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The Canadiens return to practice in Brossard Tuesday morning.
They are still in 11th place, but Carolina won Monday night and has moved up to 12th.
The Sabres have slipped down to last.
Oh, and there was a spot of bother involving Tim Thomas …

We at Hockey Inside/Out do not share Thomas’s political views. (If we did, there would be more canned food and guns at HIO headquarters.) But we are vigorous defenders of free speech. And you have to respect a pro athlete – or anyone – who thinks principles are more important than PR.

The weight of tradition

Ken Dryden’s mission

Trade P.K.? | François Gagnon weighs in

Thomas snubs Obama | Kevin Paul Dupont weighs in | Great column by Joe Haggerty

Jaro finally loses to hot Wings

Ovechkin gets three games

And a great NFB short on hockey:

349 Comments

  1. roady says:

    So, poor little Alexie doesn’t want to go to the all-star game because he doesn’t think he deserves to be there since he is a suspended player who doesn’t believe he should be a suspended player, who likes to play a physical game and who doesn’t think his hit was illegal and therefore not a suspendible hit. Al…take a look at the replay of what you figure was a legal hit. You left your feet & launched yourself into the player along the boards and elbowed him to the head. Even if they didn’t call you for charging it was still a boarding call you ass. Whether you like it or not Al, the fans, many of them young kids who adore you and voted for you to be on the team will be disappointed that your sorry ass isn’t in Ottawa.If Bettman had any balls he suspend you again for refusing to go to the “Classic”, (not by my standards). You have an obligation to be there Al, people are paying big money to buy your stuff buddy and just because you got your hands slapped with a suspension that is more than warranted, (I’d have given you 10 games for the dirt you pulled against Michalek)…that was a very dirty gutless hit that deserved more than 3 lousy games. You are a prima donna who has gotten to big for your britches. The player’s have figured out your one and only move and you just aren’t effective anymore Al. Maybe you should take your head out of your ass and look in the mirror bud…your luster has been lost and now you just want to stay home to be with your mommy and daddy and sulk….you pussy.

    take your drink to the end of the bar buddy…come on now, don’t be a fool…

  2. HABZ24 says:

    tradition is not being passed on this season. gauthier needs to get replaced. give up on this season the holes too deep. get tid of any player under 6 foot. need to rebuild with size and talent

    • SmartDog says:

      Yes, except that it’s GOOD to have a couple of short players. One or two small guys (say Gionta and DD, or DD and Gallagher) are good. Small guys turn really quickly, and can make big defenders fall over themselves. Having only bigger guys let’s the opposing D play one way – the combination is tougher to defend against (with more big than small obviously… we’ve tried the other way, the size is needed).

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  3. HabinBurlington says:

    Well I just heard Butch Goring on the radio here in GTA, and was reminded of why he was one of my favourite non Hab players of all times. (Aside from the fact is from Winnipeg, okay technically St. Boniface)

    He was talking about the Islanders and said that Garth Snow is doing a good job getting the team back in order after Mike Milbury sent the franchise back Light Years!.

    Love it Butch, Love it!

  4. LafleurFan says:

    Old News Flash: In 1993, Stephan Lebeau was our 4th leading goal-scorer with 31; in 2001 our leading goal-scorer was Sergei Zholtok (R.I.P.) with 26.

    “May you live in interesting times.”

  5. Hobie Hansen says:

    Trading Plekeanec: You’d have to say that is a big NO! But on second thought, maybe and Eller and Desharnais are ready to go 1-2 on this team? If a team offered a 1st round pick and a good young player, maybe I’d do it. Plus if the Habs buy Gomez out or whatever they chose to do this summer, they could sign another player, eventually.

    I think Eller has 20 plus goals in him next year and Desharnais works very well with Pacioretty and Cole.

    If someone offers something big for Plekanec I think you’d have to think about it.

    • shiram says:

      Not much to drool at on the UFA centers though.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        Ya, that’s why i said eventually…

        As much as it would suck, especially for guys like Cole and Bourque, I’m tempted to have a yard sale and write next season off.

        Then make a splash in the UFA market the following summer and start inserting guys like Gallagher, Tinordi and Beaulieu into the lineup as well.

        • shiram says:

          “I’m tempted to have a yard sale and write next season off. ”

          But you are not Pierre Gauthier, right??

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            Correct.

            If by some miracle he gets rid of and replaces Gomez and also strengthens the defense, we could be a playoff team next year.

            But like you said, the UFA market is weak.

          • PEC Hab says:

            Trading Pleks for anything but an equivalent player is nuts. Take a look at some highish picks the Habs and every other team has made in the last 20 years and see how many are better than Pleks. Everyone cherry picks out the Giroux’s and forgets the David Fischers. First round picks other than the first five or so are crap shoots at best, and sometimes even top five are shaky propositions. If he was not signed longer term and didn’t want to sign, then maybe, but he is signed and controlled, and seems to fit in on the team. In hockey a bird in the hand seems to be worth five in the bush.

          • shiram says:

            Hehehe

            I am fairly certain Gomez will dealt in some ways.
            Markov coming back and playing well would help out alot, and have a trickle down effect on all the other D.
            I think with just one more solid stay at home D they could have a decent corps.

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            So you wouldn’t trade Plekanec for a good young player and a 1st round pick, considering we aren’t going to make the playoffs this season and probably next?

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            U right about the defense Shiram. Hopefully Markov returns by next season and has some sort of an impact.
            But they absolutely have to sign a beast of a stay-at-home defenseman. Preferably one who isn’t afraid of his own shadow like Gill.

          • LA Loyalist says:

            Yeah, and you’re not either.

            So lay off the high school debating club rhetoric and bring an actual argument.

        • Furk says:

          I think we saw the result of making a splash in the UFA market after the centennial year debacle (which included a first round sweep from the Bruins).

          We have a good structure in place, we’re one big centre, and one big stay at home defenseman away from being a good team.

          Size does matter! The Habs are a living example of that.

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            Just because Gainey signed three Smurfs doesn’t mean it will turn into a debacle this time around.

          • Furk says:

            True, but UFA signings are over-rated. The price tag of every player is inflated due to every team making a bid. I like the notion of going after one player that fits your needs like we did with Cole. Trying to make a “splash” is not wise.

            Like I mentioned, we have a good core, with the need for one big centre (who we can trade for), and a big stay at home defenseman (who we can sign as a UFA).

            Size does matter! The Habs are a living example of that.

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            Who is going to trade a us a #1 center?

    • Habfan10912 says:

      I think either DD or Pleks might need to go if we are going to get bigger at center. I would love to keep both but Pleks is one of our better/attractive assets.

    • RetroMikey says:

      Desharnais is so underrated on our team but in my opinion is the most offensively skillful player on our team, keep him!
      Plekanec is so overrated and I would trade him in a heartbeat.
      If PG was smart enough along with Bobby on our side, now is the time to tank and ship out players that other teams need and want while we get prospects and draft picks in return which we can “rebuild” on and not “retool”.
      The season has long been over and now is the time to do things which we had opportunities before but we were too conservative.
      Let’s do it PG!

      “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

    • roady says:

      MAYBE Desharnais and Eller are ready !By the looks of things they are more than ready given the chance to play. Desharnais & Eller have already surpassed Plekanec on a skill level. DD is only a second year player who went undrafted and is better than 14 any day of the week. Eller,also only in his second full season has proved to be better now that they have given him the go ahead to play an offensive game. Plekanec is not the second coming of anyone, he has never been a standout player in any area, the penalty kill is his strong suit and he aint’ that good there either. He is overrated bigtime in my opinion. The media has built this guy into something he is not. What he is, is soft as baby’s butt, has no guts, not a great skater or goal scorer, and couldn’t win an important face off if his life depended on it…he aint’ that good. I would unload Mr. Tomas in a heartbeat for a draft pick or package him off with that sad Russian who wears #46 and always seems to be in a contract year and who never comes thru in the crunch anyway. Both of these elite…ha players stink in the playoffs as well. We may as well get something for one or both while we can because …well lets face it, they aren’t gettin’ any better…unload them for picks and build for the future and good riddance to ‘em…

      take your drink to the end of the bar buddy…come on now, don’t be a fool…

    • fastfreddy says:

      Plkanecs has a no trade contract clause. Gauthier gave him that. I’d be okay with that if we were talking about Crosby, ovechkin, stamkos, sedins, buT we’re talking about Plekanecs?!?!?! How does he deserve a no trade clause?

    • SmartDog says:

      LEAVE PLEKY ALONE!!! I MEAN IT!!!!
      LEEAAAVVVEE HIM ALLLOONNEEEE!!!

      Seriously, we’d be f-d without him, people don’t know how much. He’s the kind of center every team needs and few have.

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  6. 24moreCups says:

    This a tweet from Michael Moore,

    “MMFlint Michael Moore
    Tim Thomas & I went to the same high school. I can tell u this: People in Flint LOVE Obama, desperately need Obama, & DETEST Thomas’ actions.”

  7. Vladdy Mondavi says:

    Did anybody else see our man Kaberle rubbing elbows with Obama?
    I guess the Habs let him go, seeing as it was a day off. Who would have paid his airfare? Habs? Bruins? Personal expense?

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  8. Habfan10912 says:

    Reports say that Ovie will NOT play at the All Star Game. Does anyone know if this means an additional vacation day for him and he will not be available for the Habs game?

  9. smiler2729 says:

    L’Affaire P.K.:
    Play him all the time, play him through his mistakes, play him, play him, play him.
    He was best with Gill and with Hal having Father Time asking for his hockey gear, there is no savvy veteran dman to mentor the kid.
    When Robinson came up, he had Savard, when Chelios came up, he had Robinson and so on…

    L’Affaire Timmy:
    He’s a ball-hockey goalie on skates, he’s a Bruin, ’nuff said.

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    Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are pukes.

  10. Furk says:

    Ovie being a baby and skipping out on the All-Star game.

    Size does matter! The Habs are a living example of that.

  11. roady says:

    And not a concussion to be had in the NFB clip…not hard to see why Big Jean Beliveau never got concussed, he played with his head up unlike some the unskilled players of today who couldn’t stick handle without looking down at the puck so they don’t lose it …many of the younger members of this site have likely not seen the likes of it, and how could they….they have their heads down…ha !!

    take your drink to the end of the bar buddy…come on now, don’t be a fool…

  12. ssummerm says:

    Does anyone know where the redwings are staying?

    • habfan53 says:

      Most teams stay at the Chateau Champlain.

      to paraphrase Nixon: If the Bruins do it, it is not illegal

      • martin says:

        Also anyone know what time the wings arrive at the bell for the game? My 8 year old nephew would like to try and meet some of them.(poor kid)

        • habfan53 says:

          My suggestion is to go to the hotel , I have run groups to Montreal for games and I found that was the best place to meet the players and get autographs.
          One you can try the lobby, some players walk to the Bell Centre, also some teams will have a bus outside that will take the players the block and 1/2. My understanding is that there is also a corridor under the hotel to the Bell Centre.
          Part of the reason that teams use this hotel is the closenest as well as Serge Savard owns it and has a good rapport with the visiting teams.

          to paraphrase Nixon: If the Bruins do it, it is not illegal

  13. Mattyleg says:

    Hmm, dont’ seem to be able to post anything.
    Let’s take this as a test, shall we?

