About last night …


At least it wasn’t Michael F. Ryder.
The last time the Bruins won Game 4 in Overtime at the Bell Centre to send a deadlocked series back to Boston, the hero was a former Canadien.
On April 21, 2011, Ryder beat Carey Price 1:59 into OT to give the hated visitors a 5-4 win.
Playing on home ice with a chance to take a 3-1 stranglehold in that quarterfinal series, the Canadiens blew leads of 1-0, 3-1 and – with a it over six minutes left in regulation – 4-3.
Thursday night’s Game 4 was a lot tighter.
Like soccer tight.

Bot teams were aware that Game 4 was pivotal.

Had the Bruins lost, they would have faced the daunting prospect of having to beat Carey Price three times to win the series.

Now they have to do it twice … and will have two games, if necessary, at TD Garden to do it.

Just to complete the history lesson, Boston won Game 5 of that 2011 series. Nathan Horton’s OT goal was the 51st shot Price faced in a 2-1 loss. Then after the Canadiens stayed alive with a 2-1 win at the Bell Centre in Game 6, Horton got another OT winner as game 7 ended 4-3.

Boston went on to win the Stanley Cup.

The Canadiens went on to finish last in the Eastern Conference in the 2011-’12 season.

Overtime hero Nathan Horton ended up in Columbus.

Matt Fraser, who tipped the puck past Price after a crazy bounce off the end glass, may end up back in the AHL next season. But how ironic was it that the OT hero who restored the Bruins’ home-ice advantage in this terrific series was recalled from a city called Providence.

The Rhode Island city takes its name from a word meaning divine guidance or care. Maybe Smith had the help of unseen powers while scoring the only goal of an excellent game.

God may or may not have been in the Bell Centre. But Gary Bettman was there, and the NHL commish watched a game that did credit to the league.

The Canadiens and Bruins stuck to hockey, as they have for most of the series. There were three minor penalties. The Canadiens took two of them and killed them both off, extending Boston’s playoff futility. The Bruins haven’t scored a power-play goal against the Canadiens in the postseason since 2009.

The winning goal could have been prettier. Had the Canadiens cashed regulation-time opportunities, however, Fraser would never have had the chance to poke that puck laying loose under Mike Weaver.

Tuukka Rask looked jittery early in the game. But the Boston goaltender settled down to deny Brian Gionta on a breakaway and snakebit Max Pacioretty on a shot from the faceoff circle. The Boston goaltender made 14 saves in the third period but faced no shots in the overtime.

While Price and Rask both excelled, neither goaltender had to make acrobatic saves or foil a lot of gilt-edged scoring chances. The Canadiens and Bruins played tight team D from the opening puck drop to the the siren that ended regulation time. There were few wide-open looks, fewer odd-man rushes.

Many second-guessers on Twitter and sports radio were lamenting the on-ice presence of Weaver and their favourite whipping boy, Douglas Murray, in Overtime.

But the Canadiens began OT with P.K. Subban and Josh Gorges. Weaver and Murray came on when Claude Julien deployed his third line. And the other Canadiens watching Fraser score were Lars Eller, Brian Gionta and Rene Bourque, who have been Therrien’s best line in the series.

Murray had six hits, to match Zdeno Chara, and blocked four shots in his 13:56 of ice time. On the TSN 690 postgame show, Conor McKenna called the big Swede the worst player in the NHL. Has the sportscaster forgotten Yannick Weber already?

I think Murray’s physical presence keeps the Bruins honest. I’d keep him in the lineup for Game 5, but Michel Therrien may fear the match-ups Claude Julien can concoct with last change in Boston.

I didn’t think any Canadien – or any Bruin, for that matter – played poorly in Game 4. 

The Canadiens’ big guns have fallen silent. Max Pacioretty had one shot on goal. Thomas Vanek none.

Michäel Bournival continues to impress and had four SoG. I love the kid and he’s going to be a good player, but you have to think the Canadiens would be more dangerous if Alex Galchenyuk were playing left wing with Vanek and Tomas Plekanec.

Pacioretty is way overdue for a goal. And I wish he’d be more physical, especially against Boston. But the guy scored 39 times during the regular season, and maybe all Max needs is a greasy one to get going on one of his hot streaks.

I’ll go way out on a limb here and predict Pacioretty outscores Boston’s OT hero in this series.

For one long night, however, Matt F. Fraser was Michael F. Ryder.







  1. New says:

    Didn’t like seeing another close one go down the tubes but Fraser scored a goal through hard work, no quit, and no foul.

    The comeback team this series has been the Bruins. Not only in goals but games.

    Just noticed that Vanek, DD, and Max only score on the powerplay in the playoffs and Eller’s point a game tally is all at regular strength or shorthanded.

    Depth and matchups are what wins. The whole series could come down to the team that ices the puck the most loses.

  2. Say Ash says:

    The Leafs playing France on TSN

  3. HabinBurlington says:

    In other hockey news, Damien Cox of the T.O. Star looks back at the Rick Nash trade to New York from Columbus.


  4. 24 Cups says:

    Dipsy D – Re Subban & Gorges (below) Here’s the thing with Subban – he screws up the simple, easy plays which creates unnecessary turnovers. Especially when there is no pressure on him whatsoever. He also looks like a fool when he misses his ‘back to the play’ gliding hip checks or his semi-circle turns with the puck as he advances up the ice. Keep those plays SIMPLE, leave the superstar stuff for legit scoring opportunities. As I stated in my original post, Gorges was the best Hab skater last night. Maybe his best games in two years.

    24.4 Cups

    • CH Marshall says:

      Its exasperating now, not just because we’re in the Playoffs. When he makes the simple plays, it hlps the team so much because he’s ahead of the curve.

  5. Max says:

    Best of 3 starting tomorrow night in Boston.I like our chances.Anything can happen and getting that first goal is key.

    The Bruins are a differenct team when playing from behind and they expose more defensive weaknesses for our forwards to capitalize on.

    Price has to be top hat once again and the top line need to wake up a bit.Tied at 2 with the President’s Cup champions and Stanley Cup favourites.Not bad,not bad at all.

  6. shiram says:

    The series is tied 2-2 and there is still room for the Habs to improve and play better.

  7. ooder says:

    man yesterday was a crappy loss, but one thing that really irked me, is the way people reacted to commandant’s post. unlike robert rice (who got ridiculously insufferable since leaving) and berkshire (who has always been a d!ck), commanadt’s posts dont insult anybody but try to give us a different way to look at the game (from a stats perspective).

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      Agreed. Commandant is one of the more interesting contributors here.

      Moving. Forward.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        He is excellent, even though I at times may disagree with him. And in person he is also a gentleman.

      • New says:

        I don’t think it matters what you write or indicate, eventually you’ll find someone with a bone to pick. Maybe there is a stat for that: frequency of posts divided by rudeness 🙂 But sometimes it is simply because the poster wrote something you didn’t want to believe but already did on some level.

        Anyway Commandant is fine. He does a lot more fact checking than most of us.

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      Agreed. I wouldn’t want to lose this guy. He contributes much.

    • Hobie says:

      I didn’t see his post. I do love the guy.

      • Mr_MacDougall says:

        He showed how terrible Murray-Weaver CORSI was.. 7% I think.. While our other two pairings were at approx 50%

        ~~ Plekanec at the Disco ~~

        • Hobie says:

          It’s all in the delivery. He’s a nice guy, he isn’t hosting a radio show trying to get callers to call in by making ridiculous statements. I don’t really think Murray or Weaver’s Corsi matters. They are defensive guys.

          If you can get six guys on defence who are producing shot after shot in the other teams end all game you’ll end up with 60 shots a night every night. That would be great.

          unfortunately that’s not possible. You need guys like Murray and Weaver to give the studs a rest, play steady, and add some elements to the game that the studs don’t always have.

          • Mr_MacDougall says:

            I’m not saying I validate the perceived meaning or interpretation of those kind of stats, because I don’t. I don’t even think goals and assists tell you much… Other than how opportunistic a player is… Huge differences in stats can tell a story.. Obviosly a 35 goal scorer is more valuable than an 8 goal scorer.. But stats can not differentiate between a 35 goal man and a 27 goal man.

            ~~ Plekanec at the Disco ~~

    • Mr_MacDougall says:

      I don’t discredit people for their posts. Most times stats are completely irrelevant. In the case of Commandant last night I think his CORSI evidence does tell a story. However, the only reason I say this is because there was such a huge difference in that defence pairing.

      There is one thing that the stats do not tell, Boston took major risks against the Weaver-Murray D pairing, pinching the D 100% of the time to maintain O zone time. The Boston strategy had a lot to do with their awful possession numbers.

      Having spent tens of thousands of dollars on a mathematical education, I can tell people unequivocally that hockey statistics are flawed, terribly flawed.

