Audio: Habs break up routine

AUDIO: Jacques Martin | Mike Cammalleri | Jaro Spacek | Jeff Halpern | Yannick Weber

The Canadiens decided to break up their normal routine yesterday. Instead of hitting the ice at the Bell Centre, there was a team  meeting followed by off-ice training in the gym or soccer on the adjoining indoor pitch in Brossard.

Coach Jacques Martin said he had the option of dressing Yannick Weber as a seventh defenceman tomorrow night against Toronto but he was still considering his options. One certainty is that Carey Price will start in goal for the 19th time in 20 games.

And there’s no update on injured defenceman Andrei Markov. His absence is still described as long-term but Martin said further tests are scheduled to determine the extent of the injury and a treatment plan.

Markov is reported to be heading to Cleveland next Tuesday to meet with Anthony Miniaci, his orthopedic surgeon. Fellow defenceman Jaroslav Spacek is said to be no worse for wear after face-planting into the boards late in last night’s game. He’ll play against Toronto tomorrow.

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TSN’s James Duthie talked to Mike Richards, and P.K. Subban’s name came up:

JD: What specifically did Subban say to upset you?

MR: I’m not going to get into this again. He’s a
great player, don’t get me wrong. I never meant to start an uproar with a
minor comment. It is what it is.

JD: Is there a code for how rookies should behave?

MR: I went through the same thing. I remember my
first year we were playing against New Jersey and I was running around
and lipping off to Patrick Elias. Elias came to me and Sergei Brylin
too, and they said, “If you continue to show disrespect for players,
you are going to get hurt.” That really hit home. I didn’t want to be
known as that guy who shows disrespect. I want to be a guy who plays
hard in between the whistles but not cross the line. That was six years
ago, but it hit home. When you hear it from a guy like Patrick Elias,
who has a done a lot in this league and is well respected, you remember.

199 Comments

  1. Everlasting1 says:

    Me too. I don’t think it’s this site. Is it the ThinkPoint virus? Cycbot? I had to call Microsoft for assistance.

     

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  2. SmartDog says:

    Woah.  Sad.

    ——- Anyone know how to italicize sigs? Used to be able too…

  3. sholi2000.com says:

    Buffalo, and the story is famous.

    They Call Me Shane

  4. secretdragonfly says:

    Rest in peace, Pat.

  5. Ayan_SB says:

    Rue Frontenac (Rejean Trembley):

    Pat Burns est décédé, et cette fois c’est vrai.

  6. Mattyleg says:

    Not sure about twins, but Ken Dryden played against his goalie brother once. Think he played for NYR.

    They even came out to centre ice to shake hands.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  7. Nahlsy says:

    Because down 3-0 his job is to stay on the ice and try to score some goals. Jeez guys, do some research on who you’re yammering about so you don’t look so foolish. Richards doesn’t run away from fights, for someone as undersized as he is, he plays a hell of a lot bigger than anyone the Habs have on their forward roster. Every single one of us would have him as our favourite forward if he was in a Habs uniform as well so get over it. He made some comments about PK that many others are also making lately and he moved on from it. It doesn’t change who he is or how he plays. The ridiculous whining and fiction coming out around here is getting dull.

     

    Richards averages about 4 or 5 fights a year, generally against the middleweights of the league, and usually against guys that have a size advantage on him. He had a great fight with Cooke earlier this year, others on his dance card include: Bieksa x2, McCabe, Booth, Dubinsky x3, Brouwer, Bieksa, Hinote, Girardi, Clarkson, Laich, Avery x2, Paetsch x2, Asham x2, Mara, Ovechkin, Drury, Exelby, Ednicott, Bouchard x2, Hollweg, Boyes, Green, Perry x2, Ott and a boat load of fights throughout his jr career as well. He’s only been in the league for a few years and considering he’s the captain, best defensive forward and top offensive center on his team, that’s not exactly a light load in the fight card. He’s not going toe to toe with Brashear or Laraque but, he’s not exactly running away and hiding from guys like Dubinsky, Avery or Asham either. I’m sure he and Subban will have their dance soon enough. Let’s just save it on the fairy tales in the mean time.

    As I said above, everyone here would jump at the chance to have him be our #1 center, don’t kid yourselves. This guy is a Bob Gainey clone to a TEE.

     

  8. LA Loyalist says:

    Does Martin do anything besides open the gate?

     

     

  9. punkster says:

    I always practice safe surfing.

  10. punkster says:

    One mistake, no. Repetitive bumbles, damn right.

  11. zak says:

    Weber will make one mistake and JM will bench him.

  12. LA Loyalist says:

    Guys I just realized (duh!) that if we had Carey Price and and Karri Ramos we’d have 2 C/K/arries and the crowd could yell “C/K/arry!” “C/Karry” and it wouldn’t matter and it wouldn’t matter if there was a goalie controversy.

    There is a pair of twins on my kids’ mite team named Fix, but they play out. Has there ever been goalie twins?

    Expiring minds want to know.

  13. secretdragonfly says:

    A little dab of Kaspersky will fix that.

