Back to the drawing board

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The Canadiens prepare for a busy weekend at the Bell Centre: the surprising Senators Saturday night, the high-flyin’ Rangers on Sunday.
René Bourque will be available for the latter game.

Dave Stubbs on the trade

Pat Hickey’s game story

Bourque brings size

Cammalleri keen on Calgary

Bob McKenzie’s analysis

Philippe Cantin on the air of panic

François Gagnon on the trade

TSN By the Numbers analysis

Flames making playoff run

Bs are the best

René Bourque highlight reel:

406 Comments

  1. foghorn11 says:

    lucic is a coward and yellow picks his spots lucy wont fight anyone his size or smaller unlees he has a big advantage he wouldnt fight larague but wanted a pieced of koivu

    t lett

  2. Dunboyne Mike says:

    Mr Hickey’s assertion that the Bruins are currently the best.

    Whether true or not, to me they look better than they did last year.

    And although Lucic continues regularly to play dirty (and get away with it), and Marchand’s underhandedness is showing no sophomore slump, it looks to me like Boston’s success this season is due much more to their talent and work and coaching.

    Which is why I thought the way the Habs played last night and the final scoreline (beaten by one bizarre goal) were encouraging, especially considering all the problems and uncertainty besetting the team.

    Doesn’t mean we make the playoffs, but proves the flame still flickers.

  3. Cardiac says:

    So I’m gonna throw my two cents in on the trade.

    Look at it like this… Cammalleri put up career numbers in 2008-09, a year where was knew he was playing for a new contract. Coincidence? You be the judge.

    Rather than opting to re-sign him, the Flames were in the middle of a fire sale and let their top goal scorer walk. Why? Did they feel he wouldn’t be able to replicate those numbers again? Again, you be the judge.

    The Habs sign him to a very lucrative contract, paying him top team dollars (next to Gomez of course.) Since then, it’s no secret that he was a disappointment, a slow and steady decline of a supposed natural goal scorer. Meanwhile, every other player who finished on top of the scoring chart in 2008-09 has maintained their level of excellence (i.e. Vanek, Nash, Staal). Heck, even Parise has score more goals in the past 3+ seasons and he missed almost all of last year.

    I guess my point is perhaps we made Cammalleri out to be better than he was. Sure he had his moments of brillance, but it’s clear to be he fed off a great player like Iginla. Look at what happened to Cheechoo after he stopped playing with Thorton. Maybe he will bring his numbers up now that he’s playing with Iginla again, but I doubt he will ever come close to scoring 39 again.

    In the grand scheme of things, Calgary have now put themselves in a very sticky situation. They have now committed to $3 million dollars more on their salary cap, money they potentially don’t have. Occording to Capgeek, once their team gets fully healthy, they will now have to shed $2.5 million.

    “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
    - Jerry Maguire

  4. HABZZZ says:

    This team needs our support now more then ever so here is an idea. If you are a true Habs fans go out and cheer your team on and be supportive of their efforts. And those that don’t like what is going on please stay home. By doing that you can show your displeasure of the whole organization. Paid for empty seats speak volumes to the ownership group and management. For you to show up and just boo and vent does nothing but bring this team down even more. These players always say they don’t hear a lot going on but you know they do. And when they make a good play even if they don’t score cheer them on. You will be surprised how much that means to them and they will try just a little harder to get that goal. Don’t be a Cancer !!

  5. habfan53 says:

    OK it has been about 14 hours since THE TRADE.
    Boy last night was really something !!
    The first reactions were incredable almost everybody calling Gauthier a liar because he said that this had been in the works since last month. Funny how nobody called Jay Fiester a liar for saying the same thing and I’m not just talking about the fans I mean Kyprios, McLean and MacKenzie (last night) too.
    Most were saying panic move, Gauthier got fleeced, fire sale is on.

    Now my perspective. Because we Canadiens fans tend to make gods of our heroes Cammi was put on a pedestal but REALLY lets look at a comparison.
    Age between Cammelari and Bourque is the same
    GOAL production over the last 4 years basically the same
    Assists slight edge to Cammelari
    Cap hit BIG advantage with Bourque (2.7 mil ) we can use that for Carey.
    Size and grit no comparison edge to Bourque.
    Playoff production Big edge to Mike however Bourque has not been in the post season since 08-09.

