About last night …

AtLA

Your Montreal Canadiens had five shots in the first period.
They had another five in the second.
While this offensive ineptitude was unfolding, the home team didn’t fare any better.
In a 16-minute, 37-second span over the first and second periods, the L.A. Kings had NOT A SINGLE SHOT on Peter Budaj.
Scintillating hockey.

The last goal – Jeff Carter’s power-play winner – was scored a few ticks over four minutes into the second period.

There were a few chances and a couple posts pinged thereafter.

The game got briefly exciting when Peter Budaj went to the bench for an extra attacker. Brendan Gallagher, who could probably skate between Anze Kopitar’s legs, put on one of whirling, twirling dervish shifts to keep the puck in the L.A. zone and maintain hope of stealing at least a point to launch the road trip.

But the home team was full value for their win – fifth in a row for the Kings. Darryl Sutter has them playing a disciplined defensive style that stresses secure puck possession and control of the slot, limiting high-percentage chances against Jonathan Quick.

The Canadiens actually outhit L.A., 42-28 – with Douglas Murray dishing out eight checks, to lead both teams, in his 20 minutes of ice time. But the Kings won most of the physical battles – particularly the ones that ensued after the Canadiens tried one of their countless dump-ins to gain the offensive zone.

As has been the case on most nights this season, David Desharnais’ line was the Canadiens best. Gallagher battled ferociously and DD made some clever plays. But Max Pacioretty, the team’s leading goal-scorer, was held without a SoG and missed the net three times.

Tomas Plekanec won 14 of 20 faceoffs, but linemates Alex Galchenyuk and Brian Gionta were each held to a single SoG.

Notwithstanding Rene Bourque’s three shots, the third line was ineffectual. And Lars Eller took two offensive-zone penalties.

The Canadiens’ power play had been hot lately, with goals on 4 of its 11 most recent opportunities.

But the PP fizzled in L.A., going 0-for-3. The Canadiens laboured to gain the L.A. zone and were pressured on the few occasions they actually managed to set up.

During the RDS pre-game show, Guy Carbonneau talked about the Canadiens crafting a 7-1-2 record over their last 10 starts – best in the NHL. They did it, Carbo said, while playing boring, defensive hockey. Get used to it, the former coach advised fans, because the Canadiens just don’t have the talent to play wide-open hockey.

So don’t count on anything eye-pleasing that might keep us awake during these west-coast games that start after 10 p.m. in Montreal.

The next one is Wednesday night in Anaheim, against a team that is 15 points ahead of L.A. in the Pacific Division standings.

The puck will drop about seven hours after the 3 p.m. trade deadline, and it’s doubtful the Canadiens will be making any significant moves.

General manager Marc Bergevin is in Chicago, where the family is mourning the passing of the GM’s mother-in-law.

Bergevin doubtless will field some phone calls about the availability of some of his players, notably Andrei Markov.

I don’t think they’ll move him.

Markov has played his entire 13-year career with the team that drafted him. The painfully shy Russian is comfortable in Montreal.

Bergevin has blueline talent in the pipeline: Jarred Tinordi, who briefly energized his teammates by fighting L.A. tough guy Kyle Clifford; Nathan Beaulieu and Greg Pateryn in Hamilton. None of them, however, is ready to succeed Markov .

It would be great if Bergevin could add a winger with size. And I could see him moving Eller and maybe a prospect or two to get one.

Matt Moulson, Tomas Vanek, Marion Gaborik, Chris Stewart and Ryan Kesler could all be moved on Wednesday.

I wouldn’t stake out Dorval Airport waiting to greet any of them.

 

271 Comments

  1. BJ says:

    Our biggest problem right now is we have one line that contributes offensively. Its simply not enough. I don’t know if Bergevin can do something to help Plekanec’s line (Jagr could have been a good signing last summer) but we won’t get far with our offense. A scary stat that was brought up on the RDS broadcast is in the last 122 games at home LA has lost one (1) game after being ahead going into the third.

  2. Luke says:

    Did you guys see Doughty last night? Great player. Plays like PK with the reigns on.

    Strong on the puck, great vision on the ice, excellent skater, heck of a shot, heck of a passer, physical and positionally sound. He’s so efficient.

    When I watch PK play, I think he’s better than Doughty in some areas (Skating, Shot), and equal in most others. Sure it’s easier to play Doughty’s game when you have guys like Kopitar, Richards, Carter, Brown helping you carry the freight.

    But when I look at HOW PK plays, the impression I’m left with is that he plays more like Ovechkin while Doughty plays more like Jonathan Toews.

    • 2mins4lookinsooogood says:

      To me Doughty and Kopitar were a class above everybody else last night.

      “Don’t crush that dwarf Alex Henry, hand me the pliers”

    • Forum Dog says:

      Don’t want to sound like I’m bashing Subban, but I think Doughty plays a more team-oriented game at this point. PK gets into trouble when he tries to do too much on his own, taking himself out of position and leading to turnovers. He is more dynamic than Doughty though and can create something out of nothing, which is why you’d hate to see him stifled too much….

  3. DipsyDoodler says:

    Re: PK, he was hands down our best player Saturday night.

  4. mrgordon says:

    I agree about last nights game leviathan. What i watched
    Was a tight hard fought game. though i didn’t make it all the way to the end of the game, it wasnt on account of boredom but rather a 14 month old who just has no sleeping pattern at all.

    Murray has really been playing steady hockey of late too, been loving weise too. I think our grinders will prove to be more invaluable come playoff time.

    If i were to offer a critcism it’d be to throw more pucks on goal even if its not a great shooting situation. The only goal we scored last night was a fluky one, just thrown on goal

  5. 2mins4lookinsooogood says:

    Not sure if I saw the same game as some of the posters. I agree that LA was the better team but Montreal was indeed able to bend not break in their first game on the road – if they had actually played more that 15 good seconds of the 6:00 PP time, they could have stolen at least a point.

    Some will say “well that’s just the problem, they’ll never get anywhere long term like that”. True but this is a transition not a revolution.

    The mantra will be slow changes, an inch at a time and if you don’t want to watch, you don’t have to.

    Parity is that reckless trades to excite the masses mean someone is going to get Holmgrened (verb: to lose one’s head to please an idiot owner or oneself out of greed) “I really thought the Nigerian prince was going to send me the money after he untangled his inheritance but the police told me I had been Holmgrened”)

    Trading Plex to open the centre spot, markov to get something out of fear that he will move on, eller to clear up another centre spot are all moves that could dramatically backfire.

    Good luck replacing the time and skill of the first two and keep your mouth shut when eller becomes Jokkinen in his prime.

    I thought Eller and Bourque had a lot of jam and frankly, the point totals of the other teams ahead of LA in the standings are irrelevant – we match up well against Anaheim, San Jose and Phoenix and I really expect 4 points by Sunday morning.

    LA was at the top of their game last night (but when they are off – they lose 2-1 instead of win) and so it goes.

    “Don’t crush that dwarf Alex Henry, hand me the pliers”

  6. jimmy shaker says:

    Thought PK played a very solid game last night, steady, smart plays, good hits…….but that damn drew doughty is magical to watch. I’d actually take him over weber!

    shaker out!

  7. Thomas Le Fan says:

    Let’s see. Does scintillating mean … zzzzz? Sutter and Babcock may have successful teams but I’d rather watch grass grow … er … ice form. Habs played well once they began to hit the Kings but our lack of finish around the net did us in once again. The refs were in the mood to let the teams play but White’s bonehead penalty was a killer, as it turned out. How does he think he’ll get away with that in plain view? Emelin still looks tentative out there and he’s not hitting enough. I think I’d rather have Beaulieu.
    Watched the Blue Jacket/Leaf game earlier. Enjoyable match. Jackets looked pretty good. Young, big and fast. They’re a team on the rise, I believe. Leafs have only one line but it’s a good one. Their defence isn’t going to take them to paradise, however. Leaf fans should abandon hope before it’s too late.
    Go Habs!

    Hockey isn’t everything … it’s the only thing … except for beer and guitars!

    • BJ says:

      Yesterday I had just finished posting how much progress White had made with discipline. Well I guess I should have held off a day. The loss is not on him totally but it didn’t help.

  8. Leviathan says:

    I rarely log in or comment but I read the site all the time and I knew exactly how Boone’s write up was going to read.

    I completely disagree and I thought last night was an awesome hockey game. I couldn’t care less about the shot totals in this particular game because I think the Canadiens had tons of scoring chances. The Kings did too (and probably should have had a few more goals).

    It was a physical battle and seemed like playoff hockey to me. Really loving Douglas Murray too (that should kill my rep here a bit). I think in today’s NHL we definitely need Tinordi, Murray, Moen, Weise, White, guys like that in the lineup. We seemed like a bigger team to me last night.

    The only thing that sucked about that game last night was that we didn’t get a point because Anaheim is going to be even tougher.

    • krob1000 says:

      I was impressed tha after Tinordi taking on Kyle Clifford that Subban was in CLifford’s grillall night. I thought CLifford was going to go berserk on PK. I think having Tinordi, Murray, Weise added tot he mix was enough of a deterrent. Was great o say Pk being PK again physically as he laid a couple of guys out and was whacking and battling hard with no fear again. This was without PRust and Parros but the fact Tinordi hung in there and Murray, Weise, Moen, White were all still around…Habs did not get bullied as one might of expected. Don;t get me worng Carter and Kopitar were nearly impossible to knock of fhe puck but playing a big touhg team like eKings…HAbs were not physically intimidated anyway.

    • Forum Dog says:

      Good post. Defensively Montreal is fairly solid, and when Price is healthy and playing, they have one of the best goalies in the league.

      What they lack is scoring. I know I am stating the obvious, but if they could get a legitimate scoring threat to play up there with Plekanec and Galchenyuk – instead of either Briere or Gionta – they could really do some damage to the top teams. And those players are out there (Vanek, Jagr, Vrbata, Hemsky). It’s just a matter of what they have to give up. A lower level prospect and a pick may be worth it, but trading someone like Tinordi, Beaulieu or Eller at this stage of their development might be counter-productive.

    • CalgaryHab says:

      I thought it was a good game too.
      Teams used to bring their golf clubs and mickey mouse ears on trips through California. Not anymore.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Liking Murray shouldn’t hurt your street cred. here Leviathan. As for Anaheim being tougher, I think they have perhaps the best line in hockey going right now with Perry/Getzlaf as the principals, but I think L.A. has a more evened depth than the Ducks. L.A. under their coach are playing a playoff style game each and every night, and they have missed Quick for decent stretches of the season.

      If the Habs can find a way to shut down Getzlaf/Perry I like the teams chances.

  9. 44har48 says:

    I’ve been dreaming we are getting bigger and tougher and can play more than just one style of hockey. I like the effort, and poorly coached teams will give us the time and space we need in the regular season to look good at times, but this team is still doomed and worse, MB knows it and has not been able to make a significant move yet to really improve the team.

