Afternoon delight

A PERFECT road game.

And an eighth shutout for Carey Price.

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  1. Bugs says:

    Oh, ok, I see the confusion now.

    I never said “ignored”.

    For me to suggest we ignore someone’s opinion isn’t worthy of me at all. Kinda surprised you would think that of me actually.

  2. Shiloh says:

    I’m certain they would find Bettman’s actions very puzzling. I’m sure they would concur that any other CEO who shat all over a major sponsor would be looking for a job. Cohen won the Edward R. Murrow award and is chief analyst for CBS – not Harvey’s Bar and Grill. I don’t think there would be too many with his credentials.

    Your sweeping response – that he can (and should) be ignored because he disclosed that he is a fan of the Habs – is not worthy of you.

  3. Bill says:

    Let’s see: the best players on each team are injured because they’re targets in a cheap-shot, embarassingly amateurish “major” league. Also, a corrupt league office has, as usualy, deployed a pair of WWE referees to do its bidding. Finally, our tax-payer subsidized “national” broadcaster has sent its C team to deliver the play by play.

    Think I’m skipping this one too. Get well soon Max!

    Full Breezer 4 Life

  4. punkster says:

    Wanna run that run on sentence by me again Bug? Starting with “It could be just…”. I think you’re asking where the sponsors were on earlier hits? If that’s the case then, hey, there’s always a tipping point, a unique event, that starts the ball rolling. A tsunami doesn’t start on its own. It takes a certain size earthquake in a special location to get it going.

    ***STOP THE MADNESS***

  5. Bugs says:

    I don’t know if I would qualify The Atlantic article as a “great piece” considering the author identifies himself as a lifelong Hab fan. I usually like my objectivity NON-partisan as much as possible but what the hell.

    The “great piece”-ness of it here seems to be an exact rehash of what everyone else is saying against the NHL in the wake of Chara avoiding suspension.

    It could be just as much a “great piece” defending the NHL for not throwing Chara to the wolves to appease its sponsors despite him having not transgressed worse than Cooke on Savard who was also acquitted, according to the rules in place and when same said sponsors were nowhere to be heard from.

    I think the “great piece”-ness of it in this situation rests on which you side you agree with.

  6. SeriousFan09 says:

    Stephen “What’s Goaltender Interference” Walkom and Brad Watson are the officials today.

     

    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  7. SLYDER says:

    Boone, I LOVE Saturday afternoon hockey – great way to start Saturday night.

    …plus the afternoon tall boys make it easier to listen to Grapes

  8. zak says:

    Read your article Mike but he just signed a new 5 year contract. What’s that say about the people who run the league?

  9. jew4jah says:

    Boone,

    there’s a BIG difference between a nuclear power plant exploded & there was an explosion at a nuclear power plant.

    chara = חרה

  10. smiler2729 says:

    Not to wish ill will on some fellow human being but…

    if Gary Bettman was mugged and the perp shoved him after taking his wallet, I sure hope he sustains a concussion.  He’d want the police to catch and prosecute the thug and we’d all call it a walk gone horribly wrong and see nothing wrong “these things happen”.

  11. SPATS says:

    Just read the Atlantic article. Nice to see this isn’t going to go away. While I don’t want to see another riot, it would be nice to see Bettman remain in the crosshairs along with Chara (and for that matter Lucic after what he did to Dominic Moore) The nepotism/cronyism is absolutely disgusting. As if Murphy isn’t kissing Clarence (oops I mean Colin) Campbells arse. Of course I’m biased, but c’mon! And props to Boone for posting the RT link to the blast at the Nuke station. Maybe a few of the sheep here will dig into RT. Very biased of course, but so is Fox news. Nice to get the other side of the story every once in a while. Kinda like the polar sides in our beloved MaxPac debacle.

    OOH AAH – HABS ON THE WARPATH!

  12. SPATS says:

    Agreed

    OOH AAH – HABS ON THE WARPATH!

  13. Ronin says:

    I was thinking the same thing as I read this….he WOULD be perfect.

  14. Ronin says:

    I was thinking the same thing as I read this….he WOULD be perfect.

  15. Danno says:

    Great article Spats.

    I guess it’s getting harder and harder for Buttman to keep this under the rug. Nice to see an American magazine calling for him to step down.

    This isn’t finished.

     

    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  16. HabFanSince72 says:

    Mr Boone –

    the author of that excellent Atlantic piece is Andrew Cohen.

    There is a columnist called Richard Cohen who writes for the Washinton Post and is one of the most insufferable pompous windbags on the American pundit scene. He is the guy who wrote:

    “Iraq not only hasn’t accounted for its weapons of mass destruction but without a doubt still retains them. Only a fool — or possibly a Frenchman — could conclude otherwise.”

     

     

  17. Mike Boone says:

    You’re right. I fixed it.

  18. Mike Boone says:

    Another great thing about the Internet: Stupidity instantly rectified

  19. yathehabsrule says:

    Though Sopel’s left hand is the one broken, I took a look at his last shift against Boston. He was tied up with Ryder and crashed awkwardly into the boards.

    http://habseyesontheprize.com/2011/3/11/2044896/habs-sopels-injury-likely-a-result-of-on-ice-collision

    Quite possibly this impact aggravated the hand or it’s a combination of the two.

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  20. yathehabsrule says:

    Dryden, as always, puts it well into perspective.

    Meanwhile, last week Steve Simmons (the semi self proclaimed king of all hockey media in Toronto) tried to contact him on the already dead horse beaten topic of teams moving back to Winnipeg or QC.

    He got blown off initially, and posted this blog which is humorous as Simmons was an initial skeptic to blogging/bloggers.

    http://blogs.canoe.ca/sportszone/general/what-happened-to-the-ken-dryden-i-know/

    He got a response, after Dryden read his whiny blog, afterwards.

    http://www.torontosun.com/sports/columnists/steve_simmons/2011/03/03/17486916.html

     

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  21. sidhu says:

    I am glad that the hit is getting attention outside of normal hockey circles. The Atlantic is a widely read, respected publication.

