About last night …


(Photo by Stuart Gradon of the Calgary Herald)

They say brevity is the soul of wit.
Hope so, because this is the shortest ALN EVER.
It’s going on midnight in Calgary and I have to be on a 7:30 a.m. flight to Edmonton, where the Canadiens will practice Wednesday afternoon.

Eric Duhatschek of the Globe & mail has seen a lot more hockey than I have.

Duhatschek was kind enough to give Marc Antoine Godin and me a lift back to the hotel, and en route he rhapsodized about the good old days of Flames-Canadiens hockey.

These teams are a long way removed from the Stanley Cup finals.

Ravaged by injuries, Calgary had six AHLers in the lineup and won anyway.

The other day, a Calgary broadcaster was talking about the Flames being in “no man’s land”. They are close enough to to a playoff spot – 11th place, two points out of eighth – to create the illusion that Calgary is a decent hockey team that only requires minor tinkering, as opposed to the major rebuild this observer thought was necessary.

We harbour no such fantasies in Montreal.

The Canadiens are bad, and they’ve been bad – with gusts to very bad – all season.

The irony is a major rebuild might not be necessary.

There is a good core of young players – including Max Pacioretty, who popped a couple against the Flames.

Lottery draft pick, a new coach and general manager, some buyouts, the return of Andrei Markov …

Well, I’ve lapsed into delirium.

This old fart needs his beauty sleep.

More from Edmonton tomorrow.


  1. habfan53 says:

    PLEASE would all of you calling for Montreal to trade for Huberdeau from Florida tell me WHY Florida would. He will be in the NHL next year .
    Any draft pick we send is 2-3 years away.
    Florida will make the playoffs this year and will only get stronger with him next year again not 2-3 years from now.

    Huberdeau to Montreal will not happen

    I guess this is the current version of Lecavelier to Montreal!!!!

    to paraphrase Nixon: If the Bruins do it, it is not illegal

  2. LA Loyalist says:

    To the poster bagging on Theodore down below.

    Theodore won 3 playoff series for us, including 2 against Boston.
    Theodore won the Vezina and the Hart in 2002

    Price won ____ playoff series
    Price won ____ trophies for Habs

    Did Theo go off the rails? Yeah, but the point is I wouldn’t canonize Price just yet.

    The most annoying thing on HIO is people not understanding the difference between opinion, and facts. For example:

    “Price likes rodeo and does it in the summer.” This is FACT
    “Price shouldn’t do rodeo because it’s gay.” “This is OPINION.

    “Price can’t stop shootouts.” This is FACT.
    “Shootouts don’t matter because we get the loser point anyway.” This is OPINION.

    Viva la difference.

  3. Hobie Hansen says:

    I’m not saying it’s right or wrong but it is obvious Price has been giving it about 75% lately. He knows he has a garbage team in front of him, especially defense, at the moment.

    It’s debatable whether or not a goaltender on a garbage team should give it 100% on a lost season.

    People who say Price is not a top quality goaltender are nuts.

    You put Price on Philadelphia, Winnipeg or another slightly better than average team and they’d become elite.

    • RiverviewCanadien says:

      Price is a top quality goalie for sure. But he is not the sole reason the Habs have won games this year.

      Maybe you are right…what’s the point in giving it 100% when there is nothing to play for.

      • LA Loyalist says:

        How about:

        1. Personal pride
        2. Dignity
        3. Character
        4. Loyalty to your team mates
        5. Loyalty to the poor suffering fans who pay hundreds of dollars a seat to watch you.
        6. The fact that you’re getting paid millions to play.

        Shall I go on?

        • shiram says:

          Yes, go on.

        • Mr_MacDougall says:

          How about real life. I had a job where the whole company was working hard to ensure we stayed on a particular time line. Approximately 75% through completion of the project we were way ahead of schedule, which led to very low pressure to perform. From top down the workers kind of “mailed it in” for the rest of the job. There was no pressure, and we all worked at about 80%. We all had pride, dignity, character and loyalty. We were just in a position where “busting our balls” would have no impact on the successful completion of the project.

          I will not list all the key points linking this analogy to Price’s situation, an intelligent person like yourself should be able to open your mind to a reasonable hypothesis.

    • shiram says:

      Maybe if his backup could play more than 12 games a season, it would help a bit too.

  4. RiverviewCanadien says:

    So every other team would rather Price than what they have? I HIGHLY doubt that. Sure there are some teams that would, but come on people, be realistic. Not every team would trade their current goalie in for Price.

    I like Price and I am glad he is a Hab, but seriously he is to blame some nights when they lose, don’t kid yourselves. The excuse used to be that they did not score enough. I checked, they scored 4 goals last night and still lost. That loss is on Price folks. He was not good enough.

    When the Habs win, it is not only because of Price and when they lose it is not the fault of everyone else but Price.

    • 44har48 says:

      I think I agree to a point with what you are saying, but come on man, last night????? We should have been down 5-0 10 minutes in. Price is the only reason that game was close at the end. And I agree he has been ordinary this year and I was expecting more in his development.

    • jedimyrmidon says:

      Evidently, “fans” like to completely disregard the many good saves Price made last night during the earlier portions of the game to keep the Habs in the game. But, after a while, with defensive breakdowns after defensive breakdowns, what do you expect Price to do?

      Hey, I admit some of the goals Price lets in are bad. And that giveaway that led to the 5th goal was bad. BUT on an entire team bumbling around except for maybe the top line, why would you set your sights on Price? Just because he’s the last line of defense (and the only line of defense most of the time). Gorges had an off-night and that doesn’t happen often. Emelin was -3. Campoli and Kaberle can’t win defesnive battles period. So why turn your focus on Price.

  5. Habsrule1 says:

    Ok, to get away from the Price talk cause those who are saying he’s not great are crazy…..

    I know we are not all in agreement about Patrick Roy as coach, but…..if they do decide he is the next coach, would it not be smart to hire him as soon as the season ends so he can help prepare the draft? Who better to help out than someone who has seen every player from the Q? If he’s going to be coach, he has to be at the draft table in June.


    Go Habs Go!!

    “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • GrimJim says:

      Yes the coach needs to be hired as soon as possible and preferably before the draft but IMO the first step has got to be the GM. The two have to work together, IMO. Roy is likely used to calling his own (he’s owner GM and coach, for pete’s sake), with the Habs he may be bench boss but he would be low man on the management totem pole. Hiring himm before you hire his immediate supervisor basically tells Roy that he is more important than the GM. I don’t think that is the optimum working environment…

      • Habsrule1 says:

        Agreed, so really I should have said they need to hire the GM & coach asap. The question is, will the GM really have free reign in hiring the coach or has that been predetermined?

        Go Habs Go!!

        “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

        • GrimJim says:

          I would really hope that the head coaching decision hasn’t been made yet. We all look at Roy because he is a former Habs but Gerald Gallant has NHL head coaching experience and has been tearing up the Q with the Sea Dogs. Or what if Vancouver doesn’t win the cup and Alain Vignault gets fired as scapegoat or Dave Tippett wants out of the gong show that is Pheonix?

  6. RGM says:

    Dumbass Randy Cunneyworth is back!

    GO HABS GO! 2011-12 is probably not our year!
    “Scott Gomez is an elite NHL player” – VancouverHab

    Chat with me on Twitter @TheRealRGM81

  7. EastCoastJoe says:

    I’m really high on the idea of trading our #1 pick plus whatever it takes (a #2 also, and/or Weber or Diaz – something along those lines) in order to get Jonathon Huberdeau from Florida. This kid is amazing to watch. If he packs on a few pounds he will be the force at centre this team really needs. A happy coincidence that he is from Quebec. That’s apparently as important to the Habs as it is to Don Cherry to have boys from Onatrio on the Laffs.
    Hopefully we have management with foresight before long that have the ability to pull off this type of deal.

  8. JoeC says:

    Alot of people make it sound like Price wouldnt even be a starter on the leafs!! How can ANYONE blame him for this year? Really?

    I have a question, when he signs long term with this team, will you Price haters find a new team to cheer for? Because the pure hatred some of you show for him might lead to stress induced cardiac arrest!

    When a goalie on a team is wanted by 29 other teams, and has been talked about being a top tier goalie in the league for years to come, how come fans of the team think hes terrible? I still hear nothing in general media about how amazing Halak is, just hear how amazing the Blues have been this year? I think most normal hockey fans agree that the team makes the goalie when its as good as say the BLues, not the goalies skill, for god sakes Elliot is one of the leagues top goalies, they really did a mistake trading Bishop

    • RGM says:

      People really just can’t appreciate what we have. The guy is being touted as the likely #1 goalie for Team Canada in Sochi if the NHL goes to the Olympics in 2014, but we should trade him for a first rounder, sign some Antti Niemi type, and hope for the best with that. Foolishness.

      GO HABS GO! 2011-12 is probably not our year!
      “Scott Gomez is an elite NHL player” – VancouverHab

      Chat with me on Twitter @TheRealRGM81

      • JoeC says:

        I agree, how is he not regarded as a building block by some is beyond me, hell, hes actually the anti christ to some, so puzzling

      • The Cat says:

        Yeah a guy who actually won something…What a downgrade…Im just curious how long excuses will continue to rain for Price. When the team loses its cause they dont score, when they score and lose -well the defense is awful…If Price needs such ideal conditions to win a game, why put him in, could do just as well with a cardboard cutout.

        [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

    • habsnation says:

      Meanwhile all the TSN analysts are picking Price as one of the starters for Canada for the Olympics in 2014. He plays with such an awful team in front of him that if he’s not perfect he lets in 4 goals. Price sometimes lets in soft ones, but so does everyone else, Gustavson let in a shot that was going wide in OT 2 weeks ago, and Pacioretty’s goal last night was anything but highlight reel.

      If you go around the league, there is no goalie that is perfect, but there is also very few goalies who put up the numbers and the performance Price has in the past few years, despite having an awful team in front of him. Boston’s goalies led the league in GAA the past 3 years (Thomas, Rask, Thomas) do you guys really feel that Price wouldn’t be putting up similar numbers if he had that team in front of him.

      • JoeC says:

        Yep yep, still waiting for the Price haters to rip my post apart with there dribble they spew on this board over and over, because still think Halak would have this team in the playoffs, since he woulda won all those shootouts and we STILL wouldnt be in the playoffs, even thoiugh Price seems to be blamed on not being in the big show cause of the shoot outs.

        • habsnation says:

          Halak isn’t even the best goalie on his team statistically speaking this year. Brian Elliott leads the league is GAA and Save%. Halak is just behind in GAA and both have 6 shutouts this year.

          Do Halak fans also think Elliott is better than Price? Or is it time for people to wake up and realize that maybe a goalie can only do so much for his team.

  9. habsnation says:

    At the risk of being blinded by hope, I actually agree that this team may be closer to contending then what we see now. I think they are a couple changes away from possibly being a solid hockey team.
    If the young guys take this offseason to really work on their games and improve (see Pacioretty) the habs could ice a somewhat competitive club next year.
    Much has been made of Shane Doan, who is Price’s cousin, and of him maybe coming to Montreal. If I’m Habs management I would be offering Pheonix a package (Gomez + a conditional pick) for Doan’s rights before July 1. If the Habs can sign Doan then a depth defenceman could be all that is missing.

    Lineup could look like this:
    Geoffrion- White – Darche/Moen

    Subban- Gorges
    Markov- Emelin
    Diaz- ???

    To me this looks like a pretty solid forward group and a very good top 4. Add in some of the rookies and young guys who may challenge for spots and this team should be able to compete. Maybe its wishful thinking, but I think the pieces are there for the Habs to build off and despite how bad they are now, I don’t think this team is that far away.

