About last night …


Three words of advice for Canadiens general manager Marc Bergevin:
Sign Andrei Markov.
Give him three years for money that falls somewhere between profligate and insulting.
He deserves it, and he’ll earn every nickel.

Health advisory to P.K. Subban’s legion of fans: You should be sitting down when you read this.

Through the first 25 games of the season, Andrei Markov has been your Montreal Canadiens’ best defenceman.

(I am a proud member of the P.K. Legion. Good thing I was sitting down to write that.)

Markov had three assists Wednesday night in Buffalo. That brought his season total to 15.

Some other numbers: Markov is averaging 25 minutes and 13 seconds of ice time per game. That’s one second less than Zdeno Chara – and 23 seconds more than P.K.

Markov is plus-11. His 17 points tie his with Alex Galchenyuk.

But  you can’t gauge Markov’s value purely on the basis of stats. In his quiet way, he’s a team leader. And he’s made a succession of defence partners better – in the case of Mike Komisarek, deceptively so.

Markov, who will turn 35 five days before Christmas, is like a coach on the ice. After losing several steps to those gruesome knee injuries, Markov has retooled his game. He relies on his brain more than his legs; and with the exception of Tomas Plekanec, there’s a higher hockey IQ on the Canadiens’ roster.

Great hockey teams are built from the goaltender out, and the Canadiens are looking good.

A solid performance in Buffalo was just the latest indication that Carey Price is among the league’s elite.

P.K. is the reigning Norris Trophy winner. His otherworldly skills are a complement to Markov,

Is there a better pairing in the league?

Maybe Ryan Suter-Jonas Brodin. Or Jay Bouwmeester-Alex Pietrangelo. Shea Weber-Seth Jones?

But Markov-Subban are right up there. And I’d like to see a few more seasons of them.

Of course, that means re-signing Subban. Thank you, Rogers Media , for pushing up the salary cap.

The team’s second pairing is signed through the 2017-’18 season.

Josh Gorges is not the second coming of Doug Harvey, but the undrafted and undersized defenceman plays his heart out. His partner, Alexei Emelin, has played five games this season and the Canadiens have won four of them.

That’s a pretty good Top 4. And the Canadiens have two first-round draft choices playing defence in Hamilton. I want Markov around to help Tinordi and Beaulieu … if only by example.

I thought the D – including the valiant Douglas Murray – were more solid the Canadiens’ forwards in Buffalo.

The lines are still a work in progress … which is a bit disconcerting after 25 games.

I like Plekanec, Gionta and either Daniel Brière or, if a lead needs protecting, Travis Moen.

The current top line – David Desharnais, Max Pacioretty and the amazing Brendan Gallagher – had some productive shifts in the Buffalo zone. And Gallagher’s energy drew a stupid boarding penalty by Tyler Myers.

They’re not quite the equal of Boston’s yet, but the Canadiens’ fourth line is coming together nicely. Ryan White is hitting, working hard and avoiding bad penalties. Moen skates up and down his wing, doing a quietly efficient job. And rookie Michaël Bournival brings speed and youthful energy.

Lars Eller and Alex Galchenyuk have struggled since they lost Gallagher to the DD line. I love Brandon Prust, but he’s not going to have defenceman backing p and creating open ice the way Gallagher does.

I can’t see Michel Therrien tinkering with a lineup that’s won four in a row. But I wonder if Brière might not be a better fit with Eller and Galchenyuk.

The win in Buffalo was a good way to start a very tough segment of the Canadiens’ schedule. They play seven games in 11 days – all against Eastern Conference opponents – and comparisons to a playoff series are not that far-fetched.

After a Happy Hour game against the Capitals in Washington on Friday afternoon, the Canadiens come home to face the Leafs Saturday night. New Jersey is at the Bell Centre Monday. Then the Canadiens play in Newark on Wednesday before coming home to face … drum roll, please .. the Bruins on Thursday night. Buffalo is in Montreal for a saturday game on Dec. 7.

To the surprise of more than a few, the Canadiens have 30 points after 25 games. If the playoffs started Thursday, they’d be in as a wild-card – and they’re only four points behind Boston for the Atlantic Division lead.

The team is healthy. Rene Bourque, Francis Bouillon and George Parros were in the pressbox in Buffalo.

With our first significant snowfall, it’s beginning to look a lot like Christmas in Montreal.

Let’s join our American friends in giving thanks – for a country at peace and some pretty good hockey.

•  •  •

As the concussion issue continues to simmer, did anyone enjoy the spectacle of 6’8″, 270-lb John Scott raining rights onto the helmet-less head of Douglas Murray?

The NHL has to get rid of fighting – a reform that will be easier once Rogers does us the immense favour of retiring Don Cherry.

•  • •

And in honour of U.S. Thanksgiving:







  1. Strummer says:

    Don’t expect to see both McLaren and and Orr in the line-up on saturday. The way the Leafs are playing these days they can’t afford to dress this much deadwood.

    Orr only played 3:39 last night BTW

    So hopefully we can leave our deadwood Parros in the pressbox.

    “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

  2. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    I do not understand posters who insult someone’s intelligence while using poor grammar.

  3. habs001 says:

    Leafs have an unbelievable record in the last 10 or so games at Montreal…Habs play way better vs Leafs in Toronto…Hard to figure…

  4. John Q Public says:

    So we go to war for bullshit and are allowed to kill people but fighting in hockey is bad. I see.

    Where’s my sniper?
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  5. gmur says:

    I’m not always on the same page as Jack Todd, but his column today gives an insightful perspective about one aspect of the possible negative effects the kind of media monopoly Rogers signed with the NHL this week could have.


    While Todd disagrees vehemently with Cherry’s style and content, he would not wish to simply silence him. His concern: Rogers won’t be as accommodating when they disagree with someone’s opinion; they will simply silence people. Get ready for fewer, less varied, less colourful, and less controversial opinions about the BRNHL (Bettman and Roger’s National Hockey League). Under their reign, the NHL will shine like a new loonie. It’ll be hard to debate the value of that.

    • Luke says:

      Roger’s did give Mike Wilner an… extended weekend… when they thought he was too critical of the Blue Jays a year or two ago. Not sure if that’s mentioned in the column which I shall go read….


      • Strummer says:

        And they also allowed a very public spat between Greg Zaun and J.P. Arancebiea. Go figure!

        I don’t mind if Cherry spouts nonsense I just wish there was someone on at the same time to offer counter-points.

        “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

  6. 4loorplay says:

    Is it just me or any line gallager is put on produces
    Nirvana is earned…

    • krob1000 says:

      I think Gallagher produces can be deduced from that…and in his limited playing time Bournival also seems to be a guy who can produce anywhere. This is part of what always was so amazing about Pleks…he just puts up numbers no matter who he plays with while all the while being given the teams defrensive assignments.

      • Phil C says:

        Makes you wonder what a line of Bournival, Pleks, and Gallagher would be like.

        • krob1000 says:

          PRobably really good….but would they still be usable agaisnt other teams as a shutdown line? The Habs key to success has not been their offense. They have devoted a ton of attention to the defensive side of the game and are playing way safer than in the past. you are seeing more chip/dump and chase and safe cycling than in years past and while the offense has suffered slightly the defense has been outstanding as has been Price. IS Price the reason? part of it and is the defensive detail partly to blame for Price’s improved play? I would say yes to that too…I think they are both complimenting each other well. I like the idea of having those 3 sparkplug guys on different lines…and Iw ould add that Prust is teh 4th sparkplug….so I think it can be deduced that MT likes the idea of having one of those worker bee/sparkplug/ type guys one ach line as well and I am happy to see it. This team has not yet peaked and still has room for improvement IMO.

      • 4loorplay says:

        What i meant is gally makes things happen and linemate can produce ie DD
        Nirvana is earned…

  7. commandant says:

    Morgan Ellis scored another goal last night and played pretty well in top 4 minutes. He may be starting to get some confidence in the AHL.

    Go Habs Go!
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  8. commandant says:

    Wanna fight about it?

    Go Habs Go!
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  9. krob1000 says:

    I asked this yesterday and noone reesponed but has any team ever had it’s top 2 scorers be defensemen?

  10. mrhabby says:

    Team is playing very good. Price leading the way but lots of players joining in.
    I can’t help but think that MB still wants to upgrade, will the teams indentity be the same as it is today when the playoffs come around.
    One player who I think would look great in HABS jersey from Buff is Tyler Myers. With all the crap going on with that team he is not even close to reaching his potential and it seems to me he got off to a very bad start. So much potential and he is only 22. Not sure Habs could get him given the recent goings on with Dudley but you have to think the Sabres are going to make more big changes over the coming months.

    • Strummer says:

      His cap hit is $5.5 m/year for the next 6 years- no room on our team with raises for Subban and Eller and resigning Markov. We also just gave Emelin $4.1 M and have to replace Gionta

      “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

  11. Sportfan says:

    So if the Habs win on friday do you keep the same lineups against the Leafs or do you put in Parros?

