A win that slipped away


For the first time this season (but maybe not the last), the Canadiens lost a game they led after two periods.

(Photo of Brad Boyes scoring Shootout winner by John Kenney of The Gazette)

Pat Hickey’s game story

Quotes from the room

Red Fisher’s take

Markov practices

Stubbs on the Lucic hit

Boone on Canadiens VP Kevin Gilmore

Pierre Ladouceur’s game report card


  1. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …RDS reporting Frederic St. Denis, …Bulldog Defenceman called up
    …We certainly are awash in defencemen, aren’t We ?

    Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY

  2. pg says:

    I was at the game last night. A couple of (probably obvious) observations:

    Will somebody PLEASE give Eller some some decent minutes? How about on the powerplay in overtime, where he would have driven the net and/or dug in the corners, like he always does? As opposed to Gomez who waits to take a shot from a bad angle in the faceoff circle… maybe if he had a shot like Cami, ok, but he doesn’t.

    Cole is a really great addition to the team. He out skated two defencemen for an almost-breakaway (he was behind them when the race started), and managed to draw a penalty while he was at it.

    Hey Lucic – 3 games for looking so good.

  3. V says:

    Martin is roundly criticized for being too defensive – stifles offense for the sake of defense. Ad naseum.

    So if you are right, and we are down two goals going into the third, I can understand why his approach might be primarily responsible for our inability to come from behind.

    But we were leading by two goals. Given his propensity for defense, isn’t it even slightly probable that he had the right defensive scheme and the players did not execute properly? How can he be held responsible for being too defensive on the one hand and not being able to defend on the other… and the players get off scot free?

  4. slychard says:

    So our VP was chastised for the opening ceremony. Funny. After watching that joke in TO I thought the understated one in MTL was more befitting a crowd like ours. Having youppie is bad enough.

  5. montrealtilldeath says:

    JM (Alfred E. Newman) and his little book must go. Went to bed pissed and woke up in the same frame of mind. The game plan of this coach is insane. You know Buffalo has to get a goal early in the 3rd, You know you are going to see Derek Roy, Pomanville, Vanek right out the gate. Lindy Ruff knows JM will have Diaz out there and they jump on him like T Rex on the staked out goat in Jurassic Park. Put out an equivilant D to match i.e. PK and Gorges. As for the powerplay that nutless configuration with Plekanec on the point. Just watching it makes me ill. When we killed the 4 on 3 in OT and were so fired up we forced a 4 on 3 for us I told my son just watch JM throw Plekanec out there first again trying to prove he is right. Again they screw up sucking the energy out of the team. It just isn’t that they do not score on the PP but failing to score gives the mo back to the opposition. No wonder Price was so angry. He can see all this BS more clearly than any one. He deserved the win. As for JM in the post game commentary. “You know mistakes by young players cost us”. B$%^s#$t. Joe I hate to see the Habs lose any time but when they had that big run 2 years ago I had a lot of regrets at them winning because I knew it would keep JM behind the bench. I hate to say this again but maybe a protracted losing streak is the only way to get rid of him as we will NEVER win with him. Emelin clearly has more potential than Diaz or Weber. You can see the diamond in the stone. Hard hitter. Look at how he played Gaustad. Roy schooled him a bit but Roy is a very high quality forward. Emelin will learn. Spacek will likely be gone next year if the Habs management is smart. Of course Gauthier the JM twin must go too.

    • Aaron13 says:

      Well put. This team is a pathetic synthesis of good and bad players coached by someone who refuses to change his ways and who never blames himself for debacles.

      Time for the Molson’s to restore some dignity to this proud franchise.

    • swannyboy says:

      Totally agree,They kissed Emelin ass to play over here and sits.Pk should be the trigger man on the PP not weber,Plekey should be up front on the PP not the point,he gets a penalty on PP trying to defend the rush when it should be a defenseman there.Weber,darshe would not be on any team in the NHL. These are all JM doings,if they don”t get someone new,with a better system,and someone the players want to play for,this team is going nowhere…I”m like everybody else on this site ..A HUGE HABS FAN..we need a change

  6. montreal ace says:

    It would have been nice to see Nokia in the third, and how he would have helped the D. I did not realize that last night was our first loss, after going into the third with a lead.

  7. LA Loyalist says:

    Damien Cox’s take on the Lucic hit on Miller. Gives kind of a scary perspective. Actually I think this topic is more important than our pathetic choke last night, given that Price is our stud goalie and now has a bigger target painted on him than previously.


    • Captain aHab says:

      I don’t think this will be limited to goalies. The hit on Pacioretty demonstrated that. I imagine at some point you’ll see other types of flagrant hits-to-injure. Bring up Blunden and have him inadvertently fall with speed right in Chara’s knees for instance. Then have him say he didn’t know where he was on the ice, what team he was playing against and the fact that it wasn’t practice. He gets a 2-game suspension as a first offender and Chara’s career is toast. This is what the league wants and the NHLPA says nothing so why would it stop?

