About last night …

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Hey, you want style points?
Stay tuned for the Winter Olympics.
There will be style points up the triple-lutz wazoo at Sochi.
Here in Montreal, we’ll settle for points in the standings.
And a singularly unstylish 2-0 win over Calgary boosted your Canadiens past Toronto into third place in the Eastern Conference’s Atlantic Division standings.

The game was not one for the ageless, timeless, classic DVD boxed set.

On a 1-to-10 entertainment scale, where 10 is Bruce Springsteen live and 1 is a monkey flinging feces out of his cage, the game checked in at about a 4 … surging to 5 when the fourth line was on the ice.

Newcomer Dale Weise teamed up with Michaël Bournival and Ryan White, back from the injury list, to produce some of the best fourth-line shifts we’ve seen this season.

The three can skate, do a bit of banging and generate some offence. White led all CH skaters with six shots on goal, adding two hits. Weise had three shots and three hits, while Bournioval added four hits.

A nice night’s work for about 13 minutes of ice time. The line’s only tense moments came after they iced the puck and Bob Hartley got his scorers – Sean Monahan, Joe Colborne and Mike Cammalleri – on against them. The Flames buzzed the Canadiens’ net briefly before a chip-out and offside call let Michel Therrien change up his personnel.

The fourth line’s performance almost certainly will compel Therrien to keep them together on Thursday night, when Vancouver visits the Bell Centre.

That game could have Sochi implications if, as expected, the goaltending duel matches Carey Price against Roberto Luongo.

I like Price’s chances.

Shrugging off Sunday’s loss to Winnipeg – when he was beaten short side on a wraparaound and then gifted a goal on a fugly turnover – Price  was almost perfect in shutting out the Falmes.

The “almost” qualifier applies because Price was charged with three giveaways. The Canadiens coughed up the puck an eye-popping 22 times – against only six giveaways for Calgary – and the sloppiness might well have cost them against a better team than the Flames.

Nathan Beaulieu turned the puck over five times. Andrei Markov had four.

The only defenceman who wasn’t charged with a giveaway was Douglas Murray. The big guy had a couple of hits, a couple of blocked shots and was on the ice for the turning point of the game.

With Tomas Plekanec off for roughing, of all things, early in the second period and the game scoreless, Lars Eller was charged with a faceoff violation and Calgary had a 5-on-3 power play for a full two minutes.

Therrien deployed Murray, Josh Gorges and Brandon Prust. They played the full two minutes and held the Flames to three shots on Price.

OK, this was Calgary, with the league’s 26th-ranked power play. But still …

Speaking of struggling power plays, the Canadiens entered the game with 10 goals in 81 man-advantage opportunities over a 25 game stretch. That works out to an anemic 12.3 per cent success rate, but the number got a slight boost because David Desharnais’ empty-netter was a power-play goal.

On two earlier opportunities, however, it was futility as usual for Canadiens. With opposing penalty-killers pressuring Andrei Markov and P.K. Subban, the Canadiens have yet to come up with any down-low scoring threats.

Enough negativity.

You have to love a game in which Rene Bourque scored the winning goal – and added four hits against his former team. The line of Bourque, Lars Eller and Brandon Prust played well, and Daniel Brière continues to look good on the wing with Plekanec and Brian Gionta.

When Alex Galchenyuk returns after the Olympics, the Canadiens are going to have a traffic jam at the forward positions. If the Plekanec and David Desharnais lines remain intact, I’d like to see Galchenyuk play with Eller and Bourque.

That would relegate Prust to a the fourth line, where he would play with come combination of Weise, White, Moen, Parros or Bournival.

Too many players. Marc Bergevin will have the Olympic break to figure things out.

Charlie Pierce, one of my heroes in journalism, was at the game. He tweeted this.

• Tweet of the Night, from my other hero, Down Goes Brown: Tim Thomas scored on by David Clarkson. Typical Republican, complains about horribly wasteful spending but won’t do anything to stop it. 

 

 

 

 

 

553 Comments

  1. Hobie Hansen says:

    It’s getting rather frustrating watching the dump and chase, I have to admit.

    A typical rush is dumping the puck in the corner and not coming up with it. When the Habs do block the clearing attempt along the boards and come up with puck they end up throwing a blind or miracle pass towards the front of the net. The pass either goes into a crowd of players or there simply isn’t a Habs player in front of the net at all.

    They are constantly being forced to the outside because they’re just too small and not aggressive enough.

    The defence, without Bouillon and Diaz, has looked better recently.

    • Phil C says:

      Being forced to the outside has nothing to do with size. Briere and Gallagher have the best net presence on the team and they are among the smallest players in the league. Gionta has spent his career in the dirty areas. Let’s not get carried away with this size thing, you can’t stop a player without the puck from going to the net without taking a penalty, otherwise Briere would never get close.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        Are you kidding me? So you’re telling me that a different coach could come in and get this roster to drive to the net and prevent them from being pushed to the outside?

      • Strummer says:

        Size is critical- small players even though they get inside get physically over-powered and can’t finish.
        Habs rank 29th in 5 on 5 goal production.
        Look at the beating Gally took on Sunday.

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        • Phil C says:

          They were among the best 5 on 5 last season. How do you explain that?

          • Strummer says:

            A smaller Briere replaced Ryder/Cole, bigger guys like Eller and Bourque not the same this year
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    • Eddie says:

      And where is our quick transition game from last season? The defence would move the puck quickly to the forwards on a turnover or a loose puck, and we would race through the neutral zone with speed.

      And a few games back Markov, Emelin, Gorges and even Murray were creating offensive chances by taking some risks in the offensive zone.

      A team that relies on winning with 2 or less goals will not play 500 hockey and will not make the playoffs.

    • Luke says:

      Habs get standing still at the blue line a lot.

      They have some bad tendancies with the puck right now, and one of the most glaring is that they play with it on their backhands too much (Eller, I’m looking at you) and make soft backhand dumps or soft backhand passes that just can’t be received, recovered or don’t even make it to their destinantion (Eller, that’s you again. Others do this too Lars, but, man, you do it 8 out of 10 times you touch the puck.).

      They also force everyone without the puck to stop at the blueline and wait.
      They cross the line and curl… looking for an option, but there isn’t one because everyone else is standing still and has to get started. Or they rush the puck up ice, a Dipsy here, perhaps a Doodle there… and then they hit a wall of stopped Habs and a complimentary number of defenders and they have to dump the puck in (PK? PK this is the part you should be reading). The problem with this is that the defenders are now between the flatfooted forecheckers and puck and chances of recovery are slim to none.

      Now, is that the coach’s problem for setting a system where the players make plays on their backhands, or rush in Gomezian fashion or is it the players for not supporting “PK’s” rush, the players for halting forward progress with a late/long rush or “Eller’s” for forcing the play to his backand?

      • krob1000 says:

        First of all teams ALWAYS try to force a guy to his backhand in any trap oriented system….once backed in they will obviously then change to keeping a player outside at the expense of forehand/backhand. That is one of the first rules of any form of trap. Once nearing the other teams blueline the D will then try to stand them up or limit their spsce at or just inside the blueline allowing only a chip option unless you have a very close guy supporting the cup and can make short pass but that is normally a situation where the other d would back off and try to delay for back pressure. The only way this is avoided if the transition game is quicker and/or the rush is made with full speed…very rare anymore in the tight NHL game. PK gains the line often and many times beats the blueline stand but unfortunately his ofrwards will have been forced to a standstill so he never has anyone with him once he does it. IF he is going to rush twith them ahead of him they should arange at least one neutral zone swinger who can attack with more speed than PK to create an option and some more forward pressure so that a breakdown results…as is even when the Habs do have someone break down the d at the blueline there is no option.

        • Luke says:

          I do get that teams try and force the play to an attackers backhand. The attackers just shouldn’t be so compliant. Perhaps whip a wrister at the net from the top of the faceoff circles once in a while instead of coasting to the goal line on the backhand and floating a B/H pass into the slot where the defenders are waiting for it.

          Also, I agree that a forward or 2 needs to loop back and skate WITH the rushing player. That’s sort of what I was getting at.

          The rusher also needs to recognize if there is a logjam and switch up the attack a little sooner.

          I don’t know if that’s on the coaches or the players though. I have to think it’s the players, because they are the ones actually doing it.

    • frontenac1 says:

      I would tend to agree with you Hobie. With the exception of Gally, and the new 4th line, net presence has been weak. Lots of shots from the outside. Briere doesn’t get dirty but that’s not his game. Max is floating and Lars needs some time with a Viking shrink again.

      • krob1000 says:

        Briere will get very dirty come playoff time…the great majority of his playoff points come from Gallagher territory…that is what makes him an effective playoff guy.
        Nice to see Weise going to teh net…that is what opened up so much space…instead of option 1 being the cycle he went to the net…made space and created a bit of havoc and confusion that led to White and he getting several chances…every line needs someone being a net presence at every stage of every cycle..too often Habs lower lines are not looking to score…only looking to possess. Some of the players just aren;t wired that way…this is why having Brounival and Wesie there changed things…they are both guys that hasve basic opffensive instincts and White ahs some as well despite never being a poitn producer since junior. They won’t convert at a scoring line rate but they will increase the amount of chances from previous lines of that ilk and that will lead to more goals…simply a numbers game.

