About last night …


Your Montreal Canadiens have played great hockey – and, let’s be honest – surprised more than a few of their fans for the last four weeks.
They were due to dial up a stinker.
And they did.
The Los Angeles Kings hadn’t won a game on Montreal ice since 1999.
Two seasons removed from a Stanley Cup and still blessed with a powerful lineup, the Kings were due to win a game in the 514 area code.
And they did.


The Kings put six on the board against a team that hadn’t given up more than four goals in any game this season – and had given up two or fewer in 12 of their last 14 starts.

The Canadiens actually outshot L.A. 31-30; but shots, in this case, are a poor indicator of what transpired in the game.

Similarly, the Canadiens’ 32-24 advantage in hits might lead one to conclude the home team won the physical battles. Nothing could be farther from the truth.

The Kings are big, fast and skilled. They won every puck battle they needed to win.

L.A. worked the boards effectively and enjoyed a succession of wide-open looks in front of Carey Price and Peter Budaj. The Canadiens, by contrast, couldn’t penetrate the well-protected zone in front of rookie Kings’ goaltender Martin Jones.

Brendan Gallagher and, on a couple of occasions, Alex Galchenyuk were the only Canadiens who got close enough to ascertain the colour of Jones’s eyes. The other forwards worked at such remove they could barely make out the logo on his jersey.

Look, the Kings are a very good hockey team. They did the things – controlling the slot at both ends, winning battles along the boards – Pierre McGuire predicted they would during his spot on Mitch Melnick’s Tuesday afternoon show.

Jeff Carter was almost invisible, but it didn’t matter. Anze Kopitar (a goal, an assist, 11-3 on faceoffs) and Mike Richards were outstanding. Drew Doughty outplayed P.K., and veteran Willie Mitchell was on for four of L.A.’s five even-strength goals.

The only Canadiens who escaped the Minus column were Alex Galchenyuk, Travis Moen, Ryan White and Raphael Diaz. Andrei Markov and Alexei Emelin were each minus-3.

The game might have gone differently had the Canadiens been able to cash an early power play. With Doughty off for tripping 38 seconds into the game, the Canadiens bombarded Jones with seven shots on goal. None went in. On two subsequent first-period PPs, the Canadiens fired blanks.

The other turning point occurred with the score 1-0 and the first period ticking down. Daniel Brière iced the puck with 17 seconds left. Anze Kopitar beat Lars Eller on the faceoff, worked a give-and-go with Mike Richards and snapped a 30-footer past Price.

Late-period scores in one-goal games are kicks in the area where it hurts to be kicked.

Two-zip: effectively over – and decisively over when Price was beaten on two of the first four shots he faced in the second period. Peter Budaj let in two of the nine shots he faced as the King outshot the home team 13-3 in the middle period.

It was a butt-kicking through 40 minutes. By the time the third period began, the Bell Centre’s lower bowl looked like a Pauline Marois rally in Hampstead.

What shall we conclude from this unmerciful stomping of our erstwhile Atlantic Division leaders?

Hey, every team has an off night.

Well, maybe not the 1976-’77 Canadiens. But the 2012-’13 edition of the team lost 6-0 to Toronto at the Bell Centre last February. Fresh off a humiliation that had the Hockey Night in Canada Leaf-blowers leaning back on their pillows to smoke a cigarette, the Canadiens travelled to Tampa Bay and beat the Lightning in a Shootout to launch a five-game winning streak.

The Canadiens don’t get to lick their 6-0 wounds in the Florida sun this time. They are in wintery Philadelphia – did you see that crazy football game? – to play the Flyers Thursday night, then travel on to Long Island for a rare Saturday night road game. Then the Canadiens are home to the Florida Panthers on Sunday.

As ship-righting schedules go, things could be worse.

Let’s see how the team reacts to their worst loss of the season.





  1. Hobie Hansen says:

    I posted a comment below that the Habs could possibly get of of the East and make it to the Finals. Ton replied that we couldn’t beat Pittsburgh in a playoff series, I beg to differ. Pittsburgh has been a mess in the playoffs the last several seasons.

  2. Sportfan says:

    They played a great first period, but I had to stop after the first was a bit busy with studying, I think I got lucky on that aspect.

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  3. montreal ace says:

    MB has already said certain players get you to the playoffs, while others get you through. I am sure when we are more assured of a playoff berth, there will be moves to strengthen the team. I really think there is cause to like this team overall, so this morning they go to practice with a fresh slate. Season ends today were in the playoffs, so to me its all good.

  4. Luke says:

    Quick fun fact:
    In the 31 games that Toronto has played, Clarkson has 6 points.
    5.2 Million… 7 Years. (His suspension was due to pure stupidity, as opposed to a ‘play gone wrong etc’ so I think the games should count).
    Stephen Weiss has 4 points in 26 games played @ $5mm for 5 years (I believe).
    Josh Bailey has 10 points in 31 games @ $4.5mm
    DD’s in at (a disappointing) 10 points in 30games… at $3.5mm.

    So… yah. DD’s contract may be bad… but it could be worse…

  5. HabinBurlington says:

    Well, I am pretty happy I had a curling game to play in last night and didn’t have to watch what turned into an obvious rout. I was very hopeful the Habs could match the Kings, I guess that didn’t remotely happen.

    I obviously can’t speak to why they lost etc…. but perhaps this is why many of us don’t want MB to make any rash trades for rentals. While I love where this team is going we aren’t there yet, teams like L.A., Chicago are still at a level above the Habs.

    No reason we can’t compare with most teams in the East, but I still think Chicago and L.A. are the elite teams of the NHL.

    Hopefully it can be chalked up to a stinker and end of story.

    • shiram says:

      I don’t know, it seems to me the Habs did good against tough teams like St-Louis and the Bruins. I would not put so much focus on the one game, even though it was an awful one.
      It’s an opportunity for improvement, coaches and player alike must respond and make sure they are better prepared.

    • 24 Cups says:

      Gerald – The Habs came out strong but couldn’t beat Jones, LA’s third string goaltender. This after having a few power plays in the first ten minutes. Briere ices the puck in the last two minutes and LA scores on the faceoff. Game over after one period of play. The Habs then basically imploded and mailed it in at the beginning of the 2nd period. Thank goodness for the Victoria’s Secret special that followed.

      BTW, the Gorges/Emelin pairing isn’t working out. That has to be MT’s next order of business.

  6. BigB says:

    I have loved our habs for decades. But I must say I’m somehow glad we lost last night. Why? Because any professional sports team would need a tough loss once in awhile in order to re-evaluate itself.
    We know we have a good team but let’s face it, we have a loooong way to go before we can qualify as a contender (like LA is already).

    Let’s remain positive (yes it’s tough).

    Habs forever!

    • JUST ME says:

      Totally agree with you. Excellent positive comment. I too understand that we are a few steps back from being able to compete with our western opponents. At least this time i see that we are creeping upward in our conference and building on something. We may be a few seasons from reaching the big plateau but i enjoy the way we play and the fact that we are going forward.

  7. jrshabs1 says:

    Kings played big against the Habs from the puck drop. The 2nd period was the worst hockey I’ve ever seen the Habs play. The small Hab line up was not ready to play the bigger Kings. Like it or not, the teams that set the physical tone with the Habs usually win. If this wasn’t true M.B. wouldn’t have brought in Murray and Parros. It’s up to the coach to play the best line up he can. M.T. dropped the ball last night and his team got embarrassed.

    Go Habs Go!!

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Your argument has value although I suspect Murray and Parros would not have changed the outcome. I don’t think we should make too much out of one game but it probably gave MB an indication of a road map for the future.

      The bigger issue for me was the teams lack of compete. Seems after that 500 shot power play resulting in no goals deflated the boys a bit. And that 2nd goal was the nail in the coffin.

      I’m anxious to see how the team plays Thursday.

    • kempie says:

      Murray and Parros would not have helped last night. Size wasn’t the problem. I think those guys would have likely made things worse.

  8. SteverenO says:

    As I posted yesterday, a coach’s decisions will only impact the result in perhaps 5 or 6 games a season. Last night was (probably) not one of them. I believe that the Kings were , by far ,the better team last night.

    That being said, last night’s game was a shining example of how Therrien’s biggest weakness (ice time management) puts his team at a disadvantage in every game they play.

    30 seconds into the game the Kings take a penalty and the Habs have a great chance to get the all important first goal.
    The habs most productive PP line of Plekanec /Gionta and ANYBODY are left on the bench to start the PP.

