And this year’s winner of the Jaro Halak Trophy is …

4746502

Sergei Kostitsyn began the game with Mike Fisher and Patric Hornqvist but finished it with David Legwand and Ward.

Christopher Higgins played on Vancouver’s best line, with the great Ryan Kesler (two goals, six hits, 21-5 on faceoffs!) and speedy Mason Raymond.

Maxim Lapierre played mostly with Jannik Hansen and Raffi Torres but spent the third period on the bench as Vancouver needed goals.

•  •  •

Happy birthday, Lars Eller.

A favourite of HIO and Arpon Basu, number 81 is 22 today.

Two things you didn’t know about Eller:

• Eller is married.

• He hates being called “Larry”, so his teammates do it all the time.

A note on rink announcers: Can you imagine Michel Lacroix yelling “Wooo!” after Canadiens goals at the Bell Centre?

It’s bad enough the guy does it in Boston, but Vancouver?

Pathetic.

Canucks pain self-inflicted

Patrice Bergeron mildly concussed

Bergenheim’s hot postseason

The Yzerman effect

Photo by Andy Clark/Reuters

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  10. rocketsglare says:

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  11. king ddd says:

    I dont know if wings will be able to win this series, but pavel datsyuk is the best player in the NHL. hell hes just there behind sid as the best player. everyone talks about OV. but datsyuk is way better

  12. CHsam says:

    Datsyuk. He makes it look so easy. Ugh.
    Wish we had him

  13. HabFanSince72 says:

    Datsyuk is one heck of a player.

  14. Everlasting1 says:

    There we go lol

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    Elohim:”Let us make an Adam in our image and after our likeness.” – Genesis 1:26

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

  15. Everlasting1 says:

    Hella impressed by SJS’s play. Expected this from Det.

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    Elohim:”Let us make an Adam in our image and after our likeness.” – Genesis 1:26

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

  16. Everlasting1 says:

    Sweet. The Lakers swept by the Mavs, and sending Phil Jackson (and his so-called winning philosophy) into retirement once again, along with a $35,000 slap for his remarks.

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    Elohim:”Let us make an Adam in our image and after our likeness.” – Genesis 1:26

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

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  18. HabFanSince72 says:

    Reasons to pull for San Jose:

    1. They did not tank to build their team. They are a combination of great drafting (Clowe, Couture, Setoguchi, Pavelski, etc …) and clever trades (Thornton, Heatley, Boyle), with the odd free agent thrown in (Niemi whom nobody wanted).

    2. They have three Montrealers on the team (Mitchell, Vlasic, Demers).

    3. Northern California is pretty cool.

    4. If they win then Boston didn’t.

    5. They play attractive clean hockey.

    6. Maybe they win at the Boston Garden with Joe Thornton lifting the cup.

  19. habs365 says:

    all we can do is wait till october and hope we have a better scoring team other than that, we have a good team here..I don’t know what all the fuss is about. pick up a couple or three forwards that can score and we’ll be just fine..How easy that will be I don’t know and it might not happen. should that be the case the teams in the 9 to 12 spot this year will improve and who knows if the Habs will even make the 8th spot. we’ll just have to wait and see how it all pans out…..

    • Clay says:

      Why are we honoring this guy? Has the world run out of people?
      I agree with him on this issue, but he is still the worst POS to play the game. Here’s hoping he just fades away.

      __________________________
      The only interesting answers are those which destroy the questions. ~Susan Sontag

      • SeriousFan09 says:

        Not even close Clay, Avery may be a superpest on the ice but he has generally avoided the nasty hits in his career and does answer the bell to fight.

        Matt Cooke and his ilk are the real plague on the ice.

        – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

      • Exit716 says:

        I’ll take Avery and his convictions and courage over hypocrites like Andrew Ference any day.

        • HabFanSince72 says:

          Before we get carried away, Sean Avery has made a number of bigoted and sexist statements in his career. The fact that he isn’t also a homophobe is hardly evidence that he’s a good guy.

          • thebigguy says:

            Considering he’s one of a handful of hockey players that have come out in support of gay rights, he should be applauded for this move.

      • The Cat says:

        Everything Avery does he does it for PR or attention, look at him like he is marketing himself.

        [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  20. HabsFanInVictoria says:

    @ Boone: I understand that it is the offseason, but why should we care what Chris Higgins, Max Lapierre, and Sergei Kostitsyn are doing after each game they play?

    Writing about how they’re doing once is enough. Writing about how they’re doing twice, is too much. Continually writing about them is borderline obsessive. They’re gone now, and i’m happy they’re in the playoffs and going on a deep run, but they’re not Montreal Canadiens. Why are they getting so much attention?

    • Bill says:

      Well, if there were any Canadiens news I’m sure he’d pass it on. Doubt he’s holding out on us!

      In the absence of Habs stuff, he’s passing on general hockey news and comments about ex-Habs. I need something to read about, so I’m happy.

      Anyway, discussion of ex-Habs is always a much-discussed topic on HIO, wouldn’t you say?

      Full Breezer 4 Life

      • Bob_Sacamano says:

        Well, there is: Plekanec had a good game today against Russia, 1 goal, 1 assist. AK 46 (actually AK 23 at the moment) scored twice and added an assist for Belarus…

        • SeriousFan09 says:

          Against Slovenia and Anze Kopitar wasn’t even playing, that country has fewer registered hockey players than there are NHL players.

          – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

          • Bob_Sacamano says:

            So what? 2 goals and an assist are still two goals and an assist…
            Slovenia also had a very good tournament for such a small country. Slovakia and Russia both had a lot of problems with them and Germany (after wins against Russia and Slovakia) needed the shootout to beat them.

          • Danno says:

            I still can’t comment on HIO How come?

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  21. HabFarmer says:

    Seriousfan, you took the words right out of my mouth. But thankfully it wasn’t while you were kissing me…. .

  22. PrimeTime says:

    Haven’t commented on here for a bit as the aftermath of being eliminated usually invites comments out anger and jealousy….useless emotions. However, need to say that a GM should have a strategy to forfeit seasons to gain high draft picks is totally out of character of a progressive build. It would be a huge gamble that is more likely to fail than succeed. If this was the a sure bet strategy then every team not likely to win would do the same and January to April would be a contest of losing except the 6 or so teams that feel can win. Wow, wouldn’t that make for a great league!! A well managed organization is always 2 or 3 players away from winning. Most Hab fans will agree that has been the case in MTL for last few seasons. Balance of core players and the annual development of younger players is the goal. You become more competitive when the core players play as expected (not the case with MTL this year) and the younger players delelop quicker than expected (certainly the case with MTL this year…MaxPac, PK, Eller, Price, DD). So correcting this balance is the strategy a GM should excercise annually, win or lose. In the end the organization that can best manage doing so year in and year out will always have a chance to win without the need to “fail” for successive seasons in a desire to start over. As a fan I prefer to be in the upper ranks with other teams that are missing a piece or two as opposed to those teams that need to fail to try and get to that echelon. The rest is execution of good coaching and players becoming a “team” and getting hot at the right time. We aren’t as far away or as bad as the angry fans believe.

  23. Bugs says:

    Glad to see I ain’t the only one who finds the “peeoooo” thing in Couver so weak that, in my opinion, it undermines their over-all understanding of the game, if I may be so bold.
    Also, their anthem-singer lettin the crowd do half the work; does he get half the paycheck, the lazy sod?
    Weakness; can’t get behind’em for that.
    Last thing: 31 saves in an elimination game gets you the Halak Trophy? Next year, I suppose some cat needs make only 15 to get the Rinne Trophy then? How does that work?
    Very last thing: “Thor” was fun. Scene where Odin casts him out is sensational; check out the look on Thor’s face when he realizes he just done gone messed up real bad. Only critique (considering nature of flick): Funny fish-outta-water moments so good, it’s kinda disappointing there weren’t more of’em in there.
    Love him walking down the middle of the street without a care in the world…as if a god or something.

    Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

    • Everlasting1 says:

      Thor was aaight .. but seriously, how does an asian and a nigerian warrior fit into the whole norsemen/viking myth? Are casting agencies so pressured by society to represent other ethnic races so as not to appear discriminating, regardless of the historical/cultural context? It’s (deleted).

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      Elohim:”Let us make an Adam in our image and after our likeness.” – Genesis 1:26

      “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

      • SeriousFan09 says:

        Well by extension, whoever said all these godlike beings were White to begin with? Jesus is apparently a white guy going by cultural representations of him, even though he was born in the Middle East. How that works out I have no idea.

        – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

        • Everlasting1 says:

          There’s a distinction when talking about a myth/lore originating from a Scandinavian culture. If one doesn’t look the part it’s completely inappropriate to the theme/context.
          Jesus has been depicted as looking close enough to an israeli to me.

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          Elohim:”Let us make an Adam in our image and after our likeness.” – Genesis 1:26

          “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

      • Bugs says:

        Funny that this wasn’t an issue in making Thor BLOND, when in fact, everyone knows he’s a red-head…
        I mean, who’s to say any Norsemen actually SAW any of these gods in the first place? They mighta been purple for all we know and the Norse just colored them in. That’s just as possible as anything else, no?
        Comic book licence, baby.

        Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

        • Everlasting1 says:

          I’d shudder to think who you would cast to play Zeus in a Greek myth flick. Denzel Washington? A dye job just wouldn’t cut it.

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          Elohim:”Let us make an Adam in our image and after our likeness.” – Genesis 1:26

          “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

          • Bugs says:

            Why not? Why is this a big deal? I think Denzel would make a bitchin Zeus. Sam Jackson sure did. (if you catch the reference)
            It’s cool that, again, you gloss over Thor being blond instead of a carrot-top because somehow, totally different complexion is totally different from totally different pigmentation when in fact, one has as much bearing as the other, but whatever…
            I think it’s a BRILLIANT move from the COMIC BOOK industry to get ALL the kids ALL over the world to find someone they can relate to in their…COMIC BOOKS.
            They made Nick Fury black. And he’s as much invention as Zeus is, no?
            No one is being insulted, I think, Evie. Ask Saku Koivu. Ask Teemu Selanne. Ask’em if they’re insulted not all their Norse gods are portrayed as blue-eyed Aryans in this…COMIC BOOK adaptation…for kids.
            What do you think they would say?

            My god, why am I arguing this? What time is it? Oh my g…
            I’m out.

            Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

          • Everlasting1 says:

            The Aussie actor is a red-head? OMG they dyed his hair to make him look the part!? Who cares..it’s not a stretch.
            When one imagines historic viking voyages sailing the icy seas off the coast of Iceland, they may find inspiration from their gods, Odin, Thor, Freda, Skadi..not friggin’ brother Jamaal and Cheng Tsu Ming. It’s silly. It might fly with you and today’s comic book enthusiast, but not me. Call me a stickler for valuing things like tradition, cultural identity and individuality.

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            Elohim:”Let us make an Adam in our image and after our likeness.” – Genesis 1:26

            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    • Storm Man says:

      Told you it was going to be a good movie.. I would have liked to see the look on your face after you watched it :P.

  24. Mattyleg says:

    All the people who are so upset with JM’s sytem really make me laugh.
    It’s pretty clear that they just don’t understand it. There is no ‘score 1 goal and hang on’ in JM’s system. Yes, it promotes strong defence, but it’s hardly Lemaire’s style.

    And for those of you looking for ‘entertainment’ (a term that I hate; look what it’s done to the NHL: announcers shouting ‘woo!’, music blasting when the home team should be taunting the opposition goalie, etc etc…), would you prefer… oh, I don’t know… the Capitals, who’ve decided for a second year straight that defence and goaltending are not important? Or how about the Rangers? Keep attacking!! We’ll score more than them!!

    When we played JM’s system in the first two games against Boston, they didn’t have a response. And the same people who are on here whining were the ones singing JM’s praises. (*cue incensed shouts of “I never!!” “Not me!!”*) When we took the first two periods off in game 3, we let the Bs back in.

    A coach who finishes in the bottom three with a decent team is no good. A coach who finishes in the playoffs despite missing a giant chunk of talent on his team is good.

    …and for those of you who are upset with ‘mediocrity’, I didn’t think anything about the last series was mediocre. Apart from the support of certain fans of the CH.
    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • habs001 says:

      the habs have 7-8 forwards in the lineup most nights that have very limited scoring ability so the system employed by martin gives the team best chance to win.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Actually, the Rangers are also a defensively minded team.

      JM’s system is boring. It’s effective – to a point – but his emphasis on not making mistakes rather than on attacking with verve, his benching of young players every time they make a bad decision, his bizarre need to have a grinder on every line, lead to dull hockey.

      It’s also against the ethos of the Montreal Canadiens.

      I enjoyed the team a lot more in 2007-2008, when we were the top scoring team in the league.

    • habstrinifan says:

      Call or describe it what and how you will. The fundamental characteristics of JM’S system when followed to obsession is at the very least risky and in the long run self defeating.

      And if not modified over the next two years of JM’S tenure here in Montreal, it will emaciate the offensive skillset of players.

      Bottom line is that the HABS must rise from the depths of the league in 5-on-5 scoring. Whether it is JM’s system solely to blame, or the lack of talent (as JM seems to have said in his year ending interview with Tony Marinaro from team 990).. or BOTH, this deficiency has to be addressed.

  25. habs365 says:

    Happy Mothers Day to all the MOMS who work so hard to see their kids succeed…..

  26. gmd says:

    The Vancouver organization and fans lack imagination and class when it comes to coming up with their own ideas. Here’s a sampling:

    Boone mentions the yelling of “Whoo!” after goals, stolen from Boston.

    The “Seventh Man”, refering to the fans as being the seventh man. Stolen from the Seattle Seahawks “Twelfth Man”

    Fans spilling out into the streets after beating Chicago chanting “Ole Ole”. Stolen from Montreal.

    And the worst, unretiring jersey #11 of Wayne Maki, who died of brain cancer in 1974, and letting Mark Messier have it when he came to the Canucks.

    I also find the “Louuuu” that the fans yell after every Luongo save, even shots that my grandmother could save, to be highly annoying.

  27. habs365 says:

    If PG is smart here’s the forwards he’d be going after this summer
    maybe we could afford three of them depending on what we have for cap and what we can spend
    #1. Jussi Jokinen – $ 1,700,000
    #2. Laich – $ 2,067,000
    #3. Ville Leino – $ 800,000
    #4. Tomas Fleishman – $2,600,000
    This would depend on letting go 4 or 5 of our bottom eight
    just a thought, don’t know if this is possible or not.

    • habstrinifan says:

      #1. Jussi Jokinen – $ 1,700,000.. no thanks.
      #2. Laich – $ 2,067,000
      #3. Ville Leino – $ 800,000
      #4. Tomas Fleishman –

      Hope you dont mind me disagreeing with HABS acquiring any of those players except for maybe Laich as a complement to get us bigger.

      I checked the other players career stats and I do not see any huge improvement in them being on the team.

      But maybe you have followed them more closely. I just feel we need bigger and tougher and players who can change this team’s offense NOW.

      With the group of young very good players the HABS have now they must strike within the next two years before either a) our youth upside is gone through injury, motivation or cap issues or b)some other team puts the pieces together and assembles a power-house.

      This year for instance the CUP race is really wide open (despite the regular season performance of some teams) and if we had just got by Boston and had added a little more grit and size and scoring during the season and adjusted JM’S SYSTEM somewhat the Habs could have been in the MIX. The one thing we have which other teams dont seem to match in the next two years is consistently above average goaltending.