      Oh and if you don’t think someone will take a run at Markov’s knees when he comes back, then you you’re in for a surprise. I suspect Markov knows it too after the Miller incident. What’s a 2-minute minor to take out a star player possibly for the rest of the season? Or of his career?

      • Sal says:

        You said a mouthful there Capt. The state of this league under this bunch of clowns is disgraceful!! Nothing I would like more than to see someone take out that Gorila Chara’s knees. You’re right though, Markov, Crosby, they gotta be worried about their futures in this Bush League.

        Sal from the Hammer

  8. Chris F says:

    We lost for two reasons: the PP is the absolute worst I’ve seen from this team in the last 10 years. And the D coughed up another one in their own zone on the Roy goal.
    Keeping Pleks on the point is just brutal. There are signs at times that a coach is just stubborn/thick/ whatever you want to call it-in this case it’s just wrong. Pleks belongs on the half wall instead of DD. DD is doing ok but can be bounced off the puck too easily. Let our D play D. Weber can shoot, so can Diaz, even Spacek can shoot (too bad he leads the league in blocked shots against!)
    Our PP is losing games for us on a consistent basis. With a boomer from the point like Souray, someone standing in front-Cole, and Pleks/Cammy/Gionta on half wall we would have a much different record right now.

  9. PureGuava says:

    The last three games have been practically unwatchable. Aren’t overtimes, and shootouts supposed to make things more exciting? I can’t watch and keep supporting a team that continues to send out Scott Gomez for shifts that the young, and more reasonably priced men on this team deserve.

    I’ll admit it, I am an Eller fanboy.

    Some thoughts?
    Why does he get no pp time? why does he get no wingers? As far as I can tell Eller’s a better player than Gomer or DD, so why is he playing less? Is it because he isn’t making 8 million dollars, or because he isn’t undrafted and french?

    …i know some of you gasped at that last part, but take away Max Pac from DD, and you’ll just have a 5’7 nice story.

    “Of course I’m crazy, but that doesn’t mean I’m wrong.”
    – Robert Anton Wilson

  10. lukas-joshua says:

    Gomez is on pace for 9 points

  11. habsnyc says:

    I thought this was a great game. The team has eight regulars out of the lineup and can still make the playoffs.

    I really don’t care if the team wins or loses. 75% of the players in this line-up will not be with this team when it contends. Most of them are not good enough or young enough to lead this team deep into the playoffs. The ones that matter like Pax and Price played great. I don’t waste any mental energy on how anyone over age 30 performs. They are not relevent to the bigger picture.

    All I need is for the organization to be committed to winning before Price leaves as a free agent.

    Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

    • lukas-joshua says:

      When we get our guys back, this is a good team.

      • habsnyc says:

        good as in average. yes. even above average. but other than price, pax, suban and perhaps gorges and eller, this team doesn’t have much of a core of young players who will improve over the next three seasons. get a few more young impact players on this team and it could be great.

        Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

  12. crazyhabsfan says:

    With Kostitsyn, Cammalleri, White, Gill, Markov and Campoli out, and then Enqvist and Spacek getting hurt last night, I think they played pretty damn good last night.. Of course, yes, they got tired and it showed.
    If they could get healthy, I think they’ll be good to go.
    Markov (PP QB)
    Gill (as much as he can be a hindrance, is our SH man)
    Cammy, AK (Shootout guys)
    Whitey (toughness/grit)
    Spacek (has been the best defenceman this year, believe it our not…lol)

    They will be fine, wait out.

  13. habitual says:

    So, even the level headed Ian Cobb is clamoring for Martin’s head this morning.

    I am neutral on Martin, and am certainly not going to rationalize his poor communication skills with players.

    But, perspective, people.

    Counting Spatch going down 1/2 way thorough the game, we had 4 D out counting Marky, Gill, and Campoli. How does the D look with them in the line up?

    Forwards: Cammy and AK out, and while Gomez has been a huge disappointment he is hurt.

    So, 6 + starters out of the line up and what are we? 1 point out of 8th place and 4 points out of 6th.

  14. sane hockey fan says:

    Anyone who truly believes that Martin actually tells the guys “Ok sit back, hold on to the lead” has NEVER played any kind of competitive hockey. Period. JM has plenty of faults trust me I’m not a fan of his but to say that he actually tells his players to sit back and let the team come at them is way off base and very uninformed.

    There are two teams on the ice don’t forget and I find a lot of people seem to think that the outcome of the game hinges simply on how the habs play, and the other teams play rarely gets mentioned. Buffalo completely changed the way the played and really upped their intensity in the 3rd. The Canadiens had a hard time matching it and Buff capitalized on two mistakes.

    You know at some point the players have to go out there and execute. I find this year, wayyy more than in years past, the coach gets all the blame and the players get a pass. Look at the PP, they play it the exact same way they did in the past two years. Their breakout looks the same, their setup looks the same, yet they are struggling… Why? Probably a few reasons but at the end of the day the guys on the ice are up a man and gotta execute a play and score.

