About last night …

Bjugstad scores

This was supposed to be the easy part of the December schedule for your Montreal Canadiens:
Philadelphia, the Islanders and Florida.
Three games in four nights, which is never easy, but against opponents who are sitting well below the Canadiens in the Eastern Conference standings.
But a funny thing happened on the way to three Ws.
Easy got hard.

The Canadiens salvaged an overtime win on Long Island. But they lost in Philadelphia and at home to Florida by identical 2-1 scores.

And now the Canadiens face Phoenix at the Bell Centre Tuesday night before embarking on a road trip that will include stops in St. Louis, Nashville, Tampa Bay, Florida, Carolina and Dallas.

Any of those games strike you as easy?

The team’s problem is not difficult to pinpoint.

The Canadiens can’t score.

They’ve been shut out by the Kings, held to one goal by the Flyers and Panthers and garnered a point on Long Island despite failing to score in regulation against the most porous defence in the NHL.

On Sunday I watched two sports events featuring my favourite teams.

Liverpool, which had not an English Premier League match at White Hart Lane in five years, scored five times in the span of 71 minutes to trounce Tottenham Hotspur 5-0.

On this side of the Atlantic Ocean, the Montreal Canadiens have scored  five goals over their last 300 minutes of regulation-time hockey.

This team needs Luis Suarez on the power play.

Or Alex Galchenyuk when the goaltender is on the bench for an extra atttacker.

Galchenyuk, who had scored the Canadiens’ last three regulation-time goals, was not on the ice Sunday night as the Canadiens pressed for an equalizer to salvage at least at least a point from a dismal evening.

P.K. Subban and Andrei Markov were on. So were Tomas Plekanec, David Desharnais, Max Pacioretty and Brendan Gallagher.

No Galchenyuk.

But his buddy Gallagher, who hasn’t scored since Nov. 27 and looked, for most of his shifts against the Panthers, like an undersized forward on whom a compressed schedule may be beginning to take its toll.

I admit that’s nit-picking. Gallagher has the heart of a lion, and Michel Therrien probably wanted a forward who would happily engage Florida goaltender Scott Clemmensen as the seconds ticked down.

At least the coach didn’t use Daniel Brière.

It’s not like the Canadiens are blessed with a roster full of snipers. The goal drought has highlighted that deficiency.

But the list of lacuna goes beyond scoring.

The Canadiens are not generating good chances.

Odd-man rushes? Tic-tac-toe passing plays? Speed through the neutral zone?

All have gone MIA.

The Canadiens had 18 shots on goal against Florida.

In their own barn.


Unless P.K. Subban or, against Florida at least, David Desharnais is carrying the puck, the Canadiens labour to gain possession in the offensive zone. Dump-ins, ineffectual retrievals – usually against defencemen who are bigger than attacking Canadiens forwards – maybe a shot on goal but usually one and done.

On a snow-gripped day in Montreal, we saw no flurries of offence at the Bell Centre … other than those last few seconds of frantic action.

The power play was better than it had been on Long Island. The man advantage produced Galchenyuk’s goal, and there was better puck movement to counter pressure on P.K. and Markov at the points.

But with momentum swinging and a 5-on-3 advantage for 35 seconds, the Canadiens attack fizzled. No one in Clemmensen’s face. No one-time snipes from the slot.

Look, all is not doom and gloom.

Florida has been hot, winning five of six, including two over Detroit.

The Canadiens are still third in the Eastern Conference, 11 points clear of falling outside playoff participation.

The goaltending and defence are solid, the latter bolstered by Douglas Murray seeming to have won the sixth D spot over gallant-but-aging Francis Bouillon.

Galchenyuk is having a good sophomore season. Tomas Plekanec is quietly excellent. DD and Max shows signs of coming to life. The penalty-kill is fourth in the league.

This week has days off for practice. And there’s a six-day break after the visit to Nashville.

Nine days until Christmas, it’s too early to panic about the Canadiens or your shopping.









  1. HUDSONHAB says:

    Give Gio, Briere And Georges the rest of the games off til Christmas.
    Let the dice roll and start fresh after Saint Nick heads back north.
    Can’t hurt. May not make a difference either way so why not give them a break.

    Merry Christmas.


  2. Strummer says:


    “It’s Christmas- not “The Holidays”

  3. Stewy.J. says:

    When are we going to see Tinordi and/or Beaulieu back?

  4. DickandDanny says:

    Parro’s is damaged goods? Parro’s never had a concussion in his career until the Orr fight.

    “A cannonading blast from the wing, by Lafleur”

  5. SteverenO says:

    what to do with Murray/ Bouillon?

    While Murray has looked good defensively and been very efficient at killing penalties, he has now been on the ice for 193 minutes and the team has not scored a single goal while the “crankshaft” is out there.

    Bouillon has bee on for 386 minutes and the team has scored a total of 5 even strength goals during that span. An average of less than one goal every 75 minutes. These numbers are not even good enough for a soccer layer, let alone hockey .

    The ONLY way it makes sense to keep either of these guys in the lneup is to pair them with either Subban, or Markov.

    Defence pairings of

    Subban /Murray
    Markov /Emelin

    make sense to me. Everyone except Subban should be given off at least one game in every stretch of 20 games which would give the 7th defenseman (Bouillon) sufficient playing time time to stay “sharp”


    Steve O.

    • Timo says:

      I don’t think the Habs lack of offense has anything to do with either player. Come one. If your #6 D is the reason team is not scoring, that team is good for nothing. (which it is).

      As far as I am concerned keep Murray in and Bouillon as #7 unless there are injuries.

    • Strummer says:

      I think you’re onto something. We aren’t getting any goals from our D other than PK and Markov.
      In terms of goals by defensemen by team- Habs rank well below the top teams like the Hawks, Blues and Bruins.

      “It’s Christmas- not “The Holidays”

    • Stevie.Ray says:

      They haven’t scored when Murray is on the ice because the puck is always in our end when he is on the ice

  6. Bripro says:

    Everyone here gets peeved and riled up when the talk turns to PK not making the Olympic team.
    “Racism!” is shouted out for those who want to hear it.
    Yet DD, who has done nothing in the last month except collect 10 points in 9 games and has helped Max turn his game around, is still chastised.
    Max has collected a whole 2 points more than DD in that time period.
    Gally (I love that kid) has 4 points in that period and none (except for Max) has collected more.
    Yet, the trade talks continue. “Dump him! Ridiculous contract! Smurf!”
    and the idiosyncratic comments continue.
    All I have to say to that is “Sizeism!!!”