      • habs365 says:

        habstrinifan: Don’t mind you disagreeing with me at all, everyone has an opinion, you don’t want small players, myself if you can put up points I don’t care if you’re 5.07 or 6.07–180 lbs or 220 lbs being able to contribute is what counts. a big guy 6.03-218lbs puts up very few points a marty st. Louis 5.08–176 lbs puts up 99 pts in 82 games who would you take, I know who I would take in the last 8 years he’s never been under 60 points that’s not too bad for a little guy..so it depends on how you look at it
        as long as we can win a cup ever so often that’s good enough for me. the days of winning a cup 3 or 4 years in a row is gone and with this cap thing may never return…….

        • habstrinifan says:

          “as long as we can win a cup ever so often that’s good enough for me. the days of winning a cup 3 or 4 years in a row is gone and with this cap thing may never return”… Enuff said my fellow habs fan. Putting together the team to do it is at best a game of making ‘educated guesses on players’. So I will sit on the sidelines with you and hope that they can do so soon.
          Till then it’s fun being here in HIO with fans like you sharing opinions.

    • issie74 says:

      I am so happy you are not the GM.

    • Duracell3 says:

      We probably already have our top 6 in Plek-Cammy-Ak46 (RFA) and Gomez-Gio-Patchs(RFA). JM doesn’t seem to care about scoring goals consistently anyways, expect more of the same.

  28. punkster says:

    All the talk about Stevie Y, Boucher, the St. Louis/Vinny/Stamkos powerhouse and a Roly Goalie who has found his game is nothing but that…talk.

    It’s obvious why the Bolts are boppin’. It’s the MAB factor.

    ***Subbang Baby!!!***

  29. HardHabits says:

    I hope Tampa Bay wins the Cup. Why? Because Boucher’s 1-3-1 has dismantled the system twice already. Both Pittsburgh and Washington were supposedly playing a more defensive oriented system given their collective ousters last play-offs. Both those teams learned from Martin. Well now they’ve learned from Boucher.

    I hate JM’s system. I can’t stand watching the Habs get a 1 goal lead and play the rest of the game trying to protect it. I like a team that when leading goes out and gets another goal.

    I also want the Bolts to win because they had consecutive 2nd over-all picks at the draft and that IMO is another criteria to winning a Cup.

    That is what the Habs need. More offence and some high draft picks. Otherwise I fear it’ll more of the same. Middle of the pack for eternity with nary a Cup in sight.

    • habstrinifan says:

      Love your arguments. I like that Washington’s adoption of JM’s SYSTEM and he mental imposition of ‘dumb-it-down’ guys it places on elite skills has gone down to defeat at the hands of a more comprehensive style of hockey.

    • punkster says:

      Ya, something to look forward to. A few years of bottom of the league finishes, 82 games with little or no entertainment value, declining interest in the team, reduced attendance at the gate, all to pick up a couple of high draft picks who might, maybe, possibly be ready to play in the NHL in a couple more years and who might, maybe, possibly have an impact.

      Ya, something to look forward to for sure.

      ***Subbang Baby!!!***

      • HardHabits says:

        As opposed to….

        20 more years of middle of the pack finishes, 82 games with little or no entertainment value, a continued interest in the team because the fans buy the lie, yes a full house every night, in a season that’s all for a couple of home play-off games, some extra money in the first round, and possibly the 2nd, but never a team ready or capable to grind it out for the 4 rounds that make it to the Stanley Cup Finals let alone have the talent to actually be the winner in the contest as opposed to being the also ran, as is usually if not always the case for the seed who get’s there out of the top 5 teams in the league. So strap yourselves to your seats because there wont be a need to get out of them and get ready for more of the same… a pretty decent team that competes night in and night out, has a respectable record in the regular season, as they always play better than the prognosticators indicate, and after over achieving year in and year out and we praise their gutsiness for eking it out through all the adversity and somehow prove everybody wrong and make it into the play-offs we get to have our hopes dashed time and again as we watch the team eventually fold along the way. Same old song and dance.

        …. something to look forward to, indeed.

        :p

        • punkster says:

          Wait…your entire assumption of “pretty decent team…” etc is really only based on the team we’ve seen over the past two seasons. The teams prior to this going back to 1993 were pretty damn lousy and that ’93 team was a pretty big surprise in the end. None of those teams could be classed as anywhere near “pretty decent”. We haven’t been as excited about the Habs for years as we were the past couple of seasons.

          I see an organization that is not satisfied with bottom dwelling status, that performed a major overhaul two summers ago and that is still not finished with their rebuild. They have a healthy mix of young, talented linchpin players and experienced vets. They have excellent special team skills and goal tending, good defence, experienced coaching and management and a healthy and vibrant fan base. They lack scoring punch in whatever size form people may envision (behemoths or shrimps).

          Glass half full over here, HH. Stay the course. A thousand points of light. ;)

          Edit: …and it’s Mother’s Day so I’ll pick this up later

          ***Subbang Baby!!!***

        • SeriousFan09 says:

          I’m getting tired of these Habs getting lumped in with the mid-90s to early 2000s Habs. This is not the same crew, not by a long shot. It’s not the same management and we’ve got a better future in the farm system than we’ve seen in a good while. A solid 2011 draft and we’re further ahead.

          This is not to say I won’t flip if the Habs bungle the 2011 draft, can’t afford to start whiffing after the solid selections in the last 2 years, need to keep building on it.

          – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

        • NoTinFoilCups says:

          Rather than tank for draft choices our goal should be to finish in the top four of the conference every year like the Red Wings. They are proof that it can be done with good management, coaching and scouting. It doesn’t have to be the same old song and dance. Looking at the young players we have coming along I believe we are on track to do this. We need to become the organization that is emulated.

