Gomez v. Ladouceur at Canadiens’ Tuesday practice

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Yes, this just might be a topic on L’Antichambre:
The session in Brossard was enlivened by a heated exchange between Scott Gomez and assistant coach Randy Ladouceur.
“I screwed up on the drill,” Gomez said after practice.
“It happens all the time. Shows you the fire is still there.”

“There was no argument,” Gomez added. “It was a coach yelling at the player for messing up a drill.”

“We’re all grown men,” said Hal Gill. “We get heated and yell at each other. That’s part of the game, part of a team.”

“I played for an emotional coach, John Tortorella, and this happened often,” Mathieu Darche said. The difference, he added, was that practices in Tampa were covered by two journalists, not the battalion that descends on Brossard.

“It was more about competing and doing the drill the way it was intended to be done,” said Randy Cunneyworth, who restricted Gomez to less than eight minutes of ice time against Carolina Monday night and would not confirm that the Canadiens’ highest-paid player would be in the lineup against Boston.

“We’re looking for the lineup that will play the right way,” Cunneyworth said.

The coach also benched Andrei Kostitsyn for what Cunneyworth described as “three shifts, three turnovers that were painfully obvious.”

“Our job,” Tomas Plekanec said, “is to play hockey and not worry about who is playing and who is not.”

Lines at practice: Cole-Desharnais-Pacioretty | Darche-Plekanec-Bourque | Leblanc-Eller-Palushaj | Kostitsyn-Gomez-White

Yannick Weber was back at practice, but in a no-contact jersey

AUDIO: Scott Gomez | Randy Cunneyworth | Hal Gill I and II | Tomas Plekanec

529 Comments

  1. nellis13 says:

    Palushaj shouldn’t be playing after the last game. I’d rather see AK on the 3rd line with Eller and LL. Randy’s trying to make a point at a time when we just need to win. Put your ego assied. AK can get the job done. Palushaj can’t.

  2. smiler2729 says:

    Only in Montreal is a molehill made into a mountain

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    • nunacanadien says:

      Only in Montreal does a molehill skate around as if it were a mountain of a top 6 forward, or only in Montreal does a molehill be called a top 6 forward by the owner…..

  3. SmartDog says:

    Here’s how I see Ladouceur in this situation. He is us. And thank god someone like is finally telling Gomez what’s going on. In an interview recently he was saying how everyone is so supportive as if he should be pitied and loved. Such bullcrap. He needs a slap in the face – or a hundred slaps in the face. He’s practically delusional. So thanks Randy.

    I love this quote. So Plekanec. And so true:
    “Our job,” Tomas Plekanec said, “is to play hockey and not worry about who is playing and who is not.”

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    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • The Cat says:

      Im not defending Gomez or Kostitsyn, but being put in a winning situation and to have confidence and to have a good relation with the coach, chemistry with linemates counts for a lot. Not saying Gomez and AK havent been used properly; just saying at the beginning of the year here at HIO, most wouldnt have traded Gomez for Spezza (and yes I remember it being discussed).

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

      • SmartDog says:

        Cat, you’re being too nice. I like AK, partly because he spends half his time in the doghouse but still scores 20 or more goals every year. Gomez on the other hand has typically been given top line assignments (until very recently) and scores… 1 goal a year. Look at Pleks – he’s had a rotation of line-mates, and not a very favorable one – but he still scores, he still plays hard every game. Sure Gomez could have a more stable situation etc. but compared to any other players he’s done less to show he’s ready to bring it, and more to show he’s either incapable or uncoachable. Either way there’s no comparison on the team for how little he’s done.

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        Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

        • nunacanadien says:

          You would think an underperforming corporate asset like this would be disposed of in a regular private enterprise. It is almost as if the Habs have become a bureacracy of hockey. Where quiet incompetents get promoted and overpaid, and who never show up for work….

          • LA Loyalist says:

            Very insightful. Maybe Gomez is secretly a Quebecois bureaucrat? Long, expensive lunches, too many Galoises “Bruns”, hate-on for the anglos who keep him down on the cotton farm… actually the analogy falls apart because Gomez is too rich. In fact maybe he is more like Trudeau, rich and destructive. :-)

            Bring the hate :-)

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Smartdog, I think you might be on to something. Hard to know for sure since no one on the outside really knows whats going on inside the “room” but I’ve often thought that its much to comfortable for the veterans especially under the Count. Perhaps RC and his staff finally are going to maintain an equitable distribution of accountability. It sure as heck looked to me that Gomez has shown a consistant lack of effort on most nights during his tenure here. On the handful of games where effort from him was extended, he always quick to avoid contact and rarley battles for puck possession.
      I think the organization has compounded the original mistake of the trade by first giving him top 6 minutes and then having him on this team at all.

