And on the seventh day … no hockey

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Photo by Pierre Obendrauf of The Gazette

You want to spend a sunny summer Sunday working out Josh Gorges’ contract?
Or trading Scott Gomez?
Or signing some FA muscle?

Hey, go for it. It’s your life to not live.

But in the spirit of Montreal’s annual Carifiesta parade, which wound through the downtown core yesterday, we’re just gonna bang on our drum all day.

And great hair notwithstanding, Kerry Fraser never looked that good with a whistle in his mouth.

Nice mash-up from ilovehabs1:

285 Comments

  1. BONZOHABS says:

    I think the Habs can have a successful season, barring any number of injuries close to last year’s. If the Habs can go through the season with minor injuries and no injuries to key players, then it will be a good season. I believe those numbers are pretty respectful. I believe Cammy will get a bit more goals…be between him and Gio for that title. The 2 power forwards in the top 2 lines now is going to open up ice for the smaller skilled players, which means Gomez will be more effective. Gomez will come out this season and be an impact player I believe. The North East division will be tight this year with Buffalo, Boston and Toronto…Ottawa is rebuilding. I project Habs to finish 4-6th in conference. I have all faith that Price will be as consistent and great as he was last year. I think the magnifying glass will be on our forwards this year and whether they can produce. Other than that…if everything else stays as good and consistent as last year…with the forwards producing what they should…it’s looking good. Go Habs Go!

  2. HardHabits says:

    Time to change the subject department

    I made these Goals/Assists projections:

    Cammalleri (25-25-50) – Plekanec (20-45-65) – Cole (25-25-50)
    Pacioretty (25-15-40) – Gomez (10-40-50) – Gionta (30-25-55)
    Kostitsyn (20-30-50) – DD (15-25-40) – Darche (10-10-20)
    Moen (2-3-5) – Engqvist (1-4-5) – White (2-3-5)
    Eller (10-20-30)

    Markov – Subban (30-40-70) combined
    Yemelin – Spacek (15-20-35) combined
    Gill – Gorges (0-15-15) combined
    Weber/Diaz (5-15-20) combined

    For a total of 245 goals for. Entirely realistic. Or am I deluded?

    At any rate, if the Habs can score 245 goals and maintain their PK, PP and goals against there is every indication that they will finish in the top 10 over-all next season.

    • mike3131 says:

      I think a healthy Cammy can crack 35 G. MAYBE 40 G. I hope/think Max is better.

      • HardHabits says:

        I think Gionta will score the most goals.

        Those numbers set realistic expectations. I might be undercutting some players. 245 goals would have been in the top 10 in goals scored last season. If they exceed the numbers I put down the Habs will be a power house.

        • Tony McLean says:

          Pacioretty and Cammer will lead in goals, not close. Gio third.

          Beliveau, The Rocket, Pocket Rocket, Bouchard, Cournoyer, Savard, Hainsworth, Blake, Carbonneau, Gainey, Harvey, now those were captains to remember. Champions.

    • habsfansince91 says:

      you’re math is off on cammalleri. 25+23 is 48. I’m assuming you meant 25-25-50?

    • Everlasting1 says:

      Numbers a little inflated..even with an injury-free season. Gomez with 10G and 50P is very optimistic.

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      ” There were giants on the earth in those days; and also after that (The Deluge), when the Sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.” Genesis 6:4

      “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    • zaq007 says:

      I’d say Moen gets more than 5 for sure

    • Auscan says:

      @ HardHabits:
      I think that you are pretty much spot on with the 4 lines. I am also pretty sure that Engqvist will be centering the 4th line and he is a right hand shot, big and apparently good on face-off.
      Unless they sign or trade for a right hand shot to play on the right wing on the 3rd line, I don’t see anything wrong with Darche being there until Eller recovers from surgery…
      And for the defense pairings, I see Weber starting with Spacek instead of Emelin. Diaz will start in Hamilton.
      I believe that we have a strong team!

      Go Habs Go!

    • Clay says:

      A healthy Markov is worth 55~60 points alone. I think we can expect more than 70 from him and PK if Markov’s knee is OK.

      __________________________
      Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened.

      Winston Churchill

    • Steven says:

      A 50 point season for Gomez? That’s pretty bold, or that’s what a lot of members would have you believe.

      I’d give Plekanec and Cammalleri a few more goals but otherwise I completely agree.

    • G-Man says:

      You are being conservative with the ColCamPleks line- you project 70. I believe they are good for a goal per game for 82.
      PAcGoGIo are about right at 65.
      45 from the 3rd line + 10 for Eller when he’s backsounds right.
      5 for the 4th is very low. even i goal per 8 games nets them 10 +.
      100 pts for Subban and Markov with 40G and 60A is possible, but I’ll say 30G + 60A.
      Yem/Spacek for 10G + 25A
      Gill/Gorges for 3G + 18 A
      Diaz/Weber- 5G + 5A
      + 1 empty netter for Price

      Total of 251 for. Still think they can do better, but that’s the expectations of 90s era NHL. This is the toughest league in the world to score goals in.

    • toinz says:

      Markov and Subban will def get more than 35 points each but I don’t think they will account for 30 goals combined, expect the assists to pile up though.

    • Arrow77 says:

      Your predictions seems fair. If there’s anything optimistic about it, it would be Desharnais (who can hit those marks but probably needs a good year) and the Yemelin-Spacek pairing who will struggle to reach 10 goals, let alone 15. 5-15-20 seems more realistic to me.

    • cashbagg says:

      Remember the days when Hab forwards would consistently crack the 80 point barrier?

      Yeah neither do I cuz it’s been so long.

      Since the 96-97 season ended, only Kovalev has done it….once.

      Sigh.

  3. MTLForever says:

    Appears a lot of people on here have the rose coloured glasses on.

  4. HardHabits says:

    Nobody is talking about trading Price or Subban. Not one person is phoning PG and demanding he pull the trigger. It’s hypothetical. At 25JULY 10, 2011 12:34 PM AT 12:34 PM gohabsgo posted:

    Stamkos has listed the Habs one of the 3 teams he wants to get traded too.

    who would you trade for Stamkos?

    And so began a discussion. This is a forum. Not the gulag.

    The discussion almost immediately led to the suggestion that Price or Subban would have to be part of any negotiations.

    The eventual conclusion being that to get Stamkos in a trade, Montreal would more than likely have to offer either;
    1) Price + a 3rd pick + a prospect, or
    2) Subban + a 1st pick + a prospect
    for that deal to start getting any traction.

    As much as Price and Subban are valuable and as pair add up to more than Stamkos, individually Stamkos has a higher market value in any trade scenario than Price or Subban currently do.

    As unlikely the scenario is, any 1 for 1 deal would be consensually considered a favourable one for the Habs.

  5. Trisdin says:

    My life not to live eh? first rule of business….. don’t insult your customers. Habs (ops sorry) Hockey inside out is losing me with these condescending jabs not to mention the lack of coverage on the bulldogs playoff efforts in exchange for flattering articles praising the Bruins shameful goon filled cup run. Say good bye to all the monthly posts bragging about site visit increases, because this site is losing focus on what makes it successful. That would be obsessed fans whose lives are all about the habs no matter what $#&%ing month it is.

    I will rip into anyone who bashes my Canadiens, especially “habs fans”.

    • filincal says:

      like*

      I BLEED BLEU BLANC ET ROUGE!!!

    • SmartDog says:

      Good point.
      It doesn’t take a genius to come up with easy things to write about that the HIO gang would love to know.

      Here are some ideas:
      – Which guys train where?
      – How’s Gomez doing on his summer training – for his REVIVAL? (I’d LOVE to read about that!)
      – What’s Josh Gorges up to while he waits for his arbitration date?
      – What’s our Captain, Brian Gionta up to… how does he feel about his first year as Captain? What did he learn?
      – What’s the Subban family doing these days – do PK and his brothers spend much time together in summers?
      – How has Hamilton changed for this year?
      – What’s the word on the job search to replace Kirk Muller?
      – How many NHL teams don’t have a defensive coach? How many don’t have a goalie coach (I heard the Avs don’t).
      – Who are the new guys in Hamilton?
      – A serious analysis of our UFA period to date would be interesting.
      – A review of the last five years in trades would also be interesting… it would be great to see what an “unbiased” eye would say about our trades to date.
      – What teams are still looking for bodies and what kind of players?
      – Who are PG’s likely dance partners?

      … Jeez guys, need more ideas?
      Honestly, links to other people’s articles are good but how about a couple of interesting features about OUR team.

