About last night …

TherrienScream

Did someone forget to tell the players this was an Optimum game?
Ten of the 41 regular-season games your Montreal Canadiens play at the Bell Centre are classified as Optimum.
That means fans pay a premium for their tickets.
A ticket in the Platinum section, down near ice level, costs $253 for a regular game.
The price rises to $418 for an Optimum game.
Way up in the Greys, at the top of the Bell Centre, tickets for a regular game are $51, rising to $85 for Optimum.
That’s a lot of money – especially to watch a Canadiens team whose effort was less than optimal.

The fans in the “cheap” seats stuck it out until the siren sounded on the Canadiens’ 5-0 loss to Washington.

Down in the lower bowl , Red seats – $338 for Optimum, $205 for a regular game – began to empty halfway through the third period.

In his postgame press conference, Michel Therrien indicated his team would not spend much time studying video of their miserable performance.

“That’s a DVD you throw in the garbage,” the coach said. Every team plays bad games, Therrien added.

“What’s important is how you react to adversity.”

Fans reacted by either deserting the Bell Centre or showering the home team with boos, catcalls and sarcastic applause for shots on goal – of which the Canadiens managed NINE through 40 minutes and 21 on the game.

Do the math: The swells in Platinum seats paid $20 for each shot they saw. It was cheaper in the Greys: $4 a shot … and $13 a beer, but I digress.

What a disgraceful performance by the home team.

I’ll repeat a few stats from the Live Blog post:

The Canadiens didn’t record a shot on Braden Holtby until the game was seven minutes old. They had three in the first period, to 12 for Washington. During the second period, the visitors scored four goals and chased Carey Price to the bench before Daniel Brière recorded the first of six Canadiens’ shots.

Shot totals are an indicator, but they don’t convey the full extent of Washington’s domination. As has been the case with a succession of opponents during the Canadiens’ recent swoon, the Capitals cleared the puck from their end, cruised through the neutral zone, gained the Canadiens’ blueline with ease and tossed the puck around the attacking area like the Harlem Globetrotters on skates, setting up wide-open, high-percentage shots they sent whizzing toward Carey Price.

Pittsburgh inflicted similar carnage en route to a 5-1 win on Wednesday. Detroit, minus Pavel Datsyuk, beat the Canadiens easily on Friday night.

But this was the worst.

Riding a seven-game losing streak into the Bell Centre, Washington embarrassed the Canadiens in front of fans who hadn’t seen their team in 11 days and were paying a premium to watch Alexander Ovechkin’s only regular-season visit to Montreal.

In my game blog, I suggested there were only two possible explanations for how poorly the Canadiens had played.

They are either a very bad hockey team that will vie with Buffalo, Edmonton and Calgary for the top draft choice in June. 

Or they’ve quit on Therrien.

At the risk of having a significant proportion of the Commentariat descend on my humble suburban townhouse with torches and pitchforks, I find myself tending toward the first explanation.

In contemplating life after MT, ask youself these questions:

• Would a new coach make Brian Gionta five years younger?

• Would he give Andrei Markov new knees?

• Could he transform Daniel Brière into an adequate even-strength player?

• Would a change behind the bench transform Josh Gorges into a legitimate Top 4 defenceman? Or change Douglas Murray and Francis Bouillon into viable Top 6’s?

• Would the new coach have the surgical skill to make David Desharnais four inches taller? Could he transplant Brendan Gallagher’s heart into Rene Bourque and his gonads onto Max Pacioretty?

Don’t get me wrong.

I’m no fan of Michel Therrien. I think he’s a poor in-game tactician who relies too much on veterans and has done little to speed the development of Lars Eller and Alex Galchenyuk.

At least Nathan Beaulieu is getting a decent shot. But that’s because the D is in such disarray Pavel Valentenko would get a decent shot.

This team is not a Cup contender. But are the Canadiens as bad as they’ve looked … well, pretty much since the November winning streak?

That’s what Marc Bergevin, possibly in consultation with Geoff Molson, will be asking himself  on Sunday.

Fearless prediction: Despite rumblings in the city that are reaching a crescendo, I don’t think Therrien is about to be fired.

But if Kirk Muller’s Carolina Hurricanes inflict another home-ice thumping on the Canadiens Tuesday night …

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Let the gallows humour begin:

What floats even when the water beneath is frozen solid?

The Montreal Canadiens.

 

 

 

 

374 Comments

  1. Besides, who’s MT kidding or any of the players when they say we’ll see how we perform after these terrible games. They should have been asking that question after they were pasted 6-0 by LA over three weeks ago.

    I’m speechless! 20 years and counting…

  2. Lot’s of anger and frustration on the HIO. Understandable. Boonie’s right though. We’re stuck between a rock and a hard place. Marginal team, marginal coach, not much on the farm. Still a decade or so before we make some noise.

    Would be nice if we were at least competitive. That we aren’t

    I’m speechless! 20 years and counting…

  3. PeterD says:

    I’d like to see the 3rd line as…
    Bournival-Eller-Leblanc

    Boone asks is the team just this bad or they fire the coach?
    Right now its not an either or question….the answer is BOTH.
    The team has very little high end elite talent, has too many small players, has very little creative forwards, defense is old, slow and effectively useless against 3 lines of attacking forwards.

    • expat_habsfan says:

      I agree with your assessment. Beyond Price, PK, (maybe) Patches the Habs don’t have any elite players, bonafide game breakers. Pleks is a really good two way player, Galchenyuk and Eller have potential, and Prust and Gallagher have tons of heart but none is an elite player right now. The rest are really filler or dead weight right now. Georges game has left him, Markov still has the goods but only if his minutes are managed, Murray is too slow for the Eastern conference, and Diaz and Boullion don’t belong in the NHL because their play is too inconsistent. Also if one takes a really critical look this season’s team isn’t very different from the one 2 seasons ago that finished dead last or the one from last season that got literally wiped out by the ‘over powering’ Senators. I seriously believe that this team will be booking tee times when the playoffs start.

  4. sheds88 says:

    because of their potential, i feel Eller and Bournival would play better and develop faster if playing top six minutes. the less Eller plays, the worst he his. and it kill sme to see bournival getting fourth line minutes. everyone knew the egg line was their best line at the beggining of the year. it’s unfortunate gallagher was taken from that line to help out davey and max.

  5. rljmartin says:

    All other players must have been doing so great that Leblanc got 6:20 TOI. Excellent, great chance to really show his stuff.

    Remember that MT in the gas industry stands for EMPTY and MB has the same hairdo as the main character in “The Ringer”. Anyone see that movie? Get serious MB, might look good in commercials but really?

    Finally I will only add what is definitely wrong with the Montreal ORGANIZATION… (Notice I did not say TEAM)… the Bell Centre will be SOLD OUT on Tuesday…. That is the problem… I thought Canadians in general had more sense than that…. for example…. if your politicians do squat do you keep voting for them? You can still be a fan without going to the game and it is a lot easier on the wallet.

  6. cashbagg says:

    You can blame the coach(es). You can blame the players. You can blame the injuries. Yada yada yada.

    The ones you should be blaming, for the last 20 years, are the suits who “run” this team.

    Face it, smart people do better in this world. Does this team appear to be run by smart people? Call me nuts, but the proof is in the pudding. Habs have money coming out their ears, but all the money in the world can’t fix dumb move after dumb move they’ve made, and will continue to make.

    I’m 38 and I don’t think we’ll be seeing a winner here until my grandchildren are alive. We will however see A LOT of first round exits, ensuring us middling draft picks.

    The Habs are the movie “Groundhog Day”.

  7. Plekasuares says:

    Lavoilete has my vote

  8. Captain aHab says:

    I stopped watching hockey for about a decade during the worst of the clutch and grab years before the 2004 lockout because it was boring as hell. I started watching again after 2005.

    If the Habs decide to keep going with the mediocre “squeak in the playoffs every year and something may happen” mentality, I’ll just stop again. I had high hopes for Bergevin but if the next few weeks point to more of the same as we’ve had since 1993, I will likely be done. I haven’t bought any shirts for ages and haven’t seen a live game in forever.

    Add in that the trap is threatening to bring us back to the clutch and grab years and it simply isn’t as interesting as it was right after the 2004-2005 work stoppage.

