Back to the bargaining table on Friday

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The NHL and the NHLPA will return to the bargaining table on Friday in New York, which will be the first negotiations since Sept. 12 and will focus on non-core economic issues.

NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly told reporters in Toronto on Tuesday that the league is looking for some movement from the NHLPA because the league tabled the most recent offer.

“Obviously, we’ve got to talk before you can get a deal, so I think it’s important to get the talks going again,” Daly told The Canadian Press. “But you also have to have something to say. I think it’s fair to say we feel like we need to hear from the players’ association in a meaningful way because I don’t think that they’ve really moved off their initial proposal, which was made more than a month ago now.”

Paul Brownfield of the New York Times wrote an interesting essay recently on how hockey fans are irrelevant in the business of the NHL. You can read that essay by clicking here.

If you’re in need of a hockey fix, RDS will televise a 1972 Summit Series special Tuesday at 7:30 p.m. and TSN will be showing Game 8 of the Summit Series on Wednesday at 7:30 p.m.

For live hockey action, the first game in Le Tournee des Joueurs, a series of exhibition games with locked-out NHLers being organized by Max Talbot and Bruno Gervais, will be held at 7 p.m. Thursday at Chateauguay’s Centre Multisports. Canadiens expected to take part in the game include Brian Gionta, David Desharnais, Josh Gorges, Colby Armstrong and possibly Carey Price. Tickets cost $20.

Read more about that game by clicking here.

(Photo by Mary Altaffer/The Associated Press)

122 Comments

  1. Phil C says:

    Does anyone know why the Habs and Leafs make so much more money than the other teams? The Leafs generate almost double the league average in revenue. It can’t be the gate, because a lot of the other teams sell out. I believe NHL merchandise is split 30 ways, as well as the National TV contracts. The only thing I can think of is the regional TV contracts because they do not have to share with the rest of the league.

    • Bripro says:

      I would argue that the gate has a lot to do with it, as well as the team’s popularity elsewhere.
      How much are tickets for prime seating in Edmonton or Calgary, compared to Montreal?
      And I doubt too many arenas charge $10-12 for a beer.
      And the Habs jerseys and paraphernalia are world-rekowned, hence probably charge and sell more.
      And you’re more than likely bang on with the local TV coverage.

    • commandant says:

      1) Price of tickets is considerably higher in Toronto. Highest ticket price in the league, (Montreal is second). Toronto is so high, their tickets are 25-50% more than Habs tickets.

      2) They also charge more for concessions, parking, and other things.

      3) Local TV and Radio contracts are much more lucrative in these markets. Better ratings, competition between networks to get them, etc…

      4) Merchandise is only split equally if sold in a national store. Stuff sold at the ACC goes to the Leafs. Stuff sold at any store owned by the Leafs, goes to the Leafs. Same for habs.

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  2. kempie says:

    FWIW, Cédrick Desjardins, Frédéric St-Denis and Aaron Palushaj have signed with the Bdogs.

  3. HabsFanMTL says:

    i’ve said it before and i’ll say it again. Its time to say good bye to the NHL and make it Canada’s game only, with the teams we have already plus quebec, hamilton, saskatoon, or wherever make it an only in canada league, we love our hockey up here and there will be no empty seats anywhere, ok well perhaps edmonton….

    • Habitant in Surrey says:

      …I used to think Your thinking as pie-in-the-sky, but the more I see the NHL going down the road, the more I am coming around to the idea that an autonomous Canadian Hockey League is fiscally sustainable

      …elite-level professional hockey in Canada is at the mercy of Americans and decisions made in New York …the average American can live with or without hockey …it is just another ‘option’ as an athletic diversion …yet, in Canada, for the average Canadian, hockey is core to our culture and soul, as much as it is ‘a sport’

      …the US can have it’s North American ‘division’, and Canada it’s own autonomous division …both division champions can compete for the Stanley Cup in the Spring as before, but the Cup would be the ‘property’ of Canadians, and competed for by 2 Canadian teams if for any reason the US ‘division’ can not compete for reasons like a lock-out, strike, or other reasons

      …I would be very surprised if elite-level professional hockey is not fiscally self-sustainable if played exclusively across Canada

      • Cal says:

        Unfortunately, the Canadian league would become second-rate. Almost all of the highest paid stars are playing in the US. Those players are the selling point of the league, not only in the US, but Canada. Who’d care enough to pay a premium ticket price for the Penguins without Crosby, Letang and Fleury?
        We’d be on the outside looking in just as the WHA was.
        Just imagine the contracts offered to all the Canadian star players.

