About last night …


Your Montreal Canadiens no longer control their own destiny.
If Tampa Bay wins their last two games – at home against Columbus on Friday night, in Washington Sunday afternoon – the Lightning will have home-ice advantage for their playoff series against the Canadiens.
Opening on the road might not be a bad thing.
The Canadiens have played three of their worst games this season at the Bell Centre.
• A 6-0 loss to the Los Angeles Kings on Dec. 10,
• A 5-0 loss to the Washington Capitals, and the worst of the lot:
• A 2-0 loss to the New York Islanders Thursday night.

There have been two other home games in which the Canadiens were shut out: 2-0 to the San Jose Sharks in October and 1-0 to the Rangers in November.

That’s 300 minutes of scoreless hockey endured by Montreal hockey fans.

The latest home-ice goose egg might have been the worst.

L.A. and San Jose are Western Conference titans. The Rangers, who are at the Bell Centre on Saturday, are a playoff team; and Washington, on paper, should be one.

The Islanders, on paper, are bathroom tissue. They came into Thursday night’s game 25 points behind the Canadiens. They’d outscored the Canadiens, 216-214, this season. But the Islanders had allowed 60 more goals-against.

Moreover, the visitors iced an injury-depleted lineup. The Islanders were missing seven regulars – including the great John Tavares, Kyle Okposo and Michael Grabner.

Their lineup included 12 rookies – including AHL thumper Brett Gallant who, in his two NHL games, has won fights against heavyweights Matt Kassian of Ottawa and the Canadiens’ George Parros.

The Canadiens were missing Alex Galchenyuk, who won’t be back until the second round of the playoffs. Or if you think the Islanders game was an accurate measure of where the Canadiens are at, we won’t see Galchenyuk again until next season.

I’m not that pessimistic … yet.

The Canadiens were putrid against the Islanders. But they were coming off an impressive performance in Chicago, and the team has a habit of rising – or falling – to the occasion.

If the bring down the curtain on the regular season by dialling up a stinker against the Rangers, there will be cause for concern. A three-game losing streak is not the ideal wave to be riding into the playoffs.

It was evident, from the opeing faceoff, that the Canadiens did not bring their A-game to the Bell Centre. The Islanders skated and passed their way to an early 7-2 shot advantage, and the final possession stats were telling:

The Islanders had 30 shots on Carey Price and fired another 18 that missed the net. The Canadiens blocked 23. Total shot attempts: 71.

The Canadiens had only 19 shots on Evgeni Nabokov. They missed the net nine times, and the Islanders blocked 18 (10 in the third period). Total attempts: 46.

Numbers don’t tell the whole story. The young and largely anonymous Islanders were the livelier and hungrier team, outhitting the Canadiens by a whopping 24-8 margin. The Canadiens coughed the puck up 12 times to only three giveaways by the visitors.

The David Desharnais-Max Pacioretty-Thomas Vanek line had a few good shifts. And Ryan White and Michäel Bournival played with the energy you like to see from fourth liners.

But Michel Therrien has to figure out how to get some secondary offence from his second and third lines.

Tomas Plekanec began the game centring two right-wingers, Brian Gionta and Brendan Gallagher. They were ineffective.

Playing with Daniel Brière and bumped-up plugger Dale Weise, Rene Bourque showed a few signs of life. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Bourque with Plekanec and Gionta against the Rangers. If Lars Eller is recovered from the flu, he could play with Brière and Gallagher.

It’s not ideal to be juggling lines in Games 81 and 82 with the playoffs looming. At least the situation on the back end is more stable, although none of the defence corps was particularly effective against the aggressive Islanders.

Depending on your opinion of Douglas Murray, the fact he will not face a disciplinary hearing for his hit on Johan Sundstrom comes as either a relief or a disappointment.

P.K. Subban still hasn’t recaptured the mojo he had going before the Olympics. But Josh Gorges is an upgrade on Francis Bouillon as P.K.’s partner.