    • JoeC says:

      So Doan is all this team needs to go from worst to first? Really? I wish i was as optimisic as you are

      • kempie says:

        Step 1: Collect underpants
        Step 2: ???
        Step 3: Win Stanley Cup

      • habsnation says:

        Not saying that. Just using Doan as an example of how the Habs have the foundation to build of and that they aren’t as far away as some people make them out to be. They also had 5 prospects at the world Jr this year who should help contribute to the team going forward.

        • JoeC says:

          Hey im not saying we dont possibly have the building blocks, but this team needs alot more then Doan to help it, to be honest, our defence needs the major overhaul much more then our offence. Gallager will been good on this team when we dont have Gionta, not before, Tinordi is blah, not much faith in him atm, and our defence is a crap shoot in terms of prospects, might work out, might not in the NHL.

          • habsnation says:

            Well I think we can both agree the building all starts with Price.

            As for the D. I think a healthy Markov gives the Habs a pretty good top 4. Emelin should improve a bit over the offseason and I think playing with another Russian in Markov would also help him develop. I think Diaz, Weber, Henry, St-Denis all are marginal players at best, but really the habs just need to acquire one steady stay at home D to play 15 minutes a game whose job it is to simply limit his and his partners mistakes

            Tinordi needs to improve his skating to be a top end guy, but even if he doesn’t his size should allow him to be a 5-6 guy easily (Hal Gill style). Beaulieu is really the guy I want to watch and see how he fits with the team.

        • Mike D says:

          Doan is a good player, but he’s been with the same franchise his whole career. Unless they choose not to re-sign him, I don’t see him going anywhere.

          – Honestly yours
          Twitter: @de_benny

          • habsnation says:

            There is talk of him not wanting to re-sign in Phoenix and that he maybe be willing to come to play with his cousin in MTL. I think the trade would make sense for both teams IF Phoenix doesn’t think they can re-sign him. But that’s a big if

    • JimBob says:

      That lineup would be as bad, if not worse, than this year…

      No one is going to want Gomez, get that out of your head. The Scabs are going to have to bury him in the minors, though I’d be just as happy if the Rizzutos would do the city a favor and just bury him. Period.

      Gionta…Pffft…. Can’t we move this guy? How the hell did he become captain of the team? Totally over-rated, and not worth the money, like his buddy from Alaska.

      Markov? Dear lord, let’s see if the guy can manage to play a game before we start planning out his defense pairing for next year. i’ll be suprised if he can string together 15 games without blowing his wonky knee out yet again, so a whole season is, to me, ‘pie-in-the-sky’ thinking, to say the least. Besides, he’s going to be one hit, or one bad move, away from the operating table for the rest of his career, however long that may be…I liked him, but I’ve gotten over it…The Markov we knew is gone, kaput, fini….this Markov is a coin-toss.

      Doan? Dear God no… Please, not another washed-up has-been on the tail end of his career. No.

      Bourque? Move this guy over the summer as well. He’s never going to work out here.

      Geoffrion, Darche, Diaz, and Leblanc… Wow, are we really that bad that these guys are the best we’ll be able to ice?

      • JoeC says:

        I think Gomez might be tradable to a cap floor team this year actually, at what 5 million to pay hes not as bad as the 7.5, and as bad as he is, some teams might take a chance on him to just get to cap floor next year, he does have some upside yet. I just want him off the habs

        • JimBob says:

          I can’t wrap my head around this idea of someone wanting Gomez just so they can spend enough to hit the cap floor… To me, it’s illogical.

          If you’re honestly just looking to throw good money away, why not then over-pay someone who actually might bring something positive to your team?

          You know, positive…as in goals, assists, stuff like that 🙂

  10. VTHockey11 says:

    Good news:

    Columbus is 5-4-1 in their last 10 and have won 3 in a row. They’re 9 points back of us with a game in hand.

    #1 is getting closer to our reach.

    Bad News:

    #1 Pick is getting closer to our reach, which means we suck.

    It’s no longer even remotely enjoyable watching this team since we only have one line that tries on the ice.

    I’m considering buying tickets to see the Habs in DC again at the end of the month (saw the game last month, too) but wondering if it’s worth it. Ended up depressed and angry watching the 4-1 drubbing we took.

    • Mike D says:

      Columbus is 11 points back of us and I doubt the last place team in the league can make up that much ground with only 16 games remaining, even if we lost every game we have left…and I’m sure we’ll win at least a couple.

      – Honestly yours
      Twitter: @de_benny

      • VTHockey11 says:

        Hey, a man can dream, right?

        They’re winning. We can’t win if it’s handed to us in an open net.

        I won’t count it out given our play of late. I didn’t think we could be worse than we have been all season, but the last 10 games or so have been truly horrible.

  11. Mattyleg says:

    Morning every…. oops, I seem to have walked into the kiddie pool by mistake.

    How embarrassing.

    Nice post below, Punkster; blame is such a pointless exercise in general, and in team sports in particular. You hit the nail on the head.

    Gots a question for you all.
    Well, for most of you. The ones who know what they’re talking about.
    Was discussing this with a Flamer buddy of mine as we watched the ‘game’ last night:

    He was saying that Canadians underperform in Canada, and people from the province (or even moreso, city) that the team is located in suffer from all the media coverage and pressure that they get there.

    I made the argument that most hockey players don’t pay attention to the media, ESPECIALLY in places like Montreal and Toronto, where there is so much blatant nonsense posted every day by people who don’t have a clue about what is going on in the locker room, that they switch it off like white noise.

    The argument went in windy circles, spiraling down to the bottom of the 5th empty pitcher without determining anything except that we’d both have a headache in the morning.

    Where do you guys stand on this?

    [edit – looks like the lifeguards kicked the brats out for adult swim time]

    I’ve been saaaaved!!
    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • shiram says:

      They’ll always say they don’t pay attention to it, and I’m sure most try their best not to, but they have familly and friends, and I’m sure of it gets to them.
      Just yesterday, the rumour about Gomez denying a trade to the Islanders, Stubbs went and asked him about it, so it can definately get to the players.

      Right now the team is really bad, and so people are trying to find out why and what is wrong, so any possible explanation gets myabe more credit than it’s due.

    • VTHockey11 says:

      I would say that it depends on the player.

      Never saw Henri Richard or Jean Beliveau or Patrick Roy cave under the media scrutiny that comes with being a Quebecois star playing in Montreal.

      It’s all about disposition and I think Montreal is basically the brightest spotlight of all. It takes maturity, mental toughness, and good humor to survive it. You have to realize people will highlight every mistake you make while never bringing up the 100 solid plays you’ll make in between. It comes with the territory and some people can’t handle it.

      I think a guy like Martin St. Louis would thrive in Montreal (to the same extent he does in Tampa) while a guy like Lecavalier doesn’t seem to have the same mental toughness to me and would fade.

      Long story short, I think it’s all about mental toughness and there’s no correlation between it being tougher as a Canadian player in Canada. There are just mentally tough players and mentally weaker players.

    • derfab says:

      They are great athletes who are expected to be very disciplined. But as pros, they are celebrities, and they would have to be as narcissistic as they come. They have, after all, been stars at one level or another since childhood.

      The press and the realm of fantasy, of which we are a part, all go into the soupy show and its contract negotiations.

      Otherwise, I say it’s all YOUR fault.

  12. HankHardball says:

    Tony says we need to blow it up and start over. Not try to come back in one year. He also says Mike Ribeiro would be the best centerman on this team.

    I guess Tony’s forgotten that if not for a refereeing mistake, we would’ve beaten the Stanley Cup champions in last year’s playoffs. And I guess he’s also forgotton that the year before we went to the Conference Finals. And I suppose it’s beyond his memory that Ribeiro stunk the joint out when he was here.

  13. HNS says:

    Cardiac, the goalies you list there are hi end talent. I don’t mind paying the money but I remember Habs paying Theodore 5.5 after a decent playoff run and you know the rest. We’ve seen these guys you list steal a game once in a while. When was the last time Price stole one? What I’ve noticed is him giving up a soft goal or two. And with our squad not being able to get the equalizer, game over. I don’t even want to talk about his shoot out loses.

    • JimBob says:

      You know that we actually have to score goals in a shoot-out for us to, you know…..win a shoot-out, right?

    • Mattyleg says:

      All you’ve noticed is Price giving up a soft goal or two?
      You clearly don’t notice very much.
      Or, you are focused on ‘noticing’ the negatives over the positives.
      In order for a goalie to ‘steal’ a game, the forwards need to score at least a goal or two.
      Price has made the 5th most saves in the league and his team is last in the East. Figure it out.

      I’ve been saaaaved!!
      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • RGM says:

        Some men just want to watch the Habs burn.

        GO HABS GO! 2011-12 is probably not our year!
        “Scott Gomez is an elite NHL player” – VancouverHab

        Chat with me on Twitter @TheRealRGM81

  14. shiram says:

    Interesting piece… for those crying for more Quebecois on the team.
    Which team has the most local talent on their roster?
    The Senators and the Wild both boasting 5 players from their region.
    After that comes Habs, Flames and Oilers with 3 from their own region.

    Leafs of course have no Ontario player.

  15. Cardiac says:

    I read a lot, point me to an article where his agent is quoted in saying they’re asking $5 million.

    “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
    – Jerry Maguire

  16. FuzE_gus says:

    I’m a passionate Habs fan and have been since the 70s (dating myself). As a transplanted Montrealer living in Toronto I take pride in the achievements of “OUR” team. This year has been painful without a doubt. However, there is opportunity here to pick up an asset that has been missing from this team for decades…if executed properly. Being an average, bubble team is a curse (see Toronto). Montreal has been riding the bubble going on 2 decades. I hate losing but relish it now. Let’s forget this season, check our pride and hope management takes advantage of this rare situation to finally bring in an impact player. This will set the course for the next decade. Choose wisely!

    With Regards from FuzE_gus

  17. krob1000 says:

    IF there is a management/coaching change as many expect I think it very possible the Habs try and sign Andrei K back.

  18. Kooch7800 says:

    Wow, the hate on this site is unreal lately. According to the fans on this site a 6 million dollar player who is majorly underachieving should have got us someone like Rick Nash and Draft picks, Our Goalie that any team would want sucks…….a n inconsistent winger with 12 goals and consistency issues should have got a high first rounder plus other picks……

    We are starting to sound like LEAF fans

    • shiram says:

      Cammy had to moved sure, but the return is not great, not saying Habs could have gotten a superstar, but a guy who cares would have been a start.
      Price is great, he has off nights on an underachieving team.
      I’d have kept AK…

      • Kooch7800 says:

        I didn’t mind AK if you could have had him at similar to Bourque money or under 4 mill a season. Anything more it wouldn’t work. It would be tough to have them both on the same team

        I am just getting a kick out of some of these comments and how dumb they sound. Price isn’t the problem on this team…not by a long shot. We have an AHL defense core and it was really apparent the last couple games. It won’ t be as bad next year when you put markov and another experienced D back there. Makes a big difference and I think PK will be better playing less minutes.

        Bourque hasn’t played great since he came but his numbers are very similar to Cammy’s who makes 3 mill more a season plus we got a 2nd rounder….Cammy was/is done being the player he was. His game needs to change.

        • shiram says:

          Then the knock on Bourque is the term, maybe that guy needs short term deals to keep motivated.
          As for the D being AHL grade, well half the forwards are too.

          • Kooch7800 says:

            100% we are really short on a top 6 forward. We need a sniper to replace what Cammy was supposed to be. AK is gone….bourque somewhat fills his role but we have nothing replace in the top 6. It should be an interesting offseason.

            I would try moving Eller to Wing and use LL as the third line centre. Put Eller with Pleks until the end of the season to see if they have some chemistry.

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        • boing007 says:

          Leaving aside last year, Price’s best years as a goaltender were when he was in the WHL and the AHL. WHL defense, AHL defense.

          Richard R

  19. HNS says:

    Price is another Theodore. And this guy wants 5 mil + ??? I don’t think so.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      If you think Price is like theodore you are crazy

    • Cardiac says:

      Theo’s record the past three seasons is 63-30-16 including 30-7-7 with the Caps. You stick a decent goalie on a powerhouse and watch them win.