    • habsfansince91 says:

      agreed and they couldn’t even bother talking about the prospects at the development camp that took place last week. This site has been going downhill since they’ve changed the name.

      • BJ says:

        I agree with you. Something is missing since the name & format change. The name change is OK (if the Habs are that uptight about it. And quite frankly can’t see a copyright issue on that). But the look and content has taken a dive since the change. I actually lost interest in the site for quite a few months and occasionally take a look as there are still very interesting comments. I would also like more in depth reports and summer features on players. Maybe even an occasional retro look on retired Hab players “Where are they now”. They should go back to the old format and look of the page. In any case its still an OK website but it has lost a lot.

        • Praj12 says:

          Yup I said it a few months ago that this site is going down hill. Too many stupid pop up ads going across the page. Adverts on the side of the page. Its all about advertising now using the membrship numbers to drive revenue.

  6. Marc10 says:

    Stamkos for either Price. No.

    Goalies are worth more than goal scorers. The win cups (see Roy, Giguere, Brodeur, etc, etc…) Stamkos is arguably one of the 6 best players in the League and Pricey is certainly up in that range for goalies. So you keep Price.

    PK for Stamkos. PK plays 25+ mins in the playoffs and will own those minutes for years to come. Do you really want to trade half a game of A-grade D for clutch goalscoring… Maybe. But I doubt TB would play around with the team’s chemistry like that. They’ll do what they need to do to retain Stamkos… maybe look at an insade Philly type deal where Stamkos gets a contract for 9 years…

    “To be irreplaceable, you have to be different”.
    Andy Warhol

    Go PK Go!

    • JayBee says:

      This is too funny. It’s cool to like your players but really? You wouldn’t trade PK straight up for a 50G superstar with a ceilling higher than PK? Really?

      PK’s my fave Hab and I’d still trade him staright up for Stamkos.

      I like Price as well, but his value is not as high as Stamkos’.

      I shouldn’t be surprised given the amount of proposals I saw with Gomez, Spacek and Desharnais in them. LOL

      • Marc10 says:

        Meh… Maybe.

        If we had a goalie in the organisation that could step in and win 30 games, you might have a point.

        As for PK, I don’t believe TB would make the trade.

        Players I would trade Price for:

        1) Crosby (if healthy)
        2) Ovie

        Two superstars you could build a team around and hope to win a cup with. I also like Datsyuk and Doughty, but I wouldn’t necessarily trade Price straight up for them unless we had a decent goalie waiting to fill the void.

        “To be irreplaceable, you have to be different”.
        Andy Warhol

        Go PK Go!

      • Tony McLean says:

        I wouldn’t. We’re only seeing the tip of the iceberg with PK, he can be a Norris Trophy winner within 3-4 years.

        Beliveau, The Rocket, Pocket Rocket, Bouchard, Cournoyer, Savard, Hainsworth, Blake, Carbonneau, Gainey, Harvey, now those were captains to remember. Champions.

  7. JayBee says:

    Funny how Hab fans downplay non-Hab players but overrate their own guys.

    LOL @ people here having to think twice about trading one of Subban or Price for Crosby.

    As much as I like em…there are several players I’d trade Price/Subbsan for.

    • G-Man says:

      Before he was concussed, no hesitation. Do the trade. Now? The doctors would have to be involved.

    • LL says:

      And funny how some Habs’ fans don’t value what they have.

      Take Price and Subban out, and put a healthy Crosby in. Would our team be better?

      Even Crosby plays in front of a “mostly” elite goalie in Fleury, and a great defense (Letang as good as PK).

      Crosby alone without other key elements can’t win you a cup.
      Now, if there is a way to keep PK, Price and still have Crosby, then plan the parade.

      • JayBee says:

        Way to completely distort what I said.

        • LL says:

          How’d I do that JB? Your comment is straightforward no?

          I just don’t happen to agree with you is all.

          • punkster says:

            Don’t it always seem to go
            That you don’t know what you got till it’s gone
            They paved paradise…etc

            ***Subbang Baby!!!***

          • LL says:

            OK P-ster now I’ll be humming that all night. LOL

          • JayBee says:

            I said one of Subban or Price, not both. And I never said Crosby alone will get you a cup. You obviously need pieces around him, but he’s a generational player… I’d trade anyone on this squad for him without a moment’s notice.

            Crosby without key elements won’t get you a cup, but neither will Price and Subban. What’s your point?

      • The Dude says:

        Olympics overtime game winner for the gold…. that’s Sid the Kid!

      • Tony McLean says:

        Letang is stronger defensively – for now – but PK is going to be an elite Norris-contending ENTERTAINING player like we haven’t had since the 70’s. No comparison.

        Beliveau, The Rocket, Pocket Rocket, Bouchard, Cournoyer, Savard, Hainsworth, Blake, Carbonneau, Gainey, Harvey, now those were captains to remember. Champions.

    • Malreg says:

      It’s not just habs fans, it’s every team’s fan base. Everyone overvalues their own players and undervalues other team’s players.

      Just take a look at the Trade proposals on HF Boards and you’ll see tons of ridiculous examples.

  8. zaq007 says:

    Another fun fact if AK46 gets 19 point he becomes the all time leader for Belarus born in points!

  9. Neutral says:

    Price and PK the backbone of the team and you’re talking about trading them. you build from the Goalie out if you want a good team. no one gets Price or Pk no matter what the offer…

  10. zaq007 says:

    Found this on Wikipedia so not sure how valid but found it pretty funny:

    Weber scored his first career NHL goal during the 2009 playoffs, April 20 against Tim Thomas of the Boston Bruins.[2] Weber scored his first NHL regular season goal on February 9, 2011, also against Tim Thomas.[3] Somewhat comically, Weber contributed two goals during the Canadiens’ first round 2011 playoff series against the Boston Bruins, both times beating Tim Thomas. As such, the first four goals of Weber’s career, scored over a two year span, have all been against the same goaltender.

  11. Un Canadien errant says:

    Not to change the subject, but what’s the point of a skinny Kevin James?

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    Let’s do something like this again: 1) Mike Cammalleri 2) Brian Gionta 3) Hall Gill

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  12. olematelot says:

    I read this thread until I couldn’t hack it any more, is everybody so bored that they’ve lost their minds. No way in Gods green earth do you deal Price or Subban, these guys are future superstars. Stamkos would be great to have but not at the cost of losing either of those two.

  13. RiverviewCanadien says:

    Would I love to have Stamkos? Yup.

    But why mess with trading a franchise goalie AND a franchise defenseman? Not in JM’s system, not right now. This team healthy, is going to be awesome to watch.

    Now, start talking Crosby…and you have a whole new ballgame.

  14. HabFab says:

    I hope everyone has enjoyed today’s post. It was brought to you by the fine folks of Steve Stamkos’s Players Rep Agency. All rumors and gossip was strictly for the purpose of applying pressure on the Tampa Bay hockey club and it’s management. Have a good night and please come back tomorrow for some more craziness.

  15. Chuck says:

    It’s a lot easier to prevent 50 goals than it it to try to find a way to score them. Keep the stud goalie and defenseman, and save yourself a lot of headaches.

    • HardHabits says:

      If it’s a lot easier to prevent 50 goals than it is to try to find a way to score them wouldn’t it make sense to trade the defence man or goal tender for the sniper?

      You just argued in favour of my position. Thanks.

    • slapshot777 says:

      Good Point Chuck. I much rather have Price and Subban in the fold then overpay for Stamkos. The blue print for success was always build from the net out and it still is. The fifty goal scorer was always far and few between and consistency is always a big factor with these guys too.

      It would be way easier to shut down your offensive forward, than cool off your goalie or stop a defensman from doing his job. I’ll keep Price and Subban and rather take my chances with the team and players we have than bringing in someone who we don;t even know would click with this team.

      Chemistry is so important to teams in this hockey era. That’s why GM’s like PG are floating third and fourth line players around trying to find that right combination or mix.

      Carter, Richards and Pronger was rumored to be a cancer in the dressing room, therefore hard to win with players like that. This is why I think Holmgren traded these players away from the team. He brought in younger talent with the idea to start over, with hopefully a better room.

      When you listen to guys like Cammy, Gionta, Pleks and even Price, the general consensus is always about “the Room” this is why SK, Higgins,Lapierre, Latendresse were players that were shipped out. They put themselves first ahead of the team.

      I know Stamkos has the skills to be a great player, but great players have moved from team to team and have crashed and burned on other teams. Not saying that would happen with Stamkos, but there is always that possibility. We know what we have let’s build around that.