    I’m not trying to defend everything JM does, but I find the criticism towards him has taken on a life of its own and left reality at the door.

    • J_P says:

      Well if his players are sitting back and trying to hold onto a two goal lead, even if he isnt telling them to do that, who’s fault is it if they are doing it game in and game out? The coach. The coach is the guy who has to take the collection of players and turn them into a team. The guy who has to motivate them when they are down, and teach them when they make mistakes. All JM does is write on his stupid notepad.

      • sane hockey fan says:

        ” Well if his players are sitting back and trying to hold onto a two goal lead, even if he isnt telling them to do that, who’s fault is it if they are doing it game in and game out?”

        THE PLAYERS!!! for christ sakes, they are the ones on the ice…you make it seem like hockey is 99% coaching and 1% actually going on the ice and playing.

        • J_P says:

          Ok, when one or two players have issues you dont blame the coach. When the ENTIRE team is doing something wrong, there’s only one place to look. If he’s telling them to push, and they’re trying to defend, than clearly his players dont listen to him, so might as well just get rid of him. The coach’s job is to implement a system and get the players to buy in. Either JM’s system is bad, or the players dont listen to him. Either way, all signs point to him not being the coach for this team.

    • LA Loyalist says:

      You are just so wrong.

      Playing with a 2 goal lead in the 3rd is a big advantage to the team with the lead. Put the puck up the wall – hard. Make short passes, don’t throw it in front of your own net. One man fore check, clog up the neutral zone. Cover your man, challenge the other guy with the puck. It’s like a PK only you have 5 guys to do it.

      Crap, we teach this to 8 year olds. But no, JM has to be a genius and make it so complicated that no one can execute it, especially with our injuries.

      I’ve said it before and last night proved it, on a night when Sabres were there for the taking. Count Chocula is a 3rd rate football defensive coach who plays the prevent defence, which never works, the players can’t execute whatever “le system” is and get so stressed they can’t relax and play hockey like they’ve been doing since they were six.

      A loser point at home, blowing a 2 goal lead that we can’t hold for 20 minutes.

      Pathetic. I want JM’s head on a stick. Today. Come on Molsons! Unzip and show us something.

      • punkster says:

        The world will be a better place when the league starts signing 8 year old players.

        ***Subbang Baby!!!***

        • LA Loyalist says:

          Actually my 8 year old had to play 2 games (for two different teams) on Saturday but due to an overlap in schedule he could only play the first period of the first game (scored a pair) then we had to go. So another dad texted his coach that they had to sweeten his contract to get him to play 3 whole periods. It was kind of funny (maybe you had to be there).

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      Since this sitting back is a tired refrain, the coach has to bear responsibility. Somebody has to lead the parade, and that’s his job.

  15. habfanacrossthed says:

    JM is a goof. We all know what he did wrong. Too bad PG doesn’t have the stones to replace him. Sure the team played with heart. Eller 11 minutes of ice time, Pleks who is hurt gets all this time, as does Gio and Gomez. What a joke. Lets just tank and get him out of here. Carey Price deserves much better then being with a team that goes hard for 40 minutes and ice the puck the last 20.

    GHOD – Go Habs Or Die

    • TOP DAWG says:

      That my friend is why CP will bolt when he is an UFA.

      “If you’re not the TOP DAWG, the view never changes”

      • LA Loyalist says:

        You know, I am afraid you may be right. I’m thinking Vancouver, they will dump the over-rated Luongo and we will be sitting here going “WTF happened?” hitting 2,000 posts.

        Yeah they get paid a lot, but guys have been playing for championships since they were 6 and they want a Stanley Cup, and when it’s contract time they want to see that mgmt is committed to winning, not just committed to selling beer.

        Price didn’t grow up dreaming of playing for Habs like Sidney Crosby (sorry to lift that rock). You think Vancouver wouldn’t take Price over Luongo? In a freaking heartbeat.

        What an awful scenario.

  16. Jordio-oh says:

    – Plekanec needs to get off the point on the power play. His shot is more accurate than most, but he never keeps the puck in the zone and looks uncomfortable on top
    – Subban needs to hit the net more often than he does. It’s so frustrating to watch him wind up forever and then shoot it wide
    – teams now know Weber is our only weapon from the point and they’re pushing high on him and its rendering our pp useless
    – I get sick every time we have a lead and we play to protect it instead of expanding it. Playing not to lose is becoming out modus operandi and its patetic

    – oh and nice to see ManApart and his doom and gloom “I told you so” cronies on the message boards in full effect last night. What a joke

