Armstrong returns to Habs lineup; Moen will be healthy scratch

The Canadiens had 16 players on the ice for their optional morning skate Tuesday in New Jersey as they prepared to face the Devils (7 p.m., TSN-HABS, RDS, TSN Radio 690).

The players who didn’t skate were Brian Gionta, Max Pacioretty, Andrei Markov, Tomas Plekanec, Lars Eller, Francis Bouillon, Brandon Prust, Michael Ryder, David Desharnais and Josh Gorges.

Coach Michel Therrien confirmed after practice that Colby Armstrong will return to the lineup against the Devils, while Travis Moen will be a healthy scratch. Armstrong has been out of the lineup since suffering a knee injury on April 1.

Carey Price will start in goal for the Canadiens.

The slumping Habs, who are in fourth place in the Eastern Conference, have lost four of their last five games. They’ve struggled defensively and in goal, allowing their opponents to score an alarming 23 goals during those four losses.

The game in New Jersey is the first of a three-game road trip to wrap up the regular season, with stops in Winnipeg on Thurday and Toronto on Saturday.

“Honestly, I think the trip comes at a good time for us, where we’ve just had two good practices,” coach Michel Therrien said after practice Monday in Montreal.

The Canadiens (27-13-5) and Boston Bruins (27-12-5) both have 59 points, but the Bruins are ranked first in the Northeast Division and second in the Eastern Conference because they have played one less game. The Bruins visit the Philadelphia Flyers Tuesday night (7:30 p.m., TSN).

The Devils, sitting in 10th place in the Eastern Conference with a 17-18-10 record, have already been eliminated from playoff contention.

To hear what the Devils’ Patrik Elias had to say after their morning skate Tuesday, click here.

To hear what Devils goalie Martin Brodeur had to say, click here.

To hear what Devils coach Peter De Boer had to say, click here.

(Photo by Paul Chiasson/The Canadian Press)

Game Preview, Canadiens vs. Devils, canadiens.com

Habs must stop slide before playoffs, by Brenda Branswell

Canadiens look to rediscover winning ways, NHL.com

Elias wonders if these will be his last three games with Devils, NJ.com

Who’s your Habs cover boy: Subban or Desharnais? by Stu Cowan

Dryden stirs concussion discussion, montrealgazette.com

147 Comments

  1. hab fan in leaf jungle says:

    They should send Moen back to Montreal and bring along some of the Bulldogs they have called up. This guy has let this team down big-time after signing a big new contract. I’d rather lose with guys who are trying hard than with a bunch of Kostitsyns like Moen.

  2. Michael says:

    Today’s English language lesson brought to you by http://www.arbonne.ca/

    “…the Bruins are ranked first in the Northeast Division and second in the Eastern Conference because they have played one less game.”

    should say, “…because they have played one game fewer than the Canadiens.”

    Cheers folks!

  3. filincal says:

    A goal and an assist for “chicken lady” tonight.
    GO HABS!!!

  4. Garbo says:

    Who’s Travis Moen?

  5. byrneoNL says:

    nevermind. moving to live blog thread

  6. B says:

    It is still possible for Winnipeg to finish 3rd. That seeding stuff is bogus.

  7. Kfourn says:

    I think one of the areas that we`re missing Emelin the most is on the penalty kill:

    player/minutes per goal scored against on the PK:

    Emelin 10:25/GA
    Drewiske 9:01/GA
    Markov 8:09/GA
    Gorges 7:32/GA
    Subban 7:29/GA
    Diaz 7:03/GA
    Bouillion 6:53/GA

    Here are the total PK times for each of those players
    Emelin 83:19
    Drewiske 81:05
    Markov 105:58
    Gorges 143:25
    Subban 59:55
    Diaz 42:19
    Bouillion 41:22

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  8. NightRyder says:

    Is that the Dustin Tokarski train I see steaming along in the distance?