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    Me skull and crossbones arn’t the only thing I plan on raisin’ tonight.

    • RockinRey says:

      You hit the nail on the head . Squeak in and hope something happens. For any team to win the cup you have to be lucky but you stand a much better chance if you your team plays consistent and has a better seeding going in.

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  9. Plekasuares says:

    Fire Jj!

  10. Plekasuares says:

    The coach does just stand there. It may be slightly his fault but this is an NHL team. If you put them on the ice without coach they should have looked better.

  11. RetroMikey says:

    Blah blah blah blah!
    Always excuses to fire the coach.
    The problem with the team is plain and simple…… They are just not good enough and the fans overrate the players like Eller, Pacioretty, to name a few who just are so-so in playing in the NHL!
    Besides Price and Subban, and maybe Gallagher, who really can play in the NHL?
    Boone mentions fans paying the big bucks to watch this pathetic team play game in and out?
    What about us passionate fans in Ontario or worldwide?
    We want a Cup contender season after season!
    I am not content with where we are heading for this team since 1993 and have been more vocal on this site in 2009 when Bobby panicked and signed those useless midgets to contracts and making us to believe we are changing the way the organization is run and Bobby praising the oh so rated Trevor Timmins as our scouting genus!
    I mentioned dark seasons ahead. Well if we don’t change our ways in drafting players with grit and a physical edge to their game, and you have to be big in Bettman’s world in the NHL!
    If you want to see midgets play, watch the KHL!
    This team will not go very far even if Therrien was to be fired.
    We need to fire Timmins, he absolutely is not drafting players that you need to make a winner in Montreal. Firewagon hockey is a thing of the past in Montreal. I’ve said along to draft big North American players who have some skill but have that grit to play in the NHL game in and out.
    Bergevin must make those trades now. Trade Markov, Plekanec, Gionta, Eller, Diaz, Pacioretty and others to get these type of prospect players and/or draft picks.
    Results will show and in order to build a contender, you need to draft high as well!
    I am not content with the way we stand pat at draft time, also drafting too many European prospects ahead of North American bred players.
    Big is better and teams like St. Louis , LA, San Jose, Chicago and Boston will be contenders for many years in the NHL.
    As for the once proud Habs, what matters to the owner is revenue, good games and bad games during the season and Molson hoping they make the playoffs and perhaps eke out a first round series win. That’s all that matters to him, not a Cup.
    I want a winner in Montreal and I do not see no changes to make this club a Cup contender in the foreseeable future.
    Bergevin should step down and bring the hard working gritty ex-player Rick Dudley to take the helm.
    Just perhaps we need more English only personnel to run this club than to focus on French speaking personnel.
    Yup, dark seasons ahead as I’ve said many years ago on this site.
    This is happening way too often with the club.

    • mjames says:

      I share your concern and agree with some of your points. Specifically I tend to think that Timmons is somewhat overrated. If I am Molson I would spend my money building a top of the line scouting department.

      mjames

  12. wall2bay says:

    So you’re saying this is on Bergevin since 4 out of his 5 signings are now the worst players on the roster….exception being Prust.

    And the hiring of a coach who was not the best coach out there on the market.

    Sad part is because the PQ runs this team too we are restricted from hiring a Stanley Cup winning coach such as Laviolette and limited to the Boucher’s and Lefebre’s of the world.

  13. frontenac1 says:

    Had the weirdest dream last night. It’s Tuesday night game time vs Carolina, the Habs file out on the ice,with smiles on their faces and Kirk Muller takes his rightful place behind the Habs bench. There is a standing O. Then on the jumbotron Therrien is seen being chased around by Midgets with butcher knives. I woke up because midgets scare me.

  14. New says:

    The team in 2011-12 was terrible. Two head coaches fired and the GM and staff fired before the end of the season without replacement. Yes, the entire management team was fired without having anybody to replace them. Interim GM and coaches were thrown in with no expectation of being there when the next season started. The team was a cobbled together group of veterans on the downward side of their careers and a few kids.

    Fast forward to 2014. It is the same team for crying out loud. The management didn’t discover any Crosbys in the draft because there were none. No big name game breaking free agents showed up, because there were none to be had. Two kids, Galchenyuk and Gallagher, are the only difference and Galchenyuk is hurt.

    Without Galchenyuk the Canadiens have only one real line. Now there are buckets of what-ifs. None of them matter. If Eller was playing center, if Pac could produce without DD, if DD could be responsible defensively, none of that matters. The coach has to play what he has and the GM can’t kidnap visiting players and keep them.

    8 of 13 in Oct, 7 of 14 in Nov, 8 of 14 in Dec, 4 of 11 and a possibility of 6 of 13 in Jan. This team is playing it’s heart out. They have won so much more than they should have.

    Too many fans and media are only on board during the good times. The last good time was 1993. The next one is going to be awhile away. Crosby isn’t going to appear in the lineup. Shea Weber isn’t going to take Diaz’s place. The team is in the bottom of the league now and it will take a long time to change that. Hopefully when they get up there they will stay for a few years.

    But for right now, this point in time, these guys are exceeding what should be. Fairly matched they would be unbeaten. It just doesn’t work that way.

  15. Steeltown Hab says:

    Did Bergevin make great moves this offseason? No. But this team has more than enough to be a middle-to top of the pack team in the east.

    Therrien is a joke, no matter how bad they looked like last night in no circumstance can he put Eller on the PP, actually takes him off his line for Briere.

    A coach who can’t evaluate his own players properly is useless. Notice how whenever the Franchise is successful in “getting desharnais going” the whole team suffers? 60 pt season, last in the conference.

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    Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Emelin, Bournival, De La Rose – @J_Perez22

  16. habstrinifan says:

    Guilty of this error many many times over and over.

    Only reason I dont anymore is because I have no JOB anymore.

    What’s the error?

    Making too much of your job and thus missing the basics of that job.

    People who, in my opinion, committed this error recently.

    Steve Yzerman. Put the best deserving people on the team. They equated the selection process to Mensa level and Martin St. Louis was left off the team??????

    Michel Therrien. From day #1 he saw himself as more and bigger than a hockey coach.

    Tiger’s Swing coach Sean Foley. You ever listened to this guy. Having gone to a ‘Black College’ in the States he sees himself as a crusader on a Memphis Bus rather than a swing coach.

    Oh yes! Guilty as charged. But I’m in a basement at a filthy keyboard. So that shouldnt count. Unless………

  17. boonie says:

    Arguably, Price saved our bacon (and maybe MT’s too) in the first half. We still see his big saves. The wins are harder to spot. Not his fault. You can’t ride one horse for an entire year.

    The same thing may have happened last year. We’ll for 48 games. We’ll never know how a whole year would have looked. But even Price can’t Carey us forever. He played 39 games last year. In games 1-10 in 2012/13 his save percentage was .915; 11-20 was .906; 21-30, .922 and games 31-39, .870.

    It fell off the cliff he played 30 games last year. It’s happening again.

    His numbers are even more remarkable this year and drop off similarly large; .937, .936, .921 and for games 31-40, .890.

    Equally odd the average shots he faced is going down (now, this doesn’t speak to quality, just quantity). In the first 10 games, he faced 33.3 shots per game. The average shots per game since then is 28.8.

    We need an unworldly Price to revert to our winning ways. Or some other big change.

    Any suggestions?

  18. punkster says:

    Hey, which one of you has been messing with my stuff?

    My unicorn is missing his horn, my rainbow is short a primary colour and lens of my rose coloured glasses are badly scratched.

    Just stay out of my room, OK?

    Still SUBBANGIN’ BABY…
    but…
    ELLER IS STELLAR!!!

  19. 2mins4lookinsooogood says:

    So frustration abounds and it will get worse (bad loss coming up to Carolina and then we play Boston) but remember the similar period in 2009
    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/team_results.php?tid=45&sid=2009

    The reality is the team is out of sorts and need to figure it out themselves in spite of MT’s brain cramps.

    Simple truth; as a winger, Lars Eller is not even an AHLer… Put him with Bourque and LL, add Bournival to the plex line and briere can center moen and Prust.

