AK46, Weber to sit

AUDIO: Jacques Martin | Tom Pyatt | Marc Crawford | Stéphane Robidas | Mike Ribeiro

Andrei Kostitsyn, who has gone nine games without scoring a goal, will be a healthy scratch tonight along with defenceman Yannick Weber.

Coach Jacques Martin said he wasn’t happy with Kostitsyn’s intensity but he said he hoped that benching Kostitsyn would send a message to some of the other players who haven’t been pulling their weight.

Backup goalie Alex Auld and defenceman Alexandre Picard were both cleared for action after missing practice Monday.

 

143 Comments

  1. punkster says:

    Good one K1K…LawnMoen Man made me LOL cause I just love the way this guy gets involved…no matter the preordained outcome.

    ***Subbang!!!***

  2. krob1000 says:

    this has been one of the more fun negative days though…it’s all ben in good fun from what I have seen….not like the darker days in the past where things get nasty…we’re still leading the division but JAcques does some strange things…..he said himself it was also to send a message to others? what the heck is that? should those others not be sat then? that is some weird stuff to say no matter how you slice it but such is life under Jacques….

  3. J Haul says:

    Yes, he might be responsible for the odd turnover, but I can’t see him helping the cause from the press box. We all know that he isn’t the prolific 2-way player that Pleks is, but we also all know that he is one of our few legitimate scoring threats… and we need goals.

    I know the top line of Cam/Pleks/Tits was broken up to try and get some other guys going, but it was a failed experiment. Now that the other scoring line is playing well, why not just put AK back with those guys for a while and see if the spark is rekindled? It was our go-to line for most of last year and the start of this year. In hindsight (or as some fans figured in foresight), it should never have been broken up to begin with.

    I suppose a game off to examine the game from a different angle wouldn’t be the end of the world for the guy, but it can’t extend beyond that (win or lose) and it needs to be followed up with a significant (meaning, not for a couple shifts until a bad play) reunion with Plekanec and Cammalleri. I’m more concerned with the team’s success than Kostitsyn’s feelings, but I can’t help but feel the odds of the team scoring some goals are greater with him in the lineup than out of it.

  4. punkster says:

    How absolutely, positively, astoundingly, idiotically, typically STOOOPID!!!

    And by that I refer to some of the reasoning presented here today as to why AK is sitting out. Not all the negative comments on the subject so far are in that category but some of them are just laughable.

    Look at the stats if you’re a stats guru. If not just ask yourself what it is you wish they would do more. What’s this team’s number one deficiency? What is going to bite this team in the ass either before the playoffs or during? What are they missing more than everything else? Goals. You can whine about size, toughness, defence, soft goals against, coaching, whatever but the game is still decided by one thing; goals.

    “Ohhh but he’s benching one of our top goal scorers”. Yep, but the guy not only is not scoring but he’s not even getting involved. Those other top 6 players who aren’t scoring are at least trying, consistently. They may be doing things wrong but they’re trying.

    “Ohhh but he’s benching one of the top potential scorers on the team”. Yep, and if the guy would actually display some of that potential, consistently or even try FFS. But he doesn’t and this isn’t the first time we’ve seen it. Potential? Pfft…the league is full of guys with potential who will play out their 5 to 7 years average and retire.

    “Ohhh but JM isn’t treating them fairly by only benching one guy”. Fair, schmair, who the heck told you fairness had anything to do with being an NHL coach. It’s not about being fair, it’s about searching for answers in a roster that is weak on scoring. Some players need a kick in the butt, a benching, a talking to, a hand holding, a shoulder to cry on, a walk in the Old Port and some just need to be left to work things out on their own.

    The message being sent here is: Grow up AK. You’re on thin ice here…again…and you’ll be playing for a sunbelt team before the deadline unless you deliver up a boat load of that “potential” we’ve heard so much about over the years. At the present time your type are a dime a dozen in the league and even in our system. Reasonable size, strong, good hands but consistently failing to deliver on that vaunted “potential”.

    ***Subbang!!!***

  5. ctony says:

    JM has the balls.  Players like Gomez fit his system.  So, he works WITH them.  I don’t like JM and I don’t always care for his favourites or favouritism.  But management has to build an organization with ONE direction.  Players to fit a style and a coach to coach it.  BG and PG chose JM and get him the players he needs to be successful.

    Unfortunately, players I like are on the outside looking it – AK, PK, and Pouliot (gets short shrift) on the current roster; OB and SK already out the door.  I’d prefer that the Habs find ways to develop talent and let them play their game.  That’s a much more difficult coaching assignment and it’s not guaranteed to work.  

  6. B says:


    Thats why their team is leading their division. Thats why when everyone thought they wouldn’t even make the playoffs they are in 3rd place…

    They could very easily be sitting in 8th place when they fly back to Montreal Thursday night.

  7. nick says:

    Is AK any worse in December 2010, than Gomez was Oct/Nov 2010?

    I don’t recall Gomez being a healthy scratch… I do recall JM breaking up productive lines trying to get Gomez going again.

    Next thing ya know they’ll be pulling Price to send a message to the non performers. :P

     

     

  8. krob1000 says:

    Lol….he watched Hamilton and called up Pacioretty right away …maybe if he watched one of the HAbs games he would get an idea of who really turns the puck over

  9. lenny says:

    i doubt it, JM plays with the lines even when they are doing well.

  10. LA Loyalist says:

    Hockey is about putting the puck in the other net more often than the other team puts it in your net.