  9. Sal from the Hammer says:

    I was hoping that Mt would call up and play Tinordi, and Beaulieu, maybe even Pateryn, for the final week. Rest Markov and Georges, or, Boullion, or both. They are not helping the situation by playing these guys big minutes now, unless Molson has a hard on for the extra home game. Let’s face it, the way things are going now, they will only get two home games any way it shakes out. The final week, and a marathon playoff run is a formula for disaster for these overworked horses. A week or more rest, starting now, for that trio might make the difference.

    • derfab says:

      Yes. Wrong time to sit Moen. Too late. Let the fringe like him, Armstrong, Blunden and some call ups play big minutes the last 3 while the core rests. Sit Moen Game 1 and watch him squirm. Give him one chance if need be later but Don’t play him or anyone else unless they are willing to risk it all for the cup.

      • jctremblay says:

        Moen..I don’t want him rewarded for his complete no show in this season of redemption which has recently gone a tad sour. He’s exactly the type of guy who sucks the air out of a lockerroom. He was supposed to be the anti-Kostitsyn..the all energy, all effort man about the corners and the dirty areas of the rink. He’s softer than a pillow this year. He doesn’t care..or he’s harboring 5 broken ribs or something. Either way, give someone else playoff minutes.

    • JF says:

      I agree. Markov in particular needs a rest. He’s been playing too many minutes the whole season, and it’s really shown the last ten games or so. Perhaps if we win tonight and Price looks to have regained his form, a few guys could be rested against the Jets. A couple of the AHL guys could easily get to Winnipeg in time. Of course, if Price plays the way he did last week, the question is moot. We’ll be gone in four.

    • habs-fan-84 says:

      Markov and the rest of the team are going to have about 4 days off between the last game of the season and the playoffs, if that’s not enough Markov needs to retire.

      Also, for all this talk of a hard compressed schedule it’s almost no different than a normal 82 game season. They’ve generally played: Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays (same as a regular 82 game season).

      I believe they’re only playing something like 1 extra game every 3 weeks. The idea that the players have had to play a tight 48 game schedule is a giant red herring.

  10. SteverenO says:

    Armstrong is definitely an improvement over Moen but not enough of an improvement that his presence alone will “turn the team around” from their recent slump

    Armstrong is slightly better defensively 5 on 5 and on the penalty kill but Moen is pretty good in those areas anyway. As for offensive contribution they are both pretty much useless. The team has score a goal with Armstrong on the ice about every 33 minutes and about every 45 minutes with Moen on the ice. Its a shame that a guy like Prust who’s surprisingly good skills have made a major offensive contribution to any line that he has played with will be wasted playing with either of these two guys.

    I don;t understand why every team feels the need to have a “4th line made up of grinders that couldn’t score 20 goals in a season in the ringuette league. I would like to see, just once, a team with 4 offensive lines made up of fast and skilled players take the ice.

    I can understand if a team feels the need to have some toughness, size, and grit, in their 4th line, but to dress a 4th line made up og guys who don’t hit, can’t fight, rarely score , just because they are “responsible” defensively doesn’t make much sense.

    Assuming that the 4th line scores , and allows, an equal number of goals at the end of the season,why does it matter if that number of goals is 50 versus 15?

    I believe that the first team that drops this notion of the 4th line made up of stone handed grinders will not only be successful, but change the way the game is played.

    I believe that we are starting to see a change in th eway the coaches are looking ta the game. The “old” era the majoorityof coaches tried to get their teams to play “shut down”
    style and a perfect game for them was a 2-0 or 2-1 victory.

    The “new” era (I hope) will have coaches understanding that if they score 4, 5, or 6 goals a game, and have a decent goalie they will rarely lose.

    The one thing I like about Therrien’s style is that our defenseman almost always “pinch” and try to keep the puck in the offensive zone. This style is successful if the forwards are responsible enough to cover up for the more aggressive play by the defense.

    Adding a player like Baulieu and one more speedy puck handling defenseman, to go along with Subban, and giving them the green light to join the rush at all times, would make this team a very exciting team to watch. We should be seeing odd man rushes on a regular basis with one of the attackers being a defenseman.

    regards,

    Steve O.