      ~~ Plekanec at the Disco ~~

      • ooder says:

        oh i agree with you 110% that stats don’t tell the whole story, and people who swear by him are as just as stubborn as people who refuse to accept their existence. They are just aprt of a picture.
        my beef is with how people discredited him and were generally rude to him, although none of his posts attacked nayone

      • Chris says:

        The fact that Boston was taking major risks can be attributed to the personnel they are facing. When Murray and Weaver were on, the Bruins were trying to force turnovers because they know they aren’t likely to get beat by a clever pass out of the zone to a streaking forward.

        With Markov-Emelin or Subban-Gorges, there is at least one guy on each pairing who can burn you badly for pinching your defencemen.

        This goes into the puck possession numbers, but it also goes into what our eyes tell us. When you’ve got slow defencemen, they are more often than not chasing the play.

        In Montreal’s case, they tend to pinch a lot more when Chara is not on the ice. In that case, they aren’t facing quite the size mismatch and they can try to exploit mistakes by relatively inexperienced players like Krug and especially Bartkowski.

        Both teams are trying to exploit match-ups. I’m not crazy about Murray because I disagree that his crowd-pleasing hits make up for the rest of the things that he doesn’t do as well. But he honestly has not hurt the team in either of his two games.

        • Mr_MacDougall says:

          I agree, take risks against the less risky opponent. Makes sense, smart coaching.

          ~~ Plekanec at the Disco ~~

        • Mr_MacDougall says:

          Also, why would the b’s dump it into Murray’s corner over and over? Those things do not happen by accident. The only way I’d have Murray in would be as a 7th D (which I would almost never do) in a series with loads of penalties and use him on the PK, he is actually a dam good penalty killer.

          ~~ Plekanec at the Disco ~~

    • BJ says:

      Commandant is a pillar here. So what if people disagree sometimes, thats what makes it interesting.

    • habsguru says:

      i like when Murray Corsi’d Thornton

    • Chris says:

      It happens. I used to avoid the live blogs like the plague, especially if the Habs lose, because people just get all hopped up and angry.

      The internet is a wonderful thing, but it sure does bring out people’s anger and righteous indignation, not to mention their inherent nature to form cliques. Basically, it is like being back in Grade 6 all over the game, but the other kids are all drunk to boot. 🙂

      • Mr_MacDougall says:

        Kids are very similar to drunk adults.. That’s why I only drank from 17-25 years old.. Well I do on occasion now, but keep it to a controlled amount.. There are some amazing galleries online that compare drunk adults to children, I’d post a link but can’t seem to find one ATM.

        ~~ Plekanec at the Disco ~~

  8. FlyAngler says:

    The Briere bashers need to do a review of the Habs playoff games to date where they will find that he has set up 3 game winning goals in 8 games which is pretty damn impressive given his limited playing time. We all know that he is small and in his late 30s and not as fast as he used to be- but he has made a much bigger contribution in the playoffs this year than some of the teams “big guns”

    It is a player like Daniel Briere who has the ability to make the play that will win you a hockey game and maybe a series- more so than most all of the forwards in the Habs lineup even at this latter point in his career.

    I am staying very positive about this series. In game 5, the pressure is on the Bruins to “hold service” if you will. I came across these interesting stats regarding Mr. Rask in this year’s playoffs.

    Games: Home- 5 Road- 4
    Goals against: Home- 11 Road- 5
    GA average: Home- 2.05 Road- 1.19
    Save % Home- .928 Road- .958
    W/L Home- 3-2 Road- 3-1
    Shutouts Home- 0 Road- 2


    “Elever le flambeau!…Raise the Torch!”

  9. Sportfan says:

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  10. Storman says:

    What a game, What a series, Playoff hockey,, really just no comparison when it comes to compete level with regular season.

    Ken Dryden “The Game” really breaks down how hockey can be such a game of inches, Bergeron’s bouncy ball goal, and again last night puck bounces off glass then hopes over sticks to pop out right in front of net.

    Boston has a very high will to win ,, battled tested and perfected through the last 5 years,,

    Montreal will need their core to step up Big Time,, Need that will to win, you need to have the desire as a team to reach your full potential,, Boston does not hope to win , they go out and try and take victory every night every period, we will see what our Habs are made of now, MT still has players he does not trust,ie. Briere, which usually means we are still a couple of pieces away,,We will need some strong performances from our leaders, and maybe a bounce or two,, GO HABS GO.. Damn nothing better than Bruins Canadiens in the spring..

  11. Hobie says:

    Conor McKenna is in love with Andrew Berkshire, Jim Corsi and wishes the NHL would turn into soccer on ice. I used to like listening to the guy, he is bright, articulate and is a genuine nice fellow.

    The second he’s on a show on TSN690 alone, he turns it into a big bitch fest about fighting, hits and any part of the game where a pipsqueak like himself would get crushed in. The moment a real hockey guy comes on the air like Sergio Momesso, Bobby Dollas or Chris Nilan, Mckenna changes his tune real quick.

    If Murray makes a couple mistakes in his own end but atones for it by nailing opposing players, blocking shots on the PK, holding the puck in the opposing end, McKenna goes right back to the puck hoping over his stick. You could have Michel Therrien, Pierre leBrun, Bob McKenzie, Aaron Ward all complementing and saying a guy like Murray should be in the lineup and then have Mckenna and Berkshire enjoy a little love fest with each other on Twitter or the radio saying they’re all wrong because his Corsi says so…

    When I hear Mckenna on TSN690, hosting a show alone or with someone who won’t tell him how wrong he is…I flip it off because he’s a moron. Murray plays five solid games in a row, makes one mistake (he didn’t last night), Mckenna froths at the mouth and jumps all over it.

    • JUST ME says:

      I have never liked the guy. He is negative and always looks first for a guilty party a bit like Marinaro. His comments about Murray were soooo predictable but also so amateurish. Many posters flooded HIO after the loss yesterday with the same view. Those posters never show here in any other situation , that tells you a lot about McKenna ! They say that they have no choice and have to do a show but this is such a B.S explanation. Montreal`s media blame every other city to be homers and to make sure that they are not compared to them the choose the negative side. For TSN to name itself the home of the Habs is to pretend that the habs like to come back home every night. …Not that sure but there ain`t that many english radio stations to chose from in MTL either …

  12. 24 Cups says:

    It’s pretty easy for Hab fans to blame last night’s loss on the Weaver/Murray pairing. Any specific weakness in an 0-0 overtime game is fairly obvious. Of course I would say the same thing about Matt Bartkowski and all his dumb penalties.

    There were two reasons Montreal lost last night’s game – an untimely, unlucky bounce of the puck and the fact the team couldn’t score even one goal in regulation. Which begs the question, does DD ever shoot the puck or is he suffering from Gomezchitis? Not to mention that both DD and Briere skate around the ice with the prime objective being not to get hit by a Bruin.

    As for the 3rd pairing, I think Murray’s inability to skate at even an AHL level puts enormous pressure on Mike Weaver. Especially when you consider that Weaver himself is basically a decent depth defenseman who is a 6th man at best. The other four defensemen all come with weaknesses but they also have the ability to overcome those weaknesses. Any combination of Weaver/Murray/Bouillon isn’t able to do so which means the puck is in Montreal’s end for the entire shift. Obviously management feels the kids aren’t ready (Pateryn just re-signed for two years) so it’s a flip of a coin between Bouillon and Murray. I can live with that fact of life as long as Hab management realizes neither Dman can return next season. Out of the three, only Weaver should be extended a contract.

    Any chance of Montreal being this year’s Cinderella team may have vanished with the past two heartbreaking loses to Boston in games two and four. Only the big guns up front can save them now. Their inability to score has been just as detrimental as any limitations a 3rd defensive pairing may have exhibited last night.

    24.4 Cups

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Concur Steve, end of the day, we need to score goals and last night we failed at that.

    • BJ says:

      Boston is not exactly filling the net either. Series is still there for the taking. If you can’t win in the others arena you don’t deserve to move on.

    • JUST ME says:

      Do not think that there is that much to analyze about the game yesterday and the win would go either way for no reason really . It was a team effort,a team loss, a team win. Great game ,very entertaining with two thrilling team efforts and an ever so epic duel.

  13. habs-fan-84 says:

    I think it’s safe to assume Bouillon will be back in the lineup as Julien has last change in Boston. Looking forward to Game 5!

  14. 24AW says:

    Habs has done great so far but you can’t keep leaving the door open, eventually they are going to get burnt and unfortunately it’s going to be the end to a series they should have won.

  15. Rossy says:

    With Bournival showing so much promise last night, is it time to call it even? They got McDonough, we got Gomez BUT they got O’Byrne and we got Bournival.

    • Storman says:

      Bournival trade was with Colorado, had nothing to do with NY Rangers trade and Gainey having a complete lack of hockey talent judgment in including a stud first rounder in McDonagh for a hockey dead talent in Gomez. From what i here from my friends at University of Wisconsin,,Timmins pleaded with Gainey not to include McDonagh in that complete debacle of a trade.