  2. Luke says:

    Darren Dreger with the Scoop on Bolland. The Leafs will Sign him, trade him or let him walk as a free agent.

    Thanks Dregs. They don’t call you an insider for nothing.

    Darren Dreger: He’s an unrestricted free agent at the end of the year, so Dave Nonis and the Toronto Maple Leafs are going to have to figure out what option they want to pursue with Bolland.
    There are three of them: No. 1 is they’ll negotiate relatively soon and find out what his number would be to avoid free agency.
    No. 2 is if they don’t like the number at this stage in the season, they wait and use him as their own rental to push for the playoffs.
    No. 3, which isn’t anywhere near as likely as No.1 but is certainly an option, is to trade Bolland if you know that a deal isn’t likely to be made.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Heard that yesterday, he truly is the Kreskin of Hockey.

    • Strummer says:

      It is truly laughable how little these insiders have to say to justify their titles.
      Mackenzie is just as bad re-cycling the same Buffalo stories about Ott etc. which doesn’t take an insider to figure out a last place team is always a seller.

      Hockey USED to live here. Now it just drops in like the neighbour you’re glad moved away but keeps popping in.

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  3. CJ says:

    I hear all the time about what a great team the Blues have. Admittedly, they are very good. That said, they won’t win a single playoff series if they don’t improve their goaltending situation. Unless he is playing against Montreal, Halak is average at best. He looks small in the net and loses his positioning. Elliot is streaky and can’t play the puck.

    For all their struggles, Montreal’s goaltending gives them a chance to win every night. We might be missing key pieces, but our goaltending is among the best in the league. Whether that’s due to Waite, the goaltenders themselves, or a combination of the two I couldn’t say. This is the biggest piece of the puzzle and something to build upon.

    • Cal says:

      Buffalo’s Miller will likely be heading there to solidify them. It all depends upon what the Sabres want. Then, they will be as likely to win as any team in the West.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      The GM in St. Louis who traded away Bishop should almost be fired for that decision.

      • CJ says:

        Agreed. Major miscalculation. Jake Allen is probably better then both right now.

      • Strummer says:

        Ottawa traded him too.

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        • CJ says:

          Bryan Murray is revered in the city of Ottawa. He doesn’t make mistakes. Despite this being his seventh year as the GM with a total of one playoff series victories, I’m told he’s the best in the business.

          • frontenac1 says:

            Making Spezza captain was like making Lou captain in Van.

          • Luke says:

            Lou was a great Captain.

            Wait, we’re talking Lou Albano, right?

          • HabinBurlington says:

            I have no issue with Ottawa trading Bishop as Anderson was lights out last year and stole them a first round win. The back up Lehner appears to be on his way to becoming a good player as well. The trades for Turris and Ryan seemed pretty good to me. Didn’t he draft Karlsson with his midround first pick?

            Murray makes mistakes like all GM’s do, but he also built the Anaheim team with Burke took credit for winning Cup. We could do much worse than having Murray GM our team.

        • monmick says:

          Yeah, but they got Conacher for him… errrr, nevermind….

          ~~~> Mathematically eliminated…

        • Old Bald Bird says:

          Basically, I like Murray’s guts. When he needed a goalie, he traded for Bishop. When he had a surplus, he traded him away. As usual, no one is ecstatic with the return, but I think we’ve all seen this movie before.

  4. Sportfan says:

    Do you think the Habs might trade someone like Moen away, because of the bottom 6 log jam?

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  5. joewindsor habfan says:

    i thought that the Manitoba Muckers (White & Weise) w/ Bournival deserved to be on the ice during the dying seconds of the game. they played a helluva game and should have been rewarded for it.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      That would have been great to see. I suppose MT is thinking he wants to get the powerplay unit going by giving them the time to get confidence, but as a fan I think a better message would be sent letting the muckers get the spoils indeed.

  6. thebonscott says:

    Noticed Latendresse was on L’antichambre last night, is his career over? If so i missed that, was it the concussion problems. If he can still play MB should offer him a hamilton deal to see if there is anything left in the tank. He looked good on L’antichambre.

    C’mon guys this is not rocket surgery!!!!

    • Habfan17 says:

      The question is, would he be an upgrade on Bournival? I don’t see Latendresse being more than a 3rd line player

      Habfan17

    • shiram says:

      He was kicked out of his Euro league team.
      Concussions have indeed taken their tole.
      He’s not going to suit up for the Dogs.

    • Psycho29 says:

      He retired a few weeks ago; concussion issues.
      Actually he’s pretty good on L’Antichambre. (Of course PJ Schlock is there so it’s not hard to look good)

    • Bripro says:

      He didn’t want to try his hand in Europe this year, thinking that he would be picked up after the season started, his concussion issues notwithstanding.
      He had done quite well in Minnesota and thought for certain that he’d sign somewhere.
      It wasn’t to be, and now I think that the European opportunity has passed him by.
      And you’re right, he looked good on AC last night.
      I’d like to see him replace Gaston Therrien.
      GT is pretty good on analysing play by plays, but I wish he’d leave the jokes to Joey Elias or Robin Williams, because the only one who laughs at his jokes his him. It’s embarrassing.

    • Sportfan says:

      Poor guy he is only 26, he is living proof that you never rush raw talent to the NHL he was doomed from the start, a big body who never went in front of the net, Plek had to tell him to park his butt there.

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  7. Strummer says:

    Re: the Olympic accomodations for Team Canada Hockey –
    These guys insisted they be treated the same as the other athletes competing- what a classy, dedicated and focussed group.

    Far cry from the ’92 Barcelona Olympics when the U.S. Mens’ basketball “Dream Team” stayed off-site in a 5 star luxury hotel.

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    • Vladdy Mondavi says:

      Of course, it has nothing to do with staying at a world-class athlete hedonistic resort.

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    • Sportfan says:

      Yeah but Basketball in the Olympics is a bigger farce than NHL players being in Olympic hockey.

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      • HabinBurlington says:

        Really? How so? The international teams at the Olympics put up excellent games against the U.S. To me that is some of my favourite basketball to watch. Granted the States is still winning most of them, but Spain nearly upset the States last Olympics. 2004 Argentina surprised everyone and won the gold with U.S. having to settle for Bronze.

        I would say the women’s hockey is more of a farce given only two countries have a chance to win Gold. International basketball is very very good.

        • Strummer says:

          Women’s hockey is such a farce I believe they’ve been put on notice by the IOC that if things don’t get more competitive the end will in sight for them

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  8. shiram says:

    White had a great night, and was rewarded with the 3rd star for it, which seems to have made him happy.
    A small thing in the grand scheme of things, but I like to appreciate small stuff like that.
    4th line was the highlight of the team last night, with Price, obviously.

    I was also wondering, as I watched Brière play, why don’t the Habs take more advantage of the larger space behind the net? Having a player there will push the D down low, and leave our D free for passes and one timer.
    It seems only Brière is willing to set up behind the net.

  9. adamkennelly says:

    always liked White – he is a text book 4th line center as long as he keeps his head about him.

    Weise, White and Prust is a great 4th line. too bad its the only line that Habs have locked up.

    really need upgrades to all other lines.

    need to get rid of a forward to make room for everyone now.

  10. GL says:

    if this team ever want a chance at winning a cup MB had better go looking for three forwards that can put up 65-75 pts per season than we’d be looking at 3-pretty good 1st liners right now we don’t have one. Briere use to be but can’t do it anymore them days are behind him. I think the Stanley cup parade is many years away. Not to sound negative how about 15-20 years!!!

  11. Vladdy Mondavi says:

    A few questions/thoughts on the pending trade deadlines:

    1. Does anyone know if the Olympic break trade deadline (this Friday, I believe) includes no transactions at all (i.e. waiver or demotions to AHL)?
    2. If it doesn’t include demotions, are Bournival and Beaulieu sent to Hamilton for additional icetime? or are they given the 10-day holiday?
    3. As the acquisition of Weise is indicative that MB is gearing up for the playoffs, I don’t foresee any castoffs of UFAs prior to March 5.

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    • Cal says:

      1.Feb 9th is last waiver day.
      2. They holiday would do them good- recharge their batteries for the final push.
      3. UFAs will be moved. Have no doubts about that. MB knows this team isn’t a contender yet.

  12. Steeltown Hab says:

    While it’s just the 4th line. If White comes out for Moen or Parros that’s a joke. Been saying for 2 years he’s our best 4th liner.

    How Therrien thinks we’re good enough to not use Bournival in the top-9 is hilarious. Really can’t understand how Prust is anyway a better option, unless you’re just looking to improve the 4th as a priority with Bournival.

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    • third generation haber says:

      Wish we sacrificed some of our ineffective “skill” guys and iced a bottom 6, instead of 3 supposed “scoring” lines.

      Like the sisters: DD and Briere.

      j.p. murray

      • krob1000 says:

        So you wanted the loss?or a roll od the ot dice?….the goal that won the game was scored by your ineffective skill guys Bourque from Prust and Eller in their third line role….

