About last night …

Panic

Time to push the Panic Button?

Fire Michel Therrien?

Fire Marc Bergevin?

Trade half the roster?

Tank for a high draft pick?

Send Carey Price to Lourdes?

None of the above, peeps.

At least, not yet.

It will be a grim Monday morning in Montreal after the Canadiens’ lost weekend.

On sports phone-in shows, the lines will be blazing with the aforementioned Draconian suggestions … and more.

Fans should be enraged.

Since the beginning of December, your Montreal Canadiens have been sinking faster than (insert nautical metaphor).

The Canadiens are clinging to the Eastern Conference’s second wild-card playoff berth. They are one point ahead of Pittsburgh, which has two games in hand. 

Not far back are New Jersey, Ottawa, Carolina and Philadelphia.

 

The Canadiens have won four of their last 20 games. The last time things were this bad in Montreal hockey, Hitler was on the march in Europe.

The 1939-’40 Canadiens opened their season with an 8-2 win over Chicago and went on to four Ws in their first five games. On Dec. 7, they beat Toronto 4-1 and were first in the seven-team NHL.

Then the roof fell in. The  Canadiens went 1-11, including nine straight losses. The beginning of 1940 brought losing streaks of four, five and six games en route to a 10-33-5 record and last place.

Times have changed.

No one is about to invade Belgium. And the Canadiens’ season has not swirled down the porcelain bowl … yet.

But the indicators are not good. 

With the exception of Max Pacioretty, who scored his 19th goal of the season to cut the Hawks’ lead to 3-2 with 9:30 to play, none of the Canadiens forwards is scoring with any consistency.

The D corps, which used to be a team strength, is in tatters. 

Andrei Markov’s gaffe in OT cost the Canadiens Saturday’s game in St. Louis. After playing 26 minutes against the Blues, Markov was cut back to 17:42 – 13:28 at even strength – against the Hawks.

Remember when Nathan Beaulieu seemed on track to becoming a future Canadiens’ star on the blueline?

Beaulieu’s error on the Patrick Kane goal that snuffed out any hope of a Canadiens’ comeback was inexplicably bad. What could he possibly have been thinking, abandoning coverage of the NHL’s leading sniper to make a pointless foray into the corner?

“This is not Pee-Wee hockey,” Guy Carbonneau said on L’Antichambre after the game. “These are the best players in the world. Game after game, we see mistakes.”

Played on ice with a rubber disc that takes unpredictable bounces, hockey is a game of mistakes. Even the mighty Hawks weren’t perfect Sunday night.

The Canadiens’ margin of error, however, has become razor-thin.

With goaltenders not named Carey Price, mistakes in the Canadiens’ zone end up in the back of the net with dismaying frequency.

Mistakes on the attack (when the Canadiens manage to mount one) become turnovers, with opposing teams whirling away in transition.

Even heretofore steady veterans are prone to SNAFUs. Torrey Mitchell had two penalties against Chicago, plus a turnover on the PK.

Alex Galchenyuk, who has showed recent signs of finally reaching his huge potential, was a team-worst minus-3 against the Hawks.

Lars Eller was the best Canadiens forward in Chicago. And with all due respect to the Not-So-Great Dane, Eller is not about to put this team on his shoulders and carry it out of their doldrums.

Have the Canadiens quit on their coach?

It didn’t look like they had Saturday night in St. Louis, nor last Thursday against Chicago at the Bell Centre.

Maybe, in the absence of Carey Price – whose Hart Trophy MVP credentials have been burnished to a bright shine during his absence – this team simply isn’t good enough.

I’ll leave that debating point to the Commentariat … and to those radio fire-breathers.

Pittsburgh is in St. Louis Monday night, while Ottawa visits San Jose.

A win by either knocks the Canadiens out of a playoff position.

Boston  visits the Bell Centre Tuesday night.  Then the Canadiens are at the ACC on Saturday.

I don’t foresee dramatic off-ice changes at the beginning of the week.

But if the Canadiens lose to the Bruins and Toronto … well, this could be too 1940ish for Geoff Molson to tolerate.

•  •  •

Comment from slapshot777:

MB is running out of options. MT may be his best buddy but wasn’t Carbonneau the best buddy of Gainey.

Bob had the balls to can Carbonneau. Guy still hasn’t come out with the reason why. I don’t believe their was one, Carbonneau was just trying to make Bob look bad with his French media buddies.

If Carbonneau was a good coach why hasn’t he been hired by anybody either as a had coach or assistant.

MB should have been already talking to other coaches by now. He has to have a plan. That magic eight ball he uses has to be broken. He needs to go to the Ouija board.

Get in a couple of exorcists and sharman. Get them to sprinkle ashes and holy water all around the Bell Centre and the coaches room as well as the dressing rooms.

•  •  •

Habs fans need a laugh, and Monday’s NY Daily News delivers:

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448 Comments

  1. Ktowner says:

    Perhaps it is time for the fans to show their displeasure in the only way the team ownership will recognize.
    Stay away from the rink.
    Stop buying merchandise.
    Stop paying to watch games on media devices.

    Hit them in the pocket book.

    Angry words are useless. Money talks.

  2. HabinBurlington says:

    I have to say John Scott has handled his entire All Star Fiasco trade with class. All Scott has done is play a certain way that got him to the NHL. His career was near done and was quietly going about his business and then suddenly he finds himself in the center of the All Star Boondoggle.

    He has done nothing wrong and in the interview he gave yesterday he was completely honest of his feelings. I kind of feel bad for the guy, as he didn’t lobby for this situation, he merely embraced the results.

