About last night …

Cammalleri
Is there any point talking about the game?
Nah.
As is often the case, your Montreal Canadiens played well against Boston.
And as has been the case too often this season, they lost.

The Canadiens are in 12th place in the Eastern Conference.

They are seven points out of a playoff spot, with Ottawa and the Rangers coming to the Bell Centre for a rare weekend back-to-back.

And even before the puck drops, some fans will be disappointed by the Saturday game … because they were so looking forward to booing Mike Cammalleri.

Maybe next season, when the Calgary Flames visit Montreal.

So what do we make of this trade that seems to have been concluded between the second and third periods of the loss in Boston?

Pierre Gauthier says it makes the Canadiens better. The general manager emphatically stated he is not throwing in the towel on this miserable season.

Well, what would Gauthier say, eh?

If the GM were to be candid, he might announce: “This is the first step toward abandoning the strategy Bob Gainey had when he blew up the team two summers ago.”

In acquiring René Bourque, who is listed at 6’2″ and 213 lbs., Gauthier said he has added necessary size in a league where the majority of goals are scored in the dirty areas. There is no doubt that Bourque gives more net presence than they ever saw with Cammalleri.

Fine. It’s a big lugs’ league where most scores are off rebounds and second chances because goaltenders stop everything they can see.

So why wasn’t this evident to Gainey when he assembled his Lilliputian track team, trading for Scott Gomez and signing Cammalleri and Gionta to rich long-term contracts?

Gauthier alluded to the lack of size among younger players who have joined the club over the last couple years. He mentioned Mr. Diaz, Mr. Desharnais and Mr. Weber.

So what was Bob thinking? Did he believe that the rule changes would open up the NHL to speedy smurfs like Cammalleri?

True, defencemen can’t get away with all the clutching, grabbing and hooking that characterized the bad old days. But it’s still a contact sport.

A hint that the organization was harbouring second thoughts came at the 2010 draft, when the Canadiens traded up to select Jarred Tinordi.

The rich contract for Erik Cole – and he’s earned every penny – was another signal that Gainey’s successor realized he needed a power forward.

Will the Canadiens be a better team with René Bourque?

We’ll start to find out on Sunday, when the Rangers visit. Bourque can’t play against the Senators because he’ll be serving the last of a five-game suspension for an elbow on Nicklas Backstrom:

It’s Bourque’s second suspension within a few weeks, after he got two games for a hit from behind on former Chicago teammate Brent Seabrook:

HNIC’s Kelly Hrudey is not a big Bourque fan:

Bourque’s talent is not in dispute. His desire may be another story.

What it boils down to is the Canadiens trading a player they no longer wanted for a member of the Flames who had worn out his welcome.

Gauthier saves about $3 million in cap space. And although none of the players is likely to say so on the record, I don’t think we’ll see many heartbroken Canadiens at practice Friday morning.

Cammalleri came to Montreal with the rep of being a selfish player. This character flaw is not unique among goal-scorers, but it wears a bit thin when the sniper is firing blanks.

Cammalleri had nine goals this season, one on the power-play. All his PP ice time was spent at the distant perimeter; and even when he was getting good looks, as he did against St. Louis Tuesday night, Cammalleri wasn’t cashing.

He wasn’t happy. And Cammalleri being Cammalleri – a glib motormouth whose ease in dealing with the media did not necessarily endear him to more cautious and reticent teammates – he voiced his frustrations in that amazingly self-serving Wednesday conversation with Arpon Basu and François Gagnon.

Perhaps Cammalleri knew, at that point, that his ticket out of town was punched. Gauthier said he’d been trying to trade him for a month.

Will the Canadiens miss Cammalleri’s flair for playoff heroics?

They might … if they make the playoffs.

Each loss, however, makes postseason play less of a likelihood.

But in the long-term, losing Cammalleri may represent addition by subtraction. The Canadiens may get some good, physical hockey out of René Bourque – who, BTW, is an Alberta Métis who doesn’t speak a word of French. And a second-round draft choice in 2013 could pay dividends.

The deal does not, however, make the team bigger at centre. And it doesn’t help a D corps that includes Tomas Kaberle, Chris Campoli and Hal Gill.

Cammalleri played some good hockey for the Canadiens, notably during their miraculous run to the Eastern Conference final, when he scored 13 goals in 19 games.

He’s a bright, cultured guy (you can’t hate a Van Morrison fan) who was always cooperative with the press. And Cammalleri is a new father and a homeowner, which makes the move out west disruptive.

There was a theory being bandied about in the summer of 2009 to the effect that Gainey targeted Cammalleri as his prize UFA acquisition. But Cammalleri wouldn’t come to Montreal to be centred by Saku Koivu.

So the Canadiens traded for Scott Gomez.

And the rest is history.

I suspect we have not seen the last major trade.

With the exception of Carey Price, I don’t think there are any untouchables on the Canadiens’ roster.

I wouldn’t be astonished were the team to trade Tomas Plekanec, Andrei Kostitsyn – even P.K. Subban, another player who is not universally adored by his teammates.

The addition of René Bourque doesn’t turn this team into a Cup contender.

There’s still work to be done – by Gauthier or his successor.

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It worked with Erik Cole.

The Canadiens acquired a player who had kiled them when he was with Carolina. And Cole has been excellent this season.

When the Canadiens visited Calgary on Oct. 13, René Bourque scored twice and had three hits in the Flames’ 4-1 win.

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Not with a bang but a whimper:

In his final game as a Canadien, Mike Cammalleri played 9:02 and had a clean stat line: No shots, no goals, no hits.

In 196 regular-season and playoff games in blue-blanc-rouge, he scored 70 goals and added 78 assists.

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TSN’s pundits think Calgary got the better of the deal

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Hey, Patrick Holland, the throw-in junior, is plus-23 in the WHL.

And in acquiring the rights to karri Ramo, does Calgary foresee dealing Kipper of they conduct a fire sale?

233 Comments

  1. Chris says:

    Montreal deals their headache (Cammalleri) for Calgary’s (Bourque).

    Bourque is twice-suspended this season, so we’ve may be not so much picked up a gritty forward as we’ve picked up a dirty forward. That elbow attempt on Backstrom was EXACTLY the kind of thing that should get a player thrown out for a season. What the heck was he thinking?

    Patrick Holland will likely never see the NHL. He’s putting up big point totals this season, but part of that can be explained by being a 19 year old playing with two over-agers as his linemates. The warning bells on him is that he is knocked as not being a particularly strong skater and he is a bit small (6’0″, 175 pounds).

    Ramo, on the other hand, may just get tired of rickety airplanes in the KHL and take another stab at it. But it wasn’t happening in Montreal, as Ramo has shown he is good enough to get a big, tax-free KHL contract so why settle for back-up money in Montreal? Like Emelin did, Ramo will come back to have a legitimate shot at being an everyday player or he will stay where he is.

  2. munch17 says:

    How wonder how Cammy felt Tuesday – beeeing booed and watching Halak get an ovation. In my very humble opinion Cammy deserves at least as much credit as Halak – staking the team to an early lead on a regular basis and leading ALL play-off s in goals scored. Ironic.

    Funny how Mr. Gauthier finally realized that with the arrival of Diaz we are a small team.

    I don’t know if anyone has noticed but DD is getting smaller and smaller and hardly noticeable any more.

  3. habsolutely416 says:

    pleks + pk or bealieau + weber and thrown in campoli for the hell of it for getzlaf

    ill be in the slot ;)

  4. habs001 says:

    Third year in a row we will finish in the bottom 1/3 in scoring…many one goal and shutout games coming up…we have no consistent centres that can score goals and we have too many forwards that have very limited goal scoring abilities….

    • j0nHABS says:

      good Point about the centers. DD seams like a great guy and he gives it his all but he is just too small, and I have said this before and people will comment that St. Louis is small and he is good……..well DD is not St. Louis, DD is just not good enough. Pleks is still worth keeping in my mind, he just shouldn’t be the number one.

