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The Canadiens return to practice in  Brossard Monday afternoon.
Their quest for a playoff spot resumes Tuesday night, when the Buffalo Sabres visit the Bell Centre.

Montreal journalist Heather Engel was in Ottawa for the All-Star festivities and kindly sent us some Carey Price audio. Follow Heather on Twitter at @engelheather.

Red Fisher: What now for the Canadiens?

Dave Stubbs on an All-Star game shutout

Jack Todd on Tim Thomas

Bruce Arthur on looming uncertainty

•  Habs tickets no longer hot items

Will Devils leave New Jersey?

And a Monday morning pick-me-up:

213 Comments

  1. GPFS Franchise, Inc. has been approved by California Department of Corporations to start the sale of Plumbing Franchises.

  2. Jack Todd is just dissing Tim Thomas because Thomas is white.

    http://www.puckbandits.com

  3. habs17 says:

    i think every1 needs to forget about MR. Markov he’s done probley forever

    I support Scott Gomez

  4. habs17 says:

    if we can string together 4 in a row we’ll be right back in it these games are HUGE this week

    I support Scott Gomez

  5. habaddict_andy says:

    Anybody know what’s going on with Ryan White? Was he not ready to come back soon?

    Or is he a package in the making?

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  6. Funny, for months on end I would come to this site multiple times a day to see if JM had been fired yet.

    Then, for months on end I have been coming to the site multiple times a day to see if PG has been fired yet.

    Today I’ve been on the site 15 times to see if Jack Fraud has been fired yet.

    Forbidden

    You don’t have permission to access /wp-content/cache/supercache/www.hockeyinsideout.com/news/a-win-that-slipped-away/index.html on this server.

  7. Michael says:

    I must disagree with Jack Todd’s scathing criticism of Thomas. Yes, Thomas is a moron for being a Glenn Beck fan and a Tea Partier. Yes, racism might be an issue (tough to conclude confidently that it is or isn’t but remember this goalie celebrated his game 7 win over the Habs by calling PK Subban a “travesty to the game” for diving – something Thomas does as often as anyone in the league). But was he wrong to snub Obama? Hell no.

    I am not, by any stretch of the imagination, a right-winger, which is why I despise the President, whose time in office has been marked by pathetic subservience to Wall Street, the health insurance industry and the military-industrial complex. It’s ironic that “Obamacare” earned him the title of socialist in so many circles because it was actually a de facto subsidization of the health insurance industry that will come at the expense of the proletariat.

    And we can’t blame Congress for all of Obama’s mistakes. Many of his blunders have been entirely of his own choosing. It took Obama two years to exceed the number of undocumented immigrants deported by the Bush administration. The crusade against whistleblowers (people who violate confidentiality agreements in order to report crime – hopefully no one needs a reminder that there is no such thing as a contract that can legally bind someone to condone criminal behaviour) by his Justice Department makes Richard Nixon look like Julian Assange. Worst of all, Obama has personally approved the “extra-judicial” (Doublespeak for “illegal”) assassinations (by robots) of approximately over 2,000 people without producing evidence of guilt or criminal charges. That is called mass murder.

    Would Thomas have skipped the dinner for Clinton? Impossible to say, but I imagine he would have. Would he have skipped it for a Republican? I would guess not, because for all the Tea Party claims of non-partisanship, these people slept through 8 years of record deficits and financial malfeasance that far exceeds those of the Obama administration without complaint. The thing is, we don’t know what Thomas would have done in those situations. All we know is that he passed on a dinner invitation from one of the world’s most prolific criminals even though he knew it would draw significant criticism. For that, I applaud him.

    • G-Man says:

      Wow, is this the wrong site for political stuff. Thanks, Todd, for ruining today’s thread.

    • Habtastic says:

      1) As was mentioned in another column, he didn’t have to publicly snub him, that’s very pre-school. He could have actually gotten a chance to voice his displeasure in person and discuss it with the guy/monster he thinks is in charge. Tea party people just rant and shout, so civil debate is out the window I guess. And yes, I DO think he could have had some alone time with Obama (5 mins) and also made the statement that he doesn’t agree with the administration so that being in the picture doesn’t get him booted from his nutcase paranoia support groups.

      2) “one of the world’s most prolific criminals ” . you might not be right wing, but you’re QUITE out of touch. I suggest you revise your understanding of all the regulatory bills that were put forth and exactly HOW they got rejected. Obama has been pro-business, but he has not been stuffing his coffers just to help the banks. It’s far more complex. Anyway, the criminal part, that’s coming out of the republican bubble.

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      • Michael says:

        I actually never referred to the regulatory bills that were rejected, which I certainly understand is Congress’ fault (but while we’re on the topic, there is a very good reason Wall Street has, to date, contributed more to Obama’s 2012 campaign bid than to all other candidates combined). But Obama’s Justice Department is his own prerogative. Prosecuting whistleblowers in defence of corporate criminals is his own policy. Also, his personal approval of the drone strike program that assassinates people without production of evidence has nothing to do with Congress. That is his own personal decision. You attempted to refute something I never said. It’s difficult to imagine that you actually read my entire post, when you conclude that I was referring to financial regulatory policies when I called him one of the world’s most prolific criminals. As for the Republican bubble? I pay no mind to such nonsense. I don’t even read news coverage produced by the corporate media, let alone give half a thought to partisan propaganada.

        Perhaps, in your eyes, people like myself, Amy Goodman, Glenn Greenwald, Naomi Klein, Noam Chomsky, et cetera are just “out of touch” slaves to Republican talking points.

        As for your first point, it is difficult to express just how ludicrous that sounds. There is nothing pre-school about distancing one’s self from a murderer. If Charles Manson (who, incidentally, has ordered about 0.0015% the number of murders that Barack Obama has) invited me to dinner, I would not show up for a photo and tell him what I think, I would just not go. For some very silly reason, many people think that if a person is elected President of the United States, then suddenly the law no longer applies to her/him and that commission of some of the most abhorrent crimes possible does not disqualify her/him from respectability.