      People in here are complaining about how we never had a second round draft pick in this past draft. Now we are talking about trading Price or Subban plus other players plus draft picks.

      This team is finding it’s way along nicely, let’s not slam the foot on the brakes and make a move that we may all regret down the road. The Rangers are a prime example of a team that constantly does this. That is why they will never win a cup. They only won a cup in 96 because Messier made each and every player accountable. Without such a player the Rangers have never came close again.

      The Habs are much closer to the cup than most people think. Let’s just be a little more patient and good things will come.

      To you from failing hands we throw the torch, be yours to hold it high.

      • mike3131 says:

        Finally! People that are happy to keep PK and Price!

      • Trisomy 21 says:

        For the most part I agree with your post. However the Rangers actually won in 94.
        Correct me if I’m wrong, but I was under the impression Latendresse and Higgins just weren’t producing, I really don’t think they were causing any other problems. Lapierre wanted more ice time, and that wasn’t in our plan. SK was more of a personality problem, but I’ll accept the fact he caused problems with I think it was Gomez before he even played his first game here.

  16. mike3131 says:

    I know everyone’s bored and all, so we get excited over the improbable possibility of Stamkos being moved, but I’m so sick of the Stamkos-for-Price-1-on-1 talk. Why is it even being discussed?!?!?!?!
    If we didn’t have Price last year, we wouldn’t have made the playoffs! Heck, we would’ve finished below .500! If I were to build a team right now, I would take Price for the goaltender position over any other in the NHL! He hasn’t even entered his prime yet, and he’s already one of the 3 best goalies in the league (in my books… Miller, Lundqvist, Price).
    PK and Price are UNTOUCHABLE!!! I would even hesitate trading Price for Crosby or Ovechkin!
    @ HH – I agree with you most of the time, and you’re entitled to your opinion but this, “a straight up trade 1 on 1 Stamkos for either Price or Subban would be advantageous to Montreal,” is taking it too far! I also want us to get bigger and deeper, but not at the cost of trading a franchise net-minder/MVP who is the reason why we win half our games. Please!
    The ONLY way I would want to get Stamkos is by submitting an offer and forfeit the (assumingly low) 1st-round picks or by somehow coming to a deal THAT DOES NOT include Price, PK, Cammy or Gionta.
    ENOUGH of this Stamkos for Carey talk!!! Stamkos hasn’t proven that he can play without Marty and oh yeah, I also forgot he was in the lineup for a couple of those games in that Boston series. Price has proven he can not only overcome a S*** load of adversity, but how he can hold a team together and give anyone chance to win in every single game no matter who they play.

    • The Dude says:

      If you would hesitate to trade Price for Crosby “even after brain trauma ” you would have BIG BALLS….The whole idea make’s my brain implode . Sid the kid in C.H…..I can live with that!

      • mike3131 says:

        Can you live with Budaj as our #1? Your brain should implode because these are names that just aren’t meant to be in the same sentence as “trade”.

        • G-Man says:

          If Price gets injured, we’ll find out. Let’s hope he’s injury-free for the next 5 seasons or so.

        • HardHabits says:

          No. But I can live with Vokoun, Varlamov, Emery, Hiller, Rask, Thomas…..etc.

          Two season’s ago Price was at risk of losing his job to Halak.

          Prior to that Gainey was dangling Price, Subban, Plekanec and a prospect for Lecavalier of all things.

          Philly just traded Carter and Richards.

          Price was maybe going to fetch Eller and Schultz a year ago if even that.

          It wouldn’t happen because as much as Price and Subban have the potential to be great players and are being groomed to be the back-bone of the Habs, neither would command what Stamkos would on the trade market.

          Get over it.

          It’s not as wide a stretch as say what AK46 could fetch versus what Carter and Richards returned but I’d still say that Stamkos’ trade value easily exceeds that of either Subban or Price.

          • mike3131 says:

            My whole point is what’s up with all the Price/Subban for Stamkos trade talk? I don’t care about getting into a debate over Stamkos’ value vs. Price/PK’s value, I just don’t understand why some posters would be willing to trade one/both of the cornerstones of our franchise for Stamkos.
            Aren’t you satisfied with Price and Subban? And I don’t think Emery and Varlamov would be reliable since they have their annual season-ending injuries.

          • HardHabits says:

            I didn’t start the conversation. I just added my two cents.

            I merely state that Stamkos > Price and Stamkos > Subban in any trade talks.

            To get a clearer idea the comment by Pat8987JULY at JULY 10, 2011 3:09 PM AT 3:09 PM pretty much explains it.

            So if Yzerman comes up to PG and asks him for either Price or Subban straight up for Stamkos I sure PG is saying, “which one will it be Stevie?”

          • mike3131 says:

            Wtv, I guess we agree to disagree. I’m just not in love with trading Subban/Price in general. The same way I’m sure Ray Shero wouldn’t be crazy about trading Crosby, or McPhee to trade Ovechkin, or Burke to trade Kessel ;) etc. If Stamkos were to move, it would be because Stevie Y would be handcuffed and would be in cap trouble. Last time I checked, we aren’t being pressured to trade Subban/Price and I’m sure they will gladly sign their long-term contracts next summer.

          • HardHabits says:

            @mike3131: and thankfully PG will never have to make that decision because SY will never make that offer.

            I would rather keep Price and Subban too but in all honesty if such an offer was made and PG refused he would probably get pilloried in the press for it.

            I’d consider the offer sheet route though. My suggestion a while back was to try and get Dubinsky.

            As for the Stamkos thing, it’s just hypothetical and I was merely arguing that Stamkos has a higher market value over Price or Subban. I don’t think Stamkos’d be more valuable to the Habs than Price and Subban currently are as they are the Habs new identity.

            The good news is that the Habs have two players that we can argue about as being of equal value to a 50 goal scorer. :-D

          • mike3131 says:

            Obviously Stamkos has more value than PK or Price but it doesn’t mean that I’d accept a 1 on 1 Price for Stamkos trade. I would turn down that offer or try to improve the deal as fast as I can considering Stevie Y wouldn’t be sober enough to offer that ;). We can argue this all night… Thanks for the debate, though! Cheers!

          • Tony McLean says:

            He did lose his job to Halak. And Price still hasn’t won a single playoff series – and he just broke a three year home losing streak in the playoffs. The playoffs are when men step up. Jaro did. Will Carey?

            Beliveau, The Rocket, Pocket Rocket, Bouchard, Cournoyer, Savard, Hainsworth, Blake, Carbonneau, Gainey, Harvey, now those were captains to remember. Champions.

        • The Dude says:

          I’d wouldn’t make Budaj my # 1, because if I could get Crosby I could find another #1 goalie…

      • Mark C says:

        Yeah, well, you know, that’s just, like, your opinion, man…

  17. C_exacte says:

    Boone I’m trumping your mash-up… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rAvgaWUaGE

  18. HardHabits says:

    Not that it’s going to happen and I don’t care either way but a straight up trade 1 on 1 Stamkos for either Price or Subban would be advantageous to Montreal.

    Look at it this way. Between Price, Subban and Stamkos who is going to ink the most coin next contract?

    • Problem is Stamkos is a 50 goal scorer, so he commands big cash. PK a stud D-man, and Pricey a stud goalie have different intangibles but are both worth their weight in gold.

    • dre1744 says:

      how good would Stamkos be without Mr St. Louis!!!!!!!!!!

    • Stuck_in_To. says:

      50 goal scorers are great but who was the last one to win a cup because, at least as far as the Habs are concerned, Roy was the last elite player to win the cup. A goalie. I would not trade Price.

      Heck, I would not trade Subban either. : )

    • habs_r_us says:

      stamkos is better suited for a team like tampa bay that has issues selling tickets without marquee name help. the big scorers will always be more valuable to these type of teams then a team like montreal or toronto. all three players are franchise players from different positions but the forward position always commands higher dollars even though the player is just as valuble to the on ice team as the other player because or jersey/ticket sales this is why ovechkin makes 9 million and a player like shea weber will probably make 6.5-7.5 million both are just as important but ovechkin will sell more jerseys because he scores more goals

      • kakey says:

        Well said.

        Also most players who came off a career year and got traded will most likely never repeat what they’ve done since the new environment/teammates and expectation are all different. Always better to buy low (keep Price when he was not hot) and sell high (let go of Souray, Streit, Halak) than doing the reverse.

      • HardHabits says:

        I think stamkos is better suited for a team like tampa bay that has a coach that embraces offence. Price and Subban fit a team that has a coach that likes his scoring coming from the blue line and the forwards back-checking first and foremost before considering that pesky little habit of scoring goals.

