About last night … Canadiens lose 4-2 to Blues

Shall we get the second-guessing out of the way?

Al Montoya was comical on the Blues goal that opened the scoring. The Canadiens’ backup goaltender lost his balance and was helpless to do anything to stop an Alex Pietrangelo point shot that was tipped in by Patrick Berglund.

Nor was Montoya particularly sharp on the David Perron goal that made it 2-1.

The Canadiens fought back from both deficits.

They played a good game, outshooting the visitors 30-22 and holding a huge edge, 66-37 in shot attempts.

The Canadiens won 39 of 56 faceoffs.

They had 32 hits to 33 for a much bigger St. Louis team.

They were in the game.

We’ll never know if Carey Price would have stopped the shots that eluded Montoya.

But the way it stands, Price – who has been decidedly unPriceian for weeks now – will have to be at the top of his game Sunday night in Boston.

If Price is not the goaltender we saw at the beginning of the season, the Canadiens could be riding a two-game losing streak into their five-game break.

Saturday’s feel-good hockey story was Craig Anderson’s 3-0 shutout of the Islanders.

The feel-bad story for Montreal fans is the win lifted the Senators to within six points of what used to be the Canadiens’ near-insurmountable Atlantic Division lead.

Ottawa has four games in hand – five after the Canadiens’ visit to Boston. And while the Canadiens are idle next week, the Senators play Buffalo at home and the Devils in New Jersey.

When the Canadiens return to action against Winnipeg at the Bell Centre next Saturday, they could be nursing a two-point division lead.

That would be what Sir Alex Ferguson, former manager of Manchester United, calls “squeaky bum time” … and there will be plenty of nervous perspiration to go around, particularly among Montreal’s easily jangled fans.

But let’s not get TOO far ahead of ourselves with hypothetical scenarios.

The Canadiens always play well against the Bs. If Price is on his game, the Sunday match is winnable.

As was the Saturday game.

“We definitely deserved better, Michel Therrien said, in French, to open his postgame press conference (telecast by RDS). “I liked our effort. I liked our intensity.”

But that’s the ominous aspect of the Canadiens’ slump.

The team shows up in nearly every game.

But it’s starting to look like they just might not have the horses to match their early-season surge.

Against St. Louis, the Canadiens were a one-line team. Max Pacioretty, Phillip Danault and Alexander Radulov created headaches for the Blues defence and for goaltender Jake Allen every time they were on the ice.

Danault went 14-7 on faceoffs, Pacioretty had 10 shot attempts – only two of which were on Allen – and Radulov was Radulov, making something happen on every shift.

But as Therrien conceded during his press conference, the Canadiens need more than one line.

Alex Galchenyuk won six of  nine faceoffs and generated some chances in the offensive zone. But with all due respect to Paul Byron and Artturi Lehkonen, Galchenyuk has to play with Top Six wingers … and neither of those hardwiring guys fits into that category.

The fourth line had a few good shifts.

Tomas Plekanec was 10-5 on draws, but the $6 Million Man couldn’t score in … well, you fill in the off-colour metaphor.

On to Boston for a biggie.

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Comment on the Liveblog from ProHabs:

Galchenyuk was a point a game player as a first line center. He gets hurt and now he is not even one of the 6 attackers on the ice to try and get the tying goal. What happened to not losing your spot due to an injury. 

No other coach in the league would do this. Mark Scheifele did not come back from his injury and end up on the 3rd line. Neither did Jonathan Toews nor Tyler Seguin nor Connor McDavid when they got hurt last year. Unbelievable. Therrien is ruining Galchenyuk.

From berc:

So now that injuries are not an excuse, what is the matter with this team? Psychology is a factor. When the goalie is stopping nearly every shot, the offense has the confidence to go the extra mile and may be less worried about being out of position for a rush the other way. Chemistry is another factor–with the exception of the first line, there is an obvious problem with chemistry on the second and third lines. Defensive positioning is another factor, and this one is on the coaches–and in and of itself a strong reason in favour of making some changes on the coaching staff. And finally, goaltending is a major factor. Montoya, on balance, has not been any better than Condon was, and Price has been significantly worse than in recent years–at least in the past 2-3 months. How to cure these ills? Perhaps too many to cure at once. But perhaps if one is cured, some of the other problem areas might begin to improve.

And a tough take from expat_habsfan:

This team has been a pretender since the season started. They have a few good players but too many guys that are barely above AHL caliber to be a serious contender.

Yes, I agree MT is a one dimensional coach in a league that has become multi-dimensional and he needs to go. However, the caliber of the team is strictly MB’s responsibility and other than Radulov, he’s done nothing to improve the team beyond making a tit-for-tat trade with the Preds, acquiring cast-offs, and building a stable of 4th and 5th pairing d-men.

The team’s play is indicative of a illness that will plague this franchise until Molson cleans house. As sad as this sounds this team is DOA until the entire organization realizes that it is being propped up by a history they have literally no attachment with and they need to start making their own.


  1. Strabo says:

    New thread.

    “Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I’m not sure about the former.” Albert Einstein

  2. Waitingforcup says:

    PVR’s the game and watched based upon comments of AG’s utilization and performance. He had 22 shifts and typically played with Pattern and Beaulieu on defense. Of those 5 were offensive zone starts with one lost draw. Had 24 seconds of PP as the first line pressed for the other time. The one goal against was on a poor line change and the players were out of position chasing the puck. Overall he played well and generated many offensive chances with limited defensive zone time.

    But playing AG 3rd line minutes and allocating that time to Danault is taking offensive opportunities from him. If the plan to spread the scoring to various lines, that plan has not worked as the latest scoring is from one line only. If you want to spread scoring out Rads and AG would be on one line and Danault and Patches on the other. That puts one play maker and one shooter on each line. This also lets you know if a confident Danault can actually carry a line so you know if he has a future as a #2.

  3. boing007 says:

    Watching the Wild Red Wings game. Have now identified the perfect left-handed defenseman to play alongside Shea Weber: Ryan Suter.

    Richard R

  4. CanadiensRock says:

    It was a decent effort but he problem is we need another player that can consistently put the puck in the net. Andrew Shaw is a complete bust offensively and defensively is a liability with stupid penalties. Radulov was a great pick up and should be signed for a long term contract. Carr, Hudon, Ghetto, McCarron are all disappointing offensively and you can thank Trevor Timmons for that. He gets far too much credit. Webber has been decent, and Markov can still help as a 3,4,or 5 defenseman. Petry is also hot and cold. Habs need a goal scorer and the ones commonly mentioned are priced too high. Duchene is a 30 point man right now hardly worth all the hype that surrounds him while hanzal is old and also not scoring enough to warrant a package.Habs should stand pat and look at improving through the draft and perhaps free agency or trade in the off season.


  5. krob1000 says:

    uh oh….Engels coming out and being critical of CHcuky….is this what we were warned of other day…someone said to watch out for some negative PR on a key player and that he will likely be the next to go…..and then this….

    hmmm….well if that is case then Habs had better get more than just Duchene….

    hmmm….really bad feeling about Engels sending that out…..

    • cbhabsfan says:

      Do you ever get the feeling that some sports journalists go in this site every now and again to see what we are talking about, maybe to give them story ideas and angles?

      All the time, I’m seeing stories pop up online on subjects that we’ve all picked over in detail on HIO days earlier.

      I’ve even seen some conclusions drawn in the articles that could have been lifted straight from posts put on here by one of our regulars.

      EDIT: I’m not talking about Engels, who is one my favourite Habs beat writers. I liked him back in his HockeyBuzz days and always hoped he’d move on to something more credible. And he did.

      • RightNyder says:

        A good writer would certainly mine any source for information.
        There are many good discussions here and on other sites as well. With such a passionate fan base, there are more ‘experts’ than you can shake a stick at.
        I’m also more than certain that the team is skilled in getting out whatever message it sees fit, making use of selected journalists to help frame said discussion.

        • krob1000 says:

          agreed…for a while there I could tell who was going to get suspended by watching TSN and how Bob Mackenzie “felt” about it

        • cbhabsfan says:

          I agree. And I didn’t mean to imply that it’s poaching to do so. If I was a Habs beat writer, I’d be on here all the time, seeing what the hoi polloi was talking about.

          And it would make sense for the team’s p.r. department to steer journalistst in certain directions as well.

          For all we know there could even be p.r types on here from time to time, dropping questions that they are curious to see how the general Habs populace responds to.