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  14. SmartDog says:

    REPOST: Posted this early today before TTIO took over. In case there are some who didn’t see it and want to talk HABS.

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    ON THE STATE OF THE HABS GOING FORWARD…
    Arrgghh…! Reading all of this stuff about trading this guy or that guy is driving me nuts. If you’ve seen my posts, you know I’m not the overly optimistic type. But here’s why we shouldn’t trade Subban or Pleks or any of our core (especially young core). (And btw, trading away guys during a down year with a lot of injury problems is a great way to give away good players at a low price.)

    CHILL OUT!
    Yes, this year has been a suckfest. But the team has a lot of very good assets. PG needs to deal ONLY with the BAGGAGE and DEPTH INSTEAD OF trading away good players. If he does that, the Habs could leap to be a contender next year or the year after.

    Here’s why I see reason to be very positive on where we are:

    CENTERS – with Eller and DD emerging this year, and Pleks as one of the league’s premier 2-way guys, we are stronger at center than we’ve been in a long time. When White comes back, we have a 4th good center (though a veteran depth centre and moving White to the wing might be good, the option is there). I admit none of these are a superstar but keep in mind Eller is only 22, was picked 13th overall, and is he’s scored more goals and more points already this year than last. If the flashes he’s showing are real, he’s probably our future big 1st line center. And… with Louis Leblanc (also a 2nd or 3rd line Center) coming up, we’ll have even more options next year here (though Leblanc may be shifted to wing which might be a good idea). The question of who’s going to win face-offs is still up in the air. For my part, why not just get a coach who comes in just to work on that. Easier and cheaper than trading guys for a face-off specialist.

    GOALTENDING – Price is great, let’s not argue about it. Yeah, not his best year but we know what he is, and if handled properly he’ll bounce back when the team is on more stable ground from management on down. Budaj? Don’t know. But there are lots of options. I still think Price would’ve benefited from having a veteran back-up this year to help keep him steady and confident, but that ship has sailed.

    DEFENSE – PG has made a mess of this yes with Markov the big domino knocking over everything else and now too many signings of guys we now need to turf, but with Gorges, Subban (also 22, still a kid and learning), Diaz, and Emelin, we have a VERY strong young core that can make us strong for years. We also have some strong (and big) guys in the pipeline. A Hamrlik type veteran would be good to compliment our young guys…. not many of those around but there are some. But the point is our assets here are very strong, the right veteran or two (Markov if a miracle happens) and another year of seasoning for the rookies could make us very strong here.

    WINGERS – This is our biggest question mark, though we now have a kind of strength we haven’t seen for a long tie in Cole, Patches, and Bourque. Add Gionta to this, Moen (if he stays), and you have a good core. I don’t think the depth players are all the right ones but these guys are more easily shuffled and probably should be. But again, the core is good – better than it has been in a long time.

    SO….WHAT PG NEEDS TO DO:
    First of all – NOT trade ANYONE mentioned above. Don’t even THINK ABOUT IT!!! Even if the fans clamour for it. Even if GM’s from other teams take you out for a great toufu dinner and a night at the Kabuki theatre, don’t be swayed.

    Second of all, he needs to DEAL WITH: (on D) Markov, Kaberle, Campoli, Weber, Gill, and up front Gomez.
    – Markov – if Markov is not a solid contributor by March, this contract needs to be eaten and swallowed and pooped back out where it belongs.
    – Gomez – Ditto.
    – Campoli – gone at the end of the year, trade him by deadline if there are any takers.
    – Kaberle – if Markov is back, this guy MUST go. If Markov isn’t back, this guy still should go if a decent trade can be made.
    – Weber – valuable to someone, not to us. Trade.

    Trades need to be done, for more leadership (veterans) to anchor and teach the young guys, for size and depth. But,,,, when trading – PG should accept only the following:
    a. Prospects who are wingers and have SIZE.
    b. Draft picks.
    c. Strong goalie prospects (for a back-up or for the future)

    PG don’t freak this up. And Habs faithful – chill! We are in better shape than it looks – not for this year but next. All we need is a good French-English-Russian-Chinese speaking coach. Then we’re off to the races.
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    • shiram says:

      Some people around here seem to dislike Plekanec, but the Habs would likely fall apart (moreso) without him, it seems to me he is more valuable than any one player he could get back in a trade.

      Eller shows great promise for what he can become too. Faceoff coach makes alot of sense too, right now Plekanec gets the tough ones, and he is hovering around 50%.

      Budaj has not been as bad as he was made up to be, sure the sample size to evaluate him is small, but he seems to be a capable backup. Price is having a tough year, but that’s general for most of the team, so he suffers from the team’s troubles.

      D is interesting, mostly because of the great youth we have there right now, with Spacek, Hamrlik gone, and Gill likely to be gone come next season it will be key to get a good veteran on the blue line.

      I’ll just just add AK to your wingers comment, who said he would not mind taking under his UFA value to stay in MTL. I’d keep the guy.

      Markov has to play before a decision is made on him, and not just a few games.

      Gomez needs to be gone, but he will most likely finish this season here. New CBA or offseason trade or demotion will take care of it.

      Agree on Campoli, Kaberle and Weber.

      • mike3131 says:

        I disagree re. Plek. He would make a great 2nd line centre, but his offensive production in the last 2 seasons doesn’t cut it for a 1st line centre. I think he needs a Cammy (in playoff mode) or another superstar winger (like Parise) in order to be productive offensively. Otherwise, I wouldn’t mind parting ways with Plek for a Staal or Getzlaf. I also wouldn’t miss him taking offensive zone hooking and high-sticking penalties.

    • jedimyrmidon says:

      Nice post. I like the guys you marked as keepers and agree with pretty much all of them except perhaps Markov who I think should be given a chance even if he doesn’t return this year.

      In my mind, the Habs need to alter the composition of the D as they have too many of the same player. If they can fix that, I think this team is pretty good. I mean, whatever goals they are scoring this year are all pretty much at even strength. If they can somehow recuperate their powerplay from the past few years, this team would be quite good.

    • Furk says:

      I can’t disagree with a single comment. I would still like to see DD gone, he is talented but way too small. He wouldn’t last a playoff series. We need size on centre to complement Patches and Cole, and also to muscle out the puck during key offensive zone face-offs.

      Size does matter! The Habs are a living example of that.

    • G-Man says:

      I still don’t see Eller “emerging.” 19 points in 45 games just isn’t cutting it as a #2. As a #3, Eller is in the right spot.
      How can you say that trades need to be done for more leadership, and then say trade only for a. prospects, b. draft picks and c. Strong goalie prospects. ?
      Markov’s contract will not be eaten. Molson doesn’t “poop” multi-million dollar contracts.
      Kaberle is here for 2 more seasons- when 1/2 the D is too young, he gets to stay.

      • Strummer says:

        Agree on Eller. If you take out his big game his point totals are even less impressive

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    • Vladdy Mondavi says:

      S-Dog,
      The only minor issue with your assessment on dealing all the D is who will fill their skates? Fact of the matter is an NHL team requires at least 8 NHL-calibre defencemen.
      The Habs are barely there now, getting rid of more of them won’t help them on the back end. The organization needs to evaluate how much UFA D are going to cost, or the cost of trading for replacements.

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      • SmartDog says:

        I agree, that’s why I said we need a Hamrlik type. But we have:
        – 3 – good young guys who will only get better (Subban, Emelin, Diaz)
        – 1 – Gorges
        – 1 – Markov/Kaberle (if Marky doesn’t play Kabs will stay)
        So that’s FIVE. We need 2-3 more. We have a couple in the pipeline, plus the Hamrlik-type… and there you go. Maybe we need 2 Hamrlik types (REAL D-men), one on a 1-year contract… but my point is that having a strong young core is an AWESOME thing and you can fill in a couple of veterans to help mentor and to play certain assignments.

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  15. SmartDog says:

    Yesterday was fun.

    But a second “Tim Thomas” day at HIO? I’m sittin this one out.

    (BTW, I tried to get an actual HOCKEY conversation started this morning with a LONG post I wrote on why our situation going forward is very good… that post is well below if you are interested.)

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    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • Les Canayens says:

      That’s what happens in a no-game day.

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      ❝ I can’t really hear what Jeremy says, because I’ve got my two Stanley Cup rings plugging my ears.❞

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      OK Smart Dog –

      Price or Halak?

      Gomez – any opinions?


      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

  16. ccs says:

    Dont worry P.K you will be a member of the Habs longer than Ladouceur or any other Habs Coach/GM stick boy or whoever.

  17. sCOTT1243 says:

    Enough on PK. Still a rookie, he’ll figure it out. Let’s not ruin another good young hockey player in habsland, like we have done to so many before. He’ll make mistake, just like everyone else out there, its part of the game. people and media need to layoff him.

    Ive never seen a club bash their good young talent as much as Montreal does. Subban, Price, Dias, Weber, Eller etc. Tired of the negativity against them…they are not the only issue with this franchise.

    Trade PK article??? Why start this nonsense.

  18. RGM says:

    If someone asks PK about the Ladoceur/PK thing today, he should pull an Iverson.

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  19. Mattyleg says:

    Wow, what an AWESOME film!!
    Check out the curve on Bobby Hull’s stick! Whooooooboy!

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • HabinBurlington says:

      First thing I noticed at 1:20 mark, was the Hull Curve.

      Funny I remember him playing with a full head of hair in Wpg for the Jets, he must have some reverse aging process. :)

  20. Will PK Subban be a healthy scratch tomorrow night? One might think its probable or doubtful for sure!!! Ouch!!!

  21. Les Canayens says:

    Boy I wished it was Obama who snubbed the greet and meet, and posted on his Facebook page later in the day:

    “I believe the National Hockey League has grown out of control, threatening the Rights to Fairplay, Impartial Officiating, and Enjoyment of the Fans. This is being done at the Ownership, Executive, and Players level. This is in direct opposition to the Constitution and the Founding Fathers vision for the Prince of Wales and Clarence Campbell Conferences. Because I believe this, today I exercised my right as a Chief Executive of this country, and did not allow the Boston Bruins to visit the White House. This was not about politics or fanaticism, as in my opinion both parties are responsible for the situation we are in as a second-rate sport in the US. This was about a choice I had to make as an INDIVIDUAL.”

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    ❝ I can’t really hear what Jeremy says, because I’ve got my two Stanley Cup rings plugging my ears.❞

    • pastor_prime says:

      LOLZ!

      Only Gomez knows what being Gomez feels like.

    • mb says:

      Hahaha!
      If only. I can just imagine the scene, it would have been awesome to see!

    • G-Man says:

      Turnabout is fair play. Great post. :D

    • Thomas Le Fan says:

      Since we can’t allow the politics to go away, if Obama was a hockey player, he’d be one that had never scored a goal, never made a save, in fact, one that no one had ever actually seen play but, however, one who talks a good game. He’d be … Scott Gomez!