    • 24 Cups says:

      I can see both sides of the issue. The true value is probably somewhere in the middle.

      As for Colorado, they probably lost the series due to the injuries to Barrie and Duchene. A team that was playing above their heads all year long couldn’t afford to lose two valuable pieces like that (even though they did play a few games).

      I haven’t checked any stats but my eyes tell me this in terms of the Hab/Bruin series so far.

      Game 1 – Boston dominates the game yet Price wins it.
      Game 2- Boston once again dominates the game and is able to win it as Montreal implodes during a ten minutes brain fart stretch.
      Game 3 – Montreal plays one of it’s best games of the season to get the much deserved win.
      Game 4 – Class nail biter where lady luck and Rask outduel Price and the scoreless Habs.

      24.4 Cups

      • Luke says:

        Yup. I agree. The use of analytics is a must for any team that wishes to be successful. And you are right, the value is in the middle. This discussion is oddly polarizing, and I can’t figure out the reason. I’m by no means a devotee, but I’d never dismiss it.

        I’m not sure why hockey people/fans are afraid of it, but in every business in every industry on the planet, they use analytics.

        But for some reason, to use numbers to breakdown on-ice performance and look for meaningful trends is pooped on.

        Personally, I think it’s a kick back against changing the way you evaluate a player. 25 years ago it was “This guy sucks. Look at how bad he is!” now it’s “This guy sucks. Here are stats to prove it…” and that seems to frighten folks. People fear change, especially to things they developed a passionate bond to as children.

        It kind of falls into this:

        “That’s the way we’ve always done it,” a phrase that cripples our imaginations and limits our potential.

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      Read the article and there’s really nothing new,

      The end says it all

      “You can get bogged down in stats and analytics,” Bowman said. “That’s the concern, it’s still a dynamic game, there’s still an awful lot happening. It’s a quick, reactive game. It’s different than some other sports that are a little more static. So there might be a limit to how much you can use analytics. They don’t replace anything for us. But they do complement and supplement.”

      No, the game itself is still about scoring goals and preventing goals. It’s about quick hands and lethal wrist shots. It’s about maintaining a good defensive gap and blocking shots. And it’s still about reading teammates and building chemistry and all those other intangibles that don’t show up in the spreadsheets on Bowman’s laptop.

      But the numbers tell a story, too. You just have to know how to read them.

  16. habsfan0 says:

    Is there any chance of Galchenyuk returning before the end of the series? Habs could sure use him.

  17. Kooch7800 says:

    Close game and both teams and goalies played well. Could have went either way. Habs won’t be hanging their heads. I don’t think anyone here realistically saw this being a short series.

    These teams are pretty evenly matched. The winner will be the team who gets their top lines going first. Right now the vast majority of our chances are from the Eller, Gio and Bourque line. We need our top guys to start getting some chances.

    Can’t blame Murray on the goal either. Funny bounce and Price also looked the wrong way. Just a fluke. Murray was good down low but def is not a fast skater but his physical presence is needed. Hopefully this can be Tinordi in a year or two. Tinordi is much more mobile. He just needs to think the game a little quicker which will come.

    We have a series boys and girls and don’t give up on the habs yet. They have just as good of shot in winning

  18. Ozmodiar says:

    Win or lose, one good thing about this little playoff run is that MB is getting a good look at his team.

  19. Stanley Cup or Bust ! says:

    After rewatching the goal I see Weaver swimming around. Why is Murray the scapegoat ?
    But it’s MT’s fault, I know.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      the entire thing was a fluke. I wouldn’t over analyze it. Just a weird bounce. The way the game was going it was the only way it would end

      • frontenac1 says:

        Agreed Kootch. Some guys just hate Murray and look for any excuse to crap on him. I thought the whole team played well. Guess what? Shots were pretty even,hits were pretty even, face off wins were pretty even and the first goal was a flukey one in OT.
        I like that the Habs are playing better with each game.Habs in 6.

    • habs-fan-84 says:

      Weaver also saved a goal earlier in the game. This non-sense of looking for a scapegoat on a completely flukey plays drives me up the wall.

  20. habsfan0 says:

    I really believe Patches is injured which explains his lack of production and why MT has decided to place Vanek on another line.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      We miss Chucky too be honest. That kid is a gamer and he has the hands to finish.

    • Luke says:

      He took a really hard shot from Chara against the boards in the first game. I believe his head got caught between the lunk’s shoulder and the glass, similar to the shot last night.

      He’s been beaten up all playoffs, and I do think you are right.

      I also think Vanek is injured.
      He seems so hesitant to shoot…

      (Maybe I’m just making excuses for them, I dunno).

    • Flanelette says:

      I don’t believe that.
      When did he get injured?
      He’s always been a peripheral floater with a nice shot who needs a good feed. Unfortunately Desharnais is looking like the DD of october past..

  21. I just heard the funniest thing in TSN690

    How do they get Pacioretty going…….have a one on one session with Rene Bourque

    Oh man that’s gold Jerry!

    Shane Oliver
    A Little fun during the Intermission
    Brandon Predators

  22. therealrocky says:

    Am I the only one who thinks there is something special with this teams and that they will bounce back and win game 5?

  23. knob says:

    New lines:
    Vanek-Eller-Bourque (Gionta hustles but they need a passer)
    D stays the same
    I know that I will get ripped for suggesting Bournival to the 4th line however, I think that Briere is a better offensive player (Bournival is rushing his shots). Briere is also a proven player.
    The 4th line will still create havoc for Boston and get some good chances.

  24. Stanley Cup or Bust ! says:

    Is it safe to change the tires ?

  25. JF says:

    This series is uneasily reminiscent of the one three years ago. All the games are tight, both teams are playing well defensively, both have scored an equal number of goals (I believe the Bruins finished with one more goal than we did last time), two games so far have gone to OT (last time it was three).

    But the key similarity for me is the fact that, as was the case three years ago, we have been the better team on the powerplay while the Bruins have been better at even strength. And this similarity is ominous. It was the Bruins’ even-strength play that won the series for them last time. If we’re to avoid the same result this year, we absolutely have to get more five-on-five scoring. We can all see the pattern the officiating is taking; the refs are letting just about everything go, which means we’re unlikely to get many powerplay opportunities.

    Neither team’s top line has contributed much so far. If we can somehow get ours going while keeping Krejci and co. muzzled, we could still win. Otherwise I’m afraid we’re likely to see a repeat of 2011.

  26. Ozmodiar says:

    Well, my Habs in 5 prediction went out the window last night.

    Updated prediction: I’ll pull my hair out.

    My general feeling is that the Habs have squandered opportunities to put these guys down, and you can’t really do that when you’re playing against the top team in the league.

  27. Strummer says:

    When the Hawks won their Cup in 2010, Scotty Bowman remarked to one of the reporters about how Hawks were successful because they employed puck-moving defensmen.

    Looked up “puck-moving defenseman” in the dictionary and I didn’t see Douglas Murray’s picture there.

    “You are not T.J. Oshie. Do not shoot pucks at people without a helmet.”.

  28. 24 Cups says:

    An interesting article that may also pertain to the Habs and coach Therrien. Outside of the usual Guy Boucher refrain, who else is out there right now that would be better? And would Boucher even be considered if he wasn’t French-Canadien? I can’t see many issues in terms of Therrien’s coaching. He’s done a good job.


    24.4 Cups

    • Ian Cobb says:

      Steve! You will soon have to change your avatar to, 25 cups my friend. By next year for sure.!

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      Cox is a bit of a sycophant.

      Yes, Damien, there are better coaches than Randy Carlyle.

      But even if the Leafs didn’t want to be hasty – why give him 3 years? Extend him for one and if he doesn’t like it, speak to Trotz or Muller.

      Moving. Forward.

      • Strummer says:

        MLS&E is worth over $1 billion.
        They paid $100 million for 2 footballers.
        Carlyles’s contract is lunch money in comparison.

        “You are not T.J. Oshie. Do not shoot pucks at people without a helmet.”.

    • Strummer says:

      Coaches can only play with the hand they are dealt with.
      Also it’s easy to extend coaches contracts because thay don’t affect your salary cap and you can dump them at any time.
      For an organizatiion like MLS&E it’s only money.
      Carlyle is probably on a short leash.

      “You are not T.J. Oshie. Do not shoot pucks at people without a helmet.”.

  29. If there is one team in the NHL you don’t give extra games to it’s the Boston Bruins.

    FYI I could have stopped 95% of the shots that were directed on Rask. Where are the tips they practiced? Where’s the shots that make Rask show us why he was nominated for Vezina (pfft)? Where are the bodies going to the net? I saw one offensive draw where I swear my 14 year old would have gotten to the net with more ferocity than half our front line guys.