    Good on ya John, you have handled your situation much better than those responsible for the game itself and the teams you must now play for.

  3. PeterCH says:

    Monday morning: THE SILENCE FROM MB AND GM IS DEAFENING…

  4. Scottym314 says:

    Well, obviously us fans aren’t the only ones who can see the problems with the team. You have to think the CH brass does too. And saying this, you would hope that MB has a trick or two up his sleeve to play SOON before the season is lost. However, waiting for CP to come back will be too late to turn things around…. that is, if it continues like this.
    Sure is tough being a die-hard fan right now. Heartbreaking!

  5. Habsbill24 says:

    For those of you who thought that Gallagher was the answer and would right the ship, well I guess it is clear he as not. The problem is there is only one goal scorer on this team, Max. And while Gallagher is a terrifIc guy to have on the other wing, Max has never had a really good legitimate number one center to play with. No one else on this team can score. And it is tiresome to keep hearing about Chucky and not having any wings to play with. When he was with Max, Chucky sucked so if Chucky is going to be a franchise player he should make his wings better no matter who they are. So stop with the excuses for him, it is time that he shows he was a legitimate #3 pick and do some scoring.

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      At that point and for a long while, everyone who played with Max sucked. I guess the lesson is that, like the EGG line, it must never be tried again after a 3 game failure.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      The timing of when Galchenyuk finally got a crack with Max was curious. I believe it was against Boston and another top tier team who had very good centers for him to go up against. He didn’t look great, but he also had what 3 games roughly?

      In light of how this whole team is playing I might be tempted to try again but with a longer rope. Also not sure if Gallagher was healthy during that experiment.

      But regardless of that, I am still happy with how Galchenyuk is doing compared to his fellow draft mates of that year. My bigger concern is the coach now resposnible for getting the most out of him.

      Another top pick this season would go a long way to helping the situation.

      • Bob_Sacamano says:

        It was at home against Boston (of course Bergeron played a lot against them) and at Detroit. Back to back games when Gallagher was out. Absolutely no reason not to try it again as they´re our best two forwards. You don´t think they are good enough defensively? Fine, then give them Eller at RW and you also have a decent duo in Plekanec and Gallagher for the second line.

  6. CharlieHodgeFan says:

    I can understand MB hanging on to Therrien. The Habs had a period where it appeared the players dominated the coaches, and the players were not very good. Therrien stopped that pattern, and has provided a certain gruff stability.
    Are they gunning for him now? Hard to say. maybe they are simply doing what every analysis of the team said they would preseason – being unable to score?
    The season’s start was spectacular, and the Habs ran like a machine. Now, they play like a bunch of individuals. That looks to be on the coaching.
    In the Fall, I felt like a Habs fan. Right now, I feel like a Leafs fan. That’s all I know. This team was not good enough to be 9-0, but it is not as bad as what is out there now. They are awful to watch.

  7. jrs10069 says:

    Fire Therrien already, is MB waiting for? He’s already waited too long and most likely cost us the season. Only good news is that he’s also costing himself his job.

    MT and MB acting like politicians all the time with their obtus words and smug looks, you’d think they were lined up for a Senatorial like pension. Do your job!!!

    jrs10069

    • ffenliv says:

      Who will they replace him with? You can bet they’ll hire a francophone. Only so many of those around. Guy Boucher? Might be the most boring, defensive coach available, in addition to being French.

      • CharlieHodgeFan says:

        The coaching job is more than on the ice. Molson needs his marketing. The coach has to do interviews and sell the product, as well as manage it.
        I would propose a unilingual Kazakh coach. That would make good business sense in Montreal.

  8. HairyHabist says:

    Habs formula for winning is, their goalie has to outplay the other team’s goalie.

    If that happens, they usually win. If not, they’re a middle of the pack team.

    Without their superstar goalie, they can’t beat good teams. Playoffs or regular season.

    • Habfan17 says:

      Agreed, and that is lousy formula!! I was never a fan of the MT hiring and now, I am questioning MB a well. He may not have brought in young, top 6 players with his signings, but he did bring in players with offence. Including Vanek, none has worked out. The common thread being Therrien and his system.

      I know Vanek wanted to play in Minnesota, but having Therrien play musical chairs, moving him to his off wing and to the 3rd line, certainly didn’t leave Vanek feeling warm and fuzzy to stay in Montreal and play under MT! Maybe if he was left where he has always played and excelled, he would have resigned.

      Right now, things are a mess and someone needs to step up and fix it!

      Habfan17

      • HairyHabist says:

        I’m not blaming Condon. He’s played as well as we have a right to expect. But he’s not Carey Price.

        The schedule had us playing a lot of good teams over the last 6 weeks and they all had their top tier goalies. Many of the games we lost, the opposition goaltending was outstanding.

        We got 1 point in our last 4 games. The next 4 the schedule is more favorable. We could come away with 6 points.

        We’re not good enough to beat good teams unless our goaltending is better than theirs.

  9. trade_centre says:

    The irony is that if we’d been merely OK during the first month – say gone .500 for the first 11 games – we’d have 40 points right now – Auston Matthews country.

    Then again I see no reason why we can’t make it. One last push and we could even beat the Oilers to top spot.

  10. habs001 says:

    Based on all the assets the Habs have in their entire organization the only way they will improve is by getting high end draft pick or signing a major UFA…The reality is the majority of the teams in the NHL have prospects on their teams or in their organizations that pretty well match the Habs assets and in many cases have way more potential…

    • kamarad popov says:

      I completely agree. With that in mind, what does it say to you if the GM
      trades a first-round pick like Tinordi for peanuts? Good asset management?