      • Habitall says:

        All DD does is produce points and improve his linemates’ production. He’s more than just a “great guy,” he’s a useful hockey player. Why everyone is so quick to say he’s not St. Louis is beyhond me — St. Louis when he was in his 2nd year wasn’t the same St. Louis he’s become.

        Now, I’d certainly prefer to see DD moved to the wing, because smurfs seem to do better there than at centre. Plus with Eller, Plex and (soon) Leblanc, we’re getting some good depth. Plus I sense that trading for a big C, or getting one via UFA is on the horizon.

  5. JUST ME says:

    Now that Cammi`s case has been taken care of can we do the same with Francois Gagnon `s? Oh sorry it`s true they can do,say and write whatever they want without being accountable…

  6. boonie says:

    Two words, lose-lose.

    Yes folks, we have a trade with no winners made by two teams that stubbornly refuse to acknowledge what every casual observe knows — they strive for mediocrity and just miss; and, instead of rebuilding, they add Band-Aids.

    Forget the classless nature of the way it was done. We managed to pick up another 30-year-old, underperforming his contract that runs for longer than the player we gave up. Oh yeah, but we picked up a second rounder — two years from now.

    Conventional wisdom would have been to move Cammi to a contender who felt it needed a scoring winger, even one with some risk. Like the Leafs moved a risky-puck moving D to Boston for gobs for value. But nope. We don’t move with conventional wisdom. Like the Flames, we perpetuate our purgatory with moves like this one.

    Finally, you have to wonder what it will take for Geoff Molson to see that M. Gauthier should not be the architect of the sale process of the rebuild. It’s time to move on.

    • j0nHABS says:

      If Cammy was traded to an contender we would have received only picks (If we could have got a first then I would say ok but Cammy wasn’t worth a first), maybe an untested prospect. I’ll take a big winger in the lineup today before picks.

      • boonie says:

        Our horizon for winning something meaningful is inconsistent with a thirty year old in the next three years. Picks are like money. You can save them and use them when and how you want when you want. A first is an asset we could use to select a player to build around or to trade for one when we need that extra umph.

  7. Marc10 says:

    Happy trails Cammy.

    I’ll remember the playoffs from two years ago and the Centennial Game. And I’ll try to forget this season…

    Now let’s see if Bourque plays a Cunney game…

  8. Habitall says:

    Have to say I’m not altogether unimpressed by Gauthier. He’s done more things right than wrong.

    The wrong, imo, includes trading 2nd rounders for good players who you then let go for nothing (Wiz, Moore), and failing to sign a big, truculent D-man (O’Brien, even Mara!) to bolster our back end. He’s also a bit of a jerk, from the sounds of it — giving people the cold shoulder, throwing coaches under the bus, etc. Kaberle I could go either way on: bad contract, but if Markov doesn’t end of coming back, he adds some insurance.

    But he’s done a lot of good things. Eller, Cole … It looks like he’s been drafting well, and starting to build depth on Defense. This trade is a very good one for so many reasons, beginning with cap relief, but more important, for addressing a team need (size at forward).

    I also like that he is very quietly building up a stable of young talent. Getting Holland in this deal is a great move, as was trading O’Byrne for Bournival. If you can’t draft ‘em, trade for ‘em.

    My assessment could change if he gets rid of Moen/Kostitsyn (esp. Moen). But overall, I think he is slowly, quietly positioning the team for success down the line. As a GM he may not be the best in the league, but he’s a definite improvement over Gainey.

    • Marc10 says:

      I’m intrigued by the guy he traded for Ramo…? What’s the lowdown on that kid…

      Bourque and Cams address needs on both sides. Ramo allows the Flames to look at trading Kipper.

      Cams can be traded again too if they so choose.

      At the end of the day, we’re not going to make the playoffs. So we might as well offload what we can and it was Cammy’s time. Now let’s wait and see what happens with Moen and AK…

  9. j0nHABS says:

    Keep it going PG, fix the problems before the trade deadline. Now if we can trade DD for a big center, Kaberle because he just sucks and isn’t really helping the PP, Weber because Diaz is better and we can’t have two of the same type of small D on the same team, Throw Darche in on any of these deals just to get rid of his poor choices on the ice (you can’t get by on just determination, you need skill too) ……………and good luck with the Gomez contract, most likely stuck with that until at least the off season.

  10. francbiss says:

    More goals, twice the size and half the prize. I think its indeed a good move by Mr. Gauthier and a 2nd round pick

  11. fun police says:

    say what you will about PG, he is not scared to make a move. he is an aggressive GM. fans in columbus have been clamouring for anything and they have been stuck watching the same group lose. PG sees a need and reacts, like it or not. I actually like what he’s done so far IF recently acquired players can be buried in minors if contracts don’t work out (KABERLE).

    • jimmyb001 says:

      You like what PG has done so far- Kaberle, Campoli, letting Moore, Wiz go along with other crap deals. Really. Afraid to make a move No but DUMB panicky moves do nothing to improve the habs. As far as Cam for Bourque as much I think Cam needed to go think we all might be disappointed.

      billy jackson

      • Strummer says:

        How can you keep both Wiz and Markov?

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  12. Top Corner says:

    Cammy was money , but he’s one of hundreds of hockey players who can score. What he didnt do is check , and take checks well. Iam not just saying this now that he’s gone, but every time he went down after taking a hit….i was always worried he was not getting up. He’s very small , and its been our problem since the “little big three: showed up 2 1/2 yrs ago. Having 1 or 2 guys on the team like him is fine….but it was proving having an entire team of snipers and speed doesnt work anymore.

    Bourque will play huge like Cole does , and just like that we got a little bigger , and saved some $$ in the meantime !!

    Like the trade very much , to early to tell , but its a good start.

  13. Mattyleg says:

    Hahaha!!
    who cares anymore wrote below:

    “Reports suggest that when Mike encountered the GM last night in the corridors of the Garden, Mr. Gauthier glared at him.”

    What bloody ‘reports’?! Did your imagination ‘report’ that to you?

    Here’s what Cammalleri said:
    “(Habs’ GM) Pierre Gauthier was there [in the dressing room], told me I’d been traded but couldn’t tell me who. He was good with me. Very amicable. We talked. We’re grown men and he explained to me they’d been working on the deal for over a month. You shake hands and you wish people the best.’’

    *GLARE*
    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  14. John Q Public says:

    Now go get us Rick Nash! Pleks?

  15. Psycho29 says:

    I like the trade…..Face it, Cammy wasn’t doing much this season, and Bourque has a lot more grit…

    Funny to read some of the comments in the Calgary Herald about them getting Cammy back……looks familiar ;-) :

    “Baaaaaarf.
    Give your heads a shake. 6 MILLION. He has nine goals. Yes, he put up numbers with Iginla. So did Huselius and Tanguay. Look at Glencross now. Iggy is the reason these guys score monster contracts when they leave.
    Cammy’s past two seasons in MTL? 24 and 19 goals. Even Bourque had 27 each year.
    This is a BAD trade, mostly because the Flames need a center and Bourque was our trade bait. Now we lose him and all our cap space.
    Fail.”

    Read more: http://www.calgaryherald.com/sports/Cammalleri+pumped+about+returning+Flames/5988352/story.html#ixzz1jL6lOJHl

    • Lawrencetown Liquor Pigs says:

      I liked Cammi a lot. I’m sad it ended the way it had, but I really think he was sold on coming to MTL to be a scorer, but the system he played in hindered that somewhat……

      That being said, I’ve warmed to the big picture elements of the trade. Bourque isn’t afraid to hit, even if some of them might be dubious, can score a little, and is cheap. Contracts a little long, but the prospect and pick are intriguing.