    I’ve had friends who don’t follow hockey at all approach me about the hit.  They’re turned off from the league — and I will no longer try to recruit fans to this sport.

    I don’t have any interest in watching non-Habs games anymore.

  22. sidhu says:

    I get the Post every day and it’s part of my routine to bypass his columns. 

  23. avatar_58 says:

    Once again I just don’t care anymore. I really hope this feeling goes away soon, or at least next season. As of right now I have nothing but disgust for this league. Win or lose, I honestly don’t feel it

  24. SeriousFan09 says:

    Bob Cole’s been released from his cryo chamber early to call the game for CBC.

     

    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  25. Harditya_CareyPrice says:

    Didn’t watch last game – and still debating on whether or not I should watch this one.

    Oh whatever, I’ll watch it today. But I am just not into it.

  26. HardHabits says:

    I am not sure this is going to change things but imagine if the numbers swell beyond the millions. Maybe it could be one salvo in the process of removing this slime bag from our game. Please sign up to this FB page:

    The Fire Gary Bettman Movement

    http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Fire-Gary-Bettman-Movement/77919447251

  27. Shiloh says:

    I don’t know, Bugs. The following appears with Cohen’s byline.

    Andrew Cohen has served as chief legal analyst and legal editor for CBS News and won a Murrow Award as one of the nation’s leading legal analysts and commentators.

    The fact that he is a fan of the Habs doesn’t detract from his inciteful description of the position in which Bettman has placed the league. As an accomplished legal analyst and a Murrow Award winner, I’d give him a pass on his choice of team.

  28. Josh says:

    I’m still lacking interest in hockey but I’m going to try and watch this game.

  29. Harditya_CareyPrice says:

    like!

  30. OverseasFan says:

    A report from the other side of the world.

    I was really surprised to see the MaxPac hit in articles in the London-based Financial Times and the Hong Kong-based South China Morning Post today. East Asia is NOT a hockey market. We never get NHL stories here.

    The stories were mostly on whether the NHL can suffer blows from the criticism, horrible violence, and sponsors threatening to pull out over health matters like Max Pac’s hit. They made Bettman’s comment about not flying Air Canada to look really stupid.

    Of course, they weren’t about the Habs/ Bruins. But Max’s broken neck, and the NHL’s lack of response, seems to be making noise outside hockey circles.

     I hate it when the only attention hockey gets is when something goes horribly wrong. But I’m also glad that this issue is getting attention.

    Boone — Thanks for the shout-out to Japan. It was a thoughtful reminder that there’s life outside of this game.

    Go Habs Go!

  31. Harditya_CareyPrice says:

    Let’s go Habs – win one for Max-Pac.

  32. Bugs says:

    Ergo, any award-winning chief legal analyst and legal editor would agree with him, yes?

    Even if they were.., let’s say, lifelong Bruins fans?

  33. Ian Cobb says:

    Do you think Bettman will show up at the game Tuesday night in Montreal?

    Listen to this,–http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO4XPedB9mA

  34. RGM says:

    Too bad that the apologists everywhere will simply point out that Dryden is just another biased Habs fan, that if it was a Canadiens player doing it to a Bruins player he would be silent, ask where was he before on other violent hits, and Gary Bettman himself will say that they can always turn to Rogie Vachon if they want the opinion of a goalie from the 1970s.

    Go Habs Go!

  35. Graves says:

    In an almost perverse way, I’m actually looking forward to hearing what Don Cherry has to say tonight on Coach’s Corner. See, the last few weeks Don’s been absolutely adamant that Steckel knew what he was doing when he hit Crosby. How’s he so sure? Simple: Steckel never looked back after the collision. Well, Chara never looked back either. And since every single person watching in the rink and at home heard the sickening sound of Max’s skull impacting on the stanchion loud and clear, you’d think that if Chara hadn’t known what he was doing he’d have looked back to see just what the hell had happened. Not to mention the fact that he’s shown next to no remorse – unless you count “huh-huh-huh, unfortunate, huh-huh-huh” as remorse.

    Ball’s in your court, Don. Not that I’m holding my breath.

  36. Lafrich says:

    For all those who think that the Chara hit was a hockey hit gone wrong, can anyone show me a clip of an interference play similar to that of Chara’s along the boards on the other side of the rink where, in a similar manner, the defenceman lays out the onrushing player by drilling him head-first into the non-dangerous part of the rink?

    I just want to have a comparison. Can’t find one? So defenseman usually don’t interfere by CRUSHING a player into the boards? You’re saying they usually just slow them up? Just as I thought.

  37. Miltie01 says:

    All this whinning and moaning, editorial writing, political intervention, corporate self rightousness etc. etc. will do nothing !!! The only people who can effect immediate change in the NHL are the players. They are the ones who make the dangerous hits. They are the ones who choose to make them irregardless of the consequences….whether it be a suspension from the league, or more importantly the injuring of their fellow player. Until they decide to get their heads out of their asses this will not change.

     

    If the league really wants to help in the process I have an idea. Make them start next season wearing pads from the 1940’s. Respect and safety would be established within the first 5 games !!!

  38. Shiloh says:

    I actually think that Cherry will come down very, very hard on Chara. Ron (the Weasel) MacLean will do his level best to carry Bettman’s water.

  39. temekuhabs says:

    Benny has got to get going!!

  40. Habnofear says:

    you tube Scott Stevens….In fact  ,a crushing hip check given to Bobby Orr who by then had no lateral movement and pretty well ended Orr’s Career,  by Larry Robinson to the applause of the fans at the forum!

  41. Danno says:

    NO.

    That weasel-faced money-grubbing bastard is going to hide his weasel @ss deep down some weasel hole.

    Mr. Bettman you are not welcome in Montreal. You have been warned.

     

     

    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  42. Shiloh says:

    Apologies – you did not say ignore. You did suggest that his choice of team precluded the article from greatness. I don’t agree.