  11. habs001 says:

    Petry and NB28 for me were never as good as many posters and even media praised them but they are better than the way they have played lately…Neither in my opinion will provide much offense but at least they could get the puck out of their zone…Now both are struggling and seem much slower and are having real problems handling the puck…

  12. doug19 says:

    Tinordi and Kassian exceling will take down MB, both very poor trades. Who did we get in return again?
    Habs have one unbeatable player – Price and he is injured.
    Habs have one unstoppable player – Subban constrained. Why they don’t put either Subban or another of their dozen defenseman who can skate on a forward line to create havoc and drop back to cover for PK beats them and me.

  13. Habitant in Surrey says:

    Not sure if Boone is being politically correct or if His Marxist oblivious soul is simply blind to the fact that Belgium, indeed all of Europe is being invaded today. And it looks like today’s invaders will be staying more long-term than Hitler’s SS troops were able to in the middle of the last century.

    So, His analogy to Our present season is not far off.

    That being said, I do not believe the Team has ‘quit’ on Therrien.

    The Team is playing ‘hard’, for Therrien and each other, but not playing smart.

    The reasons could be inadequate coaching, there are too many new faces in the line-up that they have lost their identity and their chemistry. and/or the finishing and puck skills, as a collective, just can not compete with the more elite teams.

    If We are realistic it’s a little of everything.

    Another thing, on top of those reasons, other teams really psyche themselves up for kicking Montreal Canadiens’ ass.

    It has been a very perplexing season. Hard to figure, besides the loss of Price, the Gallagher injury, which began a cascading domino-effect.

    Or, were the seeds sown earlier with the misadventure signing of Semin, and the trade of Prust for Kassian ?

    For the past 2 seasons especially the culture of the Team was based on character and chemistry. Believe it or not I still see character, but not chemistry.

    Chemistry is such an ephemeral thing. So easily there one moment, and disappears completely the next, unless carefully nurtured.

    Kassian’s character was known to be problematic here in Vancouver. So why swim against something Bergevin and Therrien previously preached as the essence of this Team, character, especially doing it by trading the epitome of the Habs’ character, Prust, for Him ?

    Similar, Semin. Why bring in such potentially toxic additions to the line-up ?

    These decisions, and the fact Bergevin has not been successful obtaining a top-6 scoring threat to compliment Max, certainly has taken Marc’s respect as a wunderkind GM down blazingly fast.

    I hope He will pull a rabbit out of His hat. Rob another GM blind by landing a Seguin or Benn-type without hollowing the Team. Easier said than done.

    Right now, not knowing what is possible behind the scenes with Bergevin, I am feeling OK with playing for a draft position. Let Carey heal through a summer.

    If Marc and Michel get things back on the rails, I’m OK with that too.

    Should be an interesting drama coming Our way, either way.

    Who would have predicted this kind of season this past September and October ? Certainly, not I.

  14. kamarad popov says:

    The problem is not the coach. I know, I know, if you read something 1000 times it makes you want to believe it’s the truth, the ONLY truth.
    We have won 4 games out of the last 19.

    Another 2 losses and I expect the coach to be gone.

    We play Boston next. We usually win those so it may give the coach a chance, a slim one.

    We have a drafting/development problem combined with the “middle-of the pack” syndrome.

    We had some home-runs in our drafting: Pacioretty, Subban, Price but these need to be surrounded with the right cast.
    They’re not. More often than not, we get some rejects from other teams to complement them. This is not the way to go.
    Where’s the talent? Look at the Hawks. They finished last and were able to draft superstars. Yes, but’ that’s half the tale!
    Their support cast is fantastic although they‘ve been winning and forced to get rid of great talent because of salary cap issues.

    At the Junior tournament over Christmas, Montreal was the ONLY NHL team without a player in the tournament.
    How is that possible? What does that say about your talent pool and the future of the team?

    Rant over. People hit on the coach but I think we basically don’t have the pure talent needed to win.

    Our cast beyond Pacio, Plekanec, Gallagher and Chucky is sliiiiiiiiiiiiiim.

    The Habs just aren’t a very good team.

    I think for what we have on paper, the Habs really come out to play for this coach, surprisingly motivated sometimes I would say. the cast is just too limited. Desharnais, Mitchell, Flynn, DSP, Weise, Eller, whatever…

    The Blues won on Saturday without breaking a sweat.

    My 2 cents.

  15. bustthebusters says:

    Hmmm… 50 points after 46 games, 78 points 2012 last in conference. Waddya think, 28 points in 36 games, doubtful the way this squad is playing now. Worst losing streak since WW11 and the coach still has a job. Must be the new normal, it’s all the players fault. Methinks the coach should go, along with selected fat cat contracts and under performing players. If I understand that right, this would fall under the GM’s purview and if he is unwilling or unable to effect change, then off with his head, or at minimum a nice severance package.

  16. LeaveTheCoachAlone says:

    Has it ever happened that no Canadian team made the playoffs in one given season.

    Talk about Canadian suckatude. Habs are 23-23, after starting 9-0.

  17. Gerry Pigeon says:

    AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!