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  16. martincurran55 says:

    I still don’t know what to make of this deal. Part of me is happy that we unloaded his contract, but I can’t help but feel we could have gotten more. Feaster said he really didn’t want to get rid of this Holland kid, so hopefully he will turn out to be a good player. The 2nd round pick is also a big pick, especially if Calgary miss the playoffs, that pick could turn into a 40-45 overall pick which is pretty good. Ramo and the 5th were throw ins for Calgary, although I would have preferred we held on to the 5th and maybe give them a 6th or 7th. Anyways, still a little shocked and hoping that was all Cammy was worth, but think if we had to hold on to him until the deadline, we could have gotten a lot more. What do you guys think. Agree or disagree.

    • Habitall says:

      Disagree. If Cammy had been playing up to potential (i.e., had 16-20 goals) yes, other teams might have been looking for him as the missing ingredient, particularly those still in the playoffs hunt. You can’t teach what Cammy brings to the table in terms of natural talent — the guy’s got great hands and a sharp eye for the back of the net. But he wasn’t showing it this year, and the last few years he’s been somewhat injury prone, plus he’s not a big player, and he’s not a 2-way player … What more could Gauthier had reasonably gotten? In fact, given that Ramo was no longer in the team’s plans, to get a player like Holland AND a 2nd rounder (albeit next year), and a decent, big player like Bourque?

      I’m thinking Feaster got fleeced. Cammy would have to return to 35-40 goal form for me to think otherwise. Here’s hoping he does well in Calgary, but that the Habs do better without him.

  17. rhino514 says:

    Where, in Cammalleri´s comments, are there any comments that are in any way disrespectful? What, saying that they are playing like a team with a losing mentality instead of a team with a winning mentality is controversial?? Is that any different than saying the team now is just not playing well??

    Here is the thing: The habs, after years of unstability, had STABILITY the last four years. Consistently reaching around ninety points or above. And the last two years, a team that you would never bet against in the playoffs with strong leadeship.

    If PG does not fire JM and does NOTHING this year, this is what I think happens:

    The team, at fivehundred at the time despite numerous key injuries, starts to gradually improve on their record. Just like the two previous years, where the team was around 500 at a similar point in the season. The MAIN difference this year is that the team has a bad record in overtime/shootout games where they had a good record last year. The talent was still there, the same leadeship which sent them to the semifinals two years ago and nearly knocked off the stanley Cup champions last year was there. i think history will show that JM DID know how to get the best out of his team.
    Neadless to say, the trade for Kaberle was unnecessary.
    If the team is a few games over 500 and playing with desire, Cammaleri doesn´t get frustrated and doesn´t get traded. Then you have one of the clutch playoff players in the NHL still on your team. BTW This is a guy who said in his last comments yesterday “I love Montreal, i love being a Montreal Canadien, I´ve built my home here”…and he MEANS it.

    Sure the freed up cap space is great and Bourque is a bigger player…but his desire is questionable, I´d rather have Cammalleri.

    You don´t panic just because your team is having an off-season mainly due to injuries. And as I said, they were IN A SIMILAR SITUATION the last two seasons. So maybe they just miss out on the playoffs this year and don´t crawl back in time. So what? Long-term, they were a team to be proud of, a team that always played hard under JM. I think that the rumours that Cammalleri is bad in the clubhouse are totally unfounded. I think he was one of the leaders on the team. And I think that adding guys like Kaberle and Bourque (from what I hear) are bad for the team, characterwise. they do not bring any leadership whatsoever. And that´s what it is all about come playoff time.

    The Habs once again have become a franchise which is once again being seen around the league as unstable.
    Only one person to blame for that: not JM, not any player in particular. Pierre Gauthier.

    • martincurran55 says:

      This team is a mess, and I can’t see many UFA’s on July 1st lining up to come to Montreal. I’m just trying to find out when things got so bad. This team is in a downward spiral. I hope they can get this team sorted out. We are obviously in rebuild mode now, so we have to try and make some more moves. Gio is going to be hard to unload because he is injured, and I don’t think we will see any takers for Kaberle. Gill and Moen are probably the next 2 on the move. Gomez will be buried in the minors next year, and if they cannot get AK signed before the deadline, he will have to be me moved also.

    • Mattyleg says:

      That’s a pretty good analysis, but I have to say that I don’t agree with it. There were no indications that this team was turning things around. We’ve lost a lot of games where we haven’t even competed. We are way out of a playoff position, and changes need to be made.

      I don’t think that getting rid of Cammi was a terrible idea; we have to get some size on the team. I am worried about Bourque’s desire level, but we’ll have to see how that pans out.

      Our problems are not due mainly to injuries, they are due to our top players not scoring. Cammy had 9 goals, and was earning $6m. Bourque has 13 at $3m. This needed to be addressed.

      I agree that Cammy was a great player to be proud of, and I loved having him on the team. There is some possibility that he was not well-liked in the dressing room, but that is only speculation based on the fact that he was not liked in LA and in Calgary.

      I don’t think we’re seen as unstable, I think we’re seen as a struggling team that is doing its best to make changes aimed at future success.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • Badwich says:

        “Cammy was a great player to be proud of”

        HUH????????

        One playoff season does not a great player make. Great players are seldom traded so early in their careers or has Camshaft been so excellent that he just had to be traded.

        Camshaft’s Canadian contract must have read “I’m not expected to backcheck or forecheck, hit or be hit, pass, play less than X minutes etc., etc.”

        I can’t believe his teams saw him as anything other than selfish.

        Give me size and heart.

        Taberwitt

  18. HabFanSince72 says:

    If you step back to consider the trade, and I don’t mean to outer space to look at it from the standpoint of aliens who find all our actions puzzling and think house cats are the masters of the planet, but a tiny step back, this is just two teams not playing well trading problem players.

    Not a huge deal.

    • CharlieHodgeFan says:

      Excellent post!

    • Habfan10912 says:

      I agree 72. If Holland works out and we utilize the 2nd round pick plus the 3 mil. In cap space it might be advantage HABS. But for the time being, it is disgruntled for disgruntled.

      • Lawrencetown Liquor Pigs says:

        +1. Don’t want to put a lot of pressure on the kid and whoever the pick ends up being, but they are the important parts of this trade to me.

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  19. HabsFansince49 says:

    Why trade a guy in the middle of a game? Ok, Cammalleri had no points in the game, but at the stage at which he left the Habs had a chance. They were in the game. It was clear from the announcers that many Habs players were distracted by the whole episode. I don’t disagree with the trade; wish we could dish Gomez. However, the whole scenario reflects how Gauthier operates: “I’m king…I may not know what I’m doing…but I AM the King!”

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      I don’t think the trade discussion started during the game. Presumably the instant you agree on the deal you want the player off the ice to avoid injury.

      • Habfan10912 says:

        I am thinking that Cammy was not a favorite in the room and there was.a purpose behind the urgency of getting him away from the group. Such a secret society we will never know the real story.

      • HabsFansince49 says:

        Yes good point. But this does not alter my view of PG or BG. Both contributed immensely to the mess we are in.

  20. who cares any more says:

    I wouldn’t wish living in Alberta on my worst enemy, but in the case of this trade, it is the better of two locales. After last night’s front office shenanigans, and this morning’s ludicrous claim that the trade “has been in the works for a while”, all that need be said is Mike Cammalleri is the winner. He didn’t do anything but tell the truth and got sent to Coventry for his troubles.

    Reports suggest that when Mike encountered the GM last night in the corridors of the Garden, Mr. Gauthier glared at him. I’ve got a news flash for Mr. Gauthier; if you feel the need to glare at someone, hie thee to the nearest mirror.

    definition of insanity: keep doing same thing expecting a different result

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      “I wouldn’t wish living in Alberta on my worst enemy,”

      What if he lived in a really bad place like Kabul or Orlando Florida?

