About last night …


Did someone forget to tell the players this was an Optimum game?
Ten of the 41 regular-season games your Montreal Canadiens play at the Bell Centre are classified as Optimum.
That means fans pay a premium for their tickets.
A ticket in the Platinum section, down near ice level, costs $253 for a regular game.
The price rises to $418 for an Optimum game.
Way up in the Greys, at the top of the Bell Centre, tickets for a regular game are $51, rising to $85 for Optimum.
That’s a lot of money – especially to watch a Canadiens team whose effort was less than optimal.

The fans in the “cheap” seats stuck it out until the siren sounded on the Canadiens’ 5-0 loss to Washington.

Down in the lower bowl , Red seats – $338 for Optimum, $205 for a regular game – began to empty halfway through the third period.

In his postgame press conference, Michel Therrien indicated his team would not spend much time studying video of their miserable performance.

“That’s a DVD you throw in the garbage,” the coach said. Every team plays bad games, Therrien added.

“What’s important is how you react to adversity.”

Fans reacted by either deserting the Bell Centre or showering the home team with boos, catcalls and sarcastic applause for shots on goal – of which the Canadiens managed NINE through 40 minutes and 21 on the game.

Do the math: The swells in Platinum seats paid $20 for each shot they saw. It was cheaper in the Greys: $4 a shot … and $13 a beer, but I digress.

What a disgraceful performance by the home team.

I’ll repeat a few stats from the Live Blog post:

The Canadiens didn’t record a shot on Braden Holtby until the game was seven minutes old. They had three in the first period, to 12 for Washington. During the second period, the visitors scored four goals and chased Carey Price to the bench before Daniel Brière recorded the first of six Canadiens’ shots.

Shot totals are an indicator, but they don’t convey the full extent of Washington’s domination. As has been the case with a succession of opponents during the Canadiens’ recent swoon, the Capitals cleared the puck from their end, cruised through the neutral zone, gained the Canadiens’ blueline with ease and tossed the puck around the attacking area like the Harlem Globetrotters on skates, setting up wide-open, high-percentage shots they sent whizzing toward Carey Price.

Pittsburgh inflicted similar carnage en route to a 5-1 win on Wednesday. Detroit, minus Pavel Datsyuk, beat the Canadiens easily on Friday night.

But this was the worst.

Riding a seven-game losing streak into the Bell Centre, Washington embarrassed the Canadiens in front of fans who hadn’t seen their team in 11 days and were paying a premium to watch Alexander Ovechkin’s only regular-season visit to Montreal.

In my game blog, I suggested there were only two possible explanations for how poorly the Canadiens had played.

They are either a very bad hockey team that will vie with Buffalo, Edmonton and Calgary for the top draft choice in June. 

Or they’ve quit on Therrien.

At the risk of having a significant proportion of the Commentariat descend on my humble suburban townhouse with torches and pitchforks, I find myself tending toward the first explanation.

In contemplating life after MT, ask youself these questions:

• Would a new coach make Brian Gionta five years younger?

• Would he give Andrei Markov new knees?

• Could he transform Daniel Brière into an adequate even-strength player?

• Would a change behind the bench transform Josh Gorges into a legitimate Top 4 defenceman? Or change Douglas Murray and Francis Bouillon into viable Top 6’s?

• Would the new coach have the surgical skill to make David Desharnais four inches taller? Could he transplant Brendan Gallagher’s heart into Rene Bourque and his gonads onto Max Pacioretty?

Don’t get me wrong.

I’m no fan of Michel Therrien. I think he’s a poor in-game tactician who relies too much on veterans and has done little to speed the development of Lars Eller and Alex Galchenyuk.

At least Nathan Beaulieu is getting a decent shot. But that’s because the D is in such disarray Pavel Valentenko would get a decent shot.

This team is not a Cup contender. But are the Canadiens as bad as they’ve looked … well, pretty much since the November winning streak?

That’s what Marc Bergevin, possibly in consultation with Geoff Molson, will be asking himself  on Sunday.

Fearless prediction: Despite rumblings in the city that are reaching a crescendo, I don’t think Therrien is about to be fired.

But if Kirk Muller’s Carolina Hurricanes inflict another home-ice thumping on the Canadiens Tuesday night …

•  •  •

Let the gallows humour begin:

What floats even when the water beneath is frozen solid?

The Montreal Canadiens.





  1. Da Hema, 26 January, 2014


  2. JohnBellyful, 26 January, 2014

    Suckin’! (in tribute to the Habs’ efforts)

  3. Da Hema, 26 January, 2014

    That was a dreadful display tonight.

  4. JohnBellyful, 26 January, 2014

    I know, I know. I’ve done better posts.
    The team looked bad, too.

  5. The Gumper, 26 January, 2014

    If MT is not fired by noon tomorrow, I’m handing in my secret decoder ring. That was a disgrace to the uniform….

  6. GL, 26 January, 2014

    Not to completely ruin your weekend. Tuesday is gonna be another bummer against Carolina. Maybe we’ll see the end of MT hope he takes some of the deadwood with him.

  7. temekuhabs, 26 January, 2014

    No sense sugar coating it
    This is a bad team
    Trade who you can for picks ( keep Gallagher, Larry, Galchenyuk)
    Say adios to the Captain, Vodkov, Bourque,
    Lottery pick!!!

  8. Storman, 26 January, 2014

    ALN A) About Last Night,, B) Another Long Night,, C) Another Loss Nincompoops

  9. Habfun, 26 January, 2014

    I feel sick to my stomach! but at least I will hit the toilet!!

    It\’s all about the CH

  10. Storman, 26 January, 2014

    Be careful not too Gionta it wide

  11. Da Hema, 26 January, 2014

    One of the greatest mysteries — one no doubt that will pique the interest of philosophers and theologians for centuries to come — is how the Canadiens actually defeated the Chicago Blackhawks this season.

  12. HabinSquamish, 26 January, 2014

    I was hoping for a year long strike to get me off of the Habs. Didn’t happen. I thought Betman would. Didn’t happen. My 4 year old son was using my iPhone to watch a movie on the way home from Whistler and I keep hearing “ping” which is an alert that “someone” in the Habs game scored. I get home and it’s 4-0 Washington, I think this may have done it…

  13. CH Marshall, 26 January, 2014

    I’m sure Molson sent MB a few cryptic text messages tonight.

    And Boones right on all fronts, it’s a combo of EVERYTHING. Even if we had the greatest coaching, we are still too small.

    Even if we had the best team, this coach is not able to adapt mid game and OUT-THINK and OUT-STRATEGIZE the opposing bench. Really I wouldnt want Therrien to be my general. A man who tries to discipline PK instead of figuring out how best to maximize him as a weapon. I still don’t know why he hasn’t even tried to give PK an extra shift to go full length of the ice to surprise the enemy.

  14. Da Hema, 26 January, 2014

    Pacioretty will go to the perimeter of the bowl….

  15. CHicoHab, 26 January, 2014

    We are 27-20-5 after tonite. Even if we lose next 7 games (leading upto olympics) we will be .500. Dont think we will lose next 7. MT as much as I dont care for him will survive the season. If we win lets say 3 of next 7 that puts us 30-24-5. Thats not going to get MT canned. If we lose the next 7 though well then it’ll be interesting.

    “take your time and hurry up”

  16. CH Marshall, 26 January, 2014

    Ahhh Saku. A good guy

  17. Captmax, 26 January, 2014

    It was sad again that the third period was another round of “Whose my line mate” but if we trade we need one thing… A real forward who can get to the net. Gallagher can’t do it all on his own.

    What’s crazy is that the Kid with the broken hand is causing all this?! He might not be what the fans want but we’ve been losing since his injury and nothing was more confidence than him bandaging the hand and finishing the game against Florida. I watched that on 24ch and knew the kids a star! He’s all heart! He helped by making the Habs 3 descent lines now they are scrambling! Come back Galchenyk we are dying without you!!

    Eller is not a winger!! But the kid can handle the puck and make plays… Wish he had guys to make them to!!
    DD and Pac make one descent player. That’s it. There needs to be 3 guys on a line and since Gallagher plays hard enough for 2 the line can float!! Change it or forever be without serious consistency. Time to change up Gionta and Plekanec’s!!

    Sad for Price but once you get “great” some times the defense start thinking they are!! Not the case here. They are letting him down! They need to know it!

    We need White back to!! More heart!! More grit!!

    It’s sad but we’ll have the elements back after the Olympics to make a push again.

    Still have hope but don’t trust the heart!


  18. lizard ranger, 26 January, 2014

    I’ve been reading HIO for a long time but this game, this game, that sad attempt at a hockey game, has turned me into an online “expert” . Drinking use to be fun but now I have to watch hockey in the garage . I don’t blame my wife . The Habs are turning me into a misreable guy to be around on game night . Please trade or fire anyone . Something has got to give .

  19. CH Marshall, 26 January, 2014

    Guy, I mistakenly checked the score after 1st at work, and unfortunately I was in a bad mood for the rest of the time. Lesson learned. I’m not watching the rest of the games unless I find myself in a bar with the game on.

  20. punkster, 26 January, 2014



  21. FormalWare, 26 January, 2014

    …upon us all.

    WWSD (What Would SubbieDoo?)

  22. Habsbill24, 26 January, 2014

    Actually 27-20-5 means the Habs won 27 and lost 25 but got five loser points so they are barely over .500 now in terms of wins and losses. The NHL is the only league where every team can be over .500 given their point system.

    Fans pay big dollars to see a team play smart competitive hockey. MT says any team can have a bad game. How about a bad two months? The guy is clueless shuffling lines because that is the only thing he knows how to do. I will not watch another game live this season. Not worth investing 2.5 hours of my time. I will use the DVR and watch on delay so I can fast forward when games get out if hand like the last three this week. Sports are supposed to entertain. There is no entertainment value from these Habs, just frustration. MB says to be patient, but he has only been here two years. We, the fans, have been waiting since 1993 for a team that is truly a competitive threat to win the Cup. Save your money and stay home. That is the only way we can deliver a message.

  23. CH Marshall, 26 January, 2014

    Man I’m glad I don’t pay for watching live games
    Like tonight’s. Just can’t afford it

  24. lizard ranger, 26 January, 2014

    Madness……Madness very funny

  25. FormalWare, 26 January, 2014

    Ain’t a wing… Amen! Eller, Lars 6’2″ 210 C

    C. C!!

    WWSD (What Would SubbieDoo?)

  26. Habsbill24, 26 January, 2014

    Don’t bother keeping Larry either, third line center at best with little touch around the net.

  27. Captain Pike, 26 January, 2014

  28. Puckdoc, 26 January, 2014

    Therrien won’t get fired but how long until Bergevin starts getting named in tweets by the Montreal mayor?

    He’s done nothing this season except add Daniel Briere, Douglas Murray and George Parros. I believe those “moves” deserve all the heat being directed at Therrien who’s a buffoon in his own right but is just making crappy lemonade out of shriveled up lemons.

  29. Da Hema, 26 January, 2014

    True. It is very difficult to turn ground chuck into tenderloin….

  30. FormalWare, 26 January, 2014

    Five to Nothing at Home. 5. Nil. À domicile! Five to nothing! 5 – Zero! Five! Five!!!…

    WWSD (What Would SubbieDoo?)

  31. CH Marshall, 26 January, 2014

    Seriously why not try 2-2-1? Or anything than the trap? Not to make a soccer parallel, but we have speed, so why not play 4-3-3?

  32. DickandDanny, 26 January, 2014

    I was watching the game with my 20 year old daughter who for some reason picked tonight to have a Dad moment. She knows little about hockey and if she does have a team she cheers for it’s the Sens (my hometown). Anyway, even she was commenting how bad this team looks. In the words of the late great John Candy, “lets blow em up real good”. Yup, it’s time this miserable assortment of misfits found new homes. There are no untouchables, not Price, not Subban, not Pacioretty, or Plekanec. It’s time for MB to start earning his money and make some brilliant moves. If he has to trade some fan favourites (there aren’t many of those to choose from anyway) then so be it. In the words of another great comic, “Get er done”.

    “A cannonading blast from the wing, by Lafleur”

  33. CH Marshall, 26 January, 2014

    Thank god for impartial opinion!

  34. CH Marshall, 26 January, 2014

    I’m watching this CBC rerun of the game, and I can tell for a fact MT doesn’t know how to emotionally engage the team

  35. DickandDanny, 26 January, 2014

    One thing really popped out again tonight. Something I noticed early in the season also, but had forgotten about. Our D rarely if ever pinch in at the blue line in 5 on 5 situations. That must be frustrating as hell for the forwards who are always racing back to our end to help out. Other teams routinely pinch up their D and help keep the puck in so the forwards can play in the offensive end. Not our bunch. They were backing out all night again, several times when they could have gotten to a loose puck. I even recall a forward glancing back to the point thinking where the hell is the D. Another thing about the D, when have you seen one of our D joining in a offensive rush. Never. It’s little things like this which differentiate a good team from an average or weak team. Subban rushing the puck doesn’t count either. I am talking about a D man actually joining the rush as a 4th player. It never happens. No wonder we are the last in the league offensively 5 on 5. There are reasons for these things and that is a glaring one in my opinion.

    “A cannonading blast from the wing, by Lafleur”

  36. montreal ace, 26 January, 2014

    #%$%^%$ GM, $%^%%%$#$,Coach, #$#$%$%$ Players, and #$#$#%!! spell check

  37. Sean Bonjovi, 26 January, 2014

    The man who hired Marc Bergevin also gave serious consideration to hiring Pierre McGuire.

  38. CH Marshall, 26 January, 2014

    We gave two D and now 3 who can do it. I’d rather this team lose by 5-6 and win by 6-5

  39. Bun E. Laroque, 26 January, 2014

    It should probably be Geoff Molson’s face in the Scream. Therrien is definitely not doing enough existential soul searching in my opinion. If the team is going to suck I would rather watch some of the younger players try hard, make mistakes and learn their craft. Tinordi should definitely be playing here. A coaching change would be nice. The games just aren’t that fun to watch. Worked out pretty well for Winnipeg.

  40. wildwilly, 26 January, 2014

    If Therrien is out, who would you put in?

    Guy Boucher knows many of the players and would seem a logical choice. His motivation would be a welcome change to Therrien’s style.

    Who else? I imagine the coach will be Francophone, which cuts down the list.

  41. The Gonk, 26 January, 2014

    I’ve been a Habs fan for 40 years running. I’m never going to stop but I think I know a bad watershed Habs situation when I see it. The Roy trade still ranks as the lowest point of our recent history and the entire 2011-2012 season debacle comes second. Tonight’s game was emblematic of an embarrassing stretch of bad play that is now metastasizing into the third. With respect to Boone, I think he’s wrong. While the composition of this team has major holes, I nevertheless think there’s enough talent to compete and play decent hockey as a threat in the Eastern Conference (and while they’re not an elite team I still feel they’re better than their recent showing). I think the team’s failure largely sits with MT. He strikes me as is insecure and his turbid psyche pervades many of his decisions: proverbial line tinkering, unprocessed line changes and in-games adjustments, and most egregiously his inability to adopt puck-possession strategies that utilizes the Habs speed and skill to play attacking hockey. Which all leads us to MB and his complicity (if not direction) on how the team plays. He’s likeable (he’s the anti-Gauthier) but is he wise? How do you let MT make these decisions if they aren’t reflecting your like-minded thoughts and perceptions? If it is the case the coach does align with you, then your assessment of your talent isn’t good or else your chosen style of play doesn’t fit the team you have. Either way a change is needed. Immediately.

  42. FormalWare, 26 January, 2014

    I don’ theen those words mean what you theen they mean.

    WWSD (What Would SubbieDoo?)

  43. Feraco, 26 January, 2014

    This is a top 10 team in 40 games or less. It’s been like that for years.

  44. Marc10, 26 January, 2014

    Glad I missed this one. Happy Australia Day from Downunder. I’ll be having a drink in honour of those that were subjected to this train wreck. We lost a lot of good men and women last night. If not in body, most certainly in spirit…

  45. Bibizonka, 26 January, 2014

    Sure trade your cornerstones…

  46. NL Hab, 26 January, 2014

    Yeah you are right. I think they are told not to pinch or they are afraid to make mistakes. Either way it is making it very difficult for our forwards to sustain any type of pressure in the O-Zone when our D is back by the red-line.

    Et Le But

  47. NL Hab, 26 January, 2014

    I agree with Boone,

    This is not a playoff team. I hate Therrien, but I don’t think Scotty Bowman could make these group of guys a better team. We were overachieving at the beginning of the year, and you can see them wearing down now. I think this could get ugly.

    Et Le But

  48. 25Stanleycups, 26 January, 2014

    Im hungry. Now.

  49. Dunboyne Mike, 26 January, 2014

    Hard to compete when you don’t score, don’t stop scores.

    My powers of critical analysis amaze even myself.

