Another bloody chapter

Photo making the rounds on Twitter this morning, bound to go viral, by QMI on the front page of the Journal de Montreal.

Think Zdeno Chara’s hit on Max Pacioretty might be mentioned on sports radio today?

Chara faces a noon hearing, by phone. He hasn’t been called to the principal’s office, which means a suspension of two or three games, max.

And the updated medical report, per Renaud Lavoie of RDS, is a severe concussion and possible neck injury.

Pat Hickey’s game story

Stubbs column: Hit casts long shadow

Martin urges NHL to take action

Red Fisher’s column

Quick Hits and About last night …

Bergeron knows the feeling

Arpon Basu and Bob McKenzie on the hit

 

313 Comments

  1. Graves says:

    To me, the worst thing about this garbage isn’t the fact that Chara will get away with a slap on the wrist (if Chris Pronger as a repeat offender only gets eight games for curb-stomping someone, Chara will get two games at the most), it’s the fact that these plays are ruining hockey for me.

    Last night, I honestly thought Pacioretty was lying dead on the ice. That’s not hyperbole, that’s the truth. Yet another good young player whose career might now be in jeopardy because of some thug idiot and a league that doesn’t take discipline seriously. This isn’t just disheartening to me as a Canadiens fan, it’s disheartening to me as a fan of the game. I don’t want to watch games full of Cookes and Prongers and Charas because they’ve been allowed to take out the Crosbys with dirty plays. It’s just not hockey anymore.

    Last night, I was watching the Canadiens handing the Bruins their asses by playing one of the best hockey games I’ve seen in a long time. Then I watched as the Bruins tried to derail everything by playing a game of cheapshots and thuggery. I’m not even angry anymore. I’m just depressed thinking about what this means for the future of the game I love.

    I wish all the best to Pacioretty and his family.

  2. matraque says:

    Seems like they also blocked comments from their articles…

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    Canadien en 5! Never go Full Retard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svwGRJA28lY&feature=related

  3. habs365 says:

    I have one thing to say to chara…you’re a big goofy goon and if I was playing against ya…you would have bad knees for the rest of your life…you may be big and strong but your knees are like everyone else…I hope every player in the league reads this message and do me a favor……

  4. axman88 says:

    1. Chara and Paciorretti have history (the little shove after the OT winner)

    2. Puck was dumped in a few seconds before the hit

    3. Period was winding down – 16 seconds left (Chara has a history of starting things up at the end of periods/games)

    4. He was shoved/pushed into the boards/glass NOT checked

    5. Chara shoved Paciorretti’s head NOT his body

    6. You can’t hit a player from behind. Which means you have to be aware of your surroundings. I’m not sure what Chara’s intentions were, to hit him into the bench, glass, pole? Who knows? But he was aware that if he were to hit him in that area it would be very likely that he’d be thrown into the bruins bench. But the problem is, when a player is going at that speed and Chara’s intent is to SHOVE not CHECK into the bench – there’s no way in HELL that the player comes out injury free.

  5. mrhabby says:

    here we go again. as i watched the game last night i said to my wife..something dirty will happen and possibly something bad..well i was right.

    chara had every intent of doing what ever was possible to take patchs out and if possible hurt the guy.his body movements and the angle he takes sure look like he knew what he was doing… okay so he ran out of room. a dirty, cheap shot thats what it is and a needless hit at that.

    what a gutless bunch of pukes the bruins are.the chicken wants to fight pouliot with no time left to make a point for that reason alone give me derk boogard to take care of this crap.

    i cannot wait to see if the NHL does something about this..i honestly don’t expect much maybe a game or two if that.

    i have to laugh at the media..hardly any bad things to say about this yet they tore gillies of the islanders apart for his actions.

    freakin unreal.

  6. pmaraw says:

    wow, look at that picture….  he’s shoving  the face into the extension.  obvious is still obvious.

  7. CanadienBoy says:

    Teams play by they coaches mentality,Julien keep sending is goons at the end off games all the time ,he is the one letting them play like that.

  8. zaq007 says:

    Still upset about this hit, what adds to it is the fact that so much people are defending it sayong he didn’t know where he was on the ice or it’s the rinks fault…really? urrgg…

  9. Ton says:

    i posted yesterday and provided two video’s that can be slowed down to see how chara was positioned and angled. where his head and sights were aimed at, his arms and how they acted to force Max into the turn buckel.  he wanted to hurt him bottom line, perhaps not kill him, but he wanted to hurt him. bottomline a 5 minute penalty was called, there must be action.  

