AUDIO: Six years, $30 million, no-trade clause locks up Plekanec for long term

Centreman Tomas Plekanec’s no-trade clause will keep him in Montreal for six seasons.
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AUDIO: Tomas Plekanec conference call

Tomas Plekanec probably could have fetched more on the open market, an unrestricted free agent come July 1.

But the popular centreman likes Montreal, made no secret of that and, like defenceman Andrei Markov before him a few seasons ago, chose to pass on the UFA route by today signing a six-year contract estimated to be worth $30 million.

Plekanec has a no-trade clause in the deal, but he wouldn’t say for how much of the contract that exists. He also wouldn’t address whose idea it was to sign for six years, referring both points to GM Pierre Gauthier.

The native of Kladno, Czech Republic had a career-best 70 points during the 2009-2010 season (25
goals and 45 assists). He was also a fixture on the team’s power-play and penalty-killing units while taking important defensive zone faceoffs.

Although only 5-foot-11 and generously listed at 198 pounds, Plekanec has missed only four games over the last four seasons.

There was speculation he could have drawn as much as $6 million per in the UFA market. He was the 71st overall by Montreal in the third round of the 2001 NHL Entry
Draft and has played his entire career with the Canadiens.

The signings today of Plekanec and Mathieu Darche leave the Canadiens with less than $9 million in salary cap space. Still unsigned: Carey Price, Benoit Pouliot, Tom Pyatt, Dominic Moore, Glen Metropolit, Maxim Lapierre, Marc-André Bergeron and Sergei Kostitsyn.

Mike Boone and Kevin Mio contributed to this post wih early reporting.

Canadiens’ release on Tomas Plekanec:

872 Comments

  1. avatar_58 says:

    My opinion has swayed more to Cammalleri the last few months. He carries the team some nights, calls people out (and it worked for laps didn’t it??) and is very media friendly.

    HOWEVER

    Pleks is now our “good old boy” who is now here for 6 friggen years. That’s worth something. Markov is out so unless they wait till next year for a C I’d rather not see our captain injured day 1. So in terms of vet habs Plek is it.

    So my opinion is Plek or Cammy.

  2. Chuck says:

    “All we are saying… is Give Peace a Chance!”

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  3. punkster says:

    You know Andrew, we’ll see a bunch of people putting up rational arguments for disagreeing with this move. And they’re welcome to do so. Nothing wrong with voicing an opinion. However there will also be about 3 or 4 guys on here tonight that will bitch and moan about this and try to pick fights with anyone who disagrees with them. Nothing wrong with disagreeing but I say we see how many people we can convince not to enter into a pissing contest with them. Wouldn’t it be nice to have an evening discussion with minimal personal insults and player trashing? (sigh…I doubt that’s gonna happen though).

    FREE TIMO!

  4. crabvader says:

    Good as long as he can stay on his feet.

  5. pic1983 says:

    Totally agree with you.  $5 Million is the most I would have given him as well, but I think it shows his commitment to montreal.  He would have been the second best center available, and considering the fact that he wouldn’t command Marleau type money, he probably would have been the most sought after.

    Im sure a few full season alongside Cammy will produce great results. 

  6. darcy1 says:

    don’t get me wrong, I hope for our team’s sake I eat lots (and lots and lots) of crow.. i just don’t think he’ll put up these kind of numbers on a consistent basis when he’s not the clear cut #1 center without 2 solid wingers.

    speaking of finding a 2nd solid winger … how would Pouliot look beside Plek & Cammi?

  7. Habsrule1 says:

    I agree with whoever mentioned this is a great character move by Plekanec. To me, this shows he was more valuable than I thought. although I personally think $5M is the max i would have given him, he still signed with us instead of waiting a week for the free agency frency, where he very possibly could have gotten more, or at least just as much to play in a less pressurized city with less taxes.

    I have a whole new respect for him, and now i only hope he plays like he did this past season….or better, of course!

    Go Habs Go!! “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  8. puck face says:

    too much. 4 years 4.5 is what i wanted. 6 years should have been 4.25. if he can score 65-70 a season i’ll be happy.

  9. von says:

    I think this is a good deal for both sides.

     

    Plekanec could have easily waited till July 1st and got more money. This contract will allow the Habs to possibly still shop him if the right deal appears, depending on whether he has a NTC of course.

     

    He’s a no-show in the playoffs but like Boone has already said, who in the hell do we have as our #2 centre? Not too mention the work he does for our PK.

     

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  10. punkster says:

    Let the games begin!

    FREE TIMO!

  11. crabvader says:

    We still have 7mil in cap space with the possibility of AK, SK and Hamr going out the door.

    I don’t really see Hamr going anywhere since Markov is injured, though.

  12. Mark C says:

    The 2nd assists element is not really correct. Tomas last season was 0.64 per 60 mins. with 1st assists and 0.42 per 60 mins. for 2nd, so most of his assists were not 2nd assists.

  13. Chuck says:

    Hahaha!!!

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  14. habsfan_61 says:

    pleasantly surprised. good signing.term is fine and i assume the cap hit goes up annually. i expect moves to be made to fit the players into the cap structure. wonder who stays and who goes.

  15. CBrady12 says:

    Jagrs back baby!

  16. punkster says:

    Let’s get this over with right away, shall we Chuck?

    You’re an idiot!!!

    ;)

    FREE TIMO!

  17. andrewberkshire says:

    Great deal for the Habs and for Plekanec. Took 5 million a year when he easily could have got 6+ on the UFA market. He wasn’t lying when he said he wanted to stay with the Habs, and with a 6 year contract we have him locked up for virtually his entire prime.

  18. SeriousFan09 says:

    Considering he often only had one good linemate at a time and sometimes had two dead men with him, 70P is pretty good I would think, if he played with Cammalleri all year and had a second linemate who was active all year 80+ is not a crazy concept.

     

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  19. CBrady12 says:

    There are actually many guys who could wear an ‘A’ cammy, gill, georges, pleks, gomez, gionta (probably captain), markov, even lapierre

  20. DavidKB says:

    Agreed, Gionta gets the C and Plekanec gets an A.

  21. Curtis O Habs says:

    Credit Gainey for signing him to a one year deal so Pleks had a shot at redemption.

  22. crabvader says:

    How about 2007-2008? He put up 69 points, just one point off of this year’s total.

     

  23. punkster says:

    I’m fine wit this. Slightly higher than the $4.5 I remember discussing with some here earlier in the year. Worth it.

    Who will be the first to trash this deal and Pleks himself. I mean really trash, not just say they don’t like it, but go way overboard, rant and rave, quote fictitious stats, use the words “little girl” in a derogatory manner?

    FREE TIMO!

  24. Chuck says:

    I’m guessing that the conversation this evening will be dominated by “Pleks vs. Halak: who’s MORE worth $5 million per season?”

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  25. darcy1 says:

    problem is we paid for him having a career year… i don’t think he’s going to put up 70 pt yearly like we saw this year, but i agree with you that 08-09 was an off year.

  26. Sakus Evil Twin says:

    I’d love to know how this deal pans out over six years… here’s hoping that it’s an upslider or one that peaks at year 4 so we’re not carrying 5 mil per year against Gomez.

    Given that this year was Plek’s contract year I will cuss him wilfully and make unbecoming and disparaging remarks if he tails off this year and reverts to his ‘little girl’ persona.

    Someone mentioned that Colby Armstrong was on the radar.

    I kind of like that idea. 

     

    No answers, just opinions. Bite me. Och.

  27. Hockey Socks says:

    Wow, I was not expecting him to sign! The lack of size still hurts, yes, but I think $5 million is fair. He would’ve gotten more on the open market and considering the tax issue in Quebec – Pleky took a hometown discount. Nice to see a player drafted and developed by the organization sticking around longterm.

    Now lets get him a big winger! Byfuglien’s on the block, Gauthier, DO IT!

  28. Mike from Ktown says:

    Would be nice to have two big solid wingers on those top two lines. I really like the speed and grit the big (small) four bring. Gomer – Gionta, Plek – Cams work really well together. Give them a big body presence in front of the net and watch out.

  29. DavidKB says:

    Plekanec is the kind of player the Habs need to keep. I predict he will improve upon his stats next season.

  30. Rugger says:

    25 goals, 45 A’s.  Isn’t that pretty good ratio for a center?

  31. petrov14 says:

    Id now like to see Plekanec get an ‘A’ for his sweater.

    ______________________________________ Gionta for Captain.

  32. CBrady12 says:

    Who would that player have been? There arent exactly many options

  33. RJ says:

    GREAT NEWS

    “My face is my mask,” Gump Worsley

  34. crabvader says:

    Ask Sidney Crosby and Evgeni Malkin if Tomas Plekanec disappeared during the playoffs.

    2nd assists? You’re hilarious.

  35. Les-Habitants says:

    I still like Gionta with the C

  36. Storm Man says:

    A good deal for number 14 glad he is staying. Now the draft is up next hope PG makes a deal or two.

  37. rogieshan says:

    Plekanec was true to his word about wanting to stay. Maybe he should be named captain. 

  38. 123456 says:

    good news, i really thought the habs would let him go.

  39. crabvader says:

    For people who call Plekanec soft: How many games has he missed? I
    remember last year he missed a total of 2 for slew-footing Grebeshkov.
    He is NEVER injured.

    He doesn’t get paid to hit people. He gets
    paid to produce.

    On that note, how many times did he have
    revolving wingers this past season? He still managed to put up 70
    points.

    He killed penalties, wreaked havoc on Malkin and Crosby
    during the playoffs and played 106 games total this year with the
    Olympics and playoffs.

    He may not be the most physical of players
    but WHO CARES! He put up 70 points and rebounded off a bad season! The
    season before he also had 69 points!

    I mean, if you want to hold
    last season against him it doesn’t change the fact that he’s scored over
    20 goals for the past 4 seasons now! And with the exception of
    2008-2009, he’s a PLUS PLAYER!

    Physical or not, that means he
    plays on the good side of the ice and produces more goals than he allows
    on his line.

    You people that complain about him (and you are
    few, trust me) need to re-think your logic before you piss yourselves
    again over it.

  40. Mike says:

     

    cap is an estimated 59 million. We have 39 million committed 7 players to Gomez, Cammy, Gionta, Pleks, Hammerlik, Markov, Spacek.  NOT LIKING THIS SIGNING. but it all leads back to the idea that our top 2 lines should not be on the p.k.  If we took them off the p.k. they would be less tired and get more playing time 5 on 5.

  41. RedLight says:

    Great deal, very pleased.

    For those who feel it’s too much… I think if we saw someone else sign him for $4.5, we’d label that a steal. An extra $500k to keep him here is fine by me, there are few forwards in the league who can claim his versatility.

  42. nickster13 says:

    trade AK for a guy who actually shoots and hits the net!!!

  43. smiler2729 says:

    $5 million a year for a defensive forward (yeah yeah yeah, 75 pts with most of ‘em being 2nd assists) who disappears in playoffs!?!?!

    Whatever.

  44. SeriousFan09 says:

    If Plekanec gets a 2nd linemate who can actually play, he’ll top 70 points easily I think. Often this year he was stuck with at least one non-active participant on his line.

     

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  45. CBrady12 says:

    Wasnt Tomas one of the only forwards in the league who led his team in scoring and penalty killing or something like that?

  46. mrstewart61 says:

    Gorges for captian.  During the playoffs I heard a player or maybe Martin say that if you were to poll the  players they’d pick Josh.

     

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  47. punkster says:

    Why can’t we all just get along?…Idiot!

    FREE TIMO!

  48. SeriousFan09 says:

    The official #14 Turtleneck soon to be featured as official Canadiens merchandise ;)

     

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  49. SmartDog says:

    How is a top 30-point getter NOT a number one center?  

    And if not, who is, Gomez?   Mr. 12 goals per year?

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    Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.

  50. SmartDog says:

    LMAO

     

  51. 24 Cups says:

    K7 – I don’t mean to correct you, but we now have the best two 2nd line centres in the NHL.  Sorry, I just couldn’t resist!

  52. Hockey Socks says:

    Unless Gauthier pulls off some kind of magic, I don’t see Hammer getting moved until the deadline. The only thing that might be in our favour is that he’s on the last year of his contract and a low-budget team may be willing to take on his salary to reach the salary floor or round out the D-corps until another prospect is ready. Freeing up that cap space would be HUGE for the Canadiens though.

  53. avatar_58 says:

    I feel on the 3rd and 4th lines it doesn’t matter so much whether they play wing or center. Laps doesn’t need to be a center, put Eller there with White/Laps on the wings.

  54. sholi2000.com says:

    Meh, I was actually hoping for Marleau and let Pleks walk.  If only to read the comments here (hehe) :)

    Good for all involved there.  Maybe even a bit of a hometown discount considering he could have waited until after July 1. 

    Pleks you just moved up a couple notches on my loyalty list. Well done.

    They Call Me Shane

  55. Mike Boone says:

    $5 million is a lot, but that’s the market. Some idiot might have given him $6 million.

  56. The Big O says:

    More than enough cash, considering that Metro and Bergeron in all likelihood won’t be back, Pyatt will get the league minimum and Pouliot ,Lapierre and Sergei is he’s back will all be signed for under a million, and Price has no leverage to stand on after his past year so figure around a million or 1.5 there, so it just leaves Moore… quite manageable in my estimation, more so if they can trade Hamerlik!

     

  57. SLONCOLD says:

    price at 1.5? that’s what a backup will cost lol.

  58. W35T5ID3 says:

    PLEKS is back and thats great cuz:

    —hes underratted

    –he plays all situations

    —-hes can skate….

    —-hes got skill…off and def..

    —–hes got loyalty…

    —–a tad small but makes up for that with heart…

    —he’s durable..only 4gms missed last 4 yrs…

    —-hes a very good 5mil player…bang for ur buck!

  59. JD_ says:

    So, Tomas “Up To Snuff” Jagr is a Hab for life, for all intents and purposes, at $5M per.

    Seems just about right to me in this damned-if-you-do-damned-if-you-don’t world.

    The team’s made the cap commitment; now, if we could just give the rich bastard another winger to play with every night.

  60. W35T5ID3 says:

    price will get 900,000

  61. HabsFanInTampa says:

    Price IS a backup. He was promoted to starter because our no. 1 goalie was shipped to St. Louis.

  62. RJ says:

    Boone, you are absolutely correct.

    “My face is my mask,” Gump Worsley

  63. W35T5ID3 says:

    I think Plex should be el capitano!Talk about loyalty (ahhemmm…Mr Komisarek)……Give tommy P the C and let him blossom!

  64. HardHabits says:

    Having 3 2nd line centres is as good as having a 1st, a 2nd and a 3rd line centre.

    2+2+2=1+2+3

    Back to 2a 2b and 3c

    Let the who’s the number 1 2nd line centre wars begin!!!

  65. HabsFanInTampa says:

    —-He doesn’t show up for the playoffs.

  66. pic1983 says:

    No chance! If price gets extended, dont expect less than 2-2.5 million over 2-3 years.

    If we sign him to a one year $900K contract, we might as well have traded him.

  67. Kooch7800 says:

    It is a lot and when you factor in what Gomez is making and what he produces we could be in trouble

  68. andrewberkshire says:

    You can already buy a Pleks turtleneck at the Habs Zone store.

  69. ooder says:

    hmm 9 million for those guys remaining.

    resign Price, Benny P, Lapierre and Pyatt.

    Shouldn”t be a problem to fit those guys in 9 million.

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  70. Just A Guy says:

    So now there is one top 6 forward left to get, 3 or 4 bottom
    dwellers with the Darche signing and 2 goaltenders with what now looks
    like to be 7 million in cap space. I’m not exactly sure if thats right
    and according who you ask it could be upwards to 9 million of space
    left.

     

    Gomez/Gionta/AK

    Pleks/Cammy/???

    ???/???/Moen

    ???/Darche/???

    Defense
    is pretty much set in stone, MAB is not coming back next year with an
    almost metaphysical certainty and two question marks left to be filled
    in goal.

     

    Note: I put AK up on the top line since it
    would be ludicrous to ask the “smurf” line to grind out an entire
    season together, even though the Pleks/cammy/AK line really brought
    something to the table when and if AK showed up for work.

    I’m
    willing to bet Eller might fill a 3rd line role nicely and that
    Maxwell, who is still signed with a 2 way contract could do the same.
    Desharnais (who could be seen as Gionta 2.0) could easily hide behind
    those 2 if Maxwell could beef up a little.

     

    I’m not
    sure if I like the amount the habs spent on Plekanec if only because it
    really stretches what money they have left to spend rather
    precariously.

  71. Niklas says:

    Bruins have traded for Horton..

  72. NightRyder says:

    Flog Gomez and some Alexei Kovalev hair product for Spezza, bury Hamrlik in the minors, trade the Kostitysns for a sack of pucks and we instantly have a No. 1 centre and plenty o’ cap space.

    None of this will happen mind you, but it’s fun to speculate in June.

  73. Wamsley01 says:

    Price made around $1M in 2010. He hit 2 of 8 bonuses.

    It isn’t ridiculous to think that Gauthier will give him a 1 year deal with a minimal raise, hence $1.5 – 2M.

  74. W35T5ID3 says:

    No WAY!REALLY???

  75. andrewberkshire says:

    Malkin?

  76. VintageFan says:

    Price, Moore, Lapierre, Pouliot & Pyatt @ approx 1 million per:  Minus A Kostitsyn @ 3 million.  Still leaves around 7 million to shop with.

    Not half bad.

  77. longtimehabsfan says:

    Well, I’m okay with it.  Pleks has been durable and is homegrown.  The only way we get Marleau now, if he even is interested in coming here, is to move Hamrlik.  Can’t see it happening.

  78. habs4ever2894 says:

    Brutal and all it took was wideman and there first rounder WTF is wrong with Gauthier!

  79. W35T5ID3 says:

    —-24pts in 40 playoff gms for career…..i’d say he shows up…

  80. arrow says:

    Glad Pleks is here to stay! I still BELIEVE, and I think Carey will have a great year! I too was upset in losing Halak but then again I was upset losing Ryder,Kovalev,Koivu,Higgins and we survived without them!
    Now trade AK and SK and we will have a team with alot of heart!

  81. Kooch7800 says:

    I read another hab fan post this on TSN and it is actually quite interesting:

    “We trade away our best playoff performer but reward our worst?”

  82. The Big One says:

    So here’s where we stand.  About 9 mil left.  The remaining signings should be (conservative amounts):

    Pouliot – 1 mil, Lapierre – 1 mil, Price - 2.5 mil, Pyatt – 700 k, plus another 3 mil for other RFA’s that we want to retain.  That’s about 8.5 mil.  The only way that we’ll get a bigger, top 6 forward will be to move Hamrlik or Kostitsyn.

    I’d like to see Moore back, but I’m not sure that we’ll have the money.  I think it’s either him or Laps.

  83. jrshabs1 says:

    I’m happy Plecky is staying but Lars Eller will be the #1 centre by Christmas.

  84. BeachHabFan says:

    i don’t think situation too bad. pyatt, moore, price and lappy should be priorities. lappy should definitely be less than cooke got (say 1.2 for 2, convince him a better year will open up vaults) and moore may take a cap discount if they get extra years (say 1.2 for 3). Pyatt no more than his brother (800k hit a yr?) forget SK. has pouliot earned a 1-way yet? bet ya he’ll take less to have one way, since so much potential but eller puts him on the bubble again (800 2 yrs). love metro but unless he’ll sign for darche money (550) he’ll have to go. even with those guys may still have as much as 1.5 for backup to price (if you can convince him to do what pleks did, take 1 yr deal at lower rate to make $$ thereafter). if you trade AK to a team willing to take on salary, even more space there.

  85. W35T5ID3 says:

    why is 5 mil alot for a durable,quick,reliable offensively and defensively,honorable man of the turtleneck?

  86. CBrady12 says:

    the only one of those three that will make 1 mil is pyatt, and maybe pouliot, the rest will get more

  87. W35T5ID3 says:

    u may be right

  88. VancouverHab says:

    I’m glad to hear The Turtleneck stays.

    Am I wrong in thinking that with Gomez-Gio and Pleks-Cammi we would have two quite respectable big-league top lines if they both had a strong winger–I mean, the GM & coach must be frustrated that AKost & Pouliot are so inneffectual. They were-are hoping that they would play big.

  89. smiler2729 says:

    Well this oughta shut up all the Halak crybabies

  90. SLONCOLD says:

    Price is your starter and starters make 3m+

  91. W35T5ID3 says:

    Where’s your neck?

  92. Kristopher7 says:

    Hahaha, alright. Sorry, I’m excited, I love Pleks.

  93. W35T5ID3 says:

    i miss halak,wahh,boo hoo hoo….goo goo ga ga

  94. andrewberkshire says:

    Patrick Marleau must be ecstatic, his bargaining power just tripled.

  95. lach60 says:

    that link in the article says price made 2.2 last year…and he’ll most likely get a raise

  96. coachdoug says:

    What a good day!  Now my Plek Jersey is safe for another couple seasons…unlike my Kovalev Jersey which is a vintage relic…

    Many of you know I am a long time Plek fan and supporter…very happy to see PG keep him…Glad he wanted to stay…I thought he would go to Columbus…

    I say convert Eller to a wing if necessary…converted wingers are great to have when your pivot gets tossed from the circle…I would hate to see us lose Moore…but I have to say Max showed up post-season…Love Metro’s heart and attitude…decisions…decisions

    No doubt Plek took a discount and he wants to wear the CH…Maybe AK46 will wake up and smell the coffee (or vodka) and get with the program…then complete the Cammy/Plek line and add some needed size and hitting…

     

     

     

  97. Kristopher7 says:

    Well, if you put Pleks on the top 6 teams in the league, would you put him as their 1st line or 2nd line centre? On a lot of those teams he’d be a second, and I’m sure a few teams would have picked him up to be their second centre, or their first if they didn’t have a really good one :)

  98. Kristopher7 says:

    That’s true, 24 :P

    But I sort of just give Gomez the 1st centre spot because of his veterancy and how much he makes…

  99. HabsFanInTampa says:

    Well said.