      You want a decent starting goalie willing to play 70+ games, the asking price is $4-7 million, look around the league:

      Lundqvist $6,875,000.00
      Luongo $6,716,000.00
      Ward $6,300,000.00
      Miller $6,250,000.00
      Backstrom $6,000,000.00
      Kiprusoff $6,000,000.00
      Fleury $5,500,000.00
      Brodeur $5,200,000.00
      Thomas $5,000,000.00
      Hiller $4,500,000.00
      Rinne $4,000,000.00

      And if we trade him, I guarantee we’d get more than David Aebischer. Price is a hot commodity.

      “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
      – Jerry Maguire

      • Strummer says:

        Goalies seem to be paid more fairly compared to some of the recent forward signings- i. e. Hemsky, Ruutu, Grabovski.

        Price hasn’t achieved anything yet compared to the goalies you listed.

        Off the top of my head I would say all have either Stanley Cup, Conn Smythe, Vezina (or nomination), Jennings, All Star (end of season) or Olympic Selection.


        “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

  20. HabsFan82 says:

    We don’t need centermen, we need 4-Good wingers to go with Plekanec and Eller. Cole and Pacioretty are the only wingers that do anything on this team except for Gionta the rest is deadwood. whom ever manages this team next year I hope they see that and make the appropiate changes. with a little fine tuning on “D” this team would be a very good team.
    everyone seems to think toughness is the answer. I agree we have to be tougher, but it’s no good if they can’t put up points. so we’re big and tough still can’t score what did we gain nothing gotta be a combo. until that happens we’re going nowhere.

  21. shiram says:

    Bourque is not an upgrade over AK.
    Of course, the Habs save on the cap hit for now, and that second pick might turn out good, but Bourque is not delivering on what he was supposed to bring to the team.
    He is not hitting much, he does not seem to scramble to the net much and he does not score.

    He is clearly not top 6 material right now, though he seems to have the skill to play there. Keep him on a third line, and try to build chemistry with whomever he is playing with.
    Habs still missing at least another top 6 winger for next season.

    • slamtherimtim says:

      i have never seen a player give up on the puck like this guy does , he just turns away and skates in the other direction ,and you can see him giving up on the play, this guy is brutal

    • Bill says:

      Bourque is the most disinterested, least involved player I have seen on the Habs since … I think I have to go back to Donald Audette. He is horrible. I would actually rather keep GOMEZ and I am dead-serious.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        Ya you’re right on that one Bill. It’s nice that’s he’s big and tough but he certainly looks disinterested most of the time.

        I’m hoping that he and a few other players are just going through the motions and will pick it up next September.

        • Bill says:

          Is he tough? That is a rumour as far as I’m concerned! I haven’t seen much evidence of it in the corners.

          Full Breezer 4 Life

          • Mr_MacDougall says:

            Bill, If Bourque gets suspended again this year, how much will it cost him? 8 games? a lot of “cake.”

            He is playing soft to save his ass!

          • Bill says:

            ^^ Hey, I’m not suggesting he should be dishing out headshots, just saying it would be nice to see some compete in the corners and along the boards.

            Bourque isn’t playing soft to save his ass, he’s just a soft, lazy player, and is actually well-known as such. The tiger doesn’t change his stripes, as they say.

            Full Breezer 4 Life

          • Mr_MacDougall says:

            I don’t like him. If I wanted a floater, I’d suggest bringing back Kovalev.. probably half the cost and among the best all time in shootouts (career 50%).

      • shiram says:

        Maybe the suspension killed some of his energy, the guy potted 27 goals in his last 2 seasons.
        A real Canadian enigma this guy.

      • matt jordan says:

        you can’t be serious.

        Bourque sleepwalking through this season has twice as many goals (since the trade) as Gomez.

        But i’d rather have neither.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Given what Grabovski signed for with Toronto, you have to wonder what AK is going to get on the open market this summer (assuming he isn’t signed by Nashville sooner).

      I could see someone giving him 5mill per for 3-4 years.

      • shiram says:

        He’s doing good there too, only what 3 or 4 games, but he is a PPG since going there.
        He could get 5 millions, I agree.

      • krob1000 says:

        I think 4.5 woould be his best offer on the open market….however, I think Montreal could sign him for 15 or 16 million for 4 years….IF we have a coaching/gm change that is.

  22. derfab says:

    Besides Subban, the Habs D was awful yesterday. Kaberle got a flukey assist on a blocked shot but otherwise sucked, as usual, bailed out by Price when Gorges and Emelin weren’t. Still, Markov doesn’t look ready so we are stuck with this guy for now. Hopefully, he can be persuaded to leave over the summer. Diaz and Campoli should be moved to make room for Beaulieu (who is nhl ready now) if there are any takers.

    • Bill says:

      Wow, Beaulieu is NHL ready right now? Beaulieu is not close to being NHL ready. I am actually curious what you base that statement on.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

      • derfab says:

        8 months ago he showed better speed, better hands, better shot, better vision than all of our D, save Subban. He is nasty and has decent size as well. I am guessing that he has had a little trouble keeping his focus in junior since that camp. They kept Diaz as an interim but are going to have trouble if they hold this very talented kid down too long.

        • Bill says:

          Well, D-men his age seldom jump right into the NHL after Junior, and almost never make the club in their draft year, as you’re suggesting he should’ve done.

          Subban was drafted, played another year of junior, then spent a full season in the AHL, and that is a fast track for a D. Beaulieu will have to do at least as much development time, and in my opinion, probably more: I would expect two years in the AHL.

          Full Breezer 4 Life

          • Mr_MacDougall says:

            If Beaulieau is AHL ready then he is “Habs NHL Ready.”

          • derfab says:

            6’3″, 192 lbs. 50 points in 49 games this year, after the team fired his father. Drafted and played Junior at 15. Youngest D-man to ever participate in Team canada camp. Less flashy but much steadier than Subban at the same age (who was also green but ready). You are probably right that he will be asked to play in Hamilton but he is presently a better hockey player than at least 3 of our d-men.

    • habfan53 says:

      How is Beaulieu “nhl ready” He JUST turned 19. Most experts agree a defenceman takes longer to mature . Look at Byers with Buffalo last year and this year. Karlson is an execption in Ottawa this year.
      Please we have ruined enough young talent lets not rush the kid.

      to paraphrase Nixon: If the Bruins do it, it is not illegal

      • ont fan says:

        Beaulieu ready? sheesh give me a break.

        • Mr_MacDougall says:

          One would hope that he could be better than Weber or Campoli, even at 19.

          • ont fan says:

            The problem with all our junior prospects is they need to play against men with 20+ pounds and experience. These guys need to adapt and be good in the next league rather thrown into the fire. I look at Michelle Wie and think if she would have won more growing up, she would have a better time of it in the pros.

          • Mr_MacDougall says:

            Isnt she in college now? amazing, turns pro at 14?? and 6 years later attends college.. I doubt she had much of an adolescent life.

    • Mike D says:

      Campoli only signed a one year deal which ends July 1st. No need to move him. Just let his contract expire.

      Besides, it’s after the trade deadline so we couldn’t move him now anyways even if there were takers.

      – Honestly yours
      Twitter: @de_benny

    • mattyboom says:

      Sorry, Beaulieu is not ready. He is good…against 16, 17, 18 year olds. Some who will never play in the NHL. He was not very good in the world Juniors, against elite players who will most likely play in the NHL. He is not very big yet and needs to continue working on his defense. Maybe he’ll play in Hamilton next year, but even that is just a possibility. Tinordi is more NHL ready than him, and even Tinordi needs a year in the AHL. They have succeeded in the Juniors, but it’s the juniors.

      Offense wins games, defense wins championships. Best defense is a good offense. Vicious circle.

      • Mr_MacDougall says:

        Unless the Habs sign a couple of defense-man in the off season, one of the young guys will have a legitimate chance at making the team, if given a fair chance.

        The team has Subban, Markov, Gorges, Emelin, Kaberle as “guarantees.” The 6-7 spots are WIDE OPEN! Maybe the (new) management will want to protect the kids and give the job to Weber, I’d like to see a competition for the final spot(s) on D.

        In an ideal world, Markov is healthy, Kabs is moved, the team signs Brian Allen along with a bottom pairing physical Dman.

  23. HabinBurlington says:

    Question to our East Coast Fans who watch Junior Hockey.

    Has anybody seen Matej Beran play this season? He is a 6’4″ 211lb centreman playing for PEI in the QMJHL. He is currently rated 59th in Central Scouting, which is around the area (within 5 picks) of where our 2nd round pick should be.

    He is from Czech Republic.


    • Mr_MacDougall says:

      I live in PEI, going to see Nathan Mackinnon on the last game of the season… I’ll give you my “one game scouting report.”

      Or, if you want to arrange for dinner, tickets, concessions, souvenirs, booze, and a cab for my girlfriend and I, I’ll check out the next home game. I’ll even write furiously in my notepad ala JM.

  24. ont fan says:

    I posted this below too..St Louis had a terribble PP and Halak had 3.35 gaa .924 save % before Hitchcock showed up with a plan. Get a bonified coach with pedigree in here. Please no AHL coaches.

  25. habfan53 says:

    As bad as the HABS are and lets face it they are bad, you have to wonder how much of a difference Markov and Gionta would have made.
    Markov probably 20 less goals against.
    Gionta scores 10 more goals
    That would be a plus 15 instead of a minus 15.

    Markov 7 more PP (team) goals easily
    Markov and Gionta 10 less blown leads Pick up 15 points
    Markov and Gionta another 2or 3 wins over and above the blown leads.
    That would be easily 20 more points that would have Montreal in 6th if not 3rd.

    As mike says the nucleus is there for next year
    MAX- DD-Cole
    Leblanc-Pleks- Gionta


    Price- ?????

    to paraphrase Nixon: If the Bruins do it, it is not illegal

    • derfab says:

      Leblanc is a good kid but has no business on the second line. He needs to get stronger to play on the third and really looks like he needs a full year in Hamilton. Bourque can play on the third if someone can get him going but we need another winger with hands to contend in any way.

      • habfan53 says:

        I don’t disagree however I do like the hustle Leblanc has shown . Plus we As for Bourque we have his contract for 2 years or less and I’m not impressed with his effort the last 2-3 weeks

        to paraphrase Nixon: If the Bruins do it, it is not illegal

      • mattyboom says:

        I am worried about Bourque. It was a mistake to get him. It wasn’t a mistake to trade Cammalleri however. How will someone get him going? he’s being paid over 3 mil to get himself going. he can at least skate, but half the time you dont even see him doing that! and what can get someone going more than playing for the habs in the loudest arena. And finally, even Iginla couldnt get him out of his incosistent self. Even Iginla couldnt get him to play game after game. If he can’t do it, NOBODY in the habs dressing room can. only thing in habs organization that can maybe trigger something is that cozy seat up in the pressbox for a game or two. show him we are not messing around

        Offense wins games, defense wins championships. Best defense is a good offense. Vicious circle.

    • banjo bernie says:

      Why are you picking on the BRUINS…..they have skilled players and core goals….get a life


      • habfan53 says:

        Because I’m a HABS fan hate Leafs, Bruins then no thats it Hate Leafs and Bruins.

        to paraphrase Nixon: If the Bruins do it, it is not illegal

    • Garcia129 says:

      Don’t forget, Markov is aces in shoot outs. That backhand 5 hole move works all the time. Gionta would normally be in shoot outs as well. With them in the lineup, you have to think we’d be .500 or better in shoot outs, instead of 4 – 8. That’s another few points.

      That said, lets say it all together now: FAIL FOR NAIL!

      In Price we Trust

  26. punkster says:

    Let me just ramble a bit here on one of my well worn themes. It’s about the need for people to “lay blame” and find a “scapegoat” for when things go wrong.