    Why on earth would the Habs play a safe perimeter game in game where they could have done anything they wanted because they were in the driver’s seat.

    Get those feet moving draw REAL penalties, and let’s go. Play gm 5 like it was gm 1-3.

    Boston played like crap last night….in fact they played just like the Habs, and the Habs didn’t take advantage of it and then the lucky bounce went their way, and that’s playoff memories.

    Vanek needs to be set up (Bournival is shooting way too much warming up Rask), and Max needs to get his play up to playoff level.

    Best of Three now, Bruins suck, they showed me nothing that they are the better team.



    Shane Oliver
    A Little fun during the Intermission
    Brandon Predators

  30. Hobie says:

    I’m glad I didn’t see the goal live last night lol. I would have tossed a glass against the wall! I was doing a quick tidy up, dumping the garbage and recycling down the chutes before coming back through the door to see the 3 stars. I was like”WTF!” What a cheap and lucky goal.


    We’ve got ourselves a series. The Bruins, they’re not so big and bad anymore! Seriously, the Habs are bigger than before, more gritty and actually hit back now, hard. Boston is unable to grab the momentum and send the Habs back on their heels by smacking them around all night. Thank you Douglas Murray for destroying Shawn Thornton last night and knocking a bunch of other Bruins flat on their butts.

    It’s going to be a heck of a game in Boston on Saturday. It’s the best of three now and I give us a 50/50 shot. Before the series started I’d say Boston was the favourite but after seeing the first four games, the teams are dead even.

    Flip a coin and hope we come out on top!

  31. frontenac1 says:

    Hola Amigos! What a game! Ya just knew it was going to be won by a flukey bounce eh? The Habs are playing better with each game. Habs in 6. Saludos!

  32. habs-fan-84 says:

    I had a bad feeling after watching Gionta accidentally snub Ginette Reno. Also, my wife moved my Habs jerseys, which had been sitting in the exact same spot since the day after beating the Leafs on March 22nd.

    I don’t know what to do now?

  33. 24 Cups says:

    The latest from Grantland.


    BTW, I thought Montreal’s best skater last night was Josh Gorges. I know I sometimes get on his back but he was fabulous in very capacity. Gorges also covers up the careless mistakes that Subban still keeps repeating.

    24.4 Cups

  34. Stanley Cup or Bust ! says:

    We win as a team. We lose as a team.
    Will MT affect changes for the next game and be bold in doing so. Hopefully.
    Suivant Next
    Go Habs Go!

  35. habkin says:

    I hope I do not sound like a broken record:) Some Hab fans think we should be up 3-1 and I am sure the Brooins fans are saying the same thing. I believe MT should tinker and inject new life into the line up. Keep things fresh. Gally’s injury must be worse than we thought:( These two teams are so good that home ice advantage does not mean very much. GHG

    • Bim says:

      Here’s one for you…”if” they take out Doug Murray next game how about replacing him with Nathan Beaulieu? That would take away any notion Boston would have about keying on Subban and would give Habs two guys back there to rush the puck. This would not be the first time Montreal has promoted a rookie at playoff time dating back to the days of Ken Dryden, Terry Harper, Jacques Laperierre etc. All turned out as stars. I would go for it. I believe I even saw Beaulieu out for the warm up last nite. Next time leave him in.

  36. 123456 says:

    Too much negativity and it’s the reason I do not really like to read the posts come playoff time. BUT I need to share my view……

    The only b!tching I’ll do is that Murry was weak on the OT goal – but blame the loss on the D when they gave up ZERO goals in regulation….. I can’t do that. I really like Gio – from my hometown, a super nice guy….. he made a few blunders in the first period – twice iced the puck on poor plays….. did it cost them the game…no… but come on, poor decisions are exactly why vet’s play in the playoffs over kids.

    Now for the good stuff. Very even game last night – I though Bruins had a couple more chances than the Habs but it was even. Habs have generally been outplayed in the series but each game less so – thus to be tied 2-2 after 4 games is not a bad thing… And we have seen the Habs can stay with the Bruins and gosh darnit they can even beat them. Bruins got a break on a bad bounce last night – maybe the next break will go the Habs way.

    So the series is tied 2-2 and all I hear is the top line sucks hairy monkey balls… well maybe the top line turns it around and gets 2 or 3 goals next game….. The positive outlook is the Habs can and most likely will play better. We all know the Habs are a faster team. We all know the Bruins play a momentum game…they score in bunches. We all knew there was no way the series would be over in 4 or 5 games….. Oh and the Habs made better improvements at the trade deadline so compared to the best overall team in the league I think the Habs match up well.

    It’s a three game series and if you asked my on 1/1/2014, if I’d take the current situation my favorite team is in – I’d say you better f______ believe it I would. In fact, I may have kissed those previously mentioned hairy monkey balls to get here.

  37. adamkennelly says:

    Bournival played awesome – best F on the ice for either team.

    Vanek doesn’t skate hard enough to create chances or draw penalties.

    Murray does look terrible when he’s running around chasing and icing pucks but he is needed back there. MT needs to do a better job managing when he plays – which should not be in the first 1:19 of OT – when chances are good something will go down.

    that games was fun to watch but sucked – zero goal celebrations – that ain’t cool.

  38. Bim says:

    It was an amazing game last nite. Too bad the wrong team won. Bruins are a very good team and as the old saying goes..you have to be good to be lucky and they were. Unexpectedly Habs have been right there with Boston and I think they punished them last nite. People rag on Doug Murray but I love the way he plays. You may have noticed that when ever he slams one of his victims against the boards that no one challenges him or even looks his way after. They just skate away. Other than being slow I think they should leave him in. Boston knows he’s on the ice. Vanek and Patches are key for Habs. They need to score now or its over. In Boston would be a good time to start.

  39. Ian Cobb says:

    We are being treated to some fine hockey this spring folks. By both teams, tough for me to be giving the Neanderthals any credit!!.
    Pictures and comments

  40. wildwilly says:

    I think they need to reunite Vanek with DD and Pacioretty. You should stick to the lines that worked in the regular season.

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      I tend to agree. They either bring it or not.

    • 123456 says:

      2 Things:

      1) I agree but do it situationally. I like Vanek with Pleks but Bournival is not quite ready for top 6 duties. He got into the right places last night but there is not finish in him yet. So put Vanek back on top line but I for one do not mind the shuffling.

      2) any chance you are wildwilly from ODY or Nisssan sites?

  41. huge_polar_bear says:

    Excellent game last night, the outcome not so excellent. As this headache attests, much beer was consumed last night. So to lighten things up here is a little song about Canada, the US and beer.


    Enjoy responsibly and all that good stuff… my responsability may have gone out the window or down the drain… Go Habs Go… wait not so loud.

  42. Flanelette says:

    A few observations:
    1-Close game yesterday could have gone one way or the other which underlines the fact that the series was lost in game 2 with that lack of killer instinct at 3-1.
    2-Speaking of lack of instinct and desire to win: Pacioretty becomes even more invisible after the Igginla hit instead of getting mad. He is the ultimate periphery player. Good thing he is cheap but I doubt he can become a complete player: not hungry enough.
    3-Vanek is Minny bound: Not much to keep him here seeing Pacioretty and Desharnais (both very uninfluencial). Playing with Plekanec? Hum…
    4-Very nice surprise: Eller, Bournival.
    5-Gionta is a leader.
    6-Brière wa signed for the playoffs…that’s not working out. A bad signing amongst a lot of very good GM moves.
    7-Boston played a very good defensive game, near perfect. Rask was good but saw pretty much everything.

  43. Marc10 says:

    I won’t panic, as in spite of not scoring 5 on 5, a silent first line, and an average defensive corp, our boys are hanging with and sometimes flat out outplaying the team that finished on top of the league.

    Think about it. No Prust, no Chucky, Patches and DD in cryo, a couple of old tiny guys up front, the slowest skater in the league, and we’re taking it to Bruins. I mean that’s just crazy. I’d put them at even money to win Saturday. Nuts I tell ya…

    This team has proven doubters wrong all year. They just like to make things interesting. This is another one of those times. I’m not going to bet against them. PK and Price are going to drag this mob into the third round. Watch them do it. It’s their time. That’s what champions do… And these guys have a gold medal to prove it.

    But just to be sure… I’m going to break out my aboriginal soundtrack for Game 3 and I’ll summon the ghosts to Boston. Go Habs Go!

    • JF says:

      Good post. It’s easy to be negative after a loss, but the fact that we’re able to hang with the Bruins is pretty amazing. If our top line could just pot a couple, the series could be ours.

