An honor and anniversary for Scotty

Bowman

We’re a little late getting to this one, but it’s never inappropriate to discuss Scotty Bowman, the game’s greatest coach — and along with his mentor, Toe Blake, the Habs greatest coach.

Tuesday marked the 44th anniversary of the start of Scotty’s NHL coaching career as he took over for Lynn Patrick behind the Blues’ bench for a 3-1 loss to the Canadiens, the team where he apprenticed for an NHL job and the team he would eventually guide to five Stanley Cups in eight years. He won another in Pittsburgh plus three more in Detroit and holds every NHL coaching record there is.

Before his run of championships, the Montreal native took the Blues to the Cup final in their first three seasons, making them the top team of the NHL’s 1967 six-team expansion. They didn’t win a game in those three finals, twice losing to the Habs, but that hasn’t diminished Bowman’s popularity in the town where he got his start and met his wife, Suella.

Along with former Blues forward Garry Unger, Bowman was inducted into the St. Louis Sports Hall of Fame last week. Here’s a great story by Dan O’Neill from the St. Louis Post-Dispatch on Scotty’s early days with the Blues .

O’Neill also had this interesting tidbit from Scotty in another story this week on the Blues’ home ice advantage when he coached them.

“The ice surface wasn’t 200 feet by 85 feet, or the standard size,” Bowman recalled. “It was about 82 or 83 feet wide. Nobody knew that, I didn’t even know it. But when they put in an extra row of seats or whatever during the renovation, they took two or three feet away.

“But we started to be very tough to beat at home because of the enthusiasm of the crowd and we had tremendous goaltending.”

In an interview with Scotty over KMOX radio (audio) in St. Louis, host Kevin Wheeler wanted to know if Bowman had any advice for young coaches on handling players. Bowman said, “There’s a personal side of coaching and player relationships, and there’s a professional side. You have some tough decisions to make, but when you make a tough decision, it’s professional, it’s not personal…It’s basically to separate the personal side and the professional side and that’s the most difficult task anyone would have because you can get very friendly with your players or you can also keep them at arm’s length, but professionally, you have to really be on the same page.”

While he acknowledged that different coaches have different styles, Scotty was, legendarily, one who kept his players at arm’s length, maybe even more than one arm’s length. Those who know him away from the rink can attest he’s as good a friend and family man as there is, but on the job he wasn’t friends with his players.

It worked pretty well for him, especially in Montreal.

189 Comments

  1. Psycho29 says:

    You know that you’re a Habs fan when you get to work at 6AM so you can leave early to watch the game……
    Zzzzz

  2. badbalance says:

    That stick that was laying on the ice last game for the longest time was more useful than gomez

  3. samTHEman says:

    Yes the answer to Gomez’s 3 year drought all along was his stick! 8 million dollar solution. Commission?
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  4. samTHEman says:

    If, when Markov is back, Martin continues to use Pleky at the point on the 2nd PP wave, what will you do? I say we riot practice in Brossard till he gets the message.

    • HabsfanoftheHabs says:

      Not even JM is going to make that move when Markov’s back. They will share plenty of time on PP1

      • samTHEman says:

        So….Cole-Plekanec-Cammalleri-Markov-Subban ?
        And Gionta-DD-Pacioretty-Weber-Diaz

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        • Timo says:

          Umm… helloooo… Aren’t you forgetting someone?

          • samTHEman says:

            Meh. Kostitsyn! Gomer is injured lol. He needs to use a longer stick. With that short stick he has a pathetic weak shot, and he’s always bent forward making him easier to push him off the puck. If he used a longer stick, his back would be straighter, knees bent to a lesser extent and will result in a stronger center of gravity on his skates.

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          • HabsfanoftheHabs says:

            His sticks the problem?! Haven’t heard that one yet. Get the man a new stick…

          • Handfield8 says:

            The stick definitely isn’t the problem. Besides, long sticks make it tougher to stick handle tight, since the puck is further away from you, which is the reason why forwards usually have shorter sticks than defencemen, since defencemen need to use the stick length to cut off shooting angles and poke check. His equipment is far from the problem, it’s just an issue of having a consistent effort level, I would say.

