At least it’s a white Christmas

KabWinn
The Canadiens flew back from Winnipeg to a snow in Montreal.
The team is off until Boxing Day, but the fans won’t be off their case after five straight regulation-time losses.
That hasn’t happened since October, 2009 – Jacques Martin’s third through seventh games behind the bench.

Pat Hickey’s game story

Quotes from the room

Language hawks plan protest

Pierre Ladouceur’s game report card

Canadiens not tough enough?

Maybe they need Luis Moreno

611 Comments

  1. slychard says:

    Coming from an FC transplanted in the states for so long…I truly hope the blokes will counter demonstrate. I am so turned off to my… I’m disgusted. Always had an infinity for the hawks…

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Kiss my hAbSS!!!

  2. slychard says:

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Kiss my hAbSS!!!

  3. HardHabits says:

    Musings on the new NHL alignment:

    In the new alignment a team that finishes 4th in the division has to start the play-offs on the road against the division’s best team, then should that team win round 1 it would be on to playing the winner of the 2nd versus 3rd division match-up. If by some miracle the 4th place team makes it out of the division, according to the new rules that team will more than likely be the lowest seed of the four remaining, unless the other 4 divisions have upsets too, and will have to play the best team of the four, likely a league powerhouse, and that would only be round 3 of the play-offs and not even the SCF where this back door entry will still have to play if it wins round 3 yet another team that was higher than it in the standings. A daunting task to say the least to take home the hardware.

    Thus the new alignment will make it even more difficult for a team outside the top 5 to win the Cup than the current system which has seen the top 5 team win every Cup save 3 (and those were top 10) since it was introduced back in 1994.

    Another nail in the coffin for the once you make the play-offs anything can happen theory.

    That is why it is so important to build a team capable of finishing in the upper echelons of the standings to have a legitimate chance at the Cup. Just making the play-offs isn’t enough and it looks like it is going to be even less likely moving forward.

    • Bozo McBozo says:

      Yea, it kinda sucks if you suck. The simple solution, don’t suck!

    • Chris says:

      It’s really not clear to me how the new scenario is tougher than the current one where we re-seed after every round, meaning that a low seed that stages an upset has to turn around and do it again and then again and then again.

    • idle says:

      Just to clarify, are you saying that since 1994, every team that has won the cup, with the exception of 3, have finished in the top 5 in the league during the regular season?

      Or is it top 5 in the Conference?

      Regardless, there have been at least a few times when the 8’th seed has made it to the cup finals (Edmonton, Calgary)

      I know the goal is to actually win the thing but for those who start calling in November for the team to tank and try for a good draft pick, would you rather miss the playoffs badly or squeak in and possibly go on a wild ride that take you two or three series in?

      If you still choose for them to tank then you better hope they do turn things around the next season or it will be a damn long time before getting to watch your team engaged in playoff hockey.

  4. The Dude says:

    With Gallager on the Habs next year changes are a coming.Keep DD and Gallager and good-bye Cammi,Gionta and Gomez!

  5. smiler2729 says:

    Rumours of major CBJ-Habs trade…

    Our crap for their shite…

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    Jack Edwards sucks chowdah chunks

    • The Dude says:

      If there is hockey gods show me a sign and deliver Nash.And if the hockey gods are Hab fans give us Nash for Gomez.

    • Sean Bonjovi says:

      Molson has ordered PG to traded the most English sounding name for Derick Brassard.

      “If ownership cared about Habs fans, or Habs wins the Habs would play home games in the last two weeks of December”
      – Sean Bonjovi

      • Sean Bonjovi says:

        because that would open the door to trading the italian guys too, then the city’s italian population would be enraged and some of them are connected, so that’s a can of worms best left un-opened so to speak.

        “If ownership cared about Habs fans, or Habs wins the Habs would play home games in the last two weeks of December”
        – Sean Bonjovi

    • jmsheehy19 says:

      Don’t see how that would work as both are right near the cap and their high paid players are better than ours and our low paid ones are better than their’s (johanson aside).

      One team would end up getting screwed.

    • Mike D says:

      I’m not big on trade rumours, but even if there were any merit to this, all of their good players are on insanely long contracts.

      Jeff Carter – signed until 2022! Reasonable cap hit, but still.
      Rick Nash – signed until 2018 at 7.8mil. Good player, but yikes!
      Umberger – signed until 2017 at 4.6mil. Ok player, but not THAT good.

      Vermette for 3.75mil – ok player, bad contract
      Brassard at 3.2mil and has been a healthy scratch a lot this year.

      Unless they’re taking on a bad contract of ours (which I don’t think they have cap room or a willing owner for), or giving us draft picks, they can knock on someone else’s door.

      – Honestly yours

  6. punkster says:

    I’ve limited my commenting for a few weeks apart from some friendly sparring with a few of the more humorous and lighthearted posters. Pithy comments are just not my thing, though given the tone of the past couple of weeks I may be mispronouncing the word.

    I did run across this one from Gandhi: “Strength does not come from physical capacity, it comes from indomitable will.” It’s possible he may just have foreseen our present day Habs. Although they appeared to have individually trained hard over the summer the team’s physical capacity has certainly been challenged with injuries to key players, their less than aggressive physical play, and their draining of the increasingly shallow pool in Hamilton to fill the (lunch) buckets in Montreal.

    Darche and Moen, Kaberle and Campoli, Diaz and Webber, Nokelainen and Blunden, all hale fellows and well met I’m sure. Though these aren’t exactly the “supermen” we had figured on in those halcyon days of September when the future seemed so reasonably bright that many of us wearing shades, or at least glasses with floral coloured lenses. Nope, more everyman than superman.

    What’s missing is that indomitable will. We’ve seen evidence of will in the close games with some of the best teams so I suspect it’s in there. Somewhere. Maybe they just need something, some event or situation that unlocks it. Maybe all the upheaval of the past few weeks will spark that will. Maybe.

    One final note before the holiday, a gripe really, a complaint about how the NHL is dealing with concussions. As Ken Dryden so eloquently points out the NHL is missing the mark on this stuff. Suspensions alone won’t stop this stupidity and until the league, and specifically Bettman, makes the entire issue a priority we’ll continue to see players lose their lives. And make no mistake they are losing their lives.

    Now tuck into a nice warm bed and drift off to the sounds of NKC with Oscar Peterson and Coleman Hawkins. Sweet Lorraine:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ayQq5AQxF0
    Cheers HI/O.

    ***Subbang Baby!!!***

  7. JIMVINNY says:

    Gallagher looks really good on the PK. surprising, since his foot speed was supposed to be in question.

  8. durocher says:

    PG has to be fired now — he put Cunneyworth, Molson, and the franchise in the unfortunate situation of facing the language issue, and gave the team what everyone knows will be a short-term coach. He also can’t be trusted with trades between now and the deadline. Before he saddles our cap situation with more bad contracts, or squanders prospects, he has to go. The reports are that the Cunneyworth hiring was done in haste, and the Kaberle deal also seems to have been a desperation move — this is a GM who doesn’t think in a comprehensive fashion, and needs to be relieved of his duties. And don’t forget, his adviser, a major culprit in the Habs’ demise, BG, has to go too.

  9. Everlasting1 says:

    Of note..Blues’ prospect Jaden Schwartz named captain of Team Canada for the WJC tourney :)

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    “For I will go through the land of Egypt on that night, and will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the Gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the LORD.” Exodus 12:12

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

  10. kempie says:

    I’ve got this uneasy feeling that this team will make a really, really, really stupid trade after Christmas. And if, as my Spidey sense tells me, it involves PK & Eller for a declining superstar, I am gonna lose my ****. Like thermo-nuclear.

    • jmsheehy19 says:

      You better tell your spidey sense to change its tone if it wants to see the new year. (tries to look menacing… Takes sip of eggnog… Fails to look menacing)

  11. Everlasting1 says:

    Not to stir up sh!t or rub salt, but the B’s looking as dominant as ever, playing like the 70’s version of the Habs. They are in the ZONE. Marchand with a hatter, 2 assists, Rask with the shut-out. Their +/- goal differential is stratospheric.
    Pouliot fitting in nicely, as no mere passenger in that stacked squad.

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    “For I will go through the land of Egypt on that night, and will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the Gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the LORD.” Exodus 12:12

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

  12. habs-hampton says:

    missed the start of the junior game. Why isn’t Beaulieu playing?

  13. daveho29 says:

    Lots of rumours on the fourth period, Ducks are shopping Bobby Ryan, Kings are “dangling” Jack Johnson and Tampa needs to make changes to salvage their season.

    Lecalvier anyone?

    • We already have too many bad contracts. No Lecavalier please..
      Now Bobby Ryan.. one can dream.. would look great in bleu-blanc-rouge.