    • Everlasting1 says:

      A respite from the glue bottle and laying off the sauce would be advisable.
      Let’s give Pricey and Subby another season, aiight?

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      ” There were giants on the earth in those days; and also after that (The Deluge), when the Sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.” Genesis 6:4

      “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

      • HardHabits says:

        Sauced and doped up I am still more literate and lucid than you. What’s your point?

        • Everlasting1 says:

          Literate and lucid enough to miss both my points. The first being your idols are not bonafide superstars like Stamkos. The second was to put the bottles down…put’em dooown.

          ——————————————————————-
          ” There were giants on the earth in those days; and also after that (The Deluge), when the Sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.” Genesis 6:4

          “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

        • Everlasting1 says:

          You can weed too?

          ——————————————————————-
          ” There were giants on the earth in those days; and also after that (The Deluge), when the Sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.” Genesis 6:4

          “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

  19. HardHabits says:

    It is doubtful that the Habs will drastically change any time in the near future. They have already been there and done that. It is also unlikely that the Habs will make any more major moves this summer. If something happens it happens. If not we pretty much know what the team will look like on opening night.

    Even the team as it is without any changes is without a doubt a team that will be competitive. Possibly even a top 10 team when all is said and done. The cupboards might not be replete with splendour but they are not bare either. The Habs currently have the capacity to tap into the prospect pool to fill gaps if need be.

    With the addition of Cole, Markov, Gorges, and Pacioretty, with better seasons from Gionta, Cammalleri, Plekanec, Kostitsyn and Gomez, with a progression and increased contributions from Eller, Subban, Weber, White, and Desharnais, it is for all intents and purposes realistic to suggest the Habs will improve as a team next season as compared to last.

    There could be some surprises at training camp too.

    The Habs don’t have to reach the cap floor. They aren’t squeezed against the cap ceiling.

    They don’t have to make any trades or deal. They can if they want to though.

    That Habs position strengthens. Following the current arc suggests elite status is attainable in the near future.

    • deuce6 says:

      Totally agree..I see a tweak or two mid season or a trade or two at the deadline for a playoff run, and that’s it…We do not want to get into any more “anchor” type contracts that is currently seen around the league and in our own back yard (Gomez)…We have elite young talent and a good mixture of veterans that seem to be helping our youngsters grow into the mold of being a solid NHLer..

      Price has shown progression with the addition of Auld..Will Budaj have the same effect? I hope so..Gill has done wonders with PK and god knows who else had a hand in PK’s progression, but he has as good a shot at a Norris in his career as anyone else at this point….He has the elite talent to so why trade that?

      Championship teams are built from a core on out…Like I have said, our core has a great mixture of young talent and veteran leadership and a young goalie that will contend for a Vezina every year if he keeps maturing…I don’t have a doubt, BTW..

      IDK about anyone else, but except for Gomez’s contract, this team has been built fairly well from the ground up…I just wish we would get a “killer instinct”….lol

      ——————

      Yes, I’m a Hab fan..Wanna fight about it?

      • HardHabits says:

        I think the Habs will wait form the opportune moment to acquire a #1 centre. Could be the trade deadline. Could be over the summer. Let’s just say Gomez’ leash is getting shorter.

  20. Aaron13 says:

    In a couple of years, Sid the Kid will be a free agent. He bleeds Bleu, Blanc, et Rouge. What’s the likelihood that he would sign with the Habs?

  21. deuce6 says:

    If we were to trade for Stamkos, Price or PK HAVE to be involved somehow..Now I am not saying that PK and/or Price are better or worth more than Stamkos, but we have a pretty thin line when it comes to elite talent on D and the goal positions, so Price/PK are really more valuable in simply “Habs terms”…

    League wide, Stamkos would fetch just as much or more on the trade front, but as a Hab fan simply thinking about what is better for the team right now, we do NOT trade PK or Price to TB for a winger…We can win with out Stamkos…We take PK or Price out of this line up and add Stamkos we won’t be a playoff calibre team…IMO..

    Defense and goaltending are 10x more important than sniping wingers…

    ——————

    Yes, I’m a Hab fan..Wanna fight about it?

  22. I know clown EK’s reporting Hemsky to MTL(E4),but i believe Hemski would be great addition.The canadiens would have the most dangerous 3 lines offensively in the NHL.

    Cammy-Pleck-Cole
    Pacioretty-Gomez-Gionta
    Hemsky-Eller-Kostitsyn

    Trade: Webber,Spacek and 3rd for Hemsky (I know i’m dreaming)

  23. Viktor Stalberg signs a 2 year, 1.75 M deal with the Hawks.

    850K per. Had 12 goals and 12 assists in 77 games last year.

  24. warriorhockey says:

    so now that the hawks have singed stalberg, what do you think the chances are the habs mite try to trade for him ?

    Avise la fin (Consider the end)

  25. habslifer26 says:

    Good day all! does anybody have a good hockey website to check on the latest rumors? The fourth period is reporting that the Canadians are still shopping around for more players and are trying to get rid of Spacek…and obviously the “GOAT”.

  26. Sean Bonjovi says:

    How ’bout Steven Stamkos to Montreal for Eric Desjardins, Gilbert Dionne and John LeClair?

    • HardHabits says:

      They’d want us to throw Roy into the deal as well.

      Sadly if that deal did happen it would still be better than what the Habs got in exchange for Eric Desjardins, Gilbert Dionne, John LeClair and Patrick Roy combined.

      • pat s says:

        We definitely lost on that LeClair/Desjardins deal but we won 2 cups under serge savard, he was the best GM we had in the past 20 plus years–I’ll take him before gainey or gauthier any day of the week–if he was our GM no way Chara gets away with what he did to Pac, there would be a riot on the ice if that happened under Savard.

        Montreal will never trade for a player like Stamkos. You have to gamble when making a trade like that and we don’t have the GM that will play poker like that. Savard on the other hand would make a trade like that. Gainey and Gauthier are good at protecting their jobs, on that I don’t blame them b/c the pay is well and it is a great job to be a NHL GM. I believe GMs that gamble and are willing to lose their job if they lose on trades are needed if you want to win a championship–unfortunately, we don’t have that now so forget the cup until that happens.

    • habslifer26 says:

      Excellent trade…

      • Exit716 says:

        Worst part of that deal? It brought the f’n idiot classless loser Mark “Habs are fakers” Recchi. I wish we could just expunge any record of that Piece of Dog crap from the team’s history.

    • Thurston says:

      No dice. Offer J.J. Daigneault in favour of Desjardins, and now we’re talking!

  27. HardHabits says:

    Who the f*** are Mr. Stamkos or Mr. Price? Hilarious. It’s Price or Stamkos.

    • Rob says:

      Ya you’re right. A young person having manners is a TERRIBLE thing!

      The Montreal Canadiens: sporting the best AND worst fans since 1909!

    • Uh-oh, someone said a bad word. Where’s Bill J with the outrage? What about the children Bill, FOR GOD’S SAKE BILL, WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN!!?!?!?!?!?!?!

      • Bill J says:

        You really enjoy acting like a child don’t ya ?

        There’s a difference between **** a swear word. And dropping.

        R*t*rd, d***hebag (might i add without the ****) and all the colorful names you call people when they disagree with you…

        Get a life!

        • yes, big difference Bill, HUGE difference right? You’ve just shown that you think it’s ok for one poster to drop the F-bomb, yet you go batshit on me for doing it. You’re a hypocrite, and you’re pathetic. and yes, you’re a douchebag, of epic proportions. Now run along back to your ever important job of protecting the children from bad words on the internet. Guess your life is so pathetic you have to make it seem worthwhile any way you can right? The day I start taking orders from a loser like you is the day hell freezes over. Got that?

          • Bill J says:

            See you repeated the same thing that got posts deleted yesterday, proving you intelligence level once again.

            Whose the d**che now genius ?

            If positions were reversed, I’m fairly certain what you would be calling me. Now get a life a move on

  28. aemarchand11 says:

    Gomez will put 65 points on the board this season as a hab. Plekanec had an awful season with numbers comparable to Gomez. He’s embarrased and will make up for his awful 2010-2011 campaign. These players are human, so if he can atleast get back to form he should be okay this year.

    Gomez’s will never put up enough points to justify the contract but he will be back next season.

    “I have a different constitution. I have a different brain; I have a different heart; I got tiger blood, man.” – Charlie Sheen.

    • NCRhabsfan says:

      This season? Ha ha ha ha ha. An eternal optimist. Good for you. I think 65 points over the rest of his contract is more realistic. But he will lead the Habs in fishing the puck out of our net.

