About last night …


Some free advice for your Montreal Canadiens:
Don’t give Detroit 40-plus shots on goal Saturday night at the Bell Centre.
Carey Price is a great goaltender.
But Detroit is in a desperate fight for a playoff spot.
And the Red Wings aren’t the Senators.

The seven goals Craig Anderson allowed  Friday night – on a mere 23 shots – brought Ottawa’s Goals-Against total to 259.

No team in the NHL has allowed more.

Not Edmonton (257).

Not Florida (256).

When they visited the Bell Centre on March 15, the Senators led 4-1 with 3:22 left in the game. The Canadiens tied it in regulation and won in overtime.  The unlikely W keyed a streak that has seen the Canadiens win nine of their last 11 games.

Friday night in Ottawa, the Canadiens didn’t register a shot on goal until the home team had fired seven at Peter Budaj and jumped out to a 3-0 lead. But with their Norris Trophy winner sitting – I use the verb advisedly – at minus-2 after his first 37 seconds of ice time, the Canadiens tied the game before the first-period siren sounded.

Then they scored four more.

SEVEN unanswered goals. The embarrassing defeat, in their own building, just about eliminated Ottawa from the playoff hunt.

And it partially avenged the Canadiens’ ignominious five-game loss to the Senators in last spring’s playoffs.

I’ve qualified the degree of vengeance because the final score was misleading. The Canadiens were opportunistic and got brilliant hockey from their goaltender and top line. But they did not run the Senators out of the Canadian Tire Centre.

Ottawa had 43 shots at Peter Budaj. The Canadiens blocked 14, and another 21 Ottawa shots missed the net.

Corresponding numbers for the Canadiens: 23 SoG, Ottawa blocked 3 and four missed the net.

That’s 78 times pucks came off Ottawa sticks in the direction of Budaj – to only 30 directed at Anderson.

Again, if this degree of possession favours Detroit, it ain’t gonna be pretty at the Bell Centre – no matter how well Carey Price plays.

In his postgame media scrum, Michel Therrien described the game as “assez bizarre.” The coach used the word “character” at least four times in praising his team’s resilience. Therien also liked Jarred Tinordi and Alex Galchenyuk going after Ottawa players who had laid hits on their teammates.

Tinordi pounded out a solid decision over Eric Gryba, the Ottawa defenceman who knocked Lars Eller out of the playoffs last year.

Galchenyuk fared less well in a wrestling match with Erik Karlsson, whom the HNIC crew – taking a night off from Leaf-blowing to get in a little Sens-sucking – spent the night comparing favourably with P.K. Subban.

Karlsson did have more ice time: 22:33 to P.K.’s season-low 13:39. It will be interesting to see how Subban bounces back against Detroit on Saturday night.

To my rheumy old eyes, P.K. hasn’t been himself since the Olympics. But I can’t see why a slightly sub-par P.K. should have less ToI than Francis Bouillon, Mike Weaver and Tinordi – not to mention the stiffs patrolling that porous Ottawa blueline.

In an interview on RDS, Pierre LeBrun said he’d spoken on Friday to P.K.’s agent. Don Meehan told LeBrun negotiations on a new contract for Subban will not get down to brass tacks until after the Canadiens have played their last game of the season.

Fearless prediction: There’s going to be some tough talk between Meehan and Canadiens’ general manager Marc Bergevin. And if another team comes in with an offer sheet for the restricted free agent, things could get really interesting.

P.K.’s contract is not the only dossier on the GM’s desk, which has more hot potatoes than a poutine stand.

Andrei Markov is the pillar of the Canadiens’ defence corps. Bergevin has to retain Markov through the apprenticeship of Tinordi and Nathan Beaulieu.

And then there’s Thomas Vanek.

The deadline-day acquisition has joined David Desharnais and Max Pacioretty to form one of the best lines in the NHL. As good as Brendan Gallagher was with DD and Max, Vanek plays on a whole other level from the mighty mite.

Playing on a good team for the first time in a long time, Vanek has been spectacular. He scores goals, he hits – Chris Phillips was the victim on the vanek pass that set up Pacioretty’s first goal – and he’s unselfish.

Vanek has a sky-high hockey IQ. He makes his linemates better and has meshed beautifully with DD and Max.

On L’Antichambre, Gaston Therrien said if the Canadiens offer Vanek what the Islanders did – $50 million for seven years – he would sign tomorrow. Therrien’s theory is Vanek will recognize the allure of playing out his contract with younger linemates that are just coming into their prime.

I sure hope so. And a decent playoff run might persuade Vanek his future lies in Montreal.

July 1 is a long way off.

April 16 isn’t. Between now and the beginning of the playoffs, the Canadiens have to improve several aspects of their game – notably scoring by their second and third lines and a power play that is 0-for-13 over the last four games. 

But your Canadiens will still be playing in late April – unlike the team that knocked them out last May.




  1. RockinRey says:

    I have MB on speed dial and I have been told PK isn’t going anywhere. But the negots will have him capitulating only if the Habs hand over part ownership of the franchise , a key to the city and a condo on Nuns Island, unlimited smoked meat from Dunns.

    ‘This organization going forward must set its sights on competing for the game’s ultimate prize every season — and no lesser standard should be accepted.’
    —Geoff Molson, Canadiens owner and president

  2. JUST ME says:

    Habs fans being negative ? Naaaaahhhh..
    We should be rejoycing about Max Pac that fills the opponent`s net as no one has done in 20 years in MTL but we prefer to talk about a player that was benched, not for the first time, not because he did not ultimately deserve it…
    Thank god we have Boone that this morning gives us his usual negative first advice but this time he states that they are free advices !!!

    Tonight will be a different sort of game, Detroit is super hot and it will be a good challenge and call for the need to be tighter defensively and to grind and dig deep. But again i expect the Habs to be the party spoiler !

    • RockinRey says:

      If he played like Gallagher he might have another 10 to 15

      ‘This organization going forward must set its sights on competing for the game’s ultimate prize every season — and no lesser standard should be accepted.’
      —Geoff Molson, Canadiens owner and president

      • Mattyleg says:

        …because the way he plays isn’t good enough…?

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • RockinRey says:

          Is that what you think?

          ‘This organization going forward must set its sights on competing for the game’s ultimate prize every season — and no lesser standard should be accepted.’
          —Geoff Molson, Canadiens owner and president

    • Mattyleg says:

      Max is the Real Deal, man.

      We haven’t had a sniper like this since Richer.
      And Richer was far more one-dimensional than Max.
      I love the fact that the top line seem to get a ton of enjoyment from feeding each other for chances in increasingly ingenious ways!

      It’s really fun to watch, and it’s great that we have a line now that other teams don’t want to face.
      Feels really good!

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • frontenac1 says:

        Could have sworn I saw Sens hats on the ice after Max”s third goal.

      • WindsorHab-10 says:

        It’s definitely a lot of fun watching that line perform. It pains me to agree with you but I got to do it.

        • Mattyleg says:

          It would be insane to disagree that this is one of the best lines in the NHL.

          You don’t have to disagree with me about everything, Winny.
          If we sat and had a pint together, I’m sure you’d find that we agree about more than we disagree about.

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • DipsyDoodler says:

            Yeah but most of that would be stuff like “oranges are orange” and ” the oboe is a musical instrument”.

            Moving. Forward.

          • WindsorHab-10 says:

            All good Matty. It’s all about the team & believe me that’s all I want.

      • RockinRey says:

        You have to admit . He is not all he can be.

        ‘This organization going forward must set its sights on competing for the game’s ultimate prize every season — and no lesser standard should be accepted.’
        —Geoff Molson, Canadiens owner and president

  3. RetroMikey says:

    No surprise that PK will walk away from the club this summer and sign for greedy big fat dollars. That’s all that matters to these hot shot athletes.
    I’ll be surprised of PK is a Habs player for life.
    I will not miss him at all
    I have honour and respect for players like Bouillion who wear the CH with pride and take a pay cut.
    C ya PK!
    The big Apple city is waiting for you.

    • likehoy says:

      PK is an RFA, he will probably go to arbitration which will protect him from being signed to an offer sheet.. Thus he has no ability to walk away from the team.

  4. Mattyleg says:

    Guys, I…. I can’t stop crying…

    PK is leaving.

    He has been disrespected, snubbed, insulted, embarrassed, humiliated, dishonoured, mistreated, ignored, undervalued, mishandled, spat-upon, put-upon, looked-down-upon, and shat upon (not to mention crushed, restrained, hampered, hindered, slowed, compromised, and did I mention insulted and embarrased and humiliated?) enough by this entire organization for long enough, and his patience has finally broken.

    He’s going to leave.
    First offer sheet, he is out of here.
    Because he is unable to play on a team that doesn’t respect and worship him for the superstar he truly is.
    It is wrong, incorrect, and ill-advised for a Norris Trophy Winner to ever have to be answerable for his play.

    And now he’s leaving.

    From what I’ve heard, he’s on the phone every night to his brother, who can’t say enough great things about the Bruins organization, and the great way they treat their young superstars (except for Séguin. And Kessel.).

    Added to all of this (and making my tears that much more bitter: 65 IBU last time I checked) is the fact that this is exactly what Therrien wants!! He wants to lose his best/second best defenceman to prove that he’s stubborn, egotistical, megalomaniacal, selfish, blinded, blinkered, and foolish.

    …excuse me…

    (blows nose loudly, changes tear-soaked shirt)

    This is all too reminiscent of earlier this year when Therrien benched Subban for a few shifts! I wept for days, thinking about how he was going to just up and leave…

    But that didn’t happen. He turned his game around and played better than ever, and got selected for Team Canada.

    BUT!!! It COULD have happened…. and that’s why… I am weeping.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  5. Mark C says:

    Has Subban signed an offer sheet yet?

  6. 1010 says:

    Oh, and read the bottom comment first, and then the top. It might make sense that way.

    GO HABS……

  7. adamkennelly says:

    PK does need to settle down a bit – I would imagine he gets benched because the coach asks him to do certain things over and over and over and over again and he doesn’t listen. Errors of commission and not omission.

    trying to do the right thing and failing is one thing but doing whatever you want all the time – doesn’t work.

  8. 1010 says:

    I would clarify that for TSN SN and others on this site who may be blind. Quit saying the Habs caught a huge break. Please.

  9. 1010 says:

    You are not allowed to punch the goalie when you skate by. Especially if he is attempting to play the puck The refs did get it wrong because it wasn’t incidental contact. It was intentional. Just thought

  10. habtastic74 says:

    Since it’s the topic of the morning, I thought I’d provide a thought about Subban/Therrien. When other defenders have made glaring mistakes or had terrible games/weeks, they have found themselves in the press box. Emelin spent time there earlier in the year. Tinordi was there after his gaffe against Columbus. Frankie has spent a lot of time there, and so has Murray.

    Is it possible that Subban gets benched during games, because unlike some other d-men, he will never be sent to the press box? For example, if Murray makes a bonehead move maybe it is saved and discussed after the game as the reason why he won’t be in the lineup for a game or two. Since that won’t happen to Subban, perhaps the only solution is benching during a game.