    • Loonie says:

      Chicago has one. Not to say their fourth line lights up the scoreboard but their fourth line players are skilled. And not Boston skilled, I mean offensively talented.

    • Strummer says:

      If there’s a goal scored every 33 minutes when Armstrong is on the ice as opposed to Moen every 45 minutes- that’s a significant upgrade no?

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      • Loonie says:

        Yes but Armstrong has spent the majority of his time on the ice this year with Eller and Galchenyuk as opposed to Halpern and Dumont.

        This is where the stats above fail.

        • Luke says:

          Hey! You can’t bring context into this!

          Remember, the Habs have never lost a game when I’ve posted on a game day with my Guy Smiley picture.
          (Had to adjust that from never lost since I changed to my Guy Smiley picture).
          Statistically, it’s true.

  11. govenah says:

    The team needs to take this one period at a time. Win period one and then go from there.

    Dont go down 2 goals and we’ll see what happens.

    And rest Markov and Georges, one tonight or and the other on thursday.

  12. Small_Town_Boy says:

    We all know that it is not the size of the dog in the fight. Its the size of fight in the dog!

    The Habs didn’t get where they are this season by fluke. They worked hard & played as a team!

    So if the Habs start playing the way the did for 95% of the season they could do some serious damage.

    Dat’s wha me tinks

    • habs001 says:

      Correct..Enough sample size to show that the Habs are better than what they have shown recently…But on the other hand the Leafs results are said to be a fluke by many posters lol…

  13. thebonscott says:

    Armstrong ain’t much of a player, but if it wakes Moen up, i am all for it, i swear he has been giving 15% all year. We need 100% travis, so wake the fuckkkk up.
    funny story, i know a habs fan who has travis moen as their computer background, so the joke is “shit roger, i don’t think his wife would even have him as a screensaver.”

    Buck the Fruins.

  14. Sal from the Hammer says:

    Bout time he sat Moen, he’s invisible! Colby’s got stone hands, but, at least he wins some puck battles.

    • pmaraw says:

      it’s Sam Stout with the hands of stone, did you see armstrongs 2nd goal? not very stone handed

      • Sal from the Hammer says:

        Colby could have made the difference in game one with the Laffs and his stone hands missed a wide open half of a net! Look I like the guy, but, for what he does, there a a lot of guys that can do better. He is past his best before date. He had to play in the ECHL during the strike, nobody else wanted him! Having said that, prove me wrong Colby, prove me wrong…

  15. pmaraw says:

    Doesn’t even matter if montreal wins another game, they’re in the dance, who cares. even the last game against the leafs, I truly hope the conserve their energy instead of doing what it takes to win what could become a very emotional game.

  16. von says:

    MT waited too long to sit Moen IMO. He’s been invisible for the entire season.

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  17. Loonie says:

    Michel Therrien says Price needs to be the team’s best player.

    Way to put it all on the goalie Michel. Hopefully Price can handle that pressure.

    Pitiful that Therrien just put it all on him.

    • habsfan0 says:

      That’s why they pay CP the big bucks.
      MT didn’t place ALL of the pressure on CP’s shoulders,however.
      He merely indicated that he had to be the team’s BEST player, as is usually the case when discussing any team’s fortunes in regards to their goaltending.

      • Loonie says:

        There’s a big difference between knowing it, the team knowing it, you telling the goalie and saying it to the media.

        This is just another chapter in the Michel Therrien book of I Don’t Know How To Get Out Of A Rut coaching.

        The team has been as bad as Price, the work ethic hasn’t been there from a lot of players, some leaders(Gorges and Markov specifically) and the coaching staff hasn’t made adjustments during or in between games to right the ship. But it’s okay to put it on Price.

        That’s Therrien’s way of saying that if we don’t win it’s because Price wasn’t our best player.

        I don’t see Joel Quenneville say it’s all on Corey Crawford when the Blackhawks are on a losing streak.

