About last night …

Yogi Berra is credited with coining one of the great clichès of sports:
“It ain’t over till it’s over.”
The observation is true in the game at which Berra excelled.
Baseball has no clock. The game isn’t over until the last man is out.
It’s different in hockey … especially games involving your Montreal Canadiens.
A team that can’t score is three goals down with 3:22 to play?
If that ain’t over …

The grim finality certainly had occurred to fans in the Bell Centre. Almost half of the 21,273 had abandoned the premises when Lars Eller – LARD ELLER, for crying out loud! – scored the goal that began the Comeback of the Season.

Oh ye of little faith! Your expensive season tickets should be confiscated and distributed among fans who don’t give up hope until the siren sounds.

If you can find any.

When the puck dropped to begin Saturday night’s game, the Canadiens were 29th in the NHL in 5-on-5 scoring. And their power play had gone into the tank through the team’s three-game losing streak.

Is this a club you expect to score three goals in less than four minutes?

Of course not. This is a club you expect to be tied 1-1 after outshooting Ottawa 17-4 in the first period.

It was dèja vu all over again. In their most recent loss, the Canadiens had outshot Boston 14-6 in the first period.

Not one of those shots got by Tuukka Rask, and the Bruins scored four unanswered goals to win easily.

But the Senators are not the Bruins. Ottawa scored three unanswered goals to take control of the game heading into the last four minutes.

Then they fell apart. And the loss likely doomed Ottawa’s chances of making the playoffs.

What the win did for the Canadiens remains to be seen. But we won’t have to wait long.

They play in Buffalo Sunday night. Carey Price didn’t even make the trip, so it will be up to Peter Budaj to hold the fort against one of the few NHL teams that has more trouble scoring than the Canadiens.

He’ll need better protection than Price got. In his first game since winning a gold medal in Sochi – playing behind Team Canada defencemen who were a tad better than Alexei Emelin, Douglas Murray, Mike Weaver and, yes, Overtime hero Francis Bouillon – Price was rusty and looked bad on Zack Smith’s goal, which dribbled between his legs and lay there for the Senators forward to tap in.

But Smith’s goal came on one of Ottawa’s dismayingly frequent breakaways. And the Senators’ other three goals were the result of woeful play by the Canadiens in their own end.

Lars Eller and Brendan Gallagher were on for all four Ottawa goals. Alex Galchenyuk was on for three of them.

It was good to see the EGG line reunited. And coming off an emotional win, we’ll probably see them together again in Buffalo.

Galchenyuk and Gallagher will bounce back. But when Eller scored – for the first time since Jan. 2, a span of 24 games – he had been on the stat sheet for two penalties. And when he wasn’t in the box, Eller was watching four Ottawa score four times.

Maybe the win will boost Eller’s fragile confidence. He followed up his goal with an assist on Brian Gionta’s.

And maybe the win will persuade Michel Therrien to loosen the shackles on P.K. Subban.

The reigning Norris Trophy winner played his best game since the Olympic break. With Ottawa in control and fans streaming toward the exits, Subban went full P.K. on the reeling Senators.

The stats: ToI of 28:55 to lead both teams, assists on all three comeback goals, seven shots on goal, to lead both teams, plus three that were blocked and two that missed the net; four hits, two takeaways and two blocked shots.

Comparable stats for Erik Karlsson: 26:00, two assists (including the unreal pass that sprang Smith), three SoG, plus five that were blocked; zero hits, one takeaway.

The game had its nasty moments. Some may suggest Brandon Prust’s mugging of Milan Michalek woke the Canadiens up and keyed their comeback. Chris Neil, Dale Weise and Travis Moen got third-period misconducts after a scrum in Lehner’s crease; and Bobby Ryan got a game for going berserk on the zebras after Frankie Boo’s OT winner.

The team will meet for the fifth and last time April 4 in Ottawa. The Senators will be well out of it by then, which could make for a lively evening.

Where will the Canadiens be in 20 days?

It’s still hard to say.

The win was emotional, uplifting and offered the fans who stuck around excitement that’s been all too rarely on display at the Bell Centre this season.

But the futile first-period fusillade, the poor zone play in front of Price, the power play that sputtered through seven opportunities until DD’s miracle goal …

In short, there are issues.

And 14 games to get them sorted out.





  1. SC-24 says:

    I think you should ask the players how many like therrien or wait till PK leaves town because of him than they’ll come up with the excuse he was asking to much for a contract.
    What ever it is there’s something wrong with this team. On paper they look like they should be in 1st place but on the ice 80% of the time they suck, last night was no exception.
    If Anderson had been in the net last night you’d be all on here crying. Yes they won or did they. The last 5-minutes they played so desperate everything they touched went in. I couldn’t care if they make the playoffs. They won’t get out of the 1st round and all we’ll here is whining and crying about the Refs.
    No matter how you look at it, this team sucks and it’s up to management to fix it, whether it be players or the coaching!!!!

    • habs001 says:

      Sorry they do not look like a first place team on paper..I know for many Hab fans if a player wears the uniform they become a next level player but the reality is this team has overachieved…

    • Ozmodiar says:

      Yup, if Anderson had played we’d all be crying. Anderson didn’t play, so, just you crying. 😆

      • PrimeTime says:

        Lol. Nice!

        “Fans are entitled to express their opinion, but most of the comments on talk radio and on The Gazette’s Hockey Inside/Out website ranged from the mildly uninformed to the outrageously stupid” – Pat Hickey.

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    • Bim says:

      I agree. They do look better on paper and should be playing way better which is the coaches job. Preparing them to win! And last night was a total fluke in the way it ended. Yes I am happy they won but it should not have ben that way. I can guarantee you if they had gone down 4-2 MT would not be coaching this team today going forward. They were that listless! We’ll see what happens tonite. If they suck tonite against the last place team then maybe…just maybe we’ll have seen the last of MT.

      • PrimeTime says:

        MT isn’t going anywhere. The team has overachieved this season and last year. All the pundits said before each season Habs would not make the playoffs…..meaning an under .500 record. Check out the results!

        “Fans are entitled to express their opinion, but most of the comments on talk radio and on The Gazette’s Hockey Inside/Out website ranged from the mildly uninformed to the outrageously stupid” – Pat Hickey.

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  2. habitual says:

    Although the read was almost spoiled by accidentally reading another witless post by our resident knob Timo, Boone you nailed it.

  3. govenah says:

    The way things are looking (assuming we finish somewhere between 3rd and 6th) we likely end up playing one of these 5 teams in the first round. Which would you prefer?
    1. Tampa Bay
    2. Toronto
    3. Columbus
    4. NYR
    5. Philadelphia

    The glass is MT.

    • DominicanHab says:

      I don’t see how we can play Columbus, New York, or Philadelphia in the first round. If we end up in a wild card spot and play a team from the Metropolitan, it will be Pittsburgh. We are realistically looking at Boston, Toronto, Tampa Bay, Detroit, or Pittsburgh

      • govenah says:

        If we place second or third in our division thats who we play. If we end up in wild card (what I call 7th) we could play Boston or Pitts.

        The glass is MT.

        • CJ says:

          If we end up 2nd or 3rd in our division then we will be facing a divisional opponent (Toronto, Tampa or Detroit).

          • govenah says:

            ok got it.
            So it is likely Tampa or TO or slim chance of Det. Or Pitts. if we end up in Wild card. Which do your prefer?
            1 Toronto
            3. Detroit
            4. Pitts

            The glass is MT.

    • CJ says:

      With the new playoff format it’s almost a certainty that we face either Tampa, Toronto, or if we fall into the wildcard, Pittsburgh or Boston.

      There is almost zero chance we face, NY, Philly or Columbus.

      Again, the playoff format has changed. I understand that the GM’s were unanimous in their support to change the format, but for this year at least, this is how it works.

  4. DominicanHab says:

    Hard not to have a giant smile on my face this morning! Now let’s hope last night doesn’t lead to a letdown in the first period of tonight’s game…

  5. Mavid says:

    Apparently we broke some record first team in the NHL to score 3 goals in less than 5 minutes in the third period that’s what is being posted on twitter

    Weed Wacker Grandma Smurf

    • HabinBurlington says:

      What was the time span for that Bruins comeback against the Leafs last year? I think it was about 7 mins., maybe a bit more.

      That is cool to hear Mavid, enjoy your day, I’m guessing you’ll have some Habs related gear on today to remind the locals where your heart lies. Or perhaps your giant beeming smile will suffice.

      • Mavid says:

        I am in London today one of my hubby’s aunts turns 90 we drove to Ajax last night and watched the game at my nieces. Have to wait till tomorrow before I can gloat I am wearing some hab gear today though

        Weed Wacker Grandma Smurf

  6. Paz says:

    So happy for Eller. Prolonged slump led to shattered confidence. In baseball, he would have been sent down to AAA to find his game.

    I have never been a Therrien fan, that’s true.

    But when Therrien put together those 3 top lines I was very pleased.

    And I think all 3 lines make sense, all 3 controlled the puck well, and all had great chances to score.

    It was 2-1 Sens going into the 3rd and I thought it could have easily been 4-2 for us.

    I hope Therrien keeps the top 9 intact.

    • Ozmodiar says:

      He didn’t even keep those lines intact last night.

      Before the come-back, he switched to:
      Briere – Pleks – Gally
      Chuck – Eller – Gio

      … so, we might see something different tonight.

  7. So the puck is sitting clearly in front of peanut, and fans are losing their minds over the none whistle. I got clueless Leaf fans cryin it up in facebook about the Sens getting ripped off. The referee was looking at the puck sitting there the entire time. Man oh I hate Leaf fans!

    Great outcome, but man oh man we suck! 😆 Good thing we’re pretty otherwise we’d be dancing alone.


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  8. DipsyDoodler says:

    Dear Ninety-Percenters,

    (90percenters are the small group (<<90%) of individuals who account for 90% of the posts, of the type "Therrien is a moron", "Deharnais is only playing because of …", "I hate this team" etc …)

    So as I was saying, Dear 90percenters,

    You don't get to enjoy this win.

    You don't get to cheer.

    You don't get to be happy.

    This win isn't yours.

    You don't own it.

    Moving. Forward.

    • So because I don’t like the coach I don’t get to enjoy the win, 😆

      This post is going nowhere 🙂

      Therrien if it weren’t for the Habs would be where right now? New York? Vancouver? Winnipeg? I’ll tell you where, RDS.

      GO HABS GO

      GO HABS GO

      GO HABS GO

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      • DipsyDoodler says:

        No, not liking the coach, criticizing the team when apt, isn’t what I’m referring to.

        I’m referring to the people who bang on relentlessly about how much everything about the Habs sucks.

        Moving. Forward.

    • Thomas Le Fan says:

      Oh please. So what? You’re giving Therrien credit for that one? P.K. threw his shackles off and we won. I both enjoyed the Walrus’s despair and Therrien’s relief that he won’t be fired … this week. Cheers! Go Habs!

      Hockey isn’t everything … it’s the only thing … except for beer and guitars!

      • montrealtilldeath says:

        Exactly. PK did what the Big Bird Robinson used to do i.e. put the whole team on his back and generate the big Habs surge. C’mon Therrian; release the Kraken!!

        • wjc says:

          Are you sure Robinson did it single handed or did he have help, oh say Savard, Lapointe, Lefluer, brothers Mahovalich, Shutt, Gainey and on and on you can go.

          The past is nice but reality should be kept.


      • wjc says:

        Opening up when you are losing late is normal.

        If they are up by 1, then P.K. would have been told to play defensive, thus the ‘shackles’ as you call them.

        Therien will not be fired.

        The rule is ‘he cannot get any credit, only blame.

        Wins equal…goaltender, luck, players ignoring him etc.

        Losses equal…bad coaching decisions, players listening to him, not properly prepared.

        He can never win….he can only lose, just like all Canadiens coaches the last 20 years.