    To start the PP the line of 67/51/11 are sent out with the usual defence pairing of 76/79. They spend 50 seconds of the PP and attempt one single shot on net.
    The next shift sees 27/14/21 (a newly formed line) while the defence 76/79 stay out on the PP. They proceed to attempt 8 shots, 7 on net and one blocked in 50 seconds but fail to score a goal.

    the line of 48/81/8 play the final , uneventful 10 seconds of the first PP.

    fast forward to 12:36 the kings have a 1-0 lead when the Habs get their second power play opportunity.

    who starts the PP? 11/51/67 with 76/79 They play for 43 seconds and fail; to even attempt a single shot towards the King’s net.

    next up? 48/81/27 play the remaining minute and 17 seconds (the final 44 seconds with the second defence pairing of 55/61. This line also fails to attempt a single shot towards the opponent’s net.

    All is not lost, however , still trailing 1-0 and still very much “in” the game, the Habs are awarded a third 1st period PowerPlay opportunity at 16:38.

    can you guess who goes out to start the PP? if you said 67/51/11 you would be right. This line plays the first 48 seconds and while they do not attempt any shots at the Kings net, the Kings manage to take two shots towards Price, one of them blocked by Subban.

    The second wave of our third PP opportunity sees the newly created line of 48/81/27 play for 39 seconds with the top defense pairing and they manage a single shot.

    Finally, with 33 seconds remaining Therrien puts out his most productive PP forwards , Plekanec and Gionta, with Pacioretty on the other wing this time -another ad-hoc line of 67/14/21 at the same time as the defence pairing changes to the second unit of 55/61.

    To summarize:out of 6 minutes of time with the man advantage, the most productive 5 man unit plays together for only one of six minutes. And while they did not score, they bombarded the opposition with shots on their first opportunity. For some reason this was not impressive enough for the coach as they were left out of the next PP altogether,and put in as an afterthought for the waning seconds of the third opportunity.

    I repeat that I don’t believe a PP goal in the first period would have changed the outcome of the game, but there is NO QUESTIONING the fact that the coach is incapable of determining despite OVERWHELMING evidence which of his players are the most productive and most likely to score on the PowerPlay.

    If Therrien treated the PP as he claimed he does (sending out the line that is playing the best at the time) as if its just another shift in the game,it would be disturbing but acceptable. A PP is a golden opportunity, a “gift” that offers a better chance to score a goal in a game where goals are hard to come by. The PP (and penalty kill) should take a significant portion of time in practice and they should have a number of “set plays” that are run with the extra man.Putting out adhoc lines with no regard to who has been successful in the past is, or at least should be, unacceptable.

    The fact is that Therrien does NOT treat the PP as “just another shift” he goes OUT OF HIS WAY to favor the less effective line of 67/51/11 and to snub the more productive combo of 14/21 and the winger of the day.

    People are going to “mock” my comment and point to the overall success of the PP in general this season, but in case anyone has not noticed the Habs have not scored a PP goal in their last 12 opportunities. While we were previously among the top 3 PP teams in the NHL we are now 7th best and our success % has dropped to .251 a far way behind the leaders; Washington (.345) and Pittsburgh (.337).

    Including into last mites game, The Habs team overall have scored a PP goal once every 8 minutes (.251).
    With Plekanec on the ice the Habs have scored a PP goal every 5.9 minutes a. 344 success rate.
    With Plekanec NOT on the ice the PP has averaged one goal every 9.75 minutes , a success rate of (.206).

    If there is anyone who can explain why Plekanec has only played 33% of the ice time with the man advantage , please do.

    Also, if you claim that the Habs PP is doing well so the coach cannot be criticized, please remember that the REASON the Habs PP is doing so well seems to be escaping the coach and the coaching staff who are being paid a lot of money to track and monitor this stuff.


    Steve O.

  9. krob1000 says:

    Only Habs who did not register a hit last night DD, Bouillon and Markov

    Habs outhit kings 32-24

    • shiram says:

      Hits can be good, but a no-context stat like that is just not all that usefull.
      Considering hits are only registered when the other has the puck, dominating on hits how could mean the other just had the puck more…

      • krob1000 says:

        well Habs outshot them too..

        Here is the shot location chart and hit chart as well.
        Habs had as many shots from good positions,

        Also regarding hitting…please take note of how few hits happen anymore in todays game anywhere but along the boards. You can see how teams protect the middle and do not want to sacrifice good position for a hit…so next time you knock Diaz or anyone who you perceive to be “Shying away” or whatever realize this how they are taught. Whoever gets their first will get hit and if you do not have time to make a play you risk getting hit adn turning the puck over and being on the outside of the play looking in.

        Habs actually got more shots from better spots. This game is moore a result of more positional gaffs, blown coverages, then anything to do with being outmuscled.

        • shiram says:

          Yeah I know! Guess we should talk quality of shots now :p
          edit : sneaky edit after I had posted.

          • krob1000 says:

            Sorry, I had it backwards…Montreal actually was the team getting the better shots …I was looking at chart wrong at first.

        • shiram says:

          Sorry I cant check that chart, it won’t work on this computer maybe a flash thing?
          But if I get what you’re saying correctly, is that apart from the score, the Habs were into that game?

          • krob1000 says:

            that is about it…I think the Habs played a very ,very good 1st, they gave up after the 3-0 goal and sucked bigtime in the second but shouold never have been down 3-0 to begin with..just did not exectue but not outplayed. Then in the third I think they were likely screamed at and told to play good hockey in the third and played about even IMO. I think the teams actually match up pretty evenly against one another.

  10. Sal from the Hammer says:

    It’s a long season. They crapped the bed! Is what it is. I just hope that LA saved some for the Laffs so that we can Laff at them too!

    Nevertheless, they were clearly ripped off on the interference goal on Price, plus, they should have had at least one 5 on 3 in the first period, but, as usual, the worst refs of ANY league in the world, did their jobs like the worst refs of ANY league tn the world.

    I haven’t read every post this morning, so I don’t now if anybody has ranted about NHL reffing yet, so here goes…

    Yes I realize that the incompetence of NHL refs on display nightly during NHL games cuts both ways, and, accordingly, can even out over the course of a season. It’s still a lousy excuse for what goes on with Officiating at this level.

    If these guys are held accountable for not being able to do their jobs it is certainly not clear to us as fans. We see the same crappy refs night after night. We all know who they are if you watch enough hockey. Consider the following. First, they are full time professional Officials. Which means they do nothing else, so the favorite excuse, the speed of the game for one, is a ridiculous concept. They rose through the ranks, supposedly acclimating themselves to the various levels of hockey, so by the time they reach the NHL they should be able to follow the game with little difficulty. They see the game up close and in person, on an virtually nightly basis, they skate with these players enough that at a certain point that aspect of their abilities should no longer be an issue. It’s an excuse!

    Secondly, as professionals, they are watching video and training on an ongoing basis, to bring them up to speed. Who reviews these guys work? Maybe they are the problem!

    Third, and this is the most glaring issue, reffing is a closed boys club. There are four sets of eyes on the play. Why do they not confer more often when a play is in question, and, more importantly, why does one ref not overrule another, in the interest of getting their calls right? I think that they are afraid of showing each other up, or stepping on the other guys toes, for either fear, or some internal boys club code. It doesn’t have to be spelled out, the guys in the club share an equal sense of what that means, and they don’t step over the line! It seems, that with four sets of eyes, some initial decisions should be overturned, then and there! When has anyone seen that happen, with the exception of pucks shot over the glass?

    Lastly, when is the NHL going to allow coaches challenges, or, other set/s of eyes in the stands, or in the arena, that can confer with officials, in the interest of getting calls right! Baseball, one of the last of the holdouts to video review, want to get the calls right! NFL football, whatever you may think, gets it right, way more often than not. Why? Video replays! The NHL Bush league of bush leagues, continues to make excuses, it will slow down the game, it will affect the player’s momentum, etc. With parity, and every point of paramount importance, they need to figure out a way to get calls right , albeit in an expedient as possible manner, just like the rest of the pro leagues that utilize replays and reviews!

    I’m tired of coaches not having a means to dispute a call, and the pundits, like that TSN panelist ex-coach that continually craps on the idea of video reviews. It’s past time! If the reffing wasn’t so glaringly horrible, he might have a case, but, there are WAY too many nights when incompetent officiating costs teams valuable points. Nuff said….