  44. piter says:

    Right from the beginning of the game, we looked a step behind. I was hoping, but kind of had a feeling that we weren’t going to win. Bournival is fast, but doesn’t have much offensive prowess. One play sticks out from the rest, I think it was his last scoring chance. He took the shot on net, but had Vanek alone to the right, tapping his stick. He still was tapping his stick after the shot on net, hard enough for Bourney to hear, and hopefully realize, that Vanek knew he had a better chance to score. Vanek seemed frustrated to not get the pass. If Bourney only looked around, instead of just shooting with no net presence. During the game, he one-timed a pass that he could’ve walked in with, and delayed a one-timer that if he rushed, had lots of open net to shoot at. I guess Therrien has preached defence so much, he’s turned into a bundle of nerves. He didn’t want to mess up on his coverage, so he shoots the puck
    without looking around and skates away. Bournival is fast, and is hard on the puck, but once he has the puck, doesn’t know what to do with it. I think he’s been on the plugging line so long, he’s lost some of his puck sense. By no means is this suppose to be a shot at Bourney, I just noticed that he didn’t make the best choices with the puck last night. Hopefully next season there will be a spot on the 3rd line for Bournival, he’s not 4th line material, he’s not a crash and bang player. On another note, its unfortunate we don’t have enough big, physical players who can hit. It’s unfortunate because with our lack of big players who hit, we all seem to favor Murray as our 7th dman, just because he is physical. I don’t think this is a good tradeoff, having Murray in just because he hits. Do we really need Murrays 6 or 7 hits a game? There is a reason why he’s only signing 1 year deals, and always on the UFA list at the end of each season. We need to play him more or less just for penalty killing. We started the game last night with absolutely no urgency, and this has to change if we want a chance to win the series. I’m sure if we get by Boston, Murray probably won’t play another game/series, his spot likely to be taken by the Cube. We will take it to Boston in game 5. We’ll come back home up 3-2 and win game 6 at home. Did Gionta’s snub of Ginette Reno’s handshake play a part in the outcome of last nights game? I know it wasn’t on purpose, as he blocked the view of Reno with his arm while he was cleaning his visor, but in the other games he shook her hand after she was done. Just food for thought. Sorry my post is kinda all over the place, I’ve tried to make my points while trying to hurry so I can leave for work. Go Habs Go!!!!Habs in 6.

  45. davecessna says:

    So everyone is convinced the Bruins are going to steamroll us? You are the worst fans on the planet.

  46. Old Bald Bird says:

    A team grows by incremental steps. I sense that the boys are pleased to have made the playoffs and to be playing well. I think they will be more or less content even if they lose. Not so with Boston.

    Personally, I feel almost the same way. Was very disappointed to see that goal go in, though.

    Murray or Boullion? What does it matter? Each brings his own problems and vulnerabilities.

    • BobbySmithWasClutch says:

      Good points, but is part of our problem that we are probably content with losing this round? I never hear Bergevin or Therrien talk about the goal of winning the Cup. They try to set the bar lower than it should be set.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Sorry OBB I can’t agree with this. You may be right about many fans but to say the players are now content with their performance thus far is a reach. This team is playing as if believes it can win every game. Some of our best players just need to step up and be our best players. CHeers.

      • Old Bald Bird says:

        When I read some of the post game statements, I feel that they are proud of what they have accomplished so far. I agree, however, when you say “This team is playing as if believes it can win every game.” I think when all is done, however, they will see the season as a success. I don’t think the other team will unless they win the cup.

  47. Maritime Ronn says:

    Some talk below about inserting either Tinordi or Beaulieu for Game 5.

    While no one knows what Coach Therrien will decide, that could be very dangerous for several reasons.

    Practice is practice – and cannot be compared to playing a tough playoff Game 5 in Boston.

    Tinordi has not played an NHL game since April 9th.
    Beaulieu has not played an NHL game also since April 9th, and his last NHL game before that was February 8th.
    Beaulieu played his last AHL game for Hamilton on April 19th.

    Beaulieu has never played in an NHL playoff game, while Tinordi has only 5 under his belt from last year.

    Perhaps if both had just finished several rounds of AHL playoffs that could be an option, yet tossing them into a Game 5 against Boston in Boston – and not having played a real game in almost a month, could do more harm than good in the long term if they get burned and/or exposed.

    • Paz says:

      Unless there’s an injury I would say there is no chance we see either of them in this series.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Morning Ronn and Ed. The team had all season to assimilate either Beaulieu or Tinordi into the NHL. Even with a playoff position solidly locked up it still didn’t provide the insensitive to get these guys more NHL time.

      The argument against it here was that neither were ready and patience was the best course. That’s probably the argument which won the day in the Hab’s development heads. Giving either of these two playing time now would be disastrous and show a weather vane (going with the wind) mentality.

      Its easy to second guess though. My biggest second guess last night was would you send out Murray so early in Overtime last night? A rested PK, Markov, Gorges, and Emelin were all much better options. That’s my Monday morning quarterbacking question of the day.

      • Paz says:

        Excellent points Jim. Agree with all.

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        Hi Jim

        I guess we’ll never know how a Beaulieu-Tinordi would have worked out, yet here is GM Bergevin’s philosophy:

        ” ….Because what we are building, we are building on a strong foundation. We are building for long term.

        I’ve never seen a young guy being brought up too late on an NHL team.
        But I’ve often seen very good young players being brought up too soon and wasting their talent and their career.
        I’m hoping that our fans understand that.”

      • Old Bald Bird says:

        Yes, they are taking the long view. In the short term, however, it may be hurting us.

  48. JF says:

    I thought after Game two that we were in trouble – not because we blew the lead, but because of where our goals were coming from. Through the first two games, four of our seven goals were on the powerplay, and René Bourque was the only forward with an even-strength goal. The other two were scored by Bouillon and Weaver. It seemed obvious that the powerplay could not remain at 40%, also that the Bruins would be more disciplined next game. And so it proved; we’ve had two powerplays in the last two games. They’ve had only one more than that. But, when the game turns on a lucky bounce, it’s more likely to go their way than ours because the puck is in our end far more than theirs. They’re the better team five-on-five.

    If we’re to win this series, our big guns need to get firing. Desharnais, Pacioretty, and Vanek have one even-strength goal among them in these playoffs. For a line that carried the team in the latter stages of the season, this is not nearly good enough.

    The positives about last night for me were that we did not seem as over-matched physically as usual against the Bruins and that we played a much better third period.

    • Mike Boone says:

      Totally agree

      Mike Boone
      Hockey Inside/Out blogger

    • Paz says:

      Vanek really is not playing well. He had a wonderful scoring opportunity last night and passed, no look, back to no one. He is paid to shoot, paid to score, especially in tight games, especially in those situations.

      Desharnais is simply not the same player. He is not getting control of the puck in the offensive zone, not creating anything.

      If we do not score 5 on 5 we will have serious trouble advancing.

      • Old Bald Bird says:

        CBC pointed out that Markov had been the trailer on that play but that he peeled off. He should have been there.

      • Maritime Ronn says:


        On the Vanek pass to ‘no one,’ Vanek saw Markov coming as the trailer, yet for some reason Markov turned back and away.
        That’s why that pass looked awful.
        Vanek was expecting Markov to move to the wide open slot

        • Ozmodiar says:

          The play was bad because Vanek had a lane to the net. He could have had a shot from the same place Bourque went 5 hole.

          If the D man was in a better position, I’d be okay with the pass to no one. But he had a chance to go one-on-one with Rask. He let him off the hook.

          • Paz says:

            There’s an old saying, it’s never a bad play to shoot on net.

            When you get paid to score goals, shoot!!

      • BobbySmithWasClutch says:

        could it be that Vanek can’t being himself emotionally to buy into the passion and desire-level needed to win this time of year bc he knows in his head and heart he won’t be back next season?

    • Ozmodiar says:

      I think Boston are a bit worried about where their goals are coming from too. 🙂

      Basically limited to tip-ins or silly bounces off the ice, end boards/glass. They could say the same about getting their big guns going too.

      And if you think 40% PP is cause for concern, I wonder how they feel about 0%. 😉

  49. Ian Cobb says:

    If it were easy to get to the top, it would not be as big a deal to get there. We will get there!
    Great clean game, both sides. Because Boston now has great respect for our club and power play.
    This overtime loss will only strengthen our resolve.
    Some of our kids are learning about what it takes to get to the top of the heap.
    Our team will be stronger as we go deeper towards the CUP!
    We are being treated to some old time hockey! I’m loving it, as I know you are as well.!
    Saturday should be another swell winning contest for us.!!

  50. UKRAINIANhab says:

    Tough loss, not as tough as game 2. Habs can overcome the disappointment with a huge win in Boston. Remember, we have played extremely well there except for the last 10 mins. Weaver is fine however, I wish we had Beaulieu or Tinordi ready. We’ll see! GHG

  51. Savardian Spin-o-rama says:

    All this beotching over Crank and his liabilities….he’s too slow, he can’t pass, he gets caught out of position too much, he listens to Abba, he slurps his coffee….moan, moan, whine, whine. Give it a rest people. The guy is useful. Sure he’s no Subbie, but we’ve got one of him already. Crank brings his own bag of tricks to the party. We all know what they are and they’ve been trotted out here ad nauseum. Bottomline for me: the guy fills a need and plays within his limits. As somebody said about Swedes, they show up, shut up, play hard and go home. That’s Crank.