    Yes, it is that easy :-)

    “Don’t crush that dwarf Alex Henry, hand me the pliers”

    • RockinRey says:

      This is deeper than the coach. It is the personnel. One line and a hot goaltender might win you a playoff series but it wont allow you to compete over 82 games. Sell off the assets. I would be saying the same thing if they were winning because we all know Gio, Bourque, Dd, Briere would not be contributing to those unlikely events. And now unload Markov and Pleky. Otherwise it will be the same cycle over and over.

      The objective is to win the Cup. Not hope you get lucky every year.

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    • JohnBellyful says:

      You can’t always predict an outcome even when all the signs are there for a disaster (you might want to fast forward to the last minute to see how it all ends):
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1Ma3M_C-hY

    • The only thing missing is the airline name and flight number: Oceanic, flight 815.

      Defense wins championships

  20. CHicoHab says:

    Randy Cunneyworth

  21. BJ says:

    If it came down to a french speaking coach(Roy no longer available) who would you prefer Boucher or bring back Carbonneau? I looked at the replacement in Hamilton with Lefevbre but I just can’t see this guy at the NHL level head coaching job.

    • nickster13 says:

      Neither! I want Bergevin to shut the racist fans up by saying “we will hire the best man, regardless of language, and if you don’t agree, you are placing your personal political interests above team success”, and then proceed to hire a competent coach with a plan, no retreads, no takebacks. It would be lovely if the guy was bilingual, but he likely won’t be, and that should be okay with people, this isnt the QMJHL.

      “I don’t wanna see Maurice tonight, I want the Rocket!”

      • BJ says:

        Who is an available English speaking coach that would make the team better? I hear that we need the best coach, ok than who is available?

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          Peter Laviolette who won the Stanley Cup as a coach in 2005-06. I’d have taken Paul Maurice until he was just recently hired. Simply going back in history, was Guy Carbonneau the best coach available at the time we hired him? Was Michel Therrien the best available coach the 1st and 2nd time we hired him, most likely not.

        • nickster13 says:

          I would hire Laviolette. He sounds french anyways, making some small minded people happy.
          He has a cup, has experience, I view his failure this season as a blip, as his team had a really slow start more than anything. Work from there.
          The points being, we could pick anybody, and not have to roll the dice on Boucher or Lefebvre.

          “I don’t wanna see Maurice tonight, I want the Rocket!”

      • Habs_Norway says:

        Are language an indication of racism?
        And are francos a different race than the english canadians?
        Racism racism racism..
        The spice brand “black boy” had to change their name.
        The candy “China” with a chinaman had to change the logo, not to mention the melasse-product called “negro”, which just means “black” in spanish, derives from the latin word “niger”. Like the country in africa: Niger.
        Just wait, they’ll change their name too, like the Redskins. Racism!

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        Say no to visors and sign Emelin for 10 years

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      I’d like Bergevin to tell the reporters from all the French papers, internet sites, television and radio stations to go buy a French/English dictionary and STFU. And hire the best hockey coach available. Not the 15th best because he speaks French.

    • boonie says:

      English speaking Geoff Molson hired a French-speaking GM to RUN THE WHOLE TEAM. MB should be able to have English-speaking subordinates – like, say a coach.

    • NCRhabsfan says:

      Funny, when the Habs were great their best three coaches were (in no particular order) Scotty Bowman, Toe Blake and Dick Irvin. Once upon a more successful time coaching skill was the first requirement.

  22. Mark C says:

    After last nights disaster we can at least find solace that the real GMs of HIO are on the case!

  23. jrs10069 says:

    another good game for the fire MT crew. team is not playing for him, they want him out and he will be out guaranteed if they lose to carolina.

    what has changed? Team is not trying at all (in the spirit of getting a new coach) and the PP is inept as the opposition figured out to key on Markov.

    You can make moves to dump the garbage but they must be package with some quality.

    Pac, Eller, Emelin, Diaz, Markov could all be in the quality bucket then you drop the others in with them, Gionta, Briere, Bourque, Boullion.

    Easy…worth it just for a change.

    I’ll mention it to Geoff the next time I see him.

    jrs10069

  24. Old Bald Bird says:

    JT’s take including this: “The Canadiens are in free fall. In their last twenty games, they have three regulation wins. Three. They’ve pulled off four OT and shootout wins to go with those. The other thirteen games are losses. There were close losses, blowout losses and blown-lead losses. However you measure them, though, thirteen losses in twenty games does not a playoff team make.”

    http://habsloyalist.blogspot.ca/2014/01/not-crisis.html

    • RockinRey says:

      Love her writing. Her assessment is spot on!

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  25. Strummer says:

    Coaching and player development simply isn’t good enough as demonstrated by how many players have regressed the past 2 seasons:
    Gorges- was a top 4 now a 5-6

    Eller- was starting to come into his own especially when he played on a line with AK46 and Moen- now he’s really streaky

    Pacioretty- way more goals than assists- could be the injuries

    Emelin- could be the injuries but seems to make bad decisions

    Bourque- could be the injuries

    Cole/Ryder – replaced by Briere- talent downgrade here

    Parros- takes up a roster spot playing 3-6 minutes a game.

    Between the injuries and the coaching /player development issues this team has regressed.
    Was the front office team the Bergevin assembled really qualifed?
    Coaches Therrien,Daignault, Jodoin, others like Mellanby, Brisbois and Lefebvre and the rest of the coaching staff in Hamilton?
    Or is it another PR excercise for Quebec born alumni of the NHL and/ or Habs?

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  26. JohnBellyful says:

    I know it can be hard slogging for posters here at times but we should be held to the same high standard we expect of the players we cheer for. That is, when the going gets tough, and the posts are unremittingly condemnatory of the team, we shouldn’t let ourselves be overcome by the prevailing doom and gloom but soldier on, our goal a winning attitude.
    Fight off the (reality) checks, the slew foots of slur, the cross checks of cross words, the elbows of exaggeration and egregiousness, the spearing of reputations, and, dare I say it, the high schticking.
    Do as we would have our Canadiens do and forge ahead, our eyes set on the reward that tempts all teams, however distant it seems.
    And never give into despair, which is but the outcome of thwarted desire. Hold onto that dream.
    And while the time right now seems at its darkest, remember this: it’s only 332 days, 13 hours and 35 minutes to Christmas.

  27. Hobie Hansen says:

    So for the first time last night the thought crossed my mind that these players may have quit on Michel Therrien. Maybe not enough completely throw in the towel but enough to give a half ass effort and let him hang in front of the fans and the media after the game, at least for one night.

    I think back to the game, was it against TB?, where he didn’t pull the goalie when the Habs were down by 2 goals late in the game. Or recently when Subban was benched for 10mins of the 3rd for sticking up for himself.

    Maybe the players are fed up? I guess it would be pretty hard to confirm it?

    So then I pondered on who could possibly replace him? Well Bob Hartley is in Calgary, I guess there’s Guy Boucher and that’s it? Is there any other French speaking coach with NHL experience out there? Who’s under 65-years-old?

    What a F*&King joke it is that we can only hire a French coach. It’s hard enough to find a good coach in any language. Taking the potential pool of coaches and cutting it from 20 to about 2 or 3 is completely absurd.

    I wish the Montreal Gazette, TSN Radio Montreal and anyone else who has the balls would stand up against this stupidity and bring it to the forefront and start letting it rip.

    All these idiotic French journalists who got their shorts in a knot when Randy Cunneyworth was hired or when the term English coach is even mentioned, should be taken out behind the Centre Bell to have the snot beat out of them.

  28. Chris says:

    My advice for everybody looking to blow up the team for the second time in five years is to take a look at the Anaheim Ducks in 2011-12 and 2012-13. The Ducks were abysmal two years ago, very good last year, and have been tearing up the league this year.

    The changes in that roster from 2011-12 to 2012-13 were calculated and conservative, and Bob Murray was rewarded by players bouncing back and continuing to grow.

    There are some players on the way out from this edition of the Habs. I don’t expect to see Bouillon, Murray, Briere, Bourque or Gionta back next season. But truth be told, those changes might be all that is necessary to see the Habs be successful again. Gallagher, Galchenyuk, and Eller will continue to grow as players. Bournival, Tinordi and Beaulieu will get better and become more able to become regular contributors. Players having off-seasons (Emelin, Gorges and Prust) will probably get better.