    Every single Habs loss, in fact each and every GA, seems to be a magnet for the blame game. The puck crosses the goal line so someone must be blamed. And of course all the usual suspects are lined up so the favorites can be identified and vilified. Even if it’s a giant clusterfudge by all 5 or 6 guys on the ice the goat horns must be trotted out and plunked proudly on the head of the blamed one.

    Tells me just how much experience people have working with teams, either leading or being a part of a functioning organization, whether it be in sports, business, the arts and possibly any other work or leisure endeavor in life that requires teamwork. I doubt there were many in the Habs dressing room looking to blame any of their team mates or management for the loss last night or the failure of this season. If there are they will surely be on their way out in the off season.

    Why? They’re professionals and at this point they’re struggling to find answers of their own to why a group of reasonably talented and fairly dedicated young guys can’t seem to score a few more goals, stop a few more shots and string together a few more wins to lift themselves out of this funk.

    Blame is for kids on a playground.

    ***Subbang Baby!!!***

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Well thanks, now I feel very guilty. 🙂

    • DorvalTony says:

      “A proof is a proof. What kind of a proof? It’s a proof. A proof is
      a proof. And when you have a good proof, it’s because it’s proven.” – Jean Crooktien

    • Chris says:

      Good post.

      Blame is a curious thing. I actually kind of like the way they do it in tennis (an admittedly much easier sport to assess because there is only one or two people on each side). When you look at the summary of a tennis match, they frequently discuss forced versus unforced errors.

      A fundamental commonality between various sports is that each side is trying to pressure their opponent into making a mistake. (As an aside, this is why I struggle to include golf as a traditional sport…golf pits an individual against a course. This isn’t to say it isn’t hard, but more that it is a solitary pursuit where mental fortitude is second only to talent in determining a player’s success.)

      In football, quarterbacks are credited with an interception when the ball is picked off or with a sack when they are brought down on a play. This is all that shows up in the stats at the end of the game or season. But any football fan can tell you that not all interceptions are created equally: some are simply poor throws or poor decisions by the quarterback, but others are so-called “coverage” interceptions (or sacks) or perhaps deflections of catchable balls by a receiver. A sack is occasionally the fault of a quarterback who holds on to the ball too long, but just as often it is the result of a great defensive play or a missed blocking assignment…the quarterback never had a chance.

      In hockey, elaborate defensive systems and extensive video coaching help defensive players try to force the puck-carrier into coughing it up. Similarly, an offensive unit employs passing, cycling and stick-handling skill to try to force a defensive player or unit into making a mistake. By forcing people to constantly move, you can eventually open a passing lane or perhaps catch a player off-balance, allowing you to get a quality scoring chance.

      Clearly, some offensive players are better than others at creating vulnerabilities and exposing weaknesses, just as some defensive players are wizards at taking away time and space and forcing the offensive player into coughing up the puck.

      But in many cases, individual players are perhaps unfairly targeted for a breakdown of the entire unit on the ice. For every glaring turnover that immediately leads to a goal, there are 20 or 30 goals that are the result of a series of small mistakes or missed assignments or failures by the defensive team to convert an opportunity to relieve the pressure. All of those events ultimately contribute to the goal, but we all too frequently point to the player at the end of the chain as the goat.

    • derfab says:

      They and we should probably all take a course in life skills at one of our wonderful post-secondary self-help centers.

  27. krob1000 says:

    sorry I posted this below…but in responding to someone else I found it interesting for those who insist Eller has never been a point producer….
    Eller in the AHL at age 20 had 57 points ….DD at 20 played his last year of Junior, then played in the ECHL at 21 and at age 22 when he played his first full season in the AHL he scored 58 points…at age 20 in the AHL Plesks scored 46 points.
    Check out DD and Pleks stats on the same site…look at their age…and realize that Eller was palying with Men in the Swedish Elite league while DD was scoring all those points playing in the Q.

    • shiram says:

      Eller has got 20 ES points, Pleks has got 25 and DD 34.
      DD clearly has had not only the best winger, but the only trio to have any kind of consistency, both Plekanec and Eller saw a revolving door of wingers.

      Eller is doing good on his second full NHL season, at only 22. He brings a decent frame, and is not afraid to battle it out. He’s a big center we’ve been waiting for, we just have to wait a little more.

  28. habbernack says:

    If there’s a bidding war for Price I say take 5 first rounders and use those picks to restock the team. If the habs did that with both P.K. and Price we’d have 15 first round picks for the next 5 years

    ability is what you’re capable of doing.
    attitude determines how you do it

  29. blu_blanc_rouge says:

    I know a lot of people on this site defend Carey Price no matter what. Often saying Price can’t score goals for the team. Last night was an example of him being the main reason for the loss.

    In my opinion, he’s been as bad as Pleki, Cami, Bourque to name a few…this needs to be recognized

    • Mondou6 says:

      I agree.

      For some reason, Cole has no problem paying attention and busting his butt for 60 minutes every game. Could you say the same about Price last night? Or in many games lately?

    • gK_HabsFan says:

      I guess it is Bash Price Day at HIO… Look at this:
      The following are the worst teams in the NHL and their respectives Goals against average per game:

      30. Columbus – 3.20
      29. Edmonton – 2.94
      28. Montreal – 2.70
      27. Carolina – 2.94
      26. New York Islanders – 2.91
      25. Minnesota – 2.67
      24. Toronto – 3.08
      23. Buffalo – 2.76
      22. Tampa Bay – 3.38
      21. Anaheim – 2.72
      20. Washington – 2.80

      Of all the teams listed Montreal ranks #2 in GAA. Minnesota is rnaked 1st, however, they went on that riduclous run in the beginning of the season. In the entire NHL, the team ranks 16th in GAA.

      Price is not the problem! The defense playing in front of him is just not good. I love Gorges, and feel he is captain material, but he is not a top 2 guy. He is best suited in the 3-4 role. We have 2 rookies playing on D this year. Although Emelin is progressing, he is still often caught out of position, and Diaz is very soft. Weber has not progressed, and is a depth guy. Campoli is also a depth guy best suited in the 6-7 role. And finally, Kaberle is a PP specialist (even though he doesn’t do that well), who cannot play in his own zone if his life depended on it.

      Let’s face it guys, this D is horrible, and to blame Price for this season is inexusable. We only have 3 guys that are actual NHL calibre defensemen (PK, Gorges and Emelin), and the rest are just spare parts.

      • Cal says:

        Why does everyone say that any criticism of Price is bashing? Ridiculous hyperbole.
        Price had a bad game last night and should have had a rest for the 3rd period. If that’s bashing, your reading comprehension is nonexistent.

        • gK_HabsFan says:

          It’s frustrating to come on here after a loss and always hear about Price not playing well.

          I admit, this isn’t a good year for Price. But, the D playing in front of him has played a huge role in that

      • Mondou6 says:

        Pointing out that Price fell asleep and let in 2 terrible goals in a 1 goal loss last night doesn’t really qualify as “bashing”.

        I think objective observers would say that both goalies were terrible last night.

        Like I said, if you think Price played well last night, that’s fine, then we just disagree. No one is “bashing” anyone.

      • Mondou6 says:

        I think there’s a difference between saying I want to trade Price, and saying that he’s had a crappy year this year.

        You can easily find excuses for any player, Plekanec, Weber, Price, etc. I prefer to go by what I see. If a player is playing crappy, I think it’s ok to point that out.

        If you think Price has played well this year, that’s fine, I guess we just agree to disagree.

  30. habbernack says:

    Price should take a lesson from Marty Brodeur and just pass the puck along the boards to one of his defencemen

    ability is what you’re capable of doing.
    attitude determines how you do it

  31. Mondou6 says:

    Looked to me like the defense hung Price out to dry on the first 2 goals, so we’re immediately down 2-0.

    Then, Price got pissed off, sulked, gave up on the game, and let in 2 gift goals.

    Then, surprise, the Flames goalie also sucked, letting in 2 gift goals.

    Even though the season is over, and I’m happy with tanking all the way, I can’t remember the last time that Price played a solid 60 minutes. Every single game, there’s some issue.

    He’s having a crap season, no matter how you slice it.

    I’d prefer that we re-sign him, but he shouldn’t get a pass for his play this year.

    • Mr_MacDougall says:

      When was the last time you performed at your highest level for a whole day at work?

      He hasn’t played that bad, of his 26 losses the Habs scored 1 goal or less in 17 of them!

      • Mondou6 says:

        I know, there are always excuses. I’m sure there are some to explain his lousy GAA and SV% too.

        A lot of our players have had a crappy year this year. Price is one of them. He’s playing like a mediocre, run of the mill, journeyman NHL goalie.

        Let’s hope we don’t give him a Vezina winner contract, and end up with this 2011-2012 version every year from now on.

        I’m hoping for the best, but after last night’s debacle, it’s getting harder to put a happy face on his play.

        • Mr_MacDougall says:

          Journeyman? run of the mill.. list me the 15-20 goalies you would comfortably trade Price for? I think he is at the lower end of the top 10.

          Aside from Rinne, Kiprusof, Lundqvist, Thomas, Fleury,…
          Price is 8th in Shutouts, 15th in save percentage, 13th in GAA

  32. boing007 says:

    Warning: Rated PG
    No sarcasm intended.
    Is there the slightest possibility that Carey Price might need corrective eyeglasses? I became a mini pool shark once I started wearing mine.

    Richard R

  33. Mr_MacDougall says:

    Ever wonder what the Habs could have got for Cammy had they waited until the Trade deadline? Bourque SUCKS

  34. joeybarrie says:

    I’ll never understand this, sit a player to reduce injury risk. Makes no sense to me. Hockey players play. Let Price play. More experience is great. Let Markov get game fit again. Lets see how he looks and get him back into peak shape.
    Another small point. Don’t really understand the comments on Gainey’s re-tooling. Yes, it did NOT work. We were plagued with injuries and we did not win a Cup. But we did go to the Conf Finals. We did take the current Stanley Cup Champions and came within a goal of beating them. No other team did as well against them. We did all this and didn’t really sell out our future. Now I know we will all look back at the guys we let go and complain we should have gotten more, or we should’ve kept them. Well, we didn’t do all that badly. We have a lot of good young talent, and more coming up. Plus some of those guys, honestly, or not only more trouble than their worth… But in Montreal would not have had the same success, production, and/or results.
    McDonagh. Honestly the only one I miss really.
    I think we have a good chance to be a great team next year. We just need to make a few key moves. And to be honest, that’s the hardest part.

  35. LA Loyalist says:

    Time for a new song for the Habs: “It’s Over” – Roy Orbison

    🙂 open to other suggestions.

  36. Sal from the Hammer says:

    Like to see Markov play the rest of the season. If he holds up, great! If not, then mgt can get on with looking for a replacement. Nobody wants to wait out the summer wondering if he will be OK. Also, want to see if he stil has any jam left.


  37. Timo says:

    I have a brilliant idea – let’s hire Ron Wilson. I mean the organization is a joke already so let’s go all out.

  38. adamkennelly says:

    The great overall of 2009 – lets see who is left…Gomez – gone, Cammy – gone, Spacek – gone, Gill – gone, Gio – Captain but should not be…that about says it…can we get a mulligan?

  39. Mr_MacDougall says:

    I hate to be like Don Cherry, but I was laughed at when I predicted a 30 goal season for Patch when he scored his 20th. 28 goals now, Go Patch!

  40. 123456 says:

    Actually some goods posts considering last night was a lose.

    Something to think about: Heading into the season I was hopeful the Habs would have 3 lines that coud score and a very solid defense as well as a very good goalie. What has transpired this year?

    Habs are 20th in scording and 21st in goals against with a goal differential of -15. Those three figures alone, one would think, would preclude a team from bring the third worst. I think it’s pretty safe to say the goal differentiual stems form winning a few games by a large margin while not really being blow out in their loses.