        • HabsfanoftheHabs says:

          Gomez will find a way in there. I cannot explain it.

          • DorvalTony says:

            JM can. (Mumbling)
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    • j2w4habs25 says:

      riot practice in brossard!!!

      Carey Price #31

      • Clay says:

        I hope it happens – I already put on my riot shoes.

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  5. JohnBellyful says:

    Jacques, power play, listen up. Yeah, okay, use the notebook. Do I need to talk slowly? No, you can keep up? Sorry, I forgot, your shorthanded is excellent.
    Okay, here’s the deal. Man advantage, we’re in their zone, puck at the point. He passes it to the guy along the wall. That guy then takes a couple of strides off the wall and lets fly a slap shot. Not at the net, but along the ice to a teammate set up in the middle 20 or so feet in front of the net, and he deflects the puck toward the net.
    Who knows where it will go but that includes the goalie. As long as the deflection is on the net. Might find a hole, might serve up a rebound.
    A guy in the slot doesn’t have time to pull the trigger but a deflection is as good as a shot. Trust me, it works. Beat my kid brother hundreds of times in table hockey with that slick maneuver. Pretty sure I’ve seen it in pro hockey a few times as well.
    Yeah, that’s it. Questions?
    No, I have no idea what you can do with Gomez.

  6. twilighthours says:

    shots cannot always be used as a predictor of success. Andrew B said it himself: the 4th most pp shots yields the 22nd best powerplay. If those are the data, then It’s crystal clear: for the Montreal Canadiens, high shot totals are not predictors of high goal totals.

    • That’s a small sample size. And also skewed by a terrible stretch to start the year. I also said the PP is sitting at 20% since Pearn was fired, which is top 10 in the NHL.

      You’re confusing predicting future success with instant results. The PP will have highs and lows all season like every other team’s PP, but will end up in the top 10 because they have a better system than most teams.

      You’re also using one team, just 22 games in, that is currently an outlier, to ignore mountains of evidence collected over the last decade.

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    • HabsfanoftheHabs says:

      And high shot totals are not the reason for low goal totals. High or low-what matters is where and how the shot is taken.

      I always thought a few of Halak’s games vs the Caps were a bit over rated. He was great, but it seemed all of the Caps shots were taken 3 feet from the boards.

  7. Sami says:

    Scotty with hair!

  8. myron.selby says:

    @HardHabits: Your logic is pretty funny. In an earlier post you say that Markov isn’t the key to the power play, then list off a string of guys that you think made it go: Souray, Streit, Schneider, MAB, Wisneiwski.

    There are tons of guys with a powerful shot from the point – right now PK, Weber and Diaz can get that job done (and possibly Emelin). Very few people can set up a power play the way Markov can. The reason the Habs had the best power play (or close to it) for 3 years was Markov.

    Whichever partner they put on the right side with him will suddenly start getting a whole bunch of PP goals, wait and see.

    • HardHabits says:

      Markov was nowhere in the last two seasons and even when he was here it was the addition of the players I mentioned that turned the tables in favour of the Habs.

      Even Boone acknowledges this.

      • myron.selby says:

        Maybe someone knows where to find the stats on this, but if memory serves it was the years before Markov went out when the Habs had the #1 power play. I know he had 64 points in 78 games in 2008-09, including 7 PP goals.

        What opens things up on the power play is Markov’s ability to tear the box apart with that pinpoint cross-ice pass (Cammalleri should benefit from that.) The fact that the defenders can’t play high on the points opens it up for those hard shots from his defence partner, and he scores a fair number himself by sneaking in off the point.

        • The PP was clicking at something like 22-24% without Markov, was about 14-16% before the Wiz trade, and then up to 20% again. The big reason Wiz was effective wasn’t his shot though, it was his passing. His PP assist total was great.

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          • ProHabs says:

            The Wiz only played 43 games with the Habs last year. That is a pretty small sample size and thus would suggest your conclusion to be skewed.

          • myron.selby says:

            Wiz’ passing wasn’t all that great. I suspect that most of his assists came from deflections and rebounds. The reason I wasn’t all that eager for them to sign him this summer was that I got tired of him passing it to the opposition inside our own blue line.