      A move to Stephen Harper Land would be a step up wouldn’t it?

      • Mattyleg says:

        I beleive they are going to be renaming Alberta “Harperia”, and the blue flag with the coat of arms is to be replaced by a large framed photograph of Harper in sunglasses holding an AK-47.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • who cares any more says:

        The answer to that question is still in the hands of the jury.

        definition of insanity: keep doing same thing expecting a different result

    • Kooch7800 says:

      so you really think a 6 player deal happened in 24 hours? Really? Just cause the “so called” insiders didn’t know about it doesn’t mean it wasn’t in discussion. Has any of the insiders known about any of the montreal moves in the last 5 years….not one.

      I also don’t think this is a knee jerk trade. We are not a cup contender so now we have a high 2nd pick in 2013, rene bourque who brings size and gritt to our top 6.

      Cammy is a good player…yes, was he scoring and playing well in Montreal since he got here, no. He was awesome in the playoffs but was not a good fit with our roster. We have too many small guys. I also think that Cammy was not well liked in the room. I would honestly not be surprised to see PK moved either as he seems to be a bit of a dressing room problem.
      If they good get Bobby Ryan straight up for PK or even the 2nd round pick with it, I would do that trade in a heart beat

  21. English is not a Crime says:

    Cammalleri may well have been asked to waive his no trade because a deal was almost done, prior to his comments the other day as well. Remember, even if he had been traded during the game and it hadn’t been mentioned before, he would have had to have waived his NTC, so pulling him off the ice and shipping him to a hotel room without having him already pretty much done that could have REALLY blown up in their faces if he then said no to it all.
    His “read between the lines”, may well have been referring to the fact that he knew a trade was in the works and his saying he would welcome a trade, or whatever it was, may have been saying he’s already given them his list.

  22. doug19 says:

    Rather than watch habs and boston went to watch this game to see 3 habs drafts.
    Shawinigan Cataractes 4 Saint John Sea Dogs 1
    Best Hab this night was
    Michaël Bournival – one goal (17), two assists. Not that noticable at first,but then I thought he played for Canada in recent world juniors. He is a real team player, a good center who makes good skating breakouts through crowds makes good passes, heads for the net to shoot! Scored a nice goal on a partial break. He seems to always know where to be, is an efficient player, not huge but fast.
    Was nice to see a line that breaks out together.
    Nathan Beaulieau defense had some chances but wow is he fast!!!! One play he chased an opponent back across the SJ blue line picked up the puck and was gone……………….up ice!
    Threw a couple good bodychecks.He made a good play to stop a two on one sliding body length to block a pass.He also is good on the powerplay. He was fast enough to dash to the open point to keep the puck in wow!I would like to see more scoring creativity
    from him on the PP he has the talent. He is already a reliable efficient quarter back and likes to shoot and has SIZE which will fill out more.
    Morgan Ellis. Again efficient and a mature player on D with size was pared with Gormley from Canadian Juniors.Gets off good shots on the point, good break out passes, good protection for his goalie, I would like to see more. He also seems to know where to be.
    Shawinigan is a well coached team who didn’t give SJ and Huberdeau etc room to do too much.Habs should check this team for drafts or undrafted they really play a great team game and got much better adding Gormley and Morgan Ellis on defense.
    Charlie Cole got his first goal for SJ. Shawinigan’s goalie was the first star Michaël Bournival was 3rd star.

  23. JUST ME says:

    I call it even. Calgary wanted Cammi back for a long time ,need a goaler although it`s not clear that Ramo wants to play in the NHL and have no idea what to do with a draft pick.

    So you wanted less smurfs in the lineup ? Got it !
    Wanted more cap space ? Got it !
    Wanted more size within the forward lines ? Got it !
    Wanted a good draft choice ? Got it !
    Wanted to get rid of Cammi ? Got it !

    5 of your prayers have been answered in one trade ! 5 !

    After sleeping over it , i think it`s a fair deal for both sides. I liked Cammy,for what he did in the playoffs two years ago and for his way of seeing the game but mostly i think i was mainly in love with his potential that never materialized so it comes down to 9 goals for 6 millions being way too expensive for moi!

    The way he was traded made me realize that the habs have given up hope on the rest of the season. In a sport where you always break it down to the two points on hand, yesterday`s outcome did not matter.

    • aj says:

      Cammalleri will flourish in Calgary. What I don’t agree with this trade is there are other cities that PG could make a trade and I’m starting to feel that he picked the wrong team to put a deal. If you go to capgeek.com, its intersting to find that there are teams who have more than $14 Million in Cap Space and you can see talent that Gauthier could have make a deal with. Teams like NYI, Ducks, or Minnesota to name a few, I think we could’ve gotten a better deal w/ another team than going to a team that may be showing signs of a playoff potential.

      • Kooch7800 says:

        If Cammy had a list of teams where he wouldn’t go, I would put cash on it the Islanders would be on that list. The ducks are not looking for offense they are looking for D men……you could come up with possibilities until you are blue in the face. This deal works for both teams so why not do it

  24. CharlieHodgeFan says:

    This trade had to be done, because of Cammi’s blossoming a-hole factor. He’ll score a bunch of goals for the Flames, and wind down there, too. We may have to think about why we seem to have an egostist generator in this town – but tht’s what forums like this are for.
    Cammy was doing nothing this year, Bourque may do something. At this point, all we’re doing is watching low-grade entertainment, so let’s hope he is more entertaining, and that further moves also strengthen the team.
    There are no grounds for anguish, and a little room for curiosity. It’s two AM, the party looks to be a total dud, and an a-hole left while a new character just walked in, possibly with a case of beer.

  25. Dodger says:

    Hopefully Bourque will provide some much needed “heft”….let the purge of the smurfs continue and may the outgoing tide take Gauthier and Gainey with it. ..although the mess can mainly be laid at Gainey’s doorstep. (And don’t forget..no matter WHAT…its the media’s fault)..although I have failed to see any particular “rabble -rousing from Gazette sports reporters!!!!!!

    JUst a question about commentators. I suspect a good many on here listen to a variety of sports on a variety of networks. A number of commentators are former players or coaches. My question is this: can anyone think of a network commentator (other than the HNIC clown) consistently (or ever) refer to specific teams as “we” when commenting on a particular game?

  26. Dodger says:

    JUst a question about commentators. I suspect a good many on here listen to a variety of sports on a variety of networks. A number of commentators are former players or coaches. My question is this: can anyone think of a network commentator (other than the HNIC clown) consistently (or ever) refer to specific teams as “we” when commenting on a particular game?

  27. HankHardball says:

    Just one quick note about Gauthier’s previous trade. Kaberle has 12 points and is -2 since joining the Habs. He’s now the highest scoring defenseman on the team with 18 points.

    Cammalleri dissed the team. He dissed the coach. He’s been criticized in the media. He was having a bad year after a weak year last year. The perpetual turmoil surrounding the Habs’ poor showing was probably getting to him. And regardless of how he says he feels about the city of Montreal, I suspect he’s happy to be headed back to play for the Flames.

    Bourque’s a lot bigger, scores most of his goals in net scrambles, which is something the Canadiens need, and has 16 more points than Cammalleri so far this year. They also save 3 million against the cap. And they got a 2nd round draft pick. So there’ll be some future payoff from this trade.

    Cammalleri is a well known popular player around the league, but he definitely wasn’t earning the 6 million bucks he was being paid to play in Montreal

    • The Cat says:

      I fully agree with Weber and what he said about being better than some of the guys on the ice. Kaberle doesnt just suck; he really sucks.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

    • aj says:

      There’s a good and bad side to what has happened yesterday.

      The good: the trade has opened more cap space and disposes liabilities like Cammalleri this Year. With this move, Gauthier might be thinking of making trades as well come trade deadline.