Paired with the lumbering Murray, Mike Weaver looked like … a Florida Panther.

The Rangers game will be a big one for the Canadiens. If Tampa Bay loses Friday night, a win would secure second place in the Atlantic Division. A lightning win and the Canadiens will have to get at least a point on Saturday to stay alive for home ice in the first round.

Whatever the Lightning do, the Canadiens don’t want to go 0-for against two New York teams.






  1. emann_222 says:

    I have to agree with pretty much EBERYTHING Boone says here. We rise to the challenges, and falter to the weak. Its been an issue for as long as I’ve been a Habs fan.

    They need to stop the slide on Saturday against the Rangers, and at least take one win into the post season. Not to mention – giving the Bell Centre fans a boost, and put pressure on the Lightning.

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  2. B says:

    The “toilet paper” Islanders beat Columbus 2-0 the other day. They also beat Detroit 3-0 and have a winning record against Boston this season.

    –Go Habs Go!–

  3. Mick says:

    How many think that DD can bring it in the post season?
    Can Briere bring more in the post season when he has been lame all year?
    Will Eller man up and play better?
    Will PK rise above the MT curse? Even Crosby could not deal with MT.
    Will Price steel a series?
    Will we win against Tampa?

  4. Habcouver says:

    New thread…

    We Are (Not) All Canucks.
    Proudly Canadian but passionately Canadien!

  5. JUST ME says:

    Could we just ignore the crap from you know who from Calgary spilled here every day just to be negative ? You all fall in his trap and play his game when trying to have the last word on the P.K. case when actually we all know what he is worth and all want the best for the team. What will be will be, he just needs to do his best wich i am sure he does ,play for the good of the team wich i am certain he does and the rest will settle itself when it is due.

    Head is spinning after So many repeating comments and after all it becomes a battle that will certainly not be solved by the management reading HIO !

  6. PeterD says:

    The new NHL disciplinarian laying a beating on our favourite Hockey Night in Canada so-called analyst PJ Stock…wonder if S. Quintal can suspend CBC staff for their constant and unjustified “leaf blowing”?

  7. Mick says:

    My lines:
    Max, DD, Vanek

    Briere has to sit?
    Bourque, Pleks, Gally
    Bournival, Eller, Gionta
    Prust, White, Weise

    Gorges- PK

    • jimmy shaker says:

      boooooooo! since eller is out of commission with liquid spewing from every orifice of his body the same lineup that played yesterday will be out there tomorrow night. As far as the playoffs go….bourque will be in the presser taking notes on bernie and how to attack, forecheck, hit and play with passion. The lines should look like this
      #1 line
      danny b/eller/gio

      murray is in on the D for MT because he’s a vet and frankie will get in for murray if MT wants a bit more mobility….tinordi is the 8th d-man on the pecking order for MT.

      Shaker out!

      • Mick says:

        I don’t care about Saturday.
        Briere is not going to turn it on in the post season. He has to sit!

      • Mick says:

        How many think that DD can bring it in in the post season?
        Can Briere bring more in the post season when he has been lame all year?
        Will Eller man up and play better?
        Will PK rise above the MT curse? Even Crosby could not deal with MT.
        Will Price steel a series?
        Will we win against Tampa?

  8. CHicoHab says:

    PK can screw things up as much as he wants game in and game out but I still say he’s the most exciting player we have going since………………………………give it a rest.

  9. twilighthours says:


    Ekblad and Eberle for Subban and Gallagher seems like a fair deal, I suppose. I think Ekblad is a can’t miss. But it will be a year or three before he’s ready, probably.

  10. mdp2011 says:

    Not sure if it has been posted or not, but interesting to note that Jacob De Larose and Mac Bennett are both in Brossard today. Not sure what they’re doing there though. Also, I think Bennett is injured if I am not mistaken.

  11. bwoar says:

    @ Paz : you thought ‘apologist’ was over the top, you missed the Kunta Kinte reference!