    But – I’m calling a huge game for Benny this afternoon. Two goals, an assist and a couple of big hits.

  43. Bugs says:

    No, I’m suggesting his partisanship may preclude his article from objectivity, and that a “great piece” could’ve just as well as been written exposing contrary views.

  44. Shiloh says:

    His article concentrated on legal and CEO-performance issues – neither of which touches on his choice of teams. It would be well-nigh impossible to construct a “great” argument in support of Bettman’s regime.


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  1. Chris says:

    Read my original reply, and tell me what statement was wrong, Andrew.  And please tell me where I’ve inferred that you are wrong.  I did nothing but state MY OPINION.  Who do you think you are to then state that my opinion, which I have formed on my years of watching hockey, is less correct than your own?  THAT is unreasonable, and if you can’t see how that is so, then this conversation is pointless.

    You can not be wrong when stating an opinion.  I can disagree with your opinion, but I can’t in good conscience state that you are wrong in that opinion because I am discounting your ability to form your own opinions.  I disagreed with you, I posted my reasons, and nowhere did I attack you.  The only fact I will claim to have posted was that Groulx has only served as a goaltending coach for 2 seasons previous to coming to Montreal.  Based on that fact, I stated my opinion that there is hardly enough of a body of work on which to judge Groulx’s ability to work with goaltenders.

    Your reply, that I was wrong based on the first year performance of Melanson with Luongo behind a banged up patchwork defence in Vancouver this season, was confrontational.  Do you not see the utter inanity of that comment being used to reinforce your argument that Groulx hasn’t failed with a goalie when you look at the year Carey Price had last year?  Seriously…that is some seriously flawed logic.

    You take issue with my saying that Vokoun had an off-year, basing your rebuttal on his save percentage.  Take a look at his goals against average versus the numbers he posted before and after that season as well as his career average…is it not equally fair for me to base my opinion on that number?  Are we not both basing our arguments on “observable facts”, as you called it?  So who is wrong, then?  Does somebody have to be wrong? 

  2. andrewberkshire says:

    You’re free to disagree with me, stop acting like I’m being unreasonable, Chris. It’s petty and immature. You’re allowed to be wrong too, you know.

  3. Bob_Sacamano says:

    No, you did not.

  4. Chris says:

    Sorry to disagree with you, Andrew.  It won’t happen again.

  5. andrewberkshire says:

    Don’t know what info you’re using, because Vokoun has been above his career average numbers every year in Florida for save%. You stated that the same things could be applied to Melanson, but they can’t. He’s been very limited for several years now, basically good with about half the goaltenders he’s worked with, bad with the other half. Bad for Luongo and Price, good for Halak and Huet. Groulx has been good for Vokoun, Anderson, Price and Halak. Unquestionably. This isn’t a matter of opinion, Chris. It’s very simply observable. So yes, your statment was incorrect. You were wrong.

  6. Chris says:

    Should I point out that Vokoun had one of his worst seasons the first year he played for Groulx?  Or that Carey Price had his worst season as a professional last year while working under Groulx?  Does that make you wrong too? 

    We differ in opinion.  Doesn’t make either of us right or wrong.

    The need to be “right” or annoint the other side as “wrong” is pretty lame, Andrew, and completely beneath you.  Take that advice how you wish.

  7. andrewberkshire says:

    And Roberto Luongo, who’s been atrocious all season, so you’re wrong.

  8. yathehabsrule says:

    Must be serious to shelve him. He took a slapshot off the bucket last season and , if not mistaken, only missed the next practice.

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  9. Danno says:

    Who knows how JM’s mind works?

     

    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  10. yathehabsrule says:

    Thats what I was thinking. LOL

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  11. avatar_58 says:

    I for one am astonished the HABS for once have an ironman. I thought that wasn’t possible? We always get stuck with the injury prone or whiney (Tanguay….)

  12. Mike Boone says:

    This hockey, man. He could have anything from a broken neck to Asperger’s Syndrome.

  13. SeriousFan09 says:
    My lucky day: The Molson cannon just fired a tee-shirt into he pressbox. Guess who was in the right place at the right time?

    It hit the pressbox? Someone’s been juicing that sucker up.

     

    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  14. Danno says:

    Sort-of-rhymes-with-“loot”-bags…

    Fresh-fruit bags?

    The Molson cannon just fired a tee-shirt into he pressbox. Guess who was in the right place at the right time?

    Dustin Boyd?

     

    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  15. Chris says:

    Sitting out a few games to watch, reflect and adjust his game last year sure didn’t seem to harm Carey Price, judging from his performance.

    Sometimes you need a kick in the rear from your coach to get the message. And maybe it is something different, such as a nagging injury. With the amount that Subban gets run by the other team, I wouldn’t be shocked if that were the case. And the team certainly wouldn’t advertise it if it were the case, as the opposing players would target him even more if they knew he had a nagging injury, much the way they did when Komisarek’s nagging injuries became known in his last couple of seasons here.

  16. tony d says:

    But Mike, does the T-shirt fit?

  17. SeriousFan09 says:

    Craig Anderson was never starter-quality under he worked with Groulx though, he’d been bouncing around the league until a couple seasons working with Groulx and now he’s the #1 goalie for the Avalanche.

    Melanson tried to make Carey switch his style, that style that had to that point, had led him to the most successful single-season performance in junior goalie history with the WJC, CHL honours not to mention his AHL Playoff MVP title. He tried to change Price and it did nothing but damage his ability. Groulx got him back to playing the way he should play.

     

    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  18. joeybarrie says:

    PK SUBBAN’s name is on the score sheet for nhl.com.

    But does it mean he is playing???

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  19. Thomas says:

    Could be, but then you’d think it’d be Gorges sitting, not PK.  Who knows the mind of Martin, the guy is made of stone

  20. SeriousFan09 says:

    Gomez better work hard, he’s now 1 goal behind Ilya Kovalchuk!

     

    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  21. Chris says:

    “Looking at every goalie he’s coached they’ve all turned in great performances consistently.”