        Good coaches don’t put it all on one player, and we disagree as to whether or not he did that.

        • pmaraw says:

          that’s cause Corey Crawford is far and away from chicago’s best player

          • Loonie says:

            In my opinion this is going to go either really well or really poorly. A very desperate move by Therrien in my opinion.

        • habsfan0 says:

          Well, one of the reasons why Joel Quenneville doesn’t say it’s all on Corey Crawford when the Blackhawks are on a losing streak is because the Blackhawks haven’t had a prolonged losing streak this season, and, Quenneville has a viable alternative in nets: Ray Emery. Rightly or wrongly, MT doesn’t believe Peter Budaj is a viable alternative to Carey Price in the way Emery is perceived to be just that to Corey Crawford.

          Every coach is unique in the way he handles his team. I believe that by making the statement he did, Therrien was in essence challenging Price’s competitive spirits,that Price has to play better than he has(Price himself has acknowledged this)in order for the Habs to have any semblance of success in the post season.

          • Storman says:

            “Therrien was in essence challenging Price’s competitive spirits”
            Exactly

          • Loonie says:

            I agree he’s challenging him. But there’s more than one conclusion to draw from a statement and possibly more than one motivating factor for Therrien to make it.

          • Sal from the Hammer says:

            I don’t like when coaches throw their players under the bus. I think it’s the mark of a desparate coach, think of a guy like, Ron Wilson. I don’t think MT is throwing Carrey under the bus here, per se, but, it is pretty close, considering the whole team is struggling. They all need to play better, not just Price. You know, team game yadayada.

          • Loonie says:

            Precautionary bus tossing Sal. If they lose it’s on Price, if they win it’s on Price. It’s all Price. Price, Price, Price, Price.

        • hab fan in leaf jungle says:

          The Blackhawks and Crawford have never gone on a losing streak. He and Emery have been solid shut-down goalies all season long.

    • Say Ash says:

      Indeed, it just riles up the beachball.

    • The Dude says:

      Price has the highest pay on the Habs so what Therrien is stating is fact . Myself, I think Price should be making Gorges money and Gorges should be making about $2 mill per.

      • Loonie says:

        Price isn’t the highest paid player on the team.

        • Luke says:

          But he is the best player!

        • pmaraw says:

          isn’t he? Gomez can’t still count can he?

        • B says:

          Approximate pay this season:
          Markov: (48/82)*$5.75M = $3.365M
          Price: (48/82)*3.5M + $2M bonus = $4.048M

          –Go Habs Go!–

          • Loonie says:

            Still doesn’t make Price the highest paid player.

          • B says:

            OP: “Price has the highest pay on the Habs”. Which player on the Habs has a higher pay? Note that Gomez is not on the Hab’s roster if you are trying to be clever about his buyout.

            –Go Habs Go!–

          • Loonie says:

            Gomez is not only the highest paid player by the Habs but Markov has the highest salary of the players on the team.

            Even if you want to split hairs and say that Price has pocketed more money than Markov this year, putting the team’s fortunes on Price’s shoulders TO THE MEDIA is a desperate move in my opinion.

            And the move of a man who has gone out of his way to single out players to the media yet again in his third tour of duty in the NHL. Perhaps he hasn’t learned as much as he and Bergevin tried so desperately to convince us in his introductory press conference.

          • B says:

            I was simply commenting about which player on the Habs is the highest paid this season. I believe my comment to be correct and thought that some folks may have missed that Price’s bonus makes him the highest paid Hab’s player this season. That’s all.

            –Go Habs Go!–

    • Small_Town_Boy says:

      Carey was the teams best player in the playoffs in 2010 & he can & will do be again!

      Dat’s wha me tinks

    • Luke says:

      Star players get that pressure from coaches all the time. There is an expectation that comes with the role.
      It’s nothing new… in fact it’s actually a vote of confidence when you think about it.
      MT just told Price he is the best player, can handle it and that he has faith in him. Otherwise he’d never have said boo.