        • Steeltown Hab says:

          They scored, that’s great. The line is ineffective. Has been ever since put together.

          Bournival – Eller – Bourque is a massive upgrade offensively.

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          • krob1000 says:

            Something is going to hav e to give with the number of bodies…but that line you are suggesting is still a 3rd scoring line so I would be content with that…I thought you were saying to have twop grinder lines which would be a strange thing to do for a team already offense starved.

          • Cal says:

            Do you actually watch the games? That line has been working well since it was put together. They are generating chances and are playing a solid, physical game. Are they Crosby and Malkin? Hell no, but they could be a lot worse.

          • ont fan says:

            Effective scoring line? If our goalies make more than one mistake we are in real trouble.

          • boing007 says:

            Sounds good. What does MT think?

            Richard R

      • 2mins4lookinsooogood says:

        Not to pile on 3GH, but tongue in cheek or not, the use of female names for players as a regular dismissive is not cool.

        “Don’t crush that dwarf Alex Henry, hand me the pliers”

    • CJ says:

      I think Moen slots onto the fourth line with Weise and White. Bournival can be used to replace any of Briere, Gionta or Bourque if Bergevin can work a trade.

      Call me crazy, but I’d rather keep Bourque and press to move Gionta (UFA) or Briere. Bourque will be easier to move next year. Further, if his play improves he will hold more value so we are not just dumping him for nothing or taking back a salary we can’t afford.

      Just my two cents….

      • krob1000 says:

        I think Bouruqe is a classic confidence and hard luck case…he is continuing to get chances…eventually they go in. At his cost I would agree…..I think Gio is as much as gone for next season..so I would not be surprised to see him be the guy moved at all. What people are forgetting is the BRiere is a natural center OR RW…so if Gio were shipped out then Briere slides to the right and possibly Galchenyuk slides in at the left side…or you moe someone else up but you get the point…Briere can play the right and he is lookin gevery bit the part of a top 6 again the last couple of weeks desptite the frustration of the majority of HIO.

      • knob says:

        I would rather keep Bourque period. I have faith that there is still some good hockey in that guy.

      • frontenac1 says:

        The only move I can see Marc making with Gio is to NJ to play out his Career with his Kid brother. It would be a classy way to move the Captain.

    • Dust says:

      I like bournival as a player but i really don’t think putting this guy into our top 9 is gonna help the habs that much.
      The guy isn’t a goal scorer. He isn’t a game breaker. I see him as a speedy grinder. He would be fine on the 3rd line but i think bourque eller and prust has been one of the better lines lately.

    • 2mins4lookinsooogood says:

      Steeltown, think of Bournival currently as a Daniel Paille type. He has speed and skill and can often move up to the top lines, but his presence on the 4th line help balance the Bruins attack and make the other lines better.

      Basically, your last line is exactly what MT is thinking

      “Don’t crush that dwarf Alex Henry, hand me the pliers”

  13. 25 while im alive says:

    Don’t think GS and the isles need a first rounder for TV because he will walk on July 1st. Regardless. Bad move for GS giving MM and 1st.

  14. HabFab says:

    And the bookies say;

    Guillaume Lefrançois – #Sotchi2014 Via le bon @WharnsbyCBC, cotes de bodog.ca pour le hockey
    CAN 2-1
    RUS 9-4
    SWE 4-1
    USA 6-1
    CZE 10-1
    FIN 10-1
    SUI 25-1
    SVK 33-1

  15. Psycho29 says:

    Great win last night, not the most exciting game though. A solid debut by Weise…

    And to those true “Canadiens fans” who were looking forward to “Cammy” scoring a couple against the Habs last night (as they said yesterday)….At least you got to see him take a stupid, selfish penalty at the end of the game.

    • CJ says:

      Probably the same people who were hoping Cole would light us up when we went into Dallas.

      I am guilty of focusing on the longer term at the expense of winning right now (trade our UFA’s as opposed to adding rentals), but I have never cheered against the team. I believe Montreal has a very good chance of beating Vancouver and Carolina, propelling them into the break on a streak (5-1-1).

      Best case scenario IMO, is that we win and move UFA’s. I know you can’t always have your cake and eat it to, but I’m greedy lol.

    • Blondie says:

      I always liked Cammelleri’s scoring ability but I sure don’t miss his dumb and/or lazy and/or selfish penalties. I seem to recall a quick graphic on TSN’s coverage showing he was a league-leading -40 since the trade. Yikes!

  16. rogus says:

    I am not looking forward to Moen returning and the demotion of Bournival to the Dogs. I can’t remember the last time I’ve been excited and confident in watching a 4th line play. Bournival’s speed and skill eclipses anything that Moen and his stone hands brings to the team. Too slow, dump and chase player that we could likely get value for, maybe in a package with a d-man to a place like Edmonton for a scorer.

    • commandant says:

      I really hope they don’t demote Bournival. I think it may be a rotation of fourth liners in the press box.

      This is why I don’t understand the Weise acquisition. Where does he play when Galchenyuk is healthy. Did we just move one healthy scratch for another?

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      • Vladdy Mondavi says:

        I think because of contracts, if there is a demotion it will be Bournival.
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    • krob1000 says:

      Something is going to give….Habs are likely going to make a 2 player for one deal at some point before the deadline or move someone for picks….they will likley reduce the palyer number though..pretty much have to.

  17. Sportfan says:

    Well a win is a win right? As crappy as the game was we won and that should make us happy. On the other hand Diaz would score his first game just to make us feel uncomfortable :P

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    • Mattyleg says:

      Weise had a bunch of bodychecks, which may have made Diaz fans uncomfortable!

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • krob1000 says:

        I am glad both ahd great debuts…as good as Weise did Diaz did outdo him on their opening night. Diaz took 4 shots on goal? he never shot anymore in Montreal and he took 4 for Vancouver? Weise looked pretty solid and is an upgrade on the lower lines for sure. PErsonlaly I thought Diaz should have been the guy to stay as a right dman and Gorges should have been moved…Gorges withbeing signed likely could have netted a better return but if Diaz is the guy to go then I am happy with the return given his status as a UFA. I thinkit was a 6 of one half a dozen of the other situation…by keeping Gorges the Habs likely spend a bit mroe than if they signed Diaz…..however, if the Habs get consistency out of Wweise they may move Boruque or Moen and save the dollars there. My only dark fear….taht Vancou8ver slides out of any hoeful playoff picture…palys Diaz 25 mins a night until the deadline….and then moves him for a better package…

        • Vladdy Mondavi says:

          Diaz may have had a better night statistically, but Weise helped the Habs win. VCR didn’t win.

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          Opinions are like kittens, I’m giving them away.

          • krob1000 says:

            I spent pretty well the entire day yesterday annoying HIO by defending nearly every negative post about Weise and was very happy to have him..and his debut was pretty darn good. I was hand am happy with the deal…assuming it meant Diaz was being dealt but he Diaz was noot a bad player and IMO was a victim of circumstance in Montreal and there were too many guys like him…although I thought his lower cost (unless he was asking for way more) and the fact that he was a righty would have made him the guy to stay.

    • third generation haber says:

      Music to my ears, but can’t believe for a second that they’re asking for MacKinnon. I would be very happy to see O’Reilly or Bordeleau come our way.

      j.p. murray

      • HabFab says:

        I believe he was referring to the rumour that PK was being offered to Colorado that a writer there reported last week. This writer is implying that it was probably Markov being discussed and the other writer had his wires crossed.

    • Habfan17 says:

      I hope a GM makes an offer that cannot be refused!

      Habfan17

      • third generation haber says:

        Not sure which GM u are talking about, but I’d be terrified if MB offere any key prospects or a 1st round pick. We aren’t there yet and no trade’s gonna make us a cup contender. Asset Management!

        j.p. murray

  18. HabinBurlington says:

    Did anyone catch the highlight last night in the Canucks game where Henrik Sedin completely gives up the puck as he is afraid of getting hit in his ribs? (which obviously aren’t healed up yet)

    That play could be big time ammunition for other teams to line up Hank and make contact whenever possible. If his ribs are that bad that he has to avoid all contact and dump the puck, why is he playing?

    I respect the fact that NHL players are extremely motivated to show they can play, but sometimes seems to me players are rushed back to the detriment of the team.

  19. Vladdy Mondavi says:

    Only time will tell which team wins the Diaz-Wiese trade, if any.

    One thing is for certain, in my opinion, Wiese is the type of player needed in the playoffs, moreso than Diaz.

    _______________________________
    Opinions are like kittens, I’m giving them away.

    • arcosenate says:

      Nice to see Dalton Thrower bounce back this year, he’s really turned things around. Collberg doesn’t seem to be putting up the numbers you would expect from someone who supposedly is so talented.

      • krob1000 says:

        Collberg may have benefitted more from playing with kids his own age and dominating a bit more. When a player is that small I am not sure it is suitable to play him with grown men unless getting prime minutes in a decent role with a high probablity of success…however, that is not a development league..the leagues over there are the best Sweden has and winnig is their objective./ A bigger bodied kid like De La rose who plays a two way game has IMO more to gain playing vs men early…..Collberg should still just be confidently carrying the puck and improving his skill at max speed and enhancing his skillset and ability to do so under pressure. He is a creative player who is trying to survive by playing safe in all likelihood…not exactly brainfood for the creative mind.