    We are easy to play against for well coached teams. Our only chance to win is to play defense, and we are not built to play that tough lock down, disciplined game yet. Just MO.

  10. mrgordon says:

    My last post screwed up at the end, but im sure you get the point. Either therrien is doing a great job with a bad roster, or vice versa, but it seems so often posters just like to sling turds. Most likely we have a middle of the road roster and a competent, flawed coach like most other coaches, but again, people are always flinging the turds trying to make everything black and white, or believe they know whats going on in the dressing room, practice etc…ahem we’re doing quite alright right now without Carey at a critical juncture in the season. The end.

  11. jimmy shaker says:

    Decent game….probably should’ve been a 1-0 shutout win for LA, but I digress. Couldn’t generate or keep the puck in the offensive zone and was a big zero on the PP, there was the game! Hopefully MB can address the needs of a big top 3 forward who can snipe come tomorrow. Hate hearing that old stat, where a team leading going into the 3rd period is such and such a record, but in this case LA is something like 100 W’s and single digit L’s over the last 4 seasons or something like that. RDS translation is not my thing…..anyways they were saying that the game was basically over before the puck dropped and it basically was, except for DD’s glorious chance in the slot at the end of the game. Oh well, the boys just need to score first every game and they have a great shot at winning night in and night out! C’mon anaheim, please be gentle!

    Shaker out!

  12. JarryPark says:

    Latest rumor on twitter. Eller & Tinordi for Edler.

    Thoughts?

    • stephen says:

      That gets a ‘nay’ from me.

    • jimmy shaker says:

      must be an eklund rumour! Mb needs to take care of the top 6 before he should deal with the back end. Back end is decent imo, scoring is where he should be looking to make some deals.

      shaker out!

    • Kooch7800 says:

      Not a chance. Two young decent roster players for a 27 year old D man who is great when he is healthy.

      I like Edler though

      “Lets Go Canada”

    • CJ says:

      We would be absolutely crazy to make that deal. Trading Eller now is like dumping a stock into a falling market. Tinordi is only beginning to scratch at the surface of his talent. I would be furious if we made that deal. Fortunately, if it is being reported it is likely without merit.

      • Paz says:

        Francois Gagnon last night on That’s Hockey, “Eller is the one forward Habs can trade and get something in return”.

        It’s all over RDS for 2 weeks now.

        • 2mins4lookinsooogood says:

          Ah but what is your return? For a team that can’t score in a league that can’t score, what will you get?

          “Don’t crush that dwarf Alex Henry, hand me the pliers”

      • boonie says:

        A few minutes ago you and I traded ideas about a D partner who could maximize PK. I don’t know if Elder’s the guy but…

        He’s young enough (Jbow is 30, Edler is 27). He put up nice numbers when Vancouver was something and they had a coach that allowed the D to get involved in the offensive zone. He’s got good size. He plays big minutes (I’ll let the advanced stats guys chime in on the quality). He’s signed to a $5m/year deal for the rest of time – which is reasonable for a guy logging top 2 minutes with PK.

        You have to pay something. Below you said you up the ante on a first, Pattern and LeBlanc.

        I think Eller is a never-will-be (most people differ on this). If he has value now move him for something we need. Tinordi replaces the first. Although, I’d prefer to keep him.

        A common thread on ALN today is “does our management have the GUTS to go for it”.

        I’m not saying Edler is the piece. I’m asking, if he is — do we have what it takes to really make this happen?

        I don’t think MB has it in him.

        I think Eller is a third-liner.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      What loser on twitter posted that?

    • Savardian Spin-o-rama says:

      One of Tinordi or Beaulieu is probably leaving town for the simple reason that a team can’t have two rookie defensemen in the line-up at the same time. At least that’s what I read in here a lot. Personally, I don’t buy it. I think it could work under the right circumstances. As for Eller, as much as I like the person, I don’t think he’ll ever amount to much as a hockey player — not in Montreal anyway. Now is a good time to unload him for a good return.

  13. mrgordon says:

    How often do we have to read that this team is not good enough to get past round 1 in the playoffs? People really think we can’t beat Toronto or Tampa in a 7 game series? Really? Give me a break.

    While a round1 win is certainly not a guarantee its as possible as a loss, especially against these teams , who, by as far as i can see ( barring any strange collapses) we will be slated to play in round 1.

    Bet on proline for a couple of weeks and try and tell me that this league isnt crazy competitive night to night. Its exhausting to read so many posters painting everything black and white where in reality luck, sheer will, and momentum will dictate as much of our playoff success as the stable of talent.

    With our defence and goaltending we’ve got a shot on most nights. Call me a blind believer but come playoff time Subban will be an absolute horse, and i believe that law of averages dictates that some of forwards’ production just has to go up at some point.

    The negative nancy acts are both tiresome and laughable. I mean, if we’re listless on paper then our
    Coach is doing
    a job, or maybe it is he

    • mrhabby says:

      agree…exhausting. are they fans of the Habs makes me wonder some time.

    • mdp2011 says:

      Agree. The Habs can beat any team in the East in a 7 game series. With good goaltending in the playoffs, anything can happen.

    • Leviathan says:

      Agree’d man. This league is crazy competitive. I watched the Jackets Leafs for a while last night. The Jackets were completely cycling and destroying the Leafs for minutes at times in that game. Then the next night the Leafs will look like world beaters (usually against the Habs, ha).

      Fact is the Habs are 3rd in the conference with home ice for the playoffs and somehow they managed to do it with the worst coach in the world, the smallest roster ever assembled, the slowest D in history and a terrible 30 goal scoring power forward who won’t go to the net! (Sarcasm…haha)

      Exhausting, as you put it, is exactly the word to describe it.

  14. frankcasting says:

    Why MT won’t reunite Eller, Gally and Chucky is a complete mystery to me. Although it shouldn’t be, it’s MT after all, he’d rather just blow Eller’s value through the floor.

    Loving the Habs since 1965

    • Ian Cobb says:

      Because it would Rob Gionta, Plekanic, and other more senior players of ice time. Coaching prejudiced !

    • nick says:

      Well to do that he’d have to break up the Pacioretty line. When it comes down to it, Pacioretty is 9th in the league in scoring. As nice as it would be to try and get the Eller line going again, it would mean breaking up both the first and the second line.

      Not going to happen.

      All that said, Eller is in a funk right now and honestly… I don’t see Briere and Bourque, 2 of MTL’s hot one day, cold the next week players getting him out of it. I think one thing all MTL fan should remember is that most here wanted Desharnais gone in November. Heck, people were ready to give him away. Now the guy is playing quite well with Pacioretty. People need to be patient with Eller through this slump. He’s the first center with size MTL has had in years… The guy can play. Just needs some better line mates.

    • Luke says:

      Because the line of Gallagher/DD/Max is quite successful.

      Why do people constantly rip MT for tearing apart the EGG line, yet beg for him to tear apart this line?
      Especially while the line is actually producing. The EGG line was rotten when MT pulled Gallagher off of it.

  15. Ian Cobb says:

    We are a very poor entertainment hockey league now, with all the total shut down defensive style game now!
    Coaching, discipline and special team play is the largest difference between all the teams now!

    • Kooch7800 says:

      Have to love a Salary capped league. This is what happens unfortunately when you have a cap and teams in places they should not be.

      That is why I stopped doing pro line on hockey. There is always one or two games a night that you just can’t predict

      “Lets Go Canada”

  16. krob1000 says:

    I ma a huge Eller fan but he is in trouble…this guy needs an intervention. I think a Gallagher move is in order…something to help him get going. Bournival would likely suffice if he was healthy but something is much needed. DD and Patches are playing good hockey…let’s se if they can sustain it without Gallagher…if they can it could really spark a more balanced scoring attack. Given Dd and Patcehs are playing the best hockey they have in some time why not try it? IF he is rolling too the team is much more dangerous but he has lost all confidence, he can hardly handle the puck right now. He was a puck possession beast and is one of the best stickhandlers on the team but right now I am not sure he oculd skate up an empty rink….had the life sucked right out of him.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      Sadly I think we are robbing Paul to pay Peter. Whatever line Gallagher is on does well and the rest seem to flounder.

      We are short two legit top 6 wingers

      “Lets Go Canada”

      • krob1000 says:

        I think DD and Patches should still be able to produce..Patches has been consistent in his career and produced at roughly same rate without Gally.

    • stephen says:

      Hi krob,

      I posted something along these lines last night following the game, I think.

      Without taking Gallagher away from his current line, however, I would simply put Weise back with Eller and Bourque, where I thought he brought much needed jam against the Leafs.

      I realize that sounds ridiculous in terms of Weise’s offensive upside, but that isn’t what I’m looking for him to bring to Eller. Instead, I think his speed, hustle and size can do similarly what Gallagher’s pluckiness does for DD and Max, namely creating time and space with which to work.

      In that light, I was really disappointed to see Briere
      (instead of Weise) aligned with Eller and Bourque last night, especially against a bigger, more physical Kings squad.

      • jimmy shaker says:

        Briere has been playing very good of late and deserving to be on that 3rd line, or on the first line with pleks and bio, and chucky with eller and bourque……Remember briere set up eller for really one of the only 3 scoring chances the boys had, the others were chuck’s post and DD’s slot shot at the end of the game. Briere isn’t the problem imo.

        Shaker out!

        • stephen says:

          Yes, I agree Briere is playing well of late, but I think what Eller needs at the moment is a simpler north/south player who can bang and crash to create chances. Getting a couple of ‘dirty’ goals would do wonders for Lars, I think.

          • jimmy shaker says:

            Not really sure what eller needs at this point. Basically reunited the egg line, but MT isn’t going to do that, so what to do, what to do? HMMMM.

            shaker out!

    • Paz says:

      No one behind the bench seems to agree, but I do.

    • 24 Cups says:

      One point in 22 games, dumb penalties, lost the offensive face-off on the first goal and seems to be totally lost in terms of confidence and drive. It sure is a concern.

      Some fans are saying he should be traded. That bothers me on two fronts. Right now, the team won’t get much back in return. More importantly, the team has waited for quite awhile in order to get a centre who has some size and can play in both ends. If Eller goes, the team won’t be able to replace that element that he brings. That’s not Galchenyuk’s role and there is no one in the system ready to take on that job. Not only have we lost Eller but we have basically lost an entire line.

  17. mount royal says:

    I am starting to think that we may have a real winner in Murray. Tinordi is also looking more confident.

  18. docketrocket says:

    Sucking the exuberance out of PK has been a huge mistake. There is probably a subtle racial dimension to it. It transcends the coach. The media does it. Team Canada brass does it. Many fans outside of Montreal support it.

