Audio: Cammalleri still out; no Crosby

AUDIO: Jacques Martin English and French | Benoit Pouliot | Alex Auld

The Canadiens will be without forward Michael Cammalleri tonight for the second straight game.

Cammalleri took part in a six-player optional morning skate at the Bell Centre but was sent home immediately afterward, head coach Jacques Martin saying that he was making progress from a flu bug but still not in shape to play. The coach said he hopes Cammalleri will be ready by the weekend, the New York Rangers in town Saturday.

Goalie Carey Price was one of the six on the ice this morning, along with defenceman Alexandre Picard and forwards Tom Pyatt, David Desharnais and Lars Eller.

The Penguins will be without their franchise player, Sidney Crosby, who still has not begun to skate following a “mild concussion” he received either in the New Year’s Day Winter Classic or game Jan. 5 vs. the Tampa Bay Lightning.

167 Comments

  1. jimmy shaker says:

    I can’t wait till there gone!!!!  BUMS

    Shaker

  2. REB says:

    U’ve said it before (and got shot down), but I’ll say it again…try Boyd.  He’s tearing it up in the AHL (he doesn’t belong there), has soft hands, and seems to have a nose for the net.  Here in Mtl he was played on the 4th line, which was setting him up to fail.  He seems to be an offensive-minded player with a weak defensive side…so use the offensive side and let Pleks do the back-checking. 

  3. Led says:

    Spatch drives me nuts, but when he’s good (like last night) he’s good. I’ve always liked Hammer and think he’s one of the best all-round d-men we’ve had for years (Markov excluded) though perhaps slightly over-paid.

  4. Thrillhouse says:

    Good point, I got mixed up between players. Goes to show you what a great deal Letang is this year, though.

  5. habsforthecup says:

    I agree with you about AK. They need to send him away, and let him flourish with another team, if that’s what’s  going to happen, good for him, but it will NEVER happen in Montreal.

    As for Pouliot, as I said above and for months, he’s a bottom 6 over acheiver (when he wants to be) and a Top 6 under acheiver. He does better with no pressure. Keep him on the bttom 6, and just hope he wakes up and tries.

    Eller, I really like, and I don’t think DD is the answer, he’s small, he has good hands, but he’s not MSL, and I still want him to prove himself, but so far, he looks quite lost. I don’t know…. Maybe i’m wrong, but I think Eller > DD.

    - A

  6. GrimJim says:

    If I’m remembering what I read correctly, when a player goes on LTIR the team can go over the cap limit by an amount equal to the injured player’s salary. The player’s pay and insurance is a separate issue. Contracts are guaranteed so the team must pay the player as long as the contract is in effect. I think the salary insurance is just like any other insurance policy; the Habs pay an annual premium, insurance starts when a players goes on LTIR and is paid to the team, as a flow-through item on their books.

  7. habsforthecup says:

    1. Four UFA D’s this summer.  Who do you most want back of Markov, Hamr, Gill, Wis?  Hamr. Gill. So far Wis as well, but I want to wait a few more weeks before saying 100% to him, and Markov well… 1 Season/2.5-3 Mil then talk longer.

    2. Should PK be playing with Gill or Hamr? Either or, but I would prefer Wiz with Harm and Subban with Gill.

    3.
    Should Pouliot (our top point-man per minute of play) stay on the 3rd
    line where he has had success (and probably less pressure) or be
    promoted to the top 6 to take better advantage of his skill? No. I’ve said for months (a year?) that Pouliot doesn’t excel when under pressure on the top lines and he does excel when he’s with bottom 6 players. Keep him there and let him play with bottom 6. He can’t handle the pressure well.

    4.
    In December many people trashed JM for his decision-making.  (I was one
    and stand by it.) Now that the team is winning again, can he take this
    team to the promised land?  Or is he the reason why players leave here
    to do better elsewhere? Both? He tends to stifle the younger talent, but they also tend to rebound after being stifled. In the case of Lapierre, he was the same player with JM as he was with Carbonneau and everyone else. He never excelled. He like AK and Pouliot works hard for a few and then takes it easy… or just doesn’t try. So I thikn it’s a combination of things. The ‘system’ also doesn’t suit everyone so…

    5. JM says he’s going to play Auld more so
    that Price can be more rested.  Did he read this on here (from me and
    others) or is it an original lightning-bolt thought from the blue? 
    (Rumour says Time is actually JM venting.)  What will JM’s next
    revelation be? To retire? One can hope…

     

    I hardly ever post here, but I read it multiple times a day, and i REALLY love your questions, so thank you!