    • scamorza says:

      Wonderful post and agree completely. We are not a great team this is the not the 70’s habs, or 80’s isles / oilers but then again few teams are so dominant this year and dynasties of the past are pretty well just that with salary caps and a 30 team league. So get in the playoffs and who knows get hot and pray – I remember doing that in 72 when we were sure to lose to the hawks and then lemaire and then HR answered our prayers.
      So last night’s comeback was remarkable as we are not a high scoring team but we got some key plays from key players and bingo. So do we have lots to work on sure but give credit where credit is due- whine on Therien and sure not the best coach but he he made key changes in the game that led to the victory.
      So enjoy last night and lets cheer on again for tonight

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      • Lafleurguy says:

        I want to reply partly because the young ones will have no memory of Lemaire’s booming slapshot, and the one he got by Tony “O” in the finals.
        From outside the blueline. Heard it on my transistor radio, which in those days were made in Japan, and cheap. Small correction. 1971, after the titanic upset of the record-setting Bruins. Ex-Bruin draftee, mumbly Ken in nets. Cheers.

  9. Thomas Le Fan says:

    Wow! This team is full of surprises. I think we would have been toast if we had have lost. Now I believe that crispy finality belongs to Ottawa. Wow.

    Hockey isn’t everything … it’s the only thing … except for beer and guitars!

  10. Lafleurguy says:

    Sometimes, circumstances are 0.3 away from perfect harmony. March 17th, St. Paddy’s Day; March 18th, St. Patrick’s Return.

  11. haballmylife says:

    As Boone posted
    ” In short, there are issues”
    Our biggest issue is behind the bench by the name of THERIEN!!!! As talent in front of him but doesn’t know how to use it!!!

  12. on2ndthought says:

    Many great posts: UCE Twilight, HIB, 24cups, probably more. One thing I take away from last night: we all talk about meaningful versus meaningless goals and/or saves. As it turns out, Price made some huge 3rd period saves, and Eller’s 1st goal in an Olympic cycle turned out to be crucial. We just couldn’t have predicted how important these plays were until the fat lady loosened her vocal cords. This game (just as the NYR game 4 or 5 years back did) will keep me watching until the final whistle for the next decade or so!

    “a cannonading drive”

  13. veryhabby says:

    A few things. I told my Sens fan kid that if Mtl did not score on their 3rd PP in the first that Habs would lose. All game long I reminded my kid, “u see mommy is always right”. Thanks Habs now my kid has some proof that I’m not 🙂

    Price looked bad on some goals but when our team “gave up” between 4th goal and 4 min left mark, I noted how many good saves Price was making and thought, “what a waste, he is keeping us in it but it’s not like we can score and come back!”

    Not sure why Tinordi was out, hope he is back tonite.

    Did u hear MT comments when a reporter asked him about PK’s great game. He mumbled something, half compliment cause u can’t deny it, and then quickly said, “but I want to talk about Price cause he played really good….” and switched the story to Price instead of spending time on PK. there is no doubt a problem there.

  14. Captain aHab says:

    Let me also add that I don’t get the fixation on getting a francophone coach when said coach will pretty much always spout off the same platitudes after a loss and the same, but slightly different, platitudes after a win. Actually, they could save the coach the trouble and just have the PR guy do the post-game. This is a media issue far more than a fan issue.

    Me skull and crossbones arn’t the only thing I plan on raisin’ tonight.

  15. Mavid says:

    Yip skippidy doo..what a lovely day..oh yes they are whining, crying, quoting the rule book…wonderful..but hey ya still lost suck it up princesses hehehe hahaha hohoho

    Weed Wacker Grandma Smurf

  16. Captain aHab says:

    UCE, Dunboyne and others:

    About the language thing, I am a francophone who is 100% fluently bilingual. I used to live in BC for a while and some people there needed about a month before they figured out I was a francophone and in most cases, it’s because I told them.

    I went to a Faculty where there was a huge and varied immigrant presence. I’ve had friends from many countries and we made fun of one another’s backgrounds and ethnicities and their specific idiosyncrasies. And yes there were some people who were very zealous about calling us bigots, even though we never held an angry feeling towards one another. We usually gave these people a wide berth because there was very little point in discussing it with them. Much like there was very little point discussing me being an atheist with the local Catholic Student Club.

    I think it’s very possible to have fun with folks’ ethnicities and idiosyncrasies without being an absolute bigot or racist. I still think Therrien is funny when he says “soff”. Not because I’m a racist (hell, I’m a franco) but because it makes him sound like a teddybear when he’s a pretty big man.

    When I was in BC, we would have groups of Quebec students come on exchanges to visit the lab and they would stay in anglophone homes and, invariably, their comment to me would be that they were very surprised at how nice anglophones are.

    The media and politicians have a big part of the responsibility for furthering the cause of the two solitudes.

    Fundamentally, I think people need to stop assuming that everyone is a racist, based on anonymous posts on a message board.

    Me skull and crossbones arn’t the only thing I plan on raisin’ tonight.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Totally hear where you are coming from. However, I think the point that Marc was initially discussing was how some people who appear to have great disdain for MT see fit to include his manner of speaking as furthering the point he doesn’t know what he is doing behind the bench.

      As a person who was born in Canada but raised by a father with a very Tick German accent I love to rib my own square headedness. As someone else pointed out, the internet makes it very difficult to pick up on the innuendo of certain posts.

      I do think at times though, the posters make it pretty clear that the gist of their post is not meant in humour but rather in demeaning of MT as a person.

    • BJ says:

      I’ll second your comments as I’m also 100% fluently bilingual + some German and Sanskrit thrown in. I think its become way to “politically correct” to play the offended virgin. A good joke should be enjoyed and if people could learn to laugh at themselves a bit more it would certainly keep the planet more relaxed. So two thumbs up on your comments.

    • Lafleurguy says:

      Absence or presence of malice makes it night and day.

      • Captain aHab says:

        Yes but different people have very different views on what would amount to “malice”. That’s why I’m not ready to hang someone based on comments made here.

        Some people think that any such comment made is racist and made with malice, regardless of the context. I think that is extreme and is the root cause of many societal problems.

        I also think that not having a thick-enough skin and sweating the small stuff is what causes a lot of failed marriages….do I like everything my wife does? Nope….but when I do think about it, most if not all of it is inconsequential.

        Don’t sweat the small stuff…best advice my parents every gave me.

        Me skull and crossbones arn’t the only thing I plan on raisin’ tonight.

    • boing007 says:

      What did your francophone friends think about idiophones, sousaphones, allophones, telephones and all the other non-francophones? Personally I consider myself a franglophile, and I have been one since I was a teenager in California. I like both languages and both cultures, along with many other languages and cultures. Socrates said it best: ‘the unexamined life is not worth living’.

      Richard R

      • Captain aHab says:

        I know a few separatists but most by far of my francophone friends don’t think along franco vs non-franco lines. They judge people by who they are…there are morons in all languages. Just like I found out that there are incompetents in all sectors of society: public, private and volunteer. Stupidity knows no bounds.

        Me skull and crossbones arn’t the only thing I plan on raisin’ tonight.

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        Sneaky one, Boing!
        Agree with you and Socrates.
        I’m still not sure I’m guilt-free if I parody Bush. I hope I’m sensitive enough to know when it’s appropriate and it’s not. If I’m not, someone who’s offended won’t be long in letting me know (by which time, it’s too late for anything other than an apology).

        (You could add homophones to your list!)

    • wjc says:

      It is impossible for one Canadian to be racist with another white Canadian. English and french languages are just languages. They do not have a race. If you live in Quebec and speak french and I live in Ontario and speak english, we are both Canadians.

      Communicating in both languages is important for a business organization. Part of the job is interviews in both languages for the media outlets be they English or French.

      If the coach speaks only French then the English side will be forced to interpret the message and misunderstand the meaning perhaps.

      Coaching is largely the players you have. Coaches have basically the same qualifications. The main difference is the players that play for them. Give Scotty Bowman a last place team and he will improve them very little. Give him a first place team with all stars and he will not hurt them either.

      The old saying you cannot make a silk purse out of a soys belly is true. Casey Stangel won many championships with the New York Yankees and could not get out of last place with the New York Mets.

      Same coach, same philosophies, different players, different outcome.


      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        wjc I think the definition of racism has broadened considerably from the one you and I probably both grew up with. Not sure I agree, being naturally conservative when it comes to language, but it is what it is (which is fact is how language evolves, of course).

        The Casey Stengel comparison is very apt.

  17. thepriceiswrong says:

    BOONE, I don’t know what you’re talking about… I was at the game last night and nowhere near HALF the fans left… at most maybe 2000-3000 fans in the reds, and almost no empty seats in the 300-400 sections. I know that your “numbers’ make for better headlines, but that is a gross overestimation.

  18. Mondou6 says:

    I think Neil being sent to the dressing room made a difference in the game. Before that, Ottawa was gooning us all over the ice. Notice how we were suddenly all over Lehner after that.

    Goes back to my confusion why we signed Parros, specifically to counter teams like Boston, Ottawa, and Toronto, but then don’t dress him in the past two games.

    Wednesday, Lucic was attacking Emelin from the opening whistle. Last night, Neil was up to his tricks, and we had numerous players getting cheap shots.

    Just like last year, Prust was the one who had to drop the gloves.

    I know Parros leaves a lot to be desired, but when he’s in the lineup, you just don’t see the same type of goonery from the other team. I thought it was blatant the last two games, and I think that Ottawa lost their mojo after their goon Neil was sent off.

    • CJ says:

      I’m all for icing a tough dude who could take care of Neil, but Parros is finished. It was nice of Therien to give him a last game against the Ducks, but he shouldn’t dress again. Much like Frankie should ride into the sunset, big George needs to do the same.

      Looking ahead, I know it’s not popular, but Shawn Thorton on a one year deal could be a fit. Otherwise you are looking at Paul Bissonnette, Joel Rechlizc, Steve MacIntyre, or the possibility of graduating someone from the farm – although very few options exist.

      MacGratton and Bordeleau are under contract and Gadzic is a RFA.

      • BJ says:

        MayIntyre would do. Because we are still a small team we need one heavyweight, and I too cringe when I see Parros drop the gloves. I also think he should enjoy a retirement while he still appears to be healthy. I’m sure he and his wife will do well in business.

  19. howiemorenz7 says:

    Never saw PK play a more inspired game. What a joy to behold.

    It’s gonna hurt so hard when he does that next year for Philly or Detroit (with his pal Babs) while MB shuffles around a bunch of draft picks.

    Maroons Suck. #7 foreva.

  20. habs-hampton says:

    Price said the comeback reminded him of the womens team in sochi beating the USA. I though the same thing, right down to the iced puck during the PP that missed the empty net by 6 inches. Deja vu all over again!

  21. HabinBurlington says:

    The Curious Case of Douglas Murray.

    I like the guy, I really just plain and simple like him and what he stands for on this Habs team. He is on the ice for one simple reason, provide protection in the crease for Carey Price.

    Problem is, when our team is missing Gorges and his replacement is Frankie B or Mike Weaver this exposes the limitations in Murray’s game.

    I still see a time and place for Crankshaft, but it gets much dicier now as his minutes become more critical in the absence of Gorges. Add to this the fact Emelin continues to struggle, our defence is really stretching that expression of bend but don’t break. In fact recently they have broken.

    Price returning will help, but I do think depending on the opponent Murray needs to be on spot duty. This is no slight to Crank, just we look very sluggish on the backend.

    If our lineup includes Prust, Moen, Weise, White etc…. I rather see Tinordi than Murray. I was hoping for a bit better play out of Weaver, perhaps he is struggling with confidence also, as playing for a hockey crazed fanbase llike the Habs is brand new to him, despite his veteran standing.

    Not sure I thought I would say this earlier in year, but I really miss Gorges.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Agreed 100%. I think Tinordi should actually be in the lineup over Murray, Bouillon and Weaver. And ya, Gorges has his ups and downs but he’s more reliable than all the above mentioned defencemen.

    • CJ says:

      Good post. Gorges is certainly missed. Not sure why the hesitation to react to what has clearly become an issue on the back end.

