AK46, Weber return; Subban, Pouliot scratched

PRE-GAME AUDIO: Jacques Martin | Andrei Kostitsyn | Scott Gomez | Josh Gorges | Paul Maurice | Eric Staal | Jeff Skinner

Canadiens forward Andrei Kostitsyn and defenceman Yannick Weber return to active duty tonight against the Carolina Hurricanes, having been healthy scratches Tuesday in the Habs’ loss to the Dallas Stars.

P.K. Subban and Benoit Pouliot will watch the game from the pressbox.

Lars Eller, who took AK46’s place with Tomas Plekanec and Michael Cammalleri, will centre Tom Pyatt and Travis Moen tonight.

The Scott Gomez line, hot of late, remains intact.

Jeff Halpern will centre Maxim Lapierre and Mathieu Darche.

Carey Price gets the start in goal.


  1. LA Loyalist says:

    NHL players have been through a hell of a lot just to get to the NHL, they have mental toughness.

    However hockey at the expert level is muscle memory, trained instinct, trained reflexes – a fine example is that goal Cammy scored from his knee to his stick in the playoffs last year. If Cammy thinks, even for a micro-second, it doesn’t work.

    JM is doing something that is keeping many of the players from “flowing” and making them self-conscious when they should just be playing. Yes you can teach what you want them to do in certain tactical situations, if these guys weren’t coachable they wouldn’t be here.

    What is JM doing? Whatever it is, it obviously is not working, so why keep doing it? Power trip? Ego? Marking his territory? A good coach adjusts to his players – Pat Burns: 3 totally different teams, 3 coach of the year awards. 

    Martin is treating the players like horses, trying to break them to his mold. That’s the problem in a nutshell.


  2. ed lopaz says:

    its about building and developing a young person’s confidence – no matter what they do for a living.

  3. Natrous says:

    And we’ve finally reached the crux (and inherit flaw) of your logic: you are thinking of this as a fan, and not a coach. JM doesn’t give a crap what PK’s individual numbers look like, he cares about winning hockey games.

    If PK is playing so-so and giving up prime scoring chances to the opposition – more than any other defenceman on the team – he’s going to get scratched. It’s a learning process, not expected to be learned overnight. He’s a rookie, and those mistakes are expected, but if he’s not applying what he’s learning from Pearn, Muller and JM in practice, he needs time to watch the team and learn.

  4. The Cat says:

    Absolutely perfect rebuttal.


    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  5. krob1000 says:

    but it’ll be entertaining and we’ll all learn a few new words

  6. ed lopaz says:

     Loyalist, agree 100%!!!

    unfortunately, we are in the minority here.

    but keep up the great posts. I’m enjoying them.

    Oh, by the way, when Robinson called to offer his services, the HABS DID NOT EVEN RETURN HIS CALL – according to Robinson’s agent.



  7. shiram says:

    Worst analogy ever. How can you compare a team sport with wirtting and reporting skills? I get what you’re trying to say, but it makes no sense.

  8. HardHabits says:

    Yes and no. I don’t hold much weight in rumours. The Habs are a tight ship. Nevertheless even a duck’s arse under water can let a fart slip through so I will also take a grain of salt with my innuendo.


    What’s REALLY going on with the Canadiens!? – December 22, 2010

    Bear in mind that it’s Habs Talk Radio, so it’s speklundation at the Internet’s finest.

  9. madcap_habsfan says:

    Are you blind? P.K. has not being playing any better then the rest of them for the last few games, He’ll get his mojo back and hopefully he’ll learn something or be pissed enough to prove JM wrong and get back to his awesome style of play he had going at the start of the season


    -“People have to really suffer before they can risk doing what they love.” Chuck Palahniuk

  10. ed lopaz says:

    You are a few years older than PK. Right?

    Imagine the Gazette hires you full time to take over Boones job.

    You feel like you are doing well, and they let you write more and more.

    In fact, even compared to Hickey and Stubbs, your articles are being published more often.

    Then, your writing slipps a bit – your confidence is a little shaken.

    After all its your first season writing for The Gazette sports.

    Stu Cowan comes into your office and tell you to take a break.

    Your work is not needed for tonight, and for the rest of the week.