          • RightNyder says:

            Most teams have PR schlubs (like governments do) who constantly mine news articles and other sites to see what is being said about the team.

            Once something reaches a fever pitch, or a certain narrative is being set on a variety of platforms, action will often be taken.

        • boing007 says:

          Throw it on the wall and see if it sticks. Like spit balls on the ceiling in my junior high school class.

          Richard R

      • krob1000 says:

        I would bet they do…would make sense to…a lot of opinions and while none of us are ever really right collectively we are quite often mostly right

  6. The Eradicator says:

    Eric Engels ✔ @EricEngels

    Seeing so much chatter about Galchenyuk in my timeline. Put the numbers aside and watch him play 1/
    09:35 – 12 Févr 2017

    ¡Viva Frontenac siempre y para siempre!


    • The Eradicator says:

      Eric Engels ✔ @EricEngels

      He is oozing talent. He will play better and has at different points of this season. But 2/
      09:36 – 12 Févr 2017

    • The Eradicator says:

      Eric Engels ✔ @EricEngels

      He has got to stop cheating and making things complicated. Has to stop with the gliding into battles and the one-hand stick check 3/

    • The Eradicator says:

      Eric Engels ✔ @EricEngels

      Has to stop instead of flying by on defence. 4/

    • The Eradicator says:

      Eric Engels ✔ @EricEngels

      If he’s as good as everyone thinks he is, he needs to be a self starter, needs to make players around him better…5/6

    • The Eradicator says:

      Eric Engels ✔ @EricEngels

      If he can produce away from Radulov and Pacioretty, he makes the Canadiens so much better. People have to stop making excuses for him.

      09:41 – 12 Févr 2017

      • krob1000 says:

        um Chcuky did produce with just Rad…and Danault was producing at same time on 4th line…AND team was in first place…in NHL….guess it is ok to make excuses for the right people…how has Danault made Patch or Rad better? ha ha…wow …wish I could remember who posted that other day….

        • RightNyder says:

          I thought Danault was at his best with Mitchell and Byron – making up what was if not the best, at the very least one of the best fourth lines in the league.
          Deployment is all about creating mismatches. That line created many of them.

          • krob1000 says:

            agreed….those were the days….best team in NHL, everyone in their spots and only DD needing to be replaced….now reality is we still really only need one good center and maybe one rough tough vet like Iginla…but when used properly and healthy this lineup has almost all of the pieces…but if rearranged they can become pretty average in a hurry.

          • RightNyder says:

            Like every team, we still have holes.
            But to me, having stellar first and fourth lines and then trying to find the right mix for everything in between is better than having four slightly watered down lines.

  7. cbhabsfan says:

    We appear to have lost bwoar for cussin’.

    Too bad. There are about a dozen regular posters on here who make it worthwhile to come on here and read their opinions, even if you don’t have time to post yourself.

    He’s one of them.

    EDIT: He dropped the f-bomb twice in a couple of short and not so sweet replies to some not particularly thoughful posts. A shame to waste a couple of perfectly good f-bombs on comments that were hardly worth expending the typing energy on…

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Agree about bwoar, but I reckon a dozen worthwhile posters is a stingy estimate, CB!

      • cbhabsfan says:

        That was a bit low, true enough. There are more decent regular posters on here than you can shake a hockey stick at. I’ve never run across another hockey site that even comes close.

        That’s why I’m sneaking on here while at work all the time, even when I have no time to post anything.

        Or wouldn’t get into trouble if I was caught doing it, to be more honest…

  8. RightNyder says:

    Anyone see what Nyquist did to Spurgeon? Crazy.
    Didn’t even get tossed.
    Should be 10 games, minimum.

  9. Dunboyne Mike says:

    How come no pigeons bit your cat?! Meriting a fresh cliché/metaphor, I reckoned various bulls would have found that red flag irresistible.

    And if you’re reading this, STOP and get those marks in!

  10. joeybarrie says:

    Reading something below about trading PK for Weber doesn’t solve the number 2 D spot.
    We have 3 defense man in the top 40 in points and Markov was injured for 12 games. If he kept that pace up he would be 7th in overall D scoring.
    Weber, Markov and Petry are a good 1, 2, 3.
    I would love to see someone like Shattenkirk come in to complete the top 4.
    Markov is having a better season than PK is. How can anyone think he isnt a top D, I cant fathom.

  11. cbhabsfan says:

    This from Eklund at HockeyBuzz…

    “I, and almost every other insider out there, has continually been citing how the price for Matt Duchene is unquestionably high…however, one source tells me he has gotten a sense the price may be dropping “just a little” as the deadline approaches…”

    He lost me at “insider”…

  12. Dunboyne Mike says:


    Long time no see.

    Too busy to keep reading tonight, but great to see you. Hoping life’s good.


  13. Dunboyne Mike says:

    Paz, was away (doing real life stuff for a while — felt weird), but saw your reply re. president/precedent.


  14. B says:

    McNiven had the night off vs the 67s yesterday.
    His backup allowed 5 goals on 19 shots.
    The Attack however scored 10 to win the game.
    McNiven was back in this afternoon
    He stopped 26 shots in a 5-0 win over Kingston

    Erie and London have already clinched playoff spots

    –Go Habs Go!–

  15. Ozmodiar says:

    I haven’t seen Byron and Lehkonen play well since they were with Plekanec.

    Why not reunite this line?

    Maybe because they don’t want Chucky in that 3rd line defensive role? If that’s the case, put Chucky back with Rads and Max and let Danault play with Shaw.

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      I remember when Chucky was drafted a media analyst who almost got the GM job said either you 100% focus on developing Chucky at center or you deal him to get that top center. I agreed with his strategy. Almost 5 seasons later, I don’t understand what is going on.

  16. PK says:

    Horsey, go to the EDIT, go to the EDIT … hurry.

    _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

    “Une équipe de hockey sur glace de l’île de Mont-Royal va gagner la Coupe de Lord Stanley à 24 reprises dans le 20e siècle et trois fois au cours du 21e siècle.”

    – Nostradamus, 1552

  17. truebeliever says:

    At what point did “played well” become an acceptable standard for Montreal fans. This team is not winning and shows no signs of figuring out why it has been so inconsistent for the past 2.5 months. Regardless of whether they beat Boston, this team needs a major shake up. Maybe it’s firing the coach and/or the GM/ Maybe it’s trading Weber or MaxPac. Maybe it’s trading Price or Chucky. But this team seems adrift and badly in need of a jolt.

    • D Mex says:

      Tough to pinpoint an exact moment but,
      if we must, let’s go with FEB 1st, 1993.

    • Max says:

      Yes because trading your best forward and defenseman is the best way to improve a team.

      • D Mex says:

        Depends on the forward and defensemen.
        So far so good IMO 😀

      • truebeliever says:

        Agreed, though sometimes you get addition by subtraction. I wasn’t going to presume what the return could/would be, but obviously, you wouldn’t make a trade of that size/importance for little or no return. But I suspect MB gets calls about his star players all the time. Maybe by saying yes to a fair deal in this case, it would send the signal that no one is safe and no jobs are guaranteed.

        Scotty Bowman never let his teams get comfortable. Yes, they’re millionaires now, but players are still players — driven by ego and status. Send Max to Carolina for a prospect and a pick and you’ll see how quickly everyone else shapes up.

    • CanadiensRock says:

      The coach has them where they are…our talent beyond Price, Weber, Markov, Petry, Galchenyuk, Pacioretty, RADULOV, is pretty thin

  18. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    Watched the SJ game. Brent Burns is unbelievable. One of the best Dman seasons I have seen ever.

  19. haberoo13 says:

    So if it’s ridiculous to blame MB and MT for Price being a “sieve”…what happened last year…oh yes…blame PK


    • krob1000 says:

      nope blame MT….but MB is all in on MT…so he tried to surround MT with more competent people and give him a clean slate….bring in guys who MT can start over with, bring in Muller to actually do the communicating and rid the team of the guys who have been so affected by MT that they are now hazardous to have around….

      It was working because there was enough still there….but MT out MTed himself and still found a way to alienate both goalies, Markov, elevate Emelin, strip Nate’s confidence, confuse PEtry,
      Then up front he has unfairly vaulted Danault and DD many times, pushed Gallagher aside early for Shaw, insulted both Pleks and Chucky, overused Byron, Mitchell, Flynn (although Byron has kind of done well at his role…out numbers up suitable to role and passed eye test)….
      Then on hockey front he has deactivated the D that was helping to generate offense (better last two games though after “meeting”, gone back to chip/chase and eliminated the regrouping and puck possession that was doing well….)

