Another goose egg

Pat Hickey’s game story

Red Fisher’s take

Dave Stubbs on Frankie Boo

Quotes from the room

About last night …

Pierre Ladouceur’s game analysis

Hickey’s column


  1. olematelot says:

    You’re wrong

  2. HFX-HabFan says:

    I hate to say it, but Desharnais looks like a career AHLer.  Eller was probably our most effective forward (not that it’s saying a lot, but he played one of his best games) and is clearly NHL ready.

  3. habs-hampton says:

    Thanks guys, that clarifies it a bit. Bottom line is that with Rogers, TSN will continue to show NBA games that no one cares about. If I want NHL, I need to switch to Bell.

  4. terrygain says:

    Makes sense only if you think this team needs to be torn down and rebuilt (which it doesn’t). In that case you’d need a coach who can work with young players. 

  5. Pieboy says:

    Desharnais has never really been given a shot. Would like to see him play 10 or 15 games in the NHL.

  6. terrygain says:

    Not me. It’s not helping him to have 4th liner on his right flank.

  7. terrygain says:

    I thought Eller was our best forward last night. I’m surprised that our scoring has been as good as it has been considering that Martin insists on playing a 4th liner on the second line.

  8. Mike D says:

    Not a chance in hell Boston trades Rask.  He’s a young goalie with a lot of potential that they got for practically nothing (if memory serves me well). 

    They would trade Thomas WAY before they trade Rask due to his old age and salary since they find themselves in a cap crunch.

    Don’t know where you heard this “rumor” from but if it’s a website, remove it off your favourites.  If it was from a person, slap ’em.

    – Honestly yours

  9. says:

    You’re missing out on a very good player.  I hope you’re not mixing politics with hockey.

    They Call Me Shane

  10. CanadienBoy says:

    About two first rounders as Kostatine and Pouliot

  11. SeriousFan09 says:

    Desharnais would get crushed on a grinding line, he might, might be able to play a Top-6 role on some team in the future but he is not up to handling an NHL season where he’s got to be a checking line player.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  12. matraque says:

    Having Eller on the 2nd line is not an option.  The kid cannot even show regular flashes on the 4th line… Just imagine all the pressure of playing on the 2nd line.

    So far, nothing impressive with Eller.  IMO, PG is just imposing him to JM… PG does not want to look bad and JM has to play him…  He should be playing in Hamilton  and Deharnais should center our 4th line.


    Canadien en 5!

    Never go Full Retard

  13. sidhu says:

    I’d let Max Power develop in Hamilton, but I would bring up White.

  14. SeriousFan09 says:

    Maxwell has not scored in his last 4 games and has only 1 point in his last 9 with Hamilton right now. Desharnais, I just don’t see him standing up to the NHL, he’s not fsat enough or strong enough. I’d say Lars Eller could take his spot certainly the way it’s going.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  15. Miltie01 says:

    According to NHL.COM Gomez’s wingers had 9 shots on goal last night. Maybe he is the one doing his job ?

  16. GrimJim says:

    Cost would be $14 million in cap hit to start… Probably Leblanc or maybe Avtsen and Kristo as the actual traded assets. Darryl Sutter may be baffling or have tunnel-vision but he’s not stupid.

    What would you be if you were attached to another object by an incline-plan wrapped helically around an axis?

  17. sidhu says:

    Anyone else think that Ben Maxwell or David Desharnais could be doing just as well/poor as Scott Gomez on the second line (for about 6m less)?


  18. ctony says:

    There are some rumors swirling about Boston trading
    Rask.  He’s a young goalie with excellent
    numbers last regular season (22-12-5, 1.97GAA, .931SV%) and good playoff numbers
    (7-6, 2.61 .910). 


    Every team knows Chiarelli is in a cap squeeze, so it will
    be interesting to see: (1) if Boston trades him; and (2) what Boston gets for him
    or if they opt to keep him and tie up $6.5 million in cap space for him and


    Personally, I think Boston holds onto him, as it doesn’t make
    a big dent in their dire cap situation. 
    He only makes $1m this year and $1.5m next season and has $1.25m cap hit
    before becoming an RFA in 2012-13.  

  19. DearyLeary says:

    I don’t believe so, it’s also a little early to put that kind of weight on Eller’s shoulders.  Give him a year or two.