    The same could be said of Roland Melanson, with the exception of one young kid who is widely acknowledged to have had questionable work habits until he was forced by Jacques Martin to fight for his job last season.

    Price was pretty much expected to be the #1 goalie for Canada’s world junior team when he was 18, but turned in a poor season and had a poor tryout with the team, ultimately losing a job that was his to lose to Justin Pogge.  Melanson had little, if anything, to do with that failure on Price’s part.

    Price was a young kid who needed to get his butt kicked.  Martin did it, and we’re seeing the rewards of that.  I don’t see any reason to point solely to Groulx for this, as he was also in place last season when Price had his worst year as a professional.

    Instead, I think the credit belongs to Melanson & Groulx as goalie coaches, Martin as a head coach who finally forced Carey Price to become accountable as a professional hockey player and most of all to Carey Price himself for re-dedicating himself to his craft and learning the very, very hard lesson that was given to him last year when he lost his job as the #1 goalie.

    By the way, Groulx was only the goaltending coach in Florida for two seasons (2007-08 and 2008-09)…prior to that, he served as the video coach for the Panthers for two seasons after five seasons as the Ottawa Sentors’ video coach.  So I’m not sure we really have that much of a sample set on which to judge his efficacy…he’s only coached 4 goalies at the NHL level (Vokoun, Anderson, Halak and Price), with three of those goalies already somewhat establishing their career arcs before he began his tutelage.

  22. avatar_58 says:

    Btw – does anyone know what Gorges injury is? He’s playing through it lately, but what is it? When did he suffer it? I mean he gets banged up night in and night out, it’s hard to tell. Ironman-Josh is a warrior

  23. Danno says:

    Just a theory. Maybe PK was sitting not only because of his gaffes. Maybe he was tired and possibly hurting a bit. And maybe Webber’s role will be to relieve players when they need a small break from the action. It’s good to have depth in the D like that and it could result in much fewer injuries.

     

    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  24. 24 Cups says:

    Dave – I doubt that Calgary would ever let Iginla go, but if they did it would cost the Habs a fair bit.  He has two more years to go (after this year) at $7M a season so that might negate re-signing Markov.  Everyone is ready to spend the Hamrlik cap space but most of that is going to have to go to shoring up the D.  We would also have to re-sign Price and Subban in the last year of Iginla’s contract.  Our top six forwards would be making a combined $34M before we even look at the remaining 16 players.

    Then there’s what Calgary would want in return.  They need to save face with their fans (especailly after Burke picked their pocket) so at least two regulars need to go the other way.  Who would they be? Well it won’t be Boyd.   As well, they would want a top prospect, probably two.  I’m not talking about the Hamilton wannabes, it would be more like Kristo, MaxPac, or Tinordi.

    We’re talking about a premiere player who is the face of the franchise and plays for Team Canada.  He won’t come cheap.

  25. Thomas says:

    Don’t know if this is official or not, but here’s what their saying on CJAD

    http://www.cjad.com/Blog/HabsNews/blogentry.aspx?BlogEntryID=10169961

  26. Danno says:

    RDS is reporting that it could be Gorges sitting today meaning both PK and Webber would play.

     

    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  27. WarHero says:

    +1

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  28. OneTimer says:

    Haha…I don’t get it.

  29. PeterD says:

    I agree with JM if PK sits another game…the kid is very talented but still raw and needs to refine his game to be less individual and more team focused…we win or lose as a team…his flambouyance and soo bee doos are exciting but too risky in the big league…HE IS A ROOKIE!

    Sitting out a few games to watch , reflect and adjust his game will not break him..I believe it will only help improve his game and very quickly he will be even more reliable that he i.s today.

     

  30. jew4jah says:

    i say give gumby (gorges) a rest. 

    i think he’s playing hurt. (i think he always plays a bit hurt, he absorbs everything)

  31. Josh says:

    Is Gorges in the warm-up as well?

  32. andrewberkshire says:

    Groulx deserves a ton of credit, as does Habs management for hiring him. Looking at every goalie he’s coached they’ve all turned in great performances consistently.

    Martin should definitely be considered for the Adams, however this sitting Subban thing is making me skeptical. It’s very easy to see Subban is one of the best defensemen and players on this team when you look at his play in all 3 zones and the underlying numbers. Ridiculous to keep him out of the lineup in favour of Picard.

  33. Rugger says:

    So if I understand you correctly, you would prefer to have the Habs be a one D team, if PK’s out the D sucks.  I would prefer a shut out to show that no matter who plays, the D is solid.

  34. 24 Cups says:

    Pete – An interesting and detailed post.  I agree with many of your points and player evaluations. 

    Hamrlik was great last year when Markov was injured but he kind of fell apart near the end from overuse.  Spacek runs pretty hot and cold and is doomed to play the right side.  Picard seems calm, cool and collected and should be able to play 3rd pairing minutes throughout the year.  Weber has just played one game so who knows what he can handle, especially when playoff style hockey begins.

    MAB and Johnsson?  They can both move and shoot the puck but are shaky in their own end.  Health issues are are also a concern for both players.  As well, neither guy brings any kind of a physical presence to the game.  Top pair minutes?  In their dreams.

    In terms of the elusive sixth forward, I think we have to be careful when we automatically assume that MaxPac or Eller can handle the job during the playoffs.  Both these guys are pretty raw with very limited NHL experience.  They show promise but may be a few years away from being able to handle a pressure packed role.  Pouliot probably stands the best chance, but if that’s going to happen then he needs to take on the role right now.  Let him get climatized to the position before the playoffs begin.  Moen gets an A for effort but doesn’t belong on a top line.

  35. JFriedman says:

    RDS reporting Martin is sitting PK again….

    What the heck is this guy thinking!?!?!

    Mr. Molson, please fire him!