      • The Dude says:

        They can take our bad contracts for Vinny IN A HEARTBEAT!

        • jmsheehy19 says:

          No they can’t. Vinny is signed at 7.7 till 2021 if I’m not mistaken. And is nowhere near the superstar people here like to think. he had two great seasons. That’s it. He’s on pace for 55 points this year. He had 54 last season. Worst contract in the league, (yes including Gomez), and possibly the most overrated player in the league (at least here in QC).

          Not trying to jump on you Dude, just sick of hearing about Vinny the savior these past few years.

          Now Bobby Ryan or some of the kings players, I could go for that.

    • Mike D says:

      TFP seems like a lot of bunk. I’ve seen a bunch of rumours on there that never came to fruition, or are retreaded rumours that have already been posted by more reputable sources (Ducks shopping Bobby Ryan for example).

      – Honestly yours

  14. HardHabits says:

    IMHHO it was George Gillette who brought the Habs back from the dead. He was the instrument of the team turning things around. Not Gainey.

    Worse for Habs fans is it was the Molson’s who screwed the pooch with this club. They sold low only to buy back high.

    Dark days ahead my friends.

    • kholdstare says:

      I agree HH he did bring respectability back to the habs. I also thought it was good that an outsider owned the habs, much more freedom to operate the business.

    • HabFab says:

      Nyet HH!

      Gainey is both the good and bad from his time, which makes him just surprisingly human.

      Love the IMHHO by the way!

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Agree Gillette was a good owner but left everything hockey to BG. Gillette was quite often on fan 590 radio in T.O. And often spoke of how he allowed his hockey people to run the hockey side.

        • HardHabits says:

          I still think GG had not just vision but also an understanding of the Habs with a kind of mystical intuition about the team, its history and its place in Quebec and Canadian culture. At the very least he respected the traditions of the team and helped not only to glorify them but to make them larger than life. It obviously helped that he owned the club during its centennial year.

          Molson by comparison appears to be a money grubber and charlatan. I know that is a scathing analysis but every press release he’s made just reeks of corporate speak.

          I have yet to see GM as having anywhere near the same business acumen as GG did.

          • kholdstare says:

            HH when you are right, you are right. Well said.

          • Danno says:

            Molson cracked down on the use of the word Habs on websites such as this one which used to be known as Habs Inside Out. A word that once belonged to the people suddenly became corporate property and unauthorized use became punishable by Molson’s lawyers.

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            “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

          • HabinBurlington says:

            I really liked Gillette but he may have been the biggest money grabber yet, how many jersey’s alone did he come out with. The mess is on PG.

          • HabFab says:

            GG made his fortune while GM’s great grandfather made his. No contest there for business acumen.

    • Sean Bonjovi says:

      Didn’t George Gillette invent the December losing streak to milk non-hockey revenue out of the Bell Centre? He also had a hand in the candy cane jersey decision, but I still think Geoff Molson will be much worse for the team than he was.

      “If ownership cared about Habs fans, or Habs wins the Habs would play home games in the last two weeks of December”
      – Sean Bonjovi

  15. slapshot777 says:

    Any news on Markov? Is he started skating again?

  16. habs-fan-84 says:

    Anybody seen Pouliot’s goal tonight? Unbelievable!

  17. HabinBurlington says:

    Is Garth Snow now designing hockey uniforms? Just saw a glimpse of the NYI uniforms they wore tonight, I thought they looked terrible.

  18. HabinBurlington says:

    Have seen lots of TSN reports on Team Canada recently but heard little since the exhibition games began regarding Beaulieu.

  19. kholdstare says:

    They are trying to make sure that everyone believes turncoat benny planned that move for goal of the year. I thought it was nice save, I dont think he moved it there to protect it. Either way he got it back and finished. Sad when I wish Benoit Pouliot could be doing that for us this season.

  20. HabinBurlington says:

    Read down below that Pribyl has made the Czech squad. Will be glad to have the distraction of World Jr’s next few weeks, even better at least we have prospects to watch.

  21. habs001 says:

    we are 22nd in goals scored(3-4 teams are right behind us with several games in hand)..the last 2 years we were ranked pretty well in the same position…

  22. habs001 says:

    Eller should have played much more in the ahl…between 2005 to now Eller has scored 77 goals ..that is too little goal scoring experience to translate into goal scoring confidence in the nhl…

  23. Eric Danis says:

    So people its as simple as pie, it is not impossible for our habs to make the playoffs! But it is doughtful they will, so as a new years resolution i say this… Let gautier get his severence package and let the new gm finish with the young blood of our team, trade all the deadwood and aim for last… Cause as of now we need to rebuild our team!!!! I say tank and stock up if that means trading guys like gill and weber and gionta and camallerri? Go for it cause if molson wants post season rev it wont be done with this flock in head office ots going to be with a bigger, stronger habs philosophy one that can hit and grind and score like the bruins, leafs, sense and southern teams of our new devision. Even buffalo have bigger grinders than we do.

  24. habstrinifan says:

    Just heard the wildest rumour from someone in a very high position in the Leafs front office. Maybe it should be classified as gossip.

    Jerome Iginla will be traded to the Montreal Canadiens in early January and will become the Canadiens captain.

    That’s ALL I have. Maybe I am being played.( like in ‘punked’). I am not connected or anything.. just know this person thru old A. T & T project.

    • Sean Bonjovi says:

      Ask him when Markov’s coming back.

      “If ownership cared about Habs fans, or Habs wins the Habs would play home games in the last two weeks of December”
      – Sean Bonjovi

    • HabFab says:

      That is some good rum in your eggnog there Jameson…hope all is well with your family and you have (along with the Habs) a better 2012!!

    • kholdstare says:

      for who? or was that the part that only got half-baked.

      As well, Brian Burke worked for AT&T? Why would Calgary or Montreal tell the leafs head office of an upcoming trade. Has Ashton Kutcher jumped out of your closet yet?

    • Ferg says:

      Just what we need. Another guy on the decline. Old and small seem to be what this organization covets. Hey, can he speak French?

    • habs001 says:

      this team needs a lot more than an aging iginla who tends to go into slumps like many of our players…unless we give up minimal in return..

    • Steven says:

      Doesn’t sound too bad if we don’t trade someone silly for it(Some were saying Maxpac for Iggy a while back) and if we can handle the the cap we’re taking on.

    • C-Sword says:

      As long as the deal involves Cammy or Gomez, I’m fine with it. I’d still rather they tank and draft the best players available, but they need to change the team’s philosophy first, speed alone does not get you wins, you need size as well, players who hurt and are willing to get hurt to score goals.

    • daveho29 says:

      If that were true, and it’s a big if that would mean Gionta’s gone and Hopefully rejuvenate Cammy, I think he score 39 goals playing with Iggy.

  25. Everlasting1 says:

    There’s a bonafide rookie center for the Leafs – Nazem Kadri – 2Gs in as many games.

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    “For I will go through the land of Egypt on that night, and will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the Gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the LORD.” Exodus 12:12

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    • kholdstare says:

      Once again… this is a habs fansite.

    • HabFab says:

      Nazem Kadri, a life long Hab fan who apparently cried at being drafted by the Laffs.

      • kholdstare says:

        Sorry I didnt realize that was actually Nazem Kadri talking about himself in the third person. Cause thats cool if he is a habs fan telling us about his stats. Otherwise, we are just hearing about some random ex habs fan that got two goals for another team.

        Sidney Crosby lifetime habs fan.

        NHL totals 412 215 357 572 387 62 30 52 82 36

        • HabFab says:

          You must be new…ELO sees all and knows all!
          I was hoping with the recent discovery of his home planet that he would “go home” ;)

          • kholdstare says:

            I am new sorry. What is with his signature? He should change it to Where’s the beef?

          • Habfan10912 says:

            : )

          • HardHabits says:

            According to E1 had the Israelites drafted the Nephelim they would have won the Age of Miracles. However we all know that Jehovah had the whole thing rigged anyways.

          • kholdstare says:

            Thats cool, I can read the book in the drawers of motel rooms too.

            I’m just wondering what the relevancy is.

          • HabFab says:

            Are you familiar with the book Chariot of the Gods?
            Or pop culture, StarTrek’s “Prime Directive”?
            And then you go that away!

          • kholdstare says:

            Right………Are you pushing up nerd glasses as you say these things? I missed that day of AV club so you might have to give me the coles notes on what the hell is going on. I like it, I’m just not keeping up with your uber nerd lingo.

          • HabFab says:

            First time I have ever been called a nerd and since you are being a little sh!t will try to explain using small words.
            The bottom line is that “God” is an “alien race” who interferes with mankind on occasion to direct them towards some purpose.