      Again, I’m very happy for Frankie last night. Great goal. That said, he didn’t have a good game. Murray and Weaver were exposed. Why they started the third period I don’t know. They certainly didn’t reward their coaches’ confidence, giving up a breakaway within 12 seconds. That can’t happen, especially against defensive defencemen, veterans to boot. Emelin and Markov struggle in their zone. Markov is excellent on the PP, but my goodness he is shaky at times. The good news is that this is the exact type of game that could (I believe will) break PK out of his slump. Loved his hit on Gryba. Loved his after the whistle pushing and shoving. Loved his celebrations!

      PK unplugged and live….

  22. Hobie Hansen says:

    Michel Therrien. Good for you buddy! You deserved that one! I watched his press conference after the game and his voice was shaking and he literally had tears in his eyes. Great win for the coach who I’ve always supported!!! He puts his heart and soul into this team. I hope he’s around for another few seasons!

    • habstrinifan says:

      I am not so glowing of course Hobie. I agree with the emotional releif in his demeanour though. And Hobie I cued in on one sentence he used. A win in ‘big games’ like this could mean so much.

      You probably don’t agree, but I think the people who could most make this win the catalyst that Therrien is hoping for are the coaches. I detailed how in other posts so wont repeat them here.

      Hopefully they make it a greater win than we know now.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        I just find it ridiculous how no matter who the coach is that 75% of people want him fired at all times…

        • boonie says:

          That’s because 5% of coaches are excellent, 5% are lousy and very little separates the other 90%.

          Out of 30 teams, that means there are TWO excellent coaches. We don’t have one.

          The Habs have been blessed with long stretches of the top 5%. Most fans desperately want one of the top 5%. As fans, we believe it’s our birthright.

  23. habstrinifan says:

    Re the following posts:
    Marc10MARCH 16, 2014 AT 7:05 AM..
    People who can barely speak their mother tongue should keep their pie hole well shut when criticising people who can function in a second language.

    LafleurguyMARCH 16, 2014 AT 7:11 AM
    With you bud. Too many racists and bigots. And they think they’re smart and witty.
    I said my piece on this from first time I noticed the use of the caricature language.

    It is stupid and wrong.

    And I am sorry to be this blunt to any conscientiously thinking poster who misguidedly fell into this trap of mockery in the guise of humour.

    I know because you are conscientious thinking in your posts, that you will cease and desist.

    And Marc10 and Lafleurguy, there HAVE been posters who immediately recognized the unseemliness and stopped.

    This is the beauty of our site Marc10 and Lafleurguy… people do err but also rise to match the level of courtesy and respect our forum demands. I include myself among those who, on ocaasion’ has been a big a-hole and had to sheepishly recognize it. And it wil happen to me again.

    But dont fret the others Marc10 and Lafleurguy ..it’s not worth it.

    • Lafleurguy says:

      Hey Trini. All of us have foot-in-the-mouth moments. Humility will then often surface and we, the readers feel respect for those posters. Other posters don’t remotely display any humility or respect for others.

  24. icemachine says:

    Was riding the bus home from downtown last night with a dead cell – missed the collapse and the comeback, can’t wait to watch the game tonight live in Buffalo. They should still be feeding off that energy tonight

  25. Habfan17 says:

    Great comeback last night. I had to leave when it was tied at 1, came back when it was 4 – 1 Sens, and decided to watch something else.
    My loss!

    On another note, I would like to see the following defensive pairs next season
    Tinordi, PK
    Beaulieu, Pateryn
    Emelin, Nygren
    Drewiski, Weaver


    • CJ says:

      Good morning Steve! I don’t think they will resign Weaver who is a UFA. I’d like to see them take a shot at Matt Greene from LA. Just my two cents. Cheers, CJ

      • Habfan17 says:

        Good morning CJ!

        yes, I would prefer that too! I was only looking at current players.
        I am sure there will be a couple of players available as UFA’s that would be upgrades for some of the filler spots to help the young core.


  26. Hobie Hansen says:

    About last night…

    What an amazing game, well at least the last five minutes and OT. When it was 4-1 I had turned the sound down and began to tidy up the kitchen. I strolled back through the family room when the Canadiens made it 4-2. I decided to sit back down and watch the last couple minutes. Glad I did!

    The one negative was the defence. Did I really see Weaver and Bouillon in the lineup together? Emelin is terrible right now and Murray looked slower than normal last night, if that’s even possible. We will never win a series with the defence we had dressed last night. Maybe one of either Bouillon or Weaver could be in the lineup but I’d rather none.

  27. HabinBurlington says:

    I am not really too concerned about the details regarding the controversial no call/no whistle when the puck may have been frozen. Sure that play is normally blown dead, however, my theory is the original shot appeared to handcuff Lehner, you could see immediately he was not aware completely where puck was and that he was unable to move quickly to freeze it for fear of knocking it in the net. To me the ref saw and recognized this and thus the play was allowed to continue. We Hab fans have seen these calls go the other way and indeed we have complained. I think the ref allowed the momentum of the game to dictate his call or no call in this case.

    What I am most happy about is the continued persistence by the team to not give up. This game was pivotal, and the players could easily have thrown in the towel, heck looking at the bench prior to Ellers goal and it looked like MT may have already chucked that proverbial towel.

    I am very hopeful that the confidence gained in that finish will lead to some finish around the net. That first period provided plenty of opportunities to score, but the team remained snakebit and you could just feel how not scoring during the opening frame was going to come back and haunt us.

    I am very happy for Price, he struggled at times and looked very rusty. At times it looked to me like he was afraid to really react quick as though nursing his sore lower body. I am hopeful it was just rust and the team is smart to not have him make the trip to Buffalo.

    Budaj I expect a strong game from him, his mentor is back, and Peter is now back to his role of spot duty. The pressure is different and he is getting a good spot to show that indeed his confidence is back.

    This team needs to start burying goals, confidence is key and I really hope much was gained yesterday.

    Reffing will always be inconsistent in this league, all the more reason to score goals when opportunity presents itself, helps take the refs out of the equation.

    • Lafleurguy says:

      Very salient G. This edition of the Habs churns away ’til the end. Cap’n stole a point off Detroit with a last minute goal. Did we score late against Anaheim, and then had Davey and Gallagher win it in the shootout? More stolen points. Habs have had more steals than Alberta in a curling match against Nunavut.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      There have been a couple of comments regarding Michel Therrien’s demeanor behind the bench. Just to add to the discussion, he has been frank on this topic, stating that he wanted to control his emotions behind the bench, not to antagonize refs or communicate to his players a sense of loss of control. So maybe that’s what we’re seeing, a coach who is saying “Ohmmmmmmm…” internally to keep his cool, and keep from going Torts Factor 9.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      I’m glad the last goal was controversial! There was a pivotal goal or two in the playoffs last year where Price appeared to have the puck frozen, the play was allowed to continue and Ottawa scored. I remember screaming at the TV that Price had the puck covered for a half hour!!!

    • Forum Dog says:

      The ref was standing at the post to Lehner’s right and could see the puck under his blocker, but not securely covered. If he had been behind the net and unable to see the puck at all, it probably would have been blown dead.

      Habs got a bit lucky in this one. From where I sat, they didn’t really deserve to win. The second and third periods were extremely frustrating to watch – until those last three minutes.

  28. Hobie Hansen says:

    A few words of wisdom by the legendary Hobie Hansen prior to yesterday’s game:

    Comment on Habs’ Price will be back in goal against Senators (2014-03-15 12:45:55)
    I don’t think we can expect Price’s “A” game tonight. It’s not beyond the realm of possibility he lets in one or two that he would normally stop. Not to mention Bouillon is in the lineup, Emelin is shaky and the tandem of Murray and Tinordi has the potential to let in a goofy goal on occasion. My point, Vankek and his top line, plus the EGG line better put some pucks in the net tonight or we could be in trouble!!! It will probably take four goals or more to win this one!

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Lots of things indeed went wrong in that game, however, it is all about how the team reacts tonight, the carryover moving forward.

      I am hopeful tonight the team fills the opposition net early and often.

      • Lafleurguy says:

        Too bad you couldn’t get tix to two Buffalo Sunday games in a row. Only a passing thought that quickly evaporated, that you’re a bigger Jonathan Toews than Brian Gionta fan (respective captains).

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Perhaps, but I did score tix for next Saturdays Habs/Leafs tilt, so I can live with missing the game tonight….Granted I will be heading to my lair in a few hours and one never knows what the day can bring. Tix may still arrive…..fingers crossed.

  29. CJ says:

    Hi Chris and community;

    Sorry, couldn’t reply below. The fact is, the OT winner didn’t cost the Sens a win. It cost them a chance at a win. There is a significant difference. Even if that play is blown dead, it was still up to Ottawa to seize momentum and force the issue. Based on their play, I didn’t see it happening. Fact is, they gave up 48 shots. Even discounting the shots we took during the 7 PP opportunities, we still enjoyed a very comfortable margin. Maybe in a way I wish that goal hadn’t counted. I wish we would have added five more shots and won in a different manner. That said, we were desperate for the two points and got it done.

    Shifting gears, there are some major issues that need to be addressed, namely our PP and defence. Tinordi and Beaulieu should both be playing over any of Weaver, Murray, Bouillion or Emelin. Frankly, there is PK, a legit number one, then it drops off to Markov, a serviceable 3/4. Emelin is a decent 4/5, if played on his proper side. Murray, Weaver and Frankie are 7/8 on most playoff teams in the league. This is not a recipe for success. You can’t give up four breakaways in the third period and blow coverages as badly as we did and hope to beat Columbus or Colorado this week. Did anyone else notice who started the third period? Murray and Weaver. Within 12 seconds the Sens had a breakaway……

    Yesterday I called Eller scoring and PK breaking out of his funk. If I had one wish today, and leave my imprint on this team, it would be adding Tinordi and Beaulieu and leaving the insurance policies in the press box.

    • govenah says:

      Mostly in agreement. But my ultimate defence pairings barring further injuries would be :
      Tinordi Subban
      Markov Emelin
      Murray Beaulieu
      Frankie B is the first call up til Georges returns.

      The glass is MT.

      • CJ says:

        I’m in almost complete agreement. I’d switch Beaulieu and Emelin, but otherwise I agree with the composition. Gorges would replace Murray once healthy.

  30. JF says:

    Great comeback win and the team showed a ton of character in not quitting when it looked as if it were over. But there is still something wrong. How can a team so totally dominate their opponent in the first period and not come out of it ahead? As François Gagnon remarked on L’Antichambre, there should never have been any question of a heroic comeback with just over three minutes to play. The Habs should have basically put the game away in the first twenty.

    And they did pretty much the same thing against the Bruins in the preceding game, dominating them in the first period but unable to score. Then a couple of early second-period mistakes led to goals against, and the game was pretty much over.

    In both games, the team was ready to play, while their opponent was not. But they have to be the least opportunistic bunch on the planet – give them an open net and they’ll hit the post or fan on the shot. Where is their killer instinct? If they had not erased that three-goal deficit, we’d be fuming over their ineptitude instead of celebrating an unlikely victory.

    And the defence is still a mess. How many breakaways did the Sens have in the third period? Price was clearly rusty (not surprisingly), but still had to be sharp just to keep the score respectable.

    Then there’s the powerplay, which has become an exercise in futility recently. I think they still rely too much on the point shot. They should be moving more, passing faster, and trying to create more chances down low.

    So there’s lots to work on. And I can’t see the Sabres collapsing in the last few minutes if they have a lead tonight.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Douglas Murray and Mike Weaver are a problematic pair, that’s for sure, and our defence looks very suspect right now.

      So true that the Canadiens should have put both games away early, or at least have grabbed good leads. I’m hoping that the dam is about to burst, that the kid line will find their groove, and that Thomas Vanek will coalesce with his linemates.

      I’m not putting too much stock in the recent slide, Carey Price being out and Peter Budaj not being up to par explains a lot of it.