    We are number 2 in goals against because our defence and especially Price have played pretty well, just not well enough to offset our small, soft, inconsistent offence.

    And we will never win a cup with Gomez — until we can spend his cap amount wisely after he is gone. At which point we may have some guys like Tinardi and a couple of other stud prospects work out – about 2014. By then PK and Price, Poo and Eller etc should be in their prime.

    From now until then, pain.

    Take out your crayon and write it on your fridge. I guarantee you that is the truth. And JM won’t the coach, either.

    Good thing Obama doesn’t know how smart you are, he’d be worried.

    too small, too soft, too intangible

  11. notbigbird says:

    Serious question for those who follow the league better than most of us. Do other teams mess with their lineups and players’ heads as much as ours? I’ll leave it at that.

  12. LTHF says:

    Not to belabor the point of what Martin keeps doing,  just couple of facts of late,   Subban makes a few mistakes and pays the price by sitting.  AK dont score  in a few games and he sits. Gill can make  mistake after mistake every game and  gets 20+ minutes per game. And just to  make a comparison, Gill record 0  goals 2 assist and -7.  OByrne  0 goals 4 assist + 13 and 20 + minutes a game.  I guess someone making 2.3M per year has to play regardless of being a liability .

    r

  13. MathMan says:

    As Mathias Brunet pointed out — yeah, he had a bad giveaway leading to a goal, when Cammy put a pass in his skate that no hockey player could’ve controlled well.

    But it’s AKost, so he’s the guy who gets blamed.

  14. Bugs says:

    Heh!

    Unquestionably unquestionable, I think I’m

    L. Bugs Potter, esq., Herzog of ze Abominable Habsuchtig Brigade, Markgraf of ze Fearsome Flanell Flausen Flank, und devoted minion of ze Habsbros Order: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  15. HabFanSince72 says:

    AK46 has been responsible for a few giveaways and soft plays lately, including a really bad one against Colorado on Sunday. He seems to be in his zombie mode.

    Rumour has it that Vancouver will have to trade either Bieksa or Christian Erhoff in order to reduce their cap.

    Bieksa is playing 22 min per game and is solid defensively. He was once an offensive threat, but not this year. Erhoff is excellent and  could QB the powerplay.

    Both are UFAs next summer.

     

  16. VancouverHab says:

    Again, I would imagine that a difference of two Stanley Cups and a decade of NHL success makes a difference in benching decisions.

     

  17. MathMan says:

    What’s a coaching staff to do? I’ll tell you what they are NOT to do:

    They don’t bench one of their few front-line wingers who doesn’t particularly deserve it, mess up their lines, cripple the effectiveness of their fourth line by playing their C, the guy who carries them, into a first-line winger role where he is a-out of position and b-not quite ready yet, and tick off your entire roster by making the game more difficult to win at a time the team especially needs a W.

    Martin is pissing away two points to send a message that didn’t need to be sent, all because of a slump that’s been mostly about bounces but risks suddenly not being about it.

  18. LA Loyalist says:

    How about we sit Martin for a game and let Muller run the team? If he thinks watching from up top is so beneficial he should try it.

     

    too small, too soft, too intangible

  19. krob1000 says:

     

    A hater’s Habs Program:

    Gomez – “Super G’- for his incredible slaloming talents….unfortunately hockey is a bit of a challenge but man that guy can go end to end like no other.

    Gio – “Geo Shifter”  has amazing shiftiness….but seems to have an issue with Geography at times and can’t seem to find an open net

    Cammi -”Cammalazy” – If our goalie is closer than their goalie why should he even bother?

    Pleks-”Raphael”- Sometimes in times of trouble this Turtle panics in crowds after whistles and you can see him shaking his head trying to remember what Master Splinter told him to do during these tough times

    Andrei – “AK46″ that nickname still works…he doesn’t deserve a name because Kostitsyn’s aren’t people anyways…not in Montreal anyway.

    Pacioretty – “Pacionotready” nickname given to him last year and until he scores a goal this year that wasn’t banked corner pocket it’s stickin!

    Spacek-”Spa Czech” – many times walking around him is like attending a spa appt…sometimes he even fans at you with his stick

    Hammer- “Hamper” – all other teams seem to like dumping in his corner

    Lapierre-”L’Appear” Because he L’appears to be employing the Guimode of buying his ticket out of town this year

    Pyatt -”Falling Tree”- if a Pyatt plays in the NHL and noone sees or hears him play did he really ever play?

    Eller – “Young Yeller” this yellow headed mutt ….he’ll always be in the Count’s doghouse.

    Pouliot-”Poo-a-lot or Benny Pee” – He’s not quite toilet trained yet and when me makes a mistake JM still wipes his nose it

    Moen-”LawnMoen Man”- As Moen gets more and more powerful he is eventually going to get back at all those heavyweights who beat him up

    Darche-I’ll leave him alone cause it’s just so great he finally got a regular gig

    Subban- “Pernell Karl”-PK without the flare = Pernell Karl…is there a name  more boring than that ?(honourable mention to Eldrick Woods)

    Gill – “HAL” how appropriate ……. I think back to 2010:A Space Oddyssey….well it’s 2010 and HAL would be an oversized and somewhat useless computer in today’s world….hmmmm

    Weber – “Swiss Miss” – not quite the Mark Streit we were looking for but c’mon an undersized offensive , Swiss Dman…had to take a swing

    Carey Price – “Poser” – who does this guy think he is stopping all of these pucks..he is no Ken Dryden, Jacques Plante , Patrick Roy  or Jaroslav Halak and I really wish he would stop playing like he is so I can let him know it

  20. joeybarrie says:

    Didn’t I?