    My question is this: Is sucking the exuberance out of Subban the only reason he seems to be regressing – foolish choices, big windup shot, marginal penalties (even if others would not be called) and so on – things he had fixed last year? Or is there something else? Because we need to fix this fast.

    • 44har48 says:

      I don’t know man…I don’t think he has fixed anything and that is the most frustrating thing for me. The guy rightfully gets benched for making horrible turnovers trying to do too much at inopportune times and it doesn’t seem like he ever learns from it. He just laughs it off and reads his script.

      I did see him pick up a Norris trophy last year for whatever reasons, but I didn’t see him fix these issues – the big windup, the bad penalties trying to do too much.

      I think he is a fine young defenseman that has a great future in this league when he matures, but he plays young right now and has a lot to learn so his skill can shine and not be outdone by his mistakes and bad decisions.

      He is not worth $8M … yet.

      • Kooch7800 says:

        I agree with you 44har48. I would like to see some of the bad things in his game leave but they really seem to stick around.

        I also think PK will be huge for the habs but I don’t think he is the easiest player to coach either.

        “Lets Go Canada”

    • Mike Boone says:

      wasn’t it refreshing to see a building, the Staples Center, where P.K. wasn’t booed?
      Mike Boone
      Hockey Inside/Out blogger

      • mrhabby says:

        ha…come to think of it..ur right. it was weird.

      • RockinRey says:

        Haven’t they been there- done that? What is it with Montreal wanting to recycle coaches? Bring in someone new when MT has invariably worn out his welcome.

        ——————————————————————————————————
        You are entitled to your opinion even if you are wrong.

  19. CalgaryHab says:

    I thought Tiny played a great game last. He did well in his fight and looked confident with the puck. If he continues this kind of play there is no reason he needs to go back to Hamilton.

    • CJ says:

      Once again, he is trying. He is unafraid to make a mistake. There is so much to be said for confidence. I can live with a missed pinch. At least he is working hard. I would rather we promote Pateryn to play with Emelin (allowing Emelin to play his natural side).

      If we are not going to move Markov, let’s default to a secondary move;

      PK and Markov (give PK our second best defecemen)
      Emelin and Pateryn (get Emelin on his natural side)
      Georges and Tinordi (finally put Georges on the third pairing where he belongs)

      At the risk of going against the HIO grain, I would move Murray. He has been a great workhorse, but I don’t see how he fits in going forward. There needs to be an opportunity for Pateryn and/or Beaulieu and if the commentarit see no value in trading Markov (Emelin and Georges are both signed), then something has to give.

      • CalgaryHab says:

        What you’re saying makes sense. I thought Pateryn looked great when he was here. Murray has done his job admirably and if they couldn’t move him before the deadline they don’t have to re-sign him leaving his spot available next year.

  20. Donkey Hoat says:

    I got really tired of the endless dump-and-chase.
    It invariably resulted in LA getting possession and easily moving up the ice. Most offensive was when it was happening on our own PP.
    I’m not in the “Fire Therrien” group (who will replace him?), but I have to wonder why he didn’t have a better game plan.
    We can skate with any team in the league, but dumping the puck in only highlights our weaknesses.

  21. Luke says:

    I can see why the Kings lead the league in hits. That’s a pretty generous hit count.

    Well, that game was better than the previous one. The Habs had some chances, but it was a grind, and the Kings just come at you in waves. Endless waves.

    Good team they have there. I was expecting the Habs to get washed out and the scored to be much worse.

    • krob1000 says:

      Kopitar is pretty amazing…kind of like a more defensive and lesser skilled Malkin…noone could knock him off the puck and he is very, very smart. Doughty is amazing…those Olympics were just the tip of the iceberg for that kid….he is Ray Bouruqe with a little Paul Coffey mixed in…incredible player.

  22. krob1000 says:

    I have but one request…get Wiese or Bournival or someone else to do the grunt work for DD-Patches duo. Have Gallagher either play with Chucky or Eller (or both again) and help them out. Briere has proven he can play with Pleks and Gio. You could even put Briere with DD and Patches but let Gallagher ignite another line.

  23. krob1000 says:

    In all my years of watching hockey I have never seena guy win as many puck batttles and work his way through traffic like Brendan Gallagher…..unbelivable how often he picks pucks out of crowds. Non stop engine and an attitude that you wish you could put into every player…..a treat to watch.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      Gallagher is a beast out there.

      “Lets Go Canada”

    • CJ says:

      His shift at the end of the game ought to be on every young boy and girls computer. Such desire. He carried the puck into the LA zone and outmuscled four Kings defenders. The kid will not quit. I absolutely have nothing but huge respect for his work ethic, so much so, that I am prepared to live with the undisciplined penalties he takes along the way.

      • krob1000 says:

        He deserves that Mcdonalds burger!! Last nigth we went to a Mcd’s here in Kingston and my little guy had just finished hockey and was wearing his gear. He is always asking me to drive 3 hours to Montreal to get a Gallagher burger and last night when we got to MCd’s it was empty inside. I got talking to the guy at the cash while we were wiating for a happy meal….we mentioned the Gallagher burger and one of the girls that was working overheard and said she had the burger on her phone. The manager then came over and said we can make that burger for you. My little guy was ectsatic(they used another bun instead of the Mcrib bun but same diff). My guys eyes lit up as he wears Gallagher stickers on his hockey helmet!

        Anyways I thanked them and told my boy to thank them, my little guy said “what a day!”…then the manager guy said “want to make it better?” He then invited my guy around and let him make a couple ice cream cones and showed him around. Was pretty cool of the Mcdonalds staff …they really made a kids night! Gallagher even igniting 3 hours away!!! Great of the Mcd’s people.

        • CJ says:

          Great story! Thank you for sharing. Cheers, CJ

        • Habitoban says:

          The ugliness on this site drives me crazy most days, but then a great post like this brings a smile to my face. After all, hockey isn’t about firing the coach or how useless a given player is. Hockey is about a kid with stickers on his helmet. Thanks

      • HabsPooch says:

        I’m just concerned how much he’ll have left in the tank come playoff time. He’s a good player but his size really hurts him. Besides jamming the goalie’s pads and scoring those hard goals, he doesn’t have a power shot or or blazing speed to scare opponents. He’s got no choice but to muck it up in front of the net but that’s gotta take a toll on him and the rest of his career.

    • Paz says:

      I knew this was the way Subban would be handled. Therrien made it crystal clear the year before on RDS. I posted about this several times.

      Therrien does NOT believe Subban is a young veteran, a Norris Trophy winner, an Olympian. (Markov has never even benn nominated for the Norris by the way).

      Therrien treats Subban like he’s 18, and now Subban is playing that way.

      Read the article about Nilan’s interview.

  24. Kooch7800 says:

    Tough loss last night. LA is a great defensive team. Good on our D though and Buds for only giving up a goal. I am not so optimistic about playing the ducks on Wednesday. They don’t play as defensive and are probably more potent on offensive which might cause us some issue.

    This year to be considered successful would be just making the playoffs. We don’t have the team to contend in a 7 game series in the west and I think we all know that and one one or two moves will not solve all our problems.

    This team is still a work in progress but does have a good core with Price, Subban, Max P, Galchenyuk and Gallagher.

    What does worry me is that Price is heading into his prime as he is now 26 and we are more than a couple years away from contending if we are building through the draft. I think MB will have to make some big moves in the offseason to help our scoring. Price will be a big key in the habs winning

    “Lets Go Canada”

  25. PrimeTime says:

    I can’t ain’t until the trade deadline is over, and the expected BS aftermath from fans that MB is useless. Of course once fans get their heads around the fact the cost is too high to try and “insta-improve” the team and realize that MB is not yet in a position to deals assets (no one wants our liabilities), they will return their focus to firing MT. The crazy part is the fans seem to believe their distant and myopic views of the team give them some sort of credibility of their ideas and criticism. I won’t negate all fans have a right to an opinion but to somehow believe they have greater knowledge of the state of affairs is mind boggling. Just like the past Olympics, fans criticized the decision making of the team management and coaching staff only to once again be shown that sometimes a little knowledge can be beneficial.

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  26. WindsorHab-10 says:

    For the fun of it. Andre Markov for Ryan Kessler.

  27. Ian Cobb says:

    TIRED!
    Watched this defensive battle until 1:00am last night.
    The team taking less penalties and having the better power play won this contest. Undisciplined penalties and give a way’s were the order of the day! again.!

    • netninja says:

      I hear you Ian. I got annoyed to see the old Ryan White back… the one taking a penalty resulting in a power play goal… and what was going on with the missed passes last night? You would think they were playing in the snow or something.

  28. HABitat4humanity says:

    We have to many D players without a hard slapshot. So get 1 of those plus Vanek or Kessler.

  29. JUST ME says:

    I do not get in the schmurfs bandwagon and complain that every team is bigger than us and bla bla bla but this match-up and the win is in large part due to the fact that the Kings with the Kopitar, Carter and Doughty won the battles one on one all night. Not that we were intimidated but our road to the net was blocked and it was difficult to get the puck in the dangerous zone. Still a tight game a good game by both teams ,the penalties made the difference.

  30. Paz says:

    Hey CJ, you ask what’s wrong with Subban?

    I played multiple sports, key positions, skilled positions. I’ve now brought up 3 kids, all of whom played multiple sports at elite levels.

    My son played for an ex NHL player as his coach.

    My daughter has played for a coach who played for the USA Olympic team.

    Therrien is the problem. Period. End of story.

    • CJ says:

      Hi Paz. I certainly feel that he is a large factor. If this is the case then the organization needs to go in a different direction with the coaching staff.

      I guess I just want the old PK back. I loved him getting under Lucic’s skin. The way he played in the series against the Bruins is exactly what I would hope he can continue to build off of in the future.

      A healthy Wiz and a youthful, uninhibited PK. Those were the good days.

      • Paz says:

        I think Bergevin supports Therrien all the way on this, on the way he’s handling Subban.

        I think how Subban would be handled was part of the interview when Therrien was hired.

        • Kooch7800 says:

          I am a big PK fan but he hasn’t played this year like he did last year. He started off really well but I haven’ t seen him play a stellar game in some time. He is going to get a huge contract and he has all the talent in the world. I don’t think Subban would be the easiest player to coach.

          MT is not my favorite coach either but I remember people crapping on JM with Subban as well.

          “Lets Go Canada”

    • They (TSN690) talked about Therrien’s tatcics with PK, one caller said this – when Therrien was on L’AntiChambre (sic?) he never praised the kid, and treated him like an average player and that it looks as though now that has continued.

      The hosts then went on to say that in all of this crap that PK has to put up with, he has said all the right things and in the end Therrien is the one who looks bad in all of this.

      I can’t wait to see next year when PK is making 7-8 mil a year, Therrien will be one angry coach :lol: Hockey drama is the only thing interesting about the Habs, love the story-lines from day to day.

