AK46, Weber return; Subban, Pouliot scratched

PRE-GAME AUDIO: Jacques Martin | Andrei Kostitsyn | Scott Gomez | Josh Gorges | Paul Maurice | Eric Staal | Jeff Skinner

Canadiens forward Andrei Kostitsyn and defenceman Yannick Weber return to active duty tonight against the Carolina Hurricanes, having been healthy scratches Tuesday in the Habs’ loss to the Dallas Stars.

P.K. Subban and Benoit Pouliot will watch the game from the pressbox.

Lars Eller, who took AK46’s place with Tomas Plekanec and Michael Cammalleri, will centre Tom Pyatt and Travis Moen tonight.

The Scott Gomez line, hot of late, remains intact.

Jeff Halpern will centre Maxim Lapierre and Mathieu Darche.

Carey Price gets the start in goal.


  1. LA Loyalist says:

    NHL players have been through a hell of a lot just to get to the NHL, they have mental toughness.

    However hockey at the expert level is muscle memory, trained instinct, trained reflexes – a fine example is that goal Cammy scored from his knee to his stick in the playoffs last year. If Cammy thinks, even for a micro-second, it doesn’t work.

    JM is doing something that is keeping many of the players from “flowing” and making them self-conscious when they should just be playing. Yes you can teach what you want them to do in certain tactical situations, if these guys weren’t coachable they wouldn’t be here.

    What is JM doing? Whatever it is, it obviously is not working, so why keep doing it? Power trip? Ego? Marking his territory? A good coach adjusts to his players – Pat Burns: 3 totally different teams, 3 coach of the year awards. 

    Martin is treating the players like horses, trying to break them to his mold. That’s the problem in a nutshell.


  2. ed lopaz says:

    its about building and developing a young person’s confidence – no matter what they do for a living.

  3. Natrous says:

    And we’ve finally reached the crux (and inherit flaw) of your logic: you are thinking of this as a fan, and not a coach. JM doesn’t give a crap what PK’s individual numbers look like, he cares about winning hockey games.

    If PK is playing so-so and giving up prime scoring chances to the opposition – more than any other defenceman on the team – he’s going to get scratched. It’s a learning process, not expected to be learned overnight. He’s a rookie, and those mistakes are expected, but if he’s not applying what he’s learning from Pearn, Muller and JM in practice, he needs time to watch the team and learn.

  4. The Cat says:

    Absolutely perfect rebuttal.


    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  5. krob1000 says:

    but it’ll be entertaining and we’ll all learn a few new words

  6. ed lopaz says:

     Loyalist, agree 100%!!!

    unfortunately, we are in the minority here.

    but keep up the great posts. I’m enjoying them.

    Oh, by the way, when Robinson called to offer his services, the HABS DID NOT EVEN RETURN HIS CALL – according to Robinson’s agent.



  7. shiram says:

    Worst analogy ever. How can you compare a team sport with wirtting and reporting skills? I get what you’re trying to say, but it makes no sense.

  8. HardHabits says:

    Yes and no. I don’t hold much weight in rumours. The Habs are a tight ship. Nevertheless even a duck’s arse under water can let a fart slip through so I will also take a grain of salt with my innuendo.


    What’s REALLY going on with the Canadiens!? – December 22, 2010

    Bear in mind that it’s Habs Talk Radio, so it’s speklundation at the Internet’s finest.

  9. madcap_habsfan says:

    Are you blind? P.K. has not being playing any better then the rest of them for the last few games, He’ll get his mojo back and hopefully he’ll learn something or be pissed enough to prove JM wrong and get back to his awesome style of play he had going at the start of the season


    -“People have to really suffer before they can risk doing what they love.” Chuck Palahniuk

  10. ed lopaz says:

    You are a few years older than PK. Right?

    Imagine the Gazette hires you full time to take over Boones job.

    You feel like you are doing well, and they let you write more and more.

    In fact, even compared to Hickey and Stubbs, your articles are being published more often.

    Then, your writing slipps a bit – your confidence is a little shaken.

    After all its your first season writing for The Gazette sports.

    Stu Cowan comes into your office and tell you to take a break.

    Your work is not needed for tonight, and for the rest of the week.

    You walk out of Cowan’s office shaking your head. He’s the boss.

    But when you return to the office and start writing again, your mojo is gone, your confidence is shot, you stink!!

    Cowan comes in, its time to take another break, Serious Fan. 

    We don’t need you again, and we think the paper/internet site is better off without you for now.

    Are you a “delicate flower” because you’re upset by Cowan’s decision??

    Its easy for you sitting in your apartment – expecting PK to take the benching in stride!!

    I’ve brought up 3 hockey players – and I can tell you – its never easy  and we,re not “delicate flowers”.

    PK looks absolutely lost since the last benching.

    He is playing like a guy who needs to be sent back to Hamilton.

    Explain that.

    His confidence is obviously shaken. He does not know what to do with the puck.

    His instincts are all wrong all of a sudden. And he’s being asked to change his game for the first time in his life.

    Watch the old Junior Canada games on ESPN Classic, or last years highlites from Hamilton.

    This is not PK!!

    You call that a “delicate flower”??

    Go ahead.

  11. avatar_58 says:

    So hey, lets bench him again! Should REALLY help his numbers right? What are Picards numbers again? Gorges last game? Spacek/Hamrlik?

  12. Natrous says:

    Even if there’s only one ‘youngun’ to bring up (Weber)? I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but Alex Henry isn’t an NHL-caliber defenceman. That’s called leaving it a little thin if you ask me.

  13. HabFanSince72 says:

    It ain’t gonna be pretty.

  14. Natrous says:

    So lemme get this straight: Subban gets scratched, team wins but PP sucks. Subban comes back into the fold, team loses and PP is awesome? I didn’t notice the PP during this losing streak, so I’ll have to take your word on it.

    Take a look at the numbers since PK’s 3 game hiatus, he’s got 2 points, -6 over 6 games. Obviously he’s not lighting up the PP, but he has been contributing towards lighting the lamp behind Carey.

    I love this site for it’s information content, but the comments section leaves little to be desired. Case in point: Bench PK, and comments are “we’re killing his confidence” or “we need him on the PP cause we can’t score”. Play PK (if December’s rate continues he’ll be -40 by season’s end) and it’ll be “JM/PG rushed PK into the NHL”. We saw it with CP31 over the past three seasons, and it never ends…

  15. thebigguy says:

    I look at the skill, or lack thereof on this team. Let’s be honest, there are plenty of teams that have a far superior top 6 forwards. We don’t have a legitimate shut down defenceman yet we continue to do well. The only places where we seem to be superior is goaltending, and yes, coaching. Look at the adjustments that have been made to repair our powerplay. We used to be a terrible PK team, that’s not the case anymore.

  16. rwparent says:

    everybody makes mistakes every game – some less glaring than others but the big problem with this team is the inconsistent EFFORT by most

    the only guys that show up every night and every shift are Eller, Hammer, Gionta and Pleks AND SUBBAN – most everyone else take shifts or even nights off –  coasting and hoping Price will steal one is not a good recipe for success

    outworking the opposition (like in the playoffs last year) seem to work

    they have not been doing that

    scapegoats are for losers – this is a winning team…stop dumping it on the kid

    get Jacques a coffee – he needs to wake up a bit 

    …saw a T-Shirt at the mall that said ” Tell your mom to pick up the kids at the rink – they are beating the Leafs 3-1″


  17. Malreg says:

    Did Bugs see this yet? Did I miss it???

  18. LA Loyalist says:

    My Christmas wish from the Molsons.

    8:59 am – Fire PG, replace him with Youpi as acting GM. It’s not like we have anyone tradeable that we wish to trade, or any cap room, so why do we need a GM for the next few months?

    9:00 am – fire JM, or promote him, or lock him in his hotel room.

    9:01 am – press conference: Kirk Muller coach, Larry Robinson Defense Coach

    then we can all relax and drink egg nog with maybe something extra in it. Merry Christmas to all.

  19. TripleX says:

    I realize he is no JM SF09.  But Good Lord man, who is?

    Still a Stanley Cup and TWO Jack Adams Trophies are not too shabby.  So you are condemming Lemaire for coming up with a coaching strategy that maximized the advantages of having a great defense and Brodeur?  Ok?



    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  20. avatar_58 says:

    So who is benched tonight of the top 6? I mean save for maybe Gomez they ALL played like crap. Gionta couldn’t shoot to save his life, Cammalleri was invisble, Plekanec didn’t help at all and Eller didn’t belong there.

  21. mjames says:

    I had the good fortune of watching our Dallas effort the other night. Over the past day I have had the opportunity to read some of the posts and  columns regarding our performance . I will say that I was relieved to read that Jacques saw some real positive things in the Dallas game. I feel so much better knowing that goals are secondary to sound play “without” the puck. 

    Below are some of my observations on the game, the team and the analysis put forth by the experts.

    (1) It appeared to me that Dallas was toying with the Habs during most of the game. In this game shots on goal was a totally misleading and irrelevant statistic. One is kidding oneself if one takes comfort in the fact that the Habs limited Dallas scoring chances. It appeared to me from watching the game that Dallas could have done anything it wanted to do. We were that outclassed. Either Martin is just plain lying or he is a bigger incompetent than I thought if he took some positives from this game.

    (2) The benching of AK46 confirmed one thing in my opinion. AK’s passing creates the chances for the Pleks line. I have nothing against the effort put forth by Cammy, Eller and Pleks but the guy who makes that line go is AK and his passing.  I am not talking about his effort without the puck i am talking when he has the puck. I would say more than 90% of his passes are tape to tape.  Someone should ask Cammy and Pleks what AK’s contribution to this line is.

    (3) Gomez must have one heck of contract. I think the contract must absolve him from back-checking responsibility. Unlike Eller, Pleks and others, Gomez is never down low in our end trying to check. The only time I see him in our end is when circles to pick up the puck and begin one of his patented rushes to “nowhere”. Sure he got an assist but so did AK in his last game. It is obvious that Gomez is an untouchable on the team.

    (4) Who was that #26 on our team. He looked like one of the Dmen from our Tier 3 men’s hockey league. That was the worst display of hockey that I have ever seen on a professional level. It was pointed out in the various posts and columns that Gorges was playing hurt and it was implied that we should discount his performance due to this injury. That is pure hogwash. If the guy is that hurt then Martin should have sat him out and played Weber. If Gorges insisted on playing in that state then he was selfish and not thinking of the team. Martin was irresponsible for letting him play. If it turns out that Gorges was not hurt then he deserves to be benched for that performance.

    (5) In AK’s absence I see where Boone trotted out his second favorite whipping boy and partially pinned the blame for this loss on Pouliot’s inability to convert Laps pass into a goal. I agree that Pouliot should have buried that pass but in no way is he even remotely responsible for this loss. Boone is clearly distracted by the presence of Pouliot and AK on this team. If he was an impartial reporter/columist/observer he would have pointed out that Moen, Gorges and numerous others were just as, if not more responsible for this loss. Moen committed at least three turnovers one of which resulted in Dallas’ third goal. How come only Pouliot and AK get signaled out by Boone for their play.

    (6) What is up with Boone? Here we have a guy in AK who is benched and not even playing yet Boone sees fit to call him out at least five times in his blog, QH and ALN. 

    (7) Turning to AK, I will not disagree that he is weak along the boards at times. his back-checking is inconsistent and he occasionally appears to lack interest. We are forever lamenting the fact the we drafted this guy. To rescue AK from this malaise our coach either assigns him to the 4th line duty or benches him. I see where some have used the definition of insanity to explain the effectiveness of Martin’s actions. Well Martin’s motivational strategies with respect to AK is another example of that famous insanity definition. Maybe just maybe this is how AK plays. We have seen example after example of Russian players being accused of floating. Kovy , Kovey2 , Semin, Zerdev, and Frolov are examples of Russian players who have been accused of floating. As i said maybe just maybe this is how they play. We seem to want to change the way these guy play to that of Saskatchewan farm boys. If the Habs want Saskatchewan farm boys them draft them and stay away from the Russians. We could use more Moens I guess


  22. justintime says:

    Subban scratched?  Never mind what this is doing to him (which is terrible), Spacek played AWFUL and has been playing like that for some time.  If you don’t reward merit, or punish the lack of of it, there will be big problems, Mr. Martin.

    You think the Pens or the Hawks won the Cup by playing guys based on seniority, never mind how they were playing?

  23. SeriousFan09 says:

    Ah the delicate flowers that are NHL players, bench them a couple times and they’ll collapse into a pit of depression that they can never escape from, their talent forever annihiliated by miserable head coachs who wish to destroy their lives and plunge the team into a losing season…


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  24. PrimeTime says:

    lol  Trying to have some fun today?


  25. Natrous says:

    Given your obvious bias against JM, do you really expect NJ to turn it around 180 degrees and start winning?

    Do you know who Tim Sestito is? Of course you do – he’s the #2 centre on the Devils. Lemaire is going to right this ship, because clearly coaching was the problem in Jersey.

  26. HabFanSince72 says:

    Now I get it. You haven’t been watching the games and your knowledge of AK46 comes entirely from his stats. That’s the only sensible explanation.

    AK46 hasn’t scored in 9 games and he is not trying.

    He constantly loses battles along the boards. Sometimes it results in goals or penalties.

    Against Colorado he was in the starting five, and he actually missed the opening puck drop. He must have been day dreaming or something.

    I’ve never seen that. A player not paying attention at the start of the game.

    As to why other people aren’t being benched, there are 20 players dressed and 2 in the press box usually. Coach needs to  pick 20 out of 22.




  27. avatar_58 says:

    It’s funny because there was zero adjustments made when they were outshot EVERY DAMN GAME. The same thing continued in Philly and he didn’t adjust. He had no idea how. The difference? Philly scored on their chances. We can blame their hot goalie all we like – he was an AHL’er and Martin didn’t adjust.

  28. Everlasting1 says:

    A division between coach and players is a lot more detrimental.


    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  29. GrimJim says:

    It’s JM’s Xmas gift to the HIO administrators, 1000 posts before game time…

  30. BJ says:

    Good points. Although as much as I liked Kovalev he did not have the consistency of the others. True enough that Subban has only been here 30 odd games, but my point is that he is not being well coached, it seems more like punishment and his dynamism should not be repressed. He has a learning curve but not by modifying his style. Hamrlik is a very good defenseman and a 1st overall pick and playing well, its fine that he has more points than Subban.

  31. avatar_58 says:

    What’s terrible is Martin can’t identify WHY they win, he just assumes “durr I benched this guy and it worked”. The wins when Subban was out had terrible powerplays. With him they could have been better. Oh but hey, since Picard, Hamrlik and Spacek weren’t turning it over like monsters it’s somehow Subban who’s the problem. Funny because when Subban ISN’T on the ice is it still his fault when they score?

  32. SeriousFan09 says:

    Great coach? Lemaire had a great hand in making the lockout happen with his sleep and nausea-inducing Trap system that had him in a committed campaign to drain the life out of the game.

    Lemaire can’t fix a sinking ship.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  33. avatar_58 says:

    Lesser teams? Carolina has always had the habs number.

  34. The Cat says:

    Signing Picard was a mistake from the beginning. I dont care for ‘insurance policies’. If someone goes down, bring up one of the younguns.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  35. Natrous says:

    LOL – that’s awesome, I love hyperbole!

  36. Propwash says:

    Oh yeah, I’m sure PK is absolutely destroyed by being scratched.


    Goalies in Montreal have two roles, netminder and scapegoat. 

  37. SPATS says:

    The coach has the biggest ego of them all. There must be a mutiny brewing

  38. shiram says:

    If being scratched screws up the player that much, they probably should not be in the nhl.
    That being said, i don’t think PK is screwed up.

  39. Chuck says:

    I’m guessing that the message was actually “Andrei, shape up or I will bench you.”

    The 2010 Montreal Canadians Christmas Card

  40. SPATS says:

    I find that incredibly hard to not believe


  41. SPATS says:

    Play your best against the best. Don’t err or you ride the pine against the lesser teams. No mercy no pity (unless you’re making over 4 mill)


  42. lenny says:

    Everybody sing along….

    This is the way you  F*** up the player  F*** up the player  F*** the player

    OOO This is the way you  F*** up the player , F*** up the player, F*** the player

    So early in his career……

  43. Chuck says:

    The difference is that with Gomez, the effort is always there. Lately, Andrei’s spent too much time floating, and that got his ass nailed to the bench for a game as a reminder that he’s expected to always skate hard.

    The 2010 Montreal Canadians Christmas Card

  44. Les-Habitants says:

    “Great” day for hockey: Lemaire is the NJ Devils coach again….

    You know what the scary thing is?  I think he could actually turn the devils around…man, i hate that team tho!

  45. BJ says:

    He just needs to have a defenseman behind him with one forward playing a bit deeper, more often than not he makes things happen on a rush. Our offense has not performed particularly well, I would open up the valve and let him go.

  46. thebigguy says:

    If Kotstitsyn laughed (which he didn’t), he wouldn’t deserve to play. Period.

  47. StevieRay says:

    more head games …. Looks like Benny /PK/ AK  are unfairly being singled out  for this mini slump

  48. thebigguy says:

    You’re right. Imagine the horrors, if WE WIN!!!! It’d be terrible?

  49. LA Loyalist says:

    What really happened: someone snuck a box of Count Chocula cereal into the dressing room, and JM is going to keep sitting people in the press box until he gets a confession.

    Luckily it’s not anything nefarious or worrisome. 

    Alternate theory: he got a phone call from NJ coach John Maclean, explaining how he sat Kovalchuk and that worked out great.

    Good thing we have such a smart coach.

  50. Les-Habitants says:

    I agree.  Reunite Gorges & Gill, put Weber/Spacek, Hammer/Subban.

    I think we need to separate the old Czechs.  We can’t have them as our top pairing, they aren’t going to last the whole season at this rate!  Try to even out all 3 pairings, and that way go through a ‘do it by committee’ system, with G&G being the so-called ‘first unit.’ 