          • kholdstare says:

            Seriously never? Were you home schooled? Did you have buddies? How many polyhydral dice are in your pocket right now? Seriously though thanks for breaking it down to my level, I got laid in highschool, man I was dumb, I couldve been learning that we are essentially ants in some bully’s ant farm, that likes messing with us. Next Comic Con I’m in dude, I’ll even rent a prius to get us there.

          • HardHabits says:

            I am so in on that road trip.

      • Ferg says:

        Mr. Cherry, please refrain from updating us on your Leafs. This is a Habs site. Share it with your fartcatcher MacLean if you must.

    • Sean Bonjovi says:

      What does “bonafide” mean? In your sentence is it intended to modify the word rookie, or centre?

      “If ownership cared about Habs fans, or Habs wins the Habs would play home games in the last two weeks of December”
      – Sean Bonjovi

  26. HabFab says:

    For those missing Serious’s updates. Here is another bloggers view of our prospects;
    http://habprospects.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=169

    • punkster says:

      Frank, Robert is here doing his thing as usual:
      http://www.allhabs.net/

      ***Subbang Baby!!!***

      • HabFab says:

        Dave, Seasons greeting to you. I am aware of where Robert is but have not been linking him as he pulled his Post from here as a protest. Not much of a protest if others still bring it here. Just my view and glad to see you haven’t pulled out completely too.

        My feelings at the season start was this was the “ifest” team that I could remember and I had no clue how they would do.But hope springs eternal to sports fans, so here is hoping a better result in 2012.

  27. theox_8 says:

    and the pitty party for rc goes on…. He is a big boy, I’m sure no matter what happens he will be ok. People on here are making it out like being a coach in the nhl is the worst thing ever. Oh boy and toronto makes it 3-0 …..

  28. phillyhab says:

    I know it’s just a rumor, but I would totally be behind Carbo coaching again.
    When you look at in retrospect, he was buried under the centennial expectations when frankly we weren’t in too bad of shape. Some of the moves that seemed boneheaded then looked brilliant under Martin (Glen Metropolit on PP, playing Halak, etc.) He also had Chris Higgins humming when he changed his role on the team to a Bob Gainey-style forward. If anything, Laraque and Kovalev were outspoken brats that cost him his job, and since, Martin has shipped out a ton of young talent (SK, Dag, Gui, O’B, Laps) he couldn’t coach for this depleted team we have now.
    It’s ridiculous to think he was fired whens the Habs were 35-24-7 now that we can’t win a game at home or score a power play goal or have more wins than losses.

    Just sayin’.

    • dr. gesundheit says:

      No. We need to move forwards with this organization not backwards. When pining for past mistakes, we’re just chasing our tails. ‘Round and ’round we go.

      • Habfan10912 says:

        Hard for me to seperate the affection I have of guys like Carbo and Gainey because of their playing careers as opposed to the coaching/GM days. So I will refrain from commenting so I don’t look stupid.

  29. HabFab says:

    Not sure if this has been posted. Video on Daniel Pribyl, who has made the Czech Team as an Assistant Captain.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJOWLhdP4eM&t=3m22s

    This makes 5 Habs Prospects at the WJC.

  30. habstrinifan says:

    “Language hawks plan protest!”

    Heard Scotty Bowman on TSN990 while driving in Ottawa around 5:00pm tonight. In a lengthy answer on the language issue, he detailed what SHOULD have been done! I hope PG listened. All this ‘politicking’ would have been done, if at all, against a different backdrop.

    I am absolutely disgusted with HABS stupidity on this issue and feel that Scotty Bowman hit every talking point in his answer. I must also say that his suggestions were along the same line I have been championing all along.

  31. showey47 says:

    Just read the article about the language police planning a protest on jan.7th at a home game. All i can say is what a (deleted) embarassment this is to not only the habs organizatiopn itself but its fans who just want to win regardless of who is running the team. Its idiotic stuff like this that can push us back to the late 90’s when abosolutely nobody wanted to sign with us. Oh no the music is in english and we only have 3 french players,boo (deleted) hoo. Look at how many players are drafted from the Q every year compared to the rest of the leagues. Its no secret the other 2 candian leagues pump out more and better talent then the Q.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      It is a shame that twisted politically motivated people are essentially using a hockey team to push their agenda.

      • Mike D says:

        Amen Brother!

        – Honestly yours

      • showey47 says:

        I wonder if the same (deleted) (<—- i just saved the mods some time and wrote deleted myself) morons would be doing this if RC had won his first 4 games? I've just never seen such a pathetic act of bigotry in my life. These freakin (deleted,deleted,deleted,deleted,deleted) arrogant snapperheads are clueless that thier acts of (deleted,deleted,deleted) stupidity is the kind of thing that can run an organization into the ground. I would love to see molson on live t.v. tell these politicians and media asses to go fuck themselves,in both languages so they won't be insulted.

    • JohnBellyful says:

      Edit: Never mind.

    • twilighthours says:

      (deleted) (deleted) (deleted) (deleted).

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      http://www.wikihow.com/Use-Apostrophes

    • kholdstare says:

      I agree it is sad that a group of people is using a hockey team to further their agenda, but we can’t seem to let it go of it here either. Setting yourself up directly on the other side gives them something to fire back at. I say we all take the high road on this blog and ignore the whole media driven language debate.

      Just a thought, because a lot of people here are giving them the counter point they are after.

    • Clay says:

      Well said Showey.

      __________________________
      “Talent is a gift from God, but you only succeed with hard work. Yvan was proof of that.” – Jean Beliveau.

    • zooziff says:

      The only embarrassment is Pierre Gauthier. Even if Randy Cunneyworth was bilingual, he should never have been inserted as an interim coach to begin with. The whole thing wreaks and in my opinion was a spineless move by Gauthier. I really feel for RC.

      As for the language debate let me add this gem. I grew up in Montreal and moved when I was a teen. Unfortunately I never learned French. The fact that the Canadiens don’t have many French players is irrelevant.

      The key point of contact between the media and fans is the head coach. A majority of the fan base speaks French and wants to hear things in their mother tongue, its good business and common sense. The fact that two Quebecers didn’t see this coming speaks volumes.

    • Mike D says:

      The ironic part is that many francos claim that they represent the vast majority of the team’s fans (I’ve heard some proclaim ludicrous #’s such as 80%), and therefore need to be catered to. Yet actions like this are specifically what prevents this club from making any forward progress. It also is a HUGE turn off to potential FA’s and others who might be able to benefit the club.

      Wake up. Montreal is the 2nd most populated city in a hockey-mad country….pretty sure we’d still sell out all our home games no matter what language the coach spoke, or if we had no franco players on the team. As long as the team was competitive, the people will come in droves and pay the high prices.

      I would love it if Molson, PG (or whoever might eventually replace him), BG, ANYBODY who’s high-ranking in the organization came out and made a statement that:
      1) The team will no longer consider language to be any form of pre-requisite for it’s personnel.
      2) They are committed to winning and that language constraints are counter-productive to that goal – as is ANY factor that limits the talent pool. And
      3) That the team will no longer be a puppet for the french media, a tool for Nationalists, and that the only culture they wish to be a representation of is winning.

      Fat chance of that happening though given Molson’s recent statement which essentially did the opposite while simultaneously cutting RC’s balls off.

      – Honestly yours

      • dr. gesundheit says:

        Agree…’Though I’d like to see Gainey and Gauthier both gone (farther the better).

      • zooziff says:

        While were dispensing with myths let’s get a few things straight. The language, weather, culture, are all secondary factors as to why players avoid Montreal. The primary reason free agents don’t sign is due to higher taxes – plain and simple.

        • Mike D says:

          I too am well aware of the taxes and the deterrent they can be. However, players aren’t refusing to sign here because of them since the team has the option to make up the difference by increasing their salaries to compensate. I realize this puts us at a disadvantage in a cap-world, but the point is we could still attract quality FA’s even with the tax issue.

          – Honestly yours

  32. ed lopaz says:

    I am old enough to have seen gainey break in as a rookie.

    he is a living legend as a hockey PLAYER.

    but there is no way he should be given control of this hockey team YET AGAIN.

    can’t you see that the players Gainey believed in, and the managers Gainey believed in have failed??

    lets move on.

    lets start from scratch with a new approach.

    lets take on some new blood and send a new message to the team and to the fans.

    lets not go backwards

    • sevenman says:

      Ed, don’t bother with the ” please Mr. Molson.” I’m pretty sure the guy isn’t spending any of his time on this blog / site.

    • zooziff says:

      Agreed. I think Geoff Molson’s loyalty to the current administration is his downfall, “business is business is business.” If Geoff Molson doesn’t have the stomach for what’s required he should’ve placed another individual there that is more suited to make tough decisions.