  17. Hard4Habs says:

    We’ve been hearing more and more habs fans and bloggers crying for more grit in the lineup. People saying that even without the injuries, the team is too small and gets pushed around. IMO, with a full lineup, sandpaper is the last thing we need. Don’t get me wrong, nothing would be more satisfying to me than to see a few goons wearing bleu-blanc-rouge jerseys breaking Lucic and Marchands big noses as redemption for all those games of bullying. The reality is tho, with a full lineup, Montreal can out skate any team in the league and become “untouchable”. With a healthy Markov, everyone on D is back on their comfort level ; playing within their means. Our transition game would be a lot quicker and effective and it should be our strongest aspect. Eliminating the effectiveness of the bigger teams fore-check, we wouldn’t be coughing the puck up. With a fast transition and by eliminating those turnovers in our own end, many odd man rushes are created which make for an easy break in of the O-zone to either get a scoring chance on the rush or just to set-up a convincing cycle. Plus no need to say that with Markov in the lineup, our powerplay can definitively improve (we’ve always been #1 in the league when he is healthy). A successful powerplay makes the opposition think twice before attempting anything reprehensible against us ; if they do, it’s to our advantage. On another note, our penalty kill is among the strongest in the league (maybe because we get to execute it so much) and for the first time, we are actually owning other teams on the 5-5, playing a puck possession game. Especially with the summer addition of Erik Cole, and it can only continue to perform when injured players like AK46 and Cammalleri are back. Plus, all those early season injuries might be a blessing. Now we know we have a lot more depth than other years and that is what a good team needs for a deep playoff run. Sure Diaz and Emelin aren’t nhl ready, DD and Eller won’t be constant all year, Moen might not even score again until the playoffs, but when injuries do happen again, we will be ready. With a healthy line up you get 4 good lines that can skate with any other top line in the league, stability on the back end, better special teams and most important: Habs hockey.

    Cammalleri-Plekanec-Gionta Markov-Emelin
    Cole – DD – Pacioretty Gorges-Subban
    Kostitsyn – Eller – Gomez Gill – Spacek
    Moen – Nikoleinen – Darche/White Campoli- Weber

    TL;DR : Early injuries prove we have more depth than other years and healthy lineup makes the need for bigger, grittier players irrelevant.

    • montreal ace says:

      Lots of great points in your post, and I also look forward to seeing the transition game when Markov comes back.

    • LA Loyalist says:

      We’ll be better with our full line up, of course. Will Markov back off some forecheck because of his passing, yes, all your points will help. And speed kills. But all great Habs teams have had balance and we need some toughness, especially since yesterday when Shanahan declared open season on goalies.

      My kid is 8 in an “officially” no-checking league. He got close-lined, boarded, checked and cross-checked in one game Sunday, drawing only 1 penalty. The other teams try to contain him. I tell him to get used to it. That’s human nature and it’s hockey and he has to get stronger and fight through it.

      You think because Habs are fast we’re not going to get pounded? We’re going to get hooked, slashed and held – which is fine if we have the PP to make them pay like we used to, certainly Markov will help that, too.

      I also notice you have Gionta and Gomer in your line up. I wouldn’t hold my breath on your dream team just yet.

      • montreal ace says:

        The Habs need more size or I need a bigger TV

      • Hard4Habs says:

        I think that Kostitsyn, Pacioretty, Cole, Moen, White, Subban, Emelin, Markov and Campoli are all big boys who can take care of the ugly stuff, and like Gorges or White have shown in the past, you don’t need to be over 6″ to watch a teammates back, having a tight locker-room is more than enough. Sure we don’t have anyone to deal with the Lucics and Charas but that is unnecessary IMO. I’d rather see us reply to a dirty play on the scoreboard than with our fists. If anything, the Laraque episode has shown us how useless a goon can be. Let’s face it, the only goons in the league that can play hockey aren’t going anywhere the Neils, Lucics and Otts of this world are a rare species now-a-days.

  18. sCOTT1243 says:

    Disappointing last night…why do they fold in the 3rd? brutal.

    Couple thoughts…Get Pleks OFF the PP. Enough already it aint working.
    Whats with all the shots form the point. Work it low, shots from the point are low percentage.
    Love PK, but man keep 2 hands on the stick, looks like a fisherman catching a bass some nights with that stick of his.
    Pulshaj playing well, fighting for the puck and at least throwing his body around. Take him over Darche anyday.
    I’ve alwas been a gomer fan, but look how little Eller did last night…mmm, wonder why. Time to give him up.
    Gionta, shape up or you’re next.

  19. JoeC says:

    Gio gets more time then Cole each and every game, guess thats cause hes producing more? Oh wait, must be because hes a PKer, hmmm, so lets get this straight, we use Gio and Gomez on the Pk, when Nok was brought in to win faceoffs and PK but gets less then 10 mins a game. Our problem is scoring yet our best forward every game for atleast 5 games only get icetime over moan/darch/Eller and whoever is on the 4th line.

    Im not a gm or coach, but i dont get it, we want to win but we dont play our best players the most?

    Is it cause Cole actually forchecks and hits, which we know is a negative in the “system”

  20. HabinBurlington says:

    So just a few weeks back I was commenting on how I thought Geoff Molson should be given until the end of this year before passing judgement. I still feel that way in principle, however, something needs to give.

    While the Depearning of Pearn provided a temporary change in our style of play that cause and effect is no longer working.