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  21. Bugs says:

    Well, whatever it was, YOU believed it, didn’t you?

    Unquestionably unquestionable, I think I’m

    L. Bugs Potter, esq., Herzog of ze Abominable Habsuchtig Brigade, Markgraf of ze Fearsome Flanell Flausen Flank, und devoted minion of ze Habsbros Order: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  22. J Haul says:

    hmm.. not sure what taking an offensive threat out of the lineup is going to accomplish. We’ve been having trouble scoring, so wouldn’t it make more sense to have natural scorers in the lineup? It seems to me the solution would be simple… put Kostitsyn back on the only line he seems to be comfortable on (Plekanec’s line) and the rest will sort itself out. Gomez’s line is finally playing well with the addition of Pacioretty, so wouldn’t this have been the perfect time to re-unite the top line? Odd decisions.

  23. rocketsglare says:

    JM’s constant mixing of his lines could have had an effect on Kostitsyn’s play. Remember how well he was playing

    early in the season when he was paired with Plekanec. But, it still does not excuse his lack of production and esp-

    ecially his physical play. However, Kostitsyn’s not the only forward that has disappeared or underachieved and this

    inconsistency in line play and production has been the biggest problem so far for this team.

    Whether more time is needed for the set lines to gel or for personnel changes to be made, but something must be

    done to correct the scoring difficulties of this team. What do you guys think?

    Go Habs Go!

     

  24. joeybarrie says:

    How was it looking like he was out? Did JM meet with the media and ask them who he should play?

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  25. Bugs says:

    Ball-bells? “Belle” of the ball, Pup. That’s first of all.

    Second of all, can you please locate a quote from Plecky that says he’s NOT looking forward to playing with someone?

    “Aw, man, that guy? Aw, I don’t wanna play with him. He’s NOT a strong player and he DOESN’T have a good hockey sense.”

    Any link will do, Pup. Thanks.

    Unquestionably unquestionable, I think I’m

    L. Bugs Potter, esq., Herzog of ze Abominable Habsuchtig Brigade, Markgraf of ze Fearsome Flanell Flausen Flank, und devoted minion of ze Habsbros Order: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  26. PeterD says:

    So what’s a coach and his coaching staff to do??

    The team is in a mini-losing slump…if we drop out of 1st place in the NE division we drop to 8th or 9th in the conference and out of a play off position…Boston is 1 win away from taking us out of 1st place…I’d say there is a need to do some serious a**kicking to get the players attention.

    AK is playing soft and with a lack of intensity the team needs form ALL players…if he is not commited to earn every shift then I say bring in Pyatt and bring in the energy.

    We no longer have the time or luxury to allow PK to flaunt his skills and flambouyant play at the detriment to the defensive side of the game…if he continues to be a defensive liability regardless of his offensive flare and upside, he will need to sit so that we reduce our goals against…if we were scoring goals this may not be a big problem…but this team has major trou ble putting pucks behind the goalies.

    THis is the time of year that thte GM and his staff should be considering a move or 2 that will make a step change in our compete level and improve our chances of not only making the play-offs but going farther than the conference finals…that means being clear that our current forwards will not get it done and our current d-men will not get it done.

  27. joeybarrie says:

    Thanks for the set-up. I was hoping someone would do it for me… I prefer to wait until something is confirmed before I judge the situation. But then again it just stops me from participating in the Bieksa, Kaberle, and anyone else Eklund says we are trading for, FUN….

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  28. BJ says:

    This just in. Martin upper body injury. How high up in the body? Between the ears is my guess.

  29. joeybarrie says:

    Because hockey in the NHL is not just simply about putting the puck in the net. If that was the case the Caps would have a Stanley Cup.

    Try and remember that we have only won 1 game without Gomez in the last 2 years. Good coaches know the value of players like Gomez, Moen, and Pyatt. Thats why their team is number two in Goals Against. Thats why their team is leading their division. Thats why when everyone thought they wouldn’t even make the playoffs they are in 3rd place…

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  30. Nina76 says:

    Everlasting1………….Another great post you know what you are talking about…………..I agree with you ………..TRADE/MOVE no scapegoats get on with it……JM. or can you make a sensible decision???????? PLAY YOUR GAME SUBBAN DON’T LET THEM TALK YOU OUT OF IT, YOU ARE YOUNG YET , DON’T LET THE COACH DESTROY YOUR CONFIDENCE!!!!!!!!!!GO HABS GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  31. vic says:

    Its said AK is not pulling his weight.How many lines JM put him on.The truth he does like hime after he leaves and he will who next SUBAN .

    This is a lousey coach with an ego thats to big to accept that moves he makes are no good so the ego blames the player.

    The team may just stop playing for him.

  32. BJ says:

    I think Weber is out and not PK but who knows with this team.

  33. MTLForever says:

    It’s alright!

  34. SmartDog says:

    REPOSTING. (I POSTED THIS AN HOUR AGO BUT IT’s ALREADY 2 THREADS BACK.)

    Plekanec said he was looking forward to playing with Eller.
    “He’s a strong player and he has a good hockey sense,” Plekanec said.