    • Timo says:

      So I am … “sizist”?

    • Cal says:

      If DD isn’t scoring points, he isn’t effective. He can’t check and isn’t fast and doesn’t go hard to the net. Patches is big and fast and has a good, quick release. Unfortunately, his lack of hockey sense- or low hockey IQ- limits how well he can play. Having Gallagher be the one who creates space for these two is ludicrous. Patches should be that guy.
      If DD were alone on the team, his stature wouldn’t matter so much. Add 3 more just like him and therein lies the problem.

  7. Sportfan says:

    So much negativity lol imagine if the players read half the stuff.

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  8. SteverenO says:

    It would be great to be able to judge just how good. or bad, this team really is, but when the coach is not capable of playing the most productive, and effective players in the proper situations it is very hard to assess the teams potential.

    If we could simply manage the ice time in a rational way by

    a) playing the clearly most effective PP unit (Subban, Markov,Gionta, Plekanec , and XXXXXX) for a minimum of 50% of the PP time.

    b) Keeping lines (27/81/11- 49/14/21 – 67/51/8 that are successful working together,

    c) using Briere for the second wave as a CENTER where he has excelled his whole career) on the PP

    d) utilize a forward on the second wave of the PP

    e) splitting up Markov and Subban

    f) playing Gallagher when shorthanded; especially when behind in the game)

    g) rationing ice time for the older players so they don’t become “fatigued”

    Maybe,if he did those things we might get an indication of how this team stacks up

    I, for one, frankly am sick and tired of hearing that the team is too small to compete. The size of the team is NOT the problem.We do not lose because we are not big enough we lose because we don’t score enough.


    Steve O.

    • Eddie says:

      I agree with all but D, because we do not have that type of forward who could pull it off.

      The 2nd wave power play leads right into a 5 on 5 situation.

      Not a good idea to have 4 forwards on the ice 5 on 5

      • SteverenO says:

        Eller? Pacioretty? Galchenyuk? Briere? Desharnais?

        Do you think we may score , more than once every 20 minutes on the PP with one of those guys back there?

        As far as defense AFTER the PowerPlay it make little sense to “sacrifice” against giving up a goal..
        What about when the team is trailing by two or more goals.. should we give up the last 30 seconds of our PP to be sure we don’t get scored on?
        Maybe we should just decline the penalities altogether?


        Steve O.

  9. Sportfan says:

    Ottawa took Kevin Glen, really?

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  10. Timo says:

    What happened to Briere has requested a trade rumour? Was it just a tease? Was it? Sigh.

  11. Eddie says:

    Boggles the mind that Bergevin, who played for almost 20 years as a hard nosed lower tiered player, would go and extend Desharnais for 4 years and then sign Briere for 8 million.

    If you think his vision was not clouded by the fact that these two are both Quebec born players, then you must conclude that as a hockey expert Bergevin failed miserably to see that both players can not belong in a lineup that already featured Gionta, Gallagher and Plekanec, who are all small type forwards.

    Now Therrien came in last year and we were playing a wonderful, offensive minded, puck control system. Winning looked easy for this team. So Therrien goes and changes to a dump and chase? Why?

    Seriously folks, you can call me whatever names you choose, but this team could be a serious contender for the Cup, and I believe or GM and our coach are absolutely blowing it.

  12. chemic says:

    this team needs a lot but for sure not a classless racist idiot type of guy like Luis Suarez is!! i dont get that double standard by Boone of bashing the classless broons and the mean laffs but still rooting for an a**hole like Suarez.

    • Strummer says:

      Who’s the biggest A-hole in the NHL?
      Marchand? Phaneuf? Whoever- would you not cheer for them if they were on the Habs?
      That’s why a player like Suarez frustrates Liverpool supporters.

      “It’s Christmas- not “The Holidays”

  13. HabinBurlington says:

    Has the team now hit rock bottom? If so things can only get better right? ( I have no reason to believe in either statement, but just thought I would type that 🙂 )

  14. habsguru says:

    i have posted (too many times) that having Parros on the bench was insurance, and prevented bruin like thugs from taking liberties. well not the insurance coverage is insufficient. nobody will be worried about him. very unfortunate, but it is a business. he had his audition, and failed. too bad seems like a great guy.

  15. RiverviewCanadien says:

    The view from my couch the past few game nights has not been very exciting (well the booze is still great and makes things exciting at times, then I realize it’s just the booze). But it really grinds my gears when certain players are given every opportunity to succeed but can’t. When players deserving of those opportunities are cast aside.

    For crying out loud when that 5-3 was about to start last night, I kept saying “don’t put out Max and Davie”, sure enough Therrien does just that. I was ripping that Eller and/or Galchenyuk were not on the ice. And to keep Chucky on the bench at the end…mind = blown…

    Desharnais and Pacioretty…yes, they are BOTH in a funk, but placing them in situations where they should be succeeding and they are not time and time and time again makes no sense to continue to reward them at this point.

    You want those guys to snap out of it…make them work for their ice time. Give those situations and man advantages to Eller, and Chucky and Bournival and Pleks. And Therrien should be using Brière more since Bergervin pays him enough!

    Folks, it’s Bushmills time, and that’ll keep ya warm!

    • Thomas Le Fan says:

      Drinking has been my favourite part of the last few games, as well. The Packers’ comeback was a delight yesterday though. Spending the winter in Central Wisconsin, I’m developing a taste for Spotted Cow Ale and hating the hockey coverage on Center Ice. The Panther broadcast team was only slightly better than Phillies and that’s not saying much. Makes one yearn for Bob Cole and Don Cherry, for heaven’s sake!

      There is no crying in baseball, “i” in team or “chuck” in Galchenyuk but … there is fighting in hockey.

  16. homerbowen says:

    Some of my concerns going forward are;
    Briere…………………past his prime
    Boullion………………past his prime
    Gionta………………..past his prime
    DD…………………….career AHL’er
    Bourque………………big body but basically useless
    Moen………………….big body seems to lack interest
    Parros…………………past his prime
    MT……………………..poor decisions, career AHL’er
    The above, in my opinion, are holding us back from being contenders never mind being serious contenders.
    While I’m not keen on enforcers in our division it is necessary just to survive (keep hospital visits to a minimum). Our last 2 enforcers GL and Parros had great records when younger but came to us with flaws (GL reborn pacifist) and Parros (damaged goods). Somehow I feel MG must address this soon (before we play the Laffs or Boston).

  17. Hobie Hansen says:

    Montreal can simply not crack the defence of the teams we’ve been playing and are unable to get to the net, period.