      • Loonie says:

        I agree with what you’ve said. But do you really think now is the time to put all of that pressure on Price?

        Also, I think it’s pretty clear the skaters on the team have been playing underwhelming hockey because they clinched. Why give them another excuse to slack off?

        • mount royal says:

          Yes ..this is the best time to put pressure on any player. If they can`t handle the pressure of the playoffs, they will never win and they don`t belong on a winning NHL team.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      I think our best players need to be our best players. Including Price, PK, Markov, Gionta, Pleks and Patches. I tend to agree with you that publicly you can’t name o e player. Torts has been doing that in NY and that team has under performed all season.

    • JF says:

      But he’s right. A starting goaltender faces great pressure, and he has to be able to deal with it. Even if all other aspects of the game are better than they’ve been in the last week, we won’t win if Price plays the way he’s been doing lately. You could argue that Therrien is not so much putting pressure on Price as expressing his confidence in him and challenging him.

  18. habs001 says:

    This is a big game for the Habs and i dont see any reason for the Devils to be motivated for this game…Get early goals on them and the game should be over..

    • Storman says:

      Exactly in these type of games , you do not want to give the Devils a reason to compete, you want to take that reason away score the first 2 goals and you should be able to concentrate and fine tune the shutdown part of your team game… All depends of course on not giving up early bad goals against…

  19. Mick says:

    MT made a bold statement in sitting Moen.
    Will he ever sit ” Little David”???
    Nope!

  20. habs-fan-84 says:

    Awesome!
    Armdog’s the man.

  21. krob1000 says:

    San Jose had only 16 ROW’s and 55 points and is confortable in a playoff spot. The Tampa Bay Lightning have 38 points and also have 16 ROW’s and are currently 3rd last in the league.

  22. liberjon says:

    In Price we trust!

  23. habs001 says:

    One thing to remember with Price that in the past he has shown top level goaltending…He has also shown goaltending that does not give you confidence in him in certain games…In theory Price could be just starting out as a NHL goalie at 25…If that was the case we would give him way more slack…Right now he may be overpaid but i believe you have to go with him based on his age and experience…

  24. Lil Snapper says:

    Welcome back Armstrong

  25. thehammer says:

    Not to look too far forward but This year at the draft should a high pick be taken on a goalie? We don’t have much in the farm.

    • Storman says:

      Besides maybe Zachary Fucale , some good goalies should be availabe for later picks , in the late 2nd round,, or better yet the 3rd round.. A goalie of great interest to me would be Cal Peterson, I have been watching him play since his U18 Young American days in Chicago, same program I first had the privilege to watch a young Alex Galchenyuk perform with in 2009. Cal has played quite well this year for the Waterloo Black Hawks in the USHL , next year he is committed to University of Notre Dame (NCAA), he is a very very athletic goalie, and I would definitely draft him if available with one of our 3rd round picks. Also of interest in the same range would be Philipe Desrosiers, Rimouski of the Q, This week I have been watching him perform online at the U18 World Championships for Canada, Impressing me more and more by the minute, but i would still rate Cal Peterson way above him..

    • Sal from the Hammer says:

      Habs don’t have much in the way of goalies in the pipeline, so ya, better start this year

  26. The Dude says:

    Army ‘s back = The Cup is Ours! Wow,this is a great strain ….way more believability and only half the paranoia :mrgreen:

  27. habs001 says:

    Lol…Noticed on this site that when a goalies gaa or sv% is near the top it is used by posters on this site to support that goalie…but when it is poor it is stated that it does not mean anything…

  28. Davis says:

    To Habs001:

    Yes, and Toronto has been getting the better goaltending . . . if Price can turn things around, then the Habs can beat Toronto, but if not, it may be a short run. I think the Gazette’s sportswriter Todd was right when he said no more excuses for Price – get it together now, or stop with the pretending. Having Prust and Moen rested and healthy will help with the physicial play, and getting the PK going again would be a big plus, but all that won’t matter if we don’t get good goaltending.