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    • PrimeTime says:

      Name your candidates to replace MT. Be realistic to their availability and your basis on a final decision.

    • Welks says:

      It is all part of the MT meritocracy. PK, Emelin are judged too harshly when they makes mistakes. Georges gets a free pass. He was out of position on the Carter goal, yet people will blame Murray who was trying to cover two people on either side of the crease. If any one should be traded it is Georges. Other than blocking shots what does he bring to the table? Pairing him with PK just causes more issues because PK will take chances to make plays, which I have no problem with but Georges offers no help. PK and Emelin are trying to hard not to be over aggressive and no make mistakes which causes them to be passive and get beat. Let them play the game the way that made them successful in the first place.

  31. mrhabby says:

    I think there are between 14-16 teams who have less than 600k in actual salary cap space. of the remaining teams (16) lets say about half of them do not want to make any moves leaving about 8 teams that could be players/talkers. I would say this could go down as a very quiet day at the office given salary cap now rules the hockey world.
    Keep everything as is Bergevin..do not move your precious assests that you are stock piling for players that might bring some short gain.

  32. 6PackHabs says:

    The Habs are not known for bold moves at trade deadlines even though their rivals are all making efforts to become better teams. I think MB has something to prove and that he will use March 5 to show that he is the real deal and that he means business. Therefore, expect the unexpected my HIO friends. You heard it here first….. tomorrow, MB will be recalling D. Drewiske from the Dogs.

  33. Stevie.Ray says:

    Dreger reported on TSN 690 this morning that it appears to be fairly quiet on the Montreal front. So once again, trade deadline will come and go and Montreal will do nothing to make the team better now, and nothing to make the team better in the future.

    I know the fans are split on whether to trade Markov, and there is a solid argument on both sides. But the way I look at it is that the team as it is now, is not good enough to get past the first round of the playoffs, and there is no reason to expect it to get much better next season. So why sit in the muck of crippling mediocrity year after year and not even try to set up the dominoes for two or three years from now?

    • JUST ME says:

      And late yesterday game time the same guy was saying that the Habs were about to do a press conference to announce that they had traded Markov and Moen… At this point nothing or no one can be relied on if we ever could…

    • songles says:

      Turn that frown upside-down! By next this time next year Chucky should be maturing into more of a leadership role, and our D prospects will be on the rise. Habs will suddenly be in a position to wheel and deal. Patience!

    • songles says:

      Turn that frown upside-down! By next this time next year Chucky should be maturing into more of a leadership role, and our D prospects will be on the rise. Habs will suddenly be in a position to wheel and deal. Patience!

  34. GL says:

    If MB is strictly gonna build a Stanley cup winner through the draft. We are a long way off. There will be a lot of unhappy fans for years to come. A good team whom keep replacing pieces will win many more cups than the Habs in the years ahead. Pieces is the key. Get the right pieces and you’ll win a cup and yes some draft pieces need to be included. Chicago did it, Boston did it, La did it, and Pittsburgh did it and it could happen for another team this time around ….

    • Stevie.Ray says:

      The quickest way to build a contender through the draft is to:

      Sign valuable assets in the summer. Not to fill a hole, but to create an area of strength.
      Trade excess players for high picks.
      Draft good players.
      Repeat.

      So far MB hasn’t done any of those.

      • Cal says:

        You could get high picks for guys like Moen and Bourque? Hell, they should sign you up to show them the way.

        • Stevie.Ray says:

          No but if you sign a top 6 forward last summer (not named Briere), then you could trade Gionta now for picks and not leave a hole in the lineup. In fact, sign every big name you can, and then trade them or whomever they are replacing every year

  35. Captain aHab says:

    If Markov isn’t

    A) Traded, or
    B) Signed to a reasonable extension

    before the trade deadline, I’m going to begin to worry that we will

    A) End up signing him for too many years or
    B) Lose him for nothing

    I know he and his agent are saying all the right things about wanting to stay but once “getting traded” is not an option anymore, then I think MB loses a bargaining tool.

    My guess is that we’ll end up signing him for at the very least three years if we pass the deadline as MB won’t want to lose him outright.

    —————-
    Me skull and crossbones arn’t the only thing I plan on raisin’ tonight.

    • Stevie.Ray says:

      I suspect 2 or 3 years, and he will be worthless by the end of that contract

    • Cal says:

      Markov has a modified NTC according to Capgeek. Moving him won’t be all that easy. Expecting a GM to sign him while he is mourning his mother-in-law loses sight of the fact that he is a human being first and a GM second. That is not to say that the Habs can’t or won’t swing a deal; it makes it a little more difficult to.

      • Captain aHab says:

        Never said it would be easy; just stating what I think may happen. As far as MB’s mother in law, I think there’s enough salary/experience below MB to hande a contract.

        —————-
        Me skull and crossbones arn’t the only thing I plan on raisin’ tonight.

      • boonie says:

        At the risk of sounding callous, this is business. a GM is a general MANAGER. MB has brought in people around him, including Rick Dudley – a former GM himself. Scouts still scout, cap guys still run numbers – even when MB has to attend to personal things.

        An organization doesn’t up and trade players like Markov on whim because it’s the deadline. Months of analysis and working with possible trade partners to determine value are already done.

        The off-ice team that a manager is responsible to build should be able to function when MB isn’t entirely available.

        At the moment of decision, the GM needs to make a decision. Certainly, MB has done all the prep work? He didn’t think suit shopping and sitting in the press box is his job — right?

      • mount royal says:

        Not funny.

  36. theflukester says:

    Well I see I was right about losing. At least it wasn’t a blowout like last time. Oh well. I watched a good part of first period, we didn’t look fantastic no matter how you try to spread it. Getting tired of the trade talk, there are going to be any, I don’t expect trades. If there’s been none this far in there wont be any at all. Just wishful thinking. Even the news sources have given up. I’m convinced MB wont make any. This is the team, sink or swim.

    Play every game as if it is your last one. Guy Lafleur

  37. Not going to win games when you don’t want to handle the puck.

    DD, Gionta, and Briere were playing hot potato out there, scared to death to carry the puck or make a play.

    Last night was ugly, no other words to describe it .

    I could word it that we won 1-0, but we didn’t. Gave them two goals. But still, it was ugly. That was depressing and I’m frozen solid. :lol:

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  38. Bogie Man says:

    If MB does nothing by the deadline tomorrow, which is very likely we are likely to limp into the playoffs and lose in the first round. The issue I see right now is any prospects/ assets we have that other teams maybe interested in MB will likely not let go, therefore no trade at deadline and no deep playoff run.

  39. GL says:

    The Habs played a good game against a very good team. A 2-1 loss against those guys is nothing to be shamed of. Having said that we still need a couple more scores and we would have a pretty good team here. Depending on the same Guys to score night after night I’m afraid is not gonna cut it especially when the games get tougher in the playoffs. Can’t see us getting pass the 1st round but over all we’ve had a decent year and I think that was all that was expected. MB will not make a trade unless he’s sure it’s gonna pay dividends and I don’t blame him to many teams doing that and getting burnt in the end ….

  40. Cal says:

    Tight, grinding affairs are tough to win when you don’t have the horses. The Habs, without getting any scoring from the Pleks, Eller and White lines are too easy to defend against when they are playing contending teams. I am looking forward to the Wednesday game against the Ducks who are,imo, the team to beat this year. I look for them to get more secondary scoring, too, driving prices through the roof for any player that’s scored 20 goals in this league.

  41. Hobie Hansen says:

    I’ve been clamoring on here for ages on how the Habs could use a big, shutdown defenceman. A few posters corrected me and stated that the team is short on goals and a scoring forward is more urgently needed. I now have to agree.

    Sure, the Habs could use another steady defenceman, a lot are saying a real #3 since Emelin has had his struggles. I do think with the demotion of Bouillon to the press box and the Diaz for Weise trade that the defence has gotten better. Tinordi and Murray make a decent bottom paring, much better than any combo that involved Diaz or Bouillon.

    If Bergevin can make one move to give us a bit better chance in the playoffs I’d like him to try and get a top six goal scorer. It might be tough to pull off because we’re carrying a lot of bodies right now and he would somehow have to make room for a new player. Also, Bergevin hates trading picks and young players away. Which is good.

    • mrhabby says:

      iam sure Bergevin and his guys know what they need..something like they don’t grow on trees.

      • boonie says:

        Maritime commented below that LA, Chicago and St. Louis have great top D pairs. LA and Chicago drafted both their guys. St. Louis traded for there’s.

        Key players don’t grow on trees. GMs have to identify an area of need, target it and pay the price when the opportunity comes up.

        Move players like Markov give GMs the flexibility to get the players we need.

  42. jeffhabfan says:

    Well tough loss Last night this is going to be a tough road trip for the HABS just have to find a way to win a couple of games. I really hope we can land a big winger who can score a bit to play on no worse than our 3rd line.

  43. CJ says:

    Good morning friends. Something has been on my mind. The timing will make this comment appear opportunistic, however I have no intention on leveraging last night’s loss to make a point. Strictly coincidental.

    In summary, I have a serious concern, and it resides with PK Subban. I wanted to give PK a few games following the Olympic break, where I believed we would see a noticeable improvement in his play. Thus far, I have seen a continuation of what we witnessed beginning in early January.

    It is not just the performance either. I can live with the mistakes, although truthfully, there have been far too many recently. I counted, on a single shift in the third period last night, three turnovers originating from PK’s stick during the course of a single sequence. Most concerning however is the body language, which seems to be screaming right through my television set. At his best, I loved when PK was in the opposition’s ear, like he was with Crosby during the playoffs. I loved when he was goating the Bruins and Lucic. Now, the whitsle blows and PK is quite. First game of the year he was in Orr’s face, playing the role of aggitator. I see none of that now. I see a guy with shoulders slunk and head down skating back to the bench. It is like his energy is sapped.

    So, where did things fall off? I think some of the blame lies with the coaching staff. I think it important to support and guide your players and take a vested interest in their success (although not at the expense of the entire team). To this end, and I am not in the dressing room so I am purely speculating, I believe there is a clash in personalities. Further, I think PK really misses a Hal Gill like influence. Gill used to go to dinner with PK, bust on PK, but also protect PK. I don’t see anyone on the team as that influence right now. PK would benefit greatly from someone who can share the burden of responsibility on the back end. He is being targeted and the other five men in the unit are unable to pick up the difference and exploit overplaying on one man.

    Contray to poplular opinion, Markov is no longer a number two. He is a specialist, who is serviceable, but unable to ease the pressure on PK. Paired with Emelin he has been good to average. That said, if we are committed to him longer term, we need to pair PK and Markov together as it is the best option to relieve some of the pressure. In doing so, lets get Emelin on his correct side. I move to the edge of my seat each time he hits the ice. There isn’t another player on this team who I have less confidence in right now. Again, as previsouly noted, I am willing to give him a pass this season after returning from a major injury and playing on the wrong side. We can’t address the injury issue right now, but we can certainly place him on the correct side.