    • H.Upmann says:

      Exactly… Gomez needs to stop being a lil bi0tch and cut this ‘great-guy’ act, and deliver SOMETHING. At $7mil he should be an indispensable cog for the team machine…..instead he’s just popping in goals at a yearly rate now. Glad RL called him on his BS

  4. HabFanSince72 says:

    This year the top goal scorers from the 2007 draft year are Max Pacioretty and Logan Couture.

    The top defenceman from that draft year is Ryan McDonagh.

    So with three picks, Trevor Timmins managed to get Pacioretty, McDonagh and PK Subban.

    Promote Timmins. Fire Gainey.


    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • Garcia129 says:

      Nice post! I’m tired of reading about all the players we could have gotten instead of AK46. Nice to see some positives regarding some home grown talent.

      Hopefully LL, Tinordi, Gallagher, Beaulieu all pan out as well.

      I still get a pit in my stomach every time someone mentions how well McDonagh is developing.

      In Price we Trust

    • LA Loyalist says:

      Nice post. Visualize this team sans Gomez, with McDonaugh, PK and Max as you postulate — and a $5M center acquired with the money we saved on not getting Gomez.

      Hurts, doesn’t it?

      Thanks Bob!

  5. Habsman1970 says:

    I could see GILL and either MOEN or AK being traded to Philly for VAN RIEMSDYK. The money we are paying our players would almost be a wash for what Van Riemsdyk is being paid, and VanR would give us some needed size on the wing. He’s not lighting up the lamp like some others out there, but could see him working well with some of the other young blood we have (VanR is only 22).

    ONCE A HAB, FOREVER A HAB!!!

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Reverse the trade. Let’s say Philly had Gill and Moen.

      Would you trade Max Pac for Gill and Moen (who are both UFAs)? Or Max Pac for Gill and AK46?


      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

      • Habsman1970 says:

        Philly is in more need for a solid D to make a run for the cup, so there is more value in Gill for them. D men are at a premium right now so we can play that to our advantage.

        Oh, and Kostitsyn has more points than VanR this season too…

        ONCE A HAB, FOREVER A HAB!!!

        • The Cat says:

          I tend to agree with you, it would be an alright trade for both teams, habs might have to throw a late pick in there too.

          [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

        • Natrous says:

          I don’t think Philly is going to give up JVR just yet, as much as I’d love to see that deal come to fruition. If the Habs aren’t going to re-sign AK46 at end of year, deal him to a contender for a solid prospect.

  6. habs17 says:

    MUST WIN TONITE habs win 3-2 gomez with a goal after being called out

    I support Scott Gomez

  7. doug19 says:

    Vancouver Giants won 5-4 in a shootout over Tri-City Americans a team ahead of them in the standings. Brendan had 3 goals, another in the shootout and was first star. Patrick Holland had 2 assists and +1 for Tri-City. Brendan now 34 goals in 40 games.

  8. The Cat says:

    Its fitting Detroit gets to have the record. Its not cited too much as the reason of their success but Detroit’s secret is that they develop their players well in the AHL. Most of their players toil there for at least 2 years before going up to the big club.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  9. The Dude says:

    How bout Gorges ,Webber,AK and Gomez for Rick Nash?

  10. habsperspective says:

    Loosing two points last night doubly annoys me after Winnipeg, and Toronto lose there games.

    Whatever.

    Hopefully they get 2 points against those knuckleheads tonight. Atleast 8, 9, & 10th are still available.

  11. The Jackal says:

    Sholi its great to see posts like yours after wading through a sea of sardonic posts which are as negative as they are irrational. This team is not out yet, it’s not a bad team, and losing on purpose is not the answer rather it is affirming a notion that the team is no good at all – which is completely untrue. This team just needs a few tweaks, some stability in coaching and management, and most of all – confidence. If they get on a roll they will surprise many.

    • jedimyrmidon says:

      Agree 100%. This team is a work in progress that should be doing better than what its record indicates. Things have gone extremely poorly this season. I’m fairly confident it will not be a year-in year-out trend… unlike for a certain southern Ontario team.

    • doug19 says:

      This team does not have to lose on purpose, they are quite excellent at losing on their own as the season has proven. They are surrounded by good teams in the standings who are not mailing in games this time of year. The Islanders are making a run now! How far will they get? We get to see some great games until the end of the season.keep the illusion alive. Will habs close out t

  12. Propwash says:

    The poll needs another entry, “see how it pans out”.