    Markov and Gorges are largely exempt from the situation since they are veteran leaders of the team.

    This may all be forbidden “speculation”, but I felt like sharing a thought that I had about the PK situation. Who knows if this is what’s going on, but I think it should be regarded as a theory.

    • RockinRey says:

      Uhuh and Markov is never sat. Bottom line is Therrien is sending a message that is a double standard. Should we be upset about it? Hmmm not so sure …..as long as you see a player continue to develop. Has PK taken another step this yr? Dont think so. Ultimately that is on him and the coach.

      And I must clarify that I have been a big big PK supporter since he came in. I just think he had regressed this year. He has all the tools to be one of the best Habs defensemen ever. Even better that Mr 5 pt in one night Lyle Odelein.

      ‘This organization going forward must set its sights on competing for the game’s ultimate prize every season — and no lesser standard should be accepted.’
      —Geoff Molson, Canadiens owner and president

      • habtastic74 says:

        As a stated, Markov is quite possibly exempt from this largely due to the A on his shoulder.

        • RockinRey says:

          Hence the ridiculousness of the double standard!!

          ‘This organization going forward must set its sights on competing for the game’s ultimate prize every season — and no lesser standard should be accepted.’
          —Geoff Molson, Canadiens owner and president

          • habtastic74 says:

            I don’t really agree. Markov isn’t going to learn many more lessons in his career, and as Chris says below, his issues mainly just come from physical issues rather than mental. To each their own though.

      • Chris says:

        One thing that perhaps saves Markov (over and above his long career having earned him some slack) is that many of his gaffes are the result of diminished physical ability. He gets blown around on occasion simply because he has lost speed due to the surgeries.

        That is something that every coach will have to live with in Markov’s case.

        In Subban’s case, the gaffes are more often than not mental. He is one of the best athletes in the league, gifted with exceptional skating ability and strong as an ox. He probably doesn’t get the blind eye to his gaffes as a result…he shouldn’t get beat very often by simple speed.

        Personally, I think that Subban has been mishandled by Therrien. The continued lack of penalty killing duties is simply a puzzler for me: I believe killing penalties would help Subban’s overall game, as it is a more positional role that requires disciplined play. By taking Subban out of that role, and he was good at it under Martin/Cunneyworth, he’s basically been playing only as a libero on the PP and even strength. It encourages bad habits.

        • RockinRey says:

          I have to agree he has regressed this year. That is on him and the coach. I think someone like Robinson would have been better for his development.

          ‘This organization going forward must set its sights on competing for the game’s ultimate prize every season — and no lesser standard should be accepted.’
          —Geoff Molson, Canadiens owner and president

        • habtastic74 says:

          I am also fairly puzzled by the lack of PK on our PK. I understand minimizing his minutes in order to keep him fresh for even strength, but the extent to which he is neglected on the penalty kill is rather insulting I would think. Especially since rookies are routinely inserted into the penalty kill.

        • frontenac1 says:

          Agree Chris. Re/Markov.He is also the smartest guy on the ice.

      • Loop_Garoo says:

        Double standards exist because people are different. Some people are expected to be more accountable than others, as they have a greater degree of responsibility. A number 6 or 7 defenseman who makes a bonehead play is easy to forgive, it is expected, we should expect more from PK than from Tinordi or Cube, and hold him to a higher standard. As for Markov’s mistakes, he is a true professional, and has earned his position over many years. Nothing at all wrong with a double standard when applied to people that are not equal in position, talent or responsiblity.

    • RockinRey says:

      Emelin- was coming off an injury and was not playing to his standards- Who knows if this was a medical issue requiring rest.
      Frankie B- just does not have the ability to play 18 -20 min or whatever he has averaged lately
      Murray- is a pilon
      Tinordi- should not have been there after gaffe. For what ? To sit in the press box about making a bone headed play? Lets be get here.
      Gorges? Expendable . He has had his moments too

      ‘This organization going forward must set its sights on competing for the game’s ultimate prize every season — and no lesser standard should be accepted.’
      —Geoff Molson, Canadiens owner and president

  11. 24 Cups says:

    One of the things that has changed in the NHL is that whenever a solid, clean check is handed out a fight ensues. Galchenyuk’s unnecessary and uncalled for fight being a prime example. It will be interesting to see how this new phenomenon impacts the playoffs.

    $7M a season isn’t going to get Vanek signed. I love what he brings to the team and think the Habs should go after him. It will probably take an 8 year deal at around 8M a season, so fans have to be ready to pay this guy more than he’s worth for the second half of the contract. He only has one or two elite years left before he starts the inevitable decline that all +30 players experience.

    Talk about tough decisions, Ottawa has three UFA forwards in Spezza, Hemsky and Michalek. They are all going to want to hit paydirt but probably aren’t worth the money they will receive. Ottawa also has an owner who is hurting financially. You heard it here first – Michalek could easily be a Hab if Montreal can’t re-sign Vanek.

    I’m starting to worry a a bit about the Subban/Therrien saga. Subban is not God, he is not perfect and he is realistically having a subpar year based on his talent level and past performances. However, Therrien’s tug-of-war with Subban is now becoming counter-productive. MB needs to sit these two guys down and bring some form of closure to the simmering feud.

    In terms of tonight’s game, Tinordi with Subban and Beaulieu with Weaver works for me.

    • Paz says:

      Bergevin called Subban in for meeting after he was benched in Philly. That was 2 days after being named to the Olympic team.

      Who knows what was said? None of us, for sure.

      But Subban has not really played well since.

      People here just “assume” Subban deserves whatever Therrien gives him, and that’s their opinion.

      But if you were Subban, would you?

      Markov has made some terrible plays lately. The “pillar”was caught badly on Ottawa’s 3 rd goal leaving Emelin hung out to dry on a 2 on 1. That was a terrible play. It resulted directly in a goal against.

      Not a peep. Not a whisper. The pillar.

      • Mattyleg says:


        I don’t think you’re going to get too many people agreeing with you that Markov is a bad defenceman.

        Nor that he deserves that nickname.

        But it’s a good try!

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • WindsorHab-10 says:

      Like your idea about MB needing to sit with MT & Subban to bring some form of closure to this especially with us heading to the playoffs. We’re all sick of it.

    • CJ says:

      Spezza is not a UFA.

    • frontenac1 says:

      Michalek is the best of the bunch imo.

  12. nova scotia vees says:

    M.T employs a double standard when dealing with players. His buddy Frankie plays no matter what. Tinordi passed the puck directly to the point man on the first goal, but P.K. Gets benched. No player deserves to be humiliated. That is not coaching. That is spite and hate. I covered the AHL as a reporter for years and have watched hockey my whole life. I have never seen anything like this. I guess his hero must have been Coach Mario. P.K will leave, as he is a proud man.

    • RockinRey says:

      Major double standard going on. For instance any other vet taking an ill timed penalty does not face the same consequences.

      ‘This organization going forward must set its sights on competing for the game’s ultimate prize every season — and no lesser standard should be accepted.’
      —Geoff Molson, Canadiens owner and president

    • Paz says:

      On the second goal Desharnais lost a defensive face off. No one got to the point on time. A shot was taken and it was deflected.

      Subban was covering the guy who deflected the shot.

      Oh my! Bench him for a period! He sucks out there!

      What foolishness.

      As though Markov getting caught up ice on the 3rd goal was not an equally terrible mistake!

    • JUST ME says:

      I just do not think that there is one way to have players react and change their behaviour thus players being treated differently. Kids do not have the maturity to admit their wrong doing and do things differently. When you have been treated as a king and a hero and you get to the NHL why change ? A guy like Bouillon is a wise old man and can respond to criticism. The problem is he is a wise OLD man !

      Wow ! Humiliated ! Do you really think that they feel like it and for that matter that they care ? Come on get with it. They know why they are blamed and the boss remains the boss. And you know what ? At the end of the day tha player always win and the coach is always the first to go.
      With all due respect AHL and NHL are not in the same class and should not be compared.

      • nova scotia vees says:

        Yeah well I also covered the 76 Canada Cup, and the AHL team I covered had players named Robinson, Mondou, Carbonneau, Tremblay, Engblom, Dryden, LaRocque, Gainey, Lambert…and a few more you might remember. I guess you are way more qualified than I. Right! And if you think a pro athlete doesn’t have feelings, then you are just crazy.

  13. twilighthours says:

    Now on to the positivity.

    Patches is all-world. What a beauty. Really and truly becoming a complete player.

    Man the sens suck, and it is heaven putting the second-last nail in their coffin.

    Like normand said, it’s good fun seeing gryba exposed for what he really is.

    It would have been a garbage play, but I wouldn’t have minded seeing therrien call a timeout last night.

    • monmick says:

      I don’t agree with all the negative comments on Gryba. I think he is a respectable d-man. I have to assume that all the hate is directly related to last year’s hit on Eller. Contrary to popular opinion here, Gryba is not a dirty player. i would take him on my team ahead of many players the Habs have in the system, in fact ahead of a couple we have in the lineup…

      Another Sens d-man, Patrick Weircoch, played one of his best games this season last night. idon’t understand why the Walrus has been sitting him for most of the year…

      ~~~> Mathematically eliminated…

  14. JUST ME says:

    I have not heard Therrien put anyone on the team over any other member of the team and he is doing exactly what he should. Team first. Have you heard about Max the great ? D.D.? Price ? Nope .
    So why should he praise P.K. ?

    Just do not understand you guys. P.K. IS the best.P.K. deserved to be sent to the thinking corner if it is the way he will listen to the coach that`s it. 21 players.21 different ways to listen and get in the team concept.
    Main thing is the team won and we are heading to the playoffs ,the only canadian team to do so with a promissing core for future years .What more do you want ? A cup Stanley and P.K. for president i guess…

    • 24 Cups says:

      HI/O posters rarely give credit to other opponents who play for enemy teams. I guess it’s all part of being an over the top fan.

      Personally, I’d love to have a guy like Lucic on the Habs. Same goes for Gryba. The only guy I couldn’t stomach seeing on the Habs roster is Marchand.

      I also don’t hate Don Cherry. I detest the fact he has little to add in the way of true hockey insight, but I do admire that a career AHLer/failed NHL coach has made a bundle by playing the media shell game. Now PJ Stock is an entirely different kettle of fish.

      • Chris says:

        I would never want Lucic on the Habs. I don’t generally have a problem with giving opposing players credit, so my dislike of Lucic is not just because he is a Bruin. (I admire players like Chara, minus the Pacioretty hit, Bergeron, Krejci and Kelly.)

        I find Lucic to be one of the most detestable players in the league. He is absolutely a good player and plays a game that the Habs desperately need. But I would look elsewhere for a Lucic style player without the baggage.

        • 24 Cups says:

          Chris – I wonder if Lucic would have developed a bit differently if he had been drafted by the Habs. Maybe some of those detestable aspects to his game might have been ironed out or negated.

