And on the seventh day …

Everyone rested and vegged out on football.
Except the Canadiens, who are practicing at the Bell Centre, a promotional deal with the Metro grocery chain.
The joint will be rockin’ – which it hasn’t been often this season.

Photo gallery from win over Leafs

Pierre Ladouceur’s game report card

Michael Farber on the state of hockey

Larry Brooks column

Leafs on the ropes

Crosby tops Sun poll

Those were the days: Canadiens win their fifth straight Cup, in Toronto. Note bilingual coach …


  1. CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:

    Well let’s be honest, we are not getting our “Big Number One Center” this year via trade or FA. They aren’t there. That said, I think we can upgrade the quality of our 4 centers without being sure who our “4th line center” actually is per se…

    Assuming Gomez is gone and there is money to play with, I think Gauthier should try acquire Antoine Vermette for a middling prospect and a no more than a second rnd pick. $3.75 against the cap for 3 more seasons, that is the con, but not a huge one.

    But he is only 29, and is 6’1″ and plays much bigger than Nokelainen despite being the same height. A much better hitter and good shot blocker. He would also be interchangeable with any of the 4 lines we will be icing, he’s a true competitor, and could probably teach Eller a thing or two given his experience and moderate offensive success. His stats are weak this year, but it is Columbus…

    Not a game changer, but a piece of the puzzle for more size at center

    • Bripro says:

      I believe Ottawa didn’t make much of an effort to re-sign him based on his lack of (or inconsistent) effort. Is he another Pouliot?

      • TorontoHabsFan says:

        He was traded for Pascal Leclaire.

      • CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:

        Well I could see he may have never reached expected potential is some people’s opinion, but he seems a pretty consistent two-way player who was a career +18 going into this miserable season.

        Had a career year two season ago with 27 goals and 65 pts on a slightly less pathetic BJ team, and a decent season last year with 19 goals and 47 total points. It’d be an upgrade over Gomez/Nokelainen. More than double the production for less than half the cap hit.

        EDIT: Double the production of both of them is an exaggeration, but we’d be better off nonetheless.

        • Bigdawg says:

          we need a fourth line center or we get rid of one of DD, Eller, Pleks – and I like them all. I say we wait for the off season and make a bid on Gaustad – 6’5″ one of the best on faceoffs and though he is not a fighter he can give a check. Buffalo is scrambling under the cap and is unlikely to be competitive enough to keep him

          • CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:

            Gaustad has skill but he is an ultimate turtler and wimp as demonstrated when Miller was destroyed by Lucic.

            He is also becoming more injury prone as of late.

            Also, hits and blocks for the two players were roughly equal last season, with significantly more production from Vermette.

            My idea here is for Vermette to be the 4th liner to start the season with the capability of filling in on any of the other lines.

    • Seps says:

      I truly believe Lars can be our big #1 Centre we’ve always been looking for, he’s only 22 with unlimited upside, imagine next year after he puts some bulk on during the off-season.


      • CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:

        I think he can get there, but for now we need one more capable center who does not cost a fortune and brings size. I would certainly hope Eller was higher on the depth chart than Vermette if this were to happen.

        • Seps says:

          I’d almost rather wait it out until he gets there because there no use trading away prospects to get that centre because he’ll have no one to play with anyways, with the exception of Cole possibly. But as of right now we have no #1 centre or LW so why rush?


          • CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:

            I just don’t think you’d have to give up an impact player, a high draft pick, or a serious prospect to get Vermette. I think he is a piece of a puzzle that makes us competitive next year tho, rather than 3 years down the road. Keep in mind there are no centers on the radar, aside from Eller who is already guaranteed to be on our team.

            Vermette will be quality through the end of his current contract which end in summer of 2014.

          • Seps says:

            I’d do Vermette and a 1st for Pleky and a 3rd, although if they have the #1 pick I doubt this happens. But I see what you’re saying but at the same time he’d just be joining the Habs long list of mediocre centres.


      • Mila says:

        I believe Eller and Desharnais are definitely keepers as the Habs top 2 centers next year. Desharnais has proven his worth despite his size. Along with Cole and Pacioretty, they definitely are and will remain the number one line for years to come. Second line I would have Eller center Bourque and Kostitsyn ( I believe he will be resigned). That would be a pretty huge line in terms of size and grit. As for the third and fourth lines? Not sure. I don’t think Nokelainen will be back. Plekanic is better as a defensive center but his game in my view has declined this season. Gomez has actually improved with each game back from injury. I actually believe one of these two centers will be moved in the off season. Of course with Gomez’ contract, Plekanic will be the easier to shop around.

        Just my 0.02 cents.

        • Seps says:

          I agree with everything you said up until you said Cole-DD-Patches will be #1 for years to come, for my sake and the Habs sake I truly hope you’re wrong and the Habs find some first line superstar we havent had in decades it seems.


  2. Bripro says:

    Earlier in the season, there were several posts regarding UFAs not coming to Montreal.
    I think on every player’s wish list, the teams they want to play on are
    1. Rangers (notoriety)
    2. California teams (because it’s California)
    3. Detroit, Vancouver, Boston, Washington or Pittsburg (looking to be on a contender)
    4 Southern belt teams (like Dallas)
    5. Toronto or Montreal
    6. the rest
    I’m convinced a key reason they don’t want to come here (over and above the media-hype) is the tax structure. Who wants to fork over 40%+ of earnings if you don’t need to?

    • montreal ace says:

      The NHL should let the Habs raise their cap level, so that when we bid for free agents the take home pay is the same. Teams that have a tax advantage, also have players who never see free agency, they know they have it good.

      • Bripro says:

        It’s pretty sad, when you think about it, that we as tax payers agree to let a bunch of multi-millionaires receive financial support just to satisfy our hockey obsession.

      • boonie says:

        Sure, but then the league probably needs to equalize revenue to balance out the weak teams.

      • thebigguy says:

        I think we should look at who would be in support of your proposal and who would be against.

        -Superstars, who’s salaries would surely rise
        – Canadian fans or teams from the NE USA
        – Small market teams -as explained below, this would lower the cap league wide

        -The rest of the NHLPA. Creating a cap system that is based on post tax earnings will eat into the amount of expenses, thereby lowering the salary cap and leaving less money for them.
        -Owners of teams in heavily taxed areas, especially Molson. Why create rules that force you to spend more money than your rivals to get the same quality product? Moreover, this would easily get teams involved in local politics. I can just imagine that during tax debates, local owners say that taxes on the rich will affect their abilities to ice a competitive team.

    • bel33 says:

      That is a good point… that probably figures in more than people realize. GEEZ… Gomez is loosing crazy money being in Mtl… maybe he wants out?!?!?!? (fingers crossed)

    • BKAK72 says:

      I don’t believe the “tax structure” is as clear-cut. These guys have access to some intelligent accountants and business managers that level the playing field. For example, AK27 kept his ‘principal home’ address in Grenwich CT b/c of its favourable tax laws.

      Essentially you ‘work’ in Quebec, however pay taxes in your home Province (or State) that is identified as principal residence.

      That’s my take and welcome others with greater knowledge to expand further.

      note: you can not hide in Montreal (or Toronto) as an NHL player, that’s why they skip these two cities. Both clubs pay a premium to pacify the expectation of media and fan pressures.

      — HABS INSIDE/OUT R.I.P. —

    • ont fan says:

      I read that the Rangers and Detroit are the places most players want to go. Philly and Boston next.

  3. jedimyrmidon says:

    I don’t mean this as an excuse post, but looking at this season and the way it has gone I can see how very little has gone right for the Habs. Now, I know a good team is supposed to overcome any sort of adversity, but for a team that isn’t a a top 4 team, stacking on additional challenges can really change a season. So here are things I noticed:

    1. 1st game of season – play against Leafs, Campoli gets injured and is out for two months (injuries are injuries even if the player isn’t the MVP), Lombardi gets a backbreaking gift goal (can’t remember if it was SH or not)
    2. 2nd game – Habs win, but Cammy’s leg gets cut by Weber’s skate, Spacek gets injured
    3. Ensuing couple of weeks – played Edmonton and Colorado when those two teams were actually playing well (I think Colorado was on a 6 game winning streak); and yes, I do remember the Habs playing poorly against the Islanders and the Flames when both teams were struggling
    4. NYR – fiasco with Blunden’s clean hit that saw him get benched after and the Rangers winning a game that the Habs were playing well in (clawed back to make it 4-3); Martin benches Blunden in ensuing games
    5. Played Buffalo before they were struggling, and Toronto when Toronto was doing well (I do remember the puck hitting the netting, but no stoppage of play occurred and then the Leafs scored – not against the rulebook, but unusual; again a momentum changing event in the game)
    6. Long string of shootout and OT losses; very unusual for any team
    7. Letang scores OT goal when Price had the puck covered

    Mix in additional injuries and the GM making strangely-timed moves, the language controversy and you’ve got an interesting set of setbacks to overcome. Again, I don’t bring up these calls or whatever to blame the refs or complain about the scheduling. I’m just wondering – is it normal for me to remember all these little incidents? Hopefully it’s not a case of overly selective memory…

    • New says:

      In the playoffs last year the team came in as underdogs, but with the previous Washington/Pittsburg upsets. A scary factor. Chara was sick for the first two games. The Bruins were rattled. Montreal took the first two and came home all full of themselves. The Gomez who shone in the first two fell back to just Gomez. The team blew a healthy lead to lose game three and only win one of those five remaining games. The press ranted that the team took the champs to seven and almost won. In fact they snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

      Training camp was a disaster. The talk of camp was Bournival and Gallagher, neither remotely ready for the NHL but consistently the best players. 29 teams passed on Campoli before the Habs signed him at the last minute. He struggled, hit game one, and went on IR. They tried to get some dufus from Philly but made sure to check him. Oops, injured and the trade voided. Suddenly the press was “waiting” for Campoli to come back as if he were Markov. He is not Markov.

      IMHO the team was not ready, mentally or physically, for the season. The usual good start ws not there and when the league got rolling the team was disorganized. Dysfuntional as a team and heading for the bottom five. Martin made it worse. He knew they knew and could provide what he wanted. Sure he reassured the press with calm words. But management knows there are three points available every game. Taking one is losing no matter how you cut it. The other guy took two. Over the course of a season that adds up and you are in 25th place.

      The only way for the team to achieve anything is to play together. They have to take two points and give nobody any points. They haven’t done that in about a year. On a positive side, if they start to do that there really is enough talent on this team to make it to 4th. At that point they would be a scary playoff entry, a team that had grasped victory from adversity and appear on a mission. That frightens players and teams. They are starting to pull out of the mess now. Players previously coddled are being told that excuses don’t cut it. I think the GM will move players who would rather ride some other team’s success than contribute a little sweat to the Canadiens.

      We will see. Could be historic; or a number 4 or 5 pick.

  4. AH says:

    I read the Garrioch column someone had posted..he says Boucher is on thin ice in if he gets fired what’s the over /under (in seconds) the the Habs grab him? He states in the article that perhaps the team has tuned him out. I have to wonder the same thing as they have too much talent to be floundering like they are and/or is Boucher maybe not as good a coach has made out to be?

  5. VancouverHab says:

    M. Pierre Ladouceur gives highest marks to Carey Price in his Report Card. And second highest marks go to….

    [PS: Above– “Note bilingual coach.” Brilliant!]

  6. Stuck_in_To. says:

    Nearly level-headed speculation from the Edmonton Journal which includes the sensible suggestion that MTL. shop Campoli to CHI. given he has already played there and should fit in quickly. No suggestion of what he might be worth.

    Also, a sensible view of Halak: “Not to rain on the parade of St. Louis Blues goalie Jaroslav Halak, but in the three shutouts he has earned in the last four games, he has faced a total of just 56 shots. He’s getting the job done, but nobody will ever say he’s over-worked. Halak and Brian Elliott have nine shutouts this year, how-ever, which is only four back of the team’s single-season record held by Glenn Hall and Jacques Plante – two of the six best goalies n history.”

    Clearly, the Blues are a good team.

  7. spirek says:

    Caps get at least one point… Hammer has been on the ice during the whole money time

  8. TomNickle says:

    The question isn’t whether or not this team will make the playoffs. The question is what will they do to position themselves to become one of the league’s elite once again.

    My locks to make this team and be key contributors who aren’t currently on the roster include….

    Leblanc, Gallagher, Walsh, Beaulieu, Ellis and Tinordi.

    Players I consider to be core members of the future version of the Habs who are currently on the roster include…..

    Eller, Pacioretty, Cole, Desharnais, Emelin, Subban, Gorges and Price.

    So I’ve got the following heading into the future…..

    Eller – Pacioretty – Gallagher
    Desharnais – Cole – Leblanc

    Emelin – Subban
    Tinordi – Beaulieu
    Gorges – Ellis


    It’s clear where we’re going to need help in the future. Time for this team to get its hands on some elite forwards because the back end is well taken care of heading into the next decade.

    • Habs-royalty says:

      i just wonder how you want to aquire elite forwards if you protect all the players you mentioned. Trading Pleks,Gionta, Gill , Gomez and moen wont bring those elite forwards. Also it should be noted that at the time when tinordi and Beaulieu are Top 4 D , Cole will be 35 +.
      If there is the chance to get our hands on elite players you also have to consider offering Cole, Eller, DD, Leblanc …

      • Chris says:


        You have to trade (perceived) quality to get quality in return.