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  13. habs17 says:

    I BELIEVE AGAIN I BELIEVE

    I support Scott Gomez

  14. sprague cleghorn says:

    In connection with an earlier thread tonight, here’s more Fun with Anagrams…

    Chris Campoli = Coach Lips Rim

    Raphael Diaz = A Hazard Pile

    Thomas Kaberle = Bleak Master Ho (which I believe is his rap name)

    Max Pacioretty = Atomic Party Ex or Coma Party Exit or Parity Ax Comet

    Tomas Plekanec = Pancake Motels or A Camp Skeleton

    Randall Ladouceur = Carnal Dual Louder

    Andrei Kostitsyn = Notarised Stinky or Dean Stinky Trios or A Dork’s Intensity or Ideas Rink Snotty

    _____________________________________________________________As was said in the House of Commons to Neville Chamberlain in 1940: You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!

  15. Laramy87 says:

    I swear Washington and Toronto just do not want to make the playoffs and are allowing not only the Habs but every team below them to make it a legit playoff race.

    If habs win tomorrow and leafs lose to Oilers, 5 back. Things are going to be interesting.

  16. habs17 says:

    we got the help we needed it, now time to go out there and take care of business

    I support Scott Gomez

  17. Chuck says:

    Aaaaaand the Laffs get shelled in Calgary. What a shame.

    • habs17 says:

      must win tmrw nite

      I support Scott Gomez

    • All the teams the Habs needed to lose lost.

      Hope the Habs go on another winning streak!

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      • Da Hema says:

        …except Carolina last night.

        • Can’t win them all, no matter how good or bad you are.

          Shane Oliver
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          Custom Sports Figures
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          • Da Hema says:

            True. But don’t tonight’s outcomes reinforce the costs of the Habs losing important games that should be won?

          • The Blues lost to the worst team in the league, any given night, no matter how good or bad you are, you never know what will happen. Tomorrow night the Bruins should destroy the Habs. I like to think they won’t. One thing is for certain, if the Habs lose the morons will be posting one sad reply after another.

            The Habs have excuses, one of the most injury riddled teams in the league. Players who were expected to be 40 goal scorers failed (Cammalleri), defense did not develop as fast as people hoped (PK, but I’m not worried about that kid) and management thought Markov was going to be good to go. That’s an extra 40 -50 goals the habs would have had in the lineup (not Markov, but in total). The list goes on.

            Management is working to get it all working. Fans are fooling themselves thinking they are sitting back and watching beer sales.
            Here is the lesson in the season. When things are great, then perfect, when things are bad, don’t get excited.
            That last four game streak was awesome. Then they lost one game and the weaker minded fans lost control. Horrible people and even worse fans.

            You can almost tell they don’t belong, don’t fit in, and have never accomplished anything in their little lives. Otherwise they would know, or would have learned from their mistakes. They haven’t, and a whole bunch of people are laughing at them.

            Bah humbug :lol:

            Shane Oliver
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  18. H.Upmann says:

    Watching some clips of Gomez-Ladouceur on TSN2…. looks to me like he isn’t taking direction or change in authority too well.., sorta like a non-team player

  19. Trisomy 21 says:

    Gallagher just broke the franchise record for goals for the Vancouver Giants tonight (127th goal). I was interested to see how the guy who held the record before him turned out…. wasn’t good. He played one season in the AHL.

    Let’s hope Gallagher’s future is quite the opposite.

  20. bellcentre hotdog says:

    As each day passes, Gainey’s deal for Gomez looks worse and worse. And he’s virtually untradeable. Not much demand for a soft, underperforming, 7million dollar hockey player.

    Besides the Roy trade, the Chelios for Savard trade, and given the realities of the salary cap, I can’t think of a worse deal by Habs management.

  21. Chuck says:

    Someone below was talking about possible contract structure in the next CBA.

    Personally, I’d like to see a clause where anything over a 5-year deal can’t come off your books, regardless of whether you bury the player in the minors or not. If you’re stupid enough to hand out a 10 deal to keep a 30 year-old on your roster, you deserve to pay for it for a long time.

  22. Boomer says:

    So Habs17 did you vote 117 times to keep gomez? :p
    whats going on there? I guess we could keep him till the end of the season, get a good draft pick and then buy him out. If he had any common sense he would retire…

  23. Marc10 says:

    Another quick question: Are Gomer or AK going to be in the press box in Beantown?