  15. WindsorHab-10 says:

    PK would be a Norris trophy finalist this year if we had a coach/coaching staff that had any hockey sense. Some fans don’t want to talk about the incompetence we have behind the bench because the team is winning despite that. Yes Mattyleg, I don’t analyze players and plays like the genius you’re and all I do is bash the coach. I will continue to do this until his last day behind the bench.

    • JUST ME says:

      Everything proves you wrong and you stick to your obsession. You have to be admired for that from someone i guess…

    • Mattyleg says:

      Hi Winny,
      How do you explain the way the team has been playing if the coach is as incompetent as you say he is?
      If we had another coach (not sure who your paragon of coaching is, but insert his name here) would we be first in the NHL? In the East? In our division?

      I’d honestly like to know what actual results (and not ‘he’d treat players better,’ because whether he does this or not is not proveable) would come from having a different coach.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • WindsorHab-10 says:

        How about a coach with a defined system or a coach that doesn’t continue to juggle his lines 75 games into a season. Better yet a coach that treats his players equally when they screw up & not just pick on a player or two & try to make examples out of him/them.

        • Mattyleg says:

          Okay, which coach does all the things you want?

          And you didn’t really answer my question, Winny.
          Would we be first in the East if we had a different coach? In the Division? In the NHL?

          And he’s benched Subban a couple of times, but never scratched him. He’s scratched Emelin and Murray and Tinordi, DD, Bourque.. etc. for bad play. But never Subban.

          I do agree that this is a double-standard: PK should have been a healthy scratch for a number of errors he’s made this year, but Therrien continues to treat him differently from the other defencemen.

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

  16. thehammer says:

    Well his line and team is hot. Does that count as warm?

  17. jmac21 says:

    I wonder if people will still be on here pumping Mike T’s tires when PK walks !!!!! And plays in TO or Boston. Playing with fire, he held out already and blaming him for every goal and embarrassing him by sitting him is going to cost us PK BUT we will still have Mikey behind the bench (I’m sure Price will be happy if let his buddy walk)

  18. twilighthours says:

    It is so exhausting watching national sports media constantly critique and rank Subban. Last night the cbc buffoons even dragged poor Cassie Campbell into it, asking her to choose between karlsson and pk. Ridiculous.

    I long for the days of Bob Gainey, who would actually stand up and defend his players. We already know that Therrien won’t pass up a chance to take a swipe at pk, but where is Bergevin in all of this? Is he enjoying watching all of this character assassination?

    • Paz says:

      When Bergevin hired Therrien they had to discuss key players like Subban and Price.

      You have to assume, therefore, that Bergevin and Therrien are on the same page when it comes to Subban.

      Bergevin is looking for a solution.

      Accepting the picks instead of matching an offer sheet is a perfect ” out” for him.

      • twilighthours says:

        If I were PK, I’d be looking for a change of scenery. Luckily, I’m a small man and he’s not.

        I have hope it can be salvaged. I see you’re too far gone.

        • Paz says:

          I imagine my sons or daughter in this situation. I ask myself, given the enormous talent Subban has, the choices he will have, what would I recommend to my kid?

          The money will be there, whether its the Habs or 29 other teams.

          It comes down to having a successful, enjoyable long career.

          And I would not recommend playing for Therrien.

          • monmick says:

            I would love for PK to stay with the Habs for a very long time. But if I had to give him honest advice, forgetting for a minute that I am a Habs fan, I would have to recommend that he go somewhere else. Sad really…

            ~~~> Mathematically eliminated…

          • Paz says:

            Exactly my point of view.

      • stevieray says:

        you may be on to something . Maybe PK is just to flamboyant for team. although he talks team , lately his play had led me to believe he’s only thinking of himself… Will be a interesting off season for sure…but I don’t think he,s worth near the 7 – 8 million .

      • 24 Cups says:

        Paz – Four first round picks would never equal a stud like Subban who is just 25 years old. Subban’s best six years start this October. MB needs to bring closure to the situation. Therrien needs to accept Subban’s exceptionalities and Subban needs to tighten up his game, especially his defensive mistakes that have become so repetitive.

        • Just a Habs Fan says:

          Paz can you read…your post is silly…PK is so great and exceptional but has to stop making his so repetitive mistakes…..man that sums it up……maybe you have it backwards…PK needs to stop making so many mistakes before the coach gives him all those good vibes…….

      • Loop_Garoo says:

        Yes, the perfect “Out” of a job quickly.

    • JUST ME says:

      Although i agree with your comment may i remind you that back then Gainey spoke about the fans the guttless Bs… Now it`s the medias making a big fuss and trying to sell papers since they do not have much to complain about anything else in habsland.
      Read the comments this morning on HIO and you see that many fans are falling in the trap. For me it`s much ado about nothing.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      I don’t think Subban should be benched to the extent of sitting for almost an entire period. A couple of shifts and an earful should be plenty.

      There is no denying that Subban has been pretty bad defensively for chunks of the season though. He made some terrible turnovers in the weeks leading up to the Olympics that created scoring chances and even a few late goals.

      He’s been even worse since his return from the Olympics. He’s a turnover machine and he often fails to pickup his man in front of the goaltender.

      All in all this season, he’s made some extremely ugly turnovers that have led to goals late in the games or very good scoring opportunities. He’s cost the Habs a few games and he’s lucky his teammates bailed him out by scoring late goals in a few others.

      I love the guy, as I type this I’m wearing his jersey, but he has been bad defensively, no question!

      • twilighthours says:

        This may all be true (May be true – I concede nothing) but irrelevant to the point I am trying to make. Many, many players in the league have bad games or weeks. We’ve even got a few on our own team (emelin, Murray, cube) who have spent long parts of the season in suckitudinal slumber. Nary a peep on them.

        It’s non-stop PK bashing on the English sports media in this country. Is Bergevin ok with that? That’s what I’m wondering.

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          No question Murray,Emelin and Bouillon make just as many glaring mistakes as Subban. The issue is that Subban is twice and even three times the player than those guys are. You expect mistakes from those three guys but not as many or more from Subban.

          I agree with you. Subban is probably unhappy and we’re running the risk of losing him. I’m just stating that he is not playing well.

    • Chris says:

      I agree, but P.K. does invite those types of critiques and comparisons. He would be the first to ask for the comparison, as he has been pretty confident that he should be mentioned as one of the best in the NHL since his second season.

      Getting compared to Karlsson, a guy that is routinely considered one of the top defencemen in the game, isn’t exactly a slight. I would be upset if they were comparing Subban to Dion Phaneuf. But if we’re talking about guys like Letang, Karlsson and Pietrangelo, that is pretty august company.

  19. nshab says:

    If Roy was coach PK would be the best D-man in the league again. MT is more concerned about his job then winning. This is why MB picked him over Roy. Roy would have told BM, you get the players and I’ll do the coaching. Here is my concern, MT will use DD line way to much and the other lines will stop playing. Pleks did not look good last night , he being pushed out of his role. Also what going to happen if they give Vanek the big contract and Patches is paid so much lower. Lets hope I am wrong.

    • Paz says:

      No one is commenting about Plekanec lately. Very quietly he’s been placed with Galchenyuk and Gallagher on a line that makes no sense and does very little.

      Wonder if Plekanec would like to be playing with Max and Vanek??

  20. JohnBellyful says:

    I dunno. PK being offered sheets just sounds so wrong.
    I don’t think he’d be OKKK with that.

  21. twilighthours says:

    Cj, the comment from your wife made from your account was genius.

  22. Castor says:

    If I were PK I’d be looking at offer sheets from every other team. It’s incredible the amount of disrespect he puts up with.

    • Paz says:

      Subban has the best agent in the game. He has also made some terrific business contacts and he understands exactly what he is worth.

      It’s business. It’s not about being disrespected. He could care less about Therrien.

      • fisher85 says:

        I agree, PK will ride the tide and come july, look out , he will get an offer he can’t refuse, and MB gets his way out and he can keep MT and watch him ruin the next talent he doesn’t like or the way he looks or acts. MT REMEMBER PITTSBURG…but truthfully the horse has left the barn.

  23. nshab says:

    Well don’t want to rain on our parade, but Vanek’s wife does not want to be in Montreal. I am hearing she wants to be someplace warm after their stay in Buffalo and NY. Lets hope MB and playing in the best hockey city in the world can make a difference.


  24. frontenac1 says:

    Hola Amigos! Fun game to watch last night. Parros takes care of Two tough guys without dropping his Mitts. That’s what a Real Enforcer is supposed to do. Tiny is learning the Trade and coming along just fine. PK benched? Maybe he said naughty words? No worries. He will sign long term with the Habs. Book it. Saludos!

    • stevieray says:

      Morn’ in Partner…she was a ole Barnburner of a game for sure .. Gotta love pay back 🙂 PK must have a lip on although he still says all the right things.will be a interesting off season regarding his agent ..who is one of the best and MB…but for now this ole boot is livin’ in the moment and lookin’ forward to the playoff ride…buckle up pilgrim !

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Yuppers. Even though George Parros has been terrible this year, his reputation still gives him some influence over other players.

      Zack Smith wanted no part of him when the game was completely out of reach where players would often fight.

      When Chris Neil and Parros were lined up and ready to go late in the 3rd you didn’t see Neil yapping and he didn’t have that stupid grin on his face. Neil looked very concerned.

      But ya, Parros defused the situation, prevented the game from getting real ugly and protected his teammates by taking Smith and Neil out of the picture.

      • twilighthours says:

        Funny how we all see things differently. How did parros help when Neil almost ripped gallaghers head off?

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          He can’t be everywhere…

          Parros defused a couple situations, that’s all. We’re not saying he solved all the world’s problems my friend.

          Instead of Neil and Smith whaling away on the Habs during the late stages of the game, smacking them around, trying to embarrass them, Parros took their attention.

          I like winning the game and not being beat up to go along with it. It’s called pride I guess?

  25. DipsyDoodler says:

    A couple of other thoughts.

    1. Budaj is great. What a fighter.

    2. Refs made the right call on the disallowed goal. Look at Smith deliberately punch Budaj in the shoulder.

    Moving. Forward.

  26. twilighthours says:

    Quibble time: montreal did not score seven UNANSWERED goals. The Habs scored seven straight goals, which were answered by one Ottawa goal.

  27. nshab says:

    PK gets booed because of the Canadian ( Toronto media ) in this country. Same reason the Habs have all those diving penalties. It’s hard to believe we live in free speech country when everything we read, watch or listen too comes from and is owned in Toronto. Then you have the CBC, which we all pay for but controlled from Toronto.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      The only time Subban gets booed is in another team’s barn because he’s a star player.

    • Loop_Garoo says:

      Many media outlets are in Toronto because that’s where most of the people are, and therefore where the market is biggest. They are in Toronto because it would be downright stupid not to be. The location of the office has absolutely nothing to do with PK getting booed, or with the habs getting diving calls against them. None, not one little tiny bit.

  28. Paz says:

    Habs will offer Subban around 6 million.

    I have predicted since the Olympics that the Leafs!! will offer sheet Subban somewhere north of 8 million.