        And if you are looking for a superstar, you’re probably dealing some of your most promising prospects. If Montreal is looking to land a Malkin-esque player, there are three routes:

        1) Free agency
        2) Trade
        3) Draft

        Free agency is tough in Montreal because, like or not, Montreal is a polarizing market for the players. Too much media hype for some, high taxes, and an occasionally over-zealous fan base. The prima donna superstars might be down for it, but I can’t see some of the more subdued guys embracing the craziness.

        Trades are going to cost you dearly. Jeff Carter landed Jakub Voracek and a top-10 NHL pick (Sean Couturier). Voracek is, at this stage of his career, better than either Lars Eller or Max Pacioretty. Would we trade Pacioretty and our first round-pick for Carter? Mike Richards cost the Kings Brayden Schenn (the 5th overall pick in 2009 and a guy who was perceived as the top NHL prospect by many) and Wayne Simmonds, a young power forward prospect that one could argue is not too far off the calibre of Lars Eller thus far.

        If Carter and Richards cost that much, you can be virtually assured that a legitimate offensive superstar would cost more. You simply can’t protect your brightest young prospects if that is the calibre of player you are hoping to land.

        The draft is a crap shoot. You have to get a top-5 pick (generally) if you want a sure-fire impact player, and then you have to hope. Consider the 2005-2008 drafts:

        2005: Sidney Crosby is obviously a superstar, Bobby Ryan is an excellent player but probably not a guy who can carry a team. Pouliot and Brule have disappointed. Price is very good. 3/5 success rate, 1 franchise player.

        2006: Erik Johnson, Jordan Staal, Jonathan Toews, Nicklas Backstrom and Phil Kessel are all great players. But only Toews and perhaps Backstrom might be considered guys you could build your franchise around. 5/5 success rate, perhaps 2 franchise players.

        2007: Patrick Kane is a star. Thomas Hickey has not played a game yet. Karl Alzner is a solid defenceman, and James van Riemsdyk and Kyle Turris have not yet reached their potential. 4/5 success rate, 1 franchise player.

        2008: Steven Stamkos and Drew Doughty are superstar players. Alex Pietrangelo has developed into one of the top young defencemen in the NHL. Luke Schenn and Zach Bogosian have disappointed, thus far. 5/5 success rate, 3 franchise players.

        This draft could be a good one, or it could be 2007 all over again.

        • matt jordan says:

          Voracek is not better than Pacioretti.
          MaxPac has already matched Voracek’s career high in goals this season.

          Voracek has never scored 20 goals, and this year is on pace for 12. Last year he was blasted by Columbus management for being out of shape.

          I’ll take Max anyday.

          That being said, Voracek did have higher value this summer with Max coming back off an injury and Eller having a 7 goal season.

        • boonie says:

          Great post, as usual. Analysis, objectivity… Thanks.

    • 24 Cups says:

      Tom – Using your timeline, I wonder about a few things. First off, Walsh and Ellis are far from being locks to develop into key contributors. They are prospects who have shown good upside. That’s all right now. Even Gallagher might have to show that he can handle the heavy going in the NHL (even though he’s fan favourite already).

      You don’t list Pleks as a present day roster player yet still mention Cole who will be near the end of the line once all these kids develop. Even at that, I can’t say I’m over the moon about the forwards you have listed. I hope we are able to bring in more talent than the six you have mentioned.

      (My comments are based on a team three years down the road which is what you have listed)

      • Chris says:

        In reality, take the top 10 best prospects and hope that perhaps 50% of them actually develop into what we think they will. That’s more like the success rate that we’ve seen in recent years.

        • 24 Cups says:

          At best, Chris. It’s not being negative, just realistic.

          When I first came on this site everyone was over the moon for Dmen such as Carle, OB, Weber, McDonagh, Fischer and Valentenko. Our defense would be set for years. Instead of Price/Halak wars, the debate of the day was who would take over from Koivu as captain – Higgins or Komisarek.

          Not one of the players mentioned ever panned out for us.

          • Chris says:

            Yep…I’ve posted much the same thing. You could throw in the forwards as well: Chipchura (another future captain), Perezhogin, Latendresse (especially during his pre-season romps!), Lapierre (remember everybody saying he was the best 3rd line centre in the NHL?), etc.

            I’ve been following the Habs far too long to get excited about draft picks until I see them producing in the NHL. None of the guys Montreal currently has in the system is a slam-dunk…the closest might be Nathan Beaulieu, but even he slid in the draft for some reason.

            A lot of love lately for Tinordi, who is a dominant defensive presence in the OHL on a stacked London Knights team. Even there, I’m skeptical…I watched Ryan Parent and Drew Doughty absolutely dominate the OHL for the Guelph Storm. I swore that both guys would become elite NHL defencemen (Doughty on offence, Parent on defence). Unfortunately, Parent just never made it…his offence was never there, and his defensive game, so dominant against junior-age players, had flaws that were exploited by the professionals. (A chronically bad back hasn’t helped).

          • boonie says:

            Chris, do you think our success maximizing the potential of our rising stars mirrors the success of top clubs? I fund it interesting that our recent crop seems to have developed better than prior waves. Is it fair to attribute that to Boucher who schooled many of them in Hamilton?

            Martin was brought in to coach a team of veteran UFAs. If we rebuild with youth, say by picking near the top of draft,should Boucher or an educator type be our coach to develop our future roster?

    • montreal ace says:

      There is no doubt that our prospects look good on the back end, and that the Habs have drafted well there. I also agree with everything you said, but I would add that with the addition of Shea Weber, we could trade a few of our Dmen for elite forwards.

  9. montreal ace says:

    Hab fans deserve Shea Weber, and I hope if he becomes a real free agent during the summer, we sign him to a cap friendly deal. He would be so right for us, it would be a match made in heaven. He would not have the pressure of a scorer, but we would have a star that can change a game. Montreal is a great city with great fans, and I am tired of the media putting it down, and the only way to do that is to win. This team is making money with a losing team, lol, imagine with a winning team.

  10. matt jordan says:

    Wow is Evgeni Malkin ever good. A true superstar. Its been to long since the Canadiens have had a superstar, other than in goal.
    Good thing Gomez and Plekanec are around, a combined minus sixteen, nine goals, and thirteen million spent.

    No this team doesn’t lack a number one centre. Who needs one when you can use an excellent number two centre instead. This team has had a serious problem in its formula for far too long.

    Oh well the drive for the ol’ eight slot continues.

    • Bripro says:

      Trying to pick up a true number one centre has to be a priority for all GM’s. But how many are out there?
      How many Malkins? How many Datsyuks?
      There aren’t that many.
      As for Pleks, I’ll give you that. He’s a much better no. 2.
      Except he faces every team’s no. 1 line every night, plays big minutes on all the PKs. So it’s no wonder that his +/- is negative.
      The team’s would be far worse without him.

      And remember that most of those +/- minutes were with Cammy on wing…not exactly an elite defensive player.

      • matt jordan says:

        but it does come to a point where you can acquire the number one centre. it is possible.

        would i trade Plekanec and other pieces to acquire someone like Eric Staal, Ryan Getzlaf? In second.

        The Blue Jackets brought in Carter last year, the Kings got Mike Richards and the NYR won the Brad Richards sweepstakes.

        Do it future GM of the Canadiens!

        • TorontoHabsFan says:

          How does our “#2 Centre” stack up against the True #1’s you mention?

          Plekanec – 32 points (signed for $5m/4yrs remaining)

          Staal – 34 points ($8.25m/4 yrs)
          B. Richards – 32 points ($6.66m/8 yrs)
          M. Richards – 26 points ($5.75m/8 yrs)
          Getzlaf – 32 points ($5.35m/2 yrs)

          • boonie says:

            Fair enough, but most of those players as having sub par years, and plecs is have a relatively par year. That’s not a knock. He’s just not a number one guy.

        • Bripro says:

          We’re so accustomed to seeing Plek play the way he does, that it sounds like you’re taking him for granted.
          Personally, I think he’s as valuable as those you’ve mentioned.
          And I’m sure other teams would think so as well.
          There are only half a dozen elite centremen in the NHL, and the best is out indefinitely.
          I don’t think Plek is the problem.
          And TorontoHabs stats speak for themselves.

  11. Psycho29 says:

    Great game on now, 3-3 Pens and Caps in the 3rd on TSN/NBC…
    Two teams that really don’t like each other….

    They just mentioned Mike Bossy’s birthday, and Pierre McGuire said Bossy was “another one that got away from the Montreal Canadiens”…Bossy went 15th in the draft, The Habs took Mark Napier at 10th…Seems like a lot of OTHER teams “missed out on him”….

  12. CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:

    @bripro, thank you for the most concise and accurate summation of the misconceptions regarding the coaching/language issue, the language issue in general, and the racism accusations all in one post further down this thread

    Post of the season, I say… and had little to do with hockey, sadly.

    • Bripro says:

      And “little to do with hockey” is bang on.
      The media overshadows the politics in hockey by stirring the pot.
      And some fans jump all over it.
      The Molson family have deep roots in Quebec.
      Language separatism is an issue I’m certain they prefer to avoid.
      Geoff Molson OK’d a coaching change based on a French-Canadian’s suggestion, i.e. Pierre Gauthier.
      And most fans love Subban!
      To state that there are separatist and / or racist issues with PK are separatist and / or racist in themselves.

  13. CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:

    Can we stop with the omnipresent accusations of racism toward anyone who doesn’t like Subban and his play?

    Yes, racism is real and yes undoubtedly it seems some of the NHL vets harbored racist opinions of PK. But EVERYONE who criticizes him is not a racist.

    Accusing everyone of being racist is not only ignorant, it is counter-productive and breeds resentment which in turn can actually CREATE racism. This is a hard-learned truth here in the cradle of racism, the USA.

  14. Trisomy 21 says:

    Imagine last year’s team that took Boston to game 7 with this year’s Erik Cole…

    • TomNickle says:

      And Pacioretty? And Markov?

      Let’s just not go there. The biggest problem this team has is that our defense group isn’t consistently able to keep the dangerous areas around the net vacant.

      Gorges, Diaz, Campoli and to a lesser extent Kaberle can’t move people off of their spot.

    • Danny88 says:

      I think if we make the playoffs we can see a whole new team 🙂


  15. deuce6 says:

    According to an “Unknown NHL Source” VIA twitter VIA, the Hawks have been scouting Hal Gill for the last 3 games..


    Yes, I’m a Hab fan..Wanna fight about it?

  16. Danny88 says:



    • montreal ace says:

      Danny 15000 fans at a promotion, we have a losing team, the fans are not the problem.

      • Danny88 says:

        I don’t expect them to happy but they shouldn’t boo their own team


        • HardHabits says:

          Sometimes the boos are aimed management. Hab fans are not daft. They booed Cammy because he was phoning it in. They cheered Gomez the next game because he really looked like he gave a damn and was putting in the effort.

          The PP sucks so bad it deserves to have tomatoes thrown at it.

        • LA Loyalist says:

          fans want to see effort. They booed frank mahovolich in toronto because he was such a smooth skater it looked like he wasn’t trying.

          Go figure…

    • Habtastic says:

      What’s your gripe if you aren’t a Habs fan? I am not a boobird, but all the booing that has occured this season has been warranted. This is a different city. It’s the fans letting the team/refs/management know that this is not acceptable, and it’s not. Specially the PP. Last in the league? This isn’t Phoenix where nobody cares. As Gomez said, we know our hockey and we will reward players for good hockey and let them have it if they let up. WE’RE AWESOME FANS…CAPS LOCK FEVER…CEPT THE FANS WHO BASH PRICE AND PK…BUT THEY AREN’T REALLY THE ONES YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT

      The Drive for 25

  17. jrshabs1 says:

    I just posted this on an article on Sportsnet….
    It was all laughs and giggles at Sportsnet lastweek with Gare Joyce’s great article on the decline of the Montreal Canadiens. Funny how things change, or in some’s opinion stay the same in one week. The great and wonderful Toronto Maple Leafs “magical” start is over and dead, another loss and this time to the evil empire itself. I guess Gare Joyce didn’t see that coming when his happy fingers tickled the keyboard running down the Habs. Karma!!

    I’ll take any opportunity to stick it to Sportsnet and thier leaf loving media fanboys

    Go Habs Go!!

  18. novahab says:

    Big test again the Wings. They will play a real cup contender and lets see if they really have started to go in the right direction. I really am pulling for RC because I am loving the syle of hockey they are now playing.

  19. HardHabits says:

    Not including this season, these are the Habs past 10 over-all finishes with the Cup winner and challenger and their respective over-all finishes.