    I see this trade as beneficial to both teams Mike will be reunited with Iggy and will prosper like Leclair did with Lindros, and Rene will come here and score 25-30 goal a year and be put on a pedestal also.

    to paraphrase Nixon: If the Bruins do it, it is not illegal

  6. slim wallet says:

    It surprises me how much the Habs defense gets slagged. The Bruins have been blowing teams out. 9-0? The Habs PK has been solid. The Habs offense is as dry as a desert, and they still alow opponents easy exits from their zones. The other night against the Blues, the Habs were on the PP. The puck gets dumped in on the left wing. Cammalleri coasts in from the right wing. It was his job to get on the defenseman fast. Instead, the defenseman picks up the puck, has time to turn and fire the puck right up the middle of the ice the length of rink. Cmmy did not seem interested at all in getting there first. We’ve seen how the Bruins and the Blues work the offensive zone. They go hard, they take away time. Maybe the Habs are playing with a losing mentality, a lack of belief in themselves that they didn’t have last year or the year before that. We only saw the best of the Habs when they had to turn it on, to come from behind which they seemed capable of doing up to this year. I think it’s a little early to consider blowing the whole thing up. Yeah, Kaberle’s soft but his minutes have been managed and he has brought a steadying influence to the PP. Unfortunately he has been setting up PK who has not delivered on the point shot. I think PK’s the real deal, he’s just a young guy thinking too much out there and with a hell of a lot on his shoulders as the #1 D-man. It’s a bad year, better to ride it out. A fire sale isn’t the way to maximize your return on players. I’m not saying there aren’t guys who could go at the deadline to help playoff teams, but really, how much are you going to get in return?

    BTW, it is not PG’s hockey decisions that I deplore as much as his management, leadership and inter-relation skills. He has a lot in common with the Tin Man. Off to see the Wizard!

  7. The Dude says:

    I like this trade but I don’t like the style of Gauthier.He is a politician and does not take responsibility for his past judgments and actions.My biggest consern is he gets the boot after a blow up and leaves the next G . M . a big doo doo to impossibly work with.Again thank-you St Lou and Boston for once again pointing out what a ship o fools this teams Managment has been with their Smurf technology ,lol….

  8. RiverviewCanadien says:

    I hope Bourque can bring some of this.

  9. HABZZZ says:

    Cammy it was a great run with you last year and for that we thank you. But talk to management if you want out and dont be a hypocrite. If you cant say what went on in the room then how can you throw your team under the bus to the media? And to you guys in the media that want a french speaking team good luck. Now all the teams with underachieving french players can line up to pick our pockets so we can sign them. If this is a start to the salary dumping how can Mr Molson leave Gautier in place to do this ? He is only looking out for himself now because after Montreal he will get no other offers in the NHL unless it involves taping up sticks. I get the feeling that a small portion of fans in Montreal won’t be happy until the whole team goes down the drain and don’t really care about this once great franchise . They only want to stir up crap to further their own agenda. A SAD SAD DAY for true fans !

  10. SBAH says:

    Here is next years Projected Salary outlook.

    Gomez, Scott » $7,357,143
    Plekanec, Tomas » $5,000,000
    Gionta, Brian » $5,000,000
    Cole, Erik » $4,500,000
    Bourque, Rene » $3,333,333
    Kostitsyn, Andrei » UFA
    Pacioretty, Max » $1,625,000
    Moen, Travis » UFA
    Eller, Lars » RFA

    Desharnais, David » $850,000
    Darche, Mathieu » UFA
    White, Ryan » RFA
    Blunden, Mike » RFA
    Nokelainen, P. » RFA

    Markov, Andrei » $5,750,000
    Kaberle, Tomas » $4,250,000
    Gorges, Josh » $3,900,000
    Gill, Hal » UFA
    Campoli, Chris » UFA
    Emelin, Alexei » RFA
    Diaz, Raphael » RFA
    Subban, P.K. » RFA
    Weber, Yannick » $850,000

    Price, Carey » RFA
    Budaj, Peter » $1,150,000

    TOTAL $43,565,476
    AVAILABLE $20,434,524

    • CalgaryHab says:

      I’m not sure to laugh or cry. There are some terribly glaring contracts listed. However with the right GM this isn’t as bad as it looks. (we can’t afford to keep PG with all the decisions that need to be made!)