    In closing, something needs to give. In my line of work, when you see a star performer struggling as bad as PK is right now, you need to take action to address the situation. If we are not going to make a major move, fine. At least give PK Markov and ride out the storm and reassess in the off season.

    It is not as easy as flipping a switch and having things turn around. This slide with PK, IMO, has moved from a slump to very worrisome. He might say all the right things during interviews, but within, something tells me there is a serious issue.

    Just my two cents. Your feedback is very much appreciated. Cheers, CJ

    • I’ve been saying it on this thread and others (when I can muster the time up to join the conversation) that MT is a bumbling coach. Out-classed in most games. He was brought in to groom our young talent, but from what I see he is messing them up, PK included. Gally is not allowed to play his game. DD is being coddled, Eller has been moved all over the place. It’s a disgrace. Ask ourselves, what would Scotty Bowman do? Certainly not protect the veterans in Gionta, (I love Pleks, so no arguments there). One more year of MT and it’ll have thoroughly sucked the life out of PK, Gally, Eller. All because we need a coach that IS French (I know, I know, not only that, but’s it’s a big element that precludes Montreal from another cup for the foreseeable future). Unfortunately, what better is out there?

      I’m speechless! 20 years and counting…

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        hi

        You mention, ” He was brought in to groom our young talent” yet do we know if that’s really the case?

        Or was he brought in with the management/ownership orders that reflect the now deceased NFL owner Al Davis’ motto:
        ” Just win, baby”

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      Morning CJ

      Some really goods points.

      Here is certainly believing that PK is being targeted on the ice as teams get to know his tendencies.

      Why?
      The huge difference between Subban and other elites are the above average playing partners that do not allow that to happen.

      Pietrangelo always plays with Boumeester
      Keith always plays with Seabrook
      Doughty always plays with Muzzin.
      Subban has played with…Markov-Gorges-Bouillon-Murray….
      Scary, isn’t it?

      Then there are the shift times.
      While I do not know if this is of the coach’s or Subban’s doing – PP or no PP, yet how the heck does a guy stay on the ice for a shift that lasted 2:53….then back to back shifts that lasted 1:43-1:41?

      http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreports/20132014/TV020923.HTM

      • CJ says:

        I made a similar point last week. If there was one change I would like to see this franchise make, it’s an investment in our star players. We have made the investment in Price by brining in arguably the best goalie coach in the world, with recent success with more than one pupil. We now need to make that same investment in PK.

        Shake the tree a little. Go after an RFA, or try to land Shae Weber via trade. Make the painful moves within the next 30 hours to clear room and complete the transformation in the off-season. As it stands, this team is not built to win at the next level.

      • boonie says:

        Then MB should be looking for his PK’s cohort.

        Further to your interesting earlier question, Chicago drafted Seabrook and Keith; LA drafted Doughty and Muzzin. St. Louis added JBow to augment Pietrangelo.

        If our current stable of regulars and our prospects don’t include a match to optimize PK’s talent and our opportunity, then our management continues to show that they’re interested in security over success.

        The Blues moved the 22nd pick and two middling prospects for Bouwmeester. On the NHL draft pick value chart, #22 is worth 324 points. If we picked 20th, that would be 336 points.

        Would you move our first in 2014, Leblanc and say Patteryn for a solid pairing guy who can log real minutes and let PK be what he can be?

        • CJ says:

          Yes, I would make a move to give PK a truly great partner. A first, Leblanc and Pateryn are a small price to pay if it lands us the kind of stud who can turn this around for PK.

          This team will not be competitive if PK’s performance is not improved.

          • mrhabby says:

            a first is good starting point but patryn and Louie have down zip to prove they belong in the NHL..you need to sweeten the pot.

          • CJ says:

            Oh I agree, its a very small price to pay. I would sweeten the pot without question.

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      PK has had 2 goals lately and helped in at least one other, so it’s not that bleak. Maybe there will always be “cough-ups” in his game. He is [generally] very good at recovering and not letting them lead to goals. So, maybe the concern, while real, should not be too great?

      OTOH, all of PK, Eller, and Emelin seem to be on the decline. Then there’s Bourque, Chucky’s usage, and odd line combos, which make one question the coaching. The style of play has to be questioned too.

      I don’t love or hate MT, and I am not hockey smart enough to come to a conclusion, but I have a feeling that he is not the best fit for this group. To his credit, however, the results in standings, have been unexpectedly good, and maybe that’s all that matters.

      • CJ says:

        PK was our best player. PK is no longer our best player. If I introduced a friend, with no previous knowledge of any players, no preconceived notions, to the sport in January, where do you think they would rate PK in comparison to all other defencemen in the league?

        Top 10, Top 20, Top 30? If I am being very honest, over the past 20 games, PK’s play has not been very good. Over this period of time he has regressed from the Norris trophy winner (fully deserved) last season, to maybe a top 20 defencemen this season. Even the best players in the league go through slumps. At what point though (20 games, 30 games, 50 games) does a slump turn into a decline? The best players are consistent year in and year out. This is the respect I have for PK. I regard him as one of the elite players in the game today.

        I am asking some very difficult questions, but the truth is there is something wrong here.

        • Old Bald Bird says:

          I didn’t see last night’s game, but I thought on Saturday that he was regaining some form and was probably our best in that game at least. The problem is that in the games when he isn’t our best, there is no one else. Max gets hot on occasion, but his overall play is not at PK’s level. So, who else is there, aside from the goalie?

          I kind of see this organization as working to discourage PK more than encourage him although I would hope not intentionally. Do you think that is a reasonable observation?

          • CJ says:

            I think it is very reasonable.

            Here is my take. PK was at his best last season. If you recall last season during the playoffs he threw a huge hit on Neil, got everyone pumped up. He fought Turris, drew the ire of the opposing team and its fans and generally raised cain for five games. He was very effective. I see none of that emotion now. Nothing. I repeat nothing. When the whistle used to blow, the fun would start. Now, the best I get is a big grin or smiling as he chats with the other players. I want the emotion back. I stayed up till 1:30 am and was up at six. I am committed. Where is the commitment from PK? If this is the result of poor coaching, then Bergevin better address it.

          • Old Bald Bird says:

            Thanks for the conversation. One final comment. In that series, I thought PK was the only one who showed any passion and desire to win. Although that might be overstating a bit, there sure seemed to be a difference between his attitude and that of the rest of the team.

        • mrhabby says:

          your nip picking as far as iam concerned. Price and PK are the best players on the team 1, 1a. if anything PK needs to tweak his game. The Saturday game he played great followed but the usual ..doing to much type of game.

          • CJ says:

            Maybe I am nitpicking. Can you honestly say that PK has played well over the past 20+ games? Can you say that his play is similar to the level he was at last year? With the Norris, with the Olympic nomination, with a new contract will come increased expectations. He is still one of the better defencemen in the league, but over the past 20 games, I think it’s fair to say that his play has regressed significantly enough that it stands out.

          • mrhabby says:

            iam not a real believer that is all on the coach..just saying.

            I would his game looks a little different but is it worth hiring a shrink to figure out …nope. I understand what you mean.

    • docketrocket says:

      It is hard to prove MT is responsible for PK’s malaise, but it is evident he can’t fix it and it is imperative that someone attends to it.

      • CJ says:

        I think a lot of the responsibility does reside with Therien and his staff. That said I think PK also needs to be a part of this process. I am not privy to what goes on behind closed doors, but what I am seeing on ice is worrisome.

    • Habs4LifeInTO says:

      PK appears demoralized to me. He has been heavily criticized throughout his career. He made the Olympic team but was mostly not played, and this was there for all to see. He is a very proud person who has accomplished so much in his young life. He has an effervescent personality that rubs some people the wrong way. I know someone who is a very good friend of Fredrick St, Denis and the report was that many of the Hamilton Bulldog players were less than happy with PK’s hubris by and large. He may not be an easy person to know and support. I believe this disdain is thinly veiled by Josh Georges when he talks about anything related to PK.(just my opinion). PK wins the Norris Trophy and still cannot be trusted to play in some situations. Mike Richards calls him out. His own coaches marginalize him in spite of what Mr Fenwick says about his capabilities. Even many fans on this Habs site don’t trust him and believe him to be a risky player. He had to accept a bridge contract while other less or similarly accomplished players were given the typical 4 to 5 year 25 million dollar contract. So based on all this “evidence” I’ve seen and heard I can only assume that PKs assent into the hockey stratosphere has been a constant struggle for him and for those around him and maybe this has simply taken a toll. I know if I encountered this type of friction at every turn I would be discouraged to say the least. Now, not saying he hasn’t brought some of this on himself. My guess is it has been PK and his Family against the world for his whole life and people with that attitude can be hard to like. I may be in the minority when I say I think he is unique, he is a very good person who means well and he is a wonderful talent. I wish him well and hope only for good things for him. I also know walks a very challenging path….

      Do the math……..7 x 6 = 42…Love our PK!
      24 cups and counting….

  44. HabsFansince49 says:

    I managed to stay up until 2 am (one of the benefits of retirement) and unlike some posters here I thought our Habs put up a good fight. Yes the size difference is obvious but it wasn’t the determining factor in the loss. PK coughed up the puck a few times which as many have pointed out raises questions about his play since returning from Sochi. Eller, much maligned here, has never returned to his form with the EGG line, which btw was exciting hockey. Further, I think he is trying to play his way out of town. Perhaps Galchenyuk and Bournival may want to follow him. After all, boring hockey is now the hallmark of the Habs. We have come a long way (down) since the days of Richard and Beliveau.

    • I am honored by your hockey history knowledge. While I didn’t see 1950′s and early 60′s Habs hockey, I was lucky enough to see 60′s and 70′s dominant Habs hockey and they sadly will never return.

      I’m speechless! 20 years and counting…

  45. boing007 says:

    Who went on the ice when MT pulled the goalie with one minute left? The usual suspects?

    Richard R

  46. JF says:

    It wasn’t the most exciting game and the result was disappointing, but I liked the effort. We were in it till the last whistle, and if the powerplay had not been such a mess or if Budaj had been better on the Kings’ first goal, we might have gotten a point. As for the boring defensive style, more than half the games in the NHL are played that way. The Kings are a low-scoring team with a big, mobile defence and excellent goaltending. Defence is how they win games.

    We don’t score much either, and we lack the size and muscle to carry the play successfully against a defence like L.A’s. We were stripped constantly of the puck, so that dump-and-chase became the only available option for large stretches of the game. If we’d tried to play a wide-open kind of game, we’d have been creamed.