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    • shiram says:

      I would not, we’d be sitting at least 2 skilled players to do that.
      Habs need to play their game, not the Leafs.
      Besides, they got Moen, White, Prust and if needs be Murray can step in with the bigger guys.
      And not every game with Toronto degenerates into thuggery/goonery.

    • Shackles says:

      I think they should throw Parros in. Unfortunately, Carlyle is the type of coach that if they start losing, the goon squad will start taking liberties with some of our finesse players and guys like Phaneuf need a reminder to not go and do something they’ll regret later.

    • Phil C says:

      If he doesn’t play against the Leafs, they might as well waive and/or demote him. That’s the reason they got him in the first place.

    • commandant says:

      I hate changing a winning lineup in response to what the other team is doing.

      I say force the other team to play your game, and don’t fall into their traps.

      Go Habs Go!
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  12. Ron says:

    Been listening to TSN690. Man IMO Tony Marinaro is worse than PJ Stock. What a douche.

  13. Phil C says:

    Everyone is piling on Briere, even his nephew. I thought it was pretty funny on 24CH when Briere had brought his very young (4-5 year old) nephew to practice for a day at the rink. They asked him who his favorite Hab player was and without hesistation the kid said “Bournival”. He has good taste.

    I wouldn’t mind seeing Briere get a shot at centre in place of DD, but that will never happen. Moving him to 4th line centre with Bournival and Moen could result in a fourth scoring line, which would be interesting to watch. Who needs a checking line when you are beating them on the scoresheet.

  14. ClutchNGrab says:


    I think we have a front runner for the most ridiculous article of the day:


    EDIT: Just a reminder, the Leafs had no shot in the 3rd or overtime and were outhsot 48 -24 in the game.

  15. SteverenO says:

    Its nice to see the team ion a winning streak, but stil lsome thinggs I don’t understand:

    Powerplay: yesterday Gallagher/Desharnias/Pacioretty play 4:55 on the PP; Briere/Plekanec/Gionta play 39 seconds . Briere played another minute with Eller and Galchenyuk. The reason this is a concern is because going onto last nights game With Gionta on the PP the Habs have scored 8 PP goals in 44 minutes, Gallagher had been on for 6 PP goals in 56 minutes. Plekanec was on for 10 PP golas in 49 minutes and Desharnais for 3 PP goals in 39 minutes.

    While there is no doubt that Therrien is doing some things right and has to be given some credit for the teams success, the fact that he continue NOT to recognize who hi most productive Forward line on the powerplay is concerning.

    Many people will say the fact that they scored two PP goals yesterday proves that Therrien made the right decision, but the outcome does not negate the fact that the decision is one that could not be supported. It,s akin to a black jack player “hitting” with 17 when the dealer is showing a 6. He may draw a 4 and win the hand, but it was a poor decision nonetheless.

    Also Therrien’s new “thing” is to play Moen with Plekanec and Gionta in the third period if the Habs are leading. It may be smart to replace Briere on that lien when protecting a lead, but the fact is that Bournival played only 2 minutes in the third period. Bournival has beenevery bit as effective as Gallagher this season, could you imagine Gallagher only playing 2 minutes in the third period.

    Bournival is every bit as good defensively as Moen ,and if they played him with Gionta and Plekanec we would have a better chance to score.


    Steve O.

    • commandant says:

      2 PP goals from Gallagher and Desharnais.

      That Line is hot right now… they get the minutes.

      NHL scorers are streaky… almost all of them. Right now that line is hot and Galchenyuk, Eller aren’t. When it changes, you change the PP. Simple.

      Go Habs Go!
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      • Steeltown Hab says:

        Desharnais is way to complacent once he gets the puck on the PP, gotta keep his feet moving. Can’t be any easier than being a fwd on the Habs PP with Subban Markov getting all the pressure/attention


        Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Emelin – @J_Perez22

    • krob1000 says:

      You would make an incredible baseball analyst as individual statistics weigh heavily on that game…however in hockey they are pretty well useless. Virtually every stat from goals to assists, plus minus, hit , possession, etc is tainted in hockey and not applicable. (95 percent of the game you play away from the puck).

      Decisions are plenty and there is a fine line between the right one, the wrong one, the most right one, the mostly right one, the safe one, etc. These stats are effective only in showing huge disparities and only if all other things are factored in. You also need to realize that there is future planning and incentve to factor in….like getting a line rolling, or getting certain players confidence up, teaching/getting guys experience and learning for some younger guys.

      Also you underestimate the importance of the shift after a powerplay. Shifts to start and end periods, shifts after goals and shifts after powerplays are all HUGE shifts in the minds of coaches and often dictate momentum. Being able to have a line with Pleks and Gio ready when the other team throws their number one line out after the PK is a huge benefit and is a part of why the teams goals against is so good…the team has been very good at limiting opposition favourable matchups…and even moreso in key situations.

    • habs-fan-84 says:

      You shouldn’t look at stats in a vacuum.

  16. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    A 35 year old D-man has had a great 2 month start to the season and now people are clamoring to sign him for $5-6 million for three years? A D-man who has done nothing in the playoffs. Maybe people should relax and wait until the end of the year. This is how the Habs got stuck with DD’s contract…

    • krob1000 says:

      ? You are comparing Markov who has been a top 10 dman his whole career to a guy who had one good season on a lottery pick team?
      Markov’s health was the concern…his career and body of work speak for themselves. Had he continued to skate like last season that would be another thing but he is getting stronger over time not the opposite. The whole situation reminds me of Selanne where it looked like he was washed up and then he came back to have several very good seasons again.

      Markov was a very, very good skater pre injury and has always thought the game at an elite level…..now that his skating is back to average with his intellect and skill…he is every bit a 6 million dollar 3 year guy. In year 3 will he be overpaid? probably to definitely…but he has earned that right over his career.

      • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

        Like I said…relax. It makes no sense to sign a 35 year old player whose had major knee issues and no playoff success to a three year deal 2 MONTHS into a season.

        BTW where in my post am I comparing Markov to other defensemen? Learn to read properly…

        • krob1000 says:

          BTW you were comparing him to DD and saying sgining him is the equivalent…not sure what you are reading re other dmen? So you are happy with the BRiere signing then I assume…a ton of playoff success. The knees are proving not to be an issue…if we are focussing on knees or injuires…Gorge- knees, Galchenyuk-knee, Gallagher-concussion history, Eller-concussion, Pacioretty-concussion amongst other injuries.

          • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

            All I am saying is that there is NO reason to sign him NOW. If MB waited until the end of the season last year with DD, he would not have signed him to that deal. Nobody remembers what you did in Oct-Nov in May.

          • krob1000 says:

            Re your post below…that is true it is a gamble signing players during the season but it is eneducated guess and someone like Markov has a long enough history IMO. There are benefits as well to singing key guys diuring the season, no competitors, knowing your key numbers before the deadline in case someone with term on their contract becomes available or you take an expiring contract with the hopes of resigning a guy,etc. There are pros and cons…but m,y understanding is MB has already said he is working on PK, Markov and Diaz signings.

        • Habsrule1 says:

          He said you were comparing him to DD, which you were.

          Markov will not be signed just yet, but when he is, it will be for 2-3 years for close to 6M per….and it will be worth it. He has been otherworldly so far this season.

          Go Habs Go!!

          “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • AceTen says:

      Got news for you bro, without Markov there will be no playoffs. PK doesn’t win the Norris either.

  17. Ian Cobb says:

    Has everyone on here realized how much more civilized posters have become with each other while conversing on HIO.
    I think it is because so many of us now, have met each other at the Summits, and can now put faces to each others posts.
    It is a great place this HIO site.!

  18. shiram says:

    Brière as for now, lived up to what I expected out of him.
    I figured he’d get about 40 points in a full season, and he is track for that. His game is all offense, so he’s bound to be very streaky.

    Not saying I like the signing, but to the people complaining about him, what else did you expect out of him?

    • Mattyleg says:

      A decent back-rub.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • shiram says:

        Maybe he does a great back rub, but come on Matty, can we really expect him to give back rubs to all Habs fan? or even just the ones in attendance! that’s alot of backs to rub.

        • Mattyleg says:

          I dunno, I guess I just come from an era where Hab players could give a decent back-rub to any fan who wanted one.

          I remember certain players who would even be able to point out that you needed one even if you didn’t know it.

          Things sure are different in today’s NHL.

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • Bripro says:

        Well, that laugh should help my lunch go down.
        BTW, Big Fergy preferred giving foot massages, which is why I’ve never been able to walk properly.
        It has nothing to do with drugs or alcohol.

  19. Bripro says:

    I agree with Michel Bergeron’s comments on RDS last night.
    When was the last time a defenceman was rewarded as a star in the NHL’s three star selection, unless they accumulate a boatload of points during a game?
    Who doesn’t think Markov was an NHL star last night?
    The suits in Manhattan don’t.
    Even looking at stat sheets, and seeing that he accumulated three assists last night, he’s not a forward, hence was kept off the list.
    It’s ridiculous.