  8. habs17 says:

    gomez has played very good since coming back I support Scott Gomez

    • Kooch7800 says:

      that is true…you support him with any merchandise and tickets etc cause he is getting his fair share!

      All joking aside he is playing better since he is back but they cannot afford to have him on the roster next year. 7 mill cap hit and he can’t make 40 points….not good enough

      • habs17 says:

        yes i also support him by shovelling his driveway for him

      • SmartDog says:

        It’s weird how much praise Gomez is getting for not outright sucking.

        For him “playing better” doesn’t take much…in those six games he has 0 Goals, 3 Assists, and is a +/- 0. Not exactly “impressive” for a top 6 player, let alone a guy in his situation.

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        • Kooch7800 says:

          I will take his three assists in 3 games over 4 assists in 16 games. Let’s face facts, he isn’t a top 6 forward anymore and hasn’t been for the last couple years.
          He won’t be a hab after this season cause of his cap hit and lack of production. I would like to see him end off on a higher note with some points so some bottom level team may actually consider picking him up off our roster.

          I wonder if the rangers would trade him straight up for McDonugh…lol

    • LA Loyalist says:

      that bum Grabovski scored 5 points last WEEK – actually, in two games. He has probably scored more than Gomez has in the past year.

      Gomez is expensive and useless. What cogent factual argument can you possibly make that he is anything more?

      This team will not turn the corner until every vestige of the Bob “The Builder” blow up is gone.

      Repent. The Tanque ™ is nigh!!!

      P.S. His mom supports him too.

      • habs17 says:

        we are a better team with scott in the lineup

      • G-Man says:

        How about we wait until those pesky 8 points are made up. Look at the Oilers right now with all their great draft picks. They suck wind. The Habs aren’t so bad. But, of course, a little hyperbole goes a long way.

      • slychard says:

        I wrote a screenplay titled THE LAST VESTIGE few years ago (no really, I did) Sent it in to several writing contests. It went nowhere, just like Bob’s theory of speed over brawn in the post lock-out was well intended but unfortunately, as we all know, the NHL and the bruins did not comply. It’s back to the drawing board for the Habs.

        How do you make these tiny trademark letters?

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      • adamhabsalex says:

        which team was the last team to tank and then win a cup?

        I can only think of the Penguins losing on purpose to get someone as good as Mario Lemieux and even then they didn’t do much until they traded for guys like Coffey, Trottier, Francis, Samuellson, Tocchet, Murphy, Mullen …

        I guess I just don’t understand advocating tanking when there is so little past history to say it would gaurantee anything … if anything, there is so much proof to substantiate that drafting 18 year olds is a crap shoot and that goes for every scouting department in the league, not only the Habs’

        Membership since 1970

  9. Bripro says:

    Kudos to @Mattyleg for his condensed french lessons below.
    You forgot the very first word learned though.
    Tabarn….!
    Mais tu te fou de ma gueule, quoi? ;)

  10. ClutchNGrab says:

    So for those wondering what happen with Jack Todd’s article. It has been edited. In the original text Todd wrote:
    “What’s worse, you know Thomas would not have done this with the liberal Democrat Bill Clinton in the White House. Truth is, he felt free to dis Barack Obama, because Obama is black”
    But that was edited out. Our friends from the south caught the story.

    http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/29/controversial-columnist-plays-controversial-race-card-after-tim-thomas-controversy/

  11. JayK-47 says:

    Know what no one talks about? How all these troubles are caused by S. Gomez’s adopting of the no. 11. We need a ritualistic cleansing, a sacrifice of a rookie, and the casting of a haunted contract into a live volcano.

    THAT’S how we get it back.

    • LA Loyalist says:

      I have wanted to mention that for months, but was afraid I would be vilified here on HIO (I mean more than usual).

      The bad part is that BGL is gone, he probably knows some good Voodoo from his Haitian grandmother or something, and he could have performed the ceremony.

      Isn’t there a volcano on top of Mount Royal?

  12. christophor says:

    If I’m Pierre, I’m calling Ken Holland and offering Moen and Gill for Tomas Jurco.

    It seems a little unrealistic at first but Detroit is looking for someone exactly like Moen and they’ve mentioned they want size on D too (Hal isn’t physical but no one’s messing with him or whoever he’s paired with). Also, Detroit’s PK is only 22nd. Travis and Hal would give it a major shot in the arm; they’re both on the the first wave of the most successful unit in the league.

    • Rad says:

      Makes sense to me. I like Jurco, and wished we could have found a way of drafting him last year. Another draftee I really like is Brandon Saad, who had a great training camp in Chicago. Chicago also looking for some help going into the playoffs.

      • christophor says:

        I’ve been thinking the Habs should target Jurco, Saad, or Jensen. See who will listen out of Detroit, Chicago, and Vancouver.

        Chicago could also use PK help, if I’m not mistaken, so pit these two in a bidding war and see who bites.

    • Stuck_in_To. says:

      Is he that good because according to Hockey Futures he plays RW and RW is pretty well covered prospect-wise?

      • christophor says:

        Well-covered by prospects with low ceilings. Jurco is immediately the top RW prospect.

        Edit: LW would be nice but you can’t be picky about that. Most prospects don’t turn out so you go for talent, regardless of which wing they play.

  13. The Cat says:

    Todd is right about Thomas having industrial grade gravel between the ears. And what was his problem not letting Alfredsson score!

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  14. Bripro says:

    ESPN are throwing complimentary crumbs to the Habs, in this week’s power rankings:

    http://espn.go.com/nhl/powerrankings/_/season/2012/week/18

  15. Say Ash says:

    Did the Gazette pull the “dis Barack” part off its web site? Can’t find it.