    Now, you know who really scares me on our backend? Marky the Pylon. The man is done, finis red as they say in French. Somebody oughta put an orange vest on the guy and tell him to go direct traffic somewhere. I’d put Beaulieu in for him in a heartbeat.

    ~~ You’ve been spun ~~

  52. DipsyDoodler says:

    I just saw the highlights of LA-ANA.

    Is it just me or is that game much much faster than Habs-Boston?

    Both teams were just flying.

    Moving. Forward.

  53. Mad Habber says:

    In my opinion this was the Habs best game of the series. They were winning a lot of the races for the puck and had the Bruins hemmed in for good portions of this game. Essentially they out skated the Bruins for most of this game, the reason why they lost was that Rask finally played well. (Not that I blame Rask for those loses, Bruins have break downs defensively despite what the Toronto media tells us.)

    So long as Habs keep skating like they did last night, they will score, and hopefully enough to win.

  54. Paz says:

    Tough loss.

    Last game I asked Burly why Murray was getting defensive zone starts at all? But the team had won game 3 and in the “big picture” Therrien was looking good for playing Murray.

    Before the OT I repeated my concern. No need to send out our 3rd pairing for a defensive zone face off. Weaver is a good shot blocker and he’s been effective, but he’s not Subban or Markov. I would want either of those two on the ice for EVERY defensive zone start in any close game, and especially in overtime.

    Facts are Murray is the worst skater I have seen in this league. His lack of quickness means he is slow getting to pucks, slow to control pucks, and the stats prove that we are defending against too many shots when he’s on the ice.

    Facts are, however, Murray is a strong presence on and off the ice. This does help the Habs. Habs’ smaller players feel more confident, protected, and they should play stronger and more aggressively because of it.

    Bottom line. If Murray is in the lineup, and I understand the logic, there is no excuse for having him out there for a key defensive zone start in overtime.

  55. Habitforming says:

    I figured that the Bruins whining about the refs after every game (including game 3 with only 2 penalties called) was something stupid and childish that wouldn’t get them anywhere.

    Boy was I wrong!

    I had better not hear anything about the refs being against the Bruins from Jabba Julien or his players ever again after game 4. how the Bruins ended up with 2 PP’s to only one for the Habs is just mind boggling. There were 4 calls the refs didn’t make in the first 5 mins on the bruins!

    Then again Gary was in the house watching his team…..

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      I’m banned from EOTP but can one of you go over there and see if any of those guys know how to hack into emails? If so recruit them for a dangerous but potentially important job.

      I would be interested to see if, after game one, Mr Campbell instructed the refs to call fewer penalties.

      Because that clearly advantages the Bruins.

      Moving. Forward.

  56. habstrinifan says:

    @Habcouver…. as I am one of the posters who questioned MT having Murray/Weaver out so early in OT, I feel justified in pointing out that I did not ‘wait until the loss’. I made several posts ahead of the OT period that DPairings TOI needed to be adjusted… that it was taking away the TOI of the pairing of Gorges-P.K who by all accounts were causing Bruins most problems.

    @ the entire Murray discussion. I think to be overly critical of ‘what he brings’ to the ice is misguided. Murray cannot coach his TOI. He plays his game as best he can… it is up to MT to ‘recognize’ the limitations and advantages of that game. Shift #1 and #2 in OT… I dont know about that.

    Back to square 1 FOR everybody…. with all its pitfalls.

  57. thebonscott says:

    Soon need to put pacioretty on a milk carton, did he dress last night?

    C’mon guys this is not rocket surgery!!!!

  58. Maritime Ronn says:

    Great Hockey Game – Tough Loss – Great Series.

    Back on October 1/2013 when the puck first dropped, if someone would have said the Habs would finish 4th best out of 16 teams in the Eastern Conference – Win and Sweep Round 1 against Tampa- Be tied 2-2 in Round 2 against Boston, probably most would have taken that.

    This series is so tight.
    Both teams have scored 11 goals in the 4 games.

    Price has kept his part of the deal by playing absolutely superb for the most part.
    Subban has been dominating.

    The very tiny red flag starting to show is the Habs 5X5 play, and the not very good offensive contribution from the forwards in general.

    In 5X5 hockey, the Bruins are winning 11-6.

    The bigger story is who has scored those Habs 6 Even Strength goals.
    Only 3 have been scored by Forwards – that being Bourque, Weise, and Plekanec.
    The other 3 Even Strength goals were scored by Dmen Bouillon-Weaver-Subban.
    (Eller has an Empty net goal and both of Vanek’s goals were on the PP)

    In 4 games now, that’s 3 Even Strength goals by Habs forwards vs. 8 by the Bruins forwards.
    Several big Habs names missing from that list.

    While it’s way too premature to be doing any post mortems – and hopefully that won’t happen before June, Habs fans will find out in the next 2-3 games exactly what GM Bergevin meant when he said:
    ” I believe you have players that get you in the playoffs, and you have players that get you through the playoffs.”

  59. thebonscott says:

    Hope they play beaulieu on saturday, with weaver, would be good pairing.

    C’mon guys this is not rocket surgery!!!!

  60. rhino514 says:

    Yes, Bournival can skate superfast and is noticeable, but Galchenyuk is a natural playmaker who knows how to finish and make the highest percentage play.
    The habs haven´t lost any games yet because of this switch, but I´d rather have Galchenyuk in there, even if he hasn´t had a great year.
    Bournie could battle it out with Moen for the last spot on the fourth line.
    Habs needed this game. I said before the series Habs have to be +2 in overtimes to win the series.
    Heartbreaking; even moreso because they I believe they would be outplaying any other team in the Eastern conference with the character, discipline, and skill they are showing.

  61. BJ says:

    Many predicted the Habs in six. Thats what I thought as well. Every game so far has been close. It will remain that way for the rest of the series. Murray did his job last night, how many times did players coming down the right wing hold up coming in, the only other player that commands that fear is PK. As for Max he’s frustrated right now but could score at any time. Also keep in mind he helped get us into the playoffs (and thats the first step for having a crack at the Cup). No way you trade him, how long did Crosby go without a goal in the playoffs before he scored two games ago? The pressure for the next game is back on Boston, they don’t want to come into our building down 3-2 (which is what will happen).

  62. twilighthours says:

    Independent of the incessant Murray-flogging / Murray-defending, I think we should all back off on Ben, eh?

    Berkshire started rolling out his corsi stuff a few years ago and we ripped him for it. Of course, Berkshire devolved into personally insulting posters and was/is generally unlikeable.

    Ben(commandant) is not insulting anyone, he is just voicing his opinion on one player and doing so without taking any swipes at any of us. For us to attack him personally by calling his opinion crap or saying that he is blind or whatever doesn’t serve any purpose. It’s a good community here with lots of room for varied opinion. Let’s hope we keep it that way. The site benefits from respectful, dissenting voices. It would be a shame to lose Ben. He is no Berkshire.

    • twilighthours says:

      And I gotta go… But wasn’t punkster at the game last night? Damn him to hell.

    • BJ says:

      Agreed re Commandant. I don’t always agree with him but he’s a great contributor and brings in interesting perspectives. I also appreciate his prospect updates. Thanks for those.

    • Ron says:

      Voicing his opinion so excessivily that its bull..againist one player througout the wee hours of the night was bull..nice person or not

    • rhino514 says:

      You know which stat really matters?
      Look at the hab´s W-L record with Murray in the lineup. And look at their record after January 1st, when Murray became integrated and more confident.
      Let the big lug have his moment in the sun; next year Tinordi, Beaulieu and possibly Pâteryn will replace his minutes.

      • twilighthours says:

        This post-season: 5-1 without Murray, 1-1 with him.

        Just providing a counter-point.

        • JohnBellyful says:

          Without him — 4-0 against Lightning and Lindmark
          With him — 1-1 against President’s Trophy winners, last year’s Stanley Cup finalists and Vezina Trophy candidate Rask.
          (You could add the team is undefeated in regulation with him in the lineup. If only MT hadn’t sent him out in OT 🙂 )

  63. WindsorHab-10 says:

    Only thing I want to see different in game 5 is a little more traffic in front of Rask. He saw most shots last night & we need to make it tougher on him.

  64. WindsorHab-10 says:

    Conor McKenna or whatever the crap he’s must be a Bruins fan to call Douglas Murray the worst player in the NHL. What an irresponsible & unprofessional statement. He kept the Bruins in check & I sure hope to see him back in game 5. Go Habs Go!!!