      • Norm0770 says:

        I think Molson is just letting it play out. A good owner/president leaves the hockey operations to the hockey personnel, unlike Larry Tennenbaum in Toronto. Mr Molson has given Gauitier the leway to build a team, and when he fails to produce a winner, as it seems he has, then Molson comes in to do the house cleaning. This should only be done once Mr. Molson has taken his time to find the right GM to build a winner and satisfy the political entities and media.

        Rash moves, paticularly during the season rarely produce good results (see Ronald Corey’s tenure). Gautier will be gone, probably before the trade deadline to prevent and more rash moves to try and save his own skin.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I have no idea anymore Ed who should be the next GM, I am mentally fatigued out trying to figure out logically what the next best step is.

    • dr. gesundheit says:

      +1.0

  33. twilighthours says:

    It’s annoying how so much of my HIO app’s comment page is taken up by Everlasting1’s signature.

    • JohnBellyful says:

      I hear you. That’s why I changed my signature. It used to be:
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      In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
      And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
      And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
      And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
      And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
      And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
      And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
      And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
      And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
      And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
      And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

      Then I realized this wasn’t BIO

  34. Kristopher7 says:

    Moreno looks like a brute pig… kicking defensleess animals and human players on their stomachs, what a useless cretin.

  35. JohnBellyful says:

    :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :):(:) :) :)
    (I hate it when Leaf fans visit the bar after a win)

  36. Psycho29 says:

    The Gazette’s Stu Cowan thinks Guy Carbonneau should be rehired as coach:

    http://www.montrealgazette.com/Habs+should+hire+Carboneau/5905822/story.html

  37. ont fan says:

    Who has room on there roster for 2 players that would be 19 and 20th on there depth chart

    • Sean Bonjovi says:

      If you’re referring to Gill and Moen, they be 1 & 2 on the PK “depth chart” on a lot of teams IMO.

      “If ownership cared about Habs fans, or Habs wins the Habs would play home games in the last two weeks of December”
      – Sean Bonjovi

  38. Sean Bonjovi says:

    If the Canadiens packaged Hal Gill and Travis Moen in a trade what could they get in return.

    “If ownership cared about Habs fans, or Habs wins the Habs would play home games in the last two weeks of December”
    – Sean Bonjovi

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      A handshake and a thank you.

      • Sean Bonjovi says:

        I see Chicago with 102 goals against and a 78% PK and have to think that Gill, and Moen would instantly make them a much better team. You don’t think they’d pay a steep price for that?

        P.S.
        <—— plus Moen looks great in a suit!

        "If ownership cared about Habs fans, or Habs wins the Habs would play home games in the last two weeks of December"
        – Sean Bonjovi

      • Everlasting1 says:

        Perhaps a ‘return to sender’.

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        “For I will go through the land of Egypt on that night, and will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the Gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the LORD.” Exodus 12:12

        “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    • Malreg says:

      Gill is probably worth a 2nd round pick at the trade deadline to a contender. Moen probably a 4th rounder.

  39. ont fan says:

    How many times are we going to blame somebody. Who cares, it doesn’t solve anything and it’s just plain boring.Speculate on the future and give the past a rest already. What’s done is done. Sheesh!

  40. HabFanSince72 says:

    Remember the Flyers last year? They had open warfare between cliques of players. One coach was fired and the new coach instituted alcohol-free days and the players laughed in his face. Then they lost in 4 straight to the Bruins in the playoffs, barely putting up a fight.

    And now look at them.

    Just saying the line between train wreck and good team is very fine.

  41. gerrybell says:

    we stink. i get it. my biggest fear right now is that PG will trade our 2012 first round pick for another massive contract for a 30+ player who has nothing left to prove in order to save his job.

    karberle for spacek was desperate and idiotic. we may have just chosen kabs over georges. not sure why georges would want to resign in this mess anyway.

    fire cunny and hire crawford or bob hartley. just get it over with for crying out loud.

    start the rebuild – dont we have four players in the world jr tourney? that seems like a good start.

    g
    b

    • sevenman says:

      gerry relax, it’s just a hockey team…btw if you stink, take a shower and then go from there

    • podbay says:

      I want no part of Marc Crawford, given his alleged involvement in the Todd Bertuzzi incident that destroyed Steve Moore’s career. Bertuzzi should’ve been banned from the league. If Molson hires Crawford, I’ll put a hold on my 45 years of cheering for the Canadiens until Crawford gets fired.

  42. puck face says:

    what is wrong with these idiots ? Cunneyworth is just filling in until he gets fired at the end of the year and they know very well that during the summer the habs will pick the best ( or worst ) of whatever french coach is out there. but i suppose it’s right to protest in the face of a guy that has done nothing to deserve it. good job (deleted)

  43. Wayne says:

    I see,.. so we’re still in the “anger” stage here. Fair enough. I think some of us should consult a Leaf fan / friend, if there is such a thing, for future emotional conditions of which we are not yet aware of or have been accustomed to. I don’t know if “pity” is a part of it but that’s how I feel for some of these guys. Those of which are TRYING to earn their salary.

    As far as I can see, this is going to be a long road ahead so, in order for us to DEAL, let’s lay off the BS and post constructive notes (not dissertations) on how our boys (coach included), can make it through this. No sense in kicking them while their down… and call me sensitive but, that video turns my stomach. Not because he kicked a person but he kicked a helpless owl. Why didn’t he just pick it up? Right, he’s a soccer player at work.

    Happy Xmas everyone — (how’s that for agnostic)

    • Danno says:

      I agree with you. Senseless cruelty should not be glorified in any way.

      ________________________________________

      “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  44. theox_8 says:

    I like dd as much as the next guy, he always tries his best and does create chances, I just we had enough depth down the middle where he could be a solid third line center with some pp time . Here is to wishful thinking though.

  45. twilighthours says:

    Here’s your laugh of the day: montreal has to send a player to the all-star game.

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    http://www.wikihow.com/Use-Apostrophes

    • deuce6 says:

      I’m sure Price or Cole qualify….That’s about it..

      ——————

      Yes, I’m a Hab fan..Wanna fight about it?

      • Everlasting1 says:

        Why Price? He’s 24th among goalies.

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        “For I will go through the land of Egypt on that night, and will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the Gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the LORD.” Exodus 12:12

        “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

        • sevenman says:

          Why do you use that particular biblical quote…just askin?

          • Da Hema says:

            Perhaps the poster will provide some exegesis on Ezekial 23:19-20: “Yet she became more and more promiscuous as she recalled the days of her youth, when she was a prostitute in Egypt. There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.”

          • Everlasting1 says:

            Just another example that these ‘gods’ are not all they’re cracked out to be.

            ——————————————————————-
            “For I will go through the land of Egypt on that night, and will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the Gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the LORD.” Exodus 12:12

            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

          • Everlasting1 says:

            Da Hema, nice find. Those overlooked/edited books of Ezekiel, Enoch, Noah, Jeremiah, Samuel, Jubilees etc. are often the most revealing/telling.

            ——————————————————————-
            “For I will go through the land of Egypt on that night, and will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the Gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the LORD.” Exodus 12:12

            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

          • Da Hema says:

            The thing is, Everlasting, I might well have been inclined to go to church had ministers been willing to discuss such passages!

          • Everlasting1 says:

            lol the church is relunctant to ‘expose’ the real truths.

            ——————————————————————-
            “For I will go through the land of Egypt on that night, and will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the Gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the LORD.” Exodus 12:12

            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

        • phillyhab says:

          you’re kidding, right?

    • likehoy says:

      we can send michael cammalleri
      certainly that’s a game he can play in.. one that doesn’t involve checking or going to corners.

      – If the NHL was the Wizard of Oz, Cammalleri would be the Cowardly Lion.

    • RGM says:

      May as well be Price in recognition of his 2010-11 campaign and hard work this year.

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      GO HABS GO! 2011-12 is probably not our year!
      Chat with me on Twitter @TheRealRGM81

  46. WindsorHab-10 says:

    All I want for Xmas is a friggin win.

  47. At least last night’s game was really exciting to watch.
    http://www.puckbandits.com

  48. JF says:

    Since Christmas is upon us and brings a welcome break from the sorry spectacle of our Habs losing game after game, I thought I would try to see if I could extract any positives at all from the disaster that has overtaken us.

    If there is a positive, it is this:so complete has been the collapse of the team that it is impossible any longer to cherish the illusion that the Habs are anything but a bad team. We can no longer delude ourselves that we’re only missing a couple of pieces to be a real contender, or that the team is better than its record, or that it’s a good team with the right coach. The Habs are a bad team in every possible way.