    Does PG have the stones to do something regarding JM? One of the problems with a GM like PG is he does not have the ability to be a stopgap coach if indeed he were to fire JM and have to wait until the end of the season. Why? Because to the best of my knowledge he has never played or coached at anything close to the NHL level.

    Eventually all excuses like injuries, it’s early in the season, we are only a few points out just can’t cut it.

    While I was hopeful through the offseason this team would pick up a rugged 4th line centreman or forward and a rugged Dman, I still thought this roster on paper looked very talented. I still think the roster is talented, but is the mix right? Are the players talents being utilized? I don’t think so.

    Yes it may be early, but there are many reasons to be concerned. My fear isn’t that PG doesn’t have the stones to fire JM now, my fear is PG doesn’t have the stones to make any changes of significance period.

    Don’t know, just very frustrated at this point. But kicking screaming yelling, can’t see it helping. Perhaps this weekend during the Summit we can Occupy PG’s office. I am planning on slipping away from the group during the Bell Centre Tour and am going to find PG. If not I at least am going to find JM’s notepad and write in some suggestions.

    Okay I won’t do anything, but what can we do?

    • shiram says:

      Frustration is the key word, with the constant injuries, the boring style of play, the confusing coaching decision and the lack of result, well yea, it’s frustrating.
      I get the feeling that I would not take much to improve this team, and I saw some encouraging signs recently, but the overall results is just not good.

      Randy for HC!

    • ed lopaz says:

      I share your frustration.

      Unless there is a total collapse, there will not be a coaching change – I’m afraid.

      I argued that bringing in Gauthier and Martin was not a good move from day one.

      2 simple reasons which I have posted here a few times (too many).

      1) between the 2 of them they have not won a thing at the NHL level – and I believe in hiring winners

      2) they are both so old school, so boring, so dull, so arrogant, and so full of sht that I can not stand either man – so it makes it kind of tough to cheer for their success. 🙂

      now that Muller is gone, there is NO ONE behind the bench with any Stanley Cups, and no one behind the bench with any connection to the Habs Cups.

      who knows?

      Maybe if Price can get sizzling hot he can steal a playoff position for us and then knock off the best teams in the East on our way to a Eastern Conference Championship.

      Every game I watch Price – and he looked damn confident in the 1st 2 periods last night.

      He was like a 6th skater last night – handling the puck way better than Gill ever has – except for that rush Gill had a few games back which kind of came out of left field – did it not?

      I believe, for this season, Price is our only hope.

      And Cole – !! – teaching Max on every shift.

      That also keeps me watching the games.

      Cole and Max are great together – with my man the DD the Dwarf – setting the table..of course.

  21. WindsorHab-10 says:

    Anyone else thinks that Milan Lucic is a marked man & will get what he deserves soon?

    “Hate Bruins like a sickness”

  22. Old Bald Bird says:

    When people get upset about the game, I think it’s more of getting tired of the same old song — Assume the Fall Back Position. I think we understand that the guys are doing fairly well considering the injuries. Sometimes, it’s how you lose that gnaws away at you. The third period was pretty doggone predictable.

    There’s also the matter of who plays most and who rides the pine most, which we go round and round with. Eller has gotten a few penalties lately, so I guess he’s getting some good old negative reinforcement.

  23. WindsorHab-10 says:

    Red Fisher praising Enroth is a joke. He should be praising JM’s system in the 3rd period that gave up 10 shots against & managed only 4 with ZERO scoring chances.

    “Hate Bruins like a sickness”

  24. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    I know there is negativity surrounded this loss, but if you’re looking for a silver lining, I think the D was pretty heroic. No Markov, Gill or Campoli, then another vet goes down early and you’re down to 5 dmen, with very little experience, playing against a pretty dynamic offence.

    Pleks is definitely not 100%, Cammy hurt, AK hurt, Spatches, Markov, Campoli, Gionta was playing hurt, Ryan White…

    Is it simply bad luck? Or is there something else? Style of play? Strategy of play?

    • joshua94k says:

      The camera shot of the night was when the RDS camera focused on PK Subban at the end of overtime. After playing 27:37, he was clearly out of breath and spent, gasping for air. What a warrior.

      “I just go out and do the job,” “If I get two minutes, I’ll play two; if I get 20, I’ll play 20. If they want me to fill the water bottles, I’ll fill the water bottles.” – P.K. Subban

  25. cuzzie says:

    What’s wrong with Gio?

    Stay Thirsty My Friends!

  26. habs001 says:

    I think we are putting too much hope on Markov..i remember after he came back after one of his injuries and had a couple of really good games ..i believe his first game back on the island he made the pp look really good..but then he hit the wall for a good stretch where he was constantly pinching at the wrong time and giving up turnovers..the odds are Markov will need a good 25 games to get back. if even possible to his previous levels..

    • habs03 says:

      Very true, clearly remember the bad pinches, but we can deal with the rust on 5 on 5 play, but the key is him on the PP, its killing us, I’ve counted 3 games we could have won if it wasn’t for our horrible PK, game 1 vs the Leafs, games vs FLA and the Oilers. That could have had a record at 10-4-3 instead of 7-7-3.