        • Bripro says:

          I’m not so sure.
          Given that Toronto and Montreal alone probably bail out 8-12 teams in the U.S….
          Can you see having the Bruins, Flyers and Rangers bailing out 15 teams +/-?
          And there’s no question that the Habs and Laffs could easily afford the same lever of lucrative contract.
          I would rather we keep seeing some US teams, like the original six, but I have to agree that the NHL, under Butthead’s watch, has turned into a laughing stock.
          Next think you know, he’s going to be inquiring as to whether or not the NFL replacement officials can skate.

    • boing007 says:

      Agree one hundred per cent. Canada vs. US for the Stanley Cupé

      Richard R
      Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  4. kempie says:

    Looks like the NFL have reached a deal with the officials. I wonder if the replacements were “instructed” to really stink the joint out Monday night to speed up negotiations.

  5. Habitant in Surrey says:

    Bruce Arthur; NationalPost: “It was perfect that the Lingerie Football League posted a statement from commissioner Mitchell Mortaza on its Facebook page that read, “Because of the LFL’s perception it is that much more critical for us to hire officiating crews that are competent, not only for the credibility of our game but to keep our athletes safer. Due to several on-field incompetent officiating we chose to part ways with a couple crews which apparently are now officiating in the NFL. We have a lot of respect for our officials but we felt the officiating was not in line with our expectations.”

    When the Lingerie Football League makes you look like a laughingstock, you have had a very bad day.

    All this came about because the NFL has developed the arrogance of empires, the arrogance of Rome, leading to a staggering disregard for its fans, its players, and its product. That arrogance required the soaring TV ratings and revenues that buried stories of suicides, of concussion lawsuits from former players, and a growing understanding of the damage the game can do to its participants. And it required untrammeled greed for more.

    This is a league that thinks it is too big to fail, and has not been shown a reliable financial metric that says otherwise, and is all of a sudden getting clowned by the guy who runs a league full of barely-dressed women that itself should probably be investigated by more than one Labour Relations Board. Rome never thought it would fail, either, but the barbarians came.

    It took all of that for the NFL to break in front of everybody. This is the worst emptiness of corporate America, its disregard for people, the hollow place at its core. We all should have known that by the way the NFL has treated head injuries; we probably did know, all of us. But this pushed the vacancy out in front of everybody. Roger Goodell always talks about the integrity of the shield, but he is as empty as a football. Now the players are revolting, and the broadcast partners are howling, and as Packers tight end Tom Crabtree wrote on Twitter, “Imagine you make a painting. It isn’t perfect by others’ standards, but it’s your painting. You are proud. Then someone takes a s— on it.”

    That’s the NFL’s slogan right now. Put it on a T-shirt, and sell it to the rubes.”

    …kind of says it all about pro-sports, including the NHL, nowadays, huh ?

    • Propwash says:

      I wonder if Vince McMahon is thinking of rebooting the XFL….

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  6. longtimehabsfan says:

    So it takes them 15 days to meet again and this time for “non-core economic issues.” Bargaining at a snail’s pace.

    “It’s a moo point. Like a cow’s opinion, it doesn’t matter. It’s moo.”

  7. HabinBurlington says:

    Explanation of the Yakupov ban is in this link.

    Essentially his transfer card was not signed because Sarnia believes he is their property.

    http://sports.nationalpost.com/2012/09/26/nail-yakupov-suspended-oilers-pick-playing-in-khl-during-nhl-lockout/

  8. The Dude says:

    Another prediction made by me years ago is coming to Canadians everywhere….Justin Trudeau in going to run for the leadership of the Liberials and when that day happens you can start to say Good-by Harper” back to the States with you”.