    You walk out of Cowan’s office shaking your head. He’s the boss.

    But when you return to the office and start writing again, your mojo is gone, your confidence is shot, you stink!!

    Cowan comes in, its time to take another break, Serious Fan. 

    We don’t need you again, and we think the paper/internet site is better off without you for now.

    Are you a “delicate flower” because you’re upset by Cowan’s decision??

    Its easy for you sitting in your apartment – expecting PK to take the benching in stride!!

    I’ve brought up 3 hockey players – and I can tell you – its never easy  and we,re not “delicate flowers”.

    PK looks absolutely lost since the last benching.

    He is playing like a guy who needs to be sent back to Hamilton.

    Explain that.

    His confidence is obviously shaken. He does not know what to do with the puck.

    His instincts are all wrong all of a sudden. And he’s being asked to change his game for the first time in his life.

    Watch the old Junior Canada games on ESPN Classic, or last years highlites from Hamilton.

    This is not PK!!

    You call that a “delicate flower”??

    Go ahead.

  11. avatar_58 says:

    So hey, lets bench him again! Should REALLY help his numbers right? What are Picards numbers again? Gorges last game? Spacek/Hamrlik?

  12. Natrous says:

    Even if there’s only one ‘youngun’ to bring up (Weber)? I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but Alex Henry isn’t an NHL-caliber defenceman. That’s called leaving it a little thin if you ask me.

  13. HabFanSince72 says:

    It ain’t gonna be pretty.

  14. Natrous says:

    So lemme get this straight: Subban gets scratched, team wins but PP sucks. Subban comes back into the fold, team loses and PP is awesome? I didn’t notice the PP during this losing streak, so I’ll have to take your word on it.

    Take a look at the numbers since PK’s 3 game hiatus, he’s got 2 points, -6 over 6 games. Obviously he’s not lighting up the PP, but he has been contributing towards lighting the lamp behind Carey.

    I love this site for it’s information content, but the comments section leaves little to be desired. Case in point: Bench PK, and comments are “we’re killing his confidence” or “we need him on the PP cause we can’t score”. Play PK (if December’s rate continues he’ll be -40 by season’s end) and it’ll be “JM/PG rushed PK into the NHL”. We saw it with CP31 over the past three seasons, and it never ends…

  15. thebigguy says:

    I look at the skill, or lack thereof on this team. Let’s be honest, there are plenty of teams that have a far superior top 6 forwards. We don’t have a legitimate shut down defenceman yet we continue to do well. The only places where we seem to be superior is goaltending, and yes, coaching. Look at the adjustments that have been made to repair our powerplay. We used to be a terrible PK team, that’s not the case anymore.

  16. rwparent says:

    everybody makes mistakes every game – some less glaring than others but the big problem with this team is the inconsistent EFFORT by most

    the only guys that show up every night and every shift are Eller, Hammer, Gionta and Pleks AND SUBBAN – most everyone else take shifts or even nights off –  coasting and hoping Price will steal one is not a good recipe for success

    outworking the opposition (like in the playoffs last year) seem to work

    they have not been doing that

    scapegoats are for losers – this is a winning team…stop dumping it on the kid

    get Jacques a coffee – he needs to wake up a bit 

    …saw a T-Shirt at the mall that said ” Tell your mom to pick up the kids at the rink – they are beating the Leafs 3-1″


  17. Malreg says:

    Did Bugs see this yet? Did I miss it???

  18. LA Loyalist says:

    My Christmas wish from the Molsons.

    8:59 am – Fire PG, replace him with Youpi as acting GM. It’s not like we have anyone tradeable that we wish to trade, or any cap room, so why do we need a GM for the next few months?

    9:00 am – fire JM, or promote him, or lock him in his hotel room.

    9:01 am – press conference: Kirk Muller coach, Larry Robinson Defense Coach

    then we can all relax and drink egg nog with maybe something extra in it. Merry Christmas to all.

  19. TripleX says:

    I realize he is no JM SF09.  But Good Lord man, who is?

    Still a Stanley Cup and TWO Jack Adams Trophies are not too shabby.  So you are condemming Lemaire for coming up with a coaching strategy that maximized the advantages of having a great defense and Brodeur?  Ok?