      • habs001 says:

        true..when we had a poor 5-5 team but our pk and pp worked we produced points in the nineties…now our 5-5 is better so if we could get our pp to work we would be a dangerous team…

  27. shiram says:

    Glass half empty, or half full, last night was a frustrating loss, a game they should have won, a game marred by injury and mostly boring hockey.
    Why does Eller get 11 minutes, no special team time at all? The PK was doing well with him, what changed? Especially considering the nearly 25 minutes Plekanec played.

    Randy for HC!

  28. Higman says:

    This morning, as I was perousing through the post game articles, I suddenly realized how much I miss Arpon Bason. Oct 28th he announced he was moving to NHL.com, but I haven’t seen anything written by him since. Has anyone else? I may have missed or overlooked it, since I don’t spend a lot of time surfing or browsing the net or NHL.com. If you have a link to any insight he may have provided about our struggling Habs, please post it here. I’d love to hear something fresh.

  29. eric says:

    Habs had ONE third period shot on goal at even strength

    • JoeC says:

      But JM said it was cause of our young defence, ya thats it.

      JM needs to go

      • Chuck says:

        He didn’t specifically blame the defence, what he said was that Buffalo was able to target and pressure our inexperience on D.

        It’s difficult to generate any offense if your defence is unable to effectively move the puck out of your zone. They forechecked and put the guys under pressure, effectively neutralizing our transition game.

        • JoeC says:

          Really? that third period the maSTERMIND JM started his normal 1-0-4 system to try and defend the lead, and he basically blamed the D even though everyone was back the whole period. Like always JM throws the kids under the bus even though everyone was back and NO ONE could clear the zone

          JM is a terrible coach

          • Chuck says:

            What he did was acknowledge that Buffalo targeted a weakness with our lineup after Spatch went down… specifically, the inexperience of the remaining guys. He didn’t throw them under the bus and blame them for the loss.

          • JoeC says:

            That how JM blames players, thats as close as it comes, and he did it.

            You really cant see it?

          • punkster says:

            Seeing something that is evident or misinterpreting and reading something into his statements?

            ***Subbang Baby!!!***

  30. J_P says:

    My Observations from last nights game

    ….Eric Cole, once again the best player on the ice.

    ….Max Paccioretty is on pace for 38 goals and 68 points. Even if he gets 30 goals that’s a heck of a great story.

    ….David Desharnais is playing great, but he really needs to focus on his shot. Its too predictable that he’s going to pass.

    ….What the heck is up with Brian Gionta? This guy can’t seemingly do anything right these days, and we desperately need him to provide us secondary scoring.

    ….The only thing Mathieu Darche does well this season is backcheck. I don’t know what’s up with him, but Im starting to question if he even deserves to be in the NHL anymore, nevermind getting prime powerplay minutes.

    ….Its easy to blame the fact that we were missing Cammy and Kostitsyn (lets forget about Markov who hasnt played for two years, and campoli who never made it out of training camp), but once again, complete lack of killer instinct from this squad. They had a very fragile buffalo team on the ropes, but they once again took their foot off the accelerator and handed buffalo all the momentum.

    ….Pk subban is starting to remind me of MAB on the powerplay. Ridiculous wind up, and can’t adjust once his shooting lane has been blocked. Kind of ridiculous that he shoots anyways once the opposing player rushes him to block his shooting lane. Our entire powerplay is abysmal, and frankly that comes down to coaching and practice in my opinion.

    At least we got a point, but three straight games going the distance is getting a little ridiculous. When its Nashville and Phoenix (who play in the west) its no big deal if they get the loser point, but we cant be handing points to conference and division rivals like we did last night.

  31. habs001 says:

    We have the pk back on track but without the pp it will be hard to go much above 500. We have had posters posting statistical analysis recently stating the habs are much better than their record indicates. So i am wondering why their goals for have not been even in the top 20 in the nhl for over 180 regular season games..

    • Ian Cobb says:


    • J_P says:

      The habs just have serious trouble with finishing. Darche misses golden opportunity time and time again, and he gets time on the PP on top of it! Gionta tends to take a lot of bad shots and shoots right at the goalie. Cammy hits so many posts he’s starting to remind me of kovalev (although you can clearly see that cammy is just extremely frustrated and gripping the stick too tight).

      I just think a huge chunk of the team is lacking in confidence and killer instict.

  32. Habitoban says:

    Given that we are in so many close games, I have to assume that (1) we have a well developed scouting report on each team’s shootout tendencies, and that (2) we test our goalies on those tendencies, and that (3) we regularly practice our own shootout moves. Of course we do!!

  33. punkster says:

    A couple of posters mentioned between the second and third periods that Ruff would have his troops pumped for a comeback. They were right.

    Habs still haven’t figured out their PP. They’re pretty good at 5 on 5 and on the PK as long as the kids don’t cough up a hunk of rubber here and there.