  9. nunacanadien says:

    I wonder if there would be room once again for competition to the NHL, like the old WHL, used to be fun to watch the various teams, especially the Great One when the Oilers were in the WHL. Maybe with Bettman at the helm of the NHL, it is doomed to fail.

    Maybe the NHLPA could start its own league. Might be worth considering.

    But it is Bettman who creates the atmosphere where money losing teams like Tampa, LA and others pay huge outrageous salaries for superstars, and even with sold out arenas, the huge salaries do not compensate and they don’t really have a tv audience to compensate.

    Maybe its time Hockey In The USA be reconsidered……for the good of hockey. Maybe it’s time to call of the experiment Bettman, let them go.

  10. HabFanSince72 says:

    Kharma.

    Union-busting creep governor of Wisconsin Scott Walker is upset because union-busting creeps cost his Packers a football game.

    HA HA.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/football/nfl/09/25/scott-walker-packers-seahawks.ap/index.html


    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

  11. Timo says:

    Yaaaawwn! Man… this is going to be a slow day.
    Why do I work?

  12. The Dude says:

    Perfect timing for a Fan strike…

  13. Breaking: Yakupov banned from KHL! May be forced to join Galchenyuk on the Sarnia Sting!
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  14. Galchenyuk is the only drafted Hab chosen to be eligible for recall from CHL when hockey returns this season…

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  15. bigjames says:

    ok i admit i have not read every post over the last two weeks, although i have read quite a few

    i am firmly in the players’ camp. i think the owners’ position is not tenable for a number of reasons that have been well articulated on these pages.

    that said, i have an issue with the notion that the players are the employees and the product.

    clearly they are the employees.

    but the product is a hockey game. not the players. the players are a very important part of the game, but in order for us as fans to have the thrill of the game, the competition, the uncertainty as to who will win or lose in any game, there are a lot of factors at work.

    ask NFL fans now what the product is without good refs? (yes i hear the chris lee rasberries).

    but seriously, what does it take to bring the product of a hockey game to fans?

    1) players, from both home and away teams
    2) venue
    3) travel costs and logistics of away team
    4) refs (booooo! ok but we need them)
    5) front office staff
    6) coaching staff
    7) medical staff
    8) all the logistics staff
    9) cute girls that make announcements during breaks
    10) Youppie
    11) etc etc

    i’m sure i have forgotten some stuff.

    but the point is that the players are paid for their central role in the game. and so they should be. but please let’s not get into the trap of the players being the only thing that matters.

    i want the best in the NHL and i think the owners need to wake up and realize they have a good gig.

    Jeff Molson (who i like) is an owner in his 40s. only freaks like chelios keep earning from the game up to his age. pay the players well for their gladiatorial epheremal careers. stop stupid hypocracy of owners like minny.

    personally i think bettman should be fired but how can that be done? hockey is a great sport, and we should demand that it get back on track.

    there has got to be some avenue of arbitration and i am shocked none has been suggested.

    big james rant over.

    best to you all!

    • HabinBurlington says:

      You bring up some good points James, and I think the most important one is that both the players and owners need each other in order to be successful at what each of them do best. Too bad the two sides can’t sit down openly and honestly and find a way to do this as best as possible to help each other.

      Instead each side is trying to make sure they “win” and get more than the other one. Eventually this pigheadedness will lead to a further destroyed game where now neither side will get as much as they once had.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        This is not quite true. The players do not need these particular owners.

        The owners do need these particular players however.


        Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          I disagree, and when all the current union members of the current NHLPA find work in another league with equal pay I will then agree with you. Let me know when all the members find another league with owners willing to pay their current rate of pay (give or take 15%), not just the elite handful from each team which currently are taking paycuts to play in Europe.

          • HabFanSince72 says:

            Such a league doesn’t exist.

            But that it doesn’t exist now doesn’t mean it can’t exist.


            Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            LOL. Okay then…. let me know when tickets go on sale for this magical league that is so close to being started in North America.