    On to to Max for their was enough said about the hit………..max has the potential to be a great hab, he could be another Rich Nash, do you see his one timer, for those who play hockey its the most skillful play you make on the ice…..i hope he recovers but the damage will always be there, they say your never the same and this is why we have sick feelings this morning. considering that they had said we were the cheap shot artists yesterday its quite ironic how things were work out………….. 

  10. DearyLeary says:

    Disciplinary hearing at 12 today.  Quick turnaround suggests to me that it’ll be nothing, or a slap on the wrist.

  11. Habsrule1 says:

    I hate the bruins & chara as much as the next guy but I just don’t think he meant for that to happen. I really hope I’m right too.

    Other than that, did anyone else think the White fight was oing to have a huge impact when it happened? I still think it set the tone and made a big difference in the game we wound up seeing.

    After that, the Habs played to their strengths and showed that the last game was a blip on the map.

    It was so frustrating to hear after the last game so many fans and media personalities insinuating that the Habs could not play with the bruins due to the size and toughness difference. I’d be fine wit meeting them in the playoffs this year. The Habs are deeper and every line seems to be contributing a bit more each game.

    Of course, I hope Pacioretty is back if that happens.

    Go Habs Go!! “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  12. DearyLeary says:

    We don’t excuse manslaughter in civil society, why should we excuse reckless play that results in an injury?

  13. Caballero says:

    Oof, lots of heated debates going on. Martin Mcguire believes that Chara has a hard time controlling his emotions and is a danger on the ice because of his size.

    I agree with him on one point, anyone who looks at this and sees a clean hit and nothing there has zero credibility as a human being.

  14. Habsrule1 says:

    I don’t excuse it and I think he should be suspended. It was absolutely reckless and stupid. I just personally do not think it was malicious, but I could be wrong.

    Go Habs Go!! “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  15. Ton says:

    did he take advantage of a player in a vulernable position? yes/no

  16. twocents says:

    Chara had intent to injure. You don’t have to be a mind reader.

    It was an illegal hit(no big deal there) that he finished with gusto. No matter how fast they are going players know where they are on the ice relative to things approaching them. He knew the post was there. There isn’t even the slightest indication that he let off, considering the approaching post. Quite the opposite.

    It’s simple really.

    Those who argue it wasn’t that vicious of hit are skirting the matter. It’s not about how many newtons of force he delivered, it’s about the situation and the fact that even to the last millisecond his body betrayed no attempt to minimize the potential injury.

    His actions and words afterward support this view. 

    If the NHL fails to act decisively, and they likely will, it is truly a sad state of affairs.

  17. Habsrule1 says:

    He should be suspended cause of the recklessness. I’m not sure if there was intent to injure. If this was on the opposite side of the ice, he probably would have made the same play with no result. I don’t know for sure what he was thinking…only he does.

    By the way, the rest of my post was brilliant…comment on that too 😉

    Go Habs Go!! “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  18. adamkennelly says:

    Chara and Julien are so obviously full of crap.  Julien in his interview calling him “the player” HEY COACH – you are trying to tell us you don’t know who that was – you have no idea who is on the ice for the opposition?  you don’t know his name?  Same with Chara.  and I’m sorry but some of the reporters are taking such a pussy stance on this it turns my stomach…same guys who literally were hanging Gilles for what amounts to a kiss on the cheek are saying that they are just not sure on this one.

    grow a set and call it what it was…clear intent to do some damage and send a message, well after the puck was gone that resulted in a severe injury..intent to injure – that would be tough to proove but intent to punish a player with whom you have a prior history in a game that was over – absolutely.

    and all this Chara is not dirty crap – anyone remember when he caved Ivanans face in – in a fight when he played for the Habs – with a cheap shot punch after he was down and defenseless…he is a scumbag.

  19. Habsrule1 says:

    I’m the biggest Habs fan I know, but you have to take emotion out of it. It was not a clean hit due to where he was. Had this happened anywhere else on the ice, there would be no debate. The question is did Chara know exactly what he was doing and intend to hit Max into the end of the glass?

    None of us know that for sure, but it is his responsibility to know his surroundings, so whether or not the hit was malicious, he deserves a suspension for hurting a guy due to his own recklessness.

    I’d be ok with 5-10 games, but I think he’ll get 2.