    I don’t see Molson firing MB, but I do think MB will eventually fire MT. When? Who knows…

    Unfortunately, unless MB suddenly starts making serious moves to overhaul this club, I think we’re just looking at more wasted time between now and when Serge Savard and Molson yet again reconvene to discuss who to hire next as GM…

    Then again, maybe I’m wrong, and Habs ownership and management will just pass this year off as an anomoly, making some more tweaks for next year, and try again. In which case, it will likely take until next December/January to discover what we already know now, this team is headed in the wrong direction fast. Maybe we’ll even find out Carey’s injury is chronic next season, and then we can really try trading from a position of weakness in a YEAR from now…

    Obviously, I think we should start now. Another poster mentioned that Scotty Bowman never got his shot at Habs GM cause he was too emotional, impatient, and may have traded half the team if they defied him, or didn’t give 1000% every night. I’d say MB is now erring on the side of caution, and it’s only going to get worse for every day he delays further…

    Preparation + Opportunity = Good Luck

  18. Goldenchild says:

    Therrien, version 2.0 expires tonight folks! Wake and and it will all seem like a bad dream!!!! The axe shall fall…..speech is ready and MB to deliver it in the AM. It will be like Christmas for all Habs fans! Good riddance, Therrien….it is curtains for you, sir!!!! Salut!!!

  19. durocher says:

    Tinordi situation was poorly managed, Pateryn is also being mismanaged. Barberio should have been with the big club from the start, he had such a good training camp. MB messed up royally.

    We have no grit or energy. We’re just a bunch of good guys who play a system. Our margin of error is so small and we lack both the skill and the killer instinct to make up for any mistakes.

    I like MB’s style, but as time goes on, I’m less and less impressed with his decisions. It’s a young players’ league, and re-upping DD, Pleks, and Markov makes no sense given their production and cost.

  20. tonyhabsfan says:

    I’m just tired of all of this, I live in Nebraska, I know a crappy coach when I see one, Therrien is totally wrong for this team, I expect he will be gone when I wake up tomorrow. As for the new coaches, I don’t care if they’re Navajo code talkers as long as they use the resources at hand (granted, not much there). Rest Markov, use Pateryn, rest eller and desharnais and call up some of the kids, Carr, Andrighetto , Hudon, I don’t care, swap the entire rosters, just DO SOMETHING FFS!!! This is the MONTREAL CANADIENS, dammit! failure is NOT an option..go get a goaltender someplace, there’s usually a bunch hanging around Philly, leave Price ’till next year, use the rest of the season to teach and develop the kids, there,all done, sorry but it was this rant or a possible hostage situation…..I do feel better now!

    Habs fan- the very definition of insanity for 20+years…..

    • Goldenchild says:

      tony, you are bang one. Wake up and poof! Like a bad dream, Therrien, version 2.0 will be history. Time to move on. MB does NOT want to miss the playoffs and will do all he can ….. chow for now.

      Goldenchild out

  21. durocher says:

    If you read one thing about the Habs, check out this stat:

    https://twitter.com/AndrewBerkshire/status/688947887682809857

  22. PK says:

    Assume that somehow, some way, Auston Matthews ends up as the number one pick of the Oilers.

    Should the Habs pick Jesse Puljujärvi or Patrik Laine?
    Discuss.

    (the old Tyler versus Taylor debate).

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    “Une équipe de hockey sur glace de l’île de Mont-Royal va gagner la Coupe de Lord Stanley à 24 reprises dans le 20e siècle et trois fois au cours du 21e siècle.”

    – Nostradamus, 1552

  23. Lafleurian Factor says:

    If we had an average to slightly above average goalie these negative rants would be muted. YOY CAN’T WIN IN THE NHL WITH MINOR LEAGUE GOALIES!

  24. J.Ambrose.OBrien says:

    I swear to God, some of the people around here sound like they should be holed up with Ammon Bundy and his gang in Oregon. But instead of wailing against blacks and Washington elites, here it’s the fault of the “french imperative” and french media elite. Do you people all live in homogenous cultural bubbles far removed from the linguistic diversity that is La Belle Province?
    You are free to disagree with Therrien and Bergevin’s decisions. But to then extrapolate that all the franchise’s woes stem from their sensitivity to their largest fan-base and sponsorship group is, quite frankly narrow-minded, if not downright racist.
    I’m sick of it!
    We are going thru tough times. That is no reason to trot out the old tired anti-french sentiments. Sigh.

    I remember Dec. 31, 1975

    • jacquesthemonkey says:

      When you are winning, no one cares what language you speak. Now that the Habs are losing, it’s because their hiring choices were limited to French-speaking talent.

    • Heisenberg says:

      I understand and respect your position. It didn’t help that there was a boob poster here purposefully poking the language issue. The problem is that it is the Montreal Canadiens who have made language the issue with its hires. The entire coaching staff is French-Canadian and the administration is almost all French-Canadian. The problem, it seems to me, is that it is impossible to win in today’s world if one is limited to hiring one linguistic group as your organization’s key decision-makers. Does anyone seriously believe that any of the current coaches on this team are among the best in the NHL? You can prioritize merit or language, but, as Ken Dryden pointed out, you can’t achieve the objectives of both simultaneously.

    • kamarad popov says:

      Thank you very much for your post man. There is hope out there after all.

    • twilighthours says:

      Yes, that poster lives in a homogeneous culture bubble. It’s beautiful where he lives, but homogeneous for sure.

    • ffenliv says:

      The team hasn’t known proper success in more than two decades. Who, after all that sustained failure, wouldn’t want to try something new? Limiting themselves to the handful of coaches they can hire with this policy in place is likely doing damage to the team’s success. At what point does ownership place more concern for the team winning something than it does for ensuring the language issue doesn’t rock the boat?

      Be careful when reading this not to interpret it as saying that French-speaking coaches are the reason for losing simply because they are French. That’s not the case. It’s part of a larger problem where the team is beholden to this nonsense, and isn’t free to find the best possible coach to bring on-ice success. At times, that coach will speak French, at others, he won’t.