    Gachenyuk, Pacioretty and Eller are the only guys I see out there that are able to put their shoulders down and try and drive to the net.

    All I want for Christmas is a trade that sends two smurfs out of town and at least one 6’2″, 20 plus goal scoring forward, coming back the other way.

    • Cal says:

      3 have to go. DD, Gio and Brière. Don’t care really what the return is as these three can’t compete. I’d rather see Leblanc be given a shot. Maybe, the DD and Patches for Kane trade is coming. Then again, if the Habs need it, the Jets will ask for way more.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        It’s been said 1000 times but I’ll say it again, what the hell was Bergevin doing when he handed those contacts out to Desharnais and Briere!!!!

        Anybody with half a brain said “son of a bi$%h!!!” the moment those two deals were signed!

        I’d rather have Thomas, Leblanc and Tarnasky in the lineup over Briere, Desharnais and Gionta!

      • Mattyleg says:

        Not sure what all the hate for DD is about.
        He’s been one of our most consistent forwards since coming out of his slump, and the only one who has the stones to carry the puck into the zone.

        Why do we want Evander Kane, again? If he can be a distraction in Winnipeg, can you imagine how far off the rails he’ll go in Montreal?

        No thanks.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          The only skaters on the Habs roster that are in the same ballpark as Evander kane are Alex Galchenyuk, PK Subban and Max Pacioretty.

          Regardless of his off ice crap, if there was any reasonable deal that could bring Kane to town you’d be a fool not to jump on it.

          He’s exactly what Montreal needs! He can score, plays physical and is still very young. He could be one of the top players in the league down the road!

  18. sweetmad says:

    I am too old for all this doom and gloom,
    I bet they are not happy in the room,
    Anyone would think our guys wanted to lose,
    But this is something, in which, they can’t always choose.

    WJC has got it right,
    We are still third,after last night
    Of course they are tired,athletes need their rest,
    If you want them to come out and give their best.

    So we have lost a bit of our ,get up and go,
    They will get it back, don’t you know,
    Our team,will always try to do it’s part,
    Co’s they have character,and lots of heart.

    Most of you can be,down and out,
    But Les Boys,don’t moan and pout,
    Because the fans expect so much,
    We know nothing, we are out of touch.

    We will make the playoffs,of this I’m sure,
    Our team has pride and so much more,
    What they put up with in the name of sport,
    Anyone else would land in court.

    I will not give up,I won’t be beat,
    This team can still make me leave my seat,
    If the fans stood behind them all the way,
    It would help our team come out and play.

  19. sweetmad says:

    I am too old for all this doom and gloom,
    I bet they are not happy in the room,
    Anyone would think our guys wanted to lose,
    But this is something, in which, they can’t always choose.

    WJC has got it right,
    We are still third,after last night
    Of course they are tired,athletes need their rest,
    If you want them to come out and give their best.

    So we have lost a bit of our ,get up and go,
    They will get it back, don’t you know,
    Our team,will always try to do it’s part,
    Co’s they have character,and lots of heart.

    Most of you can be,down and out,
    But Les Boys,don’t moan and pout,
    Because the fans expect so much,
    We know nothing, we are out of touch.

    We will make the playoffs,of this I’m sure,
    Our team has pride and so much more,
    What they put up with in the name of sport,
    Anyone else would land in court.

    I will not give up,I won’t be beat,
    This team can still make me leave my seat,
    If the fans stood behind them all the way,
    It would help our team come out and play.

  20. vegas says:

    Let`s get serious, we all know the Habs have a decent team, but are probably 3-4 years away fron being serious contenders (that is if everyone pans out)

    Based on this shouldn`t we be fitting the team accordingly
    my thoughts on who should be available and not. Note we wouldn`t be trading them all but they should be available if the right prospect or pick becomes available

    Markov, if the right offer comes, why not? he’s a UFA, will probably want 6 million for 3-4 years. COuld bring us something interesting at deadline. Beaulieu should become his replacement

    Plekanec, I know many of us love him, but again he could probably bring back something interesting. He’ll be less effective by the time we become contenders

    Gorges, see Plekanec. Tinordi should be good to replace him

    Diaz, we can part with. Pateryn is doing well in Hamilton

    Murray, keep him, trade him whats the difference, probably won’t be resigned

    Bouillon, see Murray. He definately won’t be resigned

    Bourque, He will be making 2.5 million over next 2 years. If he comes back strong he could be a good 3rd liner

    Moen, nice guy but in 3 years he’ll be finished. ANyone looking for a vet?

    Prust, a team-mate and fan favorite. keep him but will he be there in 3 years

    Pacioretty, great cheap contract, Keep

    Gallagher, hrd working 2nd or 3rd line winger, all heart. Keep

    Galchenyuk, the present and the future, He will be a beast, love the kid. Keep

    Subban, we better resign him and let him play his game. Keep

    Eller, great 3rd line center whom could develop into a second liner

    Bournival, will probably become a solid 3rd liner. Keep

    Emelin, we need him and he needs to play on the left side. Keep

    White. Love his entousiasm, but not a factor, probably won’t get anything for him anyways

    Gionta, trade him for whatever you can get. WOn’t be back for sure

    Desharnais, out asap please

    Briere, see Desharnais x 2

    Parros, I think he is already gone

    Budaj, hey if we could get something why not

    Price, we keep

    so whats left

    Max Pac / Galchenyuk / ???
    ??? / Eller / Gallagher
    Bournival / ??? / Bourque
    Prust / White / ???

    Emelin / Subban
    Beaulieu / ???
    Tinordi / Pateryn


    With whatever we can pick up from trades, Free agents, and prospects. I think we could easily be just as competitive in a very short time but with a more optimistic perspective.

    Has nothing to do with the current mini slump
    we should trade when we are doing well. I don’t think anyone can seriously think we can do much better with the squad we presently have

    • Cal says:

      Can’t trade Markov and expect Beaulieu to be anywhere near as good as Markov. He isn’t. And won’t be, for the longest time.

      • krob1000 says:

        I agree but how good would Beaulieu, the million dollar player and the draft picks be? I would not trade Markov but I can understand the temptation and would get it if the team did.

        • Cal says:

          I understand the temptation as well, but I want to keep the team competitive. Throwing away every veteran over 30 is short-sighted. Look at how many vets Edmonton have that are over 30. This is why the Oilers stink. No vet presence mentoring the young guns.
          Even the Pens had Hal Gill when they won the Cup.