    A complete blow-up is not necessary, and would likely set the team back. I would like to see more youth worked into the third and fourth lines to keep the team’s enthusiasm level up, and I think the size fetishists out there will be much happier when the team’s 5’10” and under brigade drops from 5 (Bouillon, Gallagher, Briere, Gionta and Desharnais) to a much more reasonable 2 (Gallagher and Desharnais).

    So I’ll just plead patience. If the team sucks for the rest of the season, they get another high draft pick to find another good player to compliment Subban and Galchenyuk as building blocks. There is a silver lining, and it is a nice one.

    In the meantime, I’ve got my Guelph Storm to cheer for. :)

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      How do you suppose Briere and Bourque won’t be back? Buyouts where the Habs are still on the hook for a portion of their contracts for several years?

      Certainly no team would EVER trade for them?

    • mrhabby says:

      Build on the fly is what ur saying and over a 2-3 year period..hard to dump all those players in 1 season.

    • 2mins4lookinsooogood says:

      Great comments as always Chris, and I even suspect you are setting the current floor a bit low.

      “Don’t crush that dwarf Alex Henry, hand me the pliers”

    • boonie says:

      Chris,

      I come back to HIO to read stuff you post. So, take this in the way it’s meant.

      It’s hard to call Anaheim “abysmal” two years ago. They were 34-36-12 for 80 points. Yes, they missed the playoffs. The year before they went 47-30-5 for 99 points with most of the same players. I could argue they didn’t blow things up because they were proven.

      The broad questions for the Habs are — what is our core and can they compete at an elite level.

      PK as reigning Norris man and Price selected to team Canada are core. They are winners at other levels and have proven themselves here. Max, DD (on his better days), Who else?

      Galchenyuk – young and talented but unproven. Ditto Gallagher. Beaulieu, too early to say. I’d love to say Eller, but I don’t think he’s part of the star system (that’s my outlier opinion). Perhaps a key role player on the 3rd line for a contender here down the road.

      Markov, Gionta, Bouque, Moen and Prust should certainly go. Briere, Piros, Cube, Diaz obviously.
      If we’re not elite in the next 2-3 years, then add Gorges and Plecs to this. It’s better to get the returns now then wait for them to get older and for their skills (value) to diminish.

      That’s 11 guys to move. That’s a blow up.

      The next question is who do we want to be part of a winning core. Are they already at the AHL level ? Leblanc? Tinordi? Or is our future at lower levels?

      • Chris says:

        My argument with Montreal vs. Anaheim is that Montreal posted an excellent record last year, so we know these guys CAN play good hockey if they are injury free. That 80 points was good for the 5th worst record in the NHL, so that is pretty abysmal. It was only 2 points better than the Habs truly awful 2011-12 season, to put it into context. Yes, Anaheim had 99 points the year before but Montreal had 96 points the year before so the two teams are more comparable than they appear on the surface.

        Right now, a horrific number of players are playing far below their established norms. That suggests to me that this is more anomaly than anything. Some of the guys are just aging, and those are the guys that will be moved in the off-season. But a core of Galchenyuk, Subban, Price, Pacioretty, Gallagher, Desharnais, Bournival, Gorges, Eller, Plekanec, Prust and Markov is not a bad base. They just need the auxiliary guys to step up.

        As for the future core, I don’t see much in the AHL. Tinordi and Beaulieu will definitely be there, and maybe Pateryn. None of the forwards excite me. Down the road, guys like De La Rose, Collberg, Bozon and Lehkonen probably represent the most exciting prospects, with guys like Crisp and McCarron potentially serving as useful energy players to fill out the line-up.

        The Habs need scorers right now. Galchenyuk, Gallagher and Eller give them three, and they realistically need 4-6 to be considered a contender unless they improve their defensive play all over the ice.

  29. govenah says:

    Here is what I think we can get for our cast offs:
    Markov – Prospect and a 2nd rounder 2015
    Gio – 3 rounder 2015
    Georges – 3rd and 5th rounder 2016
    Diaz – 5 rounder or, Can he be sold to the swiss league?
    Bourque – 5 rounder or better to bury him in the minors
    Briere – 3 rounder or a depth guy beefy prospect
    Desharnais – Can he be sold to the swiss league?
    Murray – 3 rounder 2017

    The glass is MT.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Nobody would take Bourque or Briere for free if they had to pay their contracts. Bourque is signed for 2 more years after this one, Briere 1.

    • piper says:

      I think other teams have figured out that Markov wears down over a full season and will be worn out come playoffs. He won’t get much more than a mid level prospect or a late second rounder from a team willing to take the chance.
      The Habs should take what they can get because if they resign him they’re daft.

  30. Mattyleg says:

    Morning everyone.
    Not a great weekend for Habs fans, but that’ll turn around, I’m quietly confident.

    Two thoughts:

    I don’t support the “I pay good money so I deserve to be entertained” line. It’s sports with real people playing them. When I was acting professionally, not every performance was perfect, some nights were worse than others, and how I or my fellow performers did had nothing to do with the money we earned. The difference with this acting analogy, obviously, is that there is nobody actively trying to stop an actor from performing, unlike in hockey.

    It’s sport, and these things happen, regardless of how much you pay!

    Second thought:
    It was pretty funny how it became ‘truth’ on here last night that Therrien had sent Price out of the room to berate the team for letting him down, and this was basis for more name-calling of the coach.

    Turns out that it was a player meeting.
    But Therrien is still an ‘idiot’ for having done that.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • habstrinifan says:

      You are referring to ‘last night’. This incident did NOT happen last night.

      The story I posted about was described by Melnick(?) on last night’s TSN690 postgame show. He was talking about an episode from one of HAB’S TV clips. The main names involved were Gallant, Therrien and Price. If you were listening to tsn690 postgame show you couldnt have missed it.

      You may not like the story. But the post as I made it was based on the details as presented on TSN690.

      Edit: Now re last night’s ‘players meetings’ as tweeted by Rene(?).

      I am admitting that the following is my guesswork. I have seen no confirmation that there was a players’ meeting. The players were directed by MB to NOT leave the room… which is why the long delay in anyone being available to the media. I suspect that the tweeter jumped to the conclusion that it was a players’ meeting. I am willing to admit my guess work except on ONE fact. MB did go to the room and tell the players to stay there.

    • Thomas Le Fan says:

      They may not deserve to be entertained but they deserve a sincere effort from the team they are paying a lot of money to support. I didn’t see one last night.

      Hockey isn’t everything … it’s the only thing … except for beer and guitars!

    • Habsbill24 says:

      In the acting world not every performance s perfect but if every performance is bad night after night they eventually close the show and that is where we are now. Do you think the fans that paid the premium prices because it was an optimum game were happy when it was 4-0 and the Habs were out shot 20-3, or do you think they wished they had their money back and were doing something else?

    • NCRhabsfan says:

      Sorry I can’t agree with your acting analogy. I have no doubt that some nights were better than others, but I doubt you had a night where you couldn’t be bothered to put on the make-up, decided to use your own lines and generally gave a performance that screamed “Thanks, I’ve got your money and I don’t feel like performing for it tonight!” Last night was a disgrace. Personally I think you pick a vet and send him to hamilton to send a message to the rest of the team. They would be doing suicides today until they puked.

      BTW, in theatre as in sports, if you suck frequently enough, at some point people stop paying to see terrible performances. I wonder how long the Habs can live on past glory?

  31. The Cat says:

    I dont think the habs are a bad team. And I dont think theyve quit on MT; after all this team has had an irreproachable work ethic and MT hasnt been there that long…Maybe its the pressure of being in Montreal that slowly weighs them down and tires them as the season goes, cause if seasons were 40 games, this team’d be up there.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  32. Thomas Le Fan says:

    As I said last night, that vies for the worst performance by a Habs team, especially in an important game, that I’ve witnessed in my 56 years of following this franchise. Yes we are either a really bad team or a team in search of a new coach or a little bit of both. Or maybe we just miss young Galchenyuk that much? But heck, I think I could have gotten a shut out if I was in Washington’s net last night and that, mes amis, IS HOW BAD WE PLAYED.
    By the way, MT should not have started Price in back to back games. Is this not why we have a decent back up? Anyway, Carey didn’t deserve that “effort” in front of him.
    Besides a dandy by Ovechkin, oh and he doesn’t play for us, there were no bright spots.
    Oh and I think a generic fan’s face would be better in The Scream than Therien’s.

