About last night …


That should have been a shared shutout
Yes, Peter Budaj was excellent .. again … in a 2-0, home opener-spoiling conquest of the Rangers.
But his teammates made more saves than their goaltender.
The Rangers managed 27 shots on Budaj.
Canadiens skaters blocked 28.

Their 214 blocked shots lead the league.

Andrei Markov led the way with six blocked shots– while playing 25:47. That’s almost a minute of ToI more than the Rangers’ Ryan McDonagh, who is 10 years younger than Markov.

Josh Gorges, who’s five years younger than Markov, blocked five shots. Eleven Canadiens put themselves in the way of Rangers shots.

This is to take nothing away from Budaj.

Carey Price’s understudy was terrific, especially on third-period shots by J.T. Miller, whom Budaj stoned twice, and Mats Zuccarello.

At this point in the young season, Ryan Smyth is the answer to a hockey trivia question: Who is the only NHL player who’s scored on Peter Budaj.

Smyth’s goal was on an Oilers’ power-play early in the second period of the Canadiens’ visit to Edmonton on Oct. 10. It was Edmonton’s 10th shot of the game, and Budaj stopped the next 18 as the Canadiens scored four unanswered goals.

Budaj has faced 55 shots this season. He’s stopped 54 of them. That’s a .982 save percentage, to go along with Budaj’s 0.50 GAA.

Of course, the Canadiens’ number 1 goaltender hasn’t been too shabby either. The team’s 1.83 GAA is fourth in the NHL, behind Colorado, san Jose and Boston. No other team has a GAA under 2.23.

The Canadiens average 2.92 goals scored per game, which is 13th in the NHL.

If you’re scoring almost 3 and allowing fewer than 2, you should win a lot of hockey games. And maybe the Canadiens will,  but we’ll get a better fix on that likelihood when the Dallas Stars visit the Bell Centre Tuesday night.

Not to put too fine a point on it, the Rangers suck. In 10 games this season, they’ve scored the grand total of 15 goals.

After nine games on the road – 16 if you count exhibitions – the Rangers finally played on home ice at the renovated Madison Square Garden Monday night. You would think they’d be stoked to put on a good show for Big Apple hockey fans.

You’d be wrong.

Lacking their two best forwards – Rick Nash and captain Ryan Callahan – the Rangers have very limited fire power. They fired blanks on five power plays, and Budaj was not severely tested until he made the aforementioned third-period saves.

Nor were the Canadiens an offensive juggernaut.

Tomas Plekanec got the Canadiens on the board with his sixth of the season during a second-period power play. The game had been scoreless – and excitement-free – for almost 40 minutes when rookie Michaël Bournival tied up two Rangers defenders, giving Plekanec a clear path to Henrik Lundqvist’s blue paint.

Alex Galchenyuk’s goal was a fluke – off his skate but ruled good because there was no discernible kicking motion – but it came off a nice odd-man rush with Lars Eller and Brendan Gallagher.

That was about it for the highlight reel.

As has been the case in every game this season, the Canadiens were outhit. Chris Kreider’s five checks led the way to a 20-12 Rangers advantage.

Douglas Murray, the one allegedly big thumper on the Canadiens blueline, had one hit in 14:21 of ice time. Murray also took an interference penalty, one of six Canadiens minors – including three to that villainous goon Brian Gionta.

The Canadiens have taken 57 minor penalties this season, a total exceeded only by Ottawa and Edmonton (58 each) and Minnesota’s 62.

The penalty-kill is eighth in the league with an efficiency of 84.0 per cent. The Canadiens power play is sixth, cashing 24 per cent of its chances. The combined figure exceeds 100, and that’s the mark of a pretty good team.

The Canadiens dominated the faceoff circle, winning 32 of 59. David Desharnais, Pleks, Eller and Ryan White all won more draws than they lost.

Louis Leblanc played a shade over 10 minutes. After taking a penalty in a 0-0 game and riding the pines for a couple shifts, Leblanc gained a bit of confidence as the game progressed and did some nice O-zone puck possession things in the third period.

Leblanc also skated, for one shift, on a line with DD and Bournival. As la Presse’s Richard Labbé pointed out on Twitter, this was the Canadiens’ first French Connection line in a while.

The most recent? The immortal La-La-La line: Maxim Lapierre, Guillaume Latendresse and Georges Laracque.

Flying Frenchmen, indeed!

•  •  •

Hey, is it too early to start whining about the playoff format?

The Canadiens’ 14 points would have them second in the woeful Metropolitan Division. But they’re fourth in the Atlantic and could be in a dog-fight for a wild-card playoff berth, 70 games from now.



  1. Maritime Ronn says:

    @ Un Canadien errant

    Re your post of almost what should, or should not be posted on HIO.

    First off, please know several of your posts are interesting reads that include both your ‘opinions’ on matters, along with very respectful, yet also very debatable musings and positions.