  100. TripleX says:

    Is JM handing in his resignation at Christmas?

     

     

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  101. HabsFanInTampa says:

    Let’s disect your response, shall we. How many goals, assists for the 09-10 playoff season did he have?

  102. andrewberkshire says:

    If this so called Habs fan thinks Plekanec was our worst playoff performer they need to get ocular transplants done.

  103. Somethingwithhabsinit says:

    I disagree. I think Lapierre, Pouliot & Pyatt will all be under $1M. Price will be (hopefully) between $2-2.5M, and we won’t have the cap space to resign Moore. It’s a shame, but such is life in the cap world.

  104. Mike Boone says:

    Even a blind squirrel finds nuts once in a while. Alternative explanantion: Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

  105. andrewberkshire says:

    Me too, I’m happy we kept him.

  106. W35T5ID3 says:

    —Lets dissect YOUR response to MY original post:   He does not show up for the playoffs…..

     

    Playoffs is Playoffs…u did not say 09/10 playoffs and …

    well….if u wanna be like that…..

    …11pts in 19gms is not too shabby…not to mention the GWG against WSH in OT in GM1 to get the playoff roll goin for the habs…..

    …OK Buddyboy???

  107. G-Man says:

    Never! Pffffffttttt!

  108. G-Man says:

    In the AHL?

  109. habsman-itoba says:

    I’m not sure how Hamrlik got rewarded with this deal……..

  110. G-Man says:

    Price shouldn’t get more than $1 mil.

  111. PeterStone says:

    you’re very entertaining … seriously.  What’s the significance of the name W35 …. ???

  112. W35T5ID3 says:

    …yah and if he walked away for nothing you’d be blasted the habs for lettin him walk…..ITS a good signing,deal with it!

  113. Kooch7800 says:

    I agree he wasn’t out worst player.  But I would also agree he is one of our go to guys that didn’t perform when we needed him too.  It is just the ironisizm that is funny.  One player excells and gets dealt so the back up can be the number one and the player who is one of your best doesn’t perform and gets rewarded.

    I just find it Ironic

  114. jrshabs1 says:

    You’ll see brother!!!! ……and what will the masses complain about next?

  115. HabsFanInTampa says:

    Sorry Charlie. But, a measly 11 points in 19 playoff games IS shabby for a so-called #1 center. ESPECIALLY when you know you’re going to be a free agent and need to step up your game to show the other teams that may be interested in your services. Let’s see how he perfroms next year in the playoffs when he doesn’t have to really step up his game beacause he’s locked in long term. To put it in perspective for you, Cammi had more goals in the playoffs than Plex had points.

  116. TorontoHabsFan says:

    It spells “Westside” if I’m not mistaken. :)

  117. 24 Cups says:

    Andrew – stop stealing my material!

  118. Les Habitants says:

    Champagne and turtlenecks all around!!!

     

    The last time the leafs won the cup it was still just a bowl!!

  119. gumper says:

    Okay, so now our centre situation looks like Gomez, Plekanec, and Lapierre, with White, Maxwell and Eller challenging for a spot, and all three pretty much NHL ready. To me it seems unlikely now that either Metro or Moore will be resigned. With cap space so slim, Moore in particular may be expendable due to the likely size of a new contract, not that I’m anxious to see him go, just being realistic. Now if only PG could convert a couple of Kostitsyns and a pick into a decent young winger with size and potential hands, we just might have a couple of lines that would truly rate “top six” ranking. 

  120. sh00n says:

    I’m ecstatic that we signed him back long term. I still think 5 million is a bit much, but I’m just happy I don’t have to worry about losing him for nothing.

    I also think if we weren’t so starved for cap room, we’d all love this signing. It’s more the fact that we’re pushed so close to the cap ceiling that some people are being picky about it.

    if PG can move out Hamrlik without taking much salary back, this move will look much better. I’m also hoping for the Sisters to be packaged to LA for the rights to Frolov. I’m not fond of having too many Russians on the team as they can get lazy for chunks of the season (Markov included), but Frolov’s best production came when he was with Cammo.

  121. Kristopher7 says:

    WOOT! BEST number 2 centre in the league… he may not be a number 1, but we have the BEST second in the league.
    All the whiners can just keep it down, this was a good signing!

  122. 24 Cups says:

    The Phoenix Coyotes have re-signed left-wing Taylor Pyatt to a two-year contract.

    This ends any hope (of a few posters) of bringing him here to play with his brother.

  123. ooder says:

    kesler didn’t have to deal with all the ridiculous injuries and had consistent linemates

    ——————

    “I like what I’m seeing right now,” assessed Markov. “We’re not perfect, but we’re trying to be.”

  124. Trisdin says:

    If Gomez has the same lame season he had last year, you can put half the blame on the coaching staff. He is too talented to be this unmotivated, or maybe the millions of dollars sucked the life right out of him. Your hate on is justified but as long as we are stuck with him, I will hope for him to find his touch.

  125. Instant Karma says:

    JM happened to them

  126. mike g says:

    I really like Kesler and would give him a slight edge over Pleks, not much though…

    There’s just something about the way he’s able to wear a turtleneck in 2010, and not look stupid while doing it.

    I think the turtleneck also tickles the ladies in the pants. And we have to keep the fancy MTL ladies happy, right?

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  127. NightRyder says:

    Yeah, I’d stand firm for the peanut M&Ms too.

    Sergei should feel proud we’re here defending his value.

  128. Propwash says:

    Our 1st and Shultz…..done deal :D

     

    Goalies in Montreal have two roles, netminder and scapegoat. 

  129. The Big One says:

    The problem is that Big Buf is a salary dump for Chicago.  I’d say AK and our first, but that wouldn’t help Chicago’s salary concerns.  And if we did manage to trade a prospect and a first, we’d have to get rid of a contract to be able to afford him.

    I’d love to see him on the Habs though.

  130. SeriousFan09 says:

    One year with injuries does not make you injury prone, look up the careers of Marian Gaborik, Daniel Briere, Rick Dipietro, Kari Lehtonen, Pavol Demitra, Saku Koivu if you want to get an example of injury-plagued careers. Markov’s 1 bad year doesn’t even come close. Marleau is hardly the perfect example of a competitive player and Volchenkov can’t clear the zone as a defencemen, he’s a shutdown specialist when we have Gorges and Gill combined for less than what he’d be making. You want to hear a cap nightmare? A defencemen making 5 million or more and he scores 20 points a season.

    Markov competes every night, otherwise we wouldn’t have made the playoffs since the Lockout ended. We only started rising above .500 as a team this season when Markov came back into action. Markov creates 5-on-5 offence and with him mentoring Subban, he’ll learn a lot of good tricks to do it himself and not get caught. Puck-moving defencemen clear the puck out of the zone and set up scoring chances for 5-on-5, PP or even SH situations at times. The issue is we haven’t had more than one reliable blueliner who could create offence from the back end, you are just taking all the work Markov does each season and dropping it right on Subban’s head, which is foolish plain and simple. Markov would have more rest and the team would have more balance so it doesn’t fall to Markov to get all the offence going from the back end.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  131. namgel says:

    59 points for Gomez in his last 61 playoff games. 12 in 19 this year.

    Yah,  he sure doesn’t contribute at all.

    What a bum,  contract too big maybe but he sure brings it in the playoffs.

  132. aemarchand11 says:

    He can also play Defense….. I would be all over that deal if I were PG.

    1st and Anyprospect cept Patches, Eller, Schultz leblanc, kristo and Subban. IMO those are the Core of this young group and we need to keep them together.

  133. Trisdin says:

    The Oilers are the only team I see taking SK for a good return. He played with Sam G. in London and the Oilers have trouble selling Edmonton to players with choices. 

  134. aemarchand11 says:

    Getting rid of Hamrlik is needed this off season. I dont see PG making the Plekanec signing if he didnt have a plan for Hamrlik. Bury him in the minor league for the season, I like Roman but money talks and this is an important off season. We can sign Cristophe Shubert or a 6th Defenceman for under a Million…

    -Halak it alot because the Price is right-

  135. SeriousFan09 says:

    They’d probably want our 3rd-rounder as well since MTL is so late in the 1st round and it would likely take one of our bigger-name prospects to do it. Interesting proposal of course, Gauthier should explore this.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  136. Bill J says:

    1st rounder + SK74 for Buff.

    SK74 reunited with Kane…  There’s a “prospect” for ya.

     

  137. avatar_58 says:

    1st, Sergei Kostitsyn and Yannick Weber

  138. NightRyder says:

    C’mon, who’s with me?

    Spezza’s locked in long-term at $7M, just turned 27 and has two 90-plus point and another 87-point season under his belt, plus 46 points in 46 playoff games.

    He has the potential to lead the league in scoring. I’d take that over Gomez any day. If we’re going to be locked in for years, give me the younger, bigger more talented guy (yes, I know, all reasons Gomez will be staying…)

    We haven’t had a 100-point guy since Mats Naslund. Haven’t had a scoring champ since 1978, some guy named Lafleur.

    Dump Gomez. Bring in Spezza. The bandwagon is officially open.

     

  139. SeriousFan09 says:

    Spezza never generated 100 points next to Heatley in his prime and Alfredsson in his prime, why would he suddenly leap to 100 points here? He’s a lazy player who doesn’t play physical, that’s the kind of guy we’re trying to purge off the roster.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  140. 24 Cups says:

    G & G will never send a player of Hamrlik’s stature to the AHL.  It’s not their style.  You don’t have to look any further than Laraque for concrete proof.

  141. VancouverHab says:

    I’m glad you’re not our GM then…

  142. Puck Bard says:

    Have to agree. He needs to show more respectable numbers before anyone will bite. We’re stuck with him; and that’s not so bad, if he improves its a win-win.

  143. Puck Bard says:

    And I think that is well worth it.

  144. GrimJim says:

    Laraque had a no movement clause; he couldn’t be waived without his approval

  145. TripleX says:

    I have a distinct feeling that after a summer full of partying BIG BUFF will be around 350 lbs.

     

     

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  146. jbroderi says:

    hamrlik has been too good for us to treat him like that.  trade him, or keep him.  He is a big cap hit, but when you bury players in the minors because of salary, potential free agents won’t want to come here.  That’s why when burke goes on like a loud mouth, he is only hurting torontos chances of actually signing someone!

     

    “I’ll take potent potables for 500, Alex” JB

  147. Storm Man says:

    I would like Big Buff on this team, Think about him with 14 and 13 could be alot of fun.

  148. ooder says:

    I agree it’s very disrespectful and for a city that has enough trouble attracting big names this will not help.

    uncle Lou on the other hand.. yeesh, not Mogilny’s best friend

    ——————

    “I like what I’m seeing right now,” assessed Markov. “We’re not perfect, but we’re trying to be.”

  149. 24 Cups says:

    Thanks, I forgot about that.  I’m still sticking to my point – Habs won’t demote players to save cap room until it becomes the norm around the league. 

    BTW – What the hell was Gainey thinking when he gave a 4th line player a 3 year deal with a NMC?

  150. jbroderi says:

     

     

     

    I think the only chance of getting rid of gomez would have been putting him with halak, since the blues have some money to spend. I’m not sure who would take him.  Listen, I like gomer, just has a big cap hit.  not a big spezza fan, but with a little leadership (gio, gill, etc) he might be ok.  Alfredson is not a leader, in my opinion and spezza is getting painted worse than he should.  That goofy laugh doesn’t help him, though!! 

    “I’ll take potent potables for 500, Alex” JB

  151. 24 Cups says:

    Craig – I hear what you are saying but we jsut cleaned house and now you want to bring in a guy who has been a timmy tyke his entire career.  He doesn’t play up to his size, is soft, turns the puck over and makes bone-headed plays at the worst possible time (I know I’m a little over the top here).  Besides, G & G would be admitting that they made a mistake last summer and that just isn’t going to happen in the near future.

    I have finally resigned myself to the Habs having an offense that is built around two small centres.  I’ve raised the white flag on that issue.  I will never mention Jeff Carter or Ryan Getzlaf again.

    (I still retain the option of crapping all over AK46)

  152. showey47 says:

    with blake and niedermayer both retiring it may give us a couple of trade options with san jose and anaheim to move hamrlik to.

  153. c.robillard says:

    Does the poo on your porch cost 7.3 million dollars to remove it?

  154. KGB_AKA4787 says:

    You see everyone said to get rid of Plecky because of the following; ”underpreformer only had 11pts in 19 playoff games,5’11 198ibs, 5 million is way too much to give up, when we have Gomez who can do what he does 2 way player like Plecky is not worth signing again, We need a BIG MAN center.” But the offensive talent he went up against in the post season, with teams like Was,Pit, & Phi is more than what I expected him to do after calling it in game one against Theo, and playing amazing defensivly but was left to be seen earning key player of the game on the scoring sheet. AK who wasn’t able to get it done after game 2 of his brilliant game, was invisable and dreadful playing with Plec after that.

    Plec has shown a lot of grit,character and heart, for signing now and demonstrating that he has what it takes  to lead this team, so he’s the same size as Koviu,and so has a big a heart as Koviu, Leadership and wearing the C as another European player brings a load of never won anything in thier NHL history, u knows the guys Im mentioning, Sundin, Alfi, Naslund,Koivu but the only way he will be the player that he is being paid to be at least  the next 4 consistent years is by getting rid of that lazy ass Russian winger now, and replacing him with a natural goal scorer who has size which AK who comes to play once every 12 realistic games, I say this with pride for my country man, but the Brothers need to leave together, to save more money in the bank for the RFA’s we need to hunt which is clear to see.

    Markov’s contract is last to be seen right now after signing first in order of importance, Pouliot,Price,Laps,Moore (who I would love to see back), and Pyatt with approx,9 mill left. We obviously need a back up to Price, so going after Biron, is who they need to consider the most by giving him no more than 1.8 mill, Laps im afraid deserves 1.5-2.0 with the contribution he showed us and potentially will gives us every night as his young age career, we don’t wanna loose him, he’s learning more and more. Price no more than 2 as well so we can attract Biron earning an amount close to him.

    After considering signing the player’s we have left on the Cap Gauthier’s move last week doesn’t really show me any promising big center or top 6 in the league now that we have signed Plec and looks like the same team as last year without the player who got us in the playoffs, but it still was a team effort no matter what look more than a squeeze in eight place team that can repeat a cinderella story,

    I’ll be happy and will see a better possible season to come if they trade the Belarus brothers to get some increase in cap,along with Hammer, and possible obtain Volchenkov, Gonchar, or Marleau and maby Ilya if I keep dreaming…

    Go Habs Go

  155. NightRyder says:

    How would it be admitting a mistake if you were able to flog your 12-goal man somehow and get a younger, bigger, more talented guy? I’d say that’s pure genius.

    Obviously, there are issues with Spezza, but I’d take his issues and potential over Gomez, his overrated reputation, his pirouettes at the blueline and his 12 goals anytime.

    Plus, he’s played in Martin’s system.

  156. nightmare_49 says:

      s47 – That is where i think they should start and always keep in mind the two Florida teams as the Hammer still has many friends down there (Tampa) and remember that the wife has a lot of say in Hammy’s decision. Pierre Guru thinks Atlanta wants to make a splash and Hammy may be their mentor for Bogosian???

      Also, in this new salary dump world it wouldn’t be a surprise to see Burke having an interest in Hammy (Phaneuf’s old mentor) if Jeff Fingers is involved in the transaction. 

  157. Harani says:

    Booins major problem down the center: Bergeron, Savard, Horton, Krejci (just signed last year) AND Seguin or Hall that they choose. That’s a lot of centers to fill one position. 

    “I gotta feeling…that tonight’s gonna be a good night!”

  158. DearyLeary says:

    5 is a lot… if Pleks doesn’t produce more than last season he’s going to be a burden.

  159. SeriousFan09 says:

    Horton has played more as a wing in FLA and I have a feeling with Seguin, Bergeron or Krejci will be dealt to deal with the overload at centre if they can’t swing a deal to move up to 1st overall. They also have what many consider a blue-chip prospect on the farm for a C (can’t think of the name right now).

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  160. namgel says:

    The braintrust is planing comething or they would not have signed Pleks this early… Its only the 22nd of June.  They want to see what they have spent and what their budget is going into the Draft.  I say we dump Markov, AK, SK and Hamrlik and replace ‘em with Marleau and Volcenkov.

    Then we are done.

  161. SmartDog says:

    I’m thinking that too. 

    For sure they have to dump someone…. a couple of guys. 

    I’m thinking dump Gomez, and Ellers may be our #2.  Okay, wishful thinking. :)   But I think we’re FAR from done.

    ———
    Pleks is back – the goat came through on this one.

  162. PeterStone says:

    now all we need is a # 1 center …

    ok .. so, thats bye bye Moore and Metro … pyatt # 4 C I am guessing, unless, Eller plays on the wing line 2. hmm ..

    so, we will have the 58M$ 8th place team all together again .. nice.

  163. Habhopeful says:

    I think I read an article about horton being unhappy about playing the wing in Florida…I may be wrong, I’ll leave it up to you SF lol

    “I went to see a fight the other night…And A hockey game broke out!”

    ~Rodney Dangerfield~

  164. sh00n says:

    Zach Hamill?

  165. SeriousFan09 says:

    I think his general unhappiness would be about playing for FLA…

    Well if he is upset about that, he’s not about to get any happier.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  166. hockeyguy2009 says:

    Signing him is good….but consider this. We got into the playoffs on the last game of the season…We just traded the guy who got us there…All i can say is Eller better be good because I don’t see how we can can do better than the usual 13th to 8th battle that we are in every year….

  167. HardHabits says:

    (\____/)
    (=0_0=)
    (“)___(“)

    Just for Bugsy!!!

  168. NightRyder says:

    Who has incriminating pics of Bryan Murray? (Maybe film of him as a kid practising reciting “sufferin’ succotash”)

    Gomez for Spezza.

    Spezza would get 100 points with Cammalleri and Gomez could get 12 goals again for a division rival.

    Win-win for Montreal.

  169. zooziff says:

    Sounds good to me.

  170. Niklas says:

    So why are people so hot on Pleks anyways?

    Great in the regular season but to small and soft for playoff-hockey..

    But there wasn’t many options i guess.

    So what will happen in say, 3 years when we need to resign some of our younger players if some of them have had an breakout season? We have way to much money locked for way too long..

    What do you think guys? Give me some positiveness please

  171. Trisdin says:

    A fair price for a center we can use in all situations, Pleks is a hard working player who takes his carrer seriously. Hopefully Eller on the third line will give us a talented middle all around. 

  172. HardHabits says:

    Dump Gomez, Markov, Hamrlik, and AK46.

    20 million right there. Sign Marleau and Volchenkov. Make an offer sheet for Halak!!!

  173. mike g says:

    Volchenkov is no replacement for Markov….

    Don’t even go down that road..

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  174. Habs4ever Fan says:

    MAB belongs on the Canadiens Special Olympic Team

    NO team in the NHL will sign him and nor should the Habs

    He sucks almost as bad as Carey Price

  175. Trisdin says:

    He’s a great set up center for cammi as well as our best penalty killing forward.

  176. MathMan says:

    Repacing Markov and Hammer with Marleau and Volchenkov worsens the Habs even before you factor in dropping AK.

    Trading away Markov is a rebuild move. It means the Habs are not looking to compete at least until Subban grows into the #1 D-man role.

  177. Habs4ever Fan says:

    Not to worry

    We have Carey Price to fall back on!

    I say we make 10th place with this loser in nets

  178. Mark C says:

    Hamil is turning into an utter bust. He must have been thinking of Joe Colborne, who will likely end up a left winger.

  179. SeriousFan09 says:

    Except Volchenkov can’t do anything that Markov does, that makes sense, oh and that’ll leave P.K. Subban holding the bag for running the PP as a rookie who hasn’t even played 20 NHL games.

    Why is everyone so eager to dump an elite defencemen, anyone notice those elite defenders who were IN the Cup Finals? Yeah, those guys who prevented Leighton and Niemi from having a 7.00 GAA?

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  180. jrshabs1 says:

    I’ll bet you a dollar that MAB is better than you.

  181. Trisdin says:

    ya, but what will happen to Gionta’s stats without Gomez?

  182. NightRyder says:

    Spezza would be a much better setup man for Cammalleri, leaving Pleks to cause matchup problems as an excellent No. 2.

    Gomez must go.

  183. NightRyder says:

    Gionta will get his 25-30 with or without Gomez.

    Preferably without.

  184. TorontoHabsFan says:

    Three years ago when Plekanec put up his then career best 69 pts it often seemed to me that he was the beneficiary of an exceptionally tuned in Kovalev – reallly, everything seemed to go in for Kovalev that year, remember?

    Last year he seemed to really grow into a leadership role on the ice. He was the one that was dictating the play – on most nights he looked supremely confident in his abilities – the timidity from the previous year was a distant memory.

    In fact on many nights he reminded me of a young Marian Hossa – offensively creative, defensively sound….remind me again – who was Hossa’s coach in Ottawa??

  185. TorontoHabsFan says:

    Making fun of the mentally challenged is uproariously funny.

    You stay classy there big fella.

  186. Habs4ever Fan says:

    Thats not fair

    I can’t skate well

    I am kind of small for the NHL

    I get pushed off the puck easily

    I panic if I try and skate out of my end with the puck

    I can’t keep the puck in the offensive zone because I am always out of position or the puck bounces over my stick

    Oh wait…neither can MAB

  187. G-Man says:

    Pleks is in. Our Top 4 of Cammy, Gomez, Gionta, and Pleks can do the job. The tough part now is shedding enough salary to lock up 2 wingers that can do it. AK should be at his peak. Instead, well he’s another underperformer in need of a scenery change. Waiving AK and brother SK will bring out offers. We’ll be trading problem children for yet another problem child, but 1 is easier to stomach than 2.

    Keeping Darche, Pyatt, Lapierre and Moen leaves Moore a logical choice to sign. He performed when it mattered and will be worth the 2 mil he will get. (Hopefully.)