    2010-2011 14th – Boston 7th – Vancouver 1st
    2009-2010 19th – Chicago 3rd – Philadelphia 18th
    2008-2009 13th – Pittsburgh 8th – Detroit 3rd
    2007-2008 3rd – Detroit 1st – Pittsburgh 4th
    2006-2007 19th – Anaheim 4th – Ottawa 9th
    2005-2006 15th – Carolina 4th – Edmonton 14th
    2003-2004 13th – Tampa 2nd – Calgary 12th
    2002-2003 20th – Jersey 4th – Anaheim 10th
    2001-2002 18th – Detroit 1st – Carolina 16th
    2000-2001 24th – Colorado 1st – Jersey 3rd

    The Habs have had an average of 16th over-all with one top 10 finish in that span. Some people like to use Edmonton, Columbus and the Islanders as teams who have had many high picks yet remain in the cellar. How the Habs differ from these teams is that they have a record of drafting well, by necessity, in the late rounds. Why would people be so quick to assume that the Habs wouldn’t benefit from a high pick or two. The Habs have training facilities, a well structured farm system, and financial resources, they have a storied history, a passionate and knowledgeable fan base and even notwithstanding the current circus (going on since the Centennial BTW) they can draw upon any number of talented resources to fill positions in the club as many people and players would still be eager to work here as much as people would like to tell you different. Montreal is not some back woods hick town.

    It’s not a question of To Tank or Not To Tank but a question of how does this team successfully pull itself to being a team that can be a solid contender for top 5 finishes and have the team with the organizational depth and personnel in place to sustain four rounds of play-off hockey.

    From what I have seen with the Canadiens in the past 10 years and longer is that they have been built to squeak through 82 games of regular season hockey in the hopes that a team entering as one of the last seeds, having been battered and bruised throughout the season, will be able to sustain the onslaught from teams that finished higher than them in the standings all that while giving up home ice advantage.

    But as the saying goes, once you make the play-offs, anything can happen.

    Notable trends. In the past 10 Cup wins, New Jersey, Carolina, Anaheim and Pittsburgh have all lost in the Finals going on to win it a few years afterwards.

    • TomNickle says:

      I agree with your philosophy on the high draft picks obviously. And this team has drafted so very well over the years that having a couple of premium picks this deep into Trevor Timmins’ tenure would have a high likelihood of cementing the Habs as a perennial contender. With Price, Subban, Emelin, Tinordi, Beaulieu, Eller, Pacioretty, Gallagher and Leblanc. Adding a Yakupov or Grigorenko could very well make this team elite.

      • 24 Cups says:

        “Adding a Yakupov or Grigorenko could very well make this team elite.”

        There is a possible window of opportunity there to grab one of those two guys. Sure beats trading away major assets to bring in a Carter, Richards or Getzlaf.

        If the Habs stay ten points out, it would be prudent to strip the club bare. This might be our only chance to hit a homerun.

        • Chris says:

          I think I’d rather take Getzlaf…you know what you’re getting with him. There aren’t too many point-per-game players in the NHL. Getzlaf has been one of them for the past 4 seasons.

          I don’t know what happened down in Anaheim this season, but I suspect Getzlaf still knows how to play hockey. Last year, Getzlaf was the fantasy acquisition of probably half the posters on this site. Now, it’s like he’s a bum.

          Hope Shea Weber doesn’t have an off-year in the near future. 😉

          Kane was an unquestionable home-run. So was Ovechkin or Crosby.

          But these guys? Maybe they’ll be home runs…but I’m not particularly convinced that Nail Yakupov or Mikhail Grigorenko, expected to go 1-2, are all that much better than some of the second tier forwards.

          I could easily see this draft end up like 2005, where Gilbert Brule and Benoit Pouliot got drafted high but the best forwards after Crosby were drafted 11th (Anze Kopitar), 33rd (James Neal), 44th (Paul Stastny) and 8th (Devin Setoguchi) overall.

    • Phil C says:

      The Habs would not only benefit from a high pick, but they would benefit from keeping more of their picks in general. In a cap system, you simply cannot have an entire roster of free agents, its too expensive. DD and MaxPac are good examples: two-thirds of the 1st line is signed next year for $850K and $1.625M respectively which represents awesome value. The free agent equivalent would probably cost $5-8M, or more. The only way to maintain this kind of value is to continually draft well and often (and high if possible).

      Young prospects are easier to manage because they are exempt from waivers until they play enough games. Free agents that don’t work out cannot be kept on the farm for depth (Woywitka for example), whereas a promising prospect can go up or down to provide depth (ie Leblanc). Your ideas about building via the draft are fundamentally sound.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      I do think that the Canadiens have an array of competitive advantages, including those that you list. How these have not produced a solid, consistent winner in the last two decades is puzzling. I wonder how much of a disadvantage the scrutiny and pressure is, in terms of driving away free agents or making them too costly, in terms of making the team burn through coaches, most of which become successful elsewhere, and in terms of hampering the development of homegrown talent. Apparently it’s a big enough disadvantage to cancel out the positives.

      Stability and strong leadership will allow us to maximize our advantages. Mr. Molson needs to find good hockey people and provide them with all the tools they need to succeed, then stay out of their way. The turmoil since he took over has forced him to step in on occasion, with mixed results. I applaud his inclination to stay in the background as opposed to being a nouveau Steinbrenner.

      Instead of churning through trades and trying to eke into the playoffs, this season needs to be dedicated to identifying the young players we are going to build our team around, and then giving those kids the coaching and minutes they need. Trusty veterans, noble warriors though they may be, should be exchanged for prospects and picks.

      We’ve discussed the meaning of the word ‘tank’, and how I abhor the word and its connotation of wilful losing. We do agree that the present team as constituted will not win the Cup, so we must keep building. We agree that sometimes you need to take a step back to move forward. So let’s not chase players with a view to helping the team immediately, let’s not plug holes, as we attempted to do with Tomas Kaberle.

      I do believe in cutting our losses in this campaign to be ready to fight another day.

      How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?

  20. novahab says:

    I don’t know why people are craping on Gionta. He has the heart of a lion and thats why he is the captain. He going through some injuries but would love to have this guy back right now. Talking about kicking a guy when he down.

  21. Sportfan says:

    It’s funny we aren’t that far away from 8th spot in the conference and yes this hasn’t been an ideal season but we aren’t done yet.

    Everywhere you look it’s negativity about this team and its really gross are you actually a fan when you constantly bad mouth the team? Its sickening how much negativity is directed to the habs.

    You know there are people who believe that being negative brings on negative things and that being positive brings on positivity things. So maybe all the negative bs coming from everyone who bad mouths the team is also pulling them down, it’s just an idea.

    • Sportfan says:

      Also the people who are always saying bad stuff about the team and just keep going on and on about how bad we are. When we start winning and play really great hockey again, you are going to come back and pretend like you never said anything bad and really thats sad you might as well be a band wagon fan.

      • HardHabits says:

        You’re right. The Habs are bad because of all the things written here, not the other way around.

      • DadidolizedDougHarvey says:

        I hear you Sportfan… but the people are frustrated and they are blowing off steam..but I hear you.

        • Sportfan says:

          Oh i know they are blowing off steam i have as well but there are days where its on and on and on and on its really annoying. It was more interesting when people would talk strategy or the possibility of a good trade or rumor haha or about how well certain players are playing. Lately its everyone is bad lets trade them bad game oh send him down or trade him. That’s really boring

      • Trisomy 21 says:

        You’ve got it all wrong. I don’t know how often you come to the site but many people were pretty positive after we beat the Rangers, only to lay a goose egg the next day. Fact is this is a reoccurring trend we’ve seen all year, it’s hard to keep staying positive. I’d even argue that hoping the Habs tank is looking for silver lining in this disappointing season, since we could get a franchise player in the draft.

        Additionally, most people are calling the habs what they are and have been all season, terrible. Sure they’re getting better, but making the playoffs is very unrealistic, and continuously believing there’s a chance is dangerously close to being a leafs fan. There’s a fine line between being what you perceive as negative, and being realistic. I don’t know how you define a bandwagon fan. To me it’s one who doesn’t give a damn about the team until all of a sudden they’re hot. Not calling a spade a spade and then being happy when they’re finally doing well.

        • HardHabits says:

          Mathematically speaking the Habs are not out of it. However just to put things into perspective, if they win the next 10 games straight they would still more than likely be no better than 10th, possibly 9th. The only way they would be in the play-off picture would be if every team in front of them that they could catch would lose 10 games in a row in regulation in that span as well. To say that it would be highly improbable is giving too much credit to exaggeration.

          The loser point makes it seem like teams are closer than they are.

    • Danny88 says:

      The majority of the people who keep talking bad about the team when they are not doing good and then speak good about them if they are doing good are not real fans. Those are people who never take the time to watch the games but still give their opinion as if they know, but really they are just stupid people in general because a smart person wouldn’t comment on something he has no knowledge on.


      • HardHabits says:

        How do you explain your comment then?

      • Trisomy 21 says:

        So we should ‘talk good’ about the team when they are playing poorly? So comments like this?
        Nazem Kadri is going to be the next Crosby!
        Tyler Bozak came out of nowhere and is going to be a 50 point guy!
        Mark my words Jake Gardiner will be an allstar
        Luke Schenn for Jonathan Toews!

    • JUST ME says:

      I so agree with you. To me all those who are negative do not appreciate hockey for what it is : a game. They are sore losers and do not look at any other team or athlete for what they are worth .Losing games and winning some is part of the deal that includes 30 teams that play in a league in wich parity is very much present.

      Meanwhile some other teams are faliling like a rock like Tampa Buffalo and others that may follow but for Montreal to follow the same trend is unnaceptable even though it is part of the game and that only one out of all the teams will get to win the big prize.

      What really bugs me about all the negative comments is that if the team wins two games in a row then it`s back on the bandwagon and act as if nothing has been said. It is true though that there are some true fans that support the team through thick and tin and keep a positive attitude from day one until the end of the season.

      And to those that complaint about ticket prices well..sell your damn tickets ! People will line up to give you back every penny that you spent.

      Negative brings negative ? You could not be more on the point there. I guess people just do not realize and prefer to express any feeling may it be bad or else…Human nature…

      • Trisomy 21 says:

        I don’t understand what you expect…
        If the team wins, often it’s because they play well. There’s not much criticism to give when we beat the Rangers who were in first place. So we say good job boys.
        When they get shut out, should we still say oh well it was still a great job… good game boys… No. I’m a hockey fan, I can see when my team is playing like shite, and I’ll point it out too.

  22. Phil C says:

    Habs management needs to take a lot of the blame for the issues with Subban because he has been asked to play No.1 defenseman minutes in his second year. This goes beyond Markov not being healthy; the Habs never replaced the minutes Hamrlik used to log. Hamrlik led the team for the last two years in ice time averaging over 22 minutes/game, playing 75 and 79 games respectively. Taking a risk on Markov can be debated either way, but not replacing Hamrlik was inexcusable. The cascade effect of losing the team’s no 1 and no 2 defensemen has resulted in ALL of the d-pairings becoming weaker in their new role. Subban and Gorges would have been more effective in a 3-4 role and specialists like Gill and Weber would not have been exposed to 2nd pairing minutes or bad match-ups. And their future all-star defenseman has been over-exposed. The only silver lining is that Diaz and Emelin have been given a great opportunity to develop and both look much better for the experience. Emelin looks like he could be a top-four d-man as early as next year if he keeps improving.

    For those of you who are still down on Subban, sometimes the view from the outside can add perspective. Here is the scouting report on PK from The Hockey News (yes, they use the term mega-talented):

    ASSETS: Has outstanding skating ability and excels at rushing up ice with the puck. Can quarterback a power play and also initiate contact. Displays a flair for the dramatic. Shoots the puck with aplomb and also gets under opponents’ skin.

    FLAWS: Needs to simplify his game, since he tends to run around in his own end at times. Also tries to do too much with the puck. On-ice antics may at times annoy his own teammates and the coaching staff.

    CAREER POTENTIAL: Mega-talented offensive defenseman with great upside.

    • JF says:

      Very good post.

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      I assume that Gomez will be taken care of one way or another.

      We need to find out about Markov one way or another. I am hoping that he plays some this year so that he can be assessed. Otherwise, as you say, he may have to go on the LTIR permanently. He needs to be played or replaced. We can’t go on like this.

      I think Gionta will be here for another year. With his injury, I can’t see how he will be dealt this year. Next year, we should no longer be a team full of midgets, and I think he can play a valuable role until Gallagher can take over in his place.

  23. HardHabits says:

    There is some good news for the Habs moving forward.

    If you take Gomez, Gionta, Markov and Kaberle for example. Gionta and Markov are injured. Gomez has not provided much and there is no doubt that 7.4M in cap space could be better spent. Kaberle as much as I didn’t like the trade and still don’t like it at the very least represents some value in the points column. I doubt he is integral to the Habs success though and if traded I get the impression he wouldn’t be sorely missed.

    That’s 23 million in cap space. How many teams are succeeding with such a potential gap in pay-roll?

    The problem or challenge is making that collective cap hit help the team rather than hurt it.

    If the team is to build around a veteran presence I think most would agree that it should be Cole. No player in recent memory as a Hab has put his money where his mouth is on the ice as opposed to off of it. Cole is true leadership by example. Gionta is all heart but he doesn’t strike me as the on ice leader.

    So hopefully the Habs can trade Gionta and bury Gomez in the near future. Hopefully Markov rebounds a la Selanne, if not put him on the permanent IR. Kaberle’s game should improve with the Habs and thus he as well could be trade bait sometime down the road. Hopefully sooner than later.