      The last two games team seemed committed to somewhat reverting to old beginning gof eyar style and it was better….but it is now with new deployment and lines,etc

      -So at first you had decent lines, great system,, clean slates….things were fine and while not what I believe optimal was decent deployment and pretty decent pairings
      -then once injuries struck…MT when back to crap system and even odder deployment/d pairs
      -now we are healthy almost, system appears to be changing for better , is better but still Emelin too elevated and up front player deployment is a mess…

  20. montreal ace says:

    Hockey schedule is insane, too much hockey for a man who plays a cerebral game, which sets Price apart from most Goalies. Its a huge part of why his numbers are suffering. I don’t like to drive when I am mentally fatigued, never mind stop a puck. Denault is playing between Max and Radu, because they want him there, as he compliments them more then Chucky at the moment. Danault plays a nice game, responsible and he has skill, not a knock on Chucky that Danault has progressed more then him, he is a year older. Love Pleks but he needs to get it in gear, his play is bringing his mates down, but I do realize some very good talents don’t score against him. We are in first in our division, while being in a good playoff position, so I don’t care how we got there. We are there because we have played the best hockey in the division, which is good enough for me.. MT does not coach this team alone, he has great resources that he draws upon, lots of fantastic pro experience in Habs organization. I thought we played well last night, can’t win them all, but the team plays for the most part, like they want to.

    • krob1000 says:

      Danault has progressed more than Chcuky???
      Chucky has 1 fewer pts than Danault…in 21 LESS GAMES.

    • Ghost of 31 says:

      I like this analysis Ace. There are many plausible explanations for Price being less than great but my guess is that the games don’t mean that much right now and he’ll probably be a little checked out until the playoffs or until their place in the standings becomes a problem. Maybe he’s just pacing himself right now in expectation of an intense spring. I doubt very much that he hates the coach or that his ego has gotten out of control. Those are entertaining possibilities but his personal life and the low pressure hockey are more likely explanations.

      I also like your analysis of the Chucky situation. Why are people so upset with the coach? Maybe MT has Chucky on the third line to spark his under achieving line mates. Maybe he’s spreading the creative talent out instead of concentrating it all on line one. Maybe MT is seeing that top line minutes are sparking unexpected offensive development in Danault and to take him off that line risks curbing the development. Chucky’s going to keep getting better either way and his ongoing recovery from injury is likely easier and faster if he takes on a lower pressure roster spot.

    • boing007 says:

      Danault is very good, but he’s not a goal scorer. AG27 is.

      Richard R

      • truebeliever says:

        Max-Danault-Radu followed by Kane (or another talented grinder) — Chucky — Gally would be a lethal 1-2 combo. Then you follow with Lehkonen-Pleks-Shaw and Flynn-Mitchell-Ghetto, that team would be hard to cover for a whole playoff game.

        The D and G positions need to shape up, but adding a strong second-line LW would change the chemistry dramatically. (That, or get a strong centreman and move Chucky to the wing for good).

  21. jimmy shaker says:

    What’s that song we were all singing last year by Tom Petty? Free wheeling, free tumbling, free something…..ah yes, Free Falling…..enjoy the ride boys and girls, and remember this is MB going all in! Yikes.

    Expecting more mediocrity from the tender outwards, and a cubs win.

    SHaker out!

  22. DipsyDoodler says:

    At the 1st intermission one of the hosts mentioned that Patrik Berglund might be available. He’s 6’3″ and 28 yrs old. He had 21 goals in his rookie season but never really delivered on that early promise.

    He’s a pending UFA on an easily absorbable $3.7M cap hit.

    Better than Hanzal I think.

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:


    • cbhabsfan says:

      He’s one of the guys Bergevin is rumoured to be kicking the tires on.

      But after last night’s outburst, I’m betting his pricetag has edged on up from steep to ridiculous….

    • The Eradicator says:

      Maybe not really a Top 6 centre, but certainly a Lars Eller upgrade. For years we’ve not fished these waters because we had a logjam at centre. Which would have been resolved if we’d traded Tomas a couple seasons ago, instead of re-signing him.

      From: http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/5665

      Has a huge frame, good offensive instincts and game-changing ability. Is a wizard with the puck. His wrister is top-notch. Also owns plenty of two-way game. Can play any forward position.
      Is somewhat injury-prone. Doesn’t use his big frame enough to win puck battles or finish checks consistently. Could stand to shoot the puck a little more. Needs to be better from game to game.
      Versatile veteran forward, when healthy.

      I don’t know if he’ll come that cheaply again in July.

      • Ozmodiar says:

        Lars Eller upgrade …
        If we had traded Pleks …

        no mention of the 3.5M of completely wasted cap space sitting in the press box?

        This is like an episode of l’antichambre.

        • The Eradicator says:

          Ozmo, in my many posts on the subject over the years, I came around to the point of view that David was not going to be a dependable Top 6 centre, that his good streaks would be far outweighed by his droughts. I accepted that, and also understood and stated that we couldn’t trade David, that he has no value. So our option, as I’ve stated a few times, was to grin and bear it, to run out the clock on David’s contract, and walk away this July.

          So that was my plan, to trade Tomas as his contract expired, keep Chucky and Lars around, and then figure out a way to acquire another Top 6 centre, not just cross our fingers and hope that the status quo this year would produce different results.

          What I don’t feel the need to do, Ozmo, is to in every post vituperate on David Desharnais, attack him personally, lampoon him, try to organize a campaign to elect him to the All-Star game for the sole purpose of embarrassing him and the organization. It’s tiresome and should be beneath us.

          The David Desharnais file is long settled, as the Penske file would be if George had applied himself a little more. Only masochists wallow in it continuously.

          • krob1000 says:

            Long settled he was on the pp and getting prime minutes when needing a goal last week….along with the new file….Danault…it is clear as day…there is bias on this team. At least it is openly admitted with respect to coach selection….but either admit it or do away with it on the ice…..to think we are all idiots and expect players to go along with it is too far

            4 years it took Chucky to get that gig, Pleks was just as long, Eller never got a shot….DD had a decent month stretch when team was struggling then had it for years…Danault had a good month and got it again when team struggling…doesn’t take a genius to figure it out

          • D Mex says:

            LOL …
            One man’s ” drought ” is
            another man’s black hole.

            ALWAYS Habs –
            D Mex

            See the Therrien – Desharnais duet here : http://i.imgur.com/NoNJ3FV.gif
            Therrien / Lacroix / Pacioretty : All Desharnais All the Time !
            Support Therrien – vote Desharnais : https://www.nhl.com/all-star-ballot

          • RightNyder says:

            How’s the view up there in your ivory tower?
            “Long settled?”
            You might be willing to simply grin and bear it, that doesn’t mean anyone else should have to.
            The Bloviator when he sees yet another DD joke:

  23. B says:

    The sensational Sens, laudable Leafs and hapless Habs all lost to the Blues this week.

    –Go Habs Go!–

  24. DipsyDoodler says:

    I thought we played well.

    Fast breakouts, creating lots of turnovers. A bit unlucky on some of the Blues goals.

    Hope Gallagher fins his groove quickly.


    • The Eradicator says:

      I think it will help, in bumping a cooled-off Paul Byron back down the lineup, returning everyone to a position where they’re all more ‘dans sa chaise’. Our fourth line may resume being the scourge of the NHL.

      ¡Viva Frontenac siempre y para siempre!


  25. HabsHammerZone says:

    Has Carey Price now hit his rock bottom in the last game
    Will he finally after 2 and a half months show signs he is back to backstopping the habs like a true number 1
    Ridiculous to blame MB and MT when the team supposed world class goaltender has been a Sieve for over 2 months.
    Cannot blame players in front of him, cannot blame MB and MT

    Lets go CP, get it together man

    • D Mex says:

      Gonna’ hitch my wagon to this [ ↑ ] and see how long it lasts.

      • Ghost of 31 says:

        Totally uncool and uncalled for. Mostly because HIO is a class forum but also because HHZ isn’t saying anything that outlandish. Price hasn’t been himself, maybe not sieve level goaltending but not the dominance he’s know for. Why so harsh bwoar? Use your words.