    Plekanec
    is not just THE MAN, he’s the freakin’ bell of the ball.  Play with
    Plekanec and you’re playing on a bona fide #1 NHL line almost bound to
    get points most games.  Play with anyone else and your likelihood of a
    goal or assist drops dramatically.  It’s great that Pleks is looking
    forward to playing with Eller. Eller deserves the shot – he works his
    tail off and is improving almost nightly. 

    I do wonder though,
    has Kostitsyn really been that bad?  I mean… worse than Cami or Gomez
    or Pouliot?   I guess what bothers me is that some guys seem to be quite
    exempt from criticism while other guys seem to be whipping boys.  And
    then I think of O’Byrne logging top-4 minutes and a +13 in Colorado and
    wonder if JM really could be making big mistakes with his biases.  All
    praise for JM’s system, he’s brought stability to the team, and seems to
    have a pretty good locker room, etc.  But we’ve lost some good players
    (JM bubble players) in the last couple of years for modest or no return.

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  35. BJ says:

    What now. Lets piss off AK46 send him with his brother to Nashville for another Boyd and Ellis? The management incompetence in dealing with players here is staggering. As one poster suggested bench Martin. I thought they selected AK 46 for offense? So I guess the solution is take him off the top lines and put him on a checking line or even better yet, healthy scratch…..

  36. SeriousFan09 says:

    It was an early-morning rumour about PK being sat that got it all going, because no one bothered to wait for the Habs I/O reporters and RDS people to post on what the actual lineups were like.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  37. MathMan says:

    The Habs aren’t playing much differently from earlier, but they’re not getting the bounces. Price isn’t even the problem. Earlier in the season he wasn’t as good as he is now, but the team would limit chances against and win anyway (granted, the opposition was pretty weak).

    I credited JM for a very unexpected strategic turnaround since the beginning of the season. I’m genuinely starting to wonder how much he really had to do with it.

  38. Bugs says:

    You didn’t miss anything. Until 20 minutes ago, it looked like he was out.

    Unquestionably unquestionable, I think I’m

    L. Bugs Potter, esq., Herzog of ze Abominable Habsuchtig Brigade, Markgraf of ze Fearsome Flanell Flausen Flank, und devoted minion of ze Habsbros Order: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  39. SmartDog says:

    I think back to that HUGE 3-game slump that preceeded Martin breaking up our first line and think WTF often.

    And this line kills me:

    benching Kostitsyn would send a message to some of the other players who haven’t been pulling their weight.

    Yeah, that’s the way to send a message to everyone ELSE – bench one of your top scorers who you’ve shuffled around from line to line.  Smart message sending Jacques.  I bet Gomez is scared!  Until at least, he sees his bank balance, then things are fine again.

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  40. Bob_Sacamano says:

    Typical JM. No balls to bench Gomez when he played worse for more consecutive games. And what about Travis Moen? Pyatt is back to play on the PK, so why do we need our 14th best scorer more than our 3rd best?

  41. joeybarrie says:

    PK is in the lineup???? OH, WOW…. How did I miss that? I guess thats what happens when you listen to the rumors, don’t bother reading the reports and believe the HIO posts about JM. Cause I was in the other thread and I could have sworn I saw 10-15 posts bashing JM on sitting PK tonight. How ever did they get that wrong? I really would have assumed they knew EXACTLY what they were talking about…

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  42. ooder says:

    wow way out of context there..

    that was a rare time JM made a joke

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    88 is the new 23

  43. Richard B says:

    Remember when the habs were winning every game and Plecks, Cammy and AK were scoring a ton of points about 15 games ago? Then in his infinite wisdom Jacques saw fit to put Cammy on the second line with Gomer? Then after Cammy started playing poorly, they put AK down there with gomer. lmao. So now, we have neither line doing as well as what it once was…and AK (who is one of the team leaders in points) is sitting on the bench. He may not be playing well right now…but comon. Sometimes I think players shoudl munitany. I think Jacques should ride the pine for a game or two.

    Richard B

  44. SeriousFan09 says:

    ??? PK is in the lineup.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  45. SeriousFan09 says:

    HAM is a pretty strong AHL team on most years, Cunneyworth has previous HC experience in the AHL so it’s allowed him to run a pretty efficient bench. Boucher did very well as a rookie coach in the AHL (especially when the Habs were raiding them for bodies) but he wasn’t taken a bottom-ranked team to the top either, Dogs were doing well under Don Lever in the previous season. Coachs change, Bulldogs stand tall.

    I think Boucher could be a very good NHL coach, but I don’t think he would have been right as a rookie NHL coach in MTL. I think we may see him back here one day though.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  46. avatar_58 says:

    Isn’t it possible for them both to be good coaches?

  47. joeybarrie says:

    Where and when did he say this?

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  48. CHasman says:

    I agree completely. The way JM handles his players and shuffles his lines and breaks up working combinations makes me sick.  I’m losing respect for his coaching tactics but I don’t really matter.  I just hope the players don’t feel the same way.  The team played hard against Colorado and only needed some bounces to win.  Kostitsyn was the one who took the puck away from the Av’s defenseman to start the play Cammy scored on.  Honestly I think our team is playing the same hockey they played earlier this season but at that time Price was standing on his head.  He’s still playing good but the bad goals are starting to creep back into his game.  So now we need to help him by scoring more goals but Jacques Martin doesn’t coach offensive hockey, it’s defense all the way. And now sitting Kostitsyn is another move to help score goals?