  31. wjc says:

    If you are a Montreal fan it was a good goal.

    If you are an Ottawa fan it was a bad goal.

    If you are a Montreal fan it was a great comeback.

    If you are an Ottawa fan it was a meltdown.

    If you are an Ottawa player you realize Murray has shortcomings, but you also dread him manhandling you front of Price.

    If you are Lars Eller and you score with 3 minutes left you cannot show emotion because after all it is probably as useless goal, but you are happy but you do not show it.

    If you are a goaltender and you think you have the puck smothered you are pissed.

    If you are a forward and you do not give up on the puck until the whistle blows you keep digging and are happy when it works out.

    Refs are not incompetent, they are human. Reffing high speed, rough hockey with split second decisions is the hardest game to ref, because you have to skate, avoid players, get screamed at, remain calm and focused, make the right decision with slow motion and replays to second guess you. Reffing…..no thanks.

    If you are Ottawa you feel cheated.

    If you are Montreal you feel vindicated.

    If you are a Montreal fan you call the Ottawa fans whinners and isn’t that a prime case of calling the ‘kettle black’, because if the situation was reversed, the whiners would be reversed.


    • jlgib1019 says:

      That may be the best and truest post I’ve ever seen here.WJC


    • bigjames says:

      Actually who here has reffed a competitive sporting event? I regularly ref kids rugby matches and I can tell you it is tough to always be in the right place without interfering in the game. I know rugby very well yet coaches are always questioning my calls and I try as hard as I can to be fair.

      • Captain aHab says:

        I used to referee broomball….I feel your pain.

        Me skull and crossbones arn’t the only thing I plan on raisin’ tonight.

        • crane says:

          I used to play broomball 4 times a week,had about 20 teams in our area ,men and ladies.The sport is pretty much done here in south west Ontario.

  32. Mr_MacDougall says:

    When I see Subban make rushes I always imagine him as a centre.. Think he could go toe to toe with Crosby, Toews, Datsyuk, Getzlaf???

    Not suggesting it, just day dreaming.. We don’t need to be serious all the time!

    ~~ Plekanec at the Disco ~~

  33. 24 Cups says:

    I know you shouldn’t count your chickens before they hatch (what a great expression) but Buffalo really sucks right now.
    – their GD is -68
    – the team has scored just 132 goals
    – their home record is 12-19-5
    – they have lost their last five games in which they scored a total of five goals
    – Buffalo’s highest point scorer has 36 which is on pace for a year end total of 44.
    – You think Bourque is bad news? Ville Leino, who makes 4.5M a year, has yet to score a goal this season. And that’s on a team where he could easily get first line minutes and tons of PP time. Maybe the Briere UFA signing wasn’t so bad after all 🙂

    • jlgib1019 says:

      If we lost last night,then I would have said we were going to lose tonight. I can’t see us losing tonight now. Momentum


    • wjc says:

      All this is what makes Buffalo dangerous, nothing to play for except pride and maybe a team and contract next year.

      The stats mean something until you go on the ice and want to be spoilers, because after all what else his left except a long well paid vacation on a exotic beach with half naked babes and a ton of money to spend and golf courses to try you great golf clubs on, expensive restaurants, hotels, booze and more broads then anyone could ever enjoy.

      The nightmare, does it ever end and maybe a guaranteed contract worth about 5 mil a year.


  34. Old Bald Bird says:

    To my eyes, when the Habs have those incredible first periods, they usually falter. They are not generally a team than can do well when they dominate like that. They don’t have enough finishing power, and I think it leaves them flat for the rest of the game. I think they need to play on an even keel — not too high and not too low.

    I am not communicating this well, so it probably makes no sense to anyone but myself.

    • habstrinifan says:

      I think they play on too ‘even’ a keel. Their game needs the energy and bonding emotion of unpredictability and daring and error recovery.

      I may not be communicating my point well but I hope it makes sense. Yours I got and obviously disagree somewhat with.

      I think we are kinda saying the same thing… the right level of emotion at the right time must get the players over the feeling of deja vu drudgery… especially after a hapless first period like last nite.

      • Old Bald Bird says:

        I think maybe we are observing the same thing from opposite sides of the coin as it were. It just seems to me that when they are utterly dominant early, they fade later. I think they would do better to play at a high but not frenzied tempo for the whole game. They seldom seem to come out ahead in the long run when they play a first period like that.

    • Cal says:

      You’re right. The Habs start at such a high pace that they can’t maintain it. It would be nice to see them score 3 or 4 after starting like that, but more often than not, lately, they score none or only one.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Agreed. When we ‘dominate’ a period but fail to score, it’s not as convincing as when the Penguins do so, or the Canucks used to. It doesn’t lead you to believe that the next period the luck will even out, like it does for teams who routinely score. For us, it’s more par for the course, players going hard but being stone-handed around the net.

    • wjc says:

      I think the answer is to stop having great first periods. Even keels are hard to find, you have to go for it.

      You are communicating well, BALD BIRD, and I understand you, but the only flaw in the arguement is you got to go for it and hope for the best.

      The second period the opposition has adjusted, the Canadiens are trying to do what they did in the first period again.

      The opposition then gets a break and scores and the Canadiens say to themselves, “what do we have to do” and lose confidence and squeeze there sticks tighter, which of course only causes sore hands and sawdust. The opposition then turns if up because they are now having success, for which they thought would not be theirs on this particular night and enjoy the ride.

      The Canadiens now down by a couple start to panic and force things and get into penalty trouble and the fans say “here we go again” and of course blame some players for all the troubles and start planning for the coaches to be fired along with the G.M. and the hot dog venders.

      When this happens a couple of times it becomes a habit that they expect because after all they can get chances but can’t score and the other team will find a way to survive this then thrive.

      The fans will jeer, trade, demote, kick, gouge and players that they feel is vulnerable at the particular time, thus, causing the players to wish they were anywhere else, however with television they are never anywhere else, not like the 50’s and 60’s when you could not see every game and the players could get pissed in private on a train heading somewhere over night. They could play a lazy stinker of a game and the reporters would cover it up because they were as bad or worse then the players and did not want there wives kids to know what a bunch of cigar smoking drunks they were. They all kind of chuckle about the ole days.


      • Old Bald Bird says:

        Good thoughts, but shouldn’t the aim be to play at a high but sustainable pace? Surely they can’t think that they can sustain that “whirling dervish” pace? I am not basing my thoughts on a few recent games but on a trend I have noticed with this team for a few years now. But yes I see your point. How do you get the boys to tone it down when the adrenalin is flowing? I can see that it’s a problem.

    • boing007 says:

      Makes sense to me.

      Richard R

  35. Danno says:

    Right after Eller scored last night….


    March 15, 2014 at 9:48 pm

    Cue the comeback.


    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”
    Updates, highlights & great discussions on all things Habs

  36. 24 Cups says:

    – Hab fans like to harp about the refs in the NHL but Ottawa sure must be wondering what happened last night.
    – Did anybody notice that the guys who saved the day were Briere, DD, Gionta and Bouillon? Average height of all four is 5’8″.
    – Believe it or not but the Habs have been playing better of late. Really. That first period could easily have been 5-1. The fact they bounced back (with a ton of Irish luck) should do wonders for the spirit of the team as they move forward.
    – I can’t believe how DD has turned around his season this year. He is everything that Scott Gomez stopped being two years ago. I love the fact that he was 19-7 in the face-off circle. His resurgence will have a direct impact on Eller’s future as a Hab.
    – Somebody won 50M in Friday’s lottery. Those are the same odds as picking Bouillon to score the winner in overtime.
    – Poor Lars Eller. He scores his first goal in ages and just stands there dumbfounded. No facial expression whatsoever. This guy needs to see a shrink. He also needs to start playing with an edge again. The reason he is taking so many dumb penalties is because he is always a half second behind the play. Crank it up, Lars.
    – I know it’s early but any thought of re-signing Vanek for 49M can stop right now. He’s not a great skater and does very little once the puck leaves the offensive zone. He’s not an elite talent like some of the other players in the league who haul down big coin. I also haven’t been that impressed with Mike Weaver. To be fair, he’s only had limited action. Speaking of Dmen, Murray was brutal last night. He fell on his ass twice which led to two goals. Please insert Tinordi in Murray’s place for the Buffalo game.
    – Galchenyuk may be great one day but he sure isn’t right now. This kid needs to get stronger.
    – Briere is starting to heat up. This is always his time of year to shine. Therrien needs to give him tons of ice and PP time.
    – Speaking of Therrien, he needs to work on his facial expressions (or lack thereof) when he’s behind the bench. Half the time he looks like he’s in a trance or totally disinterested. How about showing some enthusiasm and life behind the bench? Who knows, it might just be contagious.
    – This point is for the posters who are 40 and under. Did you like how Subban flew down the ice from one end of the rink to the other? That’s what the stars did in the NHL back in the day. Frank Mahovlich and Guy Lafleur come to mind. Is Subban the best ‘all-round’ skater in the NHL? I think so.
    – Just like is some timed Olympic events, I have always wondered what 3/10 of a second really is. Now I know.

    • twilighthours says:

      Subban was a stud. And played his own part in that comeback.

    • jlgib1019 says:

      Eller had the perfect reaction,as we were still out of it. Look at his reaction on the 3rd goal,much different.
      Galch needs to play at center,to learn the position. His strength is fine for a 19-20 yr old.
      PK’s rushing reminds me of an Orr,Coffey or even Robinson for dmen.Peter M had some of that dazzling stickhandling also


      • 24 Cups says:

        All young players basically need to bulk up. It’s part of the maturation process for athletes as they transition into real manhood.

        If Galchenyuk played centre right now he’d get eaten alive. Especially in the face-off circle. He would also need sheltered minutes and zone starts which would impact the other lines. If he’s going to play centre, he’ll need a full training camp as well as a half season of growing pains. The most obvious switch would probably be with Eller as Lars would become a LW.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Good summation, lots of good points in there.

    • Chris says:

      Subban is certainly up there if he isn’t #1. Crosby, Subban, Doughty, Marleau, Karlsson, Duchene, Kessel, Datsyuk…pick one and you’ve got a pretty solid case. 🙂

      • 24 Cups says:

        Chris – I marvel at how strong Subban is on his skates. He also can change direction and gears just like he was a pretzel.

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          I’m amazed at how well he can dig an edge in and bank into a turn. No one can keep up with him on those sharp turns. Is that just leg strength, is it how he sharpens his skates?

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Lots of good points. One which I don’t see discussed often on here is how improved we are at faceoffs, as a team. David Desharnais must have done some work over the summer, because he used to be relatively poor at them, but this season is doing relatively well.

      The lol kids were making fun of Brandon Prust being asked to take draws tonight, and I saw him win some commandingly.

  37. Mr_MacDougall says:

    I hear lots about the final goal..

    Hears how I’ll decide it, the ‘Smash Factor’ must be used.

    Had that goal been scores on the Habs what would your ‘Smash Factor’ be (a scale of 1 to 10 where 10 is smashing electronics in your living room.. 7.5 is using your remote to throw a 4 seamer into the wall)

    For me, if the Habs lost on a goal like that my Smash Factor would have been very high, cursing, maybe a fist in the coffee table, rough up the girlfriend, flip the end table…

    I’d say the ref messed up! But hey, I’ll take it..

    ~~ Plekanec at the Disco ~~

    • Mike Boone says:

      Let’s can the talk of roughing up girlfriends, OK?

      Mike Boone
      Hockey Inside/Out blogger

      • on2ndthought says:

        thank you, Mr. Boone!

        “a cannonading drive”

      • Mr_MacDougall says:

        Seriously? That’s what you take from this? How sensitive has the world become? I know abuse is no laughing matter but if you are unable to see the context of that paragraph and are offended by it, I’m sorry. But I’m really not, I know how I treat and respect women.. If I had said slap my buddy in the face would you have commented? Absolutely not, sexist on your part by being overly sensitive.

