Back to the drawing board

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The Canadiens prepare for a busy weekend at the Bell Centre: the surprising Senators Saturday night, the high-flyin’ Rangers on Sunday.
René Bourque will be available for the latter game.

Dave Stubbs on the trade

Pat Hickey’s game story

Bourque brings size

Cammalleri keen on Calgary

Bob McKenzie’s analysis

Philippe Cantin on the air of panic

François Gagnon on the trade

TSN By the Numbers analysis

Flames making playoff run

Bs are the best

René Bourque highlight reel:

406 Comments

  1. bellcentre hotdog says:

    Overall, I still think this was a pretty good deal trading a small non-productive $6 million player for a bigger, meaner forward, a prospect, a pick, and cap space.

    It’s clear that he talked with Calgary in early December. But I do get the sense that Gauthier rushed the deal after Cammy’s comments Wednesday. Unfortunately we can only speculate what the Habs could have received had Cammy been properly ‘shopped around’.

  2. Ian Cobb says:

    How much Cap Space do we have to trade this year, in order to sign all the free agents that we want to keep and the kids who we want up next year.
    I think we have at least 4 or 5 players to move out of town yet. Has anyone crunched the numbers.?

    • WindsorHab-10 says:

      Ian, before we move anyone else, don’t you think ownership needs to move PG or do you trust him to make any moves?

      • Ian Cobb says:

        I am not sure what Gauthier is all about yet. So far I like the Cole, Gorges moves. Markov move yet to be determined. Campolie and Kaberle were fillers. Martin move was wonderful and the Cammillaire trade I think was OK. So I am not sure if Gauthier can get us there or not. But I do not see him being moved out.

    • habs03 says:

      We should have a lot cap space this summer. With Gomez loaned to Europe or somthing. After resigning guys like Subban 3.5/Price at 5.5, and A.Kost at 4M, we still would have room to add another D-men at 3-4M, and another top 9 forward for around another 3-4M

    • habs03 says:

      We should have a lot cap space this summer. With Gomez loaned to Europe or something. After resigning guys like Subban 3.5/Price at 5.5, and A.Kost at 4M, we still would have room to add another D-men at 3-4M, and another top 9 forward for around another 3-4M

    • 44har48 says:

      Have not crunched anything and am really anxious to see, but my gut tells me if we don’t overpay Price and Subban, which I don’t think we are going to have to until their next contracts, we will have some space avail to make moves when the dust settles. I think Gomez will either contribute or be gone now and that would really give us flexability.

    • SBAH says:

      $43,565,476 is tied up for 2012-2012
      $20,734,524 available

    • Phil C says:

      I have not crunched the numbers, but according to capgeek, they have just under $21M in cap space next year. They have $43M committed to 12 players. Of their 9 RFAs, only Price and Subban should get big pay raises. Just eyeballing it, I think they need to jettison at least two more contracts. Not all will agree, but I think teams will be interested in Kaberle at the deadline, you can never have too many defensemen for the playoffs, especially teams hurting on the PP. If they then move Gomez, that should be lots of room.

  3. immortalhab says:

    Fellow fans, we are in the septic tank but everything becomes the opposite of what it is. In a few years, Mtl will be on top again. Just look at how the BHawks and Flyers were way below 500 a few years ago and they have both since made it to the finals. The worst thing for Mtl would be to remain at a mediocre spot in the standings where the question is “what do we fix?”
    We need a complete rebuild and it’s going to take some nuts up in the office. Right now, we keep trading pork chops for more pork chops. We need to decide who we can build a team around: Price, PK, Eller, DD, Cole, MaxPac, Gorges and unload the rest for new, young talent. Its a time when rebuilding is better than renovating.

    • Ian Cobb says:

      I think you are spot on, out with the old, small, and slow. In with the young, fast and large. And keep Cunnyworth, Gauthier can talk to the media while Cunny talks to his team.

    • aemarchand11 says:

      Theres no question you are right, Boston was awful just a few years ago as well. But Gauthier wont be at the helm of that team, he saved cap space with Bourque but lost it with Kaberle when Spacek was a UFA.

      The team needs a new image, and needs to be an attractive market again. Edmonton/Chicago are a prime example of how blowing it up and doing it right have turned franchises around (In edmontons case, excitement wise. Edmontonians havent been this arrogant in a long time haha).

  4. Jim Edson says:

    While listening to Marinaro continue his rant of last night on this trade does anyone get the impression that by trading Cammalleri Marinaro has lost his paisan insider in the Canadiens dressing room?

    Maybe his scoops will dry up and that’s why he is soooooooo negative!

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    What does the Commissioner of the NHL do?

    In short, a league commissioner is the action man for the Board of Governors.

    They tell him what they want done and he works to make it happen through his subordinates while making sure that individual franchises play by the rules.

    ******** Translated if you haven’t won the Stanley Cup in 40 years your NHL team is becoming irrelevant in a sports mad city long behind MLB, NFL and NBA teams, you just tell the commissioner(who you gave a new contract at 7 plus million per) to make it happen and the rules are bent sufficiently to action the command.

    • TomNickle says:

      Cammalleri is Jewish

    • Les Canayens says:

      He still has Gionta, Pacioretty, Campoli and Emelini.

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      ☞ I can’t really hear what Jeremy says, because I’ve got my two Stanley Cup rings plugging my ears.☜

      • Jim Edson says:

        Doesn’t mean they talk to Marinaro!

        The level of distress is utterly amazing.

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        What does the Commissioner of the NHL do?

        In short, a league commissioner is the action man for the Board of Governors.

        They tell him what they want done and he works to make it happen through his subordinates while making sure that individual franchises play by the rules.

        ******** Translated if you haven’t won the Stanley Cup in 40 years your NHL team is becoming irrelevant in a sports mad city long behind MLB, NFL and NBA teams, you just tell the commissioner(who you gave a new contract at 7 plus million per) to make it happen and the rules are bent sufficiently to action the command.

  5. 44har48 says:

    Some of you are comparing this new guy to Cole…if that is so, I like this deal, just dont piss away the cap space/cash. I’d like to use it in the offseason to keep getting better…and no not by overpaying Subban and Price. Price maybe, Subban needs to grow and mature some before the big deal.

  6. avatar_58 says:

    Oh jesus H he took #27. Incoming storm of people whining about sacred habs numbers.

    • mb says:

      Nah. Kovalev rally #2 on the way!

    • Mattyleg says:

      How dare he?!

      He thinks he can just breeze in here and steal the jersey number that belongs to Stanely-Cup-Winner Lucien DeBlois?

      I’m done with this team!!

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • avatar_58 says:

        OUTRAGE! CATS AND DOGS LIVING TOGETHER! RAWR!

      • Jim Edson says:

        What about stanley cup winners Rick Chartraw, Shayne Corson, Frank Mahovlich,

        Not to forget Czerkawski, Delorme, Kjellberg, Schneider, Turnbull, van Allan, Van Boxmeer,

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        What does the Commissioner of the NHL do?

        In short, a league commissioner is the action man for the Board of Governors.

        They tell him what they want done and he works to make it happen through his subordinates while making sure that individual franchises play by the rules.

        ******** Translated if you haven’t won the Stanley Cup in 40 years your NHL team is becoming irrelevant in a sports mad city long behind MLB, NFL and NBA teams, you just tell the commissioner(who you gave a new contract at 7 plus million per) to make it happen and the rules are bent sufficiently to action the command.

    • Les Canayens says:

      Even Laraque did not dare touching this number after Kovalev left. How dare him! LOL

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      ☞ I can’t really hear what Jeremy says, because I’ve got my two Stanley Cup rings plugging my ears.☜

  7. TomNickle says:

    My predictions for the remainder of the season and reason for optimism on Scott Gomez.

    1. When Markov returns to the lineup, Chris Campoli will be traded.

    2. When Scott Gomez and Ryan White return to the lineup, the Habs will attempt another “hockey” trade. Kostitsyn or Moen will be moved if the losing continues.

    3. Gill will be moved at the deadline to a team needing a veteran presence and solid penalty killer. Dallas anyone?

    When Tom Renney(Jacques Martin clone) was fired in New York, John Tortorella came in and Scott Gomez revived his season. Scoring 16 points in the remaining 21 games and scoring 5 points in 7 playoff games. With Cunneyworth, we’re seeing a style that is very close to that of Torts’. I’m not saying Gomez will be our best player, but that to me is a very big reason for optimism.

    • HABSGUARDIANANGEL says:

      hahaha strill talking markov… move on people.

      move kosistin dam hes one of our few bright spots this year, I can name 5 guys off the top I rather see go then him, I;ll take his 30 golas with no PP time, over gomez, gionata, and plekenec.

      as for gill yeah he gone, either way.

      and still dreaming on gomez, shoot some water in your face, we our better with him off the team then in it, and way you look at it. hes had a more then enough time in mtl, he best streaks are beside his jock strap.

      • TomNickle says:

        Markov had a knee scope. Kostitsyn is going to test the free agent market, management has been chastised for not getting assets for pending unrestrictred free agents. As for Gomez, I didn’t say that he’s going to be a world beater. But under similar coaching, he was an excellent player. And let’s face it, he can’t get worse.

        Markov had a reconstructive surgery on his knee and then had to have scar tissue removed. He was skating for weeks prior to having the knee scoped. And a knee scope is an outpatient procedure.

        • HABSGUARDIANANGEL says:

          waiting for markov to come back and fix problems is like a guy wating for his ex to come back after 2 years and helkp put his life back on track, the best of markov is behind him, was a mistake signing him such a huge contract should have done what they did with georges give him one year see how it plays out, 30 million dollars later, and markov is an anti social and he loves montreal, for whatever reason he an all star that gets left alone, he became a citixen, he wanted to play his carreer here, we didnt have to take such a big risk on him, when he clearly wanted to stay here/

          • TomNickle says:

            All of what you just said has absolutely nothing to do with trading Campoli or Gill when he returns.

      • Kooch7800 says:

        when did Kostitsyn score 30 goals? Just curious. I think he is on pace for just over 20 this year.

        He is a consistent 20 plus goal guy but not 30 and he used to get a ton of PP time.

        I would say keep Ak if you can lock him up. I still would love to see him score more though

        • HABSGUARDIANANGEL says:

          honestly I ve never seen AK get on the PP on a regualr basis, a few years ago I didnt like him much, but since sergei left, I think wever seen anfrei come out of his shell and improove. even this year hes one of our best forwards and still kept off the pp, check the number they dont lie.

    • 44har48 says:

      Tom, I know the guy took forever to start showing his skill and becoming a complete hockey player, but we cannot get rid of AK. This guy has teh speed, skill, and size to be a major contributor. I just hate the fact he has to play with good linemates and cant make his linemates better.

      • TomNickle says:

        We may not have a choice. He holds all of the cards and if he doesn’t have an extension by the end of February, he should be traded. Can’t take the risk of losing him for nothing in July.

    • 24 Cups says:

      If AK46 and Moen aren’t re-signed, then all this talk today about the Habs getting bigger is much ado about nothing. The future of these two guys is going to be a tough call for Mr. Gauthier. On the other hand, why would their agents let them sign during the season and pass up the July 1st madness?