    Hockey isn’t everything … it’s the only thing … except for beer and guitars!

  33. Coach K says:

    Marc Bergevin has stated many times that “character” is a highly valued quality in his world. Well folks, there’s no shortage of adversity here so either way, Bergevin’s much vaunted beliefs regarding “character” come in to play.

    The coach looks like he’s in over his head and is out of answers. Perhaps, just like players, coaches can peak in their careers too. Maybe he peaked in Junior when he was last a winner. His relentless determination to “break” the young thoroughbreds (publicly humiliating them along the way) proves that this is just as much about the coaches ego as it is the young stud’s. A huge mistake, given that the organization is more likely to have those players on the parade route than this coach in 5 years. His job is to teach them how to play within their skill set and not necessarily within his system … particularly if the system doesn’t suit their skill set.

    In fairness to Therrien though, some players are, as the legendary Red Fisher would say, “mailing it in”. The fact is, the rookie call-ups are routinely outplaying and out hustling some vets. Why? Simple, they’re hungrier.

    In the end, those who believe that adversity builds character are misinformed. Adversity does not build character at all. Instead, it reveals it!
    If Marc Bergevin is paying attention, he should have all the information he now needs to make the right decisions regarding the team’s short and long term future. I wish him luck because he’ll need it…

    —When Hell freezes over, I’ll play hockey there too—

    • formerly known as the hc says:

      I venture to say that guaranteed contracts lend to this problem re mailing it In

      • Coach K says:

        If you mean one-way contracts causing problems then I completely agree. No longer can a GM threaten to send an under performing player back to the minors without financial repercussions for the team/owner.

        I personally think all players should start out with the same baseline contract then have bonuses added in for performance achieved during the season. The bonuses would have to be re-earn-able each season or they lose it and revert back to the base salary. It would be a motivator in another way because the value of their pensions could be directly linked to their best 5 years for example. If that isn’t a strong motivator I don’t know what is. That way I think teams would see more consistent levels of performance from all players night in and night out. It will never happen but it should be considered for the next lock out that we all know is inevitable as long as Bettman is at the helm.

        —When Hell freezes over, I’ll play hockey there too—

    • Thomas Le Fan says:

      +1

      Hockey isn’t everything … it’s the only thing … except for beer and guitars!

  34. Mavid says:

    All this losing has been very discouraging, I am finally well enough to go and see my princess..spending time with her makes everything better..some of you should give it a try..do something that makes you happy..reset and get ready for Tuesday..something has to give hopefully sooner than later..

    Weed Wacker Grandma Smurf

    • CJ says:

      Great advice. I’m looking forward to watching the Farmer’s Open this afternoon. Tiger is struggling, while Delaet and Brad Fritsch are on the first page of the leaderboard. Should be great.

    • mrhabby says:

      Agree..have nice day.

    • third generation haber says:

      Thanks for the advice, and actually, all this losing is giving me an excited buzz in my stomach, the kind I had when I realized we had a chance to draft Galchenyuk. In losing, I see serious opportunity!

      j.p. murray

    • Coach K says:

      Very well stated indeed! You’re a shining example of what I was talking about…adversity reveals character.
      I’m looking forward to a 3+ hr. drive (one way) to Cornwall to take my son to play hockey for a losing AAA midget team that will not make the playoffs. Despite only 2 wins all season, those boys have not quit on themselves or their coaches and like yourself, have revealed wonderful character. I hope you enjoy the time with your princess as much as I’ll enjoy the hockey. These are the things that matter.

      Stay well!

      —When Hell freezes over, I’ll play hockey there too—

  35. PrimeTime says:

    How many “Significant” trades have been in the current CBA era?? How about last years, yawn, trade deadline? Fans here want MB to make trades that will instantly make it better. Sorry folks, that’s not going to happen. The only recent trades I can recall is moving a problem for another’s teams problem and hoping for a better outcome. Can some vets be moved to contending teams to fill a role? Sure but the return will be draft picks, not young roster players with a significant future.

    ********************************************************
    “Fans are entitled to express their opinion, but most of the comments on talk radio and on The Gazette’s Hockey Inside/Out website ranged from the mildly uninformed to the outrageously stupid” – Pat Hickey.

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    • Captain aHab says:

      You would get more than draft picks for Pleks. A shutdown C with offensive upside on a contender can turn them into Cup winners pretty quick.

      —————-
      Me skull and crossbones arn’t the only thing I plan on raisin’ tonight.

      • PrimeTime says:

        Find a team that would give up a high young goal scoring asset that would do that and I say go for it. It doesn’t mean there is one.

        • formerly known as the hc says:

          Anyone thinking that we will gain any real assets by trading 1/3 of this lineup is dreaming in Technicolor. Besides that, who do we use to replace someone like Plekanec? True, you must give up quality to get quality, but you don’t move your good players out the door when 1/3 of your lineup is barely of NHL quality, UNLESS you want to go into complete rebuilding mode, which means many more games like we have seen lately.

          • Captain aHab says:

            Sitting on aging vets while your team is far from being able to make a deep cup run is bad asset management because they won’t be anywhere near as good when you do make the run and you will have wasted them as assets to speed up the building. I am sick and tired of the “try to squeek in the playoffs and win a bit scenario”. It perpetuates mediocrity.

            To say that there are no trades possible is ridiculous. Some GMs out there will be one against the other for a guy like Pleks. Bobby Ryan was traded for a pretty good return and I would argue that he is more one-dimensional than Pleks (although I would love to have him).

            —————-
            Me skull and crossbones arn’t the only thing I plan on raisin’ tonight.

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      Jeff Carter, Mike Richards, James Van Reimsdyk, Bobby Ryan…..Feb 2008 trade deadline Marian Hossa traded to Pittsburgh

    • mrhabby says:

      I think there have been something like 15 trades this year due to many teams being up against the cap…the cap rules folks.

  36. Bun E. Laroque says:

    I would suggest that Therrien’s image is improperly inserted into this painting. He is actually one of the two shadowy figures at the back, the other being Bergevin. The central figure going through obvious turmoil could be any one of a number of players- Subban, Markov, Price, perhaps even Plekanec. Hopefully its Geoff Molson cuz he could initiate some changes.

  37. Maritime Ronn says:

    Louis Leblanc:

    No – he will never be confused with Sid Crosby, yet here is a 23 year old-1st Round draft pick and pending RFA this summer, quite possibly getting one last final look before cutting ties, being traded (good luck) or not even being tendered a qualifying offer and becoming a UFA

    Has that “Look” been one of fairness…when compared to others?

    Since being called up for 3 games, he has played 7:49, 6:01, 6:20.
    A really great way to find out, right? …and it’s not as if he is trying to take minutes from Crosby-Malkin-Neal-Kunitz at this point.

    These rookie call ups ALL play ‘scared-afraid’ knowing that if any little error transpires, they will be pinned to the bench or given a bus ticket.

    Easy proof.
    Leblanc gets 3 good shifts in the 1st period (one of the few to be seen in the blue paint) before being called for a penalty in the O zone where it was clear the defender was holding his stick at the 14:34 mark.

    So how does the present coach react?
    He gives him 1 more shift in the 1st period – and 2 shifts in the 2nd period at the 9 and 18 minute mark.
    3rd period? Throws him to the dogs, with 3 shifts when the game is already over.

    Fair? Then explain this.
    Then you have 1 of the coach’s pets playing center that takes a lazy hooking penalty at 4:05 of the 2nd period when the Habs are down 2-0.
    He gets right back on the ice, tries a half hearted uncaring stick check in the D zone and misses… that DIRECTLY leads to the 3rd Washington goal and game over.

    His pet reward? 10 more shifts for the rest of the game including 1:18 of PP time.

    …and you want to know why this team is unhappy?

    • Captain aHab says:

      Crap like that is what really worries me. I’m sure the vets don’t like getting upstaged by youth but when the team plays this badly, the coach should just tell them to buckle the chinstraps and play better. Instead, he punishes the youth.

      This is detrimental in a huge way.

      —————-
      Me skull and crossbones arn’t the only thing I plan on raisin’ tonight.

