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Patrick V. Hickey checks in with what was gleaned this morning at Scotiabank Place.
It’s Carey Price vs. Mike Brodeur.
Alex Kovalev, out since Jan. 8 with a wonky knee, returns to the Ottawa lineup.
Jacques Martin | Hal Gill | Ryan White | Mathieu Darche | Cory Clouston
You know, not to take anything away from Koivu, but his career doesn’t even come close to matching anyone who has had their number retired in Montreal. Those numbers belong to legends. As much as Koivu was appreciated for his dedication on and off the ice, his career was far from legendary. He was the greatest player in the last fifteen years to wear a Habs sweater, perhaps. I’ll catch some flak for this post, but I do not think of Saku Koivu in the same category as those numbers up in the rafters. Further, I don’t think there ever will be a player again in Montreal who will meet that criteria.
If #11 gets retired how will be able to laugh at the Leafs for retiring* the jerseys of Wendel Clark and Doug Gilmour.
(* I know they don’t actually retire jerseys but it’s the same thing.)
Seriously though, Lemaire, Shutt, Lapointe would all be ahead of Saku for consideration. That being said, Saku is tenth all time in points, and he played in the dead puck era.
(Here’s a stat that shocked me: Mario Tremblay is tenth goal scorer on the Habs.)
If he came back to Montreal and lead the team (or at least contributed greatly) to a Cup…then maybe yes.
Gomez should not be wearing number 11 in my opinion. He got through years of not wearing it why did they let him switch this year?
Kirk Muller was great for us, it certainly does remind people who can think past the nineties of Muller.
Saku isn’t even close to the caliber of player that gets his number retired in Montreal. Look how long they waited on Robinson for goodness sake. Kid the Canadiens used to be pretty fricken great!
Lemaire, Shutt and Carbonneau need to go up before Saku, if he goes up at all.
Should the Habs retire Number 11 when Koivu is retired? While we have such high expectations for our retired numbers, such as Stanley Cups and Points. It’s hard to find a player who doesnt deserve this honor based on his career with not only the Canadiens, but Montreal as well. Growing up in the 90’s when people talked about the Canadiens, my first thought was always Saku Koivu..
When anybody thinks about the number 11 on a Canadiens jersey, it doesnt remind them of Gomez, Muller or Houle, it will always be Saku’s Number.
Geoff Molson, do the right thing and honor Saku.
Go Habs Go! 2010-2011
Hmmmmm Houle was number 15 btw…. as for number 11 to be retired Honor Saku yes but not retire the jersey.
“I have never failed at anything in my life so far… TripleX 12/23/2010 16:34pm”
RE: the whole Mike Murphy wanted to be GM so he has it in for the Kings thing, I’m pretty sure Vancouver spent their entire playoff series complaining to the media and NHL because Mike Murphy was the supervisor of their series vs the Kings, and they felt the Kings were getting preferential treatment because Murphy is a former Kings player and coach.
It’s funny how in less than a year he can be accused of being biased both for and against the Kings. Didn’t notice the Kings complaining in the playoffs last year. Maybe they need to focus about playing better hockey then conspiracy theories? I doubt video review is to blame for them winning 2 of their last 10 games.
Video review when it comes to high-sticks is almost always inconclusive because they have no way of getting the proper camera angle. The biggest problem with the video review system is the whole “when in doubt go with the on-ice call” thing. Why should the benefit of the doubt go towards the referee who has a split second to make a decision?
As for the Cooke and Richards hits, unfortunately they did not break any of the NHL rules at the time, so how are they supposed to be suspended? They should have each been suspended 20 games, but what rule did they break at the time? There was nothing against contact to the head in the rulebook.
Great Discussion! Who’s next??
Do you think these things occus in other sporting leagues? NBA? MLBA? NFL? If anything it may be worse. Perhaps there is something going on “ice level”Perhaps they disallow goals because was “too close” or “You know what it may have been a high slick / low stick but its close so keep playing and make it exciting for the fans. At the same time personal opinions can get into the emotion of the game.
I agree with you 100% and have been thinking along those lines, but IMO Fehr would need ballz the size of North America to pull that off. I tend to think the people in power of the NHL are almost untouchable. They seem to go under the “I scratch your back, you scratch mine” way of thinking. They’ve probably managed to get so many people on their side, that everyone just watches these things go by and do nothing about it. They’ll never change because they’re still making tons of money up there, so they’re happy, why change? So will Donald actually attempt to change things? Maybe, but I don’t know his backround well enough to know. I see the NHL and it’s affiliate boards as a sort of mob. They’ve got a way of doing business, and if you don’t follow that you either shut your mouth or you leave. So many obvious things have slipped through the cracks over the years, and nothing has been done about them. If you sit back and look at it, it doesn’t take a genious to figure out it’s just an old mans club of lawyers making tons of money for themselves and flushing the game of hockey down the toilet. So I hope Donald tries to do something. But whether he achieves it, leaves the league, or sells his soul like all the others did is a different story and we’ll know in time.