    Marc10, have a great day Down Under! (What’s left of it!)

  50. Dunboyne Mike, 26 January, 2014

    And so much season left….

  51. Tom, 26 January, 2014

    look, I’ll be honest. It was a tough pill to swallow. And Australia is always a joy to behold. The duality of the situation was killing me. Hopefully, the future fire sale yields high returns. Merci!

  52. BJ, 26 January, 2014

    The only way we could have won last nights game would have been to dress #13 Anthony Calvillo and hope for a last minute touchdown toss to take the game 6-5.

  53. SherbrookeW, 26 January, 2014

    I know no one wants to hear this but…this is Bettman’s NHL. Apart from a handful of teams, and they struggle,too, EVERY team in the league has the same structure: if you were a Rangers fan this year you’d feel exactly the same way, some encouraging wins, then a series of baffling losses. The salary cap, and the encouragement of plod-hockey means that a mediocre team can beat a good one,as against Chicago , and then a mediocre team can look terrible against an even more mediocre one, as tonight. It’s a league designed to produce mediocrity. “Blowing up the team” in a panic will only make things worse. The only sane thing to do is stick with the current coach — no savior is on the horizon — for the rest of the year, and, above all, play the kids and find out what they can do. There’s no excuse for not playing Leblanc, Beaulieu, Pateyrn, etc. when you have veterans in place who you know aren’t adequate. At least find out what the kids can do.

    Habs Since ’68

  54. twilighthours, 26 January, 2014

    A Pavel Valentenko reference!

    I’m not in montreal, but it strikes me that there’s not enough outrage from either the players or the media after this past week of hockey.

    What’s the vibe there?

  55. BJ, 26 January, 2014

    Its a win win situation to keep the team as it is. If we continue losing, maybe we get a decent pick. If things turn around again we are back into it. A greater concern is to get some value at the trade deadline for perhaps Markov (and only if its a major return, a solid prospect and a 1st). If any team is willing to give anything for our UFA’s take it (see Gallagher a fifth pick, you never know what might evolve from a lower pick and at least there is some return). And there is no sense in trading half the team. I think we need to find a right winger to play with DD and Max and bring back the line of Eller (at centre) with Galchenyuk and Gallagher. At least have some offence on two lines.

  56. roblack, 26 January, 2014

    They can’t win on the road and their losing at home. Michel Therrien’s failure as a coach is he has to find somewhere else for them to play. As was once said by the great Harry Neal. Whats with Gionta taking TWO boarding penalities,hits from behind? Way to go captain,what an inspiration to the team. Im all for keeping the “bones” of this team,Subby,Price,Eller,the Gallys,and trade the rest for draft picks. Its the talent of the guys picking those picks we need to be good. Not the guy that took Louis Leblanc in the first round,someone who can accurately judge young talent. When you’re depending on Doug Murray to stop Ovie,you’re in trouble.

  57. ZimHabwe, 26 January, 2014

    From the very beginning MB NEVER promised that a Stanley Cup contender would be built in 2 years. So don’t even bother looking at management for the teams woes. We are probably lucky to be in a hypothetical playoff spot. Second, I think it’s time to shed the deadweight ie. half the defense and half the offense. Third, it’s ok if we don’t make it to the playoffs. In fact we’d rather have it that way because it’s the only way the building process can ever happen. Not through pointless trades that don’t mean a thing.

    Otherwise, this team is doomed. And I mean it.

  58. DAVE. N, 26 January, 2014

    This coach has lost the room. There is no doubt in my mind. As suspect as MT’s coaching decisions are, he is a professional coach and he still cannot motivate this team into playing any semblance of a 5 man unit, something that Amateurs understand is needed. Gallant and Daigneault aren’t the answer; There is no plan there. When you look at the camera shots of the bench, there is no talking; not even eye contact.
    IMO, this team needs two moves immediately. Replace the coach and possibly his staff, then a major trade to wake up the room. At this point, I’m not even certain it matters who you trade.These last 15 games prove it. This is not a team that can compete for a Cup. Too small up front, too small to effectively backcheck, open neutral zone where no one pays the price when they enter your zone, healthy scratch your “shooter” and “hard hitting Defenseman”…..OHL and QMHA players are showing better skill. Heartbreaking to watch this from my favorite team.
    New depths of suckitude? Even worse, we now have to look up at Toronto in the standings.

  59. DAVE. N, 26 January, 2014

    Agreed he never promised a Cup contender. A team that gives a complete game effort may be nice to watch. The management IS to be held accountable to ice a team that can do that. And if you would rather not see the Habs in the playoffs, we will agree to disagree on that. Tanking the season is a losers’ way. Ask Edmonton how its working for them.

  60. DAVE. N, 26 January, 2014

    At least there was one professional athlete on the ice last night with a Montreal uniform that has pride in his performance. Too bad he doesn’t back check.

  61. Bob_Sacamano, 26 January, 2014

    That´s the worst thing about it. A GM who has done his best to weaken this team in the last 10 months + a horrible head coach and some people think this team just isn´t good at all.

    Only Pittsburgh and Boston are really better in my point of view and this team doesn´t need Bowman. One trade, a Pateryn call up + Guy Boucher and there´s a good chance for some playoff games. With Therrien? No chance at all.

    The best we can hope for is six more losses before the Olympic break (I know there are seven games but one is against Boston…).

    For the ones who really think this team just sucks: Why did we win our division last season? Why were the Habs outplaying and outshooting most opponents in October? Why? Just wake up…

  62. kerrgte, 26 January, 2014

    I’m in Florida for 8 weeks this winter. This has helped me get thru the angst of this, the 21st season after the 1993 cup win.

    Sunshine is my Dog.

    MB inherited a lot of bad management decisions. Nothing on the farm and a load of hand-cuffing contracts from previous mismanagement. BUT he’s also made a lot of stinkers too. Briere instead of Jar, Parrots, no-points Prust, etc. I think Murray and Drewiske were just hole fillers. Now he’s cornered with no aging veteran of value to trade.

    With a bit of luck, MB will go for it and have a garage sale to make way for a potentially good 2015-16 season. Markov, Gorges, Bourque, Gionta, Moen, Prost – maybe a legitimate contender could find value in one of these guys and give up a pick in return. Throw in the invisible LeBlanc for free.

    MT is just the guy in the middle with the unenviable task of making a winning team out of mediocre talent. He should start playing Diaz as Diaz will at least put in a bit of effort.

    It will make an interesting case study to see how this once proud franchise climbs out of the muck.

    Today in St Augustine is forecast to be 63F and cloudy. I’m glad I’m here rather than Barrie or Ottawa.

    Cheers tout le monde.
    george k

  63. spos080808, 26 January, 2014

    Wait…Did you really just say that signing Prust was a “stinker?”

  64. ZimHabwe, 26 January, 2014

    You are right on most of the things you say except my comment was not meant to suggest that we go the tank route. In fact I’d be happy if they made it. All I meant to imply was it would also be fine if they didn’t make it because we can get a top pick.

  65. habbytent, 26 January, 2014

    sigh, time to go into true lurker mode, not get excited or interested before games, check the ALN after, decide if i want to read the game blog from there, then decide if i want to watch the game, lowest profile fan i know how to be, compensation techniques.

  66. Bash, 26 January, 2014

    I am a long time die hard fan of the bleu blanc rouge. But last night I did not watch the game. Nor can I bring myself to watch my recorded version. This from a guy who plans life around Habs games.

    The trade talk was happening when we were winning a few games. The holes in this lineup have been glaring since day one.

    The Therrien trashing has been a constant and for good reason: weird line combos, suspect “benchings”, apparent favouritism, strangling younger players etc.

    Now that the goose has been in the oven for a while it’s simply more apparent than ever.

    I don’t give a flying frenchman fcuk about our record as long as the players have passion and management has a plan. Right now we have neither of those.

    Trade the dead weight! (for little or nothing if necessary)

    Play the kids!

    Goodbye MT!

    “If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.” (anon)

  67. CH Marshall, 26 January, 2014

    I’m literally having a case of deja vu circa PG firing

  68. Captain aHab, 26 January, 2014

    Tank vs no tank

    To me this is the incorrect discussion. The correct one is about asset management. Gainey was absolutely horrible at it – never trade a potential rental to another team, just keep losing UFAs for nothing, trade away McDonough, blow all your dough on small guys, etc….Gauthier wasn’t much better.

    Now it’s MB’s turn. Ask yourselves this: after seeing this team, are you really confident we’ll see a deep playoff run while Markov and Pleks are still good? Markov is likely already no more than a second pairing D in terms of the minutes he can play consistently. Pleks is absolutely great but for how long still? To me, they are the two guys who could fetch something on the market. Heck they could trade Markov and re-sign him next year if they really wanted to; Markov could get a shot at a Cup.

    People say well we can’t trade Pleks as he’s far too valuable. Well the idea is to get value back. Of course if we send him and get a Gomez back then it’s a stupid deal but that’s where I’ll be evaluating MB.

    I get the concept of patience but if we have a very similar team again next year, then we’ll know that either MB can’t manage assets or that Molson is telling him to be just competitive enough to make some playoff money.

    Things I will be looking for in preparation for next year:

    1) NOT having Moen or Prust types on offensive lines, EVER. I am sick and tired of this. Put some kids with some offensive talent there. We have them. Bournival was playing well and then had one off game and has been relegated since. Hell the EGG line was one of the top ones in the league early before Therrien inexplicably dismantled it.

    2) Markov gone or at most on a second pairing

    3) Gorges gone or on a third pairing at most. He is playing far too many minutes for his level of ability

    4) Gionta gone and replaced with someone with size who can hit and maybe score a little.

    5) Galchenyuk and Eller as centers. Put DD on the wing (he can’t be a checking center; yes they would need free agency potentially to cover that with Pleks gone – get a guy who can cover and take a faceoff – no need for him to be a top scorer) and if he can’t cut it there, send him down and see if anyone picks him up on waivers

    6) Trade Pleks, in a package if need be, for a young winger with size and skill.

    People keep saying keep Pleks and trade DD, Bourque and Brière…..folks, no one wants them or if they do we’ll get nothing in return.

    So if I see progress as shown above, then I’ll be happy.

    Me skull and crossbones arn’t the only thing I plan on raisin’ tonight.

  69. RH, 26 January, 2014

    Hope someone empties the garbage can soon because the DVD’s are starting to pile up.

  70. Habfan17, 26 January, 2014

    I was hoping to read here or on TSN this morning, that Therrien had been fired.

    What a mess. The players are like lost sheep! Markov again had players blow by him. I don’t know if his knees are acting up, but all he had to do was lean on to a player coming down the boards and he let him fly right by!!

    If the players aren’t trying to send a message and get Therrien fired, then they must be completely disheartened with his system!

    Therrien says throw away the video,hmmmmm, why not a bag skate? Therrien has tried the days off, baseball on ice! How about an honest to goodness practice!


  71. Roger Ramjet, 26 January, 2014


  72. Captain aHab, 26 January, 2014

    Markov is playing too many minutes and is out of gas.

    Therrien hasn’t tried bowling yet.

    Me skull and crossbones arn’t the only thing I plan on raisin’ tonight.

  73. Psycho29, 26 January, 2014

    WOW…Glad I didn’t go to that one…
    A co-worker won an evening in the Journal de Montreal Loge at the Bell….and he doesn’t like hockey. So he offered the seats to a bunch of us.
    It was my girlfriend’s birthday supper last night so I turned down the free food and drink and excellent hockey (ok, 2 out of 3)…
    We put the game on when we got home, and it was 3-0, then Caps scored to make it 4-0. We switched to the DVR to watch Walking Dead. Kind of ironic.

    BTW it worked out ok for my buddy who won the loge. Each person gave him $60, so he made a cool $1000

  74. Habfan17, 26 January, 2014

    That is true! Still, he does not look good. Since after Markov and Subban, the rest are third pairing defencemen, it is hard to spread the ice time. Maybe he should try broomball!

    I have it! Therrien should out on the pads and let the players shoot at him!!


  75. Maritime Ronn, 26 January, 2014

    It appears that the present Habs coach was calling upon his inner “Churchillian” spirit during the post game stating, ” It is during adversity that we build character.”

    Perhaps if good ole Winston was alive today, he may have repeated one of his own famous quotes:
    “I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly”.

  76. jrshabs1, 26 January, 2014

    To bad Timo is away on a cruise. I miss his 100% accurate assesment of our Montreal Canadiens. Timo had this team figured out in October. Good for Timo!

    MOAR BIGGAR!!!!!

  77. scavanau, 26 January, 2014

    3 comments about last night –

    1. Unbelievable.
    2. My friend bought those “premium” tickets for him and his wife. I feel bad for him.
    3. Douglas Murray was faster than Daniel Briere. And worked harder.

  78. Habfan10912, 26 January, 2014

    Good morning friends. I had both the fortune to be able to attend last nights event AND the misfortune to witness perhaps the most dreadful performance by this team this season. It was dreadful.

    From these eyes it sure looked like a team who has quit on their coach. Midway through the 2nd period I looked over at the bench and MT wasn’t even watching the play. He was just starring off at the other end of the ice. In the third he was doing the same so I took some photo’s. Fans and players looking right at the action as MT is looking to his left. Telling?

    I’ll start with two of our more important players and a theory, Markov and Emelin. It almost appeared to me that these two players were playing at half speed. They looked to be avoiding contact at any cost. There was a significant lack of intensity to their game.

    Look, its hard to signal out individual players in such a debacle. Most players contributed to the mess last night. But it got my conspiracy blood thinking. Given #8’s recent scratches with a “lower body” injury along with our two Russan players lack of intensity is it possible that the Russian Olympic Team has directed their stars to avoid injury at all cost? Could that be the explanation for their seemingly lack of hustle? Hmmmm.

    I have many more observations but its a pain to type on my phone. I’ll wait until I get home to elaborate.

    A final thought. My oldest grandson Tommy turned to Chrisadiens and I as the final siren sounded and said, “Even when the game stinks we still have a great time on this trip.”. From the mouth of a smart 13 year old to the ears of a forgetful Grandfather. Priceless.


  79. boonie, 26 January, 2014

    We’re done. We may make the playoffs, but this team is done.

    According to the people who select NHLers and others to represent their countries at the Olympics, our best players include: Price, Subban, Max, Yem, Diaz, Plecs and Markov. They all suck right now.

    If our best ain’t playing, is it surprising that we are getting thumped most nights.

    Price gets yanked for the second time in our recent stretch of games too painful to watch on PVR.

    PK decides to take retaliation to a whole ‘nother level. If someone bumps him, PK will chase the guy all over the ice (oddly, without penalty) until he takes himself out of a play and gives up a scoring chance.

    Markov – notwithstanding a two game night not long ago – lets guys fly by him as he mans the offensive point at least a couple of times a game. Thankfully, Prust started a fight to minimize a scoring chance.

    Diaz at playing. Yem — well. ahhh, yeah. that injury thing just ain’t right. Is Max playing? I know scorers are streaky, but that hot spur to get chosen seemed a little too well timed. He should do what Semen did and sign one year deals. He could make a killing.

    Plecs shouldn’t be on the bad guy list. He’s hustling and making things happen. Can’t do much with the tiny, no bicep man on one side and Eller (as an HIO person put recently, a great athlete who happens to play hockey, a center who doesn’t realize he has wingers) on the other. I suppose that’s why Plecky scores on shorthanded breakaways. He hates his wingers.

    Birds gotta fly. Fish gotta swim. Things gotta change.

  80. stevei, 26 January, 2014

    I still can’t get over the missed opportunity of signing Jagr (who wanted to play for Montreal) for half the price of what they pay brittle Briere (who rejected the Habs 7 years ago). Jagr would of ccomplemented Plecanec well.
    Briere: 14pts
    Jagr : 42pts

  81. Habfan17, 26 January, 2014

    Maybe Emelin and Markov are saving themselves for the Olympics!


  82. Jim Edson, 26 January, 2014

    Sr Boone
    MT is responsible for the fatigue and overuse of Markov
    MT is responsible for overuse of his pal Bouillon
    MT is responsible for putting his players in untenable situations by his “system”
    MT is responsible for a chip and chase system wearing down his small forwards over time
    MT did choose assistants who appear clueless in solving PP and Defense issues
    MT is responsible for game management gaffs occurring too frequently game in and out!
    MT is responsible for creating and instituting systems which compliment the players he has been given or has personally chosen!
    MT has to share responsibility for Bergevin’s questionable signings and extensions!
    MT as headcoach is responsible for managing the players and his chosen coaches in all aspects!

    What does the Commissioner of the NHL do?

    In short, a league commissioner is the action man for the Board of Governors.

    They tell him what they want done and he works to make it happen through his subordinates while making sure that individual franchises play by the rules.