    – A

  8. 24 Cups says:

    Thanks.  I should know better!

     

  9. Bugs says:

    There, there?

    Polygonically contained, I square off as

    L. Bugs Potter, esq., Herzog of ze Abominable Habsuchtig Brigade, Markgraf of ze Fearsome Flanell Flausen Flank, und devoted minion of ze Habsbros Order: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  10. HFX-HabFan says:

    Good stuff, although Letang isn’t a forward (even if he’s scoring like one this season).

  11. LA Loyalist says:

    Agreed.

    ? How do the mechanics of it work, if a player is on LTIR it frees up cap space to sign someone else with the money, but does the team continue to pay the player and just goes over the cap by that amount or is their insurance that kicks in? Just wondering…

  12. Mattyleg says:

    Here here.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  13. LA Loyalist says:

    D’Arche (Darche?) – NHL on the fly did a little highlights reel of him in the Rangers game and he looked pretty impressive and worked hard. And that’s all we ask. Hard work!

  14. Mattyleg says:

    Wow! Wellwood? What’s the deal with that guy?! He seemed to be fitting in well with Vancouver…

    (and it’s a ‘moot’ point…)

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  15. Mattyleg says:

    I like your numbers!

    Good work, Thrillzy.

    I agree that AK is part of a definite strata within the league, and plays his part well.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  16. Duracell3 says:

    I’d still like to trade Gomez. Too bad literally no one in the leauge would give a bag of pucks for him.

  17. Duracell3 says:

    Faster, but probably more giveaways.

  18. Duracell3 says:

    I think people’s issue with him is his insane inconsistency. He misses open nets, fans on shots, etc all the time. He had a great start, and now has like 4 points in his last 18 games. He was awful in the playoffs last year. But like you said, others in his class are somewhat close. But for me, if he is going to loaf around the ice missing chances I’d rather put Benny or Lars in his spot.

  19. Displaced says:

    I agree.  Most coach has players that moved on and did better.  Most coaches have had players arrive and improve.  Like Pouliot.  Just citing two wildly different examples.

    Who’s leg do I have to hump to get a martini around here?

  20. emann_222 says:

    Good!

    I haven’t been a popular voice this year when I supported Darche from pre-season on. But I think having given him the role he’s been given this season, has been paramount to much of our bottom 6 success. Even that Pouliot goal the other night … had it not been for Darche grinding to the front of the net and batting down the puck, there would have been nothing for Pouliot to snap into the back of the net!

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  21. 24 Cups says:

    1.  Keep in mind that Markov, Gorges and the Wiz will all be coming back on bad legs. Six knee orerations in total for the three of them.  Careful with long term contracts for those three (collectively).  Hammer and Gill can come back on one year deals.  We have nobody in the system to replace them so you either go with the devil you know or…..

    2.  Gill and Subban don’t work well together.  Let Subban play with the Hammer and Gill with the Wiz.

    3.  You asked the wrong question.  The real question is WTF are we going to do with AK46?  When you answer that, then you’ll know what to do with Pouliot.

    4.  I have a post coming that will show just how successful Martin has been.

    5.  Martin played Auld because it made strategic sense.  Not because of any bogus claims on H I/O.  A 70-12 split makes sense and Auld is on par for that right now.  If Price eventually shows any signs of tiring, then Auld can go from 12 to 15 starts.  It’s s total non issue.

    6.  SD – I just took my golden retriever, Faith,  for a walk in the park.  We have fresh snow here and it was a fun time.  Then it hit me.  Imagine how great this planet would be if people were more like goldens?  Maybe the creator got it mixed up.