      They’ve got a GM who speaks French, and assistants who speak French. They can staple a translator to his suit pants if they need to. But go out and find the best guy. If they decide that they can have the in-game success fans so desperately crave with a guy who also speaks the language, great! If not, the media can scream about it, fans who think language is greater than winning can deal with it. We’ve been putting up with doing it their way, and have gotten exactly nothing beyond bilingual press conferences.

      At what point is winning a Cup the more important thing? IN my estimation, that should come first.

      I don’t hate Quebec, or the French. I hate losing, and I’m sick of watching it. I grew up with a Leaf’s fan dad. By a happy accident, he made me into a Habs fan as a little kid (a longer story). All my life, with a smile on my face, I’ve told people that his little mistake (one he regrets, for sure) has given me a happier life. But as ’93 fades further into the rearview mirror, and now I have my own wee ones to small yet to know fandom, I wonder if they’ll end up fans of another team and be happier as I was.

      Winning games is what matters to most fans, I would imagine.

      I think you overestimate the number of fans that would leave the team, and sponsors that would pack up. For sure there would be media outcry, but that’s a constant anyway. It would merely be on a new topic.

  25. Luke says:

    It’s bad.
    it’s sucks.
    But you must persevere.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzlpaz-8-j4

  26. montreal ace says:

    Wow I thought we had an earthquake here is BC, so I called CBC to find out what happened. They said its just Hab fans jumping off the bandwagon, they also said I should get used to it, as its getting worse every year

  27. Enigma says:

    Happy to see Eller play what might of been his best game of the year. Any playoff team would be happy to have him as a 3rd line center…but MT is the master of trying to fit a square peg into a round hole, no matter how many times he hammers away!

    Very good John Scott interview that Stu posted in the twitter feed.

    I hope Weise isn’t resigned. Both him and Therrien think he’s a sniper, but he’s barely a 4th line plugger these days.

    Bring up the kids!

    Habs are the curse of the drinking classes around here these days! 😉

    ‘Work is the curse of the drinking classes.’ Oscar Wilde

  28. Luke says:

    hey Marc if you are done… screwing… Scott over, some offensive players, maybe Eller, maybe some AHLers you could trade for, if you have time, are saying:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-crgQGdpZR0

  29. Donkey Hoat says:

    I feel it’s a moot point saying “When Price returns, then we can judge this team/coach fairly.” If we suck so badly without Price, then we’re not a real team, and it’s pointless to try to scratch and claw our way into the playoffs.
    If all our hopes hang on one player, even one as great as Price, then we don’t deserve to get to the playoffs.
    We’ve been a one-dimensional team for over 20 years, always pinning our hopes and expectations on one player or another, then running that player out of town when they inevitably crumble under the weight of fan expectations.
    The latest trade is irrelevant, but it shows that we’re headed in the wrong direction, rudderless, that our priorities have been muddled.
    I had reasonable hopes when the new GM was announced, but I was disappointed in his choice of coach; not because I felt he was unqualified, but because I knew they were buddies. Hell, the guys on AC were congratulating MT even before it became official. I had to conclude that the search for the best available coach in the world was not given its due process.
    I don’t know what the conclusion is to my babbling, but this doesn’t feel right; not at all.

  30. Luke says:

    Honestly, after this weekend, I have no idea what to think.
    The team played well… yah, losses and boo. But they played well enough against tough opposition. St. Louis Injuries? Yah we ain’t exactly 100% either.

    So I don’t know.

    I despise MB shilling for Gary. I hate it. It absolutely infuriates me. To carry on about class etc and to do that without giving Kassian a shot is absurd.

    I love the team, to a fault. I look for sunny days and rainbows. and hope Lars can score 4 (in in one game, not a whole season) again.
    but i really really hate this shadow Bergevin just cast.

    I just don’t know where my mind is…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iC0YXspJRM

  31. Arnold 56-79 says:

    The best start in team history shortly followed by the worst slump in over seventy five years. You can’t say it hasn’t been an interesting season. And not even at the all-star break!

    Seriously. The “French Factor” regarding management and coaches has been a debilitating impediment that has finally choked this franchise from being as good as it could be. It has been for a long time, but is now more evident than ever.

    The last Cup in 1993 had the lingustic prerequisites in place, but the world has changed since then. A lot. No internet then, VHS tape the norm, no smart phones, etc. etc. Change and adaptability are unavoidable in all walks of life unless you want to be left behind. In hockey, the free agency factor, salary cap, advanced training and nutritional knowledge, new cutting edge equipment, hi tech scouting tools, deeper pool of world talent, etc. make the sport a tougher challenge than ever.

    When every franchise is looking for innovation and creative means of gaining a competitive advantage, what do the Habs prioritize?

    Appeasing the rigid proclamations issued by a cadre of local media who had their world view shaped by the Quiet Revolution. Fine, if culture has to be integrated into the actual operations of sporting franchises. Not so fine if you handicap yourself by a priori exclusion of the most superior representatives of the management/coaching ranks of the not preferred linguistic orientation.

    As long as a 1970s set of doctrinaire guidelines are inviolable then any Habs fan will have to acknowledge that ‘special conditions’ apply to the team of their preference. By limiting your options it simply means ‘winning at all costs’ doesn’t apply. Creating a cultural comfort zone obviously is a prerequisite that makes competition insanely more difficult.

    What worked in 1986 and 1993 will be infinitely more difficult to replicate today. Even then those teams were only sixth best or worse in the regular season and rode playoff magic to the Cup. Twenty three years later I see the odds being very difficult that the limited pool of appropriately qualified retreads and unproven candidates will endure to shape a championship franchise. A unicultural firewall is not a cutting edge twenty first century paradigm.

