Practice updates, video … and some news


The Canadiens were on the ice at 10:30 Wednesday morning.
MIA were  Mike Cammalleri, who was at the Brossard complex for off-ice training, and Jaroslav Spacek.
Hal Gill took the morning off for family reasons.

The news?
Coach Jacques Martin conformed that Andrei Markov is in Florida for an examination by Dr. James Andrews, who performed the defenceman’s most recent knee surgery.

AUDIO (from Flames practice): Alex Tanguay | Craig Hartsburg


Lines: Moen-Plekanec-Cole, Eller-Palushaj-Engqvist, Moen-Gomez-Gionta, Darche-DD-AK46; Diaz-Gorges,  Weber-Emelin

PPs: Kostitsyn-Desharnais-Cole andt Plekanec-Subban at the points;, Pacioretty-Gomez-Gionta and Weber-Diaz

Carey Price is one reg season win from 100.

Aaron Palushaj is leading the stretches at centre ice.

Gill isn’t here, but he’s not injured

Pat Hickey on Habs’ adjustment to injuries

Hickey on Stu Grimson

Jack Todd on Enforcers v. Don Cherry

Red Fisher weighs in on Cherry

The adaptable Yannick Weber

Brendan Gallagher’s five-point night

Kerry Fraser on Ryan Smyth’s big hit

Elliotte Friedman’s 30 Thoughts


  1. Marchand goes knee on knee on Skinner, Skinner is gone to the dressing room.

  2. punkster says:

    Oh Timmy.

    ***Subbang Baby!!!***

  3. stephen says:

    The Flyers look disconcertingly good.

  4. Well the Bruins are still gutless dirtbags, McQuaid and Marchand double team little Jeff Skinner and then run away from Eric Staal.

  5. TOEmastro says:

    It bothers me to no end that TSN doesn’t post all the comments that are written. Even without profanity, My comments don’t get posted even half the time but trolls who rip the Habs at every turn get their tripe up all the time.
    Glad I can get my nerd-rage out over here :)

    Olé, olé, olé oleé

  6. SensFanSpezza says:

    Hey, you guys! There’s your fourth line centre solution. The ‘Yotes have waived Kyle Chipchura. The guy can kill penalties and he can hit and fight. He’ll come cheap, and the Habs can redeem a lost first rounder. It’s perfect.

  7. derfab says:

    As usual, Cherry has made a valid point too forcefully. The players he called out would never have played a full season in the league had they not been tougher than the rest. Is that his fault? Until getting the opportunity to coach, Cherry himself played a very similar role in the minors 45 years ago and, unlike the jealous journalists still out to get him, at least, actually knows of what he speaks.

    • Yeah, he knows a lot about playing AHL hockey in the 1960’s.

    • Ian Cobb says:

      Cherry’s brain is so scrambled and full of himself, he can not see that the game needs change, or more players will be permanently brain damaged and more players will die.

      • VancouverHab says:

        You know, Ian, I think that hits a truth — the part that “he can not see that the game needs to change.”

        Don Cherry has been immersed in a particluar culture-within-a-culture for most of his life. He now pushing 80 years old. It is very hard to change a lifetime of assumptions: especially when (a.) those assumptions were the absolute mainstream of that culture for most of the years and (b.) they are not morally egregious (by which I mean Grapes’ views on hockey hitting aren’t of the “those Jews are running the world” type.)

        Several things in Don’s favour here.
        1.] His money-where-his-mouth-is campaign against hitting from behind.
        2.] His money-where-his-mouth-is campaign against touch icing.
        3.] His public campaign — on C.’s C. & on his videos — against hard-shell equipment and hard rink glass and stanchions.
        4.] Using his videos to feature NHL players giving lessons & segments on safe hitting to reduce injury (this aspect gets too little recognition imho)

        And for me the matter here is that NHL concussions are caused by hits, not by fighting (it seems). As I have said previously, I don’t believe that NHL fighters have a harder physical time or live with more pain — during and after their careers — than the 3rd & 4-th line grinders: who has more game-related pain than Travis “I never met a 90 mph slapshot I didn’t stop or a net I didn’t crash” Moen?

        Not a total defense of Don Cherry, just a very partuclar one of a particular matter. And, again, I think hockey hitting — head shots — are dangerous & harmful.

        • jimjim says:

          Hold on…

          People seemed to have overlooked Cherry saying that the players that committed suicides prior to the three this summer were NOT fighters and no one said a word. Then three fighters with different backgrounds and struggles killed themselves and people, not everyone, say that fighting is the cause. He’s right on that one, give him props on that one.

          Should he have called out Nilan, Grimson and Thompson? No, not one bit and he should apologize for that.

          But he’s right to be angry about the no fighting bandwagon types who take the sad stories then put 1 and 1 together and make 3.

          And I am not for fighting in the NHL.

          Blog :

        • jimjim says:

          Hold on…

          People seemed to have overlooked Cherry saying that the players that committed suicide prior to the three this summer were NOT fighters and no one said a word. Then three fighters with different backgrounds and struggles killed themselves and everyone says that fighting is the cause. He’s right on that one, give him props for that at least.

          Should he have called out Nilan, Grimson and Thompson? No, not one bit and he should apologize for that.

          But he’s right to be angry about the no fighting bandwagon types who take the sad stories then put 1 and 1 together and come to 3.

          And I am not for fighting in the NHL.

          Blog :

    • punkster says:

      Hang on, lemme get a beer. This should be good.

      ***Subbang Baby!!!***

    • HardHabits says:

      It’s not what you say it’s how you say it. Cherry is just another unrepentant bully. He’s like the HIO commentariat member par excellence.

      In fact, if Don Cherry posted comments at HIO he’d be the uber-troll here. He’d be a size and gritter and a goon and an enforcer. He wouldn’t make any distinctions between the two and wouldn’t care to draw any lines in the sand in any of his arguments. All other trolls would bow down to his immensity.

      Don Cherry would be like Habs-Professor, habs_guru, Yours Truly (HH), Xtrahabsfan, Hobie Hanson, VancouverHab, Habitant in Surrey, Yeats and Boone all rolled into one.

      What was my point? F*ck if I know. Oh yeah. Cherry is going to get his account banned soon. Unless he apologizes to Nilan and company.

      Then all will be forgiven and he’ll be just another passionate fan who adores his team and even though he is only marginally cognitive he still comes up with a wonderful gem now and again so everybody keeps on glossing over everything else inane that he says because he’s just so darn colorful and you can’t help but laugh at him.

      Don Cherry. Internet Troll Blue Print.

    • ZepFan2 says:

      A career minor league player shouldn’t be allowed to comment on the NHL. No matter how many Stanley cups they’ve lost. 😉

      Welcome to the newer NHL: The National Headshot League.

    • G-Man says:

      His best before date expired in 1980. Cherry belongs in the past, with the rest of the dodos.

  8. Neutral says:

    I don’t know what the Habs are made of. They’re so easy to injure.

  9. HardHabits says:

    So I take it the new chant is going to be:

    Go re-Habs go!!! Go re-Habs go!!!

  10. Bripro says:

    Holy Crap, nothing going on here.
    Nothing going on on Twitter.
    You guys all suck. I’m going to watch TSN.

  11. Everlasting1 says:

    So according to some astute observer, I’m Italian since I speak highly of D’Agostini. A natural conclusion. With this sound reasoning, most here are black since many praise Subban.
    But I refuse to call out mofo.
    Oops..did it again.

    When the Hebrew scouts investigate the Promised Land of Canaan and return to discourage the other Hebrews from entering it..”We saw the Nephilim there (the descendants of Anak). We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them.” [Numbers 13:33]

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

  12. Everlasting1 says:

    So according to some astute observer, I’m Italian since I speak highly of D’Agostini. A natural conclusion. This sound reasoning reveals that most here are black, as many praise Subban.

    When the Hebrew scouts investigate the Promised Land of Canaan and return to discourage the other Hebrews from entering it..”We saw the Nephilim there (the descendants of Anak). We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them.” [Numbers 13:33]

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

  13. HabFab says:

    Re some of the discussion about putting Markov in the minors below;

    As per CBA; player coming off LTIR with his permission may be assigned to the AHL for a period of 6 days or 3 games for the purpose of seeing if they are ready to play. This is waiver exempt.

    As per just sending him to the minors, he has to clear waivers and when called back up re-waivers in which a team can claim him and the Habs have to cover half his contract while he plays for another team.
    And yes it counts against the Cap. Check out Dallas and Sean Avery today.

  14. Knock Knock says:

    Hello Ladies & Gentlemen…. and everyone else!

    The gf and I are heading up to Montreal tomorrow (from the city of ’67… not Ottawa).
    Where’s a good place to catch the game? Hurley’s, La Cage? We have tickets for Saturday’s game but we’re hoping to make it into downtown before game time tomorrow.

    Thanks in advance,
    Long time reader, first time poster.

  15. caladin says:

    You can get silly figures like that if you include everyone who doesn’t pay any tax, such as children. With a slant like that, and If only considering income tax…. Still seems very low.

  16. solomio says:

    Please accept my apologies for this before I get started however I had nowhere else to go with this.. its not about hockey but I have to post it ’cause I gagged when I read it. This headline from the MSN Home page from a money mag called Money Sense. If anybody is achieving this I’d like to know how:
    “Canadians pay, on average, $6,000 in taxes a year”
    Again,,, sorry !!

    “I figure PG has one or 2 moves left to bring the Habs that extra step closer to perhaps being the best in the league.” – Einstein

    • Seems low considering the average Canadian makes 39-40 grand a year. Must not include provincial, sales or property taxes.

      • solomio says:

        Yes you’re right and I’m sure anybody who is making 40 grand a year is paying a minimum of 35% of that in taxes ( Fed & provincial combined ). Guaranteed.

        “I figure PG has one or 2 moves left to bring the Habs that extra step closer to perhaps being the best in the league.” – Einstein

        • HabFab says:

          Last year $200 bl Federal Income Tax collected from 34 ml Canadians equal about $6,000 per.

        • J_P says:

          According to Ernst and young, a quebec resident earning $40K per year pays $8001 in federal and provincial income tax for an average tax rate of 20%, with a marginal tax rate of 32.53% (which goes up to 38.37%for every dollar from $42K up).

          Of course this taxation amount does not include QPP or EI, nor does it include GST and PST we pay on goods and services with our already taxed dollars.

          • Bripro says:

            According to the fraser institute, the average Canadian enjoys freedom day on June 6th, June 10th for Quebecers. Alberta’s the shortest at May 18th.
            On Tax Freedom Day, the average Canadian family has earned enough money to pay the taxes imposed on it by the three levels of government: federal, provincial, and local.
            In 2011, Canadians will have worked until June 5 to pay the total tax bill imposed on them by all levels of government.

          • punkster says:

            I’m afraid that any discussion of Tax “Freedom” Day is not complete until E1 has chimed in.

            ***Subbang Baby!!!***

        • slamtherimtim says:

          35% , the good old days , when i got a gst check every couple months , if i still pay tax i should still get a check like everyone else , they are all crooks

    • VancouverHab says:

      I pay effectively half of my salary in income tax, and the supererogatory taxes on every purchase I make with what remains puts me well, very well, in excess of that. (Tax Freedom Day — the day when the average Canadian began working for himself instead of the government — was early June, if I remember rightly. )

      I know that because Canada uses the Regressive Tax model, low income earners pay small amounts (but not necessarily low rates) of income tax, so that may be behind the figure you quote.

      DISCLAIMER: none of this is meant as a whinge–I love living in Canada, and wouldn’t want to raise a family anywhere else (well, maybe Australia if I had to ;–)

  17. Neutral says:

    Markov was one of the best D-men in the last decade, but now he’s an unfortunate player on the Habs payroll.

  18. HABSIN09 says:

    I think starting Markov in the AHL is a great idea. Odds are he will play some games there anyway. Players are allowed to be sent down to the minors, waiver free, if they are coming back from injury or if signed mid-season on a “conditioning stint” a la MAB when he came over late.

  19. Feraco says:

    Here is a thought and a feeling.

    a) Markov’s injury –

    Markov injuries knee and has surgery.
    Rushes recover and is reinjured.
    Has corrective surgery.
    Off season training of training “too hard” which is possible but still not a good sign.
    Minimul playing time in 2 seasons.

    He is one of the top 10 D man in the league, but I think it would still be difficult to get into game form.

    How will he know he is fully recoved? Practice? Game time? Monitor minutes?

    Here is an out of the box idea:

    He is ready to return midseason when teams are battling for the playoffs and in game shape. He enters line up…probably not the best time to try a repaired knee.