    Go Habs Go!! “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  20. CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:

    Really sad to see media, especially Habs media, taking such a p_ssy stance on this. Still trying to figure it out. Does it make them feel more objective or something?

  21. Gorges_the_great says:

    I agree that Chara not a generally malicious player (or at least not among the most malicious) and did not want that outcome specifically, but he did want something.

    I think what happened was a confluence of factors. It must have been frustrating for Chara to be down 4-0. It was frustrating to get booed everytime he touched the puck, and Pacioretty has definitely frustrated Chara before. Chara was in a position where his choices were let Pacioretty get by and potentially make the game 5-0 or drive his head into the post. When making a quick decision, frustration can overwhelm you and you can make the wrong choice. Ultimately, Chara made the wrong choice and should now face the consequences of it.

    I would say 5 games minimum although I know that league will be more lenient than I would. It’s kind of strange how we think of 5 games as a big suspension. In the grand scheme of things, especially when compared to dealing with a concussion, 5 games is a drop in the bucket. The NHL needs more perspective on this issue.

  22. Habsrule1 says:

    This is how I feel http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=357203 

    And I wrote what I did below before reading this. Perhaps it’s objectivity, perhaps it’s blindness, but I agree with Bob.

    Go Habs Go!! “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  23. Ton says:

    yes good post but what I got is yes he should be suspended but he didn’t mean to do it……………………….so I asked didchara take advantage of a player in a vulernable position, yes/no. well you didn’t committ but you think that he should be suspended………..i take it its a yes therefore there was intent to injure, of course there was………lets see how the leaque sees it.

  24. twocents says:

    Look at the picture above.

    You and Bob are very wrong.

  25. pmaraw says:
    Darren Dreger
     

    Zdeno Chara will have a phone hearing with the NHL’s Mike Murphy at noon today.
    okay, so no suspension coming, callin campbell cant even make the phone call, must not be too important.
  26. J_P says:

    The photo above shows it all.  You can see chara’s hand pushing paccioretty’s face into the divider.  What makes it even more suspect is the fact that chara is looking forward the whole time, as if to pretend he had no idea what he was doing.

    Such a dispicable act.  Pathetic that he probably wont get any suspension at all because Colin Campbell’s son plays for the bruins.  The ref gave a 5 minute major and game misconduct, so clearly the ref found serious fault in chara’s actions.  Hopefully the league actually grows a pair and responds accordingly. 

    Anyone who thinks the hit was some sort of freak accident needs their head examined.

    As for Chara saying he was simply “jockeying for position”, he’s full of it.  He wasn’t even looking to get the puck and the puck was nowhere near them. 

    Otherwise, HUGE win by the boys.  They’re really bringing it and strengthening their case to be considered legitimate contenders.  Big wins over Tampa and the Bruins back to back.  The habs played THEIR game (not boston’s game) and the bruins had no answer for them as always. Funny how Boston resorts to goon tactics when they’re being dominated, but the habs are the ones who get called a dirty team…

  27. Gorges_the_great says:

    Campbell isn’t allowed to judge on this situation because his son plays for Boston.

  28. Iceberg84 says:

    I don’t think it matters what Chara’s history is like (except to determine a longer punishment I suppose for a repeat offender), when your hit leaves another player unconscious and lying on the ground, something has to be done. His intentions are totally meaningless, he could have wished Pacioretty sunshine and roses for all the good it did anyone, they could have been best buds on their way to a picnic, but after delivering a hit like that, who cares? The NHL should throw the book at Chara, not for the rest of the season but long enough to send a message. He’s a big, scary guy who’s been around long enough to know every inch of a hockey rink, he must have had a strong indication of how point A would reach point C (A being Pac’s head and C being an inanimate object, in this case a metal post).

    Personally, I think if your hit takes a player out for an extended period of time, you should have to be suspended for as long as that player is unable to play, but that’s just my own opinion and obviously not something I consider realisitic in a league like the NHL.

    Aside from that ugliness, I was really happy with the win and jumping for joy until the last 15 seconds of the second, like everyone else. I hope Pacioretty recovers quickly and doesn’t develop bizarre psychic abiltiies, start seeing dead people, foreseeing disastrous events in the future or any other aftereffect of head trauma that TV and film has taught me CAN happen if you’re lucky enough!

  29. HalifaxHabs says:

    agreed… it’s funny, does everyone remeber when those controversial emails we’re leaked where Colen Cambell was saying a ref should be fired for calling penalties on his son… funny how quickly those were swept under the rug by the press.

    can anyone say conflict of interest?