  49. joeybarrie says:

    I can’t believe JM is sitting PK Subban. What is he thinking. What a crazy coach. I just do not understand.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  50. MathMan says:

    AK46 is the kind of player good GMs steal from bad GMs: productive, effective, capable of playing tough 5-on-5 minutes, and not too expensive, but dogged by a bad reputation about his work ethic and disliked by the media and fans for reasons that have little to do with his effectiveness.

    Usually what happens then is that the bad GM starts believing the press and trades him for what he can get to the good GM — who then acquires a useful piece for nothing, why the bad GM suddenly realizes he now has a hole in his lineup he must scramble to fill, and ends up doing so with a player that’s both less effective and more expensive.

    Montreal just shouldn’t consider trading him.

  51. 123456 says:

    SO – sounds like some disagree with benching AK46. Let’s move on people…..

    Question – when Boucher was “let go” to coach Tampa not enough could be said about how great he is. I do not knwo hte man and Tampa is certainly playing well (hmm could be that goal scoring machine they have). But anyway – The Bulldogs have lost a few kep players from last season: PK had 53 pts and  was plus 46, Weber had 32 pts and was plus 16. Darche played a third season with the Bulldogs and had almost a point per game – Pyatt almost a point per game in a half of a season down there. So, was Boucher really a great coach? Is cunnyworth just as good or maybe better since the Dogs are again near the top of the AHL having lost considerable talent?

    Maybe Serious009 has an opinion

    I do not have a strong opinion but I think it is reasonable to say that Cunnyworth is a good coach and Boucher is not missed.

  52. volcano62 says:

    Interesting.

  53. mbplekfan says:

    You cant learn the NHL game in the AHL. Eller needs icetime and decent linemates. Nobody expected him to be a rookie scoring machine. Do you remember Pleks first two seasons?

    Eller is right where he needs to be.

  54. Bugs says:

    In-depth report. Young Habs getting the shaft?

    The about-face on Poolio and PK is staggering.

    Unquestionably unquestionable, I think I’m

    L. Bugs Potter, esq., Herzog of ze Abominable Habsuchtig Brigade, Markgraf of ze Fearsome Flanell Flausen Flank, und devoted minion of ze Habsbros Order: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  55. nick says:

    I think we’re talking about the guy who’s got the third (21) most points with the CH… But then again he also has the second most hits on the team (65), tied for the highest +/- (+9), second most power play goals on the team… I could keep going… They all apply, take your pick.

  56. r says:

    Martins true colors are showing, recall martins comment on why andrei was doing well at the beginning of the season “andrei is playing in a contract year” A coach should never talk publicly like that. Martin is clearly showing no respect for AK46.

  57. r says:

    AK46 has team leading +9, 3rd in points, 4th in goal, solution bench him

  58. MTLForever says:

    If you really watch him play, you can see he is NHL ready, I would also like him to get more playing time but it’s just how it is. We will see tonight.

  59. Habsone says:

    Not sure what AK46 you guys have been watching.  I guess it must be my 3D tv that’s making him look bad. He should have signed up for battle of the blades.

  60. StevieRay says:

    dumb ass move ..nuff said

  61. ed lopaz says:

    Ak will be happy to leave.

    When he was flying with Pleks and Cammy, he was taken off that line for no apparent reason.

    We speculated that it was to JUMP START Gomez for petes sake.

    Now that Gomez is going why not just put him back on that line and let them go for a few games.

    There is no reason.

    JM is a stubborn old mule.

    He has been fired by worse teams than the Habs, and he will be fired in short order here as well.

  62. lenny says:

    I don’t think this move will be good for AK46 trade value, we should have moved him when he was hot in the beginning of the year…AK46 does not seem like the type of guy that will take the benching as a lesson and improve on it. This will totally take what little wind he had out of his sail….

  63. MathMan says:

    Ouch.

    Hardly one of Martin’s clever moments. But one of his most annoying traits is a willingness to risk pissing away two points to “send a message”… A message that’s often misaimed and/or of dubious importance. Especially now, with the Habs mired in a 1-4 spiral he can’t affort to turn into a death spiral.

    We’ll see if the message gets received but somehow I have my doubts – and here I’m not sure I’d blame the players. Especially Kostitsyn who’s had to shoulder far more than his fair share of blame over the years.

    Just not too clever a move. Must-win game against Carolina?

  64. yukonhab says:

    That’s a brilliant idea!!

     

     

     

     

    Support your local indian – Price 31

  65. adam76 says:

    Lars Eller needs to be sent down.  He needs solid ice time to see if he has what it takes in the NHL.  

    I’m not saying he won’t be an NHL caliber forward, but he not even close to being a full time NHL player.   The organization is hurting his career by tossing him out for 6 mins a game.   

  66. punkster says:

    Sorry, just saw this post. OK, I would agree that management has to do something. Whether they are directly responsible for his shortcomings or not isn’t the issue. Up until now management has assumed, rightly or wrongly, that AK can do what they want him to do. Unfortunately he has been inconsistent in performing what they now need. So yes, it now becomes their decision. Hey, some players work out, some don’t. It’s not like AK was a Crosby or Ovi level player. Never will be.

    ***Subbang!!!***

  67. punkster says:

    Poor individual play.

    I,too, see his potential but one thing comes to mind; inconsistent effort. When he plays strong in the corners, goes to and crashes the net, backchecks and stays involved in our own end the guy is good, no question. He just doesn’t seem to want or have the ability to keep doing all those things.

    ***Subbang!!!***

  68. Everlasting1 says:

    That explains everything! Never mind..disregard my previous posts lol

     

     

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  69. Kooch7800 says:

    ….well, Gomez probably deserved to sit but he is a vet and is our highest paid player. JM seems to treat veterans a little differently.