    I still think the Habs are 2-3 years away but they have the building blocks to look very good when that fork in the road comes into view. Which path they take, the perpetual middle road of mediocrity or the road that takes them to being elite IMO hinges on how they play their cards from here until then.

    Hopefully they get more aggressive at the draft and at acquiring picks than doing the exact opposite in trading away picks for rentals that never get resigned. Poor choices in personnel, not just injuries, and lack of organizational depth have been the Achilles heel hampering the team’s ability to make real progress.

    • TomNickle says:

      The draft really hasn’t been a problem for them in hindsight. They haven’t really been in a position to draft a superstar since the 2003 draft. They take heat for drafting Andrei Kostitsyn consistently but if revisionism is the flavour of the year. Let’s take a look at the 2007 draft.

      The Habs got Pacioretty following these selections in front of him in the first round- Keaton Ellerby, Colton Gillies, Alex Plante, Ian Cole, Logan McMillan, Angelo Esposito and Riley Nash. The Habs then got Subban in the second round with the following players being drafted after Pacioretty and before him(Subban) – Patrick White, Nick Petrecki, Jim O’Brien, Nick Ross, TJ Brennan, Brett MaClean, Taylor Ellington, Josh Godfrey, Tommy Cross, Joel Gistedt, Stefan Legien, Bill Sweat, Simon Hjalmarsson, Michal Repik, Kevin Marshall and Eric Tangradi.

      There are other NHL notables among these selections but very few, in fact only a handful who have enjoyed the early success that Subban and Pacioretty have. And this is only one draft with only two selections being counted.

      • HardHabits says:

        They also draft McDonagh that year. *le sigh*

        • TomNickle says:

          McDonagh looks good. But it’s proof positive that player development is the biggest factor for determining who makes it and who doesn’t. He wasn’t trending forward in College at all. He was average at best until his senior season. The trade looked good at the time, it hasn’t gone as expected.

          • Chris says:

            McDonagh never played as a senior.

            He played 40 games as an 18 year old freshmen for one of the top hockey programs in Division I, leading the team’s defencemen in goals.

            He played 36 games as a sophomore as a top-4 defenceman. He also played for the US WJC team and led the team in +/-. Trevor Timmins repeatedly stated he was very happy with McDonagh’s development and would be extremely unhappy when McDonagh was traded.

            In his final season in Wisconsin as a junior, he helped the Badgers to the NCAA finals and was a front-runner for the captaincy if he returned for his senior season, which he did not.

  24. H.Upmann says:

    @Adidess… You’re absolutely right about L’Antichambre having an agenda… Im also willing to bet that PK wouldn’t be the focus of this kind of scrutiny if he wasn’t black and Anglo. PK infuriates these media types because he has enormous talent and they would like to fit him into a square- and even better if they can vteach him a lesson…. On another note, I think Boucher could be a great Habs coach and would definately know how to handle PK. Don’t really know my hockey, but I feel like some kind of forechecking system or modified 1-3-1 would fit the Habs well, whatever it takes to spend less time in our zone a la JM. Have a good weekend y’all.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      I suggest that the charge that it is the Francos picking on an Anglo is quite unfair.

      Dumb little Frenchies who resent any non-French talent.

      The fact that many many English Canadians (e.g. everyone on HNIC, but also players on other teams) are saying EXACTLY THE SAME THING, might make you think twice before throwing out accusations.

      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • Bripro says:

      L’AntiChambre crew are not anti-english.
      If you watched them last year or in the playoffs the year they beat both the Caps and Pens, Bergy and company were raving about PK.
      Every sentence had PK.
      What they are loathing this year is his lack of maturity.
      And isn’t that an obvious issue?
      The french preference is for coaching, and that’s because the coach is a direct liaison to the media.
      You’re making up an issue which isn’t there.
      It was when that pompous ass Alain “Le Baron” Chanteloix was on, but I don’t see it anymore.

  25. Adidess says:

    Watched L’Antichambre last night. The whole gang starting with Michel Therrien spent the first section of the post-game talking about PK, after a win where he wasn’t a significant factor, positive or negative. To me, that speaks to a clear agenda. The narrative was out of thin air and ended up focusing on what happened the day before (PK’s exchange with Ladouceur and so on).

    They were piling on on how Subban seems to be making the same mistakes (no look pass the day before to a confused Gomez who felt the urge to join 2 teammates on the same side of the ice, leaving no support on the left side). You know what, Subby should have looked, so fair criticism.

    What disgusted me was that bold declaration from former NHLer,
    Denis Gauthier, whom I can’t remember seeing on NHL ice a whole lot. He said somebody who knows PK well told him you cannot have a team if PK is on it. Denis can’t say who that is, but yes that person is positive, you have PK you have no team. You want a team, get rid of PK. He’s too disruptive.

    Now I know these guys on L’Antichambre likes to stir things up and try to outdo one another quite often, but to me this is a whole new level.

    I don’t mind being on the record as the guy who reported this here. French is my first language, so it’s not like I completely misunderstood what he was saying. He’s showed bias against Subban in the past, repeatedly pointing how he needs to drop the gloves to get respect. But I feel this was the most unfair thing to date, considering Subban is not know as a problem kid, unless you consider not coming from the same mold as everyone else as a problem in itself.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      I am reading a book about the wine trade. There was this fellow who inherited a smaller Chateau in Bordeaux. He was unconventional – wanted to use traditional methods, but also spoke out quite a bit about the name Chateaux and their unfortunate practices.

      The big guys didn’t just shun him, they arranged for tax inspectors and cops to harass him, slandered him constantly, etc …

      Hockey is a bit like that. There is a way of doing things, and anyone who is different is a pariah. (Don Cherry to a tee.) Therien is especially bad in that respect.

      That said, there IS a problem with PK. If it was only Martin, that would be one thing. But if guys like Hal Gill and Pleks can’t stand him, there is something to it.

      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • Boomer says:

      Denis Gauthier used to play in Calgary and he once mentioned something interesting about Cammy, he was told Cammy wasn’t well liked in the locker room and was Extremely self centered, it was Cammy first, team second, and it hurt the team. and when Cammy left Calgary the first time a lot of guys were saying “good riddance” (I believe he said this last year on L’antichambre). anyways he doesn’t strike me as the kind of guy that makes stuff up. PK could be a trouble maker in the room, it’s possible. Hal Gill telling him not to be an asshole after practice, Gomez ignoring him after a game winning goal, fighting with Plekanec in practice…there could be a lot more we don’t know about but it is entirely possible PK is a problem, I like his skills and i hope it works out but there’s definately something wrong

      Boom baby!

    • DadidolizedDougHarvey says:

      I too was really disappointed with Denis Gauthier ‘s contribution to the pecking party that was going on. I usually appreciate what he has to say, but last night he sounded sounded like a bunch of guys sitting in a bar complaining about women…

    • Bripro says:

      PK is quickly developing a reputation in the league, and not a good one.
      If he going to skate by an opposing (Bruins’) bench and shoot his mouth off, then he needs to back it up.
      When he drops into the fetal position, then there’s a problem.
      PK needs to take a time-out, either in his room or in the corner.

  26. Chris says:

    Since CBC bias was mentioned, here’s my ideal situation using their current staff:

    Play-by-play: Mark Lee

    Easily my favourite of the current stable of play-by-play announcers. Which of course means that he rarely gets called for Eastern Conference games.

    Colour commentary: Kevin Weekes

    Rapidly becoming one of my favourite TV personalities for hockey. Knowledgeable, articulate and he doesn’t seem to need to hear himself talk all the time. I think he has a strong understanding of the game, and he’s got a great demeanour on-air.

    Studio host: Scott Oake

    How Ron MacLean ever passed Oake on the totem poll at CBC is beyond me. Oake is the consummate professional, knows his sports inside out and doesn’t need to resort to lame puns and jokes to do his job.

    Intermission segment: Kelly Hrudey

    When he’s not hamming it up, Hrudey is articulate and knowledgeable. I sometimes think he tries to hard to be liked by everybody, but that hasn’t stopped him from ripping into a player on occasion (ask Rene Bourque!).

    Features: Scott Russell

    I grew up watching Scott Russell on CBC-Montreal (we had a satellite dish in the 1980’s, as there was no cable TV and exceptionally poor antenna reception where I grew up). Over the years, Russell has done a fantastic job of reporting on sports, never coming across as particularly preachy but often managing to find worthwhile stories.

    People I’d can…

    Don Cherry, Greg , Glenn Healy, P.J. Stock, Mike Milbury, Bob Cole, Dean Brown

    Cole is the only one on that list that was good. But he’s clearly befuddled in any game not featuring the Leafs. The rest range from useless to hopeless wastes of time.

    • Bripro says:

      I’m with you except for a few reservations.
      Kelly Hrudy comes across to me as a whiner.
      Scott Russell was great when he started in Montreal.
      But his ego has outgrown his reputation.

      But don’t forget Elliotte Friedman. He’s the best CBC has.

      • Chris says:

        I’m still not crazy about Elliote Friedman. He has improved a ton since his days on The Score (I couldn’t stand him back then), but I find he is better in print than he is on air.

        • Bripro says:

          His demeanour is indeed subdued, but isn’t that better than a loud-mouthed buffoon like Cherry?
          Friedman’s information is always factual, and never one for over-the-top reporting.
          Some reporters cannot shy away from sensationalism.
          Take a look at the hotstove interview between Scott Oake and Cammy, where Oake is trying to make something out of the lost-in-translation report which led up the Cammy trade, coincidentally, perhaps.
          Cooyons to Cammy for taking the high road.

        • HabFanSince72 says:

          Elliote knows he needs to brown-nose in order to maintain access.

          Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

  27. HabFanSince72 says:

    Farber is right that hockey lacks star power, but it isn’t because of parity or good coaching leveling the playing field. By decreeing that Bruin-style hockey was the product it was interested in selling, the league has gotten: Bruin-style hockey.

    NHL.COM still uses fighting to sell the game. Almost all the star players have suffered at least one concussion.

    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • Bigdawg says:

      how many natural born atheletes do you think choose Hockey over some other sport? Most natural talents are good at more than one sport – how many choose the sport with the concussion league?

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        In Quebec, fewer and fewer.

        Just look at how many Quebec athletes excel at sports like freestyle skiing and short-track speed skating, while there are almost no top hockeyers coming out of the province most years.

        Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

  28. Shane1313 says:

    Who is Matt Mckenna…wonderful song haha

    • issie74 says:

      apropo of nothing:

      My 14 year old grandson was at the ACC last night,seated behind the goal and wearing his Habs jersey with a big sign reading the Price is Right,as pricey skated by he tapped the glass with his stick.
      P.K’s Mom was there and took pictures of him and his buddies.
      Needless to say the boys had a great time.


  29. Shane1313 says:

    I hope people give PK a break. This kid is obviously so talented. He is a star and he will be a top ten D-men very soon. We shouldn’t forget that Doughty, Myers and many other D-men go through somphomore slumps…People(especially Antichambre last night) constantly crap on him. Subban is a stand out guy, gotta cut him some slack.

    • Adidess says:

      Watched L’Antichambre last night. The whole gang starting with Michel Therrien spent the first section of the post-game talking about PK, after a win where he wasn’t a significant factor, positive or negative. To me, that speaks to a clear agenda. The narrative was out of thin air and ended up focusing on what happened the day before (PK’s exchange with Ladouceur and so on).

      They were piling on on how Subban seems to be making the same mistakes (no look pass the night before to a confused Gomez who felt the urge to join 2 teammates on the same side of the ice, leaving no support on the left side). You know what, Subby should have looked, so fair criticism.

      What disgusted me was that bold assertion from former NHLer,
      Denis Gauthier, whom I can’t remember seeing on NHL ice a whole lot. He said somebody who knows PK well told him you cannot have a team if PK is on it. Denis can’t say who that is, but yes that person is positive, you have PK you have no team. You want a team, get rid of PK. He’s too disruptive.

      Now I know these guys on L’Antichambre like to stir things up and try to outdo one another quite often, but to me this is a whole new level.

      I don’t mind being on the record as the guy who reported this here. French is my first language, so it’s not like I completely misunderstood what he was saying. He’s showed bias against Subban in the past, repeatedly pointing how he needs to drop the gloves to get respect. But I feel this was the most unfair thing to date, considering Subban is not known as a problem kid, unless you consider not coming from the same mold as everyone else as a problem in itself.

    • jedimyrmidon says:

      Yeah, losing him because of short-term struggles would be a huge blow to the team’s future. Hard to see a situation where the Habs would gain more than another team if they were to trade him away. I shudder at the thought…

      The media has got to stop spewing out stories against him, i.e., singling him out. Look at what happened with Cammalleri. In no way am I saying it’s a bad trade, but I’m pretty sure the media articles played a role in that. Sometimes it can be good, but in other cases it can make things really bad.

  30. Les Canayens says:

    So any mention of Toe Blake as argument for a best possible candidate coach not necessarily bilingual for the Habs will be invalid from now on.

    ☞ I can’t really hear what Jeremy says, because I’ve got my two Stanley Cup rings plugging my ears.☜

  31. Psycho29 says:

    It was mentioned this morning by Rick Moffat on CJAD that Price suffered a cut to his foot after last night’s game.
    Has it been mentioned anywhere else or in the print media???

