canada
    R7B 2R7
    hockey@sholi2000.com
    Ph- 204 724 8418

  50. BeachHabFan says:

    watching minny play on the weekend i am actually starting to believe that they or someone else on the bubble with cap space would take on Gomez (for a case of vicks nyquil and a crate of oranges) in order to get some veteran presence down the stretch; then they buy him out at year end (or whatever else the new CBA allows, such as shuttling them and their contracts to Sri Lanka). Same applies for kaberle – if you are in and have a bit of cap space, why not pad your d-line with a guy who puts up points (even if he has fallen well off his peak).

    other than those 2 scenarios, if i was a GM I don’t think anybody save for Moen, Cole, Georges, Bourque (for grit, supposedly) or Patches would be on my shopping list, and how many of them are really available anyway (well, within reason)?

    • The Cat says:

      Put it out of your head, nobody wants Gomez. Take Ribeiro for example, he doesnt score but he makes his wingers produce- like Ryder this year. Gomez doesnt do that and he makes 2 million more.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

      • BeachHabFan says:

        i dunno – even CBJ might be willing to eat his contract (along with AK, perhaps) in return for taking the carter albatross off their hands

        • boonie says:

          Time to think Alba instead of albatross where Gomez is concerned. Vermette is an albatross, $3.7m with 3 years left, 40 point guy and they got a second rounder for him.

  51. Bripro says:

    I FIGURED IT OUT! (Relax Bri…..don’t scream)..sorry!

    HH suffers from the McFly disease!

    • HardHabits says:

      If my parents have that kiss under the thingy that Chuck mentioned I’ll be back next season as the ultimate goodie two shoes Habinest supporting gushing over the goodness of the team wanting them to make the play-offs cheerleader ever.

  52. Mattyleg says:

    Do you think it is important to trade like for like?
    For instance, what about trading AK for an effective bruiser?
    I know that people will probably rail at this idea, but I maintain that players like S. Thornton, C. Neil, S. Ott, etc etc, who are big physical presences and can also play competitive minutes are increasingly hard to come by.
    Players like Kostytsin, however, are becoming more and more commonplace in today’s NHL. Getting a big impact player for a mid-range scorer can be seen, therefore, as a kind of upgrade… Especially with ‘skill’ players like Leblanc, Palushaj (who, btw, PJ LaughingStock last night called “Palushadge”) and Eller coming up.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  53. Bripro says:

    Here’s a sampling of my texts to my Hab-viewing buddies.
    We’re usually the 3 together, but this time my son and I took in the Bell center:

    – 10 rows up, to Price’s left
    – Campoli really sucks in person
    – Emelin’s first shot at 8 min. mark (standing O)
    – Shots 11-2 (after 11 minutes)
    – Behind the scenes, Ryder plays dirty.
    – Gomez and kaberle really suck
    – The only two always skating so far are DD and Bourque
    – (1st intermission) #3 on the timbits is faster than Gill
    – We’re surrounded by idiots! Some drunk just spilled beer down Mat’s neck
    – If the man to my left elbows my ribs again, you’re gonna see WWF instead of hockey. Stay tuned
    – I prefer my recliner
    – Bourque’s a machine, but can’t catch the puck (waits for pass that never comes)
    – (received text that the dog misses me) I wish he was here. I’d sick him on a few
    – I wish the guy to my left didn’t weigh 250 lbs
    – They suck (1st goal in NHL against the Habs again – how many times has that happened?)
    – The boo-birds are out
    – They wait until 10 min mark of 3rd to play. RC has to stop giving them V5s late in afternoon

    Lotsa fun.


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