    • boonie says:

      Thanks for pointing out another flaw in MT’s otherwise underwhelming second go-round at the Habs bench boss.

      So, to summarize… MT:

      – can’t develop young players
      – demoralizes players of all ages
      – forces a system inconsistent with player talents
      – plays line combo roulette for fun
      – pairs our norris trophy-winning D man with a our #8 D man
      – (according to a poster below) was disinterested in the game for parts of the second and third periods
      – drops the F bomb with regularity to tune players out between periods
      – other than lawn bowling on ice, makes sure players hate practices too
      – likely had a hand in endorsing Briere, Murray, Piros and other recent team acquisitions (I’m speculating, but hey let’s pile on — this is fun)

      Can anyone offer a reason other than language why he’s here? Or why MB thought repeating George Steinbrenner’s failure bringing Billy ball back to the Big Apple would work here in the first place?

    • mrhabby says:

      MR….all coach’s play there favourite players.

  38. mrhabby says:

    It will be interesting to see if MB has a knee jerk reaction like make a dumb trade to satisfy the media and fan base or stay the course.

    I saw some posters actually advocating trading price for pics and players…to funny.

    Is it MTs fault that pieces of the puzzle are missing yet the guy is ripped daily..how would a new coach change anything as the pieces remain the same.

  39. HabFab says:

    I only have nasty and negative thinks to say, so will heed the time honored advise of mothers everywhere and say_____________!!!!!

  40. PrimeTime says:

    One has to assume MB has a vision for the team and that it has to look very similar to the Blackhawks build. It took 3-4 years and this was after drafting Towes and Kane in consecutive years. I still profess that MB had a mandate to “francophone” this team (MT, DD, Briere) to satisfy public relations. Maybe if things get bad enough the franco fans and media will accept a top tier NHL who may or not be fluent in their language. But this can’t be done until the team in in a better position to win. MT was hired to be fired but finding the right candidate at the right time is the issue.

    ********************************************************
    “Fans are entitled to express their opinion, but most of the comments on talk radio and on The Gazette’s Hockey Inside/Out website ranged from the mildly uninformed to the outrageously stupid” – Pat Hickey.

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    • twilighthours says:

      Are we talking about Bergevin or Bergeron?

    • third generation haber says:

      Agreed, I detailed the current cup winners below and the years they tanked. I don’t know how anyone can deny such blatant evidence.

      Also agree with u on the cultural issue. Montreal simply has to have some Quebecois content on the team; too bad it’s become harder to come by in recent years due to a lack of Q talent being developed. It just bothers me that Philly, Colorado, and T-bay are much better at developing Q talent than we are.

      j.p. murray

      • nickster13 says:

        You know politics are bad when you HAVE to have a quebecois on the team. I am proud of any Canadian boys on the team, I guess their pride stays between the borders, or at least we pander to them that way. Briere was only signed for this reason, sad.

        “I don’t wanna see Maurice tonight, I want the Rocket!”

        • third generation haber says:

          I believe Bournival and Leblanc will fulfill the role admirably going forward, possibly Hudon too. Free agency may give us a better opportunity to land a worthy Quebecer. And, hold your breath, Jeremy Gregoire and Tim Bozon are showing signs of hope.

          j.p. murray

          • nickster13 says:

            Bournival maybe. Leblanc, I think he’s toast sadly. I think the Q is getting stronger now, so maybe in a few years we can get someone worthy. Don’t forget Fucale!

            “I don’t wanna see Maurice tonight, I want the Rocket!”

  41. habstrinifan says:

    I hate the poop and scoop laws. My dog loves the poop and scoop laws.

    This legislative mandate of 90’s pomposity is BEHIND the new display of aristocracy exhibited by Canis lupus familiaris even in it’s least alpha dog moment.

    As your bitch’s great grandmother used to advise her bewildered puppy, “it’s just sh*T … scratch some grass over it and move on”.

    When last have you seen a dog scratch some grass over it and move on. Dogs today stand there, steadfastly looking at you and awaiting to endorse you as a better citizen once you have pooped and scooped.

    The funny thing is people now elevate their gaze to the world after pooping and scooping with a beatific smile of good neighbourliness.

    We used to augment our heavenly ledger by dropping a bob or two in the Salvation’s army kettle. Now we feel heavenly bound if we have pooped and scooped.

    Which brings me to the Mtl. Canadiens. Hockey they say is a religion in Mtl. So take two unfinished Quebecois and put them in the Shrine of this religion and they become alpha dogs.

    One probably an up and comer extraordinaire and the other rescued from a degenerative slide into irrelevance. They could have scratched some grass over this sh*T and get on with being ordinary hockey EXECUTIVES.

    Put a puck down and stick with hockey.

    But no! They have ignored the leash of their limitations. They have become aristocracy in their own minds and want to make better citizens of every hockey player.

    And we are left to poop and scoop the sh*T.

  42. Mr. Biter says:

    Mr Boone,
    Why not have your administrators (or yourself) do a 3 part poll.
    1st two day poll you pick your choice of the best current available 4 French Speaking coaches and leave a spot for other.
    2nd two day Poll 4 non French speaking coach’s also a spot for other
    3rd two day poll top French Speaking Coach vs. to non French Speaking coach and see who the Villagers prefer.

    Mr. Biter
    No Guts No Glory

  43. govenah says:

    Is the glass half full?
    NO. The glass is MT.

    Consistent Hockey Wins.

  44. munch17 says:

    Earlier in the season when Eller and Pleks were centering the top two lines and getting decent minutes the team was harder to play against.
    When DD and Briere are centering two of the top three lines we are just too easy to play against.
    We spend so little time in the offensive zone its ridiculous.
    At least Eller can get the puck in deep and cycle the puck.
    The DD – Max show has to end. Certain no meritocracy on this team. Leblanc and Bourny have earned more minutes.

    • mushalain says:

      Briere just plain does not have it anymore.. Nothing to do with effort, or motivation. He has horrendous foot speed and is no longer NHL caliber. He is done.

  45. kalevine says:

    Haven’t seen anyone mention what u consider the turning point of that game. Caps are about to be called on a delayed penalty when Eller inexplicably tries to split the defense. Of course he fails but not before his stick goes up into a caps face and he gets 4 minutes. The caps score twice on the ensuing pp, although the first one occurs after the siren. Granted they were playing terribly but this seemed to seal the deal, and was a stupid and selfish play. And yes I do realize the team has big problems. Unfortunately they start with the gym and his choices and non choices, which means we are stuck with futility for at least a few more years

  46. boing007 says:

    Other NHL teams offer special discounts. The Montreal Canadiens do the opposite. Like George Costanza.

    Richard R

  47. third generation haber says:

    I’m in strong agreement with @captain aHab below. He stated that this team has been decimated in recent years by poor “asset-management”

    It blows my mind that some of us still think this season can/ should be salvaged (sorry to young posters). It’s not a matter of changing coaches, positions, or juggling lines. Nor do other teams want to trade for our cast offs. We’re losing because we don’t have the personnel needed to compete; we aren’t even a playoff dark-horse.

    IMHO (been saying it for months), the best thing we can do for this team, in-terms of winning a cup someday, would be to trade Markov. For the simple reason that he’s the only vet that has real value! Considering recent deadline deals for over the hill d-men (Kaberle, Rivet), we may be able to get a good offensive prospect from the 2011 or 12 draft who could join our core for the next 10 years. Markov is great on the PP, but is below-average defensively and soft as a Diaz. Plus, how would re-signing him help??? He is declining, we are a few years a way from contention, and he’ll be 38 by then!!!

    It may result in an immediate tank, I mean beyond 8th place, and that would also be great for the habs. We are not, and won’t be any time soon, a cup contender!!! High end picks are essential to building a winner (Sure, add free agents too (judiciously)).
    Need proof?

    Recent cup winners, minus the Detroit anomaly, and their tank seasons (by conference placing):

    2007- Anaheim: 2001(15th), 2002(13th), 2004(12th)

    2009- Pittsburgh: 2002(12th), 2003(14th), 2004(15th), 2006(15th)

    2010 & 2013: Chicago: 2001(12th), 2003(9th), 2004(15th),
    2006(14th), 2007(13th), 2008(10th)

    2011: Boston: 2001(10th), 2006(13th), 2007(13th)

    2012: L.A.: 2003(10th), 2004(11th), 2006(14th), 2007(13th),
    2008(10th)

    I doubt that their fans are bemoaning those bad years after winning it all. NOW is our time to face reality and get the best assets we can possibly get in return for our aging vets.