    Start him in the AHL until he can play. He is signed for 3 years, have him take this year off worse case scenario.

    Molson Ex mon ami

  20. HabFarmer says:

    Bring veteran leadership and savvy to a young team gutted by the NHL when it joined the league? (edit: in response to Burlie below – short answer, I really liked Savard)…… .

    “No, I see. The monkey’s out of the bottle now!”

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Do you remember the game he played for jets time was running out he did a savardian spinorama at blue line pumped the shot in net jets win, jets win! He was neat to have on the Jets, but he was no longer the Savard we watched in Mtl, of course teammates were a bit different.

  21. Habitoban says:

    That’s right Marky. Chillax… put your feet up. But why that foot! Why!!

  22. Neutral says:

    markov has Bobby orr knees and we know what happened to him

  23. SeriousFan09 says:

    Jonathan Blum is a highly rated defensive prospect with the Nashville Predators for the person inquiring. He was up with the team last year and is starting with them this year. Rated in the Top 50 prospects at Hockey’s Future.

  24. bleedhabs81 says:

    I just read the piece on Gallagher. As much as I hope he is awesome here is the a stat that makes me think otherwise.

    He is set to break
    Adam Courchaine and Jon Blum’s records

    uh…. who?

  25. JF says:

    RDS has a somewhat alarmist piece about Markov. They ask whether his recuperation might have taken a step backwards, saying that he hasn’t been seen skating since the team left Collingwood a week ago. The piece affirms nothing, simply asks the question, but it certainly left me with a bad feeling about the whole business. I wish the team would come out and say what the situation is.

  26. Leucotome says:

    What’s with the double-barrelled questions in the poll?

    What if I want Don Cherry out, but Coach’s Corner to remain?

  27. 23 HABS 23 says:

    Why is Moen on a scoring line ahead of AK 46?!!!! That is ridiculous! You do not need to control AK 46 … you need to unleash him! Big forward with hitting power and a GREAT shot – with a quick / sweet release! J.M. has to swallow his pride and play him – let him be the impact player he can be!

    GO HABS GO! (Let’s go get that elusive 25th Stanley Cup!)

    • Mattyleg says:

      I think Moener’s there to add ‘grit’ to the first line.
      Like Whatsisname did for Gretzky.
      And what Nilan did for Carbo and Gainey (wasn’t 1st line, I know).

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • shiram says:

        I’ve read what Jm had said about that, and I still give it a resounding meh.
        What’s depth good for if you can’t use it when injuries occur?
        Why get power forwards if you don’t use them on scoring lines?
        What about having a gritty 4th line, Palush/Engqvy and Eller don’t make for the best sandpaper line.
        Meh I say.

        If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

        • Mattyleg says:

          Yeah, I don’t agree with this ‘hierarchical hockey line’ template.
          When did this whole ‘1st line, 2nd line’ thing come in?
          Late 90s, I imagine, when I was away. Because I’d never heard hockey referred to in that way before that.
          I found it confusing and counter-intuitive when I learned about it.
          Just play your good players when and where you need them, and for the reasons that make them good.

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • shiram says:

            I think I’d prefer Darche with Pleks… Must be all part of The System™

            If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      I agree. I wish Martin and Gauthier would get together and assemble accomplish the following.

      1st Line – Offense!
      2nd Line – Offense!
      3rd Line – Offense/ Defensive Minded
      4th Line – Checking/Energy/Defensive Minded

      1st two lines should be all offense!
      3rd line should be a combination of offense with the ability to shut down good players from other teams.

      4th line should consist of guys who can create energy by trapping and hitting teams in their own and and guys who drop the gloves.

    • DearyLeary says:

      The problem with Kostitsyn is that while he possesses some great skills, he has little to no awareness. How many times do you see him pass to open ice? I lose count every game.

      I like him with Eller because Eller plays a very efficient game with the puck, and he’s starting to distribute well. Pleks plays a speed game that just doesn’t mesh well with Andrei’s. I don’t want to mess with Gomez’s line, I like him a lot with Patches and Gionta. And even though I find Kostitsyn to be frustrating, he shouldn’t be buried on a 4th line to only play 5 minutes.

      • G-Man says:

        AK will be fine on the 3rd line with Eller and DD. He should see some 2nd wave power play time, as well. He’ll never be that 35-40 goal scorer simply because he has no 1-timer. He always has to cradle the puck and by then, against good goaltending, it’s too late.

        • AK_PK_Usay says:

          Good analysis, i completely concur, AK has a powerfull precise shot, BUT release is SLOW, vs Cammy which has a quick release.

          I also agree when AK fits best with Eller because their styles dont collide. Unlike with Plexxx which plays a great 2 way style that AK can’t keep up with.

          Now that i think about it, all the times we see AK show us those flashes of brilliance is when we have puck possession in the Ozone with decent control, which doesn’t happen too often.

      • mamacat says:

        good analysis.

      • Mattyleg says:

        I think in an ideal situation, the fourth line would play nearly equal minutes to the other lines.
        This isn’t an ‘enforcer’ line. All players are capable of putting the puck in the net.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • PrimeTime says:

      Plays like a bull and has a hockey IQ of a bull. AK doesnt work play well against better D pairings. Moen a better forechecker.

  28. Neutral says:

    If Moen comes through on the 1st line the other three lines look pretty good. I like the 3rd and 4th line they could score some points.

  29. Mattyleg says:

    I can’t listen to Cammy’s interview (in a library, no headphones).
    Can someone sum up what he’s saying for me pleeze?

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Kooch7800 says:

      “I’m Injured. Cut my leg. Out two weeks. Hope to be back sooner”

      I haven’t listened to it but I bet that sums it up

      • Mattyleg says:

        I was expecting more “Y’know, I wasn’t really sure if I liked pistachio or not, but then I, like, ordered a bowl of it at a restaurant the other night… what was it called…? I don’t remember, something Pie-tie, or Choo-foo or something, anyway, and I really liked it, y’know? Maybe they, like, mixed it with coconut or something, because I really like coconut -makes me think of summer- (daiquiris!!) so I guess, I dunno, I guess I’m kind of back on the pistachio thing, y’know?”
        That’s what I thought, anyway.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • Kooch7800 says:

          lol too funny. I just find all hockey interviews are exactly the same. Same cliche’s all the time and talk without saying anything. JM is a pro at it.

          Man I hope Cammy gets back quick. 3 skate cuts in 4 years -Lang, Markov and now cammy

          • Mattyleg says:

            Yeah, it’s freakin’ weird, innit?
            That Montreal guy who sold the Habs Kevlar socks should go into business putting Kevlar threads through the hockey socks. Especially where there isn’t padding (back and top)

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • Say Ash says:

            You forgot:


  30. FSLN says:

    Hey fellow Habs fans!

    So I have four tickets in the Reds (section 109) for Saturday’s game against the Avalanche. Unfortunately my girlfriend has an unbreakable conflict so I’m hoping against hope someone might have four tickets to another game and want to trade?

    If so please let me know!


  31. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    Is the fact that Markov is meeting with Dr. Andrews good, bad or ambiguous news?

  32. zaq007 says:

    So Kyle Chip is on waivers… 😛

  33. JFriedman says:

    I’m tired of these injuries…

  34. habs11s says:

    JR… saying what everyone is thinking


    “How would you like a job where when you made a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?” -Jacques Plante

    • TommyB says:

      That’s what I like about JR, he says what he is thinking. Now, that doesn’t make it what everybody is thinking. It is only natural that most fans want to know when Crosby will return, but the press and other media just don’t know when to look for another story. Imagine being Crosby and having those same questions asked of you on a daily basis. To his credit, Crosby has handled it all very well. But you have to think he is thinking “jeezus doc, get me in the lineup. I can’t take these dumbass questions any longer”.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      He makes a good point with all the constant questions regarding Crosby’s health. Thank goodness we aren’t like that with our players.

      Anyone have an update on Markov? What about Campoli? anyone….anyone…

      • shiram says:

        Markov’s meeting his doctor in FLA, but you knew that already.

        If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

      • markov had a steak for lunch. medium rare i believe, with mashed potatoes at Shula’s Steak House. went on record saying “i would have prefered a poutine but they don’t serve these here”. for Campoli, not sure, but i bet it was pasta! 😀

        double-kick, tom, and high-hat

  35. Jordio-oh says:

    I have big, bad, Bruin Nathan Horton in my hockey pool this year (14th round) and its worth noting that in 3 games he not only has zero points, but he has zero hits(!) and only one shot on goal. Considering my Habs affiliations, but also that he is my third best right winger (of 5), I am conflicted as to whether or not I think his lack of production is good or bad.

    **Note: I’m well aware it is only 3 games into the season, but I figured a big, mean, gritty Bruin such as himself would at least have one single body check, concussion aside.

  36. habs11s says:

    I’m wondering what everyone thinks about putting someone like Gill or Emelin on the powerplay for a net presence… cause unfortunately DD, Gio, Cammi or Gomez are not the answer for a net presence….


    “How would you like a job where when you made a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?” -Jacques Plante

    • shiram says:

      Rather have Akost, MaxPac or Cole as the net presence.

      If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

      • habs11s says:

        I’ll take MaxPac or Cole, but although I’m a huge fan of AK46, i don’t think he has the battle in him to fight in front of the net…
        “How would you like a job where when you made a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?” -Jacques Plante

    • Matt. says:

      Not good, i’d take any of our other forwards, Preferably Cole, MaxPac….

      Gill in front on the powerplay??!

      • jimjim says:

        I agree, maxpac and cole in front of the net. DD had good hockey savvy and I like him where is on PP right now….I’m sure that the PP will click. Let’s hope the JM has enough patience.

        on twitter: @worldofjimjim
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    • sauster says:

      As a net presence, you want somebody big that can hold his own. But you also want somebody very agile with the puck that can jump on a rebound or loose puck and put it in.
      So in my opinion, MaxPac or Cole would be better suited for this role.
      Recalling hockey records daily and taking an in-depth look at what they mean for the game of hockey.

    • Bripro says:

      You know, you might have something there.
      Chara is planted in front of the net sometimes….I”d even say often.
      They just shift positions and put Lucic or Krejci back.
      Since JM is using Pleks on D on the PP anyway (like all those acronyms?), just have Pleks and Gill interchange, and see if Gill can anchor himself in front of their goalie. I’d give it a shot.

  37. shiram says:

    If the Habs fail to make the playoffs, could we see some changes behind the bench or upstairs?
    jlgib21 suggested it, and I’m curious to know what others think.

    If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

    • slamtherimtim says:

      It’s a given , this is their last year to prove everyone right or wrong , as it stands this is still Gaineys team, not much has changed to the core of the team since PG came over , Cole is the biggest signing and we still have to wait and see if that works out , i believe Bob will be stepping back into the picture even if it is the short term when it does happen ,


    • If the Habs miss the playoffs with the team they have assembled, excusing the possibility of Price and Subban both being injured, Martin would be fired. No doubt in my mind. It’s pretty clear by Gauthier’s actions leading up to the season that he expects the team to take a step forward.

    • Chorske says:

      I think that depends. If the Habs miss out by one point, no changes. If the Habs are no longer contenders in March (*spits on ground*), I wouldn’t be surprised to see a shakeup- but not at the coaching or GM level. It would take a major collapse to put JMs job at risk- and I believe that PGs job is ironclad. He is the Molsons’ man.

      • shiram says:

        I too think that JM and PG’s job are secure. With only 10 players signed for next year another team shakeup could be coming…

        If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I would hope he is fired if this team fails to make the playoffs.

  38. GuyDoon says:

    Hi all. Haven’t posted in a while. Had nothing meaningful to say, I guess. This isn’t Habs related. I was reading an article in the LA Times about Calvillo’s career where the reporter wrote this:
    “Calvillo is barely 6 feet 1, 200 pounds, …”
    I had to read it twice to notice that he mean 6 feet 1 and 200 pounds, ’cause it looks like 6 feet 1200 pounds!
    Anyway, it made me laugh.,0,4685376,full.column

  39. Vladdy Mondavi says:

    On the topic of realignment, I just finished reading Bob McKenzie’s column:
    I like the idea of 4 divisions and the 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3 playoff format. I’d like to address the teams’ perceived issues the odds of 7 teams fighting for 4 playoff spots vs. 8 teams fighting for 4 spots.
    In the current format, as Mr. Gainey summarized, there are 15 teams fighting for 6 spots (because there are two spots that each team cannot attain).
    Now, I’m no mathematician but I’ll take the 8 teams fighting for 4 spots over the current probabilities.

    • Bripro says:

      That’s a good read. Thanks for posting it.
      I don’t see why the NHL wouldn’t take a look at 3 divisions of 10 teams.
      It would be far better balanced for most teams in terms of travel and time zones, increased TV exposure.