    • ooder says:

      the nhl refs are horribly inconsistent but let’s take it easy with worst refs in any sports.
      ever watch soccer? or ice skating (not refs but judges).. at least these guys don’t take bribes

    • Cal says:

      You must have seen some minor league hockey, yes?
      Have you seen how the refs are treated by pretty much everyone in the arena? I wouldn’t treat a dog that way, but ALL THE LEAGUES allow not only the crowd to heap abuse on the officials, they allow the coaches and the players to do it, too. Is it any wonder that potentially good to great refs say, “Eff this! It’s not worth my time or effort.”
      Only the alligator-skinned make it. Guys like the incomparable Chris Lee and Tim Peel. You want better reffing? It starts in the minor leagues, where the on-ice officials are treated worse than shit. Fix that, and in 10 years we may see some competent on-ice refs.

      • Sal from the Hammer says:

        Good point! I reffed minor league hockey in Sudbury for many years. Thankless job. I didn’t want to throw them all in the same basket. There are good ones. But, they are well compensated, and, mostly because they are well compensated, there is plenty of people that would be more than happy to take the abuse for that reason. Let’s not forget, plenty of these guys have their own fame and followers and do very well in their post career lives.

  11. krob1000 says:

    Just for the record…HAbs 32-25 in hits last night. Habs outshot LA 31-30. HAbs got trounced 6-0. Sometimes teh score makes people created their own reasons the team lost…it is hockey ….crap happens, you win some you shouldn;’t , you lose some you shouldn’t (hello Oilers game!Isles beat San Jose last night, etc). That is hockey …Habs did not get beat because of their size or any other crap reason people are coming up with. They didn’t capitalize when they had chances, the Kings did. Habs made a few costly mistakes…LA converted..good for them.

  12. jrshabs1 says:

    Bill…what were the reasons for the loss? You never give any reasons other than smaller is better. Your small Habs will never win anything come playoff time. Why wasn’t Murray playing last night Bill? Was Frank Bouillon the better option against the Kings?
    Bill…is your smaller is better mantra a philosophy or complex?

    Go Habs Go!!

  13. jrs10069 says:

    I blame the coach for the beating. He has to dress the big boys against big boys. Parros, Murray and Tinordi in, Briere, Bouillon and Diaz out. At least then the rest of the team can play big. Otherwise everyone is skating around like a bunch of bitches getting manhandled.

    What would you do if you were the Kings coming in and saw that the habs benched the big boys? Party time..


    • JUST ME says:

      Whenever i see a comment like yours i go read the previous comments of the guy. In your case it says it all….

      • jrs10069 says:

        I think you meant “from” the guy..everyone is very impressed with your research skills, spare us the wait and fill us in on what exactly it says…


    • Luke says:

      Maybe Murray. MAYBE. I think the speed of the Kings would have rendered him just as effective as the Kings size rendered Boullion. But I’ll give you the Maybe.

      Tinordi? Of the “struggling in the AHL Tinordi”?
      Parros? Against that squad? Oh my.

      I don’t think switching the 12th forward and the 5th & 6th defenseman would have made all the difference in the world. It may have set us up for a worse beating to be honest.

      The Sky is not falling. There is room for improvement. Parros/Murray & (This year’s) Tinordi isn’t it.

      • jrs10069 says:

        No kidding Parros is like a pylon but the idea is to smarten them up just a little. Goals 3 and 4 were dipshit Clifford running our goalie. He may have been a little reluctant to do that knowing he would have to dance later. Especially given how bad a dancer he is.


        • Luke says:

          meh. not really. I’m guessing (just like you are) that Clifford’s game doesn’t change one bit whether Parros plays or not.

          Guys don’t make it to the NHL bybeing afraid.

          Clifford (and so many NHLers) probably played for many years with guys much more unhinged than Parros in the opposition lineup.

    • matrags says:

      There is no doubt that size helps especially in proctecting your goal mouth . Surely that was evident last night. Up front our big forwards do not play big ,and often times the sweet area for scoring is left vacant. Life is seldom made difficult for opposing goltenders, Gallagher can only do so much.

    • habsguru says:

      against Richards, Carter and Kopitar, Tinordi would have exemplified the skill of a toddler.

  14. Bill says:

    It’s pretty simplistic to say the Habs lost because the Kings are big. I notice that the Habs have beaten several big teams, yes, even ones from that magical Western conference everybody hypes. They have also lost to some small teams.

    I’m thinking that possibly it’s a little more complicated than “bigger team will win”.

    Full Breezer 4 Life

    • Maksimir says:


      Boston got smacked 6-0 by Detroit earlier this season.. so should they trade for smaller, faster players now? Or in the vernacular of todays internet: moar smalr, fastr playas

      • jrs10069 says:

        Of course it helps that the Kings are big and FAST and play a very aggressive style but…habs small players aren’t exactly lightning fast. Last night the smallest guy on the Kings was Richards, how do you think the habs players are feeling sitting on the bench looking at the beasts? Confident? Don’t think so.


    • Seps says:

      It’s not the sole reason we lost but if you watched the game it most definitely helped.

    • JUST ME says:

      I agree with you Bill that it did not only have to do with size of players but part of it did. I think the structure of our team is like L.A`s but we would need a few more Pacioretties to be able to compete against western teams. Skill, speed and size.

      That being said i do not think that playing this guy instead of that guy would have changed anything yesterday.

    • shiram says:

      What is most funny to me after such a loss as last night, is the righteous fury and anger some poster display.
      As if somehow their own honor or integrity was tarnished by last night’s game.

      Chill pill anyone?

    • Lagerhab says:

      Sure we are going to win against bigger teams and we have, but nobody will convince me that having 4 small players in our top 9 is a recipe for success in the playoffs. Sure we may win a series here and there but to go all the way and win the cup? However, I’m not losing sleep over it , I believe we’re on the right path and I’m sure moving forward MB will continue to address this.

  15. shiram says:

    Let’s keep it positive, at least now the coaching staff will have alot of video footage to show the players on what went wrong!

    Such losses as last night happen, it’s not the end of the world, Habs still have a great record.

    What matter is how they respond to this loss, the coaching staff needs to work with the players to figure out what went wrong and how to prevent it. The player leadership needs to ensure the room is still in good spirits while making sure the guys are pumped to roar back in the next game.
    And us fans need not dwell on such a loss for too long, there’s been an incredible amount of positives surrounding the team lately, let’s not focus on the one sore spot.

  16. Lagerhab says:

    Last night was a reality check. I love our team they are fun to watch and they are a good team no doubt about it. I respect almost all of the players for what they bring but there is still a ways to go. We all know where we have to improve and I’m sure MB will continue to address the needs of the team. Still, I worry about a drop off at some point, I guess the end of last year gives me pause.

  17. Mondou6 says:

    I think Goal Differential is a pretty good barometer, and in the NHL, we’re, I think, around 9th. We probably benefit a little from playing against weaker East teams. But anyway, I think you could safely say that we’re somewhere between the 9th-12th best team out of 30 in the league.

    Our team is pretty good, but it doesn’t really feel like we’re good enough to win a Cup. We’re missing something to get to that next level, whether it’s scoring or size, I dunno.

  18. Seps says:

    And why did Bouillon play again? Or is everyone else just as confused as I am…

  19. Seps says:

    Anyone else notice that Diaz looked shy again last night against a bigger team? He plays scared way too often for my liking, if we’re going to make a run in the playoffs he needs to go or be scratched.

    • mrhabby says:

      who replaces diaz if he is scratched in the playoffs.

      • Seps says:

        Tinordi and Beaulieu have both looked fine whenever they play, and they need experience. If the coach is really against that, there’s always Bouillon-Murray as the final pairing. Just frustrating watching 35-year-old mediocre Bouillon take the place of future d-men who look ready.

        • FlyAngler says:

          Tinordi looked anything but ready at the start of the season. Every time that he handled the puck was an adventure and he was particularly poor in the Habs end. Beaulieu showed much more poise, but does not really bring the physical aspect. Talk is that Pateryn is the first D that they will call up.

          “Elever le flambeau!…Raise the Torch!”

    • krob1000 says:

      THis is a misconception….he is not shy…he is prudent. He knows that sometimes he is not going to win the battle on the boards or have time to make a play so he maintains good defensive position by staying between his man and the net or middle of the ice. HE often times it so that he can go in together with the guy but maintain inside position. Coaches would much prefer this than going to the boards first in a position where you are going to get hit, lose the puck and your man is inside you now and you are outside the play. They have to realize their surroundings and know waht their support is, who is going to be next to the puck if it is a draw, who is open or checked if the other team gets the puck. This is the hockey sense that means everything…this what makes PLeks special. This is what Subban was being told when he “went looking for the hit” and MT ponted it out early on in CH24. There are situations itmakes sense and there are others you just maintain the body position…..Diaz is very smart and most often makes the right decision. We fans often look at each individual play as an individual play…they are not…there is a lot goingg on away fromt he puck and it is the split second play reading and resulting reactions that separate playeras at thigher levels as in most cases skills are relatively comparable.