      • LA Loyalist says:

        that is hilarious. A Muslim Scott Gomez

        • Les Canayens says:

          …who might be born in Mexico.

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          ❝ I can’t really hear what Jeremy says, because I’ve got my two Stanley Cup rings plugging my ears.❞

    • HabinBurlington says:

      My nomination is in for Post of the Day, perhaps Week!

      • Les Canayens says:

        Thanks guys.
        Since this was a tradition that both the championship team AND the President had to attend, but may not necessarily felt like it, I can imagine Obama’s advisers convincing him for months to let the Bruins visit the White House, while his convictions, like us Habs fans, is clearly against the antics of the Bruins and the league who were complicit to them. So he pulls a Tim Thomas.

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        ❝ I can’t really hear what Jeremy says, because I’ve got my two Stanley Cup rings plugging my ears.❞

  22. jyeager11 says:

    For those of you who missed it, the Habs might’ve tipped their hand regarding their plans for the rest of the seasons when they replaced Cammalleri’s likeness on the Bell Centre exterior wall yesterday.

    http://on.fb.me/x5DR6K

  23. ari says:

    I heard on team 990,Subban had a rough time at practice today.any details ?

    • mb says:

      Tweets from practice, for what it’s worth:

      JFChaumont J-F Chaumont
      #Habs: Randy Ladouceur vient de crier après P.K. Subban. Il n’y avait pas d’amour. Il lui a dit de se réveiller.
      (Randy Ladouceur is screaming at PK Subban. There was no love. He told him to wake up.)

      Apparently, the words were: “You’ve been here for 40 minutes:Wake the f*** up.”

      I don’t know what lead to this, though.

    • shiram says:

      From one Tony Marinaro
      Randy Ladouceur apparently said this to Subban :
      You`ve been here for 40 minutes. Wake the **** up”

      Quick everyone, get your panties in a bunch!

    • axxerd says:

      I heard it too. It sickens me that this is ‘news’. This will be the top story on TSN in 10 minutes. “Coach yells at Subban in Practice!!”

      #blamesubban

      —-
      Newfoundland’s biggest Habs fan. Hands down.

    • Ton says:

      I would trade if the right deal come along. i have said many times> he will not be a star in this league. I have the same debate in my house hold> PK is a rock star celebrity status but he does not know the game. He’s a pond player> Martin confirmed this last week. We sometimes tend to misjudge what the criteria is for superstar status in this leaque> its beyond me why he was put into that category from the start. He’s a good 5th or 6th d at best. Comparisons to Robinson, Orr, made me shake my head. Furthermore jury is out on his attitude!!

    • JUST ME says:

      Now Marinaro is such a credible source ! Being so positive all the time it is surprising that he would get such a scoop even more surprising that he would dwell on it ! He is part of the problem not the solution. Stop being so gullable everyone.

  24. Phil C says:

    Tim Thomas has at least succeeded in getting people talking, even knuckle-dragging sports fans like us. ;-)

    Whatever your politics are, there is no denying that there is big trouble brewing in the US. Here is a link to a website which tracks the US National Debt in real time: http://www.usdebtclock.org/
    Their debt is now over $15 Trillion which represents 100% of their GDP. Their debt in 2000 was just around $5 Trillion, so in has almost tripled in 12 years.

    An interesting number to me is that even if they reduced their military spending to $0, they would still be running a 1/2 TRILLION dollar deficit. Their interest on debt is $212 BILLION per year (according to usdebtclock), almost 10 percent of their revenues, and that number is going to get bigger and bigger every year until they end up in a situation like Greece. If a country of only 11 million people can threaten the markets and financial stability of the world, I can’t imagine what will happen if the US continues down this road.

    They have two ways out: increase revenues or cut spending. But it seems that right now, neither option is politically attainable. The cuts required to balance the budget would absolutely cripple their medicare, social security, and the military services. Raising taxes also seems improbable with political movements like the Tea Party actually calling for tax cuts. So it is a political quagmire which, in turn, will cause the debt runaway-train to continue to gather speed.

    What has been the US Government’s response up to now? Print more money!! They give it a fancy name like “Quantitative Easing”, but essentially they are devaluing their currency while accelerating inflation, which could tighten the spiral dive instead of helping them pull out of it.

    I am not sure about TT’s politics, but the US is definitely headed for trouble and hard times, which usually means bad news for Canada. Kind of makes worrying about the antics of a 22-year-old defenseman seem trivial. Now back to that punk, PK!

    • G-Man says:

      There’s a disconnect between the reality of the debt and the taxpayers. Everyone wants government services- they just don’t want to pay for them. Hypocritical and short-sighted? You bet, but that is the US situation these days.
      Revenues MUST be raised.

      • Habfan10912 says:

        I look at it as people being unreasonable. We want all the services as long as we don’t have to pay for them.

        • G-Man says:

          Very true.
          I’m not a chest-thumping patriot, but I do realize that everything costs money. Pretending the government is robbing Peter to pay Paul just won’t cut it anymore.

        • 123456 says:

          agreed. we (US) have too many handout programs. yes we need safety nets but the reality is we are changing to a society where people expect the gov to give them what they need. IMO heading toward socialism and that is not where i want to be.

          • Michael says:

            lmfao! Don’t worry bud, socialism is the LAST thing you guys are headed towards. The only people in the USA who expect the government to give them what they want are the super-rich. When the government exists to serve big business, you are just an apartheid away from fascism.

      • Phil C says:

        Agreed, I see no way out of it that does not involve paying more taxes.

      • Chuck says:

        As far as raising revenue goes, maybe they could hire an ad agency to sell sponsorships on the debt, kind of like on the rink boards at a hockey game. Y’know, “This Trillion Dollars of the U.S National Debt Brought To You By Kellogs”… that sort of thing.

    • PeterStone says:

      ah, my 2nd favorite topic. The inevitable will happen, US will default on the debt, either by 1) just saying screw it, i aint paying you or 2) the most likely scenario, they will monetize their debt, as you are suggesting (QE3) . I am not one to give monetary advice, but personally, I think Gold is the way to go. 5000$ per ounce within 3 or 4 years.

      Having said that, I am still worried about our Dee … funny, the one I am least concerned about is the 22 year old. The broken 30 year old and overpaid 33 year old concern me much more.

    • LA Loyalist says:

      Sigh. Milton Friedman you ain’t, but re your “two ways out, raise revenue or cut spending” — the historically proven (this is what Reagan did) solution is that when taxes are CUT, tax revenues INCREASE because of more economic activity (what economists call “the velocity of money”). The trick is to commensurately ALSO CUT SPENDING, then the additional revenue can be applied to debt.

      The essence of the problem is that Socialists (obama, liberals, Europe 10 years ago) don’t believe in or trust individuals or corporations (which are collections of individuals). They only believe in the State (Big Brother, Dear Leader, whatever). But socialists don’t create anything, so eventually their systems collapse under their own weight.

      That’s all. Vote early, vote often. If Obama gets back in I’m moving to Switzerland.

      • Habitall says:

        Dude, stop making sense. It’s hard to take in these parts!

        You’re 100% right. But there’s another factor. People who say the only way out of this is to raise taxes may not care to admit this (or may just not care), but they’re feeding a cycle of expectations for, and dependency on, a whole host of social services, many of which should be done away with, not maintained in perpetuity. The welfare state in the U.S. has destroyed the same people its proponents meant to help, by making the gov’t the peoples’ sugar daddy. Those expectations NEVER GO AWAY. You just feed the cycle of dependency.

        And as for the debt, let me ask HIO readers this: if you had a house and you were constantly borrowing on your HELOC or credit cards to finance things like unnecessary home renos or vacations, instead of living within your means and paying only what you can afford with cash in hand (or very temporary credit), how likely is it that you’ll ever pay your debts off AND not get into the same kind of debt again? It’s possible, but not likely — human psychology being what it is, we just want more and more. And that’s the problem facing the US gov’t. They’re risking the bankrupcy of future generations because they don’t want to face the reality that cuts to SPENDING are what’s needed.

        • Phil C says:

          Cutting spending is one path to balancing the books. The problem is the magnitude of cuts required. Revenues are $2.6 trillion, spending is $3.6 trillion. I just don’t see cutting 1/3 of all government spending being politically acceptable to most Americans. It is not an easy situation, regardless of your politics.

      • Phil C says:

        “Additional revenue can be applied to the debt”
        Additional revenue? The discussion on paying the debt can’t even begin until the deficit is gone, then you can start talking about how you are going to service the debt, THEN you can talk about debt reduction or tax cuts. If you get to the point where you can barely service your debt, all the Reaganomics in the world won’t help.

      • Michael says:

        That is absolute nonsense. Reagan initially cut taxes huge, by his own admission too much, then spent the rest of his presidency (6 years) raising taxes to finance economic stimulation. Throughout his 8 years, he boosted spending dramatically, tripling the American debt.

        Obama doesn’t trust corporations? That must be the most ludicrous statement I will read all day. The man is a hardcore corporatist. Absolutely everything he has done in office has been for the interests of big business, be it the military-industrial complex, health insurance companies or big finance. He has currently received more campaign contributions from Wall Street for his 2012 bid than every single other candidate combined. Wall Street does not make a habit of bankrolling candidates that don’t believe in corporations.

      • jmsheehy19 says:

        As Michael stated, Reagan actually increased spending. Every single year of his first term (admittedly I can’t remember the numbers regarding his second term and I don’t really have the time to research it at the moment).

        Doesn’t single handedly disprove your theory, I’ve just never understood how that specific myth has been perpetuated.

  25. habsolutely416 says:

    rights and freedom are more important than hockey or pro sports.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY

    ill be in the slot ;)

  26. Ali says:

    Why is everyone so surprised by this whole Thomas thing? The guys a citizen of the country where a third of the population still thinks the President is muslim.

  27. Feraco says:

    For the people who are insulting Thomas:

    Is it really anyones business what this guy believes in? Is it wrong that he trying to perhaps make a statement and saying that he does not agree with the current state of the country? At least he is doing something to voice his opinion, not too many of us would have the guts to do that, we would be so starstruck that we got to meet the president.

    Give me a break, the country is a mess and it’s due to greed and corruption. Don’t fault the guy for his principals, he’s not hurting anyone.

    • shiram says:

      I’m not one to insult Thomas, he certainly has the right to do what he did.
      What bothers me the most is what it does for his team-mates, on a day of celebration for their achievement, he turns it around and puts the focus on him and his agenda.
      He could have taken the time given him to try and engage a discussion with the President if he chose too.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        To be fair, if Thomas was pissing on his teammates’ parade that’s actually something I can applaud.


        Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

      • LA Loyalist says:

        You know what? I support Thomas’ position but I actually agree to your argument that he should have put his team first.

        I remember how angry I was after Habs beat LA for the 93 Cup and Gretzy immediately started whining about retiring (I mean the same day) and here in LA at least that put the Habs victory on the back burner. In fact, I still resent Gretzky to this day for that, so I guess I have to be consistent and support your argument: team first

    • Les Canayens says:

      Except his team.