  14. LA Loyalist says:

    Plus… if he’s any dang good in the NHL then he’s an ASSET that can be EXCHANGED to acquire ASSETS we NEED (someone should tell the Goat Herder this fact), instead of just re-configuring the 2nd, 3rd and 4th lines every shift.

    Also goalies get hurt and I don’t think it’s wise for Price play ALL the games if we hope to go as deep as date night in the playoffs and run out of gas.

    Big picture. That’s the Goat Guy’s job… not that I was cc’d on his deal or anything.

     

    “We need white boards – and not just the kind you write on with markers”

     

     

     

  15. Danno says:

    I blame it on Bettman

     

    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  16. Danno says:

    Plus he breaks his stick about half the time he does the slapper.

     

    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  17. secretdragonfly says:

    Go Karri Go!!!!!

  18. SeriousFan09 says:

    Dude, doing the Russian club names is half the fun of these prospect updates.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  19. LA Loyalist says:

    Sheesh, Serious, you get points just for typing all those Russian names.

     

     

     

    “We need white boards – not just the kind you use magic markers on…”

  20. savethepuck says:

    I have been picking up a lot of computor viruses lately and it seems to always be around the time I am on this site. Is it just a coincidence or have other members noticed the same thing.

  21. shiram says:

    Again thank you fro bringing this information! I had almost forgot about Ramo, and am glad to see he is doing well. He could be Price’s backup next year iirc.

  22. SeriousFan09 says:

    Nice crystal ball, can I borrow it for the Super 7 lotto numbers?

    Ramo is going to have to come back and establish himself in the NHL no matter how well he does in Russia, playing backup may be Step #1 and the Habs have his rights.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  23. Chuck says:

    He had a ridiculous one last night where he wound up, paused for a few seconds, then let it go… by which time the forward was easily able to get into the lane and block the shot.

    His job with the point shot should be to create scoring chances. Get the puck past the first wave of defenders and to the net so that it can be tipped or greate a rebound and secondary scoring chance. And if it goes in, bonus.

    Centre Hice: weird math

  24. Mikey_39 says:

    I don’t think it really matters how Ramo is doing.  There’s no way he’s going to come here to be a backup.  I don’t think he’ll ever play a game in a habs uniform.  

  25. Dust says:

    couldn’t agree more.. this guy brings an edge we need on the back end

  26. J_P says:

    I can manipulate statistics also, watch this:

    Gomez’ average since he signed his current contract is 0.76.  In a habs uniform he’s averaging 0.67. 

    Plekanec is younger, is just hitting his prime and his cap hit is an Above average NHL 3rd liner less than Gomez.   Not to mention he has outscored gomez last season, and is embarassingly outscoring gomez this season.

    Brieres cap hit is 6.5 million, not 7.3 million, and hes averaged 0.82 since he signed his deal with the flyers (the same year gomez signed his deal with the rangers). Not to mention he was their playoff MVP last year with 30 pts in 23 playoff games.

    Koivu is averaging 0.68 since he left montreal last season, better than gomez’s 0.67, playing on the third line,and his cap hit is a mere 2.5 million (we can pretty much have koivu and pleks for the price of gomez).

     

    So really, you’re little stat parade, proved absolutely nothing.

    Listen, I have nothing against gomez other than the fact that he doesnt look engaged, and doesnt look willing to pay the price to create offense.  He does the same routine over and over again.  I wonder if he’s ever even watched a full game that he’s played.  He will never live up to his 7.3 million dollar cap hit, and I have no problem with that, but he’s currently on pace for 25 points, and isnt doing anything to help his team win.  That, to me, is whats unacceptable.  Anyways, I dont blame scott gomez.  I blame Bob Gainey for trading for Scott Gomez. 

  27. aemarchand11 says:

    Gauthier: Sign Alexei Emelin in the Off-Season.

    Not like you wont try…..

    Go Habs Go!
    2010-2011

  28. shootdapuck says:

    It’s TSN what do you expect?

     

    “The three stars as selected by Red Fisher of the Montreal Star:
    1st star: Henri Richard
    2nd Star: Doug Harvey
    3rd Star: Jacques Plante

    Final score Detroit Red Wings 5 Montreal Canadiens 3″

  29. punkster says:

    And we all know how effective codes are for this team.

  30. SeriousFan09 says:

    KHL Report:

    D Alexei Yemelin gets a GWG in a 3-2 win for AK Bars Kazan today over Severstal Cherepovets, with his 5th goal of the season, he was +2 on the game. Cherepovet RW Maxim Trunev was a healthy scratch. (Which I think is BS, he had a point last game).

    G Karri Ramo now has 9 wins in his last 10 games! Avangard Omsk won 3-2 in OT with Ramo making 25 saves, over Lokomotiv Yaroslavl.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  31. habs365 says:

    Gotta gree with ya…the only code of respect richards should be talking about is the flyers….they have their own and it’s an easy one to follow….try to injure and cripple what ever team we’re playing against….that’s how you get wins.