      • Seps says:

        Being a constant second to the puck against a big team is not a solution, and although it may be a smart choice sometimes, we haven’t fallen in love with Gallagher because he’s “smart” and has no desire to take the hit just to get to the puck first.

        • krob1000 says:

          That is because Gallagher plays that way iin the offensive zone…as are the guys Diaz is competing against. MT clearly has his players stay “inside the play” in their own end and play conservatively. We often get frustrated with long possessions where it seems noone knocks guys off the puck but it is calculated risks within a conservative system. He wants the guys to maintain inside position, block lanes, block shots, keep everything to the outside. Where the real trouble was was getting beat so badly to the puck that the Kings had too much time to decide what to do with it…however, I take that with a grain of salt given the state of the game when they looked really ugly. Guys visibly got lazy once they knew it was over.

  20. Ian Cobb says:

    Toe Blake and Scotty Bowman use to bench guys that were to lazy to skate the puck across the red line before shooting it into the other end. We are the worse team in the league for icing the puck, it’s terrible.

    On a positive note, we have had a great run playing the last month or so. Very entertaining hockey for the fans.

    Against these big, fast, very skilled and well coached teams teams, we must bring our A game just to stay along side. It was a great measuring stick for our team, as to where we have to get to yet before we can ever start thinking of a parade.

  21. doc359 says:

    You know what? Despite what happened last night, we have a damn good team, and it is a blast to watch them play. One game doesn’t change what they have and are going to accomplish

    • adamkennelly says:

      I agree – game last night was not a big deal – unless you are one of the 21K who spent money going to it.

      Habs score on the PP early and things definitely end up different

      as in 6-1 Kings – worst case.

  22. krob1000 says:

    Habs played decent first period….late goal in period was killer. Then the 2nd starts and they get another…game over at 3-0 Habs know this against a team as tight as LA (would never admit). Everything after that is irrelevant. The Habs could just as easily walked out of that first period up 1 or 2-0 and then the game is different IMO. The Habs lost, the KIngs were the better team but the 6-0 is not really indicative IMO.
    If no late goal in the first, and correct call on 3rd goal made then it is still 1-0 and the boys have something to play for…I doubt it goes as it did.

    • Phil C says:

      Very good point. The Habs easily could have had the lead going to the 2nd instead of down 2-0, which would have completely changed the complexion of the game.

      I don’t mind a good trouncing every now and then anyway as it helps expose the team’s deficiencies. Might as well figure out in December where the weaknesses are in the line up while there is still time to adjust.

    • savethepuck says:

      Totally agree. Several things happened to put the Kings up 3-0. Hockey is a game of momentum, and if anything happens differently in the first 25 minutes, there is most likely a much different result.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

    • The_Truth says:

      If the Kings didn’t score a lot and the Habs did, they would have won. Well, Ok, but that is not what happened, so kind of irrelevant.

      • krob1000 says:

        yeah…ok. 2 points is 2 points…HAbs lost but the attitude on here that they were totally destroyed is ridiculous beecuase everything after the 3rd goal that shouldn’t have counted doesn’t matter.

  23. Old Bald Bird says:

    One worry right now is that they don’t go into their almost annual pre-Christmas swoon. After their recent roll, however, I worry that they are rather overdue for a losing streak.

  24. donmarco says:

    No sin in losing to a team like LA. It was so frustrating, though, to see the Kings crash the net on seemingly every offensive possession and the Habs just didn’t seem ready to pay the price to score the greasy goals.

    Philadelphia has started to right the ship, but there’s a reasonable expectation the Habs should earn another 4 points minimum this week. If they don’t, though, the hand wringing will begin. Considering the way they played against NJ and Buffalo last week this game was due.

    Now get over it.

  25. Stevie.Ray says:

    L.A.’s top two players used to be Kopitar and Brown. Then somehow they got their hands on two former superstars signed long term for cheap in Richards and Doughty. Then they drafted a stud defenceman, and rounded out their team with decent size and skill.

    If only there was a team willing to part with their best forward who is signed long term for cheap…

  26. Phil C says:

    The Kings are big, the Kings won the game, therefore big teams are better? That seems to be the logic around here this morning. But where is the evidence? The Habs’ biggest defensemen and a punishing hitter was -3, meanwhile diminutive Diaz was even in a 6-0 trouncing. How does that work? It’s not like he didn’t play, he logged almost 18 minutes which is a lot for a third pairing guy.

    – First goal was just bad coverage and a juicy rebound. Habs were not moving their feet.
    – The 2nd goal was Briere getting beat on a puck battle against Richards who is only 5’11”. Size was a factor there, but it doesn’t take much to be bigger than Briere. I still don’t know why Briere is a winger.
    – 3rd was goalie interference and blown coverage by Prust. Why is Prust playing anything but 4th line minutes?
    – 4th was probably goalie interference as well, but Clifford also blew right past Subban on a nicely executed mini 3-2. So if Subban was bigger it would have been different? Sometimes the other team just makes a nice play.
    – 5th goal, Pacioretty, who is huge by NHL standards, fell down for no reason, and Muzzin just walked in untouched, while Budaj looked like he was shot from the grassy knoll.
    – 6th goal; does it even matter? Habs were barely trying at this point.

    The Kings’ size had nothing to do with any of the goals except for Richards out-muscling Briere. They worked harder than the Habs all night, they were skating and driving the net, while the Habs were flat-footed a lot.

    LA plays well defensively, so their size helps in that regard, but the Habs had their chances, they just couldn’t finish. They had more shots in the 1st period than the Islanders did the entire game against LA. The Habs have been having trouble scoring all season, so I’m not sure it’s just because LA were so much bigger, the problem goes deeper than that.

    Let’s not get carried away with this size thing. Yes the Habs could use a bit more size up front, and one more bruising top four defenseman, but it would be meaningless if they played like they did last night.

    The biggest problem last night was LA showed up to compete, Montreal didn’t. They have had a lot of hockey recently, including a few emotional wins which all takes its toll. The Habs were due for a stinker.

    • knob says:

      LA’s size had more to do with keeping the Habs out of good scoring positions, for the most part. To be honest, I believe that this loss was over due – we squeeked out wins against NJ and Buf. The defence has been sloppy at best for most of the season.

      Montreal did not have an answer for the Kings last night but big deal we just got finished a streak of 19 out of 20 points. The key thing will be Montreal putting this game file in the trash and avoiding a losing streak.

  27. Maritime Ronn says:

    From here, the final score was far from the problem.

    Good teams get their butt handed to them once in a while.
    Chicago has already lost 7-2 against Nashville and 5-1 against Colorado.
    Pittsburgh has been beaten 6-3 by…Florida.

    There are 2 items that are tiny red flags – 1 being a video tape, and the other being Briere-Therrien.

    The video tape is a bother because it showed that crashing Carey Price can still be done with little to no payback.
    Teams will study that tape.
    Would the presence of Murray been a factor?
    We’ll never know, but Murray and his 13-14 minutes cannot hold a fort together for a complete game.

    Regardless if the 3rd goal should have counted or not, the Kings took up squatting rights in Carey’s blue paint at will – bumped and pushed Carey around, and there was no one in sight to help out.

    The responsibility is not only on the Dmen, but the forwards who were invisible when that was going on.

    If anything was fortunate, it was the Kings letting up the crashing and banging once the score was out of hand.
    It could have been much worse.

    Danny is a respected veteran, and we can argue endlessly whether or not he should have been signed.
    The bottom line is that he is now a Hab, and he should not be treated the way he is being treated.

    If he is not worthy to play, then sit him out.
    If he is, then play him – don’t let him sit on the bench and embarrass him.

    Prior to last night, 2 of Briere’s last 3 games had him play 7:45 and 9:33.

    Last night up to the end of the 2nd period, Briere had logged a miniscule 4:21 of Even Strength time.
    With the Kings leading 6-0, Therrien decides to throw him to the wolves in the 3rd period and plays him…4:20.

    No player deserves anything, yet there were several other worse passengers last night that shall remain nameless – that were not involved, and stayed away from everything and anything physical, yet their minutes were not affected….and Bournival also rode the pine and played 7:16.

    • Phil C says:

      I also find Therrien’s use of Briere perplexing. I would like to see him get 10 games in DD’s spot to see what he could do, but we all know that will never happen.

      As for the crashing, I don’t really like the make up of the Habs top four defensemen. Three left shots forces Emelin to play the right side where he is not as physical. I like Gorges, but he does not complement Markov or Emelin. If they could swap Gorges for a RH defenseman with enough talent to play with Markov in the top four and move Emelin to Subban’s left, I think that would be a huge upgrade. Spread out the offense while having more toughness on both pairings.