  40. Chester says:

    HEY !!!
    We haven’t heard from The National Embarrassment all day.
    How refreshing is that ?
    I think somebody should start a ” Can The Sherry ” movement and a “get rid of Crotches Corner” as well, mainly to avoid having Sherry replaced by Milbury. It’s like the CeeBeeCee thinks that what Beaners has to say counts for anything.

  41. sane hockey fan says:

    Friggin’ Google…I but a paragraph written in french with the word Tricolore into Google Translate and it translates it to the word Habs…man they are good!!

  42. JD_ says:

    With regards to the thread on kids and organized sports, there is no question that almost every major sport has developed elite, highly competitive leagues well down into younger age groups. In the case of Montreal/Quebec/Canada, it wasn’t even remotely like this when I was a wee lad.

    And the elite teams conduct themselves very much like pro leagues. You eat what you kill.

    My 15 year-old son plays AAA soccer. The coach receives a salary. An effin’ salary. It’s that over-the-top.

    Games, practices, and conditionin’ are full-time, seven days a week. Diet is monitored. It’s fun in a ridiculous kinda way.

    Teams play to win. Period. If you aren’t carryin’ your weight, you sit, game in and game out. The rest is considered fluff.

    There is one key to all this. As a parent, you have to have open communication channels with your kid. He or she ultimately has to be the one who wants to participate and you have to ensure it is for the right reasons. If the child isn’t havin’ fun, then it is your responsibility to fix it. In that respect, that is why there are less competitive and intense arenas of play, all the way down to house league.

    Part of this is also recognizin’ abusive and/or unprofessional behaviour by coaches when you see it. Always act in concert with the other parents; if you’re goin’ it alone with the coach, you’re probably just one of those parents. And it works. For whatever reason, I was volunteered to fire my son’s coach earlier this season. The parents came together, I took it to the league, and he was summarily toasted. Absolutely br00tal mess he was.

    In other words, any kid can participate and have fun, it is just a question of findin’ the best fit for them.

    Perhaps ironically, a younger kid’s motives are more difficult to discern. Talk to your kids. All the effin’ time.

    Remember: There are no bad kids, only bad parents.

    Sean Avery, excepted.


    Gotta love Sean “Herpes” Avery’s knack for flarin’ up on everythin’ that has anythin’ at all to do with him. As Hickey notes, Sean’s demotion to the AHL has pushed Dallas below the cap floor.

    This just in: Brett Hull has been wedgied. Reports suggest it may have reached full nuclear status.

    A bettin’ man mortgages everythin’ on Dan Chestnut capitulatin’ the next time he is on the air. Big time. FullPlaid™.

    How do I know this? Word out of Churnem, Burnem, & Fry is that the plaintiffs will be introducin’ this into evidence on the first day of litigation. Sweet Jeebus on a unicycle, my eyes are fillin’ with blood and my testes have shingles. Chestnut doesn’t stand a chance after that.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      After clicking on the link, I am not sure I will be the same again. How in the heck did you find that?

    • Bripro says:

      @JD, I was going to congratulate you on your fine comment on kids, and then you went and spoiled it with that wall-paper-dressed idiot!
      But seriously, I’m in total agreement with you pertaining to the kids.
      I was soccer division director for 4 years, coached for 7, was league director in hockey for one year and coached (or co-coached) for 5.
      Just to say that I was very involved with both my son and daughter’s play.
      There are several factors that parents of children who play don’t stop to consider. I was a volunteer, as were the other coaches and directors. We weren’t pros, even if most of us had played at a semi-decent level, or better.
      Coaches are human and make mistakes. You wouldn’t believe (or maybe you would) the politics from parents, or language partisans.
      I’m bilingual, and communication was always clear, and I was sometimes on the receiving end of verbal abuse, because there weren’t enough french/english kids on the team, his / her kid
      hadn’t played enough (I had one father come to the rink with a stop-watch…I swear), or the team “lacked organization”.
      My reaction?
      Here’s the pad, here’s the bag, the pucks (balls), the whistle, and the title. There you go! You do it! Now you’ll coach my son, and I’ll be keeping an eye on you.
      It’s thankless, and parents should remember what you mentioned about having fun.
      My kids didn’t always win because I chose equality over talent. As much as possible, everyone played the same, and I hope that’s what they’ll remember as they grow up, learning life’s lessons.

    • Chrisadiens says:

      Oh. My. Gawd. I wish I could erase that vid from my memory.

      Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

  43. secretdragonfly says:

    Kyle Chipchura placed on waivers by Phoenix – poor guy, I always had a soft spot for Chippy; he had real promise way back when.

  44. C_exacte says:

    If there’s something weird,
    with Moen playing on 2 lines,
    and it don’t look good,
    who you gonna call? Pierre Gauthier
    I ain’t afraid of no ghost

  45. Bripro says:

    Can someone clarify for me? I might have misread Elliott Friedman’s take:

    “After Washington lost to Pittsburgh in 2009, I bet someone The Great 8 would win a Stanley Cup by 2013. I’m still confident.”

    After the Caps lost ……what, when? They didn’t even meet in the playoffs? Am I the one who’s missing something?
    Did our Fab Habs not trash the Caps? and the Penguins?

  46. Bash says:

    Slow day so consider this…

    My niece’s son plays competitive football in Florida. She was a little freaked out by the intensity of the workouts in August especially because water breaks were only at the discretion of the coach. But, the kid worked hard, followed the off pitch training guidelines, followed the diet guidelines and ultimately made the team. There was a fancy “home coming” opener with cheerleaders and the whole nine yards (ex pun). But when it was all said and done the kid played only 3.5 minutes. The coach made it clear from the outset that this was a competitive league and only the top players would play a lot. So now the kid might quit.
    Oh yeah…he is eight years old!

    “If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.” (anon)

    • Malreg says:

      As a hockey coach, it always pains me to read the things that football coaches get away with.

      In hockey, you’ll have parents who sit in the stands with stop-watches to make sure that their kid gets the exact same ice-time, to the second, as everyone else. In Football, the coach can play whoever he wants as much as he wants.

      My nephew plays football and he’s a receiver. He’s on the field for almost every play this season, but when he first started, he would go several games without touching the field. They could be up by 3 touchdown’s in the 4th quarter and it would still be the same players on the field.

      On several occasions I’ve seen a football coach grab a kid by the facemask, yell at him for making a mistake, and literally throw the kid onto the bench, and no one says a thing. All of this was with kids 14 years old or younger. In hockey, if you even raise your voice at a kid you’ve got problems with the parents.

      • Rugger says:

        He should take up Rugby, everyone plays same amount in kid’s leagues. Once in College and Adult leagues, there are usually A and B games so again everyone (even old fogey’s like me) get a whole game.

    • shiram says:

      I remember when playing a sport was about having fun, experiencing and developping team work and a good work out.
      I think kids should be encouraged to play, and that does not seem to be the case anymore.

      If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

    • Chorske says:

      This is an awful hard lesson to be laying on someone as young as 8.

      We’re in Fort Lauderdale, and I have stood watching kids in black uniforms and black helmets practice intensively for two hours in the sun. You can’t believe the heat that these kids play in. And what’s worse is that sweating is completely ineffective at this humidity level, so there is little way these kids can cool down. It’s a wonder more of them don’t keel over.

      • G-Man says:

        The parents of those little kids in black helmets must have had their brains already fried. 2 hour “intensive practice” in the sun is completely moronic.

    • Braidan says:

      My son plays football in a league here and I have been told by a few of the coaches that he is top 3 on the team as far as tacklers go.
      Yet oddly enough he plays as a blocker on the O-line. The problem is that with 8 coaches on the team and all their kids starting it is hard for any other kids to break the lineup.
      The HC wanted my son on D, but the D coach didn’t want to upset one of his coaches by having to remove one of the coaches kids from D, so bottom line the coaches kids play and the others rotate in.

    • Chris says:

      That’s insane.

      I got into coaching (soccer in my case) because I couldn’t stand all the jerk coaches I had to endure as a kid. We all know the types: their kids and their kids’ friends were going to play 75% of the time, and everybody else was fighting for the 25% scraps.

      I had a firm rule on playing time (all the kids were equal time, as we were 8-10 year old house league) with the caveat that any kids who wanted to were encouraged to go to the optional night where talented kids could play against one another with coaching from the league’s head coach in preparation for rep team tryouts.

      Yet every year, a couple of parents would approach me and suggest/tell me in a polite/berating/condescending way that THEIR kid should be on the field more if the team had any hope of winning.

      To which I would always reply that I didn’t frankly care if they won or lost, so long as they had fun. And my job as coach was to make sure that all the kids had fun the whole time. And I was usually successful at it.

      As for football, that is the one sport where you see the most egregious playing time disparities. Ah well…I strongly suspect that that sport will no longer be viable for much longer with all the head trauma information we are gaining.

  47. Feraco says:

    I got that crash the net muscle and jam right here!!
    (Please refer to Chris F’s comment below!)

    Love the Habs. The team, the players, the skill, the youth, the fans and the goaler.

    But watching them trying to get to the net pains me. Watching them get pushed around after the whistle pains me. Seeing Gomez’s face when he got pushed into the boards by Schenn pains me!!! Gionta came flying in but what is Gomez to do? I likes to get chippy and talk but you need some back up…he doesnt have to be 6’5 but a couple of guys on his line to come and give him some space. Which is why Moen is on the top line. He will go to the net and wont get pushed around after the whistle.

    Example Toronto, Boston. Its a game of pressure and “owning the ice” When the creese is controlled you can control your zone, and go forward. Montreal has 0 net presence, lots of skill and point shots, but you need some bangers to get garbage goals or some D men who can pound a guy who crashes Carey! Hes our all star for dam sakes!!! I saw him trying to go after a guy! Unacceptable!
    Again love the habs, but hate to see guys getting pushed around and laughed at.

    Molson Ex mon ami

  48. joeybarrie says:

    I have noticed a few posts on here about the Gazette limiting the amount of articles you can read. A trick I use is to click on stop just before it is finished loading that way the window doesn’t pop up. But the article is there… Hope this helps some.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  49. Mattyleg says:

    So I was pretty happy watching Gomez the past few nights.

    He’s actually shooting the puck! From different places on the ice!
    And he doesn’t seem to be skating in on the left wing, and stopping there. If he can actually stay in the centre area of the other team’s zone, rather than being another winger, he’ll have many more chances.

    I’m happy we didn’t trade him for Colton Orr or send him to Hamilton.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • shiram says:

      Never too late to send to Hamilton, if the need arises.
      But yea he has been doing good, and if he keeps it up could have a normal Gomez season, something around 12g 48a for 60 points.
      I would like that.

      If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

      • DearyLeary says:

        It doesn’t inspire confidence in players when you bury contracts in the minors. On top of that he’s part of the leadership core, and I don’t think Eller or Desharnais are quite ready for a 1st or 2nd line duty (I don’t think Desy will ever have what it takes, but that’s personal opinion).

        • shiram says:

          I know all of that, was just saying if he kept up the sucktitude, he could be sent down, as Mattyleg posted it as an opportunity past.
          I don’t see the Habs sending him down, does not seem to be the team’s MO.

          I’m hoping Gomez has a good year, he can play and skate, he just needs to have the mental fortitude to keep his good habits and work hard. Hopefully the vets keep him in check!

          If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Yah but if we had Colton Orr, Markov would be healthy, we wouldn’t have had to sign Campoli so he would be healthy, Ryan White probably wouldn’t have got hurt trying to get ready for the season as our tough guy. I don’t know, perhaps Orr would have been better.

      • Mattyleg says:

        Now that you put it that way, Colton Orr is the missing piece of the puzzle.

        Where’s he playing now? I’m not even sure. I’m just going to get a ticket to the center of North America and start my search from there, spiralling out in an orderly grid-search pattern.

        I’ll keep you all posted.

        Oh, by the way, I might need money. Lots of it. I’ll be in touch.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • Sharks9 says:

        I didn’t realize Colton Orr could perform surgery on Markov’s knee and make him healthy.

        25 before 14

    • jimjim says:

      This is my first post!!! New member and all that…

      No, Gomez is the same. He had an open net to shoot at during the game in Winnipeg and he decided to pass to Gionta who must have thought that even Gomez can’t pass up an empty net. So, the pass went to Gionta and, just like that, no goal.

      Take a look at me blog to for my take on the habs


    • bleedhabs81 says:

      I was watching for him to do his ol’ float left, stop, and then do something useless with the puck. To his credit, he has only done this a few times (maybe twice in two games… not bad).