    The D can be changed up. Losing Markov for the first 2 – 3 months of the season frees up more space as he will not be on the active roster. Hamrlik-Subban, Spacek- O’Byrne, Gill- Gorges. The possibility of trading Gorges to make a package more attractive comes into play. I love his grit, but Habs need size and Gorges doesn’t have it. Nor any offensive up-side.

    Pouliot must be ready and have the right attitude or he will be in Hamilton, along with Eller. I’m hoping for the best this summer for Pouliot. I’d like him to get more upper body strength to be able to stay on his skates and control the puck while being checked. This is the Hab with “potential.”

    Eller makes a nice hilight reel, but it’s an Olympic surface he’s played on most of his career. NHL traffic may be more than he can handle until he has seasoned a year or so in Hamilton (Laval).

    The Habs still have plenty of options come Draft day, but I expect the usual nothing exciting from them. Same for UFA day because there isn’t money to spend unless contracts are shed through trade.

     

  188. NightRyder says:

    As long as he never, ever plays defence 5-on-5, he can come back at $500 K and be a power-play specialist, occasional fourth-line left wing, veteran in Hammy Beach etc.

    He is a horrible defenceman. Witness how O’Byrne looked outstanding with Markov against Washington, then looked like Gilles Lupien when paired with MAB.

  189. habs001 says:

    plecks had to be signed to maintain offense..even if some of our future prospects in the organization becpme top six players three years from now and plecks plays third line…plecks does have to work on his face offs during the beginning of a pk and pp….face off stats should really be broken down by the 3 zones on the ice…who is the best face off man in the deffensive zone/offensive/neutral …

  190. mike g says:

    Go cheer for the Blues…

    They need some fans, add a guy like you and they’re up to 218.

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  191. mrhabby says:

    9m left for 8 players..

    ps..gomez and pleks are the same players.

    pps..me thinks the brothers will be in the starting lineup.

  192. SeriousFan09 says:

    Eller played in the AHL last year, he’s had a year to grow used to the NA ice surface already, I think he’ll join the Habs for next season provided he has a good camp. If Pouliot takes a good conditioning assignment, he should be better for the next season, he has barely gained weight since he was drafted and that needs to be fixed. He doesn’t have the strength right now and it holds him back.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  193. AndyF says:

    This is the most optimistic thing to happen to the Habs in years!    Pleky has been underappreciated here until this signing.   The fact that he wants to stay on is a sign that his leadership is becoming apparent to upper management.  

     

    Perhaps Pleky *is* the current face of the Habs.  Maybe we just signed ourselves a captain.

     

    Way to go, Pleky — you deserve every penny of this contract!

     

    AndyF

    http://andyfroncioni.com

  194. NightRyder says:

    Gomez cannot do the job.

    As our No. 1 centre, he was a 12-goal man. Two goals in the playoffs. $7.5M cap hit. Mediocre faceoff man.

    Overrated playoff performer (during New Jersey’s three long runs, he had 12 goals (there’s that number again) and just 36 points in 72 games. He was more along for the ride than driving the bus.

    He has only scored more than 19 goals ONCE in his career and only twice scored more than 16. 

    Gomez must go.

  195. NightRyder says:

    Gomez cannot do the job.

    As our No. 1 centre, he was a 12-goal man. Two goals in the playoffs. $7.5M cap hit. Mediocre faceoff man.

    Overrated playoff performer (during New Jersey’s three long runs, he had 12 goals (there’s that number again) and just 36 points in 72 games. He was more along for the ride than driving the bus.

    He has only scored more than 19 goals ONCE in his career and only twice scored more than 16. 

    Gomez must go.

  196. andrewberkshire says:

    MAB isn’t worth a roster spot. If he wants to bolster the Bulldogs, sure.

  197. The Big One says:

    I wonder if they are planning on trying Lars at the wing on the first or second line?

  198. NightRyder says:

    Sweet. A double!

  199. habs001 says:

    the problem with the habs last was also that we had to use our best forwards to kill penalties…we got little offense from the 3rd and 4th line players but they could not be trusted to kill penalties…to reduce the workload over 82 games we need better pk from the non scorers 

  200. Trisdin says:

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a fan of Gomez’s huge contract, however, I liked the way he gained the offensive blue line with speed through the nuetral zone during the playoffs. Lets face it, nobody will ever take that contract from us, so we might as well look what he can bring to the team, and his chemistry with Gionta is something worth looking at. 

  201. namgel says:

    Your right Volcenkov can’t sit in the press box most of the season and 2/3 rds of the playoffs.  Thats beyond his scope of expertise.  Markov is 5.75 of a cap hit and can return what we need a Power Forward and “Tough” dependable D- Man.  I do think Subban can replace him.  I watched Subban in Hamilton and he has to be up with the big team.  He is wasting his time in Hamilton.  The elite defensmen men you are talking about where Hal Gill and Josh Gorges.  Atleast in the games I watched.  You #1 offensive defensemen aren’t shutdown guys.

     

     

  202. avatar_58 says:

    Gomez is here to stay, get OVER it.

  203. RJ says:

    Trade Gorges?? You kidding me??

    “My face is my mask,” Gump Worsley

  204. Habs4ever Fan says:

    You go cheer for the Blues.

    I want the Habs to win but why the heck should I stand by and watch these morons sign AAA defensement like Marc Adon’tknow bout hockey Bergeron

  205. sh00n says:

    As much as I want Markov to get traded, I’m still anxious to see how he does this year. If he keeps playing lazy or doesn’t look right, I hope we do trade him. He’s a top 5 defenseman when he’s on, but unfortunately that doesn’t occur very often. Also, I wouldn’t dump all 4 of them for only Marleau and Volchenkov. I would love to try and package Markov with the Sisters to Chicago for something including any two of the following: Patrick Sharp, Dustin Byfuglien, Brent Seabrook, Marian Hossa.

    Saves Chicago cash and gives them another weapon on the blueline; but I still think any trade for those guys has to include Campbell going back too.

  206. mrhabby says:

    his cap hit is crap but he did have a good playoffs..he was exlcellent defensively, back checking, pp, pk he just did not score enough…if anything its Martins system that kills creativity…whatever.

  207. NightRyder says:

    Yes, I love the way he rags the puck and then harmlessly spins around inside the blueline every time, creating a grand total of nothing. He gets the space because the defenders know exactly what he’s going to do. Just back off him, he’ll do his little whirlybird inside the blueline and the play will fizzle out.

    He gets points because he plays No. 1 centre minutes and gets all the PP time. He is overrated as a defensive player, simply because he played in New Jersey.

    Sadly, you are right. No one’s going to take him.

  208. Trisdin says:

    Nice post, but Captain? maybe in 3 years, if he improves offensively and in the playoffs.

  209. mike g says:

    Maybe because he was the best available at the time, to fit their needs?

    Think for a second, buddy. They needed someone for the PP, and he had scored like 16 goals the year before. A 1 year deal at 750k isn’t gonna kill your franchise. He was a backup plan, relax.

    U think they signed him because they said, “You knwo what, this guy sucks. So let’s sign him to piss off our fan base”.

     

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  210. ShangaDoo says:

    good news,

  211. 24 Cups says:

    Dave – I don’t quite see it that way.  We need 9 more players (assuming a 23 man roster) and we also need some wiggle room in the cap as the year progresses. 

    Something needs to happen and it all points toward Hamrlik.  Replace him with a guy who is worth 1.5M and you pick up another 4M in cap space.

  212. SmartDog says:

    Good post Andy.   Some optimism is deserved with this one.

     

    ———
    Pleks is back – the goat came through on this one.

  213. mike g says:

    If you were a GM, would you trade a bag of cotton candy for the K bro’s?

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  214. aemarchand11 says:

    We have three Centerman, Gomez, Eller and Pleks who both can play 2 way hockey. This is a good thing for our team because we will have no liabilities down the middle.

    Has anybody complained yet? like Tony about gauthier not keeping his core together like he said he was going to???

    Good deal, fair deal since he is making the same amount as Gionta.

    -Halak it alot because the Price is right-

  215. NightRyder says:

    He’s not excellent defensively, he is adequate. And he cannot score.

    Two goals in 19 games is NOT a good playoffs.  

  216. Habs4ever Fan says:

    I would have believed that he was a back up plan but not when they continuously used the douce in the playoffs.

     

    We was clearly overwhelmed

  217. SmartDog says:

    If I couldn’t move Hamrlik, yeah.

    Otherwise I’d keep brother Andrei (unless I could get something useful), and see if I could get a couple of tickets on the roller coaster for Sergei.

    ———
    Pleks is back – the goat came through on this one.

  218. NightRyder says:

    If you had a pile of dog crap on your porch but had no way to get rid of it, would you want it gone, or just get used to the stench?

     

  219. Trisdin says:

    So all Gomez needs is a couple of finishing moves to suprise all those defenders who think they know what he will do. If he can do that, we will have an 80 point center….. thanks, you have given me hope.

  220. natethegreat says:

    a gomez for spezza deal could work for us. Now that we have Eller, it makes prospects like maxwell and dare i say it, leblanc expendable. we could sweeten a deal and force ottawa to take gomez and give us spezza. it would take a big offer tho.

     

  221. SeriousFan09 says:

    Markov carries the offence, manages the PP, PK and eats 25 minutes a night reliably. We have guys like Gill and Gorges to play defensive defencemen and Spacek did pretty good work against Ovechkin as well. I’m sorry but Volchenkov is an irresponsible contract considering his FA status this season and worth, factor in we have a shutdown tandem and Volchenkov has no place on the PP or carrying offence, at all. You have a 5 million + defencemen, he had damn well do better than 20 points a season.

    Subban is ready to replace a 9-year NHL veteran who has been the MVP of the team since the lockout? Subban has a fantastic potential but that is what he has right now, potential why must we take rookies and put a mountain on their back to start their career? I remember this scenario before, Carey Price was perfectly prepared as a rookie to take over the #1 job in Montreal from Huet a while ago? Yes that worked out perfectly.

    It is really disgusting sometimes how quickly fans turn on the players, Markov has an injury-plagued season and he’s Rick Dipietro?

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  222. GrimJim says:

    Maybe, but I would hope they have him centring the fourth line to start, take the pressure off him and let him ease into the game. The say he plays a physical game as well as having a scoring touch.

    I’d also rather try the novel concept of letting wingers play the wings and centers play centre, especially if they’re kids still developing their game

  223. NightRyder says:

    I would take a bag of M&Ms for Sergei.

     

  224. Puck Bard says:

    I’ll say it: concerned we paid too much for too long. 

  225. likehoy says:

    the value for SK is probably around a 4th or 5th round draft pick considering he has a lot of offensive potential but off-ice problems. i don’t think the canadiens are happy with that value and may hold onto sk to see how he develops and would probably rather risk SK and have him fail and go to russia, than to trade him for a crap-shoot draft pick

    the value for andrei kostitsyn would probably be a 3rd liner or a 2nd round draft pick at the most. andrei kostitsyn was on pace for 20+goals for the 3rd consecutive year had he not been injured. his talent and production warrants him a look on any team’s second line. his playoff was pretty invisible, but a lot of teams would take the risk as they have to be successful in the first 82 games before worrying about the other 4 to 28.

    i think the canadiens would be more happy receiving a player back instead of a draft pick in terms of AK because he is a roster player and we don’t have many other players showing the potential to step in and contribute 20 goals immediately

  226. NightRyder says:

    Yes, at age 31 he’s going to mysteriously discover some finishing moves.

    It’s all coming together for us now.

  227. jbroderi says:

     

    really hung up on the goals are you??

    A lot of gionta’s success was because of him in the play-offs.  if montreal unloaded him, great, but i think at 4 mill, he is a good number 2 centre.  the fact is, in a salary cap world, as much as i like him, he is eating up 3 or so extra mill!!

    “I’ll take potent potables for 500, Alex” JB

  228. SeriousFan09 says:

    Markov missed maybe 30 games since the lockout ended coming into this year, why must people stab him in the back because of bad luck with Price’s skate and a bad fall in the playoffs? Markov can be Subban’s mentor in the NHL, an elite-level skating defencemen instructing the rookie, how is that a bad idea?

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  229. jrshabs1 says:

    ….and the Habs made it to the conference finals with Gomez…yes I know Halak..blah blah blah!!!!! Did the Habs ever make the confernce finals with Koivu up the middle? Don’t forget that Koivu played with a hart and veznia trophy winning goaltender.

  230. mrhabby says:

    hey steve. i suppose ur right about hammer. its all about cap and flexibility…(i like that word)

    ps..what do u think about the problem child sk and brother andre.

    pps..i still have this nagging feeling that i want the habs to get bigger, meaner and nasty. i hated the way teams just kind of push us around and i don;t mean dropping the gloves kind of mean and nasty.

  231. aemarchand11 says:

    He was going to make 6Million dollars as a Free Agent, somebody would have paid it.

    Brian Gionta makes 5 Million, Pleks is worth the same amount as Gio no doubt. Another aspect working in our favour is that he is in his prime, and although I am not worried about his production if he has to be traded it isnt a bad deal from a salary cap perspective. Unlike Gomez’

  232. TorontoHabsFan says:

    Christoph Schubert might fit the bill :)

  233. SnowManHabs85 says:

    Yay! I can keep my jersey! For once…

  234. jbroderi says:

    I don’t know.  I’ll ask your father if you still live at home and that’ll give me the answer!

     

    “I’ll take potent potables for 500, Alex” JB

  235. HardHabits says:

    I know seriously. I mean the blood hasn’t even dried from Halak’s back stabbing.

  236. coachdoug says:

    You mean the K “sistas”…formerly known as the bros…AK & SK where art though?  

    AK46 Should be a big hitter with a canon…just worried about his purse matching his shoes now…SK was a promising speedster with great hands…now a mullet with a bad attitude…what happened to them?

    “Six more years…God Bless You Turtleneck Man!”

  237. NightRyder says:

    There are dozens and dozens of players out there who could get 12 goals and 60 points given the minutes and power-play time Gomez gets.

    Spezza could get us 100 points for less money. Find those Bryan Murray photos now!

  238. jbroderi says:

    only the peanut m and ms!!!

     

    “I’ll take potent potables for 500, Alex” JB

  239. nightmare_49 says:

       Mitch Melnick brought up a good comparison to Pleks in Ryan Kesler, both centers signed for 5 million. Kesler with much more grit and Pleks more offence

  240. Castor says:

    Does anyone actually think we can get anything marginally decent for the K bros?

    Does anyone think it will actually happen?

    *none of this is meant to be sarcastic. I’m actually curious if it’s a possibility.

  241. NightRyder says:

    Anyone have some creative ideas on how we could get rid of Gomez and bring in Spezza?

    A third team?

  242. likehoy says:

    i’m fine with the length…he’ll be 33 at the end of his contract where he will be just entering the twilight of his career.

    at 5 million, it feels like overpayment, but how many 60 point players that bring the full package on offense and defense can you get at 5 million? 

    it sucks cause mike richards is cheaper than this…but on the flip side plekanec is better than a horcoff or spezza in terms of value.

  243. nightmare_49 says:

     a11 – If Pleks only had Gio’s heart.

  244. NightRyder says:

    Kesler is bigger, stronger, better defensively and had 75 points last year (more than Plekanec).

    I’d take Kesler every time as a No. 2.

  245. namgel says:

    Dude,  Don’t take it so hard.  Markov is expendable and we need help up front.  Our D is wayyy to soft.  We need a big guy up front badly.  We have guys ready to jump up.  I’d rather watch PK and a Marleau and Volchenkov compete every night than a Markov put up 50 pts on a losing uncompetitive team.  He’s a great player but too soft and injury prone.  Philly showed us what we need to compete and thats what we’ll have to pay to do so.  You don’t hold on to an asset just because he’s a good player.  He has to be a piece of the puzzle of a “TEAM”  right now our pieces are out of whack. Lets try scoring some goals 5 on 5 without Markov instead of relying solely on our PP to score our goals.  That failed last year and the year before…and so on.

  246. 24 Cups says:

    Dave – If Gainey and Gauthier are serious about cleaning house then these two guys need to go.  The real problem is that guys on a site like this have no idea what certain players would bring in a trade.  None of us, especially with two players who have totally stalled in terms of their development.  I won’t be totally surprised if they come back this fall.  Andrei gets one more kick at the can just to be safe. 

  247. mike g says:

    If I was the Habs, a bag of un-popped popcorn would do it for me…

    And it doesn’t even have to be a sealed bag. Light in salt, extra buttery, wtv it is I’ll take it.

    If the bag is expired for less than 2 years, I’ll still take it. More than that, the other GM would have to throw in a role of used black stick tape.

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  248. aemarchand11 says:

    Keslar can stay witht he Canucks, pleks is far more durable then keslar. The thing with Ryan is that he plays more gritty but he takes a beating, Pleks will last longer.

  249. The Big One says:

    Yup – Can’t disagree with that.  Montreal has a big 2 weeks coming up, so we’ll see what happens.

  250. NightRyder says:

    Spezza’s locked in long-term at $7M, just turned 27 and has two 90-plus point and another 87-point season under his belt, plus 46 points in 46 playoff games.

    He has the potential to lead the league in scoring. I’d take that over Gomez any day.

  251. aemarchand11 says:

    I’d be hard pressed to believe anybody does, but 5 Million is a fair price for 2nd Line centers in the NHL today.

  252. Puck Bard says:

    I know, I clearly would suck as a GM (I’d second-guess all day).  It’s just when I look at the teams who have managed the long-term contracts / farm system so well (Wings, Pitts, Blackhawks)… it just strikes me our timing has been off for 2 decades now. 

    But you’re right, if not us, someone else would have grabbed him. Wish I was a little more sure of his potential. 

     

  253. The Kid says:

    From Pierre LeBrun’s twitter “Hawks telling teams that price for Byfuglien is a first-round pick and a prospect”

    I know first-rounders shouldn’t just be thrown around, but I would be really pleased if we pitched an offer for him

  254. Puck Bard says:

    I’m hoping they get rid of them for a dollar, if only to improve team chemistry. 

  255. GrimJim says:

    My guess is 2nd round pick for Akost, 5th round for SKost

  256. 24 Cups says:

    likehoy – I think Richards is 5.7M a year for 12 years. But I know what you’re sayin’. I’d take Richards over Pleks any day of the week.

  257. aemarchand11 says:

    I think in 2 years we will be able to trade Gomez, with only two years left on his deal I’m sure a team with cap space will take him. The trade would in no way really benefit us except for salary purposes. But some teams may want to pick up a veteran center as they rebuild???

  258. andrewberkshire says:

    Alright then, whatever you say chief.

  259. HAB-PROFESSOR says:

    ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh…wake up please…..Chicago was very Gritty with a percentage of talent = Cup.,,, Philly was too overloaded on Grit and we were undermanned on Grit… its not that hard to figure out. actually if you combined HABS & PHILLY you’d get Chicago…and the cup.

  260. PeterStone says:

    i thought I was agreeing with you chief .. you said – I know after Price our depth chart in goal is thin, but our depth chart on the wing goes Danny Kristo then nothing – clearly I misunderstood, and you feel we have good depth. 

    Maybe I am missing something … fill me in.

  261. naweed235 says:

    wouldnt you rather try to trade Spacek and Keep Hammer instead for the remaining year he has left on his contract?

     

  262. SmartDog says:

    WHAT IF…. in a multi-team trade you could send:

        Markov, Gomez, Hamrlik, Sergei K

    AND GET BACK

        Spezza, Penner, a 23-year old offensive top 4 D, a decent prospect

    AND…. you’d also end up with about 8 more million in Cap space to do something else with. 

    Would you do it?

     

    ———
    Pleks is back – the goat came through on this one.

  263. Storm Man says:

    Spezza does not like JM as a coach.

  264. SmartDog says:

    I’m with NightRyder.  Spacek is cheaper, has a stronger offensive upside, and makes fewer big mistakes.   He makes mistakes – but seems to usually cover up, and his plus-minus is always pretty good.

     

    ———
    Pleks is back – the goat came through on this one.

  265. SeriousFan09 says:

    Spezza is lazy and he and JM would not work together again and we shouldn’t change coachs when a few coachs have already failed to get that bum moving when it counts. Penner has inconsistency issues as well, the 21-year old sounds very nice if he’s got upside and by prospect I assume you mean someone who might play the NHL.

    Can’t get past those first two names though, Spezza isn’t the answer.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  266. ooder says:

    guys why are we all fretting about the cap so much?

    we have 9 million left right.

    so here we go

    Price, Lapierre, Pyatt, Benny P all get resigned.

    The only 2 who can command any sort of raise are Price and Lapierre.

    Then we bring up someone cheap like Eller and Ryan White and there we go.

    6 players, 9 million

    2-3 of them getting paid under 1 mill

    Lapierre probably getting a slight raise, as well as Price.

    Done and we have ourselves a team.

    ——————

    “I like what I’m seeing right now,” assessed Markov. “We’re not perfect, but we’re trying to be.”

  267. Bill J says:

    I’d have to think on it.

    However, PG (as I indicated below) very VERY rarely trades within the same conference, so to say he would go one step further & trade within the same division ?

    Highly doubtful.

     

  268. Puck Bard says:

    There’s the word: “lazy”. We don’t need any more of that.

  269. NightRyder says:

    What they need to do is play Spacek on the side he’s comfortable on and has played his whole career instead of giving a guy a free agent deal then shoehorning him in on the wrong side. 

    If they do that (perhaps alongside Subban), I think he’ll have an excellent year next year.

  270. Kristopher7 says:

    Isn’t Eller being paid 1.3 mil already?

  271. ooder says:

    i am pretty sure its close to the minimum

    something like $875 000

    ——————

    “I like what I’m seeing right now,” assessed Markov. “We’re not perfect, but we’re trying to be.”

  272. Bill J says:

    Still gota sign a Veteran backup goalie…. They usually make at least 1 Mill…

    And I agree with the other poster, isn’t Eller over a Mill too ?

  273. punkster says:

    Since Spezza and SK are about equal and laziness and boneheadedness they cancel eachother out. So your deal is Markov, Gomz and Hamrlik for Penner, a young top 4 D and a prospect? Does this seem fair to you?

    FREE TIMO!

  274. andrewberkshire says:

    We actually have a lot of depth at center and on defense, that’s where the disagreement is.