    The Leafs bring in a star that shines for years to come. A local kid, marketable, the perfect fit! Subban becomes the face of the Leafs franchise.

    Subban can not turn this down. He accepts the offer.

    Habs? They take the picks. Bergevin tells everyone he needs the money for other players and he signs Markov right away for 3 years and 18 million. Pillar right?

    Everyone is happy.

    Especially Therrien who can’t figure out why Subban is not responding to him.

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      I think this is wrong on all counts.

      Moving. Forward.

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      It wouldn’t surprise me at all and not just the Leafs. I think in negotiations, Subban will want a short term contract until he is FA eligible. At least, this is what I would do under the circumstances.

      • Paz says:

        Subban can choose his future, I agree.

        There are so many teams and so many coaches who would love to have him, why would he settle for anything less than a perfect fit.

        This is far from a perfect fit in Montreal.

      • monmick says:

        If I was a star player, I would go short term as well. Especially with the way salaries seem to escalate year after year. I just don’t get the “security” attraction of a long term contract. For a star player, you are basically set for life after a couple of years in any event…

        ~~~> Mathematically eliminated…

  29. Hobie Hansen says:

    Good morning folks! Head isn’t hurting becasue I had to drive to pickup the girlfried in the middle of the game last night so no beer for me. 13 pints by the second period CJ, wow!

    Anyway, I said it earlier in the season and I’ll say it again, Max Pacioretty can score 50 goals in this league. I also said he’d score 40 this year. His snapshot is just plain ridiculous. He is a very special player, dare I say superstar.

    I have gone from the opinion of thinking it would be nice to sign Thomas Vanek to a reasonable contact this summer to praying we sign him by doing whatever it takes.

    That blueprint of the Vanek-DD-Max line is absolutely perfect. I’ve been begging for a couple of big and strong wingers that can put the puck in the net for years. We had one season of it with Erik Cole there instead of Vanek but unfortunately the rest of the team was in turmoil. Vanek is also substantially better than Cole!

    We have to sign this guy! 7 or 8 years at whatever he wants! Vanek is amazing himself but also opens the ice up for Pacioretty and David Deharnais and makes them both better too!

  30. JohnBellyful says:

    Posted last night …

    Agency: Hi, you’ve reached LineMates, the gateway to happiness. Are you a winger or a centre?
    Caller: I’m not sure anymore. That’s why I called. I thought I was a centre but they’ve also had me play wing and now I don’t know who I am. I was hoping you could find me a linemate I could click with and get my career back on track.
    Agency: You’re in good hands, Mr…… Mr….
    Caller: Eller. Lars Eller. But my linemates – all 11 of them – call me Larry.
    Agency: Nice to meet you, Larry. My name’s Larissa. Now, Larry, every forward has a wish list: score lots of points, make lots of money, and never have to back check. We can’t help you with the back checking, but we can help you score lots of points and make lots of money by finding the right people to play with. We did it with Getzlaff and Perry, Crosby and Kunitz, Nash and Young, Sedin and Sedin.
    Eller: Sedin and Sedin? The twins who have been playing together for years?
    Larissa: Separated at birth, Larry. Neither knew the other existed until Henrik started playing in the Swedish Elite League. Henrik wasn’t happy with who was on his line, gave us a call, we checked our files, and, bingo, found Daniel playing in a garage league. The rest is history.
    Eller: I’m impressed.
    Larissa: That’s what we do, Larry. LineMates introduces you to forwards you can connect with – deep in your own end, up the middle, in front of the net.
    Eller: Sweet! How do you do that, find the right person?
    Larissa: Our Relationship Consultants – what hockey teams call scouts – have all been trained at the HIO Institute of Higher Learning to carefully and intuitively bring together people based on their compatibility and Corsi values. Their line combinations are impeccable.
    Eller: Sounds very scientific.
    Larissa: It is. Did I mention chemistry? That, too. We then meet separately with the two candidates for the prospective pairing to ask some tough questions, to see how well they handle pressure: What’s your plus/minus? Have you ever taken a dumb penalty? Gone pointless longer than 10 games? Forgot to put on your jock strap? Tripped a coach in practice?
    Eller: Geez, those ARE tough questions.
    Larissa: It’s all about honesty, Larry. Linemates need to be open, forthright and comfortable with each other. So they can make a blind, behind-the-back pass and know the other guy will pick it up. Or angle an opponent toward the boards so his linemate can line him up for a bone-crusher.
    Eller: Ooh, I like that.
    Larissa: Thought you would. But the only way you can ever reach that level of performance, two people working as one, is to have every confidence in each other, become so synchronized in what you do that you finish each other’s sentences and you finish each other’s plays.
    Eller: Wow, I’m impressed. Tell me again some of the people you matched up.
    Larissa: Getzlaff and Perry. Stastny and Mackinnon. Bozak and Kessel.
    Eller: And you said Crosby and Kunitz, right?
    Larissa: That’s right. But I’ll be upfront with you, Larry. LineMates WILL find you a match but it doesn’t guarantee it will always be the first one that’s made. With Crosby, it took five wingers before we found the right combination. He’‘s just a hard guy to play with. But you see how well everything has worked out since – so the key is, you have to have patience.
    It’s like a date, Larry, you’re not going to score the first time out. But, who knows, maybe by the third, you’ll get a hat trick.
    Eller: You’ve sold me. In fact, I wonder, is it possible, could you find me two other forwards, not just one. That way we could have a dynamite line right off the bat.
    Larissa: Larry, LineMates doesn’t do threesomes. Let your coach earn his keep and have him complete the puzzle.
    Eller: You’re right. I’m sorry. It’s just that I’m a restricted free agent, and I got to consider all my options. Okay, let’s get started. What now?
    Larissa: That’s the spirit. I’m just going to go quickly through our database to find out who’s looking for a linemate, and is roughly the same size as you.
    Larry: Why?
    Larissa: You have a small centre and a big winger, or a big centre and a small winger, it hardly ever works out. It skews the dynamics …not to mention it looks kind of dumb, the two of you standing side by side out on the ice. We want our pairings to look terrific as well as be terrific. Hmmm, I think I found one. Older man, about your size. Hey, I think you know him.
    Larry: Who is it? Who? Who?
    Larissa: Yeah, you definitely know him. He’s on your team! Rene Bourque. What a surprise, eh, Larry? … Larry?

  31. HABitat4humanity says:

    If we could only wake up the scoring in Eller, Plecky, Gally & chucky, we would do amazing in the post season. Also we need more offensive zone time. Other than that, i think the habs are playing pretty darn good.

  32. nshab says:

    Don’t be surprise if PK is not part of this team next year. I believe they are keeping him confuse and frustrated. They want some team to take the shot with a contract and they will get the draft picks. Here is a solution, more him up to forward for the final games. Let him use that skill with Pleks line. Also you can still use him on the point with the power play. We have the extra D-man ,MT stop complaining about his D and us that skill as a forward. Release the PK Kraken.

  33. JF says:

    After the first five minutes, that was a fun game to watch, but I can’t figure out what has happened to the Senators this year. Last year they were one of the top defensive teams in the League, winning a lot of 2-1 and 3-2 games, despite missing key players for much of the season. I know a lot of it was goaltending, but this year they’re a mess defensively. I particularly enjoyed seeing Eric Gryba look bad; it was a bit of come-uppance for his hit on Eller in last year’s playoffs. Pylons like Gryba, as UCE points out further down the thread, would not be in the NHL if the game was called according to the rules. He can’t play hockey, simple as that.

    Fun as the game was to watch, it’s not the kind of hockey we’ll see in the playoffs. Games will be close, defence will be tight, and there will not be multiple chances to redeem errors. Our top line was spectacular last night, running a clinic of passing and creativity, but I can’t see this happening against Tampa. In fact, my worry is that they will be generally as ineffective and invisible as they were on Tuesday night. Most goals will be scored through hard work right around the net. The few goals we’ve scored on the Lightning this year have all been scored this way.

    Think back to last year’s playoffs and some of our other recent playoff series, most notably the two against Philly in 2010 and a couple of years earlier. We lost all these series by four games to one. In none of them did we succeed in establishing much of a net presence or in troubling the goaltender with a lot of chances close-in. After Tuesday’s game, I’m really afraid of the same thing happening this year. The Lightning, with their aggressive forecheck, will do their best to take time and space away from our skilled offensive players and will probably succeed in shutting down or at least containing our top line. We’ll need to score the kind of hard-working, ugly, gritty goals that we had so much trouble scoring last year. I’m not very optimistic about our chances of doing so.

  34. Flanelette says:

    Another mystery to me concerning PK: why does he get booed in so many rinks?

  35. DipsyDoodler says:

    The highest paid defencemen in the league:

    Weber, Shea $7,857,143
    Suter, Ryan » $7,538,462
    Campbell, Brian » $7,142,875
    Doughty, Drew » $7,000,000
    Chara, Zdeno » $6,916,667
    Bouwmeester, Jay » $6,680,000
    Boyle, Dan » $6,666,667
    Karlsson, Erik » $6,500,000
    Pietrangelo, Alex » $6,500,000
    Phaneuf, Dion » $6,500,000

    Moving. Forward.

  36. Shackles says:

    There was a “cute” article in the Ottawa Sun last week explaining how refs should apologize more to the Sens for doing them wrong. Unfortunately Ottawa, every team falls subject to a bad call from time to time….they just don’t cry about it in public.

    Funny how Smith had no problem chasing after our smaller players last night, but he sure ran away once Parros started tracking him down. Glad Parros didn’t have to square off with Neil. As much as I hate Chris “Can I change your oil?” Neil, he’s still one tough cookie.

  37. CJ says:


    What a night! Kicking some cobwebs out this morning, but headache aside, I’m feeling pretty good. Sorry, pretty excellent.

    Canadiens fans living in the Ottawa area might recall how the Sens enjoyed a string of success against our boys. Dating back to the inaugural season, Ottawa bested our heroes on opening night 5-2. Since than they have been a thorn in our side, culminating in a 4-1 series victory last spring. IMO, on March 15 we ruined the Senators season. Last night we humiliated them.

    No, I’m not blinded by the victory. We have underlying issues, but let’s set those aside this morning. We laid a major, plus an extra point on the Senators, in their building – one could say that it’s our building with the number of Canadiens fans in attendance.

    The game changed when Tinordi laid out Hemsky. Hemsky has been Ottawa’s best player since the deadline trade that brought him over for two draft picks. Up 3-0 and buzzing, Montreal needed a spark to get them going. That hit ended Hemsky’s night, and subsequently got the ball rolling for Montreal.

    Look, Tinordi makes mistakes. His game is rough around the edges, but this kid gets it. He recognizes time and place and is going to be a solid piece of the future. Although I was probably 13 pints into my night when he stepped up and hammered Gryba, the Sens were finished. Good on the coach and Parros to remind Zac Smith that he is mouse, not a man. Neil played the villain, but he failed to recognize that our pack mentality negated his theatrics.