          • punkster says:

            Don’t know if this will work:
            Year Goals % Rank
            2001-2 45 14.9 18
            2002-3 44 13.9 25
            2003-4 55 17.2 10

            2005-6 89 19.2 5
            2006-7 86 22.8 1
            2007-8 90 24.1 1
            2008-9 72 19.2 13
            2009-10 57 21.8 2
            2010-11 57 19.7 7
            2011-12 12 14.1 23
            (Vancouver leading this year with 25.8%)

            ***Subbang Baby!!!***

          • Disagree Myron. Last year Wiz was one of the best PP passers among d-men in the league. 2.33 first assists per 60 minutes played on the PP.

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          • myron.selby says:

            Andrew – you do realize that tips and rebounds would still give him the first assist, right?

            Just check his stats for the last 12 or 15 games when he stopped shooting. His PP points dropped like a rock. And as I said, inside his own blue line, he gave the puck away almost as often as Spacek did last year.

            There was one shift in the playoffs last year that I went back and watched 3 times. He gave the puck away 3 times in about 15-20 seconds inside the blue line – it was brutal.

          • Never said he was good in the d-zone, but his pass completion rate on the PP was pretty stellar.

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        • HardHabits says:

          Have you followed the trajectory of the Habs PP over the past few years? The ebbs and tide coincided with either Souray, Streit, Schneider, MAB or Wisniewski being in the line up.

          Markov is an excellent QB and all the things you say are true but the goals went in and the PP% improved when there was the booming shot from the blue line, with or without Markov. That is the missing piece to the puzzle.

          • myron.selby says:

            And once Markov gets back you’ll be saying that it’s Weber/PK/Diaz/fill in the blank’s booming shot that turned the power play around.

          • HardHabits says:

            I think if JM took Plekanec off the point and put any combination of Emelin, Subban, Weber and Diaz back there the goals would come now. That isn’t even considering Markov or Spacek.

            I ma not trying to denigrate Markov’s value when healthy but the past has shown that it was the player’s I mentioned that tipped the scales. Markov just added fuel to the fire but the spark was lit by one of the 5 players I listed.

          • myron.selby says:

            Why do you think management was so willing to let each of those players go but did everything they could to hang on to Markov? Why do you think it was so easy to find another shooter to fill in for the one that they just let go?

            Guys who can fire rockets from the point are easy to find. But as we’re discovering with Plekanec trying to run the PP, true quarterbacks are a rare commodity.

          • punkster says:

            One way to look at it maybe though the recurring theme on D and the recurring theme as either top or second D goal scorer on the PP is…Markov. I think Markov is the key.

            ***Subbang Baby!!!***

          • punkster says:

            And your comment regarding fuel versus spark would be reversed. Markov seems to be the consistent and repeated spark while Souray, Schneider, Streit, MAB and to a lesser degree Wiz were the cannons (or fuel).

            Bottom line for me is a mix of both views really. First, we need Markov the QB back on the PP and second, we are still searching for a cannon.

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        • Dulljerk says:

          Yes, well that was two years ago. The guy has hardly played in two years, has a disaster for a knee, seems brittle, and has a great big contract. I don’t hold out for much when Andrei Markov returns to the Montreal line-up. Something tells me it won’t last long.

          “Muckers win games”

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        With all due respect:

        1. If you think the Habs great power plays were due to Markov’s partners and not to Markov himself, then it might be time to pick another sport. Because that is Pierre Maguire level analysis (“Komisarek will blossom now that he doesn’t have to carry Markov”).

        2. “Even Boone acknowledges this” bolsters your argument?

        (Joke.)

        • HardHabits says:

          1 – McGuire said Markov would be eating glass and was almost right as Markov turned to glass.

          2 – I thought it carried a little more weight than “Even HFS72 acknowledges this.”

          • slychard says:

            HH I’m a little envious here, at 2;55 I made a post in which you basically rehashed the same subject points one and half hour later. But everyone jumped on your bandwagon and my thread was barren. I’m not screaming plagiarism here but wondering, was my post too succinct for the masses or is my avatar too intimidating, you know too sexy so men stay away thus leaving ‘em dateless? Oh those rejection slips are to be my downfall a la “running with scissors”

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          • HabsfanoftheHabs says:

            Its the avatar slychard.