      He made a nice drop pass in the center of the zone against the leafs and this got me thinking…. why doesn’t anybody use the flying V? I think Gomez could pull it off. It worked for Emelio.

      quack, quaCK, quACK, qUACK, QUACK!

  50. Feraco says:

    What do ya’ll think about the Habs current D and their D going forward. Correct me if I’m wrong but aside from Markov, many of them are in the final year of their contract.

    Subban – RFA
    Gorgers – FA
    Gill – FA
    Spachek – FA
    Emelin – FA
    Campoli – FA
    Weber – 1 yr at 900k
    Markov – ………

    Could a major shake up occur, similar to the likes of how they revamped the forward position?

    Molson Ex mon ami

    • Chorske says:

      The only undroppables are Subban and Gorges. Gill will be looking at annual contracts from now on, and I expect he would be very suited to eventually assuming some sort of defensive coach role. Spacek is done in MTL after this season, as is Campoli. I hope Emelin plays his way into a contract; if he doesn’t, who cares?

      That said, I don’t think we’re looking at a major overhaul involving established players- we just don’t have the cap space. Look at the raises due to Price and Subban and Gorges– next year will be a great opportunity for the young guys in the organization to step up to the big club (we’re maybe thinking about YOU, Mr Beaulieu).

      • Feraco says:

        Yeah thats pretty much how I see it as well…but I think alot rides on Markov’s rehab.

        Personally, I think they signed Markov to 3 years because they knew this year would be a right off. The $$ does not count against the cap / if it becomes a problem they can put him on long term IR, am I right?….personally I think they are fine with paying him that cash to keep him with the team.

        So this year is almost an evaluation year as well….

        Diaz and Weber are pretty much the same player. Weber played his way onto the team, is a good PP guy, and has playoff experience where he has scored vs Boston. But I feel he will be traded if Diaz’s game picks up. I would like Weber to get a starting spot in the top 5 and have him paired with a Spachek, or Hammer type of player.

        Subban – Georges
        Markov – Gill

        Diaz, Weber, Emelin, Campoli and Spachek are all questionable


        Molson Ex mon ami

    • shiram says:

      Hopefully Emelin stays, because of his great D play and his physical aspect. Gorges and Subban should be back next year, Markov is under contract also.
      So that leaves 2 spots, one is for Weber to lose, and the other is for someone that can bring a physical element while keeping the net clear and stuff.

      If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

  51. The Kid says:

    Moen double shifting eh?

  52. shiram says:

    Size, grit, enforcers, goons, fights or no fights, you’d think other subjects would pop up once in a while, and you know be interesting.
    Not that the arguments about the above mentionned subjects we’re not interesting, moreso that they have been covered long and wide, and no one seems to bring anything new to the table, so discussions degrade into arguements, and ensue name callings and such.
    Why am I posting this anyway?

    If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

    • HabinBurlington says:

      We can always go pack to Poutine reviews? Never can get enough good stories about cheese and gravy.

      • shiram says:

        Best in MTL is Chez Claudette so far, but Madame Bolduc is pretty great.
        Poutineville is barely ok.
        I’ve said it before to, but I’d be happy to try out different places if they come up.

        If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

    • Jordio-oh says:

      I’ll spice things up with a question. I’m in a keeper league. The categories are goals, assists, power play points, hits, shots, blocked shots and pims.

      Assuming the postion of the players doesn’t matter, who would you rather have, James Neal or Taylor Hall.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        You could combine the two and just listen to some James Taylor, very easy listening.

      • shiram says:

        Not sure what a keeper league, but I’ll go with Neal.

        If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

        • Jordio-oh says:

          @ Burly: very well done, haha.

          @Shiram: keeper league as in we get to keep players for the next year and the year after that. 25 players on the roster. At the start of next season, we decide which 11 players we want to roll with for the next season(s).

          I myself am the beneficiary of having Carey Price for the next decade, if I choose to keep him.

          Keeper leagues. Great fun.

          • shiram says:

            It does sound neat.
            I guess Hall might have more upside, and he would be the kind of player I would want to try and lock down.

            If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

  53. HabinBurlington says:

    As HabsHampton points out below, I would love to see th league start with just removing this staged fight BS that happens in so many games. I don’t know how you go about doing this, while it is obvious to many of us when the fight is staged, coaches & players will argue otherwise.

    I have suggested before, perhaps some kind of minimum ice time requirement for players dressed for games. Make the MaGrattan, Stortini’s, Parros types play 8 mins. a game and see how long teams keep dressing them.

    The emotion filled fights that occur with players who fight 4 times or less during the whole season, I have far less an issue with. Do I wish there was no fighting? Absolutely, but lets just start with the Staged fights.

    • shiram says:

      Less teams would mean fewer players spots, meaning fewer of those not so great hockeyers that can fight.
      But I can’t see the players or owners wanting that.

      You talk about staged fights, but how’s the zebra on the ice to decide what differs from a real fight? Such rules should leave the least amount of grey areas possible, and I guess that’s why reffing in the NHL is so hard…

      If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

      • HabinBurlington says:

        I recognize the defining of stages fights is difficult, that is why I suggest the min. ice time requirement. We all know that MaGrattan, Parros, Orr, Stortini etc… have 1 specific role, if suddenly these guys have to play more they are exposed for the lack of talent in playing actual hockey. Other teams take advantage and suddenly the coach stops dressing them.

        • shiram says:

          Could work, but how do you penalize those players or teams? Do they get a penalty in the next game?

          If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Too many questions Shiram, I am throwing out an idea, you are supposed to help me modify it. However, if I had to come up with a penalty, was thinking 20 lashes to the coach, needs to be done with violence given we are trying to remove violence. The Philistine fans still need to watch someone get hurt.

          • shiram says:

            You got it wrong,. you posed a solution, and I questionned it so you could reinforce your proposition.
            I am helping, just not in the way you want me to.
            I am a rebel you know.

            If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

  54. OneTimer says:

    As always, Elliotte Friedman’s 30 thoughts is a great read. Seems like that man has some great connections in around the league.

  55. HabsChris says:

    Not sure if you noticed Boone, but you have moen on two lines and no Max Pac. Just a heads up.

  56. habsguy says:

    when are people going to realize that 90% of the time when a player is roughed up, hit with a cheap shot, run from behind, speared, face washed, or anything cheap, they have a goon teammate sitting at the end of the bench who’s job is to stop that crap, it doesn’t stop them..
    Marc Savard played for the big bad bruins, Lindros played for the broad st bullies. When Colby Armstrong hit Koivu, Souray punched his lights out, but it didn’t stop the hit. When Downy hit McAmmond, his teammate was Chris Neil, didn’t stop him either….

    • bleedhabs81 says:

      How dare you! Who do you think you are?

      Providing a statement full of logic and comprehension.

      I don’t like it. Not one bit.

      All joking aside, I agree with you 100%.

    • Chris F says:

      When are you going to realize that a goon is not what the intelligent hockey fans are after for Montreal. What we need is a guy who can a) clean up the garbage in front of the net with some real muscle, but who can also play b) at least one guy who can play and fight, but actually win a few.
      It’s called providing your team with a pick up, a jolt, a game changer. Nobody said it would eliminate idiots from the game like Matt Cooke or Colby Armstrong. Just because there are police on the streets it doesn’t mean there are zero crimes, but there are less!!
      My guess is, once again, you’ve never played competitive hockey, and therefore, have no clue on what goes on between players on the bench and on the ice during a game.
      I can tell you, having some toughness, especially on the back end is crucial. We have the softest D in the league. If we are looking at PK and Gill to be our muscle, we are in trouble.
      PG had a chance to upgrade our size and grit on the back end but chose to bring in mid-level skill guys who are on the wrong side of 200lbs.
      I feel like a broken record, but it’s comments like yours that are so off base that simply burns me up. With all due respect, you have no clue, none, on what goes thru the minds of skilled guys on teams who have to continually fight their own battles.
      You don’t think Cammy, Pleks, Gio, Gomez, would not want someone on their team to be able to fill someones face after they get targeted???? I’ll take a Chris Neil any day of the week over Darche, and I like Darche, and I would take a D man the size of Souray, who can also shoot the puck, any day in my corner or in front of the net ahead of Spacek or Diaz. And I really like the kid Diaz. It’s just the way the game is played.
      You can make your points all you want, the lift that having a big guy provides in times of need far outweighs any negative. Period.

      • Jordio-oh says:

        “you’ve never played competitive hockey”

        “you have no clue”

        Nick Kypreos, is that you?

        • Chorske says:

          You can always tell the basement-dwelling teenagers on the site: they’re the ones who constantly criticize other posters for not having played enough NHL12

          • Chris F says:

            Basement dwelling teenagers? Who do you think your talking too? Video games?? You don’t have to play NHL12, I played Junior Hockey for four years, and have been coaching for twenty. I played on my provinces Canada Games team and have played in Europe. Where have you played?
            My guess is you spend most of your quality evenings attached to the lazy-boy, I spend mine in the gym and at the rink.
            Your a joke.

          • twilighthours says:

            On the flip-side, it is often painfully obvious when a poster has never laced them up and gone to war with the boys against a hated rival. If one has never played in a game like that, I’m not sure one is qualified to offer an opinion on how tough (or not) the team should be.

            If you’re sick of not being able to view the HIO comment structure from your iPhone, try downloading Mercury browser. If you have alternative suggestions, please send them along!

          • Mattyleg says:

            I think this “I bet you’re this kind of person” and “it’s obvious that you’re this” are hilarious.

            It’s the internet. Nobody has any way of knowing.

            I’m a 7-foot tall Black Latvian Opera Singer.

            …bet you didn’t know THAT!
            (or did my comments reveal it?)

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Matty based on your description, you should really try get on America’s Got Talent. I think you would be a huge hit!

          • HFX-HabFan says:

            Or Latvia’s Got Talent

          • Chorske says:

            YOU’RE getting angry at pixels, Chris F.

          • Chorske says:

            Chris F: for the record, I was not referring to YOU specifically, but rather the tendency of some posters to dismiss the views of those whom (in their opinion) don’t have the right hockey background. It’s cheap. Most of us have played all our lives. All of us are huge fans of the game. So it makes no sense to crash around questioning perfectly valid viewpoints simply because they have been expressed by people who (in YOUR opinion) don’t have the required experience playing and coaching.

            Now I have looked you up and I see that you are involved in your community, there are items regarding your role in getting rinks built and in coaching and promoting hockey in your community. That is awesome and HIO needs more posters like you. But your experience doesn’t really give you any more leverage on here than, say, me, with my few years of competitive hockey, many more leagues of competitive beer league hockey, some coaching back in the 90s, and mostly a love for the game and the Habs. As unfair as that may seem, welcome to the democracy of the internet, Chris!

      • Just a Habs Fan says:

        Good post and I have played hockey for a good number of years and there is a certain feeling of comfort that you have someone who can take matters in their own hands if that is whats needed.

        The analogy of the police deterring crimeeven if they can’t snuff it out entirely is a very practical way of looking at it. It becomes an on ice justice system in ways. You know though practical ideas are make people uncomfortable these days and especially on this site I have observed.

      • Mattyleg says:

        I don’t think that he’s off base at all.
        He makes very good points about the fact that enforcers, fighters, etc are not going to make a blind bit of difference to the cheap-shot artists out there.

        It’s like you didn’t even read what he’d written.

        But that didn’t stop you from accusing him of things that nobody can prove (his playing competitive hockey or not) and which hold no water whatsoever on an internet site. For all I know, you’re a 13-year-old girl!! So don’t call people out personally. It’s a waste of space.

        If a hockey player isn’t mentally tough enough to fight his own battles, then they shouldn’t be in the NHL. After every game when the Commentariat was saying that the Habs got ‘beat up’, the interviews with Cammi and Gio and the others reveal that they didn’t feel beat-up at all. They just had to work hard. Boo hoo.

        I agree that grit etc are important, but the ‘Put George Out And He’ll Bust Some Heads’ concept doesn’t work. Nobody is afraid of getting in a fight. Especially not the Averys, the Cooks, and the Malones of the world.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • HabinBurlington says:

        @Chris F, I think PG is trying to make the team bigger, however, his dilemna is that currently the roster has a very good chemistry together. As many have posted over the months, our drafting style has definitely started to change with larger bodies being picked. This past summer there was not a great deal of Large Gritty players with skill level available. The hope is that Erik Cole can provide some of this much needed strength, just as it is hoped Emelin will provide some on the D. I have no insight to PG’s thoughts, but am guessing he is trying to do this, but without blowing up the current roster.

        Edit, our team roster will look a bit different also once Eller and White are back in the lineup. This provides more strength and size on the 3rd and 4th lines.