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    • Ali says:

      Not completely his fault. The organization bungled the entire situation, they had known for weeks he was not going to show, and apparently had been trying to convince him otherwise. Instead of that, they should’ve just put out a statement prior to the day of the damned event so the whole thing wouldve blown over already and the team couldve just enjoyed the day.

      • Les Canayens says:

        LOL that would make it worse due to the Streisand effect. Not only we will talk about it before the visit, we would still be talking about it after the visit just like now.

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      • G-Man says:

        If I were Chiarelli, the event would have been mandatory. There, all fixed. Even if Thomas had to go sit in a corner counting his money from his lucrative hockey career and endorsements.

  28. price365 says:

    Thomas is the smartest one on the team. He did what he stands for and don’t BS people and say some of you wouldn’t do the same to Harper. Now I understand why some of your comments on the Habs don’t make sense.

  29. HABitual Fan says:

    Loved that film! Can you imagine facing Bobby Hull’s slap shot with no mask? The puck was just as hard back then, even if the players were a bit smaller and the game a little slower. I’ve been watching since the early 60’s and although there have always been injuries, the numbers of head injuries now, compared to the days prior to helmets, appear to be astronomical . There’s a toughness factor missing in some corners today, far too much diving and embellishment (of course I have to acknowledge, today we are using much more common sense in addressing the seriousness of brain injury).

    “… better than cheering for the Leafs!”

  30. Chrisadiens says:

    Rene has the flu, but White is practicing with the team. Always good news with bad news.

    Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

  31. G-Man says:

    It must be some sort of time warp. Could be an effect of the G-Men win Sunday, but Shamahan has suspended Ovechkin and Ference. I must be inhabiting Bizarro World or I took a wrong turn and stepped into… The Twilight Zone.

    • joeybarrie says:

      I could be wrong, but I can’t remember a guy getting only 3 games for a 4th offense and after getting 2 games last suspension. Does the 3 game suspension include the all star game?

      There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

      • G-Man says:

        Hopefully not. The All Star Game isn’t a real game.

        • joeybarrie says:

          I was actually just commenting on the fact that Ovechkin is suspended because of an infraction of the rules and thus banned from the next 3 games. Just not the all star game. Kinda nonsense if you ask me.

          There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  32. Chuck says:

    By the way that video is KILLER footage from the final season of the Forum before it was rebuilt. Beliveau, Orr, Howe, Hull… what a great time it was to watch the game.

  33. joeybarrie says:

    You know Mr. Thomas, I understand you have principles. But its a visit to the White House to pay respect to the leader of the society you live in. Read civil disobedience and go live in the forest if you don’t agree. Cause no offense, but by accepting the salary that you do, by paying the taxes you do, by buying a house, and having investments you are a pretty big supporter of this government. And simply saying I’m not going to visit does absolutely nothing. Sitting there and accepting things is doing nothing. And make no mistake, saying you don’t agree and staying home does absolutely nothing but sell a few extra papers that inevitably supports the very system you seem to be against. I’ve seen your commercial for Capital One Bank, how do you feel about their system and place in this economy? Cause I’m pretty sure the 3.5 billion dollars given to them by the very government you seem to disagree with probably made it possible for you to cash that check…. Use some common sense. Maybe take a few seconds of that opportunity to ask the President a few things. But to no show seems to me to be simply ridiculous given the huge support you actually have on this particular government (both sides). And that comment by the way seems like BS to me.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

    • Mattyleg says:

      Hold on a sec, it seems like you want him to go to see the President AND agree with him.

      In the first place, Thomas wouldn’t have a few seconds to talk to the President, he’d just be able to shake his hand. Staying home makes a far larger statement.

      Second of all, have a look at my comment below on political handshaking, and how only the politician benefits from this kind of photo opportunity. Imagine a few years down the road, when the photo is reprinted. Republicans will be saying “what a hypocrite for smilingly shaking the hand of the man who represents everything he dislikes,” while Democrats can say “See? Even someone as anti-democrat as Thomas will shake Obama’s hand. That’s how universally loved and respected he is.”

      I don’t agree with his politics, but he did the right thing, in my view.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • joeybarrie says:

        Ridiculous. If he had the balls to say he disagreed with Obama’s politics maybe. But to bash both sides and stay home is stupid. Especially as he is hugely supporting already. He is the hippocrate by saying he disagrees and running to the bank (bailed out by the ones he disagrees with) to cash his check for the commercial that runs 7 days a week. Where the hell were his principles then??? Fogged out by money. BS move by a rich guy living large in the very system he disagrees with.

        There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

      • HabinBurlington says:

        But what if during the handshake he did the old middle finger tickle of Obama’s hand and then walked away, or give him the dead fish handshake or okay i am out of other handshake options.

  34. price365 says:

    This is the way I look at the Habs whither we make the playoffs or not. We don’t need to dismantle the team totally. this is what we have.
    a good 1st line: Max-Pac- Desharnais- Cole
    a good 2nd line: AK-Eller-Bourque
    We have a good center for the 3rd line: Pleks, all we need is to find two good 15-20 goal scores for him
    The 4th line: if we have to keep Gomez, find a couple of tough
    5-10 goal scores for him

    The “D” we need a couple. must be good. experience. and tough around 30yrs old we have our Goalies this team would be set

    Just MO

  35. Castor says:

    If the Habs give up on Subban after the sophomore slump that every player has I won’t go to a Habs game for years. Not because PK is my favourite player (that belongs to Cole) but because I’m sick of these morons sending away talented players.
    Grabovsky. Sk etc….

  36. smiler2729 says:

    So little Timmy took his puck and went home, typical Bruins bullpucky or maybe he got stuck down the well, whatever…

    Mixing politics with sports is like pouring beer on cornflakes, let’s move on to THE GREATEST HOCKEY TEAM IN THE HISTORY OF THE GAME: YOUR MONTREAL CANADIENS! Geez, I listen to too much NFL Sirius Radio, Adam Schein is rubbing off on me…

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    Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are pukes.

    • Mattyleg says:

      Being invited to the White House is mixing sports with politics.
      Not wanting to go is mixing political idealism with political manoeuvering.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • Les Canayens says:

        He’s paving his way to the 2016 Republican nomination?

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        • Mattyleg says:

          Heh heh.
          I was talking about Thomas’s idealism vs. Obama’s photo-op manouevring.

          But, then again, I’d love to see it! Tim Thomas in Stars And Stripes goalie equipment standing in front of New York Harbour, blocking terrorists, and making outlet passes of tax-breaks to Multi-billion-dollar Corporations and the 1%.

          Now THAT would be political genius.

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • Les Canayens says:

            There’s no photo-op maneuvering, it’s a tradition where the President had to do it even if he doesn’t want to, just like the team had to visit even if they don’t want to.

            But yeah with Thomas running for office we’ll be filled with hockey analogies at least for the duration of his campaign.

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          • Mattyleg says:

            But the tradition was founded on the principle that the President gains popularity from being seen to support a popular team.

            There’s no reason to do it otherwise.

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • mb says:

            Mattyleg:

            Maybe the tradition was founded on that, but I seriously doubt that any Republican would change their mind about politics just because their team got invited by Obama. If they don’t like the actual government or the actual president, they wont do so just because the Bruins go at the White House. I don’t think Obama’s popularity will raise/decline based on that annual “meeting”.

          • Mattyleg says:

            I don’t either, mb, but that’s how propaganda works. You get enough people smiling and shaking the president’s hand, you will start to convince people that the government is popular.
            (this isn’t a comment on Obama, it’s true for every government)

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • mb says:

            Perhaps true. But if people don’t see the difference between a traditional event and a political statement, then there’s much more to worry about than a simple handshake.

            Someone (Duracell3) posted a good piece of article in a previous trend, about an NBA player who had to go meet president Bush at the time. I think it sums it up prety well:

            “One player who wasn’t as enthusiastic about the team’s White House visit was Rasheed Wallace. Asked on Sunday what he would say to President Bush when they met, the Pistons forward told the Free Press: “I don’t have [expletive] to say to him. I didn’t vote for him. It’s just something we have to do.”

            You show support by your vote, not by being a no-show for a 30-minute meeting, IMO. I understand your point, though.

        • Clay says:

          Thomas/Beck

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          ☞ “Talent is a gift from God, but you only succeed with hard work. Yvan was proof of that.” – Jean Beliveau. ☜
          http://www.celebrations-gomez.com/en/

  37. Habit in the west says:

    Trade PK? Wow, this just shows how the french media runs the team. Trade a second year NHL d-man with potential to burn? Makes sense to me, morons in the french media. That’s part of the reason why this team is useless. No patience means no potential. Will you look around the league at all of the players they’ve given up on way to early? Why don’t we start a trade Price campain while we’re at it. Heck, that might be good enough to get Garon and make everyone happy on the french side. Lets trade PK straight up for Robidas. That makes sense, doesn’t it? Maybe that will be the little push I need to start cheering for the Flames full time. Or maybe I’ll start cheering for the Leafs because their GM has a decent set of ba**. Maybe because I won’t have to listen to a guy like Francois Gagnon dictate the pace of what’s going to take place in Montreal. Maybe he can start a rumour too when it comes to PK, and maybe he can throw Price under the bus too while he’s at it. I could see something coming out of this low 5 thing that Price and PK have. Am I surprised about what’s coming out? No, the lack of intelligence in the french media doesn’t surprise me because they all go to the National Enquirer school of journalism. Gotta love it, the press lives for years like this, it sells more copies, and it looks even better when they influence something.

    • joeybarrie says:

      Same thing 2 seasons ago. Price was in his ‘sophomore slump’ or whatever you want to call it. Patience. Don’t jump cause he didn’t do everything you thought he might. 22 and 120 some odd games does not make a career.

      There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  38. Thomas Le Fan says:

    I hate Tim Thomas for stirring up the stupid political opinions of people who would also trade Carey and P.K.

  39. ths says:

    Wow. I came back to Montreal from halfway around the world and met Henderson, Cournoyer and Tretiak. If I met Dryden I would have cried. He just embodies the greatness of that Habs era. I’ve seen every great team in every great sport but that team was the greatest. I hope Molson realizes that they owe that team and the history of civilization another cup before those boys pass on. Thanks for the memories Montreal

    Ooh Aah Habs on the war path

  40. Chuck says:

    If Thomas wasn’t at the White House, was he busy hangin’ with Ted Nugent?

    While I respect Timmy’s convictions, I think that in this circumstance he should have shut his hole and went along for the ride.

    The tradition of an American Cup-winning team at the White House is not a political one. The team would have been invited regardless of the politics represented by whomever was president. He’s there to represent the people of the United States and to extent congratulations on their behalf; by snubbing the invite, Thomas also snubbed his fellow Americans.

    He’s part of a team, and this was a mandatory team event. As such, he should have been there. He can’t arbitrarily skip team meetings, and he doesn’t have a say as to what systems are implemented by the coach.

    If Tim is so opposed to his government, maybe he should take a real stand… like refusing to pay his taxes. I wonder if the IRS pounding on his door would change his point of view.