    • truebeliever says:

      Unless Price has just had it with making MT/MB look good and doesn’t much care for the guys in front of him either. It’s possible the highlight of #31’s year was the World Cup and everything else since has been anticlimactic. Maybe he’s tired. Maybe he’s bored. Whatever is going on, I have no confidence that he’ll find his mojo before the playoffs come. Maybe Carolina would trade us Ward as a rental. We could send him back (along with a pick) in time for the expansion draft.

    • Bwoar don’t man! He’s a multi-account holder, banned many times, with his last ban coming on Dec 10th. Not worth being banned over what so ever.

      Please edit your comment so we don’t lose you….sniff sniff 🙂

      Shane Oliver
      58 Wins to Tie Plante
      Shane&Son Dec 2016

    • toneez says:

      Carey is just a little frustrated that’s all , I just believe he’s tired of having everything on his shoulders and the way certain players are being used to the detriment of the team , got a feeling the rest of the team has caught on too , Coach has got to go … sooner the better

      All Habs all the Time

  26. Paz says:

    I think when you trade Subban for Weber you have to know you still don’t have a number 2 dman to play next to your number 1. Everyone knew that. Settling on Emelin there is a joke.

    I think after you played Galchenyuk for practically all of the previous 4 seasons as a winger, expecting him to slot right into the number 1 slot, especially in Therrien’s system, which is very demanding defensively, is very optimistic, if not downright unrealistic. Most people knew Galchenyuk would struggle defensively. So now Danault is the number 1 center? I love the way Danault competes, but he’s not a number 1.

    When a team has Emelin in the number 2 slot, and Danault in the number 1, that team is not going to win with consistency.

    Those are .500 team solutions. And this is now a .500 team. At best. That’s an 82 point team, and not a playoff team.

  27. B says:

    Carr has been assigned to the IceCaps

    –Go Habs Go!–

  28. expat_habsfan says:

    It will be interesting to see what happens within the media circle around the Habs as well as on boards such as this one should the Habs convincingly beat the Bruins today. Do “they” rationally look at the game to see why the Habs won. Was it dominating Habs’ play, or an outstanding performance by Price, or a spark from the insertion of Gallagher to the roster, or just a sub-par Bruin’s performance?

    Does any of this change the fact that the Habs have been on a declining trajectory this season since their fantastic start and that Habs’ management has really done nothing except use the revolving door to and from the rock to shuffle the deck chairs.

    I am a seriously long time fan of the Canadiens and it has been exceptionally disheartening to see this franchise become so accepting of this 23+ year malaise. I personally believed that when a Molson took over the franchise things would really change but nothing has moved.

    As long as the franchise sells out every game, the merchandizing is turning a profit, there is still history to mine for profit, and the team makes a little noise every so often to placate the faithful that next year will be “the” year then all is good.

    But to fans like me (us) we know it just isn’t true and hasn’t been for a very long time. It took more than 40 years for the Leafs franchise to finally come to their senses let’s hope we don’t have to wait that long.

    • New says:

      I also am finding it hard to watch anymore. The pattern is too clear.

      I am even pretty much done with whining about Therrien.

      I figure they have a good team so whatever moves they make is likely only going to anger me.

      What I think of the team indicates I like most of the players and likely means I will follow players moved out. How long until I start just following the other team instead?

      So right now I’m clinging to the concept that Gallagher is back, he will stand 6 feet in front of the blue and tip in shots for Lehkonen and Galchenyuk, and Therrien will be acclaimed genius.

      It is about the only hope I have for the team.

  29. jdemelo11 says:

    ProHab WOW putting Galchenyuk in the same category of the guys you did is extremely flattering. Obviously you forgot that MT did put him back on the top line upon his return. But they were so flat that I can understand you forgetting it. Considering how well the top line is doing since he was taken off it, your being ridiculous suggesting he be put back. It’s bad enough we only have 1 line working why not bring that to ZERO! This way all the AG fans can sleep better at night!

  30. Paz says:

    The game tonight is squarely on Price’s shoulders.

    .950 save percentage
    1 goal or less.

    Bruins know they must stop Radulov and Pacioretty. Not complicated.

    I think Montreal is in very tough tonight. But I’m usually wrong.

    • expat_habsfan says:

      If the Habs’ defense (D-men and back-checkers) continue to give teams so much time to shoot in their red-zone then Price will continue to be beaten over both shoulders. This isn’t because Price is a poor goalie but because with his style that is just where they are going to shoot and most NHL players can hit those spots with great regularity, accuracy, and high velocity. Add a screen or two in front and it will usually turn on the red-light.

    • New says:

      They’re not taking this one. Done for the week.

  31. cbhabsfan says:

    I wrote a nice long rant earlier today, complaining about how tanking has become a respectable way to develop a winner these days, but the HIO gremlins ate it and it’s too painful to even think about trying to recreate that UCE-like (in length only, of course) spiel again.

    The point of it was how smug my more knowledgeable Leaf fan friends have become these days, once they realized they now have the two elite talents all teams need on their forward lines to eventually reach Cup contenders status.

    And they had to work so darn HARD to get them, too.

    • BC (Because of the Cats) says:

      I’m with you in hating the deliberate tank, but, given the salary cap and the way the draft is organized, it’s becoming about the only way to acquire top-six talent other than poaching the KHL and the European leagues. You can almost never get it through a trade, unless you’re willing to give up something of comparable value — in which case the trade becomes a lateral move — and if you get it through free-agency, it’s so over-priced you can’t fill the other holes in your roster. People criticize Bergevin for not having landed the top centre and winger we’re missing, but what have we had in our system that he could have traded for those players? Aside from Sergachev (hopefully), we have no can’t-miss prospects; every team has handfuls of the kind of players we have.

      Further down the thread, someone posted a figure that absolutely floored me. In the last 25 games, the Habs have won six (SIX!) games in regulation. That’s mind-blowingly bad, lottery-team bad.

      I’m beginning to think that, while Bergevin has significantly improved our depth in the four years he’s been here, his plan of building through the draft is unworkable without tanking. It just will not be possible to acquire the players we need.

      “We gotta lotta dep.”

      • cbhabsfan says:

        It’s taken me a while, BC, but I’ve also come to accept each and every one of the points you brought up about the situation.

        There is a seemingly endless supply of lower-tier talent in the hockey world these days, but the elite talent needed to put a team into contender status is so very difficult to acquire.

        But I have no respect whatsover for teams that get this elite talent through tanking, particularly the Sabres and the Oilers. Inept management shouldn’t be rewarded just for being more inept than the competition.

        Look at the Penguins, practically the poster child for sober and mature NHL franchises these days. Not a single Cup would be in their trophy case if they hadn’t fully embraced the deleiberate and cynical suck not so many years ago.

        For sure, a classy organization now. Not so much then.

      • Forum Dog says:

        I kind of think Bergevin has done a decent job getting ‘tank’ worthy picks without actually having to tank. Galchenyuk at #3 in 2012, and then Sergachev at #9 4 years later is not bad all things considered.

        To me there have been definite development issues. Continually suppressing internal prospects and investing instead in career journeymen like Weise, Byron, Mitchell, Flynn, etc. is kind of contrary to the notion of building through the draft. I think all of them are decent depth guys, but it makes it very, very hard for players like Hudon, McCarron and Carr to crack the lineup and develop at the NHL level.

        • BC (Because of the Cats) says:

          If the prospects we have are no better than decent depth guys, what particular advantage is there to developing them rather than playing guys like Byron, Carr, etc.? The real problem is our inability to acquire prospects that promise to be more than depth players — top-six forwards, top-pairing defencemen. Such players are more often than not available only at the top of the draft. If Artturi Lehkonen can build on his rookie season, he may prove a welcome exception.

          “We gotta lotta dep.”

          • Forum Dog says:

            Good points, although I think that if your prospects are equal to your decent depth guys, you let them play those spots and save your cap money for impact signings. Tying up a bunch of money (and time) in bottom six forwards is pointless, since those are exactly the types of players you should be developing from within. Between Shaw, Flynn, Mitchell, Byron and Desharnais, MTL has invested multiple years and over $10M in guys that are useful, but not truly going to help you get over the hump. I would rather have seen them spend that money elsewhere, and let homegrown guys like Dumont, Hudon, McCarron Andrighetto assume those spots.

            That is just me. It may have hurt MTL more in the short-term, but last year was a debacle anyway and they still didn’t give those guys a real chance to settle in. I guess you could argue that having them play for a bad team would hurt their development, but the team over on The Rock wasn’t very good either.