  20. Thomas Le Fan says:

    Hey! I said Bourque would pop one and he did! I scare myself. Not exactly a great game but a good result will have to do. I like Doug Murray. There I said that too. Go Habs!

    Hockey isn’t everything … it’s the only thing … except for beer and guitars!

  21. jimmy shaker says:

    Called it last night that although boods should’ve played this one…..I called for Price to get a shutout and he complied quite smartly infact. I also called for the leafs to lose to florida and for scott gomez to get the winning goal…..he did not get the winning goal, but did get an assist on the winning goal so good enough for me. And the boys still have a game in hand……..so all is nice in habville till thursday’s game where the battle for sochi begins and ends probably on the tenders ability to close the door. But maybe torts and MT play lack and boods and screw everything up, who knows! More pressure though on luongo in my book, because he is penciled in as the starter for babcock in sochi, so he’ll want to have a great game.

    shaker out!

    • Blondie says:

      Man, that would be hilarious if the backups played. It would be pandemonium in the media.

    • Phil C says:

      I heard Babcock on Hockey Central on Sportsnet yesterday, he said they will probably give one goalie a start in each of the first two games, then whoever starts the third game will have a chance to run the table. He also said you can probably get away with one more goalie change after the third game and still win. I expect Price and Luongo will get the first two games, so he’ll have a chance.

      • jimmy shaker says:

        Oh I didn’t here that, but that is good news……All I heard was from the selection interview that he wanted to hopefully use 1 tender and ride him. But I like your updated info, a lot more.

        Shaker out!

  22. gumper says:

    Should you really have to pay 7 mil for a player who’s averaging about 50 pts a season? What a bargain we have in MaxPac if that’s the case. I think Vanek’s stock is rising just because he’s about to become the best of a bad lot of free agents. I really hope MB stays away from this guy. It’s just way too much to pay for a player who will never be what I would call a star forward in this league. Looking at the list of available FAs this summer I would say the best route forward is still at the drafting table, though, like most, I’m really hoping Bergevin can get good value in return for Gionta and Borque, and perhaps Markov, even if it’s only in draft picks. Those who think DD and Briere are tradable assets are only fooling themselves.

    The rule is perfect: in all matters of opinion our adversaries are insane.
    Mark Twain

  23. Maritime Ronn says:

    Good morning

    Lots of love for Douglas Murray, yet where’s the love for the other warrior Josh Gorges?
    He also played the full 2 minutes of 3X5, recorded 1 more blocked shot than Murray, and only Subban logged more minutes than Gorges last night

    Along with Plex, he is the most underrated and under appreciated Hab
    Should he ever be the Habs captain? No, but that takes nothing away from his no fear and always honest play.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Fair point, but Gorges hasn’t continuously been referred to as a sloth that can’t play hockey as many here have done since his arrival. Even some of our longest standing jazzy posters here refuse to believe he has any merit. I think thus the reason, Murray is getting the lovin’ here.

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        Burli
        You can bet on this.
        He plays more hurt than anyone else. Times when a guy with regular pain tolerence would sit, he plays and never uses being nicked up as an excuse.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          I don’t think any Dman in the league takes more hits than Gorges, add in the blocked shots and it is amazing he doesn’t miss more games. I know many people here are annoyed at his rah rah talk on 24CH, but I am sure all of his teammates are aware of the pain he plays through.

          • Maritime Ronn says:

            Burli
            He doesn’t cheat like others that shall remain nameless both on the Habs and other teams.
            Have you ever seen him bail out and not take the hit in a race for the puck?
            Some others guys have that down to a science as they slow up and allow the opposing play to beat them to the puck then pretend to battle…

    • frontenac1 says:

      Agreed Amigo, Josh played a great game and he did receive the 2nd Star. Crankshaft played great too. Should have got the 3rd Star Imo.

    • Habfan17 says:

      Great point Gorges did an admirable job too! Given that the Habs have Beaulieu and soon Tinordi that play the left side, I would say Gorges may land the Habs a number 4, right handed defenceman, that is if Markov does not end up being moved. Having Emelin, Beaulieu, Tinordi and Drewiskie as the 7th man, would make for a solid left side. Subban and Pateryn on the 3rd pairing would be good, not sure Nygren or Dietz will be ready next season. Ellis is progressing better than I expected.

      Habfan17

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        17

        Gorges has played a lot of right side.
        Habs will keep him until they are convinced the younger guys can do what he does. Might still be a few years away

        • Habfan17 says:

          Hey MR, yes he has. I still believe having players play on their natural sides is more effective and creates less turn overs!
          You are probably right, I guess it will depend on the progress of the kids!

          Habfan17

  24. Ian Cobb says:

    Stuck in Toronto hotel in a snow storm, flying to the Dominican if we can get out tomorrow morning, useing their computor in the lobby.
    We watched the game last night at HOOTERS, what a HOOT.
    Our new 4th line played great min’s. but we ice the puck more than any team in history. And the turn overs is just incredable! Thank Gawd for Price.!

  25. JF says:

    Ryan White had a great game. He brings a lot of speed and grit and has improved enormously from last year, when he often went too far and took costly penalties. His return and the addition of Dale Weise have given us a good fourth line that can create some pressure in the offensive zone and do more than simply eat minutes. It was good to see him rewarded with a star.

  26. montreal ace says:

    I notice that Prust seems to be very good on face-offs, I would put him out for some draws in the last minute of a game

    • PureGuava says:

      He is incapable of passing with any shred of accuracy, and really holds Eller & Bouque back on that line. I’m with Boone – Chucky’s gotta take his place there.

      “Of course I’m crazy, but that doesn’t mean I’m wrong.”
      – Robert Anton Wilson

  27. theflower says:

    A win is a win is a win in my books, so I will take the two points and look for more confidence going forward. We can only hope. On the Diaz/Weise trade I think both teams will benefit and that’s a good thing. Regarding all this talk on Vanek, I have always been a irm believer in never buying a player 30 or older for any reason and more so if they are going to cost you, your youth, picks and lots of money. I think those deals are made by teams who think they need one piece to win the cup and are willing to part with some quality for a rental to get to the promised land. We are not that team. I hope that sensibilities are maintained and the plan to go forward still involves dumping some older players for picks and building our future from the draft forward. We have about 7 guys that we can trade for picks right now and with free agency looming it’s best to get something back for some of these players rather than resign them. I would however put DD at the top of list for trades as he is playing well and his value is rising and i really think he is not good enough to be a first line center and I think he does not fit in with long term plans of this team getting bigger. Let’s hope a few small guys get moved before the deadline. I do think Markov can get a good value in a trade right now and with all the horses on D in Hamilton ready to make the next step, we have to go forward with them for the future. Players like Tinordi, Pateryn and lately Morgan Ellis is showing real potential.

    Let’s win the last two before the Olympics and finish on a high note.

    On a personal note, I am looking forward to see how a real coach like Babcock uses PK. I think he will let him go unlike MT, but we shall see.

  28. careysubban3176 says:

    Besides for that 5 game stretch where they gave up 4 or more goals per game, the Habs are a team defensively that can go far in the playoffs but won’t go no where due to lack of scoring. They are one 80-90 point a year guy away from being a real contender. Hate to say this but maybe they should take a page out of the Leafs book and trade a Nathan Beaulieu and or Jarad Tinoridi for a guy like phil kessel etc. Trading Luke Schenn for Van Reimsdke was a really good move as Schenn has not been that great D-man everyone thought he’d be.

    Stop blaming the goaltender! He can only do so much.

  29. JF says:

    Another great game for Price and a solid defensive effort by the whole team. But exciting hockey it was not. Hermetic defence, no room to skate or pass, few scoring chances, no highlights.

    I’m confident this is not the kind of team Marc Bergevin is building, but it seems to be what we’re stuck with for now. Games in which we score more than one goal have lately become the exception rather than the rule. Unfortunately, the team just does not have much offensive talent, and whatever is coming through the pipeline is at least a couple of years away. I hope that when Galchenyuk returns, Therrien will reunite the EGG line and perhaps get Eller going.

    Douglas Murray fully demonstrated his value last night. I second Hablis’s excellent post farther down, in which he argues for the value of a Douglas Murray-type player in the playoffs, despite all the stats that show he’s a bad player.

  30. Phil C says:

    Some random observations from last night:

    – One of the best games I’ve seen Prust play offensively. Maybe he got a new stick, or his hair is growing back or something, because the puck was sticking to his stick all night;

    – It was nice to see Bourque stop at the net and he was rewarded for it. I wish he would move his feet more. He coasts way too much for a guy people pay money to watch;

    – Briere and Gionta had more chemistry together in that game than I’ve seen between Pleks and Gionta in two years. If they keep Briere on that line (BIG if), I can see Gionta’s production going up;

    – 4th line was awesome. Getting Weise and White back plugged two key holes in the roster. It’s amazing what a lift it can give a team when you have no passengers and have the right kind of player in each role;

    – Subban seems a bit lost right now which is too bad. He didn’t play poorly, just not great. He’ll be riding a lot of pine in Sochi at this rate.