    But I thought we did a good job in our own end – fortunately, since two-thirds of the game was played there. And Budaj, after the first goal, was very solid. We just don’t have the horses.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Morning JF, you make a key point which I think is often overlooked. Many many games in the NHL are played exactly this way. St. Louis in particular plays this exact same style. Be it a result of talent watered down, or the way the game is officiated, this is the standard in the NHL today.

      Teams who make the most defensive breakdowns lose the games. While many including our headmaster continuously complain about this style of game, that is the NHL today.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Excellent post JF.

    • boing007 says:

      That’s why the Habs need to toss their shrimps overboard and haul in some mussels.

      Richard R

    • CJ says:

      Good post JF. I agree, it wasn’t for lack of effort. We simply don’t have the horses right now. LA is big and strong and would grind us to dust in a seven game series. Full credit to the DD line who created offence, however otherwise we were left to try and capitalize on a very few chances.

      As I said last night, this should be the second easiest game on the trip. Anaheim and San Jose are both better teams. Phoenix, on a back to back will be difficult. I’m not trying to play the role of downer, but there is a reason why I suggested that four points on this trip would be a great result. Hopefully they continue to chip away and find success in Anaheim.

  47. boing007 says:

    MB was supposed to be the best man for the GM job and was chosen over many other candidates who had more experience than him. I hope he pleasantly surprises me tomorrow because so far I am not impressed.

    Richard R

  48. BriPro says:

    I feel like both eyeballs are in the same socket this morning. Big fool me for staying up to watch that snooze-fest.

    The writing was on the wall very early in that game. L.A.’s TOP was ridiculous in the first period. Both teams had 5 shots, but my grandson
    Would have stopped 2-3 of our Habs 5.

    And I’ve never seen a team with players who’s reach or luck with their sticks is that long. I would estimate for a good 3-4 minutes, we couldn’t get out of our zone.

    The same occurred in the 2nd on the Kings second goal. Our guys were sucking air and just couldn’t get out. Even Markov with his seeing-eye passes and intelligent puck lobs couldn’t. As I was thinking “this could be trouble” and Bing!, it was 2-1 and that’s all she wrote.

    The ONLY exciting moment was as Boone described. Gallagher took the puck into the L.A. zone with roughly a minute left and for a good 15-20 seconds he swerved this way and that, never losing the puck to the 3-4 opponents around him until our team decided to put on a show for the last minute of the game. Much too little too late.

    I think I’ll PVR the next game. My sleep is much too precious to lose over such a poor showing. Not that they were terrible. They’ve been far worse. But they were definitely in-inspiring.

    Now I have to take the squirt to daycare. I’ll come home and have a nap.

  49. Maritime Ronn says:

    mrgordon says:
    It pains me to say this, but The bruins have had their current combination of coach and gm for nearly a decade and the results speak for themselves.
    ———————
    The Bruins model is quite different than the ‘ stand pat-build through the draft’ thingy we hear quite often.

    When the Bruins won the Cup in 2011, only 4 players were original Bruin draft choices:

    Krejci-Lucic-Bergeron were ALL 2nd round picks.
    Marchand was a 3rd round pick.
    Some may wish to include Tyler Seguin, yet his role and significance were minimal with the exception of 1 game.
    He mostly played under 9 minutes/game and was in the press box for several others.

    The rest were astute UFA signings (Chara-Thomas) or trades where the other team was fleeced.
    Nathan Horton-Campbell-Wideman from Florida for a 1st and 3rd.
    Or what about this trade
    Seidenberg and Matt Bartkowski for Byron Bitz, Craig Weller.
    Bartkowski is now a 25 year old full time Dman playing almost 20 minutes a game.
    Seidenberg was Top 4 before being injured.

    Some may discount this and point to the Chicago model, yet do the Hawks win without another steal of a trade from Philly for Patrick Sharp or a UFA signing in Marian Hossa?
    The same can be said about LA ( Carter-Richards +others) and the Pitt model included a lucky coin toss win in the Crosby draft year.

    GM Bergevin and staff are relatively new at their jobs and deserve some time.

    The next 2 years should tell the story.
    1) Do the Habs have a good scouting staff?
    2) Do the Habs management team have the (sales) ability to attract high level UFAs with all the issues of playing in Montreal?
    3) Do they have the guts to pull the trigger and make high profile trades…or the smarts conclude fleece trades that other very successful groups have done.

    • Mike Boone says:

      As always, great points, Ronn.
      You, JF. UCE et al are carrying this site, man.
      Thanks

      Mike Boone
      Hockey Inside/Out blogger

    • HabinBurlington says:

      The UFA signing of Chara was the blueprint cornerstone that stabilized that teams defence. Chiarelli is a very good GM, whom was able to craft out some nice trades to add to a core which was built around Bergeron, Chara, Thomas, Kreijci.

      But Chiarelli and Julien were given time, in fact it was widely speculated and accepted that had the Habs beaten Boston in that 7 game series a few years back Julien was gone and perhaps even Chiarelli as well.

      We are only in year 2 of MB’s regime. We do need to be patient.

    • Sorry to disagree with you Ron and the venerable Boone. I’ve tried to be positive and have watched this Jekyll and Hyde team for decades botch most seasons up. The answer for now, is No, No and No to all three questions.

      The Habs current management seem to be Mis-managing talent. Gally, Eller and our young’uns. That to me is on MT and MB for hiring him. We’re out coached most nights, despite having a decent team and a few hangers on (Bork, Moen, etc…)

      I don’t get all this praise for Timmens. If Boston can do the things they’ve done with UFA’s, why can’t we? Leblanc is a dud (or has been mis-managed), Fischer was a dud and if we look at other elite teams, their drafting and trades are well beyond ours as you pointed out.

      Who wants to earn money from a Canadien team with all the in-house issues of the Habs if they don’t have to, or aren’t blinded by the history of the logo? While we are a storied team, most of the fans don’t remember seeing any of the stories in person like, Boone, myself and a number of other posters on this site. With the language red-herring issues, press frenzy and performance expectations of the fans, this is a very tough market to sell beyond excellent poutine and smoked meat!

      I’m speechless! 20 years and counting…

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      Interesting points. Obviously Boston made some good deals and have top notch drafting. They also made some bad deals (Thornton).

      (In the Horton deal they sent Wideman the other way.)

      But the main take-away for me is that in a cap league the one advantage a wealthy team has is in scouting and coaching. They can hire more amateur scouts, and they can get the best pro scouts (just by paying them more). They can hire the best development team to work with the young players.

      I think this is what Bergevin is doing, and what Gainey started doing.

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        hi dd

        I believe the Thornton deal was under GM Mike O’Connel.
        And you are correct.
        Bergevin spent a ton of money on hockey org. non related Cap things.
        I’m not quite sure if Gainey was going in that direction…

    • boonie says:

      You’re right.

      Boston and Chicago (you could add Detroit) built their success on more than just a couple of high picks. Even teams that lucked (or tanked) into multiple high-pick superstars like Pittsburgh augmented those players with talent from trades and middle round picks.

      This evidence contradicts the recurring theme that bottoming out leads to success. It may be part of it, but an organization needs GUTS to win in a league designed to foster parity.

      The Oilers have had multiple top picks. Hall, RNH and others have talents. Multiple Oiler coaches and GMs haven’t learned how to (pick your favorite word) harness, development augment that core to achieve anything approaching success.

      To answer your questions:

      1. Yes, empirically we have good scouts. Good being the operative word – not great. The analysis shows that over the past two decades we drafted more players who suited up in the NHL than virtually any other team. At the same time, we haven’t drafted a player that scored 80 points for US since Richer. So, we are great at drafting lots of secondary guys. Perhaps our lack of picks forces our GMs and scouts to play it safe, but then that’s our problem too (see point 3, below)

      2. We manage like amateurs. Pro sports is a different place and we need management that appreciates the nuances of a parity league with a hard Cap. The key is asset management. The bottom two lines have to include a fair number of low-priced vets, players on entry-level deals and RFA players. Overpaying those players means you can’t throw around the extra million or two per year the impact UFAs find.. Gainey stripped the organization of picks means which means we didn’t have the youth that could keep our salary in balance.

      Fortunately, money is not the problem. We are a big market team, we can spend to the cap every year. Yes, the taxes are a little high, but the Habs are a premier team, Montreal is a world-class city and players will come to a winner.

      On a personal note, I live in NYC. I interviewed for a job in Montreal a few years back only to be told, “someone from NY would never move here; and, if they did, they wouldn’t stay here”. There’s a real inferiority complex but the situation isn’t real.

      3. No. We don’t have the guts to make the moves that lead to upper echelon teams. We haven’t had it since Serge led things. By definition, big moves mean taking risks. MB has made a single risky move yet. Rehiring a guy who failed here as coach was pathetic. Overpaying for a 3rd/4th line player like Prust (see point 2, above) was a mistake. Adding Briere to the mix as this season’s big FA acquisition was useless. Briere is done or MT is asserting his coaching preferences. Either way, your GM shouldn’t spend $4m on an offseason pick up that the coach plays on a line with Parros. They should have been on the same page. Emelin may have been re-signed too quickly (again, see point 2). Not aggressively shopping Markov, other players on expiring contracts and other players don’t part of our core doesn’t inspire confidence.

      I could go on, but here is the point, when you manage assets like amateurs and draft to hit singles you are destined for mediocrity.

  50. RetroMikey says:

    Bergevin needs to listen to the Oilers for what they would offer the aging MArkov, a high daraft pick and a prospect.
    Markov will not accept a yearly basis contract from Bergy.
    The Habs’ brass need to sit down and decide they can get good prospects and draft picks for Markov, Plekanec, Eller, Gionta, Briere and Eller.
    My deepeest condolences to Bergevin and his family but if he is going to wait by the phone in Chicago, we need to put Carriere or Dudley in to make this decision and be more focused.
    The West will still win the Cup, it’s evident Pittsburgh can;t compete against the West as well from the game against Chicago over the weekend.
    Boston is still the team to beat in the East based on their size, grit and skill.
    We have to give a little to get a little as they say.
    I will be disappointed as in the past years if we don;t trade good stock to get good returns this year.

    “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      Retro
      Just speculating here, yet perhaps GM Bergevin will hop on a 4 hour ORD-LAX flight later today – do the deadline thing – then head back to Chicago tomorrow afternoon.
      If not, some good technology is almost as good as being there.

      • RetroMikey says:

        Lets hope Ronn he opens the gate and makes the trades for long term results and pays dividends to build a winner as he has done in with the Chicago brass when he was employed there.
        Is it worth lingering onto these guys I mentioned who are not in his plans to bring a Cup back to Montreal?
        The only solution is to offer these guys to any takers for the right price in prospects and draft picks.
        I can’t see MArkov or Plekanec to name a few in our plans 2 or 3 years hoisting the Cup.
        Markov wants to stay in Montreal but he will demand a long term deal which we cannot simply afford.

        “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

  51. Paz says:

    Every other time I can remember dating back to the beginning of Therrien 2.0, he has never been satisfied if only one line is clicking.