  51. TripleX says:


    So the Habs are better without AK and PK in the lineup?

    So PK is benched because at the present time SIX players are above him on the depth chart according to JM?

    Picard, an injured Gorges, a tired Spacek and Gill are ALL superior to PK and make the Habs a better team?  Huh?????

    BS!  AK and PK were, and are benched for punishment because of a personal dislike and favoritism by the present coach.


    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  52. thebigguy says:

    Put up with what? A trip to the ECF, leading our division for the entire season thus far? It astounds me the level of criticism Martin gets. Look at our roster, now look at our place in the standings. Skillwise, we don’t have much difference between Carolina. That’s coaching.


    Losing streaks happen, it’s not the end of the world. Honestly, this is the best coach we’ve had since Demers.

  53. Everlasting1 says:

    Enlighten us.


    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  54. Chris says:

    On his good nights, Alex Kovalev brought more dynamic, exciting play to Montreal than I’ve yet seen from Subban.  For that matter, pre-injury Koivu was a joy to behold as well, facilitating the trade of Pierre Turgeon as the team thought he was clearly ready to be the next big offensive weapon for the team until a pair of knee injuries really slowed him. 

    Thus far, Subban represents a lot of potential and hype, but not necessarily a lot of results.  Time will tell if he belongs in the rarified air of Lafleur, Naslund and Roy, the most beloved players of their respective eras.  The kid will be a good player, but lets hold off on the grandiose comparisons…he was being outscored by 36 year old Roman Hamrlik before the benching controversies.  He’s got a learning curve ahead of him.

  55. Say Ash says:

    Oh, man. What if we win tonight? Subban sits again? And again?

  56. HardHabits says:

    I’d like to see Martin be a healthy scratch for a game or two. I read that Pearn and Muller are responsible for having this team on the winning track and supposedly Martin tried to regrab the reins, beginning with the PK benching, and it’s been a downward spiral ever since. Rumour is that the team is united, against Martin. At least there’s no division in the locker room.

  57. avatar_58 says:

    No, not really – because it was supposed to be a team message. As in “shape up or I will bench you”. The team then proceeded to have a terrible game. After which AK46 is back and a 4th liner may be sitting – not a top liner. So what was the message again? Martin may bench you for a game randomly regardless of whether it was your fault?

    I’m sorry but if he wants to send messages he needs to be consistent. When’s the last time Lapierre made a decent play? Why are the vet defenceman, which are having a massive amount of bad giveaways, never benched?

  58. wd40 says:

    Personally I’d take a little less excitement and a little more solid defensive play.  As much as I enjoy watching PK, he’s had WAY too many brain farts of late.   That being said, I’m not sure sitting the guy is going to accomplish much.

  59. krob1000 says:

    aha!!! I figured it out guys…lay off JM…he is just sitting PK to send Gorges a message about last game….genius really, genius…for a second I thought he was a madman.

  60. munch17 says:

    I really don’t understand why they would keep Picard in the line-up.

    If he would sit they could move Spacek back to his natural left side where he is more effective.

    So lefty Spacek would be an upgrade over right Spacek and Subban would be at least the same if not better than Picard.

  61. avatar_58 says:

    I’m really annoyed at how long we have to put up with this. Who decided to give Martin that long contract? Should have been 2 years at most. As is he would literally have to tank next year to even be considered for firing. Ugh.

  62. HabFanSince72 says:

    What message was that exactly?

    You honestly don’t understand what message was being sent to Andrei? Or why it was done?




  63. avatar_58 says:

    That has little to do with it, as benching AK46 proved. He benched AK46, but left Gomez in time and time again after games where he could barely even cross the blueline without a turn over. His benching habits seem to be random at best

  64. BJ says:

    • From Bleacher Report the headline reads: “Canadiens: Kostitsyn Expected to Return — Coach Unhappy With Team’s Performance” it should perhaps read: “Team unhappy with coaches performance”.
  65. Everlasting1 says:

    Eller should sit too then, if not sent down.


    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  66. TripleX says:

    How about this?  Let us watch the Devils over the next 15 games and see what a difference a great coach can have on a team.  If the Devils don’t improve dramatically then JM IS a genius.




    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  67. BJ says:

    Yep! Our great player development continues, now its PK. Have we had a more dynamic, exciting player since Guy Lafleur in PK? Maybe Mats Naslund, Patrick Roy? I don’t know if its just me but I’m tired of the management’s lack of intelligence in both player selection and development.

  68. Chuck says:

    Subban is a blue chip prospect. They’ll bring him along in a way that they feel will make PK as good of a player as he can be for the long term with the team. And if that means sitting, watching and learning, then that’s what they’ll do.

    No disrespect intended toward him, but Picard is a journeyman spare part. He plays now to help Subban be a better player in the future, both short and long-term.

    The 2010 Montreal Canadians Christmas Card

  69. avatar_58 says:

    What message was that exactly? That they can’t score without him? AK46 got to watch the team throw the game, with several players unable to even shoot at the net properly. If anything he probably laughed.

    Martin doesnt’ seem to know how to make adjustments. All he knows is randomly line changes until a game is won. Once they win he doesn’t touch a THING. Even if they have powerplay issues or allow to many shots – he leaves it alone because it’s a “winning team”. Then they lose the next game and it’s scramble time – who cares what worked just hit “shuffle’ and hope it works. If it does, stick for another game.

    He’s beginning to look like an idiot rookie coach and I don’t know about you, but I’m losing my patience

  70. thebigguy says:

    Interesting that out of our top 10 scorers, 3 of them have now been healthy scratches.

    We need greater consistency :(

  71. HabFanSince72 says:

    Why do you say he’s being punished? There are 7 defencemen and only 6 can play. The benching of AK46 was clearly a message, but I don’t think this is. My view is the coach is just trying to find the best lineup.



  72. Habsone says:

    JM you are a lost boy!!!

  73. Propwash says:

    So, those of you crying to fire JM, well now John McLean is looking for a job. Perhaps Bruce Boudreau? They have NHL experience……..


    Goalies in Montreal have two roles, netminder and scapegoat. 

  74. Everlasting1 says:

    Where are you, Subby-Doo?? OOVEEERRRR HEEERREE !!!



    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  75. avatar_58 says:

    Really? So Picard still plays despite his glaring mistakes too? Gorges too, given he’s obviously having difficulties?

    Mhm. It’s funny how Subban is punished for his mistakes but Picard isn’t.

  76. JohnBellyful says:

    See what happens when you do an interview with a newspaper from your native country. Amazing how things work out.

  77. JohnBellyful says:

    Audio from this morning’s skates: Swish? Swish?

  78. avatar_58 says:

    What do you mean? Isn’t Cammalleri benched? How about Gill and Gorges? Also Price hasn’t scored in ages.

    Can’t win a game unless you bench some key players. I suggest Plekanec.

  79. Graves says:

    I wish they’d throw Weber a bone and sub him in for Picard. Picard was signed to be a seventh defenseman, so I don’t see the harm in having him sit for a game or two, and Weber was quite good in the few games he played. Having Subban and Weber man the points on the power play might just spark the offense, and if Subban can notch a few points, it could go a long way toward bringing him out of his current funk.

  80. BrianSkrudland says:

    I’m at a loss over Weber continuing to be a scratch, as well. I don’t see any harm in giving another Dman a view from the press box for one night (at least).


    Weber played rather solid in his limited duty this year. It seems to be worth a shot.

  81. Chuck says:

    What would get Subban out of his funk would be to quit manufacturing scoring opportunities for the opposition.

    The 2010 Montreal Canadians Christmas Card

  82. sidhu says:

    Weber is just wasting away in the press box.  Either play him here or let him get minutes in Hamilton.

    I’m amazed that Benny isn’t sitting — he was floating on that break with Max. If he was paying attention he would have had a lay-up.

  83. TripleX says:

    Don’t worry JM ( the Jack Adam Trophy winner according to some ) will eventually make the logical coaching moves.  It just takes a few losses for him to put reason before his own stubbornness.

    But if he continues to play PK with Picard then the man has completely lost it.  That can only mean his desire to beat down PK takes precedence even over winning.

    AK’s only mistake early in the season was to play TOO WELL.  That snide remark about AK playing excellent hockey because of it being a contract year, should have let us know the lack of respect he has for the man.

    ps  since I posted this it might be PK sitting instead of Picard???  need I say more??









    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  84. Propwash says:

    In the case of Pouliot, *swish swish THUD*


    Goalies in Montreal have two roles, netminder and scapegoat. 

  85. Say Ash says:

    “Damn you, blue line!”

  86. krob1000 says:

    Tomas Kaberle still has zero penalty minutes after 33 games??? holy crap…how does one accomplish that exactly in a body checking league as a defenseman?

  87. Say Ash says:

    Who’s his dance partner?

  88. Chris says:

    Kaberle plays a European brand of defence, relying on positioning more than anything else.  0 PIM is pretty hard to believe even for Kaberle, but he’s never been a guy that draws many penalties, drawing more than 30 PIM only once during his 11+ NHL seasons.

    Nicklas Lidstrom is another guy who historically did not take a lot of penalties despite playing a ton of minutes in every situation imaginable. 

    Another guy like that was Eric Desjardins, who played the positional brand of defence that former Habs defence coach Jacques Laperriere espoused.  As somebody who will take positional defence any day over the “bangers” that make the spectacular hit but are often out of position, I would still love to see what Desjardins could given a few years to work with a defence corps in the NHL.  He always strikes me as being a guy that could really teach the game well.

  89. Jordio-oh says:

    What’s more surprising is that Kaberle has more hits than Victor Hedman (who still has managed 34 pims) and only 3 less hits than Duncan Keith.

  90. BrianSkrudland says:

    There’ll soon be some dandy comments on HIO regarding Subban being a scratch. Let the fun begin!

  91. HabFanSince72 says:

    As I implied earlier, I’d love to come on here and wonder why Subban is being scratched rather than Picard (who’s not playing well either) or Gorges (who’s apparently injured). But I can’t because it would only be encouraging the loons.


  92. adam76 says:

    The win % is much higher with PK out of the lineup.  We need points.

  93. Propwash says:

    You talk like you personally know JM and what he’s thinking.


    Goalies in Montreal have two roles, netminder and scapegoat. 

  94. HabFanSince72 says:

    need I say more??

    You need to say less.


  95. TripleX says:

    I did not realize it was necessary to know someone personally, to have an opinion on what might motivate their actions.  I have an opinion, not any professional or factual information on JM.

    Historians have opinions on historical events and people without personal knowledge.   HIO is 90% opinions.

  96. Propwash says:

    It’s better to state an informed opinion. I reeeeally don’t think JM is out to ruin Subban or any other player on the roster.


    Goalies in Montreal have two roles, netminder and scapegoat. 

  97. TripleX says:

    I get the feeling your definition of “informed”, is one that follows your own viewpoints.

    You just stated an opinion on JM.  Was it based on personal knowledge?  Was it more “informed” than mine?



    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  98. Propwash says:

    No, it’s a logical opinion. Coaches aren’t out to “ruin” players, they’re out to win games. Pretty simple eh?

    PK isn’t playing well recently, so that is detrimental to the team, therefore he sits.


    Goalies in Montreal have two roles, netminder and scapegoat. 

  99. thebigguy says:

    Perhaps, it’s certainly more logically sound, considering the complete lack of evidence for your assumption, to assume that Jacques Martin is trying to ruin Subban.

  100. HabFanSince72 says:

    One never knows, of course, but I’d say it’s a fair bet JM is not out to destroy PK Subban.



  101. TripleX says:

    Then it would be logical to assume the coach applies this rule of ” if your play is detrimental to the team you sit”  universally to EVERY PLAYER?

    If it does not apply to all players, either your opinion is not logical, OR JM has OTHER reasons for benching certain players.



    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  102. Somethingwithhabsinit says:

    Out of curiousity, what is the logic behind JM wanting to ruin PK? Logically, what is his motivation behind that? Jealousy? It’s jealousy, isn’t it? JM is so jealous of PK, he just has to sit him. Or is it part of a more sinister plan to take over the world? Whatever it is, it’s perfectly clear that JM wants to ruin PK at the expense of winning games because he is an evil, jealous hater.

    Logically speaking, that is.

  103. TripleX says:


    When did I ever say that JM’s coaching decisions had any basis in logic or reason?

    That is my POINT!

    I think JM suffers from the all too common “small man” syndrome.  You see it all levels of life and in particular sports.



    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  104. Propwash says:

    PK is a rookie, rookies sit all the time, especially if they’re playing badly. Its very very rare to see a coach bench a core player, even if a core player is playing bad.

  105. madcap_habsfan says:

    I agree, as much as I enjoy Subban, let’s not forget he’s still a rookie in his first full year, JM is certainly not out to ruin him. I believe he’s trying to figure out how to get us back to our winning ways and while some of the veterans on the team aren’t playing great either at the moment,it’s unfortunately(or not in some cases)  the rookies who get to watch from the pressbox



    -“People have to really suffer before they can risk doing what they love.” Chuck Palahniuk

  106. Somethingwithhabsinit says:

    So it’s jealousy then. Jut as I suspected. Thanks for clearing it up. That guy is sooooooooooooooooooooooo jealous!

  107. krob1000 says:

    all i hear everytime I read a JM decision is the “pop goes the weasel song” and I see visions of JM jumping out of a music box laughing sinisterly

  108. king ddd says:

    unf*ing belivable, why cant picard be scratched if anything hes been just as bad as subban.


  109. krob1000 says:

    If anyone knows of anyone qualified I am sure there is a market for “coaching coaches” in Montreal …any washed up coaches out there looking to supplement a retirement income????

  110. Graves says:

    True enough, but I really think that if Subban’s offensive game picked up, his defensive game would follow suit. At the beginning of the year, he was playing with confidence and taking chances on offense that paid dividends. More importantly, when those risks didn’t pay off, he was getting back in the play and covering up for his mistakes. Now he’s doing neither. I guess what I’m trying to say is that he’s billed as a puck-moving, offensive defenseman, so let him be that guy. The confidence he plays with when he’s on his offensive game translates to good defense as well.

    Apparently he’s scratched tonight anyway, so this is all a moot point.

  111. TripleX says:

    I could be wrong, but I assume you are in agreement that some of the recent moves by JM are at the very least questionable.

    But to question JM is akin to becoming a “loon”?

    Talk about sitting on the fence!




    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  112. TripleX says:

    So PK is the main reason for the current slump?  You must be a graduate of the JM School of Coaching 101.



    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  113. krob1000 says:

    not even an interference, a delay of game, an accidental trip….it is pretty hard to not get even a crap call against you , maybe an undeserved one? I  am convinced it was part of Kaberle’s contract…he had a no penalty clause inserted into his last year and NHL Toronto was happy to oblige of course.

  114. SmartDog says:

    What JM needs is some perfect players that never f-k up.  Then he’ll be happy. 

    Because we need LESS of Subban.  LESS hitting.  Less creative play in the O-zone.  LESS puck control on Power Plays.  LESS of players taking the puck all the way from one freaking end to the other for gosh sakes.


  115. Natrous says:

    You forgot LESS rookie mistakes.

  116. oshawahabsfan says:

    Wow those linemates are going to be helpful for Eller…

  117. rwparent says:

    Eller is a workhorse and seems to shake everything off – a good fit for Montreal madness so why don’t they give him the minutes he deserves? ONLY Jacques knows!

  118. SPATS says:

    Keep picking on the same guys and hope for a different result. What about sitting Lappy? What about Picard? They haven’t been playing untouchable hockey either. JM is afraid of the base. Antichambre rules. AK, PK, Pouliot. We must not be having trouble scoring to rotate these guys in the pressbox eh? JM wants to win the shots on goal battle only. I was his biggest supporter up until recently. He’s totally out to lunch. Throw him a waffle and get him eating breakfast again.  

  119. habguy says:

    notice how Picard, Lapierre never get scratched.

  120. avatar_58 says:


    Funny he’s not on the top 6. Why isn’t another top 6 scratched? I’m beginning to wonder wtf Martin is smoking because I can’t make sense of it. Pouliot has worked hard even in their losses, trying to break the top 6. Eller, for some god forsaken reason, was tried on the wing instead of the natural winger. Huh. So I guess Pyatt is going to take up the slack and score some goals right? I mean he’s taking Pouliot’s spot right?

    Every single pre game thread has me scratching my head, and I can’t be the only one.

  121. MTLForever says:

    not understanding pouliot or subban when picard was terrible compared to subban and pouliot has played some good hockey. 

  122. SeriousFan09 says:

    Some stats for you guys:

    Player A:

    2005-2006: 81GP 9G, 12A

    2006-2007: 82GP 2G, 29A

    2007-2008: 82GP 12G, 20A

    Player B:

    97-98: 25GP, 0G, 1A

    98-99: 59GP, 2G, 6A

    99-00: 65GP, 2G, 9A

    Player C:

    98-99: 22GP, 3G, 5A

    99-00: 13GP, 0G, 3A

    00-01: 69GP, 4G, 18A

    Player D:

    06-07: 7GP, 2G, 0A

    07-08: 63GP, 6G, 11A

    08-09: 74GP: 10G, 24A

    Who are these guys? Duncan Keith, Zdeno Chara, Dan Boyle and Kris Letang

    I hear they’re doing okay these days, despite not being All-Star Defencemen in their 1st year.

    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  123. ed lopaz says:

    how many times were these guys healthy scratches so a guy like Picard could play ahead of them???

  124. TripleX says:

    How many had JM as a coach when they were rookies?

    Your argument is really stretching it.



    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  125. TripleX says:

    How many had JM as a coach when they were rookies?

    Your argument is really stretching it.



    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  126. light_n_tasty says:

    I agree.  Scratching Picard won’t hurt his development at all.  So why is JM so scared to do it?

  127. kmk says:

    I think Price needs a rest. I think he’s proven he’s #1.

    As far as Subban goes, he’s gonna be fine! This kid will not be adversely effected by these healthy scratches.