    ******** Translated if you haven’t won the Stanley Cup in 40 years your NHL team is becoming irrelevant in a sports mad city long behind MLB, NFL and NBA teams, you just tell the commissioner(who you gave a new contract at 7 plus million per) to make it happen and the rules are bent sufficiently to action the command.

  83. BJ, 26 January, 2014

    Glad you had a good time despite the stinker.

  84. JUST ME, 26 January, 2014

    Yeah but… that`s what everybody has been saying all along ! We may make the playoffs, but this team is done !

    I grant you that at least we looked like we could hold the pace some games and even take command but now …Heard Gionta`s comments after the game and you could hear it in his voice. The rock bottom thing…
    I just cannot help but hear in my head the T.A.P.S. hymn and try to understand what ,how and why ?

    I just feel like we are looking at pieces of a puzzle that don`t belong in the same box that`s all.

  85. Habfan17, 26 January, 2014

    That is why this morning, I was hoping to read the headline ” Therrien Fired!!”


  86. sholi2000.com, 26 January, 2014

    It’s all about the boy! Drive safe and sorry I couldn’t get you a win.

    Shane Oliver
    Twitter @Sholi2000
    Custom Sports Figures
    Summit Member

  87. adamkennelly, 26 January, 2014

    not to say I told you so but I told you so.

    called the curb stomping by Pit – then called loses in the next two games.

    I knew it was going to happen because I used my eyes and brain to realize that this team is not very good on the ice and is not competing.

  88. sholi2000.com, 26 January, 2014

    They drained anything I had left for them.

    OK off to ringette, at least she won’t let me down.

    Shane Oliver
    Twitter @Sholi2000
    Custom Sports Figures
    Summit Member

  89. smiler2729, 26 January, 2014

    Michel Therrien?

    I didn’t like the hiring but mostly cuz he was already fired here once but I was willing to give him leeway.

    I don’t really know what goes on in his mind behind the bench or at practices nor do I really know what the players feel and think about themselves or him so I can’t say whether he should be re-fired or not.

    All’s I see as a fan is a team that stinks but looks better than adequate “on paper”.

    The real bothersome issue with the Montreal Canadiens is continuing bullpucky that is the kow towing to the French media: WHY DO WE ALWAYS HAVE TO HAVE A FRENCH COACH AND WHY NOT JUST HIRE THE BEST COACH FOR THE JOB???

    The fans in either language don’t care so why appease the Rejean Tremblays of the world??? I’m so sick of this shit.

    I’m finding myself cheering more and more for the Columbus Blue Jackets (my wife’s team) than the circus that is the “storied” Montreal Canadiens.

    Jack Edwards is a clam.
    Gary Bettman is a bobblehead.
    The “CH” in CHOKE stands for Toronto Maple Leafs.

  90. Habfan10912, 26 January, 2014

    Happy for you.

  91. Kooch7800, 26 January, 2014

    I actually hope we don’t make the playoffs. That will hit Molson in the pocket book and force them to make some tough decisions on our older vets. Last season MB failed with his acquisitions. This summer will be critical for MB. If he resigns Diaz and pays Markov top dollar for a multi year deal we will be in a similar situation next year. They need to add some scoring up front and we will have to overpay via free agency and Subban will be getting big money. Let the kids come up and play. If Markov can be signed for under 5 mill a season I would do it but he wouldn’t be getting the ice time he is now.

    We need to give away some vets at the deadline for picks. It is better than nothing.

  92. HankHardball, 26 January, 2014

    We have a GM whose history is about 100 games in the NHL. And a coach who has a .546 NHL winning percentage.

    And the main candidate to replace him is a coach whose regular season winning percentage is also .546 and has only coached about 200 games at the NHL level.

    Maybe what the Habs need is for the Dicks to come back so we can stop being Quebec’s team. They do it much better than we do.

  93. CJ, 26 January, 2014

    I have similar suspicions regarding Markov and Emelin based on watching them in person. It is telling. Of course it is also very troubling. It tough to stick out when the team is playing this poorly, so good for them I guess.

  94. smiler2729, 26 January, 2014

    I think Carey’s gonna shine bright in front of a great team like Team Canada, it’ll reinvigorate him and then he’ll have to come back and play with these bums again…

    Jack Edwards is a clam.
    Gary Bettman is a bobblehead.
    The “CH” in CHOKE stands for Toronto Maple Leafs.

  95. adamkennelly, 26 January, 2014

    thanks – I’m not happy it happened but I’m thrilled that I was able to successfully use my eyes and brain..even tho I got told off by many fellow posters.

    I think MT gets fired before the end of this week.

  96. smiler2729, 26 January, 2014

    I’m all for dumping the vets and letting the youth play their way into a solid team. Yeah, there’s bumps but at least we, as fans, would expect them.

    I have no time for watching the same old guys get the same old results, thanks for coming Gio, Pleks, Moen, Bouillon, Markov, Murray, Diaz, Bourque… see ya

    Jack Edwards is a clam.
    Gary Bettman is a bobblehead.
    The “CH” in CHOKE stands for Toronto Maple Leafs.

  97. JF, 26 January, 2014

    That was absolutely the worst game I’ve ever see the Habs play. The only other one in fairly recent memory that even comes close is the 6-0 loss to the Leafs early last season. Not only was the defence an even worse mess than usual, but there was not the smallest semblance of an attack. No nice passing plays, no purposeful puck movement, no systematic pressure, no structure. The five players on the ice were not a team at all, simply five completely uninterested individuals.

    The Antichambre crew called the game “difficile,” an adjective that is far from doing justice to the degree of suckitude on the ice. Only Marc Denis said it was “inacceptable.” I would call it execrable, disgraceful, disgusting, sickening.

    And grounds for firing the coach. Whether he’s lost the room or not, he failed to have the team prepared to play their first home game in eleven days, on a Saturday night when the fans were ponying up far more than usual to watch.

    Unfortunately, I don’t think firing the coach would change much. His successor, be it Guy Boucher, Benoit Groulx, Marc Crawford or anyone else, would quickly become mired in the same problems – a vertically challenged group of forwards, a popgun offence, a defence many of whose members are playing over their heads. Within two weeks he’d be juggling his lines as frantically as ever Therrien, JM or Guy Carbonneau did, and the HIO Commentariat would be all over him.

    My guess is Bergevin will ride out the season with Therrien unless we see a repetition of last night’s mess, but there’ll be a change in the off-season. I’m just hoping, as I wrote at length yesterday, that the Habs miss the playoffs and Bergevn sells off impending free agents and some of the veterans at the deadline.

  98. JohnBellyful, 26 January, 2014

    So you’re suggesting they blow up the ‘bridge’ captain?

  99. habfan01, 26 January, 2014

    Maybe Briere needs to step up to the mike and say “Therrien est incompetent”. It worked once before in getting a coach fired.

  100. Kooch7800, 26 January, 2014

    I would keep plex but the rest could go. I am sure a cup contender would take gio.

    Keep your kids and add around them.

    Why did I know we were in trouble when we signed Briere. Reminded me of when we traded. For kabrele

    “Keep your stick on the Ice”

  101. Kooch7800, 26 January, 2014

    Sadly Briere is. Part of the issue.

    “Keep your stick on the Ice”

  102. GL, 26 January, 2014

    No one is gonna be successful with this team. Bunch of under achievers. Fire therrien if they want the next guy will only be good for a few games than back to square one. once a loser always a loser. Gotta have players who come to play every game like PK, Gallaghar and Price That’s the core of this team the rest pretty much Bums…

  103. Kooch7800, 26 January, 2014

    Mt will be gone after this season. He isn’t my fav coach but this team also has major holes in the roster

    “Keep your stick on the Ice”

  104. Mr.Habs71sv, 26 January, 2014

    By all means lets rack up another loss slip even further in the standings and then think about. Don’t rush. I will be lucky to see a playoff series win before my retirement. My cat could coach the Habs. Cheeses Priced!

    Till next time….

  105. Kooch7800, 26 January, 2014

    I would not discount price being pissed. What scares me is PK in the offseason. They need to lock him up before he wants out

    “Keep your stick on the Ice”

  106. habfan01, 26 January, 2014

    True- but apparently it takes someone french to make that statement.

  107. Kooch7800, 26 January, 2014

    I agree they need some major roster changes. Mt though is not playing the right system for his roster. He is also not using players correcctly

    “Keep your stick on the Ice”

  108. Kooch7800, 26 January, 2014

    No doubt

    “Keep your stick on the Ice”

  109. jon514, 26 January, 2014

    I for one don’t think firing the coach makes sense. As upsetting as it is to realize, the style of hockey MT WANTS to play… does win championships. But the players he has to work with do not fit his mold.

    We play a very similar style to the St. Louis Blues. What’s the difference between us and them? More size. Better balance of talent.

    If he lost the room and it’s irreversible, sure replace him, but the guy you replace him with is STILL going to have a problem making headway in the playoffs with this core group.

  110. CJ, 26 January, 2014

    I hate losing. I really do. Getting blown out makes it even worse. The Leafs and Sens losing last night was small consolation. Feelings aside, this could be the best thing for the franchise going forward. If the team falls out of the playoff picture, it opens the door for change.

    I would be disappointed if Bergevin starts handing out extensions. Use this opportunity to excelerate a building process with a focus on getting younger and bigger.

  111. jrshabs1, 26 January, 2014

    What are our french brothers saying about the disaster that is the Habs? Are they satisfied with their french coach and GM? Are they planning any protests? I haven’t heard one thing from our french brothers regarding the suckatude on the ice. I guess what I’m saying, do the french only care about the Habs when one of their own isn’t at the helm? Poor Cunny, run out of town, and his team didn’t suck as bad as this one. Where’s G. Molson’s open letter to the fans, explaining the error in coach and GM? Are there any Anglo guys who speak french in Quebec who can coach? No Sam Pollocks or Scotty Bowmans out there? The french only rule has killed our Habs.

    MOAR BIGGAR!!!!!

  112. slimjim111, 26 January, 2014

    I dont think a new coach can do anything that would be a whole lot different… The ingredients just arent there.

    Trade Bourque, Briere, Prust and maybe Diaz for some guys who are big, fast and you know can deliver upfront.

    MB needs to makes some trades and shake things up, because I really dont see this team having any steam at the end of March… Sad that we are all glad there is an Olympic break. Which really doesnt make a whole lot of sense considering the amount of Habs players going to the Games…

  113. –Habs–, 26 January, 2014

    Awful! Even during the 10 game win streak it was awful wins! All I can say is dump some veterans for draft choices, sink to the bottom as far and as fast as you can and retool. Leave MT in place for the debacle and replace him with a coach that can relate to young kids at the end of season!

    “Habs” Watch and learn….! Or Not!

  114. munch17, 26 January, 2014

    I just came back from a walk on the mountain with my dog.
    It is -21 with winds of 22km per hour.
    Not nearly as painful as last nights game and much more enjoyable.

  115. CJ, 26 January, 2014

    Failed to note, along the way if we could manage to beat the Bruins, Leafs and Sens I can save some face. Misery loves company.

  116. nickster13, 26 January, 2014

    Are tickets that expensive now? Good god, hockey is a business, and our players are collecting paychecks.

    But seriously, that is robbery. The whole premium game thing is a farce too to make more money.

    Lower ticket prices and remove the premium games thing! If you don’t, I ain’t going to the games!

    “I don’t wanna see Maurice tonight, I want the Rocket!”

  117. Bob_Sacamano, 26 January, 2014

    What of load of crap. This team won the Northeast Divison last season and played well in October. After that Therrien completely lost the plot. Just like he did before in Montreal and later in Pittsburgh. Why is that too hard to see?

  118. Kooch7800, 26 January, 2014

    I agree CJ. Losing May be the best long term. if they go on at are it doesn’t force mb to make any significant change. We know there shouldn’t be any rental players now. Time to move out the vets and change it up. If we are going to lose do it with our youth. At least they will have some life

    “Keep your stick on the Ice”

  119. JohnBellyful, 26 January, 2014

    This just in:

    Therrien fired … up about next game, against the Hurricanes.
    “I got some new systems I can hardly wait to try out,” said the embattled coach.

  120. Captain aHab, 26 January, 2014

    “Trade Bourque, Briere, Prust and maybe Diaz for some guys who are big, fast and you know can deliver upfront.”

    Again, why do people keep saying this? You won’t get talent from that group of stiffs. Pleks or less likely Markov might do it.

    Me skull and crossbones arn’t the only thing I plan on raisin’ tonight.

  121. Kooch7800, 26 January, 2014

    Did you happen to miss that it was a shortened season and watch the last 20 games and playoffs? If it was a full season last year do you honestly think we would have been first? I personally don’t. I think we may have even missed the playoffs

    “Keep your stick on the Ice”

  122. DAVE. N, 26 January, 2014

    Briere would be throwing stones in a glass house, IMO. When Douglas Murray was faster than he was 2-3 times out of the D-zone last night . I thought CBC had found a new way to have a regular speed on one player, and slow motion on the other.
    IF the story is that Briere was brought in for his Playoff experience and abilities, I suspect we won’t ever know what that looks like.

  123. Kooch7800, 26 January, 2014

    100% agree

    “Keep your stick on the Ice”

  124. CJ, 26 January, 2014

    I love Prust and I’d hate to lose him, but I honestly wonder what he has left. It would seem as though he has broken every bone in his body. I wonder sometimes if he is playing with two separated shoulders. Guy is a lion and will go to battle with anyone, but, not unlike Ryan Clowe or David Clarkson, these guys have lots of miles on them. As I’ve said, I sincerely hope Crisp, Nevins, McCarron and/or Fournier can take that next step. I’ve given up on Steve Qualier. We need more guys who can work the trenches. Amazing as it sounds, this team really misses Ryan White.

  125. Captain aHab, 26 January, 2014

    I’m a franco and I want the best available coach and GM…language be damned. I think if the current MB/MT combo doesn’t turn the ship around, the Habs might rethink the french only angle. MIGHT.

    The reason I say this is that even french media like RDS are criticizing french players and even MT now.

    Me skull and crossbones arn’t the only thing I plan on raisin’ tonight.

  126. Bob_Sacamano, 26 January, 2014

    It was a shortened season, so what? Being one point better than the Bruins after 48 games still isn´t shabby.

    The playoffs? Yawn. Eller went down in game one and right before that he was probably our best forward. Gionta wasn´t fit and missed some games, Pacioretty too (missed only one game but…) . Price didn´t look fit either and Anderson played the best hockey of his career…

  127. Kooch7800, 26 January, 2014

    I would keep prust. He gives it his all every shift. We need more of that and hope it is contagious

    “Keep your stick on the Ice”

  128. Maritime Ronn, 26 January, 2014

    As mentioned last week, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see this is a very unhappy team – the body language on the bench says it all.

    That mentioned, if anyone was really looking – and not being fooled by some lucky wins and early season success before opposing coaches got a hold of the videos, it was apparent over a month ago.

    DECEMBER 23, 2013 AT 12:12 PM
    …even with the very good record to date, there seems to be something wrong – a certain stress/level of frustration that can easily be seen in the body language and faces of guys like Subban-Eller-Prust-Gallagher-Galchenyuk-Bournival, and others…including Max with his sword celebration…
    Why has that transpired and getting worse?
    We can only speculate, yet here are some suggestions.

    Leadership void:
    – A Lame Duck Captain that knows he will not be here next year, and the rest of the guys in the room know that also.
    – A Lame Duck Assistant Captain in Markov.
    – Another assistant Captain that has become a 4-5 one dimensional Dman singing the same dressing room tunes.

    Please point out 1 other NHL team – where its supposed leadership group wearing the “C” and “As” is in a similar state of turmoil?
    The guys in the room aren’t giving this group the time of day…

    Coaching: Team First
    – While he preaches “Team First”, it’s really all about HIM.

    Tipping point: You never, ever, ever berate and embarrass your BEST player on the ice and in public, for ALL the hockey world to see.
    You do that 1 on 1 in private.
    The idiotic callout(s), and coach imposed 10 minute misconduct towards Subban 18 days ago has been the turning point.

    Since that time in Philly, Subban is Minus -11 in 8 games and has only 2 points. The team is 2-6-0. No coincidence there.

    – Total Unfairness of playing time, linemates and obvious Favoritism:

    Remember the fun, excitement, and looking forward to games when the EGG line was going?
    When Bournival was lighting it up with Plex and Gio?
    When PK and Marky were being considered as one of the best Dman pairings in the NHL?

    Then along came the ” Me and Davey” issue, and with the exception of a few games, the team has gone downhill since then.

    Anyone that has ever played the game knows what it’s like when a team is put in turmoil because the coach’s favourites play big, unnearned minutes and preferred PP time…to the detriment of the team.
    Simply put, sooner or later, you lose the room.

  129. Kooch7800, 26 January, 2014

    We are playing the same way now that we did last year when the slide started and this team has been healthier this year than in recent years.
    We have an elite goalie, stud dman but too much dead weight. if it were not be for price we would be below 500. Mt is a problem but we Ned some major roster changes.