    Or if it bothered him THAT much, he could have just stood on the end of a row and they could have cropped him out of the photo. :)

    • Les Canayens says:

      That’s why Marchand also stood at the end of the row. Unlike Thomas, he really wanted to be there but they also really really wanted to have him cropped out of the photo.

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    • jew4jah says:

      i applaud him. F*@& that tradition. i just wish he would have mentioned the hypocrisy of the pot laws in his statement while he everyone`s attention. you know, to add credibility.

      chara = חרה

  41. third generation haber says:

    It’s been a tough year, but we’re missing something. We’re in a unique position. Bare with me for a second…

    What if, and this is a big if, White and Markov return healthy and the team (who gave Boston, Rangers, Ottawa, and Pittsburgh a run for their money) starts living up to it’s potential? A healthy team that has had enough time to gel and gain confidence, and understanding of Cunneyworth’s system, and goes at least 2 weeks without a shocking media distraction.

    …..It would be a come back for the ages! Absolutely no one is giving us a chance at this point, we have been written-off.
    If, and it’s a big if, we stormed back and took 8th place. Would u want to face us in the first round???? As McKenzie put it “they have a knack for knocking off teams in the play-offs”

    This season will end with a very decent draft position, or one of the biggest come backs in NHL history. Stop dragging your chins hab fans, this could be a very exciting finish!

    I hope we play like a pack of hungry dogs against the wings and shock the life out of them. Get rid of your paper bags and start acting like Hab fans! The Bell center should feel like the Roman colliseum for visiting teams!

    j.p. murray

  42. Clay says:

    The Joe Haggerty article was a real eye-opener…so Thomas likes Glen Beck; Wow, I had no idea he was such a fool. I lost all respect for him as a human as soon as I read that article. I still respect him as a goalie though.

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    http://www.celebrations-gomez.com/en/

  43. HNS says:

    The difference between the GOP and Al Quaeda is…..location,location, location.

    • Clay says:

      Propaganda is a powerful tool…perception is everything.

      __________________________
      ☞ “Talent is a gift from God, but you only succeed with hard work. Yvan was proof of that.” – Jean Beliveau. ☜
      http://www.celebrations-gomez.com/en/

    • Rush says:

      WHAT!!!

      Man, I can only hope you had put something in your coffee which led you to come up with a statement like that.

      Wow.

      Just wow…

      WELCOME TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
      A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many others her age, she considered herself to be a very liberal Democrat, and among other liberal ideals, was very much in favor of higher taxes to support more government programs, in other words, redistribution of wealth.

      She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch Republican, a feeling she openly expressed. Based on the lectures that she had participated in, and the occasional chat with a professor, she felt that her father had for years harbored an evil, selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his.

      One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher taxes on the rich and the need for more government programs. The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be the truth and she indicated so to her father.

      He responded by asking how she was doing in school.

      Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she was taking a very difficult course load and was constantly studying, which left her no time to go out and party like other people she knew. She didn’t even have time for a
      boyfriend, and didn’t really have many college friends because she spent all her time studying.

      Her father listened and then asked, ‘How is your friend Audrey doing?’

      She replied, ‘Audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are easy classes, she never studies, and she barely has a 2.0 GPA. She is so popular on campus; college for her is a blast. She’s always invited to all the parties and lots of times she doesn’t even show up for classes because she’s too hung over.’

      Her wise father asked his daughter, ‘Why don’t you go to the Dean’s office and ask him to deduct 1.0 off your GPA and give it to your friend who only has a 2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA.’

      The daughter, visibly shocked by her father’s suggestion, angrily fired back:

      ‘That’s a crazy idea, how would that be fair! I’ve worked really hard for my grades! I’ve invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree. She played while I worked my tail off!’

      The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, ‘Welcome to the Republican Party.’

      • Clay says:

        Your anecdote, while charming, is really nothing but political tripe to justify greediness. There is absolutely no correlation between a fair and equitable distribution of wealth and sharing grades in school. The fact is, anyone with brains can earn grades, but a only very few people now have access to the earth’s limited resources – and they have rigged the political system to make certain that they keep it.

        Do you see where I’m going with this? Good grades are an infinite and renewable resource, whereas most resources on earth are not. For this reason, I am calling BS on your weak propaganda anecdote.

        __________________________
        ☞ “Talent is a gift from God, but you only succeed with hard work. Yvan was proof of that.” – Jean Beliveau. ☜
        http://www.celebrations-gomez.com/en/

        • Rush says:

          Renewable resources!

          Surely you jest.

          What the hell does that have to do with this…

          It’s called redistribution.

          Even you can get your small mind around that, can you not?

          [Oh and, my reply was not to you, but to the name-calling sycophant who posted above you. Mind you, in your response to me, you have shown yourself to be a member of the same club...]

          Try this on for size instead –

          Even you shold be able to get this:

          WELCOME TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY

          I asked my friend’s little girl what she wanted to be when she grows up. She said she wanted to be President some day. Both of her parents, liberal Democrats, were standing there, so I asked her, ‘If you were President what would be the first thing you would do?’

          She replied, ‘I’d give food and houses to all the homeless people.’

          ‘Wow…what a worthy goal.’ I told her, ‘You don’t have to wait until you’re President to do that. You can come over to my house and mow, pull weeds, and sweep my yard, and I’ll pay you $50. Then I’ll take you over to the grocery store where the homeless guy hangs out, and you can give him the $50 to use toward food and a new house.’

          She thought that over for a few seconds while her Mom glared at me, then she looked me straight in the eye and asked, ‘Why doesn’t the homeless guy come over and do the work, and you can just pay him the $50?’

          I said, ‘Welcome to the Republican Party.’

          • Clay says:

            Small mind, yes? See, this shows your ignorance, and shuts down the conversation, instead making it a pissing contest. This is, of course, the usual tactic of a person who has lost the argument. Thanks for conceding so early. You weren’t even a challenge, really…however, I will accept the argument, and respond with intelligence rather than crassness.

            So then – as for your rather weak argument…the man is homeless because the banks illegally foreclosed on his home, and jobless because the Republican businessmen shipped his job overseas to make even more on their already obscene profits. Can you wrap your small mind around this?

            __________________________
            ☞ “Talent is a gift from God, but you only succeed with hard work. Yvan was proof of that.” – Jean Beliveau. ☜
            http://www.celebrations-gomez.com/en/

      • slychard says:

        and they laughed and hugged and cried…

        +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
        Kiss my hAbSS!!!

        • Rush says:

          God is a conservative.

          • Rush says:

            No, he’s homeless because he didn’t want to do the work himself.

            He wanted someone else to do it, and then he wanted a piece of the wealth which the other person had accummulated through their toils.

            Look pal, I can see that you’re a flaming lefty, and, as we all know, the best way to confuse a lib is with facts.

            Was it not the Iron Lady who had said “The main problem with socialism is that, eventually, you run out of other peoples’ money…”

            I believe in hard work and limited government.

            You believe in freeloading and the nanny state.

            Let’s agree to disagree…

          • Clay says:

            No, let’s not agree on anything. You know nothing about what I believe. Allow me to tell you a little of it. I abhor your political ideology. I laugh at your smugness. And I am flabbergasted that someone on the right accuses ‘lefties’ of being confused by facts. Republicans live in a bubble completely devoid of facts and reality, perpetuated by FOX “News”. Please take some time to educate yourself. Good day to you. I hope you never get sick in the USA, lest you lose everything…

            __________________________
            ☞ “Talent is a gift from God, but you only succeed with hard work. Yvan was proof of that.” – Jean Beliveau. ☜
            http://www.celebrations-gomez.com/en/

          • Rush says:

            I know plenty of what you believe.

            Your posts make that abundantly clear.

            And you’re right, I should educate myself on the evils of rugged individualism, hard work, and personal responsibility.

            As well as the virtues of moral relativism, class envy, and the nanny state.

            Say, speaking of the Iron Lady, was it not Winston Churchill who said “If you’re not a liberal; by 20, you have no heart. If you’re not a conservative by 40, you have no brain…”

            : – )

      • jmsheehy19 says:

        So every person needing financial aid is a lazy, alcoholic, party animal? Thanks for clearing that up.

  44. HabinBurlington says:

    Well we will never all agree on Thomas’s actions yesterday, but hopefully we all agree that if it created a divide in the Bruin locker room WOOHOO!

  45. Chrisadiens says:

    I’m starting to think the Habs can make a run here. Which probably means they will lose tomorrow. Seems like everytime I have hope this year they shatter my dreams.

    Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Run for what exactly? Please provide in order for us to scream at you in agreement or disagreement.

      • Clay says:

        Run for the border?
        Run guns? Dope?
        Run away?
        Run scared?
        Run amok?

        __________________________
        ☞ “Talent is a gift from God, but you only succeed with hard work. Yvan was proof of that.” – Jean Beliveau. ☜
        http://www.celebrations-gomez.com/en/

        • slychard says:

          Run to the hills.
          Run amock.
          Running on empty.
          Run Forest run.
          Run habby run.

          +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
          Kiss my hAbSS!!!

        • Lawrencetown Liquor Pigs says:

          I’m thinking run amok is in order this season. A bit of “Fear and Loathing at the Bell Centre”. Watching the waves of a once proud orginzation break over the beach of our memories.

          ____________________________________________________
          Dear Mtl Canadiens,
          Please beat Boston to tie the season series. You are about to cost me three bottles of rum in a little over a year.
          Love,
          Michael

          • slychard says:

            Like sand in the hour glass, so are the games of our habs…

            +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
            Kiss my hAbSS!!!

      • Chrisadiens says:

        A string of Ws would be nice. I’m not using the “P” word yet.

        BTW, its a good thing we didn’t meet up for the game. Dad spent most of the game screaming at the tv. I’m pretty sure he would’ve been asked to leave. :)

        Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

    • G-Man says:

      Yes, it is possible that the Habs get diarrhea and make a run. A crappy one, but still a run.

      This team stinks after a couple days off. They need a coach with a bullwhip….

  46. slychard says:

    They sure had some nifty music back then, the skat-a-tat-tat had me jazzing a go-go, dug the toreadore tempo during the fights, the down-low shift was perfect accompliment to that hawk player sobbing like a chick and the razzle-dazzle horn section had me ski-a-dee-doo-whopping with my shimmy-a-gimme. Ya, that was cool Boone, your the cat’s pijama’s.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Kiss my hAbSS!!!

  47. HabinBurlington says:

    If and a giant IF at that, Andrei Markov finally returns later this season and the knee reacts positively, how many more years has he added to his career with the previous few seasons of inactivity? 1, 2 maybe 3 years, I have no idea the answer if there even will be an effect. What I do know is that, if (there is that word again) his surgery has finally rectified his issues, I look forward to watching him play and tutor and mentor this up and coming young defence corp. As a result of Markov’s surgery I have asked many more questions to friends and family about their ACL operations and have discovered a few people who went with the Patellar tendon route as AM did this last time. They were amazed at the strength they felt and comfort in going back to playing high level sports. The recovery was indeed longer, but worth it they felt.