    It’s obvious the team is in a funk and the coach is trying to fix. Not to say I think his tinkering is going to do much anyway! They just have to ride this out and hopefully not drop out of sight in the standings.

    GO HABS!!



  128. MTLForever says:

    give price the rest sunday, check the sched.

  129. shiram says:

    I can’t say that I like Subban on the bench again, i think scratching Picard would be better, and also to make sure to keep Subban’s ice time under 20 minutes, also pairing him up with a vet like Gill or Gorges

  130. Everlasting1 says:

    Everyone is noting Picard, Gorges, Spacek, PK for poor D lately..and Hamr? He was -3 in Dallas.


    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  131. thebigguy says:

    Pouliot getting scratched tonight kind of poopoos your point.

  132. SPATS says:

    No it does not. He’s been scratched before, the others have not. Plus he’s from Ontario. Not Pure Laine. Quebecois have a joke about franco ontarians. Goes along the lines of, Dad before we were quebecois, what were we? On – ta – rien (we were nothing)


  133. thebigguy says:

    Pouliot is one of the most popular players on the team. He consistently does the ever important french media interviews. The same folk that look at language first get pissed when Pouliot is scratched.

    Both Pouliot and Kotstitsyn have a tendency to coast on talent alone. That’s why they get scratched.

  134. Everlasting1 says:

    Wow, now it’s Pouliot lol JM should be thankful the team is not bogged down with injuries to have this much flexibility for tinkering.



    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  135. Chris says:

    You know that the NHL regular season is too long when the highlight of a week is waiting for Bugs’ inevitable reaction to another Pouliot benching.

    I know these games count for just as much as the ones at the end of the season, but man…this time of the year is just boring.  We need shorter seasons and more rivalry games to keep this interesting…let’s go back to the unbalanced schedule.

    Actually…let’s go back to the Smythe, Norris, Patrick and Adams divisions, and let’s see the teams in each division play each other 8 times a year.  Let’s have more back-to-back games against the same team to help make the players just a bit more surly.  The Habs had one back-to-back on the schedule this season, and it was back in October against the freaking Islanders.  Thanks, NHL…that’s the team I want to see the Habs play back-to-back.  Who didn’t want to see the Flyers and the Habs play a second game right away after Richards chirped off-ice about Subban’s on-ice chirping?!

    Anywyas, back to my mid-season hibernation while I wait for Bugs.  You better make this one even more entertaining than usual Bugs!

  136. Chuck says:

    Speaking about the benefit of back-to-back games, I posted this in October on the subject of NHL scheduling:



    The 2010 Montreal Canadians Christmas Card

  137. oshawahabsfan says:

    Seeing how entertaining the game vs. Detroit was, I propose the Original Six Division. I know the numbers don’t work, but imagine how good the hockey would be!

  138. oshawahabsfan says:

    Seeing how entertaining the game vs. Detroit was, I propose the Original Six Division. I know the numbers don’t work, but imagine how good the hockey would be!

  139. oshawahabsfan says:

    Seeing how entertaining the game vs. Detroit was, I propose the Original Six Division. I know the numbers don’t work, but imagine how could the hockey would be!

  140. oshawahabsfan says:

    Seeing how entertaining the game vs. Detroit was, I propose the Original Six Division. I know the numbers don’t work, but imagine how good the hockey would be!

  141. Hobie Hansen says:


    Fire the coach and general manager! The lines should stay
    the same for all 82 games and every shift. PK Subban should play 35mins a game
    and be allowed to act like an idiot and play poorly when he wants. JM should come
    on HIO and check with us before submitting his lineup! Who cares that he
    coached the team into the semi-finals for the first time in almost 20 years!!!
    Fire everyone!!!

  142. MTLForever says:

    This is getting pathetic. Pouliot and Subban should not be scratched. PICARD SHOULD BE SITTING! He scored a goal but played like garbage otherwise. Stop sitting Subban, unbelievable. Pouliot? No, he has played well and we have seen his snipe of a shot. Martin stop sending “messages” and win a flippin game.

  143. notbigbird says:

    And … the process of turning a talented, creative player into an automon continues.

    If JM drives us nuts, just imagine what the players must be thinking.


  144. joshua94k says:

    “Tis the season of Giving” Coach Jacques Martin is in avery generous mood, giving the opposition a better chanced to win. What kind of coach leaves a lot of talent on the bench. PK Subban was not on ice for any of the goals against Dallas. Why is he continually being singled out ? The next time he plays he will be more tentative, afraid to make a mistake. he will just chip the puck out instead of creating some offensive chances. He is by far the best offensively of the defencemen we have. His play against the Bruins the last game is what we need.

    Last game Hamrlik was -3 and logged 24 minutes, he was clearly tired and outworked. Martin said the Canadiens lost because of some mistakes they made. If a player is logging a lot of ice time, he will be tired and mistakes may happen. If a player is playing hurt as Gorges is supposedly playing with an undisclosed injury, mistakes may happen. Gorges was-1 for the night. Perhaps one of these can rest a bit. The team is on a long road trip.

    Is Martin going to send a message every game by sitting out a top player. Kostitsyn sat out, the Canadiens lost. If they lose tonight, who is going to sit out the next game? Are the players responding to Martin or is he losing control of the team. Thus far his mix and match approach has left many players not playing to their potential. Even their best player this year, Plekanec has struggled the past few games. He was -2 against the stars.

    Gorges, Plekanec and Price have struggled the past few games. They were the most consistent players this season. Is sending a message to them going to help the team? Can he sit them out? 

    “It’s too much for one guy to shoulder. For us, we’re going to do it as a group. It’s about sharing that responsibility win or lose.” – Mike Cammalleri

  145. MTLForever says:

    and picard has? give me a break. after last game it should be picard not subban and the world knows it.

  146. weightman25 says:

    man i can’t believe how many of you guys are gettin your balls in a knot over a 21 year old defeseman getting scratched you guys act like he is some super hero here to save the day, he hasn’t played well enough to stay out of the press box

  147. weightman25 says:

    man i can’t believe how many of you guys are gettin your balls in a knot over a 21 year old defeseman getting scratched you guys act like he is some super hero here to save the day, he hasn’t played well enough to stay out of the press box

  148. HabsFanNorway says:

    Just wanna wish all Habs fans and the staff of HIO a merry xmas and a happy new year. 2010 has been the best year since 93. Can’t wait for 2011 to begin. Love this team.


  149. shiram says:

    Merry holidays to all!

  150. Nahlsy says:

    For what it’s worth, I agree. PK’s made some rookie mistakes and is a bit too careless in his own end so needs his chances to sit in the press box. That’s what rookies do, they play a few sit in the box for a few, play a few, sit for a few, it happens. Stamkos played every other game for most of his first year and he’s turning out just fine.

    PK’s not a finished product, he’s a work in progress that needs to be groomed. He needs to figure out the difference between the NHL and the OHL and what he can and can’t do in this league and get away with it, just like any other rookie does. They won several games the last time he was a scratch and they’ve lost several since his return, with him making a couple of significant bone headed plays that have helped directly cause those losses. I figured it was rather obvious that he’d get a seat in the press box for a couple of games again after some of those needless risks wound up in the back of his net. Don’t see what the uproar’s about personally.

  151. Max_a_million says:

    Thanks and Merry Christmas to you.

    I agree wholeheartedly about loving this team.

  152. 24 Cups says:

    Not sure if this has been posted, but there is some real hockey news this afternoon.  John MacLean has been fired and replaced with…..

  153. Storm Man says:

    Lord Martin brings the christmas cheer to the people here on HIO. If anyone on here can see if you can trade PK and POO-POO to Calgary for Iggy on Xbox360 and see if that works???? I have a feeling this is how Lord Martin makes his lineups each day by playing Xbox.  

  154. shiram says:

    That made so much sense, and it’s refreshing to read on this website today…

  155. Max_a_million says:

    I wish Josh Gorges would get a rest to heal up.  He hasn’t been himself lately.  I think they should give him some time off. 

  156. SeriousFan09 says:

    Jacques Lemaire! Because you know, the organizational mess that is the Devils was Maclean’s fault. Lou should have done the honorable thing and quit, he has not given that team any semblance of a future, hell they’re handcuffed to sign Zach Parise, their best player.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  157. Max_a_million says:

    Finally the top two lines are in place.  Now we just need Pouliot, Eller, and Darche back on the 3rd/4th line … 

    Let’s see that leaves Moen, Halpern, Lapierre … that’ll work.

  158. Max_a_million says:

    Question of the day:

    Seeing as how it is Christmas season, and we are all anxiously awaiting St. Nick …

    What one player do you think the Canadiens will pick up with the Markov injury exception?


  159. TripleX says:

    I LOVE Gorges for his heart and work ethic and I wanted him for captain.  But in what universe did PK play WORSE last game than Gorges?

    Some of you don’t seem to get it.  It is NOT the benching we are inflamed about but rather WHY it is always the same players whether justified or not.



    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  160. TripleX says:

    Some GM is going to get a great talent after JM gets PK traded.

    First O’Byrne and SK and who is next?  With that LONG contract JM has plenty of time.



    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  161. mike g says:

    So PK is benched but Picard (Mr. “I’m slower than molases”) is still playing,……?

    Ok, I get it.

    No wait, I don’t..

    Ah, why am I even trying.


    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

     I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  162. MTLForever says:

    id rather have PhD line

  163. MTLForever says:

    I wish I understood…

  164. Storm Man says:

    At this point, One player is not going to turn this ship around. Lord Martin is showing his power by sending the same player to the press box for reasons only he knows. Plus the fact I don’t see any young player wanting to come here so he can sit in a press box. 

  165. MTLForever says:

    playing better than picard. sit the guy, he has been garbage

  166. MTLForever says:

    uproar is that picard is playing and subban isn’t, did you see that last game or no? were you one to turn it off? i watched it all…picard should be in the press box.

  167. Propwash says:

    Yup, severe case of JM SUCKS tourettes going on today, lol.


    Goalies in Montreal have two roles, netminder and scapegoat. 

  168. Storm Man says:

    Mike don’t waste time trying to think what Lord Martin is doing. I look forward to Christmas and New Years and hope that the Molsons take a good look at what is wrong with this team and does something about it. At this rate it could be a very short 2011 season.

  169. LA Loyalist says:

    Think or wish? Retired or Active? Living or Dead? You mean other than MAB?

    Sorry to make life complicated.

  170. terrygain says:

    Finally the top two lines are in place. 

    Don’t get carried away. They are only starting the game. 

    Did anyone notice how those Maple Leaf fans are such sheep? They support management no matter what. It’s no wonder they haven’t won in 43 years.

  171. thebigguy says:

    They’re not only reasons he knows. They’re fairly apparent, to be honest.

    Kotsitsyn and Pouliot have a tendency to coast on their talent. Subban’s immense talent has hurt his hockey sense. It allows him to quickly cover up his mistakes. He still has a lot to learn. He’ll get there

  172. Everlasting1 says:

    That ain’t happening much to top rookies on other teams around the league, but it’s a reoccuring theme in Mtl. For instance, Alex Pietrangelo is a year younger than PK..also his first full season, and the Blues wouldn’t think about sitting him. Past rookies David Perron, Patrik Berglund..same treatment. Mtl. just has a different approach re development.


    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  173. Storm Man says:

    Picard is french, Lord Martin wont sit him. Oh POO-POO is french but he is not a Quebec star, Picard is in Lord Martins eyes. 

  174. LA Loyalist says:

    Not only may PK get traded,

    a) we will get someone small and soft for him whose name no one will remember in a year, and b) he will play for years like Chelios, Rod Langway… and win a couple of Norris trophies…

    JM needs to see the ghosts of Christmas future…

  175. drivefor25 says:

    Picard has two points in his last three games….Subban none. That might explain JM’s thinking on this one…


    Fan since ’71

  176. Max_a_million says:

    A real live active player, that might be available. 

  177. avatar_58 says:

    Maybe he should try not sucking?

  178. LA Loyalist says:

    JM, like Mr. Magoo in the Dickens tale, needs to see the ghosts of Christmas future… habs without Markov or PK, habs missing the playoffs, habs with Scott Gomez still here…

    oh my g*d…

  179. terrygain says:

    Your comment is garbage. 

  180. DrewCareyPriceIsRight says:

    wait, wait, wait…he’s a “Lord” now?  Last I checked he was merely a Count.  When did he get that promotion and who knew the Habs had signed on such royalty to lead this team.  We should feel honored! :)

  181. Max_a_million says:

    No quarrel with that either

  182. TommyB says:

    I doubt Lamoriello had that much to do with the mess organizationally in NJ.  At least as far as the signing of Kovalchuk goes.  Looks to me like ownership meddling.  Maclean was doomed from the start.  That’s unfortunate.  It’s really no surprise that Lemaire would come in to try to help out Lou with this mess.  I’m sure the two of them have a lot of respect and loyalty toward one another.  Same can be said for Robinson.  Seems to me the only guys who can properly coach the Devils are dynasty-era exHabs.  At least the organization is taking some steps to try to regain some respectability, unlike the mess in Toronto.  Jacques Lemaire hockey might be of the non-exciting type, but he is usually quite successful.  I know if I’m a player, I’m going to work my butt off and not get on the wrong side of Lemaire.  His icy stare and demeaning scowl would send shivers down my spine.  The new-coach country club in Jersey is over starting today.  We’ll see some improvement immediately, but as you say, the organization is in a mess and it will take a lot longer to turn the entire ship around.

  183. Storm Man says:

    This is a honest statement, Most of the team coast on their talent. I don’t know how a player can learn if he is in the press box looking good on tv. Maybe pair him up with someone else would be a better move.

  184. avatar_58 says:

    I guess Martin just checks the stats sheet and ignores what happens on the ice. No wonder he looks so bored and disinterested, he’s not even paying attention.

  185. mjames says:

    I have a few observations/questions on the lineup.

    Who played worse in the Dallas?

    Gorges or Subban

    Pouliot or Moen.

    Gorges play was atrocious. He looked like a semi pro. If he is hurt then sit . He is  being selfish. 

    Moen had at least three turnovers , one of which led to Dallas’s third goal. 




  186. avatar_58 says:

    Don’t be ridiculous, that line was scoring. Can’t have that.

  187. SeriousFan09 says:

    Since you’re going to school, I’m betting you have a dictionary sitting around somewhere. Look up ‘overreact’ please.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  188. Max_a_million says:

    Gorges and Pouliot

    Better to make errors through effort, than not to try.  Pouliot was asleep. 

    Gorges was uncharaceteristically terrible.  I don’t think it’s selfish, especially for a guy who has had to work so hard to get the nhl.  Just instincts.  It’s the coach, trainers, and staff that need to bench a hurt player. 

  189. Everlasting1 says:



    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  190. Storm Man says:

    We should be very honored to have a coach like Lord Martin( I gave him the title btw) Lord Martin is the best coach we have had in 20 year he took this team to the ECF look how many wins as a coach he has mind you he was never on the ice :). I say we all should take a minute out of our day and say thanks for having Lord Martin be this teams coach.

  191. TripleX says:

    According to the “experts” on HIO ONLY rookies have to be PERFECT.  How JM expects to achieve this miracle only they know.

    That does not explain why AK and Pouliot also fall under this rule.

    Just like O’Byrne last season, on JM’s team some players have to be more PERFECT than others.  Wouldn’t you love to play for this guy?




    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  192. LA Loyalist says:

    I think JM has everyone too afraid to make mistakes they are not able to stay in the zone and just play the game. Hockey at this level is all muscle memory and years of learning to react quickly.

    Remember that great quote from Ovechkin about shooting on Tim Thomas? “I don’t know what I’m going to do, and Thomas doesn’t know what he’s going to do.”

    Like the zen master Yogi Berra. That’s JM’s problem and thus our problem. 

  193. avatar_58 says:

    Get out of here with your facts.

  194. TripleX says:

    Now we know what JM writes in that stupid little book.

    He should get a job with Santa taking note of who has been naughty or nice.



    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  195. avatar_58 says:

    Picard is a finished product? If so I suggest we get the reciept ready

  196. SeriousFan09 says:

    Look at the cap management though, post-lockout, Lou has signed a number of bad deals to the point where they buried players in the minors and have guys like Rolston at 5 million a season. I think Lemaire is a stand-in and they’ll go on a longer coaching survery in the summer, he said he was retired, I doubt he wants to hang around too long on a sinking ship. Their D and goaltending future is weak right now, which were the hallmarks of the Lemaire system in NJ, a HOF defence group and a top goaltender.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  197. Max_a_million says:

    I have a question:

    Wasn’t Redden much better under JM then he ever was after?

    Not trying to prove a point or anything either way.  Someone was talking about Chara below, and I was just wondering. 

  198. Mark C says:

    Don’t know what games you’re watching, but Gomez is helping this team a whole lot more than Subban is.

    By no means do I think Subban should be sitting while Picard is still in the line-up.


  199. Everlasting1 says:



    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  200. Somethingwithhabsinit says:

    That’s some nice selective analysis there. What about T.J. Oshie? Or one of the many other rookie benchings that I can’t be bothered to look up? Did St. Louis call Martin for advice, or was their approach re development somehow at fault? Or, as a third alternative, did they make decisions for each player based on their performance? Pietrangelo has 17 points, leading their defense and tied for fourth on the team. Perhaps that may be part of the reason why he isn’t being benched.

    EDIT: Just to confirm, I think that benching PK and Pouliot is the wrong move. I also thought it was wrong to bench AK. But, if you’re going to do a comparison, at least do a fair one, and not pick and choose examples.

  201. DrewCareyPriceIsRight says:

    I think I may have found the answer…I bet you JM went on this site and bought his title(s)! http://www.regaltitles.com/

    For as little as $200, I can refer to myself as Baron DCPIR!  That is a steal and the perfect Xmas gift if anyone was wondering what they should get me 😉

  202. mrhabby says:

    With all the character in the dressing room team should be able to get out of the funk sooner than later..

    Subban looking nervous..wish someone would pull him aside and calm him down.

    3-2 habs tonight.