            You really have to lean on the Markov side to this argument. He was the only constant for all those gun slingers… and I bet we can find one or two as needed.

            If discussing the value to the PK it should be considered that Cammy and others will also benefit from AM’s passing, zone entry and pk unit confidence.

          • HardHabits says:

            @sly: The secret to hooking people in is debate rather than allure.

  9. PrimeTime says:

    @kmachabs27. IMO Cammy has the better release but Pleks handles a pass and can scramble better to set up when points are covered. Pleks has a pretty good shot too.

  10. PrimeTime says:

    Markov is the QB on the PP. Weber is my choice for the point shot with Cole and Max if front for deflections and rebounds. Along the side wall I’d have Pleks as an outlet and for cross into or through the slot…..Markov is great at seeing the right time to move the top of the circle for a quick shot and Pleks can get it to him. That gives the PP 3 scoring options which will increase production.

    • kmachabs27 says:

      pleks as a cross ice outlet? not cammy? you been drinkin? PP when markov comes back should be based on Cammy cross ice shot and Markov quarterbacking it opening up options. Pleks definately in there though.

    • Matt. says:

      nice. sounds better than darche and gomez combining for nothing on the season

    • HardHabits says:

      The Habs have lots of options for the blue line when healthy and even a few now. Emelin, Diaz, Spacek, Subban as well as Weber and Markov make for excellent PP choices IMO. Why JM or whoever chooses to do so plays Plekanec is beyond me. He scored 1 goal from the blue line so far and the other goal he scored on the PP was because he said eff this and went into the slot.

  11. JohnBellyful says:

    MONTREAL – Reporters assaulted by Montreal Canadiens coach Jacques Martin at a press conference say they won’t press charges.
    “It was all a misunderstanding,” said one of the victims, all of whom agreed not to identify each other when filing their stories. “We were out of line, asking Jacques why he wasn’t using Eller more. You don’t ask that kind of question after a win.”
    Martin made that clear after he was asked about his deployment of Eller four times in 30 seconds following Montreal’s 4-3 shootout win over the Carolina Hurricanes.
    Video footage shows the enraged coach tossing aside the lectern and doing a hop-skip-and-a-jump over the podium, rostrum and dais before wading into the scribble of scribes. He banged two reporters’ heads together, gave another a wedgie and finished up with a noogie on a reporter he spotted underneath the table. He directed a baleful glance at the lone female reporter.
    “We just won the freakin’ game, isn’t that what you people want?!!!” Martin can be seen screaming, standing over the stubble of reporters.
    “Don’t you get it? WE WON!” he shouted, at which point he thrust his hips forward rapidly several times and stuck out his tongue, yelling: “How’s this for communication? Read my body language, you devourers of souls!”
    Martin stomped out of the room when the lone female reporter asked about the club’s record of nine wins and nine losses (two of them in extra sessions) in the last 18 games and if that pace would be good enough to get the team into the playoffs. His glance in her direction was even more baleful than before.
    In other news, the team released a clip from its audio recording of bench chatter – Martin insisted on the practice soon after his arrival, saying he needed it “for instructional purposes” – to dispel rumours Mathieu Darche had berated PK Subban for not passing him the puck.
    It turns out Marche was correcting the young star player after he offered an apology.
    “It’s Darche, DARCHE!!! NOT DOUCHE!”

    • Gerry H says:

      LMAO… bravo!

    • Danno says:

      You should see the syndicate with your material

      It’s of very good quality

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      • JohnBellyful says:

        If I send you my collected posts, do you think you could book ‘em?
        [Groan]

        • Danno says:

          Someday, and that day may never come, I’ll call upon you to do a service for me…

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          • JohnBellyful says:

            I’m not much for funerals but if it’s an eulogy you’re wanting, no prob. Just send me some details, say, a couple of juicy anecdotes, your favourite Hab memories, people who have touched your life, your fondest line combinations, regrets if you’ve had a few … stuff like that. Did you want it in rhyme? ‘Danno, my manno, he really liked flannel …’

      • HardHabits says:

        JB is obviously a literary mastermind, but you Danno are the master of the clever and ever appropriate quip. I can’t begin to count the number of times you’ve said more in a sentence than a picture could tell with a thousand words.