    – Loved seeing the joy in White’s eyes going out for the 3rd star. These guys feel so much pressure, they never look like they’re having fun. Sometimes I think this “play 60 minutes” crap puts too much pressure on them. Hockey is a game of mistakes, it shouldn’t be a goal to play mistake free, especially if you are trying to make game changing plays. The intensity should be for 60 minutes, that I agree with.

  31. Habfan17 says:

    So far, I like the approach that Bergevin has taken, patient, small upgrades and short term holes filled while prospects develop.

    I am not enthralled with MT, but he is the coach so until he is gone, I will watch him play musical chairs with the players.

    Looking to the deadline, it will be fun to watch some GM’s blow their brains out for a rental, some stand pat when it looked like they may do something, and others sell and tweak their teams for the future.

    I would say, that as much as I am a fan/loyal to the players, I look at the team as a whole, and believe that if there are some trades Bergevin can make, selling off UFA’s or veterans that don’t fit his long term vision, then as long as he gets equal value that makes the team better long term, go for it.

    I don’t mind some short term pain if it means that the team will improve going forward. Having said that, if there are no good deals to be made, I am okay with standing pat and looking to the off season. I just don’t like when the previous regimes let UFA’s walk for nothing. Perhaps they could trade the rights in the off season for a pick if nothing else comes up!

    Habfan17

  32. aHabGrowsInBrooklyn says:

    Also agree with Dipsy: Calling Brière “girlfriend” or feminising players’ names, or referring to the Sedin “sisters” is childish beyond words. Shave your palms and join the 21st century, already in progress.

  33. JF says:

    That had to be the most boring game I’ve watched in a long time. In fact, I didn’t watch all of it, but kept switching to the Senators and Blues, a far more exciting game. Our game recalled the days of the dead puck and the neutral zone trap. Hermetic defence, no room to skate or pass, few scoring chances, no highlights.

    I’m confident this s not the kind of team Marc Bergevin is building, but it seems to be what we’re stuck with for now. Games in which we score more than one goal have recently become the exception, which leaves the team no choice but to focus on preventing goals. Hence last night’s scintillating spectacle.

    Unfortunately, there is nothing to suggest this will change any time soon, although the return of Galchenyuk should help a bit. Perhaps reuniting the EGG line would get Eller going.

    We can blame the coaching staff all we want, but we simply do not have a lot of offensive talent, and what we do have is streaky. Nor is there any immediate help on the way; Hamilton is as barren as the big club, and whatever is coming through the pipeline is at least a couple of years away. I’m hoping that after one more solid draft, Bergevin will feel that there is enough depth in the system to trade some of our prospects for a big scoring winger who can help the team now.

    Meanwhile, credit Price with another great game and the whole team with a solid defensive effort. Weise brings good speed, White was clearly glad to be back, and that line looked great. Murray’s work on the 5-on-3 demonstrated the value of a player like him, especially in the playoffs.

  34. aHabGrowsInBrooklyn says:

    Bourque didn’t score last night, per se. He was used as a deflector, which was why he was going to the net. The review to ascertain kicking motion was preposterous, as Bourque would have had to have some awareness and intent, which he clearly did not. Still happy for him, though. Maybe with this hot streak, Bergevin can trade him to Buffalo for Moulson. We need a LW who can score, not named Max.

  35. Blade says:

    Nice two points…we will take it. On a side note, just heard an interview with Scott Moore of Sportsnet (a Hab fan). He claims that wherever you live in Canada, the Habs will be on Saturday night on “free tv”. Time will tell….but that would be nice.

  36. aHabGrowsInBrooklyn says:

    Dipsy: Great point about Vanek and the Rags. They are always looking to add expensive players who will completely wither up and die in a blue shirt. Vanek fits the mold to a tee.

  37. third generation haber says:

    Not sure why Moen wasn’t playing, but against the tougher teams, I’d love to see, just for once, MT not choose a lineup which satisfies MB’s horrible contracts.

    For once, I’d like to see any combination of:

    Gally, Chucky, Larry, Bourque, Gio., Patches, Pleks, Bournival, Parros, White, Moen, and Prust.

    With Murray, Emellin, and Tinordi all on the D.

    Let DD and his girlfriend (Briere) sit.

    Players only play as tough as the company (line-mates) they keep.

    But sadly, I think the only way this would happen is if we were on the verge of being swept from a playoff series by a much tougher team.
    j.p. murray

  38. aHabGrowsInBrooklyn says:

    Diaz: 25’26” and +1 in the Nux 3-1 loss. One team’s trash is another team’s treasure.

    • Phil C says:

      He also led them in PP time and PK time. EOTP were arguing he was a top four defenseman, most here were arguing he was number 6 at best. I guess we were both wrong because Vancouver used him like a #1! Nice start for Diaz, I hope he has a good career, just not tomorrow night.

      • Habfan17 says:

        It was a nice night for Diaz and I hope he does well. With Beaulieu sticking and Nygren, Tinordi and possibly Pateryn coming, he was the odd man out.

        Now the fun begins! After the olympic break, and perhaps before, we will see some GM’s blow their brains out for a rental, some stand pat, and hopefully some make smart moves for the long term, with a some potential short term pain.

        I am a Habs fan first, so as much as the loyalty/fan in me says it would be nice to see Markov retire a Hab, I would say, that if the trade brings back equal value and makes the team stronger for the future, then go for it! There are core players and certain prospects that I would say are “untouchable” The rest, if the price is right! Let’s make a deal!!

        Habfan17

      • Cal says:

        Torts will burn him out before Bieksa gets back. Did you have a look at the rest of the Nucks D? No wonder he got a lot of minutes. Their cupboard is bare.

        • Phil C says:

          True, they are hurting right now. Regardless, Diaz rose to the challenge which makes him a valuable depth defensemen.

          I like the trade, Diaz didn’t fit anymore and needed a new contract, but he was also undervalued.

  39. Marcusman says:

    How about a huge round of applause for the Big Guy Murray!

    #6 played very well last night and in my opinion should of been the 2nd star not Georges…

    Having a healthy Ryan White back is a good thing for our heroes, the kid can fly, he totally sparked the 4th line ….if I was Therrien I’d leave the lines the way they were…Briere looked good with #14 and #21…now if we can only get Lars back into the groove….

  40. DipsyDoodler says:

    Re: a Vanek trade. Look at the last column here, deadline space:

    http://www.capgeek.com

    This is the max annual salary a team can add at the deadline.

    Only two contenders, NYR and Anaheim, could take on his $7.1 million annual salary.

    (We could too)

    There won’t necessarily be a crazy market for rentals this season. Of course he’d be a fit for the Rangers who would surely re-sign him.

  41. Walmyr says:

    Hello boys and girls…

    About our Montreal Canadiens after this Diaz/Weise trade my feeling is…”I’m cautiously optimistic”.

    I think it was a smart trade between VAN and MON. Everybody won in this trade…players and the franchises.

    I hope Diaz have some good years in NHL. He is a good player and will have the opportunity to show that.

    Weise?…to soon to do my (not so good or reliable) evaluation. I am reading what you guys have to say about him and I’m OK with that. He played a good first game (against a not so good team in a not so entertainment game). The speed of this 4th line is nice.

    Hope to watch another victory tomorrow.
    Hope to watch Bourque score another goal tomorrow.
    Hope to watch the same roster playing.
    Hope to you all have a good day.

    Cheers

    • RetroMikey says:

      Anytime you can get a North American bred player who is over 6’2″ on your team and plays hard with grit with some skill, that’s an added bonus.
      We need more Bergy, we need more!
      Hopefully, we will see some blockbuster trades in trading Gionta, Briere, Markov, Plekanec to name a few for these type of players or prospects.
      If Bergy stands pat, we know we have another 3, 4, 5, or even 6 years of misery for this club.
      A W last night, hopefully the scouts at the Bell Centre will negotiate with Bergy knowing some of the Habs players are worth something for their clubs.
      Love the 4th line, hope Therrien keeps it intact, what a gritty line with speed and some skill which you need to build a team on!
      Eller, is there anyone else here who believes the guy is not playing to his potential?
      I believe nothing more than a 3rd line centre in the NHL, huge disappointment this year for him.

      “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

      • Humungosaur says:

        Retromikey, I agree with you about Eller. I’ve been a huge fan of his since his 4 goal game, but really haven’t seen much I liked except for a bit at the beginning of the season (or was it last season). He can always be counted on for an offside, a wild shot toward the net, or a really bonehead play like covering the puck with his hand. The second time was last night. I think he would fetch a draft pick at best.

        I disagree with you about the “North American bred” player. Why limit yourself, unless there is something non hockey related that bothers you about non-North American players.

  42. CJ says:

    Good morning folks.

    Two points in the bank. Maybe not one for the PVR vault, but I’m not necessarily a fan of sloppy hockey either. Calgary plays a very tight game. Given their current personnel, it is the only system that would provide a consistent recipe for success. I expect the boys to keep rolling and take advantage of a short handed Canucks team on Thursday night.