    If Desharnais is so great with Max, then why waste Gallagher there if you lack balance in your attack?

    The good teams will shut Max down like last night, and then what?

    Maybe if Eller, Gallagher and Galchenyuk got back together for the 3rd line, we could have 2 scoring lines and 1 defensive line that can also score.

    Maybe this would balance the scoring and we would have less games like last night.

    Instead of suggesting trading Eller, we could place him in a better situation to succeed and see if this would bring back the play he showed last year and te beginning of this year.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I would like to see the same thing, but I think we both know that Gallagher is pretty key to that line. Have no idea who would get slotted in Gallaghers spot.

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      Gallagher is the key to that line.
      Without him, it does not work.
      He creates time and space for ‘Me and Davey’ and usually the other team requires 2 guys to shut him down.
      That is 1 of the reasons why 51 has time to find a sometimes wide open Max.

    • BriPro says:

      Theirs was the only constant effort last night. DD and Gallagher passed between themselves more often than usual, because Max was over-shadowed all game. Without little #11, I’m not sure there would have been much to cheer about. That line needs him.
      But then all 4 lines could use his effort.

  52. HabinBurlington says:

    L.A. to me is one of the 5 elite teams in the NHL, last time we played them we pressed early had chances didn’t score and then got wallpapered 6-0.

    I didn’t watch the game last night but sounds like Montreal was competitive. First game on a big road trip with some time zones involved and our backup goalie replacing our MVP seems to me the Habs put in a solid effort. Perhaps we catch a break or two in the next game and beat Anaheim.

    • I don’t get the LA Elite team monicker? Are they good, yes. Do they play a tough set of teams in the West? Yes. But their record is almost the same as the Habs. I get Anaheim, St. Louis, Chicago, The Sharks, Pittsburgh (who has Fleury… ‘nuf said. Imagine if Pittsburgh had Pricer or even Budaj?) Boston (who we always give fits to), even Colorado. So we’re in the thick of things and shouldn’t be blown out like we were. So is it the talent alone, or perchance the coaching? Yes, that is the drumbeat for the forseable future since Price quelled many of the nay-sayers with his olympic performance (I’m still not convinced that he is elite in the NHL as he is inconsistent and doesn’t come up for the Habs, despite our iffy defense… just sayin’)

      I’m speechless! 20 years and counting…

    • BriPro says:

      Competitive is a strong word.

  53. stevieray says:

    Is this Gionta’s final year of his contract ?…if so what should we do with him ..re sign or trade him to say New Jersey ?
    ….last of the famous 3 smurfs ?

    • stevieray says:

      or…let him walk ..free up 5 million in salary and use the money to get who MB really wants ?

      • Habfan17 says:

        I would say move him at the deadline if a team makes a decent offer. The best thing for the team would probably be picks. MB would still have the savings to apply to the RFA’s he will resign or to sign another player.

        Habfan17

        • stevieray says:

          should be interesting . MB has more than a year under his belt .This will be his second ttrade deadline and since he did very little last year at the deadline I think he’ll be a bit more active this year. Picks would be great but that’s a crap shoot sometimes …maybe letting him walk might work better …only MB knows. Moulson seems like a player who could help and his cap hit is only 3 mil or so ….but I do wonder why he has a hard time staying with 1 team

    • Um… yes and if he stays, then I would seriously question MB. Five smurfs and counting by the way. DD, Gally, Gionta, Briere, Franky, Montreal is 3rd in the league behind Dallas and Calgary in weight and smallest by height. 5 of the smallest players out of the 17 smallest in the league! Not stats we should be excited about;

      http://mirtle.blogspot.com/2013/01/2013-nhl-teams-by-weight-height-and-age.html

      Hey at least we don’t have Roy Woters who was our Habs goalie from 1925-37 and stood an imposing 5 foot 3! At least he was apparently good…

      I’m speechless! 20 years and counting…

  54. Good morning all and to those poor souls who watched the scintillating hockey! I was pleased to see that we weren’t blown out and watching the highlight reel, the 42 hits we had just suggested we didn’t have the puck much. Can’t say we’ll be in the playoffs for sure and I don’t know why this team is a Jekyll and Hyde crew.

    Could it be… the coach? I’ve heard about our lack of size, lack of intensity, lack of skilled scorers and all is true, yet in a defensive grinding match-up, we can go toe to toe. So what’s the solution? MT is clearly outclassed, out maneuvered and was brought in as a stop-gap for a rebuild. Yes we have a few holes to fill, but if our assets are managed, the 6-0 type blowouts shouldn’t happen.

    I also read about some commentariat wanting MB gone already? Wow, the Salem witch trials all over again… Sure he made some dumb ass rookie GM mistakes with Briere, Emelin (although yemmy was playing for a job last year), DD (I can’t remember his long stretch of feh and he is a garden ornament that only works if he feeds Max). I’ll give him a pass until 2015.

    Will PK walk as this management doesn’t seem to get it yet and he’s got too much talent to be bottled-up? That is my fear. Will we resign Gionta? Will we not take advantage of Markov’s value in a trade? Have we squelched whatever talent Eller has only to see him blossom elsewhere? Are we messing up Chucky by handling him like he is not yet ready for primetime? Bork, Bork, Bork… ugh! Moen – Really? when has he done anything, ever?

    Have a great day ya’ll, despite the loss, at least it wasn’t a stomping!

    I’m speechless! 20 years and counting…

    • Habfan17 says:

      Your point about Galchenyuk really strikes a chord. Why protect him. Either he is an NHL player or he should be in Hamilton. I watch players like Barkov, McKinnon, and Monahan, all being aloud to play their natural position. I never got having a rookie not only having to adjust to the speed and nuances of the NHL game, which in and of itself is tough, but also have to learn another position.

      If they want to take some pressure off, have him centre the 3rd line. If DD is not being moved, then move either Eller or Pleks. Depth at centre is a great thing, but something has to give. Bournival is also a very good centre and could centre the 3rd line when Galchenyuk is ready to centre the first.

      I understand taking a year or two to change the culture and assess what you have and what needs to be done. That time is up! Time to leverage some of the players who are not part of the plan at the deadline and then make more changes during the off season.

      Habfan17

      • Habfan17 says:

        damn edit feature, that should have been allowed, not aloud…doh!

        Habfan17

      • Agree. It’s very, very frustrating for us, imagine the young ladd! That’s why the stink of MT is growing stronger. Something has to give, including his handling of our other rookies. I’d hate to think we are killing the talent only to trade them away where they excel away from this choking coaching.

        I’m speechless! 20 years and counting…

  55. Old Bald Bird says:

    Go figure. I’m a guy who has problems sleeping, but I fell asleep in my recliner while waiting for the game to begin. I am not too unhappy to get a good nights sleep.

  56. MrNax says:

    Any coach that chooses to play Murray more than Subban, is an absolute idiot. WTF is Michel thinking? It’s insanity.

  57. doug19 says:

    I watched the first period where LA was big and fast. Tiny can hit great and was not intimidated. Habs lack of size hurts these days. Having DD on the same line is dumb even though Gally plays big. That was a nice rush by cold hands Moen. Put Moen with DD line. I am not concerned about Subban or Markov ice time as this is a challenging week for the team and minutes need managing. May take a little time for White to get back to top form.

  58. TMan1969 says:

    This site’s name should be changed to Damned if you do and Damned if you don’t – because this is one hell of a rollercoaster of comments (good and bad).

    LA Kings had Doughty, Carter, Quick and all their top tier players. Mtl doesn’t have the same depth not by a long shot – but they outhit the former champs and kept the game respectable. From what I could see on the highlights all Mtl had to do was hit the same gear they had in the final minutes – because the Kings were on the ropes then (just imagine 60 mins of the same effort…).

    They played tough and learned that the LA Kings are beatable…

    “If I knew the answer to that I’d bet $10,000 on the game and retire from coaching.”
    —Montreal Canadiens coach Toe Blake after being asked if his team would win an upcoming game

    • CJ says:

      Good comments. There were waves during which LA spent a solid 45 seconds in the Montreal end. We bent, but did not break. There were chances at both ends, but aside from the DD line, no sustained pressure was applied.

      LA is beatable. Scary to think, this was likely the second easiest game this week. It will get much tougher.

    • habstrinifan says:

      I dont think the ‘final minute push’ to score was impressive. True lots of energy but was more disorganized than threateningly good.

  59. mrgordon says:

    It pains me to say this, but The bruins have had their current combination of coach and gm for nearly a decade and the results speak for themselves. I’m sure that during some games and stretches Bruins fans desire change, but the organizational stability remains intact. Not surprisingly that Bruin team is pretty much a lock to win our division again, and contend to win the East…again.

    As i woke up last night with a screeching baby i was reading the banter on here on the live blog thread and some guy named Timo was losing his mind asking how much time can we give Bergeron before we toss him away and start over yet again. Y’know, even though we kind of held our own against one of thenWests better teams..,do we really want to just keep throwing the dice over and over again?

    Doesnt it make sense to take a freakin breath and give Bergevin some time? So much negative speculation and letting small sample sizes affect the big picture, those types must suck at relationships eh?

  60. montrealtilldeath says:

    Played to stay close last night; not to win. When does Therrian take of the mask and reveal his true identity ; Jacques Martin? I expect to see the little book soon. It’s all that’s missing.

  61. Storm Man says:

    I hope MB does some good trades but now it looks like round one of the playoffs once again.

  62. Habfan10912 says:

    Good morning friends. I wonder if you may have watched the last games in a Hab uniform for Bourque, Eller, and even perhaps Markov. I’m reasonably sure Bergevin will make some moves before the deadline. Perhaps he has a surprise or two in store for us.

    Off and running. I trust my friends will text and Email me with any trade information.

    CHeers

    • CJ says:

      I certainly hope that there are changes. I won’t go into detail as I’ve beaten that horse to death. I see this as a chance for Bergevin to put his stamp on the team. I anticipate the bulk of the moves to be made this offseason, but I will take a wait and see approach.

      I watch again last night. Love the captain, but in a game like this he is simply ineffective. Sorry to be so candid, but IMO, the only thing keeping Gionta in Montreal is the captaincy. Last night (this morning…), that’s big boy hockey. Briere, Gionta, Bourque all need to be much better. I’m not sure if Mike Richards is playing hurt, but boy, has his game gone south.

      Lastly, it really does amaze me that Georges is not hurt constantly. He takes some of the biggest hits, yet manages to get up.

      • Habfan17 says:

        Hey CJ,
        Captains have been traded before and will be traded again. I don’t think that should be a consideration if anyone offers anything reasonable for Gionta. Ott was the latest captain to be traded.

        I am not sure we will see any Habs trades at the deadline. If memory serves, MB did make a deadline trade, but a couple of days before the deadline, when prices are a bit more reasonable!