  29. Rudy says:

    The Caps-Jets game tonight is going to be crazy!

  30. habs001 says:

    I think the Bruins will go 2-2 and Habs 2-1 and the Habs win the division…If not, good chance of playing the Leafs…Looking at the Leafs forwards roster it is pretty even with the Habs…The series will come down to pk/pp, d performance and goaltending…

  31. AceTen says:

    Flying out of Ottawa to Newark for the game tonight! Sitting 15 rows up for only $40 a ticket in the zone the habs shoot twice! Hoping for a W. GO HABS GO

  32. thehammer says:

    Love to have Armstrong back. All my leaf friends say he’s garbage and useless. Probably because he was playing on their second line and expected to be a player he’s not. He’s a grey role player IMO. Hope he stays healthy for the playoffs along with Prust.

  33. @halifaxhab

    I completely hear you. I played AAA hockey in my youth. I was small but strong and fast. I could hit, and take hits. But in the end after it was all said and done, which league did I end up playing in for the rest of my life? Rec hockey. Why is it fun, because you know you don’t have to look behind your back wondering if this is your last shift on ice ever.

    My son led our team in goals and assists with 37 (18 & 19) in 20 GP. He never went into the corners all season. I don’t like that, that’s not me, but I understand why he plays like that. He’s seen me on the floor, so dizzy I can’t speak or walk. He’s seen me code blue twice in one day in the hospital. He’s seen what hits to the body can do to a man.

    I understand my concussions are the results of sports and a tough infantry career and I understand that I am more severe than most.

    But in the end why chance it for kids who just want to play for fun?

    Thanks for your reply.

    Shane Oliver
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    • halifaxhab says:

      I hear you. I too played AAA in Ontario and am lucky to still be capable of playing. Being an ex-Royal (and thus superior to any prickly ;) ) my kids have seen more than they should too. Thankfully my youngest is only starting so there is time yet for him to be bitten by the hockey bug.

      Let’s not forget that litterally only one in a million play pro and the rest end up as rec hockey beer leaguers just playing for fun, so why should we ruin it?

      I’ve been helping friends here in NS try for the no hit house league. No traction yet. But I can see it coming thanks to the education on concussions.

      PRO PATRIA

      I love Barry Manilow .
      -Scotty Bowman

  34. Timo says:

    Armstrong is a great example that you can never have too many good guys in the room. Dave Stubbs should write a column about him.

  35. habs_54321 says:

    even though armstrong doesn’t bring that much product too the ice i think he has a great character and will lighten the mood up a little for the boys.

  36. Strummer says:

    In my continuing series on why you don’t waste a #5 overall pick on a goalie I present Tim Thomas the 29 year old Finnish league player signed as a free agent by the Bruins

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    • Loonie says:

      Six years as a starting NHL goalie.

      Next year will be Price’s sixth.

      • Strummer says:

        My point is he was a free agent- not a top pick

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        • Loonie says:

          Your point was made to illustrate that goalies shouldn’t be drafted high as well by the looks of the post.

          But what you’re completely disregarding with that opinion is that the Habs can get nearly twenty years out of Price without the worry of having to roll the dice on the free agent market.

          In addition to that, Thomas’ prime years should be perfect illustration and an example that goaltenders don’t peak until around their late twenties.

          So even though we’ve had excellent goaltending from Price through most of his young career, we can expect him to get better.

          • jedimyrmidon says:

            In addition to the intangibles of being able to handle the [immense and often unreasonable] pressure in Montreal where your last save is treated as the summary of your season.

    • jedimyrmidon says:

      Look at who was drafted around Price: Benoit Pouliot at #4, Gilbert Brule at #6, Jack Skille at #7, Devin Setoguchi at #8, Brian Lee at #9… but most like to cherry-pick Anze Kopitar at #11.

      Habs could have done so much worse, it isn’t even funny.

      • Strummer says:

        Again the point is you can find a Stanley Cup winning goalie on the open market without having to waste a top 5 pick. It doesn’t matter who they may have picked with that #5 spot.