    • JUST ME says:

      Your comment makes a lot of sense cause you are looking at the situation with a perspective and keeping in mind that this is probably not THE year. But you are asking people that thought 10 days ago that we were ready for the cup that today want to fire and trade everyone and anyone pronto. I read dozens of comment asking for D.D. to be traded (again) when he actually is the only one producing right now !

      One must not act on sentiments positive and negative. Yes trades are coming and contracts will not be renewed. One has to be carefull and take the time to get the most in return to fill what he feels are his needs.

      The farm team is not ready tu supply the next generation of players so yes, we are a few years away for drinking in the big mug .

      So far, the new management has done very good, something like 106 points in 83 games. Not bad. Not enough .Not there yet.

  21. Bill says:

    Cal: I can’t deal with Shakespeare in “traditional” settings: it’s so boring! No one who was serious about theatre/movies would do an Elizabethan setting. I cannot watch men in tights if it’s not ballet.

    • Cal says:

      The language Shakespeare came up with to me demands a more appropriate setting. Kids in T shirts reciting Shakespeare in class is certainly okay, but it isn’t when “the play’s the thing”.

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      Kids are very conservative. Took a class to Stratford to see Romeo and Juliet. It was done with a modern setting. The kids hated it. The We two teachers rather liked it.

  22. habsguru says:

    not as bad as last year, but it’s still very apparent that size is still a problem. looking at the Philly game, you could have put the habs dressing room logo matt in the Flyer’s crease, and not one hab would have stepped on it. If ANY nhl goalie can see a distant shop coming in, they will almost always save them. boring, ugly, boring.

  23. Bill says:

    WJC: Yeah, they call it the same way for every team … my point is, that should not be an accepted defensive tactic. It’s a penalty under the rules. For the life of me, I cannot figure out why referees have agreed to let this infraction slide. And you are wrong. If the game were called according to the rules, what we would see is a game within the rules. With legal body-checking, no interference, and no after-whistle BS. The NHL and its referees are like a weak first-year grade six teacher who is afraid to lay down the law and set standards of behaviour. And the chaotic result is the exact same.

  24. Bill says:

    It is definitely funny that Therrien would go to Desharnais with the goalie pulled and a minute left. Galchenyuk or Pleks would make a lot lore sense there. Guess he was playing a hunch and failed. On the other hand … his hunch always seems to be Desharnais, haha.

  25. FlyAngler says:

    So, you are trying to score the tying goal in the last minute of play and you put Desharnais 5’7″, Gallagher 5’9″ and Plekanec 5’11” out on the ice with ONE big forward- Pacioretty. Eller is 6’2″ and has 6 more points than DD and yet he is on the bench. Galchenyuk is 6’1″ and has TWICE as many points as DD and scored the Habs lone goal and he too is on the bench. That is effing brilliant coaching and decision making. Therrien needs to figure out in a hurry that DD is not going to morph into some modified version of Sidney Crosby at anytime in the near or distant future.

    “Elever le flambeau!…Raise the Torch!”

  26. Bill says:


  27. Bill says:

    Goodness me: check out the link below for an interview with Sir Ian McKellen (one of the greatest Shakespeare actors of the past forty years, but better known as Gandalf or Magneto) for his comments on staying in Montreal and experiencing life there. One funny quote: “The Canadiens were very well-behaved on the ice: I expected more rumbling.” Haha, Sir Ian would fit right in around here, maybe he should create an account. Also, note that he says that th wok he is most proud of is the film production of Richard III: that truly is an amazing movie, strongly recommend to anyone who likes Shakespeare even a little bit.

  28. frontenac1 says:

    If Parros is done,Marc should get this guy from the Pens organization. Pierre Luc Leblond. A 61%career win record. Tough kid with good tactical fight skills and amazing stamina. And he is speaks french!

  29. frontenac1 says:

    If Parros is done,Marc should get this guy from the Pens organization. Pierre Luc Leblond. A 61%career win record. Tough kid with good tactical fight skills and amazing stamina. And he is speaks french!

  30. PrimeTime says:

    The overeaction of fans here is hilarious. We have no clue to how a team is performing other than the what we witness from a distance, yet fans have all the answers. It would interesting to know how many of the critics actually watch teams play other than MTL. If you do you’ll see and hear many of the same criticisms on all teams. Do fans want MTL to be an elite team!?? Of course we do but some need to realize it takes time. You work with what you have and you always look for opportunities to improve. Are mistakes made along the way?? Of course because you do what you think is in the best interest of the team. MT has had a pretty good record since being hired last year and MB has made more good decisions than bad. The team is heading in the right direction. Any fan expecting a cup winning team this year should learn to curb their expectations. Being an armchair Coach, GM or Player doesn’t exactly give you any inside knowledge of the team or any credibility to criticize their performance game to game. The overall standings is the bigger picture after ups and downs of every team. The broader picture is always more accurate than a small sample size. But it sure is more entertaining here when the latter has more losses than wins…..but it probably says more about the critics than team.

    • krob1000 says:

      IF that were the case then this site would be pretty useless..we all have access to news only sites. Feel free to just read the standings in the morning…I like looking at every little detail myself and I like hearing how other people interpret the events including the posters. I disagree with as many as I agree with but that is what makes it fun. If not for this site to be honest I am not sure how much fun the last week and a half would have been re the Habs. This converational based site and the analyses of the contributors on here keep thigs interesting to me..so much so I no longer need proline and/or fantasy hockey to get me thr’ugh the ups and downs of a long season. HIO s just fine and I accept the doom and gloom crowd as much as the overly optimistic crowd…..to me HIO and the HAbs are now intertwined for better or worse…and I enjoy the differing opinions on here as much as the games themselves sometimes. Noone can argue with MT’s success in reality….but screw reality….this will be what keeps the interest there and builds the anticipation until the next game.

  31. boonie says:

    I’m not an Xs and Os guy, but I know how I like to see the team play. And, I don’t like the way we’re playing. Someone mentioned MT is emulating the Count. I almost agree — wait, I said “almost”.

    We’re not dumping pucks into the offensive zone and going for a line change — I HATED that. But we aren’t entering the neutral or offensive zones with the same gusto we displayed earlier this season or during our winning streak.

    The most obvious example is PK. During our recent anemic stretch, I rarely see PK moving up ice with a head of steam that makes the other team back off. I’m not faulting him. I’ve seen him do this enough times to know he CAN. For some reason he — and others — are not.

    I’m sure there are more technical reasons for this. Please, someone explain it to me so I know we’ll return to playing that winning style I enjoyed soooo much.