    I would much rather watch a group of youngsters struggling to find their way next year than a repeat of our vets hopelessly battling for 8th.

    J.p. murray

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      “It may result in an immediate tank …”

      Intended or not, the tank is already on, so what’s the difference?

    • Captain aHab says:

      I really do think the next few weeks will tell us if MB/Molson are still in “get a few playoff games at least” mode of asset management.
      —————-
      Me skull and crossbones arn’t the only thing I plan on raisin’ tonight.

      • third generation haber says:

        I believe MB wants to build through the draft, like Chicago did, but I suppose it will depend on what Molson directs him to do.

        j.p. murray

    • NCRhabsfan says:

      I agree completely that it is time to try and leverage some of the veterans into prospects or draft picks. Markov may have the most value, but Gionta will fetch something and Gorges may as well. You never know, the Habs may be able to find a team willing to take a chance on getting Rene Bourque going again (although they may have to eat some of his salary). Go young and go big and for goodness sake, start trying to find an offensive threat.

      I don’t think it qualifies as “tanking” either. The goal is to build a team that has a serious shot at winning championships. Sometimes you have to back up to go forward. The Habs have found themselves in a dead end; time to reverse course and get back on the main road again and you do that by moving the chips with some current value for chips with future value. It’s not tanking, it’s smart management.

      • third generation haber says:

        Oh, my God! Stop being logical! I’m gonna have a heart-attack!

        Are u saying that our goal is to actually win a cup someday, and that to end our 20 year streak of mediocrity we have to commit to a rebuild???

        Many posters will be angered by your long-term vision. How could we possibly pass on the chance to make some desperation trades (lose prospects) and generate some hysteria before bowing-out in round 1 again? If the Oilers haven’t won the cup yet, then the draft is clearly not the way to build a winner; it hasn’t worked for any of the recent winners.

        If this tank is allowed to continue, years from now, we’ll all look back at the 2014 playoffs and cringe at the fact that we played zero playoff series instead of one. We may bemoan the fact that our 2014 draft pick was mid first round, but at least we re-signed Markov for 3 more years so he could end his career as a Hab.

        j.p. murray

    • govenah says:

      Early in the season I was thinking we should keep Markov at 4.5M or so for two years. I no longer believe. Here is my list of who should be on the block
      Markov
      Gio
      Georges
      Diaz
      Bourque
      Briere
      Desharnais
      Murray if you could get anything it all.

      Bye bye Frankie Bou.
      Let the kids play from here on in.

      And Therrien should go by the end of the season.

      The glass is MT.

      • third generation haber says:

        Wow! A few months ago, I couldn’t find a single person who agreed with me on a Markov trade. Got my head ripped off for suggesting it.

        j.p. murray

  48. frontenac1 says:

    Hola amigos! Was last night the”selling climax” required to reverse trend? Or was it only the beginning of another leg down? We will know soon. My call? Those players are not as bad as what they have been showing. Something is not right. Why either/or coach and players? Maybe both. Hope Marc has a plan.

  49. jimmy shaker says:

    Who needs to go….

    gio, parros, briere, bourque, bouillon, murray, diaz. Problem with these guys are there is basically zero trade value, so that means in order to get rid of some of these guys the pot has to get sweetened, and the only sweetener that can be added I believe is Eller, gorges and beaulieu, or picks. SO MB has his hands tied it’s very sad to say. Cheers for another 20 years of suckitude and no lord stanely!

    Shaker out!

    Thank you Lord God for fast forward option on pvr’s!

    • third generation haber says:

      As I stated above, Markov is “the sweetner”. Trading young assets or picks is a band-aid solution to getting us into the playoffs this year. Once we get bounced, and we certainly will, those picks or prospects will be gone for good. Let’s trade Markov for prospects who can help us develop the young core we already have (players currently aged 18-26).

      j.p. murray

    • RockinRey says:

      There is never zero trade value. They are still assets. The CH have to wait until things stabilize a bit.

      What is interesting is that I said to unload DD when he started to produce. I dont think he is a top 2 center. I think they need to consider trading Pleky and Markov too!

      ——————————————————————————————————
      You are entitled to your opinion even if you are wrong.

      • jimmy shaker says:

        I would trade DD, but I don’t think any gm would take this guy, also marky goes before pleks…..I would only trade pleks if it was for eberle and a high pick.

        Shaker out

    • boonie says:

      It’s up to our GM to upgrade “basically zero” to marginal. The right team at the right moment of belief or desperation turns a fifth rounder into a second.

      Burke is nuts, but give him credit for creating markets for his players. The Bs give him a first for a washed up Kaberle.

      Mr. Stealth, PG, hated publicizing asset sales. He didn’t create markets. Other GMs were stunned to find that Halak traded.

      MB seems to be doing a better job of building value for his players. At least he lets other teams know they can bid.

      Gionta should be a 3rd (cond. 2nd). Same for Bourque. Briere a conditional 4th. Gorges – a second.

      Individually the returns may underwhelm. Collectively, those extra picks can greatly improve the randomness of a draft.

      Above, 3G habber, talked about other team that tanked and their high picks. Benoit Pouliot was a high pick. Ditto a bunch of other guys who haven’t elevated teams.

      On the other hand, PK was a second. Detroit seems to live on stars picked in the draft’s nether regions.

      Amassing those extra “basically zero” or marginal assets is critically important.

      Let’s not re-live Gainey letting guys walk at the end of the contracts for nothing. You know the players.

      I’ll put up another little example. Francois Beauchemim. We draft him in the third round. Columbus grabbed him off waivers. They TRADE him with Tyler Wright to the Ducks for Federov and a 5th. Toronto signs him and TRADES him back to the Ducks for Lupul, Gardiner and a conditional 4th.

      People get value for OUR players. We don’t.

      To paraphrase an old ditty, “any value is good value, so I took what I could get.” We ain’t seen nothing yet.

  50. BJ says:

    If anyone has not caught the intro ceremonies of last nights game at Dodger Stadium, you should. Man has hockey changed. I was just remembering the start of games in the 1950-60’s, if those players at that era were transported to last night they would have thought to be on an LSD trip.

  51. Eddie says:

    If we took our core and mixed in Bournival, Leblanc, Beaulieu Patteryn, is this such a bad team?

    Were we a bad team when we finished 2nd in the conference last year?

    Were we such a bad team for the first 30 or so games of this season?

    Bad teams do not have Price, Subban, Markov, Plekanec, Pacioretty, Gallagher, Glachenyuk and Eller.

    It’s ridiculous to conclude that this is a bad team. Ridiculous.

    • third generation haber says:

      I respectfully disagree.

      The youngsters u mentioned are all promising (keepers), but may not quite be ready for full-time duty.

      We finished 2nd last year because it wasn’t a year, it was a half year. It’s the same reason we are collapsing now; small/ soft teams can’t sustain wins over the course of a full season and have no hope in hell in the playoffs.

      If you can’t score 5 on 5 you are a bad team. If you lose puck battles and constantly get out-hit and out-shot, you are a bad team. If your defense is too soft to box out the goal crease u are a bad team. If you have many soft players that are easy to play against (Briere, Markov, Diaz, Cube, Gionta, DD) you are definitely a bad team.

      We have a nice core, but good teams have good line-ups, top to bottom, including talent and toughness.

      We have some talent, but very little toughness. Every team in hockey would love to face us in a playoff series.

      j.p. murray

      • NCRhabsfan says:

        Right on, good answer. The Habs are a poor team with a core of young players that give some reason for optimism. They have to replace many of the veteran parts that are not supporting that young core. They also need to find a coach that is better suited for a young developing team. MT is not that guy. He’s a rely on the veterans to the point of distraction guy. He is concerned with wins and losses in a season when no one should be concerned about wins and losses. The focus should be on progress, on player development, on the Gallys improving, the young D maturing. There is no future in Gionta, Murray, Bouillon, DD, Moen, Parros, Gorges etc.