  36. WarHero says:

    Like i say, I’m knocking Subban, I love the kid!! However, what he did in Edmonton was stupid, and unfortunately, Martin won’t put up with that. I seriously dont think Martin is doing it to hurt the kid, nor to hinder his style, it’s a simple “Don’t do stupid shit like that when we are leading the game” message, nothing more. PK will get it, come back and thill us all once more … just not when were leading in the 3rd 😉

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  37. sholi2000.com says:

    If anyone other than puckdaddy wrote an article like that I’d consider it. Say Bob Mac, or Jason M lol, heck especially Julie.

    They Call Me Shane

  38. avatar_58 says:

    Hard to say, because I suggest if we lost Plekanec we’d have a far worse record. Price can only stop so many you know.

  39. darcy1 says:

    love the sharks intro that they have on that page.

  40. Fargo Habs Fan says:

    I’d say so.  To put up the kind of start he has in this city, in light of all the trade controversy, fan “love,” and so on.  But if he gives up four today, trade the bum for a bag o’ pucks!

    -Dustin-

  41. avatar_58 says:

    I don’t know about you, but if I see Spacek dive and trip up a questionable breakaway one more time…….it’s like he doesn’t even attempt to over skate the guy. Just DIIIIIIIVE – SLASH – another penalty for Spacek. He drove me nuts all last season with that stuff.

    Whereras I can link a nice video of Subban not only overtaking the skater, but pokechecking the puck with touching him illegally. That to me is worth more than a failed soobie-doo or two.

  42. HardHabits says:

    It’s nice to see Price get recognized, but to be honest, I’d say no. Vezina maybe. He is playing outrageosuly well but give credit to JM’s system. Credit the Habs with making goalies look great. It’s part of their tradition. I’d love to see Price get some hardware though. One that gets his initials engraved on it. 😉

    I seriously think JM shoud be a coach of the year candidate though. Anybody who thinks this team’s success doesn’t lie squarely on JM’s shoulders doesn’t know squat about hockey.

    Pierre Groulx (thanks for correcting me a few threads ago guys) has worked wonders with Price and has undone Melanson’s damage so he should be given kudos as well.

  43. Bob_Sacamano says:

    If true that is just a completely ridiculous decision by JM. Why not give Spacek a break or Gill? Yes, Gill is sometimes fantastic shorthanded but FFS: You scratch your most talented D-Man and let one of the slowest in the league play for the second consecutive game? I really hope we play a real bad game defensively and get a lucky and undeserved 6-5 win in OT.

  44. Fargo Habs Fan says:

    Clearly this afternoon start has shaken my game.  I haven’t even gotten a chance to start thinking (drinking) yet.  Thank you for setting me straight!

    -Dustin-

  45. WarHero says:

    I’d say he pretty damn close Steve. The only other player I would look to right now is Crosby, considering the start that the Pens had. That kid is a hockey machine.

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  46. Just A Guy says:

    In this world of equals, one should always carry a measuring stick.

  47. christophurrr says:

    that article is barely readable. so many ads and other stupid shit strewn throughout. damn yahoo!

     

    he’s gotta be considered at this point, though.

  48. OneTimer says:

    What are you talking about Dustin, being an HI/O member entitles us to second guess every one of the coach’s decisions! Don’t you know we’re on the same level as him? Shape up your attittude son 😉

  49. RJB says:

    Anybody know why we are playing at 2, is Bieber back again tonight? I know Boone has tickets…

    “I don’t know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.”
    – Bilbo Baggins

  50. Fargo Habs Fan says:

    Agreed!  I liked his game better when he was just a jerk!  😉

    -Dustin-

  51. WarHero says:

    I can’t agre that PK has been the worst, but I agree that he seems to be the only one taking crazy chances that are costing us big goals. That being said, you can’t sit the vets who aren’t making those kinds of mistakes.

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  52. Fargo Habs Fan says:

    I had been one of Martin’s biggest critics, but he’s proven me wrong over the past year or so.  From my perspective, I don’t understand sitting PK again today.  My perspective, however, is from the edge of my couch with a cold one in hand.  I’m glad I don’t get paid to make the hard decisions.

    -Dustin-

    Anyone going to the Habs game in Minnesota, March 20?

  53. SeriousFan09 says:

    Stubbs reports Gorges is taking warm-up but is questionable, JM will not confirm Subban’s status for the game.

     

    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  54. avatar_58 says:

    You’re joking right? Gill – allowing several breakaways, Spacek and Hamr not being able to clear the zone, etc? Gorges having bobbling issues in our own end?

     

    I say our D in general has had issues the past few games. If not for the epic PK abilities we’d be calling for their heads. Really silly to suggest PK is the worst of the bunch.

  55. HardHabits says:

    PK’s game changed when he started respecting his opponents.

    BTW it’s Weber

  56. SeriousFan09 says:

    Not really, Gill and Spacek have had some very bad outings in the last stretch. Our over-35 crew tend to have good and bad nights and we don’t know when those nights are going to be.

     

    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  57. 24 Cups says:

    Is Carey Price the most valuable player in the NHL so far?

  58. HardHabits says:

    As long as the team plays team defense your post becomes moot. Markov absence hurts short-term but the Habs got by without him for most of last season and most of the play-offs. Their achilles heel was up front against the Flyers. They got shut-out in 3 of 5 games. Markov in the line-up might’ve changed a few goose eggs bit invariably it was the inability of the forwards to penetrate the dirty zones that killed them in that series.

    The expression if it aint broke…..

    I’d rather the Habs wait until the trade deadline to see what’s available. If at any point a team is desperate it’s still better to deal from a strong position. I doubt that the Habs are going to sell the farm at a one-off anymore. Building a championship team takes time and baby steps.

    My choice is that the Habs get a true bonafide top 6 power forward, with soft hands and that can scrap. Iginla would be the type of player I’d hope the Habs seek out. Hopefully Calgary decides to rebuild and tank a few seasons like Edmonton is doing. If that’s the case the Habs would have to give something up, but not need to completely lay bare the cupboards.