          • BC (Because of the Cats) says:

            I agree. But giving our prospects a chance at the depth roles would mean accepting that they’re going to make mistakes as they learn their jobs, mistakes that will probably cost us points in the standings. This in turn would mean recognizing that we’re a long way from contending. The focus would then be mainly on trying to improve the team from within — developing the young players we have to be the best they possibly can — rather than on acquiring established players through trades and free agent signings. The time for that would come as we approached contender status. But the GM and everyone else seem to think the team is close to elite. Most of us thought the same at the start of the season. Take superb goaltending out of the equation and we see the reality. We’re at best a bubble team — exactly what we’ve been since the last Cup.

            “We gotta lotta dep.”

      • PK says:

        BC, do not encourage the tank avatars.
        You, the one with your cold and calculated logic, in this otherwise crazed Habs forum. Sorry Molson, I meant hockey forum.

        Yeah, if the Habs don’t turn around pretty soon, the tanks and foxhole innuendoes will be flying off the shelves.

        Oh, I really do hope that MB fires MT and brings in Julien.
        (We will take back all the Pillsbury dough-boy and Dunkin’donut, jokes).

        _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

        “Une équipe de hockey sur glace de l’île de Mont-Royal va gagner la Coupe de Lord Stanley à 24 reprises dans le 20e siècle et trois fois au cours du 21e siècle.”

        – Nostradamus, 1552

        • BC (Because of the Cats) says:

          I’m not talking about losing deliberately, more about recognizing that we’re at best a bubble team and acting accordingly. From this point of view, the Weber trade looks bad; by the time the team is ready to contend, he’ll be too old to help. Price also will probably be past his best (if he isn’t already). If I were Bergevin, I’d trade him this summer and go with average goaltending for a couple of years. That should ensure that we finish low.

          “We gotta lotta dep.”

          • PK says:

            Good post. I agree.

            _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

            “Une équipe de hockey sur glace de l’île de Mont-Royal va gagner la Coupe de Lord Stanley à 24 reprises dans le 20e siècle et trois fois au cours du 21e siècle.”

            – Nostradamus, 1552

  32. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    I just saw a fight in the SJ NJD game. The SJ player is Michael Haley. I was like…it can’t be that guy. So I did the google and, yup, it is that guy. He was one of the goons the NYI used to exact payback in the best revenge game of all time. That game was just insane. Ah good times…lol


    • The Eradicator says:

      –1 for posting that link and not mentioning Trevor Gillies, who still sometimes haunts my nightmares. And that I still kind of think we should sign.

  33. Ian Cobb says:

    Win or Lose, the Bell Center is sold out!
    Do you really think they will spend more for a better product?
    SAD !

  34. habstrinifan says:

    Again.. being a sideliner re the site, i post this question with hesitancy!

    What is up with Hudon not being re-called? Why is Andrighetto given preference over Hudon.

    If you look at 2015-2016 stats and 2016-2017 stats comparing both players, you will see that Hudon is on pace to double his output and surpass his plus-minus from one yr to the next. Andrighetto does not compare favourable with Hudon when you look at performance in AHL. Hudon was injured but his recent games show that he is over that injury.

    • cbhabsfan says:

      Hudon suffered that freak chest injury at just the wrong time. He had been called up as one of our customary fill-ins, but it appeared he’d done enough to perhaps stick for a while this time.

      I think he’ll have a modest but successful NHL career some day, but not with us. We have too many similar players and not a whole lot to choose between them in ability and effectiveness.

    • ebk says:

      think it’s mainly been injuries that are the reason he isn’t up. That and the fact that Hudon is doens’t require being put on waivers to be sent to the AHL this season, Andrighetto does.

      But I’d disagree that Andrighetto doesn’t measure up favorably in the AHL. Andrighetto is close to a point per game player in the AHL, which is slightly better than Hudon. Having watched a ton of Ice Cap games this year, both are very good AHL players and at some point, I’d think(maybe hope) that they will be decent in the NHL.

    • Paz says:

      I think Bergevin would like to show Andrighetto because there are a few teams who might accept him as a secondary piece in a trade.

  35. CHasman says:

    What’s going on in Nashville. Subban was fourth in ice time for d-men (18:49) last night and played almost 9 minutes less than Josi.

  36. Phil C says:

    So it seems most here feel that a coaching change is warranted. Certainly other teams in similar situations have already made a coaching change. It certainly would not be a surprising move as there are a lot of good hockey reasons why this should be Bergevin’s move right now.

    Which tells me Bergevin is not making a hockey decision when he keeps Therrien around. He’s staying loyal to the person before the team because he’s a buddy. Which I consider a rookie manager error. That’s the risk when you hire an unproven executive. So I don’t see a coaching change coming unless Molson intervenes. Very disappointing a Habs fan.

    • Paz says:

      Nothing wrong with Molson intervening. He was consulted before the Subban trade and he didn’t block it, so why shouldn’t he step in now when it’s becoming more and more obvious that this team, under Therrien, isn’t good enough.

  37. lizard ranger says:

    So, as close as we fans can come to consensus on any one issue is we don’t like the coach. If Michel gets canned (I don’t believe it will happen), what scenario unfolds?

    I think Muller would be given the tile of sacrificial lamb and put in a no win situation, unless he miraculously brings a cup back to Montreal. It would be nice if we had real home grown coaching options in our development system. We don’t.

    I think the GM stands pat and hopes the goal tending improves.

    Not inspirational

    • Forum Dog says:

      They need another top-six forward. Some thing centre, but I think a winger would be just as useful. If they are going to continue running Danault out there as the default #1, they need someone to play with Galchenyuk. Gallagher coming back may help, but I still think then need someone with skill who can skate with #27. Push Byron and/or Lehkonen down to the third. Flynn bye bye. Maybe Desharnais too.

    • toneez says:

      Why would Muller be the sacrificial lamb ? I think he’ll do just fine , players like him, so they’ll play for him , fans like him, and he’s learning French … what’s not to like ?

      All Habs all the Time

  38. Ozmodiar says:

    5 days off after tonight.

    Then 6 games before TDL.

    Good time for a change. Get a different perspective from behind the bench to evaluate the team before more mistakes are made.

    • RightNyder says:

      If Price pitches a (word you can’t say) tonight, and we get goals from Galchenyuk, Gallagher and Andrighetto in a 3-0 win, does this place flip-flop?
      Price is back!
      Galchenyuk and Gallagher were gold!
      Our prospects are stellar!
      A nice week’s rest and the parade is back on!

    • Phil C says:

      Timing would be good. It would give time for the new guy to figure it out. If they wait any longer, the end of the season will be too close.

  39. RightNyder says:

    Should we really care if Galchenyuk turns into a Selke candidate?

    In three of the last four games (everyone was putrid against Colorado), there have been no high-danger scoring chances against when Galchenyuk was on the ice.
    In eight of his last 11 games, the opposition has had two or less of these chances.
    Against St. Louis, when some people said he looked “slow and off”, the team produced nine (regular) scoring chances and gave up just three while he was on the ice.
    He still has a lot of games where the opposition gets too many chances, but surely if he actually, you know, gets to keep playing centre, those will go down. The key should be letting the thoroughbred run, letting that talent out.
    As a comparison (and I’m not suggesting Galchenyuk is anywhere near as good), Evgeni Malkin wins 43% of his faceoffs and routinely (including his last three games), has had double-digit scoring chances against while he’s on the ice.

    Someone referenced Yzerman. The guy was a solid decade-plus into his career before he discovered defence. GP’s man crush Seguin has been on the ice for the same or more scoring chances against 28 times in 56 games this year. No one’s too worried about him.

    For all my faith in his being able to pull off a blockbuster, it’s unlikely MB is going to do anything other than pick up Alex Burrows and some random pud with the Chicago stank on him. So it’s Galchenyuk.

    To me, the idea should be best developing the prodigious skills he has first, instead of curtailing those while trying to make him fit your robotic plan. That’s why MT has to go.

    As a side note, the players who the statheads say play the best with Galchenyuk are Gallagher and Byron. Let’s see if the blender gets around to that…

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      (Apologies for the direct quotation, RN):

      This >>>>> “To me, the idea should be best developing the prodigious skills he has first, instead of curtailing those while trying to make him fit your robotic plan.”

      Also, the word “putrid” is brilliantly deployed here.

    • cbhabsfan says:

      Geez, I don’t know…Toews, Crosby, Kopitar, etc. etc.