      As for Gomez, I hope that he comes back and puts up some decent numbers. That just might mean that we can find a buyer before Oct 1st.

      • TomNickle says:

        This is precisely my point. No way Moen signs before July 1st with the year he’s having(See Ward;Joel). And Kostitsyn shouldn’t sign either. This is exactly why they should be traded. It’s hard to replace their size I agree, but you can’t let them go for nothing. Ryan White could end up doing an admirable job of filling Moen’s skates. Not sure there’s a replacement there for Kostitsyn but such is life. Hopefully they find a way to get him signed to a reasonable contract.

  8. RJ says:

    Anybody think Price will want to re-sign in this circus of a franchise?

    “My face is my mask,” Gump Worsley

    • j0nHABS says:

      he’ll get his pay day in montreal and stay.

    • mb says:

      I really hope so. Do you think the fact that Gorges signed long-term would make him more prone to sign, though?

      • HABSGUARDIANANGEL says:

        you know I love price as much as the next guy, but I havnt seen this guy dominate teams yet. I;ve seen him make thousands of highlight reall saves but never be a brodeaur, or a hasak, and frustrate teams for a few weeks, hes never been red red hot, hes always just done enough to win some games witha a beautiful save, hes kinda reminding me of the vince carter of goalies. I want to see price get like 5 SO in a month or not give up more then 2 for 5 straight, I wanna see him dominate something he hasnt done yet. Mind you he is young, and we all believe it supposed to happend sooner then later,

        • mb says:

          5 SO in a month? Geez, maybe these expectations are a little high. But I get what you mean about being a dominant goalie. Only thing is that actually having a decent defense in front of him would make it much easier for him!

          • HABSGUARDIANANGEL says:

            lol youre right 5 in a month is a good year for alot of goalies, but I just am a kinda antsy on seeing him dominate in the league.

        • WindsorHab-10 says:

          In fairness to Price, look who Brodeur & even Hasek had for defence. Their teams were not always depending on their goalies to bail them out. Our team does. Lets also remember Price is only 23 or 24.

    • HABSGUARDIANANGEL says:

      we need a number one d-man for price at least. poor guy has no stallworth at home, too bad we didnt get chara or a pronger, cause I bet price would be happy with that trype of player in front of him.

      • j0nHABS says:

        I think Gorges is a number one, we just don’t have anyone else. Emelin is getting better, but past that we have a horrible D squad

        • HABSGUARDIANANGEL says:

          If georges is our number one thats pathetic, price needs a rock back there, a blake, a pronger, a steven a chara, a weber, georges is good but hes not great and georges on his best days will not ever be a dominate force.. the best he can be is play a sound defensive game. he wont ever take it over,

    • 44har48 says:

      I think even Price can see this franchise is stepping back a bit, but he is young, has an opportunity to be the face of a winning historic franchise and be paid handsomely…he’ll sign.

    • WindsorHab-10 says:

      This has nothing to do with Price. I’m sure goofball Gauthier will be dealt with soon and hopefully a competent GM will be hired that can lead this team in the right direction. Price & other players can’t be happy about what has gone on this season but the team will take care of him financially, fans love him and I’m sure he feels the same about the fans & city.

    • Phil C says:

      Price is an RFA, so he can’t walk unless he makes a big fuss like Turris did in Phoenix and I don’t think that is in Carey’s playbook. He could get an offer sheet, but I doubt it because the number of draft picks a team would have to give up in compensation is almost prohibitive. So we have him for at least two more years (I believe) before he is a UFA.

  9. boonie says:

    Trades like this one and Kaberle are appropriate Tweaks for teams that need fine tuning — like Washington/Colorado trading Flieschmann. Bigger deals that move similar age/contract/value a shake up, like last year’s Avs/Blues deal are meant to shake things up.

    We’re not in need of a Tweak or a shakeup. We need to rebuild. Management blew up a team that finished first over all one year; and well and limped to the finish the next. This team isn’t in that class and yet management will not acknowledge our reality.

    Bourques and Kaberles are correct for teams that need players to round out a roster. Other teams need certain of our players to round out their roster. They pay the most because they have the most to gain. Penner to the Kings, Kabs to the Bruins, Fischer, etc. all garnered first round picks plus…

    And, to beat a dead horse. Picks are more easily tradable than players. They don’t have slumps, contracts, salaries, and NTC/No movement clauses. They are fungible. They are flexible. They are what we need to trade for. Not players. Especially not players, unwanted by their current team and most of the league’s other teams.

  10. price365 says:

    we got ourself a player with size and toughness – He averages around 20 goals a season – his biggest draw back is – He’s streaky
    IMO he’d probably be good on the 1st line with Pleks and Cole.
    put Kostitsyn on the 2nd line with Max-pac and Eller- Moen – DD and
    Weber 3rd line – leave the 4th line as is – if RC don’t want to change the lines put Weber on the 1st line with Bourque and Pleks – no other choices left – no one on the 4th line is good enough for the 1st line.

  11. BLACK ICE says:

    Mr. Molson does not run his Beer business as he does the Canadiens. Cause he sucks @ running a Hockey team!

  12. TomNickle says:

    Anyone see the theme here? Forget players like Clowe and Penner.

    This team is supplementing it’s skill with size and skilled forwards who can skate with the smaller skilled forwards.

    There is a mandate to the building of this roster. It’s size and speed.

    We just acquired a player who believe it or not is eerily similar to Erik Cole. How’s Cole working out so far?

    • HABSGUARDIANANGEL says:

      hopefully the only small player we have next season is DD. They should trade the dead weight and at least move one of our 2 small d man weber or diaz, they are too similiar, and have some value.

  13. Ian Cobb says:

    Players that will be traded or given away, but gone by the end of the year are:
    Gomez, Gionta, Pleckanic, Hal Gill, Kaberle, Campolie,

    • TomNickle says:

      Try again Ian. Gionta isn’t going anywhere.

      Gill and Campoli are certain to have new addresses prior to the middle of March.

      Kostitsyn, Plekanec and Kaberle are very likely to be kept.

      • Ian Cobb says:

        Tom, So you think that only Gill, Campolie and Gomez will go.?

        How then do we get enough cap space to sign PK, Price, AK, Gallager and others.?

        • TomNickle says:

          The only way Gomez goes is in the off-season. I see Kostitsyn, Moen and Gill gone before or at the deadline. And I see Gomez going in the off-season.

          That’s roughly $14.5 million in cap space right there. Not counting the close to $3 million we just acquired by moving Cammalleri.

          I could see Plekanec being traded as well. It’s just very difficult to do and an unlikely scenario with one of his best friends having just been acquired.

        • ABHabsfan says:

          Gomez ‘contract covers most of that. Isn’t Gallagher is under contract already?

  14. BLACK ICE says:

    They should have kept Ramo. Price will be the next to go!

  15. HABSGUARDIANANGEL says:

    Cammalleri had a NTC for 7 teams, so that could be why other GMs recieved no phone call….

  16. The Jackal says:

    If Squid was unhappy here and the trade is for the best of the team then I am for it. I just hope it is and that it doesn’t hurt us in the end!

  17. aemarchand11 says:

    Im embarrased to be a Habs fan. Hockey in MTL has been overrun by a “language issue”, the team is being run by a greedy corporation again (I Miss Gillette) and the GM, despite supposedly having the writing on the wall has been making more crippling moves to the team. Crippling moves not even solely on the players coming back, but the timing and the lack of respect for Perry Pearn, Jaques Martin, Randy Cunneyworth and now Mike Cammalleri.

    The Big Three: the language issue, the media with the high taxes are once again going to play out in UFA’s minds, and we will only attract second rate talent. If i was a player, I dont think i would be too attracted to the entire situation either. We can only pray that within a season or two that Quebec City gets an NHL franchise back so at least 1/2 of the media will be busy elsewhere.

    I will find it very difficult to be a passionate fan until Gauthier is relieved of his duties, for me this entire situation is embarrasing and I find it very hard to defend my team anymore.

    Anybody want to buy a Cammalleri Jersey? What about Higgins? Maybe I’m the curse.

    • TomNickle says:

      Lack of respect?

      Are you kidding me? Michael Cammalleri was traded. Putting him on the ice and risking injury is a stupid move. If he’d suffered any kind of injury in the third period last night that trade is done, off the table. Look at Gionta, imagine the Habs had traded Gionta to Los Angeles for a 1st round pick prior to the Blues game and proceeded to play him. Where would that deal be right now?

      • aemarchand11 says:

        The trade has been in the works since december? Dialog recommencing the night before? You dont play the player at all if hes going to be traded. Sit him out to avoid injury and do it the right way.

        Im evidently not alone with this oppinion considering most of the respected members of the media, including Bobby Mac agree.

        • TomNickle says:

          They’re trying to win games too ya know. He was pulled from the ice the instant that the deal was completed. And it isn’t done until both parties agree.

          Easy for McKenzie to say that it was an unorthodox thing to do sitting in a studio and not a GM’s chair.

    • j0nHABS says:

      Oh come on, stop whining. PG sounds like he is going out to build a bigger team. He eluded to it yesterday. We have been watching Gainey’s team. We haven’t seen a PG team yet.

    • HABSGUARDIANANGEL says:

      I thought George Gillette was our best owner, he’s invested the most and brought the value to the highest we ever had all whiile bringing us to conference finals, he brought old time habs like gainey, then carbeaneau, he built a hall of fame, a practice facility, builder row, no owner has ever done so much especilaly on a little amount of time. somehow keept the frnech quiet as well.

      • Mattyleg says:

        I imagine you were trying to say “Somehow kept the French quiet as well.”

        Which is not only poorly-focused (France doesn’t care too much about Montreal hockey), but also miserably discriminatory. Why on Earth do the Francophones (that’s what “They” are called) need to keep quiet? Please elucidate.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • Les Canayens says:

          During Gillett’s ownership, the Francophones were not “quiet” when Koivu was reluctant to speak French publicly.

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          ☞ I can’t really hear what Jeremy says, because I’ve got my two Stanley Cup rings plugging my ears.☜

    • Les Canayens says:

      Gillett bought the team cheap ($270mil), on loan from our governmental, and sold it almost double ($500mil) to the Molsons, thus pocketing a handsome profit. Any owner is part of corporate greed.

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      ☞ I can’t really hear what Jeremy says, because I’ve got my two Stanley Cup rings plugging my ears.☜

      • HABSGUARDIANANGEL says:

        since he sold the team the value dropped more then 50 million and dropping.

        • Mattyleg says:

          Source?

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • Les Canayens says:

          In that case either he timed his sell perfectly or his successor is not as good as him.

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          ☞ I can’t really hear what Jeremy says, because I’ve got my two Stanley Cup rings plugging my ears.☜

    • Mattyleg says:

      Hooooookay.
      Where to start…

      Language has always been an issue in Quebec, Montreal, and with the Montreal Canadiens. So nothing has changed there.

      Gillette is a corporation too. You may have shaved with some of their fine products.