  16. ont fan says:

    Tim Gleeson signed for 4 yrs.with Hurricanes

  17. Kooch7800 says:

    I wonder what it would take to get Tuomo Ruutu out of Carolina. Nice grit and can post some goals. Him and bourque on a line together with Pleks centering would be nice.

    Bourque-Pleks-Ruutu
    Cole-DD-Max P
    Moen-Eller-AK
    Blunden-Gomez (for Now)-White

    Gio will be back next year and could take a spot with Eller and AK if Moen is gone or AK’s spot if he is gone.

    Ruutu shouldn’t cost too much and he is decent. It would make our roster a heck of a lot bigger

    • habs03 says:

      Would love Ruutu on our team, but no point to trade assets for a UFA. I think we should make a big push for him July 1st, Offer around 4/16M, he would be great.

      Bourque-Plek-Gio
      Patches-DD-Cole
      Rutuu-Eller-AK

      • shiram says:

        He seems very similar to AK46, similar size and similar point production.
        I’d rather they settle AK first and afterwards go after this guy.
        Does Ruutu still play center?

        • habs03 says:

          I think we’ll have enough money to sign someone like Ruutu and adding a top 4 Dmen, along with resigning all our key guys, so cap won’t be an issue. But ya, he can play both wings and can play Centre, I think he is better as a wing, good along the broads, throws hits, but he can fill in at C.

      • J_P says:

        Agree about not trading for him. Seeing as the odds of making the playoffs are terrible right now, habs should definitely be sellers.

        I am weary about signing him in free agency though. Can’t help but think that a team like detroit would give him a look, and to keep him away from a team like detroit we would probably have to overpay considerably. If we can get him for the right price, I am all for it.

      • Kooch7800 says:

        I see what you are saying about not trading assests which I agree with. I was just thinking if they could nab him now and negotiate before free agency. I see him most likely going to a contender though.

        One can dream

      • Kooch7800 says:

        I would like to see Pleks with some big guys on his wings. I think it would make some nice room for him to make plays. He is a good playmaker but has been stuck with some hurting wingers this year. Cammy and gio had off years.

    • ont fan says:

      Heard on a Detroit station Ruutu was going to the Rangers or Detroit and soon.

  18. shiram says:

    Politics again? Bah Humbug.

    • SmartDog says:

      Jack Todd makes us look bad. He makes it look like our reporters are as stupid and biased as the Bruins hacks. What a complete maroon.

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    • HabsFan1111 says:

      Did not read Jock Turd’s article, but this one gives me a good idea what was in it, thanks for posting. The Gazette should be embarrassed.

    • Chuck says:

      Jack Todd needs to realize that he doesn’t need to try to make Boston/the Bruins/Tim Thomas/their cretin fans/the Boston media/ look like idiots; they don a fine job of that on their own.

    • Jim Edson says:

      No Toad fan whatsoever but NESN the employer of Jack Edwards criticizing the veracity of anything uttered by a non-Goon hack?

      Case of the pot calling the kettle black!

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      In short, a league commissioner is the action man for the Board of Governors.

      They tell him what they want done and he works to make it happen through his subordinates while making sure that individual franchises play by the rules.

      ******** Translated if you haven’t won the Stanley Cup in 40 years your NHL team is becoming irrelevant in a sports mad city long behind MLB, NFL and NBA teams, you just tell the commissioner(who you gave a new contract at 7 plus million per) to make it happen and the rules are bent sufficiently to action the command.

  19. lenny says:

    Jack Todd is the last person to criticize Thomas for his political stance and actions…What do you call a draft dodger that runs to Canada and hides from his responsibility?
    Calling someone a racist is without proof is disgusting. The Gazette has already tried damage control by not printing his exact words, as he wrote them a day earlier.
    I hope Thomas and the bruins slap Todd and the Gazette with a huge lawsuit….

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      “What do you call a draft dodger?”

      They called George W Bush “Commander-in -Chief”.


      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

      • Old Bald Bird says:

        Perfect. Beautiful.

      • arcosenate says:

        Exactly, George W. Bush keeping Texas safe from the Viet Cong air force isn’t exactly a heroic act in itself.

        • Mr. Biter says:

          It’s funny only Republican presidents have to go to actual combat. I know Obama had a unblemished Military record and Clinton’s only combat action was chasing Intern”s around the White House, then surviving the wrath of Hillary. I believe (and I could be wrong) but Bush Sr. and JFK were the last presidents to actually see combat duty.

          Mr. Biter

          • arcosenate says:

            Nobody said they had to go to actual combat, but having Daddy pull strings to make sure you don’t go to combat while every poor kid does isn’t a very heroic act now is it?

          • G-Man says:

            For an answer to your “active duty” question, check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States_by_military_service

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            I’m not sure about funny, but what is definitely sad is the way the Republicans with the vile Karl Rove in the lead savaged John Kerry for his military record while George W. Bush’s record has gaping holes in it.

            President Bush Sr. and President Kennedy both served their country admirably, as did Senator McCain and others I do not know about. That Mr. Kerry was deprived of this esteem by criminal smear tactics is shameful and deplorable and says a whole lot more about the Republican Party and the W. Bush cabal than it does about the Senator from Massachussets.

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        • drivefor25 says:

          Bush was keeping Texas safe from the Oklahoma Air Force, not the Viet Cong :)

          Fan since ’71

      • Jim Edson says:

        Correction, believe Toad wasn’t a draft dodger he was a deserter!

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        What does the Commissioner of the NHL do?

        In short, a league commissioner is the action man for the Board of Governors.

        They tell him what they want done and he works to make it happen through his subordinates while making sure that individual franchises play by the rules.

        ******** Translated if you haven’t won the Stanley Cup in 40 years your NHL team is becoming irrelevant in a sports mad city long behind MLB, NFL and NBA teams, you just tell the commissioner(who you gave a new contract at 7 plus million per) to make it happen and the rules are bent sufficiently to action the command.