  275. 24 Cups says:

    I didn’t realize the deal has a no-trade clause.  Can’t say I’m keen on that although they don’t always mean that much in today’s NHL.

  276. G-Man says:

    Ach! Bring up Desjardins. Crash and burn, man, crash and burn!

  277. NightRyder says:

    Given our problems scoring, I would take a “lazy” 90-point man anytime.

    Spezza played one year under Martin, the first time he was ever taught about his own end. I don’t see that as a bad thing.

  278. Puck Bard says:

    i sort of agree with that… the first part.

  279. SeriousFan09 says:

    Depends on the limitations of the NTC, which I am sure will leak out later.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  280. Bill J says:

    what part specifically (I’m curious)

    the “Ach” ? lol

    or the “Desjardins” part…

    Cuz I doubt you see two young goalies in MTL for a long time now.

    I REALLY hope the Habs have learned their lesson on that one.

  281. Puck Bard says:

    Aggghhh! More lazy! No more lazy.

  282. NightRyder says:

    Spezza, a proven 90-point man, is cancelled out by SK, who has never scored more than nine goals in a season?

    Are you insane sir?

  283. HardHabits says:

    That’s all HIO servers can handle. I can see it now. Desjardins starts playing better than Price. Martin starts playing him more often than Price. PG fires Martin and puts Gainey behind the bench. Habs squeek into the playoffs and get eliminated in 4 games. A reporter openly questions BG’s not playing Desjardins and BG offers up croissants.

  284. andrewberkshire says:

    He has bonuses. His cap hit is about 1.3 million.

  285. Kristopher7 says:

    So AK46, had three playoff goals this year… oh wait, they were all in game 2 of the first round. His team didn’t need him for the rest of  the first round, or the second and third, amirite?

    Dump him and his brother and we’ll be in good shape.

  286. ooder says:

    according to: http://www.canada.com/sports/person/lars-eller-0x86d66/externalsite.html?url=http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/story/2010/06/17/sp-halak-trade.html%3Fref%3Drss

    it’s 875 000

    ——————

    “I like what I’m seeing right now,” assessed Markov. “We’re not perfect, but we’re trying to be.”

  287. terrygain says:

    Putting the interest of the team I have supported since 1952 before my interest in seeing my favourite player somehow flourish on my favourite team under my least favourite coach  I think Gauthier should see if he can trade Hamrlik and AK46 for a 6th round draft choice (or whatever). This would free up 9 million for the signing of  a hitting defenceman and two enforcers and allow us to re-sign all of the others who need to be re-signed.

    I’d grab Shawn Thornton in a second. 

    In the 5th game of the Philly -Chicago series Richards was pushing people around in front of the Chicago net. Then suddenly he stopped – when he realized the guy he was trying to push was Byfuglien. We need a Byfuglien.

  288. habinypsi says:

    I would like to see Moore signed next, 3yrs at 1.5 or 2

  289. Bill J says:

    His Cap hit…. = $1,275,833.00

  290. smiler2729 says:

    A No-Trade clause for the invisible playoff guy?!?! WTF!

  291. SmartDog says:

    Exactly.  Who else do we need to move to make that happen?

    ———
    Pleks is back – the goat came through on this one.

  292. NightRyder says:

    He is a proven 90-point player. We have nothing like that.

    Big players who often make the game look easy are often labelled “lazy”

    I remember Mario Lemieux being called a floater on many occasions.

    Obviously, Spezza is no Lemieux, but we have to explore any and all possible options to get rid of our 12-goal, $7.5M “No. 1″ centre.

    We are not likely to catch lightning in a bottle again. Unless we can upgrade our talent and depth level, we will have problems moving forward.

  293. karpen33 says:

    Spezza – $7 million per NO WAY

  294. avatar_58 says:

    Careful. I like Moore but I don’t want to bet the farm on him. 1 year deal.

  295. Puck Bard says:

    Roll the dice, I get it. 

  296. ooder says:

    oh ya.. i didn’t know.

    honestly I don’t know how the cap hit works

    i just find number son the net and hope they make me sound smart :)

    ——————

    “I like what I’m seeing right now,” assessed Markov. “We’re not perfect, but we’re trying to be.”

  297. HAB-PROFESSOR says:

    This NIGHTMARE is getting worse by the minute…. first they eject our most valuable player in the playoffs for some prospects!!!!…WHAT A BLOODY JOKE!!!!. any minor league beer league field swamp pond picker could have made a better trade for Halak…  THE HORROR…. then they sign a massive contract to a small centre!!!! FOOLS.. we couldn’t beat philly, we are not TOUGH ENOUGH, STRENGTH and GRIT is lacking IDIOTS…

    may as well jettison Moen while your at it….bring back some wet noodles… I can’t believe whats happening to this pathetic turned franchise.

  298. sidhu says:

    Marky will be out for weeks at the beginning of the season — we save that cap money since he’ll be on long term IR, right??

  299. ooder says:

    if he achieves those bonuses.. muahaha

    ——————

    “I like what I’m seeing right now,” assessed Markov. “We’re not perfect, but we’re trying to be.”

  300. Just A Guy says:

    I thought it was around 7 million left. 12.2 according to nhlnumbers about a week ago, now its up to 14.9 mil. Subban, maxwell, trotter and I think one more were counted against last week. right now as it stands, you are probably right on the 9 mil mark with Pleks and Darche signed today.

     

    That leaves 1 top 6, 4 bottom 6, Subban and 2 goalies, plus one more if they are so inclined to have someone watching games. That is 9 million for 8 players.

     

    Lapierre is probably looking at around 1-1.5 (at the VERY most), it would be a huge mistake not get get a veteran back up for price, so you are probably looking at 5 mil for those 3 players. 4 mil and change left with Subban. Now grab a top 6 and 3-4 grinders with the leftovers. Even with Markov on LTIR at the begining of the season PG still has his work cut out for him.

     

     

  301. The Cat says:

    I liked the Moore-Lapierre duo quite a bit. I hope both can return.

  302. andrewberkshire says:

    Considering Desjardins isn’t even a starter in the AHL, I highly doubt it.

  303. Just A Guy says:

    ahh much less for the veteran back-up then I thought… still though.

  304. naweed235 says:

    im not so keen on the idea of trading Hammer now… ( and it would probably not happen anyways) just because Markov will be out untill December and if we also let Hammer go what are we going to be left with???

    PK-Obyrne

    Spacek-?

    Gill-Georges

    that looks to me like a defensive core that will keep us at 13th place at best up to December….

    just saying

  305. andrewberkshire says:

    How his bonuses are hit this year applies to next season I believe.

  306. cyberdoji says:

    Keep Hamrlik!!

  307. nick says:

    General consensus regarding the Plekanec signing seems to be…

    5 Million a year… Less would have been better but ok cool…

    6 Year contract… Kinda long… but he’s still young, not bad…

    Not trade clause… Oh.

     

    Trade Hamrlik around Xmas when teams needs are a little more clear. . This will give time for Markov to get back in action and back up to strength… hopefully. MTL will probably over play Hamrlik as they did earlier this season which will leave him gassed in the second half of next year… But if MTL can move him before the trade deadline, use that $$$ for a rental if terms and standings are right.

  308. Les-Habitants says:

    Yup, we save that money against the cap as he will qualify for LTIR.

    So, we do have some cap flexibility to work with

  309. joeybarrie says:

    But once he is back, the cap space is gone……….

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  310. camel_larry says:

    Resign Pyatt, Price, and Laps and I’ll be happy.

     

    Go Habs Go!

  311. Just A Guy says:

    I think that is with bonuses, things like if he meets league averages and such. 875k is probably the base salary, that site goes worst case scenario, though how can it really be worst case scenario if the guy is earning his paycheck right?

  312. ooder says:

    good point,

    but I think the gamble will be taken on Benny P and AK46 stepping up thier games.

    as for the bottom 6 I think it’s ok.

    Eller, Moen, Pyatt, Darche, Lapierre and White. Pretty decent and cheap bottom 6.

    The reall issue is the veteran backup that I completely forgot about.

     good call on that

    ——————

    “I like what I’m seeing right now,” assessed Markov. “We’re not perfect, but we’re trying to be.”

  313. camel_larry says:

    NO

     

    Go Habs Go!

  314. andrewberkshire says:

    I think we only save it while he’s gone, and when he comes back all the salary comes back too.

  315. The Cat says:

    I’m with you on this one. Its not that I have an aversion to Plekanec, just not with Gomez there as well.

  316. 24 Cups says:

    I was, Andrew.  It was a direct quote from some guy at the CBC.

  317. hab_skill says:

    Here’s a crazy idea: Trade Price and sign Nabokov on July 1st. He’s a tank and is getting older so sign him for 2 years until Desjardins is ready.

    Just a thought….

  318. nick says:

    Next order of buisness should be: Price, Pouliot, Pyatt, Moore, Lapierre – In that order.

  319. ed lopaz says:

    absolutely Terry.

    I have been saying that all we have to do is dump Hamrlik and AK 46, and there is no cap problem to speak of.

    I agree.

    I think you’ll see your favorite player traded for a draft pick.

    Markov is injured and that’s a huge whole to fill.

    Martin seems to love throwing Hamrlik into situations as though he is actually worth the 5.5 they’re paying him

    Unless we can find a younger, hitting defenceman as you alude to, they might choose to keep Hamrlik.

     

  320. naweed235 says:

    not gonna happen and Im willing to bet my manhood on it ;)

  321. Bill J says:

    No way this happens — why ?

    Because if they intended on trading Price.

    They would have simply kept Jaro, traded Price.  And not have to sign Nabs…

     

  322. alfieturcotte says:

    Fire Gauthier.  First he trades Halak for little in return, than he handcuffs the team with Plek for 6 years PLUS a no trade clause.  Rejean Houle revisited.  With what he signed Plek with, we could have Moore, Pyatt, and a solid 3rd body.  Plek was a no show in the playoffs and is very Euro weak when the going gets tough.   

    Sadly, Habs fail to make the playoffs.  Betting on Price and Pleks is the wrong move — by FAR.  Awful GM’ing.

  323. Just A Guy says:

    I think Benny P will be our guy, he needs some serious muscle mass to last a full season though. AK as well, not muscle mass, he needs more endurance training. I hate seeing NHLers having that slack chin “flab”. They both need a nutritionist/trainer.

     

    That is probably a big reason why AK seems to float most of the time and Benny burnt out. You are right on the bottom 6, I really liked what I saw in White while he was up with the team. He has that controlled insanity look about him, which I was never really able to master… I mean…

    nothing.

  324. natethegreat says:

    spacek-webber

    its time webber had a full nhl season. he’s underrated and much better defending than he used to be. he’s also much cheeper than hammer

  325. Bill J says:

    Always makes me chuckle when a NON Hockey Professional who has ZERO inside information can make a judgment call on what is a “wrong move” or “Awful GM’ing”

    Just saying, you have NO clue how much Price has progressed.  Do you ?

    All you know is that he didn’t play much once Jaro took over, and that he had a bad WIN/LOSS record this past year.

    As for saying Plekanec is Euro-weak – ask Crosby & Malkin how Euro-weak Pleks was when he was on the 1st PK unit against them in that series.

     

  326. spos080808 says:

    You are kidding right…So you would be happy if the team let Pleks walk, signed Pyatt/Moore and then find some random guy (Not a top type player) from the UFA market?? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Yah ok buddy keep trying and keep hating…You sound ridiculous!

  327. RiverviewCanadien says:

    Most Habs fans here are a joke…how can you look at the Pleks deal as being negative?

    Seriously WTF is wrong with you people?

  328. andrewberkshire says:

    Or not, considering Price is better than Nabokov is NOW and Desjardins will never be an NHL starter.

  329. HardHabits says:

    Considering Price is only a back-up in the NHL, count on it. :p

  330. habsruleleafssuck says:

    put AK in there and its a deal.

  331. SmartDog says:

    After listening to the Plekanec interview all I can say is I love this guy.

    I said today that I thought he was a very honest person and when he said he wanted to come back he meant that was his goal. AND I said that money wouldn’t be the only thing on his mind.  And he said both of those things exactly.  

    The kind of person who is hard on himself the way Plekanec was during that bad year is the kind of person who has integrity and drive.  He rises to responsibility, thrives on having trust placed in him and on doing well.

    Plekanec makes me proud of the Habs to have players like him on it. 

    And now… I can’t wait to get my Plekanec sweater.  Or a turtleneck I can’t decide.

    Congrats Tomas!  I’m thrilled to have you back again!

    ———
    Pleks is back – the goat came through on this one.

  332. since1988 says:

    if Moore has rediculous demands like off season again we should pursue Manny Malhotra for 3rd line centre

  333. spos080808 says:

    I agree. These people are just hating to hate. It is ridiculous what this “fanbase” has become.

  334. HardHabits says:

    When can teams start making offer sheets for Price? This could be interesting!!!

  335. ooder says:

    exactly..

    wrost comes to worst a tap on the ankles will prevent any bonuses from being earned.. if you know what i mean

    muahahahhaah

    jk jk

    i would love for this kid to do great

    ——————

    “I like what I’m seeing right now,” assessed Markov. “We’re not perfect, but we’re trying to be.”

  336. 24 Cups says:

    There are lots of mock drafts around but here’s one selection that might interest you!

    27. Montreal: Calvin Pickard (G — Seattle Thunderbirds — WHL)

    Once again, the Habs will look to the Western Hockey League for a goaltender and select the younger brother of Nashville goaltending prospect Chet Pickard. The Habs won’t be fooled by Pickard’s average numbers, as he was a “goalie on an island” most nights with the Thunderbirds. This kid saw a lot of action this past season and didn’t crack.

  337. Bill J says:

    Bet on CP31 to be signed long before any offer sheets are offered.

    but to answer your question.

    July 1st, No ?

  338. natethegreat says:

    i totaly agree!

          People here want a bigger center who can put up big number and give us size down the middle. The problem with their logic is that center doesn’t exist this offseason, and probably not next off season either. We give up pleks, so how does that help us? All we would be doing is getting worse. Marleau is the only center with size this offseason and he prob would never sign with us, or at least not for only 5 mil per season like pleks. losing pleks would be a big blow to our team.

  339. RiverviewCanadien says:

    tks SD for that post. At least there are some fans that appreciate what this team has in role-model players such as Pleks.

  340. Storm Man says:

    A few fools on here does not make the Habs fanbase. it is ridiculous they try to act like they cheer for the team.

  341. natethegreat says:

    or maybe just keep lapierre at center and find a tough winger, or better yet, call someone up from the farm.

  342. PeterStone says:

    with the abundance of goaltending around, maybe Campbell slides wayyyy down.

  343. Bill J says:

    Did you hit your head HH ?

    Or are you just trolling ?

  344. PeterStone says:

    I think we are all done at center, unless someone is traded.  You have Gomez, Pleks, Eller and Pyatt. 

  345. andrewberkshire says:

    No kidding, but half the people here want to trade Markov for a third line center.

  346. RiverviewCanadien says:

    Unreal the riffraff that come here…

  347. andrewberkshire says:

    I’m hoping you’re being sarcastic, Steve. I know after Price our depth chart in goal is thin, but our depth chart on the wing goes Danny Kristo then nothing. I really don’t want Montreal to draft another goalie in the first round.

  348. andrewberkshire says:

    Agreed. I for one am really excited for next season. I doubt Markov is out for as long as people think, and there’s a high chance of AK46 or Hamrlik or even both being moved out in order to bring in some new blood.

  349. Malreg says:

    Don’t forget Lapierre.

  350. PeterStone says:

    Thornton resigned with boston, and I dont see them trading him to us.  If you want a fighter, there is boogard, but he has his share of back issues like Laraque

  351. since1988 says:

    very true likely unable to fit another under the cap…pyatt is under contract right?

  352. andrewberkshire says:

    SD, you’re in luck, the Habs Zone store is selling Plekanec turtleneck under armor shirts, I was in there the other day to buy the new Patrick Roy shirt and saw the turtlenecks.

  353. secretdragonfly says:

    It’s not “most Habs fans”; it’s a small minority that has nothing better to do than post negative, pot-stirring crapulence to bring attention to themselves.  With any luck, their parents will kick them out of the basements and we will hear no more once the regular season begins.

  354. SmartDog says:

    Thanks Riverview.

    One of my favorite things about being a hockey fan is getting to know the people who make up the team. I’ve always thought that Plekanec was just an A1 kind of guy – I have no idae why, but have felt that way since his first year.  And to have guys like Gionta, Cammallerri, and Gorges on the team.   Leadership is believing the right things and putting them into actions and these guys lead. 

    And yes, see – I DO have a positive outlook.  It was harder to find when I thought we might lose Pleks (AND Halak). I feel as though maybe Gauthier gets it.  I don’t need to agree with the guy all the time – that’s impossible. But after all he said if Pleks had left, I honestly was thinking if he went to a team I could believe in I might go with him.  

    ———
    Pleks is back – the goat came through on this one.

  355. PeterStone says:

    also Lapierre, but, I like him better on the wing.  He played well with Moore.  I am going to guess he will have Eller this year, unless they put him on the wing with Gomez instead of AK.  Dont forget there is also Pouliot who is a C … we have loads of # 2 and 3 C’s … i really wish we get bigger, tougher soon, because so far this looks alot like what squeaked into the playoffs last season. 

  356. Malreg says:

    By your definition, isn’t Halak a euro trash goalie? Since every European is terrible…

  357. SmartDog says:

    Awesome!  My first stop when I get to Montreal next week (moving to Saint-Sauveur!).

     

    ———
    Pleks is back – the goat came through on this one.

  358. The Cat says:

    Markov, Price and Plekanec are arguably the 3 most talked about, most popular on here, and everybody wants them signed, and yet none of them were instrumental in the playoff run. Whats wrong with this picture?

  359. RiverviewCanadien says:

    I stand corrected, yes it is some, but since I logged on, all I read was negative posts from quite a few members…and that is all I have been hearing since THE TRADE

  360. since1988 says:

    ya i guess i never realized how many of the teams wingers were actually capable of playing centre…i liked laps on the wing too i hope he stays there

  361. PeterStone says:

    we have no depth anywhere.  No depth on D .. none on the Wings … nothing after Price in nets and maybe , maybe Leblanc as a legit C down the road, but, the rest is very iffy.

  362. RiverviewCanadien says:

    Markov, hurt…flukes
    Plekanec, tired (Olympic year, played 82 games,  picking up the slack for Andrei and playing with various wingers, huge PK minutes, etc, etc, etc) – PLEKS RULES!
    Price, Halak was dialed in…nuff said, it is Carey’s team now, don’t sweat it

  363. secretdragonfly says:

    Just do what I do – when I see certain posters, use the scroll button – one of the best inventions ever.

  364. PeterStone says:

    i cant see them moving him back to C … he isnt strong on faceoffs not a tough checker , has no hockey sense .. but then he pulls moves and scores awesome goals … quite the enigma.

  365. The Cat says:

    Its not that its negative and Im certainly not criticizing him as a human being. And I would see nothing wrong with having Plekanec if Gomez werent there. Its just not the ideal 1-2 punch up the middle IMO If we cant score dirty goals, its all about banking on special teams next year yet again.

  366. habsfansince91 says:

    he didn’t really impress me much in the world juniors.

  367. natethegreat says:

    I WANT montreal to draft a goalie. The chances of both top goaltenders (pickard and campbell) going in the first round are poor and both will be solid picks-something we aren’t guaranteed if the habs pick a forward or defenceman.

  368. alfieturcotte says:

    Correct, Pleks for 6 years is handcuffing the team for years to come with a no trade clause to boot.  Not to mention, he was a no show in the playoffs.  How will we trade him when he reverts back to a solid 40 or 50 points?

    I don’t hate, simply call it as it is.  The guy does not deserve that kind of money, and certainly not for 6 years.  We will have the same headache as we have now with Gomez.

  369. terrygain says:

    Thanks. Last time I looked he was still available.

  370. RiverviewCanadien says:

    No problem SD.

    I agree with you 100%. I had told Andrew this before that I had a good feeling about last season, and now I have a better feeling about this upcoming season. Most of the pieces are there…gonna be wicked!

    One thing I disagree with you on, is going to another team, but I know deep down you did not mean that, maybe take a break from hockey but NEVER cheer for another team

    GO HABS GO!

  371. SmartDog says:

    He looks decent, but it seems to me that more than other players a goalie can really rise with good development a la Halak. And the Habs organization for whatever reason seems to be good at finding the right ones and making something of them.

    I would pick up a goalie or two in later rounds.  We need size and scoring potential in our pipeline.

     

    ———
    Pleks is back – the goat came through on this one.

  372. rogus says:

    Actually forget Lapierre entirely. His antics are a disgrace to the team and the history of this club. I’ll never forget when he started yapping and Montador wasn’t having it…then 2 hands covering his pretty face! It’s one thing to be a role player, but answer the bell once in a while!

  373. ed lopaz says:

    I agree. especially in nets? usually when you trade a starting goalie, you get a young goalie in return to replenish your system.

    when the habs signed Gill, Spacek and Mara last offseason, they sent a message loud and clear to the defencemen in hamilton – not ready.

    when the habs went out and signed Cammy and Gionta, as well as getting Gomez in a trade, the same message went to the forwards.

    it was great to see what Pyatt contributed when he was used properly.

    I’m hoping some room is left on the team for at least 1 or 2 guys in Hamilton.

    Otherwise, we need to expect that those players stuck in Hamilton are useless to us.

  374. rogus says:

    I fully agree!

     

    Praise the day that Lapierre is placed on waivers!!!

  375. alfieturcotte says:

    No need to spew venom Spos’, my opinion is shared by many.  He was a non factor this year and last.  Gomez and his $7MM showed up at least.  As far as “bottling up” – I would say Halak, Gill, Georges, and Markov were the ones most responsible for that.  Take a closer look Spos, and just perhaps you will agree.  $6MM, no trade clause, weak in the corners….he’s a solid player, but certainly not for the top dollar the Habs just paid up for him. 