        ~~ Plekanec at the Disco ~~

        • habstrinifan says:

          Disagree with your comparison Mr_MacDougall. I think youjust made a silly faux-pas we ‘used to’ make and correctly is no longer correct.

          Monsieur Boone is right! And I DO NOT think your intent was malicious.

          No foul no harm ‘move on’ time.

          • Mr_MacDougall says:

            Agree this day and age I should be more sensitive.. I guess we joke about that stuff with one another when out with friends in a private setting.. Neither of us have experienced abuse first hand.

            Def move on time.

            ~~ Plekanec at the Disco ~~

      • DipsyDoodler says:

        In context:

        ” maybe a fist in the coffee table, rough up the girlfriend, flip the end table…”

        maybe “girlfriend” in this case means his hand? Rough up the girlfriend means smash his right fist through the coffee table. Maybe?

        Moving. Forward.

  38. Kooch7800 says:

    Wow, what an ending. I thought we were dead in the water last night. Regardless of the calls it was nice to see some go the habs way for once. Most of the disallowed goals are against us. Hockey God’s balancing out.

    Our defence is still a major concern. Murray was just awful. You think he would learn not to pinch after he gets burned but he kept doing it last night. Murray should be in the press box tonight. The cube was not great either but hasn’t played in eons.

    Hopefully this win will wake up this team a bit

    • jlgib1019 says:

      Have you seen Markov’s play ? Why not talk about his pinches that led to a couple of breakaways,his frequent turnovers and his turnstyle defence. His days of being very good are over,and you can’t live in the past. He should not be re-signed. No good GM will give him more than a 1 yr deal. Only a scrub like Bergevin or one of the bottom feeders will give him a multi year. he’s done.


      • Kooch7800 says:

        Markov didn’t look good either last night. Unfortunately, Emelin is not helping that either. He isn’t the same player and probably won’t be after his surgery. I hope he regains his form next year. Markov hopefully will be used a little less next year and more of a pp guy.

        This team needs to shake up their pp big time. 0 for 7 is brutal against a non playoff team playing their back up. Markov and subban are way too predictable

        “Lets Go Canada”

  39. Shackles says:

    As a resident of our nation’s capital, the childish lack of objectivity displayed by Sens fans and the local media makes me appreciate the regular criticism of the HIO commentariat. As exaggerated as it can be from time to time, at least we can recognize the team’s shortcomings instead of making up ridiculous and imaginary excuses, blaming everyone else and their dog.

    • CJ says:

      They are a desperate team. I hope they come unglued today and get blown out by the Av’s. As much as the spotlight is on Therien, MacLean needs to look in the mirror. They had five days to prepare for this game and followed the time off up by laying an egg in the first period. They talk about luck, calls, etc. They are lucky it wasn’t 5-0 after the first period. Against almost any other team they would have been blown out. Their goal? A deflected pass, ends up on Spezza’s stick. It was a gift.

  40. Cal says:

    A little Luck of the Irish last night for Habs fans. And no, Lehner did not have the puck covered, and, yes, the ref-Ferlat- clearly saw that it was loose. Otherwise, he would have whistled it down.
    Last night, I watched the Sens hook, hold, slash and interfere on almost EVERY play and they complain that the refs jobbed them? Their style speaks to the “laissez-faire” reffing we’ve been seeing this season. Somehow last night, the refs decided they weren’t going to allow one team to cheat throughout the proceedings. So, yes, the Sens drew 7 penalties. But, no, the Habs didn’t score any goals on the PP.
    Gutsy effort. Let’s see more of that tonight, and put the losing behind.
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  41. jlgib1019 says:

    Every mistake Murray makes ,this board lights up like a Christmas tree. He needs a better/faster D-man than Weaver to make up his deficiencies. He is still a much needed piece to this team,until we get some toughness on the back end. He made some big hits,cleared the front(very important aspect that many here don’t realize or understand) and protects players from the Neil’s,Smith’s of the league. At 12-14 min. he’s a needed piece


    • twilighthours says:

      No, he’s not needed. And yes, I played contact hockey. And yes, I understand the value of hitting or clearing the net. But no, he’s not needed: because he is a bad hockey player.

      • Habfan10912 says:

        And that ladies and gentleman is called an anticipatory post. Well played Twi.

      • jlgib1019 says:

        Sorry,I don’t think you do. You should have watched the playoffs vs. sens last year,then you may understand “net-front” presence better.


      • Chris says:

        At this point, I have to agree…I just don’t see the added value of his physical presence off-setting the absolute lack of foot-speed. He’s a liability at this point.

        I would rather see Tinordi in his place: Tinordi makes many more mistakes than Murray, but he is so much more mobile that he can get involved in more plays. And he’s got a future, whereas Murray is on his way out of the league.

        • jlgib1019 says:

          I respect your opinion Chris,though I disagree. You’re not one of the “wise guys” here who circle the wagons and comment on posters instead of hockey


        • twilighthours says:

          I don’t agree that tinordi makes many more mistakes than Murray. But yes, I’d much rather give Murray’s minutes to player 24

          • jlgib1019 says:

            I thought Murray and Bealieau were a very good combo,as each made up for the other’s shortcoming and more importantly we were WINNING. If you want a D consisting of Cube,Weaver Diaz and Gorges to go with PK and Markov,that’s cool,but it won’t be too successful in todays game

  42. TheMostCupsPeriod says:

    I totally agree about the reffing, but it’s great to get a call for once . Last years soccer goal still burns me…

  43. TheMostCupsPeriod says:

    Please, i remember a Buffalo game when Price was pitch forked into net in OT for winning goal.
    Maybe when Spezza slashed him at faceoff made his eyesight better!

  44. Habfan10912 says:

    NHL Network in the US is showing the Dogs vs. Marlies game today at 5:00 pm.

  45. TheMostCupsPeriod says:

    He was beside the net. I’m sure he is on Habs payroll then?

  46. jeffhabfan says:

    Wow what a comeback Last night. I turned it off after the 4th goal to make it 4 to 1.GO HABS GO.

    • jlgib1019 says:

      I have to admit,I thought Habs had zero chance and without Prusts fight and what I thought would be more to come,I would have shut it off


  47. TheMostCupsPeriod says:

    The puck was never under his pad. It was in front of his pad under his hovering blocker. Ref cod see it the whole time…

    • Chris says:

      Not from where the referee was standing. No chance.

      Before Desharnais came in, the puck was in Lehner’s pad, and he had his blocker down in front of the pad protecting it. From the overhead view, you could not see that puck, so there is no chance that Ferlat could see it. He simply blew the call.

      • ClutchNGrab says:

        He pointed at it.

        • Chris says:

          Then he has x-ray vision.

          I’m not sad for the Senators…they got the calls in the playoffs last season.

          But switch the jerseys and Montreal fans would be losing their poop this morning. It would be ugly.

          That was incompetent refereeing, probably the one thing that the NHL now has a premium on. The game is simply becoming unwatchable partially because the refereeing standards are brutally bad.

          • Habfan10912 says:

            Everybody has better eyes then me. Some like you, see a frozen puck. Some others see a loose puck. I can see nothing.

            I see Lehner kind of look to his right and I wonder if the Ref then guesses the puck was loose.

            You’re right about the NHL officiating though. Even I can see that.

      • Max says:

        Don’t be joking man.The tv viewers saw the frozen biscuit just laying there amidst the scrum.He was looking at it the whole time and had a great view.It was a good ref call for once not to blow the play dead as that cookie was ripe for the taking and the habs took it and scored.Solid call for any team in that situation. I was standing and pointing at the screen saying”there it is”,psycho Lehner never covered the booty as hard as he may have tried.He needs to take some prozac and get a pacifier and sleep in today.

        • Chris says:

          You can’t free a puck by jabbing at equipment. The puck was on Lehner’s pad, and he had his blocker down in front of it. The play is frozen.

          If they are going to insist on that the goalie only gets a whistle by covering the puck with a glove, we’re going to see more ridiculous goals like the one Budaj gave up the other night as goalies readjust their position to get the puck under a pad or get their glove on it.

          If the NHL is going to start allowing plays like that, look for it to be open season on NHL goalies in the playoffs.

          • Max says:

            The thing is that Lehner thought he had it covered, but with all that huge,bulky equipment goalies wear these days,they are losing their feel for the puck in many situations like the one last night.Budaj is getting famous for it as well.Just because the goalie thinks it’s covered,it may not in fact be as was the case last night. There were a few inches of daylight on my screen between Lehner’s equipment and that biscuit and that ref was glaring straight at it and letting the kids play for it.

          • jlgib1019 says:

            I thought that was a good goal. I think we got the benefit of calls all night though.7 pps for us,while they let alot of calls by Habs go


          • Chris says:

            Max: I agree. That Budaj play was a bit weird. One of the things that happens in cases like that is that the goalies don’t know where the puck is, and if they don’t get a quick whistle then they start to panic and wonder where it is if it isn’t covered.

            The problem on the Budaj goal was that he was alone at first and well out of his crease. He probably felt he had to play it or risk getting a penalty (like Rask) given that the referee wasn’t blowing the whistle.

  48. habstrinifan says:

    Good Morning Everyone!

    Great Win!

    Please stop sending me all those invitations to card games tonite… some as far away as Kiev!

  49. Un Canadien errant says:

    What a game! Love to see my team make a big comeback, and the Senators lose their excrement because of it. What looked like a disappointing loss, a reason to start asking some tough questions, and a good night to avoid HIO turned into a comeback for the ages, and the sweetest 180 I’ve seen in a long time.

    As Pierre Houde and Marc Denis pointed out during the game, the Canadiens dominated play in the first period but came off the ice at the first intermission tied 1-1, which isn’t a recipe for success. You let an adversary hang around, and he can get a second wind and come back in the fight. When you have him on the ropes, you want to finish him. Sure enough, the Sens scored late in the second period, and twice early in the third to seemingly put the game away.

    Carey Price looked at least rusty on a couple of those goals, if not weak. He seemed to go back to last year’s bad habit of ‘flinching’, of dropping to his knees into the butterfly before the shooter has fired the puck. Now, that might work on shots through traffic when you’re screened, you’re playing the percentages, covering the bottom of the net, and hoping that the shooter couldn’t pick a top corner. In these two instances though, the shooter had a clear sightline, and had time to go top-shelf, so dropping down before they shoot was at least counter-productive.

    The thing is though, Carey didn’t capitulate. He kept making saves in the third period, notably on a couple of breakaways, and made them look easy sometimes, so that was encouraging. I did formulate the defeatist, pessimistic, uncharitable thought that Carey wasn’t achieving much by doing so, he was only keeping the score respectable, and adding saves to ‘amortize’ the goals he’d allowed. Aside from padding his save percentage, there was no benefit to these saves. It was too late for heroics.

    Except Lars scored to make it 4-2. By being in front of the net and cashing in a bouncing puck, I hoped he’ll note, not by skating a big circle around the periphery of defenders in the offensive zone, stickhandling himself into knots while his checkers breathe a sigh of relief that he’s not taking the puck to the net. Anyway, unlike Yannick Bouchard opined on l’Antichambre, I think Lars celebrated this goal appropriately. He’d had a tough game to that point, being -4, so I’m glad he didn’t go into a prolonged touchdown dance, as you’ll see some NFL players perform even when their team is down by 30 points. Lars was sober, almost dour, he saluted his teammates, and indicated he wanted to get back to work, instead of mugging for the fans.

    Then Brian Gionta, who’s being pushed down the lineup with the resurgence of Daniel Brière, the addition of Thomas Vanek, and his own unproductive play, tipped in a smart feed from P.K., and it was 4-3. The celebration was more pronounced on this one, the boys encouraging each other that it wasn’t over, that they still had a chance. A chance which got much better half a minute later when Kyle Turris was called for hooking on Andrei Markov.