          Tanking for draft picks projects an organization with a loser mentality and does not guarantee success. It is not the strategy of a class organization.

          • HardHabits says:

            The biggest crock I ever heard in my life. Detroit is an anomaly in the league. One team in 30. 1 in 10 in the last 10 years that made it without being an expansion team, relocation or team that depended on high draft picks. They are also a team getting very old and thin in the prospect department. Let’s see what they do in the future. Once Lidstromm retires and Zetterberg and Datsyuk age don’t be surprised if you see Detroit at the bottom of the standings. For a few years. Then watch as they become another powerhouse and the classy Habs are still fighting for that elusive 8th spot in the Conference.

        • issie74 says:

          Don’t knock it….it pays for T.B who will….lose a whopping 30mil.this year…in spite of the playoff run…Atlanta who have no idea where they will be playing in 2011-2012….Florida Panthers,Nashville Predators who don’t even reach the floor …and don’t even get me started on Phoenix…Montreal,Toronto,Calgary,N.Y pay for all the junk teams in this league…Mr Jeremy Jacobs and his sidekick Bettman have decided…this is the way to go.

    • pat s says:

      pouliot gets into fight against ferrence, he gets a minor penality added and what happens, you don’t see him anymore–why b/c JM doesn’t like that tyoe of hockey–here the habs were asleep and all he is trying to do is get the team going, showing the team we need to go to war to win this series and he gets benched for it–unbelievable–thats what i mean by having a pretty boys team

      contrary, boucher in an interview after game 3 where they have a 3-0 lead in the series and he tells the reporter “we need to reload, and get back on the ice asap b/c we have done nothing yet, unti we win the series we have not accomplished anything”–thats a leader where players get inspired, they want to play for you

      i just don’t see that eye of the tiger, that ambition to win at all costs by the hab’s managemnt–the data speaks for itself

      • issie74 says:

        J.M dosen’t even call the refs to the bench when they make a mistakethem explain a mistake ,he just shrugs it off. Now and again the players benefit from knowing the coach has an opinion on what is happening out there and voices it and I don’t mean he has to fire F…bombs like some other guys who I will not mention,I know that is not his style but a conversation once in a while would help.

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      Didn’t hurt two of the five best skaters in the world were missing in PIT-TB. You can play defence but if you can’t hit the back of the net you have issues, as MTL proved these playoffs with a lack of finish in many cases, as Chara managed to make sure BOS’s worst enemy in Patches was not fit to play. Washington, I said last year, and in the middle of the year, Boudreau had to go for WSH to move forward.

      High picks! Of course! How obvious, because the Thrashers, Islanders, Jackets, Wild, Panthers are all lining up for big Cup Runs in the next little while. Or not, they’ve been struggling for relevancy either b/c their high picks did not pan out or just weren’t good enough.

      If TBL didn’t get 1st overall in 1998, they’d not have had Vinny, they’d have had David Legwand, or Brad Stuart, or Bryan Allen, oops. If Atlanta had sucked a little more in 2008, maybe they manage to get 1st overall instead and draft Steve Stamkos, look at how towards of the year, how blatantly Colorado went for the tank by giving away Craig Anderson for peanuts for Bryan Elliott, put themselves in for 3rd overall in the draft again, much to the chagrin of the Sens who suffered twice with NJ winning the Draft lottery to go to 4th overall. Look at 2007, Chicago wins the draft lottery, instead of being in line to grab JVR or Kane (because they were 1-2) Phoenix had to take Kyle Turris and LAK were stuck with Thomas Hickey, still yet to play in the NHL. 2004, WSH wins the draft lottery to get Ovie, Pens ‘settle’ for Malkin, than CHI stuck with Cam Barker, Carolina with Andrew Ladd and Phoenix gets Blake Wheeler (Who’s about the greediest prospect you’ll ever read about, didn’t like his EL contract so he broke connections with PHX to sign with BOS).

      Montreal CAN NOT tank. Do you think Carey Price, P.K. Subban and Max Pacioretty, our top 3 in the youth are going to put up with the Habs intentionally losing for 3-4 seasons? These are proud guys, what do you think Price is going to feel about a management group that sends him out to get picked apart night after night, Pacioretty and Subban by themselves because the roster is empty? I’m sure Subban doesn’t mind the spotlight but 30 minutes a night and he has to do everything? Patches with 3rd-line talent each year? Not everyone has the patience of a saint like Saku Koivu did. They need to draft very intelligently right now, but they can’t tank if they want this core. It would have one thing if they tanked in 2008 and 2009 as these guys were coming around and up, but now that they’re here, I don’t see it. They wouldn’t tolerate being sent out to lose and I wouldn’t blame them.

      – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

      • HardHabits says:

        Look at the last 3 years alone: Taylor Hall, Tyler Seguin, Jeff Skinner, Nino Niederreiter, Cam Fowler, John Tavares, Victor Hedman, Matt Duchene, Evander Kane, Brayden Schenn, Oliver Ekman-Larsson, Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson, Nazem Kadri, Dmitri Kulikov, Steven Stamkos, Drew Doughty, Zach Bogosian. Not much in the top 10. Nope. Nothing there the last 3 years.

        Lets look at the Habs last 5 years drafting.