    I was glad to see Eller buzzing and Briere chipping in. Lots to be proud of with Markov and Emelin blocking shots and stepping up their game. Weaver had a very good game. Budaj bounced back and was solid in the second and third periods. I was equally pleased to see that Bourque sat, as he doesn’t deserve to play. What a major upgrade it will be to have Prust in the lineup. When healthy, we also have depth in Weise, White and Moen.

    Bournival made a mistake on the fourth goal, and the team got lazy with their coverage, but I thought he and White had a very good night. To his credit Parros played the role of police officer very well and took in almost 10 minutes of ice time.

    Sorry, but I can’t bring myself to say anything negative this morning. A win is a win, except when it’s against Boston, Toronto or Ottawa. Last night was very special. I might feel like &$8@ this morning, but I’m the happiest man in the Ottawa Valley. Enjoy your day everyone! Cheers, CJ

    • Mavid says:

      right on..I hear ya CJ..its a great day to be a Habs fan in YOW..I won’t be saying a word..I don’t need to, but I will be sporting my Habs gear proudly…funny thing is, even though we won, Habs fans will be finding fault. The Sens fans on the other hand will still be praising their team and whining about the officiating yet again.

      Weed Wacker Grandma Smurf

    • monmick says:

      I thought the Tinordi hit on Hemsky was clean as it happened in real time, but looking at it again this morning I think it could have been called for interference. Also, I am not sure that is when Hemsky got hurt as he played several shifts afterwards…

      ~~~> Mathematically eliminated…

  38. Old Bald Bird says:

    I attended the game last night — first Habs game in almost 40 years. I wasn’t expecting too much from a team that has both clinched and been lazing around the sunshine state. The first 5 minutes confirmed my suspicions, but I resolved to enjoy whatever unfolded. Then Markov scored, and the world began to right itself.

    There was a sea of Habs fans near us on the third level who brought much noise and enthusiasm to the game. They got into ole and even na na na. They sang ole on the way out of the arena. What fun.

    I should attend a game in Montreal before I die. Hopefully, I have a few years to work it out.

    I wore my new Beliveau jersey, which seemed fitting since he played his final game on April 04 1971. I fit right into the sea of red jerseys.

    The only possible downer (which wasn’t really) was the muddy parking lot in the rain. Maybe they could pave that sucker.

    PS: The tickets (to me and my SIL) were a Christmas present from my daughter. It was the same for the Montreal couple sitting beside us. In the washroom queue a guy from Quebec started talking to me, and it was also a Christmas present for him. The guy nearest us chimed in that it was his Christmas present too. Fun game. Good gift.

  39. Stanley Cup or Bust ! says:

    There seems to be friction between PK & MT. But like the bear in the image, just go with it.

  40. Mattyleg says:

    “There has been something wrong with PK since the Olympics.”

    Hmm, I haven’t noticed anything in particular, apart from the fact that our previously-one-dimensional point-shot-power-play got figured out by the rest of the NHL, and were able to shut it down.

    PK has been playing the same kind of hockey otherwise, good posession, smart passes, good hits.

    Otherwise, the one thing I have noticed that has changed is that he is dipsy-doodling more with the puck than he was at the beginning of the season. This was clearly something that the Canadian selection team was not keen to see in a defenceman, so PK worked (probably with the coaching team’s encouragement) to get that out of his game.

    Fans complained and complained that he was being stunted and held back, and subdued… etc. etc. Then he was chosen for Team Canada: huzzah.

    Then after coming back, PK lapsed into his old habits of trying to skate around the other team in his own zone. This is obviously not looked lightly upon by the coaching staff, who want responsible play from their D corps.

    Most of us can agree that his fiddling around with the puck in his own zone is annoying. Get the puck, and get it out, or start a rush if you’re not under pressure. That’s all.

    The sooner he agrees to play like that, the sooner we’ll see more of him.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Chris says:

      The one very noticeable area where I’ve seen significant regression for Subban is defensive zone faceoffs. Last night was just another in a fairly long line of missed coverage off a draw by Subban in his own zone. That is usually simply a concentration thing.

      • twilighthours says:

        He used to break the forecheck by just getting there first and skating it out of trouble. Now he’s looking over his shoulder and slowing up to absorb the hit. This has put him and the team in a world of confusion.

    • Habfan17 says:

      I agree! Pk is having issues with hos timing of trying to carry the puck out. He still is making those great first passes that catch opposing teams flat footed. I find his penchant for “zig zagging” while leading the rush annoying and it puts the rest of the players off. If as you mentioned, he just headed straight up when the opportunities were there, he would be much more effective.

      I am not concerned, he is still young for a defenceman. If the problem is due to his not listening or not wanting to change, then maybe we should be concerned. I have not heard anything that would give me reason to believe that is the case.


  41. Cal says:

    Always spot your nemesis 3 goals before humiliating them. That was one weird ass first period. Sens 4th goal (the first time) should have counted, but the ref remembered last year’s kicked in goal and decided to screw Ottawa over. At least it looked that way.

    Since that meeting with Bergevin, PK has played some very bad hockey. He’s also been brilliant. Somehow, in a 7-4 win, he managed to be -3.
    So, what gives? I think he holds on to the puck waaaaaaaaaaay too long. Simple outlet passes work. There is no need to dazzle us with every single play, even if he can play keep away. If he can get back to making quick, clean passes he’ll be more than fine.
    I think he rebounds in the Detroit game tonight and gets back to playing smart, high speed hockey.

  42. JUST ME says:

    Man ! We`ve had entertainment this season ! Real exciting game as every game against those two have been this season .In my book before last season they used to be snorefest ,the Sens team being so colourful…

    Max Pac just does not get the praises that he deserves. We have been looking for ages and still are searching for a power forward and we have probably the best one right here ! This line has had 43 points in the last 13 games ! Awesome !

    Now there is a lot of blablabla about you know who but the answer to our questions was in out face yesterday. I grant you that goaltending is not the Sen`s forte but to get to him you have to get through the D-squad. That D squad get praises for their individual talents and promissing future but put as a group they stink . The Karlson kid is a Norris Caliber type but defensively…THEY ARE YOUNG .That is the reality ,same one that makes P.K.Tinordi and aother kids take the wrong decisions. Nothing dramatic just the normal growing process with wich you acquire maturity. But you guys want them in the NHL ! So don`t complain ! This is not a kindergarden.

    Hat`s off to Bubaj for having tended a very solid and trust building game. This was a very impressive performance after having had a bad first minutes of the game.

    Was a very good game and tonight is another kind of challenge that is a timely test for the Habs as the game against the Black Hawks will be. No place for sloppy games à la Ottawa in the playoffs so better be ready!

    And finally for the first time in years i`d like to congratulate the refs for their work yesterday. I do not remember refs acting as they did to prevent what everyone agreed would be a staged fight. Now was that hard to do?

  43. Chris says:

    Don’t expect too many RFA offer sheets on Subban. Too many teams have their own salary cap gymnastics to deal with.

    Philadelphia is of course the one exception. They have shown a willingness to put in a bid if a good player comes along. They have cap space, with about $10-12 M available and only Kimmo Timonen’s position representing a major need. It is a natural fit for the Flyers.

    But for that RFA bid to have any hope of being successful, one that the Habs wouldn’t simply match, it has to be a bigger offer than what Subban might expect otherwise. We pretty much all assume that Subban won’t sign for a nickel less than $7.5 M, and he’ll probably be looking at $8+. For Bergevin to hedge, the Flyers would probably have to over $9 M. Can they afford that? Are they willing to give up 4 first round picks as compensation?

    If Subban had been playing All-World this season, the answer might be yes. But Subban has not been a Norris Trophy winner this season. He shouldn’t be in the top-5, and you could make an argument that he’s not a top-10 NHL defenceman this year.

    Shea Weber, Ryan Suter, Drew Doughty and Duncan Keith are probably the top four in the league, based on consistent performance in all aspects of the game. Zdeno Chara has seen his offensive numbers drop, but he is still an impact defender. Niklas Kronwall might be the most underrated of the top defenceman this season, putting together a very nice all-around season for the Red Wings. Oliver Ekman-Larsson, Ryan McDonagh, Alex Pietrangelo and Victor Hedman are all young defenceman whose level of play is right there with (if not beyond) that of Subban this season.

    And then you have the wild-card, Erik Karlsson: he remains the best offensive defenceman in the NHL by a significant margin, but his defensive play is questionable. How do you compare him to Subban?

    I could easily see Subban ranked anywhere from 5th to 11th in the league among defenceman. My own Norris Trophy ballot for this season would probably be something like:

    1. Shea Weber
    2. Ryan Suter
    3. Drew Doughty
    4. Ryan McDonagh
    5. Duncan Keith
    6. Zdeno Chara
    7. Oliver Ekman-Larsson
    8. Niklas Kronwall
    9. Victor Hedman
    10. Alex Pietrangelo
    11. P.K. Subban
    12. Erik Karlsson

    • SlovakHab says:

      This season, Mark Giordano is better then most of guys on your list.

      • Chris says:

        I would include him in there, but he missed almost a quarter of a season. If it weren’t for that, he would be in the top-3 if he maintained his play all season long.

      • matrags says:

        if there has been a marked falling off in Subbans play ,then surely there must be a reason why? WHY? Is the question and what complicity rests on the coaching staff on how he has been handled?

    • CJ says:

      I’d rank PK, in almost the same position, based on the entire season. Since the game in Dallas, I’d say he’s been outside the top 30. Up to that point I’d say he was top five. Again, overall, he is somewhere around 15th.

      I appreciate that this is a subjective statement, but I stand by my point dating back before the Olympics when the majority said that Pietrangelo was nowhere near as good as PK. I said it than, and I’ll say it again, Pietrangelo is the better overall player. He just signed long term for $6.5 million. How do we jump to PK being worth $8-$9 million a season? I don’t see it.

      • Chris says:

        The issue here is the number of years on those contracts.

        Compare the two players side-by-side:

        1st year: both entry level ($875,000)
        2nd year: both entry level ($875,000)
        3rd year: both entry level ($875,000)
        4th year: Subban – $2,000,000; Pietrangelo – $5,000,000
        5th year: Subban – $3,750,000; Pietrangelo – $5,500,000
        6th year: Subban – ???; Pietrangelo – $6,500,000
        7th year: Subban – ???; Pietrangelo – $7,000,000
        8th year: Subban – ???; Pietrangelo – $7,000,000
        9th year: Subban – ???; Pietrangelo – $7,000,000
        10th year: Subban – ???; Pietrangelo – $7,500,000

        Players and agents don’t use age as their metric, they use NHL experience. By that metric, Subban is already $4.75 M behind Pietrangelo because he took a lowball offer two summers ago.

        If Subban were to take a 5 year contract at the same level of Pietrangelo, he would have an average cap hit of $7,000,000. If he also wants to make up for the money he didn’t get when he got bridged instead of a long-term deal like Pietrangelo’s, he adds about $1 M to that total.

        If he then factors in the taxes between Montreal and St. Louis, he’s going to up it even more. In 2012, a $7,000,000 salary in Montreal pays out $3,640,313 but pays out $4,196,067 in St. Louis. That is $500,000 extra per year that Pietrangelo earns over Subban. Throw that on the pile. Yes, NHL players do have accountants that help them hide their money, but there is still a significant disadvantage for Canadian teams.