    The D. Gill and Spacek were sorely missed last night. Any time a key D man is out and the backfield is manned by kids there will be issues. On the bright side, kids learn from their mistakes. They’ll get better as the season goes on.

    JM is the coach. He’ll be the coach here for another season after this one. It is what it is. Still he has managed to keep them in the hunt despite all the injuries and kids in the line up.

    6-3-1 in the past 10 and we have a cacophony of complaints and calls for the heads of those responsible? Right then.

    And finally, Guy the Great loses to the Jets. How does a coach keep keep losing with that talented roster and still keep his job?

    ***Subbang Baby!!!***

    • Chuck says:

      It was funny at the beginning of the season (and even at the end of last one) with all of the calls here on HI/O to ship out Hamrlik, Spacek, Gill, and even Markov in favour of letting all of the kids play to gain experience.

      Now many of those same posters are complaining about the inadequacy of our D corps. Well, guess what? You can’t teach experience.

      As for the coach, he’s dealing with a lineup that’s been turned into Swiss Cheese (no offence to Diaz). It’s easy to second-guess his decisions, but we’d do that with any coach, wouldn’t we? It would be easy to load-up the top two lines, but then you’ve also got to be competitive when your 3rd and 4th lines are on the ice, too. It’s like robbing Peter to pay Paul, and it’s extremely difficult to get the balance just right.

      6-3-1 in our last 10. Yeah, the three-point swing vs. Buffalo sucks, but we also gained on the final playoff spot. If they could go 6-3-1 for every set of 10 games for the rest of the season, we’d be dancing in the streets.

  34. smiler2729 says:

    Shootouts are stupid…. might as well flip a freakin’ coin.

    “Geez, I sure wish we were WICKED AWESOME like the Broons and their chowdahhead fans and their backwards baseball caps” <– sarcasm for those who don't sense it

  35. The Pickle says:

    If you want to piss off your star goalie there’s no better way than to yank him before the shoostout. The guy plays 65 minutes and then you remove the fate of the game from his hands? Edmonton did this a few years ago, and the goalie who had played that whole game went ballistic.

    • habs03 says:

      lol, ya I remember, but wasn’t it Garon they put in nets, he was like 13-0 in shootouts that year or something.

      Also I think Price was pissed at himself for the shootout, he is usually really good on shootout but this year he has been 0-4.

    • Tony McLean says:

      How many saves in the shootout?
      Newsy, Hainsworth, Mantha, Cleghorn, Toe, Bouchard, Rocket, Harvey, Beliveau, Pocket, Cournoyer, Gainey, Carbo, Damphousse.

  36. habs03 says:

    So we started 1-5, one of the worst PP in the league for now until Markov is back. But were one point behind Tampa and their legendary coach Guy Boucher… A loss is a loss, move on, its a long season, and like it or not, the team is heading in the right direction, 6-3-1 in the last 10.

  37. JoeC says:

    Anyone else like me wish we got to see more of Emelin and less of Diaz? Untile Weber is gone or hurt, Diaz needs to be in hamilton./


    I wanna never see JM behind the bench of the habs ever again

    • vince8_31 says:

      diaz is better then emelin

      • Old Bald Bird says:

        Diaz may be better at some things, but they’re different kinds of players. Emelin brings something different. Something that we otherwise seem to lack.

        • TommyB says:

          I saw what Emelin brings when Gaustad, I think it was, smashed him in the face with his stick. Tough guy that Emelin.

          • Old Bald Bird says:

            He definitely needs to work on building up his facial muscles.

          • Tony McLean says:

            Yeah Scott Stevens was a wimp for getting that career ending concussion too.
            Newsy, Hainsworth, Mantha, Cleghorn, Toe, Bouchard, Rocket, Harvey, Beliveau, Pocket, Cournoyer, Gainey, Carbo, Damphousse.

          • wall2bay says:

            Emelin is 3rd on the team in hits……that’s 3 times more than Diaz in half the games! He might not be able to take a cross check to the face but the guy can hit on a team that is considered “soft”.

            “I kind of feel sorry for players who never got a chance to be a Montreal Canadien” – Cammalleri

          • 24moreCups says:

            Emelin wasn’t brought here to fight or beat someone up when they cross check him in the face.

            He plays a solid stay at home defensive game, he likes to throw clean hits and he’s something our defense is lacking.
            We already have a player like Diaz and that’s Weber, the more Emelin plays the better he’ll get and he’s a lot tougher then Diaz.

      • JoeC says:

        Diaz is like Weber , offensive D man who are small and get pushed off the puck easy. The problem is we dont score enough, and having 2 of them is not working AND we lack anyone that can clear the net for Price other then Emelinm, which he did numerious times last night.

        Diaz will be a good player, just how many D do we want to get pushed around all game long>?