    Yet, handled properly, the disaster could present an opportunity for the organization to do a genuine rebuild and eventually become an elite team, a team that could contend every year for the chance to win the Cup, rather than one that is constantly tinkering and patching just to stay in the hunt for one of the last couple of playoff spots.

    A proper rebuild would take several years and would require hard work and patience in scouting, drafting, and developing; above all, it would require the right people controlling the process. I hope Geoff Molson realizes this and will get good advice when it comes to cleaning house and appointing a new GM. I have no idea who the new GM might be, but I hope Molson does not listen to the RDS crew and bring in Serge Savard, who has been away from hockey for twenty years, or Vincent Damphousse, who as far as I know has no relevant credentials. Nor should Bob Gainey and Pierre Gauthier be involved; they’ve done enough damage.

    • sevenman says:

      You mention “patience in scouting, drafting, and developing;” but you forgot patience among fans so you might as well forget it

      • JF says:

        I think the fans would be patient if they thought the team was actually improving. Everything I’ve heard suggests people are tired of the cycle of mediocrity we’ve been mired in for years.

        But for things to change, the team needs to change its philosophy. Every year the goal is to make the playoffs. Management should be thinking longer-term; the goal should be to build a team that is good enough to compete for the Stanley Cup. I think it would be easier for the fans to accept this than for management, since it would probably mean being near the bottom for a couple of years. We need to build the core of the team from players that we’ve developed, which means taking time. Once we start handing out bloated contracts to free agents in an attempt to speed up the process, we’ll be back in the same pattern we’re in now, a pattern which, and I think more fans are realizing this, isn’t going to win us anything.

  49. rhino514 says:

    O.K so cunneyworth has lost four in a row, not five. It doesn´t matter, the team is in freefall. there is no sign it WANTS to win. It isn´t just lsing by a goal anymore like it did before, almost all the time. It is losing decisively. When JM lost five in arow two years ago, the team wasn´t anywhere as deep as this team. This team, on paper, is actually a good hockey team.
    Alot of people here criticize Gainey. The team was terrible before Gainey, competitive during Gainey. the semifinal apearance, though he had stepped down a couple of months earlier, that was still Gainey´s team in essence. And now that he´s gone, look what´s happened; complete instability once again. Well, you can sure say PG has put his personal stamp on the team now.
    Gauthier probably made the Kaberle and JM call under duress and didn´t have the b$lls of stone to not give into the pressure of the fans and stay the course. Earlier this season, last year before the arrival of Wiz, and the year before that, the team had a slump. In each case, the team got out of it.
    Now it won´t because there is no firm plan in place and the coach is a lame duck coach. Way to be patient Gauthier; you ended up listening to too many posters on this site who were yelling “make trades” and “fire the coach” and all of our troubles will be fixed.

    …plus you can kinda tell by listening to him, he´s a nervous guy, not the patient type. Trigger happy when the going gets tough. And did you listen to his reason for the Pearn firing? “Nothing to do with the man personally”…like, duh! The rest of the argument made absolutely no sense; there was no direct line of thought at all. That was the first time I thought “this GM doesn´t inspire me with confidence”. I think he hardly ever speaks publicly because he does not come across as strong, reliable, and reassuring, and I think he knows it.
    I´m so sorry Gainey had to go. Pearn gone, JM gone, one more disastrous contract bought: Montreal is once again an unstable franchise, after it had finally become a stable, competitive team, and respected once again by players

    • The Dude says:

      Too bad we don’t play on paper…..blow this fk’er up,NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • ed lopaz says:

      rhino, Gauthier was Gainey’s right hand man.

      Gauthier was Gainey’s personal choice to take over the team.

      if you are so convinced that Gauthier sucks, the first person you should call to complain about Gauthier:

      Bob Gainey

      Gauthier would NOT be the GM if Gainey did not give him the job

      • kholdstare says:

        ed, gauthier is also not a drone and probably made decisions by himself, otherwise why would he be the GM, I doubt it would be for all the respect he gets from his job.

        I’m not sure where the idea of Bob Gainey being the collective brain for the entire organization comes from. It is starting to sound like you guys believe the illuminati run the habs and they are making them bad on purpose. It’s ridiculous at best, to think that one man wields that much power within an institution as large and storied as the montreal canadiens.

        • ed lopaz says:

          that was not my point.

          the point is simply that Gainey should be held accountable for Gauthier being hired.

          it seems that for some people – like this poster Rhino – Gainey “saved” the franchise from despair,
          and now Gauthier has ruined it again.

          well, the reality is that it is GAINEY who had the last say on whether Gauthier should take over as GM.

          if Gauthier has failed, then Gainey has failed for appointing him to the position.

          • kholdstare says:

            Yes but you could do that all night. I fell, I fell because my shoelace was untied, my shoelace was untied because I was late for work, I was late for work because I was reading posts on HIO, I was reading posts on HIO, because the habs are bad this year, the habs are bad this year because PG is the GM, Pierre Gauthier is GM because Bob Gainey Hired him. Its Bob Gainey’s fault I fell.

            At some point you have to place onus on the actual problem.

          • likehoy says:

            so basically we should blame Jacques Cartier for discovering Quebec in the 1500s and it’s his fault there’s a language dispute for the Montreal Canadiens head coach?

            ever heard of post hoc ergo propter hoc?

            – If the NHL was the Wizard of Oz, Cammalleri would be the Cowardly Lion.

          • kholdstare says:

            Thats my point exactly thanks likehoy

          • kholdstare says:

            At the same time HH when Carey Price becomes a champion he’ll have Bob Gainey to thank, and so will you. Yes he made coaching changes but he put himself in the mess to fix his mistakes. If Bob Gainey had the belief like some in here about Carey Price’s ability and kept Halak, it wouldve been ten times worse. As far as Cammy and Gionta, Bob Gainey managed to sign free agents which no GM for the habs did, because no one wanted to play there. Overspent maybe but he had to.

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      “Way to be patient Gauthier; you ended up listening to too many posters on this site who were yelling “make trades” and “fire the coach” and all of our troubles will be fixed.”

      If you think PG or any of the Habs check in here, you’re sadly mistaken … unless it might be for the occasional belly laugh over our nonsensical musings (note: I include myself).

  50. habinkam says:

    It’s the media circus and these stupid french politicians (i am 100% french before anyone freaks out) who have nothing better to do than stir the pot of a ship hanging over the edge…. It’s not a tragedy or disaster big deal 5 losses life goes on no? And just to prove a point i BLEED red white and blue born and raised in that great city where as i grew that torch flame grew with me.
    My point being…. hold on let me get Carey for this RELAX. we tank the year so what we get a high pick, we play better more hockey to watch this spring even better! So some heads will roll on our roster and in management YOU PEOPLE asked for it. Those hated guys like PG JM gomer gio cammy all of them are probably leaving or being traded. Why is everyone on this site so un happy do you think we will never win again that someone in management wont soon get it right figure out this new young mans game that has seemed to perplex Montreal staff at times. OUR habs will rise again we will hoist lord stanley, with Mr. Price in nets.
    It’s just a bad season guys and while most of you may be jumping off this ship, i’ll be tuning in 3-4 times a week just like i always do to go right down with this ship… Like a True Montreal sports fan does.
    Go Expos!!! hahahaha

    Happy holidays to everyone who makes this site what it is posters and editors alike… Let’s all go hug our kids and remember just how fun hockey is supposed to be.

    • The Dude says:

      AND HOLDING MY BREATH NOW….1…2….3…..4…………..

    • Marc10 says:

      Are you really from France?! Wow! Cause I don’t know any French Canadian or Quebecois who refers to him/herself as French…

      • habinkam says:

        Pardon my grammatical error but is that really all you took from what i had to say… what a small mind you have, have fun at the protest!
        Growing up in NDG i was referred to by my peers, as i referred to them as french. Obviously meaning French Canadian. (common sense not so common anymore) I don’t agree with the term “Quebecois” as we are all Canadian even if the French (***CANADIAN***) population doesn’t always like to admit it.
        Living in British Columbia now people don’t call themselves “British Columbians” but simple Canadian.

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          You’re making Marc10’s point for him. They’re Canadians in BC, well so are all the francophones in Québec. So are you. You’re not French, you’re Canadian. You can go further and specify you’re French Canadian or Québécois if you prefer. But you’re not French. You speak French, your mother tongue is French, but you are not French.

          You may think this is semantics, but it’s important. I’m a French Canadian living in BC as well, and I always correct people who assert that I’m French. I tell them I wasn’t born in France, I was born in Canada, I’m Canadian. Don’t rob me of my identity and nationality.