  32. DorvalTony says:

    Cole was amazing, he’s like a giant unstoppable animal. He should be captain, what a remarkable leader.

    ”First of all, you have to have continuity if you are to have success,” Pollock told the New York Times. ”I think it gets the manager and the players to become more attached to each other.” – Sam Pollock

  33. CF says:

    Listened to CBC for 90 seconds, couldn’t take it, I wouldn’t have believed it could have gotten worse, but it has. The Bias is embarassing. Too bad Hughson, Healy, and Craig (1982 called and they want their hair style back) Simpson didn’t have to answer questions regarding their Bias and lack of professionalism.

    But more importantly. I’ve noticed a trend over the last couple of games. And it shouldn’t go unnoticed. Not sure if anyone else has. For the last few years, the Habs have been pushed around, shoved around, punched, cross-checked, face washed, laughed at, poked, pretty much beaten up after every whistle and during every scrum.

    Funny thing, it has changed. Interestingly enough, it started with the playing of Mr. Mike Blunden. When was the last time we had so many big bodies on each line.
    Having Moen, Blunden, Bourque, Cole, Spatch, AK, Darche (even though he wouldn’t hurt a flea), and surprisingly Gill—who should be credited with finally using some of his size to physically punish a few opposition forwards who have tried to take liberties in our crease. He didn’t do it earlier, but he’s done it lately.

    If nothing else, the RANDY should be given credit for coaching a team that is showing some Balls, and it’s much more fun to watch. Having 7 or 8 wingers who are at least 6′ and 200lbs is something we haven’t enjoyed for a very, very, long time.

    • DorvalTony says:

      Even Gomez looks like he’s had a heart transplant. But wtf was the fight with Cunneyworth over?

      ”First of all, you have to have continuity if you are to have success,” Pollock told the New York Times. ”I think it gets the manager and the players to become more attached to each other.” – Sam Pollock

    • Chris says:

      If Jim Hughson has a bias, it is to the Vancouver Canucks, not the Toronto Maple Leafs.

      • CF says:

        I guess you didn’t listen too closely last night. I used to think the same thing, I remember him calling all the late games for Van city too. He knows who writes his cheques, and he knows what they want to hear. Period.

        • Chris says:

          I didn’t listen at all, to be honest…I was out at a party. Watched the game, but caught little sound.

          That being said, I have watched enough Jim Hughson games over the years to question a bias against the Habs. I loved when he called games a couple of seasons ago.

          Cole is a bit senile. Healy, Millen and Milbury are pretty rabidly anti-Montreal. Simpson, Hughson, Lee, Campbell, Friedman, Hrudey…they are all pretty neutral in my opinion.

          But then again, I also find that Habs fans can be awfully thin-skinned much of the time. Sounds like last night was especially bad, but so many times I come on here and read about referee or commentator bias and wonder whether I watched the same game.

          • Jim Edson says:

            Hugheson just follows the script as written by Ron Maclean.

            Maclean has huge editorial control at HNIC!

            What does the Commissioner of the NHL do?

            In short, a league commissioner is the action man for the Board of Governors.

            They tell him what they want done and he works to make it happen through his subordinates while making sure that individual franchises play by the rules.

            ******** Translated if you haven’t won the Stanley Cup in 40 years your NHL team is becoming irrelevant in a sports mad city long behind MLB, NFL and NBA teams, you just tell the commissioner(who you gave a new contract at 7 plus million per) to make it happen and the rules are bent sufficiently to action the command.

          • CF says:

            Noted, and I remember when he would get the call years ago for a Habs game and it wasn’t too bad. It has changed.

          • Les Canayens says:


            Last night’s color commentators was not as much anti-Habs as it was rather more Toronto-centric, given that Healy can only comment on what he knows after doing Leafs games mostly. If he had commented more on the Habs we would be blasting him for inaccurate knowledge of the Habs anyway.

            ☞ I can’t really hear what Jeremy says, because I’ve got my two Stanley Cup rings plugging my ears.☜

          • Lawrencetown Liquor Pigs says:

            Healey seems to have gotten better the last few years. I think, as much as I want to think he’s an idiot, takes the journalism thing seriously enough to at least pretend to hide the biases.

            That being said, I haven’t paid any attention to him unless it’s during a Canadiens broadcast.

            Dear Mtl Canadiens,
            Please beat Boston to tie the season series. You are about to cost me three bottles of rum in a little over a year.

          • neumann103 says:

            I live 2 miles from the Air Canada Center and the CBC Broacast facility.

            Cole is senile. Has been for years. Got worse after the medical issues he had four or five years back. Major surgery particularly later in life can really mess with things.

            Re: Hughson and Healy. I don’t detect any anti-Hab bias in them or really just about anywhere. I don’t think the league, the officials, the CBC etc have any significant bias against the Habs.

            What does exist in certain quarters is bias in favour of certain teams or agendas. Generally this is in favour of big market teams or cronies of whoever. The same is true of most sports. Even if the Dallas Cowboys or New York Giants are complete crap they probably still get 2 or 3 Monday Night games a season. You would practically have to have a Superbowl dynasty in a place like Seattle before anyone took notice. Any doubt that MLB would love to see a World Series between the Yankees and insert name of Bud Seligs closest NL crony?

            And yes, with Hughson if I expected any rooting bias it would be for the Canucks.

            But I was really startled by the open Leaf bias in last night’s telecastbith y Healy and Hughson. I really was questioning is Healy on the Leafs payroll as their man in the broadcast booth regardless of broadcaster? The way Harry Neale used to show up regardless.

            It was repeated. It was blatant. They didn’t express doubt about penalty calls or play devils advocate. They explicitly stated the refs were wrong before even seeing the replay and then bemoaned the pemalties and praised Ron Wilson for his complaining to the refs.

            Several times they referred to Leafs setbacks as unfortunate, not from the Leafs perspective but in absolute terms.

            It was the type of Homerism you might expect from a captive telecast. If it was on Leafs TV I would think nothing of it. If it was on a regional Southwestern Ontario SportsNet feed, it would be lame and unprofessional, but perhaps catering to the limited audience. If it was on an Anaheim Ducks broadcast where it seems the guy doing play by play barely understands the game you laugh it off.

            But as the National early game on the National Broadcaster and the the alleged gold standard of hockey broadcasting it was bizarre.

            Even at the height of the 1980s Oiler dynasty with many of the elite playersof the game, you would never have heard this type of bias in a Battle of Alberta game vs the Flames.

            “Et le but!”

          • matrags says:

            I watched the game with my daughter last night , and midway through the second we switched to Rds , the bias was so bad. In the USA it is said to know America you must know baseball, something like that. I think it can be said about Canada , to know Canada is to know Hockey . Specifically how the media in English Canada view the Habs . Since Hockey Night In Canada has been the bell weather entity in defining that view , it is so instructional in understanding the divide betweeen French and English Canada , to view how the national broadcaster has balkanized the habs. I swear at times it sounded like they were from a another country.

        • issie74 says:

          Not any better on RDS listing to Benoit call out Max P.HAHAHA and I hate CBC but RDS that I don’t understand.


      • habsfan0 says:

        I remember when Jim Hughson was the original play by play man for the Montreal Expos when TSN started broadcasting.

  34. nextguy says:

    something i thought about this morning. a lot of people complain about Markov’s signing this season. he has not played yet this year and is costing the canadiens nothing against the cap. let’s all agree that we as fans don’t really care that he is costing the team owners money, it hasn’t stopped them now or in the past from signing free agents or trading for costly players. now if Markov was not signed, it is likely the team would have instead made an offer to Wisniewski. had a look at his stats this morning.


    i dunno. maybe it is better that we did not sign him. at least with Markov there is still the chance that he could come back or that some other team would take a chance with him.

    • powdered toastmann says:

      The Wiz (could have been better defensively at times but) was good with the Habs last year offensively (especially on the PP)and also brought quite an edge to the team. (his +/- improved after he left the Islanders)

      This year he is with Columbus…what do you expect?

      He’s also younger than Markhov and he has played during the past 2 years. I’ll take the Wiz

      • nextguy says:

        his cap hit is 5.5 million per year for six years though. with Montreal’s future blueline looking good, having signed him would have been yet another salary anchor on this team. if Markov comes back healthy next year he will cost the Habs 5.75 for 2 more years only. After that the team can let him go and spend that money on someone else. if he never comes back then that is 5.75 freed up for a quality forward. again, i think things actually worked out rather well.

  35. EastCoastHab says:

    That’s it, I am officially learning the French language! It will have to be RDS for me in the future.
    Listening to Healey go on and on last night made me physically sick! It’s obvious that he is a great fan of the leafs and looks for every opportunity to shoot down the Habs, I mean EVERY opportunity.
    I can’t quote most of last night but I know there were about 25 occasions in which I wanted to write CBC and tell them to get this joker off the air…..he knows nothing about hockey and certainly shouldn’t be doing a coast to coast game. He should be doing an Ontario Hockey League game on radio….AM radio!

    Back to my French lessons………

    • CF says:

      +1000, been saying it for years.

    • Just a Habs Fan says:

      EastCoastHab……I agree it is getting really hard to listen to. However I have noticed just about all the play by play and assistants are bad. The Pittsburg guy is sickening and also Ottawa’s twosome ( especially Dennis Potvin ) is as bad as they come. I think that hockey in general is worse off for these hometown announcers. Personally I wouldn’t like a homer for my team. Just call it as it happens on othe ice.

    • Phil C says:

      I only watch the Habs in English a few times a year now. That’s about all I can take. On RDS, once you learn a few of the key words they use over and over, you can pick up most of the play-by-play. I only catch about 3/4s of what they say on Antichambre because the sentences are more complicated compared to the play-by-play.

      I also find the RDS guys have a very high hockey IQ and call the game very accurately compared to some of the English broadcasters. And of course they are heavily biased towards the Habs which is nice for Habs fans. Among the English guys, I find Ray Ferraro calls the game very accurately.

      I can understand the difficulty for the CBC when it is two Canadian teams, in that it would be hard to call the game completely neutral, but when the Habs are playing an American team, they STILL don’t favour the Canadian team (at least the Habs). I couldn’t watch any of the Pittsburgh series from 2010 on CBC, the Sydney Crosby love-in was nauseating, and according to them Montreal didn’t play well, Pittsburgh were making mistakes, etc.

  36. GenerationYHabs says:

    Here’s a question; If the leafs fail to make the playoffs yet again after another “Strong Start” does Burkie still have a job next year?

  37. FlyingFrenchie says:

    Watching those old clips…
    How I miss the style and the grace of the old days…..
    What a wonderful game it was back them.

  38. j2w4habs25 says:

    According to Dave Stubbs, the attendance was about 15, 000. this morning at practice (Bell Centre)

    Carey Price #31

  39. Ian Cobb says:

    68 possible points left to earn for us this year. We are 7 points back of 8th spot today.

    If we could only find the KEY to our PP problems, we could climb into a play off spot very quickly.
    But not much time left to get that KEY.

    • naweed235 says:

      the key is very simple and is the same key that was missing all the previous yrs before it was found… Sourray, Streit, Schnieder, MAB and Wiznewski … We need that big bomb from the blue line

  40. otter649 says:

    So what is 151 km per hour in miles per hour ? Thats what Subban shot the puck at practice today in a skills competion with Weber second @147 km……

    • crazyhabsfan says:


    • Jim Edson says:

      94.375 mph

      What does the Commissioner of the NHL do?

      In short, a league commissioner is the action man for the Board of Governors.

      They tell him what they want done and he works to make it happen through his subordinates while making sure that individual franchises play by the rules.

      ******** Translated if you haven’t won the Stanley Cup in 40 years your NHL team is becoming irrelevant in a sports mad city long behind MLB, NFL and NBA teams, you just tell the commissioner(who you gave a new contract at 7 plus million per) to make it happen and the rules are bent sufficiently to action the command.

  41. crazyhabsfan says:

    Check out our boy Tinordi here!! Am I ever getting excited to watch this guy for years to come!

  42. FlyingFrenchie says:

    Last night Glenn Healy said”our team” when referring to Toronto.
    Thanks Glen for taking the occupation of” BIASED FOOL” to a whole new level!
    You and Cherry make a great PEAR…

    I wish somebody would pay me to act like an idiot.

    • j2w4habs25 says:

      RDS is the real show

      Carey Price #31

      • DorvalTony says:

        Not only that, Pierre Houde did a great job in English years ago one time on TSN when he was called to do an emergency fill in. The guy is a throwback to Lecavalier and Gallivan.

        ”First of all, you have to have continuity if you are to have success,” Pollock told the New York Times. ”I think it gets the manager and the players to become more attached to each other.” – Sam Pollock

    • Sharks9 says:

      Yea I heard that too, what a joke. I wish one of the other guys had called him out on it.

      25 before 14

    • HardHabits says:

      I think he said “our goal-tender” when referring to Gionta running him over. Said difference.

      The CBC was so Toronto-centric they were unabashed at not hiding it. The Habs were truly the away team.

      It made the Habs win all the more enjoyable.

      I don’t hate the Leafs but the CBC choosing them as their team is certainly making me loathe them.