      It takes a smart man to know when he’s stupid – Barney Rubble

  11. Habfan29 says:

    I Love it Bobby Dollas making Tony Marinaro nuts on Team 990

    • Chuck says:

      Agreed! Marinaro obviously has his own agenda.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Me too. I wished Tony would shut up for a minute and listen. He might learn something.

      • Chuck says:

        He’s only interested in hearing his own point of view. Notice how he doesn’t interrupt anyone who agrees with him, regardless of how flawed their argument is.

        One of his doozies: he’s against Bourque because his contract runs for two years longer than Cammalleri, and thus the Habs are ‘stuck’ with him. Uh, Tony, they just traded Cammy… there’s no guarantee that Bourque ends his contract here, either.

  12. Mattyleg says:

    Something I’d like to share with you all; this was written by HABSGUARDIANANGEL below, in response to me saying that Cedrick Desjardins is not French.

    “youre 100% wrong Cedric Dejardin is french, not born in france true, but not all french people are from france or quebec, hahah amzing somone can think like you do, quite sad for 2012.
    hes from nb true, but born and raised french. big french community in NB too. fyi.
    and my point mentioning it is because french speaking player and management oull alittle wight in the habs orginaization, have you been hiding under a rock?”

    Soooo, it seems that people still think -in 2012, as he pointed out- that French (which means ‘from France’) can be used to describe people who speak that language, rather than ‘Francophone’, which I guess I don’t understand the meaning of. Also, that Acadians don’t exist, but are merely ‘French’ people living in New Brunswick. Born and raised singing La Marseillaise, and voting for President.

    And if anyone can tell me what “oull alittle wight” means in English, I’d appreciate it. I don’t have access to a dictionary here under my rock.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • NCRhabsfan says:

      I wonder how real French people feel about that?

      • Les Canayens says:

        French people from France: “Les Canadiens? Je croyais que c’est votre équipe nationale. Ah il faut parler français pour y jouer? Je n’ai pas entendu du français dans le vestiaire. J’entend l’anglais, et c’est quoi la langue que les journalistes parlent?”

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        ☞ I can’t really hear what Jeremy says, because I’ve got my two Stanley Cup rings plugging my ears.☜

    • Vladdy Mondavi says:

      Wish I could help you, MattyLeg. But I believe we’re under the same sematological rock. … that’s right, I be making up words again.

      _______________________________
      Opinions are like kittens, I’m giving them away.

    • secretdragonfly says:

      Thanks for the chuckle, Matty.

    • Sean Bonjovi says:

      Not all French speaking nèo-brunswickois are Acadians. People named Desjardins from the part of the province Cedrick Desjardins come from are generally the ones who aren’t.

      “Max Pacioretty could be our Phil Kessel”
      - Sean Bonjovi

  13. Les Canayens says:

    Q: What do you think about last game?

    Cunneyworth: Je ne suis pas content.

    Q: Can you comment on the Cammalleri trade?

    Cunneyworth: Je suis très content.

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    ☞ I can’t really hear what Jeremy says, because I’ve got my two Stanley Cup rings plugging my ears.☜

  14. moester says:

    Wow Gagnon’s entire article smells of wounded pride.

    Jeez Francois go cry about it!

    Trashing Cammy doesn’t make you look good and ignoring the fact that Cammy played a smart defensive game and broke up at least two scoring chances while he was on the ice prove that Gagnon couldn’t see Cammy doing anything but questioning Gagnon’s integrity.

    • mb says:

      I don’t care about François Gagnon, so I won’t defend him.

      But Cammalleri playing a smart defensive game? Really? He just can’t backcheck at all, in case you didn’t notice. Not a good defensive game in any way.