        Habfan17

        • CJ says:

          Good morning Steve. I agree you can move a captain, however I think it becomes much more difficult in Montreal. There was some great dialogue going back and forth with points being tallied for and against the move. Not an easy decision. I just don’t see a future for Gio, so if you could turn him over for future assets then that would be a positive. Just my opinion. Like I said, lots of great arguments on the other side of the fence.

          • Habfan17 says:

            Yes there are solid arguments both ways. Montreal is different although when a GM like Gainey, who was all for restoring the tradition treats Koivu the way he did and let him go for nothing on top of it all, basically for Gomez, who was not much better at the time stats wise, who knows what will happen!

            Habfan17

  63. CJ says:

    I’m tired. The end.

  64. Marc10 says:

    This was an ultra defensive match up. The Kings are a better team, but mostly because we cannot score beyond our first line. Kopitar, Carter, and Doughty are their game breakers. They do most of the damage.

    The Habs’ offensive weapons are not as seasoned. Our version of Kopitar is Chucky, and he’s a few years away from playing at that level. Patches is our Carter and he was neutered tonight. Subban is our Doughty. He scored, but Doughty was more engaged and in control of his rink. Not sure why PK was under-utilised tonight… Daigneault should be asked the question. Something was up.

    Otherwise it was a wash. Budaj was every bit as good as Quick. Richards and Pleky drew. Gally was right up there with any of their hard-nosed character guys. DD was named a star…

    Our patchwork D handled itself well. They should not be in the same galaxy as LA’s, and yet they held their own. Outside of the top 5 teams in this parity league, that defensive performance should be good enough for the win. Unfortunately we were playing a top 5 side.

    Tiny had a good fight. He looked out of place at times and was caught out chasing, but you’d expect that. Murray and Gorges were good considering the opposition. If anything it was Markov and Yemmy that were taken to the woodshed. They had a harder time dealing with rushes and gave up solid scoring chances. PK… well that’s a head scratcher. Like I said, something was up. 22 mins! A journalist should ask…

    I won’t pile on to Eller and Bourque too much. They should both be sent to the press box if Bourni and Prust are good to return. There’s nothing to be gained from watching them sleepwalk through another West Coast monster match up. Might as well play guys who are ready to step up.

    Overall, I can’t fault the team. The better team won, but it wasn’t by much and that’s a fair reflection of the effort and the play. My two cents anyway…

  65. JUST ME says:

    Not much to say about the game. If you do not get to shoot ,you don`t get to score either ! Still the difference maker was penalties so both teams were keeping up.
    Kopitar,Doughty,Carter… day dreaming… Still though something missing in L.A. to compete with the western hockey machines but if they make it to the playoffs..what was the old saying ?
    Good game by Budaj but this time came up short …

    Funny to see all those negative comments from people we do not see here very often…as if they were waiting for the moment…Naaahhhhh…it just can`t be !

  66. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …just watched Rob Ford on Kimmel

    …he stood there and took whatever Kimmel gave him

    …Ya know …if I was foolish enough to live in Toronto (which I’m not) …I think I would vote for him in October :)

  67. BrownHabFan says:

    Boone see’s what I see….a really super soft team that usually scratches out wins with usually stellar goaltending keeping them in most games…personally for the type of players we have compared to. The coaching system we are playing….expect lots of these boring hockey games….and with Price supposedly on the IR this could get ugly

    “I couldn’t really hear the words that Jeremy was saying because I got my 2 stanley cup rings plug in my ear”
    Patrick Roy

  68. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …amazing ! …Almost 3 AM and BOTH a game blog AND an ALN !

    …Gawd, Boone MUST have swallowed a year’s supply of Cialis …AND Viagra to stay up tonight

  69. SlovakHab says:

    Okay, so let’s recap:

    - Murray plays over 20 mins – let’s be all surprised that we are getting out-possessed and LA Kings have the puck more.
    - Emelin & Gorges on ice with extra attacker.
    - With Subban on the ice at 5 vs 5 the Habs were +7 in shot attempts. Without him, they were -22. (source @RobertJFTC). Yet, he only plays over 22 minutes.
    - “the Canadiens tried one of their countless dump-ins to gain the offensive zone” – yeah, that’s our style. According to MT

    Yes, Mike Boone. This team has the horses to play wide open game. Price, Pacioretty, Plekanec, Subban and Markov are all one of the best players in the league on their position. Gionta, Eller, Gally 1 and 2 and Briere can play, and they can score. However for some strange reason, everybody miraculously regressed comparing to the last season.

    Do we need any more evidence that this team is stiffled by the coaching? People complain about our team being boring, about them dumping the puck and not retrieving it… about getting outshot.

    There is a lot wrong with this team, but the core is good. Just because coach has them playing defensively and dump the puck and therefore score less than they could, doesn’t mean they don’t have the capacity to be better.

    • The_Truth says:

      If you expect more from this team and think they have the talent to play a more wide open game, then you are not looking at things clearly. DD-Patches-Gally are the only line that has been consistenly good for months. Besides Pleks and Chucky, the talent drop-off is steep. gonta is a 3rd liner at best and Eller is just terrible. Both should be gone next season. Then there is Moen, White, Weise, Prust, Bourque, Parros, Bournival. I mean come on. What do you expect?

      This team is doing better than their talent and that is a testament to the coaching. I’m afraid come playoff time, it just can’t hold up.

      • The Jackal says:

        For real.
        Love how the stat-heads cite numbers yet ignore the implications.
        Murray played a lot – yeah, cus it was a grinding game in which his presence was needed.
        Subby didn’t play 28 mins tonight? Uh oh, fire the coach!
        C’mon. This team is decent but it it’s been a one line team for a long time. You play a wide open game and they get smoked.

        ______________________
        Hockey sine stercore tauri.

      • SlovakHab says:

        “you expect more from this team and think they have the talent to play a more wide open game”
        - yes. see last season.

        “DD-Patches-Gally are the only line that has been consistenly good for months”
        - because it is the only line that has been consistently playing together for months. EGG line was just as good. P.S.: They are getting favourable matchups and off zone starts.

        “gonta is a 3rd liner at best and Eller is just terrible”
        -Gionta is 157th in league in scoring, and in 30 teams that’s a top-6 production, just divide 157/30 – and that 157 includes defencemen. definitely not a 3rd line production. and by the way, Gionta plays top opposition.
        Eller is struggling, but he was excellent at EGG line. Put Desharnais between Borque and Prust, and he will produce equally. Last season under a different coaching scheme, Eller had 30 points in 46 games. This young player is one heck of a center and one day a smart GM will get him off MB for a 4th line grinder or a 3rd round pick

        • SUMO says:

          So based on your analysis, are you saying The Habs need to resign Brian Gionta? Since you believe he is still a capable top-6 player and plays against the other teams top players?

        • Bob_Sacamano says:

          You´re completely right. Unfortunately you´re in a discussion with guys who are absolutely clueless. It´s a waste of time.

    • DickandDanny says:

      Without Murray it would have been another 6-0 drubbing. The guy was great battling in our own end, moving people out in front, and got the puck out almost every time he fought for it. Which Murray are you watching? Bill Murray in Ground Hog Day, I imagine. Your rant over Murray just keeps going round and round like that movie..

      “A cannonading blast from the wing, by Lafleur”

      • SlovakHab says:

        Here’s the Murray I was watching.

        Great positioning, Doug!
        https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bh23YhuCcAAVLqN.jpg:large

        Look, Murray is an example of a guy who get lots of credit for being a tough, hard-working hockey player that will work his butt off in the defensive zone, sacrificing his body for the sake of the team.

        However, I’d rather have the players who keep the puck in the offensive end and let the guys on the other team earn those bruises & accolades.

  70. Timo says:

    Was it Eugenie Bouchard in the stands tonight?

    On that happy thought, I am going to sleep.

  71. Lil Snapper says:

    This franchise is heading nowhere, no friggin moves at deadline again (most Likely)when there is a need to be filled. I hope you all really watched the game tonight and saw how damn awful our offense was, yeah they battled but nothing too threatening. The passing was absolutely awful, 13 giveaways to 0 takeaways, yeah that’s gonna win. The dead weight needs to go, and sadly the dead weight was gained since MB took office. You better make some moves MB or your time will be very shortlived in montreal.

  72. SUMO says:

    This game and in particular, this road trip will be a good measuring stick for the Habs. GM Bergevin has been rumoured to be after a scoring winger for a while now and tonight’s game showed you why, they are a one-line team. Outside of the DD line, none of the other unit’s are contributing consistent offense.

    Captain Gionta kind of flies below the radar among the HIO regulars but he gets 17-19mins nightly and has yet only produced 12goals. He may not even get 20. Fortunately this is his final year of his us$5mill contract. For a guy counted on to contribute offense, he’s been a disappointment.

    The third line with Eller and Bourque has been together for more than a month and they simply have no chemistry. Outside of Saturday’s Leafs game when Weise was moved up to play with them, that line has not worked out.

    I’m probably in the minority here, but I really believe this team isn’t that far off from being among the top echelon. Get some secondary scoring and with Price in the nets they could surprise in the playoffs. Its not like the King’s dominated the game.

  73. J.Ambrose.OBrien says:

    Despite the lack of shots, I actually thought it was an entertaining game. Fast transitions; good hitting; goal mouth scrambles; and in doubt til the very end. Better than the stats showed.

    I remember Dec. 31, 1975

    • SlovakHab says:

      Unfortunately, Mike Boone seems to disagree with you. Recently he reckons all games are boring and difficult to watch, with his blog being mostly negative after majority of games. Not sure what’s wrong with him, but I don’t enjoy ALNs as much as I used to.

  74. Congrats to Team Canada says:

    #1

  75. Paz says:

    I told people when I first saw PK that he was another Vlad Guerrero.

    Vlad would make mistakes all the time. Swing at pitches that bounced in the dirt, miss signs, throw to the wrong base.

    But Vlad was not reprimanded for his mistakes.

    The coaches knew that Vlad was Vlad, and he was a special player, the type you leave alone.

    Subban was selected to the Olympic team and 2 days later he was benched.

    After the benching he had a meeting with Bergevin.

    Subban has not played well since.

  76. stephen says:

    Hi Paz,

    That’s a really interesting comparison. I would tend to agree with you in the sense that both PK and Guerrero have/had loads of raw, brute talent.

    And to some degree, I don’t think that sort of skill can always be bridled according to a system.

    I would love to see PK paired with a more solid, defensively sound partner. No disrespect to Gorges, but he isn’t the right complement to Subban’s game.

  77. Paz says:

    Yes. They tried Markov for a while.

  78. Luke says:

    No, if Eller could score goals or make plays he’d be the first line centre.

  79. Maritime Ronn says:

    That’s a bout the size of it….but I am still waiting to see what he does over the next 2 summers


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