    AK46 hasn’t been that bad the last couple of games but he also hasn’t been that good either. I think he is being benched because Eller has earned a shot at the Top 6 for a game and putting AK on the bottom 6 lines doesn’t really make any sense.

    In the grand scheme of things it is one game. Nothing to really worry about.

  70. B says:

    You gave him a half million dollar raise, Kostitsyn’s salary and cap hit is $3.25M this season.

  71. ctony says:

    JM doesn’t need to be fair. 
    He doesn’t owe fans explanations. 
    He doesn’t have to develop talent. 
    He has to win.  He’s the coach
    here.  PG builds a team based on what JM
    wants.  JM doesn’t seem to want AK
    around.  Long term he may not want PK or
    Pouliot around.  If JM wins with his guys
    and his style – great (for all of us). 
    If he doesn’t, he’ll be fired. 
    That’s life in the fast lane.

    AK’s aggregate performance is fine.  Enough scoring, hits, etc.  Certainly, relative to his playing time and
    his salary compared with others on the team. 
    But that’s not the issue.  AK is just not a JM guy. PK didn’t get
    benched for a bonehead play or two.  His
    personality doesn’t mesh with JM’s preference for the team. PK is not really a JM guy. Pouliot
    isn’t a checker and has played well enough to merit consideration as a regular
    on the top 6.  Not going to get it.  Pouliot
    is not a JM guy.

    Gomez underwhelmed to start the year.  He stayed on a top line, got top line
    minutes.  Gomez is a JM guy.  Spatch
    makes mistakes, Gill is too slow.  Hamr
    wears down playing too many minutes. 
    They play.  They are JM guys.  

  72. TommyB says:

    I’m not going to go back and check the game summaries for the last dozen games, but if I did, I’d bet AK has been pretty much absent from the scoresheet compared to the first dozen games.  Also, in those first dozen games he was hitting everything.  That has tailed off as well as his point total.  I have a hard time agreeing with you that he is getting involved.  He also stated that he prefers to play on one line, and not get moved around.  That’s a symptom of excuse-itis.  Your play dictates which line you play on and for how long.

  73. Everlasting1 says:

    Btw, sitting a player making $3.75M/yr? Due to bad coaching? Bad managing? Poor individual play? You point the finger.

     

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  74. Everlasting1 says:

    No, what would you recommend doing ABOUT AK? You make it sound he’s the only one in question. Management and coaching staff are responsible for his shortcomings as well. They drafted, assessed, developed/coached, re-signed him..they are equally responsible in building a winning team. It’s a two-way street between the organization and players. If the organization feels he’s not giving his all and not playing to his potential, it becomes their decision to trade/move him (unless he asks to leave). There should be no escapegoats in a TEAM.

     

     ”We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  75. habs_1993 says:

    I’m not sure i agree or like this move, but, i’m not the coach, hopefully it pays off for a win

  76. Everlasting1 says:

    Even if it pays off for A win, doesn’t make it right.

     

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  77. Storm Man says:

    Oh Lord Martin…. What have you done now.

  78. 23 HABS 23 says:

    Not in favour of AK 46 being sat at all!  He has been juggled through lines all year and thus had to adjust to different line mates – he was on a tear with Cammi, Pleks (I believe those were his line mates) then Martin goes and busts that up and AK 46 is now to blame – maybe what Martin should do is lace up himself and show AK how to play, shoot and score!  Martin … What a bone head!

     

    Again, making AK 46 a healthy scratch … GARBAGE MOVE!  (imho).

     

    GO HABS GO! (Let’s go get that elusive 25th Stanley Cup!)

  79. B says:

    I had a similar thought. If Gomez and Gionta had not slumped so long earlier, then Martin probably would not have broken up the very successful Plekanec, Cammalleri and Kostitsyn line. That PCK line could still be flying along successfully with Kostitsyn a big part of it. Who knows?

  80. 23 HABS 23 says:

    AGREE 100%

    GO HABS GO! (Let’s go get that elusive 25th Stanley Cup!)

  81. Bugs says:

    Don’t wanna throw a monkey in the wrench but I’d rather have a team who does what’s wrong annd wins than a team who does what’s right and loses.

    Unquestionably unquestionable, I think I’m

    L. Bugs Potter, esq., Herzog of ze Abominable Habsuchtig Brigade, Markgraf of ze Fearsome Flanell Flausen Flank, und devoted minion of ze Habsbros Order: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  82. Everlasting1 says:

    Unquestionably, doing the right thing would only pay off with the most wins. Big picture, not pixels. Or as how you like to put it, no Mickeymousiness.

     

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  83. Kooch7800 says:

    Plec’s looked fine to me last game.  Set up Cammy for the first goal.  he will be fine.  Every player has little slumps now and then.  The problem we have had too many of our big guns firing blanks this year

  84. ctony says:

    How long before the Plex mini-slump becomes a major story?

  85. habs365 says:

    The stars will give martin a lesson tonight…not to fool with his lines…cause it ain’t fooling them a bit.

  86. derfab says:

    I don’t see the point. You want to put your most talented players in a position to help your team. Yell at him. Insult him and his mother. Make him kill penalties to teach him defence, but don’t put him on the bench unless a trade is already arranged. Even on a bad night he gets more chances and is more effective than Pyatt or … pretty much anyone in the bottom six.