    • Tony McLean says:

      You’re smoking the same stuff Charlie is if you think Gomez can resurrect his career. Call a coroner.

      Beliveau, The Rocket, Pocket Rocket, Bouchard, Cournoyer, Savard, Hainsworth, Blake, Carbonneau, Gainey, Harvey, now those were captains to remember. Champions.

  29. slamtherimtim says:

    why not dump gomer in the minor and offer stamkos some stupid amount , and lose the draft picks instead of trading the assets you already have , i would prefer to lose 5 1st round picks , which would most probaly be 20-30 pick , than price , PK or patches , especialy how max played last year, these GM’s need to stop thinking about the other teams and what they may do , if tampa matches , good luck stevie getting out of that mess, then they are forced to make a trade which would now benifit the other team and not tampa , as it stands now tampa has the upper hand and some bold GM will change that ,

    • SyntaxLove says:

      If you’re not locking him into a multi-year contract then it’s just a waste of picks. And I would never sign such an expensive player to a lengthy contract until I saw him play for our team.

  30. Pat8987 says:

    For delusional HABS fans…These are the kinda deals it would take to get Stamkos

    #1)

    Price
    Eller
    3rd round

    #2)
    Subban
    Eller
    1st round

    #3)

    Eller
    Tinordi
    Leblanc
    1st + 3rd

  31. TorontoHabsFan says:

    And then there were two (Chicago RFAs)…

    mirtle James Mirtle
    Blackhawks have agreed to terms with forward Viktor Stalberg on a two-year contract.

  32. HardHabits says:

    Stamkos for Price or Subban anytime. Anybody who wouldnlt make that trade is a fan of those players and not the team.

    • Everlasting1 says:

      Stamkos for both. Bring back Halak and I might just get on board heh

      ——————————————————————-
      ” There were giants on the earth in those days; and also after that (The Deluge), when the Sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.” Genesis 6:4

      “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

      • HardHabits says:

        You might want to brush up on your Slovakian and start trolling this website –> http://www.hokej.sk/extraliga/

        I figure in a few years your idol will be playing there. You can give us updates on how well HC Slovan Bratislava is doing.

        • Everlasting1 says:

          That’s where Budaj is headed. Price will back up Reimer or Luongo.

          ——————————————————————-
          ” There were giants on the earth in those days; and also after that (The Deluge), when the Sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.” Genesis 6:4

          “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

          • HardHabits says:

            Hilarious. You are too focused on back-up net minders. It comes with the territory I imagine.

    • issie74 says:

      No way ever.

      NorthTOHab

    • Arrow77 says:

      Subban maybe but you’re crazy if you trade Price for Stamkos.

      First of all, there is no one in our system that’s remotely close of being a #1 after Price. If Budaj is our #1, we miss the playoff next season and every year until we find a suitable replacement.

      Second of all, even great goal scorers rarely have more than 5 or 6 very good year and they need help to produce. Ovechkin is way better than Stamkos and he only scored 32 goals last year. We don’t have any St. Louis in our team so I don’t see how he could score 40 with us. As for goalies, most good ones stay good for at least 10 years.

    • avatar_58 says:

      Why because Stamkos = the cup or something? I firmly believe Subban is going to be something special and I want him to be that on THIS team, no other. So to me he’s an untouchable asset.

      Price is our goaltending future stud. He’s already had a near-vezina year and look how young he is. Imagine in 5 years.

      So yes – I’d hesitate to trade either of them. I’d rather trade Plek, Cammy, Gionta and whatever else before them. Since the lightning would have to be INSANE to trade stamkos I don’t see it happening anyway.

      Some players you don’t trade, and all 3 (price, subban, stamkos) are staying where they are

    • Tony McLean says:

      Or named Yzerman.

      Beliveau, The Rocket, Pocket Rocket, Bouchard, Cournoyer, Savard, Hainsworth, Blake, Carbonneau, Gainey, Harvey, now those were captains to remember. Champions.

  33. PeterD says:

    Stamkos…any deal that gives up our long term prospects and future talent and top picks for him is dumb. He isn’t signed yet!
    What would be the result to the Habs if we get his rights and he signs for 1 year…we go through this again next summer?
    What if he should chose arbitration after one year and we don’t like the result..he becomes a UFA.
    No, a deal for Stamkos would need to be done after he is signed wso we can see what we are getting in return for him..then and only then should start thinking of who to send theri way in return for one sniper.

    • issie74 says:

      PeterD … Stamkos had a very good first half but in the second half Boucher took Marty St Louis away from him and his production declined.
      Stamkos will have to prove he can play without Marty before he
      commands that kind of attention.

      NorthTOHab

  34. SyntaxLove says:

    I would never trade for Mr. Stamkos, or any single player worth that much. Sure, Boston could do so and they would still be a reasonably good team. But what you’re really trading, aside from players and money, is potential and probability. Everyone wants Mr. Stamkos because we know he’s a rock star. What we do not know is how he will play with the other players on the team, or in our system, or even the city itself. You can’t predict that. Nor can you predict the potential of the players you’ve relinquished.

    Call me crazy, but I wouldn’t even trade Mr. Price for Mr. Stamkos straight up. I believe you need to build a team from the net out. Mr. Price is currently an elite goalie. Last year he was tied for fourth in SA% & in the top ten for GAA.

    So let Tampa have one of the best players in the league. Last year, healthy, I believe we had the better team. And right now, we’re better off than we were last year. And they aren’t.

    • Tony McLean says:

      Why is it some Canadiens fans believe that we came THIS close to winning the Stanley Cup? We didn’t even go ONE ROUND this year!!! Bizarre.

      Beliveau, The Rocket, Pocket Rocket, Bouchard, Cournoyer, Savard, Hainsworth, Blake, Carbonneau, Gainey, Harvey, now those were captains to remember. Champions.

  35. topher5468 says:

    why why why why

    “It’s not an obsession, It’s a way of life..”

  36. dtoight says:

    As for Gomez. I agree that this guy has really underachieved especially considering his contract, but the bar for this guy is set way too high by a lot of Habs fans! He’s better than the 38 points and +/- he put up last year, but he’s also not a 70 point or even a 20 goal guy. I expect him to put up around 15 goals and about 40 assists, and he’s still our best forward at bringing the puck into the offensive zone, and will usually always find his wingers if they can break free. JM had him playing with either Moen or Darche for a good part of the season. These are fourth line players, Gomez is a play maker and he needs some snipers to feed his passes to. With either Gionta and Max or Cole and Cammy as his wingers for an entire season I think Gomez should have a bounce back season. He most likely won’t be worth $7.5M, but we can’t keep whining about s contract we never even signed. I’m more bitter cause we gave up McDonoughin the trade to bring Gomez here. I feel we could’ve had the exact same deal without him in it.

    • SmartDog says:

      ” (Gomez) is still our best forward at bringing the puck into the offensive zone, and will usually always find his wingers if they can break free”
      Huh?
      Are we watching the same games? Pleks crosses the blue line just as well and usually manages NOT to lose the puck within 3 seconds of when he does. Gomez does this circle thing while everyone WAITS and then crosses and – surprise! – everyone is covered because the other team had plenty of time to get back. Show me that he can cross the line AND not lose the puck right away AND make a good play, and I’ll sit up and listen.

      Gomez may be an okay 2nd line center… that is if he picks it up significantly from last year. But people need to get over this idea that Gomez is somehow spectacular at ANYTHING. The results speak for themselves. He’s not any easy player to play with because of how he plays. It’s not typical… and it’s not that good either.

    • NCRhabsfan says:

      I don’t have any problem with Gomez as a third line center earning third line dollars. The problem is, in a cap league you have to get value for your money. $7.5M is 100 pt a year dollars. It’s the guy that is on the ice winning close games. It is your superstar! It is not a 38 pt a year player, or even, for that matter a 55 pt a year player. Gomez salary cap hit is more valuable than Gomez is, because the team can get better sticking him in the minors and using the reduced hit to get a more productive player. Is he good enough to play in the NHL? Yes. Can the Habs afford him and the production he brings? No. I don’t see him offering to restructure his salary to more realistic levels, and nor would I expect him to, but that makes him, or should make him, a great AHL player.

      • G-Man says:

        1 player in the NHL had more than 100 points last season. 5 players had 90 points +. 9 players had 80 points +.

        You are living in the 80s and 90s as far as stats go. This is the toughest league in hockey to score in.