      The GM is not making crippling moves, he is freeing cap-space and responding to the need of a larger forward, and getting rid of a smaller, underperforming one.

      This ‘lack of respect’ of which you speak: How should those people have been let go? With a floral basket? A fruit arrangement? This is a business, and as Cammalleri himself said: “We’re all mature adults.” He said nothing about disrespect, and claimed that the conversation was an amicable one. He’s been traded before, and Martin’s been fired before. As for the others, well, it’s a learning curve, eh?

      The media with the high taxes? The media report on the taxes, they don’t raise them. And as for taxes, they are comparable to everywhere else. Look it up. I did, and was surprised to see (but perhaps should not have been) that this whole ‘tax is keeping players out of Montreal’ thing is a fallacy created by the media.

      Finally, I wouldn’t call Erik Cole second-rate talent.

      You don’t have to defend your team, you just have to support them.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

  18. The Cat says:

    Now that the team is getting some size, its time to get an agitator, its time to get Avery. Subban is the only agitator on the habs and thats just wrong.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  19. krob1000 says:

    Does anyone know if this deal could be about real dollars? I mean yes there is cap relief going forward but we have a 30 plusser for 4 years….and I hope this isn;t actually PG’s means of replacong Andrei K with his 20 goals and just leaving us Cammi short..could be….who knows but this team always makes the playoffs…and that means extra cash. Cammi was actually going to make more than his cap hit, and I believe teams have insurance policies on players who get injured long term like Markov did (could be wrong). Could PG actually be under higher orders to cut costs for the sake of the books this season…..I know it happens in other markets and we take it for granted it wouldn;t in MOntreal. No playoffs means less revenue and althought eh team will still make a ton…the lost revenus can patrtially be recouped this way….

    It is evident there are more moves to come and this team will have a diff’t look next year …will be interesting to see what happens leading tot he deadline becuase event he most optimistic now have to pretty well acjnowledge (or at least by this weekend ) that our chances are done for this year. We need to regroup a la Ottawa or the Devils and start looking ahead….even Philly or Boston for that matter a few years back.

    • TomNickle says:

      I don’t think I’d be looking so closely at dollars and cents.

      Cammalleri wasn’t doing his job, whined to the media about playing time and has apparently been a big problem in the room with some people. Subban and other veterans like Gill, Gorges, Gionta and Price have had problems with him.

      Gauthier said this move was in the works for quite a while, and I believe that. This isn’t an overnight thing. He just started skating in the last week and that leads me to believe that he was mailing it in while he knew that a trade was going to happen and started working when it came closer to reality.

      As for the rest of the season. You can bet that other players with attitudes similar to Cammalleri’s will be moved out during the season.

      • ed lopaz says:

        you called it 100% yesterday Tom – and you are absolutely correct today as well.

        when martin was the coach a few vets were getting a free pass.

        they showed up to the rink, put on the uniform, and the ice time was given to them on a “silver platter”.

        RC went to a few of these guys – like Cammy – and told them straight out what he expected in return for ice time, especially power play time.

        that’s what a hard working, blue collar coach like RC does.

        its called – accountability.

        that’s how teams win.

        Gorges gets 6 years – message received

        Cammy is shipped out – message received

      • krob1000 says:

        I doubt it too…and I never really thought of it before but then I got thinking of the anniversary season cash grab etc, then I remembered the cap hit is less in Cammi’s case, then the lost playoff revenue. The likelihood we will not make the playoffs grows every day adn is all but a done deal now save a miracle. Just thoguht it had to be thrown out there as it would in any other market be a leading rationale…in Montreal it shouldn’t be…but you never know.

    • J_P says:

      I certainly hope not. I highly doubt the issue has to do with money. There’s very little savings for us this year as far as real dollars, and with price and subban both due for extensions, that money is going to get spent regardless. Also, if we dont bury or trade gomez, he will actually be making about $2M less than his cap hit next season, so there would still have been some real dollar savings next year.

  20. Malreg says:

    4 of the Canadiens top 6 wingers are now 6″2 (Cole, Pacioretty, Bourque, Moen).
    A 5th is 6″0, but as solid physically as the rest (Andrei Kostitsyn).
    The 6th is Brian Gionta.

    Not bad for a bunch of smurfs. That doesn’t include Eller either, who is also 6″2. So only 3 of the top 9 forwards are under 6″0. Very acceptable.

    • j0nHABS says:

      Moen should not be a top six, I like him but he is not talented enough. He has slightly over achieved this year on a horrible team.

      • Malreg says:

        I said top 6 wingers, not top 6 forwards. So that includes 3rd line players.

        • j0nHABS says:

          I didn’t say top six forwards, I just said top six.
          He still should be on the 4th, he is a solid checking forward and that’s it. Image if Eller and Ak had a more talented winger on there line.

          • Malreg says:

            I’m happy with a third line winger that scores 10-15 goals, kills penalties, and crashes and bangs.

            Moen is more than a 4th line player.

          • j0nHABS says:

            I’m not, I would if it was a 4th scoring 10 to 15 and crashes and bangs, and if you think moen is going to consistently score as much as he has this year you are dreaming.

  21. ed lopaz says:

    it would be nice if more Habs “fans” could actually support P.K.

    he is being booed by Bruin Goon Fans who believe PK needs to fight to support his hit on Marchand.

    the hit on Marchand – which was very nearly the same hit as last night – was totally clean.

    but this time there was a little elbow grease in the hit.

    BIG FREAKIN’ DEAL!!!

    does that little elbow compare to what the Bruins have gotten away with against us?

    have you guys forgotten the beating some of the Bruins put on some of our non-fighters last season?

    or have you forgotten the Chara “hockey” play which almost ended Max’s career and life?

    so PK brought a 2 minute elbow into hit.

    GOOD FOR P.K !!!!

    But, no, of course, giving the Bruins some of their own medicine is not good enough for you clowns.

    you guys who believe P.K should “back it up”.

    Why does P.K have to fight, exactly?

    Because every single Bruin and almost every fan in the house wants to fight P.K.

    Do you think for 1 moment that the Bruins are not elbowing us all over the ice all freakin night??

    The difference is we don’t have 3rd parties jumping in and instigating fights after every elbow is being thrown.

    and, yes, the difference is this is P.K. who threw the elbow,

    and it wasn’t Ferrence, or Marchand, or any of the other scum bags that wear a Bruins uniform.

    I freakin hate the Bruins.

    My passion for hockey runs very deep – it is an all out love of the Habs and all out hate on every Bruin.

    Its time to start supporting our own players.

    The fact that the media and now even Habs fans are all over P.K for every mistake he makes is absolute nonsense.

    And, oh ya, just for the record.

    P.K is going to have a 15 year NHL career – GUARANTEED.

    He is one of the most purely talented athletes that has ever worn a Habs jersey.

    He needs some coaching.

    He needs some mentoring.

    Most of all, he needs fan support.

    • Malreg says:

      Completely agree. The lack of support PK has had this year is astonishing.

      Amazing how you can go from being a perennial Norris Trophy candidate for the next 10 years to “trade him he sucks!”. One poster even claimed PK had no trade value left anymore because of how bad he’s played…

      He’s the best defenseman the Canadiens have drafted in 15 years.

      • RH says:

        Subban needs to mature, it’s as simple as that. Everyone’s entitled to their opinions but you would think that the same people who want to clean house and get draft picks would be the same people who would have a little patience when it comes to the developement of these same young players.

    • TomNickle says:

      Yeah that’s exactly what we need. Subban breaking his hand on Ference or separating a shoulder, tearing a ligament. Completely bogus. He’s struggling understandably in his second year. But he’s only struggling with small mental mistakes and isn’t rushing the puck nearly as much.

    • mb says:

      I agree with your whole post.
      I think the main problem with Habs fans (me included, at times), is that they are impatient.

      PK will be a great d-man in this league. Bashing him is clueless. He went from being a hero in this city, to a zero. That happens just too many times here.

    • avatar_58 says:

      I have a jersey, 2 shirts, an avatar and I get a habs-boner everytime he scores or makes a good play. I support the guy just fine thanks ;)

    • j0nHABS says:

      He’s still trying to shake JM hockey out of his head. That’s why he doesn’t rush the puck anymore. JM sucked out all the flare.

    • J_P says:

      Yeah the PK hate on this board is unbelieveable. Completely ridiculous.

      Young defensemen have growing pains, its inevitable. Ask the LA kings. They just signed doughty to a monster contract and he isnt exactly lighting it up right now. As for PK’s antics, every single team has agitators, so why cant we? I like Pk, love the way he plays, and love his attitude. This team lacks swagger, and PK brings that in spades. Its unfortunate that old school vets like Hal Gill try to reign it in (another guy who has passed his time in montreal).

      I also dont get the hate im seeing for plekanec.

    • Mattyleg says:

      I agree, Ed.
      Something that totally burns my ass is hearing “fans” booing their own players or team.

      Fans should SUPPORT their players and their team. That’s why they are also called ‘supporters’. In England, if you booed for your own team, you’d be beaten within an inch of your life (literally, or figuratively, depending on the team/division), and one of the favourite jeers towards opposing fans is “You Only Sing When You’re Winning”.

      Far, far too many Habs fans only sing when they’re winning, and when they’re losing, rather than being quiet about it and dealing with it amongst themselves, they BOO their own team to show them how sad they are. Boo-hoo.

      It’s pathetic. Subby should be cheered regularly as he was last year. This will boost him and get him playing well.

      You know, SUPPORT.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        Matty – fans boo their own players in England all the time. They hear taunts and nasty chants if they don’t perform. The English team was booed (deservedly) by their own fans recently.

        This year Cristiano Ronaldo is getting jeered by his own Madrid fans – despite the fact that Real are leading the league and he is scoring a goal a game.

        Although I agree it’s counterproductive and a bit cowardly to boo your own team.

    • G-Man says:

      Emelin is dishing out bigger hits and is being clean about it. And then he doesn’t yap about it.

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      Tanking- The Losers way of winning.

  22. j0nHABS says:

    This trade is a wait and see thing.

  23. 44har48 says:

    This might be a great move in the end, but with the history of moves this GM has and the lack of professionalism this guy has demonstrated, I have no confidence that this deal is for the better of the Habs and I have this sick feeling that everytime this guy makes a move we get worse.

    • Chuck says:

      Lack of professionalism? How so?

      • 44har48 says:

        In the interests of time I will only point out a few obvious ones:

        1) Firing an assistant coach right before a game, hell, firing an assistant coach period and not leaving it to your coach.

        2) Either being so arrogant to think sliding RC into the job would not upset the french or too stupid to think about it.

        3) Cammaleri being pulled last night. You work on a deal for weeks/months and it comes down to you pulling your main player before a 3rd period. You can come back with the “if he gets hurt nonsense” all you want, ever see it done before?

        I think it is well documented on here and by sports panelists everywhere the dabbling this guy does creates more problems than good for this team.