“These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack
I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.
I rewatched the Phoenix goal tha was concern for LA and clearly it was tipped with a high stick…I agree with you we need to have some clearing out of the NHL so called unbiased positions such as Campbell and the Off ice and on ice officials as well.
Those positions are vital to the integrity of hte game…any suspicion of corruption or team/player bias will kill any NHL league credibility that may be left.
Donald Fehr’s first act as NHLPA Executive Director should be to call for a formal inquiry by an independent source into the day to day operations of the NHL departments of supplementary discipline, video review, department of officiating and the training of on and off-ice officials. In the last two years we’ve had….
1. Mike Richards come just short of separating David Booth’s head from his own body with no discipline.
2. Matt Cooke does the same with Marc Savard, who Campbell labels a diver in an email.
3. Campbell himself questions the ability of officials and improperly orders that a certain official be placed with another to negate the incompetence of one of them. Yeah, two opposite approaches from officials in one hockey game is a good idea.
4. Stephane Auger gets investigated for telling a player that he’s going to get him. Out of the blue a wide spread media attack on Alex Burrows and the Canucks ensues.
5. The New Jersey Devils have their future flushed down the toilet. Yes half of it was their own doing but $3 million and against the cap, 3rd round pick in 2011, and a 1st round pick in one of the next four drafts was the penalty imposed by the NHL who didn’t feel the need to punish the Blackhawks, Red Wings, Flyers or Canucks for their similar cap circumvention techniques.
7. Video review is under the most scrutiny it’s been under since it’s placement into the NHL. Two goals involving the Kings, this season have now come under scrutiny for the obvious incorrect results of video review that you can argue cost them point which are very valuable. Must be a coincidence that the man reviewing the goals(Mike Murphy) applied for the Kings GM job and was declined. Must be a coincidence.
Where there’s smoke there’s fire. Anybody with a half hearted interest in the integrity of the game and holding a small degree of newfound or long standing power wouldn’t be able to sleep at night without making a serious effort to clean house at the top of the NHL ranks. Starting with Gary Bettman, Bill Daly, Colin Campbell, Terry Gregson and Mike Murphy.
This game is as corrupt as it’s ever been and changes need to be made for the sake of our game.
You stop when you have the right people in place. Bettman and Daly have placed teams into dreaded areas that aren’t viable for profitability or long term success, and they compound the mistake by refusing to admit that they’ve made them. Colin Campbell has a clear conflict of interest for which we have seen evidence. Mike Murphy in the video room has a clear bias and has demonstrated it. Terry Gregson is following the orders of Campbell and thus can’t adequately perform his duties in an impartial and constructive manner that will develop the officials throughout the league.
Those four men specifically need to go. And you start there.
If you think there’s conspiracy theory in anything I had to say. I recommend reading up on the decisions that these men have made and what has influenced them in their respective times at their posts.
I agree but at what point do you stop? For the history of man there are always consipiracy theories and people claiming unfair treatment. That can be a slippery slope
EVERY one of those numbers hanging at the Bell has WON A STANLEY CUP.
Seems pretty clear to me what it takes to get your # retired with MTL.
BTW – being the Captain for 10+ years and NOT winning the Cup…. That reflects a stain on his career in Montreal, not a rosy accomplishment that deserves his number retired.
Saku wanted to wear #9.
I never said it should be retired. try reading the comment before you respond. He played thirteen season and was captain for 9 of them. I was saying in my opinion I would have waited a couple of season. Gomez has not wore that number since Junior and now all of a sudden wants it. I just would rather have seen them wait a couple season. Plain and simple.
It is a nice gesture for someone who gave a ton for the city for so long.
Oh – Ok – Duh where was my brain.
The Habs should not let ANYONE wear the #11 – but not call it retired.
Why don’t you think on that for a bit.
fbkg has it right, the team waited 1 season. More then enough time to wait.
Otherwise the line always gets pushed back, after 2 seasons someone will say “Should be at least 3 seasons” & so on & so on…
As for “nice gestures” – What about allowing Gomez to have the # he wants…. He is after all a Montreal Canadiens, should the Habs not do nice gestures for their own family ?