    • RD says:

      Perhaps this can be the final offense to get that lame and tired MMQB column pulled. Sure, I think Tim’s political opinions are stupid, but I don’t know what Tim’s motivations are and whether he is a racist or not. Jack’s race baiting crosses a line for me and I hope it carries some consequences.

      btw, Jack was already enlisted so he wasn’t a draft dodger. He was a deserter. I’ve never had to carry a gun for my country in south east asia so I don’t judge Jack for his decision there. I have a problem with his writing.

      BTW, why did the Gazette even allow this to get published. Sure, it was just the online version but the editor needs to take some heat too.

    • What was the line that the Gazette changed btw?

      http://www.puckbandits.com

    • ross says:

      I long ago stopped clicking on the ‘Jack Todd’ links on HIO, when I realized they were filled with wild nonsense, vitriol, and stupidity. People complain about Donald S., and rightfully so, but I would read his words before Todd’s any day.

      I haven’t clicked on the article you mentioned specifically, but Thomas is a racist now for not going to the White House? Yeah, that seems about par for the Toddian course, and re-affirms my dedication to not giving his articles any click-through traffic.

    • twilighthours says:

      Had I read the Todd article, I’d probably be just as upset as you. I stopped reading him a long time ago, though. It’s amazing that he still gets paid to write.

    • dh says:

      It’s getting really annoying with “journalists” printing “facts” that are just hyperbole and innuendo. Bad enough with Francois Gagnon’s “reading between the lines” article, but this is slanderous in my opinion. I don’t really agree with Thomas and I’m almost always against anything from the Bruins, but Todd is out of line. If he has some proof of Thomas being a rascist, he needs to come up with that now or he needs to be unemployed.

  20. MiltonHab says:

    This no news on Markov thing is just not acceptable!

    • He’s done for the year. there’s your news.

      http://www.puckbandits.com

    • J_P says:

      Hes not coming back this season, and whats not acceptable is that once again the habs didnt do their proper due dilligence on key personel decision.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        How do you know whether they did or didn’t do their due diligence on a key personnel decision? What you mean, instead, is that they did their due diligence, made a decision based on the information available, and it did not turn out for them.

        To baldly state that they didn’t do their homework, consult their doctors and physios and signed Mr. Markov on a whim is ridiculous. You can disagree with the decision and yell “I told you so” if you want, but don’t mangle the facts.

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    • RGM says:

      Would it be acceptable to you if they fabricated information?

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  21. According to Capgeek.com the Habs have a little over 11M. Lets say Andre Markov & Brian Gionta are done for this season? Who would you like to see added to this team going forward? Who should the Habs trade to get a big centre and defencemen? What would it take to get Ryan Getzlaf & Bobby Ryan? How about Tomas Plekanec, Michael Bournival, Brendan Gallagher, Aaron Palushaj and 1st in 2012 & 2013? Lines would look like this perhaps? Might need some tweaking……

    1st line – Bourque – Getzlaf – Ryan

    2nd line – Pacioretty – Deharnais – Cole

    3rd line – Gomez – Eller – A. Kostitsyn

    4th line – Moen – White – Blunden

    Darche – Nokelainen – Campoli to Hamilton or trade bait

    • HabsFan1111 says:

      What do we do when Gio and Markov (if ever) come back?

    • mrhabby says:

      there is no way the ducks would do that deal..sending two star players to one team for.
      1. a solid 2 way player in pleks.
      2. bounival, gallagher, palushaj are unknowns.
      3. 1st round pics in 12,13 are interesting.
      4. iam quite sure the discussion would have to be around subban, tinordi, leblanc, etc,etc.
      5. how do we fit them into our cap.

      • Assuming Gionta and Markov are done for this season? Next year Habs puts Gomez in Hamilton at 7,357,143 m of the Cap. Gill, Darche, Campoli will be gone and that will free up another 4.7 M. That’s how it will fit under the Cap. ADD Louis Leblanc & Nathan Beaulieu to the mix.

        1st line – Bourque –3,333,333m – Getzlaf – 5.325m – Ryan – 5.1m

        2nd line – Pacioretty – 1.625M – Deharnais – 850,000 – Cole – 4.5M

        3rd line –A. Kostitsyn – UFA – Eller – RFA – Gionta – 5m

        4th line – Moen – UFA – White – RFA – Blunden – RFA

        Forwards totalling – 25,733,333m

        Remainder should be able to resigned around 8m for a total of 34m. Will do the D shortly.

        • mrhabby says:

          i just cannot see them putting gomer in hamilton but who knows.

          nice breakdown.

          • ABHabsfan says:

            traded to the QC Coyotes

          • Here’s the Habs D in salary…….

            Markov – 5.75m

            Kaberle – 4.25m

            Gorges – 3.9m

            Weber – 850,000

            Emelin – RFA – 1.25m

            Diaz – RFA – 1.25m

            Subban – RFA – 4m for 6 yrs

            D totalling 14,750,000 m. ADD 6.5 M for RFA’s. Cap total = 21m.

            Goalies:

            Budaj – 1.15m

            Price – RFA – 5 – 6m for 7 yrs

            That leaves a million or two in Cap Space for next season.

    • Malreg says:

      That package MIGHT be enough to get ONE of those two players… And even then it’s doubtful.

    • J_P says:

      I too got caught up in the whole anaheim sweepstakes when bob murray boldly proclaimed that everyone on his team was available, but clearly he was just pushing buttons. Players like getzlaf are so rare to come by, that they will certainly be impossible to replace once traded. I can see anaheim trading Ryan to secure some depth, draft picks and prospects. However, he would be another case of overpaying. You know Brian Burke will throw everything at acquiring bobby ryan if he becomes available, and even though the habs have more assets than the leafs to make the deal, the price would certainly be too high IMO.