  20. krob1000 says:

    In last 8 games Habs have 2 losses…one in a shootout and a 1-0 shutout vs the Rangers.

  21. habs-fan-84 says:

    Just wanted to take the time to say it’s great to see DD performing again.

  22. HabinBurlington says:

    Is it possible the Maple Leafs 18wheeler has started up and is beginning to approach the cliff again?

    I am forced to follow the Leafs a great deal based on my location, my friends etc…. I thought that while they may have been outplayed some nights that indeed they were/are a pretty good team.

    But watching them the past few nights, they are really looking bad. I understand they are missing Bolland (perhaps their version of Brandon Prust) and that Bozak has just returned from injury.

    But their defense looks horrible, and if not for Fleury giving away a few goals last night, they don’t ever have the lead to start with.

  23. habs001 says:

    The Habs goal is to make the playoffs and as fans we should enjoy the season and if they make the playoffs that will be great.. The odds are pretty good that the Habs will play one of the following teams in the first round……Boston,Pittsburgh,Detroit,Toronto,Ottawa or Tampa….Can some of the veterans elevate their game for the playoffs or will their tank be empty?..

  24. kmachabs27 says:

    went to the game last night, two rows behind miller for 2 periods, here are some thoughts/things i noticed:

    1. Subban changes his stick every powerplay, anybody else notice that? His powerplay stick has an orange colour tint near the bottom of the shaft towards the blade. Any thoughts why he would do that? ive noticed his shots with that stick are much lower, probably a stiffer stick. You may think im crazy but this is a fact, my dad first pointed it out and i noticed it again.
    2. Either Buffalo is that bad or were good.
    3. Conclusion: were a solid team, especially defensively despite bouillon and murray, we are very tight defensively. Markov and subban are lethal in live action.
    4. Moulson couldnt skate to the bench after emelin smashed him into the boards, what a hit.
    5. Briere sucks, no emotion, looks like he doesnt care, garbage
    6. We played buffalo, but Carey Price is god.
    7. DD is playing better, hes got some slick moves down low and thru the neutral zone.
    8. Pacioretty is lazy at times which is annoying, lazer of a shot
    9. Markov is worth every penny, he controls literally everything, talks to PK steady before faceoffs, expecially on the PP.
    10. Chucky looks like a giant out there, cant wait till he hits his prime in a few years.
    11. Briere sucks.


    • Ghosts of the Forum says:

      Any thoughts on Briere?

    • Bripro says:

      So what did you think of Brière?

      EDIT OK Ghost…. stealing my thoughts.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        I was hopeful Briere was starting to come out of his funk and hoped a game in BUffalo would spark him. I still have not given up on him, but I think he is the player I park in order to get Bourque back in the lineup. Perhaps let those two alternate like Murray/Bouillon.

        • Eddie says:

          Briere is much more comfortable at center. He said that publicly two weeks ago. When a player says that, it usually means they are thinking it.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Ed, would you have Briere center a line instead of Plex/Eller and DD at this point? I don’t see him playing center on 4th line as that helps no one. I think he will be stuck at wing unless injury occurs.

          • commandant says:

            Briere has played well lately and is on pace for over 40 points. He’s also always stepped up his game in the playoffs. I don’t mind him. He’s doing his job as a stop gap til more young kids are ready.

            Go Habs Go!
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        • Bripro says:

          Honestly, I was pretty optimistic when they signed him, thinking his last year was out of the ordinary.
          But I’m starting to see why the Flyers bought him out.
          He’s just not effective.
          Being small as he is, he has to show more heart, and I don’t see it.

    • Marcusman says:

      Briere does suck….I have no idea why they rushed to sign him….would much rather have Jagr

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Jagr is more talented, Jagr is bigger. I also think Jagr is a mercenary and frankly strikes me as a prick. His agent effed around with Montreal to get his contract the last few times. Sorry that ship sailed, he can enjoy playing for the love of the game in Jersey!

        Eff Jagr!

        Rant over

  25. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    Since Emelin’s return and Diaz’s minutes have been lessened, I haven’t even noticed the latter. Very much a good thing. I still worry about him in the playoffs though.

    The D has been great as of late, but I’d still like to see Gorges as a heart and soul 5-6 guy. I think we can upgrade on him in the 4 spot (and have a couple of very good guys who can fill those shoes in a few years).

    On another note, it’s great to see Teddy Nolan back in the NHL. I played with his son in minor hockey in the Soo. Ted always made time for us kids (he was coach of the Greyhounds and thus a hockey celebrity in the city) and was really active in the community. I really hope he doesn’t take the fall for the Sabres being a pretty crap team. He’s definitely one of the League’s good guys.

    • Ian Cobb says:

      I concur! Teddy back is a good thing! Everyone thought he was given a bum wrap!

    • bwoar says:

      Also happy for Ted Nolan. Hope he sticks when they hire a new GM.


      • HabinBurlington says:

        Agree, I found the re-hiring of Nolan odd though. My understanding is that when Pegula bought the Sabres, first thing he did was take away the mgmt of Buffalo’s AHL team and include it in the Sabres GM’s hands. As a result Nolan lost his job as V.P. or President of that AHL team. To me that is essentially firing him. I give Pegula credit for bringing him back, in light of that occurence.

  26. wjc says:

    Random thoughts:

    Cherry is 80 years old, he is controversial, he is his own brand. They will find a place for him and he will leave on his own terms. How many people are working at 80 and getting tons of attention both negative and positive, but attention none the less.

    Hockey will cost more to watch, because it will spread out more. Might be time to consider an arial again.

    Plenty of jobs will be created and new talent will emerge.

    Hype will be the name of the game starting at 4 oclock on Saturday and endless discussions about endless things. Twitters, emails and the rest will involve fans more, it is already occurring.

    This fan twittered this and that fan e mailed that. Then they can say what they want and say it is the fans saying it.
    Players will become bigger then life and families torn apart because daddies will be glued to televisions for football and hockey and basketball and baseball all with same formula’s. Talking heads with the latest rumour, scoop, blog, and twitter.

    Sports will dominated by tablets, phones etc with up to the minute everything….if people let it get the best of them they could end up in the ‘nut house’….forgetting it is only entertainment.

    Just a bunch of nonsense spouted by a rambling fool. I


    • habs-hampton says:

      I can honestly say I only watch 82 games each year (until playoffs). I only watch the Habs and that is plenty of hockey for me. As long as I can see my Habs 82 times a year in any language, I don’t care about all these extras. Back in the day, I watched whatever CBC told me to watch.

      But that’s just me…

    • Just a Habs Fan says:

      wjc…your rambling thoughts are exactly as I see it happening. I would go further though….I really and truly believe that hockey is being destroyed by the hype and ridiculous bs that is going on. I’ve been a Habs fan since the 50’s and I think this is my last year paying for programming to see them. I will always be a Habs fan but really where is the attraction to be a listerner and viewer even remotely as it was once upon a time. I mean a player has one good year often someone will pay him ridiculous money to move on…..we see it time and time again. It is a greedy sport and like all things based on greed they lose their appeal to ordinary fans becasue we simply can’t afford to stay in the mix……but don’t worry there will be enough money to support this for years and perhaps decades to come. It is difficult to see how a fan can get attached to one team going forward…I see in the kids that they seem to attach to a player…girls because the player is cute…guys because the player has special talents….definitely not like ti used to be.

  27. jrshabs1 says:

    Who is MB going to bring in to replace Parros? I gaurantee MB doesn’t go into a season without a heavyweight on his team.

    Go Habs Go!!

  28. Bill says:

    Can someone tell me how Galchenyuk’s cap hit works? His base salary is $925,000, but he has bonuses up the wazoo. Don’t these have to be figured into the cap somewhere?

  29. Bripro says:

    Matty’s on the war path!
    Zero tolerance for narrow-minded posts.
    Look out people.

  30. Bill says:

    It’s simple. We can’t replace Markov. So he needs to be signed. Cap is going up, shouldn’t be a problem. Three years, 18 million.

    That likely means the Habs can’t afford Diaz. He and Murray will walk, Bouillon will retire. Need some prospects to step up next year.

    I was hoping that one of Tinordi and Beaulieu would be able to step in sometime this season, and the other at the beginning of next season, but that’s not looking likely at the moment.

    • krob1000 says:

      Tim Gleason trade…and sign Diaz. Third pairing of Gleason Diaz. Sign Murray or someone of his ilk at 900k or a1 million and if one of Beaulieu or TInordi eanrs a spot worry about it then…in the meantime the team should be a legit contender next year so plan accordingly with a veteran 7 on D.