  32. shiram says:

    And thats telling of our offence in that game…

    Spacek isnt much of an offensice D either.

  33. VancouverHab says:

    Ha ha!

  34. Corio says:

    Ya and I think my 6 year old could of placed it better than Spaceboy did, man he has almost no offensive ability..

  35. VancouverHab says:

    Love the avatar: I have that SI cover framed in my basement…. (it’s great to see Matty Naslund–he’s an underrated Hab great.)

  36. iHeart Les Habitants says:

    I wish Auld would get his first home start this weekend.  The Leafs game would be a good opportunity to give Pricey a break.  Or in hind sight last nights game vs the Preds would have been better.

  37. VancouverHab says:

    Ah — thanks for facts. They are good things in an argument :–)

    Let me add that Cammi is surely no better in all these areas–nor others save Pleks–but some people just go de Sadean over Scott Gomez. Me? I’m waiting for the playoffs when, you know, this stuff actually matters.

    Plus, Memo to M39: can I buy the licensing rights for your unique ability to see someone’s internal states…and at at a distance too? You see, no-one else in the world can factually measure whether someone is trying or not, but you … well, you know that the player is lazy and doesn’t care, instead of just working through a slump in a sensible way — because of course when you’re in a slump skating around like Tiger Williams (who played in the NHL for three years before he touched the puck) is the best way out of it.

    Sigh.

  38. TB says:

    do you honestly think it would help?  I mean this stuff happens all the time in a game – the little weasle matt cooke blindsided Marc Savard with both Chara and Lucic on boston?  if both Chara and Lucic don’t help then I don’t know who would

    I think having a tough guy on your team to protect your stars is a myth – it does nothing other than take up a roster spot

  39. VancouverHab says:

    Good thoughts, SD….

    (re. sig: does hardcoding <i> work?)

  40. VancouverHab says:

    Ha ha!

  41. kempie says:

    Yeah, til he pulled out the old “hands of stone” defenceman move.

  42. TB says:

    not that great of a player – he said if he had to choose between dubinsky and subban he would take dubinsky

  43. Tremblant Habs Fan says:

    Yes I know Gomez is sucking right now, but I’m sick of all of the Gomez bashing around here, I know the following stats don’t justify his contract but he isn’t that bad compared to other players, avg pts/game-career:

    T.Plekanec 0.66

    P.Marleau 0.73

    D.Briere 0.79

    S.Koivu 0.79

    S.Gomez 0.80

    V.Lecavalier 0.84

     

  44. Ian Cobb says:

    Maybe a 4th line forward. He plays up also. And D on the PP

  45. shiram says:

    He did have one of the better scoring chance last game though.

  46. shootdapuck says:

    Yappierre is not a marked man?

    Better check again!

     

    “The three stars as selected by Red Fisher of the Montreal Star:
    1st star: Henri Richard
    2nd Star: Doug Harvey
    3rd Star: Jacques Plante

    Final score Detroit Red Wings 5 Montreal Canadiens 3″

  47. Hagar says:

    Again with the code. Mad-Max runs his mouth all the time & he’s not a marked man. It’s because he’s a rookie, isn’t it?

  48. JSP1990 says:

    I’m with you bud! No more Spacekake!

  49. shiram says:

    Well i’m glad he recognizes Subban as a great player, and seems to want to move on that issue.

  50. Mikey_39 says:

    What’s even worse is that he doesn’t even seem to care about the fact that he’s not producing.  Even when Gionta wasn’t scoring, you saw him skating his ass off, shooting like crazy, trying to make something happen.  Gomez is playing so lazy.  There’s no fire.  Not scoring is forgivable, not trying though is inexcusable 

  51. Mattyleg says:

    Duthie is the cheesiest of cheeses.

    And I love how he tries to legendize that lucky goal by calling it ‘the lunge’. Like it’s going to have its own corner in the HHOF.

    Jeeezis.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  52. krob1000 says:

    While this is true and something Subban has to do more often (just get pucks through) all of the other guys who succeeded here with their “cannons” all had very deliberate windups too…Souray, Schneider and MAb all pointed to the sky first…Streit was a little quicker …. the key though has always been Markov….teams had to pick their poison…either you risk the 60ft one timer or leave our best and smartest  player to find someone closer to the net to shoot…that always meant there was time for the big clapper (if necessary with Markov’s passing)…and let’s also remember that it was a one timer more often than not….right now whoever is paired with Subban does not command the respect Markov did and that doesn’t get Subban the same time. We also operate more from the side where the big shooter used to be so that plays a role too….Subban is usually the only real shooting threat from his side of the rink…..it is not just his windup…there is more to it than that.  If people give him decent passes his windup doesn’t matter because a one timer is a one timer….but on plays where he is trying to find a lane himself, moving laterally like last night and then he gets blocked…..just get the damn thing to the net if someone is there.

  53. Hagar says:

    c’mon SD, no more silly projections. we’ve been through this. I promise to do my part from here-on-out :)

  54. J_P says:

    He wasnt signed as a free agent, we gave up a top D prospect to acquire him (higgins is irrelevant). 