      Stanley Cups are rarely won with number one centres who are as game-but-clueless in their own end as Galchenyuk.

      And I’m guessing, since there’s no way to know for sure, but they all probably received more or less the same type of defensive instruction over the years.

      I don’t think he has the instincts. Or maybe it’s the interest. Take your pick.

      • Captain aHab says:

        Pleks made far worse mistakes than him yesterday.

        Drop da puck already!

      • RightNyder says:

        Interest and instincts which may be severely muted by the fact he’s spent so much crucial learning time away from the position.

        • cbhabsfan says:

          If he would just show us some sign that he at least HAS those defensive instincts, that would be nice. His Bambi impression when we are under pressure in our own end is getting old.

          • RightNyder says:

            I don’t see this.
            I see routine effort and a player who thinks the game well. That will equal a decent defender in the long-term.
            Provided he’s able to play with confidence, and focus first on what he does best.
            Therrien is trying to turn him inside out. And failing.
            The better person schtick might work with the puds. High-end talent shouldn’t be subjugated.

          • cbhabsfan says:

            I do, but that’s what makes this site so much fun. Let’s both of us watch him extra close tonight and see how he handles himself under pressure in the defensive zone.

            Playing a back-ro-back where we have to travel to the next game, I’m pretty sure there’ll be plenty of that on display tonight.

          • RightNyder says:

            Can’t take one game as a legit sample. Even if he plays a flawless game it doesn’t make me right or is -6 doesn’t make you right.
            If he plays with Radulov and Pacioretty, chances are good he spends a lot of time in the opponent’s end anyway. If he’s playing with, say, DD and Shaw, they might do a lot more defending.
            Big question remains the handling, or mishandling, of his talent.

          • cbhabsfan says:

            Certainly not. But I’ll be watching him closely in those situations tonight anyway, just out of curiosity.

      • Forum Dog says:

        I totally disagree with this. Galchenyuk is nowhere near as bad defensively as this makes him out to be. Is he Toews or Kopitar? No he is not. But when I watch him I see a guy who is willing and able to play a solid 200 foot game. He just lacks the polish. And the only way he is going to correct some of his reads is to actually play centre in high minutes and situations.

        As RN points out, his calling card is offense. So they have to play him with good wingers and in offensive situations, live with some mistakes here and there, and help him learn from them. If he feels like every time he makes a bad read he is going to get shafted, it is going to hamper his overall development. You don’t want Galchenyuk making the ‘safe’ play every single time, because then he will never take advantage of his ability to do the amazing.

        Give him 17+ minutes per night of ice time. Give him at least one winger with some skill and creativity. Give him 10 draws. And get on with it. If physical and mental maturity were really reasons for not letting him play down the middle, they no longer stand. Time to put some faith in the kid.

        • cbhabsfan says:

          Sorry. He’s epically bad in his own end, especially when the puck is stuck in our zone for long stretches. Watch closely tonight and you may see what I’ve been seeing. Or not.

          • Forum Dog says:

            I think you’re overfixating on it. He is not nearly that bad. I have seen him come back hard and make good plays many times. Yes there are mistakes, but I don’t expect him to be Guy Carbonneau out there. If you want to talk about offensive players who are bad in the defensive zone, Pacioretty is right up there.

          • RightNyder says:

            Again, don’t see it.

            If the puck is stuck in your zone for long stretches, that generally means everyone is struggling, not just one guy.

            He’s far from great defensively, but Danault is far from great offensively. Tell me which is easier to learn?

          • cbhabsfan says:

            He’s fine when he chases the play back into the zone, with his speed and tenacity.

            But not so much when he’s facing the blueline in a static sitiation, with the opposition keeping the puck in and exerting pressure.

            This happens quite often with the 2016-17 Habs, so we’ll probably get a good look at his work in this situation tonight.

      • boing007 says:

        So find him some wingers who are defensively responsible to reduce some of the burden on him. Also make sure that his defensive partners are up to scratch. Can’t blame everything on Galchenyuk.

        Richard R

      • Old Bald Bird says:

        Marc Dumont ‏@MarcPDumont
        Since Galchenyuk’s return he’s controlling an absurd % of chances (75%). 2.09 chances against per 60. Before injury? 9.43 per 60.

        So when Galchenyuk is on the ice since his return the Habs are allowing almost no chances against. But he’s not creating as much

    • Captain aHab says:

      He was slower in Zona but I thought he looked great yesterday.

      Drop da puck already!

    • on2ndthought says:

      I was thinking Gallagher and Lehkonen, but Byron might work. I think Lehk is a better passer, though. Watch DD come out of the press box to play the LW. That would create some entertainment.

      Free Front.

      • RightNyder says:

        We’re back to having the SlumpBuster in the top six, but I’ve come to accept this.
        Byron’s speed opens up space, which allows Galchenyuk to dominate the puck in greater areas. Gallagher doesn’t need the puck at all and works hard in the corners and in front of the net, opening up more space (again) for Galchenyuk.
        I also like Lehkonen and Plekanec together.

        I’d prefer Galchenyuk simply play with Radulov and Pacioretty (in keeping with the notion of Galchenyuk’s shortcomings, it’s harder to be bad defensively when the other team is more concerned with defending your line), but failing that, I’d like to see the Byron-Gallagher wing combination.

  40. on2ndthought says:

    Coaches are hired to be fired. It is an inevitable component of the job. I will not shed tears when Therrien is removed from behind the bench (unless it is after 4 cup wins in a row). I just am not holding my breath.

    It would seem an opportune time, what with Julien available. The problem is MT is in the first year of a four year extension. I know it is not about the money, but I do think it is more about maintaining a sense of purpose, of commitment to a process, even.

    I don’t know how the team would respond to a Julien, or a Groulx. Unlike many here, I love the system Therrien employs. The puck moves fast and through all the players on the ice, and generally toward the other end. The forecheck is ferocious, and few D corps are able to maintain composure when facing the Habs. Even a very good STL defence was pressured into error after error last night.

    Our major problem during the past two dozen games has been less than stellar goaltending, and a lack of secondary scoring. Blame the coach if you will, but he is not on the ice.

    I’m not slightly worried about Price, he’ll come around. It is Plek, and Lehk and Chuck and Shaw who have to step up and score some goals; or Therrien may pay the price the same way Julien did.

    In the meantime, it appears Therrien is trying to soften his approach with players, to add a little “player’s coach” cachet to his demanding personality. I have no idea if it is working in the dressing room, but it is not working with most posters here.

    FWIW, I saw him talking to Danault on the bench early in the game last night. Muller was there, but keeping an eye on the game. The next shift Danault drove the net, and a puck crossed in by Radulov almost scored. The line was on fire the rest of the game. If players feel your input is helping their game, they will probably keep listening, no matter what your tone is.

    As far as who deserves ice time, it is important to understand the whole season is pointed to the playoffs; getting players there honed, but rested.

    Free Front.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Wishing I didn’t leave all my school work to this moment (18.00 GMT) as I almost always do on weekends.
      Would much rather stay on here and watch your cat dialoguing with the pigeons (and not just Gerry!).

    • RightNyder says:

      Me: “Here’s a shyt sandwich. Enjoy.”
      o2t: “Such nice bread…”

    • mrhabby says:

      Juliens firing was the result of some personality issues with the GM and Neely.

      • Schmarkty says:

        I think that’s an important observation – Both Julien and Gallant were fired more for personality/team philosophy reasons more than team performance. Same goes for Roy when he left Colorado. Therrien and Bergevin seem to be very much on the same page philosophically. I think that’s valuable in that Bergevin is actively providing Therrien with the right players to execute his system (Weber vs. Subban, Danault, Shaw, etc.) but it means that if a new coach came in he’d have to try to make something work with these very specific type of players.

        • toneez says:

          Of course they’re on the same page philosophically , only problem is the philosophy is flawed which is why there are problems , we need a real coach , one that respects his players and that the players will respect , MT has no clue what respect is … and he wants to teach players how to be better people … Excuse Me !!!

          All Habs all the Time

    • Schmarkty says:

      I don’t agree with everything you just said, but it was all well thought out and argued logically. Great post.

  41. chilli says:

    Danault is not a #1 center on any other team in the NHL.
    I could care less about Chucky’s defense.
    He was 8 in the league in points when he went down.
    Put in the 1 slot and leave him there.

    And then go fix the bottom 9.

    They wasted our viewing time for 2 years having DD playing big minutes.
    And NOW he’s not good enough to start???