    That mentioned, The Gazette in general, and HIO in particular, is a web site that should be open to ALL that do not contravene any of the rules posted on the right hand side of this page:

    ” Hockey Inside/Out encourages lively debate, but there is a zero-tolerance policy regarding racism, profanity and behaviour that we deem to be offensive.
    We will, without warning, ban those who do not abide by this simple rule, so as to maximize the enjoyment of readers and participants of both sexes and all ages.”

    Your points are well taken, yet to claim a ‘Hgher Ground’ because of a troll here or there, or because you feel some poster may cross some personal belief lines is absolutely wrong..and allow me to quote you;

    “.. and chastising the Canadiens for their poor showing against the Ducks. He blithely dismissed anyone who corrected him on both these issues, and continued graffitiing the gallery unabated. Another described P.K.’s slapshot as the least accurate he’s ever seen.”

    To that, I say, so what?
    It truly comes down to this.

    Anyone can say or post what they wish, as long as they stay inside/within the posted Gazette/HIO rules.

    If the powers to be wish to change that, it will be their choice or not.

    Here is realizing you are rarely challenged on this site because of several excellent posts, insights, and what may be deemed as an intimidating fashion of writing – which may be viewed as both strong and wonderful ‘positions’, yet perhaps one day, someone may say:
    ” Limit posts to a few paragraphs or sentences”

    Would you be OK with that?

    Bias, or personal preference, is always subjective and somewhat dangerous in the bigger picture as to limiting or asking for ….

    The majority and VERY learned HIO posters ‘Get It.’
    They know what’s going on, and who to exchange/respectfully argue with.

    Allow The Gazette to figure it out – or HIO smart and astute posters, vs. your own feelings about what may be right or wrong from a poster.

    On that post, and respectfully stated, you are WAY off base.

  2. Subban in Sochi says:

    The Canadiens “Light and Refreshing” October schedule wraps up tonight with an opponent that can best be described as “mediocre/average/ain’t making the 2014 playoffs-unless they relocate to Metropolitan Division prior to April.”

    So the tradition continues; few meaningful “test” games through the first 13 games for Montreal.

    If you look at the next 6 games on the Habs’ sched you will see some legit tough teams. Conclusion: We will all know “who” and “what” this team is by game #20; after the Habs face-off against some of the NHL’s Big Boys over the next 2 weeks.

    With 7 NHL’ers out with significant injuries and a walk-in-the-park October docket there is no way to assess the Habs to this point.

    Nothing can be said about Budaj that doesn’t detract from him or the author. But I’ll venture a “Wow!” and a related “Merci, Stephane.”

    I wish Bournival would give “balance” and “pursuit” lessons to Lars Eller & MaxPac (and L. LeBlanc if he sticks). If they played with his dogged pursuit they would be absolute terrors with their size, speed & skill. Eller is less fun to watch over the last week as he has started reaching more & skating less.

    Bournival also gets a primary “assist” on re-energizing Tomas P. and the Captain after they started slow this season. That line is the definition of “chemistry.”

    Speaking of primary assists, pairing P.K. Subban and Andrei Markov has allowed Markov to emphasize his many gifts and camouflage his few weaknesses. It would be great to see Andrei play for Mom Russia in Sochi but I prefer that “Champagne’s” knees are on ice for those 17 days.

    Brendan Gallagher’s poster must be in the locker room of the 29 other teams…or should be. He is being fouled unmercifully after the whistle. Sigh. I’m not sure why the Habs are an NHL leader in minor penalties. Maybe the zebras could throw Gallagher a bone the next time his head & neck are wrenched in a post-whistle mugging; “2 mins. for abusing human Bobo doll.”

    “Cannonading drive!!”

  3. XKCD comic relevant to our discussion: http://xkcd.com/386/

    And on that note, an equally relevant quote from Mark Twain: “Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.” 🙂

    Devils coach Jacques Lemaire on the Daneyko-Kaminski feud – “Daneyko got mad when Kaminski said he was going to knock his teeth out. Dano has only two teeth left, so you can’t say that to Dano.”

  4. shiram says:

    Hmm maybe makes that trade a bit more even, but still…

    Darren DregerVerified account ‏@DarrenDreger

    As per @TSNBobMcKenzie Buf retains roughly $1.4 mil of Vanek’s salary. Sabres offered Vanek to Toronto along with willingness to eat salary.

    And Dion Phaneuf…
    Nick KypreosVerified account ‏@RealKyper

    Is #Leafs Phaneuf worth 50M over 7 yrs? I’m hearing bar has been set in talks and that’s where it starts. More on HC@ noon+ @Sportsnet 2nite

  5. AliHaba says:

    Hey Ian, I agree with a lot of what you say….and…..congrats on the success of the summit. A lot of hard work come to fruition. Speaking of such, I was wondering if you would consider holding the next summit on a weekend with two games. Our trips to watch the Habs usually are on the Family Weekend when this year we’ll see Tampa on Saturday and Winnipeg on Sunday.

    And I like DaneGGer too. Can’t understand why it’s not catching on.

  6. Timo says:

    I think UCE needs a hug.