  203. light_n_tasty says:

    Aren’t Pouliot and Martin from the same town?

  204. TripleX says:

    I actually rarely have need for either dictionary or thesaurus.  Must be an “idiot savant”. :)

    No need for the petulance SF09.




    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  205. Bugs says:

    How can this oppobrious treatment towards my boy be allowed to continue? What EXACTLY is the coach lookin for out’ve a 1st-line attacker playing 5mins of dump’n’chase hockey on the 4th line every night? What’s the CRITERIA for success in that instance? What is Eller doing that makes him that more effective? Workin hard? Workin hard to produce less; THAT’S the gameplan over here?

    I mean, this is an absolute outrage. 4th overall pick, man! What the HELL? Let’s break it down, shall we: K Senior stopped puttin it in when he was separated from Plecky, verifiable, he sits, not doin his job as top-line scorer; Soobie, colossal mistake after colossal mistake one after the other since being perhaps-unwarrantably benched, still verifiable, he sits, not doin his job as top-end defender.

    But my boy, why is he sitting? For not doing his “job” as a gritty dump’n’chase’n’keep down low 4th liner? What the HELL? What next, put the Priceberg 3rd line centre and bench’m for not winning enough face-offs? What the HELL, man?! We take away my boy’s tools to succeed and now, we’re all shocked he ain’t succeeding.

    Yeah, it’s a friggin MYSTERY, man!

    Unquestionably unquestionable, I think I’m

    L. Bugs Potter, esq., Herzog of ze Abominable Habsuchtig Brigade, Markgraf of ze Fearsome Flanell Flausen Flank, und devoted minion of ze Habsbros Order: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  206. LA Loyalist says:

    More specifically, perfect without the puck. Forgive my ignorance, but isn’t the object to GET THE PUCK????

  207. LA Loyalist says:

    intangibles alert! Posts about intangibles pending!!!

  208. Habscat says:

    I hate when we lose. I become very angry inside (well not really, but I loathe leaf fans who dont let me hear the end of it), and think of the days when we had those mid-late 80’s teams. As much as I want to win, I would trade a MONTH of losing, to get JM out as coach. I said it when we signed the speedsters and placed him as coach. Dinosaur coaches are gone, young minds and philosophies are in.


    http://stores.ebay.com/Gushue-Sports-Cards  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRMFshp16J8

  209. JD_ says:

    Jesus H. Christ in a wetsuit! Someone has stolen PK’s illudium Q36 explosive space modulator!

    I’m hearin’ the kid’s on suicide watch and was forced to skate without laces at mornin’ practice. Can’t be too careful, ya know, given the circumstances.

    Poor bastich is effin’ washed up at 21. It’s over. It is so effin’ over. Done. Finito. Was fun while it lasted but, frankly, it’s best we just forget about him and move on. Nothin’ to see here.

    In other news, Ron Wilson reacts to the recent waves of thunderin’ boos at the ACC, “That’s just something that doesn’t come from a lot of people, but it always sounds loud.”

    Given I’m fairly certain Antti Niemi’s agent Bill Zito is not Wilson’s speechwriter, and that Wilson really believes that, I’d like to offer up a competin’ theory: It always sounds loud because it’s comin’ from a lot of people.

    MacLean out and, as predicted, Lemaire in. Gotta feel a bit for MacLean. An honorable soldier thrust into a situation where a ton of experience should have been a prerequisite. This is all on Vanderbeek and Lamoriello. The owner for forcin’ Lou’s hand on Kovy II and Lou for not only the unprofessional manner in which he aired his objections but also for puttin’ MacLean in.

    And, readin’ between the lines, Marty wants out.

    At least here in Montreal, GMs don’t put inexperienced coaches behind the bench and watch as the HOF goaltender begs off.

    On to the Cants! Off with their heads!

  210. RJ says:

    What is indisputable is that this team does not know how to handle/nurture young players. And the worse part of all is they allowed the best person to do that — Guy Boucher — to leave the organization. He should have been made an assistant coach and Muller coaches Hamilton. Not only have they let promising players go, they let a promising coach go too. And one who knows how to work with young players.

    “My face is my mask,” Gump Worsley

  211. light_n_tasty says:

    I think Redden’s career took a turn for the worse when he started getting into crack…

  212. HabFanSince72 says:

    See everybody (yes, avatar58, tripleX, LA_loyalist I’m talking mostly to you) THIS is how you rant about a coaching decision. It’s funny, informed, borders on the insane. This is what I’m talking about.



  213. SeriousFan09 says:

    Petulance? Good word use, if we were defining your behaviour towards posting around here when the management does something you disagree with.

    Subban being traded out of here because of the evil actions of JM, that’s a completely rational observation 30-odd games into a season.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  214. thebigguy says:

    That’s not the point.
    Over the next 10 games. Who do you expect to consistently help us win more.

    Gorges or Subban


    Pouliot or Moen.

  215. mjames says:

    I would like to win tonight but I think we get spanked again.



  216. DrewCareyPriceIsRight says:

    What took so long? People were worried. :)

  217. Pieboy says:

    As I recall, some of the Habs with their numbers now hanging in the rafters sat out long stretches in their rookie years until they became better defensively. You do not sit a veteran with heart like Gorges after one subpar game. Subban is an absolute gem as a player (what a skater!) and person, and looking forward to him working out the kinks and a long career with the CH.  Habs are obviously in a funk, but remember that its a long season.

    Happy holidays all!

  218. thebigguy says:

    He is the best coach we’ve had since Demers. While that’s not 20 years, it’s awfully close. Massive improvements to our penalty kill, good adjustments to fix our powerplay and we’ve led our division for the entire season.

  219. patience is a virtue says:

    The team is in a slump.  Happens to every good team at least once a
    season.  Hopefully they’ll pull out of it and provide some entertaining
    holiday cheer.

    Sitting is not going to ruin Subban.  While I agree with Tom and
    others that many NHLers, like a lot of cultural superstars, have fragile
    egos (esp when young), PK is gonna have to suck up a little pressbox
    self-reflection before he tosses any more eggos around the rink (thereby
    creating syrupy-sweet scoring chances for the wrong team).

    others have mentioned, Picard has two points in the last three games. 
    Hard to sit him now.  And Gorges?  I assume he would have to indicate
    he’s too injured to play before he’d be sat (unless he repeats Tuesday’s
    performance a few games in a row).

    The defense is struggling a
    bit, so it’s crucial to test Weber again.  There is no doubt a lot of
    backroom wheeling and dealing is going on right now and they have to
    decide what to prioritize – a top six winger or a top four defenceman. 
    They have the money to spend and spend it they will – I don’t think B&G wait till the
    deadline.  But it’s a HUGE choice, and Max Pac and Weber are the
    lynchpins.  PK’s role and future on the team are not in question –
    Weber, on the otherhand, may become trade bait.

    All that said,
    I wholeheartedly agree with Bugs – why sit Pouliot on the same night as PK?  That I do not get. 

    I have a lot of respect for what Bob, the Goat, and
    the Count have done, but sometimes I don’t follow.  But that’s why I’m
    writing a comment on a blog and they run the show for hockey’s all time greatest team. 

  220. thebigguy says:

    Your logic is flawed. Why would Guy Boucher stay with the Habs as an assistant when he had multiple offers to actually coach?


    Moreover, we’ve done a pretty good job developing players. Price, Plekanec, Gorges are and will be the foundation for years to come.

    The only player we really messed up on is Mike Ribeiro, but good riddance.

  221. LA Loyalist says:

    I’m not borderline insane yet…, but this team may drive me to it, though possiby I’m close enough to walk.

    :) Merry Christmas to you Mr. ’72. May Santa right the ship tonight!

  222. ctony says:

    It’s win-win for the Devils.  Right the ship and maybe they can make a late run for a playoff spot.  Continue down this miserable path and they have a good chance at the first overall pick.  I think the Lemaire will have them play a little better which could make the east a little more challenging. 

  223. avatar_58 says:

    My humour bone de-activates when I’m irritated. My apologies, but I prefer to simply slam Martin for being an idiot rather than be funny. As far as I’m concerned he has no clue in this season. Yes he got us into the ECF. Thanks Jacaues! However frankly he’s been nothing but a roulette machine spinner this season, randomly choosing lines and combos.

  224. Favorite Son says:

    Geez, it’s the same posts over and over again in here when the team starts losing. Martin’s system works. The only flaw is that it requires players to work hard.

  225. mbplekfan says:

    PK had a good career. Won junior gold, played some in the AHL.

    Had a brief stint with the big club, but its over now. He will always be remembered for that thunderous hit on Merchand.

    He initially showed promise but after a 25 game tryout JM washed him out.

  226. SeriousFan09 says:

    You know what would really help the Habs win tonight? Tape to tape passes. For such a skilled team, our guys are way off the mark too often on that and you can see a night is going to go bad when they just can’t find each other.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  227. GrimJim says:

    You’re also not funny, informed nor looked forward to…

  228. Everlasting1 says:

    What about OShie? Being sent down in his first few seasons is not benching. I can’t be bothered looking up all rookies throughout the league either, but this practice of scolding instead of INSTRUCTING the players is a poor approach.

    Maybe Pietrangelo is well instructed/coached, and allowed to play to his strengths,abilities, and not afraid of making mistakes?


     “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  229. ed lopaz says:

    Mark, then you must be a troll, like me and the others.

    We also see that Picard is ready to clear waivers.

    Troll!! :-))

  230. avatar_58 says:

    It feels like they have to scramble to get it out of the zone that’s why. They aren’t making the short tape to tape passes, instead just throwing it out of the zone hoping a forward is near. I must have seen a dozen giveaways occur right on the blue line.

    Then they got it into the zone and dump/chased, losing the race. If Gomez was the center he’d attempt a “kovalev” then lose the puck.

  231. HabFanSince72 says:

    You keep posting the same thing over and over. Martin’s clueless.

    We all wish the team would play better.


  232. Everlasting1 says:

    Maybe their hands are shaking.


    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  233. A. Berke says:

    I guess Spacek and Picard have joined the club of untouchables too.

    Sheesh! I frickin give up.

    Ali B.

  234. HabFanSince72 says:

    Merry Xmas to you too.

  235. Favorite Son says:

    They need to hit the net and stop missing so many opportunities to score. 

  236. SeriousFan09 says:

    That’s the other problem, a bad lack of finish around the net but lately it just seems the game is going the wrong wayy as they just won’t complete their passes or get too casual around the puck.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  237. Somethingwithhabsinit says:

    I have no doubt that he is well instructed/coached. I also have no doubts that he was rated the #1 prospect in the NHL coming into this season, and that his success is no surprise. I also did some more research and Perron WAS benched in his rookie season, so there goes your supreme development strategy. All teams bench rookies from time to time. In this case, PK is not playing as well as he could, and I can see how a coach might think it would be to his benefit to sit for a game. In this case, however, with our other options at D, I think it is a mistake.

  238. petrov14 says:

    I’ve found that if in the 1st 10 mins of the game if the passes are tape to tape, we will win or it will be a good game. If in those 1st 10, we cant hit a man with a pass we WILL lose.

    Im not sure if its us or the opposition making us force bad passes.

    ______________________________________ Long live Captain Gionta.

  239. BrianSkrudland says:

    That’s awful! Damn funny, though. Santa likely just put you on the naughty list for that comment.

  240. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    I think it has more to do with the fact that the guys who can finish are sitting in the press box…

  241. SeriousFan09 says:

    Sometimes they are, but again, the Habs have an issue with starting flat and then take forever to catch up, but don’t have what it takes to really turn it around as they don’t have Markov to settle down the defence and control the game.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  242. 25 cups says:

    Opprobrious – adjective – outrageously disgraceful or shameful.
    Thanks bugs

  243. Storm Man says:

    C’MON man get with the program. Lord Martin is a way better coach, Demers is not in the same league as Lord Martin, The team was in the ECF last year and this year Lord Martin has the biggest surprise for us ever. Hell we don’t need some up and coming all-star named PK and sure don’t need more POO-POO and can give away AK46 for a bag of pucks. Im telling you Lord Martin is going to rock the hockey world with his moves the rest of this season .

  244. observer says:

    “The team is in a slump.  Happens to every good team”   ——  happens to many mediocre teams as well and this isn’t the first one this season for the habs and its only about halfway through.

  245. LA Loyalist says:

    I wish we had RED jerseys, then it would be easier… oh never mind…

  246. LA Loyalist says:

    we’re 1 and 6 in our last 7. If that’s Martin’s system “working” I’d hate to see it not working.

  247. Mark C says:

    Yes, but P.K.’s play, to me, has been uneven for some time now, this pre-dates the benching. From a production standpoint, P.K. had more points (6) in 11 Oct. games then he has in the 20 games since (5). Right now, I think P.K. is barely ahead of Picard. I understand that things are hard for P.K. and that Martin is making it more difficult. But P.K. is making this easier for Martin with his poor play; P.K. has to take it upon himself to play better. Martin isn’t the one leaving his feet in the o-zone with a 1-goal lead and less than 7 minutes on the clock, Martin isn’t the one always taking a huge windup, and making dangerous passes.

    Mike Del Zotto just got benched by a Cup winning coach; young players from time to time ride the pine. This is all part of the process. But at the end of the day, this is about P.K. improving and finding a game that suits him and is effective at the NHL level, and not about blame a coach for benching a minus 7 player this month.  


  248. LA Loyalist says:

    Actually he’ll have a long glorious career — elsewhere, like Chelios and Rod Langway. Sigh…

  249. HardHabits says:

    They need to not get scored on 1st to have a chance to win. Sadly that’s where they’re at right now in the exuding confidence category.

  250. LA Loyalist says:

    Are you my wife posting as GrimJim? Sweetie, you promised to stop…. (Merry Christmas to you Messr. Grim)



    “To failing hands we’ve passed the torch.”

  251. Everlasting1 says:

     Link please.



    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  252. JD_ says:

    From what I’ve read around here, PK was clearly never cut out for the big leagues. One of those types who just falls to pieces whenever the coach benches him because, ya know, rookies never sit out games. Ever.

    All brash on the outside, but a wiltin’, fragile little thing on the inside. He was finished before he started. Woulda happened anywhere with any coach.

    I mean, I’m not in the dressin’ room and don’t have a clue what’s goin’ on, but that doesn’t mean I don’t know exactly what’s goin’ on. The NHL is about pointin’ fingers and blamin’ and scapegoatin’ and shamin’ and infightin’ and tamin’ and donner and blixen.

    Know what I mean?

    I wish PK good luck with his future pursuits.

  253. phillyhab says:

    1) we didn’t develop Gorges

    2) Ryder, Grabovski, Latendresse, D’Agostini, S Kostitsyn, O’Byrne

  254. GrimJim says:

    I take it back you are funny.

    Merry Christmas Mr. Loyalist

  255. GrimJim says:

    Repost from below: I take it back. You are funny…

  256. patience is a virtue says:

    Hmmmm?  When was the other one?  By my count, this is the first time we have lost more than two in a row, and the last and ONLY other time that happened was Oct 30 + Nov 2.  In fact, there is nothing slumpy nor mediocre about the Habs this season (prior to the past 6 games).

    Have a little patience :)

  257. Somethingwithhabsinit says:



    EDIT: Pre-emptively, I realize that this is just a game log. If you look carefully, he missed several games throughout the season, some of them by injury, one because he missed a flight. There are also games here and there, where he is not in the line-up with no injury reported. I’m putting this in now, as I am on my way out the door.

    As a side note, I do appreciate the please. Courtesy is what we should all be about.

    Thank you.

  258. Natrous says:

    Funny bone aside, the word you should focus on is ‘informed’. It’s one thing to disagree with the coach’s decision, but for the love of eggnog, give us some reason to go with yer itchin-b.

  259. HabFanSince72 says:

    2) Ryder, Grabovski, Latendresse, D’Agostini, S Kostitsyn, O’Byrne

    Is this a reply to question #2: name a bunch of ex-Habs who suck?

  260. Mark C says:

    Ryder hasn’t been better since he left.

    Grabovski skipped a flight during the season because he didn’t like his ice time.

    D’Agostini since his hot start has 3 goals and 7 points in his last 24 games.

    O’Byrne is what he is, a stay-at-home bottom pairing player, he only becomes a top-4 player when paired with an elite offensive D (Markov and now Liles).  


  261. punkster says:

    Clinging to a dream and holding out hope that things will change? Boy, after a couple of failed marriages I’m an expert on that. I agree. You gotta know when it’s time to pull the plug on washed up, faded memories of your life, abandon your dreams and just move on.

    So I’m thinking maybe this whole Suuban the Saviour thing was just a little too overblown to begin with. I mean what does the kid bring to the table anyways? He’s not that big (and we all know that BIG is what this team needs), he makes mistakes (and we all know we have enough players in the lineup that are experts on that), he’s young (and we all know older is better for a D), he’s inexperienced (and we all know talent trumps experience any old day of the week).

    I’m with you JD.  No value in getting stuck in a traffic jam in the eastbound lanes just watching the pileup in the westbounds. Let him go. Trade him while his value is high. DO IT PG!!!

    And as an aside, I’m slumming off the relatives in LoafLand for a few days, eating bonbons and quaffing all their booze for free, and the thing that strikes me about the fans in these parts is their undying love for their joke of a team and their heart-felt convictions that THIS WILL BE THE YEAR…or if not this year, next for sure. Doesn’t really matter how low the Loafers go their fans just don’t abandon them. I don’t get it. Do you?


  262. Everlasting1 says:

    The stats/numbers don’t show any benching. He had a good rookie season.


    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  263. JD_ says:

    Glad we’re on the same page with regards to this flash-in-the-pan dud who was never good enough to be ruined. From what I’ve gathered here, he’s weak between the ears. Effin’ soft. The Marchand hit was a fluke; PK was just headin’ to the bench early. Backwards.

    The Loafs fan thing is so sad it’s almost endearin’. I mean, they’re just adorable that way. It’s like a little kid who believes in Santa Claus and, upon hearin’ there is no Santa Claus, a quick glimmer of doubt flashes across his eyes before that horrible notion is rejected and the glean of wonderment is restored.