    I’m left wondering, if just a couple more players had average years in terms of point production, where would that land the habs – Easily another 20 goals should have been had between Pleks and AK46 and Cammy/Bourque. That would add at least 7/8 wins and 12-15 points. Without being too onesided we have to realize production from the Patch/DD/Cole line has exceeded expectations so if I am going to add 20 goals one would have to also subtract some of the over-performance of the top line. In any event I do think an extra 10 points could easily have been had.

    On defense, lets just say Emilin/Weber/Diaz show some promise but still play like rookies at time. I am confident Markov would have prevented the Kabarle and Campoli expiriment. To make it short, easily 10 less goals against if the defense was anywhere close to what was expected.

    Now, all fans go through this exercise to convince themselves their team is better than it really is. . . but I am thinking the Habs are the best ever third worst in the league BETWITL.

    So I’ll leave you Seinfeld fans with something to say for the upcoming losses… instead of “serenity now” we can say “BETWITL”. . . . . and somehow if the habs get surpassed by Columbus. . “BEWITL”

  41. HabinBurlington says:

    And Down Goes Brown provides a trip down memory lane with highlights from Ron Wilson’s life.


  42. Storm Man says:

    Well…….. That is all I have to say about this season. the bash Price fans are nothing more than simpletons on here, time for you to find a life. As for the game last night it was fun and you got to love the BIG 3 Montreal have on the backend… Weber, Kaberle and Campoli my word….

    • LA Loyalist says:

      Calling out Price for not being able to stop shoot outs and hold leads is not bashing. There is something wrong with Price, for all his skill. It’s a software issue, he is not competitive. A shoot out is paradise for a goalie, they love the challenge and the pressure. Price just chokes – there is a major wet ware issue – look at the numbers dude, or did they not cover basic statistics in CEGEP?

      It’s a reality check, what part of 28th in the league don’t you understand?

  43. Strummer says:

    Kaberle with 21:33 TOI was the only D on the plus side of the +/- ledger and chipped in a nice assist on the PP for his 21st point in 38 games as a Hab.

    He can be effective (as can almost anyone) when he is not paired with Campoli

    “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

    • Storm Man says:

      Cough!!!!!!! what are you on?

      • Strummer says:

        Not the Kaberle- bashing-kool- aid.
        Which of the D out-performed him last night?

        “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

        • 123456 says:

          it’s a good point – jult liek MAB…. when used appropriately Krap-O-le turns into Kabarle. I bash him as well. . . but the real issue is exposing him when you really only have 2 good Dmen and 1 up and coming Dman.

        • Storm Man says:

          The ice girls cleaning up the ice when tv time outs happen… If you think Kaberle had a good game I’m not sure what you are on.

    • Lafrich says:

      Could not agree more (…he says, hoping that other general managers read this thread and make a play for Kaberle in the off-season). Yes Indeed! He is a VERY USEFUL DEFENCEMAN!!!

  44. HabinBurlington says:

    Saw this article in the National Post and had to laugh, given how much Burke and the Leafs have helped build that roster.


    • Strummer says:

      Have you seen the bashing Burke has been taking in the Toronto media since yesterday when he was on an interview on CFRB 1010.
      He was a no-show on Bob McCowan after McCowan quipped he had lost his mind giving Grabovski that extension.

      “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Yah it’s a thing of beauty, he hung up on the Moore fellow from CFRB. The media here is finally questioning the guy, seems like the old school yard fight, somebody finally punched the bully (Cherry attacking Burke) and now it has exposed that Burke isn’t as tough as everyone thought.

        Given how awful our season is going, this is what it has come down to for me, watching the Leafs implode from Top to Bottom, kind of like a team I cheer for sadly.

        • Strummer says:

          You have to admit the drama is better with Burke as opposed to PG.
          “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

    • RetroMikey says:

      You and others are worried what the Laffs are doing?
      You know what? They have the last laugh not you!
      They were supposed to finish at the bottom of the standings and we, in turn are the bottom feeder dwellers.
      Is it not embarrassing being a Habs’ fan knowing that the Leafs will finish ahead of us in the standings?

      “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

      • Cal says:

        The biggest laugh this season has been watching the laffs tumble from 1st in the conference to where they are now. I really like how all the T.O. media has gone from “let’s plan the parade” to complete panic mode in 3 1/2 months.

        Habs are having one bad season and all the naysayers like you pop out and give us the “I told you so” crap. How many bad years in a row do the laffs have to have before you acknowledge they stink?

      • Strummer says:

        If you were a Hab fan in the GTA you would understand.

        “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

  45. HabinBurlington says:

    So who sees live game action first Markov or Crosby?

  46. Mustang says:

    I think that many of us are more or less saying the same thing. This once proud organization has become a joke. Players that don’t fit the mold are shipped to other teams where they excel. A couple of years ago the management decided that the Habs would be a team of small, highly skilled players. The team became small but unfortunately at least some of the small players were past their “best before date” while having long term contracts.
    Recently the same management has decided that the team was too small so trades were made to get bigger. However this has not seemed to stem the downward trend. In fact it seems that nothing was learned from the Gomez fiasco (older player, declining skills, big fat long term contract) as the GM traded for Kaberle. Now we have a power play quarterback that is extremely weak 5 on 5 and who has not really helped the PP all that much.
    How much longer will this go on? From an owner’s point of view things are quite good as long as he doesn’t look at the standings. All 21,273 tickets will be sold for every remaining game and the beer is going for $10 a shot.
    Changes have to be made starting at the top. A new GM will have to be brought in that has a vision of what has to be done to get this team headed in the right direction. Drafting will have to be based on what the team requires as part of this new direction, not on “we took the best player that was available”. So many of these best available players have simply not fit in, but of course it is very difficult to figure out exactly what was expected of them. One last thing, please do not trade for any more older players that have long term contracts.

  47. VintageFan says:

    Does anyone else perceive that Jeff Molson’s Habs are morphing into the 2012 version of Harold Ballard’s Leaves? A once-great organization does things in ever more bizarre fashion? Management that inspires no confidence. An apparent belief that as long as the Company is making money for ownership, then everything is OK? That no matter how bad the team gets, if there are a couple of guys the fans can relate to fans will keep buying tickets, jerseys and beer? Are we in for twenty years of this?

    • HabFanSince72 says:


      The Habs spent the max on players this year, and they don’t stint on other expenses either. Nothing to do with Ballard’s Leafs.

      I think it’s clear Molson wants a winning team. If he was in it for the money he would not have bought the team at an inflated price in the first place.

      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • RGM says:

      Funny how one bad season can be morphed into an ongoing saga of futility that lasted for many, many years.

      No hysteria at all here.

      GO HABS GO! 2011-12 is probably not our year!
      “Scott Gomez is an elite NHL player” – VancouverHab

      Chat with me on Twitter @TheRealRGM81

    • Storm Man says:

      At this point that is where Geoff is taking this team….

  48. arcosenate says:

    Set course for the Yakupov System Chewie.

    That game show cased why Calgary should blow ‘er up too, if price had played half as well as he can they might have actually won that game. Having said that I am glad they lost, because they are lost. How do you expect a lame duck coach to have this team in the state it was already in improve in any way?

    He can’t, the players aren’t listening, they know the seasons over, and they know why.

    So let’s just suck it up for the last few weeks and hope that we get the highest pick possible. Although I admit, it’s really tough to watch…

  49. krob1000 says:

    Everyone is on Pleks for the first Iginla goal…..
    First of all Weber makes a ridiculous play outside the blueline…Pleks (probably he and Eller are only two frowards who would) reads the play well in advance and covers for Weber’s ill advised gamble. Iginla has the puck and Pleks forces him to the wall buying some time…Pleks does not contain him but keeps him to the outside buying more time….he loses ground off the wall and is essentially out of the play from the top of the circle out just trying to buy time for help to come over. Emelin should have moved over to the right post at least and Weber should have hustled back to take away the Flame in the middle…..Price did not even contest the drive move to the middle as I am sure he was caught off guard by the whole plays defvelopment…it appeared to be a classis case of everyone expecting someone else to help and noone actually doing anything …the odd thing is I keep hearing that it was Pleks fault when he is the only one who actually moved on the play…forced Iginla once to the wall…lost the battle but still pursued hard giving ample time for Emelin to move over and Weber to get back in the play had he hustled….in a perfect world Pleks contains Iginla on the wall there but every now and then we have to give a guy like Iginla some credit and guys need to expect that possibility…the dmen need to respect that possibiility. That goal is on Emelin and Weber mroe than anything and Pleks definitely supported but there is a reason he is a forward….he is not supposed to be the one stopping proven power forwards from cutting in like that or he would be a dman….he bought plenty of time, supported where he should have and pursued hard…..Emelin and Weber both had terrible nights and it would have been nice had Pleks made the play on the wall…but again..it was a luxury that he was even there , then forced him to the wall…then pursued him hard enought that someone should have slid across…it was mass confusion…but the goal is far from being on Pleks as some have indicated….he pursued but he was already beat…he did what he could….the other two guys did not “do what they could”….they did nothing.

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      Perhaps Emelin is beginning to tire from the longer season?

      • krob1000 says:

        I hope he didn’t read all of the press about him and not fighting because he hasn’t been his hardhitting agitating self since the issue came to the forefront.

    • cthab says:

      Totallly agree, it’s been like this for years. We’ve been blessed with skilled players that have always been outsized. We’ve lacked having any sizeable defensemen. This team has always been on the brink of making a difference, however, management doesn’t know how to mix and match brains/skills with brawns. Management’s trade has always left guys out to get beat. How many of us similar body size on this site would like to go out game afte game and get beat up?.

    • boing007 says:

      Emelin should have crunched Iginla.

      Richard R

  50. habs-fan-84 says:

    People need to step back from the ledge. The team isn’t playing the way they would if they were heading into the post season. It’s psychological at this point, and no point whining about the same things. The bottom line is that we have a very good group of young guys that we can build on. I’ve said many times before and frankly I’ll say it again, I haven’t felt this positive about the future in a LONG time.

  51. smiler2729 says:

    What is Lars Eller?

    Do the Habs have a role and a direction for this guy??

    Is he a top 6 playmaker, is he a defensice shutdown guy?

    Does his style(s) even fit in with the Habs? Cuz the Blues have a plan and they had an idea of where he fit in their system and drafted him 15th overall or whatever. He’d probably be an important cog in their machine right now if he were still there.

    In Montreal, we, the fans, are still wondering what the h-e-double hockey sticks he’s supposed to be? And I can bet with this Goat fed dysfunction, Eller probably feels the same way.

    Just sayin’ is all…

    Where will he be most valuable?

    Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are pukes.

    • Malreg says:

      I think he’s developing into an all-around player, ala Plekanec.

    • krob1000 says:

      He is IMO the best center prospect the team has had since Koivu. IF he were given an offensive role I have no doubt he would be right there with Dd this year …. his hockey IQ is almost where DD’s is but his physical tools are far beyond DD. Dd is a genius and I drastically underestimated him a couple of years back but many are currently guilty off the same IMO with Eller. He may have the slickest hands on the team, he has wheels that rival Cole and Patches, his hands are better than both and his shot needs some work. Defensively he is relentless and reminds me of Pleks and I think for now the team wants him to grow into a bigger version of Pleks with a Koivu heart which makes me pretty content actually. I think that once they sign him to a cheaper 2 or 3 year deal (likely 2) that they will then grant him better icetime and linemates and you will see a lot more production…until then he will just continue to plug away and work on the little things which is just fine by me. I think his future role depends a lot on what happens with Pleks and Dd….and whether or not we try to make a move at center…I like thought of getting a faceoff/shtudown 4th center guy to relieve some of the defensive bruden from both Pleks and Eller.