    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  20. avatar_58 says:

    So who is benched tonight of the top 6? I mean save for maybe Gomez they ALL played like crap. Gionta couldn’t shoot to save his life, Cammalleri was invisble, Plekanec didn’t help at all and Eller didn’t belong there.

  21. mjames says:

    I had the good fortune of watching our Dallas effort the other night. Over the past day I have had the opportunity to read some of the posts and  columns regarding our performance . I will say that I was relieved to read that Jacques saw some real positive things in the Dallas game. I feel so much better knowing that goals are secondary to sound play “without” the puck. 

    Below are some of my observations on the game, the team and the analysis put forth by the experts.

    (1) It appeared to me that Dallas was toying with the Habs during most of the game. In this game shots on goal was a totally misleading and irrelevant statistic. One is kidding oneself if one takes comfort in the fact that the Habs limited Dallas scoring chances. It appeared to me from watching the game that Dallas could have done anything it wanted to do. We were that outclassed. Either Martin is just plain lying or he is a bigger incompetent than I thought if he took some positives from this game.

    (2) The benching of AK46 confirmed one thing in my opinion. AK’s passing creates the chances for the Pleks line. I have nothing against the effort put forth by Cammy, Eller and Pleks but the guy who makes that line go is AK and his passing.  I am not talking about his effort without the puck i am talking when he has the puck. I would say more than 90% of his passes are tape to tape.  Someone should ask Cammy and Pleks what AK’s contribution to this line is.

    (3) Gomez must have one heck of contract. I think the contract must absolve him from back-checking responsibility. Unlike Eller, Pleks and others, Gomez is never down low in our end trying to check. The only time I see him in our end is when circles to pick up the puck and begin one of his patented rushes to “nowhere”. Sure he got an assist but so did AK in his last game. It is obvious that Gomez is an untouchable on the team.

    (4) Who was that #26 on our team. He looked like one of the Dmen from our Tier 3 men’s hockey league. That was the worst display of hockey that I have ever seen on a professional level. It was pointed out in the various posts and columns that Gorges was playing hurt and it was implied that we should discount his performance due to this injury. That is pure hogwash. If the guy is that hurt then Martin should have sat him out and played Weber. If Gorges insisted on playing in that state then he was selfish and not thinking of the team. Martin was irresponsible for letting him play. If it turns out that Gorges was not hurt then he deserves to be benched for that performance.

    (5) In AK’s absence I see where Boone trotted out his second favorite whipping boy and partially pinned the blame for this loss on Pouliot’s inability to convert Laps pass into a goal. I agree that Pouliot should have buried that pass but in no way is he even remotely responsible for this loss. Boone is clearly distracted by the presence of Pouliot and AK on this team. If he was an impartial reporter/columist/observer he would have pointed out that Moen, Gorges and numerous others were just as, if not more responsible for this loss. Moen committed at least three turnovers one of which resulted in Dallas’ third goal. How come only Pouliot and AK get signaled out by Boone for their play.

    (6) What is up with Boone? Here we have a guy in AK who is benched and not even playing yet Boone sees fit to call him out at least five times in his blog, QH and ALN. 

    (7) Turning to AK, I will not disagree that he is weak along the boards at times. his back-checking is inconsistent and he occasionally appears to lack interest. We are forever lamenting the fact the we drafted this guy. To rescue AK from this malaise our coach either assigns him to the 4th line duty or benches him. I see where some have used the definition of insanity to explain the effectiveness of Martin’s actions. Well Martin’s motivational strategies with respect to AK is another example of that famous insanity definition. Maybe just maybe this is how AK plays. We have seen example after example of Russian players being accused of floating. Kovy , Kovey2 , Semin, Zerdev, and Frolov are examples of Russian players who have been accused of floating. As i said maybe just maybe this is how they play. We seem to want to change the way these guy play to that of Saskatchewan farm boys. If the Habs want Saskatchewan farm boys them draft them and stay away from the Russians. We could use more Moens I guess


  22. justintime says:

    Subban scratched?  Never mind what this is doing to him (which is terrible), Spacek played AWFUL and has been playing like that for some time.  If you don’t reward merit, or punish the lack of of it, there will be big problems, Mr. Martin.