    As much as I think trading our UFA’s will help in the long run, I can never cheer against the team. I understand that winning will mitigate the chance of moving our UFA’s for younger talent, but I trust that Bergevin will make the best move for the organization. It’s not blind faith, but the leadership team understands the game much better then I do.

    I thought White had a significant impact last night. To his credit, Therien recognized this contribution and gave the fourth line the ice time they had earned. With few exceptions, the fourth line played the majority of the game in the offensive zone, a great sign.

    Killing the 5-3 was key. It is worrisome that Eller would take that penalty, but the kid seems to lack any confidence right now. In the interest of all involved, perhaps the coaching staff might subscribe the Galley tonic. It seems to have gotten others going and could jump start Lars.

    Lastly, I watch a lot of hockey. An unhealthy amount truthfully. IMO, Price is simply without peer right now. His play leading up to Sochi has been outstanding.

  43. montreal ace says:

    Great pic of Prust being happy for Bourque, the kind of guy teams need. I like Bourque, so I am glad one went in for him, he has had a few bad calls go against him. The team needed a win and got one, the new guy played well and were up in the standings, coffee is good this morning.

  44. HardHabits says:

    I certainly don’t miss the days of Weber as the 7th D playing on the 4th line.

  45. Is MT going to keep same lines for next game? I know the scoring is not there. Something has to give for the top 3 lines to start producing soon. A few players move for a decent scorer who shows net presence on every shift when on ice would be a great asset right now.

    Habs need to move two out three players in Brian Gionta, David Desharnais & Daniel Briere to add more size up front. With these moves one has to believe the scoring will come in bunches with right line combinations. Looking forward to some feedback. Thoughts?

    • Cal says:

      Gionta is the only one on your list that will be moved. MB will not trade Brière nor DD, simply because they are recent signings and it would be tantamount to admitting a mistake.
      However, in last couple games, Pleks, Brière and Gionta have shown some chemistry.
      The only available scorer is Vanek. The Sabres will move him only to a contender for a couple picks. Right now, that ain’t the Habs.

  46. habs-hampton says:

    Ugly win, and Ugly wining goal….

    But, I hope MT shows the team the winning goal a hundred times today. That’s how goals are scored in the NHL!!! You don’t score with shots from the half-boards. And when you’re standing 40 feet from the net, nothing is going to bounce of your shin-pad into the net!

  47. Just wondering? What would it take to land Thomas Vanek? Just throwing this out there? I know TV will be a UFA at season end. Has MB approached GS on a possible trade? Here’s my wishful thinking?

    How about Brian Gionta & Daniel Briere for TV. I know this is way of course here. Garth Snow is going to lose TV at trade deadline. Wonder if BG & DB lift their NTC if this was to happen? lol!! Definitely dreaming here though!! Thoughts?

    • HabinBurlington says:

      The purpose behind the Islanders trading Vanek is to improve their club long term. They gave up a younger Moulson and a first round pick to acquire Vanek. Why in the world would they trade him for 2 underachieving older small players? Okay granted this is the Islanders…..

      But seriously Garth Snow will be looking for things like 1st round pick, bluechip prospects and or very good young roster player.

      Gionta will only have value to a team looking to make a long playoff run who need help at the forward position.

      To give all that up from our stockpile for a guy who will sign wherever he wants this summer just isn’t logical, given that Vanek alone does not make our team a legitimate contender.

      • Yes, Well said. Just looking at freeing up some Cap Space for next season or maybe another move at trade deadline that MB could use. TV is not afraid to go to the net and stay there. Hoping for the Habs to find another John LeClair type of player. Not worried if TV leaves for another team next season.

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      Also what would Vanek get offered next year? Starting bids at $6M/yr for 6 years?

    • Not worth it. The Isles gave up a 1st to get him, and would want a first in return. Add to that, the Habs learned their lesson with Gomez, Gionta and Cammalleri. Bringing in high priced talent doesn’t work for the future. Mind you those three mentioned cost the Habs nothing and in the end got us Fucale.

      These guys over 30 scare the bejesus out of me, you don’t know if you’re gonna get a hockey player, or an accountant.

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    • Old Bald Bird says:

      Wasn’t it said on CTV last night that he is demanding $50mil over 7 years?

    • JUST ME says:

      I sure hope that mister Bergevin is in the conversation on this and the Moulson case. I think we should consider most demands…we need changes and bold moves must be made to get quality assets.

      There is a limit though to what we should go for. Like Vanek should not be taken as a rental cause then ,the risk would be too great we already are a bit weak in some spots and i doubt that they would want our garbages for a player like that.
      I know that those players won`t come cheap either but i`d rather gamble on this than pay 3 millions on Diaz…

  48. Habfan10912 says:

    Good morning friends. Another snoozefest last night, eh? In watching other games last night we can take comfort in knowing that our game was not the only snoozer. A few 2-1, 1-0 thrillers as well. The hooks, holds and obstruction have returned with all their glory. Yuck, right?

    A couple a my observations:

    For those that still think Diaz should have been playing instead of Murray please see the 2 minutes of 5 on 3. Case closed.

    I’m pretty sure that the following words have never slipped from my keyboard but Bourque had himself one heck of a game. He must have really hated being traded from the Flames. I wish we would see more of this Bourque.

    CHeers all!

    • Morning Jimmy, I’ve got nothing good to say about this team.

      They have all the tools to play good hockey, yet they don’t. There is only one reason for this.

      Jets win again, I just don’t get it. They were a bunch of third line grinders and now they could make the playoffs. ;) Good for them, and their fans. Nothing worse than fans being treated to less than mediocre hockey, especially the fans who pay to watch fast paced exciting hockey.

      Did you hear the Bell last night? I could have sworn we were watching a game in NJ. Sad times, sad times.

      Shane Oliver
      Twitter @Sholi2000
      http://www.Sholi2000.com
      Custom Sports Figures
      Summit Member 29.31.1.20.33

      • Habfan10912 says:

        Hard on the eyes, huh buddy. Still, I’ll take the 2 points and run.

        • I find myself not watching to see if they’ll win, but rather if they’ll play. When you stop getting excited while they’re still in a playoff position that’s not good. The season they tanked I stopped caring the day they were eliminated form the race.

          I hope Bergevin can work magic and maybe maybe somehow make this a convincing team in 2-3 years and not 5. The fans deserve better.

          Shane Oliver
          Twitter @Sholi2000
          http://www.Sholi2000.com
          Custom Sports Figures
          Summit Member 29.31.1.20.33

          • Cal says:

            I 100% agree. Head coaches tend to forget that they are supposed to be entertaining, especially if their team is not really competitive. Habs show signs of being competitive, then fall back into the habits of clutch and grab and clog and chip hockey. They may eke out a couple wins this way, but they lose a lot of fans tuning in to see what the fuss is about.

    • Cal says:

      The one thing I took from the game last night was that the team fought back all night. Both sides were clutching and grabbing and hitting, making for only rare scoring chances.
      The line of Prust, Eller and Bourque seems to work, so I kind of expect MT to break them up.

  49. habsfan0 says:

    While Habs goal scoring is anemic, by beating Calgary,Vancouver,and Carolina heading into Olympic break on a 3 game winning streak might alleviate the pressure on MB to do anything major in regards to a trade or two.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      I think you’re probably right but if I were MB I’d still be looking to deal some of our upcoming UFA’s. This team as currently assembled is not going to win a cup minus a miracle so he really should stick to his plan. Should be interesting to see how this plays out, huh?

  50. HabinBurlington says:

    Morning folks, yup we still struggle offensively but didn’t give up too many glorious chances.

    Best thing about what Weise brings? Enough skill to complete a 4th line that can be rolled out throughout the game. Thus providing balance and preventing the team from overtaxing other forwards to play too many minutes which leads to tired play, breakdowns and goals from the opposition.

    I have no big expectations from Weise except what I saw last night, and if that is what we continue to get, then the team has been improved.

    CHeers everyone!

    • Habfan17 says:

      I agree. Wiese looked pretty good, especially for his first game. I see the potential for 3rd line duty, at least as a fill in. I don’t recall who posted the link after the trade, the article noted that Weise was used primarily in the defensive zone to get the puck out.
      With his speed, maybe he will make a solid PK member. It takes all kinds of players and roles to win!

      Habfan17

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Morning bud. After all we are a grinding team and we should get use to it. Weise helps in that department as well. A good physical 4th liner. I really liked White last night as well. Especially during the morning skate. :)

  51. GL says:

    Well what you saw last night. Get ready for more of the same tomorrow night against Vancouver. Habs have problems scoring and Vancouver aren’t much better. Price will have to be good again to win this one. Maybe the 4th line will come through this time. They looked pretty good last night. Oh I forgot. MT will probably make changes…

  52. naweed235 says:

    With all due respect Mr. Boone, the following is false: “On two earlier opportunities, however, it was futility as usual for Canadiens. With opposing penalty-killers pressuring Andrei Markov and P.K. Subban, the Canadiens have yet to come up with any down-low scoring threats.” The only P.P. the Habs were awarded was at the very end of the game. The other 2 Calgary penalties were offset by Plekanec’ 4 minute penalty and it lead to a 5 on 5.