  376. SmartDog says:

    Well, it woulda been tough.  I find hockey like other things, it’s about the people.  And I was losing faith in those people from Carbo forward, with all the BS, the crazy cap-binding deal for Gomez (who’s funny but seems like kind of an a-hole), the loss of Halak and before him Boucher (especially) hit me hard.  I really think Boucher behind the bench and we could have a winner.  I was glad to hear Pleks support Martin and his system.  It gave me my first posiitve feelnig about our coaching leadership since the Boucher thing.  I need to feel like I believe in the people. Maybe that’s crazy.

    ———
    Pleks is back – the goat came through on this one.

  377. rogus says:

    Would you rather have signed Halak to a big fat contract and been short up the middle? Who would be 2nd line centre? Moore? Metropolit? Or maybe trade for carter only to have him walk next year. In case you haven’t noticed N.A.G. doesn’t win the cup. Pretty sure Philly was the grittiest team out there, but grit doesn’t put the puck in the net. Patrick Kane is a perfect example. Camalleri too. What about Gionta? Go cheer for the Laffs, cuz it’s clear that Burke knows what he’s doing…just look at all that NORTH AMERICAN GRIT!!! Don’t let the door hit you on the way out…

  378. alfieturcotte says:

    Only accurate statement you made was that I was a non hockey professional.. Correct – I am a corporate banker.   If you mean Price’s schooling of SK 74 as progessing, you are clearly impressed with very little.  Price has actually regressed.  He has yet to have seized any of the multiple opportunities offered to him.  Sadly, I suspect next year will be no different.  If I had a dollar for each softie he’s given up, don’t gt me started.

    The folks responsible for shutting down Crosby et al were Gill, Georges, Markov, and Halak — period.  In fact, I would give Gomez and Gionta more props than Pleks for the defensive play.  Pleks is a 40-50 point 2nd (3rd?) line center laughing all the way to the bank with a 1st line centerman salary.  Oh yeah, and with a no trade will only make it that much harder to deal him at age 29 or 30 when we want to wipe the Gauthier slate clean……..

  379. PeterStone says:

    I dont know who can make the jump from Hamilton.  Obviously PK will be here next season … Weber has an outside shot … up front, they will have to make a decision with Maxwell who has just been supplanted by Eller .. White looks like he’ll never get a shot here … MaxPac will have loads to prove, so, he better come to camp ready, otherwise by middle of next season, Habs Mismanagement will really start to hear about Perron vs MaxPac. 

    On D.. mcDonaugh, Yemelin, Valentenko, Carle ( always hurt ) and Weber ( MAB clone ? ) dont give us the depth they told us we had …

  380. Bill J says:

    McDonagh & Valentenko where traded to the Rangers in the Gomez deal.

  381. amvanimere says:

    Yes, July 1st.

     

    With the bulk of goaltenders available, the lack of teams with needs for a starter, and the lack of success teams have had when tying a bunch of money up in a goaltender, I can’t see anyone taking a serious run at him with an offer sheet. Anything less than $3M will be happily matched by Gauthier. I can’t see any team that would give Price $3-4.5M and lose a 1st and 3rd pick, plus the shame and scorn that comes from the “old boys club” when poaching a RFA (not to mention arguably a franchise player, at least in Gauthier’s mind). Anyone giving more than that in $ or picks is an absolute moron, and Gauthier will happily do something better with that money, and build a young core with the picks.

  382. amvanimere says:

    Malhotra would be a good choice (as long as everyone understands that he is a grinder with some offensive upside, not the “big centre” we’re always pining for). I think San Jose keeps him, though, he’s the kind of player they didn’t have enough of for years, and they were pretty happy with his play last season.

  383. PeterStone says:

    yes they were … one wasnt coming and the other apparently wasnt developing.  curious to see if the rangers sign him.  either way .. they said we had depth at dee .. we have none.

  384. spos080808 says:

    Pleks was no show for the playoffs??? Why do you continue to talk through your ass…Did you even watch the games??? You do realize he was asked to bottle up the OV line and the Crosby line right? He was asked to play defense first…Do some research before speaking…I really cannot stand people who just talk hatred when they have no idea what they are talking about.

  385. HardHabits says:

    Great. Let’s rush Markov again.

  386. andrewberkshire says:

    NHLnumbers.com also has it at 500K, and those guys are pretty good.

  387. likehoy says:

    i wouldn’t send him down, but i’d buy him out.

    buying him out is part of the business and it’s a little more classier than sending a player down to the minors. financially it frees up SOME money, but also it gives the player a chance to find another contract to play for another team in the pros. Burying a respected veteran into the minors should only be done if they consented to it and if a team is that desperate.

    putting hamrlik on waivers and re-entry waivers to see if anyone wants to pick him up at half price before buying him out is another option i would consider.

  388. Clay4bc says:

    I see many are not happy with Pleks II – The Return of Pleks.

    Don’t count me among them. He was a huge part of our success in all 3 zones. If anyone did not see how much he contributed to that playoff run, well, I don’t know what to tell you…I for one am happy about the deal. Except the NTC…but that was the price of avoiding free-agency, I guess…

    __________________________

    “Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Denis Diderot

  389. RJB says:

    There has been a lot of talk about Dominic Moore and the Habs offering him a contract. I just want to share a story that may add a little human touch to it. First off I became a huge Moore fan after I told all of my buddies that I would buy the t-shirt of the player who scored the game winning goal against Washington for us. I returned home from school this summer and was volunteering at a local elementary school track meet with my dad (an elementary school principal). It was there I got to work with a nice women who happens to be Dominic Moore’s aunt who is a parent at my dads school. We got to talking and she had mentioned that she had a nice conversation with Dominic the past weekend, not only is he a Harvard boy (all the brothers are I believe she said). But ever since he has come to Montreal he has soaked up the experience, its by far his favourite team and he is really hoping to be offered a contract this off season.

    It isnt much I know, but I found it very interesting and it made me respect Dominic Moore even more so. I’m really rooting for this guy who has bounced around, and I would love to see him back here and stick it to the Leafs loser of a GM for his brother!

  390. Clay4bc says:

    I’m with you on this…we NEED players like Moore to have playoff success.

    __________________________

    “Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Denis Diderot

  391. andrewberkshire says:

    Count me in for wanting Moore back. Maybe giving him term (something he’s never had in the NHL) over cash with a 4 year deal would be incentive to stay here for cheap.

  392. matmacat says:

    he’s on the rise, it’s all good. ?  I’m happy with the deal, he played a huge role.

  393. likehoy says:

    i liked dominic moore the moment we traded for him. Many were saying it was overpayment, but i always felt he was the answer to our weak third and fourth lines (sorry glen metropolit, but you were playing out of your skin).

    one of the bloggers on tsn (i can’t remember who) suggested we should have made a deal for eric belanger instead, which at the time sounded better…but belanger only contributed 6 points in 17 games for the capitals, while moore gave us 11 in 21, and 5 points in the playoffs. so I guess pierre gauthier knew what he was trading for in the end.

  394. Bugs says:

    “Pleks II – The Return of Pleks” ??? What the hell?

    Can we get a little imagination here? Repetition in the TITLE ain’t cool, dog. Clay! C’mon.

    Coulda gone with “The Little Girl Stikes Back” or “Revenge of the Turtleneck” or “Firefight at Goatie Junction” or… I don’t know but c’mon!

    Mix it up a bit, ferpetessakes.

    …pleks ii – the return of pleks… good grief…you guys are killin me.

    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  395. gloveside says:

    Aren’t you a little delusional in your centre depth comparison? How do
    the Habs compare in any way with the Flyers down the middle? [Giroux is a
    natural right winger, by the way]. I think anyone with half a brain
    would take Richards, Carter, Briere and Laperriere over Pleks, Gomez,
    Eller and Moore. I would not call what the Habs have “depth” by any
    stretch of the imagination!

  396. bostonantifan says:

    Plekanec disappeared completely during the playoffs.  That showed too.

  397. bostonantifan says:

    Just what the Habs need another fast penalty-killing forward who can’t score.  They have loads of players like Pyatt.  He’s totally replaceable.

  398. W35T5ID3 says:

    In case ya’ll didnt know….i’m HABWARRIOR reincarnated cuz the guys at HIO blocked my account 1 day.I had acciddentily put on a naked chick as my avatar.So ya…WARRIOR returns….

  399. W35T5ID3 says:

    yes…..yes it does.

  400. The Cat says:

    Accidently lol

  401. The Cat says:

    I think the habs should try and sign him, him and Lapierre were very good together I thought.

  402. W35T5ID3 says:

    HABWARRIOR’s 3 Prediction:1-Subban gets rookie of the year

                                            2-Price gets a vezina nomination(…lol…1 can wish,can’t they?)

                                            3-Gionta and Cammalerri (assumin healthy) both get 35+ goals this season.

     

    …..then…we win the cup!

  403. W35T5ID3 says:

    yes 4 real…accident

  404. W35T5ID3 says:

    We need Big Byfuglien….hes a beast and is EXACTLY WHAT WE  NEEEED>>>EGGS aactttt LLLLEEE

  405. G-Man says:

    What playoffs were you watching?

  406. G-Man says:

    No, the first 2 to 3 months of the season the Habs will be wothout Markov. Tossing him to the minors would be okay if he were a pylon like Souray, but Hamrlik did all he could for the Habs last season.

    AK and SK however….

  407. G-Man says:

    Habs management did Halak a favour, but they wrecked a promising off-season with the trade. Good for Halak, bad for Habs fans. I hope he gets to the finals this season.

  408. Clay4bc says:

    Sorry Bugs…. you’re right. Was on my lunch break, and put exactly no thought into it. Next time I promise to put forth some effort…

    __________________________

    “Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Denis Diderot

  409. smiala11 says:

    I admire what you have done here.

  410. camel_larry says:

    Hahaha!

     

    Go Habs Go!

  411. andrewberkshire says:

    WOOOOO!!! Go Germany!

  412. W35T5ID3 says:

    DUDE ur avatar is Horrible.I bet Byfuglien would play on our top line and on our #1 PP unit…..so stfu.Its too bad hes gone to atlanta now though.

  413. HardHabits says:

    I think he watched the Flyers versus the Invisible Men series.

  414. bus driver says:

    this deal will bite us in the ass before its over, have they not learned that a no trade clause doesnt work.  Now we will be held hostage for 6 years. 

  415. Chorske says:

    PLEKS II: THE CZECH GETS CASHED

  416. Chorske says:

    There are a couple of key words that indicate to me that a post is probably not worth reading.

    One of them is “midget”.

  417. Bugs says:

    Yes! Now THAT’S a title.

    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  418. bevan10 says:

    I admire what you have done here.

  419. frajany18 says:

    Well this is very interesting indeed.Would love to read a little more of this. Great post. Thanks for the heads-up…This blog was very informative and knowledgeable

  420. Drive_For_25 says:

    I literally came online just now to see if we had signed Moore yet.  And I will everyday until we do.  His goal in Game 7 against the Caps was probably the most special goal I’ve ever seen.

  421. TJV says:

    First time Poster, Long time reader. 
    I basically am one of those Hab fans that never misses a game(PVR is great!) and check HI/O frequently.  I love this organization with a passion.  I have only been to Montreal once, I’m only 19 by the way, and I took in two games with my Dad, that was the 07/08 season.  I plan to make the move to Montreal within the next two years. 

    This is a great signing, we got a very talented two-way player for a cheap in todays NHL.  Super Pleky should be a very good player for many years and it was an excellent job by PG to sign him long term for an excellent figure.   I keep thinking that we need to add a top 6 forward to the line-up, a big one, but then I think that maybe management is going to sit on Pouliot and Max Pax to fill the void.  So I am anxious to see what they decide on. 

    The Halak trade was a good move to make, I think Halak has reached his potential and Carey is yet to do so, Carey is younger and cheaper, and what we got in return for Halak could give us something we haven’t had in a while, a centre with decent size and talent in Eller.  Now I can only hope that we can re-sign Moore or Lapierre.  I also hope PG has enough smarts to let MAB walk.  Pyatt could prove to be very useful in the future and I would love to lock him up for 2 or 3 years. 

    What ever happens this offseason it is bound to be a very exciting 2010/11 season and it will all start with a Toronto beat down at the hands of the Habs Oct.7.

  422. SLONCOLD says:

    he’s horrible…. trust me he looks good while playing with supper stars, that’s about it

  423. Bill J says:

    Thumbs Up – & Welcome. 

    Go Habs Go!

  424. SeriousFan09 says:

    Welcome to the party, good post.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  425. Ian Cobb says:

    Taylor. good first post, welcome aboard.

  426. Ian Cobb says:

    I forgot about Tom Pyatt, we have to sign him for sure. I think we will.

  427. thorandresson says:

    here’s an idea, what if they sign Tom’s brother Taylor, he should be affordable, he’s got the size, he could maybe play on one of the top 2 lines (like Moen does from time to time) or he can be a 3rd line forward.

  428. Bill J says:

    Not 100% but I heard something about Taylor re-upping with PHX not too long ago…

    :(

  429. punkster says:

    Welcome TJV and enjoy the ride. Gets kind of bumpy at times but the passengers are for the most part good people.

    FREE TIMO!

  430. andrewberkshire says:

    Taylor Pyatt has already re-signed with Phoenix.

  431. thorandresson says:

    Yah nevermind, just read about that.  He’s only signed at 1 million a year

  432. Harditya_CareyPrice says:

    You are correct, sir. I respect your opinion and you’re absolutely right about the fact that the Habs are not anywhere near Flyers’ centers depth chart. They have a lot more skill and size. But what I meant to say is that the Habs are somewhat of a poor version of Flyers’ depth down the middle. It has definitely improved from last season. Like Flyers, the Habs are getting younger in this position by acquiring a 21 year old center and letting go of Metropolit.

    Whether you agree with me or not we do have depth at center now. A 70-point man, a 60 point man at 2nd line, a can’t miss prospect on 3rd and a 40 point player on the 4th. Upcoming centers are Desharnais and Leblanc. It’s not as good as Flyers, but Habs are getting there. Just my view.  

  433. Eliisa says:

    I definitely share your enthusiasm for the Canadiens, I think we all do. After the playoff run our team had I am certainly looking forward to the upcoming season as well. I was anxious to see what the schedule had in terms of games against the western teams. I imagine I will be there for both Calgary and Vancouver. I envy you for being able to move to Montreal, I’ll get there one day.

    I am still up in the air about the goalie debate. I often wonder how well Carey handles the pressure of playing in such a bright spotlight. No one can dispute Halak did amazing things and part of me assumed he would stay. However, after reading some pieces about Carey getting the number one job I think he might realize he has to work harder than he did last season. Only time will tell how things go there. I am definitely not screaming for a long contract with him just yet.

    I was up in Grande Prairie visiting my brother two weeks ago and noticed some trucks with Habs hitchcovers. It always makes me smile knowing there are so many of us supporting them out west. Welcome to the addiction of Habs Inside/Out :)

  434. 123456 says:

    right, the habs were or were not a few wins away form taking home the cup?

  435. Tis Himself says:

    Seems like a fair deal to me. Pleks was the highest scorer on the team and might have done better up front if he tested the free agency waters, but the Habs gave him term. Everybody won on this deal!

  436. Tis Himself says:

    The real question after this deal is whether there is enough coin left for Breezer II: The Revenge of the Glorious Outlet Pass?

  437. camel_larry says:

    I dunno about you guys, but I’d like to see some of the guys that were on the bottom 6 (Moore, Laps, Metro, count pouliot too) so we can start integrating some of our prospects.

     

    Go Habs Go!

  438. HabsBlogger says:

    Even if pleks can’t match his point totals from this past year it’s still a good signing. We use him in nearly every situation & is obviously a strong team player.

  439. Tis Himself says:

    See them do what (and to whom)?

  440. Chris says:

    I’m just not crazy about the term AND a no-trade clause. 

    If he was a consistent 60-70 point guy, then sure…$5 million is pretty much market value and the NTC would be a pretty safe bet.  But if 70 points is an aberration and the 55-60 points is the norm, then that $5 million could be a bit of a handcuff for the Habs down the road.

  441. Tis Himself says:

    Deep down, I think $5MM per year and six years is pricey for any one player given the nature of hockey. Having just one guy chew up almost a double-digit portion of the total payroll is just plain wrong, but what can you do? If you have a superior, not necessarily larger, scouting system, you can substitute lesser known players, but you have to have a massive pair as GM to take that risk.

  442. TJV says:

    Thanks all for the replies.  Seems like good times will be had on the site!

  443. andrewberkshire says:

    I know he’s a respected veteran, but if there’s a player available who can really help the Canadiens going forward, would anyone consider (as hypothetical GM of course) sending Hamrlik to the minors?

  444. Ian Cobb says:

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    Three Dates For This Years HIO Fan Summit To Choose From

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  445. TripleX says:

    Never, it is a douche move.  Hammer regardless of how you may feel about him has fulfilled his part of the contract and the organization is equally obligated to fulfill theirs.  If your GM negotiated a bad contract suck it up and live with it.  There should be no get out of jail free cards for bad decisions.

     

     

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  446. Max_a_million says:

    Not if you ever want to sign free agents in the future, that would send us back to the days of overpaying for Trevor Linden.

    As much as that strategy is discussed teams don’t do it to quality players.  

    After a lot of work we are now a respected team for free agents to come to.  We signed the best forwards last year, and the best center this year.

  447. SeriousFan09 says:

    No, team’s rep would take a serious hit and Hamrlik, while his contract isn’t ideal, he always tries, sure what he has left in his tank at the end of the year isn’t much but I can never fault his effort. Team can’t bury a veteran in the minors like that and not look bad. With Subban, and Markov coming back in the first 20 games (Betting on it, he always comes back early) I think he’ll have an easier year next year.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  448. Max_a_million says:

    Is this Pierre Gauthier?

    Do you have to come on to the HIO to get in contact with your bottom 6th?

    Would you like us to tell them you want to see them in your office?

  449. habs4_25th says:

    Too bad this signing doesn’t address our needs on this team, I think that the signing was for too much, as we gave him a hefty increase when he had a crappy year, then we warrant him another doubling of salary???  I would’ve only offered 4- 4.5 M, because there are bigger and just as skilled centers out there, especially on team that are going to run into cap issues.

    “To you from failing hands we throw the torch. Be it yours to hold high.”

  450. Chris says:

    No, because it is a classless move for a respected NHL veteran.

    The only comparable situations were Mogilny in New Jersey and McLaren in San Jose. Neither move seriously impacted those teams` ability to sign free agents, but I still think it is a very dangerous move to make.

  451. GrimJim says:

    I don’t know if Montreal has the capacity to make a play for him (the HAbs would have to clear at least 6 mil in cal space by my reckoning) but one player that will be interesting to watch what happens to him is Anaheim RFA Bobby Ryan. One of the experts on CAlgary sports radio (it might have been Darren Dreager) says he’ll be looking for 4.5 or 5 mil a year but anahiem already has Lupol, Getzlaf Perry and Blake and the Ducks may not want to pay what Ryan wants.

  452. HardHabits says:

    Yes but it’s the salary cap era. Why is it OK to send Huet down? This has to be considered an option if it clears up cap space and/or there’s a younger cheaper player in the pipeline or on the market. Trading Halak was what? the epitome of brotherly love?

    See I can make three sentences without mentioning the word tank. ;-)

  453. Chris says:

    Anaheim has over $20 million in cap space and Perry, Getzlaf and Lupul all signed to very fair, below market-value deals for another three seasons.  They should be able to easily pay Bobby Ryan and still be able to afford to go after the defencemen and secondary scorers they need to round out their team.  With Niedermayer and Selanne not returning,

    Anaheim obviously needs some better defencemen (Willie Mitchel, perhaps), but their cap situation is one of the best in the league this summer so I can`t see them letting a great talent like Ryan escape quite yet.

  454. HardHabits says:

    Tsshee. You said tank.

  455. andrewberkshire says:

    The reason I ask is because with Chicago almost inevitably sending Huet to the minors, it’s assumed that many GMs across the league will see this as an opportunity to send down big contracts at the same time, thus minimizing the impact of the bad rep that comes along with it and the damage done for UFA signings wouldn’t be so bad.

    Personally I’m against it. Alexander Mogilny was one of my favourite players growing up, and with the way his career ended while he was still productive and after JUST signing a brand new contract, it was a disgusting display. I’m actually surprised anyone would want to play for Lou Lamoriello after that.

  456. Chris says:

    Thus far, Huet hasn`t yet been sent down. :)

    And Chicago can probably get away with it because they are the defending Stanley Cup champions with a strong, young core. Players will still be willing to sign on if it gives them a chance at the Stanley Cup.

    Montreal`s got to show they are right there as a strong contender if they are going to pull a move like that.

  457. andrewberkshire says:

    I’m still not sure how anyone can think the Halak trade was classless? They sent him to an organization where he’ll be the clear #1 goalie with no challengers, and an organization that’s on the rise due to a plethora of young talent. If anything Halak should be thanking the Habs for allowing him to get a payday and end up on a damn good team.

  458. Chorske says:

    He’s gone- moving to Atlanta. see rds for details

  459. Chris says:

    A chance to win a Stanley Cup will often rinse any ugly tastes out of your mouth while signing on the dotted line…  :)

  460. andrewberkshire says:

    Selanne apparently wants to return for another year, but you’re right that Anaheim has a ton of cap space, which is why I keep telling Leaf fans they’re dreaming if they think they can get Bobby Ryan straight up for Kaberle.

  461. andrewberkshire says:

    Are you talking about Chicago or New Jersey? If NJ, can it honestly be assumed that NJ ever had a shot at the cup post-lockout while Brodeur has been terrible in the playoffs? They’ve won fewer playoff series than Montreal.

  462. Just A Guy says:

    http://www.capgeek.com/charts.php?Team=2

     

    Capgeek gives Darche having a 500k salary, is this right?

  463. ari says:
    • seems everyone happy and planning for parade.i dont want to ruin the party,but

     

    • with four midgets on top 2 lines and the other two play like smaller ones,we never get any where close to the cup.i like them all ,but not all on the same team.
  464. HardHabits says:

    Maybe I was insinuating a bit much but whatever, it was it was a cold calculated move. It’s called the big leagues. It’s my new motto, HardBall.