    If you don’t agree that is fine. I just don’t see us as a contender at this point

    “Keep your stick on the Ice”

  130. slimjim111, 26 January, 2014

    It the GMs job to make it happen… Odd to see Bourque play with a little more umph after the trade rumors this past week though…

  131. monmick, 26 January, 2014

    Rumour that MT was crying in Gionta’s arms after the game last night. Don’t know whether it’s true…

  132. Richard B, 26 January, 2014

    I miss bob gainy

  133. Captain aHab, 26 January, 2014

    He’s a GM. not a magician.

    Me skull and crossbones arn’t the only thing I plan on raisin’ tonight.

  134. DAVE. N, 26 January, 2014

    You don’t use a thoroughbred as a plow horse, and vice versa. Therrien may THINK he has a winning formula, but he doesn’t; and he DOES have the players to compete, but they didn’t. These are pro sports players, and they don’t believe in their coach or his system, proven or not. All it takes is watching the way they looked at the bench; disinterested, aloof. AND I’m NOT talking about the players only. The coaches looked lost, and if they don’t have the answers, find some that do. When coaches use players out of position, bench positives, keep playing negatives you’ll never get the room back. It is irreversible; Losing the confidence of your team is not going to be retrieved like a misplaced set of car keys. He was hired by a rookie GM who wanted an experienced coach. Wrong guy for the players under contract. The organization blew it.

  135. BJ, 26 January, 2014

    If there was a coaching replacement who would be an adequate choice. The choice is someone currently avalaible.
    A) French speaking coach
    B) English speaking coach

  136. CJ, 26 January, 2014

    To be clear, I’m not in favour of trading him. I’m simply suggesting that this type of player breaks down quicker. If anything, I’d be scouting the entire CHL in hopes of finding someone who can fill this role in 2-3 years. I love this type of player and hope we can introduce 2-3 more into our development system.

  137. Eddie, 26 January, 2014

    I really like the way Louis Leblanc has found his game. He is playing with a great intensity, drive, and commitment.

    Those are the same qualities I like in Bournival as well.

    We add those two pieces going forward

  138. Cape Breton, 26 January, 2014

    Those that pay the kind of dough demanded to watch such crap are out of their effin minds. Heck, even if the team was decent, to shell out $200, $300 and $400 a seat is pure insanity.

  139. Maritime Ronn, 26 January, 2014

    It’s far from robbery.
    People/companies have a CHOICE to buy, or not to buy tickets.
    It’s all about supply and demand.
    The prices will never decrease so long as the Bell Centre is full.
    You may decide not to buy – and that is your choice, yet something tells me there are thousands that will willingly take your place.

  140. CJ, 26 January, 2014

    Agreed. It’s tough to find positives over these past three games, but Beaulieu and Leblanc have both earned a place on this team. Bournival busts his butt on every shift. I’d love to see more youth, following the Olympic break.

  141. Kooch7800, 26 January, 2014

    He is great along the boards

    “Keep your stick on the Ice”

  142. DAVE. N, 26 January, 2014

    Much more eloquently put than I could have said. +99

  143. BJ, 26 January, 2014

    Good post, nothing to argue there.

  144. John Q Public, 26 January, 2014

    Ok a few things I will say and then fade away.
    24ch, nobody likes cameras around them all the time.
    When you make a speech saying “it’s just one game”, how can you expect them to play hard after that.
    The word F*** has it’s place but when you f***kin drop it f*** every f***kin second word f*** it lose it’s f***kin meaning.
    You f***kin get what I am f***kin saying.
    F*** me, we suck !!!!!

  145. Lafleurguy, 26 January, 2014

    (905)876-to be continued.

    “Bends but won’t break”

  146. nickster13, 26 January, 2014

    Because we’re suckers!

    “I don’t wanna see Maurice tonight, I want the Rocket!”

  147. BJ, 26 January, 2014

    You are not witnessing the Gainey/Gauthier legacy.

  148. HabinBurlington, 26 January, 2014

    Cool, does in include some new line combinations JB?

  149. DAVE. N, 26 January, 2014

    Yup… like the way you think: pull the teeth and leave the infection. I’ll find another dentist.

  150. Kooch7800, 26 January, 2014

    Especially when in certain markets they are playing a small fraction of the price to watch actual elite teams. When I was 4 rows from the ice seeing the ducks for 100 a ticket it actually pissed me off more than anything. They have a great team and cheap tickets.

    “Keep your stick on the Ice”

  151. nickster13, 26 January, 2014

    Ridiculous coin. We’re being taken advantage of. We should become a non-profit like the Green Bay Packers.

    “I don’t wanna see Maurice tonight, I want the Rocket!”

  152. Captain aHab, 26 January, 2014

    Thank you. The dismantling of something good to try to make DD and Brière look good is where issues started. This smacks of the coach trying to make his boss’ signings look good. DD is one-dimensional and Brière is done.

    I maintain that reason the EGG line was never put back together is for it not to potentially show up DD again. If you don’t believe it, then get me a better explanation for dismantling a young line that was one of the league’s best.

    Me skull and crossbones arn’t the only thing I plan on raisin’ tonight.

  153. BJ, 26 January, 2014

    Not so long ago that was a months rent……

  154. PrimeTime, 26 January, 2014

    Really? How about the use of hyperbole to suit own conclusions and agenda.

    “Fans are entitled to express their opinion, but most of the comments on talk radio and on The Gazette’s Hockey Inside/Out website ranged from the mildly uninformed to the outrageously stupid” – Pat Hickey.

    º¤ø ¸„ø¤GO HABS GOø¤º°¨¨¨°º¤ø ¸„ø¤GO HABS GOø¤º°¨¨¨°º¤ø ¸„ø¤GO HABS GOø¤º°¨¨¨°º¤ø ¸„ø¤GO HABS GOø¤º°¨¨¨°º¤ø ¸„ø¤GO HABS GOø¤º

  155. Cape Breton, 26 January, 2014

    Way too much advertising on this site. Garbage constantly popping up that I can’t delete along with audio ads I cannot find to shut the f*** up.

  156. CJ, 26 January, 2014

    Those folks who are paying $400 a seat are nowhere near the level of frustration that many on this forum share. People who can afford these season tickets have many other interests outside of hockey. These are professional people who own businesses, firms, or are executives. Hockey for them would only be a distraction.

    I had a pair of season tickets in Club Desjardins B, section 206 row C for five years. Some people who sat in this section were more interested in chatting, then watching the game.

    Maybe it’s unfair of me to lump all these folks into the same mold, as there are certainly diehards who sit in these seats, however, I’ve been jaded with too many first hand experiences.

  157. TMan1969, 26 January, 2014

    I don’t have rosy colored glasses on – the Canadiens are in a psychological mire. The confidence they had is shattered and it is easy to point out the issues…their play, the lack of drive and positional play is out the window. The biggest issue is TEAM play – there is none…sure the coach is kind of the glue…like the Sargent Major or Chief..but truly, no matter what, the team – together – drive the ship…that’s what they have to work out.

    I say patience, will win out and teams go through ruts – if they’re professional they’ll work through…but the sky isn’t falling only a large meteors..

    “If I knew the answer to that I’d bet $10,000 on the game and retire from coaching.”
    —Montreal Canadiens coach Toe Blake after being asked if his team would win an upcoming game

  158. FlyingFrenchie, 26 January, 2014

    I blame this on the owner, MB and the people in player development. Even when the Goat was grazing at the Bell Center, there were bad moves made. But he also made a few good ones. MB on the other hand is playing the patient game. Waiting for God knows what? Have you checked out our farm team MARK? The cupboard is bare. When prospects go there they regress. When they go to other teams, they prosper. Why did Molson hire an inexperienced GM? For the same reason he hired a coach that they once fired. The truth is, most of the people posting on this forum could do a better job of running this hockey club. It’s only common sense. Something you will never see from our owner. He only thinks of dollars. In summary Mr Molson…This BUDS for YOU!

  159. CJ, 26 January, 2014

    Leblanc and Bournival have both played well. Both have earned a place on this team, based solely on their play and not the names on their back or the round they were drafted in. I’m glad to see that both have seized the opportunity. I only wish they both got more ice time.

  160. BJ, 26 January, 2014

    That should read now and not not. Does the edit no longer work?

  161. Mike Boone, 26 January, 2014

    I totally agree. Therrien’s profligate dropping of f-bombs is not going to impress many players … least of all the smart college guys like Pacioretty.

    Mike Boone
    Hockey Inside/Out blogger

  162. newbrunswick troy, 26 January, 2014

    so i have read all the comments below and we are all on same page, this team needs some changes ! but what changes can be made ? Price,Max,PK,Plecs are the only players that will yield anything ! looks like the Habs will have to give up some serious draft picks to get some returns and end up eating a lot of salary as well .
    what could we get for Briere or bourque or Moen or ????

  163. Eddie, 26 January, 2014

    Yes. Give them more ice time. They have earned it. I enjoy watching them play, it’s entertaining.

  164. boonie, 26 January, 2014

    Someone else here said it – actually many people do.

    JM’s style was inconsistent with player’s talents. Eventually, it wore them down. MT is doing the same thing.

    Forget the wins and losses, at the beginning of the season, we played a style consistent with this team’s speed and skill. We carried the puck through the neutral zone, entered the offensive zone with speed and took the game to the other team. Not banging and crashing, but a poor man’s version of firewagon hockey.

    We happened to be winning. The players likely didn’t understand the rapid-fire line changes and odd personnel decisions, but they enjoyed playing. Hey, most players we’re Scotty fans, but he let them play a style they liked and they won.

    For some inexplicable reason, MT changed to a JM style dump and chase approach. The players don’t excel in this style. Add that to MT’s other quirks AND losing and the players are done.

    Molson realized that PG and JM had to go because their style didn’t mesh with players we had. MB should see MT is following the same path now.

    He either has to change everyone — or change the coach.

    Actually, I hope he does both. He already has Bourque and Diaz on the block. He should add Gionta, Markov, Moen and other vets to the list. Picking up a few prospects and picks is a need not a luxury. Let’s not replicate Gainey’s willingness to let assets walk for nothing.

  165. HabinBurlington, 26 January, 2014

    The show is an infomercial for Bell, I would prefer it be over. Having said that, it does expose MT.

  166. Phillyhabsfan, 26 January, 2014

    Disagree that MT’s system wins championships. Look at all the recent winners (Penguins, Bruins, Kings, Blackhawks). They all dominate possession and shooting 5-5. This team concedes possession, spends all their time in their own zone, tries to block a million shots and win through a power play and a great goalie. That is not what wins championships these days.

    Oh an the other thing they all have is a dominant #1 center (Crosby, Bergeron, Kopitar, Toews) that leads the charge with possession. I love Plekanec, but he is a great #2 center, and DD is at best a 3rd line center. Our #1 stud center is out with injury and they play him on the wing anyway. That drives me nuts. Galchenyuk is the future let him play where he needs to play. If I were Bergevin I would tell Therrien to play Alex and Lars at center and if he won’t I’d trade every other option he has until he does.

  167. Eddie, 26 January, 2014

    Molson’s closest friends are also sitting there.

    He and his buddies are die hard hockey fans and they bleed Bleu, Blanc Rouge.

    Molson is feeling the heat.

  168. CJ, 26 January, 2014

    My edit doesn’t work either and you are correct regarding the legacy. It took 2-3 years to become the smallest team in the league and will now take 2-3 years to restore size, without sacrificing skill.

  169. boonie, 26 January, 2014

    At the right moment for the right team, Moen could fetch a fourth (optimistically, a third). Briere a conditional third (likely a fourth). Diaz a fourth or fifth. Frankly I’d hold onto Raph for that return.

    But you’re right. If we need to change, then we may as well made big changes. Price gets a first plus a good prospect or two. If we believe if Fucale (I’m not sure yet), then we should consider moving Carey. Budaj can hold the fort for a couple of (down) years.

    Plecs, sadly, yes. I’d move him. He’s solid. Star players like Jagr love him. He’s the Czech captain. He’d fetch something strong. A first I’d say…. lower first round from a good team looking to add strength down the middle to length a Cup run.

  170. kempie, 26 January, 2014

    What time is the press conference?

    Surely, there will be a press conference.

  171. Dulljerk, 26 January, 2014

    My, oh my, this team looks terrible. The Sudbury Wolves could take this team to task.

    No eternal reward will forgive us for wasting the dawn.

  172. CJ, 26 January, 2014

    I’m sure he is. I’m also sure that this is testing his resolve. The next six weeks will be telling. The next six months will shape the future of this franchise under Bergevin’s guidance.

  173. ABHabsfan, 26 January, 2014

    So how do you not quit supporting your team when they have clearly quit on themselves? Logic tells us that the Habs are surely to win at least a handful more games this season, but the displays of “hockey” we have subjected to recently show nothing to indicate that the Habs will end with more than 59 points.

    “man, I love winnin’; you know, it’s like better than losin’?”-
    Ebby Calvin “Nuke” Laloosh

  174. BJ, 26 January, 2014

    Starting from “In summary…..” you have a good advertizing slogan.

  175. Eddie, 26 January, 2014

    Last night one of the RDS boys suggested that sending Emelin to they press box might have turned Markov against Therrien.

    My son was at an event last year attended by Markov and Emelin, apparently they are good friends.

    I have never seen Markov play this badly and it started right after the Hawks game when he scored both goals.

  176. Blade, 26 January, 2014

    That was game 52. Game 52 last year was game 4 of round 1 vs Ottawa. The team looks just as tired. Depressing.

  177. Mattyleg, 26 January, 2014

    Install adblock. I did, and I have no problems anymore.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  178. Cal, 26 January, 2014

    Patches is smart all right. Play hard for 10 games, take 20 off. Play hard for 10 games, take 20 off. Repeat ad nauseum.
    The Davey and Patches show has to end. Since that line’s been together with Gally, the Habs have been losing consistently, just like when Cole was patrolling the right wing. This team shouldn’t be a bottom feeder, but they are playing like they are.

  179. Bob_Sacamano, 26 January, 2014

    @Kooch7800: We are absolutely NOT playing the same way now that we did last year. You are right, we have some dead weight on this team and we´re not going to win the Cup this season but there´s still a chance to safe this season and win a playoff series or two. That won´t happen with Therrien though.

  180. Captain aHab, 26 January, 2014

    AdBlock is your friend.

    Me skull and crossbones arn’t the only thing I plan on raisin’ tonight.

  181. Cape Breton, 26 January, 2014

    Thanks, will give it a try.

  182. Mattyleg, 26 January, 2014

    …maybe stop swearing…?

    Don’t used the words b-a-n-n-e-d or j-o-h-n-s-o-n
    And some others that I’ve been modded for but am not sure what they are exactly.
    It can be pretty random.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  183. Cal, 26 January, 2014

    You can’t assume that the wealthy that show up at the games and own season tickets aren’t major fans. They are paying serious coin to be entertained.

  184. Captain aHab, 26 January, 2014

    I would trade Pleks before Price as Price is quite a bit younger. Unless the return for Price is gargantuan.

    Me skull and crossbones arn’t the only thing I plan on raisin’ tonight.

  185. dallyd, 26 January, 2014

    If I recall, Gainey’s team was a first place team, one of the highest scoring in the league and went to conference final.

  186. Eddie, 26 January, 2014

    No edit for me either.

  187. CJ, 26 January, 2014

    Agreed. The only thing I’d add is let them play their natural positions, even if it’s at the expense of a veteran. The veteran is not going to be around in 1-2 years, while Bournival and Leblanc will be. I want Eller at centre. Give him Galley and Prust for now. This line worked last year. When Chucky comes back, restore the kid line. Get Bournival with Pleks and Gio. My two cents.

  188. nash_habsfan, 26 January, 2014

    Id like to hear what type of players MB should be looking for? What do the fans want to see in our Jersey before the end of the season….

    Do we need to top forward? Who do we give up to get that top forward?
    Diaz, Bourque, Markov, prospect……

    Do we need some more grit?

    With Parros not 100% and Prust doing what he can, do we bring up Tarnasky to throw some bodies around, do we need another big body that can play every night on a 3rd or 4th line?

    Do we get a veteran to help weather the storm?? Maybe the return of AK27……

    These are questions, not my personal opinion of the players we should actually get.

  189. stevieray, 26 January, 2014

    Not sure what is going on with this team …but there are issues
    Maybe JM has lost the room
    Maybe there’s dissention among certain players in the room
    Maybe there’re just wore out and the style they play as well as their physical makeup has caught up with them
    maybe all of the above .
    There is a lot of chatter about trading to pick up 2nd rounders,3rd rounders etc..
    I think maybe what should happen is let them walk …they heck with trading them as we won’t get much in return . By letting them walk we can free up a lot of cap space thus allowing us to get some hard nose players in hear . Especially 2 tough puck moving Dman .
    Just a thought .
    Last nite was painful to watch………

  190. Captain aHab, 26 January, 2014

    About the dump and chase thing, here’s the problem: once other teams got tired of the Habs running in their zone, they started to stack at the blue line and trap. Then you pretty much have to become dump and chase, which we can’t – or won’t – do.