        2010 the Habs had 2 prospects worth mentioning – Tinordi and Gallagher (=super smurf); both are far from the NHL and it’s no guarantee either makes it.

        2009 Habs get Leblanc, a potential 3rd or 4th line centre albeit 6 feet and French but needs to fill out. He could possibly be a good defensive forward 2nd line centre though. Like the Habs haven’t had a bunch of those. Who else that year? Alexander Avtsin! Unremarkable 1st year in the AHL to say the least. Gariel Dumont = Height 5’9″ – Weight 170lbs. Another ultra smurf.

        Habs first pick in 2008 was 56th. Danny Kristo. 56th!!!!! That whole year was a bust.

        2007. First the bad news. Ryan McDonagh = Gomez. Ouch!!!!
        Now for a change, the good news now: Lars Eller (from the Halak trade), Max Pacioretty, P.K. Subban, Aaron Palushaj (via trade), Yannick Weber

        2006. Ryan White. That’s it folks. Ryan White.

        2005. Carey Price. Benoit Pouliot for Guillaume Latendresse, Sergei Kostitsyn lost for Dustin Boyd (2004 draft), Matt D’Agostini gone for Aaron Palushaj.

        Apart from Price the Habs have one good graduating year in 5 to speak of. That’s not enough. Worst the Habs continue trading picks for rentals. At least the Molsons got the gate from 3 home games these play-offs.

        The Habs are not doing that well at the draft and they are still missing that blue chip young forward. Pacioretty is not enough.

        We’ll see what the future brings but the bottom line is Tampa is in it today with Hedman and Stamkos playing major roles, as opposed to the Habs with PK and Price.

        • SeriousFan09 says:

          Not one ounce of proof Kadri, Paarjarvi, Ekman-Larsson, Bogosian, Niederreiter, Schenn will become game-breakers. They could be good players, but they might bust out as well in a few years, Bogosian is seriously knocked for his smarts as a player and he was ONE pick behind Drew Doughty, that is the Talent Gap in the Draft, think about that! Look at the guys who aren’t going anywhere as well or don’t look to be in Filatov, Boedker, Beach, Glennie, Cowen and plenty of others.

          2010: Evaluating a draft crop not even 2 years after the fact is pretty short-sighted.

          2009: We don’t know Leblanc’s ceiling, he could be a solid winger in the Top-6, we didn’t even see the guy at his best for most of the year because of the bad shoulder he played through for months, including the WJC when he was still one of Canada’s better players. Avtsin’s numbers are pretty close to Andrei Kostitsyn’s 1st-year AHL numbers and AK wasn’t injured twice in his rookie year. Mac Bennett had a good opening season on a University of Michigan team that’s loaded and is hard for rookies to break into. Dumont was a 5th-rounder, it was either take a small guy with hands, or a big man who probably couldn’t skate or pass a puck.

          2008: I agree, let’s fire the scouting department for picking Steve Quailer, who had a good rookie season than that damn Trevor Timmins sneaked up behind him and busted his ACL, what a jackass! This is like hating on Chipchura for never really recovering from his achilles tendon injury.

          2006: No dispute that year sucked.

          2005: Do people still miss that heartless sack of poutine grease Guimauve? D’Agostini has a lot left to prove, but agree SK seems like a definite mistake.

          We can’t CALL the graduating groups of 2008, 2009 and 2010 dead fish just yet. Not w/o lottery picks that would have meant instant results. I don’t know why I have to keep explaining to people that you can’t just set a draft group on fire 2 years after the fact if you don’t llike that there are no NHL players from it. Wasn’t Pacioretty a bust last year? You draft typically for players you need in 3-5 years. Last time I checked, plenty of time for the 2008, 2009 and 2010 selectees to show what they have.

          – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

        • issie74 says:

          Yes,we have all read Pierre McGuire too.

  30. New says:

    Yzerman deserves full credit. Two thirds of that team is new and they get to the third round much like the Habs last year. Mind you (I can’t help it:) the Habs did that without ever having Lecavalier, St Louis, Hedman or a high pick like Stamkos. They both had MAB who we all agree sucks but somehow wins:-)

    I seem to recall everyone asking what the Bolts would do for defence over last summer. They are doing ok. Almost like pro athletes, using their skills and following the coaching teams direction, can achieve beyond what fans and media expect.

    I can only sit in awe wondering what they could accomplish with Gomez on the Boucher team.

    • habstrinifan says:

      “Yzerman deserves full credit.” I agree. His impact is not only his work as a GM. I am sure that his advice to Boucher who seems like a confident enough man to seek and take advice, has been huge this year and throught the playoffs so far.

      Not the least of which is Yzerman’s demeanour. He looks like the type who can quell any panic by just king into a room.

  31. slychard says:

    Happy bray Lars, I don’t blame him for hating the name Larry, in my circle it’s a code name for a moron as in “what a Larry”

  32. eric says:

    Max Pac will be our version of Ryan Kesler

    • Mike Boone says:

      In your dreams. I’d settle for the Canadiens’ version of Erik Cole.

      Mike Boone
      Hockey Inside/Out blogger
      Gazette City columnist
      mboone@montrealgazette.com

      • habstrinifan says:

        WOW Boone you think Max Pac’s potential falls that short of Kesler?