  30. pmaraw says:

    well then he shouldnt be in the position he’s in at all.

  31. Habsrule1 says:

    No way to know if there was intent to injure. Would he have made the exact same play had he been somewhere else on the ice? I think he would have, but that does  not disprove intent either.

    To me it doesn’t matter. He deserves to be suspended because his actions caused a serious injury. If he had checked sopmeone into the boards head first without intent to injure (if that’s possible), he’d be suspended. Same rule applies.

    Go Habs Go!! “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  32. Mark C says:

    A phone hearing means that the suspension, if there is one, will be no more than 5 games. For suspensions more than 5 games a in person meeting is needed.

  33. Willy the bum says:

    Couldn’t sleep last night… that ain’t good, right?

    In all honestly, after that game, I don’t give a crap about the win or wonder if the NHL will do something to Chara or not… all that matter to me and to the fans is to hear a good recovery for Patches.

    Give us the updates soon, please?

  34. McPhee35 says:

    The way I see it, is we only have one outlet to send a message of our own to the NHL,,,

    Join this group: http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-NHL-needs-to-suspend-Chara/116820001726407?sk=wall

    The Power in numbers might mean they have to take severe action.

  35. Psycho29 says:

    Chara can say whatever he wants to the media, like it wasn’t intentional, or he hopes Max will be ok, but you can bet while he was on the team bus before he spoke to the media that someone from the Bruin’s management or his agent told him what to say and how to spin it. It’s called damage control.

    The hit even made the CTV National News at 11:00 last night…

    Will Chara get suspended? I don’t know what to think. If he gets less than 10 games, I will be very disappointed. If he gets anything, I will be very surprised.

     

     

  36. habs365 says:

    if it’s a dirty hit , I agree with you 100%…the player who delivers the hit should be gone as long as the injured player without pay and those type of hit’s would disappear in a hurry…that’s the only way the NHL is gonna get their message across…bettman and campbell if you read this I have two things to say..wake up

  37. Habsrule1 says:

    I prefer a discussion to someone stating I am wrong and they are right. Unless you have mind-reading powers I’m not aware of.

    Bob has been analyzing hockey for a long time. Not to say he can’t be wrong, but it’s not as black and white as you seem to think.

    I really wonder how everyone here would be talking if it was a Habs player who did what Chara did. I know you all think you’d say the same thing, but I doubt it.

    Go Habs Go!! “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  38. Captain aHab says:

    Lost in all this is the fact that JM actually almost showed emotion about the play. The league is bound to fine him. Like Pierre Boivin who called the play disgusting. Wouldn’t want anyone looking like they’d like the league to take some action.

  39. Sudbury Hab Fan says:

    Most definitley a message needs to be sent and  I believe that it has to be done by the fans in support of the sport.  Hit the league where it counts and that is in the pocket book because lets be honest Bettman is a joke and he needs to go.

    I would suggest that if there is little or no action taken on this then people protest by not going to the next Habs home game.  This is not just a problem with Max this is a league problem.  If I remember correctly, both hits on Sidney Crosby were not penalized…BRUTAL. 

    I stopped watching hockey for about 8 years because I was sick and tired of the cheapshots and not getting to watch quality players showing off their skill.  Unfortunately that is about to happen again if something is not done soon.  I am no Mario Lemieux fan, but he certainly has it right…and if it is true, I would love to see him have an opportunity to be Commissioner of the league.

     

  40. Gorges_the_great says:

    Agreed.

  41. Captain aHab says:

    Getting a guy like Boogard would only mean the Habs would end up on the wrong end of most PP opportunities. The best way to do it is to score on the PP when the Bruins goon it up and hope the league eventually gets a clue.

  42. DearyLeary says:

    It’s not just that: this was a penalty no matter where it happened on the ice, it was interference in the best case scenario (not that it would have been called anywhere else on the ice, but that’s another issue).  When a penalty results in injury it has to be met with a response from the league.

    No puck possession, opponent in a vulnerable position, and hands/elbows at head level of the opponent, with extended arms.  It’s a no brainer that this needs to be addressed.  

    But the NHL will pass, saying that Chara’s some kind of saint, and that a match penalty was enough of a punishment.  In the end the NFL, who’s players’ lives are significantly shortened because of the brutality of the sport, probably cares more about its athletes than Gary and the gang.