    • krob1000 says:

      If you trace the problem back it appears to have emerged right whent he Habs had to play that stretch of tugh teams. They did very well palying conservative playoff type hockey against them. SInce then though they have played that grind it out 2-1 style of hockey every game and when playing less cmpetition that is working aginst the team. Alsoif you look back as soon ast he team decided to go with a grind only 4th lines..that wis when the scoring dried up.

    • twilighthours says:

      I’m obviously not an NHL coach but I’ve done some coaching at a decent level – midget, etc. Right now, it looks like the team is so tired from trying to regain the puck that they simply can’t mount any offensive pressure.

      Montreal’s forwards, albeit small, can effectively forecheck if they use their speed. You don’t need to be big to be a good forechecker, you can be just as effective if tenacious and smart. (see Gallagher).

      So they can’t get speed on the breakout (too tired, and see my post below about forwards too deep), and they can’t dump and retrieve (too tired), so the team looks bad offensively. How to fix it? I don’t know – get the puck back quicker in your own end, or prevent it from entering there in the first place (be more aggressive in defending centre ice).

      As for PK specifically, he is definitely moving the puck too slowly from his own end. Part of that is his fault, part of that might be that he has no one to pass to and it’s not in his nature to just give the puck back up by lofting it out.

      I’ve definitely noticed him rushing less. Could be the tired factor (above) or that MT has specifically told him not to. Either way, it makes me sad to see him play so much like a run-of-the-mill player.

      Again, all my speculation.

  32. shiram says:

    The Habs are not an horrible team, they’ve just been playing like one the last few games.

    Sure some player movement could likely improve the team, but that’s not an easy task, and you have to give to get.
    And what we have to give is not worth top talent, unless we send back top talent.
    So wait for a while more, the Habs will make the playoffs, and hopefully that will be more entertaining than it was the last time around.

  33. Bill says:

    Lafrich: I’ve been complaining about that non-call since I was six years old. Why is it ok to cross-check a player near the net? It is never called, unless the guy loses his mind and does it five times in three seconds. No way was that a legal check on Chucky. The NHL is a professional bush league.

    • wjc says:

      It is an excepted non call. They call it the same for every team, unless it is obviously vicious. Cross checks can be light taps to move someone.

      If the refs called everything by the book, there would be no game, just penalties. There are unwritten exceptions that everyone playing/coaching accepts. The fans, being homers, sometime yell, but that is the nature of the beast.


    • Lafrich says:

      Bill, we are on the same page. I can’t stand it. Like many of you, I have played this game my whole life, at many levels, and I get the tough, rough part of it. I just can’t stand the “away from the play” stuff. The cross checking near the net is one, and the “finishing of the check”, when in reality the player has passed it 2 seconds ago, and the checking forward actually has to take two more strides to “complete” the check. It is in reality such a coward move, because the player no longer has the puck, and now they are brave to hit them when they are defenseless.

  34. wjc says:


    Montreal is 3rd in the conference 4 points out of 1st place overall in the conference.

    Only 5 teams have scored more goals then they have allowed, Montreal is one of them.

    Parity is more then salary cap, it includes fresh teams playing tired teams, hot teams playing cold teams.

    The Canadiens are playing as well as anyone overall with a few stinkers thrown in, just like everyone else.

    All teams go through bad stretches, Timo says panic, so if it makes you happy…..PANIC.

    One liners may be ‘sexy’ I don’t know but facts are facts.


    • Kooch7800 says:

      If we have score more goals than we have allowed that should speak volumes to our Goalies and our Defense.

      Our offense this year has been less than impressive

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

    • Forum Dog says:

      Fair enough, but the GAA is a bit skewed because of the stellar goaltending the Habs have been getting. If Montreal had anyone other than Price in net 8 of every ten games, that stat would be a lot less impressive.

      They’re gonna have to find a way to score some goals again, because otherwise their goalers are gonna wear out….

      I agree that they are not as bad as the last few games have suggested however.

  35. habsguru says:

    not only have the results not been there, but the CH are playing very boring hockey. I almost feel like I’m watching NJ in the 90’s. get the puck, dump it in, lose the puck, repeat. oh yeah, NJ without the winning.

    • wjc says:

      May be it wasn’t noticed but once Florida got the 2-0 lead they went into the trap. Once when Subban had the puck coming out of his end, no one challenged him, they were all back. He stopped and hesitated and circled back.

      And here I was happy because leading 2-0 is the worst lead in hockey. Don’t tell me you wanted to tie the game when they were down 2-1. The gimmick…..the gimmick, better to lose 2-1 then go for another point.


  36. Bill says:

    Complaining about what the players do because of their salaries is just pointless and irrelevant.

    I accept that in my entire working career I will be lucky to make what Ryan White has made so far in his NHL career. I am comfortable with that, I understand it, and I don’t care. No one is gonna buy $300 tickets to come watch my team teach English. They’re not buying an Essay Team jersey with my name on it. Criticize the players, fine, complain about cap hits, that makes sense, but don’t make a blanket criticism of them for making good money doing a job that VERY FEW PEOPLE are good enough to do. It sounds so Occupy. And Occupy is so 2011.

    • wjc says:

      Just for the record, Mr. Bill I would pay $300.00 to watch you teach. I can use all the learnen’s there is.

      As far as the sweater with Essay Team on it, can’t promise you I would, but I would buy the cap. In a way if you become a professor people have to pay tuition yearly and that could be considered seasons tickets.

      The government takes tax money to pay teachers, and that could be considered season tickets as well……happy learn’ens.


    • Luke says:

      But Bill, I have an Essay Jersey with your name on it.

      I mean, it’s not an official, but I have one. A buddy of mine gets ’em from China. You can’t even tell they are knockoffs.

      If anyone’s interested… $45ea.

    • twilighthours says:

      It’s so sad.

  37. Kooch7800 says:

    Mayer is being loaned to play in Europe so he can be in the Spengler cup. Something tells me they are showcasing him


    • shiram says:

      Showcasing him to whom? For what?
      It’s not like this guy could get more than a late round pick…

      • Kooch7800 says:

        He is a free agent at the end of the season Shiram and he won’t be resigning with Montreal as they are pretty deep in goal. so might as well take a late round pick instead of nothing.

        EDIT – Scratch that he is on a two year deal he signed in July. I was thinking of Dustin Tokarski

        “Keep your stick on the Ice”

        • shiram says:

          He’s actually signed through 2014-15, and would be on his first RFA contract then.
          I just don’t think there’s much of a market for him, and unless we got someone else to be backup in Hamilton, I don’t see why we’d trade him.