  87. petrov14 says:

    If AK46 isnt on the top 2 lines then he might as well be on the bench. Hes not suited to a checking/energy role.

    BUT I do think he should be on the top 2 lines……(Cammy - Plecks - AK46)

    ______________________________________ Long live Captain Gionta.

  88. joeybarrie says:

    So maybe im not remembering your posts correctly, but are you even a Habs fan? Seems to me you WANT them to lose so your life of crticizing will have meaning…

    Maybe your just a troll and root for the Leafs. If so, then the punishment is already fitting the crime…

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  89. joeybarrie says:

    So maybe im not remembering your posts correctly, but are you even a Habs fan? Seems to me you WANT them to lose so your life of criticizing will have meaning…

    Maybe your just a troll and root for the Leafs. If so, then the punishment is already fitting the crime…

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  90. J.J. of Turku says:

    Couldn’t agree more. It’s like using Moen on the 2nd…Oh wait.. :D

     

    http://media.turku.fi/kamera1.html

  91. habs365 says:

    joey – your comment tells me one thing…you know very little about hockey…probably still trying to figure out what skates are for…you think like martin…sit one of you’re top six.. dah, and wonder why the habs are starting to slide…people that know hockey it’s not called criticise…it’s called analyse…you wouldn’t know about that…and as far as being a Habs fan…you were probably still shitin yellow…when I bacame a Habs fan…that’s why I know hockey…they had real montreal canadians back than…the richard brothers, Dickie Moore, Doug Harvey…5 consecutive stanley cups…if you didn’t witness this…you never will again in montreal…especially with your buddy martin behind the bench…you and him will be pretty quiet come june 2011…..

  92. MTLForever says:

    maybe you do not realize it’s way harder to win consecutive stanley cups in the new NHL, so no one is going to witness 5 straight for any team.

  93. habs365 says:

    joeybarrie – guess I ain’t that bad a coach after all…check the score in the 2nd period…Habs 1 – Stars 4 like I said martin is not smart enough to fool the stars…and yes, I’m a montreal canadians fan.

  94. habs365 says:

    wow – another intelligent comment…just in case you don’t understand my english

    wow – juste au cas ou vous n’avez pas compris mon anglas

  95. COPOKA HA KOPOBE says:

    Yeah, right! There it happens every election and became such a routine, that distracts nobody anymore. Even AK46.

  96. habs365 says:

    Omit – I’m glad you’re getting a few chuckles from some of the comments…that’s what it’s all about…and I don’t have anything against martin as a person…it’s just some of the things he doing with the team…one game he’s building a player up…couple games later the same player is watching from the stands or pressbox…common sense…how are you gonna get any consistency from a player or the team for that matter doing that…90% of the fans whom make comments on this site I’m sure will agree…having played 33 games…surely martin should have had two decent scoring lines by now…it’s gonna be playoff time and he’ll still be fooling with the lines…this is a good team…gotta have some established lines and let them play…sorry, but what’s happening right now is not good for the team…I’ve been a Montreal Canadians fan, seems like forever and I’m hoping like all the other fans that have concerns…montreal wins their 25 cup…believe me I don’t hate mr.martin…he’s gotta get it together before it’s too late…I can’t put it anymore honest than that…..

  97. Omit says:

    From the various posts that I have read here, many of you think you are qualified to run a hockey team in some capacity. I hate to be the one to bring you the bad news, but, you are most definitely not.

    However, thank you all for participating and providing me with a few chuckles.  It is very much appreciated.

  98. ctony says:

    Our collective inability to coach doesn’t mean we don’t have valid points or that every JM move is right.  He’s an average coach with a combination of good and bad ideas. 

  99. krob1000 says:

    dream crusher….

  100. ctony says:

    He’s great.  The PK issue is passe, fire JM – drone.  A couple of more points without a point for Plecs and this will become the main story around here. People saying he needs consistent wingers/leave him alone/make him the second line centre/JM is using him wrong/blah blah blah 

  101. Say Ash says:

    Je suis “Brian Gionta”

    Je suis “Scott Gomez”

    “Healthy Scratch”

  102. ooder says:

    ahahahaha

    good post man

    ——————

    88 is the new 23

  103. avatar_58 says:

    I’m confused. I’ll wait and see what the hell we hear before gametime. It’s like wheel of fortune with Martin

  104. HabFanSince72 says:

    Dude, you need to find something else to worry about. Seriously.

  105. habs365 says:

    ctony – I’ve been waiting for someone like you all night…I’ve been put through the wringer…Perfect Comment.

  106. CHsam says:

    How much were we spending on Samsonov when he was here ? I feel like I’m seeing shades of Samsonov or something

  107. thebonscott says:

    trade ak46 to vanc for bieksa, then trade for arnott from newjersy, and that would be swweeetttt

  108. volcano62 says:

    I’m not surpised….to be succesful this season we needed AK46 to play like he can.(the big hits and scoring key goals like he did at the beginning of the season) At the moment he is playing like his brother did when he was with us.

    Subban/Webber/Picard

    Can we trade one of them once and for all? Jeez this musical chair business can ruin someones confidence.

  109. MTLForever says:

    were not gunna trade subban lol what a joke.

  110. Duracell3 says:

    2. It’s funny when he pretends he is H. Sedin…..until the odd man rush the other way results in a  goal.

  111. mjames says:

    AK46′s benching comes as no surprise. This guy JM has the management skills of a dolt. I hope the team wins despite his moves. I do have one question. Why is that Pouliot or AK have to be the whipping boys? Martin is quoted as saying he is using AK46 as a example. This is pure bs. If it is obvious to us it must be obvious to members of the team as well as the press. I wonder why the press is silent on this.