    Ironically,Stan Bowman, the son of the coach of the last dynasty is now presiding over a different original six multi-championship team. But wasn’t he born in Montreal? So would he meet the cultural criteria, or is it literally just spoken language that isolates the Montreal franchise?

    The Ferguson-Shack melee was a real donnybrook, if not an outright brouhaha.

  32. Luke says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoDh_gHDvkk

    Yah, MB and MT probably are…

    (instead of ranting i’m just gonna like songs)
    under pressure

  33. Luke says:

    I’m not sure if we need this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl3vxEudif8

    I still don’t know what I was waiting for
    And my time was running wild
    A million dead-end streets

    or this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBuwC4VJi50

    We can beat them, just for one day
    We can be Heroes, just for one day
    And you, you can be mean
    And I, I’ll drink all the time

  34. bwoar says:

    To be clear, when I say “cheer for another team” I really mean er… “flock off”, y’know?

    I say that because the language thing never, EVER comes up when we are winning.

    But as soon as we’re in the toilet, the stipulation of French-speaking management/coach/waterboy becomes a sticky point that needs “explaining”. For the 1000th time.

    The dumbest part, to me, is that people act like being able to speak French is such a rare trait in a human being. Most people I know can speak multiple languages, and the majority of Canadians certainly do. How hard is it to find a competent coach and GM that can handle some basic French? Real answer: not that hard.

    It’s just that ownership doesn’t have to care. So long as the building is full and the gang can parlez vous, winning & losing aren’t dissimilar. We really, really are the Leafs 2: Semantic Boogaloo and it’s the same attitude, just a different semaphore. It’s stupid and depressing for fans, but what’s it is not, is a political issue based on language.

  35. The Gumper says:

    Don’t think this patient has much of a pulse…. somebody call 411!

  36. habsfan0 says:

    Habs now 21 points behind Washington and only 11 up on the Leafs.
    That game next Saturday in Toronto should be a barn burner.

  37. HUDSONHAB says:

    Question:
    If the Leafs had Price, would they be better than the Habs with Price?
    I feel dirty for even having that question pop into my head but there it is.

    ….Hab4life….

  38. dickanddanny says:

    It’s back to watching 70’s re-runs of the ‘old’ Habs until we have a team worth cheering for. This crap is pathetic.

    “back to you Dick”

  39. Danno says:

    Therrien has become an Excuse-O-Matic machine in his post-game press conferences.

    He should take down his stupid NO EXCUSES sign from the room since he doesn’t practice what he preaches.

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  40. Bozo McBozo says:

    Hainsey, O’Byrne, Tonordi…You fail to get in touch with Larry Robinson…Your D coach is JJD and you wonder why you have not developed any big blueliners? Are you freakin’ special???

  41. Bozo McBozo says:

    Well, playing pickup was the right call this evening after all. Off for the MLK Jr. holiday in the States tomorrow. Unlike the Habs, I have a dream!

  42. PK says:

    Tank and go on to the next five year rebuild.

  43. HUDSONHAB says:

    Max is a lazy ass goal scorer who just scores goals that he doesn’t have to work for. With a Captains effort he could have 30 goals by now and the Habs could have 10 more points as a result. He needs to lead by example. And… don’t give me this crap about his salary and what a great deal the Habs got. This isn’t about who makes what money. It’s about pride and the C should stand for “Come follow me and work with me and together we shall become victorious “. Or something like that.

    ….Hab4life….

  44. Luke says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZS0WvzRVByg&list=PLmGUHV0fV2hcEML-nAKQomZXu7LJtWpY4&index=3

    OK this is a great one, because everyone loves Gandalf and hates 22 year olds.
    Also I’m still piiissed at MB.
    I could not give half a rat’s patoot about MT, but MB just swearswearswearityswear the swesr out his swear.

  45. mksness says:

    i really wonder if the ducks would be willing to trade gelzlaf and what would the price be. makes a lot of money, getting older, maybe his body is breaking down… who knows

  46. Alex_425 says:

    Please make it stop. I can’t get anything done if I’m always drinking to forget.

  47. Chelios24 says:

    There’s a drastic lack of character, passion and leadership on this team without Prust and Price. The players must be looking around at each other in the room while the silent passive Plekanec and Markov say nothing, Gallagher is too young to take the reigns, Subban speaks too much and can be polarizing and our soft passive captain tries to solve the issues. This is a team of boys. Wimps. Watch a game between LA and ANA and you’ll see men playing hockey.

  48. Un Canadien errant says:

    I didn’t watch the game, just fast-forwarded through it on my PVR, stopping to see the goals. Partially because I was on my way to a dinner and knew I wouldn’t have the strength and patience to watch it later without nodding off. Mostly because the Jarred Tinordi trade really doesn’t sit right with me. I feel the same as I did when the Tomas Kaberle trade was announced. We’re going in the wrong direction.

    I feel a monster post coming on…

    ———————————————————————–
    So my resolution for this season is, taking Hal Gill’s injunction to heart, to “let P.K. be P.K.” I’m not going to try to hold him to the standard of Raymond Bourque or Chris Chelios, I’m going to allow him to be himself, with all his glory and his little foibles. (…) I’m celebrating P.K., not trying to improve him. Anymore.

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  49. Arnou Ruelle says:

    I was going back and forth with the english and french media. TSN690 just don’t cut for me. If Shawn Starr can say the Habs is MB’s team and that Geoff Molson can’t fire him, I think that would be a gross underestimate on the part of the owner. First of all, this is Geoff Molson’s team. Second, regardless of whether Bergevin signed a 7-year contract extension, it doesn’t mean his job is safe. If Molson can fire Pierre Gauthier, he cannot fire MB for one reason alone? I don’t think so!