  38. habsguru says:

    DD’s xmas wish… another 6 inches…. of height!

  39. arcosenate says:

    Yeesh, the asking price for Evander Kane is two top six forwards and a top prospect. Too much, me thinks.

  40. Steeltown Hab says:

    Hockeybuzz MTL vs NYR rumor.

    If there’s any truth to this watch it be Eller for Brassard, that type of deal is right in Bergevins wheelhouse.

    Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Emelin, Bournival, De La Rose – @J_Perez22

  41. Timo says:

    No Habs games between 21st and 28th? Well… actually, that should make for a nice xmas without Habs loses. Go move, NHL.

  42. Lafrich says:

    Did anyone else notice that cross-check on Galchenyuk after he scored the goal? The defenseman CLEARLY saw the puck go in, then drilled Galchenyuk from behind. What other sport allows this?!?!?

    • Luke says:

      Yah I did.

      Thought It was funny… I actually made a similar comment to myself last night.

      That somehow its acceptable in the NHL to smoke a guy after the whistle, with what would be a penalty normally, because he scored.

      Happens all the time. In fact, there’d probably be complaints if they had penalizedthe cross check. You know, honour, “Its the price you pay to go to the net” etc etc…

      • Lafrich says:

        Ridiculous, isn’t it? Imagine after a base-runner crossed home plate, and was about to high-five his teammate, the catcher clocked him from behind. Or a guy scores a touch down and then gets drilled (Although I have sort of seen that happen).

        It is a very good-ol’-boys mentality, as you are correct – there would have been arguments.

        I was glad to see Upshall get nailed with the crosschecking penalty on Gionta. Although, if you want that chippy stuff out of the game, you have got to give more than 2 minutes. It was a totally out of the blue cross check once the play had already moved away from the area.

    • frontenac1 says:

      Name one other team that would allow that to go unpunished!

  43. Forum Dog says:

    Desharnais with 20+ minutes of ice last night, the most among centremen. Minus 1, 1 shot, 1 hit.

    I know he is at times an undeserved whipping boy, but honestly, on what other team would a player like DD get top PP duties and more than 20 minutes of ice?

    Also, unless Prust is hurt, 06:30 of ice is nowhere near enough. He is making $2.5M and brings a lot of jam and tenacity. Gotta find a way to get him in the game more. Unless, like I said, he is hurt.

    • Timo says:

      Name one instance when DD is an undeserved whipping boy?

      • Forum Dog says:

        lol – I’m trying to be diplomatic here. He is effective as a warm body who can play 12 minutes a night on a middling NHL team. He has a minor case of the Gomez syndrome though. He makes more than he contributes…..

      • FlyAngler says:

        I don’t want him to be a whipping boy. I just want him to go away. He is a really good guy and a nice person. I get it. But he is too small an unproductive to merit top 6 minutes on any NHL team.

        “Elever le flambeau!…Raise the Torch!”

    • Cal says:

      “I know he is at times an undeserved whipping boy, but honestly, on what other team would a player like DD get top PP duties and more than 20 minutes of ice?”

      The Hamilton Bulldogs.

  44. habs_54321 says:

    being tired is a very bad excuse every team is tired like the poster said below, i think this drought goes back to the LA game were the canadians actually played decent hockey but just kept getting bad breaks on the defensive end that ONE game the “we’re tired” excuse should have been used, erase the game from your memory and move on to the next game, but they took a different approach they blew up the max,dd,gally line which was building tremendous chemistry, put the egg line back together which the name is appropriate because when that line is together the canadians tend to lay an egg.. i can go on but i think i’ve ranted enough

  45. RAM_TOUGH says:

    So out of 29 other teams only the Habs are tired? They haven’t hit the half way point yet. After 33 + games last season the Habs went to Pot. Looks like the same this season?


  46. portle44 says:

    Appalling lack of effort.The word from No Excuse Central is that they are drained.The NHL will have to stop forcing this club to play more games than the other 29 teams. In other news Danny Briere has 5 goals and 5 assists in 25 games and is a -2.How much weaker would les boyz be up front if they had saved the $4 mil for trade deadline day and played Louis LeBlanc instead ?

    • habs_54321 says:

      it’s beating a dead bush but Cole would be the perfect fit with this team right now.

      • Lafrich says:

        Other people have been saying this insane comment too? The man has 5g 7a in 31 games this season, and is a minus 7. Last year he had 6g 1a in 28 games (-7 as well) after being traded by the Habs, after racking up 3g 3a in 19 games with the Habs.

        WE NEED HIM!

        • habs_54321 says:

          Cole does more than just provide points he adds other dimensions to the game and makes his linemates better by creating space. you should otherwise say LOOK AT BRYAN BICKELL HE HAS 5 POINTS THIS YEAR HE MUST SUCK

          • Luke says:

            Would you like to see the Habs paying Bickell 4.5 million dollars for 4 years for those 5 points?

            I don’t think Cole is exactly creating space this season. He’s a poor man’s Rene Bourque right now (But makes more $$$)

          • piper says:

            I hear you but most on this site only see stats.

          • Lafrich says:

            I disagree. He is at this point only a shadow of the player that drove the net a few seasons ago. In addition, he is awful in the defensive zone, and terrible with the puck in situations other than attempting his one-dimensional cut to the net. I was tres heureux to see him go, and would not be happy to see him back.

        • Luke says:

          AND he makes more money than DD or Briere AND he has more term left on the contract than Briere.

          But he’s on a different team, so that makes him great.

          • habs_54321 says:

            he is in the same points range as patch and gally and has been very effective at crashing the net in dallas creating screens etc. I am not trying to create a lets go trade for Cole parade hence why i said its beating a dead bush, but you have to look back in hindsight and say we would be better off with him on our team right now.,,. he is better than bourque

          • Lafrich says:

            habs_54321: Same points range as Patch and Gally? Perhaps “points” they are relatively close, although he is still a few back, and it is only a third into the season. But goals, which really count for the players (and type of players) you mentioned, is 12 goals for Patches, and 9 goals for Gally, vs 5 goals for Eric Cole. Pro-rated, that’s like 35 for Patches, 26 for Gally and 14 for Cole. No contest.

  47. twilighthours says:

    Punkster and others who plea for moderation: you know me, I’m not a doom and gloom/chicken little/everything sucks sort of a dude, but here’s the straight goods:

    In the last 8 games, the Habs have scored 14 goals: 1.75 goals per game (1 goal credited for shootout win) This is down from 2.46 on avg.