        • Mattyleg says:

          Good point.
          I’ve said before (and it’s pure genuis, and thus worth repeating. Maybe I’ll even make a poster of it. Or start a blog and repeat it ad nauseum – not that anyone will ever get truly nauseated by it because it’s absolute intellectual bliss) but players like Chris Neil -guys who can fight AND play- are nearly as hard to come by as highly skilled players. Don’t complain we don’t have them, because it’s like complaining that we don’t have Crosby or Ovechkin.

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Agreed Matty, Shanahan was a great example of this kind of player. We all hope MaxPac can become something like that. I am hopeful that as he gets more comfortable this season and feeling good after taking hits that his physical game can improve.

      • habsguy says:

        Did I once say we didn’t need a little toughness in front of our own net, nothing wrong with a good “clean” hit to act as a pick up, a jolt or a game changer either..
        Show me where I said that WE intelligent hockey fans are after a goon.
        I may not have played competitive hockey on your level, but I did play my whole life up until 5 years ago, so ya, I do have a clue.
        I was posting to the Don Cherry’s and Mike Milbury’s of the world
        that violence doesn’t stop violence, and to have a McGratton sitting on the end of the bench doesn’t stop the Cookes of hockey from playing their game.
        Maybe if you took your holier than thou thumb out of your !@# and actually read what I typed you would see a point….naaa I don’t think you would !!

      • Old Bald Bird says:

        When are you going to realize that we’d ALL like more grit etc? Finding the right “fits” for the team isn’t all that easy. There are cap constraints and a multitude of factors involved.

    • habs-hampton says:

      The staged fights are the problem, not fights between 2 guys who were battling for the puck and it escalated. How does a staged fight between Colton Orr and Shawn Thorton prevent Colby Armstrong from running Marc Savard? I don’t get the logic. The only way fighting helps is when a guy can react to a dirty shot on his own.

  57. Maksimir says:

    Realignment: Looks like they are going to swap Winnipeg and Detroit into each others divisions. If that happens I think you will hear a collective ‘WOO-HOO’ from the Western Conf. teams and a collective ‘D’OH!’ from the Eastern Conf. teams.

    It would be great to see Montreal play Detroit more but at the same time, it would be another juggernaut to climb over to get into the playoffs.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Actually I think that would be great news for Montreal. Another team in our conference that plays hockey the right way. Will only help expose the Bruins Defensive weaknesses. I would be happy to se the Eastern Conference become more about skating and less about scrapping and interference.

    • Chris says:

      Detroit is poised on the precipice of a great plunge to the bottom of the rankings. The presence of Datsyuk and Zetterberg will mitigate it, but when Lidstrom retires, they are going to be in trouble.

      Their system has been depleted for years from trades to keep them at the top. Their goaltending situation is not ideal. And the lost of Rafalski and Lidstrom in back-to-back seasons is a heavy blow for any team to absorb.

      • SeriousFan09 says:

        They do have some good pieces, but Lidstrom is irreplacable. Unless of course they can land Ryan Suter or Shea Weber to mitigate the damage. Come play for Detroit, get your market-worthy salary and be #1, that’s not a bad offer.

        – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
        SF09 on Twitter

        • Chorske says:

          Lidstrom is irreplaceable- agreed. But to project a collapse to the “bottom of the standings” once he retires? That’s nonsense. Lidstrom has been slowly decreasing his playing time, and last year he was on for about 4 min less per game compared to his career average, and about 7 min off his career high. Last I checked, Detroit didn’t collapse during the 38 min or so per game that Lidstrom wasn’t playing. And last year, for the first time in his career, he was a minus player (at -2). He is a class act and a franchise player- but his departure won’t KILL detroit.

          • Chris says:

            No, but the loss of both Rafalski and Lidstrom in back-to-back seasons will.

            You can’t lose two of the better defencemen in the league and not suffer for it. Now maybe they do land a Suter or Weber, but right now, that team is on the decline.

            The Red Wings key players this season are Datsyuk (33 at the end of this season), Zetterberg (31), Franzen (32), Holmstrom (39), Bertuzzi (37), Cleary (33), Hudler (28), Kronwall (32), Stuart (31) and Lidstrom (41). That is a VERY old core with which to work, and the young guys coming up (Emmerton, Helm, Abdelkader, Filpulla, Ericsson) are nowhere close to the skill level of the guys whose minutes they are going to have to ease.

      • Chorske says:

        Astonishing. You pick the ONE team that is generally considered the most consistently excellent at identifying, drafting, and developing talent… and project them to plunge to the “bottom of the rankings”?!

        They aren’t perfect, but hockeysfuture has this much to say, you should read up

        Come ON Chris. Really.

        • SeriousFan09 says:

          Not just Hockey’s Future, a lot of people are shocked Nyquist isn’t in a Spoked Wheel to start this season.

          – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
          SF09 on Twitter

        • Chris says:

          Believe me, Chorske, I have.

          There aren’t many guys in that list that are projected to be impact players.

          The Red Wings got extraordinarily lucky when they poached Zetterberg and Datsyuk late in the draft in the late 1990’s. They also benefitted from the foresight of having Hakan Andersson finding them players in Sweden. But now every team is mining Scandinavia heavily, making Andersson’s job much, much harder.

          Franzen was drafted in 2004. Filppula, Fleischmann and Ericsson in 2002. Those were the last guys of consequence that the pipeline that the Red Wings benefitted from for so many years has spilled out.

          The Red Wings have relied heavily on free agency in recent years to make up for the fact that their farm system has not been churning out as many NHL’ers as it once did, an inevitable conequence of having traded away so many 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks to maintain their position at the top of the pile.

          Will the allure of playing in Motown still be there over the next couple of years? The Red Wings have some decent prospects (Smith, Tatar and McCollum being the closest), but no game-changers who can step right into a 2nd line or 2nd pairing role.

        • I have to agree with Chris here, Detroit gets a lot of kudos on some lucky picks (Datsyuk and Zetterberg) but aside from drafting a 24 year old Johan Franzen, they haven’t developed an impact player in a long, long time.

          There’s also the issue of what kind of minutes Lidstrom plays. While his minutes went down, his quality of competition went up. In fact Lidstrom had the highest quality of competition in the entire NHL last season, which is probably why he was a minus player.

    • savethepuck says:

      Probably in the minority here, but I think the Red Wings are on the decline. I also don’t think it’s fair to the Wings to play in the Southeast. A lot of travelling for this team to Florida and Carolina. To keep things geographical, something else should be done, even if it means several teams changing divisions.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

  58. Chorske says:

    “A lot of us enforcers have died. I can tell you, John Kordic, Bob Probert, Derek Boogaard and all these guys – we were all the same. Some of us made it through… some of us died. So if you want your kid doing that, if you’re that old school, shame on you. Violence is not the answer we don’t need these young men beating each other up, it’s barbaric.”

    -Jim Thompson (merci Ian for the link)

    • punkster says:

      Here comes the “hockey play” or “but it’s part of the game” crowd in 5…4…3…2…

      ***Subbang Baby!!!***

      • bleedhabs81 says:


        Fighting has been part of the game since it’s inception. You can’t change the basis of believes just because they are old fashioned and out of date.

        No way. Rules have been set forth and should not be questioned…. religion has tought us that.

        ….oh, I am being sarcastic and I was about to rant about religion parralleling hockey, but I fear I would offend a few people.

        I will say this, though. I had this debate with a few friends this weekend and they all thought fighting was great. I am on the fence with the issue. I think fighting had it’s place but it has become quite silly lately. 1 big (clean) hit and you have some guy trying to bash the other guys face in. For what, playing within the rules? Fighting is illegal in hockey (hence the penalty). So, we find it acceptable to punish a clean play with an illegal one? seems kind of like cheating to me.

        • Chorske says:

          There is this additional irony: there are more officials on the ice now than at any time in hockey history. I’ll wager that per surface area of play, hockey has more officials than any other sport. I mean, football has seven guys, hockey has four. And yet somehow, hockey “needs” fighting to add an extra layer of enforcement to protect the players? Really? I don’t want fighting. I don’t even want shoving and facewashes after a play. What I do want is for the officials to do a better job policing the sport and handing out penalties until the gorram players get the gorram message. In the end, the product (a fast paced skilled sport worth watching) would be well worth watching.

    • habsguy says:

      dog fighting is illegal, but humans can beat each other senseless..

    • Ali says:

      I’m more with Chris Nilan on this. Fighting in the heat of the moment, hey it’s a tough game, you dish a dirty hit you or your teammates will be held accountable. But prearranged, useless, staged fights have no place in the game. Lose the goon, keep guys like Clowe, Lucic (as much as I hate him), Perry, Kane, etc.

  59. Nina76 says:

    I cannot get 990 on the radio.I am glad that we have RDS without them we would not see as much hockey as we do…….As my French si not good at my age I was glad to have 990 but now we don’t..what has happened?….I miss CJAD bur grateful to have 990………..where do we go for an English broadcast for our games?…………Can we not protest?……..We seem to be like little children we are told what station to listen to & not…..fed up with Bell if they are the ones that instangated this………….JERKS!!!!!

  60. SeriousFan09 says:

    Getting chatter from Q league sources that Bournival may miss a month with an upper-body injury.

    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
    SF09 on Twitter

  61. adamkennelly says:

    so check this out…The Nashvillle Predators, who are obviously run and coached by people who know nothing about hockey – actually got rid of their “enforcer” because he wasn’t good enough at his job. They ditched Stortini – who can actually play a little favor of McGratton – who cannot because Stortini can’t win a fight to save his life….its amazing some teams can survive when they are run by people who know nothing about NHL hockey…thank goodness our guys have it all figured out…let the skilled forwards handle it themselves and make sure your most skilled D man is the only one back there who can hit….

    • HabinBurlington says:

      The same Nashville Predators who “gave” Cody Franson and Matthew Lombardi to Toronto for Brett Lebda whom they did not sign. That Nashville Predators organization?

      • Ali says:

        More like the same Nashville Predators who drafted and developed Shea Weber, Ryan Suter, Pekka Rinne and need capspace to resign them…

        • Kooch7800 says:

          you are right on that one. They are on a pretty cheap budget as well.

          The GM there doesn’t have a lot of cash to work with.

          They also got Mike Fisher. I would love to have Mike Fisher on our team

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Okay, then trade the asset for something don’t give it away. They are now going to have to trade Weber next year, not sure they will be able to keep Rinne and Suter. I don’t doubt their drafting, their coaching. But whether it is a result of low funds or whatever else, they may soon lose all that great young talent. And if they do have to start trading some of it, Poile needs to step it up. It is one thing to pick up another teams headcase like SK and do well with it, it is another to start winning trades that involved HighEnd Talent.

    • Jordio-oh says:

      The same Brian McGrattan that hasn’t played an NHL game in 21 months and can barely skate?

      Or how about the same Brian McGrattan who only averaged 3:26 per game when he last played with Calgary in 2009-10?

      Regardless if McGrattan is tougher or wins more fights than Stortini, he will have very little impact on the Predators (if he even plays).

      There’s a reason McGrattan has only played 39 in the last 3 years.

    • habs03 says:

      I wish people like you that bring the enforcer/”toughness” can give examples of how it improves the team. You say we need tougness to beat teams like the Bruins but yet you have no rebuttal when someone points out that we are 9-3 in the regular season vs the Bruins since we got our so called “smurfs” 2 seasons ago.

      • adamkennelly says:

        maybe I should type slower so you can get the point I am making. an NHL team saw fit to bother making two transactions to get a better fighter….worse player – better fighter…I know toughness improves teams because I know what teams look like when they are playing intimidated and that can be done to our team…can’t be done to the Bruins, Flyers, Rangers, Toronto..etc, etc, etc…not saying it happens all the time..but once is too much…honestly if I was an opposing coach – I would do it ALL THE TIME…The Jets 4th line was prolly their most effective…wonder why that happened…

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Adam how do you explain the intelligance of this same squad to give up 2 NHL ready players for nothing, not even future draft choices. If indeed David Poile is smart in running his organization this makes no sense. They made the trade in the offseason saying Lombardi would not be playing and he plays in the season opener for Toronto. Strikes me as very poor mgmt decision, in light of that I can’t start thinking McGrattan will do much for the Predators. In an ideal world yah would be great to have a big tough forward on every one of our lines, but that player needs to be able to skate backwards at least.

          • Ali says:

            Please. No GM is perfect, We traded Sergei Kostitsyn for nothing, we traded Guillaume Latendresse for nothing, we trade Ribeiro for nothing. Every team makes bad management decisions from time to time. But look at their roster, when I see 17 players on their pro roster that they themselves drafted, color me impressed. To compare, Montreal has 7.