        Kesler’s best numbers have been in the 30 goals/75 points range. If healthy Max Pac has the same potential. They were drafted around the same spot in their draft years, are almost identical in size and weight and Max Pac is 4 yrs younger. Also consider that in 37 games Max Pac had half the goals total of Kesler playing under JM’s system.

        Max Pac seems faster and may end up to be more of a physical force… providing he fully recovers(including mentally).

        I think the evaluation Eric made is more valid than you are giving credit for.

        • SeriousFan09 says:

          Kesler is a more complete player, the jackass that he is, he’s more well-rounded is a C that can win faceoffs reliably and is in the running quite rightly for his first Selke trophy.

          If we want Pacioretty comparisons, I’d say we could have someone closer to the Bobby Ryan, Johan Franzen mold, strong skating mixed with grit and a nose for the net.

          – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

          • habstrinifan says:

            You sir are correct! Kesler is the more complete player, as you alluded to by his Selke consideration. I dont think we are disagreeing on their specific strongsuits. My reply was really a quick response to Boone’s “in your dreams” phrase. I thought it too much downplayed the ‘upside’ of Max Pac, which, if achieved, will more than equal Kesler’s in the areas you highlighted as Max Pac’s strongsuits. I also think that Max Pac, based on his strong character displayed in his rejuvenation from Hamilton and his determined play, will be a leader on this team, not to wear the C but to push the team on the ICE.

            By the way thank you for your continuing updates re the ‘prospects’.

      • _Habsoloutly_ says:

        Settle for Erik Cole? Setting your standards a little low there Boone? Cole was never the same player after that hit. Hopefully considering Max’s age he can still have a productive career.

      • issie74 says:

        You have been wrong too Boone.

  33. Jaro Halak Trophy? Or do you mean the Steve Penny trophy? Maybe the Michael Leighton trophy? If there’s a trophy for carrying a team to the playoffs and then sucking the death right out of his next season then they can call it the Halak Trophy. That guy was pulled more times than red neck stuck in the mud. His backup at the Worlds had a better season.

    Sign Price long term before Philly offers him 8 million (if they could), Montreal will never match that, sigh.

    Shane Oliver
    http://www.Sholi2000.com
    Brandon, MB,Canada
    R7B 2R7
    hockey@sholi2000.com
    Ph- 204 724 8418

    • ManApart says:

      Halak is the only goalie since Roy, who actually played like a playoff goalie for this team. Gave us the only excitement we’ve really had in almost 2 decades. He actually played pretty well, for the Blues considering their situation. I reckon that he/they will be doing a lot better this season, as they will be healthy.

      • ZepFan2 says:

        Really?

        Sounds familiar

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      • SeriousFan09 says:

        Of course, of St. Louis has injuries, excuse their crap performances but if MTL has them well too bad, the team sucks and would have sucked even if everyone was healthy.

        Price was one of the best in the league this season with poor play from some of his teammates and core players injured all year. STL scored 24 more goals than MTL did this season, imagine what Price might have done with 240 in goals support. Perhaps a NE Title.

        – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

        • ManApart says:

          St. Louis’ injuries were 10 times worse than the Habs had. I usually don’t like that excuse, but in St Louis’ case, it must be taken into consideration. When St. Louis was healthy at the beginning and end of the season, they and Halak were top notch.

          • saskhabfan says:

            LMFAO yet again,the blues injuries were 10 times worse and must be taken into consideration?? Would you be saying the same thing if those injured players were playing for the habs? Of course you wouldn’t. God it must hurt you so bad that i make you look like an imcompetent putz on a daily basis.

      • saskhabfan says:

        LMFAO,everytime somebody mentions a hab injury you say its a lame excuse. Now you use it as an excuse for halak’s awful play with the blues????? LMAO. As usual, no credibility or consistency. Now you see why you are considered such a joke. Ah man,you just make it so easy for me to make you look so stupid on a daily basis.

    • Tony McLean says:

      Garbage as usual.

      Props to “Canadiens South.” Away les boys!

    • issie74 says:

      Jaro Halak Trophy…someone is joking.

  34. Mike D says:

    I lost some respect for the Sedins over these playoffs. They’ve got skill out the wazoo no doubt, and both are certainly capable of putting up 100 pts. a year, but they don’t have that winning attitude/heart, and the extra gear come playoff time.

    During the VAN-CHI series, one of the CBC guys was interviewing Henrik (I believe) after the game or before OT and asked him about the shot and goal Stallberg scored for CHI to either win or tie the game. Henrik’s reply was, “That was a good shot. He’s a swede, of course he has a great shot!” I was baffled that the captain of a team would say that after a loss or a blown lead that sent his team to overtime (VAN ultimately lost that game). The idiot takes a second to rave about a fellow countryman’s hockey prowess, even though it cost his own team. Can you imagine Sid Crosby saying “He’s a Canadian, of course he’s got a great shot!” after a loss or a devastating goal against, or Kesler saying the same about an American player. That would NEVER happen. God forbid a Habs player should ever do that as they’d be crucified in the media for sure.

    – Honestly yours

    • It’s very hard for these guys to play in the playoffs when their country is playing for the Worlds. Look at OV and the Caps. His team gets knocked out and he’s on the first flight to Europe.

      Shane Oliver
      http://www.Sholi2000.com
      Brandon, MB,Canada
      R7B 2R7
      hockey@sholi2000.com
      Ph- 204 724 8418

      • ManApart says:

        Uh, is he supposed to wait for the 10th flight and then go?