  31. Edman says:

    Here is what next year should look like, assuming the cap goes up to approximately 67M

    Pacioretty (4.5M) – Desharnais (3.5M) – Gallagher (685K)
    Galchenyuk (925K) – Eller (2.5M*1) – Bournival (660K)
    Briere (4.0M) – Plekanec (5.0M) – Bourque (3.33M)
    Moen (1.85M) – White (1.0M) – Prust (2.5M)

    Subban (7.5M*2) – Markov (5.0M****3)
    Gorges (3.9M) – Emelin (4.1M)
    Diaz (1.5M*4) – Tinordi (870K)

    Price (6.5M) – Budaj (1.4M)

    Extras = Beaulieu (925k) Drewskie (637.5K) Leblanc (1.2M*5) – Murray (1.5M*6)

    Gone – Gionta, Parros, and Boullion

    With all the Extras, that puts us at 65.45M, and with approximately 67M cap, gives us 1M or so of breathing room

    *1 – Eller signs habs bridge deal for 2 years @ 2.5M
    *2 – Subban signs 8 years @7.5M
    *3 – Markov signs 3 years @5M
    *4 – Diaz signs 2 years @ 1.5M
    *5 – Leblanc signs ONE WAY deal 2 years @ 1.2M
    *6 – Murray signs one year @ 1.5M

    The next cap increase for 2015-2016 (70Mish) will be used to bridge Galchenyuk, Gallagher, and Bournival. Which is 3M extra, plus Brieres 4M that will not be re-signed. Which is enough for about 2M per player for a bridge deal.

    Hold on guys, this is going to be a fun 3-5 years!!

    -Follow Me @EddieThoughts

    • Ozmodiar says:

      I’d say you’re about $1M under on the Diaz, Eller and Markov contracts.

      If Eller gets less than DD, then something’s wrong.

      • Edman says:

        Ellers first contract with the habs man, if Subba is forced to be under 3, than Eller will do the same. Same goes for Diaz, he has not proven to be anything better than a 5/6 Dman with decent 2nd PP numbers.

        Markov @ 5M/year is reasonable, he will get more on the open market yes, but lives in Montreal with his family, played for Montreal his whole career and is a canadian citizen. With no agent talking nonsense, he will take a discount for the Habs.

        -Follow Me @EddieThoughts

        • mrhabby says:

          I can’t see Marky taking a discount for the habs..he has worked his ass for the CH.

          Your showing no heavyweight to fight the against the other teams meatheads. TO, Boston etc,etc and I think thats a problem.

          • Edman says:

            Yah no heavyweight that didn’t dress against Big Goon Buffalo last night.

            How did we do?

            Pretty sure he wont dress against Boston either

            -Follow Me @EddieThoughts

        • Body_of_Price_Repels_You says:

          This is Eller’s second contract. He had one year left on his rookie deal when he got to the Habs. They negotiated his second. He will be negotiating his third.

    • shiram says:

      Wishful thinking on alot of those contracts.

    • krob1000 says:

      Diaz 2 years 6 million. Eller 3 years 10.5 million. Markov 3 yrs 18 million. Subban 7 years 50 million.

  32. FormalWare says:

    Anybody else struck by Eller’s irresistible foray down the wing, last night, as reminiscent of a certain Hall of Fame winger (whose surname starts with a Big M)?

    WWSD (What Would SubbieDoo?)

  33. Timo says:

    Is Markov a Canadian citizen?

  34. Luke says:

    Was nice to watch the Habs win last night.

    Tonight I get to watch the Icedogs lose. The London Knights are in town, they may hit double digits. At least I get to watch McCarron (“the bust”) and see how his game looks. Rumour has it he’s been playing better of late.

  35. Ian Cobb says:

    Just love the new ABC for spelling format.
    I do not have to holler for Andree’s spelling help as often. She thinks I am just a literary genius now.!
    And the edit button works great as well.!!

    Good update HIO !

  36. petefleet says:

    My About Last Nite:

    It must be who you’re playing against that dictates effort. If the other team had been anybody but Buffalo last night it would have been a different outcome. My U14AA team is much the same but the Habs shouldn’t be.

    Max played a decent game but was largely ineffective…took shots from weird angles or just didn’t shoot.
    Markov was a beast. PK seemed a little out of sorts but didn’t play bad at all.
    Good puck movement on the PP by everyone on it. Unbelievable possession time.
    Carey looked good again….God I hope he keeps it up this year.
    Gally played his game and again was rewarded. Too bad more guys would play “his” game.
    For all the criticism Diaz gets, he is quietly becoming one hell of a “D” man. The only time I fear him being on the ice is when Murry or Bouillon are on the other side.
    I’d like to see Prust moved back and Bournival moved up. The kid is wasting his effort on a non-productive line. The other option would be to switch him with Gionta but that aint happening.
    Pleks is Pleks. Is there a team in the league that wouldn’t trade their soul to have that guy on their team? I’ve liked him since the first game he was called up. I would not have predicted he would be where he is now but I’m glad he is.
    I like Emelin….there is nothing more to say. Too bad we couldn’t find one more just like him to put alongside Diaz.

    “You can’t believe everything you read on the internet”.
    Abraham Lincoln

    ***Go Habs Go***

    • krob1000 says:

      Re Bournival…why is he “wasted”? HAving his energy on that line and offensive ability is exactly what the 4th lione needed…I love it. Bournival is a kid and in due time will get his better minutes but for right now the team is best served with 4 lines that are threats to score…putting PRust with Moen and White eliminates that possibility. It also means that Galchenyuk and Eller then become targets again…I am not noticing too many guys taking liberties with them now that Prust is riding shotgun…and in fact I would say Eller is becoming more aggressive again knowing Prust has his back.

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      I think it’s difficult to play with the same intensity against some teams. Think of how much less we fans are up for the game. When we play the big teams, such as the Bruins, we are all in, but we are much more nonchalant about games like last night. It’s the same with the team. They know all of this in their heads, and they don’t intend to play “down to the opposition,” but it’s really difficult not to. I know it’s frustrating and wouldn’t happen in a perfect world, but it is what it is. I felt caution going in to the game because it was just about what I expected to happen. Except we actually won this time.

  37. Ian Cobb says:

    Contracts are signed by both parties. Montreal is again in a fantastic position of dealing from strength, we are heading to the top, while other franchises are heading down.

    Two year contracts are the only way to go for players over 34yrs.
    And 4 year maximum contracts for players under that. If they will not sign for that, let them find work elsewhere.
    Most players recognize the other benefits of playing in Montreal.

    Number one is that they have my support!!!

    • Habsrule1 says:

      Sorry Ian. Teams cannot afford to let players “find work elsewhere” because they are not willing to go an extra year. All situations are different. While I would love to sign Markov for 2 years, I’d sign him for 3 if need be. I’d love to sign PK for 4, but the reality is he’ll want more, and we need PK, so I’d give him what he wants, within reason (reason being the amount the GM and his staff determine).

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        And for PK, don’t forget the dreaded RFA Offer Sheet if the Habs don’t get something done by July1

      • Ian Cobb says:

        PK will sign for 4. He loves it here, to be able to sign for another 4, he just needs to keep his game up. And he will. But others turn into floaters with long term contracts. We won’t lose anyone that is here to play. But we will get rid of the floaters.

        • commandant says:

          PK knows full well that hockey is a dangerous game and you can be injured and lose evetything in a second. So does his agent. He’ll be asking for 8 years.
          Markov knows this better than most and he’ll be asking for 4.

          With all due respect Ian, I couldn’t disagree more with your assessment of the situation.

          Go Habs Go!
          Your 2013 NHL Draft Headquarters, Now Open.

    • commandant says:

      There are 29 other teams in the league and all of them would love to add a defenceman of Markov’s Caliber.

      There are plenty who will have the money and cap space to do so.

      And more than a few who will be willing to go 3 or 4 years.

      Now who is dealing from the position of strength.

      Letting players walk for nothing, especially someone of Markov’s talents is a sure way to weaken your team.

      Go Habs Go!
      Your 2013 NHL Draft Headquarters, Now Open.

  38. scotland says:

    “4 game winning streak thanks to therrien” ‘justify your dislike of him”

    dont dislike him. he seems like s nice guy. is he the best man for the job of coaching the montreal canadiens? i sure hope not.

    the four game winning streak is thanks to therrien is it? lol…why constant line changes every game dating back to last march. they win four in a row and what? therrien hit the jack pot at the spinning wheel? he was canned by montreal and pitt with out winning anything. never coached after getting canned in pitt. totally out coached in play offs last year.

    all i am saying is there is a better coach out there. therrien is an ahl coach at best. would not be working in nhl if not for the fact he is bilingual. fact

    • Timo says:

      The previous 4 game losing streak. There… justified.

    • Bripro says:

      You sound like an AHL coach.
      You should give it a try.

    • Mattyleg says:


      A) Are you suggesting that Therrien has nothing to do with our current winning streak but everything to do with our previous losing streak? Hmmm… seems like faulty logic to me, especially seeing as how injured we were and how it takes players a while to get back into game-shape/mindset.

      2) He was out-coached? Not in the slightest. He lost key elements to his team at the same moment that Ottawa regained theirs. Nothing to do with MacLean’s ‘genius’.

      iii) What better coach is out there? I am curious to know who you think would be the ideal available coach for Montreal.