  24. rhino514 says:

    Can someone tell me if Bourque has played mostly with Iginla?
    Because an average of 27 goals a year and far fewer fewer assists isn´t anything to write home about when playing with one of the stars of the league. He´s gonna have trouble cracking twenty here if that´s the case.
    Someone please tell me he spent most of his time on the second line…

  25. aj says:

    Since the title of this blog is called: Back to the drawing board, let’s see what we have at our current lineup

    Forwards:

    Gionta-Plekanec-Bourque (Not Bad, I would still trade the two smurfs, 3rd line for me)
    Pacioretty-Desharnais-Cole (This will be the 1st line I think for the long run)
    Kostitsyn-Eller-Moen (This will be our 2nd line)
    Darche-Nokelainen-Blunden (steady 4th line, not to much activity but decent enough to compete)

    Dmen:

    Gorges-Subban (1st blueline)
    Diaz-Emelin (2nd blueline)
    Gill-Kaberle (3rd blueline)

    Goalies:

    Price (starting goaltender)
    Budaj (2nd goaltender)

    13th Forward/s: Leblanc or Weber
    7th and 8th Dmen: Weber and Campoli
    Liability: as always – Gomez

    • RobertAlanFord says:

      Gionta is injured for a while and our fourth line is an AHL 2nd line at best.

      “When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro”, Hunter S. Thompson.

    • j0nHABS says:

      These lines are irrelevant when there is most likely more trades coming.

      • aj says:

        We know that more trades are coming when Feb 27 and more changes will occur come post season. But then, at least we could get an idea on who should be traded and who should stay.

        Also, I’m going to add this as well to the lineup:

        Pierre Gauthier (Current {and soon to be removed} General Manager)
        Randy Cunneyworth (Interim Head Coach)
        Randy Ladocouer and Larry Carriere (Assistant Head Coaches)
        Pierre Groulx (Goaltending Coach)

  26. RobertAlanFord says:

    Number crunching time……. PG just saved 3m. Gill, Darche, Moen, Campoli and Ak46 are UFAs and Gomez is most likely out of the picture. Thats roughly $16.5m free right there according to capgeek.com and there’s a few big boys and a couple good offensive forwards available this summer.

    I’m just hoping that PG continues to address the size issue and that next year we can let some of our young guys in. Id like to see Gallagher up. I know he’s young and traditionally they’re supposed to go through the system but the kid goes to the net like nobody on the Habs right now except Cole. If a little rookie can do it it might spark some of the older guys in the lineup.

    “When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro”, Hunter S. Thompson.

  27. Chuck says:

    Lost in this whole thing is that the Habs one again proved that they can hang with the Starley Cup Chanpiars. Bruins have scored the most goals in the league, yet they couldn’t earn a clean one against the Habs. If not for that ridiculous bounce off the glass and Gorges with the perfect tip in of a puck going wide, we’re talking about a 1-0 victory for the Habs.

    • RiverviewCanadien says:

      Amen to that

    • ffenliv says:

      You may be missing something important. How many times in past seasons did we complain (and even early on this season) that a good Habs team ‘played down to the level’ of bad opposition.

      I hate to break it to you, but Montreal is now bad opposition. The Habs hardly generated anything. Sure Boston got a lucky goal, but I’d be far more willing, based on how this year has gone, to blame Boston’s performance on them not taking the game seriously, rather than the Habs showing how good they can be.

  28. Les Canayens says:

    From CapGeek.com:

    A quick update on the Mike Cammalleri/Rene Bourque swap from Thursday night. The move opens up all kinds of cap space for Montreal, as the Canadiens can now add a cap hit of approximately $8.2 million at the deadline without requiring any long-term injury relief. The Flames stayed cap compliant by putting several players on long-term injured reserve, but once their roster returns to full health, they’ll need to trim more than $2.5 million in cap hits.

    From a financial non-hockey point of view, not bad for a salary dump.

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    • avatar_58 says:

      Except no one is available. Cap space is useless unless you have a plan. If that plan is to acquire Getzlaf / Perry / Ryan then I’m all for it. However I bet the farm they aren’t even going to try

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        The UFA market this summer and heading to the deadline is very slim pickings.

        I say we don’t do anything. Figure out the Gomez situation over the summer and get him off the roster.

        And even play next year $10-15 million under that cap if we have to. Don’t spend to the cap on players you’re not thrilled with just for the sake of spending to the cap.

        We’re a couple years away here…

        • Sharks9 says:

          I agree. Other than Zach Parise I don’t think there are too many good UFAs out there.

          Keep the cap space open for next year and give players like Leblanc a real roster spot next year.

          25 before 14

    • boonie says:

      We don’t need cap space this year. We need to shed non-core assets for future value. The last thing we need is more players at the deadline, unless they are Steve Stamkos.

  29. kerrgte says:

    This is a good trade for Mtl. Size, truculence, essentially the same scoring ability, plus money toward the cap.

    Lots more to do. Boston owned the centre ice area from 1 end to the other last night because they are bigger and stronger all thru their line-up. They also have Chara – the most valuable player in the game today. (How Murray in Ottawa retained his job after that ‘worst trade of the decade’ is a mystery.)

    I think the rebuild to a contender will be slow and painful. We’ll be seeing a revolving door like in Toronto. (Burke’s record shows how long it takes, and he’s the hardest working GM in the league.) It’s hard to attract the best UFA’s to a struggling team with fans that expect the Cup right now. I’m figuring 4-5 years.

    Next steps: Trade for bigger players, especially big, tough, talented centres. Centres set the tone for the team. Anybody who has played knows that centres are the captains on the ice when it comes to offense. We know we’ve got some tough guys in the pipeline for defence. Notice how few big centres are ever traded?

    And yes, being conversant in the French language is important. Quebec is proudly of French heritage, culture and tradition. And that’s wonderful for Canada. (Montreal, second only to Quebec City, is the most beautiful and culturally rich city in North America. If you go there you’ll agree.

  30. The Jackal says:

    I don’t know how I feel about this trade. Will have to wait and see…
    I just hope we didn’t screw Cammy after his remarks which people blew up. From what I know he loved it in Montreal, so hopefully this trade doesn’t bring down morale.

    • The Cat says:

      The fact that they say Cammi’s outburst was a non issue in the room is as much of a lie as was Gauthier saying this was in the works for 6 weeks. The trade for the habs is not bad considering the weak position PG was in. It aint just Bourque, its also a promising youth and a 2nd round pick.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  31. CanadienBoy says:

    Lost in translation Patrick Holland game play 40 ,17 gl, 40 a , 57 pts ,32 pim and +23, like i say i like the trade ,the guy is a blue chip prospect and play center

    • English is not a Crime says:

      He’s a 7th round draft pick, don’t let points in jr hockey fool you. Corey Locke, Justin Acevedo, Andre Benoit are living proof that it’s not always a very good indicator. He’ll likely never see the NHL, but then you never know.

      • Mattyleg says:

        He’s a 7th round pick?
        Pavel Datsyuk was 3rd last 6th-round pick.
        Martin St. Louis wasn’t even drafted.
        Nor was Josh Gorges.
        Don’t let draft-placing fool you.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • CanadienBoy says:

        Late bloomer who did not sign right away to prove him self , we have 2 euro who did the same

      • savethepuck says:

        You mean like Ottawa’s 6th rounder that was lighting it up at the World Juniors a couple of weeks ago?

        “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
        Carey Price

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      If Holland or the 2nd rounder we got in the trade cracks the NHL we’d have to be happy.

      And it’s true, in most cases points in junior hockey are not the defining factor when rating a player.

      Speed, reading plays, size…are more important.

  32. savethepuck says:

    When I heard the details of the trade last night I have to admit I was pissed. I told myself that Cammy was our most clutch playoff performer who was just in a slump that he would soon come out of. I told myself that Rene Bourque is an inconsistent idiot who already has 2 suspensions this year and is only 1 idiotic hit away from a 20 game suspension. The other details of the trade didn’t matter to me.

    I woke up a Habs fan, which I am, trying to find the positives. So now I am going to try to convince myself that maybe Cammy wasn’t happy here, maybe he was bringing down the guys around him. Maybe Bourque gives us some added size we need and he’ll play consistently. Maybe the 2.7 mil in added Cap space will help. Maybe he’ll turn out like the Wiz, who I thought was an idiot that it was just a matter of time before he got a season long suspension based on his past record. When the Wiz came here he played tough gritty hockey without the BS of trying to end someone’s career he had shown with his previous 3 teams and maybe Bourque will be the same.

    It’ll probably take a few months to decide, but I’m hoping this morning’s me ends up correct.

    “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
    Carey Price

    • cthab says:

      May not be the best trade but it’s a move in the right direction. Having said that, I wish there were more support on this board for the TEAM, they showed what they can do last night against one of this years best NHL teams(to date). Our TEAM can use support by the fans critiquing “so called management”. In doing so, you build morale that is lacking from management.
      You can’t do the job if you lack the proper tools, I’m sure that all the hab fans on this board are 6’2″+ built like Mike Tyson and have the brains of Bill Gates.
      Be a fan!!!!

      • boonie says:

        Wrong direction. More old players under contract doesn’t make us contenders. It just changes the make up of the team. Much like Spacek for Kaberle didn’t vault us out of the basement. Enough of taking other people’s garbage. We have our own.

        Our management is second tier and utterly without class. Fans can do more than blindly following a train wreck. Ask Columbus fans if Howson is a good GM that should be supported at all costs.

        • cthab says:

          boonie, If you and fans including myself on this board think that there are future draft picks or current NHL players that are dying to play for Montreal, then we need our heads examined.
          It’s going to take a long time to turn this old glorified franchise(not TEAM) around. That’s why I said it’s a step in right direction. You have to do something, not necessarily as it was done.
          I still was impressed with the way they played last night, it was one of the best performances, they played till the end. If not for the bad bounce (Price is no Brodouer). Could have been a different outcome.

  33. --Habs-- says:

    Finally somebody with the balls that couldl take out Thomas or Rask a la Chucic!

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Bourque is bigger but will not cause Boston too lose any sleep.

      • CanadienBoy says:

        He got way more sandpaper than anyones on this teams right now

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          I like the addition believe me, but he’s not a freight train out there and don’t think of him as a guy who will drop the gloves.

          He can drive to the net, dig pucks out of the corner and take hits as well but he’s not going to be running around the ice nailing people and dropping the gloves every other night.

  34. English is not a Crime says:

    I see the team’s top 4 wingers getting bigger and bigger (with Gionta out). Not huge, but not tiny anymore either.
    Cole 6’2, 205
    Pacioretty 6’2, 210 (and filling out still)
    Bourque 6’2, 215
    Eller 6’2, 200 (and filling out still)
    Even AK 6’0, 215 and Moen 6’2, 220 make for a decent sized set of 3rd line wingers and Darche/Blunden etc on the 4th line.

    Still small up the middle, but the wingers are getting to be decent sized for the most part finally.

    Sure Eller is also a center, but he’s been used in both roles

  35. Hobie Hansen says:

    Bourque makes just over $3 million bucks and should be a reliable 2nd line player for the next several years and possible move down to the 3rd line towards the end of his contract.

    $3 million for a 2nd line player who has scored 27 goals hi last two seasons isn’t a bad deal at all. He’s scored more goals than Cammalleri for half the price. We could go out and sign another $3 million player with the money we saved by getting rid of Cammalleri.