        • Tony McLean says:

          Crosby was injured as were many of the game’s best players like Marc Savard. Lose the instigator and bring back ‘police’ protection and there won’t be the number of attacks we’ve seen recently. If we had a guy Laraque’s size who could score 8-10 goals a year and would dismember Chara, the big bastard would not nearly have killed Pacioretty. Who on the Canadiens even had cross words for him afterwards? What a disgrace. Oops another rant about FrankenChara. Still relevant though. There has to be a price paid for abusing our players. Stars or not. Protect them.

          Beliveau, The Rocket, Pocket Rocket, Bouchard, Cournoyer, Savard, Hainsworth, Blake, Carbonneau, Gainey, Harvey, now those were captains to remember. Champions.

      • issie74 says:

        He can not restructure his contract,it is against the CBA rules.

        NorthTOHab

    • neumann103 says:

      It is a sign of how much respect Gomez still commands with his peers that just about everyone on the team will defer to letting him carry the puck, but Plekanec is waaaaaaaaaaaay more effective carrying the puck into the zone. So is Cammy and it is not really his role. Hell, Eller gains the zone and maintains possession better than Gomez and makes fewer boneheaded passes 10 feet inside the blue line.

      I expect Gomez to have a better season this year, maybe 55-60 points and not be a millstone, but honestly, despite his speed and moves he is about 6th or 7th on the depth chart of who you want rushing the puck.

      “Et le but!”

  37. joeybarrie says:

    HOW DOES INCARCERATED BOB KNOW, IF HE IS INCARCERATED????
    Unless his last name is MacKenzie, I would say absolute nonsense…

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  38. dimitrib says:

    I like the comments coming from TheFourthPeriod.com

    The Montreal Canadiens continue to shop quietly for upgrades, despite signing left wing Erik Cole and adding him to their top-six forward corps.

    Cole, who is expected to play atop the Canadiens’ first unit, inked a four-year, $18 million contract on July 1.

    Canadiens GM Pierre Gauthier has been shopping center Scott Gomez, who has a limited no-trade clause and can list up to three teams he would not accept a deal to.

    While a trade is not imminent, Gauthier has been trying to weigh his options and determine what deal might be available should he decide to pull the trigger.

    The Canadiens are also believed to be shopping veteran defenseman Jaroslav Spacek, who has one-year left on his contract at a cap hit of $3.833 million.

  39. solomio says:

    Will y’all stop fkg with the team. Let Stamkos go wherever.
    Habs are a contender and as Einstein says……

    “I figure PG has one or 2 moves left to bring the Habs that extra step closer to perhaps being the best in the league.” – Einstein

    • Tony McLean says:

      Didn’t even go ONE ROUND last year. Sniff the smelling salts.

      Beliveau, The Rocket, Pocket Rocket, Bouchard, Cournoyer, Savard, Hainsworth, Blake, Carbonneau, Gainey, Harvey, now those were captains to remember. Champions.

  40. TorontoHabsFan says:

    Re: Stamkos.

    Boston could legitimately give up Seguin, Marchand, Caron, and Rask and would still come out on top of that trade.

    (of course I’d HATE seeing two Eastern Conference foes get better…here’s hoping that trade never ever happens!)

    • JayBee says:

      Yup.

      Boston has the pieces to trade. So Hab fans, do you really think your Gomez, Spacek, Weber, *insert b level prospect* and a 1st can compete with Seguin, Marchand, Caron and Rask?

      If Stamkos was on the block, Habs would never be able to compete with what other teams are offering. That’s why I and some others get pissed when we trade away young guys and draft picks for NOTHING. It leaves the closet bare when it comes to packaging players in a deal. Teams want young talent. The only top line young talent we have is Price and Subban. Then secondary talent is Patches and Eller. Desharnais and Weber have 0 value. Leblanc and Tinordi are nice, but they are not blue chip prospects.

      • dasbooth says:

        I dont want to predict how many seasons Thomas has left, but no way he does what he did this year again, let alone after next season. Ruins lose Rask and they are in trouble.

        “Shutouts are really more of a team stat” – Carey Price

      • TorontoHabsFan says:

        Well to be fair, that trade would absolutely gut Boston of young talent for the next 5 years…but Stamkos is likely the only player in the league who would be worth the price.

    • 24 Cups says:

      THF – I’m not sure how Boston could ever trade for Stamkos. They would need to offer him 10M which means the same amount of coin needs to go the other way. They would also have to spend another 2.5-3M to replace the extra three guys going to Tampa.

    • SyntaxLove says:

      I disagree. I’d love to see that trade. it would totally compromise Boston’s future, they’d have to replace 3/4 of those players immediately, and there’s no guarantee Mr. Stamkos would perform as well there. If Boston made that trade I’d become more fearful of the Lightning.

      • TorontoHabsFan says:

        Oh I don’t know about that. Of the players mentioned, only Marchand played a significant role for them this season (and who knows how he’ll play without Dr. Recchi on his line). Seguin was often a healthy scratch, Caron was in the AHL, and Rask was sitting on the bench watching the single greatest statistical season in modern goaltending history.

        For Tampa Bay though, that trade would signficantly help them for the future:

        Seguin – legitimate potential superstar to replace Stamkos
        Marchand – legitmate 2nd line player (with a ton of “grit” to go with Malone and Downie)
        Caron – solid prospect (1st round pick) with what I’ve been told is 2nd line potential.
        Rask – former all-star starting goalie to replace their current 43 yr old goalie.

        Honestly, if I’m Yzerman, I’m not sure I can turn down that trade.

    • issie74 says:

      TorontoHabsFan … who then on Boston could be Marty StLouis and feed Stamkos the puck,if Boston makes that deal they had better be sure M St Louis is coming along with Stamkos in the deal.

      NorthTOHab

      • chanchilla says:

        hmmm, ever heard of david krejci or bergeron?

        • issie74 says:

          ummm do you mean Patrice Bergeron who is one hit away from another concussion on any given night or David Krejci who is not Marty.

          NorthTOHab

          • TorontoHabsFan says:

            You’re right, Krejci is no Marty – but after watching him in the playoffs I certainly have a new respect for what he brings to the table. He’s a mighty fine Centre.

          • issie74 says:

            He was not good against the Habs in the first round of the playoffs.

            NorthTOHab

          • Tony McLean says:

            We’re all one hit away from a concussion.

            Beliveau, The Rocket, Pocket Rocket, Bouchard, Cournoyer, Savard, Hainsworth, Blake, Carbonneau, Gainey, Harvey, now those were captains to remember. Champions.

  41. HabinBurlington says:

    To those that feel we could trade Price. If this team is on its way to some long term success over the next 2-5 years, he is the backbone of that. This is not to say he is or will be the next Patrick or Martin F., but he appears to be on his way to being a franchise goalie for the forseeable future. Having a goalie of his calibre is key. When teams point out the Red Wings or BlackHawks as teams that won with average goaltending, one can’t forget that those teams depth at the time of their Cups was second to none in the league.

    We have a good core, with average depth. Price helps cover up alot of teams weakness and in my opinion is irreplaceable. Especially given we don’t have 1 top prospect playing goal in our system.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Plus, Mr. Gauthier is on record stating again and again that he likes the team assembled in Montreal. To switch two budding superstars for Mr. Stamkos doesn’t add to the mix, it sends the wrong message and removes stability.

      If we were one player away from a Cup team, and we had depth in other areas, it might make sense to sacrifice Price/PK/Pacioretty/Eller and spare parts for Stamkos, but we’re not and we don’t. Let’s not strip assets from one area to build another, rob Peter to pay Paul.

      Mr. Stamkos would be great to have, we just can’t afford him right now. When we stockpile more draft picks and prospects, we’ll have currency t make a big move like that.

      Let’s let this team simmer and see what it turns out like.

      ———————————
      Let’s do something like this again: 1) Mike Cammalleri 2) Brian Gionta 3) Hall Gill

      http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • Tony McLean says:

      That’s what trades are for.

      For the 99th time “Price just ended a three year losing streak in the playoffs at home and has never won a playoff series in the NHL.” Them’s the facts.

      Beliveau, The Rocket, Pocket Rocket, Bouchard, Cournoyer, Savard, Hainsworth, Blake, Carbonneau, Gainey, Harvey, now those were captains to remember. Champions.

  42. JayBee says:

    Incarcerated Bob has no sources. Stamkos WILL NOT GET TRADED!

  43. gohabsgo25 says:

    Stamkos has listed the habs one of the 3 teams he wants to get traded too.

    who would you trade for Stamkos?

    my offer would be
    Akot
    Spacek
    kristo
    bennett
    1st rounder

    for

    Stamkos
    Malone

    what you think?