    The only person dumber than Glenn Sather, who signed gomez to that ridiculous contract, is the GM who gave up a top prospect to acquire that contract! At least sather can SOMEWHAT justify signing him to that deal because Gomez had two cup rings and very good production in his New Jersey years.  How the heck do you justify trading for that contract?

    This isnt even one of those “hindsight is always 20/20″ type deals.  Gomez only had 70 and 58 points in 2007-2008 and 2008-2009 respectively.  How someone can think that a player who scored 128 pts in 158 games is worth a 7.3 million dollar per year cap hit for another 5 years is beyond me to understand…

  55. Timo says:

    By far the stupidest, cheesiest, most ridiculous and amateur interview I have ever seen – Duthie interviews Mike Richards – http://www.tsn.ca/columnists/james_duthie/?id=341918

     

     

     

  56. Corio says:

    Funny you say that, I noticed that lately too, by the time he winds up and releases the shot is either blocked or the goalie has lined him up and is smoking a cigar in wait for the release.. PK needs to release much quicker.

  57. Mattyleg says:

    Did his lip quiver as he said it?

    He’s in the wrong town for a Cup!

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  58. Mattyleg says:

    Journalists.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  59. shiram says:

    I raised that issue about 2 weeks ago. Those big slap shots are not gonna scare the goalies, they are just gonna see the puck coming… The coaches should definately have addressed that.

  60. JSP1990 says:

    So if Weber is dressed tomorrow, who sits in the press box?

  61. Hobie Hansen says:

    Well I guess the point i’m trying to get at is although I’ve loved every Habs victory and even wondered why fighting is allowed in hockey anymore, it still stings to see someone like Sean O’Donnell face wash Subban and throw him to the ice or watch Halpern get injured and have nobody do anything.

    Last time I checked fighting was still a very common thing in the NHL and I think the above mentioned scenarios may warrant a little scrap.

     

  62. SeriousFan09 says:

    Okay to confirm a suspicion, I watched PK’s AHL highlight reel compiled by in the inexhaustible Watsatheo (Corungee on YouTube) who posts here on occasion.

    Of the 12 or so goals on the reel, I counted 2 that came from big slapshots the rest? snap shots, wrist shots and some luck ones but the majority of his goal scoring in the AHL last season had nothing to do with that obscene wind-up he is taking now. I’m not sure why the team isn’t trying to get him to knock it off but I don’t see why he’s not using his wrist shot. I know I’ve harped on this a lot but someone has to tell this kid to go back to what he used to do. He’s wasting opportunities by not shooting quicker and alerting the world to his slapshot prep.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  63. HabFanSince72 says:

    Another fave:

    “Bring up Alex Henry so he can fight Colton Orr”.

     

  64. SmartDog says:

    He’s on pace for 25 points. Yeehaw!

    Our free agency stallion has turned out to be a pony.

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  65. Timo says:

    Hehe… “playing Nashville pussy”

  66. SmartDog says:

    Let’s just get that PP rolling. Please?

    Unfortunately that may be a tall order.  It reminds me of that interview the other day with Ron Wilson where he said all he wants is to win a Stanley Cup. Said he doesn’t want to be mayor after that or even to try to win another one, he just wants one.  Like that’s not too much to ask.  hahahahahahahahaha

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  67. Mikey_39 says:

    We should be blaming Scott Gomez.  We’re closing in on 20 games and this guys who’s being paid like a superstar only has 6 points?  Lucky for him we’ve been doing well and the pleks like has been scoring so nobody focuses on him.  But on nights when your top line isn’t scoring you bet your ass that people are going to notice Gomez severe lack of production. 

  68. Mattyleg says:

    Heh heh. I like VancouverHab.

    We had an off night, and it’s not surprising that we can’t really give two sheets about playing the Nashville Pussy in Mid-November.

    Let’s just get that PP rolling. Please?

    NEXT!

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  69. SmartDog says:

    Well… mixed feelings.  I think there is something to the idea that Price shoudl be given a break on a regular basis.  There’s this other goalie in St. Louis who was pretty much lighting the league on fire until he stank up the joint a couple of games in a row…. fatigue sure seems likely.   Same story.  Goal-tending is HUGELY intense – and you’re alone.  These guys need a break every 5-6 games at least, whether they say it or not.

    And not blaming Gomez in particular but the Pleks line DID have an off night, Halpern may not have been at his best and voila!  Goose-egg.  Put up your hand if you’re suprised.   There IS a part of Gomez in here but only because almost a quarter of the way into the season he’s on pace for 25 points.  I’m sure that many think its Gionta’s fault because Gio refused to score until paired with Pleks.  (Man, it’s really mean what people do to Gomez.) 

    And the rest is just noise to me.

    ——- Anyone know how to italicize sigs? Used to be able too…

  70. Lazarus_taxa says:

    Well, Weber is our current top defensive prospect.