  22. The Dude says:

    Floppa Redneck probably voted for jr Bush and helped bring down the World .Just imagine how many babies died and are going to die just from that one move and belief !Timmey,you don’t have a say anymore so just play Hockey and Stfu!

  23. Strummer says:

    If i’ve been correctly intertpreting the medical updates so far,

    Markov’s back tomorrow night? Right?

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    • Kooch7800 says:

      LOL Nice. I don’t even think he is skating yet. I would agree it would be nice to get an actual update. Since we dont’ have one I can only assume it isn’t good

      • Strummer says:

        They keep moving the timeline- like Charley Brown’s football.

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        • Kooch7800 says:

          I agree. They should just say he is out for the season and if he comes back early it would look better. I think PG has some egg on his face from that signing. He took a gamble and lost so far

          • Mr. Biter says:

            Dr Baddanoff again. No ,No Habs Fans. Markov back next week. Guaranteed. I personally assured the Goat Markov would be back in Florida beginning his rehab. next week. I told him with ice (in vodka) not on ice. Misunderstanding between Russian and French. Also stupid assistant Natashia (now on vacation in Siberia) show Goat picture of some old hockey player (Orr’s)? knee and say it looks like Markov’s. Have to call paramedics. Never see man turn red so fast and grab at heart and yell something about fireing. There was no fire any where near pool. I think Goat need vacation with Natashia.

            Mr. Biter

  24. avatar_58 says:

    Regarding Moen – I like the guy and if they can sign him cheap, do it now. Decide before the deadline whether they want to keep him next year +.

    I say either a 2 year deal or trade for picks/youth. DO NOT hold on to the guy if you aren’t going to sign him right away.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      We need Moen for his grit and toughness. White could take his place i guess but I am not sure white has the same PK abilities.

      On the dogs they seem to be trying to groom Schultz into a PK guy. Maybe in a year or so he will be a fourth liner? who knows

    • BeeGee says:

      +1. He’s got lots of value now because of the number of goals he scored this year… I doubt you’ll get him for a reasonable price. He knows this is probably his last contract… Gonna go for it I’d think…

    • RD says:

      Moen is a keeper.
      We’ve let too many grit type players get away. Ok, I agree with letting Kostopolosefights go but we need some grinders.

      • Mr. Biter says:

        Agree with BeeGee, we need Moen but this is his year to get his biggest and prehaps last contract so he will not come all that cheap and with RD that we need him. The Goat’s gonna have more grey hairs if he’s around.

        Mr. Biter

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Travis Moen should be traded because he is so valuable. Imagine what other teams would give up for a guy having the kind of season he’s having. What would the Canucks, for example, give up for a guy who adds character, toughness and Stanley Cup experience to their lineup?

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  25. habs17 says:

    I support tim thomas all he did waas give his opinion like evry1 does on this website

  26. habs17 says:

    keep your head up kid what a great movie what a man don cherry thanks don cherry

  27. RockinRey says:

    Who the ^%$ is Jack Todd to call Thomas a cretin? This is coming from a writer that made the ultimate political statement.

    This may have been a ‘team’ function but i dont see the point in meeting a President from either Repulican or Democrat background that doesn’t know the relevance of the sport and in all likelihood never watched one of the Stanley Cup Final games.

    Thomas had the courage of his convictions even if he didn’t articulate them very well. This is the Liberal media making a big stink, but you can be sure that if someone more left wing minded decided to take the same stand against a Republican Pres he would be applauded. Plain and simple.

    Re : The Habs do we want them to squeak into the playoffs to give us a round of excitement? I say sell off some of the pieces that wont be here in a years time. Its obvious that Hall Gill and a few others have been marginalized. I would rather see a GM with a plan to make the Habs dominant for years to come rather than hoping against all hope for them to make the playoffs every year.

    • ZepFan2 says:

      “This may have been a ‘team’ function but i dont see the point in meeting a President from either Repulican or Democrat background that doesn’t know the relevance of the sport and in all likelihood never watched one of the Stanley Cup Final games.”

      Precisely the point he should have gone. The NHL is trying to sell the sport in America. This was a good chance for the NHL and the Bruins to do so. Except Thomas is better than the NHL and better than his TEAM, at least that’s what he thinks. There’s no ‘I’ in TEAM.

      It was a selfish and classless move. IMO

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    • ross says:

      Both the media and reality have a well-known liberal bias.

  28. Matt_in_TO says:

    So the Gazette edits out Jack Todd playing the race card but leaves in the part about Clinton which would still imply that Thomas’s snub was racially motivated. When is Todd going to be given his pink slip?

    – In Price We Trust

  29. BeeGee says:

    Also according to Lebrun, Jeff Carter is available in Columbus… would you take a chance on this guy with the all the injuries and the fact he’s on the first season of an 11-year, $58-million contract? (cap hit $5.27 million).

    • Mattyleg says:

      No.
      We got rid of one problem attitude in the dressing room, we don’t need another.
      Carter is the reason the Flyers couldn’t succeed when they should have. He polarized the dressing room, and the team could never really come together.

      As for T-Mo, we should definitely keep him.
      And ‘sources’ talking about Gauthier is so much wind in a bag. I could tell you that Gauthier isn’t ready to sell yet, with plenty of games left to play, and the team finally starting to come together under their new coach. Does that make me a ‘source’?

      Beh.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • BeeGee says:

        I’d tend to think Lebrun means GM’s when he says sources… one of the few good guys in the business.

        I wasn’t aware Carter was such a problem in the room. What are your sources ; ) Indeed, if that’s the case, you don’t want that. The term and injury history would be enough of a deterrent for me in any case…

        As for Moen, I’d try and sign him to an extension now… if he doesn’t sign and the playoff picture is not drastically changed come the deadline, I’d rather get something for him than see him leave in July.