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          How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?

          http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  51. keepthefaith says:

    Hey dude. Some people also though we’d have our number one D man in the lineup and wouldn’t get hit by injuries again. L o fckin l

  52. Malreg says:

    Tinordi has been named an Alternate Captain for Team USA at the World Juniors.

  53. Chris Higgins says:

    And you guys thought I had no hands? Hardy, har, har!!!

  54. Everlasting1 says:

    So the overwhelming consensus supports Eller as a piece going forward, as DD is undervalued and gets little recognition for his hockey sense and point production. This is clearly based on nothing more than bias and wishful thinking. But I do understand the majority not wanting another diminutive forward. Wish away.

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    “For I will go through the land of Egypt on that night, and will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the Gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the LORD.” Exodus 12:12

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    • VancouverHab says:

      Uhhm…some if us think (strongly believe) that DD is significantly over-rated.

      • Everlasting1 says:

        And some simply ignore the numbers and play-making ability.

        ——————————————————————-
        “For I will go through the land of Egypt on that night, and will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the Gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the LORD.” Exodus 12:12

        “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

        • VancouverHab says:

          Well, I try not to. But DD gets sheltered by easy matchups and by having Cole & MaxPac as longterm linemates. And that line is underproducing horribly, and DD is a appallingly bad — really bad — defensively.

          My belief (which is all it can be) is that if Gomez had those two linemates for the stable length of time trhat DD has had the numbers would be glorious.

          • Everlasting1 says:

            The Habs are in dire need of a new permanent coach. Carpe diem.

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            “For I will go through the land of Egypt on that night, and will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the Gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the LORD.” Exodus 12:12

            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

      • The Dude says:

        Uhhm…some of you thought (strongly believed) the Habs to be one of the best teams starting this year and were significantly under-rated ,lol

        • VancouverHab says:

          That’s a gotcha ;–) But I really think that injuries — absolutely ridiculous man-games lost to injury — have made the difference from success to failure….

    • sevenman says:

      Eller and DD are both, at best, 3rd line players…. I keep of thinking of what the Habs got for Halak and what we could’ve/should’ve had….brutal

  55. The Dude says:

    Just a thought…Iknew this real slack construction crew”bunch of mopey ,whiney ,rejects” and one day the bosses hot daughter took over the wheel and started with an aggressive hands on approach and made all the players look bad.That caused a instant reaction and low and behold all the dudes maned up,’twas something too witness!
    So I would like to nomanate Cassie Campbell and Hailey Wickenhiser as the new coach and G.m ….If you ever wanted to get laid again you wouldn’t bring up the language issue with those two,heh heh heh

  56. 24 Cups says:

    This might eventually make Gary Bettman and the NHLPA take action in terms of the concussion crisis.

    http://www.tsn.ca/nfl/story/?id=383344

  57. doogie says:

    When is the trading deadline? Something like Feb 20th or so? So the key question is, do you want PG making trades and long term decisions for this franchise. Not really, so then the timeline- since we’re effectively at Jan 1st- is with 6 weeks to go before the deck swabbing begins, who’s steering the Good Ship Habitant?

    PG gets released, Canadiens hold a press conference and good ol BG23 is announced as the interim GM for the balance of the trade and draft season or until a complete top to bottom evaluation can take place for GM and Coach. Personally, I would bet my house that PR33 is the new coach by the end of the season.

    And then we’re right back where we didn’t want to be.

    * * * * * * *

    I keep waiting for Shutt-Lafleur- Lemaire to jump over the boards!

  58. Canayens says:

    Did RC sit Eller because he said, after one of the lose, that “it’s the same shit”?

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Did not hear that but if Eller did say that he’d be correct.

    • adam76 says:

      maybe they finally benched him for lack of production – the kid should be in the AHL.

      • TomNickle says:

        Halak should be in the AHL.

        • Everlasting1 says:

          More wishful thinking.

          ——————————————————————-
          “For I will go through the land of Egypt on that night, and will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the Gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the LORD.” Exodus 12:12

          “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

        • adam76 says:

          agree 100%. I was wrong on halak, right on eller – .500. I love how people are still calling him a rookie after all all the games he has played. Its the new NHL – the whole “he’s under 22″ does not work for first round draft picks.

          Kids a bust, takes dumb penalty as in an embarrassment on the faceoff – take the loss and move on.

        • coldness81 says:

          halak has started to turn it around. save percentage is going up and gaa is at 2.37. But i know how it goes. Eller’s point production isn’t great and he has struggled but if i say that people always say, well u can’t look at his stats… but the minute it’s about an ex hab player, it’s look at his stats, he sucks lol.

          i’m not the biggest eller fan but he’s still really young and he deserves time to grow.

          • Everlasting1 says:

            His gaa is better than Price’s atm.

            ——————————————————————-
            “For I will go through the land of Egypt on that night, and will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the Gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the LORD.” Exodus 12:12

            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

      • Everlasting1 says:

        Rushing him like they rushed Price.

        ——————————————————————-
        “For I will go through the land of Egypt on that night, and will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the Gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the LORD.” Exodus 12:12

        “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    • Danno says:

      Eller has this tendency to be brutally honest. When asked if he was surprised that Martin was fired he answered “no” before correcting himself after realizing that would not go over too well. He also dropped an F bomb when describing how the team keeps f#@$&ing up in the third period.

      All these things are true but maybe not the wisest choice of words if you want to avoid being noticed by the coach for the wrong reasons…

      ________________________________________

      “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  59. habs03 says:

    Say what you want about PG, but he hired some really good scouts since taking over. Look at the guys that will be making the jump to Hamilton next season, and hopeful soon the the Habs..
    Tinordi/Ellis/Beaulieu/Pateryn On D,
    Bournival/Gallagher/Kristo up front.

    • TomNickle says:

      I would say that our pro scout deserves equal marks. Doug Gibson that is.

      Wizniewski, Bergeron, Eller, Moore and now Kaberle.

      These acquisitions aren’t Gauthier. He’s deciding on the return to the opposition however.

      • Habfan10912 says:

        PG owns the Gomez deal. That was enough to get him fired.

        • 24 Cups says:

          I don’t mean to nitpick but the Gomez deal is all on Bob Gainey.

          2003 draft miscue > Vinny Part 1 > Sundin > Vinny Part 2 > Gomez

          Mr. Gauthier may have been there as a consultant to Gainey but it’s Bob who made the trade (It’s Christmas so I’m not going to rub in the Gomez brought Cammy/Gionta fallacy).

          • Habfan10912 says:

            Thanks 24 but the story I’ve heard was PG was the scout who recommended the trade but your correct in placing ultimate blame on BG. BTW did u hear the Elliotte Friedman report that Molson is trying to convince Gainey to accept the GM post?

          • 24 Cups says:

            Reply to Habfan10912 below.

            That’s nuts. We all love Bob Gainey and respect the legend who was a Cup winner and captain. We also respect the fact that he stepped into the lurch in ’03 to try and bring some stability. But the results are mixed at best and we are now caught in a shitstorm that Bob is largely responsible for in terms of player and management personnel.

            Gainey has canned two coaches and replaced them both behind the bench without achieving any success. This was done over the course of two, five year plans. He then hit the road without a game plan, just handed the football off to Mr. Gauthier. Gauthier then drops the football and the only answer is to bring back Gainey? Who the hell is going to coach, Martin?

            Sorry, but if we are going to clean house then we truly have to start over. Bring in one of the talented young asst GMs from another team and let him re-work the team as well as the management structure. In a (my!) perfect world, Luongo will falter in the playoffs which means Vigneault gets fired. Presto, we have a new coach who is French speaking to go along with our new GM, Jim Nill.

    • TomNickle says:

      Kristo not looking so hot right now.

      • habs03 says:

        To be honest, I don’t know all that much about prospect, I just read up, and it seems like Kristo has major problem is that he is incontinence. Hopeful turning pro where he plays more games help him find a solution for that.

        • 24 Cups says:

          habs03 – Don’t worry about not knowing much about Hab prospects, hardly anyone on this site does and that includes me. We know what we read and gain from internet research which makes it third hand information. Some of us might ACTUALLY see prospects play if they are in our local area or we catch games on the tube. That’s about it. There are no real experts when it comes to the prospect pool. If drafting them is a crap shoot then so is trying to evaluate them as fans.

        • ABHabsfan says:

          Uhhh, incontinence means he has a tendency to crap his pants, perhaps this is what you meant but perhaps “inconsistant” would fit better. Seems like forever that we have been waiting for Kristo. I think the US college route is the slow train to the Bigs

        • HabFanSince72 says:

          Incontinence is a major problem in a sport played on a pristine white surface.