  22. Thrillhouse says:

    I agree Big Tits isn’t the greatest player. He’s often a bit lost, and frequently lacks passion. But he still contributes. And he’s not being paid for his potential; he’s being paid for his contributions, and he’s being paid fairly (if anything, he’s paid slightly less than the average).

    Method: I went to Capgeek, and randomly went to a few teams, and picked a forward in the 3.2-4m salary range, and compared those stats to Brother Andrei. The stats include every single NHL game played by any of these. Here are the details:

    Kris Letang, 3.5 million – 0.45 points per game
    David Krejci, 3.75m  – 0.69 ppg
    Dave Bolland, 3.375m – 0.49 ppg
    Rene Bourque, 4.0m – 0.56 ppg
    Valtteri Filppula, 3.5m – 0.47 ppg
    Alexander Frolov, 3.0m – 0.69 ppg
    Andrei Kostitsyn, 3.25m – 0.58 ppg
    Jochen Hecht, 3.5m – 0.58 ppg

    The steals in the above listing are clearly David Krejci and Alexander Frolov, but those are really the outliers, and not the norm.

    While there are obviously sometimes players that are underpaid for their contribution, just as there are some that are overpaid (Vincent The Horseman, for example), we actually have a pretty decent deal with AKost, and for the same price, we would not likely do better than his point production to date. Even this year, he’s still on-pace to 45 points, which is a 0.55 points per game. 

    I agree Ryan Getzlaf is better than Andrei Kostitsyn.

    I also agree Zach Parise and Jeff Carter are better, too.

    They’re also all better paid than Andrei Kostitsyn. Andrei has more talent than he lets on, and COULD produce more than he has, no doubt — but he appears to be paid below market rate for his actual production, so when everyone is so eager to bash him, keep in mind that for the same salary, it’s more than likely you’d actually get less for your money, rather than more.

  23. LA Loyalist says:

    The first thing I learned in French was “j’ais prend un biere, froid, s’il vous plait” the second was “taxi!”.

    Power to Wiz-newski-amigo-san.

  24. shiram says:

    Last night’s Spacek goal is now credited to Darche, for his 7th.

  25. 24 Cups says:

    Only up until the inured player returns which in our case is a mute point.

    The other factor of course is that every passing day lowers the salary that is left for the player you might be interested in trading for at some point in time.

    BTW, St Louis just signed Kyle Wellwood as an injury replacement player.  He must pass through waivers first before joining the team.

  26. shiram says:

    I think its more to do with the players salary, IE: the more of the season gone, the less you have to pay em still. What i mean is for a million dollar player, at halfway point, you only have to pay 500k$.

    but yea the premice is correct.

  27. Hobie Hansen says:

    Nobody would take Spacek in any trade and this is without a doubt Hamerlik’s last year in Montreal…

  28. VancouverHab says:

    Yeah — can’t understand why they don’t get the respect they deserve here on H-I/O. We’re damn lucky to have them (major ‘unsung heroes’.)

  29. Bugs says:

    That point was made to counter him being “the reason why players leave here to do better elsewhere.”

    Polygonically contained, I square off as

    L. Bugs Potter, esq., Herzog of ze Abominable Habsuchtig Brigade, Markgraf of ze Fearsome Flanell Flausen Flank, und devoted minion of ze Habsbros Order: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  30. Pieboy says:

    Good on O’Byrne.

    These rankings do make me wonder about all those detractors of Hamrlik and Spacek.  What will the Habs defence look like if Hamrlik leaves in the summer?

  31. Bugs says:

    Point.

    Polygonically contained, I square off as

    L. Bugs Potter, esq., Herzog of ze Abominable Habsuchtig Brigade, Markgraf of ze Fearsome Flanell Flausen Flank, und devoted minion of ze Habsbros Order: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  32. habs365 says:

    put pouliot and ak46 on a line with crosby and you’ll see where their problem lies.

  33. krob1000 says:

    it is my assumption that our LTIR money increases with every passing daya nd means we can get a better player the longer we wait…am I understanding this right? http://www.capgeek.com/

  34. Displaced says:

    Your comment to question #4 about JM not being responsible for letting LeClair go.

    Who’s leg do I have to hump to get a martini around here?

  35. Say Ash says:

    Why didn’t he say we were destined to win? We did that a couple of times, too.