    Further, the Habs have taken 23.5 shots per game over that span while allowing 28.1. Season averages have the habs taking 29.1 while allowing 30.1.

    I’m not a Corsi/Fenwick guy but I imagine those numbers have taken a nose-dive, too.

    It’s a good thing the Habs are decent defensively and with great goaltending, because the team – right now – cannot score and doesn’t even generate any offense.

    Either way, since the Toronto game (in my opinion, the last good game the team has played), it has been ugly. This is more than just mental or physical fatigue, there is something wrong with this team. Players? maybe. System? maybe. Matchups? maybe. Line combos? maybe. Some other coaching factor? Man, I dunno. But it’s broken right now, and it’s ugly.

    (I detailed some things that I thought were specific issues last night, I’ll see if I can find them).

    • Eddie says:

      Absolutely bang on!

    • twilighthours says:

      Repost from last night:

      I am starting to get on board with Chris (mats naslund) re: the swarm. The forwards are in way too deep in their own end and have to skate so much further to start the attack. When was the last time we had an odd man rush? If this is the way the break out is going to go, then the team needs to be much more aggressive while defending centre ice and try to get some turn overs and head back the other way with speed….

      …the forwards are always below the top of the circle supporting the D. Does the D need this level of consistent support? Then we need new D. And yes, no one back there seems capable of retrieving the puck, taking two strides, and making a good outlet play. Even subban has sorked hard lately.

      …There is so much to dislike about this team at present.

      -the break out is either a) dumo it off the glass or 2) force it to a winger who is already in traffic

      -no speed at all. This is supposed to be a fast team, right?

      -no finishing the hit. Way too much swinging a stick at the the puck and hoping

      -no time or space in the offensive zone. No chances at all.

      The winning streak seems like a lifetime ago.

  48. Timo says:

    Front, buddy… you got it figured out. I envy you 🙂

  49. Thomas Le Fan says:

    Apparently, this team is specializing in making back up goalies look like Hall of Famers. Troubling.

    There is no crying in baseball, “i” in team or “chuck” in Galchenyuk but … there is fighting in hockey.

  50. Eddie says:

    A contrarian position on Mr. Murray.

    He’s terrible 5 on 5. He has yet to be on the ice for a 5 on 5 goal in our favour all season, and every game, including yesterday’s, it is his pair that is beat for a key goal.

    He backed so far off the blue line, instead of closing the gap, that Diaz was left hung out to dry.

    His coverage is bad, his skating is terrible, and his 5 on 5 game is not NHL calibre.

    You guys see him making a few hits. I see the hits coming way too late to make a difference most of the time.

    In tight games he should never see the ice 5 on 5, only on the PK.

    • Timo says:

      Your description also applies to both Gorges and Diaz (not to mention Bouillon) so at the very least Murray hits. Something that can’t be said about the other 3.

      Btw, I know he missed a ton of time and will hopefully will get it going soon but I haven’t been thrilled with Emelin either.

    • twilighthours says:

      Yeah, Murray didn’t play that well, but Budaj needs to bail him out on that one . Murray and Diaz did enough to force a bad shot. It wasn’t great, but it wasn’t horrible D on that sequence.

      • Eddie says:

        Murray backs right off his man who crosses the blue line uncontested. How is that NOT bad defence?

        • twilighthours says:

          It was bad, but not horrible. Emelin has made far worse mistakes in the last few games. My point here is that Budaj should have stopped the puck, as Diaz had forced the Florida shooter into a bad shot.

          • Eddie says:

            Ya ok. But it’s not a shot from an impossible angle. It’s not a shot from way out. The shooter moves right into the primary scoring area as I recall.

            Any way, watching Murray play 5 on 5 defence s like watching a fat person try and swin laps.

          • twilighthours says:

            Don’t misunderstand me – I wish we had better options than Murray, too. I hoped that Tinordi or Beaulieu would have taken that spot in training camp. Who knows? Maybe if one of those two had started the season with us, they’d be up to speed and playing better than Murray is now.

  51. scotland says:

    kings were leading 1-0 and when they scored a goal with about 12 seconds left in the first period to go up 2-0. eventually winning 6-0.

    brian gionta after the game ” that goal at the end of the first deflated us”

    good captain. real leadership stuff there brian

  52. 24 Cups says:

    The most important day in the brief history of the Ottawa Redblacks has arrived. The CFL’s ninth franchise will select eight import players and sixteen non-import players from across the league during today’s Expansion Draft, beginning at 11am.

    Rumour has it that the Habs will not protect DD, Briere or Bouillon.

  53. HabinBurlington says:

    On now live on TSN, CFL Dispersal Draft, exciting stuff folks!!!


    • reddog24 says:

      Does MT ever say anything behind the bench during a game? Every time the camera is on him he just stands there looking around, why is he not trying to rally the troops., or kick some butts.
      I would like to see this team turned over to GERALD GALLANT now before its to late.Or is this another language issue?

    • Luke says:

      I went looking for that old clip of Homer watching the CFL draft, but I can’t find it. YouTube results were a big ol’ negatory.

      i thought it would slide nicely in here so you’ll just have to sit back and imagine it.

  54. scotland says:

    even if you try justify the “fatigue excuse” and thats what it is…an excuse. every single opponent has the same schedule. all i hear therrien saying is the opponents are better prepared that we are.

  55. Timo says:

    Penguins placed Letang on IR. I would say trade Bouillon and Diaz to them but I am afraid they have no healthy bodies left. What’s their excuse, btw? I don’t hear the “fatigued” BS coming out of their dressing room?

    • Mavid says:

      Its not a excuse its a fact, and lots of teams give it as a reason..then there is the unknowns like sitting on the tarmac in an aircraft..with such a long delay you dont’ get in until 2 in the morning. They are human beings..who do get tired

      Weed Wacker Grandma Smurf

      • Timo says:

        I said it before and I will say it again… the human being thing ends where the NHL salary begins.

        • Mavid says:

          So people that are rich don’t work hard and are not allowed to get tired..I have no issue with them using it, when it really happens…now you know I love you Timo but I am afraid on some things were just going to have to agree to disagree..but we can still both hate the Sens..:-)

          Weed Wacker Grandma Smurf

    • frontenac1 says:

      Timo! The Pens have an interesting Heavyweight Enforcer playing in Wilkes-Barre. Pierre Luc Leblond. Send over Cube and get Big Pierre!