    The key with Markov, is if indeed this final “procedure, scope” was indeed routine or if major damage is being kept from us. If indeed the scope was routine, and rehab/rest is all he has been needing, I still remain confident he will help us. Too late for playoffs this year, but he will be a very key part in the development of PK, Beaulieu, Tinordi, Emelin et al.

    Good luck Mr. Markov, this team needs a good break right about now.

    • Les Canayens says:

      Who’ll come back sooner: Georges St-Pierre who’s recovering from the same injury as Markov, or Markov himself?

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      ☞ I can’t really hear what Jeremy says, because I’ve got my two Stanley Cup rings plugging my ears.☜

  48. Thomas Le Fan says:

    By the way, Pouliot didn’t show either but we expect that of him. Ha ha.
    Mixing politics with sport is silly, by the way. Can we agree on one thing? Go Habs!

  49. Mattyleg says:

    Mornin’ all!
    It’s going to be a looooong weekend with no hockey to watch.
    The All-Jokes ‘Game’ and surrounding media hyperbole and PR feeding-frenzy delights not me. Nor Bettman neither.

    I have to say that I’m giving props to Timmy on this one. As much as I disagree with the side of the political fence he’s on, it’s good to see someone stick by their convictions.

    As I said yesterday, if Stephen “I’m a Creepy Psycho” Harper invited me to Ottawa to receive some award, I too would politely decline. Just the idea of shaking the man’s hand gives me the willies.

    Good on ya, Timmy; the only Booin I’ve ever liked.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • TomNickle says:

      And most who declined(myself included) probably wouldn’t be polite about it.

    • Lawrencetown Liquor Pigs says:

      +1.

      I started off on the “what a GD douche Tim Thomas is, not going to see Obama”. Then my wife pointed out she didn’t think I’d ever go visit our esteemed PM (BM more appropriate in this case) without a cream pie hiding behind my back, if at all.

      I’m not so sure I’d even politely decline, just a straight no show is more my style.

      ____________________________________________________
      Dear Mtl Canadiens,
      Please beat Boston to tie the season series. You are about to cost me three bottles of rum in a little over a year.
      Love,
      Michael

    • smiler2729 says:

      I don’t like Stephen Harper either and his policies have cost us common people money out of our pockets and I have a true hatred for any Separatist politician but I was raised to show respect to adversaries as well as contemporaries.

      That’s the difference between Canadian and American politics even way back when Trudeau went to red China and Cuba where Nixon acted like they didn’t exist. The fact is they do exist…

      ___________________________________
      Jack Edwards is a clam

      • Lawrencetown Liquor Pigs says:

        Meh, I’m too disillusioned with our “democracy” for that kind of free thinking.

        It sickens me that someone who is supported by what was it, 34%? of voters can claim a sound majority of Canadians agree with his vision of Canada. That’s a scary thought, don’t you think? That a 1/3 of a population can dictate a nations direction for 4-5 years……..

        The best news I’ve had since the last election was that they were trying to get the title of his government to be the “Harper Government”, and not the Canadian Government. They don’t represent me, and I don’t want anyone thinking that they do.

        ____________________________________________________
        Dear Mtl Canadiens,
        Please beat Boston to tie the season series. You are about to cost me three bottles of rum in a little over a year.
        Love,
        Michael

      • Clay says:

        Not to nitpick (as I tend to agree with your sentiment), but Nixon went to China in 1972

        __________________________
        ☞ “Talent is a gift from God, but you only succeed with hard work. Yvan was proof of that.” – Jean Beliveau. ☜
        http://www.celebrations-gomez.com/en/

      • Mattyleg says:

        Stephen Harper is not my adversary. He’s the adversary of the Liberal, NDP and Green leaders.
        For me, he is a politician who is making this country worse in many, many ways. My appearing at a ceremony to shake his hand does nothing except improve his image as a friend of the people, which is a fallacy, and I would not want to be part of his PR machinations.

        If he were to grant me a private (or even public) audience to discuss Canadian issues, I would be more than happy to do so. To smile for the camera in order to be a part of his ‘Harper’s Happy Canada’ portfolio is absolute anathema to me.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

  50. third generation haber says:

    D-corp for the 2013-2014 Montreal Canadiens:
    P. Subban/ N. Beaulieu
    M. Ellis/ J. Georges
    J. Tinnordi/ A. Emellin
    R. Diaz

    Many good things coming! A half season slump after 4 straight play-off appearances is not the end of the world! How would we be acting if our team was about to miss the playoffs for the 7th straigh year??? Couldn’t resist bashing the laffs!
    j.p. murray

    • powdered toastmann says:

      Might have to add D Walsh the next year. (the WHL kid…late pick /11)…not sure of name (and too lazy to confirm) but he sounds promising

      • TomNickle says:

        Dustin Walsh and he didn’t come from the WHL. He played tier 2 in Trenton and Kingston Ontario and currently plays at Dartmouth. He’s also a centreman.

        • powdered toastmann says:

          told you I was too lazy to confirm. But there was a dman that the Habs picked up late in the /11 draft who shows promise…c’mon someone, help me out here.

          Dietz

          • TomNickle says:

            Magnus Nygren, Darren Dietz, Josiah Didier and Nathan Beaulieu were the defensemen this team drafted in 2011. Nygren is the only one of the group with a chance to play in the NHL next season, and it’s a long shot.

          • powdered toastmann says:

            That’s your opinion. Time will tell.

          • TomNickle says:

            What’s my opinion? That Nygren is the only one with a chance of playing in the NHL next year? He was drafted as an overaged player and has been playing pro hockey. Dietz is in his second year of junior, Didier is a very long term project and Beaulieu was the 7th defenseman for Team Canada at the WJHC. Hardly an indication that he’ll be ready in September.

  51. Old Bald Bird says:

    We all defend free speech and TT’s right to be a boor. However, there are times when you don’t mix politics with civility and respect. For example: I am not particularly a monarchist, but I would still honour the queen or the gg as head of state should the occasion arise. I am certainly not a Harperite, but I would also show respect for our prime minister if the situation called for it. There are simply times when personal petty politics must be kept separate from honouring the position of our leaders in a totally non-political sort of way. TT is disrespecting the millions and millions of the electorate who voted for Obama. In trying to discredit the man, he has in effect disrespected the office of the president, the leader of his country. In my opinion that is rather low.

    Sure, HIO staff, he has the right to do it. That I can respect. I can’t, however, respect his decision to make a political statement out of this situation.

    • DorvalTony says:

      Disrespect is not a verb. You’re listening to too much rap.

      You believe in the right to free speech as long as others agree with you, typical liberal. Thomas doesn’t have to discredit Obama, Barry’s done that himself.

      • powdered toastmann says:

        Yo

      • smiler2729 says:

        LOL!!! Touche!

        ___________________________________
        Jack Edwards is a clam

      • Mattyleg says:

        “Typical Liberal”?
        Both Liberals and Conservatives should believe in free speech, n’est pas? No single political party has the monopoly on wanting people to agree with them, nor on disagreeing with people with opposing points of view.
        Ask Harpo about freedom of speech and his decision to not debate the wholesale changing of the names of the Canadian Armed Forces.

        The only thing typical I can see here is finger-pointing… and we know who does that best.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • Old Bald Bird says:

        @DT: Try reading what I said not what you wanted me to say.

        First statement:”We all defend free speech ”

        Penultimate statement: “Sure, HIO staff, he has the right to do it. That I can respect.”

        BTW, disrespect can definitely be used as a verb. Look it up.

    • TomNickle says:

      That’s your opinion. I highly doubt that the people who voted for Obama took it as a personal attack on their intelligence.

      And for the sake of this debate, everyone is different. I wouldn’t give Stephen Harper the time of day personally. And if he wanted me to come shake his hand for some personal accomplishment, I would openly decline and probably go into more detail than Tim Thomas did in his explanation.

      You don’t have to respect his decisions, you have to respect his freedom to express himself how he sees fit provided that it doesn’t violate any laws.

      • Old Bald Bird says:

        IMO there is a difference between respecting the man and the office. I love living in this time and place in history and wouldn’t want to go back, but manners and civility have taken a huge hit in recent decades.

        It doesn’t matter to me whether anybody who voted for the president took it personally or not. I still see it as a sign of disrespect both to them and the office.

        But that’s just my opinion and perhaps I am out of touch with modern standards or lack of same.

        BTW, I thought I was quite clear in upholding his right. Perhaps I should have italicized, bolded and capitalized since Tony seemed to have missed it too.

  52. smiler2729 says:

    Geez….

    Price isn’t Halak – trade ‘im!
    Subban’s not progressing as quick as we want – trade ‘im!
    Pacioretty’s lost his fire since a suspension – trade ‘im!
    Youppi dropped a kid’s popcorn bag – trade ‘im!
    etc.

    Whatever happened to patience, what happened to stability? Man, who the hell is going to want to come here to coach, manage or play??

    ___________________________________
    Jack Edwards is a clam

  53. Ian Cobb says:

    If you have not noticed!
    Our injury parade to the Montreal General has diminished a great deal.
    Most severe injuries occur when defending or playing a defensive style of game. “Jacques Martin Style”

    When playing a more aggressive. A more assertive style forward skating and puck possession game, your team is less app to suffer as many injuries. Just a fact of the game.!

    • DorvalTony says:

      This is so fallacious it’s hilarious. Did Gio’s bicep pop because of Jacques Martin? Or a hit?

      You may correlate between size and winning but injuries are random like lightning strikes unless it’s Matt Cooke.

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      ”First of all, you have to have continuity if you are to have success,” Pollock told the New York Times. ”I think it gets the manager and the players to become more attached to each other.” – Sam Pollock

  54. HabinBurlington says:

    Wow read through last nights thread, that was some good entertaining fun stuff. Kudos to Thomas for providing a few hours of entertainment with no Hab Bashing.

    I must apologize, I posted something in reference to Thomas not shaking PK’s hand, the post was a jesting poke at Thomas, but nonetheless, I referenced an urban legend. I really didn’t care if true or not, as was enjoying poking fun at Thomas. But I was wrong and apologize for doing so.

    Cheers to everyone, LA Loyalist, you get the biggest thankyou, just as the thread would start to peter out, you provided Ammo for all. Well done, you had to be kidding half the time I am sure…..

  55. Habsman1970 says:

    As Markov has been mentioned below a few times, does anyone have an update on just when / if Markov is supposed to return? Not that it will help us THAT much, but couldn’t hurt (famous last words)…

    ONCE A HAB, FOREVER A HAB!!!

  56. Captain aHab says:

    On Markov: my hope is that if he can’t come back this year and has a bad knee by training camp, that he will retire and free the Habs from that contract. We have been paying the guy to rehab for 2 years now. If he can’t come back, he should retire and not force the Habs to buy him out. That would be the honorable thing to do for a team that has had your back for 2 years.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      My hope is he comes back in 2-3 weeks and performs like he did prior to these last setbacks. Doesn’t mean I think it will happen but it is what I hope for. Defensemen like Markov don’t grow on trees, would hate to miss out on his final great years.