    Nevertheless, it’s still early in the post-Markov era. Let’s see how the cards fall after the December road trip. If the Habs prove to be road warriors then I’d say stay the course. If not I’d have to say cross that bridge when we get there.

  59. Wops says:

    Totally disagree

  60. Wops says:

    Fearless prediction:If habs trail in this game. Will hear some PK! PK! PK! PK! from the stands.

     

    Ridiculous to sratch your third best player…

    for 2 mistakes…after playing 25min….off course when you try you make mistakes…maybe he should just flip the puck on the glass all the time…that way JM wont scratch him…great decision

  61. andrewberkshire says:

    Completely disagree. Gill has been atrocious during that time. Gorges has been struggling ever since he got his injury. Spacek only looks good when Hamrlik is playing his ass off.

  62. HabFanSince72 says:

    This will be controversial but …

    I would suggest that over the last 10 games or so PK has been our worst defenceman. He makes more mistakes than the others, some of which lead to goals. He has not figured out how to be the qb on the pp.

    He’s going to be a good one for sure, but right now I’m not sure he deserves to play if Webber can continue to do the job (a big if).

     

  63. Landof10000lakesHab says:

    Andrei Markov has been the Habs ATOI leader the past several years, a top five PP QBack who produces more points than most 2nd line players in the NHL, and a top pair D-man on most NHL teams. It is almost impossible to overstate the importance of Markov to the Habs defense, despite recent team success without his services.

    With Markov out for remainder of season – is there support within the Habs organization to cover top pair minutes?

    ·          Although PK has the confidence of a future top pair D-man, recent events show that it may be best for his growth and Habs long term success for JM to slot PK as 2nd / 3rd pairing with bonus PP time, for now. 

    ·         That leaves Hamrlik, Spacek, Gill, & Gorges. Probable over short term, possible for remainder of season, and questionable if Habs have significant playoff hopes.

    ·          Hamrlik and Spacek are prime candidates to wear down if top pair minutes on a regular basis.

    ·          Gorges is a solid #4 D-man and has been Habs ATOI leader this season.

    ·          Gill as #5 works. Terrific on PK, a team leader, but susceptible to speed burn from top line forwards.

    ·          Picard has performed admirably as #6 / 7. Not a top 4 for Habs.

    ·          Weber performed well against NJ and can assist the PP but has not yet shown consistent top 6 D-man skill.

    ·          Carle is a lighter mix of Picard & Weber, and may not get another look.

    What I am suggesting is that there is no true #1 D with Markov out, no current top flight #2, at least four D-man that fill spots #3 & 4, and a competent mix of last pairing. Does this cast resemble a top 4 playoff seed?

    A number of posts suggest the Habs should bring in a top 6 forward with the LTIR $$. Really? Really??  JM appears to have internal options to fill the 2nd line opening (Pouliot, Eller, MaxPac) when & if he feels the need.  Yes, the D has been successful up to this point, but could we not agree that JM’s Team D philosophy and CP’s Vezina like start have as much or more to do with the Habs success? What happens when CP has several tough outings?  Is this D strong enough to cover?  Is there is one D-man on the roster capable of playing top pair minutes over the long haul?

    Should PG be seeking a top flight D option outside the organization?

    UFA signing? (MAB / Kim Johnsson)  How many of us were holding a collective breath with MAB in the D zone last year or how about on the PP where a relatively simple pass would inexplicably leap over MAB’s stick, creating a SHG rush by the opposing team? Yes, there was the booming shot and several PP goals, but I would ask you if there has been a less reliable D-man in a Habs uni over the last several years?

    Trade now? Habs Org depth is starting to rally over the last couple years – does PG trade valuable assets for a top pair D-man? Keep in mind there are only a handful in the NHL that may be available and note that PG would not be dealing from a position of strength if seeking a trade based on need over the next few months.

    Wait for Feb 28th trade deadline / short term rental?  Maybe. Would hope any PG move to bring in a D-man would be for more than a short term rental. With Hamrlik and Gill UFA at end of season, with the need to lock Gorges up LT, and with the uncertainty of Markov’s future, the D situation may become a serious issue going forward.

    This setback will impact negotiations and term potential on Markov retention, but as several posters have noted “ Markov at 80% is better than anything the Habs could possibly find on the market”. PG will likely sign this 32 yr old for multiple years, as Habs Mgmt & fans know that Markov has a Canadian size heart to match the citizenship status.

  64. punkster says:

    Just a few pre-game musings from punkster’s armchair:

    • I’ll miss the opening faceoff whilst driving to relatives. Maybe that’s for the best as this game should be a doozy, HI/O will be on fire and the rampup is already getting on my nerves. A nice drive in the country before settling in to the game may help.
    • If PK sits again they will be a storm of protest on here. Unfortunately JM will be the target whether we win or lose, particularly if we lose. I think it’s important to remember two things; first, who made the on-ice errors and second, who is the coach. It’s a learning process and JM is a teacher of the highest order. (and that comment alone will bring a wrath of unreasonability down upon my head)
    • It will be interesting to see who the Sharks try to check the closest today. Will it be the Pleks line or will it be any line Gomez happens to land with? Oddly enough I think this may have a considerable impact on whether we win or lose today.
    • This place can be such a hoot. Between insensitivity or misplaced humour on one side and misinterpretation or over-reation on the other the comment counts just keep on rising. I wonder, do any of us actually click on the ads or is it all about posturing?
  65. christophurrr says:

    ugh, will have to sit price in fantasy tonight, i think.

     

    i have thomas, bryz and price. bruins  vs. leafs (thomas better start!), coyotes vs. panthers.

     

    not to be a debbie downer, but i like the other guys’ chances more than price’s

  66. ajpursell says:

    The Sharks are shakiest on their D right now, and both their goalies can be really inconsistent. Logan Couture is a talent to watch, but the forwards whiff the puck a lot, and they can play a horrid passing game that makes some of my friends out here drink. If the Habs can play the full 60 they should be able to break the W-L streak they have going on.