    Again we see the NHL in all its brain-dead glory on this play. Mr. Turris was beaten on the faceoff, the play was going the other way, and he was caught behind it. He reacted by hooking Andrei. He broke the rules. He tried to cheat. He was caught by the refs, and appropriately given a two-minute penalty. Except the Ottawa coach indicated he thought Andrei, or maybe in his parlance “player seventy-nine”, had dived, and the play-by-play team kind of agreed. He had been hooked, sure, but he should have ‘fought through it’, to allow the officials the discretion to not blow their whistles. They should have “let them play”. And by “them”, of course, we mean the cheaters. Let the cheaters play, don’t send them to the box. Let the hookers hook. Let the slashers slash. Let the facewashers facewash.

    It’s utter madness, and the NHL can’t see it, can’t understand it. The NHL is the proverbial frog in the pot of water that’s being brought to a boil gradually, and doesn’t know it’s being cooked alive, it doesn’t notice the change in the environment it’s immersed in. It’s like the zombies in that episode of “The Walking Dead”, who slowly, inexorably, approach the pikes staked into the ground, clearly in front of them, and unseeingly, brutishly, impale themselves upon them. And don’t flinch, but keep trudging forward, on the stake that’s going through their chest.

    The NHL spouts off about player safety, but allows Chris Neil and 6’4″ Eric Gryba, he of the 6 goal, 4 year collegiate career, to be desirable components of an NHL team. By calling only some of the infractions that are being committed, by allowing some grey areas in penalties such as slashing, by raising the bar as to what constitutes a penalty depending on the clock, the score, the uniforms being worn, what has transpired earlier in the game, or what Don Cherry might say, the NHL allows players of low talent to remain on teams and on the ice, and bring ‘energy’ and concussion and broken teeth to the proceedings. So Tom Sestito plays, but Yannick Weber sits.

    Thankfully in this case, Kyle Turris sat, deservedly, and Michel Therrien decided not to let the foot off the throat of the Senators, and pulled Carey to put six skaters on the powerplay. It was a risky move, in that the comeback could abort if a clearance from the penalty killers hit the net, but he pushed his chips in, and he was rewarded when David Desharnais tied the score with three tenths of a second to spare. We’ll see if the coach gets credit for his decision, or whether the naysayers change the subject and criticize him on something else. Like how stifled and ruined P.K. looked tonight.

    The ensuing faceoff was a mere formality before the horn sounded for overtime, and Sens captain Jason Spezza took the opportunity to take a vigourous hack at the puck, and on the follow-through, hack at the referee’s skate. Mr. Spezza was agitated throughout the game, and his emotions got the better of him, but I fully expect that he’ll have to face some discipline for abuse of an official. There are no mitigating circumstances here, it was a transparent act, and screamed of a lack of respect for the game and the officials. Now, the Canadiens often enough are victims of questionable refereeing, but I would never countenance one of our players doing something like this, let alone our captain.

    As if to pile it on the Sens, they lost early in overtime, on a play on which the referees judged that goalie Robin Lehner hadn’t quite frozen the puck, and the Canadiens never stopped digging for it, until it squirted loose, right to an onrushing Francis Bouillon who made no mistake and cashed it in. And the Sens’ recriminations went hypersonic.

    It was Francis’ first goal of the season, and I’m glad he got it. He’s been assailed on social media as being terrible, and frankly I don’t see it. He’s a very cost-effective player, on a one-year extension to his very reasonable deal from last year. He sat out a long stretch of games when the coaches felt that Douglas Murray brought more to the team with his size and toughness, but now that Josh Gorges is injured, he’s drawn back in, and appropriately so. He won’t wow anyone with his play, but as a replacement for Josh, a guy who’ll play a regular shift and kill penalties and make sound decisions and not kill you with inexperience and mistakes, he’s providing what the Canadiens are paying him for. To hear some speak of him, it’s like he’s Tomas Kaberle and Sean Avery wrapped into one player, so objectionable his presence on our roster is to them.

    Francis’ partner P.K. had a hell of a game. He doled out big hits early, although he almost mangled David Desharnais on a missed check on a Senator. Luckily, he let up and David saw him coming at the last second, or else he would have JVR’ed him, as Marc Denis rightly pointed out.

    Over and above that, P.K. made good decisions all game. Once the Canadiens were down, he opened it up and tried to make something happen with a few rushes and desperation plays at the offensive blue line. He showed good situational awareness in doing so. P.K. is too smart to not understand this, I think it’s just that he lets his passion and emotion cloud his judgment sometimes, but he’ll eventually figure out when to step on the accelerator, when the team needs to score, and when to make the safer plays, when the game is close or the team has a lead. Again, like Larry Robinson or Guy Lapointe used to do, he should go on rushes occasionally to keep the opposition honest, or when there is a clear opportunity, but not force it when it’s not there. Push it when you’re behind, ease up when you’re leading, and you’ll be fine P.K.

    P.K. also seems to trust his teammates more the last couple of games, he is passing the puck sooner, not looking for a perfect pass to create a breakaway every time now, but rather just headmanning it, moving it to a teammate ahead of him with a head of steam already generated, moving it out of his zone and towards the opponent’s net, and that’s a net plus. If he starts to think of the game as golf, where you’re better off over eighteen holes to hit the ball safely to an area where you have a high percentage of making another safe shot that’ll get you closer to the pin. Or, he needs to think of it like a game of pool. Sure the big hammer shot is satisfying, but you’re better off sinking balls under control, controlling your cue ball, leaving yourself in good position to make your next shot, and the one after that. A succession of safe plays stacked on top of each other will lead to a positive result more often than a bunch of Hail Marys.

    A nice aspect of this win is that it relieves a lot of the pressure on Thomas Vanek, compared to if they’d slinked into Buffalo after another demoralizing loss. Now, with a bracing win in their pocket, fingers won’t be pointed at the new acquisition, wondering when the results will come. Instead, the heat has been turned off the boiler, and I have a suspicion that, on his return to his former team’s rink, the dam will burst in his case.

    It will be interesting to read the reaction from Ottawa on several controversial events in this game. For example, the Brandon Prust-Milan Michalek fight was a bit of a surprise, but based on what I saw, and maybe my biases, the Senator got what he wanted. There was a lot of mugging and slashing from both players, it was all fair game according to the refs up to that point, until Mr. Michalek took the first couple of gloved punches. Also, on the tying goal by the Canadiens, apparently the Senators were up at arms that a penalty should have been given to the Canadiens beforehand for tripping. Pierre Houde and Marc Denis misidentified the culprit as Max Pacioretty, but I believe it was actually Thomas Vanek who tripped a Sen as he skated to retrieve a loose puck.

    Trouble with this is that the only reason the Sen was in a position to skate for the open puck is that he or one of his teammates had just crosschecked Mr. Vanek in the back, to the ice. And before that, there were any number of muggings and holds and slashes that could have been called on them. Now the Canadiens were not virginally virtuous, but realistically, they were playing 6-on-4, and trying to pass the puck around so they could score, whereas their opponents were desperately ‘defending’, with all the thuggery and lawlessness that entails. So maybe a penalty could have been called on the Habs, but I’d wager that for every one in that sequence, the Senators were guilty of three.

    So a great win, one that made me jump off my couch, and one which made me glad I didn’t start fast-forwarding in the third period. I love my PVR, but when it comes to hockey, we need to be careful not to give up on games before the players do, and this was just further evidence of that.

    My sources are unreliable, but their info is fascinating.–Woody Paige


    • twilighthours says:

      Dude are you up at 5am? Or not even gotten to sleep yet?

    • CranbrookEd says:

      Wow . . . thanks for the synopsis! Missed the game as we were driving home from LA – that would be LA as in Lethbridge Alberta . . . your “story” and commentary is appreciated! 🙂

      Mr. Beliveau: “Pure Pak mais oui”! . . .

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Love driving in our neck of the woods, fantastic scenery, but prefer to do it in summer. I’ve been caught by an avalanche twice on Highway 1, forced to spend the night in Revelstoke, which isn’t as glamourous as it might sound.

    • habstrinifan says:

      Allowed me to catch up on the ‘innards’ of a game I was able to completely ignore.. until I got home.


      I like your comment “keep the opposition honest”. I think it applies especially in hockey more than even coaches recognize. One coach who absolutely recognized it in his career.. even though we hate him… was Don Cherry.

      He always talked about not always judging Guy Lafleur on how he looked or played one period or one night. When he was out there you always had to be aware that he was.

      Coaches need to allow their P.K’s and Lafleurs (I am NOT comparing) to do their stuff every now and then to keep the opposition honest.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        I think P.K. suffers from some irrational exuberance sometimes, as Alan Greenspan might say. He’ll figure out when to rush the puck and when to make use of his teammates. The thing is, he should know that once he passes it, it’ll come back to him, it’s not as if he needs to hog it to keep it away from bigger puck hogs like Peter Mahovlich.

        Tonight when he rushed the puck, he got good results, once stickhandling in for a strong zone entry, and once when he got all the way to the net and got off a good shot. If he uses these rushes as one arrow in his quiver, he will keep the opponents on their toes, wondering what he’ll do next. He’s already much better at that on the blue line this season, on the powerplay, with his shot selection, with his decisions to pass or deke or wrist it or walk the line. Andrei is rubbing off on him.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Thanks for a great morning read Normand.

  50. HankHardball says:

    It couldn’t have happened to a more deserving Walrus.

  51. CJ says:

    Good morning folks!

    Not sure what I can add to the comments last night, or perhaps more appropriately, from earlier this morning.

    Sens fans are livid. As I explained last night, they didn’t lose because we enjoyed seven PP opportunities (keep in mind we went 0-7) they lost because they didn’t score on one of their four third period breakaways, or because they couldn’t defend a three goal lead with just over three minutes to play.

    Excuses are for losers, and the Senstors are exhibit A. Blaming the refs is a veiled attempt at covering up for what’s been a terrible season. The Sens are going into their eighth season under Bryan Murray’s guidance, with a grand total of ONE playoff series victory. Their owner is crazy and their fans don’t support the team despite the third lowest ticket prices in the league.

    This is a long way of saying I’m the happiest man in Ottawa this morning. I might just dress the boys up in their Canadiens gear and parade the family around town this afternoon. They are under the weather, otherwise this would be just plain fun.

    Lastly, @ D Mex, I invite you to read my post on the preceding thread. You have clearly misread and/or misunderstood my comments. I never said Price sucks. I was very clear when I stated that the messages regarding last nights game were A) from Sens fans (which implies not me), B) were from fringe fans (again, implying Sens fans) and C) nonsensical (again, Sens fans). Sorry my man, but when you call me out publicly in front of the group, you best ensure your information is correct. Lastly, no hard feelings here. Today is far, far too wonderful to get hung up on friendly fire between two Canadiens fans.

    Now, about those two points in Buffalo…… Let’s getter done! Cheers, CJ

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Morning CJ. I trust your morning in your Nations Capital is a bit more enjoyable today, eh?

      • CJ says:

        Boys are sick and whiny and my wife had to go to work (hospital) last night. Everyone is tired and grumpy……

        But, the Canadiens beat the Senators! Yes, today is PERFECT!

        • habstrinifan says:

          Too cold to go out today CJ. Keep them cuddled in bed. Have yourself a hot Toddy.

          Are boys old enough for school? Starts back tomorrow.

          • CJ says:

            My oldest is in preschool Montessori. He is 3. Our little guy just turned one. I like the idea of a hot drink and day inside. Cheers, CJ

    • Chris says:

      Honestly, Sens fans have every right to be angry at the officials after that overtime goal. I would be absolutely livid were the shoe on the other foot, if that goal were scored on Price.

      There is simply no way the referee can let that play proceed: Lehner had the puck under his pad for at least a second until Desharnais came in and poked his pad. Another couple of seconds elapsed, at which point there was absolutely no way the referee could see the puck, allowing Pacioretty to come in from the faceoff dot and jam the puck free and allow Bouillon’s goal.

      You can even make an argument that the Desharnais tying goal could have been waved off. Vanek was pushed into the crease, but he absolutely shoved Lehner while he was in there. I can understand letting that one go, but the referees really should have blown it dead and called incidental contact in the crease and had another faceoff.