  7. alestar says:

    Holland did not look out of place on the 4th line and killing penalties last night…

    XXIV…and counting

  8. Hobie Hansen says:

    The guys on TSN 690 are drooling over the prospect of having Subban, Emelin and Murray in the lineup and watching teams come across the blue line. They know what they’re talking about ;-).

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      The guys on TSN690 are always drooling. Do they actually record the show in the nursing home?

    • FANHABULOUS says:

      The importance of that “fear factor” cannot be overstated. Just think about all the teams that usually try to fly into our zone, because they’re used to seeing small skilled guys. Having three guys who can lay a bone-crushing hit on you will make most teams slow down as they cross that blue line, which can only help our teams defensive play.

      “You will not regret picking me” – PK Subban.

      • Chris says:

        I find that the “fear factor” is almost always overstated, if not outright exaggerated. Players are often aware of who is on the ice in terms of things they might exploit, but hockey remains an instinctive game. Players will move to the area that has an opening, regardless of who might be on that side. This is why guys like Niklas Kronwall and Scott Stevens and Vladimir Konstantinov were/are able to routinely show up on the highlight reels with monstrous bodychecks.

        A hockey player that actually lets the opposing players override their instinctual feel for the game is not likely to ever make the NHL, and probably wouldn’t stay there for long if their skill level overrode that tendency at lower levels.

        • Luke says:

          I also would suggest that as big and tough as Murray is, what we’ll see is the opponents dump the puck into his corner, force him to skate to it and play the puck. He won’t be able to thump them, and they’ll force him to use two of the dullest knives in his knife drawer. Skating and Puck handling.

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            Actually Luke, he can simply protect the puck in his skates, put his shoulder down, take a hit, then easily shoot it off the glass and out of the zone or dish it off to his defence partner. He doesn’t have to scramble for his life to get to the puck like Diaz.

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          Couldn’t disagree with you more Chris. With guys like Murray and Emelin on the ice, players will take that extra look which can often result in them being stripped of the puck.

          • shiram says:

            We’ve seen it with Subban a few times already, the skater is about to enter the O-zone, but he sees PK lining him up, and so he just chips the puck in the zone instead of skating it in.
            But it’s not as clear cut as Hobie or Chris says it, it’s not a 100% thing.

          • frontenac1 says:

            If you dont adjust your game with guys like PK,Emelin,Murray on the ice, Then I agree,you won”t last long in the league. You will be in the quiet room.

          • FANHABULOUS says:

            That was the point I was trying to make. Not that players will just stop going to that space, but the fact that they will have to look up for a split second, then likely decide to dump the puck in instead of carrying it, means we get possession back more often. Job done.

            “You will not regret picking me” – PK Subban.

      • Luke says:

        I do not advocate the injuring of, or celebrate the injury to a player.

        I just think that if a player is to be carried off the ice on a stretcher (as happens on occassion) it’d be nice for it not to a be Hab for once…

        Seen enough of that to last for a while…

  9. Sportfan says:

    So far the way I look at the season is I see it as glass half full! Most games we could win which is very exciting and the prospects we have make me even more excited!

    Sports and Entertainment in the link click and enjoy, clicking is fun!

  10. Luke says:



    Look at point #3. Some astute (and Handsome and Charming) poster here made the same point here a little earlier.

  11. FANHABULOUS says:

    I want MOAR MOARRY!

    But seriously, I’m glad to see most of you are coming around regarding Markov. Before the season started, most wanted him gone, cause you know, he can’t skate, he’s soffffff etc etc… but if you think along those lines, then a guy like Lidstrom was also useless, cause you know, he can’t hit, he can’t clear guys from the crease and so on and so on.

    I think everyone can now envision the role of the “older” version of Markov in the future, a fantastically skilled D who can read the play as well as anyone, and makes some of the best outlet passes in the league. Similar to Lidstrom, he won’t put himself into too many bad positions to get crunched cause he reads the play so well and his positioning is solid (most of the time). I like him partnering up with PK, I think thats as good a first pairing as anyone can ask for.

    “You will not regret picking me” – PK Subban.

  12. Bill says:


    First of all, I think everyone here appreciates your contributions to the site: your essays are required reading to me and to many, and you help make the site what it is, at its best.

    I have to disagree with your thesis on this one however. In my view, this is a public forum, where everyone is free to post whatever they believe as it relates to hockey and the Habs. Your comparison to the opera is not apt: there is an expectation of quiet appreciation from an opera audience. Not so on an opinion based forum.

    I guess the simplest way of putting it is that it doesn’t matter how stupid someone’s opinion is, or how irritating they are: here at HIO they are free to post it.

    It’s unfortunate that we have to see it, but we do have the option of ignoring and not responding. This is actually a pretty effective way of discouraging those posters as well. They tend to go away after a while if they receive no attention.

    I’ve been here a long time and seen a lot of trolls come and go. This too shall pass. Keep posting and try to ignore the fools and trolls.

    • Habsrule1 says:

      I agree with you Bill. We can’t eliminate people for posting something, even if 99% think it’s ridiculous. This is different from rude, profane or violence-provoking. I don’t read through every post, but I have not read anything terribly rude or offensive lately.