            Don’t get me wrong, I can’t stand Bettman, Snider, Jacobs, the usual suspects. But the players need to realize how also to make the best of a bad situation. Currently two guys are sitting in a boardroom each claiming their manhood is bigger. Ridiculous posturing from both sides.

          • HabFanSince72 says:

            My point is that these particular owners – especially the ones pushing for the lockout – have not built the league or the game of hockey. They are not stewards of the game. Most don’t even love it.

            An NHL team is just content for their media / entertainment corporations or an easy way to extort cash from weak municipal governments.


            Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

          • nunacanadien says:

            Both sides own some of the blame. For Bettman it’s keeping the NHL going in towns where no one wants to advertise or watch hockey on TV, and then allowing them to basically break all the rules and overpay, wildy overpay superstars at the expense of other teams. So we complain in Montreal that we can never snag a big name star cause our Habs ownership committee is too cheap to bribe players like those nasty Americans. Business is business.

  16. Hobie Hansen says:

    Haven’t been paying much attention to hockey since the lockout was announced so I was interested to see that the Bulldogs signed Zack Stortini to a one-year-deal.

    Now, his chances of ever putting on a Canadiens uniform are very slim. Nashville had him down in the minors all of last year. But maybe he works himself back to the level were he can handle 4th line duty in the NHL.

    At 6’4″ and a real nasty character, I wouldn’t mind him playing 5 to 7 minutes on the forth line in a game that you know has the potential to get rough.

    It’s a real long shot, especially since we’ve got a lot of young players that should probably see the ice before him. However, I’m a big believer in a real tough and physical 4th line so maybe I’ll be pulling for him just a little bit.

    • Ron says:

      I listened to Chris Nilan on I believe The Fan 590 after the signing and Chris was all for it. He had remarked it would be in the Habs best interest to play him against Boston along with the cast already on the roster and get the crap over with early in the season. The rest of the season games with Boston would not be such a side show if it is known the Habs can bring him up for further games if necessary. I think he is right.

  17. HabFanSince72 says:

    The LA Kings owner Phillip Anschutz (rhymes with Anschluss) financed this movie:

    http://www.salon.com/2012/09/26/wont_back_down_why_do_teachers_unions_hate_america/

    That’s one owner who isn’t likely to compromise with the players.


    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • commandant says:

      Thats one of the owners with the most to lose if they don’t play hockey this season.

      It took them how long to build a fanbase and winner in LA and now he’s gonna piss it down the tubes.

      See if I’m Columbus or something, I don’t care about not playing…. but LA could hurt the game long term in their market.

      Toronto, New York, Montreal, these owners are losing profits by not playing… but they know the fans will come back.

      LA… you won’t have the casual bandwagonners you might have gotten after the stanley cup.

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  18. HabinBurlington says:

    Okay, I don’t play NHL 13, but according to this link there is a glitch where you can hip check a player into the 4th row of the stands.

    http://kotaku.com/5946422/season-or-no-season-nhl-13s-hercules-check-is-hockeys-greatest-hit-ever

  19. HabinBurlington says:

    Will Dan Cloutier’s first task as Vancouver Goalie coach be to teach goalies how to stop shots like this which he let in during playoffs?

    Lidstrom, 2002 playoffs, center ice shot.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yr_TyDesIkY

    • Kooch7800 says:

      In my opinion those Vancouver teams were better than the one today. If they would have had a goalie and didn’t have Jovocop I think they could have one the cup. Cloutier was not a clutch goalie by any sense

  20. HabinBurlington says:

    Stu Hackel’s latest piece regarding owners responsibility for lockout.

    http://nhl-red-light.si.com/2012/09/25/how-much-blame-do-nhl-owners-deserve/

  21. Thomas Le Fan says:

    Well, on the bright side, we don’t have replacement refs.