            Oh Captain my Captain…

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Ali, I agree all GM’s make mistakes, but Franson and Lombardi were model citizens in Nashville. Franson and Shea Weber were from nearby towns and best friends on team. Lomardi had no complaints he was just recovering from a concussion. Anyways, I have always like Trotz as a coach, and Poile has drafted very well. But they are about to start losing all that talent.

          • Kooch7800 says:

            I don’t think they thought Lombardi was going to play. Headshots are a tough injury to guess on. Look at Syd and Savard.
            Lombardi could get one big hit and his career could be over (God willing it won’t happen)

            We also don’t have the greatest track record of wasting picks for rental players….or just dumping someone for nothing

            O’byrne, SK, Lappierre, Latts, Streit, Ribs, Souray, list goes on and on. In saying that I wouldn’t want any of those guys back on our team

        • Jordio-oh says:

          Do you know who Winnipeg’s 4th line was during that game? I’m curious if you would even know that or just assume the that the line comprised of the most “intimidating players” would be the most effective line.

          I’ll tell you: It was Slater, Glass and Thorburn. Collectively, they were -4 and only registered 2 of Winnipeg’s 31 shots.

          How is that their most effective line?

          Another question: How did Montreal get out-hit 26-7 and still win? They must have been so intimidated by that effective 4th line right?

          • Chorske says:




            SUIVANT NEXT


          • habsguy says:

            LOL…I love it when people get bitch slapped and have to shut up!!!

          • adamkennelly says:

            -4 combined…interesting…since there 3 players on a line…that’s what- 1 goal against as a line – maybe…out of 4 even strength goals against..get a clue…they were the most effective line – regularly keeping play in our end when matched up against the Habs top guys..that is the definition of effective playing 4th against 1st or 2nd…….I keep forgetting that most posters on this site are 12 years old and have never played or coached hockey….and on the David Poile comment – PG has never made a bad personnel decision…..idiots, everywhere..

          • Chorske says:

            Madman Kennely: the Habs didn’t merely win that game. They dominated every aspect of it.

            Which #1 line on the Habs was dominated? Because a quick look at the scoreboard indicates that the top six were all at least +1, the only folks finishing at -1 were the third line, the Desharnais line.

            Sad that you see idiots everywhere except in the mirror, kiddo.

          • Jordio-oh says:

            @adamkennelly, we’re just going to have to agree to disagree on this one since your argument is entirely based on that you “think” that the 4th line was most effective and you have no proof to back yourself up other than that one time you saw a shift where the 4th line kept the puck in Montreal’s zone. The fact that one of your arguing points is “get a clue…they were the most effective line” and nothing more, makes it pointless for me to try and dissuade you.

            Pissing contests about who has played or coached more aside (which is such a flawed and juvenile way to debate, btw), my original point still stands: McGrattan is not going to have any more of an impact than Storini did on the overall performance of the Predators and you’re never going to be able to provide concrete examples that he will. Furthermore, the 4th line wasn’t the most effective for reasons none other than you think that they did. It’s an exhausted debate. But you’re entitled to your opinion and I’m nothing more than a well spoken, albeit stupid, 12 year with no hockey experience.

        • Chorske says:

          He got your point. He correctly identified its flaws and rebutted it.

          The Jets fourth line? Who gives a feck? We KILLED the Jets.

          • Kooch7800 says:

            I wouldn’t say we killed them. We were out shot but we capitalized on our chances and they didn’t.

            We also got a bs powerplay in which we scored. Mind you there was a ton of bad penalties in that game.

            We should man handle that team. They are not very good. I def wouldn’t say we dominated though

      • nunacanadien says:

        The Boston Bruins, the Vancouver Canucks… won the cup the other could have but the refs were bribed. Thank you Bettman! What good does that do for the American market? We are back in the days where a bribe can get you a cup. All you had to do was watch all the times the Bruins got away with murder!

        • Chorske says:

          Evidence? Source?

          Right, none. Gotcha.

          Vancouver lost because they got away from the speed and skill game that won them the Presidents Trophy– instead they tried to outmuscle and outgoon Boston with dirty hits. They put THEMSELVES in the penalty box with lack of discipline. it was a crap series, but Boston won it fair and square.

          • Maksimir says:

            Luongo also crapped the bed on a lot of goals.. but received very little offensive support. I hate the Bruins as much as the next Habs fan but I have to give them credit – they earned their Cup (with a little help from Daddy Campbell).

            Still hurts a lot that Montreal was sooo close to knocking them out with their ‘soft’ team. Julien would have lost his job, the GM too and Neeley would have had an aneurysm.

          • nunacanadien says:

            No Boston did not win it fair and square. Their goons out gooned the Canucks! What are you blind man?

    • t1tan5 says:

      It’s funny you say that when Nashville consistently makes the playoffs on an extremely tight budget. Trotz is arguably the best coach in the NHL when it comes to getting everything out of his players.

  62. HabinBurlington says:

    It would be funny to watch if Cherry ever had to give a public real apology to Grimson, Nilan and Thompson. But knowing Don, if he was told he had to apolgize he would use that voice we have become used to when describing the people he doesn’t like.

    I hope that he is squirming a bit, I doubt he is, but if I knew that this was causing him duress perhaps that is all I need.

    • RGM says:

      Not only would it be that smarmy voice it would be the typical back-handed apology that’s not really an apology: “I’m sorry you feel that way and that you were offended by my factual statements. I know it’s your opinion that you had your feelings hurt, and I’m sorry you took it that way.”

      GO HABS GO! 2011-12 is our year!

  63. soperman says:

    I love that Stu Grimson is a lawyer. Go get Cherry! Make him retire.

    • tbovs says:


      Thompson is a hypocrit because he was singing another verse a few years ago. He made every ounce of money on fighting…he didn’t seem to protest when he was making ends meet for over 17 years in pro hockey. This guy never made a cent for his hockey ability. I can almost understand what cherry was saying but he was dead wrong on Nilan, Grimson.

      Fighting will never leave the game and furthermore, this nonsense about lawyers going after cherry is riduculous. The CBC pays him for his opinions. Free speech regardless of the stupidity is allowed. The last time I checked we don’t live in a censored country.

      Thompson is a douchebag, a man that has made money from something he now hates. Its like a bankrobber saying when he is done after 20 years of bankrobbing, with a million dollars in the bank, don’t do it …. its corrupting our youth. Really??!!??

      • Ian Cobb says:

        Everyone matures at a different age my friend. Thank gawd he now sees the foolishness and the health risks of this violence. Hope you mature in this sport soon also Tim.

    • love the comparison to smoking. fight the fight brother!


  64. Montreal1993 says:

    Anybody going to the game tomorrow??

  65. Oh Allan Walsh. You ruined Halak, and now you’ll get Vokoun shipped off. This agent must one of the cheapest in the biz. Why else would you hire him?

    Sigh. Like last year. NHL scheduling is right out of hehaw. Start the season, and then rest the teams for 4 days. I guess from a Canadiens fan perspective that’s a good thing. We’re losing players/game. Pretty soon we’ll be using emergency call ups. Step right up Brendan.

    Turned 40 yesterday. Had a great surprise party Sunday afternoon/night. Too bad all I wanted to do was watch the game, but with a house full of non Montreal fans it was pretty annoying.

    I never would have known it was my birthday until I saw my name on the big screen at the Wheat Kings game. Then I was choosen to shot the puck from center ice. hehe I missed the hole by 10 inches. My son missed by 3. That was a ton of fun.

    Price will win the Vezina this season.

    Week two of Cherry Free Zone. You actually can feel the calm when you don’t read his rants.

    OK, I have some work to do. See yall tomorrow.

    Shane Oliver
    Brandon, MB,Canada
    R7B 2R7
    Ph- 204 724 8418

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      Not to mention he’s butting heads with Brendan Shanahan, as if he wouldn’t be praising to Shanahan to the heavens if Calvert was his client instead of Bouchard. The guy is more interested in his name being in the paper than his clients. I honestly feel bad for Jonathan Huberdeau having this tool as his agent.

      – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

      • Interesting. Looks like I’ll have write young Jonathan a letter informing him that his agent will eventually kill his career.

        Shane Oliver
        Brandon, MB,Canada
        R7B 2R7
        Ph- 204 724 8418

      • Chris says:

        Most of the pundit comments I’ve seen on the Bouchard high-stick were quite surprised to see Bouchard receive a suspension given Calvert’s actions during the play. So Walsh isn’t exactly alone in butting heads with Shanahan on that one.

        Not to menton Habs fans being aggravated by Shanahan themselves…

        • SeriousFan09 says:

          He aggrevated me quite a bit on Malone getting off but he’s doing a job that should have been started and enforced as he is doing now the second the Instigator rule was passed. End the “Wild West” of policing by the enforcers and have the league do it.

          He’ll make misses, but he’s doing 10x a better job than anyone has even tried to do in the past in his role.

          – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
          SF09 on Twitter

          • Chris says:

            I agree. But already the rumblings are coming out that a significant cadre of GM’s are very unhappy with him.

            The problem with Shanahan, Campbell and even Bettman is that, at the end of the day, they are the mouthpieces for decisions that are being made by the 30 owners, with some owners wielding more control than others.

            I am LOVING what Shanahan is doing. I’d love to see some radical changes to the rules of hockey regarding hitting…the “hit to hurt” mentality that permeates Canadian hockey is abhorrent and has not place in sort. The NHL can set a great example, but realistically the problem has to be cured at the junior levels where the kids are being taught that nonsense in the first place.

        • if the bolts win the cup this year, you’ll know that he’s no different than campbell. only time will tell…


    • punkster says:

      Happy birthday!

      ***Subbang Baby!!!***

    • Chris says:

      Yep, Allan Walsh sure ruined Jaroslav Halak.

      Halak was traded to a team going through growing pains but who have a promising young core and now has the chance to be a #1 goalie, something he was never going to get in Montreal.

      Halak received a 4 year, $15 million contract that essentially sets him up for the rest of his life if he’s smart.

      I wish that my life was that ruined.

      How about we wait 20-30 games before making bold pronouncements about what players are or aren’t ruined? Last season, people were braying in here how Roland Melanson was a bust in Vancouver because Luongo got off to a poor start. Those same people were mystifyingly (but blessingly) quiet after Vancouver finished 1st overall in goals against despite playing a quarter of the season with 2/3 of their defence corps on the IR.

      • SeriousFan09 says:

        Roland Melanson’s fingerprints are still all over Luongo. Hasn’t improved his mental game, doesn’t challenge shooters nearly enough on breakaways or shootout situations. He is a bust because he hasn’t done the one thing Luongo needed addressed above all else, help maintaining a strong mental focus in the pressure situations.

        And Halak may end up playing 1A/1B in the future if he doesn’t show he can take a true starter’s schedule, which I mentioned last year was working against him as he lacked experience doing it and people scoffed at me.

        – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
        SF09 on Twitter

        • Chris says:

          So is that the fault of Melanson, or Luongo? A goaltending coach can teach technical skills.

          Luongo needs a sports psychologist. Just like Carey Price did when Melanson was being blamed for some of the nonsense that Price was guilty of early in his career.

          And even then, it is ultimately up to the player. Not every player is going to have the ice-water veins of a Patrick Roy.

          Jocelyn Thibault was a very skilled goalie who couldn’t quite master the pressures that come with being a #1 goalie. That Luongo is such a strong statistical goalie shows that his skills are up there with the best in the world.

          That he lays an egg on the biggest stage every once in a while (let’s not forget he did win an Olympic gold medal) can’t really be layed at the feet of anybody but Luongo.

        • SeriousFan09 says:

          Pierre Groulx helped Price regain his former confidence and become better able to focus and hold consistency over longer stretches last season as he often had to be ‘one goal better’ than the guy he was facing on the other side of the ice. If half a goalie’s ability to play is based on concentration (and that was Jacque Plante’s view, others might even say 75%) than a goalie coach’s job must be at least partly as someone who helps their charges mentally prepare for what they’re facing.

          It’s hard to say that one of Rollie Melanson’s charges were better mentally prepared to play after he coached them for a period of time, which it should be in at least one case.

          – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
          SF09 on Twitter

          • Chris says:

            And part of it was undoubtedly that Price grew up. The kid clearly had some maturity/temper issues, as many young adults do, and he’s grown out of it. Groulx has done a great job with Price, no question. But much of the credit goes to Price, who seemed to need a dose of humiliation to get to the next level.