      That being said, I enjoyed they game, even if it was missing a bit f fire & excitement. I thought the Habs played a perfect road game and didn’t let the excitement get to them. Bournival is shocking me on a nightly basis. I still believe that the Habs can finish 5th or 6th in the conference.

      Summit was a blast….can’t wait for next year’s!

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • Ron says:

      You are right Bill, UCE will have to pass on by the posts he thinks are below his idea of what HIO should be. Normand, you can dictate what you get on your blog or allow but here it is a different situation all together. I love your posts (a bit long at times) but I think its time to skip the troll type posters. Your day will be better. 😀

    • shiram says:

      Racism, threat of violence and the likes should always be moderated, and repeat offenders should be dealt with.
      But apart from that I agree, even though I find it annoying sometimes to read what amounts to obvious troll-bait.

      I find myself often checking the date an account was created just to try to validate if someone is trolling or not.
      Beyond that, this place is a bit overwhelming for new guys, though most here are extremely friendly and well mannered, there is a feel of inner-clique and it can be tough trying to integrate.

      But overall it’s still an awesome place.

    • Yup, gotta agree. Love UCE and his novellas, and while we may gently jive him for writing volumes, for many of us on here — and certainly me as well — his writing is one of the high points of the site, and one of the things that keep me coming back.

      Most people aren’t UCE, though. Most people don’t think before they post on here, or even before they speak in real life. Frankly, some of us aren’t even really intelligible at the best of times. And as someone who has been guilty of sometimes falling into both those latter categories, I like to think of this site as a place for all of us — relatively forgiving and open to all, even when we say dumb things. : )

      Devils coach Jacques Lemaire on the Daneyko-Kaminski feud – “Daneyko got mad when Kaminski said he was going to knock his teeth out. Dano has only two teeth left, so you can’t say that to Dano.”

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Bill, you and Ron are probably more down with the Buddha than I am. I appreciate your point of view, and understood that my post wouldn’t be received with unanimity.

      As far as my opera example being inapt, it is a comparison, meant to illustrate, but not to be perfectly similar. I think it does a good job of explaining what I want to say. There’s a certain behaviour expected at the opera, and there’s a certain behaviour expected at HIO. That’s why I hang out here, and not at TSN or other sites. Maybe it’s not overtly stated, but it’s quickly apparent after reading a post by you or Chris or 24Cups what the level of discourse is.

  13. shiram says:

    Absolute bore of a game last night, the Rangers came out fast and strong, the Habs held up during the first.
    Could have gone either way really, but it seems to me the Habs stepped it up and won it in second and third.

    I have to say, after a dozen of games, the Habs are looking good, maybe slightly better than I envisionned, especially considering the injuries.
    The D and O have been great, as evidenced by the goals againt/goals for.
    Price and Budaj both look solid, and don’t seem to be bothered by the new equipment rules.

  14. The Dude says:

    So typical of the U-nicks around here not to be praising Budaj for his outstanding play and shut-out and why is that??? CUS HE’S NOT CAREY PRICE… and you all don’t want to be part of the ‘BIG QUESTION” again of ” Who do I love most : Carey Price ,theHabs or my wife and kids”
    I am not a Budaj fan but I have to say he’s been “UNBELIEVABLE” so I tip my hat to him……

  15. Un Canadien errant says:

    Mods, everyone:

    regarding the offensive post at 0312 hr, and the discussion whether there should be censorship at HIO, in the strict legal sense maybe Dipsy has a point, that it’s a slippery slope and the Gazette shouldn’t fence the limits of what can be said beyond that, but I disagree.

    There have been a few posters who have joined up very recently and immediately sowed discord with their injurious and inane warblings. When they’re taken seriously instead of being actively ignored, and taken to task for their garbage, they vow that they need to “defend themselves”, usually by personally insulting those who reply to them, instead of debating the ‘merits’ of their contribution. Or, they squawk that they’re being targeted because they’re new, that the veterans on this site are discriminating against them.

    I don’t want to give credit to these posters by naming them, but we know who they are, they join the site and that same day troll all of us and drag the discussion into the gutter. Whether they’re outright intentional trolls, fans of other teams who just want to shake our cages, or very ill-tempered misadapted youth, who picked up their lack of manners on other forums (TSN’s springs to mind), they are not contributing, they’re gleefully spoiling our party, getting their jollies by doing so. They’re vandalizing the nice place we have here, throwing a couch through a window, and when rebuked, say that they want less furniture in the living room, and who can state that they’re wrong? “Everyone is entitled to their opinion”, they prattle.

    The thing is, their ‘free speech’ is not an absolute right. If we’re all at the opera enjoying a performance, they can’t come in and loudly decry the appearance of the performers, making juvenile remarks about a fatty, and when told to pipe down, claim “It’s a free country”. If we’re hosting a scholarly debate, they can’t come in as plants and bait the participants with insults and populist anti-logic (“Who’s to know what makes the sun come up in the morning?”) and bring the proceedings to a halt. If they try, we’re allowed to grab them by the collar and expel them if they won’t pipe down or play by the rules.