  22. commandant says:

    Today I look at the QMJHL East division, home of the Quebec Remparts and Mikhail Grigorenko…. and Habs prospect Charles Hudon in Chicoutimi.

    http://lastwordonsports.com/2012/09/26/top-shelf-prospects-2012-13-qmjhl-preview-east-division/

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  23. JohnBellyful says:

    Lockout – Day 11

    I feel sorry for Red Wing VP Jim Devellano. He and the team were fined $250,000 by the NHL for his allegedly referring to players as cattle. It’s all a bum steer.
    Devellano didn’t call the players cattle in an interview with ISN’s Scott Harrigan.
    I listened to a recording of that interview and what he said, folks, was chattel, CHATTEL, which, according to dictionary.com, means: “1.) A movable article of personal property; 2.) any article of tangible property other than land, buildings, and other things annexed to land; 3.) a slave.”
    Personal property, movable, slave (albeit very well paid). Yeah, that pretty much describes what a player is.
    Hmmm, tangible property – where’s that leave the Man of Intangibles, the one and only Scotty G.? Exception to the definition?

    I fear the philosophical divide is just too great for the two sides to reach an agreement any time soon.
    The owners are NiHiLists, they don’t believe hockey has any intrinsic value, it’s all extrinsic value with them, what the market will bear. Hockey is not to be played for its own sake, but for THEIR sake.
    And here, courtesy of Macbeth, is what they think of their employees, each of them “but a walking shadow, a poor player
    That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
    Longer if there’s overtime,
    And then is heard no more.”
    As for their mouthpiece Fehr, the owners dismiss whatever he brings to the table as something “told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
    Signifying nothing.”
    Yikes!
    NHLPA members, on the other hand, take their philosophical direction from Plato, namely, that one should play for dough, and lots of it.
    And they’ve nothing good to say about Bettman.
    Several players, in fact, have tattooed on their backs one of Plato’s most famous lines: “He is unworthy of the name of man who is ignorant of the fact that the diagonal of a square is incommensurable with its side.”
    Double yikes!!
    What these people, owners and players, need to do is ditch their selfish points of view and become persons of good will. In other words, adopt a Kant-do attitude, and make signing a CBA a categorical imperative based on reason.
    [Disclaimer: My distillation of philosophical thought from the past 2,500 years might not be entirely on the mark, derived as it is from an imperfect brain and 10 minutes of surfing on the Internet. University students completing a 1,500-word essay assignment for their philosophy class at the 11th hour are advised not to cite this post as a reference. They might also ask themselves why they’re taking the course in the first place – unless it’s applied philosophy.]

    • Cal says:

      High brow philosophical questions before my third coffee? Wonderful, JB!

      For those with a philosophical bent, there is always this:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_WRFJwGsbY

      I had no idea Shakespeare was such a hockey fan. This is from 1602, so you know he is a fan with far-seeing vision.
      ActII -Scene 1-Hamlet and Donald Fehr are at Bettman’s grave.
      HAMLET:
      “Alas, poor Bettman! I knew him, Fehr: a fellow
      of infinite jest, of most excellent fancy. His players hath
      borne me on their back a thousand times; and now, how
      abhorred in my imagination it is! My net rims at it. There hung those Stanley banners that I have longed to kiss I know not how oft.”
      (Hamlet peers into the hole, addressing the corpse lying therein) Where be your salary caps now? Your
      CBAs? Your thugs? Your flashes of merriment,
      that were wont to set the NHLPA on fire? Nothing now,
      to mock your own skull grinning?
      Now get you to Death’s chamber, and tell Him this for me: the season is over before it has begun, already for the tenth time in as many years. To this favour you must come; make the fans laugh at that.

    • Chrisadiens says:

      Pfftt….I call that “Tuesday”. Kids these says can’t handle their booze. ;)

      Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

      • The Cat says:

        No kidding. Half a bottle of vodka is a binge that makes them puke? The Gazette sports writers call that breakfast.

        [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

      • Propwash says:

        Whoooo! Boozeday Tuesday!!!

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      • BrianSkrudland says:

        I’ve heard some crazy tales about what some kids are doing to get a serious and virtually immediate buzz.

        1) Girls are using tampons marinated with vodka in order to rapidly get the booze into their respective bloodstreams; and,
        2) A kid can pour dry ice into a container, add alcohol and then inhale the mist which bypasses the dumbass’ bloodstream and heads straight to his/her brain.