      • Cal says:

        Sorry, krob, but Eller’s production tells me he’s going to be a good 3rd line center.
        If he scored and gained assists like crazy when he was younger against weaker competition, I ‘d agree with you. He’s never shown that, however.
        see his stats: http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=105385

        • krob1000 says:

          Eller in the AHL at age 20 had 57 points ….DD at 20 played his last year of Junior, then played in the IHL at 21 and at age 22 when he palyed his first full season in the AHL he scored 58 points…at age 20 in the AHL Plesks scored 46 points.
          Cehck out DD and Pleks stats on the same site…look at their age…and realize that Eller was palying with Men in the Swedish Elite elague while DD was scoring all those points playing in teh Q.

          • Cal says:

            I do not see him as even close to a point per game guy. Granted, he doesn’t have a Lafleur or Shutt on his wings. Great players show it right away. One 4 goal night, which is a glaring anomaly, does not make him that much of a scorer. He has bettered his numbers since last season, though not dramatically enough for me to think he’ll ever be a #1.

    • eric says:

      He would probably like to know also. Center, wing, 3 rd line or 4 th line, new linemates every game. What’s going on??

    • DearyLeary says:

      I tell you what. If the Canadiens end up drafting a top 5 centreman this year they’re looking pretty nice as far as depth goes.

      The question becomes whether Montreal will want to move forward with Desharnais, or Plekanec. I would choose Pleks, myself.

      Grigorenko being a best case scenario our depth chart in a couple of years would look like:

      1) Grigorenko
      2) Pleks/Desharnais
      3) Eller
      4) find a faceoff guy with some sandpaper to kill penalties.

      Eller has been drawing a checking role, and has put up pretty respectable points total for a second season. He’s looking like a 15-20 goal scorer type of player, with a ceiling that could exceed that. He’s one of 4 Canadiens that is even or better in +/- numbers (not counting Louis Leblanc or Frederic St. Denis due to the amount of games they’ve played).

      Really, the Canadiens have been missing an offensive horse the last few decades. And with some solid prospects looking to bolster our blue line in the next two years (Beaulieu and Tinordi specifically, but Dietz and Ellis are intriguing as well) we’re going to look pretty deep at defense (assuming Markov is healthy the next two years, and we already have Gorges, PK, and Emelin, we can find depth players through free agency).

      Gomez being bought out with the assumed CBA amnesty period opens up a tonne of cap-space that allows us to go out and bolster a good youth core with some veteran forwards.

      So we’ll see, I think there’s a bright outlook, but I’m an optimist. The only way to get an offensive horse is to draft them these days (unless you’re stupid like Columbus and decide to trade your horse away). I wouldn’t expect us to miss the playoffs for more than this season and the next (although making the playoffs next season is entirely possible, Price is a great equalizer, we just have to score him some goals).

    • ont fan says:

      St loius had a terrible PP and Halak was at 3.35 goals against and .856 save % before Hitchcock showed up. They were struggling to make the playoffs. Just get a good coach in here. Not some AHL coach. Someone with pedigree.

  52. Castor says:

    Wow. My iPhone messed up my last post a lot

  53. Castor says:

    I’m sorry I just got here and people ate bashing Price? Can you imagine the goals against this team would have this season without him? Dear me…
    Price should be signed long term. PK as well. Then bury Gomez and Kaberle in the minors or buy them out. Let the kids battle for a Jon in training camp but go out and get another big forward from somewhere. This team seems a lot worse than it is.

    • New says:

      It is the media’s fault really. They keep touting “goalies” as the winners or losers of games. Coaches usually pull goalies losing you games (a la Halak in the playoffs). Price is safe in Montreal as long as he wants to be there.

    • Vladdy Mondavi says:

      I know you iPhone autocorrected your post, but this is too good to pass up:
      Do the kids have to go to Jon school to learn how to battle for one?

      Opinions are like kittens, I’m giving them away.

  54. chinahab says:

    Great job Mr. Boone holding down the fort. I agree the Habs could turn it around relatively quickly. Key is to recognize that a rebuild is necessary.

    • Vladdy Mondavi says:

      I can agree with that.
      Rebuild starts by hiring a competent GM and an inspired coach. The rest of the pieces will fall into place.

      Look at how the Senators have improved this year just based on a coaching change. Don’t know if this success will be sustained, but what a difference a coach makes.

      Opinions are like kittens, I’m giving them away.

    • RGM says:

      There’s no reason that we can’t pull an 06-07/07-08 Philadelphia Flyers….granted, we don’t have a Peter Forsberg to deal away but a few astute moves at the organizational and personnel levels and we can get right back in it. What are those moves? Beats me. I know a few I’d like to see.

      GO HABS GO! 2011-12 is probably not our year!
      “Scott Gomez is an elite NHL player” – VancouverHab

      Chat with me on Twitter @TheRealRGM81

  55. jimmy shaker says:

    Since the season is over……why is Price playing the majority of the games still. Let Budaj play 15 of the remaining 18, shut price and marky down…..why risk injuries?


    • Vladdy Mondavi says:

      $$$ – Price wants to play to enhance his value. Don’t need to get him any angrier than he already is.

      Agree with you Budaj should play a little to earn his pay.

      Opinions are like kittens, I’m giving them away.

    • RGM says:

      If Markov is shut down without an opportunity to appraise his recovery and his game, we could find ourselves in the same problem as we did this year: a damaged goods $6M blueliner on the sidelines forcing the team to take spare parts off the market and hope for the best.

      GO HABS GO! 2011-12 is probably not our year!
      “Scott Gomez is an elite NHL player” – VancouverHab

      Chat with me on Twitter @TheRealRGM81

    • boing007 says:

      There are only 15 games left and this team could easily lose all fifteen of them.

      Richard R

  56. ed lopaz says:

    that was not a 6 million dollar performance from Price last night.

    there are several “Cardinal Sins” in hockey, one of them is the goalie is NEVER permitted to throw in the towel. NEVER!!

    However, not everything should be blamed on Price. Not at all.

    Just before the 1st goal went in – a deflected shot that was not Price’s fault, my son and I were discussing Yannick Weber.

    I was supporting Weber and making claims that he could develop into a second Stephane Robidas – similar size, shoots right, offensive ability, etc…

    That 1st goal was all started because Weber made a terrible decision with the puck and handed it to the Flames in the neutral zone.

    The second goal, Weber (again!!) made a decision to confront a Flame just outside our blueline, probably knowing that plekanec was behind him and covering Iginla along the boards.

    Big mistake!!

    When posters here make claims that Plekanec is not the “big center” that we need, that play against Iginla is what they have in mind.

    For those of you who are casual fans, the center is the 3rd d-man in the defensive zone. The center needs to “cover” – along the boards, behind the net, in the corners, in front of the net.

    if the forwards on the other team are big and strong and determined like Iginla was last night – centers like Plekanec and Gomez and Desharnais are going to have a real tough time in their defensive zone coverage.

    3 years ago, there were several posters on this site who were ridiculed by the “expert” posters here.
    (Funny, almost all of those “expert” posters have now found a reason to stop posting here.)

    The position being ridiculed was that the Habs could not win without Hall of Fame goaltending.

    The “experts” were dead wrong, of course.

    2 years ago the Habs were carried by the “little” goalie who is doing everything right in ST Louis.

    last year the Habs finished 6th with 96 points because Carey Price played like one of the 5 best goalies in the league.

    This year Price (like the team in front of him) has been very, very inconsistent. Since Price is an extraordinary athlete, however, he has managed to put together average numbers on a bad team.

    How do other teams win with “average” goaltending??

    We don’t.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Agree with most everything you say Ed, however, how do other teams win with average goaltending? They probably have at least an average NHL defence grouping.

      Pk and Gorges give their all, but are getting worn out, Emelin is great for a rookie, but is being used as a Top 3 dman, when do we see that in the NHL? The other, well not even average.

      This isn’t even taking into context the deficiencies of the forwards from helping in our own zone.

      Don’t get me wrong, Price did not play well, period. But it is beyond ridiculous what he needs to do in order for this group to win an NHL game. I have to go now and pour over the UFA defenceman list again…..

    • aj says:

      Its very clear that the scapegoat who takes the fault last night’s game is Carey Price.

      What needs to happen is the coaching staff should have a word with him during this last set of games before season’s end.

      He may have to do some goaltending at the world championships for team Canada this year in order to evaluate himself before resigning with the Canadiens for next season.

      EDIT: I also would like to see Andrei Markov compete as well for team Russia so that he could get a feel of himself and get back in the game.

    • New says:

      The funny thing about “the two years ago” remark is that the Cup final included two teams that proved you could win without a goalie at all.

    • RGM says:

      Outside of the usual excellence of the DD line, did anybody on this Habs squad merit their salary? It’s not about 1 guy, it’s about all 19 dudes on the ice moving in the same direction. When you’re a last place team there’s plenty of blame to go around, so singling out one player seems to be the easy and cheap way out to make a point about a player that’s been gone for two years now.

      GO HABS GO! 2011-12 is probably not our year!
      “Scott Gomez is an elite NHL player” – VancouverHab

      Chat with me on Twitter @TheRealRGM81

  57. Marcusman says:

    So why isn’t Carbo considered a front runner for the soon to be open head coach or even GM job. He’s smart, knows hockey, past glorieux captain, french….your thoughts?

    • thewongster says:

      Because that’s been tried before.

    • The Cat says:

      Maybe a new GM might consider him.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      He has very little experience and has done nothing at all to get more. He’s been waiting for the phone to ring offering him an NHL job. That is not the way that it’s done.

    • Malreg says:

      Because he has almost no experience. Since being fired, he’s coached the U18 Canada team, and he coached his own QMJHL team for all of a few months.

      Somebody asked him if Kirk Muller had called him to be his assistant what would he have said, and he said he would decline because he’s waiting for a Head Coaching position.

      That attitude makes me want to stay away from him. The whole “sit around and wait for a call” thing, when he has a season and a half of head coaching experience doesn’t float with me.

    • New says:

      Carbo would be a great choice for Phoenix.

  58. Ian Cobb says:

    Not so bad! If we lose tomorrow night against Edmonton, we will then find ourselves in second, from the bottom of this 30 team league. Oh the pride of it all!!

    Will Molson hire quality to manage our AHL group of players, both in Hamilton and Montreal?

    We will have two 1st round picks, great chance to get 1st over all. 2 or three early 2nd round picks as well. I believe that our scouts will do a great job, but will we have the quality in a G.M. and coaches to develop them correctly.? Have we not learned anything over the last 100 years?

    Quality starts from the TOP down.

    YES! I meant to say, Picks for the next 2 years for low finishes.!

    • RetroMikey says:

      No surprise at my end Ian, we are a pathetic team. The cracks were shown seasons ago when BG blew ship on this team and wanted to experiment to the old “firewagon hockey” the team that played this system in the 70;s and it was a failure (thanks BG!) in this new NHL where big and unskilled is better for Bettman and the fans.
      Also, we had more talent on the farm years ago with players who were not skilled but had grit and let them go, the current Dawgs team is average at best.
      Yes, Ian, our club will have 3 or more seasons of misery and rebuilding all over again before we sip the Dom Perignon from the Cup again. Everybody better get used to it. We failed and are now paying the price.
      Let’s splash some blockbuster trades this summer for prospects and draft picks, that is the only solution we have.
      Tank I say! Tank!

      “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

    • JF says:

      How do you figure we have two first round picks, Ian? By my count, we have one and two seconds.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        I’m guessing Ian is talking about the next two years, assuming we struggle again next year.

      • Vladdy Mondavi says:

        I was wondering the same thing myself. Perhaps HiB’s assumption is correct.

        I think some elements of this team is too good to have concsecutive top 5 picks.
        Opinions are like kittens, I’m giving them away.

    • cowellj17 says:

      Sorry, but where is this second, 1st round pick coming from ???

  59. HabinBurlington says:

    So funny thing happened last night, I left the Habs Optimists Club room and peeked down the hallway at the Habs Tank Club. What a difference in mood, there was cheering, toasts going on and it seemed they were just having a whale of a good night.