    • dallyd31 says:

      Agreed. The amount of whining is ridiculous. Cammy has been almost invisable the last 2 years and has been a problem in the room.Everybody complains we are too small, and the Cammy is the worst player on the team right now, and then when we trade him, everyone complains again and says we could get 2 first rounders etc. Give your head a shake. Who would give away the farm for a $6 million 9 goal scorer who is an issue in the room.

      We got bigger, stronger, more goals and at half the cost. I think we did very well.
      Only in Montreal

      Geez folks.

  36. Les Canayens says:

    @Mattyleg & @HabFanSince72

    First thing I check this site, and right away two excellent posts.

    Unfortunately this kind of “soap operalizing” of Habs coverage has been going on forever and it will only get worse as more outlets are competing for readership/viewers. It also serves them better when the team is in difficulties, trading players, firing coaches than if the team is playing good, when there’s not much else to report on than the actual hockey games.

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  37. --Habs-- says:

    Don’t loose sleep over the Bruins! Yes they play tough but like usual tough players are usually the most likely cry babies hence what we saw last night. Even the Bruins media talk tough but they are a bunch of whiners and cry babies. God for bid somebody hit a Bruin. Bunch of sissy’s!

  38. Chrisadiens says:

    6 Million for a one dimensional, 20 goal scorer, enjoy Calgary. Not a terrible trade, some are forgetting we freed up 3 million in cap space. People were upset with the Kabs deal (myself included), cause we added 3 million.

    Now if we can unload Gomez next…..

    Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

  39. --Habs-- says:

    Yes tank the team! NOTE Bruins, Caps, Pens, Oilers, Hawks, Sharks, Kinks. Its the new NHL! Go for it. All we need is 1 year with what we have coming up in Junior. Just DON’T TRADE OUR PROSPECTS!!!!!!

  40. Rainrocket16 says:

    What pissed me off last night is when Eller collided with Thornton and the whole Bruin bench were running their mouths at Eller…ok, Tyler Seguin, of all Bruins was screaming and taunting Eller. Seguin? I wish I was a Hab for five minutes when we play the Bruins!! I am sure Seguin would not say a word had his Goon brothers not been right there next to him…Bruins mentality are like wolves, They can only fight in packs, except for a few of the TRUE Goons on that team (Chara, Lucic, Thornton)…

    • RGM says:

      Yeah, and it appears to work pretty well. I don’t like it but those guys fight and stand up for each other, and they appear to have one hell of a cohesive unit.

      ———————–
      GO HABS GO! 2011-12 is probably not our year!
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  41. Hobie Hansen says:

    I don’t mind the trade one bit.

    Mike Cammalleri scored some massive goals in the playoffs and that is the one thing that troubles me about this deal.

    However, the Habs now have two sets of wingers, four total, who can bang and crash in the corner and come up with the puck their fair share of times. Kostitsyn, Cole, Pacioretty and Bourque.

    Cammalleri really brought zero to this team five on five. He is unable to carry the puck and set up plays and you can forget about him ever coming up with the puck off the forecheck.

    Cammalleri’s niche was sitting a the top of the face off circle and wiring the puck home. That just wasn’t happening this year. And if that’s not happening he isn’t nearly as valuable.

    We are down to one tiny winger and that’s OK with me! Ginota at least gives it his all and is a better player five on five than Cammalleri.

    Not to mention we save $3 million, the Cammalleri contract was ugly, get a young prospect who was invited to try out for the World Junior team and an early 2nd round pick.

    • savethepuck says:

      I think you are the first to point out that Holland was WJ tryout invitee. I did not know that.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

  42. boonie says:

    … this is why you don’t let the classless M. Gauthier handle the sell off the and “rebuild”. Rene Bourque. Why add another 30-year-old player underperforming his contract with YEARS left on it when you’re REBUILDING….

    For G—’s sake Mr. Molson wake the EFFF up.

    Allowing Gauthier to add Bourque and Kaberle implies — strongly — that — incredibly — Gauthier is here for the long haul. I suppose speaking French is FAR more important that talent.

    • The Cat says:

      Bourque is a 3rd liner, I only hope this doesnt spell the end for Moen in Montreal.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

    • English is not a Crime says:

      Kaberle + Bourque = approx 7Mill per year
      Cammy + Spacek = approx 9.5Mill per year.

      They just shed about 2.5Mill per year in contract, and gained offensive production. Cammy may have been a 40 goal man before the Habs, and may become one again, but Cammy with the Habs was not, Bourque outscored him in each of Cammy’s 3 yrs here and Kaberle has drastically outscored Spacek for his entire career.

      • boonie says:

        Cammi’s production dropped when he lost Iggy and played for JM. If he bounces back, the flames could move him for a first at the deadline.

        See the laps deal. We get a journeyman rental. Anaheim gets a third rounder.

    • dallyd31 says:

      You realize that Bourque has outscored Cammy over the past two years right ? AND is bigger, stronger and is half the cost, nit to mention not a problem in the room.

      What is not to like.

      • boonie says:

        Again, we need to maximize trade value. Per McKenzie, “there are a number of NHL GMs who had no idea Montreal was prepared to trade Cammalleri,” yet this ” deal that has been in the works since early December.” This is not the way to get Kaberle and Penner like returns. Both, incidentally were traded in their conference.

        We need fungible assets, i.e. draft picks. They are commodities that can be stored, used or traded when and as needed more easily than a player, especially one like Bourque who has been offered around the league generously by the Flames with no takers. Gee, no takers. Like Kaberle. Like Gomez. We pick up people’s garbage.

        Assuming Bourque’s production doesn’t nosedive, how does one or two extra goals relative to Cammi and a bit of truculence get us to the Promised Land (“PL”)?

        You can define PL however you like. I choose Cup contender. Bourque doesn’t get us there.

  43. --Habs-- says:

    1) Good trade: Can’t imagine a player with 80 + points like Cammy in the negative +/-.
    2) Can somebody explain to me why NESN was complaining about the Subban hit. His hand came up in the end (the only thing wrong in my view) but the hit itself was clean.
    3) this tell me the Bruins love to dish but can’t take being hit. NOTE the the Habs in the next game. Habs need a player or two who love getting under the skin of the opposition. It will drive the Bruins crazy!

  44. Habs_4_ever says:

    Habs fans are so fickle. Last year P.K. was an untouchable, the future of the franchise. This year he’s a useless bum and must be traded. WTF!

    There are a great many players on this team I would think of trading before P.K.. I think it would be a sad thing to see him go.

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    • AliHaba says:

      I agree 100%. Price and Subban are the only untouchables.

    • --Habs-- says:

      PK needs to mature! He was always a little weak defensively even in Junior and AHL. We knew it and he needs time.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      I like PK but I would trade him straight up for Bobby Ryan. Both Young and good hockey players. PK is good but he also has a pretty larger than life personality which is his biggest asset and downfall all at the same time

    • Les Canayens says:

      The even sadder part is if PK will be traded, they’ll continue to whine about the inadequate return he gets.

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  45. Thomas Le Fan says:

    First of all, anyone who watched the game against the Bruins would know that we are not that bad a team. Yes we lost and I’m not going to claim that we are as good as the B’s but we played hard and could have easily won. Tim Thomas is otherworldly at times. A player like Bourque may have been the difference in a game like that. Cammaleri was his usual no show. Good riddance. McKenzie’s analysis surely shows we are not going to be hurt by this trade. We got a gritty forward that I and everyone else having been wanting, the secondary players are a non factor this year, the money savings will be significant come the trade deadline and the second rounder is a nice difference maker. I dare say, if the Cammaleri of 2008 returns Calgary has done well. If not, and I predict he will continue to be the bum he’s turned into, WE WIN!

    • avatar_58 says:

      Are you joking? I watched and it was pathetic. Whining from fans about the bounced goal was even worse. Excuses excuses. Then they score with next to no time left on the PP. Wow, hey how about doing that during the first two periods?

      This team is going so far south it isn’t funny anymore. I’m tired of watching it

      • Thomas Le Fan says:

        Um, no. Are you? If Thomas was not as sharp as he was, we would have won the game that I watched.

        • avatar_58 says:

          And every other game this season right? Coulda Woulda Shoulda – but they didna. “If thomas wasn’t as sharp…” he’s always that sharp. They knew this going in. Maybe instead of hitting his crest they could make him move left to right and score? You know, instead of taking low percentage grinder shots?

          They sucked. That’s the story. They couldn’t score on an empty net at this point.

          • Thomas Le Fan says:

            You haven’t actually watched much hockey in your short life have you? Go pull for a team that doesn’t suck, why doncha?

    • G-Man says:

      The Bs were able to sleepwalk through the game and still won. Habs had few chances and most of those they threw away.

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    • CanadienBoy says:

      Both goal were luck ,one from the board and the others from Georges stick and a player like Bourque will make room for the others big guy

    • mount royal says:

      I agree with Gagnon, but will go further; Good riddance. Cam was the loser in the clubhouse. i have heard that he never accepted not being chosen captain and his selfishness was hurting the team. His recent play (nonplay?) has been unacceptable. The game last night demonstrated that we do have a good team. We could have won and , in my view, actually outplayed Boston. So all the veteran Smurfs are now singing the blues and, even if we do not make the playoffs, we should head into next year as a very good team.

  46. roady says:

    some sports journalist calling them the mighty Bruins…uh…they’ve won one freakin cup in 39 years…mighty my ass….they are just a dirty hockey team, always have and always will be….bunch of bullshit…dirt bags from the top down…

    take your drink to the end of the bar buddy…come on now, don’t be a fool…

    • avatar_58 says:

      2 cups. Mark it.

    • habs001 says:

      71 goal differential…fewest goals given up, most goals scored and best faceoff% in the league… you dont get stats like these by just being a dirty hockey team…we may hate the bruins but after a slow start they are having a tremendous season ….

    • RGM says:

      You can deny it all you want, but they are the Charpians and look ridiculously good winning hockey games most nights. I hate the fact that they are the Starley Cup Charpians, but it is what it is.

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  47. remi_10069 says:

    Great trade. I think similar to the Cole and Halak deals that some people didn’t like, everyone is going to be saying how much they love Rene in 6 months. He’s got more size, more edge and I think a much lower IQ which should make for some hilarious quotes.

    They are going to have to continue to get rid of the midgets. I suspect another 2 will be gone by the end of the month..hoping Plek and Diaz or Weber.

    pipes

    • Mike Boone says:

      Easy on his IQ. Bourque graduated from the University of Wisconsin. Cammalleri turned pro after three seasons at Michigan (which is two more than Pacioretty).

      Mike Boone
      Hockey Inside/Out blogger
      Gazette City columnist
      mboone@montrealgazette.com

    • RobertAlanFord says:

      I highly doubt Plek is going anywhere. PG signed him to five years and does have a modified NTC clause in his contract, whatever that means. If Plekanec is traded for anything less than a Getzlaf (just an example, dont go blowing any horns) then PG will have killed his career and we’ll all be watching him on L’Antichambre in two years.