    It’s not a zero sum game that you either support the player or the coach. Really, is there anyone here who thinks Subban needs to skate with the puck more and make less passes from inside his own zone? If so, why? I’d like to have a grown up conversation about it.

    • Paz says:

      You’ve been on Subban since before Therrien took over. You even have posted that the booing he receives is justified.

      This is not about how Subban is playing since January for you.

      • The Jackal says:

        You know what concerns me most about this whole PK discussion is that it seems some fans are souring on PK. I think the MT thing is media BS but I don’t think fans should be turning on PK at all. It was the same during his holdout – some people were already selling him short and saying we don’t need him… can you believe that? That’s when we had Kaberle.

        Hockey sine stercore tauri.

        • bwoar says:

          I like PK, but I don’t agree with posters who think he deserves 8 million per year. The potential is there, but the proof is out there on the ice.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Permission to speak freely Ed? I think bwoar pissed you off something fierce months ago with comments he made, be it about PK or be it about Max. But I think the two of you could easily have a good discussion regarding either PK or Max, if you allow it happen.

        We all have posts here where we have gone overboard in our assessments, I hope I am not judged on my overboard posts as they were/are bad.

        I think both of you guys are good at speaking frankly here, and I think both of you have some good hockey sense which helps the site a great deal.

      • bwoar says:

        See, that’s what I’m talking about. I’ve been on the weak parts of Subban’s game since he came into the league. Absolutely nothing to do with the coach. Nothing.

        And yes, he’s made the same mental mistakes, done the same jawing at the refs, the same Brad Marchandian-pest routine without backing it up, since before January.

        Rather than discuss how the player plays on the ice, pointing out what he’s done WELL, and what parts of his game have IMPROVED, all you have Ed is “you’re a hater”, and it’s not really discussion. I’ll repeat a serious question:

        “Is there anyone here who thinks Subban needs to skate with the puck more and make less passes from inside his own zone? If so, why?”

        That’s a topic worthy of debate, don’t you agree?

  12. DipsyDoodler says:

    Not much discussion of Rupp’s hit on Oshie:


    It’s a typical NHL play where a journeyman thug (4 goals per season on average for Rupp) headhunts a star. The NHL will probably slap Rupp on the wrists, and some team will give him a contract next year because they like his compete level.
    Moving. Forward.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Brutal play, head hunting and late hit come to mind. But as you point out the NHL loves this kind of play. I think they should also start a reality show where all the retired concussed players are shown eating soup in a rubber room.

  13. DipsyDoodler says:

    Magnus Nygren’s Farjestads are now one game away from the SHL Finals after a 3-2 win yesterday.

    Highlights here:


    Moving. Forward.

  14. DeadEnd says:

    Think he has any loyalty left to Montreal? Maybe we’ll get a few more calls our way…


  15. Luke says:



    So, ummmm, hey TSN… now do a story about how Sidney Crosby can play in the KHL if he negotiates his way out of Pittsburgh, and wants to play in the KHL.

    • B says:

      Can Crosby play for Montreal if he negotiates out of his contract with Pittsburgh, or does he go to the KHL first and then negotiate his way out of that contract too (surely it could be arranged for the right amount of rubles)?

      –Go Habs Go!–

  16. HabinBurlington says:

    Seems to me that aside from the Briere move, most moves made by MB have either worked well or appear to be. The Briere move could perhaps still work out, but this indeed could end up be a “meh” move or perhaps worse.

    But, given how most moves have been pretty good, I am very comfortable leaving him to decide how and what happens with PK. In fact I will go on a limb here and suggest MB knows better what to do than every poster here, and also knows what is going on behind the scenes better.

    What will be will be.

    • shiram says:

      Colby Armstrong was an horrendous move!
      Complaints and pitchforks, you know?