    Turns out it was a Tankers dream in the results section of the NHL Schedule last night. So I guess there was a silver lining in the cloud that was the Habs Calgary game last night.

    I quietly shuffled back to the Optimist club and offered hugs and condolences to the 5 remaining members there, names need not be said….

  60. JF says:

    I watched the first two periods, thought we looked OK until Calgary scored, then were badly outplayed the rest of the first period but managed to emerge only one down. I was happy to see us tie it in the second, but when Calgary went up by two again, I figured that was it. Unlikely we’d come from two down twice in one game, and we’re probably the worst third-period team (the worst team, period) in the league. I went to bed. So the final score is actually a pleasant surprise; I was figuring 5-2 or 6-2 Calgary. But Price is clearly frustrated, and it’s obvious he’s playing too many games. There’s absolutely no point in that. Budaj should play at least a third of the games remaining, so we could get some idea of whether he’s a decent backup or not.

    As for the rest of the season, there’s little point in watching the games and even less in talking about them. We’re a one-line team with half a defence.

  61. The Cat says:

    It may be that Price will be great one day. And no I dont blame the guy but rather Gainey. Gainey made it difficult for Price right from day 1. I dont see it working out for Price in Montreal mainly because he never earned his job as number 1 goaltender and that sort of thing lingers in the back of the heads of players who play in front of you and keep hearing hes the MVP (its like hearing George W is a great president). Huet got sent off. When in competition with Halak he lost, so Halak got sent off and then any viable goalie down the pipeline got sent off too. This is what I mean by the habs have to rid itself of this grotesque favouritism.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

    • christophor says:

      I suppose by goalies in the pipeline you mean Desjardins? Maybe you also mean Ramo, Sanford, and McIntyre?

      No comment required.

      As for not earning his job, wrong. He did so last year with a world class performance while under more pressure than anyone else, by far. As many journalists have said, it’s a crime he wasn’t nominated for the Vezina and especially the Hart.

      And I’m sorry to see you’re pushing these conspiracy theories about teammates not liking him or subtly resenting him or whatever. From all accounts, he a very very well respected teammate and is also well respected around the league (in addition to being seen by most as the likely starter in Sochi). Your interpretation just shows how much you’re reading your own off-base perspective into those of others; “If I think he’s been pampered, everyone else must think so”.

      In Monreal, fans are either brilliant or can’t see past their noses.

      • The Cat says:

        Yeah he earned it alright, when the others got sent off. Im saying maybe the players would play better in front of him if the MVP/best goalie in the world had the occasional inspiring performance.

        [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

      • kentburns says:

        I’m a Price fan, but I don’t think he’s taken the step to superstar just yet… that being said we should lock him up to a long term deal. Consistent above average goaltending year after year is not easy to find and that’s what you get with price, with flashes of brilliance.

        He’s a sold goaltender, but at this point not a superstar… he didn’t get nominated for the Vezina last year because there were 5 or 6 goaltenders who put up better numbers. The fact he’s going to be on the team in Sochi also has a lot to do with the fact, as a country, the pickings are becoming pretty slim… of the 5 or 6 better goaltenders last year and the 15 or so better than him this year, most of the top ones are not Canadian. Unless someone steps up our top three have to be Fluery, Luongo and Price

  62. Cal says:

    Just one question. With Price having a crappy night, what was he doing in the net to start the 3rd period? I thought the 4th he allowed was brutal, but that 5th one? Horrid. Putrid. Terrible. Like I said, Price was having a bad night. RC is a peewee coach.

    • The Cat says:

      Le mot d’ordre seems to have him play the most games possible and to never yank him.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  63. Habitant in Surrey says:

    CNN: ‘Is Canada The World’s Next Super Power ?’; http://outfront.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/06/is-canada-the-worlds-next-superpower/?hpt=hp_mid

    …in lieu of Our Montreal Canadiens seeming current hopelessness, this is My chuckle for today 🙂

    …doormats one day …and, a Super Power, the next ? 🙂

    HIS’ Official Habs’ Fan Theme Song: Morrissey ‘There is a light that never goes out’ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjObvIQtsLk&feature=related

    …the Montreal Canadiens organization and Our Fans, as a whole need to feel this current cold frigid splash of reality, …this process will, hopefully, give Us a long needed sense of humility, not humiliation …and help to revive and renew Our tattered culture of high hockey ideals, and ultimate success in the near future
    …ride the wave, is all We can do as Fans: …Ownership must make the right choices, persevere, and act not talk

    Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY

    • The Cat says:

      Thanks for that! I dont know if Id want that, cause to be a super power, you got to be a bit evil.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

    • Haligonian-Hab says:

      I read that. Most entertaining are the comments by “Marita”. This person seems to have replied negatively to all who’ve commented in support of Canada. Just a Negative Nancy type whore.

  64. Gilbert Perreault says:

    Someone upstairs has a mixed up philosophy about hockey. Or is it the press or the fans? Do they keep wanting them to be 50’s style apple pie lovin’ baseball players. Give me players with skill and also imagination and, yes, artistic temperaments. Give me the Andrei Kostitsins and the Robeiros and give me the strength to overlook their youthful impetuousness.

    Take a look around the league tonight. The Kostitsins got 3 points. (Andrei 4 or 5 points in 3 or 4 games so far) Poulin on Boston got 2 points. Robeiro 3 points. Robidas 2 points. Grabovski a goal. Halak 1 GA on 19 shots. Higgins 2 points. Ryder 2 points. Starting to see a pattern? Not bad for a Tuesday night. And there were probably a few more. When they traded Sergei I thought, not again. Grabovski, I thought the same thing. The kid played like 5 games and had flashes of brilliance. And now Andrei, when he was clearly being misplayed. Over and over and over. No one learns anything from whatever they’re doing. I daresay Lafleur would have been traded in his first season for smoking between periods. And a rookie Rocket would have been traded to Phoenix for going to practice with a hangover.

    Those who want lunchbox carrying plumbers go watch the Bruins and the Flyers. I want artists. I want Flying Frenchmen and dazzling stick handling virtuosos and quick wrist shots. I would almost say now that if a player comes to Montreal with stick handling ability and great skating skills he might last a couple of years in this town. Whereas Darche will outlast them all, God bless him.

  65. durocher says:

    We all know the Habs won’t make the playoffs this season. Right now, I don’t see any reason to keep Geoffrion or LL with the big club, where they will be around this suck-fest and not play top 6 minutes. I’d rather see them play in the AHL and get top minutes and build confidence. Accordingly, I’d send them down to the AHL, and call up players whose development won’t be as affected.

    Second, waive Weber. Bring up veteran defensemen, Henry and St-Denis, who may not suck as bad. Henry has played in the NHL and is a huge character guy who will give the team his all. St-Denis acquitted himself well, I thought, when he played for us.

    Nokia-Schultz (double shift MaxPower and Cole)


    Yes, this team will lose games. But we’re losing games anyway. At least this way, we don’t impair the development of blue chip players, LL and Blake. And we strip Weber the honor of playing with the big club. He’s had his fun, now the jig is up.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Interesting debate about Louis Leblanc and Blake Geoffrion. Both played about 12 minutes tonight. I wonder if playing more in Hamilton would be beneficial. That team is really bad as well.

      How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?


    • Welks says:

      I don’t exactly agree but I get what your trying for. The season is over this would be a time to get some of the young guys experience without much pressure. Again they may not win much with the younger roster but that won’t hurt draft position.

      The guys that I would sit down are the ones who should not or won’t be back.

      Weber is not the one I would waive. People seem to expect him to be this superstar. He is a 23 year old skilled defense man. A bit on the smaller size but big enough to be effective once he learns to position himself better and gets a partner to handle some of the heavy lifting. He is still a raw talent, it took Rafalski until he was 28 to even make the NHL. Not saying that is what Weber will be but he has been paired with a promising rooking (Emelin) who is still learning himself and two terrible defense man in Campoli and Kaberle.

      I would also keep Darche. He is not expensive, he kills penalties and works his butt off. Not for 2nd line minutes but he can work an energy line and play 4th line and PK.
      Waive Campoli and send him down. Bring up Henry for the rest of the season and pair him with Weber, there is not much in the way of Defensive Dmen down in Hamilton, send down Diaz for more work as well when he gets healthy.
      If Markov is healthy enough to play sit Kaberle. Play 6 d and 4 lines and let the kids get some experience.

      Geoffrion- Pleks- Palushai
      Darche- White -Staubitz


  66. Un Canadien errant says:

    I’ve been meaning to do this for a while, so here goes. Let’s try to figure out what the Hamilton Bulldogs’ roster will look like next season. This is difficult without knowing what the Canadiens’ roster will be, it’s putting the cart before the horse, but what the heck, we have six months to kill before another meaningful season starts, so we should stay busy.

    ***Note: this is just a fan’s view, just noodling around, please offer any feedback or corrections you may have. Just trying to figure out where we’re headed in the next couple seasons. Reposted from this morning, looking for discussion.***

    To make room for an onslaught of prospects, we’ve eliminated a lot of players like Brian Willsie, Olivier Fortier, Danny Massé, Philippe Lefebvre and Joe Callahan who for the most part were not drafted, were offered contracts on a tryout basis and are not showing much promise.

    First, let’s think about the defence. The following players are expected to make the jump to the AHL next season: Mark Tinordi, Nathan Beaulieu, Morgan Ellis, Darren Dietz and Greg Pateryn. With this much influx, I think that Mac Bennet will be strongly encouraged to remain at Michigan for at least another season, seeing as he’s only a sophomore and can benefit from another season at the college level, and it will ease the introduction of so many youngsters in the system. Holdovers would be Brendon Nash, and Frédéric St-Denis. Let’s add Alex Henry for size, and Joe Stejskal for experience (he’s 23) and also because he’s only had one season in Hamilton, let’s give him a chance. On a hunch, let’s also put Raphaël Diaz on this list, he may start the season in the AHL.

    On offence, we’re adding Michaël Bournival, Brendan Gallagher and Patrick Holland from the junior ranks. On a hunch, from Northeastern University, let’s add Steve Quailer. After three seasons, and although he spent an entire season on the sidelines with a knee injury, and therefore could spend another two seasons there, he may no longer have anything to learn and be ready for the pros. Also on a hunch, let’s add Danny Kristo, although he has another year of eligibility at North Dakota.

    Holdovers would be Robert Slaney, Alain Berger, Andrew Conboy, Joonas Nattinen, Gabriel Dumont, Ian Schultz, and Alexander Avtsin. Based on the current roster, and on a coin flip, let’s act as if Michael Blunden and Louis Leblanc will be on the Canadiens’ roster at the start of the season, and Andreas Engqvist, Aaron Palushaj and Blake Geoffrion will at least start with the Bulldogs.

    Strictly based on the info we have on our prospects based in Europe none are ready to make the jump, so we won’t add any to our putative roster, although we’d love it if Daniel Pribyl came out to play Junior hockey here. Then again, maybe he’s better off at home playing against men, what do we know…

    In goal, there isn’t anyone in the system, so we’ll have status quo unless we add free agents. Any draft pick in June will not make it to the Bulldogs next season.
    So the roster looks like this:



    Robert May
    Nathan Lawson

    1) That’s still a lot of bodies. We have to remember that the Bulldogs will be hit by injuries, and that will cull the herd. More injuries in Montréal will occasion some callups.
    2) With a lot of prospects in general and on defence in particular, we may flip two or three of them for one or two serviceable NHL’ers, just to get through next year.
    3) The line combos don’t reflect any preferences or ideal matches, at best we have centres in the right position. The farm team is heavy on the right wing but light on the left.
    4) Defence pairing just match left and right-handed defencemen, but again they do not show preferable matches.
    5) The Canadiens have a need for one or two steady defensive defencemen with size. While we may address this need through trades or free agency, Mark Mitera and Greg Pateryn both fit that bill and may be given a good shot at making the ‘grand club’, if the team decides next year is a development year.
    6) While Brendan Gallagher would benefit from a year of playing big minutes in the AHL, he may also get to stay with the big club if he has an even better training camp next summer. We got the feeling that if he had buried two or three opportunities, he would have stuck last season, so he’s on the radar, and the Canadiens are devoid of forward talent, of forwards who can score, so he might get those big minutes in the NHL anyway.
    7) This would be a very young team, even for the AHL I think, so some of those players we’ve cut right off the bat may be important in terms of team chemistry and composition. Brian Willsie was brought in specifically to fill the veteran role, so he and others may be retained. The Canadiens could deal with this even bigger logjam by not graduating Danny Kristo and Steve Quailer early, or sending some younger prospects to Wheeling in the East Coast League. There’s always the option of getting some prospects to play an extra year in junior, but from what we’ve heard that’s not a great option and usually an indication that the player is not ready for the next step.
    8 ) Overall, this is a much more talented team than the current Bulldogs team, but they may struggle again next year with their lack of experience. Two seasons from now we’d be more justified in expecting good results, especially if a quality goaltender were added.