  53. jrs10069 says:

    I thought it was a good game, habs had many chances, need to start getting a little more puck luck and they beat the Jets and smoke Calgary.

    4th line looked tight and it does seem to me that Briere and Gionta are playing better too. Didn’t need to see the Pleks of years past taking too many penalties, hope that was an anomaly.

    If only Mr Deharnais would shoot the f’n puck when there is an actual goalie in the crease, his pass first and only causes problems. He shoots more and we all score more.

    Didn’t notice PK until late in the game which is a good thing, doesn’t always need to be flashing around.

    I would still trade eller when Galc comes back, any chance we could grab Stewart for him and a prospect?

    jrs10069

  54. slyCH says:

    UCE;

    My visits have been sporadic since HIO was taken over by a gang of trolls and one-track-minded posters. I wish the moderators would be more active in bouncing new members who come on and obviously just want to wreck things, instead of participate in a conversation with other Hab fans. I maintain that new members should be on super-duper probation for a couple of months. If they’re ruining the party, they’re shown the door.

    Moi;
    I took a sabbatical from the site simply to reload, first no post, then no visits, no reads, no mind. I stayed away to the point I deleted HIO app from my phone a few weeks ago, I needed to reload because I was spiraling downwards “comments wise”… I’ve never been the most insightful poster to begin with, but I’ve always did my best to be who I was, aloof for the most part, out of left field in the best way, but a fan of the team…yet I failed miserably in the last gung-ho tries, so, in my mind, it was time to split the site.

    I’m not sold on the resurrection until I see a semblance of the old… UCE, BILL, and whatnot from the old guard.

    To be continued.

    • SUMO says:

      Welcome Back slyCH. Don’t let the trolls get you down. Contribute and have your say.

      I suspect some of the wankers in here are from the EOTP site trying to sabotage and downgrade the discussions in HIO. By attacking honest discussion or debate it turns people off from writing. Which is what they want. My run ins with some of the senior contributors at EOTP lead me to believe they are not above such tactics.

      Seriously, if some guys believe they are so much smarter than the rest of us or have all the answers about Hockey, why are they not already working for an NHL team? Why all the condescending comments and profanity? Just a bunch of frustrated wannabes.

    • The Jackal says:

      You’ve read my mind!

      I agree with you and others that there have been many provocative, trollish posts as of late. Unfortunately, from the past year or so, many regular posters have stopped posting so regularly or just altogether, and some have posited that the reason is the influx of troll-like posts or that the latter phenomenon is due to the void left by regulars.

      Either way, it’s undeniable that HIO has fallen victim to it’s popularity, with many new members over the years – while good, it also has its dark side in the form of trolling or knee-jerk comments that are not really thoughtful and ultimately repetitive.

      Not to say that people are not allowed to come on air and air their grievances, but the thing about HIO is that is has always been a place for thoughtful discussion, and it has been the best site for Habs discussion. Of late, this discussion has suffered because of obnoxious posts that are characteristic of internet commentary in general, and I think we are worse off from that.

      The best way to work against that is just to keep posting and stay level-headed, ignoring provocative content and voicing your opinion in a measured manner. I realize this may sound pretentious, but what sly is saying and I am repeating is something that has been voiced before. I think there is a place for all kinds of fans here, but it is important to be thoughtful rather than rash.

      ______________________
      Hockey sine stercore tauri.

      • slyCH says:

        The best way to work against that is just to keep posting and stay level-headed, ignoring provocative content and voicing your opinion in a measured manner. I realize this may sound pretentious, but what sly is saying and I am repeating is something that has been voiced before. I think there is a place for all kinds of fans here, but it is important to be thoughtful rather than rash.

        _______________That says it all. Very eloquent. Sir. Thank you.

        • JUST ME says:

          Still there should be more moderation cause personnal attacks are more and more frequent and like in the Therrien saga, things have been written on him that would stand in court ! If some fool wants to express his insanity at least there should be someone there to remove his foul language and uncalled accusations.
          I will not make a case about it but generally i am fed up about the french issue. I am french and although i agree that language has nothing to do with hockey and hockey skills i do take it personnaly sometimes to be attacked as someone of an other race would feel offended. Again HIO should moderate sometimes…

    • Habfan17 says:

      I respect your opinion, and will disagree. I think all posters veteran and new should be held accountable for using bad language and making things personal. I have been posting for about a year and I have been belittled for my opinions, which were not mean spirited, by some of the posters you mention that you want to see back posting. I have also had great conversations with most folks on here.

      We should not censor opinions, just bad language and personal attacks. This is open to family and younger posters. It should not be restricted to new members. I would add, just because someone has an opinion that differs from yours, they are not “trolls” as you put it, which in and of itself is offensive and unnecessary.

      None of us are experts, or we would be employed in the hockey business. We all have opinions and should feel safe to post them on here without fear of personal attack!

      Habfan17

    • JUST ME says:

      I want to welcome you back and want to let you know that you are not alone to need an HIO break here and then for negativity overload. We all know who we are talking about, can read their agenda with their past comments and do not feel that they add anything to the conversation.
      One thing that i did notice that changed is that in Boone`s comments or Stu`s or whoever is writing, there is always a touch of negativity or sarcasm to start the fire wich was not the case before. I think HIO enjoys negativity in it`s own way cause it brings more clicks…

      If it was me ,i would moderate like hell but i know i would be tagged ad a blind fan that is satisfied with mediocrity and the usual stuff but so what ! I haven`t found such a place for what i call real fans so i guess that this is normal even though i just do not need negativity in my life. At one point i understood that i could control part of that in my life so this is why i do turn off HIO and other places whenever it`s needed.

  55. NL Hab says:

    Good team win by the Habs. Like Boone said earlier, the fenwick/corsi losers can do up all the numbers they want to show how bad Doug Murray, but I love this guy and his strength. No way Diaz can do what he does on that 5 on 3. Very impressive. Come playoff time, this is the guy you want over Diaz.

    I loved the 4th line tonight. Weise is an interesting player. Very fast skater who can make things difficult for the opposing teams D. He is strong on the puck and White and Bournival compliment him very well. Love the speed and energy. I was watching some of his fights earlier tonight, he is a tough cookie. Great pickup by Bergevin.

    Et Le But

    • Habfan17 says:

      I am not a Fenwick/Corsi guy. For me, there are too many intangibles that are not captured by these stats. I prefer the good old fashioned, watch the game and see for yourself approach.

      For instance, last night, DD was set up with a great pass, and instead of taking a quick shot, he decided to make a low percentage pass. He may still have a good Fenwick/Corsi, what it won’t show is how much better it could be if he won more face offs or shot instead of passing when he had the chance. I am not picking on DD, that particular play is stuck in my mind. One of the doing to much and being to cute the Habs forwards seem to be doing lately. They may score more if they stopped trying for the pretty plays. They need more plays like on the Bourque goal! In my humble opinion.

      Habfan17

  56. HABSnEXPOS says:

    • I don’t know what Boone is talking about that he likes what he sees from Briere on The Pleks line.
    • Your never Going to win anything significant with DD Briere Eller Plekanecs Bourque Gionta Moen LL Bournival being your point getting forwards.
    • Whats the point of Signing Markov on your team for the next 3-5years if the above names mentioned are still on your team and are one year Older, Slower and still can’t score .

    It’s not a bad thing if you trade away aging talent. Cammalleri turned into Fucale. Cole Turned into Conner Crisp. Kostitsyn turned into Jacob De La Rose.

    • Savardian Spin-o-rama says:

      Fucale, Crisp, De La Rose…they haven’t done squat for the CH yet. But I get your point. Renewal is a good thing just be careful not to count your chickens (or your prospects) before they hatch.

    • boing007 says:

      For the time being, none of those players mentionned play for the Habs.

      Richard R

    • HabsUser says:

      In your list of players who are “never going to win anything significant”, perhaps you don’t remember Travis Moens Stanley Cup winning goal. Trading away established players for kids that might make the NHL is not exactly how this league works. Yes draft picks are important, but there needs to be chemistry for a team to succeed. Not a bunch of children without any mentors.

  57. Un Canadien errant says:

    I kept this one in my back pocket for a long time, but now that Messrs. Diaz and Weber are no longer on the roster, here goes:

    The Kids in the Hall with their impression of some of our crustier posters.

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    … you know, because there’s no way hundreds of overcompetitive stars with massive egos would ever cheat to gain an edge with hundreds of millions of dollars at stake.–Bill Simmons

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  58. yukonhab says:

    Only fair not to judge Weiss too early…in his interview he says he confident in his skills…so

    Give him a break and let’s see where he goes from here. Good intensity from Bourne and Whitey and Weiss “guy”.

    Price 31

  59. Harditya says:

    There was nothing to be excited about today from the top lines. The Habs’ 2.39 goals per game average is an absolute worst since the 99/2000 season. That is pretty pathetic, stats aside it’s becoming painfully obvious that this team has no flow or creativity in the offensive zone (apart from Gally working his butt off and Subban). None of this can be turned around in just one season, so difficult moves have to be made (I realize not all of it can be done in one deadline, this isn’t NHL 14). This team can only win games by “grinding” yet they can’t sustain that type of play against teams like St. Louis or even Toronto.