      ::) Your ‘fact’ about him not working in the NHL if he weren’t bilingual only illustrates your own biases and predjudices. And that’s the only ‘fact’ there.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

  39. commandant says:

    As for the Numbers on both Markov and PK, with this new TV deal, their agents are salivating…. The Cap is going to go way, way up. We are talking an increase of 300 million per year on the canadian rights fees (the old cost of the three deals vs this one big package). Thats 10 million more in revenue per team (about 5 million in cap increase per team). Thats just the TV increase. We also knew the cap was going up due to increased ticket prices, merch and everything else league wide right now.

    Start with 8 million for Subban
    and 6 million for Markov.

    Inflation just happened folks, and the newest FAs will be beneficiaries.

    Fans will be shocked by the new deals, but remember they will be hard to compare with deals that were signed before this tv deal.

    Go Habs Go!
    Your 2013 NHL Draft Headquarters, Now Open.

  40. Roy_s_WINK says:


    Long after your pen’s ink has dried up and your hard drives have crashed…the good people of this sport will still be able to enjoy fighting in hockey.

    Do you ever read your own articles back to yourself?

    I suppose the average demographic on here is 50+ with a mortgage and pines for “the glory days” but that does not represent me in the slightest and I LOVE fights in hockey.

    Is this the Florida Panther board?

    How out of touch are you?

    Players want fights. Fans want fights. League wants fights…and a tiny little pocket of geriatric journalists and “supporters” of the Habs want it gone.

    Are you kidding me?

    Sharpen your skates.

    • Mattyleg says:

      You know, bud, that there are other ways to construct arguments that don’t involve insulting and belittling and tones of outrage.

      Not all posters on this site fit your imagined notion of them, so you might not have as many people who disagree with you as you might think.

      On the other hand, your tone and attitude will certainly turn people off a lot more quickly than your opinions.

      Sadly, however, your post serves only to reinforce the notions that some people have that the only people who endorse fighting in the NHL are over-aggressive meatheads.

      Rephrase your argument and you might find some people to discuss with.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • Bripro says:

        Bravo Matty!
        You beat me to the punch (metaphor intended).
        I would have posted the same thing, but you know these old fingers of mine on this IBM selectric keyboard.
        And my memory isn’t…. is…. uh…. give me a minute…..

      • Ozmodiar says:

        >Rephrase your argument and you might find some people to discuss with.

        What argument are you referring to? 🙂

        His pro-fighting “argument” is basically – “Players like it, league likes it, everyone likes it, I like it.”

      • Roy_s_WINK says:


        So your counter-arguement is that you don’t prefer my method of delivering my views?

        How beautiful and amazing must it must be living in Timo & Boone’s snow globe.

        You still haven’t debated my actual statements. Start again.

        • Bripro says:

          I think his point is that you get farther with sugar than vinegar.
          You’ve even countered by taking a shot at both Timo and Boone.
          And what does it get you?
          Nothing but a little loathing by at least a few on here.

        • Mattyleg says:

          I didn’t make a counter-argument.

          I didn’t set out to debate your statements because that would be a tacit approval of your tone and attitude, both of which are unpleasant, as you have once again proven in this reply.

          As I said before, adjust your tone and attitude, and I, and others I’m sure, would be happy to debate.

          Otherwise, continue your rancorous ranting into the void.

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • commandant says:

          My point is that you made a number of broad sweeping generalizations that fans and players all love fighting and it is just Boone who is against it.

          I would say that the number of fans and players who don’t support it is growing at an incredible rate, and that you shouldn’t generalize like that. Many fans like it, many fans don’t.

          On top of that, there are many things people like, but still aren’t allowed in our society.

          Go Habs Go!
          Your 2013 NHL Draft Headquarters, Now Open.

    • Phil C says:

      The players want fights, yet 2/3 of them never get into even one fight over a season. There is a disconnct between what they are saying and what they are doing. When that happens, I tend to find actions more telling.

      As more information comes out on concussions, the more ridiculous allowing fighting becomes. If you are not aware of this, perhaps it is you who is out of touch. When a true hockey insider like Yzerman goes on the record saying it might be time to get rid of it, that means attitudes are changing.

    • wjc says:

      90% of the players don’t fight, so they do no care if someone else does the fighting. Fighting is fine by me it creates jobs for those that could not play in the league otherwise, just some, not all.

      Old time revenge and western justice is good entertainment. You like fighting, good for you, so do I, in certain situations. If the Canadiens have the toughest guy great, if the don’t not so great.

      You have no idea what the average demographic is on here, I would say 9 years old to 85 with most still wet behind the ears.

      So run along, young fella, a respect your elders.


  41. commandant says:

    Christian Thomas now has 6 points in 6 AHL games after returning from injury.

    Go Habs Go!
    Your 2013 NHL Draft Headquarters, Now Open.

  42. Ian Cobb says:

    We have built and are continuing to build from the goal out. Which is the only way to develop a winner.
    Yes we have Carey & Budaj holding the fort. We have 4 top 4 D, with a few developing in Hamilton. We are now able to roll 4 lines, with speed and the youth spread over the lineup now that the team is healthy for the first time in a long time.

    But more than all that, is the fact that a franchise is not only built from the goal out, it is built from the G.M. down through the front office, scouting staff, coaching and then onto the ice.

    We now have the best in the NHL front end of our franchise in place, to proceed to the cup over the next couple of years. Thanks to Molson, this organization is now going to be among the elite teams again, for years to come.

    • wjc says:

      This up and coming team is the result of Gainey, Gauthier and Bergivin. Each has had a role in its development.

      Gainey rebuilt with Price, Patriocety etc. Gautier made some astude trades for futures. Bergevin is holding it all together with fans wanting success yesterday.

      I would say thanks to Gillette as well, for starting the long journey. Nobody has been perfect, but when you try to guess the future it is usually hit and miss. You win some and lose some.


    • Maritime Ronn says:

      Hi Ian

      There’s a little saying in this neck of the woods
      ” The fish rots from the head down”….and those fish are long gone

      What’s great about Geoff Molson is that he is providing money for areas that have no Cap – that being Player development and scouting and all those other unseen items.
      Word around is that he is an unbelievable owner that doesn’t meddle.

      That stuff takes time to show up and it’s great knowing that guys like Marty Lapointe-Scott Mellanby-Brisebois add to the expertise and wealth of experience of the Bergevin-Dudley-Carriere trio.
      The North American and European scouting depts. have also been beefed up.

  43. Timo says:

    I just realized they gave the first goal to Galchenyuk. Lucky bum. I could score that way too.

    • Mattyleg says:

      My buddy was sick.
      He put Markov in to the Habs Twitter competition as first scorer, and was freaking out that he’d won… only to be robbed.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I am not sure you could have skated to the net fast enough to be there when the shot was taken to get the deflection, so I will say, No you couldn’t have scored that way. 😉

    • PrimeTime says:

      You think way too highly of yourself.

    • Bripro says:

      Do me a favour.
      Try it, take a video of it, and I’ll post it on youtube.
      Then you will truly be immortalized. And not just on HIO.

    • wjc says:

      If you could make it down the ice in time. You would still be trying to get over your own blue line. If you did make it by blind luck you would probably faint with the puck coming at you at 100 miles an hour.

      Yes it is so easy, but if you ever had to try and keep up to these guys you walk away with a new appreciation of their unique talents. I tried to keep up with Junior ‘b’ and ‘c’ players and was totally outclassed and humbled.

      Would love to see a big dish of humble pie eaten by the experts on here.


    • Timo says:

      You guys all need to take a trip to a saloon. Talk about taking things seriously.

  44. zephyr says:

    hey markov had a good game & buffalo did everything they could to take subban out of the equation. that left markov open & even Gallagher on his goal as the buff fwds cheated up. markov is not better than subban. period. nevertheless, markov is a keeper & they should resign him.
    dd played another good game & the hounds have stopped braying for his blood. he was playing good during his slump too. now gionta is in a slump but he’s produced b4 so maybe we need some patience. briere, on the other hand, is virtually invisible & came here after he was bought out. ugh. he looks like he’s done.
    I have a feeling that tinordi &/or pateryn will be in mtl b4 the end of the season.

    • Cal says:

      Markov is superior to Subban in the way he sees the game and what he does on the ice. Subban can skate faster and be more physical, but he’s not the general on the ice Markov is. He’s getting there, though.

    • wjc says:

      Listening to Wendel Clark yesterday. He was a streaky scorer as well. He said when you are hot they go in and when you are not everything goes wrong. He said you just have to keep digging in. He could not explain why he was streaky, he just knew he was.

      He also said when you are not scoring you try and do other things, that perhaps do not get noticed by fans. You keep trying to play threw it. If it happens at the beginning of the year, that is very noticable and puts extra pressure on a player. If happens at a different time of the year and you already have a few goals, it is not noticed as much.

      Brier is contributing in other subtle ways and the scoring will come back, at least that is my hope.