    • Les Canayens says:

      Unfortunately there’s too many drama queen sport “journalists” and too few real hockey analysts like Dany Dubé and Gérard Gagnon (non relation to and not to be confused with François) who can put the soap opera aside and actually analyse and report the games as is.

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      ☞ I can’t really hear what Jeremy says, because I’ve got my two Stanley Cup rings plugging my ears.☜

  15. habs03 says:

    Sent Gomez away, Gill for a 2nd rounder, Campoli for a 5th, Moen for a 3rd.

    Sign Bryan Allen at 3 years/3.5 Sign Ruutu at 4 years/4M, resign A.Kost for 3 years 4M.

    Bourque-Pleck-Gionta
    Patches-DD-Cole
    Ruutu-Eller-A.Kost

    you basically have 3 “2nd lines” and for D, you have no true 1st pairing but 3 good 2nd pairing..

    Markov-Emelin
    Gleason-Subban
    Kaberle-Gorges
    Daiz

    • HABSGUARDIANANGEL says:

      I wanna see player who take the body like backes, but since he captain th eblue, be hard to pull that one of, I like clutterbuck too, think hes gonna lead the season in hits for a forward again, and he can put it int he net too.

  16. DrA says:

    Enough tinkering. We need to not finish 8th again. 13th-15th is fine, meaning of top six pick next draft. Who could they get? Also, Campoli and Gill are gone traded or not resigned. The one unknown is AK. What a dilemma? He fits our new direction. Why overpay someone else. I would stick with Gionta and Gomez one more year. The first is a choice. The second is because no one will bite (unless you get a GM really drunk).

    • j0nHABS says:

      Gomez one more year? no thank you. I will protest!

    • NCRhabsfan says:

      Nope, barring a resurrection of biblical proportions, Gomez is done. He may finish the year in Montreal, but he won’t be back with a $7M+ cap hit. I doubt anyone will take a flyer on him, so he’ll end up in Europe or the AHL. Unless there is a change in the CBA that lets the Habs escape the cap hit, I think that cuts the hit in half for the Habs. They still have to pay him, that’s a sunk cost, but it frees up $3.5M for a player that might actually contribute something.

      I think Gio will be back next year, and I think that’s a good thing. What will be interesting is what happens when/if Gallagher is ready for the big time. I don’t know that the Habs will want to have 3 diminutive forwards at the same time again (Gio,DD, Gallagher). Happily that decision is a ways off.

  17. j0nHABS says:

    This trade is a wait and see thing.

    Bourque is big and we all know that we needed that. His commitment level comes in to question but Cunny might be able to get it out of him. The 2nd rounder is nice!, could be used for trades or kept for a prospect. Holland ( I don’t know enough) but 57 pts in 40 WHL games is pretty good stats and his totals have only gone up in the past 4 years so he is most likely is improving his game ( I know he is a 7th rounder but who knows).

    Cammy is going to do well again in Calgary so we better be prepared for that. Iggy is going to be setting him up all over the ice. But because Cammy does well that doesn’t mean that this is a bad trade. We’ll just have to wait and see if Bourque will step it up here in Montreal.

    Bourque is not enough though to make a big impact. DD, Darche, Weber, Diaz, Kaberle because he sucks and didn’t really help the PP that much!, Even though I like him but it’s time Gill retires (he’s just to slow and laying in front of the net on the PK is just not good enough), and of course Gomez (he’ll have to wait until the off season most likely), all have to go for this team to be good again!

    Do it now PG, don’t wait for the deadline

  18. RiverviewCanadien says:

    @TomNickle
    You posted this:

    I could see Plekanec being traded as well. It’s just very difficult to do and an unlikely scenario with one of his best friends having just been acquired.

    Who are you talking about (best friend being acquired)? Regardless, I really hope Pleks remains with this team. I think he is one of the best two way forwards who can play in all situations.

  19. boonie says:

    Timeline…

    2007/08, we finish first. 2008/09 start strong, foist an unready Carey Price into the starting role and stumble to the gate, firing Carbo along the way. Contrary to popular discussion, Gainey didn’t blow up the team, he let player walk for NOTHING. That summer he adds Cammi (now gone), Gionta same production as Saku at twice the price, trades for Gomez and rounds out the crew with veteran retreads (some stuck, like Gill, some gone like Spacek).