      When you throw in the two penalties against the Senators for goaltender interference, it isn’t hard to believe that they fans in Ottawa would be railing against the NHL and its referees this morning. Habs fans undoubtedly would be that much louder and more angry if it were us. 🙂

      I just hope people remember this game the next time the Habs get absolutely shafted by the referees. It happens to every team in the league. The referees aren’t biased: they are simply incompetent.

      • CJ says:

        Did you watch the game on RDS or CBC Chris? I ask because the RDS broadcast showed that the puck was in fact not covered by Lehner. CBC, conveniently, did not have this footage. Fanning the flames, maybe?

        No denying that some of the calls were borderline at best, but the Habs went 0-7 on the PP. Ottawa needs to look in the mirror. Surrendering a three goal lead with just over 3 minutes to play is brutal. They now need to regroup in preparation for the Av’s this afternoon. Their season is on life support.

        What comes around goes around. I thought we got shafted last spring, especially in game four. Instead of tying the series 2-2, we went down 3-1. Fitting, because this outcome likely goes a long way to ending their season.

        • Chris says:

          Watch this one: http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?hdpid=49&id=577797&lang=en

          That puck is initially covered. There isn’t much more that Lehner can do: puck was in his pad, blocker was down in front of the pad. You aren’t allowed to free a puck by jabbing the goalie or his equipment with his stick, yet that is exactly what Desharnais did. At 1:02, the whistle has to have gone if you want to protect your goalies.

          After Desharnais, I would freely admit that the puck was now lying open. But at that time, you can also argue that Ferlat had to have lost sight of the puck and should have blown the whistle. At that point, he was sitting off the post, and there is no way he could see the puck from that angle, nor could the back referee.

          • HabFab says:

            To my eye, puck was open between the blocker and pad, therefore still playable which it then was.

          • Max says:

            A similar situation happened to Budaj a few weeks ago as he thought he had the biscuit covered but it in fact wasn’t and the other team got it and scored.Are you a hab’s fan btw?

          • CJ says:

            Hi Chris. Thank you for sharing. Watched it three times. At 1:08 to 1:09 it shows the puck laying, uncovered, beside Lehner. The ref was in perfect position. I get the frustration on that type of play.

            We lost an OT game to the Penguins (the game where Max hit Letang) when Price had the puck covered. Last year, on the night following my son’s birth, we blew a 2 goal lead following a double minor to Ryan White, when Ott scored while pushing the puck and goaltender in.

            Long way of saying I’ve seen worse. The Sens and their fans are pointing to this as the reason for the loss. Like I said, it’s a smoke screen, a veiled effort to cloak their terrible performance in secrecy. They were off since Monday, had all week to prepare and followed that by one of the worst first periods of hockey I’ve watched in a long time. They can deflect all they want, but they lost because they weren’t ready to compete.

          • Chris says:

            Max: Yes, I am a fan. But that doesn’t stop me from observing when the Habs benefit from a referee screw job. My typical rule of thumb, especially the day after, is to pretend the play is going against Montreal and judge how angry I would be. Is anybody honestly able to admit they would have been okay with that if it was Price as the goalie?

            I just worry that this kind of play is going to be open season on goaltenders in the playoffs. You can’t allow guys to start jabbing their sticks into pads or shoving goaltenders, or it is going to be carnage. Remember the Flyers series a few years back where Price was being essentially body-checked in his own crease?

            HabFab: You can’t jab a goaltender’s equipment to free a puck. Short of getting up and dropping on the puck again, Lehner did everything he could to cover that one up given that he is a left-handed catch.

          • Chris says:

            CJ: It is only available at 1:08 and 1:09 because at 1:02 Desharnais jabs into Lehner’s pad. You can see it is open at 1:05 as a result of that play, when Lehner’s pad moves because of contact with Ceci.

            I’m not disputing that it was open for Pacioretty. I am disputing that it was open for Desharnais, 2-3 seconds before that, and about 1-2 seconds after Lehner had the puck as covered as a goalie can do when the puck is on his pad on his blocker side.

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          It’s funny that RDS showed that replay a couple of times, and stated it clearly showed that the puck was loose and playable. But for the life of me I couldn’t see it, literally. I went backward and forward, freeze-framed, nothing. I only assumed the refs had a better vantage point than the net-cam.

          • Chris says:

            I’ve watched the RDS feed a couple of times too, and before Desharnais came in, that puck was as good as frozen. After Desharnais poked Lehner’s pad, you can make the argument that it was open for Pacioretty. The contact between Senators defenders and Lehner certainly opened up some daylight, and that was what Pacioretty pounced on.

        • habstrinifan says:

          Sorry Chris, I absolutely have to agree with CJ. And if the outcome were different with the Sens being the winners I would be saying the same to HABS apologists.

          Admitting I DID NOT see the game. But CJ’s bottom line is strong enough to stand up in all situations .

          Any team in a playoff race situation, “needs to look in the mirror. Surrendering a three goal lead with just over 3 minutes to play is brutal.”

          It is a lesson we should learn too. Just as in the midst of this morning euphoria, I hope the COACHES are meeting and breaking down the PP and coming up with real new ‘schemes’.

          As I said I did not see the game. But the players should celebrate today… the coaches have work to do… big time.

    • Captain aHab says:

      I live on the other side of the river and my neighbour is a diehard Sens fan….today will be fun!

      Me skull and crossbones arn’t the only thing I plan on raisin’ tonight.

  52. rhino514 says:

    The last ten games or so, what with Price and gorges out and Vanek in, offer some interesting insight into this team.

    There is something that ails the team. It doesn´t have to do with scoring goals. The team is having just as much trouble scoring goals since Vanek jas come on board. This team should not have trouble scoring goals. They were third in the league last year in scoring. They don´t even need Vanek.
    This is the first Canadiens team in many years which does not play to the sum of its parts. I know many on here don´t agree but it was a fairly loaded team before Vanek and is definitely a loaded team now.
    In seasons past, you could count on a consistent effort from the team every night. Losses were always close losses. on nights when the puck didn´t go the team´s way.
    This year´s team goes awol for 3 or 4 games in a row and for huge chunks of games.
    Furthermore, if not for Price, this loaded team would be under fivehundred.
    Every forward except for Pacioretty and perhaps Gallagher and Desharnais (after his terrible start) has performed below expectations. Usually you have 1 or 2 guys having off years, not 6 or 7. Additonally, in all my years of watching games, I have never seen a coach change up lines so frequently. You have to figure, with the talent upfront, if MT would simply let the players develop some chemistry, we would have seen quite a few more goals so far.
    This is a pretty tough forum on coaches and I never joined in the fan rebellion against JM, or Carbonneau, but I simply don´t think Therrien gets the habs optimally prepared to play each game.
    The habs came within 0.3 seconds of losing the game last night with a stacked lineup and their star goaltender, at home, unable to score more than a goal, as they have been doing for most games recently. I do think MT has become exposed as a coach; Habs should be doing far better than they´ve shone, Vanek only serves to illustrate the situation more clearly. Adding quality players will not improve the team´s performance when something else seems to be amiss.

    P.S. Even this coach is slowly finding out that Murray is a liability. Bouillon, though he gets no respect around here, is a much better Dman than the hulking Swede. The way the team is built now, Murray should only play with Beaulieu if he is up, tops twelve minutes, or not at all.

    Glad to see Eller, Briere and Gionta all score last night. Despite everything I´ve said, if these guys play well as we go near and into the playoffs, the habs can go deep. Gionta and Briere have a good playoff resume, so there is reason to hope for this.

    • Ktowner says:

      I think you nailed it.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      I think your post is right on as well. It’s either the system or lack of continuity which is an issue. Either of those is on the coach.

      In his defense, games like last night indicate the team doesn’t quit. He should get some credit for that.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Well said, rhino (as usual).

      And your reluctance to dump on Therrien is clear and I share it (although I am definitely NOT as saintly as you — I BURIED JM! To the extent that I’m not sure I could get excited about Boucher coming in, because tactically there are similarities).

      Perhaps, like me, you like to leave some allowance to Therrien for the various factors that us armchair GMs and coaches cannot possibly know (even though we of course believe we know everything, especially if we watch 24CH). In this case, there simply must be something real that necessitates the incessant juggling.

      But I’m with you if the allowance is now used up. Still to be juggling with 14 games left means what you have is less a team and more of a panel of players waiting to turn into a team. I believe the deadline for juggling passed months ago, and that the constant uncertainty as to who your linemates will be has something to do with the intangible issue you describe.

    • habstrinifan says:

      This is a 100 percent great post and accurate. It is NOT a rail against Therrien. A win like this could be used to make all negativity and frustration around the team disappear and energy and positive structure replace it.

      BUT and this is the BUT that people who dismiss Rhino54’s post, and others like HABFAN10912 and HABFA17… and many many others…this PROCESS must start with a brutally honest self evaluation by the COACHES.

      Imagine you a player today, and Therrien and his crew comes in this morning around 11:00 am and say boys “We have some new and exciting stuff for you to do on the PP” Imagine how you would be rocking practice even if it is a 10 min practice.

      RHINO54.. thanks for your post. I hope the coaches see it your way too. Therrien is RIGHT. Winning ‘big games’ like this could set a whole new course.. but not if the coaches come back with the same tired message and the same tired concepts.

      This win could turn out to be either a lucky fluke or a galvanizing bit of fortune.

      Again RHHINO54 IS RIGHT. It’s the coaches who would determine which. NOT the players. I insist after today that people stop dumping on the players like Eller and P.K… players who must be instrumental in any ‘revised’ approach.

      I mean it RHINO54… THANKS… this is a GREAT POST!!!!!!!!!!

  53. Captain aHab says:

    That last game against the Sens will get ugly. The fat walrus will want to take out his ill feelings towards the refs on the Habs. Although Parros isn’t who he used to be, I would dress him with Tinordi, Prust, Moen, White and Murray.

    Me skull and crossbones arn’t the only thing I plan on raisin’ tonight.

  54. Marc10 says:

    People who can barely speak their mother tongue should keep their pie hole well shut when criticising people who can function in a second language.

    • Lafleurguy says:

      With you bud. Too many racists and bigots. And they think they’re smart and witty.

      • Habfan10912 says:

        Once again nice Marc and Guy lead the “class” conversation. Mornin to both you fine gentleman.

        • Lafleurguy says:

          Happy St. Paddy’s Day Eve.

        • HabFab says:

          What in blazes are you guys referring to?

          • Dunboyne Mike says:

            I mostly agree with Marc (and Laf and Jim) but I confess I was wondering the same question as HabFab.

            (My reservation is that I DO accents. Texas, Brooklyn, Belfast, Kerry, German, Pakistan, posh English, Cockney, etc. And Quebecois. All are affectionately intended (and in particular the Quebecois), some of them invite PC opprobrium, and I use accents when reading aloud in school where kids from different ethnic communities or different regions of Ireland plead with me to do theirs. Does it come down to intent? If you speak or write that way to mock an individual, such as Therrien, that’s a different matter. I have never done that here (but I do love the scene in Slapshot when the Quebecois player explains about penalties, and it is most definitely his imperfect English that makes it funny. “And then you are free.”) But then again, what if it’s George Bush, for example? What if you incorporate an imitation of Bush into a hard-hitting, heart-felt critique of one of his NeoCon actions or policies? Or pick your figure.

            Do we just have to be sensitive? I’m not saying I’m right on this. And most of the time I’m the kind of person who would try to avoid doing anything that would lack “class”, and for some reason I wouldn’t imitate a Quebecois accent on this site. But I have and do imitate loads of accents in lots of other contexts….)

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Last few days and I saw again yesterday, the mocking of how MT pronounces words. It is a sure sign of a well developed argument against the specifics of how MT coaches tactically.

            I am almost glad when these arguments are presented, as it only proves that the individual who post such drivel or supports such drivel is exposed for what they are, and invaldiates any other arguments presented.

          • Mr_MacDougall says:

            Justin Timberlake as the goalie in Love Guru was hilarious.. Intent and delivery play a huge role.