    They are ruining it for everyone. Last night, I started following in on the Liveblog, but checked out because a couple of posters acted like they were trying to shout over everyone at the dinner table, monopolizing the conversation. One guy was applauding Douglas Murray for being a tough local product, and chastising the Canadiens for their poor showing against the Ducks. He blithely dismissed anyone who corrected him on both these issues, and continued graffitiing the gallery unabated. Another described P.K.’s slapshot as the least accurate he’s ever seen. So I signed off.

    And that’s where we are today. We have a great community on here, epitomized by Ian Cobb and his merry band of revelers over the past weekend, and it’s a shame to see it defiled like this.

    I first joined HIO because I was googling for information on the upcoming draft in 2011, and specifically what the Habs would do, and what the farm team had in stock. I was re-connecting with the team and wanted to find out where we were and where we were going, and in all my searches HIO would pop up. I had dismissed this result in the past, because upon visiting the site had found that it was a mere online forum, and I knew how fallow and brain-squeezy these can be so I moved on. Eventually though, I gave it a chance, and was greatly rewarded by the surprising quality of the conversation, and how much I was learned by the many contributors on here, much knowledge was brunged to me. I rather quickly joined, since I enjoy a good chat, and I’ve never met a keyboard I didn’t like, and was welcomed by most very quickly.

    The thing is, when I did join, although probably more voluble than most first-timers, I knew I should tread lightly, listen to what the others had to say, interject in a respectful manner. I did mess up a couple of times, called out a strong poster for a mistake in his post for example, and was quickly rebuked by the vets, said my apologies and took my lumps, and followed along with how things work around here. The site was better for this intervention.

    So I find myself at this point troubled that our community is being usurped by a few trolls, who are turning, or trying to turn, our chamber of sober second-guessing into a TSN-style flame-war for pre-pubescents, or the Globe and Mail’s chamber of horrors, where carefully-staged freakouts await at every turn, designed to instigate and debase by a dedicated few.

    And the solution is simple, in my view. Posters who don’t contribute to but rather deter the proceedings should be zapped, their accounts terminated. If they sign up again and continue their tiresome shtick, zap them again, and consider blocking their IP address for a set period of time. It’s easy. Recent joiners should be scrutinized closely to ensure they’re not killjoys from other teams coming here to wreck stuff.

    I know the immediate objection will be about free speech and where do we draw the line and similar questions, but we needn’t worry too much about that, picking off a half-dozen low-hanging fruits will accomplish 99% of our goal, which is to rid ourselves of the new guy at the party who takes a leak on the living room carpet and thinks he’s a card for doing so.

    Respectfully submitted (and under a thousand words, for HardHabit’s sake).

    … you know, because there’s no way hundreds of overcompetitive stars with massive egos would ever cheat to gain an edge with hundreds of millions of dollars at stake.–Bill Simmons


    • DipsyDoodler says:

      ” If we’re hosting a scholarly debate, …”

      A what now?

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Kudos UCe, I suppose in the meantime, the hard thing to do is just ignore the buggers.

      By the way, your analogies are always spot on, particularly liked the new guy at a party taking a leak. Almost makes me want to insert an emoticon happy face, but I will refrain out of respect for you.

      CHeers Normand.

    • Timo says:

      UCE, maybe you need to be better at actively ignoring. I don’t get why people get so upset and sign off or quit a blog over other posters’ remarks. It’s not like it’s universally bad… there are more good posters than bad (however you define good and bad) and I don’t find it hard to skip over people who insulted me in the past. Give it a go.

      Worst case scenario you can just stick to reading Boone’s updates 🙂

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        I do try to actively ignore troll posts, but if two or five posters rise to the bait, my ignoring of the trolls is ineffective. Plus, from there, the troll now baits these two or five posters some more, and it spirals out of control. The page is now dedicated to refuting outlandish wackery for the rest of the day.

        I once had to weigh in on the idea that Max Paccioretty was “soft”, a couple of idiots (if not the same idiot under two accounts posting under one name and agreeing with himself with the other) spent the day claiming he was a coward and useless. Such lunacy should be wiped from the record immediately.

        Plus, if someone says something gross or quite offensive, and everyone ignores it, it almost is legitimized, since it remains there on the thread, as part of the conversation, unopposed. So a casual reader sees a post saying that Player X should be stricken by a terminal disease, and no replies, and that’s seen as being acceptable.

        Trust me, I do my major share of ignoring, and I struggle with this issue since I’ve become a regular member, but I felt I had to say something on this because of how bad it’s been lately. As you can probably tell by my 999 word essay.

        • That’s the thing though — you don’t have to weigh in. Over the years I’ve bit my tongue hundreds of times on here, resisting (generally successfully, though not always) the urge to jump in and correct some wrong. It’s just not worth getting dragged in.

          Devils coach Jacques Lemaire on the Daneyko-Kaminski feud – “Daneyko got mad when Kaminski said he was going to knock his teeth out. Dano has only two teeth left, so you can’t say that to Dano.”