    • JF says:

      I hope he comes back and plays enough to make it clear that he either can or cannot play. There are two scenarios that scare me: he doesn’t play this season but is supposed to be ready to start the next, then he needs another month, then another few weeks, etc. – in other words, this season all over again. Or a variation: he plays a handful of games, then gets fluid on the knee, has to have it drained, needs a couple of months recuperation, etc. We need him to either to play or retire; he can’t be constantly rehabbing.

  57. SmartDog says:

    Arrgghh…! Reading all of this stuff about trading this guy or that guy is driving me nuts. If you’ve seen my posts, you know I’m not the overly optimistic type. But here’s why we shouldn’t trade Subban or Pleks or any of our core (especially young core). (And btw, trading away guys during a down year with a lot of injury problems is a great way to give away good players at a low price.)

    CHILL OUT!
    Yes, this year has been a suckfest. But the team has a lot of very good assets. PG needs to deal ONLY with the BAGGAGE and DEPTH INSTEAD OF trading away good players. If he does that, the Habs could leap to be a contender next year or the year after.

    Here’s why I see reason to be very positive on where we are:

    CENTERS – with Eller and DD emerging this year, and Pleks as one of the league’s premier 2-way guys, we are stronger at center than we’ve been in a long time. When White comes back, we have a 4th good center (though a veteran depth centre and moving White to the wing might be good, the option is there). I admit none of these are a superstar but keep in mind Eller is only 22, was picked 13th overall, and is he’s scored more goals and more points already this year than last. If the flashes he’s showing are real, he’s probably our future big 1st line center. And… with Louis Leblanc (also a 2nd or 3rd line Center) coming up, we’ll have even more options next year here (though Leblanc may be shifted to wing which might be a good idea). The question of who’s going to win face-offs is still up in the air. For my part, why not just get a coach who comes in just to work on that. Easier and cheaper than trading guys for a face-off specialist.

    GOALTENDING – Price is great, let’s not argue about it. Yeah, not his best year but we know what he is, and if handled properly he’ll bounce back when the team is on more stable ground from management on down. Budaj? Don’t know. But there are lots of options. I still think Price would’ve benefited from having a veteran back-up this year to help keep him steady and confident, but that ship has sailed.

    DEFENSE – PG has made a mess of this yes with Markov the big domino knocking over everything else and now too many signings of guys we now need to turf, but with Gorges, Subban (also 22, still a kid and learning), Diaz, and Emelin, we have a VERY strong young core that can make us strong for years. We also have some strong (and big) guys in the pipeline. A Hamrlik type veteran would be good to compliment our young guys…. not many of those around but there are some. But the point is our assets here are very strong, the right veteran or two (Markov if a miracle happens) and another year of seasoning for the rookies could make us very strong here.

    WINGERS – This is our biggest question mark, though we now have a kind of strength we haven’t seen for a long tie in Cole, Patches, and Bourque. Add Gionta to this, Moen (if he stays), and you have a good core. I don’t think the depth players are all the right ones but these guys are more easily shuffled and probably should be. But again, the core is good – better than it has been in a long time.

    SO….WHAT PG NEEDS TO DO:
    First of all – NOT trade ANYONE mentioned above. Don’t even THINK ABOUT IT!!! Even if the fans clamour for it. Even if GM’s from other teams take you out for a great toufu dinner and a night at the Kabuki theatre, don’t be swayed.

    Second of all, he needs to DEAL WITH: (on D) Markov, Kaberle, Campoli, Weber, Gill, and up front Gomez.
    – Markov – if Markov is not a solid contributor by March, this contract needs to be eaten and swallowed and pooped back out where it belongs.
    – Gomez – Ditto.
    – Campoli – gone at the end of the year, trade him by deadline if there are any takers.
    – Kaberle – if Markov is back, this guy MUST go. If Markov isn’t back, this guy still should go if a decent trade can be made.
    – Weber – valuable to someone, not to us. Trade.

    Trades need to be done, for more leadership (veterans) to anchor and teach the young guys, for size and depth. But,,,, when trading – PG should accept only the following:
    a. Prospects who are wingers and have SIZE.
    b. Draft picks.
    c. Strong goalie prospects (for a back-up or for the future)

    PG don’t freak this up. And Habs faithful – chill! We are in better shape than it looks – not for this year but next. All we need is a good French-English-Russian-Chinese speaking coach. Then we’re off to the races.

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    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • avatar_58 says:

      Good post doggy

    • Kooch7800 says:

      I agree with not dumping our core but I have to disagree on our centre position. We have Eller, DD and Pleks, White, Gomez. Gomez will be gone (God willing) after this season. Pleks is your number 2 guy and a very solid one. DD is also a number 2 centre or a 3rd centre on a good team. In my opinion Eller is a 3rd line centre as well. He hasn’t shown me anything on a consistent basis that he could be a number one or a consistent number 2 centre. We don’t have that number 1 centre. Pleks is really struggling this year and DD has been a consistent point producer.
      If these three are our centres we will not have cup team IMO. You can have two great winger and put them with a weak centre and you will see their production dip…(see Gomez…) and I also think that is why GIO and Cammy were struggling so badly. Pleks was/is having an off year.
      I am not sure who I would get rid of but this current Habs Roster needs and offensive centre big time

      • SmartDog says:

        You can’t say Eller is a 3rd line center yet… he’s 22. He’s a kid. He didn’t score 4 goals in one game because he’s a slouch. There’s more to this kid than we’ve seen. Keep in mind he’s not even playing with the top forwards on the team. He gets better and better…. I think that with the right forwards next year or the one after he may well be our first line center. You may disagree but we’ll have to wait a year or two to know.

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        Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

        • Kooch7800 says:

          I would love nothing more than to eat crow on it trust me. I just don’t see the offensive flair that would make him be a number 1 centre.

          He makes a ton of really bad passes which is a partly cause he is young but for example look at how LL played when he was up. You could see that he is going to be a solid offensive forward. He sees the ice well and has a very high hockey IQ.

          I hope I am wrong but just from what I have seen. I hope LL makes the team next year. He is a heck of a hockey player

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      I almost totally agree about who to keep and who to discard, but I will say one thing: that anybody is theoretically tradeable. For example: there are trades for PK or Price that we can envision as being good if someone were to come knocking and begging. Granted, we can scarcely imagine this happening in real life, but I just think we need to keep it in mind.

      • SmartDog says:

        I agree. But I think we’ve got a lot of good assets and it’s unlikely those I’ve named can be improved on. Especially the young ones – guys like PK and Eller are just going to get better and ALL of them would be better on a stronger more stable team.

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    • JF says:

      Agree with every point you make.

    • third generation haber says:

      Spot on Smart dog!
      Blowing-up a team has only once been attempted on purpose (Penguins) and that was due to bankruptcy issues. As Philly, Ottawa, N.J., have shown, u can bounce back from a bad season. Injuries have hurt us and especially our inexperienced D.
      I agree: Campoli, Kaberle, Gomez, and Nokia must go. Let’s add a big center, solid D-men, and reenforce our bottom six with some muscle (NOT GOONS!) and come back next year.
      Where I disagree with u is on draft picks. They take time to develop, prospects from 2010 and 2011 draft are closer to NHL ready and should be our priority.

      j.p. murray

  58. Captain aHab says:

    I think TT would like to vote for Ron Paul myself. Paul gets some stuff right but boy oh boy does he come off looking like a nutcase on some of his other stuff.

  59. kirkiswork says:

    I really hope that there is a GM out there who would be stupid enough to take Kaberle’s contract off our hands for a playoff run.
    Though I really doubt it.
    What a dumbass signing.
    We may have to buy out Kaberle and Gomez.

    • Captain aHab says:

      I don’t think we need to buy out Kaberle. His contract is nowhere near as bad as Gomez’ was when we acquired him. If people really want us to go with cheaper youth then having his contract in there will pose no problem even if he ends up as a 5-6 D-Man.

      And, I know I’m going to get crap for this, if Gomez keeps playing with some determination, he’ll at least be worth a little more than he has.

      • SmartDog says:

        You’re right that Kaberle’s contract isn’t as bad as Gomez’s and that Gomez (for two of the games since he’s been back.. others have been terrible) has been somewhat better but neither of these guys is worth his salt (Gomez especially) and you don’t win a cup saying “this contract at least isn’t as bad as that other horrible one”. Gomez NEEDS to be gone NOW. Kaberle… I’d like to see him replaced with a more solid veteran. His being soft on D is a really bad thing, and he hasn’t done much for our Power Play.

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        • DorvalTony says:

          Bring Leblanc back. He’s ready.

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    • Strummer says:

      Kabelre’s contract is a walk in the park compared to Cammaleri’s and someone took that.
      There will always be a market for reasonably priced depth on defence.
      Besides- Kaberle, Weber, Markov (sigh) and Gorges are all we have signed for next year on the back end.

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      -Dennis Miller

  60. Jan_pronounced_Yan says:

    I hate that the mainstream media are now talking about the possibility of trading PK as a viable option. No doubt, the Habs need a big centre. But, they also need a defense. If we trade PK, and Markov is really done, then we have to wait another 3 years before Bealieu and Tinordi are able to really make an impact. That leaves us with a really crappy defense until then. And don’t talk to me about the UFA market. There is nothing out there. Anybody decent would cost more than they’re worth.

    The best move is to trade veterans and pick high. Hope you get your impact centre in the draft. The Habs don’t have the depth to make a blockbuster trade. The St.Louis-Colorado trade is a bad example. St. Louis had Pietrangelo who was already better than Johnson. They also received Shattenkirk in the deal. They did not give up any depth on D, and they upgraded at forward. The Habs would not be able to deal PK without creating a massive hole on D.

    • TomNickle says:

      I agree with some of what you’re saying. I agree that this team should go with youth movement and focus on the draft. I don’t think they should trade Subban. Beaulieu and Tinordi taking three years to have an impact is very debatable. The UFA market for defensemen is a lot better than you suggest with Ryan Suter, Brad Stuart, Tim Gleason, Joe Corvo, Nicklas Grossman and then a handful of guys who could bring significant contributions like Dennis Wideman, John Michael Liles, Johnny Oduya, Johnny Boychuk. These guys might get overpaid sure, but Erik Cole was overpaid, see my point?

      As far as this team not having enough depth to make a trade, I might be a glass half full guy but this team can afford to part with any or a combination of Campoli, Weber, Gill and Kaberle. That’s depth. It isn’t ideal, but it is there. At forward, the team could realistically part with any or a combination of Gionta, Desharnais, Moen, Kostitsyn and Bourque. That too is depth.

      So while agree with you on your end game, your idea of the potential means is quite flawed in my opinion.

      • DorvalTony says:

        Disagree strongly on Beaulieu he was outstanding in camp.

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      • Jan_pronounced_Yan says:

        Sure, the Habs have depth to make trades. Absolutely. Like you said, a number of our defensemen and forwards could be moved to improve the team in the short, medium or long term.

        What I am talking about is the kind of depth that allows you to move PK Subban. I don’t believe we have that depth. If Markov were younger and healthier, I would say maybe. But, as it is, there is NOBODY who would be able to step in and take over PK’s minutes and provide what he can for us.