  465. Chris says:

    Perhaps. But they have also not had a season under 99 points since that demotion of Mogilny, finishing 8th, 7th, 6th, 5th and 6th overall over the 5 post-lockout seasons.

    That kind of consistency means you are perceived as a contender every year, even when you don`t win it.

  466. crabvader says:

    Yeah, he got signed today for a year.

  467. andrewberkshire says:

    True enough. I heard earlier in the year that the Flyers have averaged an astounding 97 points per year since they last won the cup. That’s some consistency.

  468. andrewberkshire says:

    You need to stop changing your motto, it’s getting difficult to rebutt you when you have a new one every day. Tank first, then TTT, now Hardball….

  469. Harditya_CareyPrice says:

    Montreal’s centers: Plekanec, Gomez, [Eller], Moore (PG sign him, please), Lapierre

    Top 4 wingers: Cammalleri, Gionta, [Eller], A. Kostitsyn (trade bait)

    Bottom 4 wingers: Moen, Darche, Pyatt, Pouliot

    Dmen: Hamrlik, Spacek, Subban, Markov, Gill, Gorges, O’Byrne

    Price, [?]

    Non-returning players: Metropolit, Bergeron, Mara, S. Kostitsyn

    Habs’ center position has solidified with the addition of Eller. Now, it actually seems like we have depth down the middle (similar to Giroux as Flyers’ 3rd line center). I am not saying Eller will instantly compete at a very high level in his rookie season, but he adds a lot to the team. I think the pressure on Gomez and Plekanec will reduce as the season progresses.

    The bottom 4 wingers seem alright, but we’re still missing that big body that will aid in forming a shutdown line. That, and I am also concerned about the top 4 wingers. Pouliot’s been hot and cold and I am not going to give up on him just yet like several posters here. But we need a better top 6 forward than just Pouliot and AK46. AK46 is a top 6 forward….for the 30 games he plays. Habs just can’t rely on hold and cold wingers, they need a consistent winger that doesn’t wait till November/December to start producing.

    I am not concerned about D. Hamrlik will eventually be replaced next season if not this summer. And we need a young d-man to replace him, not another veteran d-man. 

  470. Just A Guy says:

    I knew about the signing, I just thought there was a league minimum, or is that for entry level contracts?

  471. MTLForever says:

    I like Tommy Pyatt, has a lot of speed and played well on the PK. I hope we do sign him as well.

  472. HardHabits says:

    Cammy, Plex, Gionta and Gomez all played over 20 minutes per game in the playoffs. It showed against the Flyers. Not one of them over 6 feet tall or over 200 lbs. That showed too.

  473. Just A Guy says:

    entry level contracts being a minimum of 875k, that is to say.

  474. andrewberkshire says:

    League minimum for entry level contracts is 850K, league minimum for veterans I believe is 450K. As for Darche, it was reported earlier that the contract was for 550K but it could have been a mistake.

  475. Just A Guy says:

    Gotcha, thanks. I was listening to the team 990 earlier and they didnt have a number and since Plek’s contract got updated rather quickly, I thought more speculation about Darche was going on.

  476. The Capitalist Pig says:

    Man, is a Habs-related script any better?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ob1K6lseEQg

  477. Clay4bc says:

    I think of him as the goalie coach who helped Halak to become so great…is the glass half full or half empty? Well, it’s all empty now for us, and totally full for the Blues.

    We need to sign a starting goalie.

    __________________________

    “Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Denis Diderot

  478. camel_larry says:

    Wasn’t Rollie Melansen the goalie coach that messed up Price’s goaltending style? If so, it’s reported he just signed with vancouver.

     

    Go Habs Go!

  479. SeriousFan09 says:

    Luongo is more of a straight butterfly I think, Price’s hybrid style wasn’t really in line with Melanson’s thoughts on the position as I understand the complaints about Melanson’s influence on Carey.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  480. Chris says:

    One could argue that Price was responsible for his own issues, but I suppose it IS easier to make a scapegoat of Rollie Melanson.  So yes, he was the guy who messed up Price’s goaltending style.

  481. Max_a_million says:

    Laps won’t double his money after a bad year last year.

    You have about 1 to 1.5 million left for one free agent signing.

    Pyatt’s brother just signed for 2 m over 2 years, and he has better credentials than his Tom.  He will get less than 1 m as well.

    Pouliot might get 1 m, but he doesn’t have arbitration rights, so I think he will fall short as well.

     

     

  482. sidhu says:

    Here it is folks, the answer to our problems.  My suggestions are below — yes they are “out there,” but hey, who among us would have thought (even with our far-reaching imaginations) that we’d trade Halak for Eller and Shultz?  If that is possible, anything is possible.

    TRADES: 1) Price + Pacioretty + Hammer = Byfuglien + Ladd + Huet, 2) AK46 + SK74 = Jonathon Bernier

    SIGNINGS: Grebeshkov and Yann Danis

    CAP HITS:
    Under Contract (14) 42.427
    Gomez – 7.357
    Cammy – 6.000
    Gionta – 5.000
    Pleks – 5.000
    Moen – 1.500
    Eller – 1.27
    White – .850
    Darche – .700 (estimate)
    Markov – 5.750
    Spacek – 3.833
    Gill – 2.25
    Gorges – 1.1
    OB – .942
    Subban – .875

    Resign (3) 3.45 (all estimated)
    Lapierre – 1.25
    Pouliot – 1.25
    Pyatt – .950

    New (4) 8.343
    Byfuglien – 3.00
    Ladd – 2.25 (estimated)
    Grebeshkov – 2.50 (estimated)
    Bernier – .843

    Buyout (2) 2.375
    Laraque – .500
    Huet – 1.875

    TOTAL CAP HIT: 56.595
    SALARY CAP: 56.800

    PROJECTED LINES:
    Cammy-Pleks-Byfuglien
    Pouliot-Gomez-Gio
    Ladd-Eller-Moen
    Pyatt-Lapierre-Darche
    White

    Markov-Subban
    Gill-Gorges
    Grebeshkov-Spacek
    OB

    Bernier
    Danis

    Call me a dreamer, but a man can dream, can’t he?

  483. HFX-HabFan says:

    Dump Hammer, the Kostitsyns, resign Moore at 1.5 and Laps at 1.1, Price at 2-2.5, and either get a winger back in a salary dump trade, or sign a cheap one on the market.  Next year:

    Pouliot/Pacioretty-Gomez-Gionta, Cammalleri-Plekanec-AK46/other, Moen-Moore-Pacioretty/Pouliot, Pyatt-Lapierre-White

    Markov*-O’Byrne, Spacek-Subban, Gill-Gorges, Mara/Emelin

    Price, Biron/Niittymaki/Roloson?

  484. habstrinifan says:

    Disagree with one proviso! If he was given a program to work in order to  add muscle and upgrade his fitness and if he followed it then Pouliot WILL be a top six forward better than Higgins/Ryder/the K Brothers/ etc.

    If he didnt or if the team doesnt see to it then it will be another case of a top offensive draft pick, which he was.. being lost in Mtl. And of yes.. IF JM allows him to flourish.

     

  485. 24 Cups says:

    There seem to be a lot of differing viewpoints on how much cap space we have left, how many players we need to sign and what our final shopping list will be.  I think it’s fair to base projections on a 23 player roster.

    14 forwards – 7 defensemen – 2 goalies – plus a season long cushion of at least 1-1.5M. 

    This chart has MaxPac and Darche listed as signed Habs but who knows if they will even make the team.  Surely one of them will and maybe the other can be the 14 forward.  Conversely, Subban’s salary doesn’t count against the cap  (grey lettering) but he probably will make the team. 

    We still need to sign the two goalies and quite a few forwards (5 or 6).

    http://www.nhlnumbers.com/overview.php?team=MTL&season=1011

  486. Harditya_CareyPrice says:

    Darche’s cap hit is .500.

    And the salary cap is expected to increase.

  487. hablifting says:

    Boston picks up Campbell and Horton…we sign Pleks.

    Sigh.  So very frustrated.

  488. doug says:

    NHLPA voted to increase cap today despite escrow impact.  Means will likely be up ~2-2.5M.  Covers Pleks.

  489. badbalance says:

    No way Price is going anywhere, he is going to get signed for 5 years minumum

  490. andrewberkshire says:

    I think you mean Horton and Campbell, not the other way around. Campbell is certainly nothing special.

  491. RiverviewCanadien says:

    There are more and more of us thinking this is awesome for this team!

    GREAT POST!

  492. doug says:

    i don’t think so.  i think he’ll be signed for a couple of years for 2-2.5M per.  i think to sign longer than that he wouldn’t do it and to pay more we certainly shouldn’t.  honestly, he’s deserving of a $1M contract based on his play to date.

  493. joeybarrie says:

    With HUGE injuries it got us into the playoffs tied with the team that went to the Finals…

    My point was how well we would have done with our top two lines NOT missing 118 games…

    You do understand missing 118 games is like missing 3 players for a half season….

    Thats HALF the top two lines………….

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  494. joeybarrie says:

    Is this how we doubted Latendresse could score 30???

    If a guy scores 15 goals in 40 games, he can score 30 in 80…

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  495. Max_a_million says:

    They didn’t play with a 23 man roster last year.  Teams are moving away from having the cap space burning a hole in the press box.  I bet it’ll be 21, and call ups will come as necessary.

  496. PeterStone says:

    i thought Laps was @ 800K ? pouliot and Pyatt too ? I am assuming approx 10% raise for each, which I beleive is reasonable.  Brings them close to 1M$ per .. i really would be surprised to see anything less.  The only guys who sign for 550K are the Darche type , just happy to get a contract NHLers.

  497. SmartDog says:

    Reading between the lines I think the NTC has some wiggle room.

    ———
    Pleks is back – the goat came through on this one.

  498. joeybarrie says:

    You know I heard the same thing about Lats…..

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  499. Caper says:

    While not a big Pleks fan, he did give us a hometown discount. The Hockey news rated him as the number one UFA which threw me for a loop.  The next week is going to be very interesting however I don’t think it will be as wild as last year. Buff isn;t going to happen. I think we’ll see a fairly significant trade this week with a top 6 forward coming back.

  500. joeybarrie says:

    How much do you think he is worth?

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  501. hablifting says:

    He’s a scrappy kid, couldn’t hurt to have more guys like that.

  502. PeterStone says:

    saying the Cap will always rise reminds me of how they said in the US , housing prices never fall …

  503. Caper says:

    resigning Moore would be great and as far as I am concerned has found himself a home., However he overvalues himself. He played well for us and should just say the hell with it and take $1mm per for 2-3 years.

  504. SmartDog says:

    A PHILOSOPHICAL QUESTION RELATED TO A DISCUSSION EARLIER:

    Imagine the Habs were like the worst of the Flyers.  The whole team seemed to be a-holes, the coach was a jerk, a Brian Burke-type blowhard was the GM.   You see a profile on tv of a player you kind of like and you realize he’s either fake or just says some things that rub you the wrong way.  Then you realize that most of the players you REALLY liked were shipped out of town.  

    Do you still cheer for THIS team because of the jersey.  Is it JUST about the jersey?  Or is it also about the players weearing it – or even what the jersey MEANS?  In other words, if the team really seemed to have lost it’s way, do you still support it 100%?  Even if it might never find it’s way back again?

    ———
    Pleks is back – I can get that sweater now.

  505. andrewberkshire says:

    I wouldn’t mind him on the bottom 6, but there are better options out there. I’m hoping we make some salary moves on draft day, free up some space to acquire a big winger or two.

  506. hablifting says:

    Here’s to hoping buddy.  The thought of having 12mil+ tied up in Gomez and Pleks makes my head hurt.  Any good news at this point would be welcome.

  507. JIMVINNY says:

    I don’t know that someone who got tuned by Crosby can really be called scrappy.

  508. Exit716 says:

    His daddy works for the league. So now we can go nuts on the Bruins in terms of illegal stuff and Colin Campbell won’t be able to rule on it because of conflict of interest.

     

  509. Bugs says:

    Soooo, no 1st line power centre THIS year either, huh?

    Oh well.

    Allez les Bleus!…Blancs-Rouges!

    Aaaah, had y’all goin there, eh?

    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  510. Harditya_CareyPrice says:

    So now we need: a top six forward (end of Kostitsyn brothers’ saga in MTL), a back-up goaltender and sign the rest of RFA’s.

    If Gauthier can trade Hamrlik, that would be great (Not that I despise him, just for cap reasons).

  511. Harditya_CareyPrice says:

    Bugs! I felt so bad for France yesterday - they played a decent match against RSA and deserved a draw. Oh well…Go Germany?

  512. andrewberkshire says:

    Interesting question. Of course it’s partly about the players, and if the Canadiens conducted themselves in the same way as the Flyers I would find it difficult to cheer for them. However I still cheered for the Canadiens when the only player on the roster I liked was Koivu, so through thick and thin I’ll always be a Habs fan. There will always be at least one player to love.

  513. Max_a_million says:

    More like too big to fail and the bailout.

    The Rangers will not be in a position where they have to lower their cap number ever when they are spent to the cap, it would be a league wide disaster in most of the best markets that are spent up to the cap.  They take it on the back end.

    Everyone was chirping about the sky falling and the cap dropping for sure last year during a recession, guess what it went up 2 million.  

  514. alestar says:

    Who needs Buffy when we have Schultzie coming up!

     

    XXIV…and counting

  515. hablifting says:

    It’s definately not just the jersey.  I wouldn’t say I “hate” any players in particular, as they are who they are and it’s really the GM who is responsible for them being here.  However there are plenty of players I would rather see gone.  The last few years I have been less and less excited for a season to begin.  There never seems to be any real hope of improvement.  I can only hope that when Sept rolls around, things are looking up.

  516. TripleX says:

    Great Post!  You are exactly right, the problems facing the club today were sown on July 1, 2009.

    The Cinderella run the team had in the playoffs was incredible, but the clock has struck midnight and next season will be a rough one.

     

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  517. K-hab25 says:

    For me in every sport it is about the team (jersey), I’m as loyal to players as they are to my team. It’s a business and I’ll always put my companys success before an employee, no matter how much I like the employee.

  518. habsfansince91 says:

    he was going to get overpaid in free agency anyways, most likely for more money than 5 million. Take into account that he plays well 5-5, PP, PK and he plays well defensively AND he’s only 27 years old, i’m very happy with this deal. Only thing i’m not to crazy about is the no-trade clause.

  519. Bugs says:

    That depends.

    Do they win the Cup?

    Cuz I’ll cheer for a pack of mutant, tutu-wearin orangutans from the Ringling Circus if they win the Cup.

    In fact, if you teach one’of em to say Bonjour and Merci beaucoup, I’ll nominate him for captain.

    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  520. Max_a_million says:

    I looked it up on the hockey buzz salary cap page, you are right.  

    10% makes good sense, that was about what I was going with.  Laps was crap last year until the playoffs, which helps salary wise.

  521. Eliisa says:

    A good day in Montreal. I never really believed that Pleks would resign with us.

    I am also excited that Calgary is hosting Montreal for the Heritage Classic this year, in Calgary no less. You know where I’ll be on February 20th. :)

  522. JIMVINNY says:

    To a fan like myself, it’s never been a question.  There have been some bad, bad teams in my day, but that never stopped me from cheering them on.  It’ll always be about the Jersey, and although I have my favorites, and will still cheer for them when they move on, I still hope they absolutely suck against the habs.

     

    As for your last paragraph, there have been years, especially the late 90′s, when I thought the team would never find it’s way back.  I still cheered them on, and cried when they lost. With a history and a heritage like what the Habs have, I now realize there’s always hope that they’ll find their way back.  That may not be true for all teams, but it is for this one, and I for one will always believe.

  523. andrewberkshire says:

    Kostitsyns and 1st rounder in 2011 for Ladd and Byfuglien? I can dream right?

  524. Habs_Fan_1 says:

    Now if he could only contribute offensively during the playoffs…

  525. SmartDog says:

    LMAO

    Good answer Bugs.

    ———
    Pleks is back – the goat came through on this one.

  526. JIMVINNY says:

    See you there.  Have you heard about when the tickets will be available?

  527. andrewberkshire says:

    He’s Colin’s son? Damn… Well I guess the Bruins won’t be getting any suspensions next season.

  528. TripleX says:

    The problem is not the top of the cap but rather the bottom.  Carolina was already crying about difficulty in meeting the 43 million dollar minimum, now it has risen to around 45 million.  Since Bettman loves the sunbelt teams he will freeze the cap rather then let them fail.

     

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  529. HFX-HabFan says:

    Hamrlik to Anaheim for Lupul?

  530. SmartDog says:

    TRUE OR FALSE:

    The Habs suckitutde in the 90′s affected you PERSONALLY. 

    I think this was true for me.  I remember feeling so frusrated at so many losses, so many dumb moves. It made me really feel low sometimes.  A friend of mine jumped ship to the Sens and I envied him at one point but am glad I didn’t (especially to the Sens! LOL).

     

    ———
    Pleks is back – the goat came through on this one.

  531. Caper says:

    LOL. Lets hope.

  532. Bugs says:

    I have to say Spain cuz of family ties, but you know what?

    Go Uruguay.

    Won the first two after all and I find that heritage so exciting.

    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  533. HardHabits says:

    Plex + Cammy

    Gionta + Gomez

    Martin’s pairings

    each player played 20 minutes and then some per game in the playoffs. Huge minutes for forwards.

    Each of these players are great but I am concerned about the size factor, with those 4 being the Habs’ two top offensive pairings.

    Two more top six forwards are needed, not fill ins but real top sixers, not to mention a 3rd line that can score and 4th line that can bring energy or something other than a warm bench.

    Maybe it’ll just be two more pairings and interchangable parts to complete the trio of the month. Defensive Triads? Center D? Was that krob or doug’s musing?

    At least we know what the core is with these signings.

    I seriously doubt that Gomez would get traded in view of this especially given that Martin will be coach for a few years.

    Prolly a reason why Boucher was let go. Rumblings of Martin moving upstairs and Boucher taking over behind the bench. Shut that door.

    Halak taking over number 1 and getting that huge contract that prices Carey out of the running. Slam dunk that idea.

    At least these Habs are playing HardBall. Since last summer these have been aggressive moves on the market and also quite covert. No more rumours just bam!

    Beezasteezards. How can I help but like that shiznit.

  534. Eliisa says:

    I haven’t heard anything yet, I will send you a message if that changes. There is no way I am missing this opportunity.

  535. Bugs says:

    Ummm, Minnesota?

    Oh, no, wait. Calgary. Right. Sorry.

    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  536. andrewberkshire says:

    Holland!!

  537. danedmunds says:

    thank goodness you’re not the gm!

  538. hablifting says:

    You and me both.

  539. joeybarrie says:

    11 points in 19 games isnt great, but it was a pretty long season for Pleks. He had played EVERY game in the reg season PP and PK. He had the most ice time of any other forward. Lots of injuries to make up for… He struggled in the end, but he didnt do that bad in the playoffs…

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  540. SmartDog says:

    Have to admit I was worried.

    But I had faith Pleks wanted to be here.  Very happy Gauthier had his priorities straight.  Pleks rocks.

    ———
    Pleks is back – now how do we ship Gomez out?

  541. andrewberkshire says:

    I’d do that deal in a second.

  542. Max_a_million says:

    Or drop the floor

  543. JIMVINNY says:

    Absolutely true!!!!

     

    My earliest hockey memory is the habs winning in 5 against LA.  11 years old, and it was a great time to be a habs fan.  My fanaticism didn’t really start until 3 or 4 years later, when they were at their peak of futility.  Roy was traded for peanuts, Saku blew his knee out while leading the league in scoring, yep, it was a brutal time to be a Habs fan. 

    So yes, it definitely affected me personally, but perhaps not in the way that you mean.  Starting out that way made it then, and makes it now, much easier to let the bad stuff slide.  I started being a fan when it was the worst it ever was.  I see a lot more promise in the teams of the last few years then I did in those teams, and it makes it that much easier to cheer for them now.

  544. HardHabits says:

    Millisecond.

  545. joeybarrie says:

    Lucky girl… I will be in Montreal this week, maybe I can figure out a week in Calgary for the game…

    Hmmm, or i could go back to Belize….. Calgary in the winter or Belize…..

    Sorry Eliisa, I know of a Canadian Bar in San Pedro that will show the game… I will be watching in my shorts…

    You should come south……In fact we should all go south… HabsIO Summit in San Pedro at Crazy Canucks Beach Bar…

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  546. JIMVINNY says:

    Sounds good, thanks.

  547. 24 Cups says:

    The Habs always start the season with a 23 man roster (for a variety of reasons).  Only injuries impact on that number.  Waivers also plays a huge part in it.  I still say you need to budget for 14 forwards and 7 Dmen.

  548. SmartDog says:

    Good quick action moderatorman!  Or woman.  Whatever.

     

    ———
    Pleks is back – the goat came through on this one.

  549. Chorske says:

    I think it’s ridiculous to cheer the jersey blindly. In an era where the players move from team to team depending on the money, in an era where popular players (and captains) get traded with no sensitivity to fan (or player) loyalty or morale- if the Canadiens are a business like Quebecor or Alcan or Bombardier- well the, cheering blindly for the jersey makes you a sheep. A mindless sheep who bleats on command. And I ain’t no sheep.

    And don’t anyone tell me to go fecking cheer for another team either- my heart is with the Habs, but that doesn’t mean I am going to “stand by my man” idiotically if they make a move with which I disagree. If the Habs treat me right as a fan, I will buy the eejit flags and wear the eejit jerseys. If they present a poor show, if they run their shizzit badly, I will ignore them- much like I did through the late 90s and early 2000s.

    The only way that makes me less of a fan is if you define “fan” as “mindless eejit who cheers without thinking”. As in,”fanatic”.

    I should also add that I really liked last year’s edition of the Habs- they have character and they don’t quit. I definitely prefer the current edition over that pre-blowup one, full of mercurial types who picked and chose when to show up. I like these guys. So I will wait and see.