    You think the Pens or the Hawks won the Cup by playing guys based on seniority, never mind how they were playing?

  23. SeriousFan09 says:

    Ah the delicate flowers that are NHL players, bench them a couple times and they’ll collapse into a pit of depression that they can never escape from, their talent forever annihiliated by miserable head coachs who wish to destroy their lives and plunge the team into a losing season…


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  24. PrimeTime says:

    lol  Trying to have some fun today?


  25. Natrous says:

    Given your obvious bias against JM, do you really expect NJ to turn it around 180 degrees and start winning?

    Do you know who Tim Sestito is? Of course you do – he’s the #2 centre on the Devils. Lemaire is going to right this ship, because clearly coaching was the problem in Jersey.

  26. HabFanSince72 says:

    Now I get it. You haven’t been watching the games and your knowledge of AK46 comes entirely from his stats. That’s the only sensible explanation.

    AK46 hasn’t scored in 9 games and he is not trying.

    He constantly loses battles along the boards. Sometimes it results in goals or penalties.

    Against Colorado he was in the starting five, and he actually missed the opening puck drop. He must have been day dreaming or something.

    I’ve never seen that. A player not paying attention at the start of the game.

    As to why other people aren’t being benched, there are 20 players dressed and 2 in the press box usually. Coach needs to  pick 20 out of 22.




  27. avatar_58 says:

    It’s funny because there was zero adjustments made when they were outshot EVERY DAMN GAME. The same thing continued in Philly and he didn’t adjust. He had no idea how. The difference? Philly scored on their chances. We can blame their hot goalie all we like – he was an AHL’er and Martin didn’t adjust.

  28. Everlasting1 says:

    A division between coach and players is a lot more detrimental.


    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  29. GrimJim says:

    It’s JM’s Xmas gift to the HIO administrators, 1000 posts before game time…

  30. BJ says:

    Good points. Although as much as I liked Kovalev he did not have the consistency of the others. True enough that Subban has only been here 30 odd games, but my point is that he is not being well coached, it seems more like punishment and his dynamism should not be repressed. He has a learning curve but not by modifying his style. Hamrlik is a very good defenseman and a 1st overall pick and playing well, its fine that he has more points than Subban.

  31. avatar_58 says:

    What’s terrible is Martin can’t identify WHY they win, he just assumes “durr I benched this guy and it worked”. The wins when Subban was out had terrible powerplays. With him they could have been better. Oh but hey, since Picard, Hamrlik and Spacek weren’t turning it over like monsters it’s somehow Subban who’s the problem. Funny because when Subban ISN’T on the ice is it still his fault when they score?

  32. SeriousFan09 says:

    Great coach? Lemaire had a great hand in making the lockout happen with his sleep and nausea-inducing Trap system that had him in a committed campaign to drain the life out of the game.

    Lemaire can’t fix a sinking ship.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  33. avatar_58 says:

    Lesser teams? Carolina has always had the habs number.

  34. The Cat says:

    Signing Picard was a mistake from the beginning. I dont care for ‘insurance policies’. If someone goes down, bring up one of the younguns.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  35. Natrous says:

    LOL – that’s awesome, I love hyperbole!

  36. Propwash says:

    Oh yeah, I’m sure PK is absolutely destroyed by being scratched.


    Goalies in Montreal have two roles, netminder and scapegoat. 

  37. SPATS says:

    The coach has the biggest ego of them all. There must be a mutiny brewing

  38. shiram says:

    If being scratched screws up the player that much, they probably should not be in the nhl.
    That being said, i don’t think PK is screwed up.

  39. Chuck says:

    I’m guessing that the message was actually “Andrei, shape up or I will bench you.”

    The 2010 Montreal Canadians Christmas Card

  40. SPATS says:

    I find that incredibly hard to not believe


  41. SPATS says:

    Play your best against the best. Don’t err or you ride the pine against the lesser teams. No mercy no pity (unless you’re making over 4 mill)


  42. lenny says:

    Everybody sing along….