    Me skull and crossbones arn’t the only thing I plan on raisin’ tonight.

  191. HabinBurlington, 26 January, 2014

    Clearly it’s time to follow the model which was so successful for George Costanza, it is time this team do the Opposite.

  192. bel33, 26 January, 2014

    Too bad Adblock doesn’t work for all the posters suggesting we trade away Price. Le sigh.

    – I’d buy that for a dollar! –

  193. monmick, 26 January, 2014

    Agreed. And and gives you respect for Chris Neil and the long career he has had in Ottawa (scored his 100th goal this week). But to be fair, I feel his body is breaking down as well and is no longer as effective as he used to be…

    ~~~> Mathematically eliminated…

  194. Cal, 26 January, 2014

    It’s time for fans to stop showing up and filling the rink. A half empty rink would send a message to the owner and management team where it hurts; their bottom line.
    It angers me to hear that Jim and his son Chris as well as Ian and his son go to a game and witness a demonstration like that. All that for “Optimum” prices.
    The coaching direction this team has taken deserves no support. None.

  195. jrshabs1, 26 January, 2014

    Thanks bro!

    MOAR BIGGAR!!!!!

  196. Eddie, 26 January, 2014

    If we took our core and mixed in Bournival, Leblanc, Beaulieu Patteryn, is this such a bad team?

    Were we a bad team when we finished 2nd in the conference last year?

    Were we such a bad team for the first 30 or so games of this season?

    Bad teams do not have Price, Subban, Markov, Plekanec, Pacioretty, Gallagher, Glachenyuk and Eller.

    It’s ridiculous to conclude that this is a bad team. Ridiculous.

  197. Captain aHab, 26 January, 2014

    Will. Never. Happen.

    Me skull and crossbones arn’t the only thing I plan on raisin’ tonight.

  198. BJ, 26 January, 2014

    If anyone has not caught the intro ceremonies of last nights game at Dodger Stadium, you should. Man has hockey changed. I was just remembering the start of games in the 1950-60’s, if those players at that era were transported to last night they would have thought to be on an LSD trip.

  199. crane, 26 January, 2014

    Lines until end of season or trades take place.

    Borival Eller Gally
    Pac man Plekanec D.D.
    Bork Gally L.L.
    Moen White Prust

    Emelin PK
    Markov Beaulieu
    Tinordi Pateryn

  200. jimmy shaker, 26 January, 2014

    Who needs to go….

    gio, parros, briere, bourque, bouillon, murray, diaz. Problem with these guys are there is basically zero trade value, so that means in order to get rid of some of these guys the pot has to get sweetened, and the only sweetener that can be added I believe is Eller, gorges and beaulieu, or picks. SO MB has his hands tied it’s very sad to say. Cheers for another 20 years of suckitude and no lord stanely!

    Shaker out!

    Thank you Lord God for fast forward option on pvr’s!

  201. frontenac1, 26 January, 2014

    Hola amigos! Was last night the”selling climax” required to reverse trend? Or was it only the beginning of another leg down? We will know soon. My call? Those players are not as bad as what they have been showing. Something is not right. Why either/or coach and players? Maybe both. Hope Marc has a plan.

  202. third generation haber, 26 January, 2014

    I’m in strong agreement with @captain aHab below. He stated that this team has been decimated in recent years by poor “asset-management”

    It blows my mind that some of us still think this season can/ should be salvaged (sorry to young posters). It’s not a matter of changing coaches, positions, or juggling lines. Nor do other teams want to trade for our cast offs. We’re losing because we don’t have the personnel needed to compete; we aren’t even a playoff dark-horse.

    IMHO (been saying it for months), the best thing we can do for this team, in-terms of winning a cup someday, would be to trade Markov. For the simple reason that he’s the only vet that has real value! Considering recent deadline deals for over the hill d-men (Kaberle, Rivet), we may be able to get a good offensive prospect from the 2011 or 12 draft who could join our core for the next 10 years. Markov is great on the PP, but is below-average defensively and soft as a Diaz. Plus, how would re-signing him help??? He is declining, we are a few years a way from contention, and he’ll be 38 by then!!!

    It may result in an immediate tank, I mean beyond 8th place, and that would also be great for the habs. We are not, and won’t be any time soon, a cup contender!!! High end picks are essential to building a winner (Sure, add free agents too (judiciously)).
    Need proof?

    Recent cup winners, minus the Detroit anomaly, and their tank seasons (by conference placing):

    2007- Anaheim: 2001(15th), 2002(13th), 2004(12th)

    2009- Pittsburgh: 2002(12th), 2003(14th), 2004(15th), 2006(15th)

    2010 & 2013: Chicago: 2001(12th), 2003(9th), 2004(15th),
    2006(14th), 2007(13th), 2008(10th)

    2011: Boston: 2001(10th), 2006(13th), 2007(13th)

    2012: L.A.: 2003(10th), 2004(11th), 2006(14th), 2007(13th),

    I doubt that their fans are bemoaning those bad years after winning it all. NOW is our time to face reality and get the best assets we can possibly get in return for our aging vets.

    I would much rather watch a group of youngsters struggling to find their way next year than a repeat of our vets hopelessly battling for 8th.

    J.p. murray

  203. formerly known as the hc, 26 January, 2014

    I don’t know what the right answer is, but I do know one thing for sure: No, most of us on here could not do a better job. We are fans. We are fans because we have no clue. Otherwise we’d be in the business. No disrespect intended, just saying.

  204. CJ, 26 January, 2014

    I acknowledged that in my post. I personally know some very, very wealthy people who are diehards. My post wasn’t meant to cast a line in the sand based on where people sit, it was intended to share some first hand information based on my experiences in the Club Desardins section. Again, this is a very small sample.

  205. boonie, 26 January, 2014

    I think the return for Price could be MASSIVE. Hockey people love him.

  206. boing007, 26 January, 2014

    Other NHL teams offer special discounts. The Montreal Canadiens do the opposite. Like George Costanza.

    Richard R

  207. BJ, 26 January, 2014

    Stevie you must be stuck in a time warp. JM has not been here for a while.

  208. kalevine, 26 January, 2014

    Haven’t seen anyone mention what u consider the turning point of that game. Caps are about to be called on a delayed penalty when Eller inexplicably tries to split the defense. Of course he fails but not before his stick goes up into a caps face and he gets 4 minutes. The caps score twice on the ensuing pp, although the first one occurs after the siren. Granted they were playing terribly but this seemed to seal the deal, and was a stupid and selfish play. And yes I do realize the team has big problems. Unfortunately they start with the gym and his choices and non choices, which means we are stuck with futility for at least a few more years

  209. third generation haber, 26 January, 2014

    As I stated above, Markov is “the sweetner”. Trading young assets or picks is a band-aid solution to getting us into the playoffs this year. Once we get bounced, and we certainly will, those picks or prospects will be gone for good. Let’s trade Markov for prospects who can help us develop the young core we already have (players currently aged 18-26).

    j.p. murray

  210. frontenac1, 26 January, 2014

    The future of Hockey. Played outdoors before 100,000 paying suckers in 20c weather. Hey wait a minute, 20c eh?

  211. CJ, 26 January, 2014

    Good point regarding Neil. I watched him fight BJ Combreem this week. Neil would normally destroy this guy, yet the fight was a draw, if not an edge for Crombeen. Neil’s play has dropped significantly, however he has given that franchise everything for more then 10 years. I couldn’t stand Neil, but in his prime, he was exactly what this team now needs.

  212. Old Bald Bird, 26 January, 2014

    “It may result in an immediate tank …”

    Intended or not, the tank is already on, so what’s the difference?

  213. RockinRey, 26 January, 2014

    There is never zero trade value. They are still assets. The CH have to wait until things stabilize a bit.

    What is interesting is that I said to unload DD when he started to produce. I dont think he is a top 2 center. I think they need to consider trading Pleky and Markov too!

    You are entitled to your opinion even if you are wrong.

  214. stevieray, 26 January, 2014

    10-4 on that one BJ..!.time warp indeed ( you sound like the wife :) or just p***ed off
    …getting sick of all these 5 year plans

  215. munch17, 26 January, 2014

    Earlier in the season when Eller and Pleks were centering the top two lines and getting decent minutes the team was harder to play against.
    When DD and Briere are centering two of the top three lines we are just too easy to play against.
    We spend so little time in the offensive zone its ridiculous.
    At least Eller can get the puck in deep and cycle the puck.
    The DD – Max show has to end. Certain no meritocracy on this team. Leblanc and Bourny have earned more minutes.

  216. BJ, 26 January, 2014

    Sorry to be sounding like your wife. I’m also hoping to be beyond the eternal 5 year plan. Maybe we’re already in hell and this is our punishment?

  217. jimmy shaker, 26 January, 2014

    I would trade DD, but I don’t think any gm would take this guy, also marky goes before pleks…..I would only trade pleks if it was for eberle and a high pick.

    Shaker out

  218. govenah, 26 January, 2014

    Is the glass half full?
    NO. The glass is MT.

    Consistent Hockey Wins.

  219. Captain aHab, 26 January, 2014

    I really do think the next few weeks will tell us if MB/Molson are still in “get a few playoff games at least” mode of asset management.
    Me skull and crossbones arn’t the only thing I plan on raisin’ tonight.

  220. BJ, 26 January, 2014

    That could actually translate into icy cold beers with that type of weather!

  221. Mr. Biter, 26 January, 2014

    Mr Boone,
    Why not have your administrators (or yourself) do a 3 part poll.
    1st two day poll you pick your choice of the best current available 4 French Speaking coaches and leave a spot for other.
    2nd two day Poll 4 non French speaking coach’s also a spot for other
    3rd two day poll top French Speaking Coach vs. to non French Speaking coach and see who the Villagers prefer.

    Mr. Biter
    No Guts No Glory

  222. boing007, 26 January, 2014

    Pleks is worth more than that. Stop dealing from the position of weakness.

    Richard R

  223. rljmartin, 26 January, 2014

    Are you using Firefox? With it I have no problems….

  224. habstrinifan, 26 January, 2014

    I hate the poop and scoop laws. My dog loves the poop and scoop laws.

    This legislative mandate of 90’s pomposity is BEHIND the new display of aristocracy exhibited by Canis lupus familiaris even in it’s least alpha dog moment.

    As your bitch’s great grandmother used to advise her bewildered puppy, “it’s just sh*T … scratch some grass over it and move on”.

    When last have you seen a dog scratch some grass over it and move on. Dogs today stand there, steadfastly looking at you and awaiting to endorse you as a better citizen once you have pooped and scooped.

    The funny thing is people now elevate their gaze to the world after pooping and scooping with a beatific smile of good neighbourliness.

    We used to augment our heavenly ledger by dropping a bob or two in the Salvation’s army kettle. Now we feel heavenly bound if we have pooped and scooped.

    Which brings me to the Mtl. Canadiens. Hockey they say is a religion in Mtl. So take two unfinished Quebecois and put them in the Shrine of this religion and they become alpha dogs.

    One probably an up and comer extraordinaire and the other rescued from a degenerative slide into irrelevance. They could have scratched some grass over this sh*T and get on with being ordinary hockey EXECUTIVES.

    Put a puck down and stick with hockey.

    But no! They have ignored the leash of their limitations. They have become aristocracy in their own minds and want to make better citizens of every hockey player.

    And we are left to poop and scoop the sh*T.

  225. third generation haber, 26 January, 2014

    I respectfully disagree.

    The youngsters u mentioned are all promising (keepers), but may not quite be ready for full-time duty.

    We finished 2nd last year because it wasn’t a year, it was a half year. It’s the same reason we are collapsing now; small/ soft teams can’t sustain wins over the course of a full season and have no hope in hell in the playoffs.

    If you can’t score 5 on 5 you are a bad team. If you lose puck battles and constantly get out-hit and out-shot, you are a bad team. If your defense is too soft to box out the goal crease u are a bad team. If you have many soft players that are easy to play against (Briere, Markov, Diaz, Cube, Gionta, DD) you are definitely a bad team.

    We have a nice core, but good teams have good line-ups, top to bottom, including talent and toughness.

    We have some talent, but very little toughness. Every team in hockey would love to face us in a playoff series.

    j.p. murray

  226. PrimeTime, 26 January, 2014

    One has to assume MB has a vision for the team and that it has to look very similar to the Blackhawks build. It took 3-4 years and this was after drafting Towes and Kane in consecutive years. I still profess that MB had a mandate to “francophone” this team (MT, DD, Briere) to satisfy public relations. Maybe if things get bad enough the franco fans and media will accept a top tier NHL who may or not be fluent in their language. But this can’t be done until the team in in a better position to win. MT was hired to be fired but finding the right candidate at the right time is the issue.

    “Fans are entitled to express their opinion, but most of the comments on talk radio and on The Gazette’s Hockey Inside/Out website ranged from the mildly uninformed to the outrageously stupid” – Pat Hickey.

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  227. NCRhabsfan, 26 January, 2014

    The turning point in the game was the national anthems.

  228. boonie, 26 January, 2014

    It’s up to our GM to upgrade “basically zero” to marginal. The right team at the right moment of belief or desperation turns a fifth rounder into a second.

    Burke is nuts, but give him credit for creating markets for his players. The Bs give him a first for a washed up Kaberle.

    Mr. Stealth, PG, hated publicizing asset sales. He didn’t create markets. Other GMs were stunned to find that Halak traded.

    MB seems to be doing a better job of building value for his players. At least he lets other teams know they can bid.

    Gionta should be a 3rd (cond. 2nd). Same for Bourque. Briere a conditional 4th. Gorges – a second.

    Individually the returns may underwhelm. Collectively, those extra picks can greatly improve the randomness of a draft.

    Above, 3G habber, talked about other team that tanked and their high picks. Benoit Pouliot was a high pick. Ditto a bunch of other guys who haven’t elevated teams.

    On the other hand, PK was a second. Detroit seems to live on stars picked in the draft’s nether regions.

    Amassing those extra “basically zero” or marginal assets is critically important.

    Let’s not re-live Gainey letting guys walk at the end of the contracts for nothing. You know the players.

    I’ll put up another little example. Francois Beauchemim. We draft him in the third round. Columbus grabbed him off waivers. They TRADE him with Tyler Wright to the Ducks for Federov and a 5th. Toronto signs him and TRADES him back to the Ducks for Lupul, Gardiner and a conditional 4th.

    People get value for OUR players. We don’t.

    To paraphrase an old ditty, “any value is good value, so I took what I could get.” We ain’t seen nothing yet.

  229. boonie, 26 January, 2014

    Then we have to blow this team up, ’cause it ain’t build for this.

  230. boing007, 26 January, 2014

    Geoff Molson is a millionaire who owns a hockey club. Where is his expertise in hockey matters?

    Richard R

  231. rljmartin, 26 January, 2014

    A post worthy of JohnBellyfull’s admiration… Nice scoop!

  232. Mike Boone, 26 January, 2014

    Good one.
    I might have to steal it.

    Mike Boone
    Hockey Inside/Out blogger

  233. twilighthours, 26 January, 2014

    Are we talking about Bergevin or Bergeron?

  234. boonie, 26 January, 2014

    Ottawa traded a first and two prospects for Ryan. I don’t think we’d get that much. I could be wrong. They traded a 2nd and Rundblad (sp?) for Turris. I think that’s more the ballpark for Plex.

    Turris is younger and was less proven.

    I think Plecs gets you a first and a middle prospect. The team picking him up is probably making a Cup run so we’d get their lower first rounder. The lower the pick, the better the prospect.

    I could see him on LA. He’d fit in ST Lou. Chicago would love him. Heck, any team would love him. The real question who is going to pay the most to get him.

  235. HabFab, 26 January, 2014

    @Frontenac – damn those russkies are playing dirty………

  236. mushalain, 26 January, 2014

    Briere just plain does not have it anymore.. Nothing to do with effort, or motivation. He has horrendous foot speed and is no longer NHL caliber. He is done.

  237. HabFab, 26 January, 2014

    I only have nasty and negative thinks to say, so will heed the time honored advise of mothers everywhere and say_____________!!!!!

  238. third generation haber, 26 January, 2014

    ha,ha, I was thinking just that when I typed it.

    j.p. murray

  239. Mike Boone, 26 January, 2014

    I’m with you, except for your valuations. A second for Gorges? Dream on, doppelganger.

    Mike Boone
    Hockey Inside/Out blogger

  240. mrhabby, 26 January, 2014

    It will be interesting to see if MB has a knee jerk reaction like make a dumb trade to satisfy the media and fan base or stay the course.