    • The Dude says:

      You must be a Conservative or Republican…Enough with the 9\11 agenda….Freedom =life

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Not quite Dude, if you read my posts during the lockout, you’d know that I’m not a Conservative or reactionary.

        As far as freedom equaling life, I think I’ve done a decent job of illustrating that there need to be boundaries on an individual’s freedom where it detracts from someone else’s in my post.

        • The Dude says:

          Listen up Uce,no one has gotten into more argumentative debate and been name called more that i here…and all because I was right! After all, the site’s not that old… but the bad showing in the last 20 year of Canadiens hockey HAS BEEN a journey of Hab faith vs reality.You know that no one can get to you UNLESS YOU LET THEM so relax my Habs bro….besides,I read your long post always and I try not to argue with you ,lol

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            We should argue while laughing in person in early January at the Bulldogs-Heat game in Abbottsford.

    • Psycho29 says:

      Great post as usual UCE….I agree 100%..
      That’s the reason I am logged out during games (and after some losses)….I don’t need the aggravation of reading the same crap over and over.

    • AliHaba says:

      Sorry that you got into that UCE. I discontinued reading the game blog when I was screamed at for disagreeing with another’s opinion. All I read now are Mike’s comments and I do that between periods.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        It seems I need to learn and relearn that lesson, repeatedly. I like the idea of exchanging with fellow Habs fans during the game when I’m not on PVR, but the actuality tends to be disappointing. For every Burly and trini there are five gurus and perferssers.

    • Cal says:

      UCE, you may take a bit of time to get to the point, but your posts always have one. I agree wholeheartedly that newly opened accounts should be moderated for content and, if the account is a troll account, deleted.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        I was about to go on a couple more tangents, but saw the 1000 word limit approaching so I brought it on home in a rather rushed manner near the end there.

        Nice, timely gravatar.

  16. Bill says:

    Ghosts, I think the kicking rule is meant to avoid having players kicking at pucks in the crease near where the goalie’s head/throat are. At least that is the only reason I can think of for its existence.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Exactly right, it’s a safety issue. It used to be you couldn’t even voluntarily deflect the puck, which was hard to discern. The standard now has been relaxed, it accomplishes the ultimate objective of goalie safety, and is easier for the refs to determine.

  17. naweed235 says:

    Here’s an average Bruins fan. High IQ:

  18. Bill says:

    I know this is a stupid question, so apologies, but could someone point me toward a place where I could catch up on 24CH? I haven’t seen a single one yet.

  19. SmartDog says:

    Re. the whole “foot” goal thing. I don’t get the hulabaloo.

    1. The rule is there to stop people swiping at pucks with their feet like soccer players. You can bounce a puck of a shin, a leg, or even a hand into the net. No-one can say he did anything but turned his skate to stop. Absolute right call.
    2. The goal didn’t matter. 1-0 or 2-0, we win.

    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • Ghosts of the Forum says:

      I think the rule should just be eliminated. Why is it illegal to kick the puck in? It’s not like players are going to start kicking instead of shooting.

      If they start throwing it in, then we have a problem. But kicking being illegal makes no sense to me.

      • TheDagger says:

        I was thinking of that last night, but then figured it was a safety thing, and rightfully so. There could be some serious slicing and dicing going on in a crease if kicking it in was allowed.

  20. Ian Cobb says:

    JIM LAPLANT– Important memo
    Shane Oliver

    Please phone me about putting things being put on the site when you get a chance please. Thanks–Ian

    • Too busy right now to talk, I deleted all the content I took (videos/pictures). I can’t remove myself as admin because I created the site. What you should do now to have full control is to delete the page and start your own. You’ll have full control that way.

      Shane Oliver
      Twitter @Sholi2000
      Custom Sports Figures
      Summit Member

  21. Timo says:

    So gathering from the post from Bripro, L Elle’s name is still a mystery?

  22. habsguru says:

    ep4… MT gives Davey a rub down!

  23. habsguru says:

    finally caught up on ep3 of of 24ch, what is MT’s deal with PK??? what a tool. going on about summer hockey and charity games? did i miss something?

  24. naweed235 says:

    Here’s an interesting one for you (Murray Vs. Parros):

    Also a tribute to the freight train:

  25. Luke says:

    Bournival is 1 point behind MacKinnon in ye olde rookie scoring race. Fewer games played, more goals scored.

    Do with that what you will.

    (Obviously, MacKinnon is a bust).

    • AliHaba says:

      Well I can honestly say that I’ve been more than pleasantly surprised by Bournival’s play so far. He makes something happen every shift it seems.

    • B says:

      Mackinnon turned 18 on Sept 1st while Bournival turned 21 back on May 31st. Not to take anything away from Bournival’s solid play, but that age difference is significant at the NHL level.

      –Go Habs Go!–

  26. Think Subban will go for the leagues trend of getting their number as their salary, $7.6 Mil or will they give him more?

    Check us out at Hockey Insider on Facebook!