    • showey47 says:

      I just had this discussion an hour ago with a leaf friend of mine. His response was “i’m sure the pro-hab broadcasters on rds do the same thing”. I then reminded him cbc isn’t a regional broadcaster like rds,they are a national broadcaster who are supposed to be a non-biased group of hockey commentators and analysists. He then kind of sat there with a dumbfounded look on his face and had no idea what to say.

    • powdered toastmann says:

      Yah, Healy does seem kinda fruity.

  43. Psycho29 says:

    Weird……I looked at the goalie rankings this morning, and even after giving up only 1 goal, Price is still ranked 60th in the league! What gives?????

    Oh wait I used Crapdelusional’s logic and did my sort in alphabetical order!!!! D’OH!!!!!


    • mb says:

      Wait! So you mean Alex Auld is NOT one of the best goalies in the league??? And Thomas isn’t one of the worst??

      Oh well. 😉

    • DorvalTony says:

      He’s 14th and rising. But you have to admit he’s been disappointing this year, letting in too many softies and too many early and late goals and has been clueless on breakaways and in the shootout. Props though, he was on the top of his game last night. If he continues to play up to his hype there is definitely hope for a playoff run and some entertaining and spirited hockey. I want him to succeed but the mental part of his game has been really fuzzy this year.

      ”First of all, you have to have continuity if you are to have success,” Pollock told the New York Times. ”I think it gets the manager and the players to become more attached to each other.” – Sam Pollock

      • issie74 says:

        No Tony, I don’t know about anyone else but I don;t feel the need to admit any such thing.


      • jedimyrmidon says:

        Not sure about the early and late goals. I can definitely agree that he’s lost a bit of confidence on breakaways and shootouts, looking at our dismal record this year (and Toronto’s only goal last night on a breakaway).

        Thing is, he was pretty good last year in that regard, and I’m pretty sure he was good at it before as well (World Juniors?). Hopefully, in the Skills Competition this weekend can help him regain some of that confidence and hopefully it won’t work the other way.

  44. AliHaba says:

    This has probably been mentioned earlier but one of the funniest moments from the game was Glenn Healy apologizing for Mike Komisarek not fighting Moen. Said he was at the end of a long shift and was gassed. At the ensuing face-off who’s still on the ice? …the aforementioned Komo. Maybe he had visions of a thrashing from another western boy.

    • Chris says:

      I just want to know why the focus was on Komisarek turning down the fight in the first place. That check could not have been more clean…he didn’t try to wreck Moen, kept his arms low and didn’t leave his feet.

      And STILL Moen challenges him to a fight.

      • ArmyFan says:

        Agreed – that drives me nuts. Lucic does it all the time – gets hit clean and solid, and goes after the guy. You see it quite a bit. The “how dare you hit me, I’m a tough guy” reaction.

        I like Moen, but was kind of disappointed at that reaction.

        Regardless, the fact that “Homer Healy” felt he had to defend Komisarek was pathetic. I know it’s said all the time, but the Leaf bias on HNIC is embarrassing.

      • jmsheehy19 says:

        Agreed. One of the bad things that has creeped into the game is every clean hit demanding a fight. Moen shouo have had a quick word with Emelin (pretty sure) about hanging him out to dry with that pass. Moen had no chance to brace for the hit. not a huge issue, just something Emmy needs to learn.

    • Whatever says:

      I believe it was an icing call against Toronto. Komisarek had to stay on the ice.

      Moen can fight him if he wants, but it was a clean hit. Although taking advantage of an easy hit as Kaberle puts a suicide pass behind Moen.

  45. price365 says:

    Pleks, weber, 2nd rounder for Parise any takers

  46. Psycho29 says:

    From Damien Cox’s article…I’m surprised he didn’t mention Subban “trying to put Kadri through the end boards…”

    “The Habs got a lucky bounce for a goal in the first, capitalized on two Leaf turnovers to jump ahead 2-1 in the third and iced the game on a play on which Travis Moen shoved Jake Gardiner into Leaf netminder Jonas Gustavsson, who was too busy complaining about that treatment to stop Lars Eller’s shot.”

  47. Ian Cobb says:

    Weekly stats on where we place in the 30 team league.

    As well we are 7 points back of Washington, who are in 8th place in our conference.

    Goals A. 132-We are in 12th. Last week were 13th with 122.
    Points . 45-We are in 23rd Last week were 24th with 40.
    Goals F. 123- We are in 20th Last week were 24th with 112.

    34 games left. OR 68 possible points to collect yet!
    Piece of cake! All we have to do is WIN.

    • Ian Cobb says:

      If we could only find the KEY to our PP problems, we could climb into a play off spot very quickly.
      But not much time left to get that KEY.

      • naweed235 says:

        the key is very simple and is the same key that was missing all the previous yrs before it was found… Sourray, Streit, Schnieder, MAB and Wiznewski … We need that big bomb from the blue line …

  48. j2w4habs25 says:


    lets hope this win takes us to a whole new different season – Carey Price actually was on his game while the rest of the team kept a lead!. GO HABS GO!

    Carey Price #31

  49. price365 says:

    Kostitsyn has had 20+ goals for the pass 3 out of 4 years if the habs want to part with a player like that unless there’s something real good coming our way IMO they’re crazy.

  50. deuce6 says:

    Hmmmm..Just looking at the box score of the Flames/Oilers tilt last night and the Flames won 6-2, but Cammy had no points and was a -2…lol


    Yes, I’m a Hab fan..Wanna fight about it?

    • frozengolf says:

      I just saw that too!! Says it all, I think!

      “We know that hockey is where we live, where we can best meet and overcome pain and wrong and death. Life is just a place where we spend time between games.”

      —Fred “The Fog” Shero

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      When Bourque scored that goal in front of the net last night I was thinking Cammallerri could never score from that area and would have just been boxed out.

    • DearyLeary says:

      I really don’t want to crap on Cammy. He provided some great moments for the Habs over the last couple of years. I was kind of hoping he’d find his touch in Calgary again.

      I just don’t know if he’s fully recovered from the laceration on his leg. Granted, I’m no doctor, so I can’t tell you exactly what the injury was and how it would affect a player, but something’s just not right with Cammy this year.

      How your team scores six goals and you’re a -2 is beyond me.

  51. DearyLeary says:

    If we’re missing the playoffs, we’re taking Toronto with us!

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      That’s what i was thinking last night.

      Was the crowd in Toronto dead or what last night. I was expecting to turn on the tube and hear the fans in Toronto really get behind the Leafs for once.

      You’d have thought the Leafs were in last place by the sound of the building.

  52. The Dude says:

    Happy we beat T.O. last night “losing again to the Loafs would be too much” and I’m happy for our fans who are full sails today but …there’s much work to be done and many personal transactions “trades ” in the making! Apparently the Goat has figured it out …we need more Size and more youth! As well its time to dump some long term salaries AND UPCOMING SIGNINGS…why, well because our Habbies still will get their asses handed to them against most team in the league”sad but true” and with the Detroit game on Monday I predict there will be another Debby Downer ,but for now WE BEAT THE LAFF’S! GO…HABS …GO!

  53. novahab says:

    I wondered why not bring up Jared Tinordi and give him a few games. He brings something to our D they can’t trade for, fear. He doesn’t have to play big minutes but rookie players have made a impack on a team before.He certainly deserves and is worth a look.

    • kempie says:

      You can’t call up a player from junior until the player’s team is eliminated from the playoffs. Plus, he’s nowhere near ready for this and certainly doesn’t deserve to be parachuted into this fustercluck at his age.

      • TomNickle says:

        You’re right but I could easily see him making the Habs roster out of training camp next year without a season in Hamilton. He’s already up to 220 pounds and he hasn’t looked out of place in his limited pre-season NHL action in the last two years.

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          He looked solid enough the past pre-season. He had a good fight with Zack Smith and because he is so big you don’t have to worry about him getting hurt.

          I could see him play in Montreal next year and being told to just keep it very simple. And even being told to stay away from fighting and just to concentrate on all the little things.

          I would be a bit concerned about all the NHL heavyweights trying to go after him early in his career.

        • PEC Hab says:

          Besides the callup rules, Tinordi is not exactly lighting up the OHL. He would project to be a fourth or fifth without any offence at this point. He may yet be a great player, but he has a long, long way to go. He is still growing into himself, his skating is better, but for a while he looked pretty clumsy.

        • Chris says:

          He’s got a long way to go before he makes the NHL. If Subban had to play a year in the AHL to adjust to professional hockey players’ speed and strength, Tinordi isn’t making the jump.

          Tinordi can mandhandle the kids in the OHL because he is so huge. But against professional hockey players, he’s going to have to add some muscle to his frame if he wants to play that same style of defence.

          I expect he will be on the same sort of trajectory as San Jose prospect Taylor Doherty (6’7″, 218 pounds when he was drafted). Doherty had MUCH better offensive numbers in the OHL and, from the couple of times I’ve watch both he and Tinordi, was a better skater. Like Tinordi, Doherty did very well in the physical testing before the draft (rated very high amongst defencemen in leg power and VO2), and has subsequently added some weight (now listed at 6’7″, 235 pounds).

          Doherty is learning the ropes in the AHL this season, and is struggling a bit with the adjustment. I would be surprised if Tinordi doesn’t go the same route.

        • issie74 says:

          I don’t want Tinodi brought in to fight everyone’s battles at 20 years old.


      • DearyLeary says:

        Not only that but the Knights are looking like they’re poised for a Memorial Cup run. He’ll likely be playing longer than the Habs do this year.

    • Sharks9 says:

      He’ll get a look next year, no sense in rushing him since we’re not making the playoffs. Let him play his full season in junior.

      25 before 14

  54. novahab says:

    I’ll be shocked if Moen is going anyhweres. He been one of our best players and he proved it again last night. It would have to be one hell of a deal as PG and Cunneyworth can’t afford the out cry if they tank worst after that trade.

    • TomNickle says:

      If Gauthier is even somewhat realistic about this season, Moen will be traded sooner rather than later.

      • kempie says:

        If Moen wants to stay at the same salary or for a slight raise I’d keep him. He’s a very good bottom 6 guy. But PG should find out now if that can be done, and if not, get a pick out of it. Same with AK.

        • TomNickle says:

          Kostitsyn would get a much bigger return than the media likes to let on. As far as pending free agents go, Parise, Hemsky and Semin are probably the only forwards who will command more attention. And the Oilers tend to price their own players way out of the ballpark(My way of saying that Dean Lombardi should have been fired for trading what he did for Penner). Hemsky will probably be an 11th hour deal, Parise is highly unlikely to be traded and who knows with Semin.

    • jon514 says:

      I agree with you there. You know the past 2 years I’ve thought we overpay Moen at 1.5 million per. This season I can’t help thinking we don’t pay him enough. In Moen you’ve got a guy happy to play on the 3rd line who brings it every night at a cheaper price tag. Believe it or not these “lunchpail” guys are few and far between. Why screw up something that’s actually working on this team?

      “Let’s be clear on the facts…”

  55. TomNickle says:

    A quick word on Jared Tinordi.

    I suggested a couple of days ago that he was as blue chip of a prospect as you can get. Being a bigger kid means he’ll take more time to develop muscle mass to suit his frame and find his legs.

    It appears to be happening. He’s +25 on the season having only played in 27 games due to the WJHC. He is showing excellent lateral movement and agility, his passing has come leaps and bounds and he’s still a hitting machine who simply doesn’t allow anyone near his goaltender. He was the best defenseman for the USA team at the WJHC, won a player of the game award, scored and played his best game against Canada. He was also named Captain of the Knights this season.

    People have suggested that he’ll be offensively limited. My personal feeling is that we have our own version of Zdeno Chara coming up in the system.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      He is a key player in our team development. If indeed he turns out to be what we hope, adds a great dimension to this team. Emelin and Tinordi on different pairing constantly giving other forwards 2nd thoughts of where they are going in our zone.

      • TomNickle says:

        I’m just having a solo laugh at the people who believe he has a 50/50 shot of making the NHL and that if he does will only contribute physical play. They have blinders on.

        • Chris says:

          Let’s see how he does against professionals. He’s about to turn 20 years old, playing in a league full of 15- to 19-year olds.

          Tinordi is good, but he’s got a long learning curve ahead of him.

      • jmsheehy19 says:

        He and Beaulieu are the reasons I think we need to flip some of Bennet, Pateryn, Dietz, Elllis, and Nash for forward picks. Not all but at least 2 or 3. Or who knows, maybe one of Beaulieu or Tinordi can be used in a package to get us a star forward. It’s a good problem to have.

        Gorges – Subban
        Emelin – Diaz
        Tinordi – Beaulieu

        Stacked blue line.

    • Storm Man says:

      Have him train with GSP in the off season and he could be our version of Chara. I like the way he has developed this year.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      I’m praying Tinordi comes in and over time becomes our new Sheriff. From what I heard, putting up Chara’s type of numbers is a bit of a stretch.

      I’m hoping for A Darrien Hatcher or a player like his father Mark Tinordi. Mean and dirty and rock in front of Price.

      I’ve got tickets for when the Knights play the 67s here in Ottawa in a couple weeks.

      • TomNickle says:

        He’s going to bring offense that Hatcher and his old man never had and he’ll bring the nasty part of the game too. He’ll be a complete player.

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          I like what you’re saying Tom and I hope you’re right about his offensive upside. But yeah, I’m pretty sure we don’t have to worry about him making the club.