        Good times at HIO.

        • JohnBellyful says:

          I fully agree. Danno should re-christen himself the Quipster. There are posters whose avatars I make a point of watching out for to read what they have to say and you two are among them.
          Is there an emoticon for a group hug?

    • G-Man says:

      (Thunderous applause after uproarious laughter) Thanks, JB! :D

    • j2w4habs25 says:

      LOL

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  12. LL says:

    I think I might have to “catch a cold” or invent some emergency,
    and leave work early tomorrow. Or, I could always follow the blog:

    “Yeah, but who scored Boone?”

  13. habsfan1001 says:

    Some things I would love to ask JM:
    Why is Eller not on the powerplay considering the nice short handed goal he got last night.
    Why is Gomez even on the ice
    Why is Darche on the PP instead of Cole
    And why is Pleks on the point on the first pp line
    Just wondering

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      I’m not JM but –

      1. I don;t think we had any PPs after Eller scored the shorty did we?

      2. He’s better then Nokelainen?

      3. Cole has way more PP minutes/game than Darche.

      4. Plex is getting the hang of it.

  14. Interesting to note, the Montreal Canadiens allow a whopping 8 fewer shots against per 60 minutes while shorthanded than the next best team.

    This team is ridiculous on the PK, and it wasn’t even affected much by Hal Gill’s absence, which used to be a big concern.

    http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_team_statistics.php?ds=52&s=50&f1=2011_p&c=0+1+2+3+4+43+44+45+46+47+48+49+50+51+52#

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    • HardHabits says:

      which is awesome. would be nice if they could be as dominant on the power play. can’t wait for the Plex on the point experiment to end

      • On the powerplay they generate the 4th most shots league wide and have been hitting around 20% since Pearn was fired. However the last two games have been a joke on the PP.

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        • HardHabits says:

          I am not a believer that shots are a significant stat. Goals are.

          The bottom line is the Habs need to convert. They are doing some things right as you note in that they are getting pucks on net. My observation from watching the games (and I apologize for this) rather than poring over the stats is that I have noticed that they are not pouncing on rebounds, are rarely getting a nifty tic-tac-toe play happening and are plain and simply not scoring enough.

          The equation is simple and there is a lineage: Souray, Streit, Schneider, MAB, Wisneiwski. It is the booming shot from the blue-line. Markov was not the major factor and his return will not necessarily increase the goals for with the man advantage.

          My suggestion is play PK on the PP. Move Plekanec up where DD is. The Habs can have a lot of options on the PP and skate two excellent units or one crazy dominant one. Plekanec on the point and Markov’s return are not the answer. Number six on the list is.

          • Mattyleg says:

            Shots generally give a pretty good idea of which team is doing better.

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • HH, you need to start checking your superiority complex at the door.

            Here’s the thing, it doesn’t matter whether or not YOU think shots are a significant stat, because it’s already been proven time and again over the last decade.

            This false dichotomy between watching the games and looking at stats is stupid and adds nothing to any conversation. Where do you think stats come from? Scoring chances for example, come from watching the same game 3-4 times. Do you honestly think I don’t watch games and just look at stats? No, you just know it’s an easy out.

            You observations are nothing but confirmation bias. It’s natural because you watch more Habs games than any other team, and you actually care if they win or lose so every little play is over-analyzed. On the other hand you see highlights of other games and judge teams based on only seeing goals and not the other 57 minutes of a game.

            Plekanec should be moved off the point, but again your “equation” makes no sense. Subban has a better shot than any of those players, and Weber is getting there and is on pace for more goals than Wiz had last year. The problem has been puck distribution and winning the battles down low, combined with poor luck.

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          • Mattyleg says:

            (plus, before his first goal, PK had the most shots on goal than any other player in the NHL without having scored. But that’s not a relevant stat, is it?)