    • bwoar says:

      I’m still waiting to see if the ‘meh’ becomes ‘OK’ with a solid playoffs. I share your optimism with regards to Bergevin. Anytime I’ve thought he goofed, I’ve been either way off or just overly harsh.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        The Briere move could change, agree. I just don’t want to jinx it.

        • jimmy shaker says:

          I just wish he wasn’t MT’s favourite whipping boy. Lose a face off, benched. Take a penalty, benched. Missed a back check, benched. Hard to get going when ur coach expects results with limited ice time, limited PP time. I just wish MT would give him a regular shift, about 15 min of ice time and some PP time as well……for just ONE game. I’m really hoping he keeps his playoff prowess going and shove it right in MT’s face. I’ve liked MT as a coach and think he’s doing a good job overall except for his handling of danny and his line juggling game after game, and in game juggling too.

          Shaker out!

      • Habfan10912 says:

        Glad you posted that Bwoar. Briere could very well become a key player in the playoffs especially if he’s given some pp time.

  17. Strummer says:

    Hockey Central at Noon will be on the road covering the Habs like a blanket.
    Bewteen them, CBC and TSN Habs will get maximum exposure as long as they’re playing.

    “It’s just an opinion- I could be wrong”

  18. RetroMikey says:

    The team really sucked last night. NO heart, no desire., no passion, no nothing!
    Can’t really see them doing really anything spectacular against Tampa Bay with Bishop maybe out and with their tight checking team.
    Home ice is very critical in a 7 game playoff series.
    They blew it last night.
    Well, Molson will be happy with 2 home games in Montreal, a little pocket change for him.
    Can;t wait to see how much money they will be exploding on PK, Vanek, Markov and Gionta to name a few!
    Gonna be ugly.
    I prefer North American grit players to sign and prospects than sign these players to ludicrous contracts.

    “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

  19. habs-fan-84 says:

    Wow, Subban fan boys are out in full force today!

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      What a lazy and pejorative word that accomplishes zilch.

      • mdp2011 says:

        Hold on a minute, let me Google “pejorative” and get back to you.

      • twilighthours says:

        No kidding, eh?

        There’s often some great discussion, some well-argued points that detail the concerns about PK’s future with the team. And all we get in return is “you stupid fan boy, PK needs to suck it up and Therrien knows better than you.”

        Hardly a meaningful contribution.

        • habs-fan-84 says:

          “There’s often some great discussion, some well-argued points that detail the concerns about PK’s future”

          There is also an equal (if not more) amount of crap posted here about Subban.

          • twilighthours says:

            So ignore it, like the rest of us ignore the nonsense about Desharnais, Patches, Eller, Markov, Cube, Murray, Price, Halak, Gomez, Jacques Martin, Gainey, ……

            But don’t paint with such broad strokes.

    • Paz says:

      Same people hating on Subban who hated him when he broke in, hated him when he won the Norris ( man that must have pissed some “fans” off big time!), and hate him today.

      Same people who have posted that the booing around the league is justified.

      You keep Therrien. I’ll keep Subban.

      • mdp2011 says:

        Hating on Subban???? Really? There is not one comment here today that says people hate Subban. I am pretty sure that 99% of posters here are Subban fans including myself. But most of us here can acknowledge that since January his game has been pretty bad and it is not all MT’s fault.

  20. AceTen says:

    Maybe Subban will take a Crosby-like deal (#87 8.7 mil cap hit). 8 years at 7.6 mil per season. I really don’t think we should be giving him 8.

  21. Sportfan says:

    So what happens to Murray?

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    • Kfourn says:

      Thanks for these prospect analyses Ben, it’s always interesting to read up on future prospects. Who would you like to see the Habs draft in the #20 range or who do you think has a reasonable chance of “slipping” to the Habs?

      “It’s sad when our rookies have no NHL experience before they jump up to the NHL.” – nunacanadien

  22. bwoar says:

    You PK apologists are a bunch of freakin’ crybabies. You’d think Therrien DID cut off part of his foot!