          • powdered toastmann says:

            Agree with everything you guys are saying. I think if managed properly he will be a force. Important thing is not to rush him, or put him in a position to fail. He’s still a young kid and as such needs to maintain a good confidence level. Kids at that age are all different but I think they can all suffer setbacks big time that are related to lack of confidence as a result of either being “in over their heads” or being unfortunate at a key time.

  56. novahab says:

    Cry,Cry and Cry me a river unf^%&ing believable. CBC,TSN , Damin Cox and Sport net. Cried about Moan supposely pushing a player into the Monster. Where, watch the replay where ,and the Kid could”t stop a shot on on his short side, where Eller had no other place to go. Wow Kadri was hooked and no penalty. For all the na sayers on here and bitching at me over my out burst about the refs this is why.This kid was diving all night , he dove on Gill. So where is MR. hockey mouth about this, not a word. Cherry has demonise Suban to the point he’s being booed by the play by play crew at the CBC and the rest of the Canadian (Toronto media). This includes our own Montreal Gazette but then again thats just the Toronto Gazette. The refs were going to Wilson last night and apologizing for making calls or no calls. Once again Gary the crook Bettman the NHL looks like joke lead by the Leafs.

  57. Sharks9 says:

    Sickening listening to Leafs fans whine about Gustavsson supposedly being interfered with on Eller’s goal last night. He had more than enough time to recover and get himself back in position.

    Also, it’s great to see how much Eller is improving.

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  58. TomNickle says:

    Travis Moen heading to Los Angeles today.

    Just a prediction. Gauthier took in two Kings games this week and I can’t see them wanting Kostitsyn, Campoli or Gill.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      If indeed Moen were to be traded (LA or anywhere for that matter) do you think he has enjoyed his time in Montreal enough that he would consider resigning here, and I don’t mean only if Habs highest bidder. I just wonder if he hasn’t truly enjoyed playing on Canadian team. I hate to overuse that phrase of a good Canadian Prairie kid, but he strikes me as a genuine guy and if we were to trade him, I would hope he would consider resigning in the off season. A great 3rd/4th line player on a contending team.

      • TomNickle says:

        He made it clear that he signed here because he thought this team was about to be a Cup contender. So I doubt he would re-sign here but I don’t know him so I can’t say. With Ryan White ready to fill his role as soon as he’s healthy and it being a fairly easy role to fill via the draft or free agency, I don’t see why they would want to sign him again.

    • Storm Man says:

      I understand Your Packers are out of the playoffs 😉 But this is magic 8ball thinking. Goat took in a lot of games the past few weeks.

      • TomNickle says:

        He’s been to two straight Kings games. That’s pretty rare for him. He’ll usually have Larry Carriere or Doug Gibson at these kinds of games. Understandably can’t have Carriere attend now but it still stinks.

        PS: Be nice, at least my team made it and will continue to make it for years to come.

  59. OK I just finished watching the game and I have to tell ya. I love Alexia Yummyman. Prediction, a 20 year Canadien. OK a 6 year Canadien then.

    Glen Healy mocking the Canadiens’ 2004 entry draft while the Habs were playing the Maple Leafs was FREAKIN EPIC!

    I know some schmuck from the the back room is writing this stuff for them, but the guy in that room obviously is not a fan of “Heals”. Why else would he send him that hockey factoid. When the Leafs have been trying to Tank for years and it has gotten them NO WHERE. These guys are so bad they can’t even lose properly.


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    • HabinBurlington says:

      The Leafs have made some good and some bad moves through their struggles these past 6 years. Interesting enough, 2 years ago the whole city and Mgmt were talking of Luke Schenn being the cornerstone for the franchise, similar to how we talk of Gorges being a consumate leader for our team. Now Schenn has been healthy scratch and is trade bait for Burke as he looks to add to that team.

      They have a couple good looking young dmen, like him or not Kessel is a finisher (not worth the trade, but still a premiere player) and if indeed Lupul’s health problems are behind him, he will be a good player for them.

      Interesting to see if this team keeps developing. Their goaltending is still not Grade A and the forwards don’t play the truculent style Burke promised.

      Grabovski is UFA this summer I believe, wonder if he will go to highest bidder or try and stay in Toronto.

      • I don’t know Grabovski personally, but that crap he pulled in California told me that he was a spoiled (deleted) punk with very poor advise from his agent. I hope he stays right where he is, he’s a great representative of a Toronto Maple Leaf.

        Did you go to that out door game yesterday?

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        • HabinBurlington says:

          No I have attended quite a few other NHL and other events, decided to pass on the price they were asking.

        • otter649 says:

          Grabovski also got into some sort of trouble at The Vancouver Olympics as well….

        • Jim Edson says:

          Grabovski went MIA in Phoenix I believe.

          What does the Commissioner of the NHL do?

          In short, a league commissioner is the action man for the Board of Governors.

          They tell him what they want done and he works to make it happen through his subordinates while making sure that individual franchises play by the rules.

          ******** Translated if you haven’t won the Stanley Cup in 40 years your NHL team is becoming irrelevant in a sports mad city long behind MLB, NFL and NBA teams, you just tell the commissioner(who you gave a new contract at 7 plus million per) to make it happen and the rules are bent sufficiently to action the command.

      • issie74 says:

        That is what Pierre McGuire told them the day of the draft on TSN,he was so excited , he was screaming. Get ready Toronto you are getting something to cheer about for a long time to come.

        And he wants to be General Manger of the Habs.

        No Thanks.


  60. habs001 says:

    maxpac,dd,cole…..gion,plecks,borque…..ak46,eller,moen…..blunden,gomez,white…..if everyone was healthy our 12 starting forwards would probably be these 12 ..line combinations can be changed… we decide to comeback with the same lineup next year?…it may come down to the clubs decision with gomez…if we get rid of gomez than we can resign ak46 and moen(moving him to the 4th line) and we can add another quality forward into the top 9…if they decide to keep gomez than we can only add another quality forward by getting rid of someone from the top 9…

  61. Ian Cobb says:

    Its not only the Hab’s that are falling apart in Quebec!
    Do you really think that this province has it’s priorities in order.?

  62. verticalj says:

    Is it me or did the players look huge in the 60s! And the barely had any equipment on…

  63. JF says:

    Not a great or even a particularly exciting game, but there was a lot to like:

    Price was solid, except on Lombardi’s breakaway where he seemed not to follow the player at all. But I liked the way he shut the door in the third period, especially in the last couple of minutes.

    The defence was better than usual, except for Gorges being caught out of position on the Leafs’ goal. Subban was quietly effective, Gill was great on the penalty kill. and I don’t understand why people want Diaz gone. He doesn’t play a physical game, but if you watch him closely, you can see that he does a lot of little things right and makes very smart decisions with the puck. A team needs big, physical defencemen who can deliver hits and clear the front of the net, but it also needs quick, smart, puck-moving defencemen. Diaz is developing into a very good one.

    But what most to like was the third period. Most games, if we go into the third period tied or even up a goal, I know we’re going to lose (hell, even up two goals…) But this time, we didn’t simply hang on once we got the lead; we continued to attack, at the same time limiting the Leafs’ chances. If we had managed to do this in even half the games we ended up losing in overtime, we’d be in a playoff spot. Almost certainly too late for the playoffs, but it would be good for morale and for next year if we can become a strong third-period team instead of one of the weakest.

    • 123456 says:

      leafs goal was subbans error not georges. a dman can enter the rush on a scoring play… the later dman HAS TO STAY BACK…. subban did not stay back

      • JF says:

        Gorges jumped up too quickly to support the attack.

        • Adidess says:

          Agreed JF. The puck wasn’t quite on Gorges side when he tried to pitch in. He anticipated sth that didn’t happen or had a brain cramp there, I think. He is a warrior and rarely makes such blunders, so easy to cut him some slack.

          But when judging the play, think about the fact that the forwards or his defensive partner could not reasonably expect him to be so completely out of position in that situation in order to cover for him.

      • Sharks9 says:

        He did but Lombardi was on Gorges’ side of the ice, not Subban’s fault.

        25 before 14

        • olematelot says:

          When a dman joins the rush a fwd is supposed to cover for him

          • HabinBurlington says:

            The whole play was a bit of weird one, how often when a forward throws the puck out front misses everyone and right to the high forward. Both dmen pinched, the problem was the timing, we just went up 1-0 and only a minute or so left in period. We didnt need to be pressing at that time.

            Lombardi does have some jets, he just took off and had tremendous speed coming in on Price. Wish more of our guys could have that kind of finish on breakaways or penalty shots.

  64. otter649 says:

    Watching last nights game on HNIC with Healey going about Habs drafting in 2004 so I checked The Leafs 2004 draft. Leafs did not have a first or second round draft pick traded away so their only 2 picks of 2004 were Justin Pogge (3) kept by TO instead of Rask & Robbie Earl (6) now playing in Europe……

    • 123456 says:

      and didnt he say only 3 of the habs picks made it to the NHL (grabs being one of them). i’m not a draft history buff but if you pick 3 guys each year that make it to the NHL thats good drafting.

      • otter649 says:

        Checked Montreal’s 2004 draft & they had 6 picks who have played in The NHL – Kyle Chipchura, Alexei Yemelin, James Wyman, Mikhail Grabovski, Gregory Stewart, Mark Streit. A bit better than Healey & his crack research team came up with……

  65. montreal ace says:

    There will be trades coming in the next little while, and one thing I hate in the NHL, are players with contracts that have restrictions for trades to teams that help pay their salaries, like our Montreal Canadiens. I have now heard of players who dont want to play in Canada, and have the right to refuse a trade. I feel teams that share in NHL revenue and put clauses like this in players contracts, should have these salaries deducted from any money they receive.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Or take Spacek who is so happy he left the “circus” in Montreal.

      He doesn’t understand that without the circus in Montreal (and other cities with fans), there wouldn’t be a team in Carolina and he wouldn’t have earned $10M in the last three years.

      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

      • JUST ME says:

        Agree but there is circus and there is circus. Montreal`s has gone overboard a while ago and has to deal with unnecessary situations created by by blood sucking reporters and fans. A circus should be fun,impressive,sometimes scary but never pathetic…

        • Jim Edson says:

          Just three rings and a dancing bear!

          What does the Commissioner of the NHL do?

          In short, a league commissioner is the action man for the Board of Governors.

          They tell him what they want done and he works to make it happen through his subordinates while making sure that individual franchises play by the rules.

          ******** Translated if you haven’t won the Stanley Cup in 40 years your NHL team is becoming irrelevant in a sports mad city long behind MLB, NFL and NBA teams, you just tell the commissioner(who you gave a new contract at 7 plus million per) to make it happen and the rules are bent sufficiently to action the command.

  66. Hobie Hansen says:

    One thing people have to understand is this team is not going to rebuild like the Oilers, Blackhawks or Penguins did.

    We just picked up Bourque who is on a long deal, Cole has a long deal and the list goes on and on. Price and Subban, in all likelihood, will be signed to long deals as well.

    There are two factors that have us in the spot we’re in at the moment. Nine shootout losses is the real kick in the pants. If we’d have won four of those we’d be in the playoff picture. That is just bad luck!

    And the real thing that is holding us back is Gomez and Markov. Those two guys are supposed to be our two best players. If you take away the two best players from the Rangers, Flyers or Bruins they’d be in the same boat.

    Next year, with the exact same roster and with a full 82-game schedule in front of them this team could make it into the playoffs.

    But if the Canadiens managed to get $13 million worth of production from the money they have allocated to Gomez and Markov, and a couple other minor tweaks, they’d have a chance of becoming an elite team.

    • HamiltonHabs says:

      Yeah it’s all Gomez and Markov’s fault they have lost 9 games in the shoot out?

      • 123456 says:

        i think there is an implication that on most every other team they are spending $13M on players that perform. in the very least a few games the habs get 2 points w/o going to the SO and then once in the SO the habs win half.

      • verticalj says:

        Well, one of those two might have been a good factor in one of those shootout loses 🙂

    • boonie says:

      You’re right, it looks like PG’s core includes bourque, Cole, patches, gorges and a few others. Assuming he’s around, he’ll probably add pieces around this group. If he’s fired, then who knows.

      But, I think we have to accept that we’re not good. If shootouts are a 50/50 proposition (they’re not, but let’s go with that), then our dismal record exceeds statistical likelihood. For years, a poster (mathman, I believe) railed that our shooting percentage was oddly low. Through 46 games, we scored 8 more goals on 130-ish fewer shots than last year and we are mired in forgettable season.

      You’re also right that not getting production from our highest paid guys is tough to overcome, but I’ll defer to HH on that. He debated yesterday that we either need 3-4 more guys who can score 20 playing defensively responsible, third line minutes or a true number one center and norris quality defenseman. I think he’s right.

      We don’t lots to improve we need things that are very difficult to come by.

    • habitual says:

      Yes, shoot outs are one reason.

      The second reason is no power play. It was good the past couple of years. During that period Markov wasn’t playing; Gomez did play, was and is a non-factor.

      It’s a special teams league now. So, for whatever reasons the PP sucks this year, that is why we are not going to make the playoffs.