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • HabFab says:

            The biggest problem with the PP right now, is that what worked for us last season has been scouted and countered with the forwards pressuring the points. Now we have to adjust, not a professional but I would move someone into the high slot.

          • HardHabits says:

            I still contend that the booming shot or the lack thereof is the reason. The Wisneiwski non-singing is hurting big time.

          • @HabFab, if that were true the Habs wouldn’t be getting more shots to the net than 25 other teams.

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          • HabFab says:

            Andrew, yes but not scoring…

          • So they’re getting more shots than almost every other team in the league, using the same strategy as last year (your words, not mine), and that means teams have figured them out because they’re not scoring? That’s completely illogical.

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          • HabFab says:

            Andrew, mine is not an opinion but an observation. Watch how the opposition forwards pressure our points on the PP, so that Subban or Weber cannot move in towards the circle for the big one timer. The big shot from the point has been the hallmark of our successful PP for the past few years, someone on the coaching staff has to find a successful counter to this. Markov will help just with his on ice vision. BUT at the end of the day, the only truly important stat is the WIN column!
            PS; love figures and stats plus firmly believe that you cannot score without shooting at the net.
            We do have a problem in spite of that shot stat.

          • Of course teams are pressuring the points, but a lot of that has to do with weakness down low and an over-reliance on the point for puck movement by the Habs. Desharnais for example is a superb short distance passer, the best on the Habs probably, but he doesn’t have the vision or confidence to make a big play like a cross seam pass to the point to get that one-timer off.

            Plekanec is good at it but him playing the point takes that away. Cammalleri is similar to DD in that he’s not a great long distance passer, and Gomez has the confidence to do it but most of the team finds him difficult to read.

            Pacioretty is out of place playing the half wall as well imo. Perhaps he’ll get better and his time there might be worth it, but I like him beside/in front of the net.

            Kostitsyn being out/not used is also a problem, because he’s actually very good at cross seam passes. Meanwhile we have Darche who’s been given a lot of PP time and he can’t make a pass to save his life.

            I don’t think any blame can be laid at the point players, their shots are getting through.

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        • Captain aHab says:

          You boys must have missed the results of an in-depth analysis I published this afternoon: a new stat, called the Ahab, states that wins show a 1:1 correlation with the team that dominates in-game scoring. It’s revolutionary.

          • HabFab says:

            Sorry bro but I should have quoted you! You had better get a “TM”.

          • HardHabits says:

            Ground breaking. You mean that the team that dominates in scoring wins? This is news. The Ahab trumps Fenwick, Corsi and PDO if you ask me.

    • Matt. says:

      that’s good news, now if only the PP would follow suit

      • Powerplay generates the 4th most shots of any team in the NHL.

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        • Matt. says:

          good for 23rd in the league at 14.1%…

          • On completion, but that doesn’t tell you much. It also doesn’t tell you that they’ve been at around 20% since Pearn was fired, which would make them around 8th-10th in the league.

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          • HardHabits says:

            This is significant I agree AB but the record since the win streak is still 4-4-1.

            There are glaring holes in the Habs play that can not be explained away based upon numbers that look good. Don’t forget Andrew, teams might look good on paper, but it is how they perform on the ice that matters.

            I’d like to see the PP generate the 4th most goals in the NHL.

          • “teams might look good on paper, but it is how they perform on the ice that matters.”

            This is a measure of on-ice performance. I’d honestly like to know where you’re not understanding this. Maybe if you would explain what you don’t get instead of writing out condescending comments about gut feelings, I could explain things in a different way or point out something you may of missed, or something I’m missing in explaining.

            But to be honest I think you’re more interested in trying to prove me wrong, no matter the situation, than actually understanding.

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          • HardHabits says:

            Not at all AB. I am saying having the 4th most shots and the 22nd most goals is a factor. That the reason for the discrepancy cannot be determined by data mining alone. It is in observation that any solution can be discovered. Observation is the most important aspect of analysis and transcends mere statistics alone. Stats can be useful but are too easily manipulated, especially when they are obscure. The important stats are goals scored, goals allowed, wins and losses. Everything else is sophistry.