  20. 24 Cups says:

    Hr1 – Gomez has 6 points in 19 games.  Darche and Moen have 5.  Gorges and Spacek have 7.

    Instead of asking why Gomez doesn’t have better wingers to compliment his game, one might also want to inquire as to why Gomez isn’t making his wingers better? 

    Even accepting Gomez for what he is,  I think it’s still reasonable to look for production around 18 goals and 50 assists as a 2nd line offensive centre.  Right now he’s on course for about 26 points.  I’m sure he will pick it up, but he sure has a lot of ground to cover.

    I’ll be the first guy to acknowledge his improvment once he begins to earn his money and play like a top six forward.

  21. Corio says:

    I know this will sound extreme to some but what about this:

    – Send Gomez through waivers, if he is picked up we get cap relief, if he isn’t we get cap relief.

    – Bring up MaxPac, give him lots of ice time, let him develop

    – Increase Eller’s ice time as well


    Is this an option!

  22. Drive_For_25 says:

    That was a classic game under Martin’s system last night.  He’s the best coach out there at matching up against his opponents.  The only problem with that is when your opponents suck, so do we.  This team is too good to play at that low of a level so they always look bad when they try.  One good thing is that we’re set when it comes to the playoffs!!!

  23. CanadienBoy says:

    Horton doing well in Boston ,the top 6 forward that we missing,i think Igila would look good with gomez but what’ s the cost ?

  24. B says:

    TSN purchased the regional rights to broadcast 24 Habs games in English. These do not include games that already belong to CBC/Hockey Night in Canada. TSN has a channel dedicated to these games, a different channel than TSN or TSN2. Bell TV has all three of these TSN channels while other carriers have yet to add the new TSN regional Habs channel. Note that Sportsnet has a bunch of channels dedicated to regional games for Vancouver, Edmonton, Calgary and Ottawa. Bell TV also carries all of these regional Sportsnet channels. The “region” for TSN’s Montreal Canadiens channel is Eastern Ontario, Quebec and provinces to the East of that. I hope this helps.

  25. KenD29 says:

    The 24 extra Habs games are broadcast on TSN specialty channel # 402 or 1402 (HD) on Bell expressvu. Not sure about Rogers or other cable/satellite providers. I also believe you have to request these channels.



    Tonight we skate with them, Tonight is our night!

  26. habs-hampton says:

    Can someone help me, cause I’m really confused.

    I live in N.B. and Rogers is my cable provider. I subscribe to RDS to get all 82 Habs games.

    Now, TSN was supposed to show Mtl-Pha on Tuesday on the “Montreal Canadiens viewing area” or something like that. Where exactly is that area? Why do Bell and TSN carry different stuff on the same channel? I only care because I am English and like the between period stuff with James Duthie, but prefer Pierre Houde for play-by-play.

    I usually only watch Mtl, no I don’t want to buy Center Ice.

  27. Seps says:

    We have a guy, his name is Lars Eller.  It’s up to Martin to start using him

  28. HabsTrueBlue says:

    Everything Red Fisher wrote was correct and balanced. He’s a journalist not a cheerleader!

  29. J_P says:

    I dont think anyone is really taking nashville lightly.  I even said yesterday that if the habs take nashville lightly they will get burned.  Losing the game is one thing, but the team was seriously lacking in intensity yesterday.  Its not that nasvhille is a bad team, its more that its not as emotional of a game as say our games against top teams like Vancouver or Philly (which were statement games) or games against say the Bruins (original 6 rival) and Carolina (they always had our number in the past, and we have playoff history with them).  Toronto is a far worst team than Nashville, but playing toronto is far more emotional game considering the rivalry. 

    If we would have lost 3-2 or 4-3 in a tightly contested game it would be one thing, but last nights game was a real snoozer. 

  30. Hobie Hansen says:

    Quick comment on Gomez; he seems to have a presence out there, we all know he has no shot but if he had two strong line mates that he could dish it off to or setup in the slot he’d be much more effective.

    Kostitsyn is good but hasn’t clicked with Gomez just yet and Lapierre isn’t going to get the job done on the top two lines. I’d imagine Gauthier is noticing the same thing and not to sound like a broken record, but man do I ever hope he finds a guy with some size who can bury the puck to play on that second line!   