  43. DearyLeary says:

    This was a penalty no matter where it happened on the ice, it was interference in the best case scenario (not that it would have been called anywhere else on the ice, but that’s another issue).  When a penalty results in injury it has to be met with a response from the league.

    No puck possession, opponent in a vulnerable position, and hands/elbows at head level of the opponent, with extended arms.  It’s a no brainer that this needs to be addressed.  

    But the NHL will pass, saying that Chara’s some kind of saint, and that a match penalty was enough of a punishment.  In the end the NFL, who’s players’ lives are significantly shortened because of the brutality of the sport, probably cares more about its athletes than Gary and the gang.

  44. Ton says:

    perhaps chara should take a walk in st leonard on his next visit, donate as he usually those to local charities in that community. he can show remorse in our kind understanding community.  he will be forgiven……………..trust me…………….we will forgive……..afterall norris trophy winner,  boston man of the year, spokeman for big and tall clothing………….yes we welcome you to st leonard………like Julien said we just don’t know the other side of you…….we understand.

  45. Habsrule1 says:

    I agree 100% with you.

    My only question is whether this was malicious or not, and I don’t think anyone can ever know that for sure….besides chara. How do we decide that we know what someone else was thinking. It’s not as black & white as a stick to the head a la McSorley, in my opinion.

    Beyond that, get him out for a few games to show players that they are responsible for their actions, intentional or not.

    Go Habs Go!! “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  46. zaq007 says:

    Ya just watched ESPN’s opinion on the hit, stuff like that is just wow

  47. Psycho29 says:

    Here’s a quote from the Boston Globe article. Why am I not surprised??

    “Chara is tossed from game, assessed 5:00 for interfence and given a game misconduct. Very questionable call. Hit was without malice. Chara finishes check and Pacioretty unfortunate to hit support beam.”

  48. Mr. Habs says:

    From that picture right there, if Bigfoot doesn’t get 10 plus games then this league is surely BUSH LEAGUE!

  49. Malreg says:

    Mario Lemieux? You mean the guy that writes Matt Cooke’s paychecks? 

    The only interest in hockey Lemieux has is for himself and his own team.  He hardly ever attends any of the league meetings, or participates in the developmental groups that work on bettering the game, but as soon as something happens to his team it’s “I don’t want to be in the league if this is the direction it’s headding in”.  Funny how we didn’t hear him say that when Cooke took out Savard.

  50. McPhee35 says:

    I’m going to try not to get spammy with this link.. but I think we might be able to make a statement to the NHL with a page like this: http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-NHL-needs-to-suspend-Chara/116820001726407?sk=info

  51. twocents says:

    I don’t assume to know if Chara wanted to hurt him as badly as he did, in fact I highly doubt he did.

    But, I am certain he was aware of directing his head to the post.

    THAT WAS his INTENT.

    And that’s enough intent to make this a serious infraction.

    btw, I prefer to think for myself.

  52. blu3chip says:

    I still couldn’t believe that Pronger did that and is still allowed to play in the league.

    NHL is truly a bush league.

  53. Caballero says:

    Let’s be honest, if Gill would have done that to a Boston player, don’t you think they would have destroyed PK or Price?

    When the league doesn’t mete out proper suspensions, it only encourages players to take justice into their own hands. I am personally blown away by the ability of our players to control themselves like professionals. After seeing that hit I probably would have done something equally regrettable with my stick.

  54. Habsrule1 says:

    Habs played their best game of the season and we boycott? That’s not the answer. I hoe Chara gets a few games, but this is not the incident I’d start a boycott over.

    Mario Lemieux? I lost all respect for him. I used to love him. Hespeaks out when he feels his team was wronged. Where was he after all of Matt Cooke’s cheap shots? If he meant what he says, he would have suspendd Cooke himself, regardless of the league’s decision. Instead, Cooke now has the ‘A’ on his jersey!

    What a hypocrite!

    Go Habs Go!! “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  55. Graves says:

    I think the better question is: would Gill ever do that to anyone? All this crap about “oh, it’s just Chara being strong and bigger.” Well, Gill is just about Chara’s size but I’ve never seen him do anything like this. Gah, this just blows.

  56. Habsrule1 says:

    Ok, so you THINK that was his intent. That’s fine. It really doesn’t matter. He should be suspended for the action, whether there was intent or not. It was a reckless action that, in my opinion deserves 5 games or more.

    Unfortunately, he’ll probably only get 2.

    Go Habs Go!! “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  57. mrhabby says:

    iam ranting.


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