            There are reasons the Habs are not scoring. 4th in shots is meaningless. They can be 1st in chances and last in goals.

            Just because the numbers are high is no reason to assume that luck will find a way. Hockey is strategic and tactical as well as physical. The Habs are missing a major weapon on the blue line that has made a significant difference in the past.

            That is something I guess you are having a hard time grasping because it doesn’t get revealed when one is focused on deep stats.

          • Yeah, never mind then. You’re so lost in your own rhetoric that you have zero clue what you’re talking about.

            You keep saying “obscure stats” (shots are obscure???) or “easily manipulated”, yet neither of those things are true. If you can name a single way I’ve manipulated any stat I’m excited to hear about it.

            Meanwhile, of anything you can measure (more than goals scored) Fenwick % correlates to win percentage at the highest rate over the last decade, but that’s “useless” to you because it doesn’t support your biased perception.

            It’s actually worse than willful ignorance, you’re willfully wrong while deluding yourself into believing you’re right.

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          • HardHabits says:

            There you go with ad hominem again. You’re just upset because more people agree with my observations than they do with the findings of your deep shat digging.

          • HH, just an observation, why do you always go to the “more people agree with me” line?

            can we see some stats?

          • HardHabits says:

            @fbkj: the data is being compiled as we speak but we need to gather a larger sample before we can assess the results

            suffice it to say that the output is being manipulated in such a way that the conclusions will support what my gut has been telling me all along

  15. Captain aHab says:

    I’ve got great news: I just sent a note to PG saying that JM needs to be fired and Gomez sent to Hamilton. I expect we won’t have long to wait now.

  16. Ian Cobb says:

    So Gomez goes behind the bench in Hamilton??

    I have not heard what the scoop was on him after last nights game. Did I miss something?

  17. db says:

    Does anyone know how many contracts the Habs have awarded for this season? It’s not that easy to find… or maybe I’m not looking in the right place.

    I think with Gallagher and Tinordi signing this past month that there may be just one contract spot left. I can’t see PG using that on Comeau this early in the season.

    Does anyone have accurate numbers? And, where’d you get em

  18. Ian Cobb says:

    View Summit pictures here. And put your own pic’s and stories
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    I give up someone else can put up the link

  19. JoeC says:

    So how much ice time do people think Gomez would be getting if Bowman was the coach??

    None i think

  20. Matt. says:

    Blake Comeau of the NYI is on waivers… He’s having a horrible season but he scored 24 goals last season. He has a 2.5M cap hit, this being the last year of his contract…

    A link to the story:
    http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/24/happy-thanksgiving-isles-put-comeau-on-waivers/

    Should the Habs take a run at this guy? I say why not. If the Canadiens need cap room they can always waive certain unproductive centres from Alaska.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      I picked him up in a very deep pool thinking that he’s young, had 24 goals last season, is on an upstart Islanders team and that he’d be even better this year, boy was I wrong!

    • durocher says:

      He was Gorges’ teammate in Kelowna. He’s big, and can play both the PP and PK. I’d take a shot, though I’d be particularly interested if he was on re-entry waivers.

    • Neutral says:

      we don’t need a R/W like a blake comeau – we need a good center that can score 20 goals a season – except for pleks – we are weak down the center that’s one reason why we have problems scoring.

    • likehoy says:

      heck no.. but islanders are terrible.. comeau might be good for another team.
      okposo too.

      what is up with the islanders and failing to develop every player they pick?

      the only reason Tavares is succeeding is cause he has talent but I think with the Islanders, he’ll end up like another Rick Nash.

      – Gomez is holding down the “overpaid” button

  21. AH says:

    One of my favorite quotes of all time and all you need to know about Scotty Bowman comes from Steve Shutt: “for 364 days of the year we all hated Scotty, then on the 365th day we picked up our Stanley Cup bonus cheques”….I love it,… how the Habs ever let him get away is beyond me.

  22. The Dude says:

    So that’s what a real N.H.L. Stanley Cup winning Coach looks like ! I’ll take one of those; a Pollock G.M. and more francophone hockey players please ….