        Suddenly, you are looking at a 5-year, $8.5 M per season contract for Subban just to catch up to Pietrangelo. That contract does not at all take into account inflation or a growing salary cap.

        • CJ says:

          Very well. Would you take Pietrangelo, straight up for PK?

          • Chris says:

            I probably would, as I think the two players are basically equivalent in impact. Pietrangelo, from my limited viewings of him, is prone to making horrific defensive gaffes as well. He is luckily partnered with a savvy veteran in Bouwmeester who happens to be both mobile and positionally sound.

  44. Habitforming says:

    Aside from Smith beating PK to the net for a rebound I have no idea how you can lump the other goal on him.

    Being beaten to the net is a far cry from being blown around turning the play into a two on one and scoring. (Yep that’s the guy that can do no wrong no matter what, and most can’t wait to sign his wonky play to a $6M/4 year deal Markov)

    I think this benching crap through the season is nothing more than a tactical play for contract negotiations.

    I know it sounds far fetched, but is there any other reasonable explanation for the way we have treated our first Norris winner in 20 years? Anyone?

  45. boing007 says:

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  46. Habfan10912 says:

    Good morning folks. I don’t understand the negativity on this site this morning. I enjoyed that win as much as any this season. Nothing like seeing an unhappy Walrus plus Mavid, CJ and others have bragging rights in their hometown.

    A couple weeks ago I mentioned the maturation of Max Pacioretty. He is becoming before our eyes a STAR player in this league. Soon we will have a 50+ goal scorer on the team.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I am more convinced than ever that he was playing through some kind of injury earlier in the year. He has that explosiveness back in his stride, he is playing all ends of the ice and he is loving his linemates. What a joy to have this guy on our team.

    • Stanley Cup or Bust ! says:

      People would rather have the boring 1-0 or 0-1 midseason games.

    • CJ says:

      Good morning Jim! Today is a great day. I’m at the cottage up in the Ottawa valley, but I’ll be driving right past the CTC on Sunday. I’ll stop and pick up some flowers so the family can pay our respects to the end of the Senators season. If Montreal fans, myself included, would stop going to the games and lining Melnyk’s wallet, the franchise would likely be relocated within five years.

  47. hbghab says:

    If PK was playing for a team in the USA MB would be getting a call from REV Al Sharpton today.

  48. matrags says:

    Man that P. K Subban must have thick skin. A Norris winner at twenty four he gets no respect. Benched ,Benched! Benched , How many times this yr.,on games broadcast across the nation has he been humiliated by the coach as broadcasters. Revel in the put down. NO one ,n o one, on this team, of his caliber,despite mistakes too numerous to mention have suffered the the enormity of the indignity that has been heaped on him. In the face of it all he has smiled ,taken it for the team ,said the right things,and soldiered on. What goes on here, what standard is being applied here , why?. No coach , no organization , would so casually and repeatly demean a star player, intentionally imbarrass him, what gives?

    • Just a Habs Fan says:

      matrags…if you think PK is being embarrassed by being benched imagine how he feels about the terrible plays he is making. He is a turnover machine for the past couple of months…..and getting worse. I know…I know it’s MT’s fault that PK is having so many issues. Give me a break. Ever heard of making less mistakes and playing more. That is how it works I think.

      • Habitforming says:

        If that was truly the case would Murray, Bouillion and Markov really be playing more than PK?

        they all make loads of mistakes and never get benched or hung out to dry in the media.

        • Mattyleg says:

          The difference is that those guys make mistakes while trying to do the right thing. That’s not punishable. Everyone makes mistakes.

          PK (and other D-men who have ridden the bench) gets benched for making mistakes while trying to do the wrong thing.

          …and he hasn’t been hung out to dry in the media.

          Man, some people have thin skin.
          Good thing it’s a grownups league.

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • matrags says:

            Your reply has the faint taint of satisfaction in it, as if it’s about time the boy was brought down. Allmost like that’s. More like it. PK Subban is being mishandled, and if not for his over the top attitude of laying back and taking it for the team ,he would be out of here.His benching ,in light of what goes on on the rest of the team suggests that he is the victim of a double standard, and the why of the situation presents the far greater problem.

          • Mattyleg says:

            He is far from a victim of a double standard.
            Fans are too worried about him.
            Good thing they don’t play for big mean Therrien!

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Mattyleg says:

      Poor embarrassed PK.
      If he stopped trying to deke out the opposition in his own zone, he’d probably be less embarrassed.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

  49. stevieray says:

    Is PK to flamboyant for this team ?…Although he puts up the points and is highly entertaining I,m wondering if he is a good fit going forward…certainly not for the 7 – 8 mil per year as some are quoting.
    his play both defensively and offensively been less that spectacular since the Olympics …..as this experience appears to have had ales than favourable affect on him …the question is what would be the effect on him if he got the Big money some are suggesting. Will Abe a I
    Net resting off season. With his agent and MB …but we are in the playoffs So I ‘ ll enjoy our run and cheer our team on ..

    • Loop_Garoo says:

      We almost need to add another flamboyant personality or two, not sure who, but on the 3rd or 4th line. It would help create a bit of a team identity and take some of the spotlight off P.K. I would hate to lose Subban, one of the leaque’s elite young d-men, he has been off for a couple months, but will be a great defenseman for years to come.

  50. rhino514 says:

    What I would like to have seen from the club over the past ten games are 3-2 wins with one goal a game coming from second or third line.
    The bad news first: Secondary scoring continues to be almost non-existent. Sooo happy about Eller´s goals tonight; I had actually given up on him for the season (still don´t think we should count on him, offensively, too much this season, though he was stupendous on the PK), and was focusing on Gionta and Briere finding a higher gear, one last time. Boone keeps saying over the last 10 games that the Captain is playing good hockey; I´m quite sure he is foechecking furiously, but we need an offensive threat from this line. As we do from the kids and Pleks, though the kids´ability is not in question; at this point, Briere´s and Gionta´s is.
    Second, the defence remains porous. Granted we are seeing some April pond hockey games due to teams being out of contention, but keep in mind, the team played boring hockey for 60 games this year just to be able to make the adjustment easier come playoff time, and supposedly give us an advantage. Games such as yesterday´s are not what we need. And for the first time ver, I am not 100% sure that we will see the Grade A version of Subban cokme playoff time.

    On the plus side, the Weaver pickup was a masterful move. He is playing far above expectaions, and who would have thunk he has essentially filled the hole we had in top four, a rightie no less, without nary a cost to us! The return of Gorges, in my mind, could make the D adequate enough, if not spectacular, considering that Price and the general defensive team mentality will make life easier on the blueliners.
    So two concerns heading into the playoffs; SOME secondary scoring, and Prust´s (especially) and the grinders´health. Make no mistake, the team misses a healthy Prust, and if he is relatively himself come playoff time, he alone has that ability to make that one key play, key because it is unexpected, that can change the course of a series. Two of Weise, Moen, and Bournival can also eat up minutes and allow the team to roll four lines.

    • Mike Boone says:

      Excellent points, man.
      I’ve liked Gionta in the role he can fill at this stage of his career: third-line checker and PK player. With the occasional goal.

      Mike Boone
      Hockey Inside/Out blogger

      • Chris says:

        With no farm player in the system ready to make the jump, I think Bergevin has to think hard about holding onto Gionta. But what will it take?

        Gionta will probably be looking for his final contract…something like a 3- or 4-year deal. He probably won’t settle for a bargain basement amount, so let’s say $3-4 M per season. I don’t think the Habs can afford that for what he gives them.

        I like Gionta and agree that he is almost a prototype 3rd line player for a Stanley Cup contender. But he might be just too rich for the Habs’ blood.

        • RockinRey says:

          I would prefer the team turned the page on Gio. A 3-4 yr deal would be out of the question if I were MB and doing that deal.

          His offensive drop-off has been pretty substantial and far from what the Canadiens were expecting from him .

          If you see him as a stop gap until someone is more suited to take over a yr to yr or 2 year contract at substantially less money is in order.

          ‘This organization going forward must set its sights on competing for the game’s ultimate prize every season — and no lesser standard should be accepted.’
          —Geoff Molson, Canadiens owner and president

  51. Savardian Spin-o-rama says:

    This team cannot play a full 60 minutes of solid hockey. They did it once this season that I can remember, the win against Chicago back in January. Yet, they find a way to win. As someone else pointed out, the Habs remind me of last year’s Leafs. They pulled wins out of a hat all year long too. Will it last through the playoffs? We’ll see. Maybe with Prust, Weise, and Moen back in the lineup along with Gorges things will settle down a bit, especially in our own end.

    One other thing that needs to be addressed fast: the Plecky line is awful. What are they supposed to bring to the party? Goals? Not happening. Stellar defensive play? Not happening? Puck possession? Not happening. Break them up MT. Put Chucky in the press box for a few games too. Except for the occasional brilliant pass, he does nothing out there.

    ~~ You’ve been spun ~~

  52. 4m3y2j says:


    Know what you speak of before you say it.Pleks has been a major asset to this team the entire season.His tireless work ethic and skill set is unparalleled on this team.He does so many little things right to make his line mates better.He is there to school G&G on defense,which they lack,and wins cups .
    john slattery

  53. HabinBurlington says:

    Happy to see the team come back again! Big 2 points.

    Beaulieu in lineup tonight for PK perhaps?

    • SlovakHab says:

      Good morning.
      At this stage, the games are close to meaningless. Yes, home ice “advantage”… But if you fail to win both at home, your advantage is gone.

      By PK you mean PK Subban?
      You just suggested we healthy scratch PK Subban?
      Way to treat our most talented player. First, lowball him on a contract negotiation. Then, bench him for any mistake he makes. Play Bouillon next him. To top it off, let’s healthy scratch him. He will surely sign for a big discount at the end of season!

      To be honest, if I am PK Subban, I am out of Montreal as soon as I can. He would be a rock star somewhere in California with 0% chance to be coached by someone like Therrien.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      It’s funny that after PK’s benching he played much better and the coach was ready able and willing to take the credit for that.

      I’ll be the first to admit that since the Olympics there has been something wrong with PK’s game but this talk about his treatment pushing him out the door is interesting. The way I look at it, PK’s play is costing him and his agent, huge dollars. The talk of a $8 million salary is a faint memory and the $7 million is beginning to look like rear view mirror material as well.

      Hopefully, PK will find his game and he’ll have a great playoff run.