        Crazy and scary stuff.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Thanks for posting Kempie. Still curious to know what Kristo did to warrant the second game. Maybe he purchased the booze?

      ———————————–

      • veryhabby says:

        Habfan, the article I read said that his second game suspension had nothing to do with this incident. I do find it strange if it didn’t seeing how it all happened within a week of each other

    • veryhabby says:

      Don’t make this into nothing. As my classmates were writting final exams, myself and a few friends were attending our friends funeral. Died bing drinking on prom night. He passed out and we all thought it was funny and nothing. He chooked on his vomit.

      I am glad authorities were called in. Unfortunately one game suspensions will not teach them to never do it again.

  24. Timo says:

    Honestly, is there a single person in this world, including his own mother, that likes that face?

  25. HardHabits says:

    OK. Because I can use a good vent.

    50/50 revenue sharing between owners and players.

    6 year maximum term for UFA deals. 9 million per year maximum salary. No front loading. No back loading. No signing bonuses.

    The 4 teams losing the most money must relocate to markets that will support a hockey team. If after 10 years those teams don’t pull their financial weight.. move to another city or contract the league.

    Penalties for teams that lose money. Rewards for those that make money. No more Bettman Socialist Hockey League.

    Speaking of the little dictator… send him to The Apprentice.

  26. Stuck_in_To. says:

    I feel the media is really pussy footing around this lockout. You click on TSN’s NHL link and they’re reporting where hockey players are signing and “former” NHL player accomplishments in the KHL.

    What I would love to see is a TSNhockey home page that reported non-NHL news. In other words, real hockey news. No mention of the non-league.

    For me, the greatest result of this lockout would be the implosions of the NHL and the emergence of a new custodian of the greatest game on earth played by its best players. And it would necessarily be based in Canada. Yeah, it is sweet to dream … though that Sedins’ commercial really killed the whole Swedish Twins thing for me and many others.

    And I would like to see a little more pointed anti-NHL options in media polls. There are a lot of us who feel perfectly fine loving their team while disliking the NHL and its game.

    Fact is, I love my (former) city first and the sports teams that represent it second. The franchise is a questionable entity, being a business, and the league even more so being a bureaucratic business. My loyalty cannot be bought. It has to be earned. And the very first thing you have to do is actually play a game … millionaire-bitching ain’t a game in my view.

    Edit: Phew! Had to get that off my chest. Apparently, fan-bitching is a blood sport. Cheers.

  27. ont fan says:

    When those $100,000 checks don’t come every 2 weeks, the players will fold. Wouldn’t you? Really, how many earning years do these 2.5 million dollar players have?

    • JohnBellyful says:

      I beg to differ.
      I’ve lived my entire life without getting a single $100,000 cheque in a year, let alone every two weeks. And, I’m proud to say, I have yet to fold.
      (Of course, at my age, I can hardly bend.)

  28. ProHabs says:

    I wish Tom Nickle would ask his inside source when this lock-out is going to end.

  29. Bill says:

    I am so tired of this bullshit already.

    Common sense dictates that the NHL will not want to queer their deal with NBC, which begins in January, or miss out on their HBO show, 24/7, which begins in what, December? This would suggest an NHL timeline for resolving the dispute by mid-November.

    But common sense is out the window. With the owners now decrying the very same deal they trumpeted after the last labour dispute, the odds of those yo-yos figuring out how to divide their three billion dollar pie anytime soon look very poor indeed.

    Another year without hockey. How many lock-outs is this now? The NHL is so bush-league.

    Full Breezer 4 Life

    • savethepuck says:

      If and when there is a settlement on this new CBA, whether this season or next, the NHLPA should unite as a membership. If the new CBA expires in 2017-18, no player should enter into a contract that extends into the following season unless their salary for that year is paid almost entirely in bonus money. then see if they lock the players out. I am tired of this BS of a lockout being the NHL’s consistent bargaining tool.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Common sense? The American owners are all rich conservatives. For an example of “common sense” I invite you to look at today’s Republican Party.