    (if you’re old enough to get the reference, you aren’t a crybaby, just bloody cranky, like me.)

    • Paz says:

      Only on HIO would a fan of PK Subban be called an apologist.

      • Luke says:

        Well, since you just have to not hate MT to be called an MT apologist around here it, seems par for the course

        • Paz says:

          Only here is that logic acceptable.

          • The Jackal says:

            You know HIO has it’s nutty moments and apologist is a bit much, but there are a few people who think PK and his game are beyond criticism and that he is not to blame at all for his poor play and bad decision-making this second half of the year.

            Hockey sine stercore tauri.

          • bwoar says:

            Fan = fanatic… turns people into apologists. As if the kid’s game going downhill is entirely the fault of a coach who coached him to a Norris trophy season last year (whether because of or in spite of, it really makes no difference.) Hence ‘apologist’, because everyone and everything else other than Pernell Karl is to blame for his struggles since being named to Team Canada. It’s what I’ve been reading here for months. I’m sure PK himself wouldn’t think that way.

            It’s an awful lot of fanboy-ism rather than rational analysis. As you say, only here is that logic acceptable.

    • The Jackal says:

      I love PK and hope he is a Hab for life and that he reaches his full potential. Something has been bugging him since around the Olympics and we don’t really know what. I agree with you that it is ridonkulous to blame MT though. What really makes my blood boil are the crazy claims that PK is gonna bolt and leave us because of “how we treat him.”

      Hockey sine stercore tauri.

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  24. Old Bald Bird says:

    I am reading all sorts of comments and find it fascinating that nobody wants PK to play like PK but like some sort of robot. How’s that working out? No, he wasn’t perfect, but he was something special. Now he’s crap thanks to the “Make PK a Better Person” program. Ah, what’s the use!

    • Timo says:

      I do. I want PK to play like I saw him play his first couple of years in the league and I want Therrien to do what he does best – shoot his mouth off on l’antichambre.

    • bwoar says:

      The program that helped him win a Norris trophy?

    • Luke says:

      I don’t think he’s crap at all.
      I don’t want him to play like a robot.

      I just want him to pick his spots better and play more responsibly.
      His rushes, recently, have been rush killers.

      His play for the last while reminds me too much of Ovechkin’s play. I’d rather his play remind me of Doughty’s. Is Doughty a robot?

      I dunno… Neidermeyer could dangle the puck as much to his hearts desire with guys clutching and grabbing him all over the ice, but he didn’t. He picked his spots. He rushed when it was there, he passed when it was a better option even though he had room to carry it.

      That kind of horrible treatment by Lemaire and Lou got him into the HoF.

      • Old Bald Bird says:

        Yeah okay. I went a little overboard with the “robot” comment.

        However, the question about how it’s working out remains. I think he’s trying hard to be something he’s not, while I think that the something he was was so very fine. He had a decent +/- last year, but is a – this year.

        Anyway, it’s the “total overhaul” concept that I seemed to be reading (maybe I’m reading too much between the lines) that was grinding my gears.

    • habs-fan-84 says:

      -His rushes NEVER worked.
      -He DOES hold on to the puck too long.

      Having PK play more responsibly with puck should NOT hinder his offensive production. It does however, limit some of his defensive shortcomings and or mental gaffes.

  25. Last night was a case of a team playing not to get injured before playoffs against a team with a dozen guys trying lights out to earn a look for next season. Not a recipe for success, but I wouldn’t read too much into it.

    If they don’t compete on Saturday, I’d be a bit more worried. Still though, no time to jump ship.

    Have a great weekend, all. =)

    Defense wins championships

    “To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible.” St. Thomas Aquinas

  26. Timo says:

    So is it a day off today for Habs? I mean, they gotta be fatigued.

    • shiram says:

      I thought they had the day and night off yesterday??