        Of the recent Cup winning goalies only Fleury was drafted in the the first round by the team he won the Cup with.

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        • Loonie says:

          And the idea that goalies either do or don’t have a tattoo on their rear ends indicating whether or not they’re Stanley Cup quality is a joke.

        • jedimyrmidon says:

          Sure, it’s possible. But you’re acting like it’s the only way to go, and that, until Price wins a Cup, it will have been a wasted pick by virtue of him being a goalie, which is ridiculous.

          The draft is used to get the BPA and while Carey may not even be the most successful goalie in the 2005 draft, he has sure been a much better value than most of the players picked around him except for maybe Kopitar.

      • adamkennelly says:

        Lets all be perfectly honest – we need to thank the Wild for taking BP at #4 – cause otherwise – we prolly would have drafted him…so – getting Price at #5 is like dodging a bullet and grabbing a pretty good starting goaler for the next 20 years – at the same time.

    • aemarchand11 says:

      so youre complaining about a 5th overall pick, where our alternative was likely to be Gilbert Brule? Give me a break.

      • Strummer says:

        It didn’t have to about Brule or not. That isn’t the issue.
        Goalies are available outside the first round or by trade or free agency- why waste a pick that high on one?

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        • Loonie says:

          When you’re talking about revising the history of a draft with regard to where a goalie should be picked, the players selected around that goalie are relevant whether you like it or not.

        • jedimyrmidon says:

          By ignoring all other players other than goaltenders, you’re basically creating a false environment in which to construct your argument. I’m willing to bet Trevor Timmins and his staff weren’t saying amongst themselves ‘let’s rank prospects in two groups: goalies and everyone else because goalies by default are only worth 2nd-7th rounders’.

          What people here are then arguing is that, if TT followed your faulty reasoning, the Habs probably would have been stuck with a faaaar worse player considering who was drafted in Price’s immediate vicinity.

          Of course, maybe you would have preferred that instead of breaking this false principle of ‘wasting’ a Top 5 pick on a goalie.

          • Strummer says:

            Goalies may also be harder to evaluate as 18 year-olds thereby making them more of a crapshoot for a high pick.

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          • Loonie says:

            Haha.

            That’s the story now? Goalies are harder to evaluate?

      • ont fan says:

        Doug Maclean was sure the Habs would take Brule in the 5th spot. He was going to take Kopitar in the 6th. He blames montreal for him getting fired for taking Price. His scouts begged him to take Brule over Kopitar after the Habs passed on him.

    • Habcouver says:

      Tim Thomas didn’t hit his (brief) stride until when, 35?
      Carey has a few years yet to prove his worth.

      IMO, I’m glad we have a Canadian goalie!

      Waiting patiently for #25

    • habtastic74 says:

      No, I haven’t done any research or anything to back this up so I could be completely wrong…But, from what I’ve noticed there is something to what you’re saying Strummer. Many elite goalies come late in the draft or are even undrafted (Rinne, Lundqvist, Halak, Nabokov, Miller…) Goalies are fairly hard to predict at a young age, so it’s tough to use a high pick on someone who can be so variable.

      But the advantage to using a high pick on a goalie is that they are often ready to go much earlier. They usually have some exceptional quality or school, like especially impressive athleticism for example, that gives them the ability to step into the NHL earlier than some of those late rounders. Price was our playoff goalie as a 20 year old, and Fleury won a Stanley in his early 20s. What late draft pick breaks in that quickly?

      So, in conclusion…If you need a goalie fairly urgently, it may be worth it to go with a high pick. It may be in our best interests, because if Price declines we do not really have anyone waiting to take his place.

  37. Timo says:

    Markov-Weber… THAT is some defense (cough cough) pair.

    • Loonie says:

      Pick your spots better Timo. Weber’s been very good since getting back into the lineup.

      • Timo says:

        Is that so? Was the bar set THAT low for him? And most of this post is actually directed at Markov, not Weber, although I admire him too.