  31. Habsrule1 says:

    I hate Gomez’s contract as much as the next guy, but i really don’t think he’s doing that bad. the points are not coming, but he’s trying. It’s unfortunate that most people just see his salary and not the way he gains the zone like no other Hab has in a long time (ok, maybe PK), and the pinpoint passes he has made. I think with a natural scorer with him, he’d have 10 more assists right now. they need to allow him to create some chemistry with either Cammalleri or Kostitsyn. It might take 10 games but put 2 wingers with him, and LEAVE THEM THERE!

    Just so you know, he’s not my favorite Hab and I’m no bigger fan of him that any other player on the team, but I love watching him with the puck. He’s not nearly as bad as people here seem to think, but he’s not worth the money he’s getting either.

    As for the game, it happens…..back to it Saturday!

    Go Habs Go!! “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  32. HabsTrueBlue says:

    Hopefully that 2 win streak does not become a 3 win streak tomorrow!

  33. J_P says:

    Nevermind the fact that we played down to our competition, but what a snoozer last nights game!  I think Im going to have to order NHL center Ice because I would have much rather watched the 8-7 barn burner between tampa and philly. 

    That Steven Stamkos….I think he is by far and away the most natural goal scorer in the NHL.  How teams haven’t been able to key in on him and shut him down, I have no idea.  Him and St-Louis are pretty much good for a powerplay goal every single game.  Including last night, he has 19 goals in 19 games.  Maybe he will actually hit the vaunted 50 goals in 50 games.  He would be the first since Brett Hull did it in the early 90’s. 

  34. Hobie Hansen says:

    think that because it’s Nashville and they don’t really have a fan base or any notoriety that teams take them lightly. They sort of slip into cities under the radar, steal a couple points and vanish off into the night.

  35. KenD29 says:

    Still allot of dough at $5.5 mil for his production even for a sad sack organization. But as you mention, there probably is one out there who would be willing ( maybe Sather will take him back!)


    Tonight we skate with them, Tonight is our night!

  36. ctony says:

    “…So now I’m praying for the end of time. To hurry up and arrive. Cause if I gotta spend another minute with [gomez]…”  Meatloaf.

  37. B says:

    Nashville is a very good team. I am surprised how many people inaccurately dismiss them as lower echelon and so far beneath the mighty Habs. It was no fluke that they were a 100 point team last season (12 more points and 8 more wins than the Habs) and Trotz is a top notch coach. I think less than 20 games into this season is a little early for Habs fans to start looking down their noses at “teams like Nashville”.

  38. ctony says:

    Great point.  

  39. Mark C says:

    Great point, there is almost a $5M gap between Gomez’s cap number and his salary over the last two years of his contract. Gomez has an ideal contract for a cap floor team, assuming he is producing in the same zip code as his career norm.

  40. SeriousFan09 says:

    Gomez’s salary drops to 5.5 and 4.5 in his final two seasons and you can bet there will be some sad-sack franchise looking to meet the cap floor and with his overall hit standing at 7.3 per season Habs may get a taker in 12-13.

    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  41. ctony says:

    Hi Boone,

    This is not a Habs issue, but what do you think the NHL should do (if anything) about this:

    Islanders pull plug on feisty reporter




  42. longtimehabsfan says:

    I wish we could only play teams like the Flyers, Caps, Bruins, etc. for the rest of the season.  Basu is right:  We simply play to the level of our competition.

  43. ctony says:

    Hopefully Eller will be ready in the next three years.  At that time, we will have to make room for him.  Trading Gomez will always be tough with his contract, specially if his production continues to lag relative to his pay.

  44. ctony says:

    Hard to dump a Gomez-sized salary.  Even a team looking to reach the floor will want some reasonable production from a player making that kind of money.  If we want to get rid of him, we might have to take a Redden/Souray approach and send him to Hamilton; or add something (a prospect, pick, etc.) to get another team to take him off our hands.


    Eller has the tools to be good, but seems to be a natural centre.  He isn’t going to get the ice time or opportunity as long as Gomez gets the second line.  


    At some point, if Eller shows JM he’s ready to centre the second line consistently, then JM could move Gomez to a third/fourth line defensive roll.  That might be our most realistic approach.