      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Your comment suggests the other side have an abundance of common sense. I would suggest all politicians have lost common sense by the time they reach state/provincial or federal levels of government.

  30. frontenac1 says:

    Hey Bripro. Are the lads playing in that arena across from Billings in Chateauguay?

  31. savethepuck says:

    Daly saying the NHLPA has to make the next offer because the NHL made the last offer is such a load of crap it’s embarassing. Maybe the NHL should think of making an offer to the players a little less insulting, that the players think they are not getting , and maybe they’ll surprise everyone by responding to it in a more positive manner and be willing to negotiate.

    “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
    Carey Price

  32. Lizardking89 says:

    At this point I just don’t care anymore. If another season is lost because of these egotistical jackasses alot of us “irrelevant” fans may not come back once again after a totally unnecessary work stoppage.

  33. Stormin says:

    From inside the NHL and NHLPA Boardroom
    Fehr Semen blasts Buttman Daly

  34. commandant says:

    This isn’t about coming to an agreement right now… its still about winning and losing right now.

    They are all hoping the other side will cave.

    I think we’ll be waiting for a while. Get your junior hockey fix boys.

    Go Habs Go!
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    • Bripro says:

      You would think that by now, someone would try a more mature, rational and less-egotistical approach.
      This is turning into child’s play.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Barring a miracle, we are probably a month away from either side considering blinking it appears. What Fehr needs to realize is that Bettman has been down this road before, the greatest threat in a negotiation like this is a lost season. Given Bettman has gotten away with it in the past he appears to not care if another is lost. Oh i am tired of this already, and the worst part is the NFL has their own mess so i can’t even concentrate on that.

        Can the AHL season start soon please?

        • Bripro says:

          But Butthead has to realize as well that Fehr’s an old hand at this as well, and unless the players pressure him into giving in, I’m concerned that this could drag on a very long time. Look what he did to baseball and our Expos!
          This isn’t over anytime soon. When you consider that they hadn’t talked until today in what…12-13 days?
          Ridiculous. And I don’t get to see any AHL here.
          We have QMJHL, but it’s too far for me. You’re lucky my friend.

      • commandant says:

        They (the owners) got everything they wanted last time with this same approach, why change (from their perspective anyway)?

        Its not about what is right and what is fair and what the fans wants. Its pure unadulterated greed.

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  35. habs-hampton says:

    yawn…

  36. JF says:

    I hope that even though Friday’s meeting will not focus on core economic issues, it will nevertheless generate enough good will and optimism that the two sides can go on to talk about the central problem – the division of the spoils. If nothing comes of this meeting, I think we’ll be in for a long standoff.

  37. JohnBellyful says:

    No comment.

    • geo_habsgo says:

      So sorry John, but the correct answer we were looking for was: FIRST!!!!

      Thanks for playing! ;)

      • JohnBellyful says:

        Geez, the first thing I read on the page was No Comment. I thought it was an order.

        • Bripro says:

          I thought you went into hiding. Didn’t you know that Marois’ Minister of Sport is after you?

          • JohnBellyful says:

            Sorry, Bri’, I was going to answer you tomorrow in the lockout diary.
            I often post the stuff and then head off to the office, leaving little time for other than quick responses and certainly no time for comments during the workday.
            I have to admit, you got me worried. I think I’m being followed. This afternoon I was in Walmart and every time I turned around there was this guy staring at me. It didn’t matter which aisle I went down he was always close by. I tried to lose him but this guy was good. I was so unnerved by his presence that I took the loaf of bread out of my knapsack, put it back on the shelf, and then ran out the door.
            Now who is this Marois again? I’d really like to know cuz I’m feeling très misérable right now.

          • Bripro says:

            :D
            She’s our local McGuinty and Hitler, wrapped up in one nice little…..
            morphed…..stretched….dispicable, pathetic excuse of a person.
            No, but really..I’m OK.
            And I can’t go into Walmart anymore.
            My grandson ran ahead of me one day, and ran down the front end manager. By the time they got the shoe print off of his face, we had been escorted out by some 17-year old sasquatch kid and his pit-bull sidekick; some kid named ‘tsi-ga.


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