If your argument is that Gomez should have respect for Saku’s tenure, how do you explain Koivu asking to wear #9?
thats cuz bobby ryan is number 9
Nobody is disrespecting him. You’re disrespecting Gomez.
BTW – forgot to mention this earlier.
It is not me who fell off the topic train here, your initial post I replied to – was a reply to someone asking if Koivu’s # should be retired.
Why don’t YOU re-read from the top eh ?
because nobody else was wearing it, he asked, they said okay
They gave it one season, thats good enough.
I am talking out of respect. A guy gives his all for 10 years as captain and a year later they let Gomez and overpaid underachiever wear it.
I would take Koivu and his salary back over Gomez anyday
Bobby Ryan wears #9.
And BTW – why would anyone boo him tonight, the Habs are playing the Senaturds… Not the Ducks tonight.
I know it is your opinion & all – but WTH!!!???!!!
Koivu is GONE now, so to your point “should not be wearing” – your opinion is wrong, I am sorry to say.
If the Habs went by your logic, they would have players with triple-digit numbers on their backs. Insanity.
Get over Koivu, he has gotten over the Habs.
I have no issues with you disagree with me but I think you are the one who is wrong. If you can captain a team like the Montreal Canadians for almost a decade, that is a pretty big accomplishment. I am not saying they should retire his number but giving it a few seasons would have been a nice gesture.
last time I checked his number is still 11 with the ducks. BTW he is also 10th all time in habs scoring while missing a whole season with Cancer. Sorry for all these negative posters. I have respect for players who give it there all.
Maybe we should all boo him tonight and tell him how bad he sucks and how he doesn’t speak french> Sometimes habs fans are just as bad as leaf fans
so would i but back to the number, its just a number
they gave it a season, more than enough time
Houle wore #11-14-15 as a member of The Habs……
You forgot number 21 also :).
Agree…loved the guys spunk but not retire jersey worthy.
you like guys spunk?
With a ring Markov would be worthy. But that’s just about it from the last 15 years.
The Bell Centre now has their “Ring of Honor” or whatever they call it. As well, there is a Hall of Fame in the building. so, there is a place for Koivu to eventually be honored when his career is finally over. I can think of others too, who deserve some recognition. No more sweaters hanging in the rafters……unless there is ever another dynasty of champions in Montreal. That should help to make some people understand what is takes to be able to join those numbers in the rafters. It would be a great start if you actually had won something.
I said in another post and have no problem saying it again, Lemaire, Shutt and Carbonneau will probably go up too. But’s that’s all for the next 20-30 years in all likelihood.
That’s a pretty bold prediction, you must be able to see the future
Proof is in the pudding Malreg. Hanzal’s stick is above his shoulders through the goal, he’s 6’6 on skates, the net is four feet high. The video room and Mike Murphy’s explanation were that they couldn’t see Hanzal make contact with the puck, yet the on ice officials who called the goal gave him credit for the tally.
As for the other goal, Ryan Smyth, with three seconds left in regulation deflects the puck with his stick parallel to his waist, no goal. Reviewed by….Mike Murphy.
Perhaps the Canucks weren’t getting the bad end of the on ice calls in the post-season, you know, on ice, where Murphy has absolutely no say over what goes on. And perhaps if the Canucks did get the bad end of the officiating it might have had something to do with the Auger incident.
As for Richards and Cooke. If you do some research into past NHL suspensions you’ll see that numerous players have been suspended multiple games for targeting the heads of other players. With no call on the ice, and clear definition of what infraction occurred.
And this is post blind site hits legislation.
Nothing against MAB exactly but yeah the MAB-Wiz thing was a riot. It made it obvious what Raymond’s agenda is.
the best part of it is… he gets a paycheck
Sometimes I wonder how everyone on RDS loves Michel Bergeron. His hockey sense is minimal at best, and he’s such a stubborn little sh*t. He rambles on with terrible comments, of course all negative, and they all stare in awe and agree with him. He’s like a Quebecois hero for them. And it’s so obvious he’s still in love with the Nords, every comment he makes about the Habs you can hear his love for the Nords.
I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.
Agree 100%. But I think RDS loves having him L’Antichambre. They seem to share the same opinions. I know he stands out by far as the dumbest, but they have quite a few tools on that show, including PJ Stock. I’ve tried to watch it 3 or 4 times, but it’s a crappy show. All they do is talk about controvery’s and negative things. And it seems the viewers love that stuff, so Raymond the dumbo will probably stay.
It was pretty cool when Mario came on the AC as he rarely agrees with Bergeron. Even to the point where he sides with PJ Stock against Bergeron (LOL) and that must be a tough choice.