    • mike3131 says:

      Source? And it’ll take a lot more…

      • gohabsgo25 says:

        it was a twitter source,

        incarceratedbob
        BREAKING NHL NEWS**Source: Due 2the fact teams are scared of offering a RFA offer, Stamkos wants a sign & trade (Leafs / Flames / Habs)

        so im not sure if its legit but its out there

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Incarcerated Bob is a twitter Eklund. He is known mainly for his New York Jets tweets. There is virtually no credibility to him. However, he has been right the odd time. Who knows where he heard this. But hey something for us to noodle over.

          • mike3131 says:

            According to Incarcerated Bob, we had a trade lined up that would ship Gomez out and we offered Brad Richards a contract, however, Gomez refused to waive his NTC so we couldn’t declined the Richards offer.

    • ds says:

      I doubt Stamkos would want to come to MTL, but if he did I’d give Eller, Max Pac, Weber, 1st rd pick, and a 2nd rd pick

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        Problem with all the deals suggested is that increasing the number of so-so players doesn’t make it a better offer. If you are a car dealer, you’ll trade a new Mercedes for 8 used Corollas. But in hockey it doesn’t work that way. Roster fillers are everywhere.

        • ds says:

          Eller & Pac are former 1st rd picks with top 6 potential, Weber is maybe the next Mark Streit or he’s just overrated by Habs fans. Throwing in draft picks as well, there’s not much MTL can offer and at the same time Tampa Bay doesn’t want too much salary either, they are stuck with the never ending salary of Lecavalier.

          I would throw in Leblanc, Tinordi or whomever they wanted just not Subban or Price.

          • HabFanSince72 says:

            Let’s try to be objective.

            Eller has 7 NHL goals. MaxPac is coming off a horrendous injury. Weber is not the next Mark Streit just because he is Swiss.

          • JayBee says:

            Objectivity? Hab fans?

            It’s hillarious to me when you see Spacek, Gomez and Weber in a deal for Stamkos….as if they have any value. MaxPac and Eller are nice pieces but they don’t have much value. It doesn’t matter where they were drafted.

            And if i see Desharnais in a nother trade I’ll lose it. He has NO value.

            We’re talking about frigging Stamkos here. You will need to give up worthwhile pieces. Subban or Price will most likely have to go the other way. Look at it in tampa’s prespective. How can you trade the face of your franchise for a bunch of over the hill spare parts with big contracts?

            Sheesh!

          • issie74 says:

            ds … Tampa can not afford PK or Price,they will command as much salary as Stamkos.

            NorthTOHab

      • boing007 says:

        Richard R
        I wouldn’t. No way.

      • Tony McLean says:

        To me the untouchables are MaxPac and PK.

        Beliveau, The Rocket, Pocket Rocket, Bouchard, Cournoyer, Savard, Hainsworth, Blake, Carbonneau, Gainey, Harvey, now those were captains to remember. Champions.

    • Stamkos will NOT get traded man.

      Even if he did, it would take at least a Cammalleri, a Gorges, a 1st, Leblanc, Desharnais and possibly Max Pac to make that happen.

      That’s the hefty price you pay, unless you add Subban or Price, which would be plain dumb.

      • gohabsgo25 says:

        i know he wont get traded but i dont even believed it i just posted it because it just got my hopes a lil high lol.

        it will be plain dumb to trade our untouchables.

        how legit is thefourthperiod

        Canadiens still looking to deal
        TheFourthPeriod.com

        The Montreal Canadiens continue to shop quietly for upgrades, despite signing left wing Erik Cole and adding him to their top-six forward corps.
        Cole, who is expected to play atop the Canadiens’ first unit, inked a four-year, $18 million contract on July 1.

        Canadiens GM Pierre Gauthier has been shopping center Scott Gomez, who has a limited no-trade clause and can list up to three teams he would not accept a deal to.
        While a trade is not imminent, Gauthier has been trying to weigh his options and determine what deal might be available should he decide to pull the trigger.

        The Canadiens are also believed to be shopping veteran defenseman Jaroslav Spacek, who has one-year left on his contract at a cap hit of $3.833 million.

        • HabFanSince72 says:

          I think it is entirely plausible that we are shopping Gomie and Spatch.

          Spacek would be strictly a salary dump, but since he is signed for only one year he might be attractive to e.g. the Isles.

          We can only trade Gomez if there is another centre out there for us.

        • ds says:

          Unless there’s a bigger picture, trading Gomez is pointless. MTL is not in cap trouble, losing Gomez would hurt this team.

          Spacek OTOH was signed to make passes to Markov on the PP like he did Campbell in Buffalo. Unfortunately he never got the opportunity, maybe he’s just being mis cast but if we lose him I’m not sold on Weber being a suitable replacement.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Stamkos at the age of 21 is one of the best players in the league. Until he slowed down in the second half he was in contention for league MVP. If Tampa reluctantly agrees to trade him, they will want more than spare parts in exchange. They will want a young player who is a prospective future all-star.

      We have two of those.

      The one team that could offer Yzerman what he wants is Boston. Seguin, Marchand plus would be an interesting starting point for negotiations.

      • ds says:

        What do you think of Price & Pacioretty & a 1st rd pick for Stamkos & Roloson?

        • HabFanSince72 says:

          I think that deal would be to our advantage. Only problem with it is we have no goalie prospects and Roloson is 43.

          • ds says:

            I’m not against dealing Price, he had a great season for us but in the past few years teams with weak goaltending (leighton, luongo, niemi) have been to the finals.

            I think Subban is the only guy this team shouldn’t trade as he’s a potentially legitamate #1 defenseman.

            Even if we don’t get Roloson, just grab Nabokov from the Islanders, he’ll do 80% of what Price does at worst. At best with the defensive system we won’t even notice Price missing.

            Ray Emery is still a FA, he was clutch for the Ducks and got them into the playoffs with spectacular play, he could do well on this team as a #2 playing 30 games till his hip blows out too.

        • Tony McLean says:

          HAW!!!

          Beliveau, The Rocket, Pocket Rocket, Bouchard, Cournoyer, Savard, Hainsworth, Blake, Carbonneau, Gainey, Harvey, now those were captains to remember. Champions.

    • HabFab says:

      There is this but the price for us would have to include Gomez and for them no less then PK.

      http://yfrog.com/h8feqgogj

      • HabinBurlington says:

        That’s a cool pic. Hey maybe they are still close buddies.

        • HabFab says:

          They appear to be and Tavares is another close buddy to PK. Either would be nice but not very realistic.

          • DearyLeary says:

            At least there’s a winning culture in Tampa. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Tavares bolt the second he hits free agency. I’m not a huge Tavares fan, but if PK could talk him into coming to Montreal I would certainly be happy about it.

          • HabFab says:

            Stamkos’s twitter on last visit to Montreal. Not that this means much, over half the players say the same.

            “Just got to Montreal. One of the best road cities in the league. Can’t wait to play on thursday”

          • issie74 says:

            I am a huge Tavares fan … to bad he had to go to the Islanders,put him in Tampa with Marty St Louis and see what happens.

            NorthTOHab

    • 24 Cups says:

      Stamkos is the 3rd best player in the NHL right now. The Habs would have to include Price or Subban in a package and then start adding on other players and picks.

      If Yzerman loses Stamkos, then he should be fired on the spot. Without Stamkos, the Tampa franchise could eventually go under as Vinny and St Louis will soon be yesterday’s news.

      The real question for Yzerman is why did you bring back Roloson when you could have had Vokoun for three years?

      • HabFab says:

        Vokoun was making $6 ml and looking for the same or more. When he realized that there was no goaltender market, he went low. Meanwhile Roloson was already signed.

        • 24 Cups says:

          Frank – The days of Jonnie Bower are long gone, especially in this day and age of a 100 games a season.

          I would have cut Roloson loose after saying thanks. If he gets hurt, Tampa doesn’t make the playoffs this year.

          • HabFab says:

            Steve, new NHL with Cap. Roloson is 35+ so Tampa is stuck with him. And since we are going to be competing with them for one of the 8 play-off spots…GREAT!

      • issie74 says:

        Why … Price is a top five pick just like Stamkos.

        NorthTOHab

        • Tony McLean says:

          “Just like Stamkos?” Has he won the Stanley Cup? He hasn’t accomplished the goalie equivalent of what Stamkos has done, HE HAS NOT WON A SINGLE PLAYOFF SERIES YET. It’s all promise until – and unless – he fulfills it.

          Beliveau, The Rocket, Pocket Rocket, Bouchard, Cournoyer, Savard, Hainsworth, Blake, Carbonneau, Gainey, Harvey, now those were captains to remember. Champions.