  45. DearyLeary says:

    Well, like I said, I love the kid, but a second line job just isn’t a realistic expectation from him right now.  This year is about learning his trade, and hopefully get a good taste of playoff action. 

  46. DearyLeary says:

    I agree with the principle.  That Eller needs to be given the same time frame to truly evaluate the trade.  But I really believe he’s on the fast track and it won’t take that long for us to see returns on the Eller part of the trade.

    It was a trade made in a goalie saturated market, and we addressed two organizational needs, a young big center who isn’t afraid to use his size, with a high skill ceiling; and a big mean ornery SOB in Shultz, something the Canadiens haven’t had in decades, it’s more likely that we’ll start seeing returns from Shultz in the timeframe discussed (4-5 years) while Eller is already showing signs (which tells me he’s more likely in the 1-2 year range from reaching his potential ceiling.)

  47. shiram says:

    Last night wasnt all that fun to watch, lazy stars not playing with intensity.
    Price looked good for most of the night, but not as great as he had looked thus far this season.
    I was glad to see Halpern and Gorges playing, but they did seem a bit off.

    It was great to see Eller get some time, and even better seeing him try very hard to make the best of his ice time. My inner troll is clamoring for Gomer on the fourth and Eller up top heheh.

    But at least this loss might make saturday’s game even more interesting, the Leafs are probably as hot as they are gonna get with a 2 win streak, and the Habs coming in from a lazy loss.


    Poutine, the perfect trio, on any line.

  48. ctony says:

    So where does that leave Eller?  Do they move him to the wing or find a way to get rid of Gomez?

  49. DearyLeary says:

    Well, there are teams that struggle to hit the salary floor.  A straight up salary dump isn’t impossible if a team who’s been losing a lot needs some leadership (if not the lack of production for the pay).  Improbable, but if I were a GM I’d start planting seeds this season to see if anyone could bite for the next.

  50. Propwash says:

    I bet Trotz studied the video of when we played the Devils and said “Aha!”

  51. samTHEman says:

    He played well. Made some nice passes but no one could finish. I would like to see him on one of the top 6.

    And what is up with Gomez? He’s got speed, hands and all, but he can’t find his teammates, and they can’t find him. Once he carries the puck past the blueline, it’s a big FAIL from then on.

    Habs have a tendency to play at the level of their opponents. They used their speed very well against Philly. Why didn’t they skate like that last night? They weren’t moving their feet. I agree that the game could’ve gone either way. Price made some great saves in the 1st and Rinne held his fort.

  52. Corio says:

    Wow that is mind blowing that he still has 3 years on that contract, MIND BLOWING!  ugh..

  53. habaddict_andy says:

    I was at the game.  I was pretty close to the ice and boy, for a low intensity game as you say, they were fast skating team both sides.  And the checks when watching on TV that do not seem too harsh are body to body, heavy weight checks.  Hall Gill’s checks usual usually don’t seem that impressing when watching TV.  Up close this guys is a monster and what seems harmless looking is actually 250 lbs (is it 250?) pinning you to the wall.


    Scott Gomez to Montreal Media “You’re a pain in the neck, but you’re our pain in the neck.”

  54. SeriousFan09 says:

    Surprised Jack Todd didn’t borrow that hatchet to throw his own piece of ‘journalism’ together.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  55. Max_a_million says:

    Mike Johnson is an ex-hab too …

    I liked him, and thought his perspective was balanced.

  56. Mike Boone says:

    I agree with your analysis of Eller. But Gomez is untradeable, and he has this season plus THREE MORE on that crazy contract.

  57. BoomBoom says:

    I agree about Red Fisher. He’s lost all credibility with me with his negativity. Habs win, and it’s because the other team played poorly. Habs lose and its the end of the world and proof that this team belongs at the bottom of standings. He’s suffering from the grumpy old man syndrom. But to tell you the truth sometimes I think he gets confused as has yet to realize that the Habs are not in the original six league anymore.

  58. B says:

    You may not like him, but what he wrote is true.