  45. SmartDog says:

    A question about Markov’s next contract…. since he’ll be 35 soon, doesn’t that mean that there is no way out of any commitment – no buy-outs, no retirement etc?

    If that’s true, I would give Markov a MAXIMUM of:
    2 years @ 6
    3 years @ 5.25

    Not a penny more. As much as Markov is awesome, Murray was awesome once. So was Briere. We’ve been burned enough by lousy contracts. We have strong D depth, we’d work it out.

    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • shiram says:

      Yup that seems like reasonable numbers, maybe a bit low, it’s tough to say.
      But with the rising cap, it could be that he demands more.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      What would be the reason to want out of a contract with Markov? The only thing I could see would be if he suffered a devastating injury to his knee. In which case his contract would be similar to that of Pronger, where we can use it against the LTIR and spend over the cap by the amount of his contract once we are up to the cap ceiling.

      Giving a 35+ contract to Markov does not worry me, given he has never shown that he is unwilling to work hard for the team. His continual efforst in rehab etc.. trying to come back early etc.. were signs that he is a team first guy.

      It isn’t like he is a type of player to coast.

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      It’s a tough call

      Last summer with a shrinking Cap, the following happened

      – 39 year old Sergei Gonchar signed 2 years/$10M
      – 35 year okd Marc Streit signed for 4 years/$21M

      Where does Markov fit?

    • Habsrule1 says:

      I’d probably be right around those numbers, but if it took 5.5M or so, I’d cave.

      Was Murray ever awesome?

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • Cal says:

      Too low. Get real. He’s playing well above his salary. He’ll get 6 for 3. Low balling the Habs premiere Dman over the last decade is a bad way to operate.

    • Ian Cobb says:

      I’m with you Smart Dog!
      Two year contracts are the only way to go for players over 34yrs.
      And 4 year maximum contracts for players under that. If they will not sign for that let them find work elsewhere.
      Most players recognize the other benefits of playing in Montreal.

      Number one is that they have my support!!!

    • Habs_101 says:

      I think MB offers Markov three options;

      2 years 13 million (6.5 per)
      3 years 16.5 million (5.5 per)
      4 years 22 million (4.5 per)

      The preference for MTL is to get short term, while the preference from Markov is long term. I really dont see how we can justify a pay-cut based on his play UNLESS its for term (options 2,3) if we are winning term in the negotiations I think he gets raise to 6.5 and if he plays like he has, he earns every penny.

      GO HABS GO!

    • Bripro says:

      OK well for one, I seriously doubt Murray was ever awsome.
      Second, you want short-term why? Because of his age?
      Tell that to Chelios, or Saint Louis, or the Neidermeyer brothers.
      Some players get better with age.
      Has he lost some speed because of his surgeries? No question.
      But his reaction to that is to play smarter than he used to, if that’s possible.
      I believe Markov is one of the smartest players in the NHL, and certainly one of the most talented.
      And I’m convinced that PK (who I think is just touching the cusp of his tremendous talent) will get exponentially better with Markov by his side.
      Look what he did for Komisarek.

    • jimmy shaker says:

      I think he wants and gets 4 years in the 6 mill/per range especially after the new telly deal. Also, he deserves it!

      Shaker out!

    • JM says:

      Markov is a big liability every time he steps on the ice. Myself I would keep markov around on a yearly contract 5.25 mil per. He’s worth every cent if he can stay healthy. Not sure he would go for that if not I’d be looking at the age and possibility of re-injuring the knee and getting stuck with a big contract we’ve been down that road before …so do we keep him or trade him come trade deadline. we’re not going to win the cup this year and it would be a good chance to pick up a couple of good draft picks or a couple of good players that could help the team down the road …

  46. jon514 says:

    Hey Guys. Looking at the habs prospects this year, there have been lots of surprises.

    I have a few questions for those among you who have more insight into developing hockey players than I do:

    Will Martin Reway wear the Bleu Blanc Rouge next year?
    Who the hell is Jeremy Gregoire?!
    Is Mike McCarron a bust?


    • Habsrule1 says:

      No idea about the first 2 names (how they are doing) but how can a player be a bust before he even becomes pro?

      I’d prefer to wait at least a couple years after his draft year before calling him a bust.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

        • commandant says:

          They are both playing well (Gregoire and REway) but those are junior numbers, and they both still have aspects of the game to work on. Both are long term projects and will be back in junior next year IMO.

          As for McCarron, hopefully with his size he becomes a bigger Travis Moen. I never wanted to pick the guy, and his lack of scoring this year (continued from last year) is the reason why. He’s not gonna be a top line guy. Our best hope is he ends up as good as the Turner Stevenson pick.

          Go Habs Go!
          Your 2013 NHL Draft Headquarters, Now Open.

          • Stevie.Ray says:

            I will second that motion. McCarron to me is, best case scenario a third line grinder, but most likely will end up being similar to Blunden. Size doesn’t mean anything for the Habs if they are stuck in the NHL. Gregoire is a pleasant surprise and I was happy we got him so late in the draft. Reway is super skilled but it’s just so hard for a guy that size to make a team that already has Gionta, Desharnais, Gallagher and Briere. He will likely at best be a top notch AHLer

  47. SmartDog says:

    I’ve got a pretty good vocabulary. (Scored 80 for language on the GRE’s a hundred years ago.)

    But had to look up profligate… so here it is:
    Profligate: carelessly and foolishly wasting money, materials, etc. : very wasteful.

    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

  48. Mattyleg says:

    I just remembered that Plekanec used to be #35.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  49. scotland says:

    yes i applaud markov for going agent free. be cool to see more players doing it. may see more vets follow markovs lead. altleast when they are gonna be signing what looks to be there last contract.

    agree with boone. mb should give markov what ever he wants. say 30 mill four years. or 35 for 5 years.
    subban 7 years 50 mill.

    gionta…trade at deadline. do not resign no matter what.

    gorges…..trade at deadline. yes he “gives all he’s got” (thats like my buddy who offered to give all his money to help the poor, problem is he only has fifteen bucks) habs could do better than gorges on top 4.

    dd…..trade. has talent yes but just the odd small man out on a team that is lacks size.

    pleks….extension but reg shift and pk. get him off the pp as he is not a powerplay man. doing pk, pp, reg shift, key face offs and carring gionta is too taxing. will be burnt and invisible by play offs like every season.

    bourque……trade bait. this guy will be a suitcase and play for atleast 6 teams before he is done.


    therrien……..replace him

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      I don’t believe the story about your buddy.

    • Mattyleg says:

      Okay, so you seem unhappy about a bunch of our players.
      Why? Because they don’t produce every single game?
      I would be interested if you could identify an NHL team whose players all produce to a high degree every game.

      Who would we replace Gionta with? Or Gorges? Or Bourque?
      Don’t forget, we can’t pay more for replacements.

      And as for Therrien, we are in a great position and riding a 4-game winning streak thanks to him. Justify your dislike for him.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • commandant says:

      Please tell me what playoff teams trade their captain at the deadline? And a top 4 defenceman? and 20 goal scorer? and one of their top 3 centres?

      Has there ever beeen such a cleaning house at the deadline by a team that will make the playoffs?

      Go Habs Go!
      Your 2013 NHL Draft Headquarters, Now Open.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Come on Ben, this is the new NHL! 😉

      • 2mins4lookinsooogood says:

        What team commandant? Why the Robispierre Rockets of HIO! “Off with their heads, more punching, trade guys with NMCs,” the list grows.

        I never wanted an ignore function for the posts, but if you could add a few choice filters, the insane posits would never see the light of day.

        “Don’t crush that dwarf Alex Henry, hand me the pliers”

  50. Maritime Ronn says:

    Not sure if it’s some kind of NHL record, but the Leafs did not record a single Shot on Goal for the last 25:05 of their game last night – OT included.
    Not 1 shot!

    And what did Carlyle think about that?

    ” (Malkin) pushed the goaltender first and then deposited the puck in the net, but we’re not supposed to complain about that stuff.”

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      Including one powerplay.

    • longbow says:

      LA Kings had 0 shots on goal vs the Habs in the 3rd period of the last game of the ’93 Stanley Cup finals. Amazing stat considering they had Gretzky,Robitaille and were fighting for survival.

      ” Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm ” – Winston Churchill

  51. twilighthours says:

    My students are writing a test right now. I think they hate me.

    Missed 100% of the game due to power outage. Caught the highlights.

    Gallagher is a beauty.

  52. Puck Bard says:

    Yup. When the game ended, I called my dad in the Maritimes and all we could talk about was Markov. He is like a Doug Harvey or Orr. He can control the pace of the game, slowing it down when things get too flashy and heated.

  53. shiram says:

    Glad to see my reverse jinx worked to perfection, predicting a 3-1 win for the Sabres.
    Thought Murray was cut by his helmet, but many say it was a punch, was hard for me to see.