      • boing007 says:

        Richard R
        I’d take Datsyuk over Stamkos.

  44. cuzzie says:

    cuzzieJULY 10, 2011 12:15 PM AT 12:15 PM
    Enjoying this beautiful day by taking it easy and enjoying the fruits of my labour in my beautiful backyard. I love Hockey but I’m thinking of baseball and my beloved EXPOS. I read that article of baseball in Montreal and I get totally pissed off. I supported my team but a lot of people of my generation who were big sports fan are living somewhere else due to the LITTLE MINDED PEOPLE of this province. To read an article like that the anger and frustration just boils me over. My son got me an EXPOS cap for fathers day. I have a picture of me holding him when he was just months old with him wearing an EXPOS cap. Member of Rusty Staub fan club and sadly missing my EXPOS on this Beautiful Day. Hockey has it’s season but we should be talking about baseball.( If we had our team). Sorry for ranting. EXPOS FOREVER.

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  45. HabFanSince72 says:

    Cap related issues

    http://www.capgeek.com/

    Teams that need to reduce payroll

    Buffalo. $64M 20 players. Need to sign at least two more.

    Caps are also near the Cap but have 22 on their roster.

    Teams that need to increase payroll

    Isles. $38M 18 players signed. Need to spend another $10M. We can help you, Mr Snow.

    Preds $41M, 20 players. But they can easily increase their payroll by signing Weber and Suter to long term deals.

    Colorado. $42M, 20 players. We can help you too.

    Jets and Yotes both have to sign two players and spend $3M.

    Teams that are obviously tanking next season

    Senators. $47M on 20 players. And no one can accuse them of tanking on purpose. Not with Bryan Murray in charge.

    Florida and Dallas are also near the floor.

    Teams that are still looking to make trades

    Habs have only 19 players signed. Maybe they are trying desperately for a blockbuster deal. If it doesn’t work out they will just sign Gorges and White and pick up a utility 4th liner on the cheap.

    LA Kings. Only 19 players signed and over $11M in cap space, and a team that is close to challenging for the big prize.

    Teams that are a joke

    Toronto Maple Leafs. Failed to sign a prominent UFA because (choose one) Brian Burke refuses to sign front loaded contracts, Brian Burke was too busy supporting the troops, Who cares, every game is a sell out anyway.

    • HabFab says:

      Suspect Kotalik plays in the minors as Calgary did to him last season. That free’s up $3 ml or they move one of their young D. Gragnani lead the team in play-off scoring so he takes Sekera’s spot, who has gone to arbitration. Both are young offensive defensemen which we don’t need more of, Weber I wouldn’t mind, but not likely.

    • Captain Kirk says:

      Cool! Teams that we may be able to do the Gomez for Nachos deal!

      25, while I’m still alive!

    • 24 Cups says:

      Burke signed Connolly who in his own way will be just as important to Toronto as Cole will be to us.

      I seriously doubt that Buffalo or Washington will deal within their own conference.

  46. rob_c says:

    I realize Cole most definitely will be given an opportunity to play along side Pleks and Cammy, and while its the obvious move, and does deserve a chance… Once Eller comes back I cant help but wonder what Eller could do in between Max and Cole. thats a line with some size that wouldn’t be easy to play against. In inserting Eller in between those 2, it slides Gomez out of the top 6, allows that plug Gomez to play against the other teams 3rd or fourth lines on a more consistent basis. As much as I don’t like the guy, he would be a great 3rd line centre. Its just to bad he’s getting paid like a first. Furthermore Gionta has shown previous chemistry with Pleks and Cammy so that line has shown it can work. Clearly lines get tinkered with game to game, period to period, even minute to minute. I’d just love to give this one a try. Wishful thinking more then anything. JM will never make that happen.

    Cammy Pleks Gionta
    MaxPAc Eller Cole
    Kostistyn Gomez _____
    White Desharnais Darche

    Markov Gorges
    Subban Gill
    Yemelin Spacek/Webber

    Price
    Budaj

    • G-Man says:

      It’s about balance. Throwing Eller with MaxPac and Cole gives you 1 line with size and skill instead of 3. Your 2nd line becomes too small and your 3rd line has no winger, so Moen?

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Well if there is one thing we know about the Count, he will be line juggling. So chances are we will see alot of combinations, just not any we expect.

        • HabFanSince72 says:

          Martin’s idea of “balance” is to put one grinder on every line. Wouldn’t want to get carried away now would we?

          • HabinBurlington says:

            I am guessing that if JM was playing poker, going all in to him would mean paying the big blind, no more.

          • G-Man says:

            A grinder that can score is a “power forward.” So, what’s wrong with that besides not having the personnel to do it? Low scoring, defense and a goalie that must be perfect. So, what to do?
            You add Cole and, a hopefully fully recovered and still able to go to the dirty areas, MaxPac. This gives the Habs scoring balance not seen for the longest time, with 3rd line scoring.
            The work ethic on the team is excellent and with more finishing, this team could challenge for the conference title. But, of course, since it’s JM running the ship, it will obviously be no good, right?

          • HabinBurlington says:

            @G-man, I am being rather facetious as it pertains to JM. I respect the fact he knows hockey and knows his system. But he does at times drive me nuts with some of the line juggling and how quick he can be to just playing 3 lines up front and 4-5 defenders. A little longer leash during the reg. season I think could be helpful in the development of our youngster, but who am I to tell an NHL coach what to do.

      • Ian Cobb says:

        G-man I posted to you below!

    • Captain Kirk 11 says:

      Like It!! Eller in, Gomez out!

      —25, while I’m still alive!

    • Stuck_in_To. says:

      I have thrown this line combo out in two threads and the sole reply I got was “dream on”. Glad that others see the potential in the line too. I hope we both get to see it and see it realized.

    • CanadienBoy says:

      Eller will need time to come back and that could take the entire season

    • Tony McLean says:

      Eller blew me away the way he blossomed under pressure in the playoffs. I finally believe he’s got the royal jelly and am drooling to see him get more minutes – with decent linemates. He could be top six by January.

      Beliveau, The Rocket, Pocket Rocket, Bouchard, Cournoyer, Savard, Hainsworth, Blake, Carbonneau, Gainey, Harvey, now those were captains to remember. Champions.

  47. 24 Cups says:

    This Hab draft review was posted yesterday but some fans may have missed it.

    http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/13181/montreal_canadiens2011_draft_review/

  48. Keith says:

    I could care less what the laffs do. Their ineptitude will always come back to find them.

    • 24 Cups says:

      I still think the Kessel deal set the laffs back on their heels, but Burke has made some solid moves since then (the Komisarek contract doesn’t count seeing we were ready to make the same deal).

      One of Montreal’s major weaknesses has been it’s inability to evaluate NHL talent. Dudley would have been a valuable asset in that regard.

  49. 24 Cups says:

    Should the Habs have hired Rick Dudley (Toronto) or Craig Ramsay (Florida)? Dudley excels at player evaluation while Ramsay would have been a possible candidate to replace Muller.

    http://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/nhl/mapleleafs/article/1022560–getting-answers-from-the-leafs-newest-front-office-addition

  50. G-Man says:

    No coach plays that odd man rush style, trusting his out-manned D to make a great play to stop goals. In the undisciplined old days of the NHL, you used to see a lot of it. No more.
    All teams have defensive systems to keep their team in control of the game. All out offense is a lose -lose scenario.

  51. Ian Cobb says:

    True Dat G-man. Keep the other team off the board until the 3rd is the way to go. Speed and fore check creates errors and penalties through the center ice area, creating chances. Defensive responsibilities come first and foremost from the red line back to Price.!.

  52. Tony McLean says:

    You mean “the entertaining” old NHL…you prefer Martin’s BS? Roger Neilson? Lindy Ruff? Barry Trotz? Aieee

    Beliveau, The Rocket, Pocket Rocket, Bouchard, Cournoyer, Savard, Hainsworth, Blake, Carbonneau, Gainey, Harvey, now those were captains to remember. Champions.

  53. boing007 says:

    Richard R
    If that’s the New NHL, you can have it. Dump and chase, dump and chase. We need to become a puck possession team like the Red Wings.

  54. DEANDALLEY says:

    U never liked Price anyway ….

  55. dleblanc343 says:

    What’s that lol? Isn’t jordan subban on the way to replace PK?…

  56. HabinBurlington says:

    I hear what your saying D, not sure Shiloh values Price like others of us do.

  57. DEANDALLEY says:

    He seldom praises him but alway trashes him every chance he gets!


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