  67. boonie says:

    Courtesy of Eric Duhatschek…

    “the Buffalo Sabres, the latest team to discover that bumping the payroll doesn’t necessarily translate into on-ice success.  So what happens? After a semi-promising start, the bottom completely falls out and now, after 11 consecutive road losses, the Sabres look like the most dispirited, disorganized team in the NHL, searching for answers and seemingly unable to come up with any.”

    Can you buy an NHL team in one off season or do successful teams buy pieces as they become available?

  68. HabinBurlington says:

    I read in the morning paper today that the New Jersey Devils will be or have already asked the league to help them with financing/payroll for the 2nd half of this season. This is a team that regardless of their cap situation really can’t afford to sign Parise to a large contract next year. Ahhh one can dream.

  69. JUST ME says:

    It is real fans day at the Bell Center.

    They don`t ask for trades,the don`t discuss $$$,they don`t miss the Lafleur era,they don`t fear losing,they don`t panic, they are not negative on day one of the season, they don`t care about stupid comments of so called experts of the medias ,they just cheer.

    And you know what ? They will have a nice day !

  70. CanadienBoy says:

    Love Eller last night the kids got that long smooth skating stride that over take other at full speed twice last night allot like Sundin,last year he did have a strong second half and look like he will again

  71. Mattyleg says:

    Mornin’ all, great win last night in a prettttty boring game.

    Two points, tho, eh? Pretty sweet. Nice to go to bed on a Saturday night with the glow of victory for once…

    In other news, I just made myself angry by reading Mike “I’m an Incurable Imbecile” Milbury’s comments on the Ference hit on the Rangers’ Mcdonagh.

    Unsurprisingly, “Mad” Mike sees nothing wrong with the hit, and says, enlighteningly, that in “his” day, there woudln’t even have been a penalty for that play. Well, I guess it just means that career-ending hits from behind came a little too late to the game of hockey to have saved us from “insights” from a clown like you, Milbury.

    Here’s the comment I wrote on the article:

    “I honestly don’t know why the CBC continues to not only employ Mike Milbury, but to quote him in an article like this.

    First of all, I was under the (perhaps mistaken) impression that the CBC was interested in the safety of the countless thousands of children who play hockey in this country. Using a quote like this which exonerates a player who received a 5-minute charging major and a game misconduct for a clearly dangerous play is an unwise and irresponsible act by the CBC.

    Milbury, a former Bruin, obviously thinks that his pro-Boston bias excuses him from defending ‘his’ team on Hockey Night In Canada for any acts, including dangerous and illegal plays. This shows not only an immaturity from a player once known as “Mad Mike”, but of a total lack of discretion on the part of the CBC.

    I would hope that “Canada’s National Broadcaster” would take a long, hard look at the performance of Mike Milbury as a hockey analyst and look elsewhere for intellgent insights into our national sport.”

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Psycho29 says:

      Great comment….
      I really don’t know why they have Milbury on that Hot Stove segment, he always looks like he would rather be someplace else.
      Like maybe doing Cherry’s laundry…

      • Ian Cobb says:

        Psycho- Thanks for the help on Ty’s first name! Also Matty, I have never listened to this jerk Milbury. He does not even know how many concussions he got himself. To much damage!

    • ed lopaz says:

      Good work Matty.

      The CBC has very little credibility in my eyes.

      You are absolutely right regarding Milbury.

      It takes people like you to keep the pressure on.

      unfortunately, the Bruins winning the Cup last year has set back

      any hopes of bringing sanity back to the CBC telecasts.

      However, I will give you some good news about the incident.

      I was watching the game on MSG (Rangers broadcast) when the hit happened.

      The MSG color commentator went absolutely wild – “those are hits we have to eliminate”, “that was the cheapest of cheap hit”, “someone is going to get killed one day”.

      So maybe Boston (and the CBC) are falling behind the trend??

      It seems that NY, which I thought was a similar hockey market to Boston, is evolving.

      Some good news.

      • The Cat says:

        Well people are put on tv to get reactions. More people say: ‘let’s see what those idiots Milbury or Cherry will have to say’, as opposed to ‘let’s tune in to see what Kelly Hrudey has to say.’

        [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        New York City is not Boston.

        In New York the cabby taking you to the opera knows who the soprano is tonight, and has an opinion on her singing.

        Boston has a pure binomial distribution: Harvard and MIT profs on the one hand, knuckle dragging neanderthals on the other. The profs are baseball fans.

        Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      The point Milbury misses is that back in his day, players didn’t try to end other players careers with the speed, size and reckless abandon with which today’s game is played. I watch as many of the ESPN/TSN Classic games as possible from the 70’s. Indeed there are more line brawls, but the hitting in that game (in my opinion) is ridiculously less viscious than today. The speed was much less, the equipment was much different, and the players primarily saved the big hits for the player who already had the puck on his stick. They weren’t crushing players not yet to play the puck. Believe it or not, they actually bodychecked with a purpose to seperate puck from player. Today it seems the game is more seperate the players head from body, Milbury end of day is just another angry ExBruin who played on an underachieving team whose glory was snuffed out on a regular basis by our beloved Habs. Those memories can never be taken from me, hehe, keep your shoe handy Mike it was your greatest highlight ever.

    • The Cat says:

      I just looked at it on youtube. McDonagh let himself be hit, or went into it thinking the ref will protect me, players got to stop thinking like that. No one can tell me Ference took him by surprise. In the old days, McDonagh would have put on the brakes and slowed down and put himself between Ference and the puck. Marc Messier said it best: players today dont know how to protect themselves anymore…So, either they allow obstruction once again or disallow body checking entirely.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        That sounds an awful lot like something I heard from a guy wearing a puffy shirt yesterday. 🙂

      • ed lopaz says:

        Cat – do you drive a car?

        if you do, you will know that no matter what the circumstance,

        if you get hit from behind,

        its the other driver’s fault for hitting you.

        why is that?

        because ferrence needs to slow down and rub Mcdonough out in that play.

        once he sees the numbers on the back, ferrence MUST SLOW DOWN.

        it is not on me to watch in my rear view mirror, see that you are

        accelerating your car right behind me, so I have to “adjust” my car accordingly.

        it is on YOU – ferrence – to adjust your speed, hit your brakes, and

        not make contact (or in hockey terms, make limited and safer contact)

        • The Cat says:

          I get your car analogy Ed, but if me and the other car are in a race, then the dynamics change a little. As the driver in front Im doing ALL I can to block him. McDonagh didnt do all he could IMO.

          [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

          • ed lopaz says:

            mcdonagh had clearly made it to the puck and ferrence still had enough time to control himself, and control his hit.

            in my view, there was no “race” here.

            in my view, it was a hit from behind that was dangerous.

            thankfully, the refs agreed with me.

            now it is up to the NHL to suspend.

            I will be happy to give Ferrence the “finger” he gave us last year, on his way out the door.

            this is one hockey player who does not deserve the benefit of the doubt from a smart guy like you, Cat.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Phonehearing scheduled therefore less than 5 games.

          • The Cat says:

            Dont get me wrong, I dont want to see stuff like that. And I dont think I said I agreed with the hit. When I played, they told us to never go for a puck in that fashion, not with somebody barrelling down on you. I looked at the video again, and McDonagh made the puck priority number 1, and for that hit not to happen he has to make Ference priority number 1 for his own sake. Players cant rely on mutual respect anymore. Im not saying theyre all evil, it all happens so fast. I think both Ference and McDonagh made poor decisions there. Ultimately to cure all that; either interference comes back or ban hitting altogether.

            [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

    • ProHabs says:

      Plus he beats up kids as well.

    • HardHabits says:

      I was livid when MM was twisting and turning trying his best to put a spin on that hit. The CBC has degenerated since Harper has been in office. Low standards and loose morals. Typical conservative hypocrisy.

  72. Jorj says:

    Pretty sad the only mention of the Canadiens on the Sun Pole is how nice their jersey looks.

    Sad, sad days..

  73. boonie says:

    Farber provides some good discussion fodder. Count me as someone who prefers a cap and a relatively level playing field (NFL) to dominance by big market teams (MLB, Yankees). Granted, our market could be Yankee-esque. But I’ll stand by my preference.

    On the lack of star power, we could further emulate the NFL who constantly changes rules to favor the offense. It’s tough to ice first ballet hall of famers when we play games that end 3-2 after OT and a SO.

    One little thing might be reverting to making teams play shorthanded for a full two minutes as things were before WE abused the system. And, since the days of Air Coryell the NFL has become obsessed with the vertical game. It stretches defenses and minimizes stifling in the box boredom. Anything we change to open up the long bomb may help our sport too..

  74. Habs-royalty says:

    im from europe , so please excuse my language.

    With careys next contract numbers floating around and decisions ahead about the players to keep and whom to trade i came to think about this:

    Most posts about this topic agree somewhat , that the young players should be kept and most old ones should/can be traded excluding Cole. I am not sure:

    – from an armchair gm perspective going back 3 years from now, would not been this and last year our window to achieve something special ?

    – we had a young core of Price , PK , Pac, PK, Eller, DD, Emelin, Diaz on very cheap contracts at the same time. Add Gorges as a overachieving player (compared to his salary) at least the first 2/3 years of the BG rebuild

    – im pretty sure BG and PG know what was coming up and tried to surround them with veterans with the aim to win the cup now . Cornerstones were Gomez,Gionta,Gill (won cups before), Cammaleri and Markov already in there. And i would add Moen , Hamrlik (first 2 years)…. and also the Spacek signing point in that direction.
    … plus Cole this year.

    -now we know they failed , main reasons for me are:
    1. BG and PG misread the current game in the NHL, dint found the right mixture of veteran forwards
    2. Markov almost injured during the whole projected window
    3. underachieving veterans particular Gomez
    4. maybe Carey Price not yet there ,(what one would have dreamed in a perfect world.)

    – if there was something like a window for us , it is probably gone next season. ( huge raise for Carey, PK ‘s extension , Gorges new higher contract , Eller and Emelin up for small raises , and Max Pac’s new contract the year after.)

    – going forward , im sure we will manage the cap some how , but it would be not be the same chance as the last 2 years.

    – While our young guys were a more than good enough supporting cast for a contender im not so sure if they will be a Top 6 F ad Top 4 D group of core players (on a contender!). I only see PK and maybe Maxpac. (The later strictly as a power forward, i think Pac is lacking some raw puckhandling and passing skills to be a top goto guy , i.m.o completly miss-used atm at he half boards in the pp)
    All other young players in the current lineup pretty much play already their projected roles, only with more money commited the next years. Maybe Eller can be a Top 6 forward and Emelin Top 4 here or somewhere, but will this be a contender team ?

    – we have Cole as a very good Top 6 for the next 2 years to help the transition.
    – Bourque would be a 3.line guy for a contender in my book.

    i think :
    – to have a new window in the next years by building from within ,we would need one of Beaulieu and Tinordi to be a Top 2 caliber very soon, Callagher become a goto forward and this years first round draft pick have at least a Tyler Seguin like impact somewhen in the next 3 years. While there is a very slight chance that it could turn out this way with our first round draft pick (if we loose some more games) , i think all these are unfair expectations for the youngsters. As in the last window i talked about, they youth should be the supporting cast

    (add no draft picks for Kovalev, Koivu,Komisarek,Ryder and Streit complain here)

    – To be able to compete in the next 4 years we would need more, particular a Topline Center (if not this years draft pick), and a Top 2 Defenceman. Looking at the upcoming UFA there isnt all that much. So are we in the market for players like Shea Weber, Ryan Getzlaf or Parise , if they are avaiable at all ? And do we have enough to offer compared to other teams ?

    And if managements decide for a long term build trough the draft strategy , i fear it will have to be a very long time and we would need more draft picks. That means not only veterans , also players like AK46, Eller , DD, Emelin, Gallager, Leblanc have to be trade baits. We cant keep them, if we dont think the are Top 6 /top2 on a contending habs teams.

    On the other hand : if we arent a contender in the next 5 years, does it make sense to pay a goalie 6-7 millions ?

    Hmm, dont know where to go with the post now and also dont want to sound too negativ.
    What are your conclusions ?

    Maybe Carey , PK and PAC should be avaiable too ?

    I am not convinced that we should do it, but i think the protected group of players is way smaller then we think. Even Cole and Gorges should be avaiable depending for the strategy our GM sees for the next 3 years..

    • CanadienBoy says:

      SO you saying trade the hole teams

      • Habs-royalty says:

        no, maybe eather sell big time now (including listen to offers also for cole , Price and PK and the consensus ones ) or start buying big time at the end of the season and pay with gorges, eller , dd , leblanc , gallagher …

        • CanadienBoy says:

          Sorry but u built around u young gun, not by selling them, and what try to find better ones because they not there and if they are they not available

          • Habs-royalty says:

            fair enough , still the build around blocks in this aproach imo only would be C.P. and P.K …. So Cole,Gorges, Eller, DD are avaibale for a rebuild trade 🙂

    • boonie says:

      Any consistently top netminder is going to cost big bucks. At this point, should we sign Price to a shorter contract until we understand the ramifications of the new CBA?

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Be it PG or our next GM have alot of thinking to do on how to proceed with rebuilding this team. I am rather optimistic and feel we have an excellent supporting cast and some pieces for the top lines. But we surely do lack that Toews/Malkin/Datsyuk/Chara type player that Cup winning teams have.

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