  54. zephyr says:

    pleks hasn’t done much & he floated last nite. it’s chuck & Gallagher u notice on that line. I think pleks can be replaced as a checking ctr with eller next yr. there’s $5 mill saved. eller is a keeper.
    gryba was suspended 2 games for his cheap hit on eller last yr.. murray gets 3 for a more incidental hit where the guy skates off the ice. what the heck is that?! is shanahan rolling a die for the length of suspension?
    our small fwds did not thrive against Ottawa’s goon tactics last nite – except dd – & I think dd was saved by having 2 big, talented wingers. I think we can expect a lot of that in the playoffs. small guys are also a liability in our own end when we play that stupidly predictable game of clearing the puck around the boards. I think gio & briere have got to go next yr too. prob is we don’t have much to replace them with. 3 guys absent last nite should play: weise, bourque & prust. I would find room for murray & tinordi on d too. that means deciding between georges & weaver. frankly, I like weaver better.
    glad Ottawa lost so badly esp when they needed to win so badly. I think Ottawa played with some desperation & that may have been the reason for their edge in territorial play. they took some chances being so aggressive & max burned them for it. hope the walrus gets fired.

    • Loop_Garoo says:

      Pleks has always been someone that can go un-noticed unless he puts up a couple goals. The reason is he just does every little thing right, 100% effort on every shift, usually no mistakes. He must be a coaches dream.

  55. Un Canadien errant says:

    Another wacky games against the Senators, which again goes in the Canadiens’s favour, for a 7-4 win, which should catalyze the summer of change coming in Ottawa.

    There were many stars for the Canadiens in this game, many had a hand in the come-from-behind win, but none looms larger than Craig Anderson, who allowed the Canadiens back in the game after his team took a 3-0 lead. Mr. Anderson clearly flubbed the assignment, starting with Andrei Markov’s goal on a weak shot from behind the goal line that he knocked in his own net, which triggered the avalanche of seven unanswered goals. From there, he didn’t butcher anything quite so badly, but was so feeble generally that he finished with a .696 (!) save percentage, and that’s after he padded his stats with a few routine saves at the end of the game, easy ones that earned him some derisive cheering from the crowd.

    Peter Budaj also looked like he’d be in for a rough night, letting in three quick goals within the first five minutes of the game, and which caused everyone to wonder if he should be pulled and replaced with Carey Price. Marc Denis on RDS was categoric that you couldn’t put in Carey after deciding he should get a night off in preparation for the game the following night in Detroit.

    So Mr. Budaj toughed it out, and got back on track, heartened by the offensive support from his teammates, who managed to tie the game before the first intermission, and get him the lead shortly into the second period. Peter also got help from the referees who waved off one goal that looked upon replay as if it should have counted, and from his posts twice. At the end of the night, he’d picked himself off the canvas and won an impressive game, in which he’d made 39 saves on 43 shots. He deserves some accolades for his hard work, and permitting the coaching staff’s intent to rest Carey to go ahead as planned.

    We saw some pre-playoff refereeing in the way the officials allowed the Senators to attempt to intimidate and thug away when they thought the game was out of reach. They let a lot of things slide, and the Sens ‘tough’ guys, emboldened, took the proverbial mile.

    Brendan Gallagher was bodychecked twice, before being hit a third time by Erik Karlsson. I have to applaud Alex Galchenyuk for rushing in and taking on the Sens’ defenceman in response. While the hits on Brendan were legal for the most part, Alex took a correct reading of the situation, and realized that the Senators were going to try to beat on the Canadiens, taking advantage of their size advantage. If the Canadiens were going to retaliate, who better to do so than on their All-Star, and send a message that there would be consequences for their actions? While the ensuing scrum was not highlight worthy, with Erik Karlsson grabbing Alex in a headlock and wrestling him to the ice, it still was a worthwhile effort.

    Later in the second, after Eric Gryba boarded Daniel Brière, Jarred Tinordi stepped up and fought him, again responding to their attempts at intimidation. While the Gryba hit was not penalized as it should have been, and Jarred picked up an extra two-minutes in the box, that he tempered the Sens crosschecker and neutralized him again sent the right message.

    As the game wore on and seemed to fall out of reach for Ottawa, Chris Neil did his thing and tried to take on Tomas Plekanec and Brendan Gallagher. Alex Galchenyuk swooped in from behind and put an end to it, and the refs sent Mr. Neil off for fourteen minutes.

    This is where the injuries to Brandon Prust, Travis Moen, Dale Weise and the suspension to Douglas Murray hurt the Canadiens, in that we didn’t have enough bodies to counter the Sens when it came to the rough stuff. We can hope that this situation will resolve itself in time for the playoffs.

    The refs were surprisingly effective in the third, when they banished Zack Smith, who had been running around picking on everyone smaller than him, ending his night with a two and ten minutes for slashing Alexei Emelin. The Sens’ centreman had been warned by the refs yet continued his nonsense, and they nipped any further mayhem in the bud. Good call by them, and a late goal by the Sens also helped to cool off tempers, narrowing the gap to 7-4 and giving them a reason to focus on hockey rather than thuggery.

    In this last two minutes, when Chris Neil had returned and the result was no longer in doubt, Coach Therrien again deployed George Parros, who had been used on an earlier shift to parry with Zack Smith and give him a worthwhile foil. Messrs. Neil and Parros lined up for the faceoff, jawed at each other for a second, jousted with their sticks, and immediately the refs stepped in and sent them both off the ice with misconducts. Again, very wise and appropriate moves, surprisingly so, and it makes you wish that this sort of thing happened more often, that these types of players be removed before they engender their mayhem, not after the ice is covered in sticks and helmets and gloves and blood, as occurs usually. And I let out a sigh of relief, that George managed to play a role and deter some lunacy, without actually having to fight and risk his noggin.

    Speaking of lunacy, let me speak of Eric Gryba, the 6’4″, 225 lbs ‘defenceman’ of the Sens, who stands astride the NHL as a titan with his four-year, six-goal collegiate career, and his fourteen-goals-in-200-games stint in Binghampton. We saw him out of his depth tonight, chugging ineffectually after Max Pacioretty, falling on his keister and batting the puck through the slot right to Brian Gionta which led to Lars Eller’s goal, generally being Chara-esque in his confusion, ineffectiveness and ungainliness.

    The only reason Eric Gryba is in the league is because he’s big and strong, it’s not because he can play hockey, because he can’t. The only reason he can stay in the league is that for every crosscheck or slash or elbow he dishes out that draws a penalty, nine more go unnoticed/unpunished. With these odds, Eric Gryba becomes a way for a desperate coach/organization to counter the Daniel Brières and the Brendan Gallaghers, so he pollutes the league with his thuggery. There’s a value proposition for having him on your team. If the game was refereed by the book, as it should be, he would disappear from the game, and be replaced with a smaller player who can actually play.

    And the game would be safer. Gary Bettman looks pinched and supercilious when the question of player safety is brought up, he condescendingly rattles off measures taken and stats to indicate there’s no problem with his league, but there is. And he’s responsible. There’s a pervasive, structural unsafe work climate in the NHL, and he’s not doing anything about it, because Don Cherry. He doesn’t want to upset Mike Milbury and weather his “pansification” tirades, so he keeps the ship pointed in the same direction, right at the iceberg.

    There’s a misconception that if all the penalties that should be called were called, the game would lose its toughness and physical side. It wouldn’t. The big lummoxes who can’t play, they’d get lost, but they’d be replaced by guys who are 5’11” who can actually skate, who can actually play. They’d be just as intense, just as physical as the 6’4″ statues, but the show would be much better, and the risk of injury for all players would go down.

    A quick word about the #1 line, which did its job tonight chipping in four goals, three by Max. As was pointed out on RDS, while Thomas Vanek doesn’t wow anyone on the backcheck, when he’s cycling the puck in the corners, he’s surprisingly physical and effective. After shouldering aside Niklas Kronwall in Detroit, tonight he brushed aside Chris Phillips on David Desharnais’ goal. David is starting to shoot more, which is a positive. On this goal, he outwaited Craig Anderson and put the puck in the open net. We often talk of his small size as a detriment, but this was one play where his agility and quickness, which he derives from his stature, were too much for the opposition goalie.

    Max’s hat trick gets him really close to fourty. I wrote that I thought he had a shot at it after the Panthers game, now it’s all but in the bag, right? At the rate he’s going, we should set the bar at fifty now. He’s confident, his teammates are clicking, let’s go for it. Watching them smile and celebrate together, you got the sense that they were turning it down a notch, trying to not rub it in in front of the Sens, but there’s a bonne entente there, and I hope it carries into the playoffs.

    So mission accomplished, two points in the bank for les Glorieux, and the Sens’ playoff chances stand at 0%, according to the Sports Club Stats site. Actually, it’s a 0.024% chance of making the playoffs. Not to short them or anything.

    My sources are unreliable, but their info is fascinating.–Woody Paige


  56. SlovakHab says:

    Poster Da Hema took the words out of my mouth.

    The Habs situation is really unsettling, and almost all impact players outside Pacioretty and Price have regressed.
    Subban situation worries me the most, followed by getting outpossessed and outshot most games.

    We are currently Leafing it. We laughed at them when they came down to earth, but here’s hoping it won’t happen to us, especially not in the first round.

  57. Habcouver says:

    Anyone watch CBC’s game with Dean Brown commentating? zzzzzz…
    Almost made me wish hearing the call from Hughson.

    We Are (Not) All Canucks.
    Proudly Canadian but passionately Canadien!

  58. chilli says:

    The reality is that MT knows more about PK than any of us. He’s been hard on the guy for sure, but maybe he is right. Keeping him on the ice when he is off his game could have led to us being down 4-0 or 5-0.
    Who knows how many times this season when MT nailed PK’s ass to the bench it was simply for the betterment of the team on that given night – as opposed to just being harsh with PK – which many posters think he is being.
    While I do think MT is far harsher on PK than let’s say Frankie Boo, so be it. But I’ll tell you what – while Frankie does not have PK’s skill – he doesn’t blow an easy faceoff assignment…known as putting your body between the opposition and the net. Boo never blows those. Ever.
    He suffers in other areas.

    This Weaver guy was a great pick-up.


  59. Timo says:

    Did anyone see Gagne’s shootout goal? Sick.

  60. johnnylarue says:

    I’ve come to realize and accept that these Habs don’t do “perfect games”.

    Their wins are sloppy, scrappy affairs. They concede far too many scoring chances, and generally can look extremely disorganized at both ends of the ice for long stretches of every game they play.

    They’re opportunistic, and as the saying goes, “they find a way to win”. And that’s awesome!

    But I do think a more disciplined team with a tighter system (i.e. Detroit, as mentioned by M. Boone) would really shine a spotlight on their bad habits over the course of a seven game series.

    Will be interesting to see if the coaching staff can push the right buttons and tighten up the D in time for the playoffs.

    PP certainly needs practice, plain and simple.

    Nice to see Ottawa crumbling like a house of cards, and glad it could happen while memories of last spring are still somewhat fresh…

    • Marc10 says:

      Tomorrow will be interesting. Both teams coming back to back games. Subban should be rested. He’ll get one more crack at showing Babs what he can do. Here’s hoping we get an all-world performance from PK (the last I recall was against Dallas where he put on a clinic…)

      This game was all about the Sens trying to injure our guys. They didn’t succeed and they got spanked on the scoreboard. Why couldn’t Anderson play like that last year?

      Very happy for Patches and his linemates. He’s got 40 goals in his sights now. Wow! Who would have thought that was coming with his (and DD’s) slow start?