      The bad: Gauthier’s timing stinks big time! He does not know when to actually make a move at the right moment. To firing coaches to making trades, its a sign of incompetence to a man how acts like he owns the team. Also, Gauthier’s acquisitions are mind-boggling! He could’ve made a trade other than Rene Bourque to someone cheaper like a Matt Moulson or a Michael Grabner from the Islanders.

      • HankHardball says:

        Geoff Molson, team owner, has also taken over Pierre Boivin’s job as team President. Which means he’s Gauthier’s immediate supervisor.

        I guarantee you Molson knows every move Gauthier makes, and signs off on it before he makes it.

  28. The Cat says:

    Size is important. Last night I thought the habs best players were Moen, Cole, Darche and Blunden. And props to Subban as well for trying to spark things up.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  29. BLACK ICE says:

    It is what it is.

    Cammi told the truth & now he is gone. He needed to go anyway but not that way. That deal was done in a day not a month PG is full of shat. Every player in that room needs to say nothing to the Scumbag reporters in Montreal. In the room just say “no comment”. They never ask the real questions (besides the time the one lady did). They ask stupid questions. They asked Price what he though of the Cammi trade. How in the blue hell was Carey supposed to know anything about that while he was playing hockey out there? Brain dead reporters in Montreal, they are a joke & a half!

    That trade was only good for the $$$ saved, that’s all. Now all Carey needs to do is ask for a trade. It worked for Halak!

    • The Cat says:

      I dont understand why the players have to be so amiable to the reporters, they could answer and be unpleasant, really keep the reporters on their toes.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

      • aj says:

        @ The Cat:

        As long as they can sell a story and make the printing presses (and the internet news updates) rolling, they will make reports no matter how misconstrued the facts are.

        Sometimes, you got to take the media’s word like a grain of salt. Not everything that they say is accurate. Whether its from sports to politics to science, i think its best to understand first and get the facts straight rather than making judgements.

        • The Cat says:

          I realize that and I know players have to be accessible to the media, but that doesnt mean they have to be nice about it. Are players not allowed to hand a reporter his ass verbally?

          [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

          • aj says:

            They shouldn’t hand a reporter verbally their reputation or their manner of doing things. They Could make a few statements but like what Cammalleri was doing after his misquoted comment, he was just saying statements like “that’s none of your business” to “that’s between me and Gauthier”, that’s also a valid statement. I would rather hear that than hear or read anything unnecessary.

    • aj says:

      I think the lesson learned here by the current players who are playing for the Canadiens is better to just say nothing or, as you said BLACK ICE, say “no comment”.

      As I said in the past and I will repeat it again: You CANNOT rant or vent your frustration in front of the press! The kind of demeanor or manner that you handle yourself, whether verbal or physical, can be scrutizied by the media. We live in a society where gossip, murmuring and rumors are a part of our normal everyday activity. The press: whether the Gazette, La Presse, TSN, RDS, ESPN, etc, etc, will ALWAYS take a player’s word and put it out of context. And we, the fans, sometimes take their word for it.

      3 times this kind of news blitz came out of the Canadiens players: AK’s rant on JM’s attitude towards him, Patches complaint about his fatigue, and Cammy’s shpeel on the Habs performance and his as well. The 3rd latter is a tipping point of this useless gossip and sadly, this team is paying the price.

      If Price, Cole, Subban, or the others are not careful with what they say, they might end up like former #13.

  30. Un Canadien errant says:

    Another 2-1 loss to the Bruins tonight, which took a back seat to the developing story of Mike Cammalleri’s alleged trade. The news pretty much took the sting out of the loss. At least the organization is done with wallpapering and spackle jobs, they’re now undergoing the major renovation.

    How did we get here so quickly? I remember the enthusiasm at the end-of-summer golf tournament, how all was sunny and great. Tonight it’s as dark as I can remember since the Irving Grundman and Réjean Houle era.

    Mike Cammalleri was, I thought, a consummate pro who trained hard in the off-season and worked hard on the ice, scored big goals but celebrated soberly, with class. I believed that his slow start was a reflection of an early season injury, but obviously there was more to the story.

    Long term, I worry about the damage to the organization, its ability to make trades and develop players and attract free agents with the massive drain of credibility occurring this season. The team imperatively must find strong leadership for the front office, to calm the roiling waters, quell internal dissension and set the direction.

    While we’re trading away big chunks, players who we thought we could build around, let’s send P.K. far, far away. I give up. I don’t care anymore about his vast stores of talent and potential. His actions tonight disqualify him from wearing the bleu blanc rouge. He dishes out a big elbow to David Krejci, a dirty play on a smaller skilled player who had done nothing to attract that kind of attention. When Brad Ference tried to take him to task, as I grudgingly admit he had a right to, P.K. flopped down, again, and covered up with his arms to protect his beautiful face. Once the scrum was over and the referees had come to rescue him, he stood up with his trademark big grin, as if the preceding events were all a big joke and he was above all this nonsense.

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    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Errant, it’s alarming for there to be something akin to despair in one of your posts (likewise Habtrinifan yesterday). The two of you are similar: positive, balanced, constructive. The wheels must really be coming off for you to talk about “dark”. And it dents my own optimism! (I hope Cobb and Hab in Burlington are clinging on!).

      I was in fact more morose after the St Louis loss (happy though I was for Halak and delighted with the Bell Centre’s response). I thought that game really made the team seem hopeless and useless. In contrast, I thought they actually did a lot of things well last night and could have won the game if we’d had a bit of luck, or Thomas hadn’t been in such fine form.

      Re. Subban. I’m trying NOT to get where you are, but he makes it harder and harder all the time. Perhaps the condescension he displayed last night gives a buzz to some fans, maybe those who really boil with hatred for the Bruins. I found I was cringing.

      Meanwhile, if not exactly pumped about our playoff prospects, I’ll still be enjoying the games because of the sweater and because of the patience and capacity for taking the long view that middle-age affords!

      Bonne année, mon vieux. All the best for 2012.

  31. G-Man says:

    Apologies to Tim Rice.

    Don’t cry for Mike Cammalleri
    The truth is he didn’t play well.
    Although this season’s been scary
    Bourque will help the Habs gel
    PG has kept his promise
    And Cammalleri? His hubris.

    And now the Habs fortune and fame
    Have been invited in
    And all this to host a playoff game?

    _______________________________________________

    Tanking- The Losers way of winning.

  32. harrow15 says:

    Decent trade. Breaking it down 1 by 1 i think we get the benefit:

    Cammy is not producing Vs Bourque who is bigger, gritty and can score +1

    Kari Ramo (never heard of him) Vs – Holland (point per game producing in AHL) +2

    5th round Vs 2nd round, obvious win +3.

    If we can somehow land a deal to get rid of Gomez/Markov/Campoli to land someone like Legwand and/or Tootoo we will be tougher, grittier and get those rubbish goals in front of the net that get us those important OT wins.

  33. The Cat says:

    Man, the habs are the best soap opera on tv. I like the trade, PG did a good job on this one.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  34. montreal ace says:

    I hope this trade is a win for both teams, and I wish Cammy well in Calgary. Rene Bourque also gets a big welcome, as we need the type of grit he brings to a team. I dont mind trades where teams try to help each other, and this might be one like that. I complained about PG today, I feel he is late to the game but I like this deal.

  35. Dunboyne Mike says:

    Many assertions that Bourque doesn’t speak French.
    Can anyone confirm this definitively? I’m not so sure.

    Props to the poster below who points out that he’s even happier Cammi’s gone if he suddenly turns it up in Calgary, thereby suggesting he wasn’t giving 100% in Montreal.

    Also last night’s poster who wondered would we be watching the Flames trade Cammi at the deadline and get a lot more for him…

    Welcome Bourque.