    This is the way you  F*** up the player  F*** up the player  F*** the player

    OOO This is the way you  F*** up the player , F*** up the player, F*** the player

    So early in his career……

  43. Chuck says:

    The difference is that with Gomez, the effort is always there. Lately, Andrei’s spent too much time floating, and that got his ass nailed to the bench for a game as a reminder that he’s expected to always skate hard.

    The 2010 Montreal Canadians Christmas Card

  44. Les-Habitants says:

    “Great” day for hockey: Lemaire is the NJ Devils coach again….

    You know what the scary thing is?  I think he could actually turn the devils around…man, i hate that team tho!

  45. BJ says:

    He just needs to have a defenseman behind him with one forward playing a bit deeper, more often than not he makes things happen on a rush. Our offense has not performed particularly well, I would open up the valve and let him go.

  46. thebigguy says:

    If Kotstitsyn laughed (which he didn’t), he wouldn’t deserve to play. Period.

  47. StevieRay says:

    more head games …. Looks like Benny /PK/ AK  are unfairly being singled out  for this mini slump

  48. thebigguy says:

    You’re right. Imagine the horrors, if WE WIN!!!! It’d be terrible?

  49. LA Loyalist says:

    What really happened: someone snuck a box of Count Chocula cereal into the dressing room, and JM is going to keep sitting people in the press box until he gets a confession.

    Luckily it’s not anything nefarious or worrisome. 

    Alternate theory: he got a phone call from NJ coach John Maclean, explaining how he sat Kovalchuk and that worked out great.

    Good thing we have such a smart coach.

  50. Les-Habitants says:

    I agree.  Reunite Gorges & Gill, put Weber/Spacek, Hammer/Subban.

    I think we need to separate the old Czechs.  We can’t have them as our top pairing, they aren’t going to last the whole season at this rate!  Try to even out all 3 pairings, and that way go through a ‘do it by committee’ system, with G&G being the so-called ‘first unit.’ 

  51. TripleX says:


    So the Habs are better without AK and PK in the lineup?

    So PK is benched because at the present time SIX players are above him on the depth chart according to JM?

    Picard, an injured Gorges, a tired Spacek and Gill are ALL superior to PK and make the Habs a better team?  Huh?????

    BS!  AK and PK were, and are benched for punishment because of a personal dislike and favoritism by the present coach.


    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  52. thebigguy says:

    Put up with what? A trip to the ECF, leading our division for the entire season thus far? It astounds me the level of criticism Martin gets. Look at our roster, now look at our place in the standings. Skillwise, we don’t have much difference between Carolina. That’s coaching.


    Losing streaks happen, it’s not the end of the world. Honestly, this is the best coach we’ve had since Demers.

  53. Everlasting1 says:

    Enlighten us.


    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  54. Chris says:

    On his good nights, Alex Kovalev brought more dynamic, exciting play to Montreal than I’ve yet seen from Subban.  For that matter, pre-injury Koivu was a joy to behold as well, facilitating the trade of Pierre Turgeon as the team thought he was clearly ready to be the next big offensive weapon for the team until a pair of knee injuries really slowed him. 

    Thus far, Subban represents a lot of potential and hype, but not necessarily a lot of results.  Time will tell if he belongs in the rarified air of Lafleur, Naslund and Roy, the most beloved players of their respective eras.  The kid will be a good player, but lets hold off on the grandiose comparisons…he was being outscored by 36 year old Roman Hamrlik before the benching controversies.  He’s got a learning curve ahead of him.

  55. Say Ash says:

    Oh, man. What if we win tonight? Subban sits again? And again?

  56. HardHabits says:

    I’d like to see Martin be a healthy scratch for a game or two. I read that Pearn and Muller are responsible for having this team on the winning track and supposedly Martin tried to regrab the reins, beginning with the PK benching, and it’s been a downward spiral ever since. Rumour is that the team is united, against Martin. At least there’s no division in the locker room.

  57. avatar_58 says:

    No, not really – because it was supposed to be a team message. As in “shape up or I will bench you”. The team then proceeded to have a terrible game. After which AK46 is back and a 4th liner may be sitting – not a top liner. So what was the message again? Martin may bench you for a game randomly regardless of whether it was your fault?