    My gut tells me ‘no’. But I don’t see either of those guys getting PP time unless they score two 5 on 5.

  24. habs17 says:

    thank you flames for keeping our faith alive, but i dont know if its a good or bad thing, to me rite now the habs feel like a girl i love, that keeps leaving me and coming back every month, dont know if i want them to just suck so we know to rebuild or drive for the playoffs ll

    I support Scott Gomez

  25. H.Upmann says:

    Anybody know how Avtsin is doing? If AK is gone soon, could he step into the role?

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      I think guys like Leblanc and even a good game by Palushaj last night have him far on the outside looking in. White is also due back next game. Not sure how if ever he’d get an opportunity?

  26. Trisomy 21 says:

    @Habs17
    Still awaiting the SJ trade that your “sources” told you about. Tell me, do you have to wear a tin foil hat to stop your sources from speaking to you?

  27. HabFanSince72 says:

    LOL @ Phaneuf.

    Just gave up a penalty shot.

    3-1 Flames.


    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

  28. Mr_MacDougall says:

    The difference between this years PK and last isn’t as much as many make it out to be. His plus/minus has improved substantially up to +2 from -8 last season (although I remember he and Gill had a terrible run where they were approx -10 over 3-4 games late last season).

    He is also on pace to have more assists than last season, currently having 19, 24 last season.

    There has been a huge drop in goals where he had an impressive 14 goals as a rookie, 9 of which came on the powerplay, and only 3 so far this season (1 PPG). He is on pace for roughly the same amount of shots.

    I think PK had a few of his goals last season from the top of the circle rather than the blue line where he takes most of his shots from this year, his goal scoring could be a simple fix… get in closer for his PP shots..

    Just a few thoughts on an exciting player..

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Also PK is now on the number one D pairing and plays against the other team’s number one line.

      He is getting better and better as a defenceman.


      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

      • Da Hema says:

        Another reason why the firestorm of “get rid of Subban” talk earlier this year was certain proof of the existence of “mass hysteria.”

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          “Mass hysteria” is why we’re going to miss the playoffs. It’s really sad. The media and the fans influence the team and stir up firestorms in the dressing room and on the ice that wouldn’t happen anywhere else.

          The team just recently settled down and they’re showing they can be pretty good, certainly a playoff team. All the crap with the coaches and French really threw the club for a loop and cost us the season.

          • habs17 says:

            that’s what happens playing in a city like montreal and especially the media in montreal

            I support Scott Gomez

      • Mr_MacDougall says:

        Yeah, it is easy to look at his goals and say he has regressed. I think his passing has been better, he goes into corners first knowing that the opposition is “gunning” for him.

        I do think he could make things easier on himself if he played a more “quiet” game and learned to play with the same intensity while avoiding confrontation after whistles. I believe certain players are waiting for an opportunity to hurt him because of his yapping.

  29. RiverviewCanadien says:

    So Ruutu is out something like 3 weeks? Didn’t people want him just the other day?

    Was it the mighty Plekanec check that put him out, cause if so, the Habs are getting tougher knowing White is back tomorrow night.

  30. Say Ash says:

    Tomorrow, the playoff push begins
    .
    .
    .
    for other teams.

  31. FlyingFrenchie says:

    This just in….Hab’s players blatantly
    refuse to (athletically) support Scott Gomez.

    • Timo says:

      That’s why I don’t get Habs not sending him to Hamilton. Not like there will be a difference in production. He does as much by being here as he by not being here. Habs management is truly dumb.

      • FlyingFrenchie says:

        Hockey with SG on your team = Dire Straits ” money for nothing and the chicks are free”.

        • powdered toastmann says:

          around and around we go

        • Mr_MacDougall says:

          I dont think Habs management is “dumb.” They have drafter bigger and stronger players, many that are starting to crack the lineup. The summer Koivu and Kovalev were let go for Cammalleri and Gionta as well as the Gomez trade is what hurts this team. That “blow up” of the team led to their best playoff run is years, and now missing the playoffs.

          Sure the Markov signing is hurting this team now, but if he returns to form it may not be that bad.

          Although, I do not have faith that the current management team can have the patients needed to add the proper pieces to this team. I fear there will be numerous “panic moves” made to fix the team this off season, bad trade, overpay for someone etc. I hope not though.

          • powdered toastmann says:

            Well, it only took that Einstein Gauthier a year (or 2) to have his revelation and announce to “the great unwashed” that the Habs need more size and toughness.