    Somehow, management believes that the current squad is merits a better fate than complete implosion. Add Kaberle. Add Bourque. Re-sign Gorges. Lots of moves that suggest a retool is in order. And yet, we keep sinking.

    The classic Tylenol case is a must read for management types. When you have a disaster, own up to it and fix the problem. Hiding behind rhetoric is a coward’s approach that may fool some people for a while, but erodes the product and its customers in the long run.

  20. joeybarrie says:

    Michael Cammalleri being my favorite player (until last night) never really reached his potential here, except in the playoffs.
    Maybe we have too many small guys for it to work for him.
    But we saved 3 mill. We got a potential 30 goal scorer. He is dirty and big. Something we need more of.
    only down side for me is personal feelings and Cammi being taken from a game. Maybe to send a message.
    But I look to the future and positives.
    Cole, DD, MaxPac
    Bourque, Pleks, AK
    Not too bad.
    Gomez and Eller need a scoring partner and we have 3 pretty decent lines.
    Markov ever comes back and our D looks less inexperienced and better.
    Its possible for the playoffs, but unlikely. Ok VERY UNLIKELY.
    But this season of experience is great for our kids and I’m looking forward to next season.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  21. --Habs-- says:

    Hopefully a few more trades are coming.

  22. JF says:

    For the moment, I like this trade. We get a bigger, more physical player who can also score, we get a second round draft pick and a prospect, we clear cap space. Unless there are more negatives about René Bourque than I’ve heard, I’m a bit puzzled about why Calgary would make this deal. If Iginla and Cammalleri can’t rekindle their magic from 2009, they’ll be the losers. When Gomez and Gionta came here, one of the positives cited was their chemistry in New Jersey. That didn’t work out all that well. In addition, Calgary gets back a one-dimensional player whom some there described as selfish, they take on more salary and cap, and they lose a physical presence. Are they counting on Ramo to play for them; it certainly seems he was never going to play for us.

    • joeybarrie says:

      Cammi is a winner. The Flames will make the playoffs, and Cammi will end the season with very close to 30 goals.
      I think both teams did well here. Doesn’t always have to be a clear winner in a trade.

      There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

      • TomNickle says:

        What has Cammalleri won since College?

        • aemarchand11 says:

          The hearts of many young women.. and maybe some young men (Tony).

        • joeybarrie says:

          C’mon. Look at his playoff stats. It takes a whole team to win a cup. Ray Bourque would never have won one without moving to Colorado. If he didn’t move he would still be a winner.

          There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

      • DorvalTony says:

        Cammi’s never won anywhere. Like Koivu.

        ——————————–
        “Okay, everybody take a Valium.”

      • Kooch7800 says:

        I think Cammy will start scoring if he is with Iginla cause Iginla is that good. Cammy was never going to flourish in Montreal cause the team is too small.

        I would find it a pretty big stretch if he gets close to 21 goals in the second half.

        I like Calgary but man their team for the future is in way worse shape than the canadiens. All their stars are aging and they have nothing in the cupboard. That is poor management.

    • --Habs-- says:

      For Calgary’s perspective they added a little punch to the PP. Other than that 5 on 5 Cammy is a liability. He won’t go into or win corner battles, he won’t get in front of the net in the heavy traffic areas. He’s a perimeter single dimensional player. We’ve seen it time and time again. For what you get he does his job.
      Habs have added some size, toughness and a player who will score big goals, go into corners and win battles and go to the dirty areas. kinda what we’ve been missing Is he a 40 50 goal scorer no! A 30 goal scorer with some attitude. Thats not a bad thing. Lets not forget Cammy isn’t a consistent 40 goal scorer either. He did it what once.
      Cammy scored 39 goals once and 34 once. Coming our way a player who can and has hovered around 25 to 30 and is looking to reapeat that consistency. Good trade both ways in my eyes but in my eyes Habs advantage.


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