      Diaz was a great pick up when you look at it in terms of trade value. At the start of the season he was a nobody, now his return value is much higher. Might be a good name to sweeten a bigger trade.

      Weber and Subban are for sure on the block but I bout you will see both of them go. Its one or the other and at this point PG is looking at whats going to give him the best return value.

      “When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro”, Hunter S. Thompson.

  48. harrow15 says:

    I like this trade. When a player loses love/motivation for the team he is playing for his intensity and production lowers which then affects the team. I think we are lucky to get Borque and a 2nd round pick in return.

    Honestly, I would say we’re in the bottom 10 NHL teams to work a trade with, maybe even bottom 6 to be realistic, due to the pressure, politics, recent rambles and our current standing in the playoff picture. Most NHLers would be aware of our struggle both on and off the ice, and im sure if Borque had a choice he may have made a rebuttal judging from his press interview moping.

    Bottom line in my opinion, you cant expect to get much more for our big names in trades. Yeah we may have got more if we made a move in the trade deadline, but we may have only got a 1st round pick as well. At least now halfway through the season, anything can happen. Borque could blossom like Cole and we can go on a run and squeeze out 8th position. Didnt we do that 2 seasons ago? And if that fails we’ll finish bottom 10 in the league anyway for a healthy top 10 draft so I say we did good out of this trade.

  49. CanadienBoy says:

    Good trade Bourque, Cole ,Moan ,AK ,Max,Eller ,Emelin and we starting to get over the smurf thing just hope we sign AK and Moan now + that unsigned kid they got could be a sleeper

  50. Mattyleg says:

    *sigh*
    I don’t know what is worse, watching the media make an absolute Everestian mountain out of a wormhill, or taking credit/blame/kudos for the outcome of their low shenanigans, while feeding lustily on the news, jaws clapping, ink squirting, hyperbole blaring.

    Watching the press call Habs management disreputable only depresses me more. Makes me think of players like Sean Avery, actually, constantly poking and poking until there is a (re?)action, and then giving the “Aw, C’mon! What is this?!” face to anyone and everyone who cares to watch.

    I see plenty of stuffed media-shirts delightedly squawking, all of them squabbling to have the most ‘inside’ angle. Lots of people saying that they know what goes on the Habs’ locker room. Lots of people saying how ‘close’ they are to the team, and how their ‘credible sources’ tell them yadda yadda yadda.

    What is worse, is that some people actually believe this sort of garbage. I see much of the media (all three languages, Gujurati included) as a kind of Pravda-esque propaganda machine, but instead of being run by the government, they are run by the corporation that wants to sell papers/get web-hits/attract viewers. And you know what? They’ll say nearly ANYTHING to get you to watch/read/listen to them.

    So as we watch a good player walk away at more or less the right time, with what amounts to a hopeful acquisition this-way-bound, we also have to tolerate the accusations and blaming which, to further discredit their reliability, fly in absolutely every direction.

    …and each and every one of us could sit down and write Jack Todd’s column now. We all know what’s going to be in it, we all know the moral “high-ground” that he will take, the only sad thing is that the Gazette will actually waste ink/internet space on it.
    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  51. HabFanSince72 says:

    A lot of you are being influenced by the media.

    There is a lot of anti-Hab sentiment out there. Not just from Toronto, but also from Peladeau’s lackeys. His rag stirred the anti-Cunneyworth pot all it could.

    Someone in the Toronto media says “it’s classless to fire the coach on the morning of a game” or whatever, and you all swallow it. When should you fire him? When he’s at the spa having a massage?

    Someone says Molson and Gauthier “threw Cunneyworth under a bus” and you believe them. What they did is offer him a once in a lifetime opportunity (OK, getting thrown under a bus is also by definition a once in a lifetime event but you get my drift). Yes they were taken aback by the criticism from a few lunatics, and responded best they could. Their response was fine and reasonable.

    The team is doing poorly – thats why they fired the coach. 7 other teams did the same including St.Louis.

    Cammy earns $6M and isn’t producing – that’s why he was traded. Happens all the time.

    It ain’t a “circus” and it ain’t “classless”.

    Get a grip and start thinking for yourselves.

    • Mattyleg says:

      Heh heh.
      We think the same.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • avatar_58 says:

      Keep treating UFAs like black sheep and guess what will happen?

      Also it sounded like Gauthier *only* talked to Calgary. Other GMs had no clue. What the hell is this? You maximize your return on top 6 forwards, not take the first sucker who answers the phone.

      It’s Halak all over again. No communication, no respect, and a return that we cannot yet call a “win”. I hope it is one, but I have doubts.

      • CanadienBoy says:

        Cammy at 6 mil should be the one showing respect to his teammates ,like Cole and Georges don’t play to win

      • Mattyleg says:

        I like how you built your argument.

        “It sounded like Gauthier *only* talked to Calgary”
        …and then you go on to freak out about something that you invented.

        Apparently the Montreal administration is peeing in the McGill reservoir. Why would they do that? What kind of band of crazies would do such a thing? I’ll tell you: idiotic madmen who aren’t fit to run a city! Don’t they know that we need clean water to drink, and that urine is full of harmful toxins?

        We need a new mayor. And fast.

        That was pretty fun, actually. I can see why you do it now.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • avatar_58 says:

          They said it themselves on TSN. GMs saying “I wish I knew he was available”.

          • Mattyleg says:

            Uh huh. You believe this.
            That’s interesting.
            Read what I wrote above on believing what you see in the media.

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • mb says:

            Even if that (coming from the media btw) is true, don’t you think maybe PG wanted to avoid offering Cammy to an Eastern conference team? Why the hell would he talk to 30 teams anyway. GMs don’t put an ad in the newspaper to make sure every other GM can read it. PG talked to the teams which had players he was interested in.

          • Les Canayens says:

            Just like how they believed it when they said the Kostisyn brothers would be arrested for gangsterism…

            @mb
            Exactly. Plus if Cammi has a NTC Gauthier can only trade him to list of teams he wants to go to.
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          • Jim Edson says:

            Remember Cammalleri had a list of 7 teams he would accept a trade to!

            23 GM’s can talk all they want ( esp Blowhard Burke) but there was no way he was going to any of their teams by contract!

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            In short, a league commissioner is the action man for the Board of Governors.

            They tell him what they want done and he works to make it happen through his subordinates while making sure that individual franchises play by the rules.

            ******** Translated if you haven’t won the Stanley Cup in 40 years your NHL team is becoming irrelevant in a sports mad city long behind MLB, NFL and NBA teams, you just tell the commissioner(who you gave a new contract at 7 plus million per) to make it happen and the rules are bent sufficiently to action the command.

          • mb says:

            @Les Canayens:

            What??! Don’t tell me the whole Kostitsyn mob-mafia thing was all media sensationalism! Wow, you just burst my bubble :P

    • CanadienBoy says:

      That,s right it a business and other teams do it without being call class less

    • gmur says:

      Over the past 5 years, there have been a lot of hockey decisions that are based on a lack of capacity to evaluate talent. That’s not from the Toronto media… or from “Péladeau’s lackeys”… it’s from looking at what players were traded and what was received in return. Hopefully, this trade will pan out.

    • mb says:

      Great post!

      Hockey is a business and players get traded, period.

  52. AliHaba says:

    The final verdict on this trade will be made in June 2013 when the Habs utilize that second round pick. Only then will we be able to make an informed judgement.

    One thing that stuck out in my mind as I watched the game last night was the courage of P.K. Subban. That kid is really coming into his own. Any thought of trading him should be canned immediately.

    • G-Man says:

      Courage? Turtling is courage? Wow.

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      • avatar_58 says:

        Pardon but he was taken by a third party by surprise. I believe if you want to point out a coward, he was in a bruins sweater.

      • AliHaba says:

        Did he turtle last night? Must have missed it.

        • G-Man says:

          When you throw an elbow into a player and aren’t ready to man up, that’s turtling. PK’s a big player. He should and could be better than that.

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        • stevieray says:

          he turtled ….wants to give it but won’t take it !…his antics are getting to be a distraction to the team don’t you think .
          Wouldn.t hurt my feelings to trade him . Then we can go with Gorges,Emelin,Diaz and bring in 3 bruisers to pair with them ..some one like a Erskine from Wash or Peckam from the oilers …that would certainly help protect our goalie …whoever it’ll be in 2012

      • ABHabsfan says:

        I think he trying to not get his face stepped on, but it does look like a turtle. I think if I was on the ice with 20 blades flying around I would cover my face too. Ference is a punk

      • gmur says:

        By ‘turtling’, he caused Ference to get 4 minutes, put the Habs on the powerplay and they scored to make it 2-1 Bruins. Plus, he wasn’t in the box for 5 minutes at a crucial time in the game. How do you call that a bad play? Looks good to me.

        • G-Man says:

          The only reason Ference got the penalty was because he defended his teammate. PK needs to grow up and learn to defend himself.

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          • gmur says:

            Ference almost blew it by taking a bad penalty and letting the Canadiens back into the game. He wouldn’t look so smart had the Bruins lost. And instead of being in the dressing room icing his knuckles, PK was on the ice, and had a very good chance to score the equalizer. It’s about the 2 points, not gooning it up.

          • avatar_58 says:

            Last time I checked PK was penalized for elbowing. If he kept his temper in check the bruins could have had a PP. Instead they gooned it up and paid for it.

            Lesson is to let the refs handle it in close games.

    • RiverviewCanadien says:

      Courage?

      Did you see him curl up in a ball after he laid that high hit?

      More like chickens__t

  53. habs001 says:

    plecks 8 goals minus 13…darche 6 points….nokia 4 points…blunden no scoring ability…most goals by full time d 3….ak46 18 points……….this is just a terrible lineup…20 games lost so far in reg and another 7 in o/t…looks like 50 plus by the time the season is over…

  54. avatar_58 says:

    I’m not entirely sure how I feel about this trade, as I adored Cammalleri when he first came here. I wanted him to have the C because he was passionate, vocal and skilled.

    Where did that player go? What happened? He went from “do not leave this guy alone in front of the net” to just another struggling pilon.

    I have no idea anymore. Clearly longterm contracts and fan love afairs are meaningless here. I see his jersey in my closest and just shake my head.

    Welcome Bourque, but don’t get comfy. Everyone is expendable if they don’t produce. I think Plek needs to keep an eye out because he’s next. Gionta probably was going to dealt as well, had he not been injured.

  55. habs03 says:

    Good trade, we get cap space to get a player that has been producing more and we get a lot bigger. Only players under 6’1 are Plek,Gio,DD (Gomez is gone next season so wont count him).

  56. @Boonie;
    (did they fail or not)

    I guess I am very content with making the playoffs every year. I remember Dick Irvin Jr. saying that he couldn’t believe that Montreal fans were just happy that they are barely making the playoffs. I never looked at it like that. I always thought of it as a shot at the Cup, and the only way to get that shot is to make the playoffs.

    Draft picks are so hit and miss it’s not funny. I would rather build on development of picks and make the playoffs rather than tank to get that special pick that could end up doing absolutely nothing for your team.