    Go bruins.

    • New says:

      The team mirrors the coaches’ view of the game. The coach was a journeyman AHL player who never made it to the show. He works for a former journeyman NHL D. In an office full of former Buffalo D and checkers. Montreal guys like Lebeau and Brisbois parted ways.

      What do you expect?

  42. Ozmodiar says:

    Does anyone still care when the team loses?

    The number of fans who get upset after a loss seems to be dwindling.

    Perhaps because …
    * Almost 5 years into the GM’s tenure, and still, they need elite goaltending to win.
    * The players are still undersized and/or not physical.
    * The games aren’t exciting. The only exciting player was traded away.
    * There’s no accountability, apart from those players/coaches who we always knew were not part of the ‘club’.
    * Still no prospects to be excited about. Sergachev, possibly, but d-men are hit / miss.

    there’s more, but i’ll leave it at that.

    • 24 Cups says:

      Let’s look at this strictly from the perspective of the thread title, About Last Night.

      The play that really hurt was giving up the goal at the end of the 2nd period in the last half minute of play. That’s a cardinal rule. The Habs come out behind the 8 ball while St Louis smells blood. Allen then turned back the one line that we have that can offensively dominate. That play aside, we were in the game.

      Stuff like that happens during losing streaks. I don’t feel too confident about the games with Boston and Toronto just because of the streaks that are involved. The only man who can save the team right now is Carey Price.

      (BTW, S. Waite seems to be getting a free ride these days. He couldn’t help Condon and I’m not sure if he can help Price)


      • Ozmodiar says:

        You can break down the loses on a per-game basis, pointing out “if only this didn’t happen”, or “if only they took advantage of this”.

        Or, you can look at the broader issues, 2 of which you pointed out:
        – ONE line team
        – over-reliance on Carey Price, the elite version

    • piper says:

      This regime has pissed me off as much or more than the Houle era. Losing interest in the team more everyday.

      • Gerry Pigeon says:


        It’s actually a good thing. Unhealthy to pin our happiness on things we can’t control. More time for life affirming pursuits.

        I’ve had enough, spring and summer beckon. Think I’ll enjoy the upcoming year more instead. May return in the playoffs, if Habs make it.

        Best wishes fellow Habs fans.

    • Redzodrum says:

      I agree , I used to be really passionate and couldn’t wait for game day,
      Now I’m just like meh whatever, let me know when Therrien is gone
      and my excitement will definitely return.

  43. PK says:

    What is MT to do?
    Last season he was handcuffed by Carey Price’s injury.
    These last two months, he is being victimized by Price’s less-than-stellar goaltending.

    Last season: Trade Subban
    This season: Trade Price

    All good in MB’s fiefdom.

  44. on2ndthought says:

    Perron was an absolute beast last night. If he played like that every night, he’d be an elite power forward.

    I remember posters calling for him at trade deadline / free agency; and I was leery. Now that I see what he can bring; I think we could use a guy like that.

    Free Front.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Hey O2T.
      As I recall, the strongest argument against making a play for Perron was concussion history. Do I recall correctly and is it not a valid caveat for the emptor?

      • on2ndthought says:

        It was more than a week ago; I’m a bit fuzzy, but I think you’re on the right track. Also, for all that ability, his best season was 57 points 5 years ago.

        Free Front.

    • boing007 says:

      Management and some fans didn’t want him at the time because he had concussion problems. Same for Drouin. Always excuses. Screaming and yelling about needing more hometown players and not going out and getting them when they are available. Make up your #$%$%? minds!

      Richard R

    • Schmarkty says:

      The only difference is that if Perron played that way around the net in a Montreal sweater he’d spend half the night in the penalty box. I couldn’t believe what he was getting away with.

  45. cbhabsfan says:

    I know it’s practically sacrilege to say this on this site, but Galchenyuk may have all the offensive talent in the world, but he’s not one of the better defensive centres in the league and there’s a reasonable argument to be made that he may never be.

    If we did manage to pick up a legitimate number one centre, what’s wrong with a top six that features Pacioretty and Galchenyuk on left wing, “Mr. X” and Danualt at centre, and Radulov and Gallagher on right wing?

    Who knows? Our new top line might be even turn out to be an elite player in his own end too. That wouldn’t hurt our chances of competing on equal footing with the league’s best teams.

    • Gerry Pigeon says:


      But the fact that you note Galchenyuk may never be one of the better defensive centers in the league speaks volumes about both Galchenyuk’s attitude/maturity, and the lack of direction/discipline/control/leadership shown by MB and MT.

      Galchenyuk already has the physical ability and talent of an elite level offensive forward. He’s young, healthy, and has the whole world ahead of him. Defence can be taught, like Yzerman was taught to be defensively responsible and a better leader by Bowman. It’s just a matter of discipline and effort.

      Sure, some may be marginally better at it with minds that understand the game better, or can intuitively predict opponent’s moves, or some just have the ability to shadow and get under the skin of other team’s best players. But the core truth remains that offence is a gift, and defence can be taught. So either Chucky doesn’t care to learn, MT doesn’t care to teach, or a combination of both.

      Fire MB/MT, bring in Brisebois and either Gallant or Hitchcock.

      • cbhabsfan says:

        There’s also defensive instincts to consider as well. From what I’ve seen – and I’ve watched him very closely in his own end, every chance I get – he just doesn’t appear to have the instincts, particularly in a static situation where we are stuck in our own zone for a long period of time.

        He’s OK enough when he uses his speed to cover someone entering the defensive zone, but that appears to be the pinnacle of his defensive awareness.

        In other words, this may be as good as gets, direction/discipline/control/leadership from whoever’s in charge nothwithstanding.

    • Mad Habber says:

      As Beregvin so eloquently pointed out to us noobs number one centres are not readily available and NHL GMs will laugh at offers made on our playstations. Got to develop within… but you know the guy that is probably our best offensive centre is slated as a left winger, or behind a player that nobody in the NHL wants besides the Habs. Oh and then when he jumps past that player, he loses his place due to injury. I don’t think Danualt that bad, but I don’t get why Galchenyuk isn’t the extra man with the goalie pulled, or why he doesn’t gets more Power play time with Rads and Patch…

      • cbhabsfan says:

        For right now, I’m off the opinion that he’d make a quality top-line leftwinger.

        But as a centreman, I feel he has plenty to work to do on on the other side of the puck before he can be a number one centre on a true contender, not a pretender as we are at the moment.

        If Toews had the same defensive game, the Hawks might not have any Stanley Cups at all.

  46. mrhabby says:

    If Habs make trades for players its going to be for veterans like Patrick Sharp who bring maturity , skills , leadership etc.etc.

  47. Steven Finn says:

    A loss to the bruins would 6 out of the last 7.
    Would that be enough for Bergy to finally do his job and fire Therrien?
    If not when does Molson step in and fire Bergy for not doing his job?

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      I am sure MB is evaluating what would be the consequences if he doesn’t fire MT. If he doesn’t and the Habs tank, how can MB then fire MT and not get severely second-guessed about not doing it in the regular season??? In most cases, MB would be fired too. I think in this scenario with his huge contract and Molson’s public support, he won’t be canned. Molson doesn’t want to look like an idiot after calling MB one of the best GMs in hockey.

    • mrhabby says:

      No way does he get canned this season for all the reasons we hate.

    • New says:

      Last year the management and coaches maintained that if Price had been there they wouldn’t be having that conversation.

      Bergevin will not fire Therrien. They will find scapegoats. Chalk it up to luck. Maybe get in the playoffs and blame meeting a hot goaltender as they fire 50 shots a game from the perimeter and concede the slot to the opponents.

      Best thing to do is accept they will fail miserably again and then be pleasantly surprised at any success. Yay they made the playoffs. Yay they won a game against that hot goalie and team on a roll.

      The team on a roll of course has a new coach, so they are over-achieving.

      Now, back to choosing who to sacrifice.

      I’m still thinking Price and Galchenyuk. Specially if McCarron changes his name to simply Caron. Why? Because if I was watching the Habs from another team’s viewpoint those three guys are who I’d be mentioning to the boss.

  48. HUDSONHAB says:

    Habs play wpg nyr nyi tor nj cbj before deadline. 2 good teams, 2 desparate teams, a nowhere team and the Leafs. What will the results of these games initiate if anything?