    I saw some posters actually advocating trading price for pics and players…to funny.

    Is it MTs fault that pieces of the puzzle are missing yet the guy is ripped daily..how would a new coach change anything as the pieces remain the same.

  241. habstrinifan, 26 January, 2014

    There was a poster last night who came up with this very clever line. Hope it’s the same as above else be careful from whom you steal Boone.

  242. third generation haber, 26 January, 2014

    I believe MB wants to build through the draft, like Chicago did, but I suppose it will depend on what Molson directs him to do.

    j.p. murray

  243. RH, 26 January, 2014

    HA! That’s almost as good as the Carbo-Yes/Carbo-No sign from a few years ago lol…

  244. Maritime Ronn, 26 January, 2014

    Louis Leblanc:

    No – he will never be confused with Sid Crosby, yet here is a 23 year old-1st Round draft pick and pending RFA this summer, quite possibly getting one last final look before cutting ties, being traded (good luck) or not even being tendered a qualifying offer and becoming a UFA

    Has that “Look” been one of fairness…when compared to others?

    Since being called up for 3 games, he has played 7:49, 6:01, 6:20.
    A really great way to find out, right? …and it’s not as if he is trying to take minutes from Crosby-Malkin-Neal-Kunitz at this point.

    These rookie call ups ALL play ‘scared-afraid’ knowing that if any little error transpires, they will be pinned to the bench or given a bus ticket.

    Easy proof.
    Leblanc gets 3 good shifts in the 1st period (one of the few to be seen in the blue paint) before being called for a penalty in the O zone where it was clear the defender was holding his stick at the 14:34 mark.

    So how does the present coach react?
    He gives him 1 more shift in the 1st period – and 2 shifts in the 2nd period at the 9 and 18 minute mark.
    3rd period? Throws him to the dogs, with 3 shifts when the game is already over.

    Fair? Then explain this.
    Then you have 1 of the coach’s pets playing center that takes a lazy hooking penalty at 4:05 of the 2nd period when the Habs are down 2-0.
    He gets right back on the ice, tries a half hearted uncaring stick check in the D zone and misses… that DIRECTLY leads to the 3rd Washington goal and game over.

    His pet reward? 10 more shifts for the rest of the game including 1:18 of PP time.

    …and you want to know why this team is unhappy?

  245. frontenac1, 26 January, 2014

    Post of the day amigo! I have two 80lb dogs that produce vast quantities of substance. I also drink alot.

  246. boonie, 26 January, 2014

    ok, conditional second then for Gorges. and Boonie ’cause I live in hockey’s nether region. NYC.

    You guys complain at Stock and Cherry on HNIC. We get Ron Duguay between periods. If you’ve seen him since the ’79 final, don’t bother. he looks like week old cheese left out to spoil. His insights are slightly worse than his appearance.

  247. NCRhabsfan, 26 January, 2014

    I agree completely that it is time to try and leverage some of the veterans into prospects or draft picks. Markov may have the most value, but Gionta will fetch something and Gorges may as well. You never know, the Habs may be able to find a team willing to take a chance on getting Rene Bourque going again (although they may have to eat some of his salary). Go young and go big and for goodness sake, start trying to find an offensive threat.

    I don’t think it qualifies as “tanking” either. The goal is to build a team that has a serious shot at winning championships. Sometimes you have to back up to go forward. The Habs have found themselves in a dead end; time to reverse course and get back on the main road again and you do that by moving the chips with some current value for chips with future value. It’s not tanking, it’s smart management.

  248. mushalain, 26 January, 2014

    Plekanec for Eberle and a high pick? Keep dreaming. It will cost the habs alot more than that.

  249. Mr. Biter, 26 January, 2014

    If all female curlers looked like that and curled in outfits like that Curling Night In Canada would be the highest rated T.V. show amongst males age groups 16-85.

    Mr. Biter
    No Guts No Glory

  250. Mike Boone, 26 January, 2014

    Brilliant, Ronn.

    Mike Boone
    Hockey Inside/Out blogger

  251. third generation haber, 26 January, 2014

    Agreed, I detailed the current cup winners below and the years they tanked. I don’t know how anyone can deny such blatant evidence.

    Also agree with u on the cultural issue. Montreal simply has to have some Quebecois content on the team; too bad it’s become harder to come by in recent years due to a lack of Q talent being developed. It just bothers me that Philly, Colorado, and T-bay are much better at developing Q talent than we are.

    j.p. murray

  252. govenah, 26 January, 2014

    Early in the season I was thinking we should keep Markov at 4.5M or so for two years. I no longer believe. Here is my list of who should be on the block
    Murray if you could get anything it all.

    Bye bye Frankie Bou.
    Let the kids play from here on in.

    And Therrien should go by the end of the season.

    The glass is MT.

  253. Bun E. Laroque, 26 January, 2014

    I would suggest that Therrien’s image is improperly inserted into this painting. He is actually one of the two shadowy figures at the back, the other being Bergevin. The central figure going through obvious turmoil could be any one of a number of players- Subban, Markov, Price, perhaps even Plekanec. Hopefully its Geoff Molson cuz he could initiate some changes.

  254. Mavid, 26 January, 2014

    100% correct..Its so hard to get tickets that when they come up you jump on them..lots of people in line waiting to get their hands on them…maybe not in the case of Montreal..yet..if you don’t fill those seats and you lose money (Sens) your team could be gone to Vegas..then you have nothing..not sure thats what people really want. Its a business..

    Weed Wacker Grandma Smurf

  255. mushalain, 26 January, 2014

    Letting go of Beauchemin was a huge mistake, considering the habs made that move based on choosing Bouillon at the time over Beauchemin.

  256. habstrinifan, 26 January, 2014

    Man I gotta adjust my Olympic viewing schedule. It’s Curling 24/7 now. Those girls in Curling Lululemon.

    Be still my beating heart.

  257. HabinBurlington, 26 January, 2014

    Sound advice.

  258. jimmy shaker, 26 January, 2014

    respectfully there aren’t a lot of guys in the NHL that do what pleks does. You are way undervaluing this guy i think.

    Shaker out!

  259. habstrinifan, 26 January, 2014

    It’s a great scene…appropriate. Edvard Munch, The Scream, 1893.

    We need a good scream.

  260. PrimeTime, 26 January, 2014

    How many “Significant” trades have been in the current CBA era?? How about last years, yawn, trade deadline? Fans here want MB to make trades that will instantly make it better. Sorry folks, that’s not going to happen. The only recent trades I can recall is moving a problem for another’s teams problem and hoping for a better outcome. Can some vets be moved to contending teams to fill a role? Sure but the return will be draft picks, not young roster players with a significant future.

    “Fans are entitled to express their opinion, but most of the comments on talk radio and on The Gazette’s Hockey Inside/Out website ranged from the mildly uninformed to the outrageously stupid” – Pat Hickey.

    º¤ø ¸„ø¤GO HABS GOø¤º°¨¨¨°º¤ø ¸„ø¤GO HABS GOø¤º°¨¨¨°º¤ø ¸„ø¤GO HABS GOø¤º°¨¨¨°º¤ø ¸„ø¤GO HABS GOø¤º°¨¨¨°º¤ø ¸„ø¤GO HABS GOø¤º

  261. monmick, 26 January, 2014

    Nice rocks…

    ~~~> Mathematically eliminated…

  262. Captain aHab, 26 January, 2014

    Crap like that is what really worries me. I’m sure the vets don’t like getting upstaged by youth but when the team plays this badly, the coach should just tell them to buckle the chinstraps and play better. Instead, he punishes the youth.

    This is detrimental in a huge way.

    Me skull and crossbones arn’t the only thing I plan on raisin’ tonight.

  263. Mavid, 26 January, 2014

    All this losing has been very discouraging, I am finally well enough to go and see my princess..spending time with her makes everything better..some of you should give it a try..do something that makes you happy..reset and get ready for Tuesday..something has to give hopefully sooner than later..

    Weed Wacker Grandma Smurf

  264. Captain aHab, 26 January, 2014

    You would get more than draft picks for Pleks. A shutdown C with offensive upside on a contender can turn them into Cup winners pretty quick.

    Me skull and crossbones arn’t the only thing I plan on raisin’ tonight.

  265. PrimeTime, 26 January, 2014

    Please excuse my impaired posting mistake.

  266. GGtheHab, 26 January, 2014

    that episode is on today…maybe they should use it as a training video

  267. boonie, 26 January, 2014

    Thanks for pointing out another flaw in MT’s otherwise underwhelming second go-round at the Habs bench boss.

    So, to summarize… MT:

    – can’t develop young players
    – demoralizes players of all ages
    – forces a system inconsistent with player talents
    – plays line combo roulette for fun
    – pairs our norris trophy-winning D man with a our #8 D man
    – (according to a poster below) was disinterested in the game for parts of the second and third periods
    – drops the F bomb with regularity to tune players out between periods
    – other than lawn bowling on ice, makes sure players hate practices too
    – likely had a hand in endorsing Briere, Murray, Piros and other recent team acquisitions (I’m speculating, but hey let’s pile on — this is fun)

    Can anyone offer a reason other than language why he’s here? Or why MB thought repeating George Steinbrenner’s failure bringing Billy ball back to the Big Apple would work here in the first place?

  268. mrhabby, 26 January, 2014

    MR….all coach’s play there favourite players.

  269. CJ, 26 January, 2014

    Great advice. I’m looking forward to watching the Farmer’s Open this afternoon. Tiger is struggling, while Delaet and Brad Fritsch are on the first page of the leaderboard. Should be great.

  270. Coach K, 26 January, 2014

    Marc Bergevin has stated many times that “character” is a highly valued quality in his world. Well folks, there’s no shortage of adversity here so either way, Bergevin’s much vaunted beliefs regarding “character” come in to play.

    The coach looks like he’s in over his head and is out of answers. Perhaps, just like players, coaches can peak in their careers too. Maybe he peaked in Junior when he was last a winner. His relentless determination to “break” the young thoroughbreds (publicly humiliating them along the way) proves that this is just as much about the coaches ego as it is the young stud’s. A huge mistake, given that the organization is more likely to have those players on the parade route than this coach in 5 years. His job is to teach them how to play within their skill set and not necessarily within his system … particularly if the system doesn’t suit their skill set.

    In fairness to Therrien though, some players are, as the legendary Red Fisher would say, “mailing it in”. The fact is, the rookie call-ups are routinely outplaying and out hustling some vets. Why? Simple, they’re hungrier.

    In the end, those who believe that adversity builds character are misinformed. Adversity does not build character at all. Instead, it reveals it!
    If Marc Bergevin is paying attention, he should have all the information he now needs to make the right decisions regarding the team’s short and long term future. I wish him luck because he’ll need it…

    —When Hell freezes over, I’ll play hockey there too—

  271. boonie, 26 January, 2014

    PS – I’m hono(u)ed you replied to one of my posts. Made my day.

  272. third generation haber, 26 January, 2014

    Oh, my God! Stop being logical! I’m gonna have a heart-attack!

    Are u saying that our goal is to actually win a cup someday, and that to end our 20 year streak of mediocrity we have to commit to a rebuild???

    Many posters will be angered by your long-term vision. How could we possibly pass on the chance to make some desperation trades (lose prospects) and generate some hysteria before bowing-out in round 1 again? If the Oilers haven’t won the cup yet, then the draft is clearly not the way to build a winner; it hasn’t worked for any of the recent winners.

    If this tank is allowed to continue, years from now, we’ll all look back at the 2014 playoffs and cringe at the fact that we played zero playoff series instead of one. We may bemoan the fact that our 2014 draft pick was mid first round, but at least we re-signed Markov for 3 more years so he could end his career as a Hab.

    j.p. murray

  273. boonie, 26 January, 2014

    Hey, we still have the cube. oh, right. we still have the cube.

  274. third generation haber, 26 January, 2014

    Wow! A few months ago, I couldn’t find a single person who agreed with me on a Markov trade. Got my head ripped off for suggesting it.

    j.p. murray

  275. Thomas Le Fan, 26 January, 2014

    As I said last night, that vies for the worst performance by a Habs team, especially in an important game, that I’ve witnessed in my 56 years of following this franchise. Yes we are either a really bad team or a team in search of a new coach or a little bit of both. Or maybe we just miss young Galchenyuk that much? But heck, I think I could have gotten a shut out if I was in Washington’s net last night and that, mes amis, IS HOW BAD WE PLAYED.
    By the way, MT should not have started Price in back to back games. Is this not why we have a decent back up? Anyway, Carey didn’t deserve that “effort” in front of him.
    Besides a dandy by Ovechkin, oh and he doesn’t play for us, there were no bright spots.
    Oh and I think a generic fan’s face would be better in The Scream than Therien’s.

    Hockey isn’t everything … it’s the only thing … except for beer and guitars!

  276. mrhabby, 26 January, 2014

    Agree..have nice day.

  277. Maritime Ronn, 26 January, 2014

    Jeff Carter, Mike Richards, James Van Reimsdyk, Bobby Ryan…..Feb 2008 trade deadline Marian Hossa traded to Pittsburgh

  278. habstrinifan, 26 January, 2014

    Tiger missed the cut didnt he. Another ‘unfinished’ person not coming to terms with himself.

  279. The Cat, 26 January, 2014

    I dont think the habs are a bad team. And I dont think theyve quit on MT; after all this team has had an irreproachable work ethic and MT hasnt been there that long…Maybe its the pressure of being in Montreal that slowly weighs them down and tires them as the season goes, cause if seasons were 40 games, this team’d be up there.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  280. formerly known as the hc, 26 January, 2014

    I venture to say that guaranteed contracts lend to this problem re mailing it In

  281. Mattyleg, 26 January, 2014

    Morning everyone.
    Not a great weekend for Habs fans, but that’ll turn around, I’m quietly confident.

    Two thoughts:

    I don’t support the “I pay good money so I deserve to be entertained” line. It’s sports with real people playing them. When I was acting professionally, not every performance was perfect, some nights were worse than others, and how I or my fellow performers did had nothing to do with the money we earned. The difference with this acting analogy, obviously, is that there is nobody actively trying to stop an actor from performing, unlike in hockey.

    It’s sport, and these things happen, regardless of how much you pay!

    Second thought:
    It was pretty funny how it became ‘truth’ on here last night that Therrien had sent Price out of the room to berate the team for letting him down, and this was basis for more name-calling of the coach.

    Turns out that it was a player meeting.
    But Therrien is still an ‘idiot’ for having done that.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  282. PrimeTime, 26 January, 2014

    Find a team that would give up a high young goal scoring asset that would do that and I say go for it. It doesn’t mean there is one.

  283. mrhabby, 26 January, 2014

    I think there have been something like 15 trades this year due to many teams being up against the cap…the cap rules folks.

  284. JohnBellyful, 26 January, 2014

    Trini knows his poop.

  285. Maritime Ronn, 26 January, 2014

    If he was smart here’s who he would make his “favourite’ players

    Price-Subban-2 Gallys-Eller-Max, because THAT is the future….and play them where they belong

  286. Thomas Le Fan, 26 January, 2014


    Hockey isn’t everything … it’s the only thing … except for beer and guitars!

  287. nickster13, 26 January, 2014

    You know politics are bad when you HAVE to have a quebecois on the team. I am proud of any Canadian boys on the team, I guess their pride stays between the borders, or at least we pander to them that way. Briere was only signed for this reason, sad.

    “I don’t wanna see Maurice tonight, I want the Rocket!”

  288. third generation haber, 26 January, 2014

    Thanks for the advice, and actually, all this losing is giving me an excited buzz in my stomach, the kind I had when I realized we had a chance to draft Galchenyuk. In losing, I see serious opportunity!

    j.p. murray

  289. govenah, 26 January, 2014

    Here is what I think we can get for our cast offs:
    Markov – Prospect and a 2nd rounder 2015
    Gio – 3 rounder 2015
    Georges – 3rd and 5th rounder 2016
    Diaz – 5 rounder or, Can he be sold to the swiss league?
    Bourque – 5 rounder or better to bury him in the minors
    Briere – 3 rounder or a depth guy beefy prospect
    Desharnais – Can he be sold to the swiss league?
    Murray – 3 rounder 2017

    The glass is MT.

  290. Chris, 26 January, 2014

    My advice for everybody looking to blow up the team for the second time in five years is to take a look at the Anaheim Ducks in 2011-12 and 2012-13. The Ducks were abysmal two years ago, very good last year, and have been tearing up the league this year.

    The changes in that roster from 2011-12 to 2012-13 were calculated and conservative, and Bob Murray was rewarded by players bouncing back and continuing to grow.

    There are some players on the way out from this edition of the Habs. I don’t expect to see Bouillon, Murray, Briere, Bourque or Gionta back next season. But truth be told, those changes might be all that is necessary to see the Habs be successful again. Gallagher, Galchenyuk, and Eller will continue to grow as players. Bournival, Tinordi and Beaulieu will get better and become more able to become regular contributors. Players having off-seasons (Emelin, Gorges and Prust) will probably get better.