      • SeriousFan09 says:

        That’s very respectable, he could say no, he knows the Worlds aren’t even close to the Cup in terms of competition but he does so anyway to help his national team out when they’re stuck trawling for best available talent.

        Alexander Ovechkin has scored 25 goals in 37 career playoff games and 50 points total. He’s had a knee injury since March as well. Never been below PPG in the NHL playoffs, not his fault his team basically waits on him to carry their asses each year, save Swedish Nicklas Backstrom nearly killing us last year in the first 5 games.

        – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      Sidney Crosby was too busy whining about how MTL got lucky and didn’t deserve to win, his lungs were just achin’ after yapping to the refs after every whistle in the 2010 playoffs. That and talking about concussions, when he’s a very passable perfect deaf-mute when Cooke’s up to his antics. Or we could some of that good old-fashioned Canadian class and “Competitiveness’ from guys like Mike Richards and Brad Marchand.

      European players tend to have a good measure of respect, that’s to be lauded.

      – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  35. Mr.Hazard says:

    Basu is only 22!!?? Holy moly!

  36. HabinBurlington says:

    Safe to say, Joel Ward will be getting a big raise this summer. While a big strong winger like that would be nice in our lineup, I fear someone is really going to overpay. But PG should at least be looking at this guy.

    Great Effort Boys, PG get to work this Summer!

    • Mike Boone says:

      I’m not sold on Ward as a power forward. He seems more of a finesse guy, with some size. But man, credit him and Bergenheim with getting hot at the right time, career-wise.

      Mike Boone
      Hockey Inside/Out blogger
      Gazette City columnist
      mboone@montrealgazette.com

      • Keith says:

        Mr. Boone,
        I made the same comment about the rink announcers in Vancouver last night(the WOOO!), and you’re right, it is pathetic. Montreal would NEVER do such a thing I hope, it’s so cheesy.

      • Mike D says:

        Yup, got that right Boone. Ward and Bergenheim will get deserved raises this off season, then their play will average back down to what it was. Both are useful players and I wouldn;t mind them on the Habs, but they will likely both be too expensive for 4th line guys.

        – Honestly yours

      • habstrinifan says:

        Size and finesse Boone. Can you think of a team that could absolutely use those ingredients combined in one player? Oh Yeah the HABS. As a power forward he may not initiate the physical side of confrontations but wont be pushed around either and that alone will make the other players better. And I dont think his price will be outlandish.

        He is a little like Byfuglien.. big enough and good enough that with a little tweak in his game on any night he can have huge impact on a game.

    • habs365 says:

      He’s a 3rd or 4th liner–29-points in 80 games deserves a raise for his playoff play not a big one.

  37. Clay says:

    Personally I’m cheering for Vancouver, but I’ll be fine if anyone still playing wins, save for Boston.

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  38. G-Man says:

    Luongo left a lot to be desired last night. For an $8mil goalie, he looked a lot like a rental.
    Rinne played last night like nothing mattered. Poised and confident, despite the Nucks numerous assaults that pushed his D into the blue.

    Kesler is a helluva warrior but the Sedins…well, they haven’t beaten who is checking them all series long and it’s why there will be a 6th game.
    Usually, I cheer the last Canadian team standing, but this season has left me bereft of any team to latch onto. I frankly do not care which thugs win this season, as long as it’s not the Bs.
    It’s going to be a long summer, folks.

    • habs365 says:

      The upcoming winter will be longer if PG don’t do anything about the scoring–if we had two more scores we could beat anyone of those teams still playing…..

      • habstrinifan says:

        Totally agree! If PG does not make two changes (at least) to this team, then you will know that he is NOT the GM to tak ethe HABS to the next level.

        Scoring and GRIT!

        I am hoping that he upgrades the GRIT by adding a BIG STEADY PHYSICAL STAY-AT-HOME D-MAN. I would forego WIZ and use the money elsewhere. With Markov, Subban, Weber, Gorges, Habs have enough D-MEN who can provide the offensive aspects of Wiz’s role.
        We do not have a version of Gill with more skill toughness reliabilty and youth.. we need that.

        And then he should acquire a forward who will 100 percent add to the he scoring punch. This will take a huge amount of in-depth analysis and evaluation but that is why he has the job and staff. It could be done by adding two players or one truly outstanding and proven forward. Say an Iginla!

  39. Clay says:

    Welcome to our website to talk about the team we like. It’s Called Hockey (Habs) Inside/Out. It’s about hockey. We offer 24/7 hockey talk of AAA quality, and (some posters notwithstanding) we offer superior quality hockey discussion.

    We don’t want to shop at your shitty site, nor do we wish to read about your inferior merchandise. We are here to discuss the Montreal Canadiens first, hockey in general second, and again the Montreal Canadiens third. Shopping sites never even made the list, sadly for you.

    And while I have your attention…I am in China, and I know that you are vastly overpricing your merchandise – even with shipping. So not only are you an ignorant loser, you are a thief as well. Now run along…

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  40. Clay says:

    You are a fucking tool. You shit on the man who got us further in the playoffs since 1993 – a man who by all accounts is a great person, great teammate, and a nice guy. Ungrateful fucking loser is what you are.

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  41. LA Loyalist says:

    I think your actual name is a contraction of DEAD END ALLEY. To me your argument is a cul de sac.


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