    In l’Antichambre, they were contemplating if Bergevin should’ve done or is it time to make a big trade. Gaston Therrien brought Galchenyuk’s name as a possible trade for Johanson.

    If Galchenyuk, to me, is on the trade block, I’d say make a trade for #27 in exchange for Ryan Nugent-Hopkins from Edmonton. At least, its a Centerman in exchange for a Centerman.

  50. metropolitfan says:

    I wonder if the way MT has this team play, specifically the relentless forechecking, is not just draining it physically. That could explain why the team and certain individuals did so well early on in the season — when they were not yet tired out — but not so well since Dec.

    I believe the CH puts a BIIIG emphasis on aerobic/cardio fitness for that very reason. But maybe that kind of play is not sustainable?

    Any thoughts out there…?

    • dickanddanny says:

      I was out of breath just thinking about it…………

      “back to you Dick”

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      It’s an interesting notion, it’s certainly plausible.

      Other theories have been floated, one that the other teams weren’t able to deal with the team speed coming out of camp, but now that they have their skating legs they can withstand it.

      Another was that when the team is engaged and playing with confidence, with determination, the system works, but when they’re a little shaken, when they’re maybe not as fiery and cohesive, that maybe it’s impossible to have the pedal to the metal and skate all out all through the game. Maybe the Canadiens aren’t as relentless as before, maybe they’re not quite harrying the defencemen and causing as many turnovers, without that fire in the belly.

      My postulate is that other teams have plainly reverted to thumping and gooning and facewashing the Canadiens, and it’s having an effect. As gutsy as players like Gally or Daniel Carr are, the boys are only human, they get sick of getting crosschecked or rabbit-punched in the back of the head, only to have the refs and linesmen wade in and do their ‘Break it up’ routine, with no consequence for the guilty, and no benefit for their sore nose. After a while it gets old.

      We saw the refs do a halfway decent job last night of trying to pick out the culprits, identifying the Blues as the culprits instead of calling offsetting penalties, if any. Unfortunately, the Canadiens couldn’t make the Blues pay with their powerplay. Or rather, they made them pay somewhat, but were undone by untimely lapses by their young goalie.

      This is where Marc Bergevin took a calculated risk, didn’t go down the George Parros-Douglas Murray road the last two seasons, and it’s coming back to haunt us. The Canadiens are soft targets for attempts at intimidation. The smallish fleet team we had looked like a stroke of genius right out of camp, but now it feels like the Bruins of 2011-model is being resurrected when teams play against the Canadiens.

  51. Chelios24 says:

    I think the Habs have so many issues to fix that they are best doing what Toronto did last year, tank, sell-off and get good draft picks. How can a team losing this consistently regain its confidence or improve it’s scoring? There’s no quick fix

    • Reznor says:

      Tank is the only option.

    • expat_habsfan says:

      The difference is that the Leafs best decision was the acquisition of Babcock. The Habs, unless something drastically changes are still going to be stuck with some antiquated house rule that the best coach or GM aren’t good enough for the franchise unless they can also speak French. Mr. Molson will soon have to decide whether he wants the best leadership or the best French speaking leadership for his team. Ironically, I think that if Quebec City gets another NHL franchise nobody would care anymore if the Habs’ coach or GM were fluent in French because those who might care would be following the Neo-Nords again anyways.

  52. 76Habs says:

    Only thing I could find in the cupboard is Johnny Walker Red. I’ll even drink that tonight!

  53. expat_habsfan says:

    In my humble opinion the Habs are so done that even the return of Price won’t be enough to help the team avoid missing the playoffs. MB’s dedication to character players, this summer’s poor acquisitions, and the loss of their failsafe goalie have turned this team into the poor product that is now on the ice

    Strangely enough I don’t think firing MT will fix this because whom ever else comes in will still not have enough talent available to change the outcome.

    This is a lost season but I think it would have eventually headed that way even with Price in the net for every game.

  54. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    I can’t take this anymore. I have got to get some sleep. The only thing worse than this is if Price is rushed back and he gets injured for a year. Anyway, I’m tired listening to a coach who has more excuses than Timo when his wife finds his massage receipts. I’m done.

  55. Danno says:

    All I know is it’s going to be a lean year for scalpers who are stuck with Habs tickets.

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  56. The Swiftian Age says:

    The NY Daily News piece makes me think of

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcotYF3aNVM

    Lilliput for the Lilliputians!

  57. Luke says:

    Mike, where did you find Prop’s picture?
    Doooooooooooooooooooooooooomed!

  58. Luke says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0eSpAgqrWo

    Load the car and write the note
    Grab your bag and grab your coat
    Tell the ones that need to know
    We are headed north

    One foot in and one foot back
    But it don’t pay to live like that
    So I cut the ties and I jumped the tracks
    For never to return

  59. Timo says:

    On the bright side, my solyanka soup smells and tastes awesome.
    Wasn;t sure which recipe to pick but this one turned out to be outstanding.

  60. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    What are we going to see first: a Habs win or a MB press conference where he has to explain himself.

    Anyway, there are so many questions I would love to ask him but the one question that is killing me is why did they demote Carr? Can somebody explain this to me? What am I missing? He did exactly what he was supposed to do. I’m lost…

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Carr and Hudon should be up here, Ghetto I’m not as sure about. They may as well waive DSP and Pateryn already, clearly they don’t fit….. So frustrating.