    • Hobie says:

      Only Subban and Eller have to practice today…

    • BJ says:

      @Timo, his is a repost from way down below:
      One step behind all night. Guy Boucher (now coaching in Bern, Switzerland) has a very interesting take on the demands of the NHL schedule (I heard him on RDS yesterday). He said that after observing the players with the amount of games, traveling, injuries etc. that there are probably 20 too many games per season. He says its impossible for the players to be at their best and be consistent on a regular basis. As most of us have travelled some, I can easily see how demanding it must be to maintain a superior effort on a daily basis (and I’m not including having played a demanding game the night before) hitting the bed at 3:00 or 4:00 am and playing again the next night. Repeat that for almost 9 months a year if you go far enough into the playoffs. So I guess you can say that thats where our team was last night. A step behind young players that have a lot to prove to stay up with the big team. So really no big surprise. We’ll be better vs the NYR and if Tampa gets home ice advantage they will have deserved it and if we want to get into the second round, we simply have to beat them by winning one more game than they do.

  27. BobbySmithWasClutch says:

    Is Emelin, even if healthy and hitting, overrated? (I don’t expect much offense from him but do you think he’s good defensively?)

    • Timo says:

      I think he is a good #4-5 dman. He probably need a bit less ice time which isn’t going to happen if he plays with Markov. But I want him to stay with the Habs. After all, once Subban leaves the Habs and Bouillon is extended for 3 more years Emelin will be Habs #3 (behind Markov and Bouillon)

      • BobbySmithWasClutch says:

        He’s getting the ice-time and salary of a weak #3 or strong #4 defenseman so this could be a small reason we’ve given up a lot of shots or can’t close out games as well as we should.

  28. HabinBurlington says:

    Once the playoffs are over for the Habs, I fully expect the site to change its name to PKI/O.

    Cant wait!!! It is going to be great…..

  29. Timo says:

    I don’t know about you but I like that Laffs hired Shamahan.

  30. docketrocket says:

    Habs had a 4-3 advantage for about 90 seconds shortly after Murray went. Therrien took Subban off and he did not play a second of that advantage. I guess we have to assume Therrien is a wise coach. Or not?

  31. Luke says:

    To Respond to Twi’s comment from the last page:
    twilighthours says:
    April 11, 2014 at 11:23 am And this is the salient point… let’s ignore the pretty scenery for a second:

    if Bergevin won’t pay Subban 8 mil per, then 1) he lets him go via offer sheet or 2) trades him.

    If 1) you’re not going to find a player of Subban’s quality with 4 first rounders. Players like Subban are few and far between, and getting them through the draft… crapshoot.

    2) if you’re trading him, you’re not getting an equivalent defenseman back (otherwise why is the other team doing the deal?)

    So in either case, you’re leaving a hole in the lineup that will take years/decades to fill.

    This is what happened with the Leafs/Phaneuf, albeit to a lesser degree.

    While I do think MB will sign PK, and think it’ll be at about 7.5-8/season, we have already seen that MB has a clear vision of salary structure in place. I think the 7.5 or 8 will test the boundry, but in the end that’s the cost of doing business. I’m quite happy with that.

    Now, as for your points regarding the offer sheet and draft crap shoot as well as the trade. There is one scenario where a PK trade makes sense for the Habs.


    The more I’ve thought about it, the more it seems reasonable to me. The Oilers are so obviously lacking on backend, but they are also hitting a breaking point where another great young prospect isn’t what they need. PK is young, but an established star.

    Provided Ekblad is avaiable when Edmonton picks it would provide the upper tier defenseman similar to PK that the Habs would want in return. Fiddle around with other players, ideally Eberle and perhaps Gallagher switching teams. I still think MTL would have to add another piece, but that’s one of the few scenarios that really seems to be a fit… or at least be less of a stretch.

    I like this trade idea a bit too much, so I’m probably not giving up enough to get Ekblad and Eberle…

    • HabinBurlington says:

      If a trade is to occur, I like your thought process.

    • Habitforming says:

      Your assessment of maybe not giving up enough is a bit off IMO.