  52. Cal says:

    It’s time for fans to stop showing up and filling the rink. A half empty rink would send a message to the owner and management team where it hurts; their bottom line.
    It angers me to hear that Jim and his son Chris as well as Ian and his son go to a game and witness a demonstration like that. All that for “Optimum” prices.
    The coaching direction this team has taken deserves no support. None.

    • Captain aHab says:

      Will. Never. Happen.

      —————-
      Me skull and crossbones arn’t the only thing I plan on raisin’ tonight.

      • NCRhabsfan says:

        But it is funny that Habs fans have always mocked Leafs fans for showing up in droves to watch horrible hockey teams. How could they expect Leafs management to put a good team on the ice when they could rake in the dough with a lousy team? we asked. Well, Habs fans, look in the mirror. You have become Leafs fans. 20 years of ineptitude has Habs fans desperate just to make the playoffs. 20 years of forking over top dollar for a worthless product. Pretty sad how far this franchise has fallen. I remember the days when we griped when the blue, blanc et rouge didn’t win by enough…

  53. HabinBurlington says:

    Clearly it’s time to follow the model which was so successful for George Costanza, it is time this team do the Opposite.

  54. stevieray says:

    Not sure what is going on with this team …but there are issues
    Maybe JM has lost the room
    Maybe there’s dissention among certain players in the room
    Maybe there’re just wore out and the style they play as well as their physical makeup has caught up with them
    maybe all of the above .
    There is a lot of chatter about trading to pick up 2nd rounders,3rd rounders etc..
    I think maybe what should happen is let them walk …they heck with trading them as we won’t get much in return . By letting them walk we can free up a lot of cap space thus allowing us to get some hard nose players in hear . Especially 2 tough puck moving Dman .
    Just a thought .
    Last nite was painful to watch………

  55. nash_habsfan says:

    Id like to hear what type of players MB should be looking for? What do the fans want to see in our Jersey before the end of the season….

    Do we need to top forward? Who do we give up to get that top forward?
    Diaz, Bourque, Markov, prospect……

    Do we need some more grit?

    With Parros not 100% and Prust doing what he can, do we bring up Tarnasky to throw some bodies around, do we need another big body that can play every night on a 3rd or 4th line?

    Do we get a veteran to help weather the storm?? Maybe the return of AK27……

    These are questions, not my personal opinion of the players we should actually get.

  56. Bob_Sacamano says:

    @Kooch7800: We are absolutely NOT playing the same way now that we did last year. You are right, we have some dead weight on this team and we´re not going to win the Cup this season but there´s still a chance to safe this season and win a playoff series or two. That won´t happen with Therrien though.

    • crane says:

      Lines until end of season or trades take place.

      Borival Eller Gally
      Pac man Plekanec D.D.
      Bork Gally L.L.
      Moen White Prust

      Emelin PK
      Markov Beaulieu
      Tinordi Pateryn

  57. Blade says:

    That was game 52. Game 52 last year was game 4 of round 1 vs Ottawa. The team looks just as tired. Depressing.

  58. ABHabsfan says:

    So how do you not quit supporting your team when they have clearly quit on themselves? Logic tells us that the Habs are surely to win at least a handful more games this season, but the displays of “hockey” we have subjected to recently show nothing to indicate that the Habs will end with more than 59 points.

    “man, I love winnin'; you know, it’s like better than losin’?”-
    Ebby Calvin “Nuke” Laloosh

  59. Dulljerk says:

    My, oh my, this team looks terrible. The Sudbury Wolves could take this team to task.

    No eternal reward will forgive us for wasting the dawn.

  60. kempie says:

    What time is the press conference?

    Surely, there will be a press conference.

  61. boonie says:

    Someone else here said it – actually many people do.

    JM’s style was inconsistent with player’s talents. Eventually, it wore them down. MT is doing the same thing.

    Forget the wins and losses, at the beginning of the season, we played a style consistent with this team’s speed and skill. We carried the puck through the neutral zone, entered the offensive zone with speed and took the game to the other team. Not banging and crashing, but a poor man’s version of firewagon hockey.

    We happened to be winning. The players likely didn’t understand the rapid-fire line changes and odd personnel decisions, but they enjoyed playing. Hey, most players we’re Scotty fans, but he let them play a style they liked and they won.

    For some inexplicable reason, MT changed to a JM style dump and chase approach. The players don’t excel in this style. Add that to MT’s other quirks AND losing and the players are done.

    Molson realized that PG and JM had to go because their style didn’t mesh with players we had. MB should see MT is following the same path now.

    He either has to change everyone — or change the coach.

    Actually, I hope he does both. He already has Bourque and Diaz on the block. He should add Gionta, Markov, Moen and other vets to the list. Picking up a few prospects and picks is a need not a luxury. Let’s not replicate Gainey’s willingness to let assets walk for nothing.

    • Captain aHab says:

      About the dump and chase thing, here’s the problem: once other teams got tired of the Habs running in their zone, they started to stack at the blue line and trap. Then you pretty much have to become dump and chase, which we can’t – or won’t – do.

      —————-
      Me skull and crossbones arn’t the only thing I plan on raisin’ tonight.

  62. newbrunswick troy says:

    so i have read all the comments below and we are all on same page, this team needs some changes ! but what changes can be made ? Price,Max,PK,Plecs are the only players that will yield anything ! looks like the Habs will have to give up some serious draft picks to get some returns and end up eating a lot of salary as well .
    what could we get for Briere or bourque or Moen or ????

    • boonie says:

      At the right moment for the right team, Moen could fetch a fourth (optimistically, a third). Briere a conditional third (likely a fourth). Diaz a fourth or fifth. Frankly I’d hold onto Raph for that return.

      But you’re right. If we need to change, then we may as well made big changes. Price gets a first plus a good prospect or two. If we believe if Fucale (I’m not sure yet), then we should consider moving Carey. Budaj can hold the fort for a couple of (down) years.

      Plecs, sadly, yes. I’d move him. He’s solid. Star players like Jagr love him. He’s the Czech captain. He’d fetch something strong. A first I’d say…. lower first round from a good team looking to add strength down the middle to length a Cup run.

      • Captain aHab says:

        I would trade Pleks before Price as Price is quite a bit younger. Unless the return for Price is gargantuan.

        —————-
        Me skull and crossbones arn’t the only thing I plan on raisin’ tonight.

      • boing007 says:

        Pleks is worth more than that. Stop dealing from the position of weakness.

        Richard R

        • boonie says:

          Ottawa traded a first and two prospects for Ryan. I don’t think we’d get that much. I could be wrong. They traded a 2nd and Rundblad (sp?) for Turris. I think that’s more the ballpark for Plex.

          Turris is younger and was less proven.

          I think Plecs gets you a first and a middle prospect. The team picking him up is probably making a Cup run so we’d get their lower first rounder. The lower the pick, the better the prospect.

          I could see him on LA. He’d fit in ST Lou. Chicago would love him. Heck, any team would love him. The real question who is going to pay the most to get him.

    • NCRhabsfan says:

      You also have to look at the question of a players worth from the perspective of the team looking to acquire him. Gio may have huge value to a team that feels like it is one veteran, leader-type player with SC experience away from a deep run in the playoffs. The fact that he isn’t the top three forward the Habs needed him to be doesn’t mean he isn’t the missing piece for someone else. The same is true for most of our vets. Teams will need depth on D; not a top 4 but a guy that can come out of the press box and contribute 10 decent minutes a game if someone gets hurt. The point being many of our players may fill a niche need for a team that has a chance of winning, and they may be willing to overpay if the future is now for them.

  63. FlyingFrenchie says:

    I blame this on the owner, MB and the people in player development. Even when the Goat was grazing at the Bell Center, there were bad moves made. But he also made a few good ones. MB on the other hand is playing the patient game. Waiting for God knows what? Have you checked out our farm team MARK? The cupboard is bare. When prospects go there they regress. When they go to other teams, they prosper. Why did Molson hire an inexperienced GM? For the same reason he hired a coach that they once fired. The truth is, most of the people posting on this forum could do a better job of running this hockey club. It’s only common sense. Something you will never see from our owner. He only thinks of dollars. In summary Mr Molson…This BUDS for YOU!


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