          • just throwing it out there, but didn’t it seem Melanson was trying turning Price into a butterfly goalie? just seems that he was always caught going low when he should have been up. I noticed a switch in style with Price after Groulx became goalie coach.

            i’m clearly basing this on memory so may be off…


      • Have you watched Halak play since he left? Trust me, he’s done. He and Huet will be a tandem within two years. The Canadiens made them great and now other teams are paying for it and yes, I’ll be saying the sam ething in 20 games. Just like last season. People kept sayng oh wait and see. The guy was pulled 8 times. You get pulled that much you better marry the girl.

        Shane Oliver
        Brandon, MB,Canada
        R7B 2R7
        Ph- 204 724 8418

  66. HabinBurlington says:

    Does anyone know when Leblanc is supposed to be ready to play for the Dogs in Hamilton?

  67. Chris says:

    Honest question:

    I see it thrown around all the time that a guy like D’Agostini got 20 goals or Grabovski/Kostitsyn put up 50+ points because “anybody can get 20 goals or 50 points on the top line of a bad team”.

    This raises an interesting point…our top scorer last season was Plekanec with 57 points. Does this mean that he’s also a scrub?

    Send him over to one of those bad teams, such as the Blues.

    Would you play Plekanec over David Backes? Backes had 31 goals and 62 points while also putting up a +32 on a terrible defensive team. He’s also got size (6’3″, 216 pounds) and routinely posts over 200 hits per season.

    Would you play Plekanec over Andy McDonald? Statistically, they are basically equivalent players, with Plekanec being better defensively. I’ll give the edge to Plekanec based on his defensive prowess, although McDonald is not a bad center in that regard himself and his best offensive seasons are better than those of Plekanec.

    How about Plekanec over Patrik Berglund? Berglund is big (6’4″ and 220 pounds) and lived up to his talent last season with 22 goals and 52 points. And he’s still only 23 years old.

    You could make an argument that Plekanec would not be good enough to be even the #2 center on the Blues, and possibly not even the #3 center. On the other hand, he would definitely be the #1 center in Nashville.

    This is the nature of the NHL. Every team has different strengths and weaknesses. The Habs are strong in net and at left wing, but are weak at centre and on the blue line. They play their defensive game plan very well.

    The Blues are strong at center, but weak on defence and at right wing. The Predators are strong in net and on defence and are one of the best-coached teams in the league, but are weak at forward.

    Like all hockey fans, Habs fans have a tendency to over-value the contributions of our own players while denigrating those of other teams. Offensive players need offensive roles to succeed…this is why guys like Latendresse, Kostitsyn and Grabovski couldn’t do much for the Habs on the third or fourth line before blossoming as 1st or 2nd line players elsewhere.

    It doesn’t mean the Habs made a mistake…we were deep at those positions, and couldn’t make the appropriate space for those guys. But it also doesn’t mean that the traded players are crap…they just needed to find the right fit. Be happy (or not) for them that they have found that fit…it is petty to try to contextualize their success as coming only because they played for bad teams.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      The point was a bad team, not an individual comparison. The Blues do appear to be better this year. In fact as this teams improves, I think you will see a reduction in the role played by D’ags as better players such as Perron take on 1st line duties.

      Grabovski clearly took the trade out of Montreal to Toronto as a real chance with a clean slate. But he struggled a bit early on in Toronto, the best thing for Grabo was that the team was so poor the past couple of years that the pressure on him individually was lessened. Also, since Kessel’s arrival in T.O. he has had the target on his back and Grabovski along with MacArthur and Kulemin have thrived as the 2nd line. All 3 of these players have been a surprise to the Leafs in how well they have turned out. That said none of these players D’ags, Grabo have had the pressure of playing on a playoff team yet. SK finally did last year, and the playoffs were not so good to him compared to his regular season.

      • Chris says:

        Good comment on Graboski. In some ways, his career arc has paralleled that of Plekanec. Little was expected of Plekanec when he came up, and he benefitted from developing in the shadow of Koivu, Kovalev, Higgins, etc.

        Even in a hockey mad market like Montreal, he doesn’t have to worry about being the scapegoat for the Habs shortcomings as players like Latendresse, Kovalev, Higgins and now Kostitsyn and Gomez have served as the lightning rods for fan ire amongst the forwards.

        I give Grabovski a ton of credit for finding a way to succeed. He needed out of Montreal, and he has run with his opportunity thus far.


      problem 1- GOMEZ isnt a first line center, his 7 million should be easily getting us an 80 point center and not a 30 point center.

      As for pleks, he does everything we ask , he stays healthy, plays pp, pk, plays agaisnt top lines, but no one is saying hes a star center, you pay plekanec more for what he dosnt do, cost games, play bad hockey, more then anything hes very consistant at being good.

      just last year we had so much depth at D and now we have nothing. Contracts had to do with that. shuring up the locker and making sure, price and subban dont leave after this season.

      I dont agree that we have depth at LW either, we got cammy, pach, and ak, 3 good players, but after that, we downgrade more then consideribly iMO.

      The players that we let go of who went on to become “succesful” as you might be leading to, are all players that not only didnt fit the system, but they made lots of defensive mistakes that hurt the team and that aspect of their games seemed to be oblivious to them. MAB can score 15 from the point but he cant play D in his own end, Latendresse slipped and slided all over the ice and lack defecne, like pouilot, and kostitsyn and grabovoski were more head cases then anything.

      what i do agree with is letting JM put one of these palyers on a top line ( ala max pachioretty , second opportunit) . JM seems to have interest in winning the game were playing each night, then devolping our younger players( and even verteans, ala cole) come playoffs

    • “You could make an argument that Plekanec would not be good enough to be even the #2 center on the Blues, and possibly not even the #3 center.”

      You could, Chris. But it would be the most simplistic and flawed argument you’d have ever posted on this website. Judging players simply by points is how players like Gomez get 7.3M/year.

      • Chorske says:

        Plekanec puts up unbelievable numbers for a guy who plays a two-way role and logs heroic minutes on the PK every game.

        He’s a classic example of a player who isn’t worth taking in a pool until the later rounds- but in REAL WORLD hockey his value is off the charts.

        • Chris says:

          I like Plekanec. But the very role he plays also diminishes his value as the season goes on. Plekanec gets off to hot starts offensively, but wears down due to that insane workload.

          Plekanec, for me, is a more offensively gifted Mike Peca. Peca was a rare defensive forward that could dominate a game by shutting down the other team’s best offensive player. The league hasn’t seen many guys like that…Bobby Holik in his prime, Guy Carbonneau is another. I would confidently put Plekanec in that group. The defensive lockdown that Plekanec put on Crosby in the playoffs two years ago was as good as you will ever see; Crosby was playing as well as anybody has EVER played the game going into that series.

          What I would like to see from Plekanec is a playoff series where he takes the bull by the horns and carries his team offensively. We can point at Gomez’s cap hit, but everybody in the league knows that Plekanec is the team’s go-to guy.

          • Chorske says:

            My brain spasmodically shut down and my anus clenched in astonishment when I saw you compare Plekanec to Mike “One Leg” Peca. There are… no words.

          • Chris says:

            Think Mike Peca when he was the most feared defensive forward in the game. Peca was absolutely amazing from 1996-2000, and has two well-deserved Selke Trophies on his mantle.

          • Chorske says:

            Perhaps I am being a bit harsh on Peca. But I’d still take Pleks. 😉

      • Chris says:

        I’ll bite. Give me the non-simplistic and flawed argument.

        Would you take Tomas Plekanec over David Backes?

        Would you take Tomas Plekanec over Patrik Berglund?

        Would you take Tomas Plekanec over Andy McDonald?

        Remember here that we’re factoring in everything…offence (points, making your linemates better), defence, supporting cast, cap hits, intangibles (blocked shots, hits), potential to improve, etc.

        I’ll go on record saying that Backes is already a better player than Plekanec.

        And I would play 23-year old developing star Patrik Berglund over Plekanec as well, especially if I’m the Blues and know that we’re not winning this year or next.

        Plekanec and McDonald are, for me, essentially a wash. McDonald is better offensively, Plekanec is better defensively.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          When did E1 take over your body Chris?

          • Chris says:

            He didn’t. :)

            Just making a point, and the Blues were a convenient example.

            I could have used LW’s on Washington, where our #1 Cammalleri would end up 3rd on the depth chart behind Ovechkin and Semin.

            Or Vancouver, where Plekanec would definitely be the #3 center behind Sedin and Kesler.

            Or Los Angeles, where at best it would be a wash between Mike Richards, Anze Kopitar and Plekanec.

            But the Blues were a suitably bad team that it made the most sense to go with that lineup.

          • Chorske says:

            You’re making the basic poolie mistake of ranking the depth chart based on points. This is not how real life hockey works.

          • Chris says:

            Given that I don’t play hockey pools and don’t care for them, I reject that charge! :)

            I simply think there is more to it than you claim. If I’m making the basic mistake of ignoring Plekanec’s defesive advantage, what about your omission of the glaring edge in physical play, an important component of hockey, for Backes?

          • Chorske says:

            What glaring edge? I don’t see it. I’d rather have a consistently plus guy than a 6’3″ guy. Maybe I haven’t seen Backes play enough, but I don’t see that much of an edge.

          • Chris says:

            Backes has been 4th and 13th amongst forwards in hits. He does not at all mind getting in front of the net or working the corners. He is the protypical power forward that many Habs fans have lamented the lack of for many years.

        • Chorske says:

          I’ll deal with the Backes comparison.

          Pleks has played about 100 more NHL games. Doing the rough math, they are roughly statistically equivalent in terms of offense. But Backes has been a minus player in three of his five seasons; Pleks had one minus season and beat himself up about it A LOT, taking his game to a much higher level in subsequent seasons. Pleks averages about 30 seconds more per game than Backes, and spends MUCH more of his time killing penalties- Backes not spending much time on the PK at all. Given the defensive upside, and the fact that that two players are roughly equivalent in terms of offense (Pleks is actually the slightly better setup man) and cap hit (about $5 million per), I would take Pleks any day of the week over Backes.

        • RJB says:

          I wouldn’t take Plekanec for any of those mentioned players. Nor do I think Backes is a better player. Overall I would say Plekanec is more valuable, and that’s factoring in everything as mentioned.

          “I don’t know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.”
          – Bilbo Baggins

        • Things you’re ignoring in your assessment of the players values:

          Quality of competition
          Zone starts
          System effects
          Linemate quality
          Ice-time distribution
          McDonald hasn’t put up the numbers you’re talking about in 5 straight years
          And you’re also comparing career years for the Blues players to an average to below average year for Plekanec offensively.

          Yes Chris, your comparisons are oversimplified and flawed.

          • Chris says:

            50 points in 58 games, Andrew. Look it up. I’d post a link, but you are sophisticated and suave, so you can find it all by your lonesome.

            What is Plekanec’s average, pray tell? He’s had seasons of 47, 69, 39, 70 and 57 points in the last 5 years. That works out to an average of, let’s see…56.5 points per year. Holy crap…his average is the same as last season! Now, let’s be honest…Plekaenc is not a 39 point player. But he’s also probably not a 70 point player. He is a 55-65 point player who can gust either way depending on circumstances. Backes is looking like a 50-60 point player. So yes, there is a slight edge to Plekanec…but it is miniscule offensively.

            I did omit linemate quality, and I’m surprised you’re using that against me. Unless you think that Backes has enjoyed a huge advantage from playing with D’Agostini, Oshie and Steen over Plekanec’s playing partners (Gionta, Cammalleri, Kostitsyn).

            In terms of ice-time distribution, I ignored it because it was pretty even. Plekanec played 14:29 even-strength, 2:49 short-handed and 2:55 on the power play. Backes played 15:15 even-strength, 1:45 short-handed and 2:41 on the power play. The point totals were somewhat close as well…Pleks was 37 even-strength, 2 short-handed and 18 on the PP, while Backes had 46 even-strength, 1 short-handed and 15 on the PP. So Backes had, on average, one more even-strength shift and one less SH shift each game.

            Let’s be honest here…I have a high level of confidence that you are basing your argument on having watched David Backes play 3 times? 5 times? Be honest.

            We’re both basing it on statistics. Both fan bases are very happy with the #1 guy. You could EASILY make a non-flawed or simplistic argument for either guy, depending on where your biases lay.

          • 1) 50 point in 58 games is great, players do it all the time and then end up with a flat 60 over 82. Considering McDonald’s career trajectory, there’s no reason to believe he would keep that pace, especially with diminishing health. Two years ago Plekanec was on pace for a 90 point season in December, if he would have gone out with a season ending injury at that point, would you be saying he would have recorded 90 points? I doubt it.