  36. deuce6 says:

    CapGeek.com:

    ** UPDATED ** A quick update on the Mike Cammalleri/Rene Bourque swap from Thursday night. The move opens up all kinds of cap space for Montreal, as the Canadiens can now add a cap hit of approximately $8.2 million at the deadline without requiring any long-term injury relief. The Flames stayed cap compliant by putting several players on long-term injured reserve, but once their roster returns to full health, they’ll need to trim more than $2.5 million in cap hits.

    ——————

    Yes, I’m a Hab fan..Wanna fight about it?

    • Mike D says:

      If we’re adding salary at the deadline, that means we’re trying to make a push for the playoffs. IMO, that would be a short-sighted, ill-advised move given our place in the standings and play this season.

      - Honestly yours

    • English is not a Crime says:

      They’re also due to ship Gionta to long term injury relief anyway, not sure how Markov and Gomez each missing half the season affects them either for that matter. They have tonnes of cap room if they were to pick up something.

  37. deuce6 says:

    I can’t wait to see some of this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QY_3r6621U

    and this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOo1mTad0Jc&feature=relmfu

    and how ’bout this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNkHICIySTs

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  38. Jdub1985 says:

    I see how it is, Habs… ship the Italian Jewish guy out of town, and bring in the French Canadian! Well the joke’s on you; he doesn’t speak French!

  39. Klondike Habs Fan says:

    YESSSSS!!!! This is awesome news. We got the better deal people! My good buddy is a Flamer, and Bourque is his favourite. This is great I am so pumped.

  40. Jdub1985 says:

    This is exactly why I refuse to put a number on the back of my Habs jersey … the last number I invested in was #44 and it wasn’t the Hammer …its been blank since. And after Souray, Kovalev now Cammy…
    I assume I’d be safe with DARCHE, which is pathetic in its own right.

    I haven’t watched much of this team this year … ever since Boston won the cup, its left a bitter taste in my mouth … and why start after what may eclipse the Mario Tremblay days … if you’re old enough to drink in the States, you’d understand.

    I was a Kovy fanatic … the way he’d spin on the blue line moments before a roofer on the PP … I loved Cammy as well, he best replaced what was lost with Kovalev … but now he’s gone as well … and with Gionta out for the year and talks about PK also on his way out … how could any kid in this town afford a Hero? They’d have to read it in Roch Carrier’s picture book. It’s ironic that the one guy on the inside who warned PG that size was needed to protect the skilled assets, a year after #67 had his neck broken and many other faces bloodied in a CH uniform, that he would be the guy traded out for just that request. But at least now there’s hope, hope that this Bourque kid, notice the french in his name (which is all that counts) will use his elbow to end a couple of Beantowner careers (any will do). I mean that’s what this sport has become right? … a glorified MMA league that hands rings to the likes of Lucic and Chara. So after 20 years of ignorance or denial, maybe this organization that is more known to dive then win cups will begin to grow past six feet and become relevant again in the sport of hockey.

    • deuce6 says:

      Which is sole reason I have a Larry Robinson jersey..

      ——————

      Yes, I’m a Hab fan..Wanna fight about it?

    • MasterHab says:

      I hear that. I have a Koivu jersey and a Kovalev jersey in my closet. I never wear them anymore. Fortunately I also have a Mats Naslund jersey, a Henri Richard jersey and a Bob Gainey jersey (which, I’ll admit, I don’t wear much since the acquisition of Gomez)

      Stick to the retired guys and you can’t go wrong. No one is trading the Rocket.

  41. price365 says:

    about all I can say to this trade – we’ll have one tough guy – and I hope there’s more to follow – if you’re gonna lose – might as well lose being tough.
    The lines I would like to see:

    Bourque Pleks Cole
    Max-pac Deharnais Darche (the Bulldog line)
    ak Eller Moen
    Blunden Nokelainen Weber or whom ever they bring up from the BullDogs.

  42. Da Hema says:

    For what it’s worth, I have some thoughts on Cammalleri and the trade. What disappointed me when Cammalleri complained of the “losing mentality” on the Canadiens was how much of that losing was directly attributable to Cammalleri himself. How many games did the team lose this year by one goal, the ones Cammalleri is paid to produce? Was Cammalleri expecting players like Darche to score? Worse was how obviously indifferent he was on the ice right at the very start of the season. He perfected the Alexei-Kovalev-Scott-Gomez-perimeter-don’t-hurt-me-please style of play. Even more distasteful to me was his prima donna whining to the media. An adult would have simply approached Gauthier and quietly explained to him he no longer wished to play for the Canadiens and requested a trade. That would have been the mature thing to do.

    As for the trade itself, the Canadiens easily win for one simple reason — Cammalleri was a free agent signing. The team did not give up any players or draft picks to get him in the first place. Now we have a big body with a nasty streak and a potentially valuable second-round pick in what appears to be a deep draft.

    Thank you Michael for your contributions. Enjoy your time in Calgary, the so-called “cultural capital of Canada.”

    • Habs Requiem says:

      Well that 2nd Round Pick isn’t till the 2013 Draft and we’re not sure how deep that is yet……this time next year we’ll have a better scope on that.

      “I reject your reality and substitute my own”.

      - Adam Savage

  43. nickster13 says:

    So when are we drafting Galchenyuk? he is injured so he wont be drafted as high as he could have been, probably 2nd or 3rd overall. Now i think he could be had at 9th or so. So I say we should draft this guy

  44. This trade stinks, like a rotten egg.

    Watch Cammy all of a sudden find his game and lead the Flames into the playoffs. Its seems their is a trend that when any player or coach leaves the canadiens organization they find success with another team.

    Go Flames Go!!!

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    • slychard says:

      Im+be-ci=le

      +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
      Kiss my hAbSS!!!

      • Thank You for your opinion, but you don’t know why it stinks. But thank you for your opinion though.

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        • slychard says:

          Why don’t you fill me in to that knowledge of your’s as to the stinkyness of this trade… never mind, I already have you pegged, I can tell by your atrocious spelling that you are a simpleton angry at the fact he has spent $200.00 on a customized Cammy jersey. Sorry that was harsh but it’s a fact. This by the way coming from a Frog schooled in the French system. Learn how to write and I might take your next post seriously. God speed.

          +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
          Kiss my hAbSS!!!

          • Look whose angry. I am not angry at this trade, I am simply giving my opinion. Isn’t this why Habsinsideout.ca exists?

            I would love to tell you why this trade stinks from my perspective, but I suppose even if I do, you’ll still find something wrong with it.

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          • Jdub1985 says:

            Internet Bullies always intrigue me … lets flip this one around Hercules, compensating for something?

          • slychard says:

            No Mr. Gere, I am not compensating for anything…are you?

            +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
            Kiss my hAbSS!!!

  45. Marc10 says:

    Big, fast and goes to the net is a good start.

    Lazy, inconsistent and ‘takes dumb penalties’… well that’s not fantastic.

    But you can overcome the latter…

  46. bellcentre hotdog says:

    So the Habs traded a small, soft, and non productive $6 million player for a big gritty forward, a good prospect, a 2nd round pick, and $3 million+ in cap space.

    I think this is a pretty good deal.

  47. shakey says:

    They should be able to get something for Gill at the deadline (picks at least) – good shut down guy. And maybe even Campoli. Pleks can be a solid #1 or #2 centre if he doesn’t have to carry the entire load.

    Maybe even some of the spare parts like noklainen will get us something. on to the future!

  48. shakey says:

    Yay! Spirited effort tonight, and a good trade to give us size and more effort. Could mean AK 46 could go, as they are similar players, but as much as I liked Cammy in the playoff run, his time here was done. Good move by PG.

  49. doogie says:

    One down and 3 to go! Gionta, Gomez and Gill. Then, there will be some light at the end of this tunnel.

    * * * * * * *

    I keep waiting for Shutt-Lafleur- Lemaire to jump over the boards!

  50. JayK-47 says:

    I think this is it for roster trades.