            ~~ Plekanec at the Disco ~~

    • Loop_Garoo says:

      So true, also on a forum like this, its a really good thing to know what a person’s first language is before mocking them for their english. The only time it is okay to mock someone’s language skills is if they grew up “speaking” english, and still cannot formulate a coherent sentence or thought.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Thanks Marc, I couldn’t let that one fly by either, I had to respond to the gentleman.

      I do think that a lot of native English speakers don’t understand what’s the big deal about language, because they’ve never had to live in a society where they’re not speaking their native tongue. And an occasional trip to Cancun doesn’t count.

      • twilighthours says:

        In my experience, it’s the drunken, native English speakers that make the least sense (or abuse the language the most).

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        Interested on your thoughts on my confession above, UCE.

        And Twi, I’m sure you’ve encountered in school, as I have, kids who speak English as a non-mother tongue but speak it better than native speakers. Huge amount of that here in Ireland due to major immigration over the past 15 years.

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          I do accents too, when appropriate, it comes from a place of humour and support. I don’t do it to denigrate or demean anyone.

          My french accent is pretty noticeable to some people, especially when I’ve been drinking, and I often good-naturedly overdo it for comic effect.

          When someone gets a little too snide for me though, I’ll straightforwardly ask them how their second language is coming along. That usually shuts them up.

          The fellas are usually just jealous, they hate that American girls looooooove French accents, they’re so curious and ready to hear everything I have to say about speaking French and growing up in Québec and how Montréal is, uhm, how you say, “exotique”?

          • Dunboyne Mike says:

            Never mind your BC acquaintances!
            I am jealous of you!
            Not only that, but even having grown up in Montreal I consider Quebec “exotique”. I did at the time, and I do much more so now that I’m not likely ever to live there again. Cue Joni Mitchell.
            And I agree with the rest of your post, except that if I’m going to denigrate someone, like George Bush, I’ll use any means that comes to hand. My bad.

  55. Captain aHab says:

    After all the Snorator fans told us we were whiners when complaining about the goal that was kicked, it’s funny to see them whining about a puck that wasn’t covered properly by their goalie.

    Me skull and crossbones arn’t the only thing I plan on raisin’ tonight.

  56. Harditya says:

    Congrats to Larry on his 100th NHL point. I hope this man turns it around, he’s a joy to watch when his confidence is soaring high. Next up, Gally and Chucky!

  57. Dunboyne Mike says:

    Can someone in the Ottawa region please check on Mavid? I know I’m far away, but I’m pretty sure I recognised her in the blood-curdling roar of savage, ecstatic triumph that crossed the Atlantic and woke most of western Europe when Frankie scored.

    She may have been picked up already and is now stuck in a police cell or the psychiatric unit of an Ottawa hospital. Also check Paul Maclean’s tool shed — she may be lying in wait. If so, bring chocolate and other foods she likes, plus CDs of soothing music to play on a portable player. And at least two of those long poles with loops at the end that you see on TV on Animal Rescue Houston.

  58. Timo says:

    Therrien: “What I am hoping for this can change the season… those big games like that.”

    And now we know the secret of Therrien’s coaching… hope. He basically hopes. No plan, no strategy, no system… just hope. I have a hope too.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Hey Timo. Only 7 hours between us at the moment.
      Only you saw me do that!
      Catch some zeds. Another big game tonight, and you want to be well rested for the Calgary St Patrick’s Day parade tomorrow.

    • BobbySmithWasClutch says:

      LOL. Honestly, how do you think English speaking players can take a coach seriously when they hear him speak like that. Some of them must be laughing inside. This is not an anti-French comment, I just don’t think Therrien’s command of the English language is very good or even pretty-good, and someone within the Habs organization should be helping him, if they aren’t already. I also thought Timo’s interpretation was amusing.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        He’s just as unpolished in French as he is in English. If Michel Therrien has strengths as a coach, they’re not derived from being an inspirational public speaker. He’s not Paul Maurice or John Tortorella or Marc Crawford, he’s not glib, he won’t wow you with his voice.

        Something you should remember is that a lot of communication is non-verbal, and coaching isn’t about speaking into a microphone. Things like running effective practices and being decisive and being perceived as a ‘fair’ boss play into the equation quite a bit.

        Also, a lot of these players speak English as a second language, and a lot of these players over their careers have come across players who don’t speak English perfectly. They don’t see it as a mortal failing that someone’s vocabulary isn’t, uh, big, and that someone speaks with an accent.

        Your opinion is vaguely imperialistic, suggesting that if someone doesn’t ‘speak white’, they’re not worthy of consideration. I’ll remind you of Martin Luther King’s quote that you should judge someone based on the content of their character.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Timo, do you really believe this stuff, or is it satire/hyperbole that you keep piling on to assassinate Michel Therrien’s character? Because your ‘conclusion’ is not just your average logical fallacy, this one’s a whopper.

  59. Dunboyne Mike says:

    Of course. It was March 15.

    “Et tu, Cubé?”

    Then fell the Senator (s).

  60. Lil Snapper says:

    I will admit that I quit listening to the game after it was 4-1, I was so upset with this team. I couldn’t believe it when I picked up my phone 20 minutes later and we had won. Though I am not too certain we will make playoff noise, we HAD to beat those pricks tonight. I hate Ottawa, what a great feeling to beat them like that! Suck it Fat Walrus!

  61. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …Me thinks I’ll go to cbc.ca’s game stream and re-watch the last 5 minutes of tonight’s game

    …like good sex …One can’t have enough 🙂

  62. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …what I have seen of Tokarski lends Me to the opinion He is a good, but not spectacular AHL goaltender

    …I don’t believe He would be much more than a so-so back-up goaltender in the NHL

    …Budaj, despite 2 poor outings that were as much the fault of the B-level defense and the forward’s poor back-checking effort as it was Budaj’s, should play in Buffalo

  63. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …speculation Canucks considering bringing back Marcus Naslund to the Canucks, this time in the front office

    ‘Markus Naslund non-committal on Canucks rumours’: http://www.cbc.ca/sports-content/hockey/opinion/2014/03/markus-naslund-non-committal-on-canucks-rumours.html

  64. Storman says:

    Paul MacLean loses his sh.t in presser after blowing 3 goal lead to Habs

  65. Timo says:

    Ok, what is the deal with Price not even making a trip to Buffalo? Is he hurt again? I can’t possibly see a reason as to why he’d stay home if he is not injured.

  66. What a great night, the Wheaties won, and I just finished watching the funniest odd comeback since the rags game.

    That was the ugliest defensive game we’ve seen since…..their last game 😆

    Shane Oliver
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  67. The Teacher says:

    Hahaha timo. That observation was humourous 🙂

  68. The Teacher says:

    Cool. Then that wasn’t either of you I was suspecting.

    Did you and Pat have to draw straws for that seat or was it a seniority based decision. Mind you, any seat up there looks pretty special.

  69. Habs1962 says:

    Nice comeback
    Shoulda had the game in hand in the first.
    found a way to win ! should do the team well

  70. The Teacher says:

    You noticed that PK “eff the defense” attitude right about when we started to turn in around also eh Boone? Question for you. Do you or pat hickey sit in front of the 1955-56 Stanley Cup banner?

  71. slyCH says:

    Awww Jezzzz. After over a month hiatus, my 2 threads and a few posts comeback made me realize why I stayed away in the first place. I’m off again. I’m sure you’ll not miss me and nor will I.

    Back to my life.

    • jols says:

      I will miss your profile pic. Well done.

    • HabFab says:

      I hate you just to be clear, but it is pure jealousy… so love the Keys. They are one of my favorite spots.

      A survivors guide to HIO is to always remember that opinions are like A$$#@!&$… everyone has one and some are real stinkers.
      Also “posting under the influence” generally isn’t a good idea.

      • slyCH says:

        So, what influence am I under? Hot weather or chip on shoulder? Go ahead, knock it off…my duracell battery I mean.

        EDIT: Alaways like you HABFAB…By the by. ;^)

        • HabFab says:

          Actually a general comment not directed towards you specifically..gee whiz! Just because I said I hate you is no reason to have a chip on your shoulder with me… “hangs head sadly”

          • slyCH says:

            Bahhhhh, it’s all good. You and the site never been the source of my woes. I’ve been really drop dead busy at work and its only getting worst. My lack of sleep tends to diminish my tolerance and judgement. C’est tout.

          • HabFab says:

            I’m just joshing with you too… in the same boat and have not been on the site much lately myself.

          • slyCH says:

            Never took it personally. Really. Would have slept like a baby even without your gesture. Top of the hat to you!

  72. jimmy shaker says:

    Do I wanna fork out the 100 bucks for a sweet seat in buffalo to watch these guys minus price plus the 4 hour drive there and 4 hour drive back? What to do?

    Shaker out!

  73. jols says:

    Jonathan Drouin had 1 goal and 6 assists tonight. In 46 games he has 108 points. Incredible. Tampa have a superstar in the making on their hands.

  74. Alex says:

    Wow! What a crazy game and even more crazy ending. A great first period that didn’t translate to the scoreboard, an awful second period and up until the last ten minutes, a bad third period. We had many defensive lapses and odd man rushes against us, as well as numerous breakaways for the Sens. All that being said, we never gave up!

    Great to see Eller get a goal, couldn’t have came at a better time. After being -4 until his goal, he finishes strong with two points.

    Price cleaned the rust off his shoulders and kept us in, stopped the shots at the end when it mattered, not to mention all of the breakaway saves.

    Max and Vanek collectively had 11 shots on goal! They may not have scored but I think they may be able to do some damage going forward.

    Frankie Boo of all people comes up with a huge goal! I was cursing Therrien’s name when I saw him out there for OT, but when he scored I was euphoric! Great to see him get a goal.

    Last but not least, PK Subban! What a game by the reigning Norris Trophy winner! 3 assists on our last three goals! 7 shots on net! 4 hits and 2 blocks, with an outstanding 29 minutes TOI! His best game in a long time, if not all season! I hope this is him heating up and playing like the PK we know and love!

    Two very important points were won tonight in the midst of a very tight playoff race. Here’s hoping for two more points against Buffalo tomorrow! We will need them.

    Living in Ottawa, words cannot describe how glad I am we came back and won this game. Sens fans can drive one crazy here, to say the least. I am sure I will never hear the end of how the refs won us the game from the fans in Ottawa, but I believe CJ put it best. No matter the reffing, they still gave up a 4-1 lead within 3 minutes, they couldn’t capitalize on breakaway chances, they couldn’t close out the game. Not to mention Montreal had a staggering 48 shots on goal! A well deserved win indeed and shows that we should never give up!

    As always, Go Habs Go!

    • Timo says:

      You know what’s amazing… is that you typed all this and still ended up being first. Congrats!

      • Alex says:

        My first time getting the first, Thanks Timo!

      • Chris says:

        Even more amazing (and I am truly thankful) is that it wasn’t one of those inane “First” posts that have taken over the site after we managed to go a couple of years without that stupidity.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          That is a pretty wide swath of people you have called stupid.

          Edit: To me, there are days when either not much is happening on the site, or days people are excited about what the Habs are doing and sometimes we get giddy and thus the simplicity of such a post can occur. Nothing stupid about it, but rather I think people excited to show they are here and they are Habs fans.

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          I think that “First” thing is inane as well, and it does have an unsavoury connotation too, that kids in high schools brag about. I hate it, refuse to go along with it.

        • Dunboyne Mike says:

          Chris and UCE — you are curmudgeons!
          I am 100% with Burly on this! Everyone who posts “First!” knows it is just pure silliness. And it only occupies a tiny portion of thread-space before we get back to the entirely SERIOUS business of being armchair coaches/GMs.
          What high school did you go to, UCE?! I’ve never known that “first” stuff to happen anywhere accept elementary! Its existence here is an endearing acknowledgement of those innocent days — which incidentally were the very same innocent days when we were (nearly) all imprinted with the teams to whom we then devoted our life-long fan commitment.
          Curmudgeons, I say!

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