  71. TB says:

    tougher to play against? they shutout vancouver and philly and beat boston – all supposed powerhouse teams – we don’t need to add bodies we need to get the players there giving it their all every night – I guarantee if we do that we will be plenty hard to play against

  72. habs001 says:

    the last few years most hab/leaf games have been nail biters…but since we are a team that will be ranked 20th or lower in scoring the majority of our games will be close on the scoreboard.

  73. dh says:

    The annoying thing about that is that all of these “in the know” media types seem to think that he’s worth listening to.  I had to listen to Benoit Brun-nez going on about PK to Pierre Houde last night for every slight “rooky” mistake. 

    Even pointing out how PK holds his stick too high for the NHL where the play is much faster and it takesenough longer to hit the puck that the other team can always beat him.  Not possible that he’s trying to draw someone in before passing but hey…

    I thought Benoit was history?  What happened with that?

  74. Hobie Hansen says:

    It was an honest question that could have been answered by saying that you think Picard or Weber is a better option than O’Brien…I thought maybe he could play as well as fight on occasion. And I didn’t say anything about trading our top defensive prospect either?

  75. longtimehabsfan says:

    How about an MAB like role?  Shooting the puck.

  76. Say Ash says:

    See comment above – that goes for Souray, too.

  77. Timo says:

    Seriously, why are people so high on Weber? As far as I remember he was very average at best. And I am being very generous.

  78. SeriousFan09 says:

    About the same, I’m sure with enough PP time he could bag a goal but if he plays ES time as defence it’ll be a Souray/MAB scenario as the Habs will be giving up an ES goal in return. Weber has not grown his defensive game sufficiently to be an NHL regular.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  79. CBrady12 says:

    Players sometimes do a thing called improving…know it sounds crazy but it works…

  80. Maksimir says:

    Why are they bringing him up then instead of someone else?

  81. mrhabby says:

    below average if you ask me..small, easy to knock off the puck..has a good shot,  not as bad as MAB defensively.

  82. dh says:

    I saw the Bulldogs play  when they were at the Bell Center recently.  Weber looked pretty good.  Nice slap shot from the point.  Strong on defense.  Certainly looked better than he did when he was brought up last year but that could just be the difference between AHL and NHL.

  83. CrashTheNetCrashTheNet says:

    I agree that he was very marginal at best but others seem to see something I don’t, this includes my brother in law who has very high hopes for Webber. I don’t know, he may have a shot but he needs to be a helluva lot better at playing D if he wants to make a serious bid for an NHL job.

    “When I was a baby I wish my first word had been “QUOTE”, then right before I die I could say “UNQUOTE” – Stephen Wright

  84. twocents says:

    Unless people have seen a ton of Bulldogs games, I don’t understand why
    anyone has an opinion one way or the other.

    The cup of tea he’s had with
    the Habs certainly isn’t anything to base his potential on.

  85. HabFanSince72 says:

    Played only 8 NHL games with limited ice time as a 20-21 year old. Hard to make a judgement based on that.

    Now he’s leading the AHL in goals scored by a d-man, and by coincidence that is exactly what we need right now.

     

  86. Antho says:

    nough said bring up alex henry and have him dish out some big ones and scrap orr….instead lapierre might get a beating like he did against philly

  87. mbplekfan says:

    I dont get it either. The guy is a disaster in his own end, doesnt skate particularly well and doesnt go deep into the corners (ala Breezer).

    His goal scoring is exclusive to the power play but otherwise his plus-minus is dismal and highlights his lack of defensive accumen.

    Weber is destined for a very good career in Europe but will never develop into a full fledged NHL’r.

  88. light_n_tasty says:

    From what I remember, he was terrible last year when Markov went down.  Like really bad.  I think he was like -5 and played 5 games.

  89. tony d says:

    exactly he didn’t impress me in any of his starts. Hopefully a bit more confident this year?

  90. VancouverHab says:

    Well, hey: you’re the soul of generosity, Timo buddy — everybody knows that ;–)

  91. longtimehabsfan says:

    Don’t like him on defense.  I’m in favor of him being used in a Streit like role — point on the PP and 4th line forward.

  92. Say Ash says:

    “A Streit like role”? You mean getting passes from Markov?

  93. SeriousFan09 says:

    Pacioretty had 29 points in his first 37 AHL games his first year out of college hockey, those are good stats. He’s 2 goals short on matching his 1st-season mark with 15GP this season. Pacioretty was a classic example of the team rushing a player along through his various levels of hockey before he was prepared for them.

    The PP could be improved a lot by the coaching staff drilling Subban to take 50 wrist shots on net during tommorow’s practice and relax the windup in his slapper. He is wasting a tool in his arsenal with the way he is shooting right now.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  94. CBrady12 says:

    I dont understand either, but we should know by now that Hab fans can make up their opinion on a guy just by looking at his stats…Bournival is a good example…look at his stats and his draft rank and then decide to come here and tell everyone hes gonna be a career AHLer

  95. Timo says:

    But they are Bulldog games. Max Pac used to be great in A too. So were many others. I just don’t see Weber as anything we need on D. We need big bruiser who can be steady and knock some heads off.