    • Habsrule1 says:

      I’m glad you said “tiny” red flags. That’s all they were, if that.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        “Tiny” they are…at this moment.
        Here’s hoping they get fixed internally, and here’s also hoping the Briere thingy doesn’t become a team chemisty issue

    • mrhabby says:

      MR…true about Briere sit him in the press box or play him hard. I still give Briere some slack but man its getting harder.

    • knob says:

      I was not a supporter of the Briere signing, not because of his talents or size but because I think he is a d. bag.

      With that said, Briere is not a fourth line player and when he plays with skilled players he is creating chances. The down side to Briere is that he is by far our worst defensive player.

      Briere should be getting a regular shift and he should be playing with Plekanec or Desharnais.

  28. aHabGrowsInBrooklyn says:

    Kings are an elite organisation. Their AHL affiliate is tops in the east with 37 points in 26 games. The Habs’ affiliate Bulldogs have 27 points in 25 games in the west.

    Yes, the Habs were eviscerated at home last night, and it was not pretty. But those games happen. (We can’t even blame Tim Peel. Or maybe we can! Why not?)

    It’s amusing to see a lot of unfamiliar posters on HIO last night and to a lesser degree today. A big loss really does bring the trolls out of the woodwork.

    Let’s see the Big Bad Habs — with Murray and maybe Parros — take on the Flyers on Thursday, and hope for a return to mean for les gars.

    Go Habs!

    • JUST ME says:

      It was to be expected that the trolls would come out cause they were waiting for a loss any loss to spill their negativity. But even today they look like jerks cause we all know that yesterday`s loss does not mean anything.

      If you look at statistics , the Kings and Habs look alike but on the ice …All we can say is that the western conference is a big step ahead of our conference and that the real measuring unit is when we play against them. Unfortunately yesterday was also a bad game in the system for the habs so it`s difficult to define something to build on. Let`s just get back to work and keep on doing what did the job so far.

    • GrosBill says:

      Troll here.

      Been waiting since Nov 16 to finally be able to crawl out for under my bridge.

      What a bunch of small, soft smurfs this bottom feeding team is eh? Worst D in the league. Ignoring everyone including the media that they have the best 1-2 in the league helps me maintain this point of view.

      MT doesn’t have a clue, is he still coach? 82-0 MT, how hard is that? Price over Halak, pffftt, was he Halak-tric last night? Bum, get rid of him and Waite.

      MB is OBVIOUSLY an idiot. He has had all the time in the world to build this team into a respectable team. Trade them all! Why he hasn’t been able to get Weber, Lucic, Ovey. A brick wall to replace Price seems easy enough.

      One game people. Getting spanked happens. At least it wasn’t the Bruins or Leafs or a team like the Panthers. Hate to break it to everyone, but they will likely get spanked again before the year is over regardless of how they are playing or where they are in the standings.

  29. habsfan0 says:

    While the Habs were due to have a pungent aroma filled game, the thoroughness of their shellacking at the hands of a big,highly skilled team should be cause for some concern and will probably revitalize trade talk which had largely been dormant over the last couple of weeks.

  30. John Q Public says:

    The justification around here is sickening.
    These are professionals and should have been prepared to play the game.

    I just hope they don’t collapse like last season.
    Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

  31. arcosenate says:

    As a brand new Kings fan…not really, but they were pretty good, it helps when the ref lets you play in the opposing team’s crease of course but even without 2 goals they dominate 4-0. The coach made a serious error in not dressing Murray, in made no sense yesterday afternoon and less today.

    Not saying that would have translated into a win but it surely would have made the Kings think twice before crashing the crease.

    In any case, onward and upward, Philly tomorrow will be tough, have to get over this and bounce back with a strong effort to keep the ball rolling.

    You really can’t win them all.

  32. knob says:

    I really believed that the Canadiens were playing with the Kings right up to the third goal. Carey was clearly interfered with and the goal should not have counted and that my friends was the back breaker.

  33. Max says:

    The habs are a completely different team when scoring first.If they had scored on that initial power play blitz,it may have been a different story.When they get behind early they get completely off their game and are too easily exposed defensively.

  34. The Jackal says:

    Meh every team has a stinker, this is nothing to worry about.
    And it is definitely not a reason to start getting on the moar bigger bandwagon.

    Some have already been saying how we need to stop drafting smaller players, etc. That’s complete crap. So the Kings have no one who needs a booster seat at the team dinner, so what? The most recent and better champs, the Hawks have a couple of smaller guys. The Bruins have 2-3 smaller guys, the Wings aren’t exactly a big team either, but all these teams have been excellent for years.

    Size is just one part of the equation. You can’t get all beaten up about not having as much of it because a bigger team beat you.

    And Doughty outplayed PK? Why is this even a point to be made? It’s as pointless as saying that Jones outplayed our goalies. It was a team defeat and theirs was a team victory – how hard did they Kings have to play after the took over? It was not a game to discern which defenseman played better.

    All in all, Habs will bounce back, and they’ve already put this in their behind, and so should you 😉

    Hockey sine stercore tauri.

  35. Steeltown Hab says:

    Last night was a complete beat down.

    Why does Therrien treat Briere the way we should treat DD? Like Briere plays big in big games (i.e. Boston, playoff track record, etc.) but when the games are tight he’s stapled to the bench.

    Why not swap Eller/Bournival in Desharnais’ spot in these game type situations.


    Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Emelin, Bournival, De La Rose – @J_Perez22

  36. FANHABULOUS says:

    Trade everyone! Fire MT and MB! Molson should sell the club and move it to Vegas!

    Ok, does that appease the Debbie-downer crowd? Now, let’s stop and think about the game for a second.

    Just like MT said, you file this one under the Stinker column, and move on. Nothing to be learned from last night… no “Habs can’t play with the elite teams”, or “Habs are too soft”etc etc. We played badly… they played well. End of story. One bad game does not mean we are horrible. If you really believe one game is an indicator of a team’s qualities and destiny, then by that rationale we are the best team in the East, cause you know, we beat both the Pens and Bruins. So obviously we are better than them (insert sarcastic emoticon here).

    “You will not regret picking me” – PK Subban.

  37. Ton says:

    Reading some of the comments……..Montreal have no choice to make a trade for size…….meaning give up some your smaller prospects coupled with a larger player ex. Patch or Borque to obtain a good sized effective player…….. When we traded Cammy it was for this reason………we need to do it again to make “further” advancement towards getting bigger. It doesn’t happen all at once but were at that point again…….ex. Reway Leblanc Borque and a 2 rounder gets you what?

  38. Hobie Hansen says:

    Can’t get too worked up over one game. I actually believe this version of the Habs, with a bit of good fortune, maybe dodging Boston, could make it to the Stanley Cup Finals.

    However, we’d be destroyed in a seven game series against a team like the Kings, Sharks, Hawks or Blues. If we played in the West we probably wouldn’t even make the playoffs either.

    Most of those teams have a greater skill level than the Habs, are faster and they’re much bigger and stronger. The Habs are still another big power forward and another Alex Emelin away from even entering the conversation.

    • adamkennelly says:


    • Habsrule1 says:

      I disagree somewhat. I think if we played the west more often, the team would adjust to it. I think the adjustments have begun. I also think that last night was an anomaly. If we played them 10 times in a row, 9 would probably be much closer.

      That said, we may not be quite ready to play those teams yet, but I think that’s normal given the fact that we don’t really have the opportunity to play them and adjust to their game. I think the Habs management are more interested in competing with the east…for now. The next step will be to build towards being the best in the NHL.

      Put this behind us and learn from it.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • Ton says:

      In a 7 game series we could not beat Pitts, Bruins for sure…..in tough against Flyers, Tor, Det………… if we did advance to the finals (odds are against us) your right I give them a game 5 games series in the finals!

      • Habsrule1 says:

        When the bruins won the Cup, we went to game 7 in OT, and we have since gotten bigger.

        I’m not too sure about your predictions against all these teams. The way we’ve payed so far this season, I would be more inclined to say that not many teams could beat us in a 7 game series.

        Go Habs Go!!

        “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

      • Mavid says:

        we did beat Pitts and Washington a couple of years back when they said we could not…so I don’t buy that assumtion. I also agree that if we played the West more..adjustments would be made

        Weed Wacker Grandma Smurf

  39. habstrinifan says:

    Best comment on last night came from my wife as she consoled me in bed.

    “Honey it happens to everyone… you gotta realize that your measuring stick is still a tad too short… Come to bed and try to put it behind”

    I didn’t even know she was watching LÁntichambre.