  36. joeybarrie says:

    I was watching it on Center Ice and had the MSG feed. The announcers were praising the Habs towards the end of the game for their play. Despite the two posts and the fact a few bounces went our way. It would have been easy for them to say we were lucky. TSN on the other hand seems to ALWAYS go against the Habs. Little pot shots like your mom takes on your wife when she visits. (not mine, by the way, my mom takes my wife’s side no matter what) but you get what I mean.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  37. Say Ash says:

    It’d be close. Crosby’s been playing with various Darches for a while.

  38. Malreg says:

    He said it because Montreal’s last 3 games before that had gone to overtime, wasn’t meant as an insult.  Gord Miller is better than that.

  39. emann_222 says:

    Good AHL linesmates seldom work well as same in the NHL. Patches is actually complimenting his line as is, and I’m still not sold on the fact that Desharnais belongs at the NHL level. I know many will say that he’s quick despite his size, but between seasoned players like Gionta, Cammalleri, and Gomez …. small players with speed is not a need on our roster.

    I sincerely hope that JM doesn’t mess with the current placement of Max. He’s generating some good offense. 7 points (3G 4A) in 13 games with 43 SOG! Don’t mess with that line.

     

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  40. derfab says:

    Sign Markov long term.  The only real risk is another injury. Spacek should be traded for some pucks and Hamrlik offered less money to stay. Gill can be extended 2years. A younger, more dynamic left-side d-man acquisition to support markov should be a priority.

  41. Bugs says:

    No. Because, foreseeing that statement, I have prepared the reasoning to counter it. Observe:

    You got Crosby on one side and Marky/Cammy/Gorgie on the other. 6 spots available.

    Take Darche and clone him 5 times to fill spots.

    Crosby and 4 Darches vs Marky/Cammy/Gorgie and 2 Darches.

    Who wins game?

    Polygonically contained, I square off as

    L. Bugs Potter, esq., Herzog of ze Abominable Habsuchtig Brigade, Markgraf of ze Fearsome Flanell Flausen Flank, und devoted minion of ze Habsbros Order: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  42. Leucotome says:

    The Toronto Sports Network at its best!

  43. Bugs says:

    Well, what the heck was I sayin?

    Don’t tell me, Dis; tell Pup.

    Polygonically contained, I square off as

    L. Bugs Potter, esq., Herzog of ze Abominable Habsuchtig Brigade, Markgraf of ze Fearsome Flanell Flausen Flank, und devoted minion of ze Habsbros Order: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  44. joeybarrie says:

    You are selling Spacek and Hamr short and you are doing it to an insulting level. More so your making yourself look kinda dumb with that point. What was the excuse last season when Spach and Hamr filled in for Markov so well?

    The whole theory about them being so mad at PK that they wouldnt pass the puck to him is pretty dumb too. See cause its the things he did WITH the puck that made JM bench him.

    By the way Spacek and Hamrlik have already done things that PK can never do in under 100 games. One of them is go to a Stanley Cup Finals and the other is make the All Star game 3 times.

    The Vets on this team are very important. MORE SO THAT PK IS RIGHT NOW. Not that PK isnt great. But lets try to remember what the teams record is with and without PK…

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  45. derfab says:

    True. But I’d give up those three and a few more to have Crosby, non?

  46. HabsPEI31 says:

    Doh! Just beat me to it. Josh Gorges 14th and Hal Gill 24th.

     

    And Ryan O’Byrne 26th.

     

    “Only a goalie can appreciate what a goalie goes through.” – Jacques Plante

  47. Da Hema says:

    Was it McGuire? Gord Miller is too smart to say something stupid like that.

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  48. jennifer1984 says:

    I KNOW!!! i was quite irked. doesn’t it have to be tied to go into overtime? i asked this allowed to my boyfriend…and he wondered the same thing

  49. Pieboy says:

    In the Globe today, James Mirtle ranks Spacek and Hamrlik as the 2nd and 3rd most effective defensive defencemen in the NHL this year at preventing goals against.

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/globe-on-hockey/the-nhls-top-defensive-defencemen-at-midseason/article1867013/

     

     


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