  96. HabFanSince72 says:

    With all due respect, I think your understanding of hockey is  wanting.

    First Max Pac was never good in the AHL, let alone great.

    Second, with Marky injured, we desperately need a point-man on the power play. If we had scored just one power play goal last night when the score was 1-0 we might well have won that game.

    Third, goonery is so 2003. Have you noticed the game has changed?

     

  97. Timo says:

    Uh-ho… hurting me where it hurts the most – my hockey knowledge… with all due respect, of course.

    Back to the drawing board for me learning that hockey thing again.

  98. twocents says:

    “But they are Bulldog games.”

    What are?

    My point is that 99.9 percent of people here haven’t seen this guy play enough to make their opinion worth anything more than a dirty rag.

    As for judging things based solely on what type of qualities a player has, that’s a different thing. You think they need a bruiser. I wouldn’t disagree that a little more muscle wouldn’t be a good thing, but I do think they could use help on the PP with Markov out, and a shooter with good offensive instincts would be a good thing.

    Both qualities would be great, but not many players exist that bring both.

  99. notbigbird says:

    Got me laughing. You’re a hard man to put down.

  100. Bill says:

    You forgot to thank him for deigning to share his wisdom with an ignorant slob such as yourself. Where are your manners??

  101. russianhabs4life says:

    Especially at the moment they hear that Bournival is ranked above Leblanc right now in the Q is where all the shit talks starts, ”I thought leblanc is are future top 6th forward,where does that leave Bournival? he can only be an AHLer” said the fans  

    GO HABS GO

  102. TB says:

    I agree but it is pretty tough to sit a goalie who has won 4 straight with 2 SO and only 3GA in those games –

    ride ‘er till she bucks ya I always say

  103. rocketsglare says:

    I wonder about the wisdom of JM in having Price start 18 of 19 games. I understand he has a hot

    netminder and JM want’s to use him as much as possible, but you still would think that JM would

    start Auld several times to rest Price. It’s a long season and the season is only going to become more

    demanding both physically and especially, mentally. Price may be young and willing, but wisdom and

    common sense dictate that Price be paced in his starts. His value will be in being ready in mind and

    body for the playoffs.

     

    Go Habs Go!

     

     

  104. tony d says:

    agreed, last night would’ve been the perfect opportunity to rest Price… Lord knows everyone else was.

  105. Antho says:

    solid post, can’t agree with you more

  106. VancouverHab says:

    Yeah, what the Hell does Jacques Martin know about coaching at the NHL level, eh?

    He should listen to commenters at H-I/O — now they know how to coach NHL hockey.

  107. Mike D says:

    I thought Carey played very well actually…..3rd goal was a bit questionable, but it wouldn’t have mattered anyway.  He kept them in there plenty long enough to generate some offense and get back in the game but the rest of the team didn’t respond – it happens.

    My comment was more so regarding the amount of games he’s playing.  I know he’s playing in both the Sat. game against Toronto as well as Monday’s game against Philly so my concern is that I don’t want him to get burned out too early.  We have Auld for a reason so let him get in there so Carey can get a rest.  Plus Auld needs to stay sharp too and he played well in the one game he’s played.

    - Honestly yours

  108. rocketsglare says:

    That’s why you have a coach who can make such a decision. Carey played well in keeping the team in the

    game but simply had no support. Just one of those game’s that all team’s go through unfortunately.

    The team will be ready against the Maple Leafs.

     

    Go Habs Go!

     

  109. Johnny_D says:

    God, will somebody please tell Mike Richards to just shut up.  I can’t believe he’s still on this.  Someone needs to remind him that he is one of the least respectful players out there today, with a series of questionable hits and comments in the last 4 years.

  110. rocketsglare says:

    Ian, you of all people should understand the inherent fatigue factor, especially the mental demands that all

    goaltenders must go through, and to start Price 18 of 19 games, when for the 1st time he is facing such a

    heavy work load, well is questionable why you would not rest him more. All I am saying is that Price should

    be paced more in his starts, which he will have the vast majority of, and use Auld more. Auld seems to be a

    very capable backup.

    But apparently some here are loathe to consider the possibility that Price might tire as the season progresses

    if he is not properly managed in the number of starts. It’s not an issue of arm chair coaching, but of common

    sense.

     

    Go Habs Go!

  111. VancouverHab says:

    “Inherent Fatigue Factor”? Wow. That sounds impressive. By the way, from where did you earn your advanced degree in sport physiology?

  112. Ian Cobb says:

    I sure don’t think that 2 hrs work every second day is tiring out any 23 year old Tony. He needs the work. On back to back games, Auld might get a start.