  23. otter649 says:

    Bowman had a promising hockey playing career but was vicously highsticked on a breakaway in junior hockey & his playing career ended – So when Bowman was coaching The Blues one of his players was ex-Hab Jean Guy Talbot the player who high sticked him…….

  24. karatekid says:

    Hard to say whose the best between Scotty and Toe…

    PuckBandits
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    • habsfan reduxit says:

      … I’d have to agree with that statement.

      “Whenever you have the puck, and don’t know what to do with it, put it in the net.” – Toe Blake

  25. Nine1one says:

    Posted This in the last thread as well

    SerenRosso “Avtsin’s agent: Montreal promised Avtsin 10 games this season #Habs”

    http://twitter.com/#!/AlexSerenRosso/status/139772476250009600

  26. slychard says:

    Why they passed him up for Irving Grudman I’ll never know. save for the Savard days that was the beginning of the descent for this once great franchise.

  27. HNS says:

    If this team is ever going to win a cup again, this guy must be brought back in some consulting capacity

  28. Mattyleg says:

    I like the fact that Bowman kept distance from his players.
    It always bugs me when I hear Ron Wilson (the best example I can think of, but I’m sure there are others) calling players by their nicknames.
    You’re their coach, not their pal.
    Good on ya, Scotty.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  29. DearyLeary says:

    The king. Listening to him talk hockey is amazing, the man has so much going on he can’t even organize a thought, every word seems to spawn three or four ideas and he tries to make it work.

  30. Hobie Hansen says:

    They are getting there HH. And yes, the Houle days are still being felt today.

    I see nothing wrong with what Gainey has done, except the Gomez fiasco.

    Gauthier has fumbled the ball on a few things as well. Especially thinking that Cole will solve all the size and toughness issues that haunted us last year and will continue to do so when the games become more intense later this season.

    With Pacioretty, Subban and Price turning out nicely and a players like Beaulieu, Gallagher and Tinordi on the way, the Habs are in pretty decent shape.

    I have a feeling we won’t be serious contenders until the Habs shuffle the deck after shedding the contracts of Gomez-Gionta-Cammalleri a few years down the road. But they still have an outside shot and can make things interesting.

  31. Adam says:

    I’ll disagree with you there.
    Read Jean Beliveau’s autobiography. He talks about Bowman as a coach, and how he’d go up into Pollock’s office every time a player had a bad game, angrily demanding that player be traded.
    Based on that, I’d say he was too emotional to be GM, at least at that stage of his career.

  32. G-Man says:

    Scotty was the greatest NHL coach of all time, bar none. As a GM, ask Sabres fans what they think.
    The Habs are nowhere near square 1. They must be at square 4 by now.

  33. sevenman says:

    Scotty was an awesome coach for sure. Greatest of all time bar none, not sure….one cup in in two years with Pittsburgh (Lemeuix & co.) , 3 cups in 9 years in Detroit ( Yzerman & co. ), 0 cups in 7 years in Buffalo with an average team…his loss in’93 with that incredible Pittsburgh team is a major disapointment. Scotty won when he coached great teams including the 5 cups in 8 years with the Habs…but no doubt he managed to get the most out of his good teams most years which is not something every coach can do

  34. HardHabits says:

    Well said and perhaps you are right. However, I think Bowman should have been given the chance and I would venture that he would have been better than Grundman. The only blight, as G-Man points out, in his career was his stint in Buffalo, however Championships followed him everywhere else he went and not just in Montreal but also in Pittsburgh, Detroit and Chicago. The man deserves his own section in the HHOF.

    It’s like in classical music. There are so many great composers but every era or so, somebody stands out as being in a class by themselves. Names that come to mind are Bach, Mozart and Beethoven. Bowman is such a persona in the hockey world.

    But I will also say this. I appreciate that you countered and disagreed with me intelligently and respectfully.

  35. kempie says:

    Yes. The greatest NHL coach of all time, bar none.

  36. Propwash says:

    Sorry for the loss of a friend.

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  37. Habfan10912 says:

    Sorry for your loss.

  38. DorvalTony says:

    Make sure the breeder teaches the dogs to speak French. Remember the Napierville parrot?
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