  65. Cal says:

    All the “I watch the game with a calculator” guys like Conor “the worst sports talk personality in Montreal” Mckenna are dumping on Murray. Citing their moronic “puck possession” stats.
    Listen up, Corsi-Fenwick heads: the puck changes possession upwards of 500 times per game or more. The relevant thing is not how long you hold on to the puck; it’s what is done with it. Shooting a puck 10 feet wide is not a shot “directed at the net”.
    Here’s something else: if the defensive pairing begins the shift with a face-off in their own end, and the centerman doesn’t win the puck, it usually stay in the zone for a bit. Hence, the “more shots directed at the net” bs.
    The biggest thing about last night’s game was the Habs’ lack of finish AS A TEAM.

    • JUST ME says:

      I agree that this guy should never have been hired to host a radio show that deserves to be called professionnal. Had the issue of the game been different he would have said it was time Murray was put back in the lineup against the Bruis because of the physicality..This guy is sooo predictable it`s not even funny…

      I wonder though where all those strange people come from after a loss on HIO ? People we never see here that just make us go away basically cause they have nothing to add to the discussion . Well i understand why they are here but a 24 hours period of waiting for the registration would get rid of the polluters…

      I thouth that both team lacked the finishing touch yesterday or was it that the opponent did not let them. It made for a real entertaining game that was of playoffs caliber.

    • Maritime Ronn says:


      There is so much more.
      Do these people talk about zone starts?
      Murray has 3 offensive zone starts-4 neutral zone starts, and 7 D zone starts.

      Next questions are who won the faceoff draws and who took possession of the puck?
      Following that, what did the other4 Habs players do on the ice?
      Did they win their puck battles?
      Did they miss other D assignments?
      Were they in a line change while the Bruins had the puck?
      Quality of competition-this is not Florida.

      At the end of the day, it’s hard to argue about a great piece of art with a 95% blind person.

      I’m not a big fan of the big slow Murray, yet blaming him directly or in a sly indirect way for last night’s loss using a stat is nonsense.

    • twilighthours says:

      ” Here’s something else: if the defensive pairing begins the shift with a face-off in their own end, and the centerman doesn’t win the puck, it usually stay in the zone for a bit. Hence, the “more shots directed at the net” bs.”

      Well, two things… Does Murray start most of his shifts in D end? I haven’t checked and don’t really care, but I saw him start a bunch in the other team’s. And… A defenceman’s first and most important job is to regain the puck in his own end. So his centre loses the draw, he now must do his Job. How good is Murray at this?

      I’m the furthest thing from a corsi advocate but you should know two kore things 1) having 5 pucks put at your net for every 1 at theirs is not good hockey. 2) corsi is strongly correlated to team success over the past 7 years. It’s a good predictor of who is going to do well (it predicted the leafs and avs collapse).

      I think Murray is terrible; he makes his teammates work so much harder to get the puck back. And it would have been nice to see him do what he is allegedly good at (clearing the crease) on the winner.

      And all that written, he was certainly not the reason for the loss. We had nothing dangerous all night. I didn’t think we were going to score.

      So, once again, too much made about a 12min/game player.

    • knob says:

      What Cal said!

  66. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …except for the final score I thought Our Team played a magnificent game over a thoroughly deep stacked team

    …I loved the way We were putting beans on their rear-ends and mesmerizing them with speed and ferocious checking

    …but You have to admit da Beans are relentless and that word that has been much used lately, resilient

    …but, so were We resilient, with a capital R

    I also think We are a hungry Team that will not give in …it will depend though if Vanek and Pacioretty can start to contribute

    …I also have a feeling one of Tinordi or Beaulieu will be given a chance before this series is concluded

    …nothing against Murray, except for being slow-afoot …I thought the physical pounding He was giving the Bruins was contagious for the rest of the Team …it was unfortunate He was on the ice for the lucky over-time goal, …up until then I enjoyed His game tonight

    …but We need another comparable on D to compliment P.K.’s speed and skill to support Our offensive forwards

    …I understand Therrien’s dilemma though, it being a trade-off of physicality and experience for untested/unproven quantities in Beaulieu or Tinordi

  67. Un Canadien errant says:

    We won’t blame the Canadiens for feeling like Sisyphus after this game. They’ve been pushing that boulder up that hill. They have led the Bruins on the scoreboard for vast portions of this series, while the Bruins only led briefly, at the end of Game 2, and at the end of tonight’s game. The Canadiens have buzzed around Tuukka Rask, they’ve set up great scoring chances with effective breakouts. They got the puck out of their zone with relative ease. They bodychecked the Bruins often and sometimes hard. They stymied the Bruins, forcing them to commit turnovers. When Boston threatened, the Habs blocked shots, they defended fiercely.

    And when they were poised to win the game, to take a 3-1 stranglehold on the series, when they had the boulder almost at the crest of the hill, Boston scores a clunker of a cheap overtime goal. Boston wins 1-0. They tie up the series at 2-2, and regain home-ice advantage. The boulder has rolled all the way back down the hill. C’est tout à refaire.

    Tuukka Rask didn’t lindback us the game, he made some big stops on a couple of breakaways, which he couldn’t manage in the past few games. I thought that the Canadiens might have misplayed their hand with him, seeing how much he’s battled the puck lately. While there’s the old saying that a shot on net is never a bad play, I felt that the number of times he got to stop slappers from the neutral zone, or wristers from way outside the slot, might have allowed him to work on his game, get his confidence back, get centred. Like a batter who gets punched out by a pitcher in the first inning and looks bad in the process, but in subsequent at-bats sees the ball better, has a better feel for the pitcher’s stuff, and starts to anticipate pitches and make contact.

    Carey Price went toe-to-toe with Mr. Rask, they faced roughly the same number of shots. Carey dodged a few bullets, in that three shots clanged off his posts, but kept his team cool and confident with his calm and control.

    Michaël Bournival proved his worth again tonight, forechecking ferociously, baffling the Bruins with his speed and relentlessness. He got off a few shots on goal, some of which might not have been the best play he could have chosen, but that’s understandable from a rookie who isn’t expected to play a sniper’s role. Such tolerance is harder to extend to Max Pacioretty or Thomas Vanek, however.

    Douglas Murray was a menace again, throwing big hits and forcing the Bruins to play a little bit more on their tiptoes. It was a little bit contagious, and we saw Travis Moen get a good lick on Zdeno Chara, Max finish a couple of checks, and Andrei Markov get some good hits in as well. Douglas may not see action on Saturday though, seeing as the Bruins will have the advantage of the last change, and Michel Therrien may not risk putting his heavy-footed defenceman in harm’s way. Gaston Therrien of RDS also feels that Francis Bouillon will draw back in on Saturday.

    Very, very long shot: Nathan Beaulieu, who took part in the warmup tonight, might be in the lineup to provide a spark, and more mobility on the back end. It would be a bold, uncharacteristic move by Michel Therrien if this played out, since he does love his veterans.

    A good game by the boys with an unhappy ending, and one which we hope won’t be too deflating for them.

    My sources are unreliable, but their info is fascinating.–Woody Paige


    • Marc10 says:

      It is a long shot and we’re not desperate yet, but Beaulieu might just be our Krug in waiting. He has the wheels, the vision and the shot. Can he play 12 minutes while we ride Subban? I think he can. The upside is there. I’d only be worried for him if we’re pinned in the zone. That’s where it might hurt.

      Big gamble.

  68. Dulljerk says:

    Prediction: If Therrien dresses Bouillion over Murray, Habs lose Saturday.

    No eternal reward will forgive us for wasting the dawn.

    • Da Hema says:

      I can’t see how anyone could focus on Murray for tonight’s loss. No one expects him to contribute offensively. Murray is doing what he is supposed to do. Where the hell is Vanek? Pacioretty? Plekanec? The next thing we will see are a bunch of idiots coming on here blaming Carey Price for tonight’s loss. They lost because they didn’t score, not because of Murray.

      • Commandant says:

        Its not about contributing offensively… its the fact he’s an absolute black hole. I don’t think you realize how bad 16.7% is.

        Lets do something simple. Shots for and against.

        Murray was on the ice for over 12 minutes of 5 on 5. In those 12 minutes the shots were 10-1 for Boston.

        Now if the Habs as a team start next game getting outshot 10-1 in the first 12 minutes, but have a couple of big body checks, will we think they are playing well?

        But lets look beyond the stats…… Lets do the eyeball test on this guy. Lets treat him exactly the same as I do when I do a scouting report on a junior player… just a skills analysis.

        – Size
        – Big Hits
        – Wins a good number of board battles
        – Blocks shots

        – cannot make a pass to anyone who is skating, can only make a pass if recipient is standing still
        – cannot start any type of transition game.
        – One of the worst skaters in the league.
        – Gets out of position going for hits.

        Basically when he is on the ice, the only thing he can do is throw hits and block shots… other than that, we are basically killing a penalty when Murray is out there.