    I love to look back at the 2005 draft. Almost the entire first round was a miss.

    When they pick number 4 or 5 this summer, odds are they get a Pouliot, or Brule before they get Kopitar or Oshie.

    You have to be really bad to get Hall, and Hopkins and no thank you to that.

    Ask Oiler fans how they’ve felt the last decade or more. The Hawks and Pens, they won a Cup but people will always say they tanked to get there, that’s not building that’s pathetic!

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    • avatar_58 says:

      Ask Oiler fans how they feel now. I see more Oiler jerseys and hats than I ever did before.

      Habs aren’t even that level yet, so why not grab at least one top 5′er? It would make next year so much easier to have that budding star in the mix.

      Except they won’t. They’ll finish in 9th and screw it all up. A wasted year with zero chance at coming back next year.

    • CF says:

      I’ve always found it mind boggling how a television program called “Oil Change” can be formed around the re-building of a dynasty in Edmonton!!! Oil Change my ass, anyone’s blueprint of success that centers around “Oil Tanking” for several years to simply get the best players available in the draft is pathetic.
      Edmonton is an Embarassment, and listening to Tom Renney preach on the show is simply laughable.

    • savethepuck says:

      I 100% agree with what you said.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

  57. CF says:

    It’s too bad our National Broadcasting comes out of Toronto. Listening to “the panel” break down the trade was once again bias, and sickening.

    If the Toronto media, which has perfected putting the negative spin on anything Montreal were looking at the trade without their unconditional hate for everything related to Montreal, Quebec, French, non-toronto, it would be obvious that Montreal won this trade.

    I really liked Cammy, how could you not really? Except for one thing, he couldn’t win puck battles in the corners. And he wasn’t cut out to play with two other small players in Pleks and Gio, or Gomez and Gio, or DD and Gio, or DD and ………

    So, we lose a little star, an intelligent, well spoken, educated game breaker when he’s on his best. And we gain another 6’2″, 210 lbs forward, who can play like AK, great some nights, invisible maybe on others.

    Wasn’t Cammy great some nights, and invisible on others?
    I can honestly say it’s very hard turning on the t.v., radio, web, without hearing anti-Hab, anti-Montreal sentiments from the likes of TSN, Sportsnet, CBC, et al.

    I mean, come on, what do you think the past seven years has been like for southern Ontario and all their Hockey Insiders watching the Habs play excellent Hockey in the playoffs, while Brian Burke and his Management team in waiting are fuming at the gills?

    IMO, Gauthier has done well here. I called this trade last October when it seemed Bourque wasn’t fitting in anymore in Calgary. However, if Gauthier wants to continue to turn the corner, he signs AK, ASAP. With AK, Bourque, Cole, And Max Pac, we have four legitimate wingers. That is to say if Max can start to play again.

    Picking up a second round pick was great. I think it’s the first time I feel we didn’t lose a trade out right. I still say the Kaberle deal should get PG fired, but he’s done well with this. I’ll miss Cammy, there’s nobody better, outside of Crosby on his skates than Cammy, however his reluctance to play in his own end was his ondoing. I’ve posted several times that DD, Pleks, Cammy, Gio, Gomez, were just too many tiny players. I wrote a couple of months ago that of the five, we can only keep two. Well, now were down to four.

    Gio, Gomez, DD, Pleks. We can only keep two. Who’s it going to be?

    My choice, Gio and Pleks.

    • avatar_58 says:

      The hilarious thing though is that if Burke traded Grabovski and Kadri for Bourque, people would be ecstatic. You know the guy that was on FIRE last year?

      • CF says:

        Even more hilarious is listening to the lambs out of Toronto throwing Kadri in every deal possible for other teams best players. The media hype has been off the charts for years.

        Breaking news: Toronto’s fearless leader, and captain, has been voted the most overrated player in the NHL by his peers.

  58. FlyingFrenchie says:

    How far we have fallen…..
    The upper management in this organization is a disgrace.
    Could it be we will end up like this?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_dUH1ZG0No&feature=related

  59. RetroMikey says:

    One smurf gone in Mike “C”ammalleri and more I hope more.
    “C” ya!
    Let’s start tanking!!!!
    Big is better!

    “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

  60. munch17 says:

    Gomer may be coming back.
    Ok – listen up.
    Give him a chance. He was once a really good player. Yes – he is overpaid. But he is still a much better player than DD – who is fading away with our two bwst wingers ( don’t tell yhis to L’antichambre – the only one who is brave enough to point this out there is Vinny Damphousse).
    Put Gomez between these two wingers and cross your fingers. If he performs well – maybe -just maybe -someone will want him at the trade deadline. The only way he goes is if he plays well.
    Last year he played the whole year with either Pyatt , Moen or others of that ilk. He needs good wingers to feed. Make him look good!!

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Last year he was a black hole. Marting kept putting the hot player with Gomez, only to see that player cool down. It happened to Cammy, Gionta and MaxPac.

      Still you’re right – give him a chance.

      • G-Man says:

        What’s happened to MaxPac? He hasn’t done anything for weeks excepting that 1 goal against TBay.

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        • RetroMikey says:

          Let’s not worry about MaxPac, the kid is gonna be all right in the NHL.
          I’d be worried about Pleks, Gio, Weber, Gomer to name a few who we’ve got to unload.
          And tanking is the only way IMO.

          “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

        • habs001 says:

          Maxpac has played only 160 nhl games…he still has a lot to learn… he has scored better than i expected as he had so so scoring stats prior to the nhl..players.

    • CF says:

      DD is simply not a top two Center in the NHL. AHL maybe. He’s number three at best, he simply can’t compete physically against another teams top guys. The posters who think different are simply wrong. He’s boy size, playing against men, and he’s simply not fast enough to make up the difference, Gio can make it up with speed, DD- can’t.

      • RetroMikey says:

        DD will be staying on our club.
        The guy has speed and skill and will replace Gio.
        Gio is our Martin St. Louis and stong as an ox.
        I know, I’ve met the guy in Hamilton and pound for pound, he is one of the best and has so much to offer on our club than Gionta who has been a disappointment as well.
        He’s here to say and I don;t mind 1 smurf to stay on our club, that’s DD!

        “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

    • mb says:

      Totally agree. He deserves a chance like every player coming back after missing so many games. I know he’s had quite a few chances in the past, but maybe with different players it will be different.

    • savethepuck says:

      I have to question you saying DD plays with our 2 best wingers because they are Eric Cole and AK. I think MaxP gets a lot of slack on here, probably because of the Chara incident last year and how he played when he was called up last year and early this season. But for the last month, the guy’s been invisible to me. I think he only has 2 goals in his last 16 games ( an 8 goal season pace) . I admit I gave him a lot of slack until recently too, but it’s to the point that I don’t get excited when he gets the puck anymore because I’m not expecting him to do anything with it.

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      • munch17 says:

        I won’t disagree- you can say that Lars and AK ( and Cole ) have been our best forwards. Let’s just say that Max Pax has not flourished with DD and and has the potential to be a top 4 forward.

  61. HabFanSince72 says:

    One of the weirder complaints from some is the timing of the trade/firings. “They fired Pearn just before a game. They fired Martin just before the morning skate etc …”

    If you fire or trade someone during the regular season it’s always going to be “just before” or “during” something.

    • avatar_58 says:

      When is the last time they pulled a player off the ice for a trade? It’s unheard of. It’s embarassing and classless of an organization. It would be like firing an employee as he’s making a presentation to a boardroom.

      The “what if he got injured” nonsense – Why didn’t this deal go down days ago? What kind of GM is wheeling and dealing during games, when players could be injured?

      It all reeks of amatuer hour.

    • RGM says:

      It’s not weird. If you’re going to change a coach you (ideally) want to give the new coach at least a bit of time to run a couple full practices and institute a new philosophy. By canning Martin on the morning of a 3-games/4-nights stretch, Cunneyworth had no time to implement his techniques and tactics to make adjustments. They’ve had the chance to do that since, but after that string they had a couple days off where they could have made the move and given Cunneyworth an opportunity to run a couple practices as head coach…and maybe learn 12 words of French. LOL

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  62. novahab says:

    This trade was easy for PG and I think he won it hands down. Cammy is the reason JM got fired ,that why his teammate turned against him. Why the hell do you think JM used him on the PK, are you kidding me the PK. He was bitching about ice time and with that move JM lost that dressing room. Now he sent a very very strong message to that dressing room Cunnyworth is in charge. To bad all so called experts on TSN and the other Leaf’s media channels don’t know what the hell they are talking about. All they know is the Habs are down let kick them and we love the Leafs.I have a all new repect for PG and he just might have save his job.

  63. gmur says:

    Trade scenarios: based on his heartless play the last while, I would say that Plekanec wants out of Montreal too. AK is playing with some intensity, but he’s in his last year of contract, so it’s hard to say how he’ll be playing next season if he’s signed for 4-5 years.

    As for cap space, better use it to sign Price and other young players because after the shameless circus that the Canadiens have been this season, don’t bet on many UFAs joining the team this summer. Here’s the impression players could well have of the Habs: separate coach firings at inopportune moments, trade made during a game, language issues being thrown at a rookie interim coach, the media picking through anything they can find to crucify players, etc. As noted by the good people of l’Antichambre last night, all this makes Montreal a more undesirable place to play than it already was.

    Old maxim: A fish stinks from the head down…. This disorder and lack of class stems from one man: Gauthier.

    • G-Man says:

      Pleks need linemates. Every player with him this season ends up hurt or stinking the joint out.
      AK has to stay for size and goalscoring.

      UFAs are not the way to go. Overpaid and under-productive and usually in the downward spiral of their points production. Anti-chambre is another good reason for players not to come. If any player has any difficulties, they throw him under the bus with alacrity. A-hole Bergeron didn’t mention Gomez once only because Cammy was traded. Watch though, the moment Gomez is back Bergeron will renew his ranting and raving.
      This myth about the Habs being classy should be dispelled by now. They haven’t been for ages.

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      • gmur says:

        Cole has been under-productive and overpaid? If it weren’t for Cole, what players would you suggest we watch on the Canadiens these days? Gionta was a very good pickup too.

        Until he got in a snit, Cammalleri was also a good addition. Performed very well in the playoffs.

        Careful with the generalizations. Well-selected UFAs are a good way to add players.

    • Newf_Habster says:

      Not many good UFAs this year FYI

  64. roady says:

    at least he has a french sounding name….that should make some of you very happy…ppfffttt…

    take your drink to the end of the bar buddy…come on now, don’t be a fool…

  65. VJ says:

    Why is everyone so keen to trade PK now? Anyone else notice that he has a very similar career path to a certain franchise player, one of the few players on this team that shows up every night? (Price)

    Price came as a rookie and played well right up until that Allstar Selection in Montreal, then he had his own slump and look where he is now. Maturity, experience are needed and he’ll only get better. Patience is required by all! 22 year old defenseman do not dominate the league (there are always exceptions of course). This is a learning year for PK and he’ll be better and stronger because of it next year. You can already see the change in say the amount of yapping since he came into the year. It’s maturity, he’s still young. It’ll come.You just don’t give up on 22 year old Defensemen, in the same way you don’t with a goalie.