    How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?


    • Habitant in Surrey says:

      …always an entertaining read uCe

      HIS’ Official Habs’ Fan Theme Song: Morrissey ‘There is a light that never goes out’ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjObvIQtsLk&feature=related

      …the Montreal Canadiens organization and Our Fans, as a whole need to feel this current cold frigid splash of reality, …this process will, hopefully, give Us a long needed sense of humility, not humiliation …and help to revive and renew Our tattered culture of high hockey ideals, and ultimate success in the near future
      …ride the wave, is all We can do as Fans: …Ownership must make the right choices, persevere, and act not talk

      Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY

    • BeeGee says:

      A few comments:
      – Not sure Fortier is done quite yet.
      – Dietz will most likely stay in junior since he was drafted just last year and isn’t dominating à la Beaulieu.
      – Although I would like to see it, I’d think it unlikely that Diaz be sent down. There are lots of D men so I think we would try and keep St-Denis but not Henry.
      – If I’m not mistaken, the organization wanted Kristo to go pro last year, so I’d expect to see him make the jump.

      Geoffrion – Engqvist – Palushaj (or Leblanc)
      Holland – Nättinen – Gallagner
      Avtsin – Bournival – Kristo
      Conboy – Dumont – Shultz
      > Qualier, Fortier, Berger, Slaney (Maybe Desimone, Haddad, Lampe)

      St. Denis – Nash
      Beaulieu – Pateryn
      Tinordi – Ellis
      > Mitera, Stejskal…


      This is a very young lineup indeed, but more talented than perhaps ever I’ve seen in Hamilton.
      I would let the kids play personally… Even if I do understand the value of veterans. Scott Gomez and Tomas Kaberle maybe?

      It’s not that bad… still a few veterans and a lot of returning players: St-Denis, Nash, Mitera, Engqvist, Conboy, Shultz, Stejskal, Dumont, Fortier, Avstin,Nattinen, Berger… I think this team would win it’s share of games.

    • habfan01 says:

      You forgot Gomez

  67. Un Canadien errant says:

    While the Canadiens aren’t in the playoff hunt, I recently made a vow to myself and others that I would enjoy the rest of the season for what it was: an opportunity to watch hockey, without the rollercoaster of emotions that comes with living and dying with the team’s Stanley Cup prospects. I had good success at the end of this NFL season as the Chargers were all but eliminated with 6 games to go. I accepted it, moved on, and was able to appreciate the artistry of its offence and see some promise out of a few younger players on the defensive side. I didn’t care if they won or lost, I just enjoyed the game. I figured the rest of the Canadiens’ season could be the same.

    In fact, it may be very difficult to stomach the final games of this season. Somehow, this roster has become denuded of talent and promise, outside a few outliers. They used to be the little team that could, that played bigger than it was, and eliminated the Penguins and Caps. It could be frustrating to see them getting bullied, but how rewarding was it to see them dancing around the Zdeno Charas and the Dion Phaneufs of the league, guys who look good next to a measuring tape but can’t keep pace with a Brian Gionta or Tomas Plekanec.

    Now they’re the bigger team that can’t and won’t until at least next training camp. The roster has more size, which so many have been pining for, but it has come at the detriment of talent, an offensive identity and a belief in itself, that it could overcome goons and blind, corrupt referees and find a way. The entire team seems to be lost, dispirited, and can’t find a reason to persevere in the face of adversity. Merriam Webster has updated the entry on the term ‘lame duck’ by adding a picture of Randy Cunneyworth.

    Carey Price made some boneheaded plays tonight, and he can’t be faulted for falling victim to the malaise that grips this team, although some fans are now blaming him for the team’s woes, which is ludicrous. Imagine if a genie appeared and offered three wishes to us, in the form of former Canadiens at the height of their powers, would we wish for Ken Dryden, or would we feel that Carey Price is a strength on the team, and would we ask for Guy Lafleur, Jean Béliveau and Larry Robinson? Because forward and defence are the big huge giant jagged holes on the team that need improvement?

    On Jarome Iginla’s first goal, both Tomas Plekanec and Alexei Emelin had a chance to put a shoulder on him and prevent him from waltzing to the front of the net. Both didn’t, they tried to poke check the puck. This kind of play is indicative of players who have given up, are not thinking clearly and are not fully focused on personal sacrifice for a team win. Bodychecking him should have been an instinctive reaction, not the bewildered, ineffectual attempt they displayed.

    To add to this thought, it looked like the kind of goal that comes after a team gives up a bad goal in a close game. Those players are still thinking about it and are down while the other team has the energy, and they storm the net while the defending team is still mentally in the past. In our case, the boys are thinking about this whole season, instead of the game in progress.

    About ten games back some of us were worried that a futile winning streak would endanger our draft status while bringing no tangible rewards. We can stop worrying about that now, and fervently hope that we win a few more games before the season is out, because if les Glorieux keep playing like this, it can destroy the franchise, for years to come, since established players will want out of town, young players will pick up bad habits and attitude, and other players will not want to come here by way of trades and free agency.

    How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?


  68. HabFanSince72 says:

    John Scott now of the Rangers has a long running feud with Sean Thornton. On Saturday in a fight filled game Scott challenged Thornton repeatedly, but the latter declined. His excuse: recent facial sutures.

    Yet there was Thornton last night fighting with Toronto’s Jay Rosehill.

    The Bruins. Even their bullies are cowards.

    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      That’s what I hate about fights in the NHL. Rarely are they about evenly matched spirited competitors battling for a win, as the recent gold-standard Jarome Iginla-Vincent Lecavalier fight was, and is constantly being used as an example of what could be lost by banning fighting.

      Fighting in the NHL is exemplified by Milan Lucic, who ran away from Georges Laraque, using the excuse that his coach ‘ordered’ him not to fight him. It’s Mr. Lucic getting his clock cleaned by Colton Orr and running away to hide behind a linesman, but then assaulting Ryan Miller who is about 8 inches shorter and 80 lbs lighter. Fighting is about picking your spots, taking on the smaller guy, it’s about strategic thuggery and intimidation.

      Somehow finding someone smaller and weaker than you and pounding on them is not tolerated in real life, but the NHL insists that it’s an integral part of the game and it would rend the fabric if we tried to take it out. It is lawlessness that is teaching millions of kids the wrong lessons about life at taxpayers’ expense.

      Your point about Sean Thornton just reinforces my view. Mike Milbury and Don Cherry do all but publicly fellate this guy, he’s lauded as the ‘perfect fourth liner’, but all he does is beat on smaller guys. If fighting were banned from hockey he would immediately out of a job. So what he is in fact is ‘the least bad hockey player that we can put on the ice about 10 minutes a game but can derive an advantage from since his borderline homicidal tendencies will prevent the more talented players on the other team from actually playing hockey’, not some mythical ideal fourth liner.

      How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?


  69. durocher says:

    Whose professional relationship with the Canadiens should, without doubt, be ended as soon as practicable:
    1. Pierre Gauthier
    2. Bob Gainey
    3. Scott Gomez
    4. Tomas Kaberle
    5. Yannick Weber
    6. Chris Campoli
    7. Randy Cunneyworth
    8. Randy Ladouceur
    9. Larry Carrière

    Who I would not mind seeing traded for assets this off-season
    1. Raphael Diaz
    2. Tomas Plekanec (provided the return is solid)

    Veterans whom I respect, but may need to move on
    1. Mathieu Darche
    2. Brian Gionta

    • boing007 says:

      All of the above.

      Richard R

      • shootdapuck says:


        The cerebral insight of PJ Stock:

        “Le problem est Markov n’a pas jouer un seul game cette annee”
        “Louis Leblanc est un kid locale”

    • Welks says:

      Whose professional relationship with the Canadiens should, without doubt, be ended as soon as practicable:
      1. Pierre Gauthier – yes
      2. Bob Gainey -yes
      3. Scott Gomez -YES
      4. Tomas Kaberle -yes
      5. Yannick Weber – no
      6. Chris Campoli -yes
      7. Randy Cunneyworth -sorry yes
      8. Randy Ladouceur -yes
      9. Larry Carrière -no

      Who I would not mind seeing traded for assets this off-season
      1. Raphael Diaz – yes
      2. Tomas Plekanec (provided the return is solid) – no

      Veterans whom I respect, but may need to move on
      1. Mathieu Darche – no
      2. Brian Gionta -yes ( too much money)

  70. HabFanSince72 says:

    Why is Price still starting every game?

    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • Duracell3 says:

      This. He barely signs before the season begins every year anyway, think of what it’ll be when he gets hurt before the season ends. To my understanding it also re-enforces his value to the team….forcing his pay for next year upward. At least try and get something out of your backup who is paid twice as much as most.

  71. The Dude says:

    Carey Price is a $4 million a year goalie …AND NO MORE!

  72. Timo says:

    Well, i enjoyed the game cause i didn’t care for the outcome. The beer was good, nachos were fairly decent too and this one ice girl in particular had killer legs… the kind that would kill you.

    Boone is right… from the 10th row behind the Habs bench this team looks bad in absolutely every aspect of the game.

    Interesting moment – in the first period right after yet another time flames almost scored White was giving it to Weber on the bench and if I could read his lips correctly he was not mincing his words. White was pissed at something Weber’s done (or most likely not done, like cover his man) and he let him know.

    One thing was good and almost sad to see – thousands of Habs jerseys, everywhere. People still believe and support this team – too bad the team doesn’t give back.

  73. dre1744 says:

    Wow i just got back from the game at the Dome…. The habs are even worse in person then they are on TV!!!!!! Bourque was just plain awefull out there all he really did was float around.Big joke around where i sat was hey Bourque and Cammy are playing just as good as each other out there. Well at least Cammy was injured and never played.

    I really liked the way Patches played tonight he was all over the place only hab that really played well.
    Plekanec should of bodied Iginla on his first goal instead of the pussy stick check he tried to get him with. You ain’t stopping Jerome by stick checking him. ANd the same thing on jeromes second goal the habs D just let him waltz around them especially Georges who should have stopped Iggy.

    I liked Ryan white out there the kid is a spark plug, too bad he has hands of stone.

    I also think Price should of stopped 3 of the 5 that went in tonight.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      I think René Bourque comes as advertised: a big winger who can play physical and can pot 25 goals but can be lethargic and frustrating to watch at times. If we put him on a third line next season and he plays some special teams and gives us that, we’re happy. The trade was good, we cleared cap space and received a legit NHL’er and prospects in return. As long as we remember that we don’t need to be frustrated with him as we were with Andrei Kostitsyn.

      How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?


  74. MisterAtkin says:

    I stopped watching the game after 5 minutes. Our defense sucks. If they don’t get rid of Gauthier (at the very least), I’ll have a very hard time supporting this team. But on the upside, we’ll probably get a high draft pick. Either that, or they’ll drive more of the fan base to getting high to forget…

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