  27. Love Subban. Best player on the team, and his Norris was well-earned. But I don’t think we get to complain about the iffy calls against him (or the refs’ seeming tolerance of other players tripping him up) so long as he keeps diving. Noticed him diving pretty blatantly this season and last, and the tripping call he drew last night on a Ranger forechecker seemed no exception. If the Ranger’s stick touched his legs, it was ever so slightly — and even when he has been legitimately tripped/hooked this year, his tendency to hurl himself at the ice has not helped his reputation. A player has to at least try to keep his feet and stay in the play, and leave it up to the refs to assess the play based on what they see — not try to portray the infraction as especially egregious to increase the likelihood of a call.

    I’m sure there are plenty of idiots out there who don’t like him because of the colour of his skin, or because he’s a bit brash (in a good way IMO), or some combination of the two, or just because they’re frankly jealous. But if I were some other team’s fan, as much as I’d still love his skill, I think the diving would make it hard for me to love the player.

    Devils coach Jacques Lemaire on the Daneyko-Kaminski feud – “Daneyko got mad when Kaminski said he was going to knock his teeth out. Dano has only two teeth left, so you can’t say that to Dano.”

    • Timo says:

      Perhaps his diving is a result of refs not calling legit calls on him and he just got sick of it. Catch 22?

      I don’t think he dives that much though. An occasional embellishment but who doesn’t do it?

      • It’s true that it happens everywhere. I couldn’t stand seeing Crosby dive either, his first couple of years in the leaguel. Marchand too — though him, I can’t stand period. For sure Subban’s not alone in this, and every team has one or two, but he’s the only one I care about, because he’s one of ours.

        I do think though that in the regular season the refs err on the side of calling penalties, not letting them go — anytime a stick is up around the waist, someone goes off for hooking. Stick near the skates, and a little stumble is good enough for tripping. They tolerate the cross-checks and roughing, I guess because they think audiences like that stuff, but not the stick play. I don’t think he needs to launch himself onto the ice to draw penalties. In the playoffs, well, that’s something else…

        Devils coach Jacques Lemaire on the Daneyko-Kaminski feud – “Daneyko got mad when Kaminski said he was going to knock his teeth out. Dano has only two teeth left, so you can’t say that to Dano.”

    • AliHaba says:

      I think before you label PK as a diver you should look a little closer. You need to understand that very few players have the skating skill that he does. His ability to make those sharp cuts leaves him susceptible to losing his balance by the slightest hook or trip. At times he is at such a critical position that it would only take the slightest contact to send him off his feet.

      • Fair enough — but you’d think that being such a great skater would make him fall down a lot less, not more.

        Devils coach Jacques Lemaire on the Daneyko-Kaminski feud – “Daneyko got mad when Kaminski said he was going to knock his teeth out. Dano has only two teeth left, so you can’t say that to Dano.”

        • AliHaba says:

          That’s my point….not falling down but being tripped.

          • Sorry, I mean you’d think he’d fall down less than less skilled skaters, given the same stickwork that every player deals with.

            Devils coach Jacques Lemaire on the Daneyko-Kaminski feud – “Daneyko got mad when Kaminski said he was going to knock his teeth out. Dano has only two teeth left, so you can’t say that to Dano.”

    • Max_a_million says:

      He definitely has some foolishness in his play he doesn’t need.

      Oh well, he is pretty great none the less.

      • Timo says:

        And that’s why Michael Therrien developed and carefully tailored his Michael Therrien Personal Development Program specifically for Subban. After he graduates he will be a much better hockey player AND person.

  28. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    Just for shits and giggles…

    Pacioretty for McDonaugh straight up?

    Rags need scoring big time and the Habs need a top 4 dman (when Emelin is back we still only have three top four dmen).

    Have to give to get…love Patches, but if Bournival is as good as he looks…

    I’m not even sure I’d do it, but, you know, it’s fun to ponder 🙂

    • naweed235 says:

      Nope Thank you. He is the closest thing we got to a power winger that can score and we know very well those don’t just grow on trees

    • Timo says:

      I am not as high on Pacioretty as most here so I’d do it. McDonaugh could be a nice replacement for Markov eventually. Besides, we always have DD to fall back on in case things get stale on offense.

    • Bob_Sacamano says:

      FFS, Tinordi and Beaulieu should be ready for a fulltime job next season, maybe Pateryn too and there´s also Nygren. It would be beyond idiotic to give away our best winger now to get a number 2 or 3 dman.

      That doesn´t mean we couldn´t use one right now. Unfortunately our GM decided to sign three players who are all no more than a number 6 in Bouillon, Drewiske and Murray instead of only one of them + a top 4 guy.

    • Just because it’s fun and bc I can never resist armchair-GM-ing… : )

      If we didn’t have Tinordi and Beaulieu nearly NHL-ready, and so much more depth at D, I’d say yes. But IMO, our biggest shortage is gritty forwards with size who can score (even in Hamilton), and this would take us even further in that direction. If I were MB, I’d actually be looking to do the opposite: try to land that bang-and-crash 20-goal forward with, say a defenceman and a pick going the other way. Even someone like Steve Ott would be huge for us — another Prust-type who kills penalties, scores 10-15, is tough as nails, and wouldn’t cost a fortune.