    Then the kid grows up.

    And still believes in Santa Claus.

  264. punkster says:

    Whaddya think we can get for him?


  265. JD_ says:

    I dunno.

    Whaddaya get for a washed-up head case these days?

  266. Somethingwithhabsinit says:

    He had a very nice rookie season, and he is a fine player I’d take on my team any day. That year he missed the following games:

    Oct: 4, 6, 10, 17, 20, 23, 25

    Nov: 28, 30

    Dec: 1, 4, 26

    Jan: 24

    Feb: 1, 14, 16, 19, 21, 22, 26

    They certainly weren’t all healthy scratches, but here is a game log that confirms that some of them were:


    It’s in the last sentence. I realise this thread is long dead by now, but I just wanted to make sure the info was on there.

  267. oshawahabsfan says:

    It’s so frustrating how he breaks up lines once they get going. I was clamouring for Pouliot to be with Eller if he wasn’t going to be on one of the top two lines. They’ve got some good things going and bam, break em’ up. I thought Pouliot-Eller-Lapierre would be a great third line.

  268. SeriousFan09 says:

    Yes because JM would have derailed the careers of two Norris Trophy winners and two potential Norris winners because he’s a such a terrible coach. Chara spent 3 seasons under JM in Ottawa actually, since then he’s never had under 40 points in a season and only one year where he was a minus player.

    I hear Therrien was apparently a bad coach for PIT as well, but somehow Letang persevered…

    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  269. TripleX says:

    By the time JM got his hands on Chara he was a three year veteran with over 200 NHL games.

    We are talking about JM and rookies.



    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  270. SeriousFan09 says:

    Funny how 3 years makes you a veteran coming from anywhere else but in Habs-land with guys like OB he was still a struggling young player, we really need a convserion table around here.

    Chara was coming from the Milbury Islanders, a farcical NHL management regime that would have dropped you dead of a heart attack Triple if it had been in charge of the Canadiens. He showed up in Ottawa, three solid years of progression under JM after years of underwhelming stats and a -61 from those 200+ games. He progressed in Ottawa and made the first real step forward in his career, but I guess he succeeded in spite of his new head coach on his new team.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  271. TripleX says:

    Lousy player development did not start with JM, he is merely the latest iteration of a long line of mistakes by management.

    I have said it over and over that the endemic problems with this franchise will never change until the TOP FLOORS are cleared out.

    I am still hopeful that Geoff Molson will see the light.

    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  272. Max_a_million says:


    Hey wasn’t Redden better under JM then he ever was after JM?

  273. avatar_58 says:

    I want Auld playing a game when Subban sits, just to prove a point

  274. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    It’s seems as though JM is adopting the Sutter strategy…bench (or in the case of Darryl trade) skill and reward ‘character’ or ‘effort’ or whatever you want to call it.  For a team struggling to score, I don’t see how sitting Pouliot helps things.  When did the PhD line stop being good? Why were they split up?  We could have three solid lines with the emergence of Patches.




    That seems like a fine three lines to me.  And if they make some mistakes, or have a bad game…LET THEM PLAY THROUGH IT!!!!

    How can a guy succeed if everytime he tries to make a play, in the back of his head he’s thinking I could be benched if this doesn’t work!!!

  275. Mark C says:

    The PhD line got broken up after going pointless for about 5 games following a great game in early Nov. in Buffalo. Eller replaced Halpern and the line had another hot streak for a few games.

  276. GrimJim says:

    While I agree with most of what you say, that 2-on-1 with laps last game was a true WTF moment. Poulio looked like he had given up on the play. If Laps does the same pass to Darche, or Halpern or even Stone-hands Moen (let alone Gio, Cammy or Pleks) that puck is in the back of the net. For a guy who is supposed to be a scorer, WTF was Poulio thinking?

  277. observer says:

    maybe if they looked at pouliot’s record for the last 5 years they’d have seen he is what his record is – as bill parcells says. and wouldnt have made that stupid trade.

  278. observer says:

    I now heard everything! It is the Montreal Canadiens fans fault that Ribeiro’s and Latendresse’s skills never were developed here. This is what this self proclaimed La Presse genius Francois Gagnon said on Team 990 today. AND he said they are the cause of Subban’s problems now as well. NOT the 2 old stubborn boneheads Gainey and Gauthier who have mishandled every young player once he is called up to play not to their ability but to fit their system of “don’t make me lose too bad”. I guess then in Gagnon’s mind they have much better fans in Dallas and Minnesota, hell they get these players to perform better, sure looks like they moved these players up on Habs fans. That is it! The problem with this team is Habs fans! Maybe after the trade freeze is over Gainey who is still there could trade away some of those fans “in the high up seats” as he calls them? Actually he uses another word than “fans” in those seats and it starts with a.


    Who knew Habs fans could ruin players like this? No wonder it’s so hard for Gainey and Gauthier here.

  279. Nahlsy says:

    Two words: Carey Price

    Habs “fans” sure did their damndest to ruin that kid last year, anyone less mentally sound would have crumbled under the crap these people shot at him. The reporter was right, the fans in this town can be and are a major issue that gets in the way with a lot of players especially when it comes to young players and/or unrealistic expectations.

  280. avatar_58 says:

    So 1 bad play = benched? Or is it 2? Or 3? I’m just curious what the rule is, and I’m sure every hab is too

  281. Bugs says:

    He was thinkin the same thing Cammy was thinking when he suddenly got the puck at the hash-marks, MOVED IN almost 10 feet with a clear shot…and then passed it to the side of the crease for a play that immediately died.

    It happens. Any other examples of his bonehead moves that must account for his COMPLETE boneheadedness or is that the only one?

    Cuz if Poolio is a bonehead for that, then Cammy is a bonehead too.

    Unquestionably unquestionable, I think I’m

    L. Bugs Potter, esq., Herzog of ze Abominable Habsuchtig Brigade, Markgraf of ze Fearsome Flanell Flausen Flank, und devoted minion of ze Habsbros Order: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  282. GrimJim says:

    Yeah I had a WTF moment with Cammy there too. Just like I’ve had WTF moments with Spach, Picard, Subbie, Gomez. I guess that’s why they call it a slump.

  283. GrimJim says:

    I’m betting the players do know what is expected of them. It’s the fans that I hear constantly complaining about not being in JM inner circle.

  284. JeffHackett-underrated says:

    Hate to Jump all over JM but why does he have such a h*rd on for Picard. In my mind Picard has regressed over the last 10 games- looks timid and scared at times.

  285. observer says:

    cause gauthier needs him and darche on this team for ethnic reasons!

  286. TripleX says:

    Seems like Picard is this years MAB.  I will play him and over play him because I AM THE COACH!



    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  287. SensFanSpezza says:

    I might be crazy, but it seems to me Picard has sucked ass lately.  So has Subban, but Subban at least has potential.  Picard isn’t ever getting any better than he is now.

  288. observer says:

    picard has replaced markov. in effect thats what gauthier did. lost the #1 defenseman and just moved up every other d-man 1 notch. weber replaced obyrrne. tell me the defense corp is not worse BECAUSE gauthier/gainey refuse to use the cap space to acquire a better d-man than the #6 picard! what has taken them so long to make a move? should have be done soon after markov was injured.

  289. HardHabits says:

    Guys, guys, guys. Hockey isn’t a humanist sport where a coach tucks his players into bed at night. This is the world of classical conditioning and response to stimuli. Someone effs up. They get shocked with electrodes. They play in the system, they get a little food pellet. Now excuse me because church bells started ringing just outside in my neighborhood and all of a sudden I am hungry for some reason.

  290. GrimJim says:

    According to HockeyDB.com, no Pavlov ever played in the NHL…

    Enjoy your chow, puppy :-)

  291. Nahlsy says:

    Still don’t see what the big deal is. Subban is a rookie that is a team worst -7 in December. Everyone’s crying for Picard’s head, but he’s -1 on the month and isn’t 21 yrs old. A 21 yr old rookie defenceman that takes a lot of unnecessary risks in his own end, makes several mistakes and goes -7 over the span of 3 weeks with a team leading it’s division in December is generally going to find his butt parked in the pressbox for a couple of games to watch and see things etc.

    Pouliot’s pressbox is for a lack of effort, which has been his career downfall thus far. He lollygagged it on a 2 on 1 when the game was still in reach in the second period (look at the live comments and notice that almost everyone here noticed it) and that sort of “effort” gets you a seat when your team’s struggling to find offense as well.Also he has 3 goals in 21 games or whatever it is since November 5th, to go with 6 assists in that same time frame. This isn’t exactly Earth shattering production out of someone that’s supposed to be a goal scorer.

    AK46 hasn’t scored a goal since November 27th and has 3 points in 9 games since then after being one of the main scoring threats earlier in the season. He was due for a spot in the pressbox to try to snap him out of it and get him motivated to earn some icetime.

    I fail to see what the big deal or even what the question is with all of this.

  292. Bugs says:

    I love it! All Poolio’s fault. “He lollygagged it on a 2 on 1 when the game was still in reach” but Cammalleri, when the game was EVEN MORE in reach beforehand, completely shanked the play with an clear shot from the glory zone by preferring a low-percentage pass to the side’o’the crease; gimme a break.

    Poolio has sucked so bad since Nov 5th, he’s 5th on the team in scoring. That’s TOP 6 positioning btw, so guess what? He IS producing like a top 6 player…playing on the bottom 6. So if he’s been showin a “lack of effort”, then there must be more than a few sleeping like LOGS or it must only be by some miracle of physics or something that Poolio MOVED UP the team leader board since Nov 5th while displaying this “lack of effort”.

    Unquestionably unquestionable, I think I’m

    L. Bugs Potter, esq., Herzog of ze Abominable Habsuchtig Brigade, Markgraf of ze Fearsome Flanell Flausen Flank, und devoted minion of ze Habsbros Order: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  293. TripleX says:

    PK is still only a -1 for the season, so he was a +8 going into December.  So what happened to his game?  Can you say benching?

    AK was on fire in the first half of this season, one of our best forwards along with the entire Pleks line.  So what happened to his game?  Can you say Gomez, fourth line and benching?

    Pouliot only has 3 goals playing on the third and fourth lines as a checker?  For shame.  Why can’t he be like Gomez with 4 goals playing max minutes and ALL PPs.  Can you say favourtism?

    Gomez is such a great asset backchecking that he plays all the PKs.  Oh wait a minute that is Pleks.  Wonder why Pleks looks so tired?


    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  294. mjames says:

    You evaluate AK based on his production. I know he is cold but he is the third leading scorer on this team. You ignore the fact that AK creates the majority of chances for the Pleks line with his passing. We saw how inept the Pleks line was without him in the Dallas game.  Yiou will see tonight the chances that the Pleks line will have.

    Can you please explain to me  how benching motivates you. Do you really think that dumping on AK motivates him. Is that how you motivate your significant other, kids, co-workers or friends? Is that what motivates you?

    Since production is a main benchmark what exactly is Gomez, Eller, Moen, Laps , Pyatt, Gorges, Spacek, etc doing for the effort – exactly nothing. If you are going to criticize a player’s performance you should be objective and not scapegoat players as Martin does.   


  295. Born in a Bad Year says:

    Picard is also minus 3 in the last two games.

    Totally blew the coverage on the shorthanded goal Tuesday.

    Picard failed to take either the puck or the body on Porter’s backhand Sunday after he threw away the puck up the center of the ice.  On Colorado’s game winning goal on Sunday, even though it was a weak clearing attempt at the blueline by PK (and unlucky because the puck was hit by a skate) Picard let his man skate by and ineffectively fell to the ice, accomplishing his usual nothing. Pretty much cost us the game against Colorado.

  296. BrianSkrudland says:

    It certainly doesn’t have much value, but for what it’s worth, in my opinion PK will survive this ‘turmoil’ with his ego and confidence in tact. Some players have fragile psyches, no doubt. Others are more resilient and can roll with the punches that come from situations similar to what PK has experienced in his young professional career.

    Last year, the Sharks played quite a game with Logan Couture. He was their first round pick (9th overall) in 2007. He was assigned to the AHL and called back up to the NHL on nine occassions, I believe. In one season! This year he has produced 25 points on an underperforming team, scoring big goals when they need them.

    PK seems to posses solid confidence and character. He will outlast Coach Martin’s tenure with the Habs.


  297. ed lopaz says:

    “PK seems to posses solid confidence and character. He will outlast Coach Martin’s tenure with the Habs.”


    Pk says after the games: “I need to be better. My team is depending on me”.

    He understands the mistakes and he’s trying to correct them.

    His character ALONE is reason to love this guy.

    His skill is off the charts.

    He is a born leader and a great asset to this organisation.

  298. notbigbird says:

    But will the rest of us survive JM? 😉

  299. 24 Cups says:

    You have to wonder why Brian Gionta doesn’t score more goals.

  300. shiram says:

    While his % of shot that score is kinda low, I like that he shoots alot, it can create great opportunities for those ugly goals. In fact, I posted this week how our team ranks low on the nhl ranking for shot, we we’re 25 or 26th…

  301. rocketsglare says:

    Maybe because of his propensity to shoot high over the net.

    Go Habs Go!

  302. JD_ says:

    Rome is burnin’ and you want to go off-topic, 24C?

    The sheer audacity.

    In other news, my great-grandmother called to let me know the senior’s residence has run out of rice puddin’. It’s a scene, man.

  303. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    Gio’s been snakebitten so far this season.  Hopefully things will change and he’ll start getting some lucky bounces and pot a few to get going for the playoffs.

  304. habaholic68NJ says:

    Dear Mr Molson

    I am sending you this letter of recommendation regarding your present coach, J. Martin who has done an outstanding job during the first 1.5 years of the current rebuilding of the Habs. IMO, a superior talent like Mr. Martin is wasted at the level of coach and is better served elsewhere in the organization, perhaps at the level of senior VP. Please, consider doing this for the good of the club.I give Jacques Martin my highest recommendation.


    A long-time Hab fan

  305. newbrunswick troy says:

    i may be drunk….actualy only a few so far…. but your sarcasim  is well noted !!!

  306. Habnofear says:

    Yes…..I’ve got the same letter of recommendation  for future V.P. Martin after all it’s not like he don’t come with a system?

  307. Mark C says:

    Observer, ever ponder that perhaps no player is available that offers a significant upgrade to the current roster given the opportunity cost? There really are only 3 teams that are truly out of playoff contention, and they might not even want to raise the white flag to their fan base right now.

    Would you really like Montreal to spend resources and assists on a James Wisniewki/Andy Green type only to not be able to make a larger more impactful trade at the deadline?


  308. HabFanSince72 says:

    lost the #1 defenseman and just moved up every other d-man 1 notch

    Lost him just like that!

  309. ctony says:

    1. The Cap moved (ok, gave away) Flieschmann and they are not “out of playoff contention”.  Trades happen when proactive GMs suggest things that work.  PG/BG are not proactive.  They react to other teams overtures.  In fact, we have a retroactive management team that includes JM…

    2. Yes, I would like Wisneiewski or Green.  They are PP QBs who can move the puck up ice and contribute to the offense 5-on-5.  A trait that has been notable absent since Markov went down and PK was given an amber light (perhaps red light) to get involved in the offense.


  310. The Cat says:

    Im curious what the game will be like tonight, seems theres always some unusual referreeing when the habs are in Carolina.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  311. The Cat says:

    I agree with you. I know some coaches who’ll take on the hard workers as their faves eventhough they dont produce. It bugs the hell out of me. If a guy produces, you should always be more leniant with his faults.


    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  312. Nahlsy says:

    3 goals in 21 games isn’t exactly setting the world on fire. Players with a lot of talent and a lack of heart or effort belong in the press box now and again until they start showing up consistantly and earning their ice time. This is Stephane Richer, Slava Kozlov or Alex Mogilny all over again, the talent to be a 50+ goal scorer with the heart of a beer league player that prevents them from using it to get there far too often (outside of contract years). The reason Pouliot’s on the 4th line is because he plays himself there with his routine lack of effort or interest that has landed him in the pressbox where he belongs until he starts showing a little bit of enthusiasm. This kid’s hands plus Doug Gilmour’s heart would be an all-star every year.

  313. TripleX says:

    Hal Gill       -6

    PK             -1

    Gorges       -4 ( a -3 in last game )

    Gomez       -3 ( only forward worse is Lap at -4 )

    Pouliot       +2

    Pleks          +5

    AK              +9  ( leads the team )


    But I thought +/- was a meaningless stat?  I guess it is only meaningless when it does NOT support coaching decisions.


    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  314. Nahlsy says:

    Again, Subban is a rookie defenceman that has been making a lot of rookie mistakes. He was put in the pressbox for them and when he returned, he was making the same rookie mistakes. He’s gone -7 in the 5 or 6 games since he returned from the pressbox because of those rookie mistakes and he was sent back to the pressbox for making too many rookie mistakes. If you can’t figure that out, that’s your issue. It’s hockey 101 though.

    Kostistyn STARTED the year well but has disappeared lately. He hasn’t scored a goal in a month and hasn’t looked all that motivated on the ice. He was sent to the pressbox for the way he’s played in December (not for the way he played in October).

    Once again, this is hockey 101.

    Pouliot is lazy and doesn’t bother to show up far too often. He was exceptionally lazy during the Dallas loss and his coach is punishing him for it by taking him out of the lineup in exchange for a player than can be bothered to put an effort forward. In the NHL if you can’t be bothered to put forth a halfassed effort, you belong in the pressbox until you change your mind about that. Pouliot’s laziness is what has put a top line talent on the 4th line in the first place. Now it’s taken him off of the 4th line for a night, in the hopes that he eventually gets the message.

  315. TripleX says:

    Oh please!  It is Hockey 101 dude.

    Effort wins games not talent.  Give me a roster full of career AHLers who work hard. 

    Want to know why Pouliot and AK don’t work as hard as Darche?  Because they made the NHL on TALENT not hard work.  Working at 60% of Darche they are STILL superior hockey players.  THAT IS HOCKEY 101!