    • habs17 says:

      how much does stephen harper make

      I support Scott Gomez

    • zorro says:

      7 Million $ hockey players get paid to lead, not float.

  32. habs17 says:

    PLAYOFFS don’t talk about playoffs

    I support Scott Gomez

  33. jedimyrmidon says:

    Bruins shut out by the Rangers. Wonder if we’ll see a tired and frustrated group tomorrow. Or an angry motivated one.

  34. Phil C says:

    The whole Gomez situation really highlights how ridiculous guaranteed contracts are. It should be like the NFL in that if you don’t make the team in training camp, you can be cut at that point and become an unrestricted free agent. It should be like the arbitration rules where the club can opt not to pay the award, but also give up all rights to the player. A signing bonus can be used to guarantee part of the salary. At least guys like Redden and Huet might still be in the league.

    Another option is to not make buy-outs so punitive towards the cap. The financial penalty should be enough. The Islanders will have a $2.2M cap hit on Yashin until 2014-2015 which is ridiculous.

    I also hope contract lengths get limited to 5 years. A guy like Jeff Carter is now virtually untradeable despite being one of the elite centres in the league. Other than the guaranteed money, this is a lose-lose situation. Even factoring in the money, I wonder if Carter regrets the contract, having to face the next decade in Columbus? He will be 37 before he is a free agent again and have control over where he plays.

  35. habsfan0 says:

    Calgary 2 Toronto 0 in 1st period

  36. Timo says:

    So no Schultz against Bruins? I mean since we’re tanking might as well break a few noses along the way. Lucic and Marchand’s stick out the longest.

  37. novahab says:

    My trade wish is to send Gomez to the Ducks for Parros, well we know that’s not happening. So lets send AC instead. Forth line Schultz ,Parros and White and lets bring on the Bruns.

  38. The Gonk says:

    I support the anti-Gomez. The one without press savvy, the piss-pour locker room guy, who gets 90 points a season, who leads by example on the ice, who scores 35 goals, back-checks always, and plays those tough minutes against the other team’s top line. The guy from Antarctica, with a mullet, who hits, takes a beating to go the net and has a negative cap hit of $7.5 million. Also the one who listens to his coach, never talks back, acts like a professional, and can do the drills at practice.

    Gomez may be on waivers before the end of this season. Gomez will not be on this team next year.

  39. 100HABS says:

    NASH!

    As much as I would love to have him on this team, I have to admit he would never have Mtl on his short-list of acceptable teams… we just don’t have a centreman he would like to play with.

  40. remi_10069 says:

    my “trade that useless tool” talk seems to have done the trick with PK and Plek so may as well open it up on AK. He’s a lazy “bella” russian who can’t seem to bring his extreme talent and size to every game. Forget him needing to play with better players, he needs to get his head out of his ass and start TRYING. That’s all we ask.

    Trade his ass to the peg with Thomas and his big mouth.

    pipes

  41. aj says:

    By what just happened this morning’s practice, I want to know who’s really calling the shot’s here? Is it Randy Cunneyworth or Randy Ladouceur?

    I was just watching the incident in CTV montreal and RC was not even saying a single word when RL dropped the f*** bomb on Gomez.

  42. Le Jadester says:

    @HFS72
    I agree with ending the relationship with AK 46 or play him as an offensive specialist only. I just don’t understand how JM and now Randy cannot harness his strengths ? JM played him on the PP in front of the net whenever he got the chance, which is not playing him to his strengths. IMO you’re better off putting Gill up there or Darche again, or Blunden or Moen ? And now Randy doesn’t use him and plays Gomer ? But never on the half wall ? BTW Cole’s PP goal last night was unreal ! But we have never tried developing AK there and we drafted him ? Which I think suits his strengths. Why isn’t the 2nd PP unit RB-TP-AK ?

    Either way, My point is, we as an organization “effed up” with the K-bros. I like them, but don’t care if they’re both gone. I care about the organization/team. They should have been at very worst….. an excellent 3rd line for us with a decent 3rd line center (i.e. Lang who was a senior citizen at the time) at a good price. Or if we knew they weren’t gonna be good for us in the long term, they should have been traded for a good return when their value was good in the market. Instead, just benchings, revolving coaches, soap operas and fleeced trades while other teams benefit from our picks and development. When are the Canadiens gonna start winning at development and trades ?

    So my question is, who is responsible for this ?

    If we eff this up like SK and get nothing back, then that’s just dumb dumb dumb.

    Habs, OLE !


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