      • 24 Cups says:

        Tom – As I stated this morning, there are really only three kinds of prospects in my eyes – blue chippers, 50/50’s and long shots. Kristo is a 50/50 type guy.

  60. habs001 says:

    the last 2 years the opposition players on most nights have taken much less punishment playing the habs than vs other teams so they were probably much fresher playing us in the 3rd and able to hand out more punishment…maybe all that punishment has caught up to our small forwards and they just dont have it anymore… what the habs really need is 3 elite forwards to play first line and a much better 4th line…dd would be great on a cup contender as a 3rd line centre….

  61. TommyB says:

    Watching last night’s game, and the seemingly total lack of effort, was no surprise to me. I’ve seen this movie before. The last game heading into a Christmas break, and it’s on the road. Players minds are not on hockey, but instead, many have planes to catch immediately after the game to head home for Christmas. The players just scatter following the game. I remember standing outside the rear entrance of the rink in Buffalo following one of those “last games before Christmas”, waiting for a chance to maybe get an autograph or two with my daughter. There were only about a half dozen Habs boarding the bus. Everyone else had scattered in a parade of limos. The effort on the ice that night was just as lame as what I saw last night, with the same result. Did you notice that the Habs couldn’t get off the ice quick enough when the final whistle blew? These guys are only human, after all.

    The unfortunate, and worrisome, part of it though, is that it marked the fifth loss in a row. What lies ahead after the Holidays? I think there are too many distractions with this club right now, and the coaching change/language thing, surely sits at the top of the distraction heap. I really hope they can get their stuff together in the new year. I’d hate to see them totally give up. I’d like to think some character will show through, and that they are able to press the reset button. At least get back to .500 hockey to make it a bit more interesting. I hate the predictability that this team has become.

  62. Le Jadester says:

    So I come into work today and get peppered by a bunch of buddy co workers (mostly laff fans) who ride me about how much of a gong show the Habs have turned into. One of them even said they’re playing ” some player is having an affair with another players wife/girlfriend hockey ” ? Which makes me wonder if perhaps that’s what has spoiled our room. Obviously I don’ know but they thought it was funny….. carnies. Anyways, it also got me thinking conspiracy theories as to the secrecy behind Gomez and Gionta injuries ?

    Either way, they are a better team then they have shown in the last couple and something has to be up ?

    Still not happy with RC and his decisions so far. He’s made a poor first impression IMO.

    Habs, OLE !

    • TomNickle says:

      I agree with your opinion of Cunneyworth’s first few days. Holding Subban and Eller accountable for uninspired play from the team’s veterans is ridiculous. Following it up with a comment that they need to play better with teammates.

      First of all, sitting them in the press-box one night prior to a holiday break is counter-productive. It’s an early holiday. Second, it’s a move that won’t have the desired effect because they saw a team without them play their worst game of the season.

      You want them to grow up? Do the opposite of your predecessor who threw them under the bus. Time to give them the reigns and see what they do with more responsibility.

  63. New says:

    I think it was a good idea to send JM packing. I don’t think a Saturday morning decision smacks of a plan though. I don’t think this team is in a slump. I think there is something wrong with any team that takes the first two games of a playoff series on the road, returns home and is safely leading the third game only to lose it, and 3 of the next four. Follow that up with a training camp of 2 wins (barely wins) and six losses, a dismal October, lacklustre Nov and suddenly the place where the Habs go to die, “December”, is upon them. This isn’t a slump, it is a style.

    Some fans are right, you can always do a lot worse than Martin. They are doing that now. Players frozen with indecision is fairly new. Before they were wrong, now they are outstandingly wrong! That usually means no one wants to be the goat by covering for the other guy. Laughter from opponents and other barn’s fans is new as well.

    Firing Pearn was strange. Firing Martin without a plan was stranger. The fan reaction to the caretaker coach was bizarre if not psychotic, the media hype was unreal (no wonder other french speaking coaches don’t want to talk to Montreal media), and the player reaction confused.

    And before you think it can’t get any stranger: Campoli was a last minute signing (end Sep 11) after everybody else had passed and Chicago had walked from his arbitration award. He is about -43 career wise. That is why he is always looking bad on the ice, other than leaving the first regular season game with a sudden injury. Yet the Montreal media and some fans have been screaming since the start of the season that “things will be better when Campoli gets back” or “who sits when Campoli gets back?”

    Montreal fans and media in both languages need to see their physicians and have their meds adjusted.

  64. Canayens says:

    Peter Laviolette’s little incident when trying to exit the ice by the home team’s hallway: http://youtu.be/7Bao8sYJGsk

    Was it staged for HBO?

  65. ont fan says:

    Gauthier and Gainey just stopped scoring and their defense has been poor. It seems like those two don’t care.Last night they were invisible. We should trade them for Weber and Suter.

  66. faninCalgary says:

    And forget Luis Moreno. How about Lionel Messi to score a few goals??

  67. faninCalgary says:

    So the team’s in the dumps and we want to have a rally … how do you say idiots in French? Ah, oui, idiots!!!

  68. habitual says:

    Boone, I don’t know whether you are predicting or advocating that Cunnyworth won’t be coaching next year. Either or, the last thing this site needs is the pros becoming wet blankets of despair.

    You’ve posted some good links to music on youtube, and I think you might like this. Merry Christmas, and for F*&(%’s sake, cheer up. There is still alcohol.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee4WvZRkpfM

    If the link doesn’t work, type in Junior Wells, Pretty Woman.

  69. ffenliv says:

    http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/story/2011/12/23/sp-milbury-case-dismissed.html

    All charges against Milbury were dismissed. I imagine any sort of conviction, even it was just community service, would have kept him off the CBC, but this won’t.

    I assume that a stright up dismissal means something was very wrong with either the accusations, or the police work – or both.

  70. RGM says:

    The word accountability has come up a couple times with regards to Eller and Subban getting booted up to the pressbox for hot dog duty last night. It’s interesting that two players that have publicly held themselves accountable for their recent play–listen to Eller’s post-game comments from Saturday (he was livid and drop a couple expletives for the cameras) and Subban’s from Monday (where he acknowledged that he needs to step up)–get banished to the press box while the big dollar veterans that ho-hum and cliche their way through scrums after another sad-sack performance are not held to the same standard. What kind of message does it send to the young guys that they express their outrage and frustration over this losing skid while their older compatriots just take it all in stride and get to keep on playing?

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    • ffenliv says:

      Saying nice words to the media doesn’t actually MAKE you accountable. Just look at Gomez and Cammi. The team can hold you accountable, and this is one way of doing it.

      I wasn’t sure on Eller, but I think Subban could benefit from watching a game or two from up high. Based on the way he has been making insane, turnover-prone plays lately, he might learn a thing or two about how those passes look to everyone else.

      • Strummer says:

        The team however did not benefit.
        This kidd’s a monster in terms of the ice time he eats up.
        Bad move on the coach’s part on the 2nd leg of consecutive-nighter on the road.

        Cut off your nose to spite your face.

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        • ffenliv says:

          The team might not have benefited in that game, but this season is not longer about ‘this one game’. In fact, I’m pretty much on board with the ‘lost season’ crowd, but that’s another story.

          There’s no way to know what the benefit (or drawbacks) of these two being healthy scratches might be. Subban was left out for a few straight games during his rookie year, and came back and played a pretty good year.

          He has had a *brutal* year so far, and has shown evidence of repeating mistakes over and over again (exhibit a: the cutesy pass in the d-zone that ends up behind Price).

          It’s not like the team was playing with zeal and passion before this game. The coach didn’t bench two kids and end a winning streak, or even a break-even streak. He benched them during a losing streak, and the team lost again.

          The real benefit, in my opinion (note: just my opinion, I’m NOT claiming to know the future) is long-term, as part of the learning process for both these guys.

    • TomNickle says:

      I’d like to add to your thought. Benching two young players one night prior to a close to week long Holiday break is quite possibly the dumbest move a coach can make. In what way should they be expected to carry that frustration over to this time next week?

      Bad decision. Perhaps the interim replacement(if this was his call), is in over his head early on.