      Incidentally, I love that MB is showcasing all our defensive prospects for at least a few games, with Pateryn now up too. You’ve got to think that he’s going to move some of our many, many D this year or over the summer.

      Devils coach Jacques Lemaire on the Daneyko-Kaminski feud – “Daneyko got mad when Kaminski said he was going to knock his teeth out. Dano has only two teeth left, so you can’t say that to Dano.”

    • kempie says:

      We need to just let go of the McDonnaugh thing. I know it’s hard but that ship has sailed. I say wait for Tinordi & Beaulieu & keep Pacioretty. I agree with the optimist that, if we didn’t have those two guys, I’d probably be interested but I’d rather just wait.

      The waiting is the hardest part. Tom Petty knows.

    • alestar says:

      I’d like to see DD straight up McDonaugh…they owe us for eating that Gomez contract

      XXIV…and counting

  29. Ian Cobb says:

    I am so impressed with our team Management and coaching this year.
    How we have been able to stay with the pack by managing all players, and the amount of filling in the line up each knight, is beyond me.
    Great job from a classy franchise.

    There has been some criticism of Galchenyuk lately from none thinking fans. Remember this kid was 18 last year on the 3rd line, facing the oppositions 3rd line.
    This year The DaneGGer line is now our 1st line facing the oppositions 1st line !, and he is only 19. He is another Jean Beliveau, in career development at this time. —IAN

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      Right on the money Ian.

      Below someone is making snarky comments about Markov, and how he’s only playing well because it’s a contract year.

      Marky always played this way, except briefly when he was coming back from knee surgery.

    • Cal says:

      Exactly, Ian. 19 and fans want Mario and Wayne rolled into one with some Gainey toughness on the side. He is and will be a great player for the Habs.

    • SPATS says:

      Well said Ian, the kid is also not playing his natural position at center. Let’s not throw him under the bus yet folks. His progression (and Bournival’s) is a sight to behold and I believe once we are healthier he will center line 1a, 1b or 1c – take your pick. DD will be the odd man out.

      And who’s my new avatar? See here:


    • naweed235 says:

      I wouldn’t compare him to a Beliveau just yet, but he’ll definitely be a good one.

    • JM says:

      agree 100% Ian!!

    • AliHaba says:

      Hey Ian, I agree with a lot of what you say….and…..congrats on the success of the summit. A lot of hard work come to fruition. Speaking of such, I was wondering if you would consider holding the next summit on a weekend with two games. Our trips to watch the Habs usually are on the Family Weekend when this year we’ll see Tampa on Saturday and Winnipeg on Sunday.

      And I like DaneGGer too. Can’t understand why it’s not catching on.

  30. Chartrand1223 says:

    Habs had a good game last night but the Rangers played it like they were the road team. I was wondering why DD and Gionta were on the pp at one point, that has to be on MT. Also on a 2 on 1 DD makes a terrible play, just shoots it wide, opportunity wasted. One funny moment lining up for face off The Ranger Center bent over for face off and he’s stilling bigger then D

  31. Cal says:

    For those that missed Crank’s opening salvo:

  32. habsguru says:

    last two games, Markov has been playing like it is a contract year….. or is it an olympic year? great that he is making a BIG difference, or frustrating that he can still play this way, but hasnt been?

  33. Timo says:

    I don’t know about you folks, but I liked Murray in the Habs lineup. Every time he went into the corner, there was strength and aggressiveness come out of him. No bullshit, not mindless poking of the stick at arms length, no glee in the oppositions eyes saying “Hah, I am going to nail the bastart”. Beautiful. Moar Murray!

  34. jeffhabfan says:

    Yes my friend Ian I had a wonderful time and the more I go the more friends I will make.

  35. HabinBurlington says:

    Decent read from Friedman on the current Sabres situation. Discussing how they are indeed going to now go with a youth movement and build through the draft. Where have we heard this before? Edmonton is also living this out, and just as the article mentions how dangerous it can be for young players to learn how to lose, is that what has happened in Edmonton?

    MB also mentions building through the draft, but along the way young players need the right veterans in the room to teach “how” to play in the NHL. This is isn’t just on the ice, its off the ice as well in things like nutrition, staying out of trouble, conditioning etc… This is why players like Markov, Gionta, Gorges and Plex are key to the future success of our Habs.

    To just draft high and play raw rookies, isn’t going to build a foundation.


    • Timo says:

      The idea is right, the vets are wrong. Sure, the Habs vets can talk the talk to the kids, but they need to show leadership on the ice. Of the group you’ve mentioned, I think only Markov has showed on ice leadership to date this season. But since Habs brass decided to send all the rookie Dmen down to A there is nobody to learn from Markov. (I mean, the other bottom 4 D can and should, but they aren’t learning as evident by their play.)

    • The Dude says:

      I am pretty sure you can do it better with veterans who are bigger-better suited to the NHL ‘s long season and game as well as play-off action for the amount of money’s being thrown around here.The only thing these vets are proven good at is folding at the 1/2 way point

Leave a Comment

You must be logged in to post a comment.