  40. theflower says:

    Even the best teams lose games now and again. It’s called parity in the NHL. I can say I’m hoping that all those goals we have not given up so far was spent last night with LA hehe. So we will call this 6 a one off and get back to the business of being a solid, reliable defensive and offensive team we have been all season. After all, what we did in November was really magical and I am sure one game won’t have the boys falling apart. Philly will get us back to doing what we do. Go Habs Go!

  41. scavanau says:

    A good trouncing is a way to keep us grounded and reminds us to keep focus.

  42. Maritime Ronn says:

    DipsyDoodler writes:
    ” Kings have great scouting and a smart GM. But let’s not forget how many years in a row they tanked.”
    Agree with the 1st sentence, not quite sure about the 2nd one.

    Since 1998, the Kings have had 3 Top 10 draft picks:
    2007: # 4 Thomas Hickey
    2008: # 2 Drew Doughty
    2009: # 5 Braydon Schenn


    It’s really not the Kings fault when Anze Kopitar was still available at the 11th spot in 2005 when other teams chose Benoit Pouliot-Gilbert Brule-Brian Lee-Luc Bordon ahead of Kopitar.

    …Or that Jonathan Quick was still available and chosen in the 72nd position that same year.

    The Captain Dustin Brown was the 13th pick in 2003, while the Habs picked 10th that same year and chose…..Andrei Kostitsyn.

    A lot of the big size make-up of the team can be traced back to lower round drafting of size and trades.

    Take the Assistant Captain 6’3″-234 Dman Matt Greene.
    He was a 44th overall pick by Edmonton and was acquired along with Jarret Stoll for….Lubomir Visnovsky.

    Doughty’s slick Dman partner 24 year old Jake Muzzin was signed as a UFA in 2010 after Pitt never signed him having drafted him 141st in 2007.
    The other excellent young Dman Slava Voynov was a 32nd overall in 2008

    • Eddie says:

      Ron, but UCE nailed it last night.

      Give me those 6’2, 6’3 forwards and dmen every time in the draft.

      Why are we still picking Andrighetto’s and Reway’s?

      There’s no point.

      Lets establish a formula and stick to it. Once we get to the lower rounds why pick players who are 5’8 or 5’9?

      Brendan Gallagher is a freak. He plays like he’s 6’2.

      • Cal says:

        Does Timmins not like drafting anyone taller than him? 😉

      • Ozmodiar says:


        >Brendan Gallagher is a freak. He plays like he’s 6’2.

        Hindsight is 20/20. If such a formula was used in 2010, Gally wouldn’t have been picked by the Habs. At the time of the draft, Gally wasn’t widely touted as a freak who plays like he’s 6’2”. If he was, his name would have been called much earlier. It’s only now, after he’s made as a top line player, that we can say, “well, we’d make an exception for a guy like that.”.

        • Eddie says:

          That’s a good point. But Gallagher has always played the same style even in junior hockey.

          So we knew we were drafting a very physical and relentless player.

          • Ozmodiar says:

            Of course he played that way in Junior. Otherwise, we wouldn’t have been drafted at all.

            The question was – will it translate to the NHL?

            Every player in the later rounds is going to have question marks, and upside. The purpose of such a formula – size in later rounds – is to stick to size rather than making exceptions here and there. Look at Hudon – should they have passed on him?

        • Maritime Ronn says:

          If you look back at Gally’s junior years, he could put the puck in the net, but he also had huge penalty minutes.

          During 2 of his last 3 years of junior, he racked up 108 and 111 minutes of penalties – then in his last year, another 79 minutes in only 54 games.

          Perhaps several teams shied away from him thinking that a small guy playing such a tough game could not survive long in the NHL.

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        hi eddie

        The other head scratcher was trading Kristo for 5’9-170 Christian Thomas, when the Habs lack of size up front would/will take years to address.

        Thomas may turn out to be a good pro, yet teams have only a certain amount of slots for small guys in this new NHL – and those smaller guys better be superb talents not just during the season, yet in the playoffs when it counts.

        • Ozmodiar says:

          Not much of a head-scratcher. Thomas and Kristo are scoring at the same clip in the AHL this year. Thomas is 2 years younger than Kristo. The Habs got the better player.

          I’m guessing the line-up of GMs willing to trade away size for Kristo was a short one. Perhaps MB’s thinking was – if we can’t get bigger, we’ll get better.

        • Eddie says:

          I said at the the time of the trade, if we had to give up Kristo because there was a problem there, then why not get a bigger player in return?

          Kristo was our best forward prospect in my opinion.

          We could have received a bigger body, forward or defence, because everyone knew Kristo was a talent.

          Definitely a questionable decision.

    • savethepuck says:

      Agree with your post Ron but you really shouldn’t include Luc Bourdon in those chosen before Kopitar in your example. A local Maritime kid who died tragically in a motorcycle accident long before he had a chance to prove himself at the NHL level.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

    • Stevie.Ray says:

      Thought for sure Montreal was going to draft either Brule or Kopitar in 2005. Brule was at one time considered a top 2 pick that year with Crosby, but slid to 6, and then disappeared. I thought we would take Kopitar because our team always felt so European. Needless to say I was shocked with Price at number 5, but knew he would a stud.

  43. FlyAngler says:

    Obviously you cannot blame the Referees for this one. But, that said as others have noted, the 3rd and 4th goals were dubious. I watched the LA feed on Center Ice and even the Kings’ color man commented on the 3rd goal saying “by the rule book, that goal should not have counted.” What I found most interesting about that play was that Mssr. Pollock was the official in position to make that call and it was he who completely blew another interference with the goaltender call in the Pens-Leafs game, when Malkin pushed Reimer over the goal line before depositing the puck into the net.

    I thought that there were at least two flagrant infractions that were left uncalled while the Habs were on power plays that should have resulted in a two man advantage. Neither was marginal.

    Again, as is often discussed here, there is a problem with maintaining a standard and consistency in NHL officiating and officials seem to be given to much leeway with regard to what penalties they call when.

    That a mid-pack official like Pollock is going to Sochi, does not speak well for the League or its leadership.

    All of that said, it is just one game, a game that they did not deserve to win and hopefully, they bounce back on Thursday night.

    “Elever le flambeau!…Raise the Torch!”

  44. savethepuck says:

    It is so fun reading some of the comments sometimes after a loss. You have people that appear to be waiting in the Wings just hoping the Habs F up against the right team so they can come on here and say “I told you so “.
    I agree that last night’s game proved something to me. It proved that last night the Kings played better than the Habs. Nothing more and nothing less because at the end of the day it was just 1 game out of an 82 game schedule. I don’t want to insult anyone but I think the most ridiculous thing I read on here are regular season games being referred to as a measuring stick game. If it is games 80,81, or 82 and your team needs to win to make the playoffs, you can refer to these games as measuring stick games, but anything can happen on any given night in the NHL between any 2 teams and it doesn’t mean Team A is far superior to Team B or vice versa, it simply means that team played better on that given night ( or sometimes they just got the breaks ). The next road trip can be a measuring stick, or the next 10 games can be a measuring stick, but nobody will ever be able to convince me that any single regular season game will ever be a “measuring stick game” or will ever prove anything about the 2 teams involved. There is a reason playoff positioning is decided by a team’s record over 82 games.

    End of rant with apologies.

    “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
    Carey Price

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Nailed it Dale. Good post. Hey, you think Timo will be in a good mood today? 🙂

    • Eddie says:

      Had we clobbered the Kings 6-0, would you have agreed it was a measuring stick game?

      Who are we kidding?

      We were all waiting to see how this team, when healthy like last night, could hold up against an elite western team.

      Now that the result was so lopsided, the defence mechanism to keep the bandwagon full of cheer, is ” one game, doesn’t matter”.

      Every game matters, win or lose, close or a blow out.

      • Habfan10912 says:

        Eddie, I’ll choose the Boston and Pittsburgh games as my measuring stick and call last nights farce an outlier.

      • savethepuck says:

        I would of been happy for the win but I assure you I am not upset over the lopsided loss. I am looking at the standings in front of me and it shows the Habs are 3rd in the East, 3 points out of first and 8-1-1 in their last 10. It is not showing a 6-0 pasting by the Kings anywhere on the only Page that matters to me.
        I stand by my statement that no regular season game is ever a measuring stick of any kind.

        “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
        Carey Price

      • Habsrule1 says:

        Completely disagree.