  59. DD says:

    I was watching TSN last night before the game and of course they brought in a supposed insider, Mike Johnson ex-leaf, to weight in on the Halak-Price story. He said that you won’t really be able to tell who won in this story until 4 or 5 years down the road…….okay so far, then he went to say that the Eller part of the trade was the real story, insinuating thet we got taken. It left me to wonder why the pundits aren’t willing to give Eller the same time frame. Although Eller has not lit it up yet, he is still getting quality chances and he is always involved in the play phsyically. I like this kid, and think he will be a main stay for years to come. Now if Shultz can bring some size and meanness to our roster and Price contiinues to shine, in my opinion, we win hands down.

  60. DearyLeary says:

    If you watch him whenever he’s on the ice (which I have been doing all season) you see why the Blues coveted him so highly.  He’s a fantastic skater (one of the fastest on our team already), a strong puckhandler, has a very underrated shot (he just has to find the mark), goes to the dirty areas (front of the net/corners) and wins puck battles. 

    He’s still very young, and he makes some bad decisions at times.  I think a lot of it has to do with the pace of the game, he’s only played a little over a season’s worth of North American style hockey (70 in the A, 25 in the N).  Last night was arguably his best game yet, but I feel he’s got a very high ceiling.  His development will allow the team to let Gomez take a huge salary cut, or we let him walk, with that kind of cap space it makes us a bigtime player for free agents (or alternatively trade for some 2nd/3rd rounders for a salary dump, in the end it’s the same concept).

    I think Eller is going to be a very good second line center.  His youth, and subsequent price, will give the Canadiens a lot of wiggle room, but if a Gomez trade is in the cards I’d be looking at sometime next year. 

  61. Max_a_million says:

    Agreed.  Red’s glorious teams of the past never went through a season undefeated either, even if his memory misguides him. 

  62. Max_a_million says:


    I don’t think it is realistic to expect 100% intensity every night throughout a regular season.  The Flyers game was rough for them physically, as well as a very emotional effort.  There will usually be a let down after a big game like that for all teams.  A lucky bounce or two, and we could have still won the let down game. 

    Nice to see Eller play as well as he did last night!

  63. DearyLeary says:

    Question, is Red Fisher the biggest negative nancy ever?  When the Habs are winning games he puts out his ‘good old days’ articles, when they lose, another hatchet piece.

  64. ddupuis says:

    Lars was great last night…he drew two penalties by going hard to the net.  He did everything but score…really sarting to like this kid!


  65. HabFanSince72 says:

    Gary Bettman is a lawyer. It isn’t about right and wrong, it’s about winning the fight. See his commitment to the Southern US strategy for an  example of never backing down even in the face of overwhelming evidence. If he won’t admit that Phoenix, Columbus, etc …are failures, why would he admit that Campbell is an  unethical bully?

    Colin Campbell has the same street thug personality as Bettman minus the actual law degree. And he takes in $1.4M/year as head of the most incompetent officiating in pro sports, in a league that loses money no less.

    F*** them all.



  66. J_P says:

    That was the most predictable loss ever.  Same old habs, they love playing down to their competition.  Sure, Rinne played very well, but you could see that the intensity wasn’t there. No big deal, can’t win em all.  Hopefully they come back with a strong effort saturday night against the laughs.

  67. B says:

    I thought they might play Boyd against his former team.
    I guess he is really way out of the picture now.

  68. Hobie Hansen says:

    In my opinion, the Habs didn’t make any glaring mistakes last night that are cause for alarm. There was possibly a lack of intensity on the Canadiens’ part but if Renne wasn’t phenomenal like he was the outcome would have been different. Good teams still win without their “A” game on some nights but that wasn’t the case for the Canadiens klast night.

    Our defense looked decent and Spacek seems to be playing fairly steady and getting some offensive chances as of late.

    It should be an exciting game on Saturday night against the Maple Leafs, especially since they’ve won back to back games. Hopefully the Habs get their mojo back before the game because the Leafs will be playing like it’s the Stanley Cup finals.


    Go Habs Go!  

  69. avatar_58 says:

    MEH. One game, the end. Moving on…

  70. punkster says:

    Did anyone hear the Bettman comments regarding the Campbell email controversy? He makes reference to reality versus perception of those communications. 

    Gary, please dude. You do not know the difference. When we look at you our perception is of a small man. The reality is.,..oh, wait…you are.

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