    Gomez will go for a mid to late pick to a cap floor team allowing them to save 7 million or so over the next 2 years. I hope there’s a bullet point about it and that’s the last I ever hear of it. (by it, I mean The Trade)

    Campoli, Y. Weber, Diaz and Kaberle. One or 2 will be off for mid to late picks. I wish them luck and hopefully to a team where they’ll do well, but not against the CH.

    Gill. Does he retire? I’d like to see him back one more year. The PK is just as important as the PP and I don’t know if Tinordi is ready. (seriously, I don’t know. How’s he doin?)

    I like this trade. From what I read RB will backcheck on D and fight for the puck in the O zone and pot 30-ish goals. With his addition, the Habs come a lil closer to being a contender. Maybe not this season with Gionta being out for the remainder and Markov coming in after the all-star game.

    Can LL play right wing?

    • ProHabs says:

      Jay, Markov ain’t coming back Dude. He is done, PG is just to embaressed to announce it as he will look like a fool for signing him for 3 years at 5 million per of Geoff’s money.

  51. English is not a Crime says:

    The last few moves on the forward lines have been to bring in Bourque (6’2, 215), Cole (6’2, 205), Eller (6’2, 200), even Nokaleinen (6’1, 190). Then we factor in others like Pacioretty (6’2, 210), Moen (6’2, 220), AK (6’0 215), Leblanc (6’1, 195) and the size of Gionta (who’s out), Gomez (who’s got to be as good as gone soon), DD and Pleks is becoming less and less of a factor all of a sudden.

    Dmen like Tinordi, Gill, Emelin don’t hurt the overall size factor of the team either. All things considered, it’s a start.

  52. HardHabits says:

    I like this trade more about the 2nd, Patrick Holland and the freed up cap space but I also like the immediate impact of a 6’2″ player who likes to mix it up and can score goals.

    • deuce6 says:

      Agreed..This team was in desperate need of a top 6 forward with size and a scoring touch..

      Someone stated that he a “Super Moen”..W/E that means..lol

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  53. PeterD says:

    Patrick Holland … the so-called “throw in” with the deal has 57 Pts. and is 2 points ahead of B. Gallagher in WHL league scoring this season…same draft year as Gallagher and just maybe he is a sleeper with late blooming talent.

  54. smiler2729 says:

    From the Chew-On-This-One Dept.:
    Carey Price and Scott Gomez to Philadelphia for Claude Giroux and Ilya Bryzgalov.

    Would ya do it?

    ___________________________________
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    • frozengolf says:

      In a heartbeat!

      The three important elements of hockey are: forecheck, backcheck and paycheck.

    • English is not a Crime says:

      HELL NO! A goalie can win you games and even a cup if he gets hot enough. That’s the most important role on a team and Bryz is already folding under the stress of Philly…. god help him in this nuthouse, that Price has already shown he can go through and come out the other side smiling somehow.

  55. HabsfanoftheHabs says:

    I do like this trade on all 3 levels. Anyone know much about Holland? He’s got some decent #s. And a 2nd for a 5th is a nice swap, if we were to look at it that way.

    Really liked Cammy, but man, way to be a dick about it all.

    • smiler2729 says:

      Just read about him, nothing special, 7th round pick, 6’0, expected to be a 3rd liner IF he makes the NHL

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      • deuce6 says:

        Hmmm, and I guess Gallagher is top line material? He is out scoring him, but that is nothing special…

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        • English is not a Crime says:

          Look up Corey Locke’s OHL scoring prowess or Justin Acevedo’s final few yrs of OHL stats…. doesn’t always mean a whole lot in jr.

      • HardHabits says:

        Holland is 9th over-all in scoring in the WHL, ahead of Gallagher. He’s 6’0″ but at 175 lbs needs to gain some weight. He is on a very good team but he is one of the reasons why they are good. I think he is a good prospect and will definitely help the Bulldogs next season.

    • citizenSanto says:

      I heard about the trade when i was in an elevator and initially thought to myself “this feels wrong on so many levels”.

      I’ll miss Cammi and what he brought in the playoffs. However, the team really needs some changes. I hope this is a step in the right direction.

      Thanks for some entertaining years paisano.

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      – Augustine of Hippo

  56. Duracell3 says:

    I don’t even care who they got back, could not come soon enough.

  57. Laramy87 says:

    Everyone wants Gomez gone, but realistically there are very few teams out there that can take on his 7 mil a year salary. Florida and Phoenix are two that come to mind. FLorida is at the floor and and may want to add a vet for a playoff run, maybe PG should get on the phone with Talon, but i doubt talon will bite.

    We are mostly likely stuck with him. Sather was lucky to get rid of him, i doubt the same thing will happen twice

    • English is not a Crime says:

      Looks Europe bound most likely. Much like Huet was awhile back when his contract was too much for the Hawks to swallow. He knows his contract is going to push him out of the NHL, he can’t currently renegotiate it, although the lockout and new CBA on the horizon could still affect all of this.

    • HabsfanoftheHabs says:

      Lots of teams can ‘take on his salary’. we just moved 6 mil, what’s 7. I would not expect the same return however lol

  58. durocher says:

    Excellent (as per usual) analysis, Boone. 1) This is addition by subtraction, in getting rid of an unperforming player with a big contract who was not popular in the room, 2) we have added nonetheless a physical forward who can contribute. 3) The broader signal from this trade should not be lost — it’s an indictment of Gainey. 4) I also would not be surprised if PG continues a fire-sale, trading Pleks, AK, Gill, Campoli, or even Subban.

  59. smiler2729 says:

    Rejean Milbury is an embarrassment.

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  60. Rad says:

    This trade is a win/win. Cammalleri will help Calgary immediately, Habs get cap relief while picking up some youth with Patrick Holland, who has more points than Brendan Gallagher in the WHL. Our scouts must think quite highly of Holland for PG to include him in this deal. And I like Bourque. He is tough and he plays with emotion — something that seemed curiously lacking in #13.

  61. Nobody says:

    How many Habs forwards does it take to screw in a lightbulb? Just one, but the top 6 would all have to stand on a ladder. Hyuk Hyuk!

  62. Nobody says:

    This is not a shock. The season is a disaster. I would not call this a fire sale but I expect a significant re-staffing in the months ahead. I wish I had confidence in Gauthier to actually improve the team, but I just don’t. Hopefully he proves me wrong.

  63. nickster13 says:

    Well at least once this blows over, we can hopefully restore our reputation as a solid team that the rest of hockey fans respect, as opposed to the current one riddled with short jokes, lack of toughness jokes, language quips and media darlings like Subban, etc

  64. Trisomy 21 says:

    The panelists that everyone loves to hate on TSN?
    I kind of like them but they seem to think Calgary won the deal.

  65. ProHabs says:

    Nice to see Gauthier and Habs management finally realizing what many of us posters have been saying was obvious for 2 years, the Habs are tooo small and need to move some smurfs out.

    Amazing that last year, alot of the guys were saying the Habs dressing room was the closest it had been in years. This year, the room is a mess.

    I personally think PK has alot to do with this. I am sure there are players on the team that like him alot (Price) but there are others that probably don’t care for him (Pleks). And when you see him turtle like he did tonight and then get up laughing, you need to think there are players that are a little embaressed.

    • deuce6 says:

      Yea, same panel that redundantly said we were too small..Hypocrisy at its finest, but what do you expect from TOR based media…

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    • deuce6 says:

      You do realize we scored our only goal on that PP…PK needs to play more like he did tonight..He got under the skin of the Bruins and laid some nice hits to go along with..

      Just enjoy the kid for what he is and stop sucking all the Don Cherry crap up..

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      • ProHabs says:

        My point is, Boston is a team that if they are not playing physical, you want to keep it that way. Don’t wake up the sleeping bear because Boston can kill any team in the league physically, and can bitch slap the Habs if they wanted to (and they did in a couple of games last year to prove it).