        Before the game started, my thought was the Habs were bound to have a let down eventually, and if it happens against the kings, it would get ugly. That’s exactly what happened.
        The “measuring stick” will be how they come back from this and what they learn. That being said, I just think it’s one game in a season of positives. If they had played that way against a lesser team, they still may have lost, but maybe 3-0 instead of 6-0.
        Let’s see how they react. The last time they lost 6-0 at home they went on to win 5 ina row and get 16 of a possible 18 points.

        Go Habs Go!!

        “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

      • JF says:

        But we played a elite western team only a few weeks ago. We were missing Alexei Emelin, and Patch had just returned, but we still managed a 3-2 shootout loss. Did that not prove anything?

  45. Habfan10912 says:

    And I was all ready to cry and moan over one of the worst non calls of the season.


    There was also a disallowed goal in the Sens/Sabres game last night that was equally as bad. I haven’t been able to locate a video .

  46. Edman says:

    6-0 to a team that is arguably the best in the west. CHI, STL, SJ are all up there as well, but only one of those teams will come out of the west.

    To Leaf Fans, at least we lost 6-0 to LA and not CBJ…just sayin 😉

    -Follow Me @EddieThoughts

  47. JF says:

    I’m glad to see that people aren’t over-reacting to last night’s game with rants about how we’re too small and too soft and calls for Therrien to be fired and half the team to be traded. Therrien’s reaction was that there is nothing to be taken from a game like that and the team should move on. So should the fans. Stinkers happen to all teams. In fact, we’re probably about the only team in the League who had not had one until now. Get back to work, use it as motivation, and win next time.

  48. DMAN says:

    LA Kings???? Is this the same team that lost 5-1 to Tampa Bay in October???? Jonathan Quick was pulled in that game!!!!

    Was that an indication of who the real LA Kings were? Or are they the team that beat MTL 6-0?

    I have loved the Habs since I was a child but the childishness of the fans sometimes irks me. How is ONE 6-0 loss against one of the better teams anymore a benchmark than 6-2 win over a very good Minnesota team??????

    I get the old “we expect more” mantra. BUT this team just came off of an amazing November and with one loss we are ready to cash it all in! DUMB, DUMB, DUMB!!!!

  49. Habfan10912 says:

    Let’s all overreact to one game now. Price stinks. Briere is a bust. Should have played Parros and Murray. Can’t play with the big boys. 4 and a half inches erect on the measuring stick. Smurf Habs. We draft horrible. Patches is a disappointment. We need to tank like the Kings did. And this all before 8:00 am. Well at least we won’t be talking about American politics. Sigh.

    Oh, almost forgot, good morning friends.

    • Cal says:

      Hey Jim, the “I told you so” crowd that was ducking under the bridge will be out in force today. It’s one game out of 82. Oh, the Habs are the worst! Not! And not by a long way. The team is closer than most cautious posters would like to say. (Out loud, anyway!)
      Anyway, chin up. Another one on Thursday.

  50. adamkennelly says:

    measuring stick game last night..Habs came in at 4 1/4 inches – erect.

    this is what happens when you play the big boys – Habs had “chances” early and game could have started differently – and ended up not 6-0 but facing facts – LA would destroy our Habs in a playoff series…so….back to being patient and managing our expectations.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Yep, Boston, Pittsburgh and St. Louis are little boys.

      • Cal says:

        All the so-called “contenders” have bad games during the season. There is yet to be a team that goes 82-0.

      • adamkennelly says:

        I get it – you think the Habs measure up well against LA, Bos, Pit and STL in a 7 game playoff series then – is that what you are trying to say?

        • Habfan10912 says:

          I’m saying that its one game (a horrendous game at that). Just like I can’t say they measure up you can’t say they don’t. The team played very well against these other teams plus they have a pretty good history against the Bruins.

          My point is we are over reacting to one game.

          • adamkennelly says:

            I get it – but I’m not over reacting – my point is – lets get our expectations in check. Are we a team that can’t beat LA – nope but are we a “real” Cup contender because we had a very nice run and got a bunch of points – including wins over some decent teams – negative.

            also – we have too many little guys on our team.

            why did Murray not play? MT waiting for the Habs to play the Lakers to decide we could use all the size we can get.

          • Habfan10912 says:

            @Adam. I agree. We all came crashing back to earth last night. I’m a Murray fan as well but we’re talking about a #6 dman at best and I don’t think he’d have made that big of a difference last night. But a bigger lineup would have made more sense. Cheers.

    • Arnou Ruelle says:

      Its a new day today. Last night became the past. We can vent our frustration but like the team, we move on.

      When GSP do interviews, he always take the present issue as his agenda and not recollect on the past nor the opponent after his next.

      The Flyers are the Canadiens’ next opponent, so this is what they are now preparing for tomorrow. Let’s just move on…

  51. Laramy87 says:

    Meh stinkers happen. Not concerned.

    On to Philly

  52. Stevie.Ray says:

    Trade ’em all, am’i’right?

  53. Maritime Ronn says:

    The evolution of the backup goalie during the past decade is nothing short of amazing.

    Once upon a time when a team played a backup, there was a great opportunity for 2 points.

    Playing against a 3rd stringer on home ice – as was the case last night with 23 year old Martin Jones and his career 2 NHL games of experience, would have almost been a guarantee of 2 points.

    No more!
    The young guys are now solid and well schooled when called upon – prepared and have no fear.

    Looking around the NHL, young Martin Jones is not alone.
    The Habs have Budaj -Talbot with the Rangers-Grubauer-Fredrikson-Gustavsson-Stalock-Lack-Raata-Greiss….

    As dominating as the Kings were, had this young man not stood on his head in the first 5 minutes it could have easily been up Habs 2-0.
    Most probably, the game would not have been a blow out, yet the final outcome would have been the same.

    • Cal says:

      Hey Ronn. To make it to the show these days, a goalie has to be very solid or belong to an organization that has a rash of injuries. Many of them would have been stars back in the day, but the equipment back then didn’t stop a goalie from being bruised from top to bottom.

  54. Eddie says:

    It was 2-0, early in the second period, and Price let up 2 goals that he has been stopping and controlling rebounds on all season long.

    If we don’t get elite goaltending, which we’ve had non stop for over a month, this team is not a contender.

    All the rest of the analysis I will leave to the experts.

    • Stevie.Ray says:

      You mean those two goals early in the second where he was interfered with just before the puck went in?

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      You are quite correct about this team requiring excellent goaltending although I suspect that is true about most teams. However, it applies to some more than others.

      I would disagree about goals 3 & 4, and I saw clear interference on 3 and enough on 4 that some refs might have waived it off.

      • Eddie says:

        Agreed that most teams need elite goaltending, and Price has been at the top of his game and the league.

        Rebounds must be controlled and he has managed this as well as anyone.

        Not last night, however. And not on the 3rd and 4th goals, which ended the game.

  55. Arnou Ruelle says:

    Good Morning Everyone.

    How are the spirits of people here? I hope you guys are not reeling from the effects of that embarrassing loss last night.

  56. DAVE. N says:

    ” By the time the third period began, the Bell Centre’s lower bowl looked like a Pauline Marois rally in Hampstead.”
    Good one Mike…Appears some of the Habs didn’t appear for the rally either. I can only hope that this measuring stick that flogged them brings a bit of humility and a lot of video time pointing out how to play against top forwards that press the defense, and how the forwards need to come back. That was a pathetic effort. Made a rookie goaltender look like George Vezina

  57. RAM_TOUGH says:


    The Leaf Fans will have a hay day with this Habs loss eh? The shitty thing is the Leafs play the Kings tonight & it will be a much closer game & we will have to hear about that as well! Oh well …. The last time the Habs lost 6-0 last season they went on a real tear after that & got better.

    The Habs got a piece of humble pie last night. They have been slipping for the last few games but Price bailed them out.

    They did not show up last night at all. Goals 3 & 4 on Price last night were goalie interference. Oh well we both know that there are better Refs in minor hockey than in the NHL & it will never change …

    Habs will bounce back next game. U bet that Therrien tore s strip off their asses after the game. Teams need a loss like this to keep them grounded & humble …

    • Laramy87 says:

      Yep, living in the 905 region I am hearing all about it from Leaf fans. Why? I dunno, they havnt won a regulation game in 10 straight. Then ragging on Price. I would say a goalie that hasn’t let up more than 2 goals in 10 straight prior to last nite, is pretty damn good.
      Better than the Reimer/Bernier tandem.

  58. DipsyDoodler says:

    Kings have great scouting and a smart GM. But let’s not forget how many years in a row they tanked.