  54. Habs_101 says:

    It looks like MT has finally figured out some line combinations that are producing and effective in different circumstances. Presumably we will now see a lot more stability among the lines. The way I see it barring some type of monumental cold streak the lines are stuck in pairs or sets of three for the foreseeable future;

    Patch – DD – Gallagher
    Galch – Eller – ________
    _____ – Plek – Gionta
    Bournival – _____ – Moen

    With Prust, White, Briere filling those roles currently and the success we are having (albeit a very small sample) I think we are seeing very defined roles now, Top line is offensive only, second is secondary offense w/ minimal d zone, third is shutdown line bonus offense, fourth is energy and grind.

    With the current configuration Parros and Bourque appear to be spare parts, Parros will come in sparingly when an enforcer is required. I dont think Bourque is a poor player per say (he averages 0.52 pts per season over his entire career ~42pts a year) but Bourque needs to play in a top six role and get some powerplay time, he wont get enough of either of these here, I think that he has trade value though. I am proposing we send Bourque and a third to Columbus for Nick Foligno.

    The reason I love this trade is that I think it meshes perfectly with our line combos, Foligno is a few years younger than Bourque and slightly smaller (6’2″ 215 vs 6’0″ 205) but Foligno is more suited for a high amount of penalty kill, shutdown and bonus offense role. I think he would look great with Pleks and Gio, giving us a true shutdown line. I would tweak the other two accordingly;

    Patch – DD – Gallagher
    Galch – Eller – Briere
    Foligno – Plek – Gionta
    Prust – Bournival – Moen

    That leaves a carousel of Moen, White, and Briere depending on who we play. Just my thoughts, but I definitely like the way we are shaping up. The D is heading in the right direction too… still would prefer to have Pateryn up for either Boullion or Murray though.. haha Cheers!


  55. frontenac1 says:

    Hola Amigos! Great game by Les Boys and how about Crankshaft eh? My buddy in San Jose was right when he said we would love the guy. Which reminds me , All my Amigos in the States, Have a Great Thanksgiving. Think I’ll go on a Rip and then watch some Football.Saludos!

  56. mfDx says:

    Stephane Waite gets a lot of credit for Price’s play this season.
    I’ve seen no mention of the grounding effect a wedding might have on a young man in Montreal.
    Remember the nightclub photos a couple years back?
    Remember Chelios before his marriage?

    Sent via drunken carrier pigeon

  57. Bripro says:

    I suddenly realized why the new NHL deal orchestrated by Butthead-the-rat upset me so much.
    Did anyone read Jack Todd’s article?
    Whether you like him or not (many on here do, many don’t), given his often controversial articles, I find it ironic that Todd, of all people would write about Don Cherry in a positive light.
    For years he’s chastised Cherry for his arrogance, his brain-dead observations, his rock-em-sock-em and his wallpaper wardrobe.
    But he was the first (that I’ve read anyhow) to point out that Cherry, like the soon-to-be-obsolete CBC’s Hockey Night in Canada and TSN’s Habs coverage, is an institution.
    Like him or not, Cherry on Saturday night is like an old shoe. Just like Pierre Houde on RDS.
    This whole thing forced me to reminisce about the hockey of old. Hockey before coloured TV, before the advent the Telex or the fax machine, before the desktop or laptop, before the iPhone or even any phone without a cord; before the microwave oven or the credit card.
    During a time when you had no choice but to stand in line to get money from the bank…never mind ATM machines. This during a time when even sports photographers like Ted Church (a personal friend of mine who took the pictures of John and Yoko at the Queen Elizabeth – during their sit-in) had to develop their pictures.
    This during a time when I begged mom and dad to let me stay up to at least watch another period orchestrated by Danny Gallivan or Dick Irvin or even René Lecavalier or least, but certainly not dismissed, Foster Hewitt.
    “Hello Canada” ….. “Lemaire skating gingerly up the ice” ….. “Savard doing another spinorama move” ……
    Or Dick Irvin’s encyclopedic memory of all-that-is-hockey.
    Nostalgia, it comes with age. And the older you get and the more you remember about the impacts of your life, the more the emotions take over.
    I realize that life changes constantly and many of the people who have had an influence in our lives fade away, but are never forgotten.
    Sometimes it’s hard to let go.
    Thinking that the Hockey Night in Canada jingle might fade into oblivion as well just aches in my bones, like every morning when I get up to discover another ache.
    But I think when this new deal starts, the only ache will be in the heart of my memories.
    I guess that’s the consequence of growing old.
    As long as I have friends here along with those who share the excitement of our game together, even Jack Todd won’t seem quite so annoying.

  58. scotland says:

    “brierre a better fit with elar and galchenyuk instead of prust”? yea right. habs finally get a player like prust who media and fans have been screaming for for years and you wanna replace him with a small 38 year washed up forward who was just bought out and cut by own team. and do what with 10 million dollar prust? stick him on the fourth line ? the line that you just complimented? prust needs to play regualrly. having him ride shot gun with the galchenyuk (future no 1 center) and elar (knocked out senseless game 1 play offs) is the perfect spot for prust. replacing him on that line with brierre????? think about it

    • Habfan10912 says:

      You don’t need to be so confrontational while making your point. Prust does indeed provide protection to Eller and Galchenyuk but there are recent examples of his not being able to keep up with the two youngsters. While I agree with you that Prust is the better fit for now, its still worthy of discussion and debate.

      • Habs_101 says:

        Further to your point (which I tend to agree w/ re:prust and those two) I think its also worth noting that balance in the lineup is KEY to every team that has won the cup recently. Its not secret the Bruins have one of (it not the best) the best 4th lines in hockey. I think Montreal has the pieces to also put a great line together…

        I would play Prust with Galch and Eller MOST games, but when we play deep, big talented teams (Bruins, Penguins, Leafs) I would like to see;

        Bournival – Plek – Gionta
        Prust – White – Moen

        This gives us a great shutdown line w/ offense AND a tough high energy fourth line
        GO HABS GO!

  59. Lafrich says:

    2 guys who I thought were either has-beens or never-beens have proved all of us (well, ok, me) wrong! Markov and Price. Based on the last 30 games last year, and the first 5 this year I thought Markov was terrible. Boy has he ever turned it around, and I can’t see it slowing down either. He looks fresh and back to his pre-injury days. Just awesome. As for Price, I know I don’t have to say a word. His play is speaking for himself night in night out. I bashed that guy for 2 years. Amazing.

    I have never been happier to have been proven so very wrong.


    • The Dude says:

      Price is playing focused ….well done.So John Scott can’t fight eh?Well if that’s the case we should just forfeit the games against the Laffs and the Booins or play Parros! Halak 14-3-2….Lars Eller, average !
      As for the fighting debate..we belong to the Primate family”Jane Goodall”and we take that luggage with us on our evolutionary journey so GOOD LUCK WITH THAT.

  60. Mattyleg says:

    I think that Markov got rid of his agent because he wants to stay here and knows the team will do right by him without any heavy-handed agent meddling.

    Also, he might be doing it so that the team can afford to offer him less because he won’t have to pay his agent a cut of his salary.

    Would be nice to see fewer agents in the NHL. It’s a pretty stupid job.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  61. HabinBurlington says:

    There is a little blog/web site in Toronto that has been around for a few years now and they focus on covering sports media. Here is the host of the sites take on the Rogers deal as it relates to CBC.


    I had forgotten how bad Bettman could make Maclean look in an interview.

  62. Strummer says:

    Leave Parros in the pressbox.

    “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

  63. PrimeTime says:

    It was a good night adding to the win streak, Bruins getting blown out out, and Leafs blowing a lead to lose a point (zero SOG in the 3rd?? Lol). Some nice talking points for the day. But I will curtail bragging like a Leaf fan. I believe MB and MT have done a good job with this group but I have no illusions of grandeur yet. Price has been great, the D is playing well which is a great start. MB still needs to make improvements to our scoring lines which I will patiently wait and expect over the next couple of years before we can can say we can be true Cup contenders. We do not have a forward like Malkin or a Kane just yet to score goals when needed. We may have a couple in the making but the likes of Chucky and Gally will need more experience. But if MT and the current roster can get into the 2nd or 3rd round of the playoffs I feel our core players will get some valuable playoff experience to make a huge step forward to becoming a contender in the not so distant future. Good players Get better from both winning and losing. We have some smart hockey minds in management and as much as I am feeling good today, I feel better about the future.

  64. HabinBurlington says:

    At present only 4 teams are in the midst of a 3 or more game winning streak.

    St.Louis 5, Chicago 4, Montreal 4, San Jose 3.

    That isn’t bad company

  65. third generation haber says:

    3 things that concern me,

    1) Because of the shortened season last year, I think many of us don’t remember what the damage is like after 82 games of getting hammered by bigger teams. We’re flying now, but can we sustain the abuse? Our little forwards got decked too often today.

    2) I want to see Parros and Murray in the lineup when we play the thug teams: Toronto, Boston, Ottawa, Philly, Buffalo.