  67. WarHero says:

    Well folks, just woke up and remembered that todays game was on @ 2pm.
    Since I have nothing to do today, that is just wonderful news! The “A” game better be in place and for the full 60 minutes. That
    line of Thorton, Marleau & Heatley can burn you at any moment if
    your not carefull. Let’s also not forget, Clowe & Couture. I am sure
    Couture is still riding the high from his 2 goal performance against
    Ottawa.

    Bold prediction: Cammalleri gets 2, including the game winner!

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A little something from video scout Jarred Friedman to get you in the mood for 3 p.m. hockey.

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Afternoon delight


Canadiens excelled in all aspects of the game to win 4-1.

Great work by all four lines.

Cristobal Huet superb.

A huge W, and Super Bowl weekend is off to a super start.

Alex Kovalev got a leg up on the February Molson Cup by being named first star and talked about the team’s high level of confidence.

"We put a lot of traffic in front of (Rick DiPietro)," Kovalev said. "We know how good he is when he sees the puck. On a few goals we scored today, he couldn’t see the puck. It’s definitely  harder for the goalie."

Kovalev was asked if he enjoyed the 3:12 he played on the Canadiens’ PK.

"As long as I’m skating, as long as I’m on the ice I enjoy it," he said. "We do our best. The PK wasn’t great through the first half of the season.

"Coach decided to use me once in a while. It looks like it works. I don’t mind. The more he trusts me, the mmore he trusts all the players, the better we play."

In Kovy we trust.

Bring on the Rangers. 

 

 

 

394 Comments

  1. The Teacher says:

    Sweet passing.

  2. The Teacher says:

    For some reason I’m getting a blow-out feeling.

  3. 24 Cups says:

    amen.

    The Original 24 Cups

  4. Mike says:

    I feel like koivu higgins and ryder don’t speak to eachother. They are so disorganized and the only thing i can think of is that they hate each other and refuse to speak 😉

  5. Alirio says:

    Nice!

    Higgy makes them hold him!


    I’ve made a huge mistake…

  6. 24 Cups says:

    If Lats turns out to be as good as Goulet (CBC) then we’re laughing.

    The Original 24 Cups

  7. Les-Habitants says:

    I heard about Cole to, from TSN but it just mentioned him as rumored..
    I’d love to sign him.

    Bouchard from the Wild would also be a good fit, if we can get him in the off-season.

  8. Mike says:

    true, but what would we give in return?

  9. The Teacher says:

    Smolinski mouthing the anthem! IN FRENCH!

  10. Mike says:

    I heard rumours of eric cole being available. you hear anything boone?

  11. showey47 says:

    martin st.louis, especially with the bolts sucking so bad and may want to dump some salary.

  12. Mike says:

    Anyways, I just went searching through every team in the league and i can’t see 1 possible suitor that we can trade with for a winger, except Brad boyes from stl.

  13. Deano says:

    No BOB COLE … there is a god

  14. Bill H says:

    Nobody is laughing at Montreal. And of course UFAs are going to talk with us if Bob is inquiring about their availability. Why wouldn’t they? And the UFAs that are signing elsewhere do so because they are getting better offers elsewhere. That’s the whole idea of the UFA system that the NHLPA negotiated. Just about all of the players that BG wasn’t able to sign have not lived up to expectations. So BG was being realistic about their value while the teams where they signed mostly overpaid.

    Starting this summer, we will have even more interest from UFAs because we will be recognized as contenders. UFAs sign with contenders for a discount because of the chance to win some silverware. But even so, I believe that BG will continue to be conservative with regard to UFA signings as we have most of the pieces to the puzzle already. Number one priority would be someone who can fill in for what Ryder was giving us last year. When we get that line producing, our future outlook changes dramatically. Jokinen could be that player, but he is not UFA and we would have to give up too much to get him.

  15. Les-Habitants says:

    oh, no idea…all i heard is that Breezer and Dandy were going to get at least one of the 2 games this weekend, but no references as to which one

  16. Ian G Cobb says:

    Mike Boone–About Hamilton summit, April 11, please check Dave Stubbs thread to day where it was posted today. So you might want to mention it on here for us. Thanks –Ian

  17. The Teacher says:

    Haha, thanks guys. looks like we are just as excited as the Kids are today?

  18. Mike says:

    wasnt it official that brisbois and dandy were put in and tk and begin out?
    thats the only reason why I said it.

  19. Chuck says:

    The game is also being shown at http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/

    2pm start.

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    ______________________________________
    “All bow down before the Komisaurus Rex!”

  20. RH says:

    puck usually drops about ten after.

  21. RH says:

    According to the CBC, it’s on CBC.

  22. Chuck says:

    And according to cbc.ca it’s on at 2pm.

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    ______________________________________
    “All bow down before the Komisaurus Rex!”

  23. Les-Habitants says:

    no Tk or Begin? I thought TK played well enough, and I doubt they’re gonna move Streit from the blueline yet

  24. Les-Habitants says:

    lol, well, here’s my 2 cents:

    I still think we need Streit…offensive creatively is one thing that is really hard to teach, easier to teach being responsible in own zone ect.

    Plus, if the Blues want to demonstrate to their fan base they are moving forward, Boyes is a must sign. Lee has been a solid contributer as well.

    That is also a lot lot to give up, prospect wise, and for a rental in the Habs position I don’t think it’d be worth it…

  25. Mike says:

    according to yahoo its on cbc

  26. Mike says:

    sergei-koivu-ryder
    andrei-pleks-kovalev
    higgins-lapiere lats
    streit-smols-dandy

  27. showey47 says:

    it would be a nice trade but considering they are only 3 points out of the playoffs and have games in hand on everyone in the conference i don’t see them giving up their top goal scorer.

  28. The Teacher says:

    Umm for those who said it’s on CBC at 2 PM. It is 1:52 and skiing is on.

    Does that mean the game starts at 2:30PM?

  29. Les-Habitants says:

    Question: do you play Ryder? Or do you put Sergei on the Koivu line and put Dandy with the Lats and lap?