  59. Cal says:

    All I can say about last night is FIMO. (Frig It, Move On)
    The Habs had a bad night while a very good and disciplined Kings team played a solid in your face game just like their captain, Dustin Brown.
    A few no-shows last night like DD, who didn’t keep his feet moving when he had the puck and was easily dealt with. He was pushed into the boards.
    Surprisingly, the forward with the most time on ice was Chucky, who logged 19:03.
    All in all, a night to forget. Thursday will be here soon enough and the Habs will get another opportunity to right the ship.


  60. Bash says:

    I love watching Gallagher and Gionta fly around and battle
    But the tale of the tape says it all:

    The Kings have 16 players over 200 pounds and only ONE under 6’ (Mike Richards). Of course, like the Habs they have some talent as well.
    However, if both teams play flat out the laws of physics take over. And of one team does not play flat out? Well…

    Can we ice a team able to compete with them, especially in a playoff series? Not likely at present. But I maintain that an early goal last night might have made for a different game

    A bit of patchwork could go a long way. The needs are obvious.
    Will Bergevin et al be creative enough to meet those needs?

    “If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.” (anon)

  61. rjcp says:

    “Hey, every team has a bad night”. Sounds like so many parents today who maybe can’t accept the truth. Okay, maybe the Sabres or Islanders I’d accept that, but this is a sobering reminder of who we are and where we need to go to have realistic hopes in the playoffs. L.A is a benchmark, so isn’t it ironic that it’s them we just happened to have a bad night against? Having said that, I still feel that although we may not “be built” like the L.A’s or San Jose’s, we can beat these teams with speed, anticipation and smarts, all of which didn’t show up last night. The worrisome part is why which Gorges alluded to. But the Habs have played well thus far, I’m pleased, we’ve beaten some good opposition in the East, the next level is the elite of the West, we just aren’t there yet, but I have faith.

  62. jrs10069 says:

    You could tell after goal 1 we were in for it. That was an old school price rebound with no d in sight to clear but 2nd goal finished us. Briere should have been benched for his “effort” on Richards. Add in bs goal 3 and questionable goal 4 and we see buddaj at home since he shit his pants game 5 v Ottawa. He proceeded to do it again.

    Habs gave up which makes sense against those beasts…

    No idea why parros and Murray weren’t in, would have made a difference as everyone plays bigger.


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  64. HABZ24 says:

    Kings 3 rd and 4 th goals should have not been allowed,kings players crashed and were in crease,hows that legal!! That turned out the habs lights.


  65. JUST ME says:

    Well that was brutal ! Not sure if there is anything we can build on or any judgement we can make from that one sided game since we got schooled so bad….I would like to make an eye opening comparison between the eastern and western teams but with a game like this it would serve no purpose.

    Actually it is so out of the ordinary that it is funny because we just can wake up after a what happened !!! kind of stunning defeat.

    Just do not see any reason or any need to turn on any individuals but i knew some were soooo waiting for a game like this that this also is funny.

    So it was just a bad dream let`s wake up and get back on track .

  66. Dunboyne Mike says:

    How to smile after a 6-0 butt-kicking?

    “Fresh off a humiliation that had the Hockey Night in Canada Leaf-blowers leaning back on their pillows to smoke a cigarette….”

    Cheers, Mike B! Off to school with a big grin.

  67. chrskwn says:

    man, i just hate seeing price getting knocked on by the users over at tsn when its evident nobody on the team showed up

  68. daveho29 says:

    Meh, bound to happen sooner or later. Every team puts up a stinker now and then.

  69. MasterHab says:

    The ONLY positive thing to be gained from this pathetic failure is that it will quiet the cheerleaders who gleefully pay top dollar for whatever management deigns to give them. But I am not of the newer generation of fan who is just happy to be there. I’m old enough to remember when this team had organizational standards that were significantly higher than merely squeaking into the playoffs so they can make the owner a couple million extra.

    The recent unbeaten streak was nice while it lasted but it was a deception. Of the 9 games that the Habs won 7 of them were by a margin of one goal. All that says to me is that when our goalies are on their game they can cover up for our chronic lack of scoring punch.

    We must also consider who these wins came against. Of the 9 victories, only 2 were against anything resembling “elite” competition: Boston and Pittsburgh. The rest were won against teams ranging from the gawd-awful to the merely mediocre. Toronto, Buffalo, New Jersey, Washington and Minnesota aren’t going anywhere this year. Beating them (and only the Wild were beaten convincingly) is nothing to get too excited about.

    Tonight the Habs came up against a team that was in playoff hockey mode. No easy looks, no time and space and no pushing and shoving; just hitting. Is it any wonder the Habs seemed to vanish into thin air as soon as they were up against a motivated opponent that was willing to take them to the woodshed?

    That phoney-baloney unbeaten streak isn’t fooling anyone in the NHL that matters. Everyone still knows that if you punch the Habs in the face they will cower. This team is not built to win when the games matter. It needs more than a tweak. It needs a major overhaul and they should start with Pacioretty, the so-called “power” forward who would rather hang around the high slot or the side boards than drive to the net. He isn’t a power forward, folks. He’s a streaky perimeter player. A Michael Ryder with a better work ethic.

    • spos080808 says:


      • Da Hema says:

        I thought he raised a number of sobering points. Not sure his post deserves your dismissive “zzzz.” I don’t think it is out of line to have considered this game something of a measuring stick of where the Canadiens are at this point of the season. Instead of playing a bunch of mediocrities like Buffalo, Toronto, and New Jersey, tonight the Habs played a serious contender for the Cup. I thought they looked just like they did against Ottawa in the playoffs last year — overmatched and intimidated by a more physical team.

    • Da Hema says:

      Pacioretty is turning into a disappointment as far as I am concerned. He is a conundrum: not quite consistent enough to be a reliable scorer, and not willing to play a physical game when his scoring goes dry (which, if he were more physical, would lead to more goals for him). Lamentably, he is one of the worst passers in the entire NHL. A few years ago, I was worried when trade talk emerged involving Pacioretty that the Habs might let go another John Leclair. But Pacioretty is no John Leclair, the latter of whom had all the indicators of becoming an elite player. Pacioretty seems satisfied being a perimeter player. The one highly attractive thing going for Pacioretty trade-wise is his very reasonable contract. If the Jets would be willing to trade Kane for Pacioretty, I’d be ecstatic.

  70. AH says:

    Good points..I posted earlier that I was hopeful he would turn out for the Habs, but man am I ever disappointed. This guy does nothing out there! What happened to the guy who used to stick it to the Habs every time we played Philly? Well he came to the Smurf Habs and now he does nothing! He has to go.

  71. Da Hema says:

    But, as the claim goes, he’s French-Canadian. So he is, it is said, vital to the hockey team. After all, the team needs French-Canadian players who can communicate to the French media. Players like Pacioretty, Price, and Gallagher, of course, cannot do that. And there are so many other wonderful things a French-Canadian player like Briere brings to the Montreal Canadiens, so many I need not explain them — they are like self-evident axioms derived from reason.

  72. Un Canadien errant says:

    Games like tonight’s make me question the drafting of Arturri Lehkonen, Sven Andrighetto and Martin Reway last June all over again.



    • RobertLefebvre says:

      I hear ya, but how’s Michael McCarron doing?

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        That’s a pretty flip answer Robert. I’m pointing out a general trend in the league, how every other team is sizing up, and how NHL refereeing is letting more and more go without a whistle, how our team doesn’t really measure up to the Kings, how tonight the speed and quickness factor was nullified by size and strength, and how our prospect pool needs to change if we’re going to be successful in Colin Campbell and Sean Thornton’s NHL, and you zing back with a specific, individual case with a very small sample size so far, less than half a season in London, as if that invalidates my general point. But I guess after a bad loss like this, we don’t really feel like writing long and cogent arguments.

        • RobertLefebvre says:

          Call my answer flip Dude, you didn`t mention any of the things you said you did. Please don`t reply to my comments if you are going to take my points to seven other arguments. I don`t have the time for your ego.

    • AH says:

      LOL! yeah, it’s almost as if “come hell or high water the Habs management is going to prove once and for all that they can win the cup with 3-4 Smurfs on the team, dammit!!!”


  73. Rad says:

    A good old-fashioned butt-kicking, administered by one of the league’s elite teams. This loss helps curtail some of the euphoria of the past few weeks, and allows the brass to see how we measure up against a top tier team, and what we need to do to get to that level. I thought it was a tactical error by Therrien to not dress Douglas Murray tonight, since he was signed particularly to face big, physical teams like the L.A. Kings, and considering also how well he had been playing of late. Benching Murray in favor of the diminutive Francis Bouillon did not help the Habs D keep L.A. away from the front of the net, from where the Kings scored most of their goals tonight.

  74. AZ_Hab_Fan says:

    Is it over yet?

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