    A complete blow-up is not necessary, and would likely set the team back. I would like to see more youth worked into the third and fourth lines to keep the team’s enthusiasm level up, and I think the size fetishists out there will be much happier when the team’s 5’10” and under brigade drops from 5 (Bouillon, Gallagher, Briere, Gionta and Desharnais) to a much more reasonable 2 (Gallagher and Desharnais).

    So I’ll just plead patience. If the team sucks for the rest of the season, they get another high draft pick to find another good player to compliment Subban and Galchenyuk as building blocks. There is a silver lining, and it is a nice one.

    In the meantime, I’ve got my Guelph Storm to cheer for. :)

  291. PrimeTime, 26 January, 2014

    i believe the current cba was signed last year

  292. formerly known as the hc, 26 January, 2014

    We don’t have the assets to trade for those kinds of players, unless you want to trade away our only assets… Which means we are plugging all the holes with the same players we need to move, resulting in nothing gained.

  293. third generation haber, 26 January, 2014

    I believe Bournival and Leblanc will fulfill the role admirably going forward, possibly Hudon too. Free agency may give us a better opportunity to land a worthy Quebecer. And, hold your breath, Jeremy Gregoire and Tim Bozon are showing signs of hope.

    j.p. murray

  294. Hobie Hansen, 26 January, 2014

    So for the first time last night the thought crossed my mind that these players may have quit on Michel Therrien. Maybe not enough completely throw in the towel but enough to give a half ass effort and let him hang in front of the fans and the media after the game, at least for one night.

    I think back to the game, was it against TB?, where he didn’t pull the goalie when the Habs were down by 2 goals late in the game. Or recently when Subban was benched for 10mins of the 3rd for sticking up for himself.

    Maybe the players are fed up? I guess it would be pretty hard to confirm it?

    So then I pondered on who could possibly replace him? Well Bob Hartley is in Calgary, I guess there’s Guy Boucher and that’s it? Is there any other French speaking coach with NHL experience out there? Who’s under 65-years-old?

    What a F*&King joke it is that we can only hire a French coach. It’s hard enough to find a good coach in any language. Taking the potential pool of coaches and cutting it from 20 to about 2 or 3 is completely absurd.

    I wish the Montreal Gazette, TSN Radio Montreal and anyone else who has the balls would stand up against this stupidity and bring it to the forefront and start letting it rip.

    All these idiotic French journalists who got their shorts in a knot when Randy Cunneyworth was hired or when the term English coach is even mentioned, should be taken out behind the Centre Bell to have the snot beat out of them.

  295. JohnBellyful, 26 January, 2014

    I know it can be hard slogging for posters here at times but we should be held to the same high standard we expect of the players we cheer for. That is, when the going gets tough, and the posts are unremittingly condemnatory of the team, we shouldn’t let ourselves be overcome by the prevailing doom and gloom but soldier on, our goal a winning attitude.
    Fight off the (reality) checks, the slew foots of slur, the cross checks of cross words, the elbows of exaggeration and egregiousness, the spearing of reputations, and, dare I say it, the high schticking.
    Do as we would have our Canadiens do and forge ahead, our eyes set on the reward that tempts all teams, however distant it seems.
    And never give into despair, which is but the outcome of thwarted desire. Hold onto that dream.
    And while the time right now seems at its darkest, remember this: it’s only 332 days, 13 hours and 35 minutes to Christmas.

  296. nickster13, 26 January, 2014

    Bournival maybe. Leblanc, I think he’s toast sadly. I think the Q is getting stronger now, so maybe in a few years we can get someone worthy. Don’t forget Fucale!

    “I don’t wanna see Maurice tonight, I want the Rocket!”

  297. habstrinifan, 26 January, 2014

    You are referring to ‘last night’. This incident did NOT happen last night.

    The story I posted about was described by Melnick(?) on last night’s TSN690 postgame show. He was talking about an episode from one of HAB’S TV clips. The main names involved were Gallant, Therrien and Price. If you were listening to tsn690 postgame show you couldnt have missed it.

    You may not like the story. But the post as I made it was based on the details as presented on TSN690.

    Edit: Now re last night’s ‘players meetings’ as tweeted by Rene(?).

    I am admitting that the following is my guesswork. I have seen no confirmation that there was a players’ meeting. The players were directed by MB to NOT leave the room… which is why the long delay in anyone being available to the media. I suspect that the tweeter jumped to the conclusion that it was a players’ meeting. I am willing to admit my guess work except on ONE fact. MB did go to the room and tell the players to stay there.

  298. Hobie Hansen, 26 January, 2014

    How do you suppose Briere and Bourque won’t be back? Buyouts where the Habs are still on the hook for a portion of their contracts for several years?

    Certainly no team would EVER trade for them?

  299. Coach K, 26 January, 2014

    Very well stated indeed! You’re a shining example of what I was talking about…adversity reveals character.
    I’m looking forward to a 3+ hr. drive (one way) to Cornwall to take my son to play hockey for a losing AAA midget team that will not make the playoffs. Despite only 2 wins all season, those boys have not quit on themselves or their coaches and like yourself, have revealed wonderful character. I hope you enjoy the time with your princess as much as I’ll enjoy the hockey. These are the things that matter.

    Stay well!

    —When Hell freezes over, I’ll play hockey there too—

  300. Thomas Le Fan, 26 January, 2014

    They may not deserve to be entertained but they deserve a sincere effort from the team they are paying a lot of money to support. I didn’t see one last night.

    Hockey isn’t everything … it’s the only thing … except for beer and guitars!

  301. NCRhabsfan, 26 January, 2014

    Right on, good answer. The Habs are a poor team with a core of young players that give some reason for optimism. They have to replace many of the veteran parts that are not supporting that young core. They also need to find a coach that is better suited for a young developing team. MT is not that guy. He’s a rely on the veterans to the point of distraction guy. He is concerned with wins and losses in a season when no one should be concerned about wins and losses. The focus should be on progress, on player development, on the Gallys improving, the young D maturing. There is no future in Gionta, Murray, Bouillon, DD, Moen, Parros, Gorges etc.

  302. Strummer, 26 January, 2014

    Coaching and player development simply isn’t good enough as demonstrated by how many players have regressed the past 2 seasons:
    Gorges- was a top 4 now a 5-6

    Eller- was starting to come into his own especially when he played on a line with AK46 and Moen- now he’s really streaky

    Pacioretty- way more goals than assists- could be the injuries

    Emelin- could be the injuries but seems to make bad decisions

    Bourque- could be the injuries

    Cole/Ryder – replaced by Briere- talent downgrade here

    Parros- takes up a roster spot playing 3-6 minutes a game.

    Between the injuries and the coaching /player development issues this team has regressed.
    Was the front office team the Bergevin assembled really qualifed?
    Coaches Therrien,Daignault, Jodoin, others like Mellanby, Brisbois and Lefebvre and the rest of the coaching staff in Hamilton?
    Or is it another PR excercise for Quebec born alumni of the NHL and/ or Habs?

    “It’s just an opinion- I could be wrong”

  303. Old Bald Bird, 26 January, 2014

    JT’s take including this: “The Canadiens are in free fall. In their last twenty games, they have three regulation wins. Three. They’ve pulled off four OT and shootout wins to go with those. The other thirteen games are losses. There were close losses, blowout losses and blown-lead losses. However you measure them, though, thirteen losses in twenty games does not a playoff team make.”


  304. formerly known as the hc, 26 January, 2014

    Anyone thinking that we will gain any real assets by trading 1/3 of this lineup is dreaming in Technicolor. Besides that, who do we use to replace someone like Plekanec? True, you must give up quality to get quality, but you don’t move your good players out the door when 1/3 of your lineup is barely of NHL quality, UNLESS you want to go into complete rebuilding mode, which means many more games like we have seen lately.

  305. jrs10069, 26 January, 2014

    another good game for the fire MT crew. team is not playing for him, they want him out and he will be out guaranteed if they lose to carolina.

    what has changed? Team is not trying at all (in the spirit of getting a new coach) and the PP is inept as the opposition figured out to key on Markov.

    You can make moves to dump the garbage but they must be package with some quality.

    Pac, Eller, Emelin, Diaz, Markov could all be in the quality bucket then you drop the others in with them, Gionta, Briere, Bourque, Boullion.

    Easy…worth it just for a change.

    I’ll mention it to Geoff the next time I see him.


  306. nickster13, 26 January, 2014

    Agreed on all counts!

    “I don’t wanna see Maurice tonight, I want the Rocket!”

  307. Hobie Hansen, 26 January, 2014

    Nobody would take Bourque or Briere for free if they had to pay their contracts. Bourque is signed for 2 more years after this one, Briere 1.

  308. Thomas Le Fan, 26 January, 2014

    Okay, okay. But jeez Louise, it gets hard sometimes.

    Hockey isn’t everything … it’s the only thing … except for beer and guitars!

  309. CJ, 26 January, 2014

    I watched the 24CH episode. It occurred before the Leafs game, following the game in Ottawa.

  310. Mark C, 26 January, 2014

    After last nights disaster we can at least find solace that the real GMs of HIO are on the case!

  311. CJ, 26 January, 2014

    You are right. His 79 yesterday has sent him packing. I forget that there was a 54 hole cut.

  312. mrhabby, 26 January, 2014

    Build on the fly is what ur saying and over a 2-3 year period..hard to dump all those players in 1 season.

  313. JohnBellyful, 26 January, 2014

    Ahh, but the taste of success is all the sweeter for the degree of difficulty that went into its making.

  314. habstrinifan, 26 January, 2014

    Thanks. I figured as much since it was the game where MB went rushing down to Price.

  315. 2mins4lookinsooogood, 26 January, 2014

    Great comments as always Chris, and I even suspect you are setting the current floor a bit low.

    “Don’t crush that dwarf Alex Henry, hand me the pliers”

  316. NCRhabsfan, 26 January, 2014

    But it is funny that Habs fans have always mocked Leafs fans for showing up in droves to watch horrible hockey teams. How could they expect Leafs management to put a good team on the ice when they could rake in the dough with a lousy team? we asked. Well, Habs fans, look in the mirror. You have become Leafs fans. 20 years of ineptitude has Habs fans desperate just to make the playoffs. 20 years of forking over top dollar for a worthless product. Pretty sad how far this franchise has fallen. I remember the days when we griped when the blue, blanc et rouge didn’t win by enough…

  317. BJ, 26 January, 2014

    If it came down to a french speaking coach(Roy no longer available) who would you prefer Boucher or bring back Carbonneau? I looked at the replacement in Hamilton with Lefevbre but I just can’t see this guy at the NHL level head coaching job.

  318. nickster13, 26 January, 2014

    Neither! I want Bergevin to shut the racist fans up by saying “we will hire the best man, regardless of language, and if you don’t agree, you are placing your personal political interests above team success”, and then proceed to hire a competent coach with a plan, no retreads, no takebacks. It would be lovely if the guy was bilingual, but he likely won’t be, and that should be okay with people, this isnt the QMJHL.

    “I don’t wanna see Maurice tonight, I want the Rocket!”

  319. RockinRey, 26 January, 2014

    Love her writing. Her assessment is spot on!

    You are entitled to your opinion even if you are wrong.

  320. BJ, 26 January, 2014

    Who is an available English speaking coach that would make the team better? I hear that we need the best coach, ok than who is available?

  321. Hobie Hansen, 26 January, 2014

    I’d like Bergevin to tell the reporters from all the French papers, internet sites, television and radio stations to go buy a French/English dictionary and STFU. And hire the best hockey coach available. Not the 15th best because he speaks French.

  322. CHicoHab, 26 January, 2014

    Randy Cunneyworth

  323. NCRhabsfan, 26 January, 2014

    You also have to look at the question of a players worth from the perspective of the team looking to acquire him. Gio may have huge value to a team that feels like it is one veteran, leader-type player with SC experience away from a deep run in the playoffs. The fact that he isn’t the top three forward the Habs needed him to be doesn’t mean he isn’t the missing piece for someone else. The same is true for most of our vets. Teams will need depth on D; not a top 4 but a guy that can come out of the press box and contribute 10 decent minutes a game if someone gets hurt. The point being many of our players may fill a niche need for a team that has a chance of winning, and they may be willing to overpay if the future is now for them.

  324. Mike Boone, 26 January, 2014

    More gallows humour: https://twitter.com/Dr_Habs/status/427257116387057665/photo/1

    Mike Boone
    Hockey Inside/Out blogger

  325. DadidolizedDougHarvey, 26 January, 2014

    “high shticking” …sweet!

  326. 2mins4lookinsooogood, 26 January, 2014

    So frustration abounds and it will get worse (bad loss coming up to Carolina and then we play Boston) but remember the similar period in 2009

    The reality is the team is out of sorts and need to figure it out themselves in spite of MT’s brain cramps.

    Simple truth; as a winger, Lars Eller is not even an AHLer… Put him with Bourque and LL, add Bournival to the plex line and briere can center moen and Prust.

    Yes, it is that easy :-)

    “Don’t crush that dwarf Alex Henry, hand me the pliers”

  327. piper, 26 January, 2014

    I think other teams have figured out that Markov wears down over a full season and will be worn out come playoffs. He won’t get much more than a mid level prospect or a late second rounder from a team willing to take the chance.
    The Habs should take what they can get because if they resign him they’re daft.

  328. Hobie Hansen, 26 January, 2014

    Peter Laviolette who won the Stanley Cup as a coach in 2005-06. I’d have taken Paul Maurice until he was just recently hired. Simply going back in history, was Guy Carbonneau the best coach available at the time we hired him? Was Michel Therrien the best available coach the 1st and 2nd time we hired him, most likely not.

  329. nickster13, 26 January, 2014

    I would hire Laviolette. He sounds french anyways, making some small minded people happy.
    He has a cup, has experience, I view his failure this season as a blip, as his team had a really slow start more than anything. Work from there.
    The points being, we could pick anybody, and not have to roll the dice on Boucher or Lefebvre.

    “I don’t wanna see Maurice tonight, I want the Rocket!”

  330. punkster, 26 January, 2014

    Hey, which one of you has been messing with my stuff?

    My unicorn is missing his horn, my rainbow is short a primary colour and lens of my rose coloured glasses are badly scratched.

    Just stay out of my room, OK?


  331. Wintercount, 26 January, 2014


  332. Habsbill24, 26 January, 2014

    In the acting world not every performance s perfect but if every performance is bad night after night they eventually close the show and that is where we are now. Do you think the fans that paid the premium prices because it was an optimum game were happy when it was 4-0 and the Habs were out shot 20-3, or do you think they wished they had their money back and were doing something else?

  333. NCRhabsfan, 26 January, 2014

    Sorry I can’t agree with your acting analogy. I have no doubt that some nights were better than others, but I doubt you had a night where you couldn’t be bothered to put on the make-up, decided to use your own lines and generally gave a performance that screamed “Thanks, I’ve got your money and I don’t feel like performing for it tonight!” Last night was a disgrace. Personally I think you pick a vet and send him to hamilton to send a message to the rest of the team. They would be doing suicides today until they puked.

    BTW, in theatre as in sports, if you suck frequently enough, at some point people stop paying to see terrible performances. I wonder how long the Habs can live on past glory?

  334. RockinRey, 26 January, 2014

    This is deeper than the coach. It is the personnel. One line and a hot goaltender might win you a playoff series but it wont allow you to compete over 82 games. Sell off the assets. I would be saying the same thing if they were winning because we all know Gio, Bourque, Dd, Briere would not be contributing to those unlikely events. And now unload Markov and Pleky. Otherwise it will be the same cycle over and over.

    The objective is to win the Cup. Not hope you get lucky every year.

    You are entitled to your opinion even if you are wrong.

  335. boonie, 26 January, 2014

    Arguably, Price saved our bacon (and maybe MT’s too) in the first half. We still see his big saves. The wins are harder to spot. Not his fault. You can’t ride one horse for an entire year.

    The same thing may have happened last year. We’ll for 48 games. We’ll never know how a whole year would have looked. But even Price can’t Carey us forever. He played 39 games last year. In games 1-10 in 2012/13 his save percentage was .915; 11-20 was .906; 21-30, .922 and games 31-39, .870.

    It fell off the cliff he played 30 games last year. It’s happening again.

    His numbers are even more remarkable this year and drop off similarly large; .937, .936, .921 and for games 31-40, .890.

    Equally odd the average shots he faced is going down (now, this doesn’t speak to quality, just quantity). In the first 10 games, he faced 33.3 shots per game. The average shots per game since then is 28.8.

    We need an unworldly Price to revert to our winning ways. Or some other big change.

    Any suggestions?

  336. habstrinifan, 26 January, 2014

    Guilty of this error many many times over and over.

    Only reason I dont anymore is because I have no JOB anymore.