        Thats why I’d add someone to the lineup who can drive some offence from the backend. Subban is driving the Burins crazy with his speed. This coaching staff will never do it (if Murray is out this coaching staff will go Bouillion) but my change would be Beaulieu.

        Go Habs Go!


        • Da Hema says:

          I am not disputing that Murray is an adventure defensively. I also think playing him in Boston is very risky given the Bruins will have last change. At least Therrien had some control over when he would be on the ice in Montreal. What I find less plausible is your presumption that the Habs lost because of Murray tonight. After all, why are you focusing on Murray? At least he asserted himself physically against the Bruins and tried his best the last two games to make his teammates feel more comfortable on the ice against a physical team. Where are the criticisms of Saint Pacioretty? Or worse, Vanek? He’s playing so poorly that Therrien has to make him someone else’s problem by shifting him to other lines. If that’s the kind of teammate Vanek is, I’ll gladly offer to help him pack his bags to Minnesota when the playoffs end.

          I am not trying to be a jerk, and I understand your points about Murray. But it strikes me as borderline butthole-ish to focus on Murray when the Habs lost because their scorers didn’t score. I find your statement “its not about contributing offensively” manifestly absurd when the team lost 1-0. When you are shut out, it is all about contributing offensively — and that contribution should be coming from your team’s scorers.

        • Cal says:

          Conveniently forgetting the other 4 skaters on the ice again. What a load of Berkshiresque crap.

          • twilighthours says:

            This is a berkshiresque comment, cal. You’re just taking shots here.

            Let’s get along.

          • Cal says:

            @ twilight- You’re right about getting along. However, blaming 1 player only for the loss is a lot hard for me to take when I saw a few passengers out there that could have played a lot better.

          • Commandant says:

            Cal every single one of the other four skaters (no matter who they are) play worse when Murray is on the ice. He’s a proven anchor.

            Go Habs Go!


  69. Commandant says:

    Bruins had 83% possession in the game with that Murray on the ice.

    Sorry, but I can’t call that playing well, no matter how many hits he throws.

    Go Habs Go!


    • Dulljerk says:

      Would love to visit your link on your posts, but alas, it isn’t working. Please provide stats on downtime of forum poster links. It will really help me understand the world we live in.

      No eternal reward will forgive us for wasting the dawn.

    • knob says:

      A 1-0 loss and we are worried about a guy who played 13 minutes? Murray had 6 hits, 4 blocked shots, and kept Boston honest.

      I am more concerned about Vanek. Maybe MT should try Vanek with Eller and Bourque as I’m already tired of watching Gionta taking shots from 45 feet away that kills the puck possession. MT needs to somehow get Briere more ice time as well.

  70. Habilis says:

    Good read, Boone.

    The Murray thing is a bit of a mess if you ask me. I don’t mean Murray himself, because I feel like he did everything he was asked to do. But his limitations are truly glaring. I’m not much of a fancy stat guy but I saw that Murray had a 7% Corsi tonight. That’s epic bad as I understand it. I don’t think Bouillon is the answer either though. Tough spot for MT.

    Maybe I’m alone on this, and I know MT won’t do it, but I’d rather see one of the kids next game. The Bruins just injected an AHLer and he won the game for them. I think Tinordi or Beaulieu would bring energy and maybe a little desperation. Both will be needed if we’re going to have a real shot at winning this thing.

    • Commandant says:

      Extra skater had it at 7% shortly the game ended (this is just an estimate).

      When they went back and filled in all the line changes on the fly to the exact proper times… that 7% went up slightly to 16.7% as the Habs were credited with 1 shot on goal while Murray was on the ice (a shot that was previously credited to Markov being on the ice).

      STill 16.7% is ATTROCIOUS.

      16.7% was Murray’s 5 on 5 stats.

      There are penalty killers in this league who can get close to that number in 4 v 5 time.

      Go Habs Go!


    • Dulljerk says:

      Corsi = Horse Dung which you should shoot up your chute. I thought Murray played a good game. Stats are for brats and little girls who don’t know how to skate.

      No eternal reward will forgive us for wasting the dawn.

      • Commandant says:

        Ask the GM with two Stanley Cup rings in the past 4 years what he thinks of advanced stats.


        Funny how the Blackhawks don’t have a big guy who hits but can’t skate or pass on their blueline like many other teams do. Funny how they are also one of the best teams in the NHL again.

        The goal against with Murray was inevitable. You put up that amount of possession, and put that many shot attempts against his team, and eventually he would get burned by a bad bounce.

        Thats called creating your own luck.

        Go Habs Go!


        • Dulljerk says:

          A defensive pairing isn’t the only thing involved in puck possession, there’s 3 other guys out there with them. Flukey bounces aren’t stats, they are just “flukey bounces”. This isn’t a computer simulation, these are real mean in pressure situations, get real and try enjoying the game. Oh, and the Black Hawks won’t win the Stanley Cup.

          No eternal reward will forgive us for wasting the dawn.

        • Marc10 says:

          Good article. Of course it helps if the stats told you to draft to franchise players in two consecutive drafts when you were tanking hard… Throw in a Seabrook too… and then score big with Keith and Sharp… and land Hossa. Et voila! Bowman has done a good job of retooling. I will give him that. But he was working from a full toolbox and was only one of the guys on that build.

          Interestingly MB was also part of that team. I wonder how he differs from Stan (and also what his first mate Rick Dudley thinks about all this being the consummate hockey expert…)

          MB has done well in picking up Weise and Weaver. You could argue he didn’t have much choice if he wanted a bigger, tougher D while Tiny, Beaulieu and Pateryn honed their craft in the minors… It’s a shame the kids haven’t made the big jump yet. Dems the breaks, but I wouldn’t overreach on Murray. He has proved useful in small doses this year, especially where our skilled guys needed a big brother or Price needed his crease cleared.

  71. ragethorn says:

    It’s like Therrien says, “in order to win, you need to score at least 3 goals.”

  72. MasterHab says:

    I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for Pacioretty to score. He wouldn’t even face the media after the game tonight, which is pretty cowardly if you ask me, especially when he’s only too happy to smile for the cameras when he has a good night. It speaks to a lack of character on his part. He’s been invisible since 5 minutes after he potted his 39th goal of the season. Playoff hockey doesn’t build character; it reveals it. And in this case, Max has been found wanting. I don’t care how cap-friendly his contract is; if you can’t produce when the games matter you are not worth your salary. If I’m Marc Bergevin I’m dangling Max as trade bait Maybe he can be packaged in such a way as to bring this team a REAL power forward; one who hits people and drives to the net instead of playing a soft, perimeter game that reeks of indifference.

    We can’t expect the Habs to win a series against a team as good as the Bruins when they don’t display anything resembling a killer instinct and when their best goal scorer’s photo is on the side of a milk carton. Ain’t gonna happen, folks.

    The only thing that REAL fans care about is winning

    • Da Hema says:

      I think you are a bit hard on Pacioretty. We all know he is a streaky scorer — that is what it is — and right now the timing for him to be cold is certainly regrettable. If he scores, we likely have a 3-1 lead against the Bruins. I do, however, agree with you about where he needs to go to start scoring again. Where was he when he scored his only goal in this year’s playoffs? Standing right beside the net against Tampa Bay to bang in a rebound. If he wants to break out of his slump, he needs to work for it. Let’s hope he does next game.

    • Roy_s_WINK says:

      You are an idiot. Trade patches? Ridiculous.

      I will remember your username so I can gloss over it.

      Remember mine so you don’t post garbage like this again.

    • JUST ME says:

      I read your comments history and the word failure comes often. Does describe your views very well . Once you have traded the guy you will be looking for another player that does exactly what he did. Thank god you are far from being a G.M. ! Add me on Roy_s_WINK list please! Move on nothing to see…

  73. Marc10 says:

    Good summary.

    There’s not much in it. I thought Price looked great out there. It’s a shame the lads couldn’t muster the one goal we needed to get it done.

    Murray is going to cop a serve. He couldn’t clear the zone all game. It’s a shame he was on for that fuggly goal as you’d expect a scramble in tight to be his bread and butter. Bad luck. I guess we get the Cube Haters back for the next game. There’s always gotta be one, eh…

    With Patches and the DD line MIA on the scoresheet, PK is going to have to pull another page from his ‘Awesome in Boston’ story. Another huge game Saturday. Character defining… again.

    Go Habs Go!

  74. D Mex says:

    Primero / Premier / First !

    ALWAYS Habs –
    D Mex

    • bel33 says:

      Of all the nights I’m up… I just missed out! I hated the outcome tonight… could have went the Habs way just as easily.

      – I’d buy that for a dollar! –

      • D Mex says:

        Sorry to say I was obliged to miss more than half of the game – just walked in. Habs in 5 would have been great, but 6 works AND it will happen on home ice !

        ALWAYS Habs –
        D Mex

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