  550. Exit716 says:

    Can someone at the Gazette ask their former colleague Mr. Farber why Pat Burns was snubbed?
    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/what-were-the-hockey-hall-of-fame-voters-thinking/article1614021/

  551. SeriousFan09 says:

    Yes, come back to the light side HH, we have pie!

    Next up, Kostitsyns shuffled off for a piece of the puzzle.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  552. SeriousFan09 says:

    League policy forbids Lupul being moved in a deal that doesn’t involve Pronger.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  553. joeybarrie says:

    UM go England….HELLO?????

    Wait are we talking about the next team to be disqualified or to win???

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  554. Chorske says:

    True to some extent. But I had a hot French-Canadian girlfriend and I was up to my arse in work, doing grad studies and travelling in the Arctic. So I had a lot of big cool fish to fry. I think I was more inclined to treat the Habs the way I treat a family member who is being an arsehole- detach with love, ignore them until they get their crap together, door’s always open if you want to say “sorry” and make amends- which the Habs have done.

  555. Matt_in_TO says:

    Happy to have Pleks signed and out of the way but I’m not too crazy about the term and definitely not crazy at all about the NTC.

     

    - In Price We Trust

  556. Bill J says:

    Excellent post, makes one think…

    BTW SD – would like your answer to this question ;)

    In my case, I will always be a CH at heart.

    I was actually prepared, and had accepted that PG was going to ship Carey out.

    And somewhat like you, believed Pleks was all but a goner.

    PG so far (still biting my nails on Price sadly lol) has shown he means business.

     

    Anyways back to the topic, I have been a CH Fan for many, many years. Have lived in other NHL Cities (Montreal, Ottawa, Vancouver, and the dreaded Toronto) and have stood strong in defending the Habs anywhere I was, with the sole exception being my biggest disappointment – Patrick Roy’s departure.  When that happened, I boycotted the Habs & NHL in general for 1 season, not longer because ultimately I couldn’t hate the Habs forever, and when asked about it I generally spit on the trade.  But that was a bad one for me.

    If CP31 is to be traded, he would not have the same effect.  I was after all speaking about Patrick.  I think my pain was understandable in that case.

     

  557. smiler2729 says:

    I really don’t think there is any interest in either Kostitsyn brother in the NHL.

  558. andrewberkshire says:

    Nanosecond.

  559. andrewberkshire says:

    Did you Lupul’s tweet the other day about him going to the spa?

  560. Bill J says:

    Yesterday!

    :P HA!

    lol

  561. Chorske says:

    I would be astonished if the Habs picked a goalie.

  562. Eliisa says:

    I was surprised when I saw my TSN text message (not all of us can work and HIO simultaneously after all) that Pleks signed. I figured too much time had passed and we would’ve been saying goodbye. The contract is quite long, but it seems that is the way it’s been going. Thoughts on that one SD? He has good chemistry with Cammalleri (I’d say they’ve “gelled” just fine!).

    I am interested to see what else our club is in store for.

  563. Bill J says:

    HUH – whad’I'miss ? lol

  564. showey47 says:

     He deserves the ntc just for loyalty alone. Just look at guys like komi and souray as examples who said all the right things during the final season of their contracts, then bolted for the money after July 1. Considering Tomas was probably the best ufa center available this summer he probably could have fetched more on the open market. We also don’t know the limitations of his ntc. There could be a stipulation in his contract that says after year 3 there is a list of 10 teams he will accept a trade to.

  565. avatar_58 says:

    I could ask you the same doggy. You seem to have a real issue with Gomez and yet he is EXACTLY the kind of player I love – mouthy and sticks up for his mates. He doesn’t take anything, even if you are 7 feet tall. He doesn’t pot 50 goals? He makes too much of someone else’s money? Oh well, at least I *enjoy* watching him. Don’t care if he’s not Crosby. Hell, he made it a whole round further than that whiney punk.

     

    Also if it were *only* about the jersey would I be so obsessed over guys like PK or Price? I love the dude in the jersey. You guys all gang up on the poor kids when they don’t do well, me I always believe they’ll bounce back.

     

    I hated losing Halak because I liked Halak, not just because he had an awesome playoff round or two….

  566. SeriousFan09 says:

    Yep, good to see he has a sense of humour about his movement through the NHL.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  567. showey47 says:

    There is no chance the habs will pick a goalie.

  568. Chris says:

    Tied to the Canadian dollar, Max.

    If the dollar drops, which it very well could if the European issues drive more people back to the “safety” of the American dollar, a lot of the NHL’s financial health goes down the toilet.  The league is in pretty dire trouble, with double digit teams reeling financially.  All of this is hidden by a robust Canadian dollar that keeps the Canadian teams raking in the cash.

    Pray that that continues.

  569. Eliisa says:

    I was planning on going to Montreal again in March for a week, like I did this year. However, upon looking at the schedule I think that I will go in January instead and catch the Pens, Rangers and Flames.

    Call me obsessed but I think I would maybe rather be at the game, Joey. Crazy, I know. So while you are in your shorts, having a beer and watching a screen I will be freezing my butt off, cheering for our Habs live with thousands of other fans. Celebrating after an epic win and rubbing it in my friend’s faces.

  570. Eliisa says:

    Whoa. That was impressive.

  571. showey47 says:

    I was pretty pissed off that Pat Burns didn’t get in. I also have to shake my head when ”experts” say certian players shouldn’t get in if they didn’t win a cup. Winning a cup is a team accomplisment,getting into the HHOF is based on individual accomplishments.   

  572. Rugger says:

    Tony, when you do not mention Halak, Gainey or Gauthier I find that I am agreeing and enjoying your posts.

  573. andrewberkshire says:

    Bill, you damn cheater. You can’t go back in time!!! =P

  574. Max_a_million says:

    maybe AK for free if we dump him, but not for anything of much value.

    We are probably better off just playing out the string with AK.  We won’t getting anybody out of free agency who approaches his skill set.  Maybe he has a great year?!?

  575. Max_a_million says:

    Boo Serge Savard, Boo Michael Farber, Boo the lot of them … We want Pat!

  576. Bill J says:

    I agree.

    :) Tony

  577. 24 Cups says:

    Somebody tried to post a soccer comment:-)

  578. Max_a_million says:

    They did open with 23 last year, you are probably right.  I just have a hunch that they will move away from this.  It seems like a waster of a players time, and more importantly a waste of cap space.  

    Didn’t Calgary end a couple years ago with a roster of 17 or 15, something ridiculous

  579. 24 Cups says:

    You’re right about Calgary.  Sutter couldn’t count to 56.  Only his past history is aving his butt.

  580. Max_a_million says:

    Now there is a GM that is royally screwing up a good thing in Calgary.  

    He is getting jobbed on every trade, and overpaying for crap.

  581. Bill J says:

    Tony – way to find interesting things to talk about lol – nice find ;)

    in response to Chorske and showey… When Price was drafted #5 in ’05…  With Theodore in net as far as we where concerned.

    Where we not a bit shocked ? lol I know I was.  So much that I did my research on CP31 … And was impressed frankly.

    That being said, I know nothing more then what Tony posted here about Pickard.  Although I remembered something, and one may correct me I “may” be wrong.

    Wasn’t Chet Pickard the goalie who took over for CP31 when he left Tri-City for the Bulldogs ?  Very similar style to CP31 also.  Weird connection.

    That being said though, I think this team believes in CP31, and I feel it with every grain in my body, if they felt comfortable with not having Halak, it is because they feel CP31 is finally ready…

    One can only hope at this point, and wish him the best – because he is a Hab, and has the toughest job in the NHL now… Quite literally.

  582. Matt_in_TO says:

    True, but after seeing the mess that NTCs have cause here in Toronto I don’t want to see us start to go down the same road.

     

    - In Price We Trust

  583. Chorske says:

    Pretty much.

  584. joeybarrie says:

    Your obsessed, but you make it sound good. Not as good as Belkin Belizean beer and getting a tan while watching…But then again maybe you should reconsider. The people who own this Crazy Canucks Beach Bar are from Calgary… We can rub it in their faces together… Of course you being in a Bikini has NOTHING to do with it…

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  585. Bill J says:

    lol – oops, wrong turn!!!

  586. joeybarrie says:

    Its hard for me to be against the fact that we got Gomez, Cammi, Gio, and Pleks under long term contracts. They will have a LONG time to become a good core. Hopefully we offer Price a good long contract, and Re-sign Marky… Pick up a few players to tie up the loose ends, AND replace the sisters and we are looking good.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  587. Harditya_CareyPrice says:

    Germany for the win ;)

  588. Harditya_CareyPrice says:

    Netherlands has a pretty decent team! Actually, I prefer calling them Holland as well.

  589. Harditya_CareyPrice says:

    That’s a solid post Tony! Well said!

  590. punkster says:

    Yo…off topic…have you seen Mcfarland play and what do you think?

    FREE TIMO!

  591. Bill J says:

    I particularly love the fact I read the thread, and posted that in less then a minute.

    Talk about perfect timing to refresh or something, lol I just noticed the time stamps now.  Too funny. lol

  592. HardHabits says:

    Actually it’s the Habs who have come over to the dark son. Luke. I am your father.

  593. Chris says:

    People said that in 2005 too…I think Pierre McGuire almost swallowed his tongue when the Habs announced Carey Price as their pick.  :)

  594. SeriousFan09 says:

    Not that I think about it, perhaps JM’s frown is when he’s trying to force-choke the refs, or the Kostitsyns.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  595. Mikey_39 says:

    This is good news.  Very good news.  I have been pretty disappointed in Management.  Not signing Saku, Firing scouts without investing any money in any new ones, trading Halak…

    But this is good stuff.  We retain a player who can produce in Montreal, and that is saying a lot.  He took a hometown discount, considering someone would have offered way more.  And he gets taxed like crazy here too so he’s taking considerably less to stay in Montreal = Character and Commitment to the Habs

    We need to sign a big winger for one of the top two lines tho. 

    We give the rookies a chance to prove themselves.

    Extend Markov’s contract till the end of time

    We are in business people

  596. doug says:

    Last year many people loved this team on July 1.  I didn’t – I thought we were in the middle with cap problems going forward.  Some saw that’s where we were heading, some said it was silly to complain about money.

    Now it’s one year later and we’re in the exact predicament one could have predicted last year.  The only way we WOULDN’T be in this predicament would be if Plekanec had sucked and we could have low-balled him or traded him, or if Price had stepped up and we wouldn’t be licking our wounds over losing Halak.  Those are fairly minor things – the rest of the team, as designed and planned for by Bob, is here.  Plus Pouliot and minus Latendresse, plus Moore and minus some future if we don’t sign him which I think we will. 

    They were lucky to get as far as they did last year and now we still have four more years of Gomez to contend with and the best we can hope for is an incredible economy, a rising cap, and the ability to get rid of contracts over the next couple of years and maybe ship Gomez two years for now in a salary dump move to a team that can withstand the cap hit as his salary decreases in out years.

    Am I disgruntled?  I’m closing in on 12 months past disgruntled.  This move had to be made but it should have been avoided years ago with a longer term signing like they did with Kostitsyn.  Should do those middle of the road contracts more often because while Kostitsyn was a disappointment he’s a somewhat affordable one.  We have to stop whining and just accept what was clear to see: Bob Gainey is a horrible capologist and it hurt us big time and will for some time.  Don’t blame Gauthier for dumping Halak to try to keep salary for Plekanec. . . he needed to keep the cheaper goalie.  The rest of the mediocrity is what Gainey left us.  It was a terrific playoff run and I’d suggest everyone remember it and enjoy it.  The future was bleak going into last year and we’re in year 2 of some pain.  Next year losing Hamrlik’s contact will help, and maybe we’ll have to get rid of Markov if Subban steps up, realizing that won’t be near an even deal.  It’s just steady as she goes for a while. . . I’m not happy but I’ve accepted our fate.  Everyone will get there in time.

  597. Dethroner says:

    I have a few little comments after reading alot of crap here over the past few days…

    first off, the pleks signing is great. except the length is a bit hard to swallow, considering how much long term we have tied up. but i would rather keep good players in our system. now if we can only get some hometown dicounts on our other players as well…

    a comment for everyone saying, dump hammer, dump gomez, they suck, blah blah….first of all, it’s not as simple as that. and just because a player like gomez doesnt put up the numbers you’d like him to in trms of goals doesnt mean he doesnt have a huge impact, and play way bigger than his height. I for one think we should keep gomez for at least two more years before we try and find a suitor. his cap hit will be pretty small by then, and much easier to move. Also…no one ever seems to mention what gainey did last off season. he didnt simply change half the roster of the team. he didnt simply change the identity….he didnt simply dump a bunch of fan favorites in favour of a bunch of “random small overpaid” guys….HE CHANGED THE MENTALITY AND ATTITUDE OF THE TEAM AS A WHOLE.

    the biggest aspect that gomez brings to the table is not his points, and it’s not his two way game. it’s not his versatility. it’s his attitude on the ice and in the locker room and his effect on other players, especially younger players. gionta is the same type of guy. gomez has a cup. so does gill. bringing in those guys wasnt just about signing cammalleri….it was about changing the attitude of the team into a positive winning mental attitude.

    so you can say he costs 3 mil too much all you want, and yeah, you may be right, but every single team in this league has at least one albatross contract on their team, and that’s just the way it is. at least our albtross has nearly a point a game in the playoffs, in super versatlie, has won a cup, is an awesome rolemodel for younger players, contrbutes to the community, plays 5 inches biger than he actually is, and makes everyone around him look better. so lay off. and as for hammer, well, i think he was awesome for us this year. he’s been a bit slow, and yeah, you can say a few things about his contract too, but if our younger d guys start stepping up we may be able to trade him later in the season. considering the size of his contract, we wouldnt be getting anywhere near fair market for him at this point.

    anyone suggesting that we trade markov, while i understand the potential benifits, is conpletely idiotic. he will be a hab for life. thats how that is supposed to be. you dont really understand what part he had to play in the development of streit, gorges, and how he will on weber and subban and obyrne…he is our mvp year in and year out. look at the playoffs this year. every team who made it far and did well did it on the strength of their D…halak was great, but it was our defensive core that blocked almost double the shots of the next best team. and it was our defense, and 2-way forwards who kept ovie and sid and malkin off the scoresheets. look at philly, look and chicago. yeah they had depth, but the bigest reason they went as far as they did was they had the sickest, best d-cores in the playoffs. i would argue we had the 3rd or 4th best d-core in the playoffs. at least in terms of how well we showed up when the time came.

    the biggest signing we need to get over with are price, lapierre and pyatt(for cheap). i would love moore to come back as his speed and two way play are a perfect match for our system, i say he’s determined to test free agency market and try and get as much cash as possible, however, if we can get him or say 1.5 for two years, i’d say DO IT. eller can play center and lw, so can white. so can pyatt. so can lapierre. we’d have a set c in gomez, pleks, moore, and then white/pyatt/lapierre/eller.

    the one thing i think we really need though is some size on the RW…if we could sign colby armstrong for say 2.5 mil, i say go for him over moore…that and a good veteran goaltender…but seeing as there is such an abundance of ufa goalies this year, i say we just with til a bunch are signed and then we shuld be able to get someone like biron, nittymaki, or whoever for 1 mil or so.

    anyways, while yes, we are in a small cap bind for the next few years, we have a great youth movement, and we will definatly be able to trade cammy or gomez when the time is right if we need the cap space for youngsters. the one thing i have to give a huge amount of credit to gainey for is changing the attitude of the team. there is no apathy among the team anymore…do you remember two years ago? one year ago? do you think that kind of apathy and dispair would be possible considering our current roster? of course young players like pleks had a crappy year that year. you would too…all the bs in the press? mob connections? kovalez bringin the team down and all those injuries…sheesh…..thank god we’re playing like winners now. i’d give ak one more shot, and if he doesnt pick it up really quickly than i say we trade him for another project….underacheiver for underacheiver sorta deal….one more chance to come in and proove his worthiness.

  598. doug says:

    i completely agree with you that Pleks is to be commended for taking less than market value.  he’s a very good player and given the weakness of this free agency class could have commanded more, but didn’t.  he’s a great guy, takes pride in his work, and wants to be the best that he can.  he’s getting brian gionta money in his ufa year and he’s a lot younger with more points last year and a brighter future. 

    i don’t know if we could really afford him, but that was written by the $18.3M salary cap trio from last year.  of course we’d all rather have pleks be our number two and someone else be a number one, but we don’t, so we have two number twos for the foreseeable future, and pleks is amazing.  forget the playoff crap. . . he’s a tremendous talent and people seem to have forgotten how he carried us for a few months when no one else was playing well or they were hurt.

  599. joeybarrie says:

    Based on last years per game goals…

    Pleks   25 goals

    Gomez  13 goals

    Gionta  38 goals

    Cammalleri  33 goals

    Pouliot  32 goals

    Kostitsyn 25 goals (if we keep him)

    166 goals for the top two lines…

    Chicago top two line goals last season: 146…

    Pittsburgh top two line goals last season: 154…

    Vancouver top two line goals last season: 173…

    San Jose top two line goals last season:  162…

    Detroit top two line goals last season:  119…

    Not too bad. So I don’t know if we are in as bad a spot as everyone thinks we are. I hope Pouliot goes back to his scoring ways, and we either get Kost to play consistent or trade him for someone who will…

    As for the 3rd and 4th lines, we arent looking bad.

    Pyatt, Eller, Moore, Lapierre, Darche… And we could still sign Metro is he is cheap enough…

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  600. Max_a_million says:

    You rock dude, someone who gets it.

    This is a great team to follow and like with great character guys who will fight tooth and nail.

    Remember adding Subban and Eller to last years lineup is like signing 2 big free agents.  I think the defense will be much more explosive with 2 big time quaterbacks.  

    Thanks for making me feel better about coming here.

  601. PeterStone says:

    there is no more money for any free agent signings.  you have 9M$ and 5 players left to sign. Including a goalie who will cost you at least 3M$ per . Pyatt , Pouliot and Lapierre will cost 1M$ each and you still need a backup, and I suspect he isnt coming from Hamilton.

    And, the Cap hit doesnt go down as the salary goes down, whatever the Gomez cap hit is today = what it will be in 3 years.  

  602. Harditya_CareyPrice says:

    WOW, we got this guy for cheap!

    We really need Plekanec, him and Cammalleri single handedly carried the Canadiens several times. 

    Now we have a first line center. I know he’s comparable to Gomez but Gomez has the capability of 50-60 points whereas Pleks had 70 points with AK46 as his winger (and bottom 6 forwards when AK was injured). He still racked up 70 points! Played injured in the playoffs too.

    If he had another solid top 6 forward on his line along with Cammalleri, this guy can rack up to 80 points.

    And this guy is a beast defensively as well. I am telling you, we got him for cheap.

  603. Mikey_39 says:

    Exactly!  People forget really quickly…Plecky didn’t have stable wingers ALL YEAR!  And he still put up 70 points! Now that Plecky and Cammalleri have built some chemistry, I bet Plecky will top 70 points.  Especially if AKost has a good season, or gets replaced by a big winger. 

    Not only is he an offensive threat, but night after night he is placed against the best lines in the NHL.  He is very responsible defensively, and logs in a lot of minutes on the PK.

    He was WAY overused this season, and he played in the olympics.  i honestly think that’s why he was less of a threat in the playoffs.  He was great against washington, and pretty good against the Penguins.  All the ice time caught up to him.

     

  604. SmartDog says:

    You already know you’re preaching to the choir with me with this post.

    As you said, GAiney was a crappy capologist, and how can you be a GM and not understand that?  I won’t get into ‘if’s, but I have this odd optimisim that maybe Gauthier ‘gets it’ and sees how Gomez is in the way of a strong team and signed Pleks because he IS cheaper, younger, more versatile, puts up more points, and is a better example of what a professional should be. But that since he did choose Pleks over Halak maybe he’s got some vision for moving Gomez. Just maybe. 

    As you say, we’ll have to wait and see.  But I don’t see a cup coming during the Gomez years unless maybe he develops Pleks determination to prove himself and a few more things fall into place.

    ———
    Pleks is back – the goat came through on this one.

  605. Harditya_CareyPrice says:

    I doubt Pouliot will score 32…but obviously there are chances I might get shocked by the red ;)

  606. Max_a_million says:

    Cap will always rise.  The NHL is not going to screw it’s teams over.  They might peel it away from the players on the back end in escroll.

    Pleks deal is a steal.  

    They are doing a great job with the cap, Bob grabbed the best wingers last year.  We grabbed the best center this year.  SIgning Halak would be doing a bad job with the cap when you have a cheaper alternative without arbitration rights.

  607. SmartDog says:

    you got it baby!

     

    ———
    Pleks is back – the goat came through on this one.

  608. doug says:

    damn it i came on here to get mad and instead i’m feeling hopeful.

    i do love pleks. 

  609. SeriousFan09 says:

    If Pouliot takes his summer conditioning seriously, he could probably be a much stronger player going into next season, he’s barely gained 10 pounds since draft day and is probably lacking the muscle needed to effectively play at his position, probably why he’s gotten banged up a few times, MIN players are not known for their conditioning.

    With a stronger body and a fresh start next season, he could probably do much better.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  610. RetroMikey says:

    I dunno but this Pleks signing is going to bite us in the long term.

    Quite surprised we signed him to a 6 year no trade contract at 30M!  Yikes!

    He better produce and even in the playoffs, I don;t want to hear about his defensive game being an asset to this club when we need offensive output and bigger players up front.

    Time will tell but all I got to say is “Welcome Tomas”  you better produce higher offensive numbers since Gomez has been a flop.

    This coming season is going to be very interesting.

     

    “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

  611. Kooch7800 says:

    I hope you are right!  We really need some more offense though. I guess we are not resigning Moore now with the addition of Eller. I would imagine he will be the third line Centre next year

  612. Chris says:

    Plekanec was the primary defender on Crosby, and did a very good job of defending him.  A lot of credit also has to go to the defence corps on that assignment, though.