  49. Ian Cobb says:

    Hab’s League Position This Week…… Last Week

    Total Points…….70….8th…………..67,…..7th place.
    Goals For…….…165…8th…………158,……6th place.
    Goals Against…146….9th…………133,…..6th place.
    Goals Diff………+19….7th………..+25,…..6th place.


  50. New says:

    I think this is a good team.

    They are not about to panic and remove the coach because the job isn’t getting done. They didn’t panic last season either.

    However they are playing like a bottom tier team now, as they did last season. If this continues, and it shows little sign of ceasing, they will need to sacrifice someone of value again.

    I wonder if they could get Huberdeau and Luongo for Price and Galchenyuk? They might still squeak into the playoffs but it would give them that marketing factor. They could give a speech that, though it didn’t work out this season it solidified the core for the future, and so on.

    (Florida would certainly be something to see. A move like that could take them to Cups and profitability. Heck, maybe they’d fold and relocate to Quebec. The Nords deserved a Cup after building that team they gave to Colorado, and the goalie link alone would make some sort of universal karma bell ring.)

    Anyway, hero or goat, very little separates them in Montreal. Someone will need to take the blame. I am pretty sure who it won’t be, which means big names gotta go into the volcano again.

    Watch for sudden disclosures, press leaks, the building of the common and sage media narrative and we’ll be able to figure out who it will be.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      This is my fear, at some point the common denominator of this Coach being involved in breakdowns has to be recognized. That it isn’t thus far is getting beyond scary what could happen next.

      • New says:

        The look on McCarron’s face as Montoya fell said it all. Instead of everyone going over, laughing, and telling Montoya they’re glad he got that one out of his system you’re left with a “Well, guess who’s going to wear that.”

        When a guy 45 feet away, doing his job, thinks well that’s it for me you can guess where the problem is.

    • boing007 says:

      I’ll take Galchenyuk over Huberdeau and Price over Luongo any day of the week, month or year.

      Richard R

  51. chilli says:

    Go Bruins!
    Marchand hat trick!

  52. HabinBurlington says:

    Wonder if Molson has noticed how the Islanders, Blues and Bruins are playing since making a Coaching change.

    It seems evident at this point that Bergevin doesn’t.

    • New says:

      Can they sustain it? Pittsburg did sure.

      They’ll all probably fade away before the finals.

      I wonder if McCarron would be willing to just wear Caron on his jersey and change his number. Just thinking it might make him faster, more NHL ready, more responsible in all zones.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        The team I will watch closest is St. Louis. To me Hitch is much like MT in coaching styles. I think the Boston firing was stupid but inevitable, the Isles? who knows, that organization seems dysfunctional.

        But the Blues, that is a good team that was underachieving. I think they can sustain it.

    • 24 Cups says:

      I can’t buy that. All three of those teams have suffered from mismanagement, not coaching. The Honeymoon factor can only last so long. Pittsburgh was a different situation. The coach was getting in the way / holding back a talented line-up. The Islanders just seem to be treading water, St Louis has crested and the Bruins have made some asset management blunders since their Cup win.

      I think there is a good chance that Florida will make the playoffs. They may well bump one of the present teams down the ladder. I still wouldn’t even discount Tampa. BTW, should they fire Cooper? If anybody needs to get fired right now I think it’s Paul Maurice.

      Snowin’ pretty hard right now in Slowville.


      • HabinBurlington says:

        I like Maurice but have wondered the same for quite some time. I think Gallant would be perfect for the Winnipeg team.

        • 24 Cups says:

          Inconsistent or just plain lousy goaltending had a lot to do with those firings (and Winnipeg’s woes). To a degree, the same can be said for this Hab slump. It also doesn’t help that Beaulieu and Petry have been playing like crap. Plekanec has been out of it for about a year and half now. Pretty well kills any chance of building a solid 2nd line.


      • mrhabby says:

        same down here in Pickering.

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      IMO MB is giving MT the “goalie benefit of the doubt” again. The last two months, it has not been good.

  53. dickanddanny says:

    Sunday morning weekend muses:

    “Foxhole reaches Ho Chi Minh Trail”

    “MB intrigued by potential of rickshaw runners as late picks”

    “the blossoming Shaw and DD bromance is severely waning”

    “Price and Montoya seen playing rock, paper scissors for next start”

    “Habs equipment managers rumoured to be polishing players golf clubs”

    “Galchenyuk reverts to on-line dating site to find ‘scoring’ wingers”

    “Plekanec modeling new line of ‘dickies’ for men who do dick-all”

    “back to you Dick”

  54. Sir Lance Compte says:

    If we are not making a trade or until then this is my forward line-up with Gallys return.

    Patch Danault Radu
    Hudon Chuck Gally
    Lek Plek Byron
    DLR Mack Shaw

    Sorry but no Mitchel( stays until Gallys return),DD, Ghetto,Flynn, Carr. They all bring nothing to the mix.

    • haberoo13 says:

      I like Hudon up…although I’ll disagree with DLR..

      MAAAA!!!! THE MEATLOAF!!!!!

      • Sir Lance Compte says:

        Then who replaces DLR on 4th line that has size and defensive ability?

        • Steven Finn says:

          Haberoo is right De la Rose is pure garbage. Maybe even more useless than Davey. Size? Who cares! He never uses it! Defensive ability? Lol how good was his defensive ability when he lost a big defensive zone faceoff late in the game, ran around like a chicken with his head cut off and gave up the game winning goal. I can live with that if it was a offensive player like Chucky who you know can produce offence making a bad defensive play but with someone like DLR you know couldn’t score on a empty soccer net, not so much. Every single player called up from the Ice Caps where better than DLR even Terry. You will never see DLR in a Habs sweater again.

    • 3 points for a win says:

      There is no need to make a trade. The men who are the captain of the ship, MT and MB, will still be there to mess it up.

      It pains me to say this, but GO BRUINS GO!!

    • Popsrink says:

      Sir Lance; I really like that lineup. Hudon brings an element of speed and offense to the top six and DLR brings some size ( and enough speed) to be effective on the 4th line. I don’t expect a lot of offense from anyone on this line but I do want size,speed and the ability to keep the puck deep for 45 secs and then get off. This line can win puck battles down low. I liked Pateryn’s game last night as well and they desperately need his physicality to break up the cycle.
      I have no problem with Nesterov’s game but just prefer more beef on the blueline.

      who loves ya baby!

  55. iha8losin says:

    Sebastien Collbergh
    Dalton Thrower
    Tim Boson

    All drafted by MTL ahead of Colton Parayko.

    If you want to pinpoint what’s wrong with the Habs look no further than the amateur scouting dept. It’s done a lousy job. Time to fire Timmins.

    • adamkennelly says:

      I agree…I love (hate) going through drafts on hockeydb – see all our misses right in front of you…granted I don’t know the Habs draft record vs. other teams overall….

    • Strummer says:

      20/20 hindsight is so easy!
      85 picks were made ahead of Parayko. Habs were in good company.
      Late 3rd round picks are a total crap shoot.

      BTW Colberg was 3rd ranked European skater by Central Scouting that year (2012)
      Bozon scored 91 points for Kamloops the season following his draft.

      Not bad picks if you ask me.

      -Some folks really have trouble letting go of stuff, eh?-

      • New says:

        To me the only thing more surprising than Colberg available when they drafted was that Colberg did not become a solid NHL player.

        Just goes to show you. Sometimes circumstances make you look better than you actually are.

    • on2ndthought says:

      Sam Kurker
      Jordan Schmaltz
      Mackenzie MacEachern

      All drafted by STL ahead of Colton Parayko.

      If you want to pinpoint what’s wrong with your argument, do some research.

      Free Front.

  56. haberoo13 says:

    It’s been a while
    A loss tonight (regardless of how), Molson has to tell MB: Foxhole or your job!


  57. adamkennelly says:

    as painful as it is to read expat_habsfan has it nailed…

    history crap – when the league became competitive – Habs have failed to win – period.

    MB is a clown in a nice suit and MT is a buffoon who will never take a team to the promise land…He will never land another head coaching gig unless Quebec City gets a team..

    forget the potential 2 game losing streak – what is the Habs record in last 10? 3-5-2 and one of those 3 came against the worst team in the league and required OT – What more does Molson need to see?

    do something man!

  58. thebonscott says:

    I would rather have Berglund than hanzal any day. Hope the habs don’t go all in this year, the plekanec and desharnais 10 million combined is an anchor that will have to be let loose this summer, then and only then can they go for it.

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