  113. ctony says:

    Let’s see Guy Carbonneau, 124-83-23 for 281 points in 230
    games (or 1.18 points/game) and (5-7 in the playoffs)

     

    OR Jacques Martin (during his Montreal tenure) 39-33-10 for
    88 points in 82 games for 1.07 points/game and 9-10 in the his Montreal
    post-season.  Even if you consider his entire
    career, he’s 556-439-119-66 for 1.10 points/game.  And JM hasn’t won more than 39 games in any
    of the last four seasons.  Carbo won 42
    and 47 games in complete seasons and was FIRED with 35-24-7 record in 66 games,
    good enough for 1.17 points/game in WORST season as Montreal’s coach.

     

    Therrien was close with 1.07 points/game career; Alain
    Vigneualt was better 1.10 points/game; Claude Julie a whopping 1.20
    points/game. 

     

    Statistically, Martin is worst coach (other than Gainey’s
    interim stints) that we have had since 1997. 
    Enough facts for you….

     

     

     

     

  114. ctony says:

    I would have played Price and agree that conceptually, we need to find times to play Auld (for all the previously stated reasons).  But saying that Martin is NEVER wrong and the commentariat can never be right because PG said so??? Sorry, everybody makes mistakes.  And smart, passionate fans on this board will point it out.

  115. VancouverHab says:

    Statistically, whom among these succeeded in the playoffs: as in “the only winning stats that frikkin’ matter, dude.”)?

  116. ctony says:

    You mean like JM succeed in the playoffs? He’s 47-57 career, lost twice in the conference final and never progressed beyond that in his other 9 playoff appearances?  

    Ottawa made it to the conference finals twice and Cup finals once in the three years immediately after he left – which should tell you something.  He’s was out of the playoffs for four straight years in Florida when he was (as Bill Parcells says) cooking” the food and buying the groceries”, so that should tell you about talent evaluation and player development.

    Please – don’t try to make JM the second coming of Toe or Scotty, because he ain’t.  He’s a decent to good coach with a long history and not much flash.

    Anything else?

  117. VancouverHab says:

    “He’s a decent to good coach with a long history and not much flash.”

    That’s pretty much exactky what I was saying in my original post — that JM is soild NHL coach who is more qualified than some H-I/O commenter to know if Auld or Price should start. Guys here were posting as if JM was some nobody from a PeeWee team making a decision….

    Also, I was comparing JM to the Hab coaches listed by the respondant: and JM last year did what we havn’t had a coach do in years.

    But I agree (who doesn’t?) that JM is no Toe or Scotty (alas)

  118. ctony says:

    good stuff, we’re on the same page.  Craig – is that you?

  119. VancouverHab says:

    Not I.

  120. habs365 says:

    JM… the team’s he had in ottawa….he should have won a cup….florida was so,so….as for the Habs….he’s coaching four players that can score some nights and he has good goaltending….other than that….the pk is good….sometimes the defense get it done….sure isn’t offense….they’ve had a couple of outburst…. couple of teams showed up and didn’t feel like playing….or at least that’s the way it looked….my two cents worth they’re hanging in there….but that won’t be good enough in the playoffs….I’m not putting them down….with what they have….they’re doing a lot better than people give them credit for.

  121. ctony says:

    good i suppose.  i owe him a beer. 

  122. Lazarus_taxa says:

    AMEN!! These comments about ‘I question JM’s decision making on this…and that’ are BASED OUTSIDE OF REALITY.  Since JM was hired nothing but progress and positive results have ensued.  Sure you are not going to win them all, but can’t people see that this is the BEST COACH the habs have had in years?!!!! Prove me wrong with facts and numbers, do it!!

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  124. geo_habsgo says:

    RIP Pat Burns. Lost a good man today. 

  125. Hockey Socks says:

    R.I.P. Pat!

    No better place to commemorate him than tomorrow night in Montreal – his hometown and where it all began. The Canadiens will do it right.

  126. ths says:

    Patty was a great guy. I admit I wasnt a fan of his when he first came up but met him at The Old Dublin late one St Paddys day in his Montreal days and we had a great chat. No one should have to suffer what he did these last few years but once again he did it with dignity and poise. Now put him in the Hall and lets remember the great man he was.

     

    Ooh Aah Habs on the war path

  127. iwardhabs says:

    When I was introduced to hockey, and la tricolore, as a wee kiddo in the ’80′s, I had only vague intimations of Jean Perron and the ’86 run.  But I remember Burns very well – being impressed, as a 9-year-old, that a former police officer was guiding my team to the finals, and also by how he always stood up for his players: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0Fi7s4JWXE

    My principal memories of him involve all those playoff series against Boston and Buffalo in the late ’80′s and early ’90′s (ah, the old days of the Adams Division) – he brought an incredible intensity to the bench.  It’s only fitting that he went on to an even greater career, which will see him inducted into the HoF, albeit posthumously (it’s sad that the Hall missed the opportunity to induct him earlier).  

    RIP

  128. Mattyleg says:

    Ha! Great clip!

    What a guy.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  129. Maksimir says:

    I’m glad Carey is playing so well… and I know he is young, but still.. how about a game off once in a while?

  130. Mike D says:

    Agreed.  Auld should have played last night against Nashville.  On the other hand, I understand it’s hard to tell your starter to sit after shutting out of one the best teams in the league.