        • Loonie says:

          Since he’s been back in the lineup Weber’s only been on the ice for one opposing goal. That’s saying something considering the amount of goals this team has given up.

    • habtastic74 says:

      Weber is usually fairly nightmarish on the back end, but since returning I think he’s been the second most reliable guy after Subban. That merits at least giving him a shot. It’s not like anything else is working. At worst it ups his TOI stats and makes him a more attractive piece of trade bait this summer.

  38. SPATS says:

    Don’t underestimate the impact ARMY has on this team. A veteran presence and a positive upbeat attitude who keeps em loose. Very much loved by his teammates. Knows his role and allows others to stay quiet and introverted and focused on their game. We will see a different team with ARMY back on the bench.

    OOH AAH – HABS ON THE WARPATH!

  39. Strummer says:

    If indeed Moen is a healthy scratch then I just had a Moen. I feel much better thank you.

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  40. Habfan10912 says:

    Is MT sending a message to his team by benching Moen? Perhaps but I won’t be buying until he starts to take away ice time from DD. Then I’ll know for sure. Wake the boys up!

  41. rogus says:

    Moen a healthy scratch, and Armstrong will be playing with passion after that injury. Excited to see the game tonight!

  42. Psycho29 says:

    On the continuing subject of “I Feel Old”

    Happy 70th birthday Tony Esposito

    http://www.goaliesarchive.com/canadiens/indexesposito.html

  43. GuyDoon says:

    From previous page:
    @Chris and @Un Canadien errant:
    You were talking about Kaberle being “pudgy” after his summer with the cup. Had you seen this?
    http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/chronicles-of-stanley-kaberle-gets-medieval-krejci-cupbomb?urn=nhl,wp9533
    Pretty funny….

  44. sCOTT1243 says:

    Wow, Moen healthy scratch….alot of people are going to be happy about this! Hopefully he can pull a Lars Eller when he comes back and play with a little more heart.

    • Ferg says:

      About time! Just 2 years too late. I know White is having a horrible year but give me his enthusiasm and skating anyday. No room for Moen on this team.

  45. wall2bay says:

    Looking into goin to the game tonight…..any Habs fan in NY/NJ?

  46. jedimyrmidon says:

    This is what the Swarm defense has looked like over the past 5 games:

    http://blogs.thescore.com/nhl/2013/02/05/backhand-shelfs-shortest-systems-analyst-post-ever/

    No wonder Price looks terrible having to make a save on similar scenarios (and not surprisingly, failing).

  47. Mattyleg says:

    Here’s the post I just wrote on my loudmouted Leafs-fan’s Facebook wall:

    “(name witheld to protect Chris’s identity), I find it pretty amazing that you’ve been very quiet about hockey for the past few years, and now, suddenly, as soon as the Leafs are looking more like a hockey team and less like a dumping-ground for the has-beens of the NHL, you are crowing and taking swipes at a team for whom you own season tickets.

    Unfortunately you seem to be fitting the paradigm of the boorish Leaf-Nation fan who hasn’t tasted success for so long they’ve forgotten how to deal with it gracefully.

    Kind of expected more from you, bud.”

    Curious to see how he’ll respond to that!

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  48. Speaking of coaches Jim….Good things happen to good people.

    I was so upset over that team thinking I was trying to belittle them, I don’t think I slept that entire week.

    I wasn’t coaching to win awards I just wanted to make sure the kids remembered our season together.

    I spent the entire season promoting concussion awareness through hockey, and treating these players like they were the in the NHL.

    All these kids in house league just want to do is play, have fun and not have to worry about the other guy who is coming at them.

    At the annual meeting I spoke about no hit house league, the board told me there was no interest. I failed to present properly as I truly believe there is no need for no contact hockey in house league.

    So here I am writing my presentation for the NHLPA, looking for just one endorsement to help me in my quest.

    Stay tuned, and I’ll see you on the ice.

    Shane Oliver
    Twitter @Sholi2000
    http://www.Sholi2000.com
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