  71. rhino514 says:

    To those of you who didn´t stop saying Martin had to go: Is this proof enough that Martin wasn´t the problem? Five regulation losses and counting; a feat never ahieved under Martin.
    with JM the club was having some problems, but they were in almost every game of the season; they stayed competitive. I don´t think they ever had two back to back games where the team didn´t show, as has just happened.
    Think about what kind of message the firing sends the players: if you don´t play with 100% effort, we will just fire the coach. So you don´t have to listen to him; if he benches you a couple of times, don´t worry, he´ll be out soon.
    On the other, if you have a PROVEN, COMPETENT coach, the GM and owner can say ” You know what, the coach is going to be around for a few years wether you like it or not, so you better do as he says”. The players know they will have to shape up or ship out.
    JM´s brand of hockey isn´t very exciting and that, along with the injuries and some bad luck in close games and shoot outs, is what got him fired.
    I DO agree that Gauthier needs to go because of the instability he has created once again in the franchise. I understand the pressure (put on him in large part, sadly, by demanding and impatient fans) on him to do something must be enormous, but the truth is, you cannot change for the sake of change. I sincerely believe the team would have got out of the slump fairly soon (if you want to call it a slump; the team had won two out of three since the arrival of Kaberle and hadn´t been in any kind of prolonged since october)There is no way Cunneyworth being put in the position he has been put is going to be good for the club.
    Montreal fans are, in general, very spoiled fans. You didn´t know how good you had it. Guess what? Teams, even good teams, go in slumps for a variety of reasons. Look at Washington last year. Now you are getting a taste of HOW MUCH WORSE it can actually get when you DON´T have an experienced coach behind the bench. Soon enough you will prey for ninety-ninety-five point seasons that you have taken completely for granted for the last few years. And we are talking about a team that played REAL tough in the playoffs.
    But JM coaches boring hockey, so he had to go. His style is outdated etc, etc. Have any of you season the Tampa Bay trap system? Most of the successful teams now use a very defensive responsible system, which isn´t necessarily pretty to watch. And look at Washington; there is ateam that is left to freewheel like many of you would like the players on the habs to do. What happens to the Caps come playoff time? And look at their incredible inconsistency during the season. Can´t you see now that we COULD do alot worse than Martin??

    • HabsFanMTL says:

      your forgetting something, yeah Gauthier has to go but who is really making the decisions behind the scene? Bob Gainey…….if u kick PG out and keep bob gainey there as a special advisor we are spinning our wheels as they say

    • Danno says:

      Martin was solely responsible for a five-game losing streak in October 2009. While Cunneyworth is currently coaching a team on a five-game losing streak, only three of those games are on his watch while two of those losses belong to Martin.

      Edit. Only one of those losses are Martin’s

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    • TomNickle says:

      You’re assuming that Martin was fired because of wins and losses. That’s hardly the case with a team one game over .500 at the time of dismissal.

      He was fired for inconsistency, below average game planning and adjustments and the way he handled the young talent this organization has.

    • RGM says:

      “Five regulation losses and counting; a feat never ahieved under Martin.”

      From the tidbits supplied by Mr. Boone at the top of the page…
      “the fans won’t be off their case after five straight regulation-time losses. That hasn’t happened since October, 2009 – Jacques Martin’s third through seventh games behind the bench.”

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    • 123456 says:

      ummm JM lost 5 in a row – read the intro and RC has lost 4 in a row.

      maybe you make good points as you wrote further but i coudl not get past your first mistake

    • rhino514 says:

      O.K so cunneyworth has lost four in a row, not five. It doesn´t matter, the team is in freefall. there is no sign it WANTS to win. It isn´t just lsing by a goal anymore like it did before, almost all the time. It is losing decisively. When JM lost five in arow two years ago, the team wasn´t anywhere as deep as this team. This team, on paper, is actually a good hockey team.
      Alot of people criticize Gainey. The team was terrible before Gainey, competitive during Gainey, and now that he´s gone, look what´s happened; complete instability once again.
      Gauthier probably made the Kaberle and JM call under duress and didn´t have the b$lls of stone to not give into the pressure of the fans and stay the course. Earlier this season, last year before the arrival of Wiz, and the year before that, the team had a slump. In each case, the team got out of it.
      Now it won´t because there is no firm plan in place and the coach is a lame duck coach. Way to be patient Gauthier; you ended up listening to too many posters on this site who were yelling “make trades” and “fire the coach” and all of our troubles will be fixed.
      …plus you can kinda tell by listening to him, he´s a nervous guy, not the patient type. He´s trigger happy when the going gets tough. And did you listen to his reason for the Pearn firing? “Nothing to do with the man personally”…like, duh! The rest of the argument made absolutely no sense; there was no direct line of thought at all. That was the first time I thought “this GM doesn´t inspire me with confidence”. I think he hardly ever speaks publicly because he does not come across as strong, reliable, and reassuring, and I think he knows it.
      I´m so sorry Gainey had to go. Pearn gone, JM gone, one more disastrous contract bought: Montreal is once again an unstable franchise, after it had finally become a stable, competitive team, and respected once again by players

  72. 123456 says:

    thank you to those that suggested hotels this AM. looks like i will be choosing between Delta Centre Ville and Fairmont The Queen Elizabeth.

    i’ll be looking for more advice next month

  73. theox_8 says:

    If we hadn’t of signed markov to the three year deal, do you think other teams would have locked him up? Im not being critical of it at the moment, just seeing if other people think he would have been signed.

    • RGM says:

      I have often been baffled as to why Gauthier didn’t limit his offer to Markov to a simple, 1-year “show me what you got” $4M contract.

      There has been an ongoing sense of mutual loyalty between the club and the player: the Habs have invested heavily in Markov’s rehab, Markov became a Canadian citizen because he loves Montreal so much, and I think that he would have resisted overtures from other clubs to stay with the Canadiens.

      By giving him 3 times the term that Gorges got (to say nothing of the same $$$ as Markov’s previous contract) I think that Gauthier made a huge mistake that may result in the guy that should have been the captain going elsewhere this summer.

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      • TomNickle says:

        Your last paragraph is all based on Gauthier handling negotiations for the remaining players on the roster. I’m willing to bet that he doesn’t have much authority these days, especially when it comes to contract negotiations.

        • RGM says:

          I would suspect that back in the rosy days of June 2011 (when we were “just a goal away from beating the Champs”) Gauthier had the leverage to do as he saw fit for the club. As with any major roster move he probably needed to get it signed off by Mr. Molson but remember that the situation then was not quite so dire as it is today.

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    • Danno says:

      It was a huge gamble and he lost. A healthy Markov could have been a game-changer and maybe we would having a great season if not for his setback. Instead, it’s become a meltdown.

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    • GrimJim says:

      Yeah, IMO someone would have signed him. Probably for less money than the Habs did, but someone would have taken a chance on him.

    • Bripro says:

      A 2-year deal would have been more than enough.
      And passing the physical should have been part of the deal.
      They pay him a stipend, say $2MM, and a bonus based on how many games he would play.

      • RGM says:

        NHL contracts don’t work that way.

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        • Bripro says:

          Absolutely, they do. Players are paid deferred bonuses based on performance. There are still creative ways of getting around the cap.

          Rule on Performance Bonuses:

          What players may earn in performance bonuses?

          Performance bonuses will only be permissible for the following types of players:

          (1) players on entry-level contracts;

          (2) players signing one-year contracts after returning from long-term injuries (players with 400 or more games who spent 100 or more days on injured reserve in the last year of their most recent contract);

          and (3) senior veteran players who sign a one-year contract after the age of 35.

          Markov falls directly within rule #2.

  74. daveho29 says:

    I wonder if these people planning the protest know the meaning of the words “Xenophobia”, “Discrimination” or “Racism”.
    My guess is not.

    Or the fact that even though most of the players were French Canadian the team was started by an Anglo from Ontario

    • PTH JoKer says:

      Hi,

      I’m french Canadian born from generations of french speaking people. I totally agree with you. I even started a facebook page called ”On s’en fout que Randy Cunneyworth parle pas Français” (We don’t care that Randy doesn’t speak french). I just started it last night but if you guys want to like it you’re welcome to do so.

      French speaking people in Quebec are focusing their energy on the wrong things lately. Protest against corruption, Canada’s removal from the Kyoto agreement, etc.

      Anyways, here’s the page :P

      http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/On-sen-fout-que-Randy-Cunneyworth-parle-pas-Fran%C3%A7ais/313263185370883?notif_t=page_new_likes

      GO HABS GO! (maybe next year..)

    • mount royal says:

      Expalin to me why wanting a bilingual coach (not francophone necessarily); that is, someone who can talk to kids in the hospital, come to community events, and do all the other community things that NHL coaches have to do and do regularly; why asking for that very simple qualification, meets any of the definitions of the words you list. Furthermore, my guess is that your so-called guess is very wrong. Quebecers have known the meaning of these words for over two centuries.

      • ffenliv says:

        Certainly his post was over the top, but here’s my concern: I don’t think it’s at all racist, or language-centric to WANT a coach that speaks the language, but I think it’s beyond foolish to DEMAND it.

      • daveho29 says:

        I do think the coach should speak both languages, but just because he is English and not French shouldn’t disqualify him from the job. He can learn the language. Just like all those Anglo coaches who were behind the bench for 20 stanley cup championships.


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