    I will preface the following by stating that I hope we win the game. Having said that here are a few predictions:

    1- Pyatt will race down left side boards only to get stopped by Dallas’s right D-man and lose the puck. He will do this at least three times.

    2 – Gomez will the carry the puck into the Dallas zone only to stop and pass or try to pass to our cross ice D-man. This move will result in no scoring opportunity. Gomez we do this at least three times.

    3- Moen we have two to three chances and will turn over the puck.

    4 – Laps will take a careless penalty without any repercussions .

    5 – Pouliot will shoulder some of the blame if we lose or at least his play/mistake will be noted by the press.

       

     

    mjames

  112. nick says:

    “Coach Jacques Martin said he wasn’t happy with Kostitsyn’s intensity but he said he hoped that benching Kostitsyn would send a message to some of the other players who haven’t been pulling their weight. ”

    How about they just sit the other players?! Geeez…

  113. Say Ash says:

    I’d say AK’s been pulling his weight.

  114. Duracell3 says:

    I would, but I think he took the job knowing exactly that he would be playing this little.

  115. yukonhab says:

    What a joke! AK46 is one of the best scoring threats against any team. Just need to be more support of for him.

    Who can talk to him in the room no that Markov is gone? It has to affect him

     

     

     

     

    Support your local indian – Price 31

  116. andrewberkshire says:

    Hmm… we can’t score, so bench two offensive minded players for a guy with stone hands (pyatt) and a guy who’s basically MAB without a shot lately (picard). JM has done a good job with this club, but this is egregiously stupid. When will this organization start valuing offensive players more than grinders?

  117. SeriousFan09 says:

    When the offensive player doesn’t constantly miss the open net and float? Come on I like AK’s talent but he’s gone from PPG to less than half of that in his last 20 games. Something has to give. Missed way too many of those open nets lately and just having basic lapses.

    Not a fan of Picard staying in but do we really want to watch AK miss the empty net from the left circle 2-3 times again because it’s his ‘off wing’? If he’s a natural scorer he should have gotten one of those opportunities by now.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  118. nick says:

    Dito, hes had a few bad games… But I mean who hasn’t? I can think of a few big names who have stunk the joint out for weeks on end… Do they sit him? Nah… They bust up the lines producing points to try and pull him out of his funk, only to drag others down with him. It’s annoying to say the least.

    Next think you know he’ll be benching Price to send a message to other players who are under performing. Haha… That’d actually be kinda funny.

  119. volcano62 says:

    Probably not but someone has to go. With that said we would probably get someone really good for Subban.

  120. avatar_58 says:

    Trading a young D when we lose Hamrlik, Gill and possibly Gorges next year would be suicidal

  121. MTLForever says:

    Subban isn’t going anywhere. That would be an idiotic move, I don’t even care who we could get in return. We need him here.

  122. Nina76 says:

    everlasting1.good post I agree with you 100%…….I am sick of all the changing of lines for the love of pete jm leave them to-gether long enough to see what devolops…………..are you STUPID???????????I”ll answer that question YES! YES!!  JM try sitting the millionaires who are not doing much for what they are getting paid for. stop picking on the same ones all the time. What’s wrong with you Gauthier????? have you left town ?????? do you not have a say in who plays or doesn’t??????? Good for you Kirk someone has to say some nasty words to these guys don’t wait for Martin I don’t think he has it in him……………..GO HABS GO!!!!!!!!!! FOR 60 MIN. PLEASE!!!!!!

  123. Everlasting1 says:

    JM needs to loosen the reigns! The micro-coaching will have adverse affects and doesn’t create a teamwork atmosphere, nor inspire confidence. Put away the jot pad, seriously, what other coach does this? Making a list..checking it twice..gonna find out who’s faulty on ice? Anal much? Enough with the control freakishness. Choose the lines and stick with them. The players are already irritated by the indecisions, second guessing, and singling out.

     

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  124. LA Loyalist says:

    amen. well said.

  125. Chuck says:

    Auld was injured? What was wrong with him? Did a splinter in his butt get infected?

    The 2010 Montreal Canadians Christmas Card

  126. LA Loyalist says:

    I feel very sorry for Auld. He’d be better off playing in Hamilton and flying in as needed. The splinter thing is just bad.

  127. ctony says:

    JM:

    “Hey Cammi, Gomez, Gionta, Hamr, if you don’t perform guys like AK and PK with sit.  I’m not kidding Spatch.  The next you screw up, PK is on the pine.  Gio miss an open net and AK is watching from the press box.  Gomer score less than 10 points in 30 games and Benny is going to move from line to line until you get going.  We lost some games recently when Carey couldn’t stop every shot so we need more offense.  Moen, Halpy, Laps get ready, you’re going in when we desperately need scoring.  Patches, sorry about F— you around last season.  You’re up with the big club for good.  But if Eller misses an assignment on a late game PK, then he’s got your spot on the top line.”

    Ah, refreshingly insightful coaching by the managerial genius.

  128. andrewberkshire says:

    Rob, point out how he’s been floating. Do it please. No one can, because he isn’t. He’s still putting himself in positions to get very good scoring chances on nearly every shift, still going to the front of the net, and it’s Andrei Kostitsyn, not Plekanec, who’s been the first man back defensively the last 10-12 games. He’s not floating.


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