        I am sure guys like Moen don’t appreciate PK starting something and then turtling because Moen then knows he will need to fight the Bruins on his own.

        I am sure Gill doesn’t enjoy the PK turtle either because when things get rough, Gill is the big guy that willl need to square off with Chara and that won’t be pretty.

        And with the makeup of the Habs, hardly any of them can handle themselves in a fight so they would be wondering why is PK trying to turn this physical.

        • deuce6 says:

          If we were actually winning the game, I would have had an issue with it, but because we were losing, PK was trying to draw a penalty..He did and we scored to pull us within striking distance…

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  66. RiverviewCanadien says:

    Thank you Mr.Gauthier,

    :D

  67. alwayssunny says:

    Wow they traded Cammelari? Good. I haven’t even looked to see who they traded him for and I still like the deal. I thought he couldnt be traded because is about 3.5 million a year overpaid. Did Gainey hook up with another team? Cammaleri is more interested in selling swag than playing hockey anyway. So long Mike, hope they got someone taller than you but I doubt it with the retards that run the Habs.

  68. Stev.R says:

    Bourque will be a good third line player, especially if we lose a couple of the handcuffing contracts we have. I like Bourque, I think we could have gotten more for Cammy at the deadline, but if this means were trying for a fresh start then I’m alright with this.

  69. stevieboy says:

    Its a smart move, as you’ll see in time, the cap space itself is a help. Next year, we’ll have a bigger team, but also the speed of Eller, Cole etc
    Gonna be good

    Stevie

  70. habs11s says:

    Apparently HBO picked the wrong teams to showcase, they should be following the crazy antics of the Montreal Canadiens…
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  71. habs03 says:

    Good job by H/IO to only show the bad of Bourque, but hey, I dare someone to rip PG for this trade. I loved Cammy, but Bourque is ALOT cheaper, ALOT bigger. And get a 2nd pick on top of it.

  72. Willy the bum says:

    Update TSN interview with Cammalleri at the Boston hotel after hearing the trade (see this before you make a comment!):
    http://watch.tsn.ca/featured/clip600293#clip600293

    Haven’t written anything here for the longest time, but seeing this during the game is a huge shock!

    Really like Cammalleri and been part of a great playoff year with Halak against those two best Eastern teams then.

    And so, its kinda sad to see Cammalleri go, but it is all business, and the team must need something to boost up. He won’t get a lot of goals this season but he will soon play with a lot of heart, that is when he’s on the better team.

    My very thanks and wish Cammalleri luck, and when we’ll welcome Bourque, we’ll hope he’s better efficient on the team than him.

  73. RiverviewCanadien says:

    Boone, I just can’t imagine why the Habs would trade Plekanec.

    Why list him first?

    Brand new contract, two way player, they do have other assets to trade to try and land that 1st line center.

    Would it be worth it to call Howson for Carter in a package deal?

  74. Jim Edson says:

    So PG has an epiphany and now acknowledges that size matters?

    WTF?

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    In short, a league commissioner is the action man for the Board of Governors.

    They tell him what they want done and he works to make it happen through his subordinates while making sure that individual franchises play by the rules.

    ******** Translated if you haven’t won the Stanley Cup in 40 years your NHL team is becoming irrelevant in a sports mad city long behind MLB, NFL and NBA teams, you just tell the commissioner(who you gave a new contract at 7 plus million per) to make it happen and the rules are bent sufficiently to action the command.

  75. matt jordan says:

    have to disagree with you bud, i wouldn’t say “payed good for the habs” but payed good BY the habs

    I don’t think they’ll trade them either. Gionta is hurt, and Plekanec is actually a good player

  76. Just A Guy says:

    I keep wondering if the fabled cap “floor” teams will start inquiring about Gomez after this season. One can hope given that there is a glimmer with a new coach that just might help his numbers out in the 2nd half of the season.

    Question is where will he play? It shouldn’t be a bad thing to have 4 2nd line centers. Only in Montreal I guess…

  77. slychard says:

    Who would want Gomez? Ok perhaps a team might pick him up next season with his 5.5 million and 4.5 on the last year of his contract with a 7 million cap hit on a franchise that needs to fill this cap but, BUT!, we have to see what’s to come with the collective agreement contract…

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  78. Just A Guy says:

    oh and keep in mind that Gionta once said that he didn’t come here to lose so if the habs are heading into a youth/learning (i.e. tank), look for him to want out. This might also complicate things since Cole came here on Gionta’s advice. He does look like he’s having fun though.

  79. Dintrox says:

    my hope is the new CBA will have a better buy out provision and we can get rid of Gomez. bar that we could loan him out to a Euro team.

  80. Da Hema says:

    It’s not all that off topic. Perhaps the Canadiens can try to trade Scott Gomez for her. She’s tougher than he is.

  81. The Dude says:

    Hey Cannabians , if you could unfocus on her bajungas you’ll see she’s getting past cougar,lol

  82. deuce6 says:

    Which ones? The ones that look like grapefruits in tube socks? She must have some kind of support in those bras..lol

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  83. Habs_4_ever says:

    LMFAO

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  84. boonie says:

    Cammi scored at a 50% higher rate before landing with JM, he’s signed for fewer years and he’s a little younger. if he regains his form with Iggy, calgary will move cammi for a first at the deadline. Smells like the kaberle deal in so many ways, right down to the lack of communication by PG to the player involved.

    More importantly, you don’t rebuild with 30 year olds. And, IMO, we should rebuilding not retooling.

  85. mchenske4 says:


    that’s not bad for a 30 year old underachiever!

  86. Captain aHab says:

    What do you think he could have gotten for Cammy? A first rounder? If that’s what he had gotten, people would be on here saying that picks are crapshoots.

    People want PG to turn Cammy into Getzlaf. This is the real NHL not NHL2012.

  87. Captain aHab says:

    If he regains his form. He might also not regain it. Maybe Mikey is getting tired of being hit by guys twice his size.

    Why would the Habs not be able to flip Bourque, if he keeps scoring, for a high draft pick? He costs less and brings more grit than Cammy. And you need grit in the playoffs.

  88. boonie says:

    I guess it depends on when you think we’re going to compete for something valuable like a Cup. Given the makeup of this team, it won’t be during bourque’s contract, so count me as someone who would have preferred a first.

  89. boonie says:

    Calgary has been publicly trying to trade this guy and had no takers… Like Carolina with Kaberle… Like the Rangers and Gomez.

    Sound familiar?

  90. smiler2729 says:

    Yeah I suck at predictions.

    But F you too

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  91. Kooch7800 says:

    no one would give you a first rounder for Cammy. He has had 50 points as his highest in his tenure in Montreal and makes 6 mill a season

  92. cowellj17 says:

    Not sure what a fertile position is…anyways, better tell your point-per-game player to keep his head up, cause he got fuckin steam-rolled bro !

  93. sheds88 says:

    WTF is fertile position……..is that when you and your boyfriends form a circle on a saturday night in your mom’s basement and play just the tip ?
    This coming from a guy that calls himself brad marchand 63, the dirtiest player in the league. Hey, did Colin Campbell get his name on the cup?
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  94. Badwich says:

    Can’t get over that hit you took last year BRAD?
    Taberwitt

  95. Tharsis says:

    Fertile? You really think that it is a fertile position? Go pick up a dictionary you knuckle dragging neanderthal. Perhaps you should learn some spelling and grammar before you try to troll…of course this is from the guy who is a starley cup champian.

    Here are some errors that I was able to pick out for you. *I’m *fetal *You *conjugate *Cammalleri. Keep trying though, with a little more practice you may be able to formulate a complete sentence.

  96. habsolutely416 says:

    marchand 63, frogs? you do realize that there are some french canadian players on the bruins as well as the coach.

    ill be in the slot ;)


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