    3) Markov is having a renaissance, and I love him, but before we open the vault for him, I think we need to remind ourselves of his age, his knees, and the fact that nearly all players suddenly become amazing during contract years (see Cammalleri), only to fade before the ink dries on the new deal.

    j.p. murray

    • HabinBurlington says:

      So Point #3
      He is 34 years old – that seems pretty good to me
      Contract year – Did you watch him last year?
      Knees – How many games has he missed since getting it fixed right? Oh yah none due to a knee injury, including his KHL stint.

      However, your love for him indeed feels very real.

      • PrimeTime says:

        You can also add the Markov had adjusted his game and is a smarter player since his surgeries which will add to his years of play. I think he’s deserves a 4 year contract today whether he goes another 3 or 5 years.

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      1) While we are far from the biggest meanest team, I don’t recall any game this year where the Habs were run out of the rink.

      2) Parros for Toronto. Murray should be playing the majority of the games over Bouillon moving forward. With Prust-White-Moen and now Emelin, that’s enough team toughness even against Boston.

      3) 3 years $15M-$16M. In 2 years the Cap will be $70M and that deal will look good.

    • Mattyleg says:

      1) Our ‘little forwards’ are hockey players who have somehow, against all the odds, and all of the endless, pummelling abuse they so undeservedly receive at the monstrous hands of the giants that make up 99% of the NHL, survived many seasons. Gionta, for instance, has managed to live through 11 seasons so far, including 4 82-game seasons. It’s a miracle, I agree. A True Christmas Miracle.

      2) We managed to make it through Buffalo’s thuggery and beat them without Parros. I don’t see the need for him in the lineup against Ottawa or Philly. Maybe Toronto and Boston, but that would be about it.

      3) Markov was always amazing. No need to fret about him disappearing on a non-contract year.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • habsguru says:

      contract year AND Olympic year

    • savethepuck says:

      4 in a row and 6-1-1 in the last 8 but but but but but but but but but but but but bit but bit but but but but but but but bit bit but but bit but but but but but

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

      • FormalWare says:

        I found the 3 “bits” mixed in amongst all “des buts”, up there (which must represent all the goals Habs have scored on this winning streak).

        What do I win?

        WWSD (What Would SubbieDoo?)

  66. habsguru says:

    I picked up on it 2 games ago, but last night was worse. PK was switching (at least 6 times) from a new Easton V series stick, to his trusty S19. likely in his head, but everytime he loses the puck, you see the orange stick in his hands. point is, if he is trying to fulfill an endorsment deal, not good timing. if he is breaking in new gear, do it during practice.

  67. Maritime Ronn says:

    Interesting to notice how the addition of Emelin changes things up so much for the Habs D overall.

    There is no intent to disrespect the contributions of either Diaz or Bouillon, but they are not Top 4 Dmen, and were called upon to play that role and did so as best they could.

    The addition of Emelin completely changes the dynamic, and the ‘domino effect’ is very evident.

    Having Emelin in the Top 4 moves Diaz/Bouillon/Murray to the 3rd pairing where they belong in Even Strength situations.

    Apart from that, opposing forwards/wingers now have to be totally and completely aware of Emelin when he is on the ice – be that coming down the wing, in the corner, or in front of the net.

    That was never the case with Diaz or Bouillon.
    There was no fear of getting hammered, and that same split second fear takes away some concentration – just enough to sometimes foil a play or goal scoring opportunity.

    There is an NHL stat called “5X5 Goals for-Goals Against” ratio.

    Before Emelin came back, the Habs were bouncing between 20-24.
    This AM, the Habs are tied for 8th best in the NHL-2nd best in the Eastern Conference behind only Boston.
    An Emelin coincidence?


    • third generation haber says:

      No coincidence at all! Emelin is difficult to play against, like Gallagher. Just imagine if we replaced DD, Briere, the cube, and Diaz with “Emelin type” players, it would be hell on earth to play against us (See St. Louis Blues).

      j.p. murray

    • bwoar says:

      I dunno man. I’m waiting for Steveareno to come in and tell us that Emelin is terrible 5 on 5 and that the coaches are idiots for not seeing it.


  68. Bripro says:

    Ok so where’s Chris? In my predicting a win last night, he peeled a layer off of me for “jinxing” the team. There was no jinxing there. Just clairvoyance.
    But no need to thank me.

  69. jimmy shaker says:

    Sign Marky……4 years @ 6 – 6.5 mill per…….This guy has been the best hab to date. His vision and passing are second to none in the game from the back end. He makes exit passes so easy, that the habs transition game especially last night was flawless. He pinch’s at just the right time and quarterbacking the PP….forget about it! This guy has rediscovered his old self, I want to say Nick Lidstrom esque. And remember last year, Marky was a huge minus in the +/- statistic………now he’s leading the team…….a great testament to his turnaround and comeback from terrible knee injuries. Keep it up Marky! Funny how guys tend to have break out or stellar seasons when it’s contract time. Price was solid again, Pleks was and is a modal of consistency……P.k., aside from getting bounced off the puck was good (I think the olympic pressure is affecting him a bit) Don’t like the briere demotion to the fourth line in the third period….that fourth line has been very good, leave it alone. Bourque in for who on Friday afternoon? and possibly Parros’ return on Saturday night….who sits?

    Shaker out!

    • The Juice says:

      Here here!


      “To you from failing hands we throw the torch, be yours to hold it high!”

  70. DipsyDoodler says:

    Even though I think fighting needs to go, Murray sure showed either courage or temerity in taking on John Scott. Good for him, and it looks like he wasn’t hurt too badly.

    But look at the video.

    Scott wasn’t really looking for trouble. After the whistle Scott checked Markov slightly (Marky barely felt it), then Gionta shoved Scott and Scott shoved back. It could have just ended there. Scott actually did nothing wrong.

    Murray probably took him on to cement his position as a starter and I guess he probably did.

  71. Mattyleg says:

    Good morning to all my friends!

    Good game last night. Not one for the Season Highlights DVD, but we did enough without having to sweat too hard to beat the worst team in the NHL and get the two points.

    I’m glad to see some posters climb down off Therrien’s back. As I said during the slump, there’s only so much you can do with an injury-depleted team, and it takes a little while for returning players to get back into the swing of things. He kept the ship pretty damn steady during that tough spell, and he deserves a lot of credit for that.

    In other news, it’s pretty sh!tty scheduling that has us playing both Toronto and Boston as the second game in a back-to-back, with the other team being from the Metrosexual division.

    But still, we’re riding a 4-game streak, and the world is pretty nice-looking today.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  72. jimmy shaker says:

    I agreed with everything Boone wrote up until the last point about the Scott-Murray fight last night. Like it or lump it, fighting is here to stay. It was a good battle…….murray has huge pair for going after scott. Thankfully it wasn’t a staged fight! I enjoy a good tilt and feel there is a place for a scrap or two in the NHL.

    Shaker out!

    • Cal says:

      That time is about done. There’s a big difference between 175 pounders going at it and 240 pound guys punching each other. The NHL will need to lose it to appeal to more fans.
      That doesn’t mean physical play should go away, too. I’m tired of guys having to fight because someone threw a perfectly legal check.

      • jimmy shaker says:

        I agree with you…..don’t understand the need to retaliate when a clean check is thrown…….that is the only spot where the instigator penalty should come into play. I think teammates step up in that situation to show each other that they have there backs. But instead of getting into a useless scrap in that situation and draw a penalty that gives the other team more of a chance to grab the momentum, calm down, and make a big hit later on in the game, or next shift. And to your point of the NHL appealing itself to more fans, our neighbours to the south are never going to embrace the NHL no matter what they do. Canadians carry this league, and I believe the majority of fans like fighting. If the NHL wants more fans, here is the answer. In 2016 when expansion comes into play, Quebec and Ontario get teams or Quebec and Saskatchewan. That’s how the NHL get’s stronger and broadens it’s fan base.

        Shaker out!

  73. HabinBurlington says:

    If you scroll down in this link, you will see a 5min. interview with Rick Dudley, pretty good listen I think.


    Edit: Habfan10912, sorry for the link earlier causing you to be ill, this video clip I promise will do the opposite. Dudley gives some real good insight and we can see why he is so valuable to MB and we also realize just how much he loves working in Montreal. His discussion at the end of interview is about what makes a good GM, it really is good to listen to. I encourage everyone to take the time to listen to all 5minutes of it.

  74. Luke says:

    Mornin’ Folks.


  75. Hobie Hansen says:

    Ok I was wrong, we should sign Markov. I thought with two knee surgeries and him not being a spring chicken anymore that he was on the serious decline. He has come pretty much full circle and looks fantastic.

    Next game, Briere out and Bourque in.

    What a display by Murray last night. He threw a couple of big hits, played well defensively and took on that monster Scott. I hit the old rewind button prior to the fight and Murray was stuck on the ice after a very long shift and Scott had just jumped over the boards. By the end of the fight Murray was beyond gassed. I’d like to see them go at it again with Murray fresh.

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