  60. Un Canadien errant says:

    Hopefully René Bourque has ended his slump and will start producing again. He’s been trying hard, within his usual limits, and hasn’t been lucky. Tonight he got a garbage goal, let’s hope he’s going to start getting some bounces. And I still think he should be on the right wing with David Desharnais, giving him two options to pass the puck.

    ———————————————————————–
    … you know, because there’s no way hundreds of overcompetitive stars with massive egos would ever cheat to gain an edge with hundreds of millions of dollars at stake.–Bill Simmons

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • The Jackal says:

      Agreed.
      Then put reunite the EGG line and leave Briere with Pleks and Gio.
      Fourth line can be White and Prust then Moen/Weise/Parros or whoever is left after MB makes moves, because he will undoubtedly have to, too many forwards.

      ______________________
      Hockey sine stercore tauri.

  61. Habilis says:

    I’m not a huge fan of the term “warrior” in reference to an athlete. But I can’t think of anything better to describe what Douglas Murray did on that 5 on 3 other than maybe “horse-like”. That shot he blocked with a minute left was a bullet, and he literally just shrugged it off while in full stride, like a horse would. Five seconds after it happened, he was knocking someone over in the crease. It was pretty impressive.

    Stats say that Diaz is a better player than Murray and so people flipped out yesterday. But can one person who disliked the trade honestly say that Raphael Diaz could have taken Douglas Murray’s place for even 10 seconds of that 5 on 3?

    Stats are never, ever going to favor Douglas Murray. He’s slow, his offense is basically non-existent and he plays on the PK more than anyone. He’s basically bred to be a negative player in every category. But he can smash anyone, he blocks everything he gets near and he is able to pin the puck against the boards for hours at a time. You need someone who can do those things if you want to win tight games. A lot of playoff games are tight games. Just saying.

    There is a place for a Douglas Murray on a good NHL team. Of course there is a place for a Diaz, but we Have P.K., Markov and now Beaulieu who are all better than Diaz in that same mold. Who do we have in the Douglas Murray mold who is better than Douglas Murray right now? P.K. could be if he was asked to, I don’t doubt it, but we need him scoring anyhow. Emelin will be, but he just isn’t right now, still needs time. Tinordi will be, but he isn’t ready yet.

    All that to say: To this team, Diaz is/was expendable. Murray is not.

  62. Un Canadien errant says:

    I’ve said my piece about Dale Weise, and I certainly don’t want to hammer the guy, he’s actually a decent player and a good teammate. I do want to caution the membership to not be seduced by all those chances which he came ‘so close’ to converting. It’s not like he was unlucky tonight and the bounces will go his way the next game, tonight’s showing was par for the course.

    Dale is fast and quick and fearless, he’ll buzz around the opposition net and lots of passes and rebounds will slide off his blade or go off his shaft off the post and off his chin, and he’ll fan on one-timers with a gaping net and just miss on that backhand and have a clean look at the net and bury the puck…

    … in the netminders glove. He’ll find that mesh no problem.

    So, again, appreciate Dale for who he is, a player who gives our fourth line a bit of a surge compared to a disinterested Travis Moen, or a willing but unable George Parros. That’s what he’ll bring, some quality minutes with effort, lots of heat, but very little (red) light.

    ———————————————————————–
    … you know, because there’s no way hundreds of overcompetitive stars with massive egos would ever cheat to gain an edge with hundreds of millions of dollars at stake.–Bill Simmons

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • Habilis says:

      So basically just a big, really fast guy with no hands whatsoever?

      Are we sure he’s not related to Moen?

    • Marc10 says:

      So basically we’re looking at Pyatt with a bit more size. That’s OK… Just as long as his two linemates turn into Dominic Moore and Max Lapierre for our post-season date against the Pens… I can live with that.

    • SteverenO says:

      I usually agree with most everything you post UCE, but with ALL due respect, I am afraid that I find your comments to be way out on a limb here.

      You claim that you don:t want to hammer the guy, yet , you strongly downplay his natural talent as if he got to the NHL only because his Dad is the GM,

      Why do you feel that Weise must be the one to do all the scoring on his line, anyway?

      If his presence on the line leads to the 4th ( or perhaps third) line scoring goals frequently than they do now… would that not suffice?

      Are you inferring that there are a large contingent of other players on the current roster that will buzz around the opposition net OR that don”t often have lots of passes and rebounds slide off their blade or go off their shaft, off the post and off their chin, and will fan on one-timers with a gaping net and just miss on that backhand and have a clean look at the net and NOT bury the puck…

      Why is Gallagher “hailed” as a warrior and our most effective forward for doing exactly what you claim that Weise does? Hasn”t every single poster complained about having a group of wingers (other than Gallagher) who shy away from the dirty areas?

      Do you honestly prefer the production of a Rene Bourque with his 7 goals 2 Assists and his weak 8% shot percentage, with one goal scored by his team for every 46 minutes of ES ice time over Weise’s production of 3 goals 9 assists and his team scoring a goal every 26 minutes while he is on ice?

      Something is not meshing for me.. care to explain?

      Those fans who swallow the media “mantra” of this team”s biggest weakness being not having enough size, should perhaps recognize that to win in this league you MUST have an abundance of speed, throughout the lineup. A team with average or less than average size especially need better than average speed.

      Calgary has been winning lately because of they pace at which they play. From what I saw of Mr. Weise, he has plenty of speed, but he needs to get into better shape to be able to play at this top speed and be effective.

      It may be due to the turmoil and surrounding the trade, and the change of time zone, but I believe that what we saw today was but a fraction of what this player can produce when at the top of his game.

      Torterella was unable to get the most out of this asset, the question is whether Therrien will be a positive or negative in this young player’s development.

      There are no shortage of passengers that deserve criticism on this Habs “ship”, that I see no good reason to throw this enthusiastic, aggressive, larger bodied, and speedy player, under the bus without so much as giving him time to unpack his suitcase.

      Bring on the ‘Nuks! and their pathetic powerplay! This may be one of the games where Therrien is the better of the two coaches

      PS; Moen has a Shot to goal percentage of 2%, Bourque is 8% and Weise”s is 10%.

      regards,

      Steve O.

      http://www.hockeydata-central.com/blog/

      • Habfan17 says:

        I would agree with you SteverenO, Weise did not put up points in other leagues and at other levels as a total fluke. Not that many!
        I see him, if given the chance as being a 3rd line right wing. Not adding a ton of points but opening things up for his line mates and going hard to the net. I may be wrong, it is only my opinion, but I am willing to see before I change my opinion.

        I said this after the trade and many here were condemning the trade and Weise. Give the guy a break and a chance to get used to his new team. I doubt many of us knew much about him before now.

        Habfan17

  63. yukonhab says:

    Here’s hoping! Someone’s gotta go with AG27 coming back

    Price 31

  64. Feraco says:

    What happens to all these forwards?

  65. Timo says:

    I predict that Bergevin won’t make this team better before deadline. Maybe another minor move like yesterday but that’s about it. Nothing to address the scoring woes this team is facing.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      I second that. He’ll stand pat, not take on rentals at the deadline. He’ll have to move some bodies when injured players come back to the roster, so there will be minor moves like the Raphaël Diaz trade, but no Bobby Ryan-type trades.

  66. J.Ambrose.OBrien says:

    LOVE Charlie Pierce!

    I remember Dec. 31, 1975

  67. yukonhab says:

    Fourth for the North!
    Price 31

  68. FANHABULOUS says:

    Turd star?!!

    ____________________________________
    “You will not regret picking me” – PK Subban.

  69. vlhorowitz says:

    TRADE EVERYONE!

    GO HABS GO!!!

  70. slyCH says:

    The team play makes me want to throw my red seat from the forum into the ocean. The seat with my own ailing mother’s name on the certificate. Yeah. It’s not the 70’s Habs anymore. But yet…

  71. twilighthours says:

    Let’s leave it alone on the EOTP stuff, eh? I’m no fan of the site and generally dislike their internet-tough guyism over there, but us ripping them all the time makes us look like petulant children.

  72. Lafleurguy says:

    Mornin’ twi. Guiding advice. Gotta shovel snow before work. Today is a “smile” day in a not-yet-lost-season. Cheers.

    “Bends but won’t break”

  73. twilighthours says:

    Good morning, Andrew (we share a name).

    Our snow is coming later. I actually enjoy shovelling (and skiing even more)

  74. Mattyleg says:

    No, any one of us wouldn’t.
    Some people have a properly-aligned moral compass.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  75. habstrinifan says:

    Geez!

    Should I expect you to next walk on water or do you have to author a few parables first?

  76. Phil C says:

    You think its immoral to let the rich owners keep the money instead of agents fighting for every dime? I think society would be better off as a whole if all businesses were forced to split their revenues with their employees like the NHL does.

    Player agents are like lawyers. Everyone hates them until you need one.

  77. Mattyleg says:

    Don’t want to get my sandals damp, y’know?
    ;)

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  78. Mattyleg says:

    I just don’t like the idea of people profiting off the success of others while doing very little to contribute to that success.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—


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