  56. krob1000 says:

    I think at this point in the season since it is becoming apparent the team is ommitted to DD and increasing his stock…they should consider playing PLeks and Dd together on the pp. DD can be the guy on the goalline, Pleks needs to be on the half wall as he is a triple threat. Dd wis not a shooting threat and does not work there, Gallagher is not a legit passing threat so he does not work there. This is why Pleks is the best player ont he team on the pp. So if you really watnt o increas Dd stock…play him AND pleks on the pp with PAtches, Subbie and MArkov. Markov and PLeks have very good cross ice chemistry on the pp.
    I know the downside is the shift after the pp where MT likes to ccounter weith PLeks against teams top units but maybe give Eller a shot at this point and see how ready he is? maybe counter with Eller-Moen and Gionta for ones shift then get the lines back on track?

  57. scotland says:

    like last year this team is dropping off the face of the earth. last year it was after about 35 games. looks about same this year.

    down the stretch and play offs last year our habs finished won what? 2 of the last 15 games. (worst in the nhl during final month) the way they have played the last 5 games is not a surprise. they finished last season playing the same way.

    give therrien a team and he will make it worse over a season

  58. Arrow77 says:

    What this team is lacking isn’t size as much as skills. The problem of Brière isn’t that he’s small but that he doesn’t score. If he were the player from 2006-2007, he wouldn’t be any bigger but the team would be much better. There are two forwards that can change the game in our line-up, Pacioretty and Galchenyuk, and neither of them is good enough to carry a team on a constant basis. At one point, it looked like the team could have the kid line to carry the offense but since Therrien broke them up, they haven’t been the same.

    Next year, I don’t want the team to try to fix our “size problem”, which was supposed to be fixed by Laraque, then Cole, then Prust and then Parros. I want someone who’s gonna help us score more goals.

  59. habstrinifan says:

    I am gonna give myself a bleedy freakin whack on the head.
    And another one!
    And another!
    What a freakin stooopid idiot I have become.
    WTF is this having to make a virtual daily joint to HIO and pretend that I have a worthwhile matter to dwell on.


    You will get my point after this item. Read the whole story,


  60. Steeltown Hab says:

    Not impressed with Bergevin aside from his swagger in general.

    You can’t claim your trying to build a big team, go out and draft McCarron like its some kind of statement, when you give early extensions to Desharnais, Bouillon, go out and get Briere as your biggest UFA signing, Christian Thomas deal and are in talks to re-sign Diaz.


    Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Emelin, Bournival, De La Rose – @J_Perez22

  61. Eddie says:

    Here is my solution.
    Go back to the system that created offence last season
    and split up Subban and Markov.

    We proved we could score 5 on 5 for the first time in years, why did we become a chip and chase team this year?

    We have the offensive talent and a coach who showed them how to keep control of the puck and not dump and chase.

    Markov and Subban makes sense on the power play only. Our offence is too easy to defend against when they are not on the ice.

    • 24 Cups says:

      Point well taken.

      Emelin hasn’t played well since his return but maybe that’s to be expected. Maybe he even came back too soon. Gorges can play the right side so these four can be mixed and matched anyway you want.

      The next question concerns Diaz’s contract. If Montreal re-signs him ling term, what does that say about Beaulieu’s chances? Can this team move forward with four offensive defensemen, with only one of them being physical?

      • Eddie says:

        Absolutely need to move Beaulieu forward. I would be really upset if Beaulieu is blocked in favor of Diaz.

        But… Can a dman like Beaulieu even survive under Therrien?

        Can a pure offensive dman play the way Therrien wants them to play?

        • boing007 says:

          Look at what PK has become in the past month or so and there’s your answer.

          Richard R

          • GoHabsGo7667 says:

            Montreal signs a washed up scrub like briere where they should of gave P.K a big chunk of cash, but i guess a norris trophy winner doesnt deserve that. Hes the future of the franchise

  62. krob1000 says:

    Will any HAb score as many as OVie already has? HOw many teams will not have a guy who gets 28 goals? I am guessing several….glad to see OVie back…makes the NHL a better league IMO. Too bad Stamkos isn’t around to challenge him but good on Ovie.

  63. Timo says:

    Let me guess… Habs get a day off today because they are fatigued? I can’t believe they have an audacity to say that given that they have to be on the ice max 20 some minutes per day. Has any of them ever worked an 8 hour shift in their spoiled lives? Pathetic.

    • kalevine says:

      are you working your 8 hour shift as we type?

      I am 🙂

    • krob1000 says:

      In fairness Timo…how many of us have jobs that have left us concussed, with broken limbs, blown out ligaments, have the risk of us having a paid enforcer try to hurt us,etc. Guys like Prust, Gllagher,etc…they need the rest…it isn’t fatigue as much as wear and tear.This is the one area where the HAbs would be better off on a n ormal schedule…2 consecutive condensed years is not playing into Montreal’s favour. The goal will be toi remaind as healthy as possible until the playoffs where MT’s d first philosophy will be better served…at that point we will likely be thnakful for his approach but in the meantime when the team is struggling and you play the Florida panthers you expect teh team to open up and not play down to FLA level.

      • The Dude says:

        Try Roofing for 35 years….those poor babies!

        • krob1000 says:

          lol…I did it for a couple of years… as a grunt. Hardest job I ever had was actaully tree removal…we cleared entire forest areas and that was way harder than the roofing IMO. I used to go through 4 2hr fhits and go through 3 2l bottles of water a day and eat breaky and 2 big lunches before I left for the day just to get through it. My whole body ached all of the time…but I did not have to still perform at the level of the best of that trade in the world while being attacked. Most of the older guys when i roofed stood and watched as my wrists swelled from the repetitive pounding trying to peel the tar and shovel it off the roof in sweltering heat. I get it roofing is hard..my Dad was a carpenter and most of my family is tradespeople…but those can’t be compared to the NHL. Guys weighing 230 lbs skating at full speed and trying to take your head off. Tradespeople are able to do what they do for their working lives…the average NHl career only lasts a handful of years for a reason. Hats off to all tradespeople…I got out realizing I did not want to do that and I respect every one of them but NHL players are extremely resilient and the amount of money they make does not make them any less human. They get hurt, they need to rest to be at optimal level…that is just the reality.

          • Timo says:

            Tell me you wouldn’t trade logging for and NHL job any day of the week and twice on sunday? How hard can it be to be DD? When was the last time he was properly hit? You don’t get hit if you don’t come near the puck. Come on, Krobby.

            Aside from ill will that I cannot express publicly towards NHL players, one thing I would like to wish them is to live in a real world. Otherwise they should just shut the f up and at the very least not tell us how tired they are.

          • frontenac1 says:

            The Real world sucks Timo. That’s why we have “substances”. Saludos!

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