            2) I said Plekanec had an average to below average year offensively, and to this you responded with condescending sarcasm. Backes “looks like” whatever you want him to look like after a career year. Plekanec “looks like” a point per game player at his best too. You’re delighted to do an average for Plekanec, but would rather go with “looks like” with Backes. Why? Backes average production the last 4 years is 48.75 points. Plekanec over that same period averages 58.75. Not such a miniscule difference anymore.

            3) A full minute per game difference shorthanded is not even close to “pretty even”. Not to mention that Backes usually doesn’t play with the players you listed. He played 26 games with Chris Stewart who you could argue is as good as any Habs winger offensively, and his other linemates during the season were Andy McDonald, Alex Steen, then a litany of others as the Blue struggled with injuries. Just like Plekanec spent time with Halpern and Moen on his wings, which you’d like to gloss over I’m sure.

            4) Okay, let’s be honest, your point about watching games was made specifically to poison the well because the stats aren’t helping you. I watched about 40 Blues games last year because I wanted to see how Halak would play. Backes is good, but nowhere near Plekanec’s talent level.

            5) We agree on one point here, both organizations are happy with their respective player. I doubt the Blues would trade Backes for Plekanec, and I doubt the Habs would trade Plekanec for Backes. The problem with your argument, and why I replied in the first place is because you provided absolutely zero context in your analysis. It WAS simplistic, and it WAS flawed. It’s pretty obvious from your tone that you took offense to that, although I’m not sure why.

            You can talk about bias all you want, but this has nothing to do with bias. Whatever faint edge Backes might get in the physicality department (hit less than Erik Cole last year) is blown apart by the fact that Plekanec is a) better offensively by a wide margin b) the best penalty killer (at forward) in the NHL bar none c) an elite defensive forward d) plays in a stifling defensive system that allows for very little offensive production.


          • Chris says:

            1) McDonald got hurt, so we’ll never know. He had 44 points in 46 games 3 years ago and then broke his leg. Putting up 57 points in 78 games after coming back from that injury wasn’t so bad. And then following that up with 50 in 58 games showed that he was back to his usual level.

            2) Backes is a winger who was converted to center. I considered only the three seasons where he played as a center. In those 3 seasons, he has 54, 48 and 62 points, for an average of 54.7 points per season, the same as Plekanec. I was willing to give Plekanec the benefit of the doubt for being a little better than his average, a benefit I did not give Backes.

            3) Backes had no consistent linemates due to injuries and flip-flops. Yes, he did get Stewart at the end of last season. And Stewart put up great numbers with the Blues, all the more impressive when you factor in the long layoff he had in the middle of the season due to injury. So good point. But his line was a carousel of wingers all year…given how much we talk about gelling on this site, I think it is reasonable to give Backes some credit for continuing to produce in all that chaos. Plekanec experienced the same thing, but he did have the benefit of having his go-to sniper (Cammalleri) available most of the past couple of years.

            4) I will concede that you are more knowledgeable than most on this topic. I’m just tired of arguing semantics with people when they have not actually watched these guys play. It’s like watching people discuss junior players yet they’ve rarely parked their butts in a rink to actually watch a game. It is annoying, and ultimately futile.

            As to the stats not helping me, I’m not sure what more I can do. You made a claim that wasn’t borne out by reality…the only place where Plekanec had a significant edge was that minute more of short-handed ice time. I am not downplaying that, but it is not a significant contributor (short of tiring him out a bit, which is of course relevant) to their offensive production, only to the defensive comparison where I happily gave Plekanec the signifcant edge.
            5) I guess we agree to disagree. I think that Backes is equally valuable as Plekaenc, hence I could make the argument that he wouldn’t be good enough for the Blues to dump their current #1.

            And Berglund, who is an up-and-comer who has been ignored in this discussion, has to be given a chance to show what he can do. 52 points as 22 year old forward (Plekaenc was still in the AHL at 22) and 47 points as a 20 year old rookie show a great deal of promise, while his sophomore slump year shows that there is cause for some consistency worries.

            So you COULD make the argument that the Blues would not use Plekanec even if he were offered for free. They are happy with what they’ve got. And if an injury strikes, they have a very skilled replacement in Andy McDonald who can fill in.

            That was all I was saying at the beginning. Some will agree, many will disagree. But at least we hashed it out. :)

    • Jordio-oh says:

      I honestly believe that Plekanec has similar point totals as Andy MacDonald for the exact reasons you mentioned above: Plekanec is a more defensively minded player, or at the very least, plays in a more defensively minded system.

      I’m quite confident he’d get considerably more points if the tables were turned. Of course, that is pure speculation on my part.

      • Chris says:

        I think you are probably right.

        And it is important to mention supporting cast…having Selanne riding shotgun on your line is a good boon to your peak offensive numbers! :)

    • Chorske says:

      We’ve been joking around with Mike McLaren about his drafting of Zac Dalpe in our hockey pool. His argument is that Dalpe should be good for 60 points if he sticks on the top line (that is a big IF). And the fact of the matter is that playing on the top line, with top 3 guys, getting top 3 minutes, can boost someone from being a 20 pointer to a 40 pointer. But I really don’t think it’s a guarantee of 60+ points (which is a lot in the new NHL), which is why I rarely draft for the “linemate” effect in my pools.

  68. slychard says:

    On the 30 thoughts article #1 was hoe Buttman must have felt good for the cheers he got in Winnipeg. As I watched the game I braced myself hoping they wouldn’t boo because the deceased player’s mother ( sorry too early and my brain is not fully functioning and his name unfortunately escapes me ) was on ice for the ceremonial puck drop. To boo him would have been disrespectful for that moment so I was glad they didn’t. Class crowd. But deep down I’m sure they were booing him.

  69. HabinBurlington says:

    So 2-3 weeks for Spacek, hopefully in this time Emelin, Diaz and Weber can play well thus making it difficult for JM to immediately insert Spacek as regular Dman.

    This could be just the opportunity needed for Emelin, perhaps Weber as well, but really hopeful Emelin can get comfortable out there.

  70. slychard says:

    He has no contract therefore not until next rookie camp will we see him. Looks like the little giant in Vancouver doing very well. Imagine if he could score half the goals he does in one season in junior at the NHL level. Wow.

    • petefleet says:

      yeah, my post was more of a thought than a suggestion really. Wishful thinking. The kid is going to be an impact player in the NHL if he is able to stay on the steep incline of development he’s on. As I said below, he reminds me of Jeff Skinner.

      Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

      ***Habs Forever***

  71. petefleet says:

    Gallagher has a five point night and contribues on every goal scored (including the only one against). Could this kid not fill in nicely for Cammy? Can they not bring him up for 8 or 9 games just to see what he can do on the top line with Pleks and whoever? Seems like perfect timing to me. He impressed right into the last pre-season game. Give the kid a real shot.

    Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

    ***Habs Forever***

    • j2w4habs25 says:

      I couldn’t have agree’d with you more but I think they should really consider it.

      Carey Price #31

      • AntoineSabourin says:

        Too bad they missed out on the deadline for the entry level contract. Montreal can still sign him but than he would only be able to be brought up through emergency conditions. Those conditions I do not know however. Brayden Schenn was called up by emergency last year for 2 games with the LA Kings.

    • DearyLeary says:

      Kind of silly to be honest. If they’re going to bring him up early they want him to be an impact player, which he won’t be at the NHL level.

      He’s a solid prospect, and he’ll likely make the club down the road; but there is no reason to bring him up right now.

      • petefleet says:

        It’s not silly. At the bare minimum it would give the kid a real benchmark on his development. I see alot of Jeff Skinner in him.
        I get that he’s only a kid but so was / is Skinner. Anyway, he’s not eligible so that is that.

        Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

        ***Habs Forever***

    • bel33 says:

      Agree that Gallagher is flying… but I think it has to do with his Junior contract vs. having him signed to an entry level one. I’ve read here from others that he can’t be brought up.

      • nunacanadien says:

        I hope that Gallagher doesn’t end up wasting his chance like a lot of the promising rookies, and instead concentrate on continuing to buck up his weight. Of course having a coach who believes in you is also key, let’s hope we don’t hear about discord between Gallagher and JM in some Russian or Belarussian paper…..but honestly, JM is just trying to show us that hockey can be played if players play in their position like some table top hockey game….now I know why he coaches this way! JM the table top hockey Coach, and Pierre Gauthier the other table top hockey GM! In order to score, sometimes players have to switch like L’Artiste and move around and like some prima donna St.Louis type player actually score a goal that wins the game, instead of relying on Price to allow just one goal to win a game. Not all teams are like the Altanta Thrashers North….

        • Chorske says:

          OMG a Kovalev post! Just what we were missing this morning!!

          • nunacanadien says:

            Well its true, anytime a hab with any skill goes anywhere and are allowed to skate like a real hockey player, like in the Olympics even, they shine! Proof that JM’s five on five does not work effectively all the time. And even then, not all lines can sustain the five on five, we don’t have the physical toughness for that type of brutal hockey! The multiple injuries are proof!

  72. j2w4habs25 says:

    Good Morning Hab Fans….. Hope Brossard is packed.. “standing room” only! – because thats how we roll in MTL

    Carey Price #31

  73. jonnyp says:

    Eller will make his way to a top 6 forward , go Ellar go

    • j2w4habs25 says:

      Cant wait to see him in the top 6. We totally won in that trade with Eller and Halak…

      Carey Price #31

      • habsnyc says:

        no question that was a great trade. it was the kind of trade montreal should always make. they got an NHL ready first round pick in return for their back-up goalie. i wish every year monteal would get that kind of value for their excess players.

        it doesn’t matter how good your back-up goalie is when you plan to play your #1 netminder 70 games a year.


    media is owned by big cooperations who use propaganda to make tons of cash, or cause distraction, I hear lots of media outlets actually supporting :100% canadian” don Cherry. I’m hearing more about what cherry says , then the wall street protests.

  75. punkster says:

    Tried to get a handle on this comment. Couldn’t. 3 minutes of my life I’ll never get back.

    ***Subbang Baby!!!***

  76. shiram says:

    Thanx for the info, having no kids I’m clueless about how those leagues work.

    If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

  77. HabinBurlington says:

    Jlgib, I don’t say this as a request to make Montreal more competitive. I say it, because I think the fighting in the NHL has changed for the worse over the past 10-15 years. In the past, the glory years of hockey 1970’s into 80’s yah there fights, but the fighters new how to play hockey and played significant minutes. Dave Schultz, Tiger Williams, Chris Nilan were some of the toughest guys in the league, but they played a regular shift. Perhaps no one epitomizes the modern version of this greater than Bob Probert. Probert had great hands around the net. Today, far too many players in this league fight and that is all they can do. The league has changed into this, and i want back the league where players who put on their teams sweaters know how to play hockey. That simple for me.

  78. Chorske says:

    Please provide a source for the following:
    – 90% of NHLers want fighting
    – 90% of fans want fighting

    Also, see my post to Chris F about how little I care whether a poster has played or coached “advance competitive hockey”. By THAT benchmark, who are YOU to question Jacques Martin, or Cunneyworth, or Muller? THEY have more experience than YOU. Some of the best posters on here have never even played the game. This does not invalidate their opinions.

  79. Bripro says:

    Yes, and 8 first all star nominations, one or two second all star, the Clader, etc, etch.. over a 10-year span with the Bruins.
    All because of bad knees.
    Hopefully, Markov’s not the same.
    He’ll certainly never be as decorated.

  80. LA Loyalist says:

    Yeah, and Coach Chocula would have benched him for going into the offensive zone without a hall pass.

  81. Bripro says:

    Where did he say that? All I read was his comments on Orr’s knees.
    You have to put more emphasis on your HAHAs.

  82. Uh huh, keep thinking that. He missed significant time in the last 2 years, not the last 3. Three years ago he played 78 games.

    Like I was saying, anyone who thinks teams wouldn’t be clamoring to pick up an elite defender like Markov, is dreaming.

  83. Bripro says:

    Absolutely. Markov shows up on waivers, and Saku is in his bosses’ office getting the Ducks to claim him. Guaranteed.

  84. Not to mention other guys like Souray in Dallas. Lots of teams with a ton of cap space.

  85. It’s in Miami, and it was a scheduled appointment that was reported on last week.

  86. Bripro says:

    It’s been scheduled for over a month. It’s routine.
    I just think there’s more to it overall. He’s still not practicing with the team.

  87. HabinBurlington says:

    It can be good if the doc says “hey Andrei, your knee is rehabbing real nice, I think you can start stepping up your conditioning now.”

  88. They’re keying on Skinner big time, lots of late hits.

  89. SeriousFan09 says:

    I swear they must go home, watch 70’s Flyers games and have ‘me’ time.

    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
    SF09 on Twitter

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