      Ill try to leave the homer glasses off for a second and just say that players of PK’s caliber are generally traded in one of two ways.
      1) for a first, a top end prospect and a youngish roster player. (this is usually for salary dumping)

      2) one for one (picks maybe too) and the only one from the Oilers in that regard for me is RNH or Hall. Eberle is good, but small and we don’t need more of that going forward. Not when you’re the one looking to move the player for specific needs.

      Then again, with Therrien at the helm, do we really want him to try and develop more high end talent since he has dropped the ball so badly with PK, Galchenyuk, Beaulieu and Tinordi?

  32. boing007 says:

    Gerry, the old guy who calls up Marinaro every day, just said that he would like to throw MT into the ocean nearby a school of sharks.

    Richard R

  33. shiram says:

    It’s a wonder NHL GM simulator are not more popular.
    Or coach simulator for that matter.

  34. BobbySmithWasClutch says:

    I think it’s very significant that The Rangers clinched first round home ice advantage last night. We should win Saturday bc they won’t have the same motivation.

  35. Mr_MacDougall says:

    A lot of talk for Vanek getting 7 years at 56 million..

    Would he take 4 years at 40 million? Front loaded from the Habs?

    That would take Vanek to the end of the Patch deal (which is a bargain so Vanek’s 10 would even out)

    Just an interesting situation from both perspectives.. Vanek would make more,in the short term, and if the contract is front loaded, and you applied the “time value of money” principal, the 40 million dollar deal is worth 35 million in “today’s dollars” while the 56 is worth 41 million… Vanek would have 3 years to earn 6 million of “2014 dollars” which ends up being approx 10 million…

    I know, a little unclear.. But a 4 year 40 mill contract could benefit both sides…

    ~~ Plekanec at the Disco ~~

    • BobbySmithWasClutch says:

      no chance he’d forgo the longer term security deal

    • BobbySmithWasClutch says:

      You’d pay Vanek $10M/season? Get real. He’s not Crosby or Malkin

    • HabinBurlington says:

      The concept of maximizing a front load deal is a good one. Habs are a wealthy team, therefore maximize paying more than a cap hit, at the end of the term the player becomes more enticing to other teams who pay less than the caphit (thinking smaller markets etc..)

      Who knows what it will take, but the concept is bang on.

    • 24 Cups says:

      Vanek could still get a 7 year deal and front load the way you’re suggesting. If Clarkson can do it I’m sure Vanek can.

    • DeadEnd says:

      Interesting thought. Although the front loading could be difficult, given the rules in the new CBA that limit how much a contract can vary year-to-year or over it’s life.

      Another benefit to the shorter term is it reduces the potential for the recapture provisions should a player leave the league/retire before the end of the contract.

  36. krob1000 says:

    Would be great if Markov and Subban took a good look at teh situation….Markov’s 3rd year would be to inflate his money butlower cap hit. I am thinking 17..25 for 3 years. Subban could take a 3 year deal at Price money so HAbs get 1 year of UFA and go 19.5 million for 3 years and then decide his future. Vanke is one I would roll the dice on long term…the thought of him with PAtches and Galchnenyuk for the4 next few years is toot antalizing and the next 3 years are a key window for the team with so many young players playing above their contracts.

    For Vanek I would break the bank and worry about buying him out later….by the time that deal is done team could be in rebuild status anyway. 52 million for 8 years front loaded to make Vanek more money. Gio if he wants can sign 2 years for 6.5…IMO he is owed that offer.

    The removal of Bouillon, Parros, Bourque, the trading of Gorges and possibly moving one of Moen/Prust (it may be possible to keep them both). I would keep BRiere. I would move Dd in offseason but it doesn’t appear that will happen.