        • Mattyleg says:

          I don’t have anything against Lebrun or anyone else, but I don’t think that they would be talking to him necessarily, and I think that anyone can figure out that Gauthier isn’t in the selling mood just yet. I’m always suspicious of ‘sources’, because they seem to be used to simply add a kind of believability or ‘newsworthiness’ to a hypothesis.

          I’m one of the first to say that fans aren’t in the dressing rooms and shouldn’t comment on those things, so in that sense, I’m a giant hypocrite. But I’ve heard it from enough different ‘sources’ ;) to believe it to a certain extent. Added to the fact that the Flyers traded him away, and now Columbus wants to get rid of him… there’s got to be something wrong with that dude.

          I agree about Moener. Do it!!

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • BeeGee says:

            Alright man… for a guy who hasn’t slept, you make some pretty convincing arguments… don’t worry it gets better btw. Have 3 kids.. they do grow up at some point.

          • Mattyleg says:

            Haha!
            Thanks man.
            I’ll stay the course.
            I consider this training for the others we’re hoping to have!

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • G-Man says:

          Burkie’s got his twit, um, twitter address. I find it more and more annoying that Toronto-based media personnel like The Brown (and it should go down)are trying to tell the Habs how to run things. They should be advising Burkie on how to stop the laffs’ freefall.

          • ffenliv says:

            I don’t have any great love for Burke (nor do I have the bizarre hatred that people here have), but I’m not sure we should be telling of Leafs fans/management.

            In the last few years we went on a lucky run to the 3rd round, barely qualified for the playoffs (regardless of how ‘close’ we came to beating the Bruins last year), and are now mired in a really, really bad spot.

            The leafs, on the other hand, have improved, and I don’t think they’ll be finishing as low this year as in some of the earlier Burke years.

            At best the teams are, in my opinion, basically even in terms of good/bad management moves and good/bad contracts.

      • sims says:

        Richards was the issue. More specifically Richards vs Pronger and Richards vs Coach.

        Carters issue is that he has become a bandaid

        • HabinBurlington says:

          I have it from a Coach in Jr. Hockey here in Ontario that Richards and Carter together were complete party animals in Philly. That created the problem with Pronger, as he is consumate pro when it comes to being ready for practises and games. Richards and Carter would come into practises straight from bars and parties and it was more than Beer/alcohol.

          Richards could still bring it every game, Carter couldn’t.

          Perhaps Carter has matured, but the Contract alone is a huge gamble, never mind the potential head case.

          I would like to see Carter go to Toronto and poison their locker room for 10 years.

    • RockinRey says:

      No . Get a GM who is fiscally responsible. Look up Duhatcheks article on the weekend re: teams not getting any value at all regarding Stars and the Salaries they are paid. So many players over the 7 mil threshold did not even make it to the All Star game. For that price i would rather have players the Habs can control. RFA’s where the Habs can ante up but dont have to pay through the nose.

    • avatar_58 says:

      F that noise

    • Kooch7800 says:

      Hi contract is too long and DD is more physical than Carter. He is a floater

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      “Also according to Lebrun, Jeff Carter is available …”

      Lebrun is the guy who said PK was available. When asked for evidence he said … well actually everyone he spoke to said he wasn’t available, but one GM wishes he was.


      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      No. Too much for too long. Having the cap space he eats up is more beneficial than his potential contribution.

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  30. BeeGee says:

    Pierre Lebrun writes the following: “…Habs winger Travis Moen is garnering some interest around the league. He’s an unrestricted free agent on July 1 and would be a decent rental pickup for a contender looking for a bit more of a physical presence on their third line. Vancouver and Detroit are among several teams that have an eye on him, although one NHL source told ESPN.com that Montreal GM Pierre Gauthier is telling teams he’s not ready to sell yet. The Canadiens play eight of their next 12 games at home and the word is Gauthier wants to see if his team can make a run before pulling the plug”.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      give it another couple losses and we will become sellers very quickly. I would rather resign Moen for a couple seasons than get a 4th round pick for him. We need his toughness in the line up and he is great on the PK.

      • SteverenO says:

        I like Moen, and would be happy if he ended his career in the Habs uniform. The fact is, however, that he is not that great on the PK

        Moen has played 111 minutes with the man DISadvantage this season. The Opponents have scored 10 PP goals while Moen has been on the ice. An average of one goal scored for every 11 minutes of PK time.
        Lets compare;

        Gionta: 64 minutes 2 GA average 32 mins per PP goal allowed
        Darche: 71 minutes 3 GA = average 24 mins per PP goal allowed
        Nokilainen 52 minutes 3 GA – average 18 mins per PP GA
        Plekanec: 142 minutes 8 GA – average of 18 mins per GA
        MOEN: 111 minutes 10 GA- average of 11 minutes per GA
        Bourque: 60 minutes 6 goals – average 10 mins per GA
        Lars Eller: 70 ,imutes 8 goals – average of 9 minutes per GA

        Interesting fact; Desharnais 25 minutes of PK duty – Zero gioals scored against

        The averages for our Defensemen?

        Diaz: 29 minutes per PP GA
        Subban: 19 Minutes per PP GA
        Gill: 17 Minutes per PP GA
        Gorges: 14 Minutes per PP GA
        Emelin : 8 Minutes per PP GA

        Steve O.

        Id like to see ( hear?) a line of Cosby, Stall , and Nash , one day.

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          Interesting stats. Regarding Mr. Moen, is it possible that because he routinely faces the first wave of the powerplay, he faces better opposition and his average would be lower? I notice Tomas Plekanec isn’t at the top of this list either, and he also is on the first shift.

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          • SteverenO says:

            Your point MAY be valid. I do not have access to statistics that would indicate whether more goals are scored in the first wave versus subsequent waves.

            Personally, I don`t believe that that it would make a huge difference, as often times there are multiple changes during a single penalty kill.