    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  316. Storm Man says:

    Triple this is why you failed hockey 101, Better luck next time.

  317. TripleX says:

    I have never failed at anything in my life so far.  I fully expect to fail at some point but as of yet no.

    I am guessing by comparison you have suffered many failures.  I am sure it has made you stronger.  Yes?



    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  318. Storm Man says:

    Never failed at anything so far? Interesting so please do list all the teams you have played for or still do play for at the Calgary high school level. As you say you are still in high school right and we will take it from that point yes? My guess you don’t play any sport( fyi psp or xbox is not a sport little one).

  319. Bugs says:


    If Poolio was “lazy” against Dallas, Cammy was tight-eyed fast asleep. You don’t see HIM being “sent a message”.

    It wasn’t Poolio’s “laziness” that got him off the 2nd line; he played TWO full games with’em ferpetessakes. And a week later on the 3rd, he had as many pts as Gio and Gomie PUT TOGETHER, so do me a favour and sell your “lazy” argument to the tourists, Nahl, cuz I ain’t buyin.

    5th in pts on the team. That’s top 6 material, not matter how you slice and dice it.

    Unquestionably unquestionable, I think I’m

    L. Bugs Potter, esq., Herzog of ze Abominable Habsuchtig Brigade, Markgraf of ze Fearsome Flanell Flausen Flank, und devoted minion of ze Habsbros Order: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  320. Storm Man says:

    Lord Martin thinks POO-POO is lazy and should sit his ass in the press box. And to think bugs Jack Martty is someone you like alot.

    “I have never failed at anything in my life so far… TripleX 12/23/2010 16:34pm”

  321. Bugs says:

    Subban too. Don’t forget Subban. He’s lazy too and his azz should be sat.


    Unquestionably unquestionable, I think I’m

    L. Bugs Potter, esq., Herzog of ze Abominable Habsuchtig Brigade, Markgraf of ze Fearsome Flanell Flausen Flank, und devoted minion of ze Habsbros Order: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  322. Nahlsy says:

    Cammy has more heart in a bowel movement than Pouliot’s ever seen in his entire life. Plus Cammy’s producing on the scoreboard and routinely busts his butt every night while Pouliot’s been invisible for a month and never shows 1/3 of his talent because he rarely shows even 1/4 of his effort.

    No one asked you to buy it, I’m simply speaking the truth that you don’t want to hear because you are biased by his ethnicity mr Cherry.


    Put this another way. Do you feel that this is the best Pouliot can do or do you believe, like I do, that he is capable of more if he ever applied himself and gave an honest effort?

  323. Bugs says:

    Oh, the “truth” again! I love it when the “truth” show up, you know, “truth” like “more heart in a bowel movement than the other’s entire life”. Wow. How do you MEASURE “truth” like that? With your Abstract-Machine?

    Of course, I think Poolio can give more. I also think Cammy can “give more”. Say, how ’bout we put HIM on the 4th line (where Poolio is playing without “heart”) and see how he does there? I mean, all he has to do is play with “heart” and he’ll be fine, right? Cuz all offensive topliners should be grrreat playin dump’n’grind on the 4th line, right?

    Yeah, yeah, then after that, we can put Poolio with Plecky and Gio for a stretch; do you think maybe his…(mmph) “heart” would return then? C’mon.

    C’mon, Nahl. Don’t go too far, ok?

    Unquestionably unquestionable, I think I’m

    L. Bugs Potter, esq., Herzog of ze Abominable Habsuchtig Brigade, Markgraf of ze Fearsome Flanell Flausen Flank, und devoted minion of ze Habsbros Order: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  324. Storm Man says:

    Rabbit you come on here day after day saying how great Lord Martin is as a coach. Right?


    “I have never failed at anything in my life so far… TripleX 12/23/2010 16:34pm”

  325. Bugs says:

    Wrong. Unless you can locate said posts from today, yesterday and the day before to showcase such a trend.


    Wow, another fail from Stormy. That’s surprising.

    Learn to argue, kid.

    Unquestionably unquestionable, I think I’m

    L. Bugs Potter, esq., Herzog of ze Abominable Habsuchtig Brigade, Markgraf of ze Fearsome Flanell Flausen Flank, und devoted minion of ze Habsbros Order: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  326. Storm Man says:

    More lies. Learn the truth rabbit you can still turn the sad life around.

    I have never failed at anything in my life so far… TripleX 12/23/2010 16:34pm”

  327. Nahlsy says:

    I’ll let you try and figure out why Cammy isn’t on the 4th line, but Pouliot keeps managing to play himself onto the 4th line or the pressbox wherever he goes. Let’s see if you can figure it out for yourself, it will mean more than having me tell you.

    Pouliot’s on the 4th line for a reason, Cammy’s not on the 4th line for a reason. At least you admit that Pouliot’s not giving his all and that right there is reason enough to move his backside into the pressbox. When you lose 4 of 5 and you’ve got a top 2 line talent playing his way onto the 4th line going through the motions and not giving 80% let alone 100% it’s difficult to find a valid arguement NOT to scratch him.

    P.S. his ethnicity is NOT a valid arguement.

  328. Nahlsy says:

    I’ll let you try and figure out why Cammy isn’t on the 4th line, but Pouliot keeps managing to play himself onto the 4th line or the pressbox wherever he goes. Let’s see if you can figure it out for yourself, it will mean more than having me tell you.

    Pouliot’s on the 4th line for a reason, Cammy’s not on the 4th line for a reason. At least you admit that Pouliot’s not giving his all and that right there is reason enough to move his backside into the pressbox. When you lose 4 of 5 and you’ve got a top 2 line talent playing his way onto the 4th line going through the motions and not giving 80% let alone 100% it’s difficult to find a valid arguement NOT to scratch him.

    P.S. his ethnicity is NOT a valid arguement.

  329. rocketsglare says:

    Time for the boys to come out of their slump and play like they can and beat the Canes tonight. When this

    team decides to play on all cylinders they are very entertaining and highly successful. A win tonight against

    a team that has historically given the Habs fits will go a long way in helping the team’s confidence and more

    importantly, shore up the team’s standing in the Northeast Division.

    So, a very important game for the Habs for many reasons. Should be an interesting game tonight for the boys.

    Go Habs Go!

  330. jimmy shaker says:

    Just finished watching the caps/pens 24/7 coverage on both the teams.  Great insight on the game behind the game and how things go on before, after and during the games or roadtrips.  My question is……RDS was showing this, why haven’t the habs been covered like this.  It would be great to see our team in depth and off the ice sometimes.  Hey Stubbs, can you make it happen.  Would love to see the habs like this!


  331. HabsFanInTampa says:

    This game will determine if we stay the #3 seed or drop to the eighth seed in the conference.

  332. Ian Cobb says:

    Trade deadline not that far away for those that can not get it up for 60 minuits a night.

  333. shiram says:

    Trade Viagra for Cialis?

  334. vic says:

    Come on Ian Im 74

  335. Ian Cobb says:

    And I’ll bet you can still skate for 60 minutes Vic.

  336. Ian Cobb says:

    I never take dope my friend.

  337. shiram says:

    Well I was trying to make a funny… but!! You do specify 60 minutes a night, thats goalie only time, are we shopping Auld? Price???


  338. JF says:

    There is a programme or series on the Habs coming up after New Year.  Don’t know too much about it, but I think it looks a bit at their off-ice lives.

  339. ABHabsfan says:

    I realize that PK has givien the puck away a few times and these mistakes are glaring; but he never gets beat around the outside (Gill) or gets got up-ice (Spatch) or tips it into his own net (Gorges) and he is definitely the only player on the team, and the first in many years, that can bring you out of your seat with is extraordinary speed and ability. How many games did Doughty in LA sit in his rookie year? You don’t think he had, and still has, his share of bone-head moves? Does anyone think Doughty is not a top-notch d-man?

    JM it seems is trying to turn PK into a boring, reliable, everyday d-man. What a waste. I can’t wait to see PK play when Muller is the coach.

  340. Chris says:

    The (not-so) secret for the Habs:  score first.

    When Montreal scores first, they are a respectable 17-3-2.  When the opposition gets the first goal, the Habs fall to an abysmal 2-10-0.  The Habs 16.7% success rate of winning games in which their opponent scores first is tied for the third worst conversion rate in the league, ahead of only the New Jersey Devils’ 10.5% and the New York Islanders’ 5.3%.

    Of course, if the Habs give up the first goal tonight and come back to win, they would vault all the way to 19th.  So as with many stats, it all depends on how you spin it…  :)

  341. Storm Man says:

    Bell has one playing now, What one are you talking about?

  342. Ian Cobb says:

    I was just trying to be cute!

  343. Graves says:

    Wow. The Dallas announcers mentioned how poor Montreal’s record was when giving up the first goal, but 17-3-2 when they score first, that’s incredible.

  344. Ian Cobb says:

    We struggle for sure Chris. Once we fall behind, we get lost out there.

  345. New says:

    I think the weird thing might be win vs lose. The bad thing that can happen to young Subban right now is for the team to win with Weber in and Subban out. Worse would be for the team to win convincingly while really limiting give aways.

    I like Subban as well. But I like a solid and of course winning team more.

  346. shiram says:

    Ahh I’m sure you don’t need to try, to be cute.

  347. Chris says:

    The fact that they’ve scored first 22 times out of 34 games is pretty amazing (looks like the Habs lead the league in that statistic), but the actual conversion ranking is surprisingly low (only 10th in the NHL at 77.3% because of those overtime losses).

    Dallas is 16-2-0 to lead the league (88.9% winning percentage).  Other teams that you don’t want to end up behind can be found here.

  348. ctony says:

    Scoring first is highly dependent on great goaltending.  When Price was making big saves earlier this
    season it kept the other team off the score sheet until we could “get
    first the goal”.  Absent those big
    saves, we’re less likely to get the early lead and play JM’s preferred

  349. Spider-Man NL says:

    I agree 110% but Muller will never coach the Habs because he isn’t french.

  350. jimmy shaker says:

    Not on cogeco yet, hopefully they will bring it on board.  Is it done through RDS?


  351. Chris says:

    The Canadiens’ roster seems built around Martin’s preferred style of tight defensive system and an opportunistic counter-attack.  As with most teams, when they get the lead they can take advantage of the other teams mistakes as they push for an equalizer.

    But the lack of offensive horses kills them when they get behind…for the second season in a row, the team is looking at no 30 goal scorers (barring a hot streak by Cammalleri, Gionta or Plekanec…I wouldn’t bet against Cammalleri going on a tear at some point).

  352. Chris says:

    Agreed.  That stat puts Price’s early-season magnificence into its proper context.  Without Price standing on his head for a month, the Habs are fighting for their playoff lives, just like every other year in recent memory. 

  353. Storm Man says:

    Jimmy not sure, I just know Bell has been doing one. I don’t know what one he is talking about.

  354. Bugs says:

    Bob Gainey wasn’t French…

    Unquestionably unquestionable, I think I’m

    L. Bugs Potter, esq., Herzog of ze Abominable Habsuchtig Brigade, Markgraf of ze Fearsome Flanell Flausen Flank, und devoted minion of ze Habsbros Order: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  355. ABHabsfan says:

    Neither was Scotty Bowman or Dick Sr

  356. ctony says:

    There’s a great line from Bull Durham, when the older sage catcher
    played by Costner is explaining life to upcoming pitcher played by Tim Robbins,
    “Your shower shoes have fungus on them. You’ll never make it to the bigs
    with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you’ll be classy. If you win 20
    in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press’ll think you’re
    colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.”

    JM player management is like fungus on shoes.  If he wins in the show, they’ll think him
    enigmatic genius.  Until he does, he
    seems to be a classless turd.

    Seriously, this isn’t about motivation, it’s about
    management.  Anyone who has managed
    anything from a McDonalds to a Fortune 500 company can tell you that they have
    favorites – for any number of logical, emotional, or irrational reasons – and
    go to war with their chosen peeps. 

    I’m not a fan of JM’s parochial style.  But, I respect the fact, that he needs to play his style with his preferred
    players.  Guys like AK, PK, Pouliot and
    previously guys like OB, SK; and others (we all know who they are) don’t fit –
    for him.  Sure, occasionally, there are
    injuries and out of favour guys move up the rankings (PK in the playoffs last
    year) or go on a tear and maintain their spot (Pouliot when he arrived from
    Minnesota via Hamilton) despite JM’s secret preferences. By and large, JM can
    find excuses to bench them.  It’s his prerogative.

    Ultimately, PG or his successors will judge JM on his record
    in Montreal.  If he wins a lot or has
    continued playoffs successes – his strange line combinations and seemingly
    (frustratingly – to some) inconsistent player management techniques will be
    overlooked.  On the other hand, if he
    doesn’t win then he will be fired based on his record and people can lay the
    blame on his odd “motivational” style.

  357. savethepuck says:

    that stat was even more impressive before our recent losing streak. We scored first and lost 3-2 to Colorado and scored first losing 4-2 to Detroit all in the last 2 weeks

  358. Storm Man says:

    So if he was born in Montreal would that make him french? What makes someone french Bugs from you’re point of view?

    “I have never failed at anything in my life so far… TripleX 12/23/2010 16:34pm”

  359. keepthefaith says:

    Can someone please tell me how Picard is still in the lineup? What a joke.

  360. Storm Man says:

    Great post btw. I recall that line from Bull Dunham.


    “I have never failed at anything in my life so far… TripleX 12/23/2010 16:34pm”

  361. Bugs says:

    If you use the correct form of “your-you’re” for once, kid, I promise to tell you.

    Unquestionably unquestionable, I think I’m

    L. Bugs Potter, esq., Herzog of ze Abominable Habsuchtig Brigade, Markgraf of ze Fearsome Flanell Flausen Flank, und devoted minion of ze Habsbros Order: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  362. observer says:

    New electric car named after a NHL hockey team coming out this month  for the public  – – – – – – – – – – http://liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/12/23/trading-the-pump-for-a-plug/?test=latestnews

  363. keepthefaith says:

    Im pretty sure this sentence is correct. YOUR an idiot for correcting spelling mistakes. Get a life.

  364. shiram says:

    Heh… same mistake! You mean to say you are an idiot, contracted form would be you’re.

    But what do I know Bugs corrected not too long ago actually.

  365. Bugs says:

    Excellent! I loved being called an idiot by folks what can’t spell. Really puts things into perspective.

    Thanks, Keeper; you’re alllllright.

    Unquestionably unquestionable, I think I’m

    L. Bugs Potter, esq., Herzog of ze Abominable Habsuchtig Brigade, Markgraf of ze Fearsome Flanell Flausen Flank, und devoted minion of ze Habsbros Order: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  366. savethepuck says:

    I watch every game and find myself several times a night saying “what a bonehead play” regarding mistakes by our DMen.  Until recently, Picard was the one guy I found I was never saying that about.  Just because you don’t notice a guy, doesn’t mean he’s not doing his job.  Until recently he was still leading our D in +/- and i think he still may be.

  367. keepthefaith says:

    Now you both are idiots from not getting a simple joke.  i thought you guys were smarter than that.

  368. punkster says:

    I’m pretty sure I don’t agree with this analysis but I’m not sure I get the relationship between JM and a quote from a ficticious story in a movie. If you were making the fungus story comparison to rookies who act colourfully before proving themselves then maybe I do get it. But how does this relate to JM? He already has the fungus on his shoes. The guy is a top 10 all time NHL game winning coach (or top 12). He has earned the right to grow fungus wherever he damn well pleases.


  369. shiram says:

    My smartness is all gone from a day of reading HIO combined with holiday madness.

    But at least i dont resort to name calling.

  370. Storm Man says:

    Tony did you put a order in yet?

    “I have never failed at anything in my life so far… TripleX 12/23/2010 16:34pm”

  371. keepthefaith says:

    Oh no , i ve noticed the guy, and not in a good way. The first ten games of the season he was unnoticed but not lately. Subban is taking all the heat and this guy gets a free pass. In the game they were both minus 3 you only heard about PK. The last game where Subban made a lazy clearing attempt and Picard stands there and lets a guy blow right by him, again you only hear about PK. I know Subban is not playing that great but Picard is not any better.

  372. punkster says:

    Awesome tag line!


  373. Storm Man says:

    Shiram is smart. The Rabbit? jury is still out on him.


    “I have never failed at anything in my life so far… TripleX 12/23/2010 16:34pm”

  374. keepthefaith says:

    I agree HIO comment section  will make you dumb. But there is no bigger loser than one who corrects spelling mistakes. Sorry if  i offended you.

  375. shiram says:

    Oh no biggie, things can get intense in here. I try to be playful, but it doesnt always come out right in writting.

    Happy hockey game tonight.

  376. savethepuck says:

    I did say until recently in my reply.

  377. shiram says:

    Wow gee thanx! thats real nice of you!

  378. Timo says:

    It’s Breezer thing all over again, except that at least Breezer had glorious outlet pass and fantastic hair. Picard has neither.

  379. observer says:

    bob gainey was not hired as coach. he fired everyone else then took over. habs need a french speaking coach in case darche or picard or lapierre cant understand english. actually it was years of garbage plus a new american owner were the only reasons an english speaker ever got that gm job again. do you really think the french media would stand for it now a 30 year loser in the nhl would be gm if he was an anglophone? hell, today, gagnon is blaming montreal fans for ribeiro and latedresse and now subban NOT THE USELESS COACH AND GM WHO HAD CONTROL OF THEM. read his story in la presse – he also told this crap to team 990. its habs fans fault.

  380. Timo says:

    Shall we be looking toward PK departure in the near future then?

  381. keepthefaith says:

    This losing streak has got us all intense i guess. I just dont like how people think they are so smug correcting spelling when it has nothing to do with the argument the guy was trying to make. We all cant be Anamika Veeramani can we? And the smug comment was for lord farquaad up there , not you.  Happy game to you as well . Hope its a W or things could get real ugly.