    • mb says:

      I agree. I think PK will become a great d-man. As for his need of maturity, I hope it comes soon enough, for his own sake and for the sake of his team. He seems to get impatient with the puck, which leads to bad passes in the d-zone. But he definitely will get better, I have no doubt about it.
      Let’s just give him some time.

    • avatar_58 says:

      Who is everybody? If they trade PK or Price I mean it – my love for this franchise is paper thin. I’m sick of seeing them trade players I adore and wish to see grow HERE not elsewhere.

      If Plekanec could be nutured why can’t anyone else? Why do they always trade draft-grown talent?

  66. RiverviewCanadien says:

    Boone, where are the mods?

    Can you please ban the poster Sircornflakes?

  67. mb says:

    Regarding both teams’ situation, I think it’s a good trade, not great, but not bad. However, only time will tell if it was a good decision.
    I like the fact that we got a big player to add some size, and I think Bourque is a consistant player so far, hopefully he stays that way.
    Let’s just hope fans don’t get on his case and have some patience with him, and that they don’t run him out of town.

    Looking forward to see him play on Sunday.

  68. RiverviewCanadien says:

    Go cheer for another team

  69. Sharks9 says:

    Good trade for Montreal!

    We get someone with a bit lower skill level for about 3 million dollars less AND we get the better pick out of the deal. Who knows, maybe the 2nd rounder will be another Subban?

    25 before 14

    • RGM says:

      That’s the thing – with this team you may get Subban, or you may get Ben Maxwell.

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      • Sharks9 says:

        That’s what it is with every team though. Scott Cullen did an analysis once and a 2nd round pick has a 25-30% chance of becoming an NHL regular. So not great odds but we still have a decent chance.

        25 before 14

  70. homerbowen says:

    Cammalleri had to go! While I welcome Bourque to our team not much will change until more lazy ass malcontents are moved. Gionta and Gomez are injured but are not part of our future. Gill and Kaberle should be moved at/near trade deadline, if possible. I would dangle DD as well given Gallagher is a better all round player coming up. Darche and Nokie are also not here for the long run.
    PK… what gives last night? Why don’t you just shut the f— up and play your heart out. You won’t and can’t fight and you can’t turtle forever so quit embarrassing the team and your fans.
    Pleks may be possible trade deadline bait but the return better be great.
    Move forward my Habs, time to clean house and yes PG must go too.

  71. G-Man says:

    So. Who’s next?

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  72. mb says:

    Meh.

    Why in the world would I want to click on the “Bs are the best” article.

    I mean, I don’t disagree that they are a good team but… still. I’d rather spend 5 minutes of my life not reading that! :)

  73. RGM says:

    We’ve seen it all (save for a prolonged winning streak) from this team this year. I just don’t understand it anymore, what happened to the class of the Montreal Canadiens organization?

    * Assistant coach fired 90 minutes before a game as a scapegoat.
    * Head coach fired the morning of a game while the team is on the road with 3 games in 4 nights. He is replaced by someone with no NHL head coaching experience, and a language police kerfuffle ensues because he speaks not a word of French.
    * Instead of telling the language police to stuff it, the organization apologizes to them and basically leaves the coach holding his own bag for the rest of the season.
    * And now we’re trading players in the middle of games.

    This is your 2011-12 Montreal Canadiens.

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    • Habfan10912 says:

      Good morning RGM. I agree that the method of dismissals for Pearn and Martin were not “classy” as you noted. Cammy on the otherhand really did call out his teammates and coach out the day before thus imo deserved his treatment. I am just scared that this rebuild or retool or whatever we call it is in the hands of PG.

      • RGM says:

        I don’t necessarily disagree with trading Cammalleri, but it has the same aura of taking the first offer that comes along, much like the Sergei K. or Halak deals. If Cammy was in fact available “for a month” (which I think is more organizational malarkey, and we all know what malarkey is slang for) surely Gauthier would have been shopping him in the hopes of landing the highest return for the team. Bourque may get a spark playing here, the prospect may end up being a viable NHL’er, and you never know what you’ll get with a 2nd rounder on this club: PK Subban or Ben Maxwell.

        Another aspect I don’t like about the deal being made in-game – the Habs only had 11 forwards when the night began, so the swap meant they played with 10 for the final 20 minutes. Now, I’m sure that it’s unlikely Nokelainen, Blunden, and Darche were going to get a lot of ice time anyways, but it’s another example of the organization undercutting the on-ice product.

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    • RiverviewCanadien says:

      I agree about the whole Pearn thing and language thing, but I like how they handled the Cammalleri trade.

      Mike called out his line mates, called the team losers, bitched about ice time, never took responsibility for his own crappy on-ice performance. He dissed my favorite hockey team to the media knowing it was going to cause this firestorm.

      Good Riddance.

  74. RiverviewCanadien says:

    Nope, got me confused with someone else.

    Really buddy? Nothing better to do than be a moron?

  75. avatar_58 says:

    Shame they couldn’t have traded Gio instead

  76. avatar_58 says:

    It bothers me too knowing that it’s not ALL his fault. How about Gio, who couldn’t even hit the damn net while healthy? Gomez (ugh)? Ak46 having long stretches of “nothing” last year? Pacioretty unable to hit anything but the crest? The terrible D?

    What would Cammy look like with big linemates, something this team didn’t even really try. He was attached to Plek at the hip. So if Pleks doesn’t light it up with his new linemates….what then? Who’s fault is it then?

  77. The Cat says:

    Absolutely, he showed up last night and played very good.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  78. RiverviewCanadien says:

    I wished he had of cashed in on that chance last night.

    A little more speed from him would be nice, but I have liked him thus far.

  79. Hobie Hansen says:

    Blundedn bugs me. I’m sure he’s a nice guy, he does work and makes steady plays.

    But there were 3 or 4 guys that were available this summer that were just as reliable that play with more of an edge.

    Shawn Thornton challenged Blunden earlier in the year and he ran for his life.

    Why would we sign a 6’3″ forth liner who’s scared of his own shadow?

    With all the talk about toughness and how we got tossed around last year we sign a big forth liner who can’t fight? WTF?

  80. Kooch7800 says:

    injuries kind of hurt deals…lol. I think Cammy is also more tradeable than GIO but game in and out Gio is a more consistent forward who gets his nose dirty. He lead this team in goals the last couple years and this year has just been a big dissapointment for him. Look for him to score 30 goals next year cause he will have bigger line mates

  81. mb says:

    +1

    Cammy still had a couple of years left on his contract as well. That didn’t prevent anything.

  82. avatar_58 says:

    Cammy is evidence of that. Term is meaningless to me now

  83. boonie says:

    Contract term is only one of the problems. There is an unwillingness to admit what this team is — a bottom third team. Bourque doesn’t change that, so why trade for him. We’re not likely to dump an unnecessary contract (ref, Gomez, S.)

    Calgary shopped Bourque all year — no takers. Carolina shopped Kaberle — no takers. The Rangers shopped Gomez — no takers. We take other people’s garbage. And we give up assets to boot.

  84. avatar_58 says:

    That’s what I mean though, shame Gio was injured. Should have been traded away earlier. I’m sorry but Gio has all the same flaws as Cammy, except Cammy is more of a pure talent scorer.

    Gio hasn’t impressed me this season at all. His time is numbered regardless of the C.

  85. avatar_58 says:

    But why wasn’t he given more chances here away from Plek / DD /etc? Why didn’t they stick him with Eller and AK/Pax/Cole for a few games?

    Nope always tried for a shift then back to Plek.

    I hate to say it but Plek is turning into a black hole ala Gomez….

  86. avatar_58 says:

    Because White is injured. White would bump Blunden back to hamilton

  87. montreal ace says:

    Blumden had 5 hits last night, I know he is not a fighter but he will drop his gloves. He is just starting to get ice time and I feel he opens up the ice for others, he also goes to the net.

  88. boonie says:

    How does this trade accelerate our rebuild? The core piece is Bourque, who is not an asset for the long haul. The secondary stuff is nice, but we should have maximized the long term value trading Cammi.

  89. ABHabsfan says:

    Holy Crap, HH! That’s a bunch of positive stuff in there, and I agree. Patrick Holland seems like a better bet to play in the NHL than Rammo. I would have rather seen a 2nd this yr but whatever.

  90. citizenSanto says:

    @ doubleH
    +1

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  91. TomNickle says:

    We acquired a 2nd round pick and a project prospect. That’s how.

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  93. ABHabsfan says:

    I’m on the + side as well, though I hate to see a guy get traded when he just had a house built and welcomed a new baby, but that’s pro-sports guess. My big issue is with the timing, Pearn fired right before a game, JM same though RC actually had about 6 more hrs to figure it out. Now trade Cammy in the middle of a game? No class from the Office. Regardless of how the trade pans out, PG should be canned for the WAY he does things, not necessarily what he does.

  94. Kooch7800 says:

    I like eller but he isn’t exactly lighting it up offensively. Think of the speed that line would have with Blunden and moen. They all like to grind and have good speed.

    With Gio out someone has to move

  95. HABSGUARDIANANGEL says:

    camm , gio, gomez, dd, pleks, all undersized,

    diaz, weber, (georges?) undersized,

    so sice georges is locked and DD is french, move everyone else out of here. they all have value, minus gomez.

  96. mb says:

    They’d still complain.

  97. DorvalTony says:

    TSN = Leafs TV

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  98. boonie says:

    How much is Bourque worth? If it’s the difference between a first and second, then I would have preferred that. If he’s not worth that much than we picked up yet another contract.

  99. boonie says:

    I respectfully (very respectfully) agree to disagree. I have given up on this year, so adding pieces that contribute to this year doesn’t interest me. Assuming that there’s a cost to adding current and future pieces, i’d prefer to spend all our chips on the future.

  100. boonie says:

    The best time to start growing a bonsai tree was yesterday. The second best time is today. There’s no point in putting off the inevitable.

    Adding Bourque to make us better now, doesn’t give us a better pick, takes time away from developing/testing younger players and may have cost us a better pick in this (or an alternate deal for Cammi).

    It’s not like Rene is 24 and getting better. He’s in or just beyond his prime. Like Gomez and Gionta were when we picked them up.

  101. TomNickle says:

    My advice would be to just stop looking at the deal on paper. Bourque is Cammalleri’s equal in scoring and adds a physical element. In addition, we traded a goalie who would have never put on a Habs jersey and a 5th round pick for a 2nd round pick(likely to be a high one) and a prospect who is developing fairly well.

    In so doing, we got rid of a player that wasn’t liked by teammates and wasn’t producing.

    That makes the balance sheet better, provides more flexibility in signing free agents, adds size to the lineup, adds a good draft pick and a nice prospect.

    What’s not to like about this trade both from a rebuilding and today perspective?

  102. Vladdy Mondavi says:

    In my opinion, TSN is a lot less Leafs TV than Sportsnet.

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  103. citizenSanto says:

    minchia!

  104. Bobcat Bob says:

    Bobcat Bob
    I think you will find that Cammelleri is the guy with no class!!!!!


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