    Patch (4.5) DD (3.5) (Vanek 6.5)
    Chucky(.95) Pleks (5) Gally (.7)
    Gio (3.5)Eller(2.25)-Briere (4)
    Bournival (.66)Weise (1.2)-White (.75)-PRust (2.5)
    other tough guy for 1 million Total =37 million

    Markov 5.75-Emelin 4.1
    Subban 6.5-Beaulieu(.925)
    Tinordi (.875)-Weaver 1.2
    Murray 1 other vet guy 1 million
    D Total = 21.35

    Goalie- Price 6.5 Budaj (1.4) -7.9

    Allof those guy s add up to 66.35 million. Briere comes off next eyar and goes to raises. Gio the next and then Pleks ,etc down the road…it is doable if those guys are willing to take fair and reasonable money…yes it will be slightly less then they can get elsewhere but I think the opportunity is there for this team for next 3 years.

    given the other goalies team now has Budaj is a possibility for cap room as Tokarski is only .575. WOuld like to keep Budaj…but have to thinka bout possibliites if it means keeping team togetehr and competitive for 3 year window.

    • Garbo says:

      Very optimistic numbers on Vanek and Subban.

      I also find your comment about keeping Briere over DD a bit of a head scratcher.

      I agree with the rest of the players you propose to dump.

      • krob1000 says:

        -I didn’t dump DD….said I would because he has 2 more years and I see Chcuky moving into that role…I kept him though because I believe MB will
        -BRiere comes off books next year anyway and he is good insurance

        -Vanek -Montreal has the 8th year to bargain with taht no other team has…between that and the ability to front load (we all know he sin;t playing hat year)….you can give same or more total money to him but lower the cap hit.
        -PK at 3 years and only one year into UFA gives nboth parties some felxibility…
        -The idea was to not pay anyone more than Price but to also make it fair for the parties involved.

        The other carrot here is the potentially great wondow the Habs have before them right now.

    • Timo says:

      I am not so sure Bouillon will be removed.

  37. Steeltown Hab says:

    PK who should be our biggest X Factor has been overcoached and harnessed so bad, it’s painful to watch this deterioration. He looks flat out bad/terrified to make a mistake out there.

    Not allowed to skate the puck further than from behind our net to our own hashmarks. At the end of the day I’ll still pay him 8M all day, can’t be replaced because we know what he is (already shown, not potential to be). Just have a coach who is awful for him, I hope Bergevin recognizes this and doesn’t write it off as Subban is young and having struggles bs.


    Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Emelin, Bournival, De La Rose – @J_Perez22

    • BJ says:

      I don’t get it either with PK? He’s either hurt physically or damaged emotionally by the Olympic fiasco and his relationship with the coaches. He’s confused or hurt and if he’s confused he may go to arbitration and try to force the team to trade him so he can get out of Dodge.

      • BobbySmithWasClutch says:

        Great so this is going to end up like the Patrick Roy scenario where we live for a decade of regret?

        • Luke says:

          Or the Washington scenario where you give the player what he wants at the expense of the team and have little to no success.

          • BobbySmithWasClutch says:

            Wow, I just checked and Ovechkin and Backstrom are a combined -57 plus/minus this season. I’ll assume some of that is due to character (or effort) questions that I don’t think Subban brings quite the same risk with. Also Subban won’t make more than $7M/season

          • Luke says:

            seems like the inmates are running the asylum in WSH.
            Hunter had a bit of success there, but he only did it when he forced Ovie to play a role, not allowed him to run free.

        • Just a Habs Fan says:

          You know what giving PK 8-9 M a year would set this team back for along time. There is noway in hell he is worth that kind of money. His play is dreadful this year once other teams started to press him. He is not that effective and it happens to some players. He has a great shot and did shine on the power play early on…..as for you guys who thinks MT is using him unfairly well you aren’t being open minded…PK is responsible for PK’s play….it’s often said that players dig down and play so well the coach has no option but play him. Well balance works on everything……if PK is half as talented as many say he is then maybe it is time for him to play like you guys think he can….will the coach take him out then……give your heads a shake…you sound like teens…maybe you are…never thought of that.

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