You’re 100 percent right in that post and have to say it is the best one posted on here this year.
Well put. Mike G. It is the lowest common denominator to be negative and l’anti-chambre does a good job at it. And you’re right about all the tools on that show.
That’s good, but not the best part of it. Being in the same room as Chantal Machabee is. Damn that hockey-lovin’ lady is fine!
I’d go one step further & say, if Koivu’s #11 is retired, the Habs may as well retire virtually all the other numbers.
Here’s an important trivia question with respect to this topic… And it is a perfectly valid point.
How many Numbers/players who have been retired have NOT won the Stanley Cup at least once in their careers in Montreal ?
End of story, Koivu’s #11 will NOT be retired – Muller will get the #11 retired before Koivu does.
If guys get their jerseys retired because they’re great people. Some jerseys should come down while some different ones go up. And that’s just about all I have to say about Koivu’s number potentially being retired.
Who’s going to the game tonight in Ottawa? I’ll be in section 118.
Go Habs Go!! “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock
Great Sam Pollock quote…Thanks for putting that out there. I guess I will try to remember that as I contribute my comments here on HIO. Maybe we all should remember that and let the team make their business and hockey decisions instead of always questioning and criticizing every move or non-move they make.
if no use talking about him why write “MAB is extremely versatile – he is a D man AND a winger!We could have used him to replace Cammi or Paches tonight. MAB +1″?
This is all here say. No use in talking about MAB as its all in retrospective.
But going forward who do you think will be with the team NEXT year? (forwards)
Pleks, Cammi, ?
Gionta, Gomer, Paciorety
*Darche, Eller, Pouliot
Moen, ? , Desjarnis
He may be extremely versatile but he is a terrible D-man.
MAB is extremely versatile – he is a D man AND a winger!
We could have used him to replace Cammi or Paches tonight.
And who would replace MAB? MAB was injured while playing for the junior Lightning the other night.
And Boom goes the dynamite…
he even said that MAB brought the same physical game that wiz does…
Some, actually few, on this site thought we should sign him because he was so key to our PP success last year. He said he’d sign here for a discount, etc, etc….
All I know is I’m so glad we didn’t. He said he was 100% healthy following knee surgery, but now he’s missed his AHL teams most recent game due to inflamation. It might be from a hit, but still it’s not a good sign. He’s played 6 games so far and has 1 assist to show for; in the AHL.
So I think we made the best decision in going with the Wiz.
+1 to PG.
And to think that Bertrand Raymond from RDS dared to compare the Wiz to MAB, saying that they were equal, they both braught the same to the ice, and the only difference was their salaries…
The only upside of MAB to the Habs versus The Wiz, is that MAB is from Québec and speaks french.I rather the team look for the best player available.
MAB helped out last year on the PP for sure but the Wiz is a better fit all around. Maybe we can keep this guy instead of the usual “start the season with a sucky PP because we have no shot from the point” thing that we seem to be doing every year. He seems to love playing here.
Bertrand Raymond is a pathetic has-been. The vast majority of the posts that followed his article, basically told him he was out to lunch. This guy wants the Habs to sign every washed up french-canadian player whose looking for a last contract. The Wiz -MAB comparison was pathetic, similar to when he said the Habs should have picked up Denis Gauthier last summer. B.Raymond is a weasel, and it shows when he’s on anti-chambre, all hunched over, acting like he is a hockey god, and constantly making negative comments about the Habs except for french canadian players. Wish RDS would tell him to get permanently retired and do work for the PQ. Whenever he is on, I change channel. He’s irrelevant and has lost touch with the modern hockey and the modern world. It’s 2011, the 1970s were over 30 years ago. He should take Rejean Tremblay with him, another relic from the 70s. AT least he’s kept to himself this year. Habs doing well so he has nothing negative to say. RT actually thought Kovalev had more heart and guts than Koivu. Two dinosaurs who know nothing of hockey and cover up their ignorance with politics and cheap lies. RANT OVER!
LMMAO comparing Wiz to MAB.. MAB is softer than the melted butter on my counter (Hello Marlon Brando). Definately +1 to PG. I hope Wiz is physically ready for the long stretch.
I listened to White’s interview …excited to be with the Big club or what !!
I wish him the best !
I like the sound of Ryan White in his interview…would love to see thekid get a shot to play for us for a few games.
Also liked how he described A. Engqvist…like a Mats Sundin…defensvie with an offensive flare…would that be sweet or what? A 6’4″ guy with balance between offense and Defensively responsible.
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