            The stats have to be looked at with a grain of salt though as the sample size is not large. In other words the penalty killers sometimes doa great job and a soft goal goes in, or the puck hits a defenceman in the arse and bounces into the net. If this happens once or twice the numbers change dramatically. I have also lumped all short handed situations together, not differentiating for 5 on 3`s and 4 on 3`s.

            That being said somethings are irrefutable. Lars Eller is NOT nearly as effective as Plekanec on the penalty kill., AND SCOTT GOMEZ SHOULD NEVER BE ON THE POWER PLAY!

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  31. HabinBurlington says:

    Will there be an All Star “Hangover” for many of the players who participated in Ottawa? If so will this be an advantage for the Habs to only have had 1 goalie in attendance? I honestly wonder about the Senators coming out of this weekend. Alfredson and company had quite a weekend. Seemed to me that besides Lucic ragdolling Komisarek, the All Star game was the worst thing for his career, as it seemed after that he actually believed he had soft hands. Seemed to stop playing like the old Komo (more Ludwig like) and instead thought he could emulate his partner Markov.

    • Mattyleg says:

      It’s hard to say, but it’s a good question.
      I don’t even know who was there, but it’s usually the youngsters (not necessarily the Rookie Stars (orwhateverthehellthey’recalled)), but the ones who have a year or so under their belt that let “being an All Star” go to their heads.

      I can’t see Rafa getting too juiced about it, and Carey seems to have approached it with the suitable ironic disposition, but I wonder about other team’s players. Who might be vulnerable to letting this kind of thing go to their heads?

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Kooch7800 says:

      Komo used to be my fav hab and then Lucic tuned him and he forgot how to play his style….Then he signed with the Leafs and he has been crap ever since.

  32. HABZZZ says:

    I would like to commend Hockey inside / out and also the Gazette for being one of the Classy sports blogs for all fans from coast to coast. being born in Montreal in Lachine I am one huge Habs fan and remember going to the old and new forum to see my favored team. Living in Vancouver and driving around with a plate that says HABZZ on it has given me grief but Posting on TSN’s Your Call has been the worst experience I have ever had. You have to sit there as a fan and read about how we as fans all suck and our team is useless and the posters from the Toronto area as well as Bruins fans are all allowed to run us into the mud. But should you respond to their rants the TSN police come in (Moderators) and nothing you write will ever be posted.I have posted the cleanest responces to some of the lies that have been posted but nothing comes up after hours of waiting. While fans of other teams call us ever name in the book and they are getting posts through every five or ten minutes. So being out west I thought of the time delay being a problem but that wasn’t it. I am a Habs fan and that is why this garbage all goes on. They incite fans from Toronto to get this started and then block the rest. Proof to all of this was this post that I tried that was up in less then five minutes “If I were the Toronto GM I wouldn,t change a thing they are playoff bound” This is the same TSN that wants to expand into your market with TSN2 for the Montreal games. Please read the article from a gentleman named Allan Baylis and I think he says it all.

    http://EzineArticles.com/6468686

    • Mattyleg says:

      Yeah, I can imagine that’s annoying.
      I have a simple remedy for this:
      I don’t watch TSN. Or CBC.
      I stick to RDS.
      I know that’s not possible for everyone, so for those who are forced to watch those silly excuses for sports stations, my only advice is to laaaaaaugh. Not always easy, but it gets me by.
      Good luck, mate.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • CalgaryHab says:

        I’ve been watching the Habs for years on RDS and I can’t count to 10 in french.

        • Mattyleg says:

          It’s easy:
          Eurn, deur, twah, kat, sank, seese, set, weet, noof, deese!

          And “encore un manque de synchronisme sur le jeu de puissance, et l’opposition compte un but en désadvantage numérique.”

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • :lol:

            I was thinkng the same thing.

            Born and raised in PEI. I had to take 12 years of french, and in the end that’s how I sound Matty :lol:

            I grew up beween and english town and a french town. I played baseball with the french and hockey with the english.

            When I joined the infantry, they laughed at my accent because I would put both lanuages together for fun. :lol:

            Funny though. The english soldiers thought it was funny, and the french soldiers thought I was insulting them.

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          • slychard says:

            You spelled 3 wrong, it’s twat, Hi no, hi’m French.

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          • Un Canadien errant says:

            Mattyleg, I LOL’ed out loud. Good stuff.

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    • G-Man says:

      I don’t participate in TSN’s nor RDS’ moron fest they call commentary. They are Maple Laff and Gooincentric. Therefore, they aren’t worth your time.
      The only thing I read on TSN that’s consistent is the “C’mon Ref” blog. The rest is drivel, excepting when they announce a trade.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I always have had the impression there is a 24 year old dropout smoking bongs wearing a Leafs Jersey doing the moderating at TSN, and his mother is a Bruins fan.

  33. Mattyleg says:

    Mornin’ tout le monde!
    Kid was up crying all night, so it’s zombieland for Mattyleg today…
    Glad I missed the All-Star nonsense. What a pile of nonsense.
    I am also glad I’ll be missing Jack Todd’s “article” nonsense. What a pile of nonsense.

    Looking forward to this week. I can’t wait to see our boys back in form. I much prefer coming back from a 7-2 drubbing of the top team in the NHL with our boys thinking “Let’s have a bit more of that, shall we,” rather than a loss, and saying “Okay, time to turn things around.”

    This’ll be sweet.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  34. D Mex says:

    Jack Todd’s column on Tim Thomas must be a zinger : the HIO link is on a timeout but there are plenty of comments about the article online.

    ALWAYS Habs –
    D Mex

  35. HabinBurlington says:

    So with nothing, absolutely nothing on the TV last night I watched the first half of the Cherry CBC Infomercial Movie/Biography.

    No wonder this guy is angry and bitter.

    Have to say, his wife Rose did appear to be a level headed Saint.