      Chalk up another win. Let’s do it again tomorrow. It’d be good to give a playoff bound team a good tune up before the real season begins.

    • JF says:

      Tampa plays a tight, disciplined system. They also use a very aggressive forecheck that makes it difficult to establish any flow through the neutral zone. If we play the way we did last night against them, they’ll certainly shine a spotlight, as you put it, on our errors.

      • DipsyDoodler says:

        Agreed but we also usually play a tight defensive system. Playing Ottawa is like dating someone emotionally unstable. It’ll put anyone off their game.

        Moving. Forward.

  61. CH Marshall says:

    I’m happy we won, and I’m a Subban fan. I found myself thinking how I wish Subban would copy the General’s example. I suppose that will take time. But what Boone suggests will ( i think) definately become reality with the offer sheets. I’d say probably around three or four teams will make an offer.

    Subban will NOT stand another season of being benched. That’s for sure.

    • johnnylarue says:

      Three or four teams won’t make an offer–there simply aren’t that many brazen a-hole GMs in the league who’d want to break the bank for Subban.

      But one? It could definitely happen.

      I think pretty much everyone who isn’t Michel Therrien feels the benching tonight was ludicrous… even if it’s hard to argue with the results.

      So no, I can’t imagine PK would want to put up with another 8 years of that, but I don’t imagine he’ll have to. A GM simply wouldn’t tolerate a coach who benches a guy he’s paying $7+ million a season to play big minutes.

      • Loop_Garoo says:

        Exactly, there is an outside chance that one GM makes an offer, if so, it would have to be huge for the habs not to match, they will match anything up to 8 mill a year without a thought, and in the end, would likely only mean that we have PK under contract for 7 years, at maybe $500,000 per year more than we would like.

        • Just a Habs Fan says:

          To be sure GM’S will be throwing 10 M a year for him…then the coach will have to sit him if he plays as he is now…are you guys all blind on here…don’t you watch him give away the puck on all these occasions…his only play is dumping high shots out to center ice…….it’s good to like a player but come on

  62. WindsorHab-10 says:

    Good ugly win, I’m happier that we left Ottawa without any casualties because that was my main concern. I thought Tinordi proved tonight that he’s a big player that will be there for his teammates no matter what & that alone should guarantee him a spot in the lineup everyday heading into the playoffs. As for PK Subban, may be he’s trying to do a little too much on his own but I personally blame MT because he has mistreated & mishandled our Norris trophy winner all year from benching him when he makes mistakes to criticizing him. It will be a sad day in Montreal if PK ever decides to leave.

  63. J.Ambrose.OBrien says:

    While I’m thrilled about the magic Dd & the Twin Towers of Strength are conjuring, I am duly concerned about the rest. Pleky, Chuck, and Gally are 3 talented players, yet there is no chemistry there. And that third line just looks like a dump site for spare parts.

    Speaking of that, with apologies to the Eller apologists, I really would prefer Bourque there. I know Lars scored, but OMG, he makes so many dumb decisions.

    Finally, boy do we ever need our grit guys back. Prust, Moen, and Gorges (gritty in his own way). It is games like tonight when you really miss them — banging and crashing, and taking some of that open ice away when the momentum turns against us. We will be a whole lot better once they’re back.

    Who sits? Frankly, I’d sit both Bourque and Eller, and leave Bournival in.

    Oh, and I hope Beaulieu plays in place of Tinordi tomorrow night. Jared can’t skate with the Wings.

    I remember Dec. 31, 1975

    • Timo says:

      You know who really can’t skate with the Wings? Bouillon. In fact, he can’t skate with a pee-wee team, let alone the Wings.

      • Marc10 says:

        Cube’s not any slower than Markov, Yemmy, Weaver or Murray. Heck, he’d probably win a foot race against Tiny from blue line to blue line.

        He’s old. His reaction time isn’t there anymore and his on ice decisions suffer because of it. He’s been a good soldier. Would I rather see Beaulieu? You bet, but leave it to you to throw another Hab under the bus.

        Playoff time Timo. Best of luck to your Wings whoever you’re cheering for.

    • Habitant in Surrey says:

      …Tinordi certainly can skate Ambroise

      …not like Karlsson or P.K., but for a big man He can fly when He wants to

      …Tinordi only needs some experience and confidence to let it flow like He can

  64. howiemorenz7 says:

    Can’t wait to see what exciting things MB will do with all them 1st rounders he’s gonna get for PK from the offer-sheet raid (my guess is Detroit, Toronto, Washington, Florida, Boston will get involved). He can trade ’em for a bus-full of Weavers and Weises, won’t that be awesome.

    Maroons Suck. #7 foreva.

  65. Webs says:

    A month ago, Boone was insulting stat nerds and saying how much he liked Murray.

    Lately, he’s down on Murray and he’s started using Corsi and Fenwick to make his point about possession.

    Old dogs can learn new tricks!

  66. Da Hema says:

    This was a good old-fashioned high-scoring game, the kind we rarely see in today’s NHL. It was fun to watch, but the game also unsettled me. As Boone points out, if the Habs play like that against pretty much any other NHL team, they would be done like dinner. There were, though, many things to enjoy about the game.

    I love Tinordi’s willingness to stand up for his teammates. This is a big, tough young man, and it is hard to imagine Eller and the rest of the team didn’t give him some some extra slaps on his rather large shoulders after the game for taking on Gryba. I also admired how Gallagher and others were not intimidated by Neil — and in fact, Neil should not be holding his head high for trying to pick a fight with someone 50 pounds lighter than him. I always considered Neil a decent and reasonably honorable guy, but tonight he embarrassed himself.

    I continue to be concerned about the play of PK Subban. Why has his play declined so dramatically? The answer to this is not to bench him. Once again, Therrien’s decisions continue to bewilder me. I mentioned earlier in the evening that Bergevin may have to get directly involved in this matter. Bouillon is no longer a competent NHL defenceman, yet he continues to play top-four minutes. I doubt very much the Canadiens will last for long in the playoffs if Bouillon plays more minutes than the team’s reigning Norris Trophy winner.

    • Timo says:

      Do you think Therrien would be doing this if he didn’t have Bergevin’s support? I am beginning to think that Bergevin actually prefers if Subban signed an offer sheet in the summer and he got some precious picks for him.

      Sadly, I don’t think Therrien is alone in Habs management with that attitude towards Subban. It is sad to think but I think this is last season Subban’s playing for the Habs.

      • Da Hema says:

        That’s a possibility I suppose, although it’s one I think would be devastating to this franchise. This team has had to cobble together a bunch of journeyman defencemen for the past 20 years, and is currently relying on a 35 year-old whose best days are well behind him. Yet this organization gives away an all-star defenceman to the Rangers, and now is watching another great young defenceman deteriorate right before our eyes. I am at a loss to make any sense out of what is happening.

      • Garbo says:

        You would think that. Fortunately you’re likely the only one.

    • J.Ambrose.OBrien says:

      I just can’t believe Geoff Molson and the ownership is going to let PK walk. If it means firing Therrien, that will happen.

      It was interesting to hear Sergio Momesso saying tonight that the tension between PK and MT is obvious. Usually Sergio is very careful about saying things like that.

      I remember Dec. 31, 1975

      • Da Hema says:

        I never suggested that the team’s management intends to let Subban go to another team this summer. Timo and howiemorenz7 did. I am mainly concerned about Subban’s play. This team will not go far in the playoffs if it has to rely on Weaver, Bouillon, and Murray playing top four minutes. Therrien is the head coach of this team — it’s his responsibility to get the most out of his players.

        • J.Ambrose.OBrien says:

          No, no, I know. I wasn’t countering what you said. It’s just the silly way this platform displays responses. I am also very concerned about his play. He’s not even the best d-man on the Habs anymore.

          I remember Dec. 31, 1975

  67. Timo says:

    According to Therrien Subban wasn’t ready at the start of the game


    I am lost for words. What an a-hole.

    • Da Hema says:

      No one on the Habs was ready to play at the beginning of this game. Therrien mystifies me. Many people here say what a good job Therrien has done this year, but one could speculate how much better this team could be without Therrien. It was Therrien himself who gave all the players days off in the sun, and then he takes it out on Subban when they come back unprepared? There is certainly something very wrong here.

    • J.Ambrose.OBrien says:

      I’m just spitballing here, but I wonder if PK was a bit naughty down in Florida. MT seems especially annoyed with him lately. More than usual.

      I remember Dec. 31, 1975

    • NCRhabsfan says:

      And whose job was it to have them ready to play from the outset?MT cannot leave Montreal fast enough. He may be a good coach, but he isn’t a good coach for this group of players. A dead monkey could have run up the record MT has rung up and done better developing the young players who have almost all regressed under MT.

    • Loop_Garoo says:

      I think it was obvious to everyone that PK was not focused at the beginning of the game. If Therrien lied about PK then call him an a-hole but a couple of those goals were directly his fault. He just did not play well.

  68. The Jackal says:

    Woot! Great win.
    Good atmosphere on HIO too, save the few whining about MT and PK.
    PK makes mistakes, MT sometimes benches players who make mistakes. Big friggin deal.

    Hockey sine stercore tauri.

    • Timo says:

      Yep. And sometimes star goalies or star dmen say “f it, i am done here” and leave. Big deal indeed.

    • No.4isNo.1 says:

      As I mentioned on the previous link DD wasn’t benched after his turn over in TB the other night. Markov & Gionta have also recently have made some real boneheaded plays and not been held accountable in the same way. MT operates on a double standard and that doesn’t create a team atmosphere.

      Better times are ahead

  69. Timo says:

    The site is acting all whacky. Hamsters need a day off.

  70. calvee123 says:

    Well, I never got to watch the game only the hi lights, but with the Canadiens playing in their dark red jerseys, it reminded me of years ago when that was the equalizer for playing on the road. Them dark red jerseys. I think the NHL aught to change back to dark on road. I’d be happy if they did.

  71. Timo says:

    If I am Don Meahan I am telling Subban “suck it up, baby, play out this season and then we just sit and wait for offer sheets in the summer”.

  72. PureGuava says:

    If keeping Vanek means losing PK….I’m okay with it.
    “Of course I’m crazy, but that doesn’t mean I’m wrong.”
    – Robert Anton Wilson

  73. canadiens26 says:

    Ottawa isn’t officially eliminated just yet, they scan still catch the Blue Jackets.

    • Storman says:

      I know I have heard it so much tonight, and now Boone in ALN,, I have started to question my basic math skills.

      • Timo says:

        True. They have 78 pts with 5 games left. Cbus with 85 pts, so technically Turds can still make it if they win all their remaining games and Cbus blow all their remaining games.

        • Storman says:

          Actually they need a lot more than that, they need Columbus, New jersey, Toronto, and Washington, to basically just about lose most of there games but not all. While Ottawa wins out.. but i am just saying mathematically they are not officially eliminated as much media have said tonight as well as Boone in ALN..

  74. OptimystiCH says:

    Love the win!!!

    Repent ye doubters. Our time is near.

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