      Why bring in DSP and not encourage him to play a heavy game on the 4 th line? I don’t feel he is a sure thing but the game he is being asked to play (rarely) is complete opposite of his strengths.

      Zero flexibility from this coach.

  61. Timo says:

    Some one called it 5-2. Do he/she get the wings?

  62. Luke says:

    Unrelated but this may be the perfect song

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbW08aKDoQ4

  63. Captain aHab says:

    This is really like a trainwreck now…I’m fascinated to see just how low they’ll go.

    —————-
    Prepare to be boarded!!

  64. Habeus Corpus says:

    joeblow: I’ve been reading you, as everybody else for a couple of days; I find you to be nothing but a bigot. I hope you will be barred from this site whoever the shites you are.

    Bring me the body!

  65. PK says:

    Looking at the standings, the Habs are potentially going to be amongst the bottom-feeders, soon.
    You know?
    Toronto, Buffalo and company.
    Well done MB.

  66. Forum Dog says:

    I don’t get the love for Barberio that has been shown the last few weeks. Guy has one very good performance against the B’s in the Winter Classic, but take that game away and he is -4 with 1 assist, 1 hit (yes, ONE HIT), 4 blocked shots and 5 SOG in 7 games. All while averaging something like 12 minutes/game. And this is the guy that made Tinordi expendable, and now prevents Pateryn from getting a legit look? Jeezus…..

    And where is the so-called chemistry that Therrien saw between ‘David and Chucky’. That line has looked awful since it was put together, and Therrien actually put Byron out there with them at one point this game.

    Meanwhile, Eller has been possibly the best MTL forward not named Gallagher for the last two games. He is clearly a centre. Put Galchenyuk on his wing and let these guys continue to work together. Put Desharnais back where he belongs, on the 3rd line with Fleischmann and Weise. Or just ditch Fleischmann altogether and call-up Hudon. Flash looked good to start the year, but he’s been invisible for about 2 months now and barely registered a pulse again tonight. I think he is cooked.

    If they are gonna keep muddling through this season, let’s at least see some of the near-ready prospects playing. Hudon is into his 3rd Pro season. Not much more he’s gonna learn at the AHL. Ditto for Andrighetto. I understand leaving McCarron down there, but he is exactly the type of forward they need for the RW, so I wouldn’t mind if the called him up too.

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      Name one blatant mistake Barberio has made since he has come up (and the guy is playing on his wrong side). He is not a hitter. He skates like the wind and moves the puck. He’s done a good job.

      Agree for the rest.

      • Forum Dog says:

        That’s the point. Why play a guy like that for 12 minutes a game when you could play Pateryn. A guy who does hit and brings a physical presence. What has Barberio really provided MTL with that they didn’t have already?

        I’m not really knocking Barberio, because you are right, he’s been steady enough. But I’ve seen it said – repeatedly – that he basically made Tinordi expendable. I have seen nothing in his play that suggests he is destined to be a fixture in MTL, and pairing him on his off-side with Beaulieu, and then overplaying Markov, makes little sense to me. My opinion counts for little, but I would much rather see Pateryn out there on the 3rd pairing with Beaulieu. I actually expect it in the next game, as Barberio has not looked as solid in his last couple of outings. Then again, maybe they will play Bartley and continue to leave Pateryn in press box.

        • The Swiftian Age says:

          Barberio has been more consistently good than all the D-men, save Emelin and Subban. And plus/minus is not a reliable stat to reference, especially when the team as a whole has been a big damn minus. Then again, I really do like Pateryn; maybe put him in and take out Markov. Put Nate with Subban, Pateryn with Petry; keep Emelin and Barberio together.

          Lilliput for the Lilliputians!

    • Luke says:

      With all due respect:

      Meanwhile, Eller has been possibly the best MTL forward not named Gallagher

      no.
      just no.
      AND I’m A damn Eller fan!

      • Forum Dog says:

        Okay, you right. The whole first line was very good against the Blues. But outside of Gallagher’s constant hustle, they did not look nearly as good tonight. So I guess what I’m saying is that, taking the two games together, Eller has been among MTL’s best forwards in terms of helping created sustained pressure in the offensive zone. Gallagher has been better for sure. Plekanec and Pacioretty were better against the Blues, no question. But from where I sat, Larry out competed both those latter two guys tonight by a country mile.

    • Phil C says:

      I don’t like Barberio on the right. He got beat to the outside on the 4th goal, not sure that happens on his natural side.

    • boing007 says:

      Bobby Dollas has been saying bring up the youth for years now.
      We have been urging the club to do it for years, but the players never seem to live up to Therrien’s exacting standards even when we think they are performing well.

      Richard R

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Technical point: this is Charles Hudon’s second AHL season, not his third, unlike Sven Andrighetto. Sven was drafted as a 19-year old and went pro right away, Charles as an 18-year old and spent two more seasons in the LHJMQ.

      http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=129714

      http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=143315

  67. brennan2 says:

    I kept wondering about the references to the Benny Hill theme song so I just watched it on you tube. I totally recognized it and it is so appropriate! It actually made me smile and laugh, which hasn’t happened lately regarding anything to do with our Habs. I would suggest everyone listen to it and enjoy feeling good for a change. Good night HIO. Hopefully better days ahead!

  68. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    You don’t hit the panic button until the Habs fall out of a playoff spot. If Pit wins tomorrow, that will be the case.

  69. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    Do your homework. The GM position was offered to Jim Nil first who refused due to family reasons. Molson had the right guy but lost him to bad timing.

  70. ProHabs says:

    How much longer can I take this? How much longer?


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