    • G-Man says:

      I would rather have been struck repeatedly on the head with a ball peen hammer than watch that. If JM is considered a loser for having never won a Cup, what the bleep is Cherry besides the inventor of the fruit suit?

    • smiler2729 says:

      Wait ’til you see part 2, you really can’t blame him for hating the Habs, they crushed his and his family’s dreams season after season…

      ___________________________________
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    • Habsman1970 says:

      yeah, I saw this coming so just recorded the AS game and watched it last night starting at 7:30 so I could get my fix. :)

      ONCE A HAB, FOREVER A HAB!!!

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      I actually thought it was a fascinating portrait of a complex man.

      The way they tied his gay porn addiction to his love of man on man hockey violence was very well done.


      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        LOL, what I found most curious was the movie shows his disdain for how Eddie Shore and the AHL teams treated injuries and players who were injured. Yet weekly he gets on his soapbox and has almost zero compassion for players injured with Concussions. He is proud of players for playing through pain liked blocked shots.

        Just so much hyprocrisy with this guy. But intriguing story.

    • Strummer says:

      Did they explain his penchant for dressing like an Oscar Wilde-era dandy? or his proclivity for kissing hockey players(i.e. Gilmour) on the lips and referring to fallen troops as “beautiful boys”?

      ______________________________________________________
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  36. DorvalTony says:

    Sol calls PK selfish. BS, he’s 22, it’s called “immature.” He’s going to be a great one, have a Valium old curmudgeon.

    http://ourhistory.canadiens.com/player/John-Ferguson

  37. With The Leafs losing three of their next four, and the Devils going on a 5 game losing streak, the Habs will be 2 points from 8th next week and 4 points from 7th after Florida wins one of the next four.

    Of course the Canadiens could lose the next four games and automatically become sellers at 27 Feb, but I want to make the playoffs, and I want to face Boston with this TEAM.

    Just make the playoffs and see where it goes.

    This Just In.

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    • habsperspective says:

      Dude, optimism is great, but its not realistic.

      Regardless of 5 of the last 6 points. I remember that game against Washington almost two weeks ago. Where they had lost the night before on home ice, against the Islanders 3-0. Shutout. Habs were rested, and got shutout themselves. They didnt show up.

      Yes this team has talent, yes its got potential. But with the hole there in, this team does not have the confidence, nor the commitment to play evry remaining game, which is what they would need to pull off the playoffs this season.

      Plus, Buffalo is the start of the week. And if theres a team that will want this win even more, or needs this win even more its them.

      I suspect a flat Habs, a standing on his head Miller, and a hungover Price.

    • chanchilla says:

      i think we can win enough games, problem being that we have to rely on other teams to lose!

  38. stevieray says:

    We finished strong before the all star break . I think 3 -1-2 . We beat teams in front of us ..so I’m hoping things continue . Buffalo is a got start since they appear to be a fragile team .. never thought I’d say that about a Ruff coached team . A lot of underachievers and Miller has not been his best lately….
    time to pounce boys !!

  39. PrimeTime says:

    33 games to play and the goal should be to be a harder team to play against. There will be changes before next season so let’s get a glimpse of what the future might look like. Unlike many here, and pretty much all of the most media, I would give the trading deadline the last opportunity for PG to show he has one in MTL. If he can shed 2 or 3 players that are not part of the most recent rebuild without giving up “prospects” to get hard working players, then it is a good direction. Habs will still lose 15 -20 games this year because the D needs won’t be any better……but sure would be nice to to see Marky back if the risk is minimal. Still will need an offseason signing to get an experienced and productive Dman to be better and lead our future guys…PK, Diaz, Emelin. I’m confident that the rest of this season will be easier to swallow (could it be worse?) as the style of play up front has been improved from the JM era. I’m not sure who will be Coaching next season but I hope the North-South style will be maintained with continued upgrade of players who can play it well.
    If PG can accomplish these things before next season then we can leave this year behind us and look forward.

    • nickster13 says:

      too few games to make up 10 points, like you said, lets focus on next year and being a good team.

      • Well the players and coaches won’t change anything, they will be focused on winning. The only one that may change focus is the GM.

        http://www.puckbandits.com

      • Have you seen the three teams ahead of the Canadiens and who they are playing? Trust me, in this conference the Canadiens can still move into 7th or 8th. Very weak in the bottom.

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        • nunacanadien says:

          As long as Cunneyworth stops dressing seven defensemen. Perhaps he did that to get the team used to him. But honestly you can’t dress seven defensemen for the rest of the season without being put to task for it by the fans and the media. Cunneyworth may be falling on his sword, but hey Cunneyworth, you can still salvage the season and your good name, cause if you can get the Habs into the playoffs after Jacques Martin horrible defense minded coaching, then Cunneyworth could write a blank check to coach anywhere…..so stop dressing seven defensmen Cunneyworth.

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            Dressing seven defencemen is a bad idea if it means a useful forward has to sit out. We don’t have that problem. We could probably dress eight defencemen and our lineup would be improved.

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  40. Marc10 says:

    Easily my favorite Hab memory… and the textbook definition of what separates ‘great’ from ‘legend’.

  41. G-Man says:

    Now that the silliness is over and done with for another year, back to hockey. 8 points out and hope is either growing or fading depending upon your point of view. The last 33 should be interesting, at the least.

  42. What’s the update on all Habs injuried players? Who’s coming back after All-Star break and who’s not? Would like to know how much longer is Andre Markov is going to be out for? Thanks

    Remembered that goal and still talk to my buddies of this day. When was the last time Habs had a player of his stature? Noone has since IMHO. Lafleur was Lafleur and did it all when Guy stepped on the ice. Guy!!! Guy!!! Guy!!! Guy!!! Guy!!! Guy!!! Those were the glory days and always like listened to games on the radio when not on TV. Oh the memories are still fresh in my minded today.

    Go Habs Go!!!

  43. HardHabits says:

    The OT goal was sweeter.


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