        I too am optimistic about Tinordi and Beaulieu, but trading PK away and not having anyone to replace him would be making the same mistake that we are making with PK right now. It would place unnecessary pressure on those two to perform in roles they would not be suited for just yet.

        As for your list of UFAs, I agree that there are good defensemen out there, but there is no guarantee that they would come here. Also, overpaying a guy who isn’t as good as PK while adding a high salaried forward in any trade involving PK doesn’t seem like a good strategy for us. Ryan Suter would be great, but you would have to grossly overpay to get him and that just doesn’t seem like the best way to go.

        All I was trying to say is the Habs aren’t in a favorable position to trade PK. If Beaulieu or Tinordi were already established as a top-4 D-man, then it might be different. Trading PK right now would be a very lateral move.

    • Strummer says:

      Here we go again, let’s trade another problem child (for little value in return, I might add) so he can go on and show us up on another team.

      Sound familiar? Chelios, Ribeiro, Svoboda, Grabovski and Claude Lemieux all had successful careers after being dumped. SK74 is trending that way as well.

      They need to show leadership and nip these problems in the bud.

      It’s a lack of leadership that allows these stituations to get so out of control.

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      -Dennis Miller

  61. DearyLeary says:

    Gagnon is totally off base on this one. The “Gretzky got traded” rule doesn’t apply in a salary capped world.

    People talk about Shea Weber getting traded; does anyone think it’ll happen? Doughty? Myers? It’s almost impossible to maximize value received when you trade a young, strong, puck moving defenceman with offensive upside. They’re the lifeblood of the NHL right now, and teams don’t give them up readily, nor should they.

    This isn’t a “Gretzky got traded” world. This is a sign RFAs to 6-8 year contract world. The league covets youth because it’s becoming a young man’s game. People who are producing way above their pay grade are the ones who decide winning and losing, not the veterans.

    PK hasn’t had a stellar season, but he certainly hasn’t had a bad season, especially considering the traditional ‘sophomore slump’ for NHL players. He’s playing tonnes of minutes, against the top lines other teams have to offer, he’s playing PP minutes, PK minutes, and he’s still putting up respectable point numbers.

    While you want production from your young players, expecting a 22 year old to play #1 defenceman minutes is too much to ask. It’s the biggest hole left by Markov’s injury. At this point PK getting experience is one of the few upsides to a disastrous season. Hopefully Markov is healthy for next season and this team can move forward (as well as taking a high-end forward talent in this year’s draft).

    • DorvalTony says:

      tonnes ROTFLMAO how politically correct

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  62. Thomas Le Fan says:

    Halak didn’t score last night and the Blues lost. What a bum! Go Habs!

  63. Barack Obama’s devastation at being snubbed by Boston Bruin Tim Thomas:
    http://puckbandits.com/2012/01/24/obamas-devastation/

  64. Rad says:

    By the way, many kudos to Mr. Ken Dryden, for the work he is doing on behalf of injured athletes everywhere. He is a great Canadien, and he is a great Canadian.

  65. Chester says:

    I agree with that Dupont fellow. He missed a chance to make his point with THE guy, leader of the free world I’m not so sure, but definitely the guy he has a problem with. He could have showed up with an Obama sucks pin on, instead he mailed it in from the pizza stand. I’d say some thing about Beaners here but I’d just get banned from another blog so we will leave it at that.

  66. Rad says:

    “Detroit, Detroit … got a hell of a hockey team” — Paul Simon

    I watched the St. Louis/Detroit game last night, and really, the Wings are a hell of a hockey team. It starts with their no-nonsense coach, and runs up and down their lineup, from Pavel Datsyuk to Jimmy Howard. The Wings also have a great deal of tradition. And year after year, they produce an elite hockey team. On Wednesday night, I hope Mr. Molson takes note of how the other half lives.

    • powdered toastmann says:

      Ya gotta tip your hat to them. What can you say about the mgmnt of the Red Wings? Unlike some (Loafs) quietly and (Habs) effectively going about their business of building and maintaining a winning tradition in today’s cap world. Arguably the best team in the NHL over the past 20 years. People keep writing them off year after year…ie getting too old, too fragile, too banged up, poor goaltending, blah blah blah…etc. etc. and they just keep coming back year after year.

    • Strummer says:

      This shows the Habs need to start at the top to build a winning tradtion going forward.
      No more beer salesmen and other hangers-on.
      Spend on player development/scouting.
      They got the means- they’re the highest earning club in the League for eff sakes.

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  67. Gerry H says:

    Props to kevin Paul Dupont for his piece on Teabag Thomas.

  68. JUST ME says:

    The Thomas affair makes no sense. He blames the political system as being responsible for the bad situation his country is in but on the other hand he makes gazillions of dollars thanks to that capitalist system.

    Will he have the courage of his convictions and also not show up in the nets for the Bruins ? I don`t think so.

    Not his role to make a statement and not at his advantage either. There are ways to be heard and to pretend to want to change things with your position you have to show the example and not be part of the problem. I think Thomas is a nice guy, and the best of his profession but he should maybe smell the coffee and see that outside his world …

    • CranbrookEd says:

      Hypocrisy reigns supreme! There is really a problem when we as a society basically condone without blinking an eye, the obscene amounts of money that pro sports players and “entertainers” are payed. This while the average joe (and “joette”) actually goes out to earn an honest living while dealing with the realities of actual life . . . which these over-payed and all to often under-performing folks simply do not do. When one of these types decides as Thomas has, to make a statement while continuing to bring in obscene money, there is little if any moral backing to their largely empty words . . . there, another edition of my never-ending rant about the insanity of the money that these people make . . . now, off to work to earn a days pay . . .

      CranbrookEd
      Mr. Beliveau: “Pure Pak mais oui”! . . . What ever happened to Johnny Jelly-Bean!?

    • DorvalTony says:

      Thomas doesn’t blame “the system” he blames Obama’s socialism.

  69. HardHabits says:

    Boone’s The weight of tradition article is a knee slapper. Not like I haven’t said the same thing here a few 100 times. Albeit more eloquently. :-)

    Just Kidding Mr. Boone. Good article and very well written.

    Although I think a 45 year old woman might have more luck than a sexagenarian sports writer who blogs hockey games from his basement. :-P

  70. novahab says:

    I think it bad for the NHL to have Thomas display this way. He wants to do politics ,quit and join your beloved KKK or want ever right wing idoits you want to join. I hope he gets buried and black balled. Could not happen to a better ego manic,want a little floppy sawed of idoit.

  71. RiverviewCanadien says:

    Just read Francois’ article on trading PK. I thought it summed up exactly how I feel. If you want that impact player, you have to give up something BIG (been saying that all season). Trading away Weber and the likes, will not net a large catch.

    Trading Subban alone would probably not give the Canadiens that #1 center they want, but packaged with a prospect or picks might.

    The Habs brass would be crazy not to consider a trade which involved Subban to get a Getzlaf or Staal type center in return.

  72. 24moreCups says:

    Love the picture of The Rocket!

  73. The Cat says:

    I always figured Thomas to be a happy go lucky friendly guy, this really surprised me.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  74. HabFanSince72 says:

    We went away for a photo op
    Said we were going to DC
    But he never got there
    He never got there
    He never got there, they say

    The KKK took our goalie away
    They took him away
    Away from us
    The KKK took our goalie away
    They took him away
    Away from us


    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

  75. smiler2729 says:

    Actually his statement said something to the effect of his disdain for the state of his country due to bad governement by both parties.

    Basically his stance just put him in with other celebrity blowhards that choose the wrong the time to spout off (actors at Oscars, etc.)

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  76. Mattyleg says:

    Aww, I miss those!
    I think JM was just looking forward to the day he could get away with one of them.
    Maybe he had a bet with some other coaches that he could score a goal with 6 players on the ice without the refs noticing.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  77. smiler2729 says:

    Oh yeah, we all know that, just saying what he claimed in his ‘statement’ which you have to believe was dressed up to temper his true sentiments.

    He’s Ted Nugent on skates… he’s a freakin’ Bruin and has no class.

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    Jack Edwards is a clam

  78. HabinBurlington says:

    I think if Thomas was so inclined he could carry the torch left by Charlton Heston and become spokesperson and President of the NRA when his hockey career is over.

  79. JF says:

    I think there has to be something else going on. Recovery time from a scope is about three weeks; Markov still isn’t skating yet. I expect to hear about mid-February that he’s had another “setback.”

  80. slychard says:

    Poor Charlie, I have this sad image of him, confused, abandoning Michael Moore in his living room after being ambushed by Moore during bowling for columbine. A far cry from him confronting talking apes. Of course that was scripted, but still. Shame.

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  81. Clay says:

    …or stupid…

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  82. Rush says:

    Dear Occupy Protesters:

    My Dad is a successful computer engineer.

    My Mom gave up a career to raise me properly.

    Our house is a little too small, but, like my parents say, “Live below your means”.

    I’m sorry you’re out of work, and in debt. Perhaps you should’ve gotten a degree in engineering, instead of Bitter Women’s Studies.

    So, could you please quit crapping in the alleys, go home, and get a job at McDonald’s.

    Because, even at 13, I know I will be part of the 100% of PRODUCTIVE members of society whom you will be begging for support you in a few short years.

    For more information, please go to GetaDamnJobYouHippie.org

  83. HabFanSince72 says:

    He might still be the smartest guy on that team.


    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

  84. habsolutely416 says:

    the JFK secret society speech is another good 1.

    ill be in the slot ;)

  85. slychard says:

    Which still leads him lower then a salamander.

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    Kiss my hAbSS!!!

  86. Les Canayens says:

    If the team and PK was on a winning streak, that same “You’ve been here for 40 minutes: Wake the f*** up.” would be interpreted as a joke from Ladouceur instead.

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  87. Habfan10912 says:

    Habs, has the league announced no additional suspension?

  88. 123456 says:

    why would he be suspended for not going? it’s not a requirement its an honor. f him for not going. f thomas for not going… who cares

  89. Hobie Hansen says:

    Yeah so that makes 1 bad move for Snow and 15 by that ass Milbury.

  90. Un Canadien errant says:

    Garth Snow was a brand new GM. Charles Wang was the major architect of that deal, he talked a lot about amortizing and a ‘new way’ of doing business at the press conference announcing that deal.

    The deal was flawed to begin with. It presumed that Mr. DiPietro was going to be an All-Star, commensurate with his draft position, for his entire career, and then averaged out his potential earnings throughout it. I called it a disaster as soon as it was announced, since there was no upside for the Islanders. If he was lights out Martin Brodeur-Patrick Roy good, the deal might have been fair, but more likely Mr. DiPietro would have held out and ask for a renegotiation. If he, ahem, underperformed, as he does now, the team would be stuck with an anchor contract around its neck. You would think after the Alexei Yashin debacle Mr. Wang would have learned.

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  91. HabinBurlington says:

    Not so much that i like or care what Snow has done, but that he said on radio how Milbury sent the Islanders back Lightyears!

  92. HabinBurlington says:

    You could say it takes skill to stay so unskilled.


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