  382. Storm Man says:

    It is the season.

    “I have never failed at anything in my life so far… TripleX 12/23/2010 16:34pm”

  383. bwoar says:

    Honestly I can’t stand losers who think poor spelling is just fine.  If you can’t take the time to spell correctly, just shut up, because poor spelling makes everyone dumb.  The writer and the readers.  Have a little pride for crying out loud.

  384. Habsone says:

    Martin sure can’t handle the young players or should I say any players.

  385. ctony says:

    JM can do what he pleases, including making irrational line up changes.  He owes no one an explanation.  His record here not his AVERAGE career record will prove whether or not he’s right.  

    Yep, you heard me AVERAGE.  In the one-point-for-an-OTL era, the average team is .550 (or about 92 points).  Which is exactly JM’s career record coming into this season.  In fact, he hasn’t broken 90 points since Ottawa in 2003-04.  


  386. Habsone says:

    Poor car!!!!

  387. Timo says:

    I guess we’ll need to define “winning”.

  388. Storm Man says:

    Can someone give me a link for the game tonight? No RDS at the beach.


    “I have never failed at anything in my life so far… TripleX 12/23/2010 16:34pm”

  389. keepthefaith says:

    You and me will never get along. The best line is if someone cant see more than one way to spell a word, you sorely lack an imagination. When the word sounds the same who gives a rats ass how you spell it. Get a life. 

  390. Storm Man says:

    Breezer and his glorious hair. Just think if he played in the 70’s.

    “I have never failed at anything in my life so far… TripleX 12/23/2010 16:34pm”

  391. Nahlsy says:

    atdhe.net always has links to the games from various feeds. When in doubt, check there. I have tickets to Team Canada vs Finland tonight (WJHC) so I’m going to have to miss the nonsense the refs come up with in Carolina tonight (have they ever had an even remotely decently officiated game in Carolina by the way?)

  392. anotherhab says:

    I remember both those games clearly, I believe we were scored on in the last seconds of the first period in both which had me very angry – very angry indeed!!!

  393. observer says:

    http://atdhe.net/index.html                —-     or on channelsurfing too – use a veetle player

  394. Storm Man says:

    Breezer and his glorious hair. Just think if he played in the 70’s.

    “I have never failed at anything in my life so far… TripleX 12/23/2010 16:34pm”

  395. likehoy says:

    these line changes are getting ridiculous

    If this was NHL11, my players wouldn’t need to be benched to wake them up!

    – Gomez is holding down the suck button

  396. observer says:

    they were talking about it on bill maher real time about a month back. i think they said cost like around $50,000 but there were big tax rebates at least in cal. but probably everywhere. should hear about it in canada too soon?

  397. Storm Man says:

    I have that same feeling, I just hope I don’t get so pissed off at the refs tonight that my laptop goes for a swim. Thanks for the link.

    “I have never failed at anything in my life so far… TripleX 12/23/2010 16:34pm”

  398. Bugs says:

    Don’t you think folks who completely miss the point are bigger losers? Cuz that’s TWICE now with you, Keeper. So since I’m such a nice guy, I’ll explain it, lest you miss it a third time thereby SEALING your “fool” moniker. And surely, you don’t want that.

    When you want to insult someone or demean someone or call them out sarcastically for not having the same acumen that you do, Keeper, make sure to spell correctly or that acumen you hold loftier than that of the person you want to demean loses credibility.

    Because you’re wrong, Keeper, there’s actually no bigger loser than one calls other people names but can’t spell’em. It’s called irony, mate. And sadly, irony tends to escape those who can’t spell.

    I assume this isn’t the case with you, that you just hate my guts for other reasons, and that you’re merely pretending not to understand the point…

    For the second time.

    Unquestionably unquestionable, I think I’m

    L. Bugs Potter, esq., Herzog of ze Abominable Habsuchtig Brigade, Markgraf of ze Fearsome Flanell Flausen Flank, und devoted minion of ze Habsbros Order: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  399. Bugs says:

    Spoken like a true dropout.

    Unquestionably unquestionable, I think I’m

    L. Bugs Potter, esq., Herzog of ze Abominable Habsuchtig Brigade, Markgraf of ze Fearsome Flanell Flausen Flank, und devoted minion of ze Habsbros Order: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  400. Timo says:

    oh, all you people wriggling your hands about JM’s decision to sit PK and Pouliot. And to think that just about a month ago JM could do no wrong. Tks, tks.

  401. otter649 says:

    I remember a game a couple of seasons back in Carolina where The Habs got 11 or 12 straight pentalties that was unbelieveable to watch……..

  402. 25 cups says:

    The comments on here today are almost as opprobrious as the tsn comments section.

  403. TripleX says:






    We shouldn’t laugh at the grammatically challenged Bugs.
    But when the defender of the first, makes the same grammatical error?  Well come on!


    “What makes someone french Bugs from you’re point of view?”…Submitted by Storm Man on Thu, 12/23/2010 – 17:04.

  404. SLONCOLD says:

    PK Subban = Pk Surbanc

  405. keepthefaith says:

    My god you a stupider than i thought. I spelled it wrong on purpose you complete moron.  And YOUR right.,  just dont like you. YOU’RE posts are the cockiest ones around. You think YOU’RE shit dont smell but it does lord farquaad. Go join a spelling team.

  406. Storm Man says:

    Sadly Rabbit you making a promise holds no water.

    “I have never failed at anything in my life so far… TripleX 12/23/2010 16:34pm”

  407. Storm Man says:

    Triple no one here LOL at you as we all know you are challenged.

    “I have never failed at anything in my life so far… TripleX 12/23/2010 16:34pm”

  408. likehoy says:

    LOL WIN!

    – Gomez is holding down the suck button

  409. ed lopaz says:

    ” Without Price standing on his head for a month, the Habs are fighting for their playoff lives, just like every other year in recent memory. “

    Thanks Chris.

    Some of us “trolls” have been posting that line for 3 months now.

    Its not Martin’s great system, or our “amazing” 35+ d-men, that have been carrying this team.

    And, now that some of the pucks are finding their way past Price, which was bound to happen to any goalie, we are struggling.

  410. TripleX says:

    Count yourself lucky, that Bugs did not instruct you on the proper usage of quotation marks.



    “What makes someone french Bugs from you’re point of view?”…Submitted by Storm Man on Thu, 12/23/2010 – 17:04.

  411. Bugs says:

    Perfect usage. You like that one, eh?

    Unquestionably unquestionable, I think I’m

    L. Bugs Potter, esq., Herzog of ze Abominable Habsuchtig Brigade, Markgraf of ze Fearsome Flanell Flausen Flank, und devoted minion of ze Habsbros Order: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  412. anotherhab says:

    Happy Birthday Scott Gomez!!!!  Hope you have a huge game against the Canes!!!!

  413. TripleX says:

    Funny, I have noticed this same phenomena.  Depending on who makes the comment, the very same thought is considered informative or troll worthy.

    Some of us just see reality earlier than others.



    “What makes someone french Bugs from you’re point of view?”…Submitted by Storm Man on Thu, 12/23/2010 – 17:04.

  414. Storm Man says:

    Why is that? Would he take my life away? 

    “I have never failed at anything in my life so far… TripleX 12/23/2010 16:34pm”

  415. 25 cups says:

    It’s a beauty thanks again. Now who said HIO doesn’t make you smarter?

  416. HardHabits says:

    What’s “Tks, tks?” Tsk, tsk, tsk!!!

  417. Bugs says:

    Ohhhh, on puuurpose, I see. Of course it was…

    Haw-haw! Convenient, huh?

    Unquestionably unquestionable, I think I’m

    L. Bugs Potter, esq., Herzog of ze Abominable Habsuchtig Brigade, Markgraf of ze Fearsome Flanell Flausen Flank, und devoted minion of ze Habsbros Order: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  418. SPATS says:

    Timo, I was among those who thought he could do no wrong. Now I believe he’s insane


  419. TripleX says:

    Careful Bugs, if you continue to use such  multisyllabic words the HIO gang will think you a “pompous jackass”.  A fate that has already befallen me.

    Better to stick to the more accepted 100 word vocabulary.  Pity when the English language has so many interesting words.




    “What makes someone french Bugs from you’re point of view?”…Submitted by Storm Man on Thu, 12/23/2010 – 17:04.

  420. HardHabits says:

    Some of us just see reality earlier than others.

    TripleX just made a ManApartism. 

  421. SLONCOLD says:

    i’m very impressed with myself on this one

  422. 25 cups says:

    I don’t think it’s your vocabulary that has earned you that reputation.

  423. HardHabits says:

    Submitted by HardHabits on Thu, 12/23/2010 – 15:38.

    They need to not get scored on 1st to have a chance to win. Sadly that’s where they’re at right now in the exuding confidence category.

  424. Storm Man says:

    Triple you know what is the funny post of the year? The one you did that day coming on here and telling us all the Apple was going to be the number one company in the world by the end of the year. Is this the same reality you are talking about here. Triple do let us all know when you are right about something, But again it is par when it comes to what you know about anything. Triple you claim to never fail…. I would like to know when you have been right about anything.


    “I have never failed at anything in my life so far… TripleX 12/23/2010 16:34pm”

  425. WestHab says:

    damm cute post

    – Who will be at the Heritage Classic?

  426. keepthefaith says:

    LIke i said. YOUR  a complete jacka$$. As you were.

  427. Bugs says:

    Too late, mate, but thanks for lookin out.

    Unquestionably unquestionable, I think I’m

    L. Bugs Potter, esq., Herzog of ze Abominable Habsuchtig Brigade, Markgraf of ze Fearsome Flanell Flausen Flank, und devoted minion of ze Habsbros Order: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  428. WestHab says:

    why does anyone want to drag reality into this anyway?  Being a fan of anything is purely based on escape and enjoyment or did I miss something. get real.

    – Who will be at the Heritage Classic?

  429. Say Ash says:

    Gomez thinks the same after a goal.

  430. TripleX says:


    “it’s” is a contraction for “it is” or “it has”

    “its”  is a possessive pronoun meaning “belonging to it”

    Just being my usual “pompous jackass” I guess.  :)


    “What makes someone french Bugs from you’re point of view?”…Submitted by Storm Man on Thu, 12/23/2010 – 17:04.

  431. SLONCOLD says:

    nah, he’s trying to keep the goals down so his goals/salary remains as high as possible lol

  432. habs365 says:

    TripleX – excellent comment

  433. Bugs says:

    Over/under number of goals for K Senior tonight: 0.5

    Call it.

    The winners get to find that extra sock that disappeared some weeks back.

    Unquestionably unquestionable, I think I’m

    L. Bugs Potter, esq., Herzog of ze Abominable Habsuchtig Brigade, Markgraf of ze Fearsome Flanell Flausen Flank, und devoted minion of ze Habsbros Order: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  434. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    haha…unfortunately your pomposity blinded your good sense there.  The contraction was used properly in the post above:  “it is your…”

  435. habs365 says:

    Timo – I hope you didn’t count me in on that one…I doubt if you’ll ever see a comment from me regarding martin could do no wrong…martin no doubt is a fine man…a coach he’s not and never will be and if any fan out there thinks I’m a troll-enjoy.

  436. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    Oh what the hell, I’ll say he gets a hatty.  Fortune favours the bold/ridiculously optimistic and all that jazz

  437. terrygain says:

    The play you are describing didn’t happen last game. It was the game before and the guy didn’t  blow by Picard. He went down to block the shot and it went over him. Your opinion is a good as your powers of observation: seriously lacking.


    Did anyone notice how those Maple Leaf fans are such sheep? They support management no matter what. It’s no wonder they haven’t won in 43 years.

  438. sholi2000.com says:

    hehe, you’re arguing with a child.

    My underwear has more time on the ice than that kid.

    I’ve got a jock strap with more hockey experience than TripleX

    He’s been in since coffee break, and he doesn’t drink coffee


    They Call Me Shane

  439. Ian Cobb says:

    So we slipped a little as we progress to the cup, so what!. It just makes winning that much sweeter.

    We are a better than last year at this time by far, and yes we have a lot of work to do before we get there. Just a couple of pieces to put together before we get to the next level. But they are keeping me interested and entertained this year, unlike years before Gainey & Gauthier.

    Lets just see if they can get it together enough tonight.

    Things to work on.  face offs, tape to tape passing, (penalty) discipline in the offensive end, and our power play, puck control. And skate like hell. !!

  440. keepthefaith says:

    Oh i messed up which game . So sue me. And yes Picard got blown by. You have no idea what YOUR talking about.  Your opinion means as much to me as bugs and his spelling corrections. Zero.

  441. habsfan_61 says:

    apparently we have a terrible record on dec. 23rd. last year was the 1st time won on this date in ages

  442. Psycho29 says:

    We all got a lump of coal for Christmas……CHRIS LEE

  443. samTHEman says:

    Price shutout

    AK46 hat trick

    Weber PPG


  444. keepthefaith says:

    i guess Picard was blocking another shot there too eh Terry?

  445. samTHEman says:

    Someone mentioned horrible reffing against Carolina…well speaking of the devil.. (weber penalty)…wtf?

  446. habbyone says:

    Chris fffnnn Lee. We’re doomed

  447. samTHEman says:

    Is he the one that called Weber’s “elbowing”? Why is this guy still working for the NHL? Why is he still alive actually?

  448. terrygain says:

    You messed up the game and the play. My  opinion means nothing to you because you are not educable. 

    Did anyone notice how those Maple Leaf fans are such sheep? They support management no matter what. It’s no wonder they haven’t won in 43 years.

  449. 25 cups says:

    This from someone who has never failed at anything… Oh well first time for everything right.

  450. Psycho29 says:

    I’ll go out on a limb and say OVER

  451. Bugs says:

    In fairness, Terry, you’re not very good at hurling insults to give yourself relevance either.

    Unquestionably unquestionable, I think I’m

    L. Bugs Potter, esq., Herzog of ze Abominable Habsuchtig Brigade, Markgraf of ze Fearsome Flanell Flausen Flank, und devoted minion of ze Habsbros Order: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  452. punkster says:



  453. dh says:

    Agreed.  I just hope that they don’t teach him how not to play like he plays.  He’s fun to watch and we need another d that can move the puck into the zone.  I miss his energy from the beginning of the year.

    What I wonder about is sitting the guys that score the goals when we are having problems scoring goals.  First AK and now Pouliot.  I know that Pouliot made a mistake last game but I didn’t see him doing any worse than anyone else.  In fact, after moving to the 3rd line, he seemed to be doing just what his coach wanted.  Anyway, he can shoot and move the puck.  Why put him in the press box?  Isn’t there another way to motivate a player?

  454. BrianSkrudland says:

    To play on the ‘survive’ theme, maybe JM actually lets players know that they are healthy scratches by extinguishing their torches like on Survivor:

    Jacques Martin to PK: The torch; be yours to hold it high, but not today, PK!

  455. Nahlsy says:

    He was benched and returned to go -3 in a 3-2 loss to Toronto, -2 in another loss, -2 in another loss still. -7 in 5 or 6 games after you return from a trip to the pressbox should be an automatic return to the pressbox for a rookie defenceman. That’s basic hockey 101 there.

  456. Nahlsy says:

    Can’t bench all 20 of them at once or there won’t be anyone left. Gomez hasn’t been rewarded on the scoresheet but the effort is there. When you see a guy going through the motions and not putting a full effort in, you bench him and let him know that if he wants on the ice, he’s going to have to put some honest hard work into it to get there. If he responds by not giving a flying fig, you send him to the pressbox. Let him know that he can make millions of dollars as an NHL hockey player or go find another job somewhere else if he doesn’t want to be bothered putting the effort it. AK46 got lazy and wasn’t putting the effort in, his production diminished and he found a seat for it. Gomez puts an honest effort out and is struggling but, has been one of the top producers recently as he’s finally getting rewarded for his efforts.

    This isn’t rocket science, some players are motivated by different means. If they can’t be bothered to put out an honest effort they get scratched for a fireplug that will. AK was likely deemed to not have been trying as hard as he could, as was Pouliot and they were parked for it. Subban was making too many rookie mistakes and was parked for it. It happens, life goes on. It’s not the end of the world or a conspiracy against the players it’s what a coach is SUPPOSED to do.

  457. TripleX says:

    Glad you are not the GM!  :)


    I don’t give a f**k about the effort as long as he puts up POINTS AND GOALS!  Effort?  If I hire someone to fix my car I want someone with the skill to fix it!  Not some hard working doofus with no ability to do the job.

    Gomez what a great player so much effort!  Too bad about the 8 million dollar contract and 4 goals.  Wow look at that effort on the ice it gives me chills.  Some people just don’t understand the intagibles like “effort”, it is worth every bit of that 8 million.  Talent?  Goals?  Points?  That is sooooooo obvious to the ignorant.  GIVE ME EFFORT!



    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  458. patience is a virtue says:

    Yes, generally speaking, I think sitting out games motivates professional hockey players to come back and prove themselves, IF they agree that they screwed up.  Especially true for young players.  PK agrees that he has not been playing well of late. 

    Also, a big part of the reason he is sitting is because Weber needs another look before the Habs make a move/a decision between a top six winger or a top four, offensive defenceman.  I think the move is coming sooner rather than later.  Everyone can see that the Markov-less Habs need some more offensive jam, pronto.  

    I like the way Martin is handling Pouliot, even if I don’t think he should sit him the same night he is sitting another key offensive player.  Martin is consistently pressuring Poo to prove himself, and, for the most part, Poo is responding to the challenge.  I like the long-term outlook.