    Plekanec had very little to do with shutting down Ovechkin.  As a centre, he was responsible for Backstrom, who had his way with the Habs.  If the Capitals had stuck to the gameplan of letting Backstrom handle the puck and distrubute, Montreal was out in 5.  But Boudreau was unable to rein in his idiotic stars (Ovechkin, Semin) and let them try to do everything by themselves, allowing Spacek in particular to shut Ovechkin down.

    On the offensive side, I’m afraid that Plekanec was quite ineffective after the first round.  4 assists against Pittsburgh and a goose egg to show for the Philly series. He posted 25 shots over the last 12 games of the playoffs.  That is not getting it done.  Rumours abound that he was playing hurt, so I will cut him some slack, but it is a stretch to say that he didn’t disappear.

    I like Plekanec.  But that contract is going to tie a rather large anchor to him in terms of expectations.  I think he can live up to it.  For his sake, I really hope that he does.

  613. Max_a_million says:

    He was the best centre available, sometimes you have to dance with the devil. At least it wasn’t as expensive as some feared (6m).

  614. SmartDog says:

    Plek didn’t dissappear.  He had two great rounds – like the rest of the team.  His points were good and he was busy shutting down Ovechkin and Crosby.  The whole team ran out of gas after two 7-game series.  In fact, part of the problem with the Flyers was there was no-one player that Pleks could shut down… the Flyers were too balanced.

    You know, the team the Bruins fell to in one of the most embarrassing collapses in the history of sport.

    ———
    Pleks is back – the goat came through on this one.

  615. Clay4bc says:

    But we now lack the goaltending to bring it  all together…

    And I think we won’t get Byfugelin – no cap room left.

    __________________________

    “Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Denis Diderot

  616. nfldanchor says:

    A lot of fans here are predicting doom for the Habs next year. All I can say is that last years version of the Habs was the best I have seen in quite a few years. They suffered a lot of key injuries but still made the playoffs . They upset two of the top 4 teams in the Nhl and had a great year. We have PK Subban for a whole season next year and I think if we can get Byfugelin we can do even better!

  617. joeybarrie says:

    Pouliot wont sign for 850k…More like 1-1.25 million

    Lapierre wont sign for 800k… More like 1 million

    I like Moore for 1.5 million.

    trade AK, SK and we are in business….

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  618. Max_a_million says:

    We have about 9 million left for 5 forwards and 2 goalies.  i think it will look something like this salary wise.

     

    Pouliot – 850k

    Moore – 1.5m

    Pyatt – 850k

    Lapierre – 800k

    1 knew free agent for 1 million

     

    Price – 2.5  m

    Back up goalie – 1.25 m

    Total = 8.75 m

     

    Forward Lines 

    Gomez, Gionta, Pouliot

    Plekanec, Cammy, AK

    Moore, Eller, New Guy

    Laps, Pyatt, Moen

    Darche

    The habs didn’t carry 23 last year, and I can’t see teams have money sitting in the press box anymore either.

    AK might still get traded if something opens up.  The good news here is that Eller can put pressure on Benny and AK to perform.  

    I am very pleased with Gauthier and Gainey.  Remember last year Gainey overpaid Pleks and many people bitched about it, turns out he bought some good will and loyalty that saves us 6 million and landed us the best free agent center available.  Good work Bob!

  619. rogieshan says:

    How does Pyatt end up making more money than Lapierre?

  620. Chris says:

    I liked Moore’s speed and intelligence.  I think he is the best hockey player of the bunch, and I felt he was perhaps the best Habs player in the Philadelphia series.  If he can be had cheap, I would say go for it.

    Metropolit is basically done…great guy, but they need an upgrade.  (Don’t be surprised to see Metropolit become an excellent coach some day, by the way…the guys that had to work hard for everything they got during their careers often make the best coaches!)

    I’ve never been sold on Lapierre.  I think he is a great 4th line centre, but I think we’re asking too much of him on the third line.  Put him on the fourth line, give him the heavy PK minutes and conserve Plekanec and Gomez for offensive situations.

    Pyatt is a smart, speedy player that is a coach’s dream.  He’s also rather limited in terms of skill.

  621. punkster says:

    Why are we so far apart on Moore? Just wondering.

    The rest, well they’re all speculatative thoughts so…so be it. (Interesting discussions could be had around a “C”)

    FREE TIMO!

  622. crabvader says:

    Fact is, they are gonna have to get rid of some key personnel.

    Stop acting like we are broke when we have money left.

  623. habs4ever2894 says:

    For who ? Have you forgotten about our RFA’s? After we wont even have the money to resign MAB… Which is sad.

  624. habs4ever2894 says:

    The talent that those teams have is ridiculous they can have at least 2 top six wingers leave and they could still be considered cup contenders. This team doesn’t have any depth and the fact that some people think that the K-bros and Hamrlik will just disappear is wishful thinking. This team is gonna look a lot like last years and frankly that just isn’t good enough.

  625. The Big One says:

    Good comment.  We all forget about that.

  626. habbyone says:

    Keep in mind with the tax situation in Montreal he’s getting a lot less. This is a good signing. Now we need to get Halak back and i’m a happy camper. lol.

  627. Clay4bc says:

    You know who always brought out the best in his linemates, Chris? Koivu. He made a lot of players look better than they really were. I miss that guy…

    __________________________

    “Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Denis Diderot

  628. Chris says:

    Disclaimer #1:  I quite like Tomas Plekanec.  He came up through the system and has been an upstanding guy his entire career.

    Disclaimer #2:  I quite dislike Scott Gomez.  But anybody who has read my posts for a while already knew this.

    Now to my post, with those disclaimers put forth…

    Looking at Scott Gomez and Tomas Plekanec as the Habs top two centres for the next 3 seasons or more (Gomez might be tradeable at the end of his current deal), I have one rather giant concern.

    We’ve got two centres now that have struggled throughout their careers to elevate the play of their linemates.  Time and time again, we see the comment from the Gomez and Plekanec supporters that “If only they had half-decent linemates, they would put up 70-80 points”.  This is obviously an easily agreeable assertion…ANY NHL player is better with elite level linemates.

    This season, with Cammalleri as his primary winger, Plekanec got off to a very hot start with 10 goals and 36 assists in 43 games at the beginning of January.  Over that time, he had 98 shots on goal, an average of 2.3 shots per game.

    But then the wheels fell off and Cammalleri got injured, causing Plekanec to revert to his bad habit of looking to shoot on every offensive foray.  In the latter 39 games of the season, Plekanec put up 15 goals but only 9 assists.  Without an elite level scorer on his wing, his playmaking dried right up.  Conversely, he was shooting more, firing 118 shots on net for an average of 3.0 shots per game.

    You can also look at the success of 2007-08, when he had that elite level linemate in the inspired Alex Kovalev, versus the dismal failure of 2008-09, when he had an anchor in the form of the floating and puck-hogging version of Alex Kovalev as a linemate. It was pretty obvious that Alex Kovalev drove that line, making his linemates better in 2007-08 or dragging them down into the gutter with him in 2008-09.

    People are always pointing the finger at Andrei Kostitsyn for his lack of scoring, and this is 100% justifiable.  But there is a small part of me that really wonders how easy it is to play on Plekanec’s line, as he is not a classic playmaker with his relatively high shot totals the past couple of seasons.  I wonder how a guy like Andrei Kostitsyn might play with Lars Eller or Dominic Moore…Gomez and Plekanec are very similar players, and that style clearly doesn’t fit with Kostitsyn.  Maybe no style would…he could just be clueless.  But it’s certainly worth considering before yet another first round pick is squandered.

    I would absolutely love to see Plekanec realize that his line is much more effective when he takes the shots that are available to him and looks to distribute the puck otherwise.  With the pressure that comes with his big new contract, I can only hope that he doesn’t try to do too much himself. 

     

  629. andrewberkshire says:

    Plekanec didn’t play regular shifts with Cammalleri until the game against Detroit where Gionta, Gomez and half the team were out with injury.

    The biggest difference in Plekanec’s assist numbers in the latter half of the season IMO is that the PP ran into a rut, and the coaching staff focused it around MAB instead of trying to use all 5 players on the ice. The same reason the PP sucked in the playoffs.

    And last I checked Gomez elevated Gionta pretty darn well, and for at least a month he elevated Pouliot like crazy as well. The biggest issues facing the Habs this year are health and consistency, not the playmaking ability of the centers.

  630. Max_a_million says:

    Maybe, but AK fit with Plekanec the year we had the best record a few years back quite nicely.

  631. punkster says:

    I like some of your views here (the Kovalev factor in particular) and dislike others (the Kostitsyn factor…I just can’t get on board with keeping him) however I tend to agree with Andrew regarding the injury issues around Pleks which affected his play in the second half. Good thoughts though.

    (By the way, in reference to my earlier response to SmartDog and my choosing Laps ahead of Moore, I must admit to being a rube when it comes to our 3rd/4th line players. I understand your selecting Moore though but as much as Laps ticked me off this season I just think he may have more upside if he uses his head more).

    FREE TIMO!

  632. HabsTrueBlue says:

    Yawn – more mindless Gomez bashing!

    For Gomez at least, the quote from your imaginary strawman, “If only they had half-decent linemates, they would put up 70-80 points” is  more than just “obviously an easily agreeable assertion” since Gomez actually does has three seasons with 70 points scored and one with 84 points scored.

  633. joeybarrie says:

    Lapierre made 800k last year, Pyatt made 685k…

     

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  634. Max_a_million says:

    Those figures were opposite on hockey buzz, but after looking it up elsewhere I think you are correct.

    Thanks

  635. Max_a_million says:

    Because he made a lot more last year, and its about getting raises.

  636. andrewberkshire says:

    Excellent breakdown.

  637. lavie says:

    Well said. And the encouraging point is that he wants stay with us.

  638. punkster says:

    Please copy and save this list for use over the next few days as the wingnuts come out of the walls.

    FREE TIMO!

  639. Les Habitants says:

    One smart pup!

    Someone must feed you a lot of fish, they say it’s good for the brain!

     

    The last time the leafs won the cup it was still just a bowl!!

  640. pic1983 says:

    Great Post!

    You can tell who the people who actually watch all the games are, and the people who just pretend to be fans.  Anyone who watched pleks all year knows he brings WAY more to the table than just points.

  641. pic1983 says:

    Great Post!

    You can tell who the people who actually watch all the games are, and the people who just pretend to be fans.  Anyone who watched pleks all year knows he brings WAY more to the table than just points.

  642. SmartDog says:

    For those of you who don’t like this signing – YOU ARE NUTS!!

    READ THIS:

    Plekanec:

    - Finished 26th in league scoring last year tied with LeCavalier, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, and Eric Stall, who all make over a million more per year than he just signed for and on average TWO million more.

    - Is one of the most durable players on the Habs, as well as arguably the most versatile.

    - Is the only top-6 center in the league to lead his team in PK minutes

    - Finished 18th among forwards in short-handed ice time per game and is one of only TWO players to be in the top 30 for that AND scoring.

    What we have is an excellent 2-way player that puts up numbers and plays well with our top sniper Cammalleri, while shutting down offensive threats.

    Worth MUCH MORE than we signed him for.  29 other teams would be happy to have him for this kind of money.

    Awesome!

  643. HabFanSince72 says:

    Correct on all points.

     

    I am not sure he would have gotten $6M on the free agent market. That is what we gave to Cammi.

  644. SeriousFan09 says:

    Pleks will deliver, especially if Gauthier brings in a new forward to be his winger who will play with him and Cammy each game.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  645. habs4ever2894 says:

    I really like Plekanec as a player but this is too much money, 4.5 would have been enough. Management should have considered going with Eller and using the extra money to bolster our lineup in other areas.

  646. CBrady12 says:

    So at 5 million dollars he is going to be one of the most over paid players in the league but for 500k less hes worth it? Think before you type…

  647. mike g says:

    And then when Eller would go into a slump, because all rookies do and are allowed to because they’re young and still develloping, we’d kill him and bash him and 27 microphones would be infront of his locker asking him why he isn’t scoring every game….

    Then you wonder why we have a hard time develloping our younger players…

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  648. lach60 says:

    hahaha well said

  649. 24 Cups says:

    J.T. is going to be in heaven when she hears about Pleks’ six year contract.  She has been in his corner since Day 1.

  650. JD_ says:

    *cough*

    We do?

  651. punkster says:

    I’d say <choke> is more appropriate than *cough* in this case. Maybe even <gag & choke>.

    FREE TIMO!

  652. joeybarrie says:

    Are you saying Toronto is better than the Habs???

    Where will Philly end up since we were tied in points last season…?

    How will Boston doing better hurt our points at the end of the season, since they came in ahead of us anyways???

     

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  653. adamkennelly says:

    I am so freakin disappointed…Bruins get Horton and we get Darche and Pleky at a cost of 6.5M per year…take our team from last year – barely squeaking into the playoffs and now facing tougher divisional opponents in Bost and T.O (likely) and Habs end up in 10th place.

    such a joke.  THIS TEAM NEEDS SIZE AND TOUGHNESS OK – its obvious to anyone with half a brain – how the hell does the management team not see this.  if we start the season with the K sisters and Pouliot I will lose my mind….its embarassing!!!!!!! 

     

    needs – top 6 with size, bottom 6 with size and grit and at least 1 punishing D man.

    got so far in this off season  – NONE OF THE ABOVE

  654. SeriousFan09 says:

    You mean 5.5 a year correct? Pleks contract is 5 million per year.

    Horton has yet to prove anything, never been involved in the “Big Games” and has been termed an enigma before.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  655. punkster says:

    Re: the brothers. There’s a vacant lot about 60 clicks north of here, off a little side road I know. Perfect dumping ground.

    FREE TIMO!

  656. andrewberkshire says:

    I’m pretty sure we have 9 million in cap space now because the cap went up to 59 million today.

    Also Kovalchuk will never sign for 6.5. Maybe 9.5, and we don’t even have that.

  657. mike g says:

    7 mill available now (thanks crabvader)….

    Dump the bros anywhere. And when I say anywhere, I mean dump those 2 heartless/non-character brothers anywhere. Even if we get back a free team dinner for our next road trip to that city, just find a way tog et them out of here an free up that 4 mill of cap space.

    Use that 4 mill to sign Moore, Laps and a backup like Biron, Nittymakki, or Hedberg. The rest of the money, which should be about 6 or 6.5 mill, throw it at…………..

    wait for it……

    ……wait for it……

    Ilya Kovalchuk. 6.5 mill for a 6 year deal or maybe even 8 years, COULD make him want to come here. Nowhere am I saying he will or would play here, but we have to atleast try. He is, and will be, the best UFA available this decade. All the teams are locking up their franchise player to 10-12 year deals. The next time we see a 50+ goalscorer on the free market like this will be quite some time…

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  658. avatar_58 says:

    I don’t really mind anything about this given he’ll be here just as long as gomez, gionta and cammy basically. My main worry, however, is that once Price’s time for a raise comes (should be prove to mature the way we all hope he will) it’s going to sting.

  659. Bill J says:

    I will say IF (to not cause a stir about it)…

    IF Price elevates his game to earn a big raise, the Habs will find a way to get it done.

    IE if the Habs can lock him down for 3-4 years.

    Gomez’s cap hit will be near if not done by then…  So again IF he elevates his game to warrant a raise, it will be manageable.

  660. mike g says:

    Having watched Pleks the whole year, I say he’s #2 behind Kovalchuk….

    Kovalchuk’s a 50 goal, 100 pt player. Those guys are extreamly hard to come by these days.

    Marleau is behind Pleks on my list. I watch about 15-20 SJ games every year, and he’s a good player don’t get me wrong. But he produces about 10 more pts than Pleks does, however he plays mostly an offensive role. Very limited PK time, unlike Pleks. And not to mention, if your gonna knock Pleks for his playoff performances, I’d knock Marleau twice as hard.

    Marleau’s been on stacked teams. Pleks played many games with 3rd/4th liners this year due to injuries, big PK time, 2nd wave PP, etc.. and still managed 70 pts.

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  661. MathMan says:

    The Hockey News did.

    Cost-benefit wise, they’re probably right, too.

  662. W35T5ID3 says:

    POULIOT….he showed flashes of being a good player….plus hes young and BIG…..he can be a 25 goal man i believe.

  663. Ian Cobb says:

    OK, so we have about 9 million to sign, who else is left. 

    Price

    Metro, I want back

    Bergeron, I don’t want back.

    Who else does not have a contract that we want back???

  664. Harditya_CareyPrice says:

    Pouliot, Lapierre, Price and maybe Moore?

  665. SeriousFan09 says:

    I’d like to see Moore back, RFAs Pouliot (who I’d like to give a full season to), Lapierre as well since he redeemed himself in the playoffs and Tommy Pyatt. I like Metro but Moore is younger and can play bigger minutes with a PK role.

     

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  666. habs001 says:

    The panthers sent forwards Nathan Horton and Gregory Campbell to the Boston Bruins for defenceman Dennis Wideman, the 15th overall pick in this year’s NHL Entry Draft and a third round pick in 2011.

  667. Max_a_million says:

    Laps will not double his salary after a bad year.  He made what 600k or so last year.

  668. avatar_58 says:

    Personally I believe it will come. It’s only a matter of when.

  669. Bill J says:

    Oh I agree…. But I wanted to avoid be calling a Complete Idiot etc etc lol

    I’m hoping for a 3-4 year contract for Price at a decent salary, 1-2 Million… (those who expect less, even WITH the sub-par season he had are fooling themselves)

    if that can happen, then when Gomez’s massive cap hit comes off the books.  There will be enough cap room to replace Gomez & give Carey a raise.

     

  670. Puck Bard says:

    Man, this must be happy-hour! Everyone very respectful… No “douchebag-ing”. Just a nice discussion.  I like very much.

  671. HardHabits says:

    Signing Plex certainly has quieted the Halak wailing but I sense a few murmurs will still grace these pages.

  672. Dave Stubbs says:

    It’s early. Wait for it.

    Dave Stubbs
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    Sports Columnist/Feature Writer, Montreal Gazette
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  673. SmartDog says:

    Filthy rich.  AND lucky.

    Fahk. Makes me want to stop watching hockey altogether.

    ———
    Pleks is back – the goat came through on this one.

  674. SmartDog says:

    Sorry to burst your bubble but I think Vinny is pretty happy about his new coach. 

    Probably right about Gionta.

    ———
    Pleks is back – the goat came through on this one.

  675. doug says:

    Lecavalier’s contract is worse than Gomez’s in terms of its term.  He’s lucky Boucher and Yzerman joined him to save his career. . . insofar as a filthy rich guy no matter what can be termed lucky.

  676. G-Man says:

    Pouliot $880K (due for a 10% raise, no more)

    Price max $950K

    Lap $1 mil

    Back up- bring up Desjardins at $850K or less(saving bucks as goaltender is obviously not important according to Habs management)

    There: 4 mil left for Moore.

  677. Harditya_CareyPrice says:

    Alright so 9 million left.

    Pouliot – Maximum money Habs should spend on him – 1.5-2 M

    Price – Max. 3 M

    Lapierre – Max 1 M

    Back up goalie – Max – 2 M

    Cap space left: 1-1.5 M

    I am surprised we have that much space left without dumping Hamrlik.

    EDIT: Forgot Moore, now we’re in trouble lol – but I am sure Habs are going to get rid of Sergei for sure.

  678. Ian Cobb says:

    Both K brothers are gone I think. Back up goal tenders have contracts! Who does not have a contract?

  679. 24 Cups says:

    There is no way we should spend 2M on a back-up goalie.  That market has gone totally soft and some of those guys will be begging for jobs.  If they turn down an offer, they just might discover that they have played their last NHL game.  I would spend 800000 grand, max.

  680. G-Man says:

    Starters with 70+ games under their belt rarely win in the playoffs. 60 games is enough. Imagine being stuck with Luongo’s contract?

  681. andrewberkshire says:

    Agreed 100% Steve.

  682. Chorske says:

    RDS is reporting SJ dumped Nabokov, and the GM is on record saying he intends to follow what he perceives to be a league-wide trend, putting faith in a young goalie who makes less than a mil.

    So yeah, as you say, if this is the general mood among some GMs, the market for goalies is tanking- and $800k seems about right.

    Have we seen the end of the era of the superstar goalie?

  683. andrewberkshire says:

    Superstar goalies fade in and out. There weren’t a lot of staying power superstar goalies in the 80′s but the 90′s and early 2000′s were the age of the superstar goalie. It seems to skip a generation. While the overall talent level of all goalies has increased, those at the top are no longer nearly as elite as the past generation.

  684. Tis Himself says:

    I think part of the reason that the Habs dealt Halak is that Peter Laviolette was able to expose him as very ordinary in the course of just five games. Hey, he’s just a better coach than the guys behind the Caps or Pens benches.

    P.S. I liked Halak and am very lukewarm on Price.

  685. Chris says:

    If you define elite as relative to the talent pool, then I agree.

    If you define elite as relative to their historical counterparts, then I disagree…goalies today are better across the board than at any time in history. 

    The equipment, the size of the goalies and the advance scouting that these guys get mean that, despite substantial improvements in the conditioning of the players and the stick technology that has added quite a bit of velocity to the shots, the goalies and defencemen are winning the battle hands down.

  686. Chris says:

    Laviolette is such an underrated coach…I’ve never understood why people are relatively down on him.

    That being said, I think a big part of it is the Rock-Paper-Scissors effect of the NHL.  Montreal was the scissors to the Penguins’ and Capitals’ paper.  But the Philadelphia rock just annihilated our scissors.  :)

  687. Chorske says:

    So many of them are relatively interchangeable too- it’s very rare for a goalie to put a “stamp” on a team these days, to define the team’s character. These days the goalie is pretty much “…that weird kid with the oddball tics and the two-way contract”

  688. Chorske says:

    Awesome analogy.

    So you think the Pens or the Caps would have beaten Philly? ;)

  689. andrewberkshire says:

    Are you actually saying that an elite goalie today is better than an elite goalie of the 90′s? We’ve had this conversation before but I don’t think you clarified that.

  690. andrewberkshire says:

    Very true. It’s sad to me because I’ve always loved goalies. I doubt any goalie in the NHL right now will come anywhere close to the accomplishments of Roy, Belfour, Brodeur etc.