  30. Mike says:

    btw im asking for opinions on that.

  31. Les-Habitants says:

    lol, true…although I still wish Smyth had signed here..he would have been a real nice addition on the Koivu line.

    Anywho, if Gainey does anything it won’t be big. At most, I see Gainey trading Ryder for that defensive centre he mentioned earlier this season.

  32. Mike says:

    Brad boyes and lee stempniak and first and 3rd rounder for ryder, streit, grabs, Joe Stejskal and a first rounder

  33. Mike says:

    how about if we send grabs or locke?

  34. Les-Habitants says:

    I’m actually of the mind that Streit is under-rated. From the games I’ve watched, while he could stand to be a lot more physical, no blue-liner minus Markov can move or pass the puck as well as Streit does. He is a big reason, along with Kovalev and Markov, why we are enjoying a higher percentage PP then last year.

    Hammer’s struggles aren’t because of Streit. Hammer was playing with Breezer before, and I think you’d have a hard time convincing ppl that Streit is more irresponsible then Breezer. Streit is a solid defensman, but has great offensive instincts which help this team a lot.

  35. showey47 says:

    especially if we can hold onto or improve our current standings and make some serious noise in the playoffs. We will not be a “leverage” team for ufa’s anymore

  36. Mike says:

    Streit is very much over-rated. He can’t keep the puck in on the line. He freezes when opponents preassure him. He has a DECENT shot. He is playing well because he has some offensive mind set, and he has markov and kovalev on his team. The offense can be taught. but his lack of defense can’t. he is why hammerlik hasnt been playing so well as of late because hammerlik is responsible for the entire blue line while streit is skating around. Streit value will never be higher and with his 600k cap hit for this year. It will never be a better time to trade him,.

  37. Exit716 says:

    McGuire said Jokinen is headed to the Western Conference.
    What marquee free agent is going to sign in Montreal?
    They all do the song and dance and drive their price up with the Habs interest and then laugh at the team and Gainey and sign somewhere else.
    Oh how is Mullet-head Smyth doing these days in Colorado?

  38. christophurrr says:

    yeah, i’m sure st. louis would go for that……………………..

  39. Les-Habitants says:

    We also need Streit at this point to run the PP, more so I’d say then we need Boyes.

    Re-signing Streit, along with Huet, should be Gainey’s two main off-season priorities

  40. Mike says:

    Brad boyes anyone? St. louis need pp specialists. Ryder + streit? maybe throw in 1st rounders from both teams?

  41. Les-Habitants says:

    Agree 100%

  42. Les-Habitants says:

    I have to agree with Habs-Kat on this one, I don’t see the need for the Habs to be that active by the deadline. While there is potential for a deep playoff run this year, I would rather Gainey try to make moves in the off-season then risk messing with the chemistry on the team and, more importantly, give up valuable roster players and prospects for a rental.

    Getting Olli would be great, but rentals seem to be most usefull when they are in a supporting role (i.e Weight and Recchi) then when they attempt to become a leading offensive contributer (i.e Forsberg, Tkachuk).

    Olli is also in the middle of his contract, and he plus GM/Coach Martin have both denied over and over again that he’ll be traded.

  43. showey47 says:

    i don’t see gainey acquiring any big named player unless the other team is willing to take ryder as the key player and that just won’t happen. Gainey won’t give up the core players like higgy, komi, pleks kosts brothers unless a player like vinny comes into play.

    Not looking too far ahead but gainey will get his man this summer via ufa. The only hole in the lineup that will probably need addressing in the top line forward, unlike last summer where we needed a top line forward,a top 3 dman and some checking forwards. We got 3 of the 4 but this july gainey can focus his efforts and dollars on the one player we need, this is my opinion and its open to debate.

  44. sag says:

    Anyone that wouldn’t involve Higgins to get Jokinen simply has not seen Jokinen play. He is a poor man’s Sundin (and not that poor!). Big, strong, soft hands, wears the C for a reason. No brainer in my opinion. And by the way LeClaire was in another league from Higgins as well.

  45. Steiner says:

    The way Gainey has played his cards from the get-go I would be shocked to see Higgins being shipped out in some sort of package for Jokinen.

  46. Habs-Kat says:

    There’s nothing on this team that I want to give up that the Panthers would take for Jokinen. UFA acquisitions are the safest. Case closed.

  47. 24 Cups says:

    All this Jokinen talk is old news on this site (sorry Mike) – we went through it on another thread a few days ago.

    Forberg is another deal altogether. He may well be done and could get hurt at any minute but the beauty is that he comes absolutely free – in fact the Habs could offer him all their remaining cap space to sign for the rest of the year (as long as that’s not more than 20% of the team cap max) Alas, I doubt he would ever come to Montreal. Colorado has been mentioned but even with Forsberg they have no hope of beating Detroit or Anaheim. There’s certainly no Cup there anytime soon. Ottawa? I wouldn’t judge them by what’s going on right now, they will be a force come playoff time. Murray just has to figure out which goalie he wants to ride. Forsberg would give the Sens two dynamic duos. Philly? If Forsberg goes there, then they become the leading candidate to take the East. BUT if Fosberg ever signed with the Habs then he would be perfect for Higgins and Koivu. Then we could trade Ryder and a defensive prospect for a 4th defenseman and then the Habs become a contender who could get to the finals. It would also have no impact on our teams’ makeup for next year. Will it happen? Dream On.

    The Original 24 Cups

  48. Keith says:

    No way would I trade Higgins for Jokinen, even though Jokinen is a better player. The reason I’m saying this is because Higgins loves playing in Montreal, he grew up as a Hab fan and bleeds red, white and blue, and even though he isn’t having a great year I would keep him. He will get better and will come out of his slump. If he was traded I fear he would come back to haunt us a la John LeClair. And we all know what he did to the Habs whenever he played them.Also I think such a move could damage the chemistry the team has right now, which is great. Higgins is a popular guy in the room (at least that’s what I think), would the Habs really want to risk that? I don’t think so.


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