    About AK – we have to stop expecting this highly-talented mercurial Slav to become something he is not.  He looks like a floater because he floats for opportunties and pounces with blistering shots and seeing eye passes.  And he has done a decent job of capitalizing on his opportunities until recently = he sat a game. He has also picked up the intensity on the boards this season, which is a nice change, as he has all the tools to be a hard hitting, goal scoring, top six forward.  Just don’t expect him to be a 40+ goals/season, consistently “hard working”, power forward and you won’t be disappointed. (Besides, we couldn’t afford to keep him is he was that good – and maybe that is precisely why Martin moved him off Plek’s wing for a bit?!  Now that’s heretical :)


  459. mjames says:

    So the “stick” is what motivates you. That is  fine and your opinion. I find some people are motivated by the carrot instead of the stick.  One other thing – we should not lose cite of the fact that Russian players might have a different makeup than NA players. Most of them have been accused of floating. Maybe that is there style. Why draft them if we don’t like their style – Rhetorical – We do it because they are the most skilled players. They trick is to motivate them – Benching has proven that it does not work and Martin has proven he is over his head – notwithstanding the fact that this is not rocket science. .

    I take issue with you on Gomez – he got a few assists and a one or two pucks bounced off him. Let’s be honest now.


  460. Storm Man says:

    Triple this is why you have the life you have.

  461. TripleX says:


    Gee Storm Man, and here I thought we were finally on the same page on something.  I guess I was wrong to think you do NOT approve of the moves JM is making.

    My bad.


    ps I have an awesome life…having some fresh fruit on the lanai for lunch…Maui is paradise how is it in Calgary


    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  462. Storm Man says:

    Lord Martin makes moves he thinks is best for the team. Do I think he is right? for the most part no but who am I. I stand at 0-0-0 as a coach in the NHL, What is the record you have?. Im not sure what is going on in Calgary as I always spend Christmas with my family in Grand Cayman. I will be sure to wave to you on Feb 20 as you watch the game on tv.

  463. Nahlsy says:

    So you can have Kovalev, Mogilny, Kozlov, Richer, and a whole pile of the most talented players to never bother showing up at an NHL game and I’ll take Gilmour, Gainey, Shanahan, Tocchet, and anyone ever named Sutter on my team. You’ll never win a playoff series and never figure out why and I’ll rattle off a string of cup titles with guys that go through a wall to win and NEVER cheat you of an ounce of effort. Talent makes hilight reels, heart wins championships.

  464. larisalapointe says:

    I don’t think there is any machiavellian plot going on here. He shoots left, that’s probably the only reason.

  465. punkster says:

    Pfft…that’s nothing. My brother just ran out of scotch. Top that for controversy!


  466. Storm Man says:

    You mean you drink all his scotch, punkster the gift that keeps on giving ;).

  467. Ian Cobb says:

    Punkster, I am heading to Mtl. for a week or so. I have tickets for the 12th. A few of us might want to get together to watch a game Sat. night.??  15th?

  468. punkster says:

    Lon as I’m not away skiing I would love to…let me know when the date gets closer :)


  469. Ian Cobb says:

    JD, are you up for a game on the tube somewhere with a few of us somewhere when I get to Mtl.??

  470. punkster says:

    Yep. I’m a freakin’ Xmas miracle, I am!


  471. Ian Cobb says:

    Roger dat my friend.!

  472. JD_ says:

    Sounds good, Ian.

    Email me when you’re up and runnin’.


  473. 24 Cups says:

    JD – Pretty busy right now.  Trying to download Kandi Burrass’ celebrated release of her highly anticipated CD, “Kandi Coated”.  Once that task is completed, I have to move over to Facebook to learn how a single mom of three earns $12000 grand a month by using the internet.  Lastly, word on the street (which means Twitter these days) is that Shaq’s tatted up accuser, Alexis Miller (aka Mary Jane), is sporting a new “Shaq Tatt”.

    I’d put down some line combos for you but who’s got the frackin’ time?

    Later, dude.  The bar opens in Slowville at 5pm sharp.  Got to keep pace with the headmaster.

  474. observer says:

    no! they only booed price AFTER he went bad. and remember when they voted him to the allstar game after a great first half? then he came to pieces. well is it happening again? have gauthier and gainey and martin again burned him out? sorry it is not the fans who let in those soft goals? they boo goalies everywhere. but some coach/gm know how to handle goalies and young players – these coach/gms dont and proof is who is on or not on this team. 90% of them not drafted by habs and problems with everyone they did draft. it is all on management and coaching. back in the battle for 8th place. and here comes carolina if they win tonight.

  475. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    good first…they’re skating.  Let’s just pray Pleks is OK…

  476. 123456 says:

    did hammer think this was skate and shoot on the first goal?

  477. Kramby says:

    Thank you Gomer


  478. 123456 says:

    second that and think he needs a hat trick on his bday

  479. Kramby says:

    That would be sweet.

  480. habs365 says:

    Carolina and the Habs are pretty even teams…I may give Carolina the edge when it comes to scoring…other than that…tonight is anyones game.

  481. 123456 says:

    scoring is about the same, goals against favors the habs.

  482. 123456 says:

    hammer WTF – that was your guy on the second goal


  483. terrygain says:

    Spacek was more responsible than Hammer.

    Did anyone notice how those Maple Leaf fans are such sheep? They support management no matter what. It’s no wonder they haven’t won in 43 years.

  484. Kramby says:

    geeez wtf

    weak in front of our own net again. gotta knock theese guys down.

  485. 123456 says:

    gotta be happy with two – yea that’s two (2) deux goals on teh 5 min PP. way to take one for the team josh

  486. terrygain says:

    As an astute observer (me) pointed out yesterday, Picard has a low, hard, accurate shot.  Seriously, you people want to bench him?  

    Did anyone notice how those Maple Leaf fans are such sheep? They support management no matter what. It’s no wonder they haven’t won in 43 years.

  487. keepthefaith says:

    Wow one goal and its a Picard love in? How about the bad pinch which almost led to SH breakaway? Or getting blown by in the first five min of the game? Yes you are so astute. You should maybe have a job with the team.

  488. Kramby says:

    Right now we have 3 good yound D-men on the team and one of them needs to sit every game. Right now it seems to me the weak link on the back end PK. Sure he makes some big exciting plays every game but he also makes some big mistakes too.

  489. terrygain says:

    Not a love in. Just showing respect where it’s due. Unlike you, I don’t need to hate anyone to make myself feel good. You should watch the game when sober. Picard’s made two mistakes so far and a bad pinch isn’t one of them. He was beaten to the outside in the first period but the guy who beat him had no shot. 


    Did anyone notice how those Maple Leaf fans are such sheep? They support management no matter what. It’s no wonder they haven’t won in 43 years.

  490. keepthefaith says:

    Unlike you , I dont try pat myself on the back after a guy scores a goal . Try watch a game with your eyes open. I had respect for Picard the first ten games of the year. Now he gets a free pass even when making mistakes.

  491. terrygain says:

    Incognito and not educable. Picard is very solid. Numerous excellent plays tonight and only two mistakes. You aren’t objective enough to see it. There’s no reason for you to pat yourself on the back. You have no insight and can’t even see what is plainly before your eyes. 


    Did anyone notice how those Maple Leaf fans are such sheep? They support management no matter what. It’s no wonder they haven’t won in 43 years.

  492. keepthefaith says:

    I can plainly see that you are just trying to make Picard look good to make your comment relevant. Numerous excellent plays? Gimme  a break man.

  493. terrygain says:

    Picard made himself look good. As for you, Mr incognito, you don’t deserve a break. You are an idiot – as you prove with every post. 


    Did anyone notice how those Maple Leaf fans are such sheep? They support management no matter what. It’s no wonder they haven’t won in 43 years.

  494. 123456 says:

    while jaro watched as well the scorer was lined up with hammer – that is his man to defend.

  495. Fab K says:

    Hi all,

    I’m a long time reader of these posts but rarely post myself. I read this article from RDS http://www.rds.ca/canadien/chroniques/312086.html (please don’t ask me to translate for those non-french speaking). I have also listened to Pierre McGuire (i know i know, but i think he has great imput when talking to Melnick about the Habs).

    I think that if our current “system” (or shall i say JM’s system) continues as is for a long period of time, i don’t see a bright future for our beloved habs. Let me explain. His system is not one to bring up young talent into this team from the farm as all he will do (please note the Subban “experiment” so far this season) is to “break him” (as McGuire pointed out today) to play our “system”. This player has been brought up, playing all his life the way he played, before this season, and he is a natural at it. Then he comes in to this team under JM and is punished every time he makes a mistake by sitting him night after night or benching him. How is that going to help his confidence? Now, all he becomes is less effective to our team by being less confident not to disappoint the coach as he’s afraid to make a mistake. And (point me if i’m wrong), but he’s been f***ing up a lot lately because of this. Why does JM insist on this day in day out when it doesn’t work??? His latest press conference, he was asked about this point and he said “we need our players to play our system” (not an actual point, but you get the jist) Just let the kid play!! Does he really learn anything being benched half the time? Now I understand that we want to let other kids play (such as Weber and Picard, lately), but he is slated to be a big time player that needs the ice time to learn. JM won’t last forever on this team and the way it’s going, we seem to be punishing him for every turnover with a benching or sitting in the press box. Does anyone else agree with me (i’m sure you do after reading the posts lately).The way he is going, he’ll end up only to be traded like Latendress/Ribeiro/etc were and then becoming a superstar…

    My next question, can’t the team figure this out by now and realize that JM and/or Gauthier (actually Gauthier is less to blame) are wrong for this organization? Now, all teams go on losing streaks, it’s been 4 in 5 games, it’s not the end of the world, and we hope to bounce back. But this system will lead us to repeated middle of the pack team in the eastern conference and squeaking though the playoffs (see the last ~5 seasons, since the lockout) until something happens (hopefully sooner than later) to either make us a crappy team (12-15th place, which i doubt, we have an ok team overall)  and then develop through the draft for a 5 year plan (see Pittsburgh/Washington/Atlanta (they are eading for greatness wherever they end up)) or make us a great team with such changes being made, and certain good/great trades. I see no other option.

    The 1 option i have thought of lately is that President Boivin is leaving the club next year, and replaced by Molson. Maybe he can bring change to help us reach #25 (by implementing such things as higher the best coach period and trading for the best players available whatever language they speak), i don’t know. But as for now, i wouldn’t expect it any time soon, other than a miracle run such as last years.


    Does anyone else agree? I would really like your imput.

    Thank you, and, always and forever Go Habs Go!!!


    Happy Holidays to all (habs fans, lol)

  496. Bugs says:

    Aw, man, you shoulda been here last year. Give the system a chance.

    Yeah, Soobie COULD be traded away, but he could also turn into Markov, so let the system work so we can say which its gonna be. My money’s on him turnin into Markov but hey, I can’t see the future so who knows.

    The organization has problems figuring out that Jack Marty is a problem because in their delusional state, they’re of the opinion that makin it to the ECF with a rag-tag group of injured plumbers was a GOOD thing. Until they snap out of that halucination, I doubt they’ll address the problem.

    I also doubt a brewer knows more about NHL coach selection than Pierre Boivin does but either/or, that’s more Pierre Gauthier’s department. Unless you also want Gauthier to go?

    But rejoice, Fabby, for miracle runs are our specialty.

    Unquestionably unquestionable, I think I’m

    L. Bugs Potter, esq., Herzog of ze Abominable Habsuchtig Brigade, Markgraf of ze Fearsome Flanell Flausen Flank, und devoted minion of ze Habsbros Order: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  497. habsfan_61 says:

    now we have a 2year winning streak on dec. 23rd nice going boys

  498. habbyone says:

    Martin keeping Picard in the line up pays off.

  499. 123456 says:

    Price some BIG saves – good win boys!!

  500. terrygain says:

    Martin not effing around with the lines pays off. To achieve our potential we still need Pouliot (on Gomez’s line) and Subban back in the line-up. Weber continues to impress and I would play PK as a forward –  until JM realizes Spacek should sit.  


    Did anyone notice how those Maple Leaf fans are such sheep? They support management no matter what. It’s no wonder they haven’t won in 43 years.

  501. keepthefaith says:

    This is too funny. You want to break up our most effective line with Pouliot and you want Subban as a forward. And im the idiot? Now i know how bugs feels. 

  502. Everlasting1 says:

    What a heart stopper in St.Louis..Halak, sensational. Stops 35, inc. 3 breakaways. Blues hit the post twice on the open net lol Dagger undresses Osgoode on his breakaway for his 8th goal. Wowza.


    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  503. terrygain says:

    Our most effective line is 13-14-46. Pouliot should be on one of the top 2 lines. Pk should be playing. Picard was very solid, again, So yes, you are the idiot. Incognito and not educable. 


    Did anyone notice how those Maple Leaf fans are such sheep? They support management no matter what. It’s no wonder they haven’t won in 43 years.

  504. 123456 says:

    sabres has a heart breaker rather than stopper – down 3-0 after 1, battled back to make it 3-3 after 2. D pinches with control of puck late in teh third and gets tripped – florida goes the other way 2 on 1 and scores.

    habs played well but not without mistakes. i think gill has been terrible lately but didn’t notice any big mistakes from him tonight!! first two habs goals were nice passing plays and the picard goal was a nice shot

  505. Kramby says:

    Pouliot can’t handle the pressure of a regular top line player. He does fine on the third line. Give Max Pac a chance, I think he will impress.

    I would love to see Picard, Weber, and PK in the line up, but who do you sit? JM has decided his shut down pair is Hammer and Jaro. Can’t sit Gill or Georges.

  506. Psycho29 says:

    When did Halak get traded?

  507. Everlasting1 says:

    Only watched the scoreless 1st period. 3rd goal for Picard? Not bad.


    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  508. Everlasting1 says:

    Do a search.



    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

     Don’t pollute the water.

  509. Psycho29 says:

    The Toronto Waffle Thrower (TWT) is going to be interviewed on the CTV News in the next few minutes…

  510. keepthefaith says:

    I see you learned two new words. Congrats.

  511. terrygain says:

    There’s no logical basis for saying Pouliot can’t handle the pressure when he hasn’t been given a chance. Pacioretty has impressed, but he does not have Pouliot’s hands.  Gorges and Gill are the shut down pair. Spacek is ready for retirement. 


    Did anyone notice how those Maple Leaf fans are such sheep? They support management no matter what. It’s no wonder they haven’t won in 43 years.

  512. terrygain says:

    It’s at least the third time I’ve used those words in replies to your stupid comments. As Is clear, you are not very observant. Let me know when you get your second degree. 


    Did anyone notice how those Maple Leaf fans are such sheep? They support management no matter what. It’s no wonder they haven’t won in 43 years.

  513. Nahlsy says:

    So with all the doom, gloom and panic about tonight’s scratches how badly were the Habs massacred for it?

    I know Gomez and Picard’s heads were supposed to roll instead so I am sure they stunk the joint up as well, while the Habs got destroyed right?

  514. Kramby says:

    Pouliot has had numerous chances on the top 6, han’t been able to produce consistantely. With Max in the line up who do you think we should remove from the top 6?

    As for our shutdown pair it is Hammer and Jaro, I don’t agree with it but that is who JM uses whenever he can. I think we should try to trade one of them for a draft pick and then we can dress the three young guys and play each of them with a vet.

  515. Kramby says:

    Pouliot has had numerous chances on the top 6, han’t been able to produce consistantely. With Max in the line up who do you think we should remove from the top 6?

    As for our shutdown pair it is Hammer and Jaro, I don’t agree with it but that is who JM uses whenever he can. I think we should try to trade one of them for a draft pick and then we can dress the three young guys and play each of them with a vet.

  516. keepthefaith says:

    Thats why i said it dummy. You used them in every post. Go back to reading the dictionary. 

  517. Fab K says:

    Good points. I have been here, actually for the past 30 some odd years. take away all the greatness of the 70s, and 80s. 90s were so so, but we did win a cup. I’m actually talking about the last lets say 5-10 years. beginning of this millenium was a write off lets forget about that. But what i’m realllllly talking about is the post lockout NHL. This team continues to produce less than lackluster performances, year after year. This brings us to this year. i know that last year was an experiment, and it was a great ending, but seriously, do you really see a “contender” any time soon. No, not unless it’s a miracle like i stated. JM has only been here for about 2 seasons, and already we see that he is no good for this team (Gainey gaffed at the end of his tenure by hiring the best FRENCH coach, i guess that’s why he resigned). Look at all the posts concerning his “success” in Ottawa and how he can make good players doubt themselves (Spezza, etc). what happens when you doubt yourself? your performance goes down the drain. Now i’m not talking about the rest of the team (although seeing our latest effots confindence has been low. The RDS article points that), i’m talking about our “player development”. Seriously, we suck at that department. name 1 other than Markov, he was a product of last decade, that has become a really good player that we developped that is still on our team? You’ll find none!!! we’ve waisted talent year after year due to this system. now, i’m not calling for anyone’s head here, but something gotta change to get us out of the woods and become a premier team in this league. We haven’t been in the past, god i can’t even remember, 1990? 

    That’s my point.

    Also, i don’t want to see Gauthier go, yet. I haven’t seen much from him (small trades/ signings, nothing major). Actually, point me out if i’m wrong, but should he discuss with JM and let him know what he thinks? he is his boss after all. Gauthier didn’t hire JM, he inheritted him (and the rest of the team including Gainey’s offseason bonanza). You support your coach, but shouldn’t he point out the things JM is not doing well? Gauthier is not a coach i guess…. he lets JM coach.

    Concerning Molson, i think he will bring fresh air in our team, and i’m hoping he will anyalyze thoroughly the past years and demand changes, or else. in that fashion. This could very well be a good thing. Also, we need to stop listening to the media (french media should i say) and like i said hire the best coach/gm/player period. If he doesn’t speak french, hire a translater, anything.

    this is my 2 cents concerning this team. like it or not.

    one last thing i have to say about this. I’m French, mon nom est Fabien (well actually perfectly bilingual), and my statement about french coaches has nothing to do about language, but more about the quality of the coach hired. If that coach is deemed the best and is french, all the better. But please don’t hire a french coach because that’s what the media/fans want. These people want a good team, let’s do away with this necessity when hiring a coach and or player. It should not be required to be french to coach/play/gm here (i’m actually glad to see that we have limited french players on the team, not to say that i wouldn’t want a Lecavalier for example, or another french speaking player of his caliber but not salary, it’s gotta fit under the cap after all).


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