    What’s the error?

    Making too much of your job and thus missing the basics of that job.

    People who, in my opinion, committed this error recently.

    Steve Yzerman. Put the best deserving people on the team. They equated the selection process to Mensa level and Martin St. Louis was left off the team??????

    Michel Therrien. From day #1 he saw himself as more and bigger than a hockey coach.

    Tiger’s Swing coach Sean Foley. You ever listened to this guy. Having gone to a ‘Black College’ in the States he sees himself as a crusader on a Memphis Bus rather than a swing coach.

    Oh yes! Guilty as charged. But I’m in a basement at a filthy keyboard. So that shouldnt count. Unless………

  337. boonie, 26 January, 2014

    English speaking Geoff Molson hired a French-speaking GM to RUN THE WHOLE TEAM. MB should be able to have English-speaking subordinates – like, say a coach.

  338. habstrinifan, 26 January, 2014


  339. Steeltown Hab, 26 January, 2014

    Did Bergevin make great moves this offseason? No. But this team has more than enough to be a middle-to top of the pack team in the east.

    Therrien is a joke, no matter how bad they looked like last night in no circumstance can he put Eller on the PP, actually takes him off his line for Briere.

    A coach who can’t evaluate his own players properly is useless. Notice how whenever the Franchise is successful in “getting desharnais going” the whole team suffers? 60 pt season, last in the conference.


    Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Emelin, Bournival, De La Rose – @J_Perez22

  340. NCRhabsfan, 26 January, 2014

    And there’s the problem, he doesn’t give a fiddlers fart about the future. MT is absolutely and only about the present.

  341. Coach K, 26 January, 2014

    If you mean one-way contracts causing problems then I completely agree. No longer can a GM threaten to send an under performing player back to the minors without financial repercussions for the team/owner.

    I personally think all players should start out with the same baseline contract then have bonuses added in for performance achieved during the season. The bonuses would have to be re-earn-able each season or they lose it and revert back to the base salary. It would be a motivator in another way because the value of their pensions could be directly linked to their best 5 years for example. If that isn’t a strong motivator I don’t know what is. That way I think teams would see more consistent levels of performance from all players night in and night out. It will never happen but it should be considered for the next lock out that we all know is inevitable as long as Bettman is at the helm.

    —When Hell freezes over, I’ll play hockey there too—

  342. New, 26 January, 2014

    The team in 2011-12 was terrible. Two head coaches fired and the GM and staff fired before the end of the season without replacement. Yes, the entire management team was fired without having anybody to replace them. Interim GM and coaches were thrown in with no expectation of being there when the next season started. The team was a cobbled together group of veterans on the downward side of their careers and a few kids.

    Fast forward to 2014. It is the same team for crying out loud. The management didn’t discover any Crosbys in the draft because there were none. No big name game breaking free agents showed up, because there were none to be had. Two kids, Galchenyuk and Gallagher, are the only difference and Galchenyuk is hurt.

    Without Galchenyuk the Canadiens have only one real line. Now there are buckets of what-ifs. None of them matter. If Eller was playing center, if Pac could produce without DD, if DD could be responsible defensively, none of that matters. The coach has to play what he has and the GM can’t kidnap visiting players and keep them.

    8 of 13 in Oct, 7 of 14 in Nov, 8 of 14 in Dec, 4 of 11 and a possibility of 6 of 13 in Jan. This team is playing it’s heart out. They have won so much more than they should have.

    Too many fans and media are only on board during the good times. The last good time was 1993. The next one is going to be awhile away. Crosby isn’t going to appear in the lineup. Shea Weber isn’t going to take Diaz’s place. The team is in the bottom of the league now and it will take a long time to change that. Hopefully when they get up there they will stay for a few years.

    But for right now, this point in time, these guys are exceeding what should be. Fairly matched they would be unbeaten. It just doesn’t work that way.

  343. boonie, 26 January, 2014


    I come back to HIO to read stuff you post. So, take this in the way it’s meant.

    It’s hard to call Anaheim “abysmal” two years ago. They were 34-36-12 for 80 points. Yes, they missed the playoffs. The year before they went 47-30-5 for 99 points with most of the same players. I could argue they didn’t blow things up because they were proven.

    The broad questions for the Habs are — what is our core and can they compete at an elite level.

    PK as reigning Norris man and Price selected to team Canada are core. They are winners at other levels and have proven themselves here. Max, DD (on his better days), Who else?

    Galchenyuk – young and talented but unproven. Ditto Gallagher. Beaulieu, too early to say. I’d love to say Eller, but I don’t think he’s part of the star system (that’s my outlier opinion). Perhaps a key role player on the 3rd line for a contender here down the road.

    Markov, Gionta, Bouque, Moen and Prust should certainly go. Briere, Piros, Cube, Diaz obviously.
    If we’re not elite in the next 2-3 years, then add Gorges and Plecs to this. It’s better to get the returns now then wait for them to get older and for their skills (value) to diminish.

    That’s 11 guys to move. That’s a blow up.

    The next question is who do we want to be part of a winning core. Are they already at the AHL level ? Leblanc? Tinordi? Or is our future at lower levels?

  344. frontenac1, 26 January, 2014

    Had the weirdest dream last night. It’s Tuesday night game time vs Carolina, the Habs file out on the ice,with smiles on their faces and Kirk Muller takes his rightful place behind the Habs bench. There is a standing O. Then on the jumbotron Therrien is seen being chased around by Midgets with butcher knives. I woke up because midgets scare me.

  345. NCRhabsfan, 26 January, 2014

    Funny, when the Habs were great their best three coaches were (in no particular order) Scotty Bowman, Toe Blake and Dick Irvin. Once upon a more successful time coaching skill was the first requirement.

  346. wall2bay, 26 January, 2014

    So you’re saying this is on Bergevin since 4 out of his 5 signings are now the worst players on the roster….exception being Prust.

    And the hiring of a coach who was not the best coach out there on the market.

    Sad part is because the PQ runs this team too we are restricted from hiring a Stanley Cup winning coach such as Laviolette and limited to the Boucher’s and Lefebre’s of the world.

  347. JohnBellyful, 26 January, 2014

    You can’t always predict an outcome even when all the signs are there for a disaster (you might want to fast forward to the last minute to see how it all ends):

  348. boing007, 26 January, 2014

    Reminds me of an episode from Absolutely Fabulous.

    Richard R

  349. JohnBellyful, 26 January, 2014

    BTW, there’s no such thing as a tooth fairy. And Santa Claus is a hoax.
    But the Leafs have won a Stanley Cup.

  350. Coach K, 26 January, 2014

    That would make anyone want to get their rocks off!!
    Just sayin’…

    —When Hell freezes over, I’ll play hockey there too—

  351. Coach K, 26 January, 2014

    Actually, we’re half way to our next glass…

    —When Hell freezes over, I’ll play hockey there too—

  352. boing007, 26 January, 2014

    MB=Alfred E. Neuman.

    Richard R

  353. Captain aHab, 26 January, 2014

    Sitting on aging vets while your team is far from being able to make a deep cup run is bad asset management because they won’t be anywhere near as good when you do make the run and you will have wasted them as assets to speed up the building. I am sick and tired of the “try to squeek in the playoffs and win a bit scenario”. It perpetuates mediocrity.

    To say that there are no trades possible is ridiculous. Some GMs out there will be one against the other for a guy like Pleks. Bobby Ryan was traded for a pretty good return and I would argue that he is more one-dimensional than Pleks (although I would love to have him).

    Me skull and crossbones arn’t the only thing I plan on raisin’ tonight.

  354. RetroMikey, 26 January, 2014

    Blah blah blah blah!
    Always excuses to fire the coach.
    The problem with the team is plain and simple…… They are just not good enough and the fans overrate the players like Eller, Pacioretty, to name a few who just are so-so in playing in the NHL!
    Besides Price and Subban, and maybe Gallagher, who really can play in the NHL?
    Boone mentions fans paying the big bucks to watch this pathetic team play game in and out?
    What about us passionate fans in Ontario or worldwide?
    We want a Cup contender season after season!
    I am not content with where we are heading for this team since 1993 and have been more vocal on this site in 2009 when Bobby panicked and signed those useless midgets to contracts and making us to believe we are changing the way the organization is run and Bobby praising the oh so rated Trevor Timmins as our scouting genus!
    I mentioned dark seasons ahead. Well if we don’t change our ways in drafting players with grit and a physical edge to their game, and you have to be big in Bettman’s world in the NHL!
    If you want to see midgets play, watch the KHL!
    This team will not go very far even if Therrien was to be fired.
    We need to fire Timmins, he absolutely is not drafting players that you need to make a winner in Montreal. Firewagon hockey is a thing of the past in Montreal. I’ve said along to draft big North American players who have some skill but have that grit to play in the NHL game in and out.
    Bergevin must make those trades now. Trade Markov, Plekanec, Gionta, Eller, Diaz, Pacioretty and others to get these type of prospect players and/or draft picks.
    Results will show and in order to build a contender, you need to draft high as well!
    I am not content with the way we stand pat at draft time, also drafting too many European prospects ahead of North American bred players.
    Big is better and teams like St. Louis , LA, San Jose, Chicago and Boston will be contenders for many years in the NHL.
    As for the once proud Habs, what matters to the owner is revenue, good games and bad games during the season and Molson hoping they make the playoffs and perhaps eke out a first round series win. That’s all that matters to him, not a Cup.
    I want a winner in Montreal and I do not see no changes to make this club a Cup contender in the foreseeable future.
    Bergevin should step down and bring the hard working gritty ex-player Rick Dudley to take the helm.
    Just perhaps we need more English only personnel to run this club than to focus on French speaking personnel.
    Yup, dark seasons ahead as I’ve said many years ago on this site.
    This is happening way too often with the club.

  355. Plekasuares, 26 January, 2014

    The coach does just stand there. It may be slightly his fault but this is an NHL team. If you put them on the ice without coach they should have looked better.

  356. Plekasuares, 26 January, 2014

    Fire Jj!

  357. Captain aHab, 26 January, 2014

    I stopped watching hockey for about a decade during the worst of the clutch and grab years before the 2004 lockout because it was boring as hell. I started watching again after 2005.

    If the Habs decide to keep going with the mediocre “squeak in the playoffs every year and something may happen” mentality, I’ll just stop again. I had high hopes for Bergevin but if the next few weeks point to more of the same as we’ve had since 1993, I will likely be done. I haven’t bought any shirts for ages and haven’t seen a live game in forever.

    Add in that the trap is threatening to bring us back to the clutch and grab years and it simply isn’t as interesting as it was right after the 2004-2005 work stoppage.

    Me skull and crossbones arn’t the only thing I plan on raisin’ tonight.

  358. frontenac1, 26 January, 2014

    No Benching after that.Maybe PK should”cry in Mike”s arms” it worked for Gio. Saludos!

  359. Plekasuares, 26 January, 2014

    Lavoilete has my vote

  360. RockinRey, 26 January, 2014

    You hit the nail on the head . Squeak in and hope something happens. For any team to win the cup you have to be lucky but you stand a much better chance if you your team plays consistent and has a better seeding going in.

    You are entitled to your opinion even if you are wrong.

  361. scavanau, 26 January, 2014

    I think you’re a clairvoyant.

  362. cashbagg, 26 January, 2014

    You can blame the coach(es). You can blame the players. You can blame the injuries. Yada yada yada.

    The ones you should be blaming, for the last 20 years, are the suits who “run” this team.

    Face it, smart people do better in this world. Does this team appear to be run by smart people? Call me nuts, but the proof is in the pudding. Habs have money coming out their ears, but all the money in the world can’t fix dumb move after dumb move they’ve made, and will continue to make.

    I’m 38 and I don’t think we’ll be seeing a winner here until my grandchildren are alive. We will however see A LOT of first round exits, ensuring us middling draft picks.

    The Habs are the movie “Groundhog Day”.

  363. cashbagg, 26 January, 2014

    French name. Doesn’t speak a lick though.


  364. dragonwind2000, 26 January, 2014

    The only thing missing is the airline name and flight number: Oceanic, flight 815.

    Defense wins championships

  365. Chris, 26 January, 2014

    I think Briere will be bought out. I wouldn’t look past the possibility of “loan” agreements with European teams.

  366. rljmartin, 26 January, 2014

    All other players must have been doing so great that Leblanc got 6:20 TOI. Excellent, great chance to really show his stuff.

    Remember that MT in the gas industry stands for EMPTY and MB has the same hairdo as the main character in “The Ringer”. Anyone see that movie? Get serious MB, might look good in commercials but really?

    Finally I will only add what is definitely wrong with the Montreal ORGANIZATION… (Notice I did not say TEAM)… the Bell Centre will be SOLD OUT on Tuesday…. That is the problem… I thought Canadians in general had more sense than that…. for example…. if your politicians do squat do you keep voting for them? You can still be a fan without going to the game and it is a lot easier on the wallet.

  367. Chris, 26 January, 2014

    My argument with Montreal vs. Anaheim is that Montreal posted an excellent record last year, so we know these guys CAN play good hockey if they are injury free. That 80 points was good for the 5th worst record in the NHL, so that is pretty abysmal. It was only 2 points better than the Habs truly awful 2011-12 season, to put it into context. Yes, Anaheim had 99 points the year before but Montreal had 96 points the year before so the two teams are more comparable than they appear on the surface.

    Right now, a horrific number of players are playing far below their established norms. That suggests to me that this is more anomaly than anything. Some of the guys are just aging, and those are the guys that will be moved in the off-season. But a core of Galchenyuk, Subban, Price, Pacioretty, Gallagher, Desharnais, Bournival, Gorges, Eller, Plekanec, Prust and Markov is not a bad base. They just need the auxiliary guys to step up.

    As for the future core, I don’t see much in the AHL. Tinordi and Beaulieu will definitely be there, and maybe Pateryn. None of the forwards excite me. Down the road, guys like De La Rose, Collberg, Bozon and Lehkonen probably represent the most exciting prospects, with guys like Crisp and McCarron potentially serving as useful energy players to fill out the line-up.

    The Habs need scorers right now. Galchenyuk, Gallagher and Eller give them three, and they realistically need 4-6 to be considered a contender unless they improve their defensive play all over the ice.

  368. mjames, 26 January, 2014

    I share your concern and agree with some of your points. Specifically I tend to think that Timmons is somewhat overrated. If I am Molson I would spend my money building a top of the line scouting department.


  369. sheds88, 26 January, 2014

    because of their potential, i feel Eller and Bournival would play better and develop faster if playing top six minutes. the less Eller plays, the worst he his. and it kill sme to see bournival getting fourth line minutes. everyone knew the egg line was their best line at the beggining of the year. it’s unfortunate gallagher was taken from that line to help out davey and max.

  370. PeterD, 26 January, 2014

    I’d like to see the 3rd line as…

    Boone asks is the team just this bad or they fire the coach?
    Right now its not an either or question….the answer is BOTH.
    The team has very little high end elite talent, has too many small players, has very little creative forwards, defense is old, slow and effectively useless against 3 lines of attacking forwards.

  371. expat_habsfan, 26 January, 2014

    I agree with your assessment. Beyond Price, PK, (maybe) Patches the Habs don’t have any elite players, bonafide game breakers. Pleks is a really good two way player, Galchenyuk and Eller have potential, and Prust and Gallagher have tons of heart but none is an elite player right now. The rest are really filler or dead weight right now. Georges game has left him, Markov still has the goods but only if his minutes are managed, Murray is too slow for the Eastern conference, and Diaz and Boullion don’t belong in the NHL because their play is too inconsistent. Also if one takes a really critical look this season’s team isn’t very different from the one 2 seasons ago that finished dead last or the one from last season that got literally wiped out by the ‘over powering’ Senators. I seriously believe that this team will be booking tee times when the playoffs start.

  372. Habs_Norway, 26 January, 2014

    Are language an indication of racism?
    And are francos a different race than the english canadians?
    Racism racism racism..
    The spice brand “black boy” had to change their name.
    The candy “China” with a chinaman had to change the logo, not to mention the melasse-product called “negro”, which just means “black” in spanish, derives from the latin word “niger”. Like the country in africa: Niger.
    Just wait, they’ll change their name too, like the Redskins. Racism!

    Say no to visors and sign Emelin for 10 years

  373. oldschoolhockey, 26 January, 2014

    Lot’s of anger and frustration on the HIO. Understandable. Boonie’s right though. We’re stuck between a rock and a hard place. Marginal team, marginal coach, not much on the farm. Still a decade or so before we make some noise.

    Would be nice if we were at least competitive. That we aren’t

    I’m speechless! 20 years and counting…

  374. oldschoolhockey, 26 January, 2014

    Besides, who’s MT kidding or any of the players when they say we’ll see how we perform after these terrible games. They should have been asking that question after they were pasted 6-0 by LA over three weeks ago.

    I’m speechless! 20 years and counting…

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