    - Honestly yours

  131. joeybarrie says:

    PAT BURNS….. ONLY YOU CAN DIE TWICE…….

    I can’t believe how sad I am over this. I guess your never prepared. Condolences to his family, and remember his legacy.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  132. Rossy says:

    Gosh, the Toronto Maple Leafs at the Montreal Canadiens–will CBC show the game or will it carry the Peoria Rivermen and the Puddlejumpers from Senegal? 

  133. Maksimir says:

    I hear the Puddlejumpers are off to a good start this season…

  134. SeriousFan09 says:

    Next 13 games, Habs have a lot of tough opponents/rivals before hitting the road, I think Auld needs to play 3 of those games so Carey gets some rest, including playing him against at least 1 team that would normally prompt a start by Carey.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  135. shiram says:

    I dont know… it seems alot of the issues with Price came up when he was challenged for starting games, and i totally see him handling a Brodeur-like number of games. But he will definately need a rest soon, maybe against the Thrashers, or Buffalo?


    Poutine, the perfect trio, on any line.

  136. Maksimir says:

    Also hope Weber dresses tomorrow so we can see how he plays with a few minutes under his belt.

  137. Kooch7800 says:

    Webber would be good on the point during the PP.  He can shoot.  I like PK but he has been sucking it up hard on the PP.  He is doing too many dipsy doodles and should be just firing it off quickly hard and at the net.

    PK needs to simplify if he is going to stay on the PP.  He will get better but is still very young.

  138. SeriousFan09 says:

    I’d say rest him against ATL, BUF is a Division game and 4-pointers are more important.

    Price seems ready to play the season, but few goalies these days can stand up to it, Brodeur hasn’t had playoff results with a 70+ starts since before the lockout when NJD were trapping the NHL into comas and had Rafalski, Stevens, Niedermayer. I think Price is a workhorse goalie, but my concern is he’ll play great all season, get in the Vezina nominee group and start to run out of gas in the playoffs, than the hatchet men in the blogosphere, media and bandwagon fan group go to work on him when he’s on his 90th game of the year. I don’t like a goalie starting 70+ in the regular season.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  139. shiram says:

    Well Price is younger than Brodeur after the lockout, but yea i would not want him to play 75 or more games, if we wanna have have in top shape in the playoffs. But definately have him play about 65 starts. That Gives Auld about one fifth of the starts, and we could rest Price around every 7th or 8th games.

  140. SeriousFan09 says:

    Indeed Price has youth on his side as did Brodeur when he basically started every year with 70 games or so through his career but I think the end of the trap era makes it a little harder on Carey and a lack of a Top 4 like the NJD to manage the same feats. I’ve always preferred a goalie sees about 65 games or so by the playoffs. Roy managed his starts into the 60-65 range throughout his career, the playoff results speak for themselves. As the season goes on, it’s more important the Habs give Auld the games against the teams the Habs should be moping up or don’t care about.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  141. shiram says:

    Alright so we’ll settle for 65, and send the request in to Jm, k?
    Heheh

    Kinda related, Joel Bouchard was talking about Auld, since they basically spend the games at the Bell Center together, and he was saying Auld was very positive and impressed with Price, gotta like that attitude.

  142. SeriousFan09 says:

    Aside from Brendon Nash (Who’s playing his 1st professional season so he shouldn’t be rushed), almost all of the rest including Mathieu Carle have to pass through waivers or aren’t good enough and JM does not strike me as a coach who will accept not having an extra defencemen in case of whatever, like a pulled groin on a game-day skate or sudden flu.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  143. Timo says:

    Looking pretty thin on prospects all of a sudden :)

    Maybe we should send Gomez to A to boost the ranks.

  144. SensFanSpezza says:

    “Disrespect?”  “You’re going to get hurt?”  Is this hockey or the friggin’ Mob?  These people need their heads read.

  145. Willy the bum says:

    If I was a player yapping at a veteran, if he told me about respect, I still yap at his face.  I’ll do it, because not for disrespecting, but getting them distract from my team winning at all cost.  That’s the kind of mind game they play in hockey, and they will do anything to win, from getting two points to getting the Cup.

  146. Hobie Hansen says:

    Sometimes if a player’s stats in junior hockey or AHL don’t look fantastic it can all come together once they finish maturing, after a year or two in the NHL. You’d have to hope that’s true with Weber because he’s small and his previous numbers don’t really jump out at you. Most times a player has to dominate in junior and the minors just to be half decent player in the NHL. Like I said above, there’s always some exceptions, lets hope Weber is one.  

  147. JF says:

    I’m surprised there’s no update on Markov yet.  At the beginning of the week they were saying Wednesday, then it was Friday.   Yesterday I saw something about his trying to avoid surgery.  Has anyone any idea what’s happening?

  148. rocketsglare says:

    What more could you want on a Saturday night, than Canadiens-Maple Leafs? I will be parked in

    front of the TV with a great home cooked meal and cheer on the boys to kick the crap out of those

    bastards. Should be a great game!

     

    Go Habs Go!

     


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