    I’m sorry but if he wants to send messages he needs to be consistent. When’s the last time Lapierre made a decent play? Why are the vet defenceman, which are having a massive amount of bad giveaways, never benched?

  58. wd40 says:

    Personally I’d take a little less excitement and a little more solid defensive play.  As much as I enjoy watching PK, he’s had WAY too many brain farts of late.   That being said, I’m not sure sitting the guy is going to accomplish much.

  59. krob1000 says:

    aha!!! I figured it out guys…lay off JM…he is just sitting PK to send Gorges a message about last game….genius really, genius…for a second I thought he was a madman.

  60. munch17 says:

    I really don’t understand why they would keep Picard in the line-up.

    If he would sit they could move Spacek back to his natural left side where he is more effective.

    So lefty Spacek would be an upgrade over right Spacek and Subban would be at least the same if not better than Picard.

  61. avatar_58 says:

    I’m really annoyed at how long we have to put up with this. Who decided to give Martin that long contract? Should have been 2 years at most. As is he would literally have to tank next year to even be considered for firing. Ugh.

  62. HabFanSince72 says:

    What message was that exactly?

    You honestly don’t understand what message was being sent to Andrei? Or why it was done?




  63. avatar_58 says:

    That has little to do with it, as benching AK46 proved. He benched AK46, but left Gomez in time and time again after games where he could barely even cross the blueline without a turn over. His benching habits seem to be random at best

  64. BJ says:

    • From Bleacher Report the headline reads: “Canadiens: Kostitsyn Expected to Return — Coach Unhappy With Team’s Performance” it should perhaps read: “Team unhappy with coaches performance”.
  65. Everlasting1 says:

    Eller should sit too then, if not sent down.


    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  66. TripleX says:

    How about this?  Let us watch the Devils over the next 15 games and see what a difference a great coach can have on a team.  If the Devils don’t improve dramatically then JM IS a genius.




    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  67. BJ says:

    Yep! Our great player development continues, now its PK. Have we had a more dynamic, exciting player since Guy Lafleur in PK? Maybe Mats Naslund, Patrick Roy? I don’t know if its just me but I’m tired of the management’s lack of intelligence in both player selection and development.

  68. Chuck says:

    Subban is a blue chip prospect. They’ll bring him along in a way that they feel will make PK as good of a player as he can be for the long term with the team. And if that means sitting, watching and learning, then that’s what they’ll do.

    No disrespect intended toward him, but Picard is a journeyman spare part. He plays now to help Subban be a better player in the future, both short and long-term.

    The 2010 Montreal Canadians Christmas Card

  69. avatar_58 says:

    What message was that exactly? That they can’t score without him? AK46 got to watch the team throw the game, with several players unable to even shoot at the net properly. If anything he probably laughed.

    Martin doesnt’ seem to know how to make adjustments. All he knows is randomly line changes until a game is won. Once they win he doesn’t touch a THING. Even if they have powerplay issues or allow to many shots – he leaves it alone because it’s a “winning team”. Then they lose the next game and it’s scramble time – who cares what worked just hit “shuffle’ and hope it works. If it does, stick for another game.

    He’s beginning to look like an idiot rookie coach and I don’t know about you, but I’m losing my patience

  70. thebigguy says:

    Interesting that out of our top 10 scorers, 3 of them have now been healthy scratches.

    We need greater consistency 🙁

  71. HabFanSince72 says:

    Why do you say he’s being punished? There are 7 defencemen and only 6 can play. The benching of AK46 was clearly a message, but I don’t think this is. My view is the coach is just trying to find the best lineup.



  72. Habsone says:

    JM you are a lost boy!!!

  73. Propwash says:

    So, those of you crying to fire JM, well now John McLean is looking for a job. Perhaps Bruce Boudreau? They have NHL experience……..


    Goalies in Montreal have two roles, netminder and scapegoat. 

  74. Everlasting1 says:

    Where are you, Subby-Doo?? OOVEEERRRR HEEERREE !!!



    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  75. avatar_58 says:

    Really? So Picard still plays despite his glaring mistakes too? Gorges too, given he’s obviously having difficulties?

    Mhm. It’s funny how Subban is punished for his mistakes but Picard isn’t.

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