        And i dont agree that Diaz is better then Emelin, hes had a terrible last 5 games atleast with numerious mistakes that seem not to make JM infamous notepad of doom

        • habs03 says:

          IMO Emelin just needs time to adjust and learn how to play positional defence, if you want to win games you can’t be playing him over Daiz, we all know that our team system is based on positioning and blocking shots, so when Emelin learns and adjust to being better positional and he will because you see the raw talent, Daiz is more ready.

          • JoeC says:

            Diaz waS given his icetime on a platter, Emelin has such a short leash he will NEVER develop if not given the chance, unlike Diaz who can do as many mistakes as he wants and still get a pass though

          • 24moreCups says:


        • Tony McLean says:

          You can’t have a d with Gorges, Spacek, Weber and Diaz that’s a playoff miss waiting to happen.
          Memorable Captains:
          Newsy, Hainsworth, Mantha, Cleghorn, Toe, Bouchard, Rocket, Harvey, Beliveau, Pocket, Cournoyer, Gainey, Carbo, Damphousse.

      • wall2bay says:

        If you took the numbers and names off the back……I wouldn’t be able to tell the difference between Diaz and Weber cuz they have a similar skill set, same build and play the same way.

        Emelin on the other hand is a different player that HITS people and you need a guy like that to complement a Diaz/Weber.

        “I kind of feel sorry for players who never got a chance to be a Montreal Canadien” – Cammalleri

    • habs03 says:

      Emelin still needs to learn how to play positional hockey, like it or not, he isn’t ready to handle big minutes. On the 2nd goal he played the puck instead of the man. While Diaz is top 20 in blocked shots with 37 blocked shots.

      • vince8_31 says:

        exactly habs03.

        just because emelin throws a few hits now and then doesn’t mean we bench diaz, who is growing on the team more and more. I know its something new and exciting when a player on the habs throws his weight around but, he’s not ready.

      • Hab-Q says:

        If it’s possible I’d like to see Emelin log some serious minutes in Hamilton to speed up his development

        “I went to a fight the other night and a hockey game broke out”

        ~Rodney Dangerfield

    • Duke_Rauol says:

      I agree, i think Emelin is a smooth skater and makes good passes. dont understand why he has been the odd man out all year.

      We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold……

      • JoeC says:

        Its easier for JM to punish a russian then anyone else! And anyone that doesnt agree ask AK how he gets treated when Gomez sucks

        • punkster says:

          Absurd statement.

          ***Subbang Baby!!!***

          • G-Man says:

            How dare you attack such a well thought out and executed post?

          • JoeC says:

            Really, look how hes treated over how Gomez as an example. Over the last 3 years JM’s had AK in his doghouse so many times, but i have yet to see even once Gomez. Gomez hasnt scored in almosat a year but he keeps getting PP time and AK never does. Thats 1 example over the last few years but there are numerious.

      • Tony McLean says:

        Just the latest JM whipping boy. Remember how Cole was treated at the start of the season. And PK last year. The Three Stooges GaineyGauthierMartin love Smurfs (Gorges, Diaz, Weber, Palushaj, et al). Not a single fighter capable of dealing with the likes of Luchicken or Naustad. At least Emmy is a fine passer and fairly physical. I want more.
        Newsy, Hainsworth, Mantha, Cleghorn, Toe, Bouchard, Rocket, Harvey, Beliveau, Pocket, Cournoyer, Gainey, Carbo, Damphousse.

    • montrealtilldeath says:

      Totally agree with JoesC comments. JM (Alfred E. Newman) and his little book must go. Went to bed pissed and woke up in the same frame of mind. The game plan of this coach is insane. You know Buffalo has to get a goal early in the 3rd, You know you are going to see Derek Roy, Pomanville, Vanek right out the gate. Lindy Ruff knows JM will have Diaz out there and they jump on him like T Rex on the staked out goat in Jurassic Park. Put out an equivilant D to match i.e. PK and Gorges. As for the powerplay that nutless configuration with Plekanec on the point. Just watching it makes me ill. When we killed the 4 on 3 in OT and were so fired up we forced a 4 on 3 for us I told my son just watch JM throw Plekanec out there first again trying to prove he is right. Again they screw up sucking the energy out of the team. It just isn’t that they do not score on the PP but failing to score gives the mo back to the opposition. No wonder Price was so angry. He can see all this BS more clearly than any one. He deserved the win. As for JM in the post game commentary. “You know mistakes by young players cost us”. B$%^s#$t. Joe I hate to see the Habs lose any time but when they had that big run 2 years ago I had a lot of regrets at them winning because I knew it would keep JM behind the bench. I hate to say this again but maybe a protracted losing streak is the only way to get rid of him as we will NEVER win with him. Emelin clearly has more potential than Diaz or Weber. You can see the diamond in the stone. Hard hitter. Look at how he played Gaustad. Roy schooled him a bit but Roy is a very high quality forward. Emelin will learn. Spacek will likely be gone next year if the Habs management is smart. Of course Gauthier has to go to as he and JM are buds.

  38. HabsFansince49 says:

    Here are 7 positives about last night’s game:
    (1) We got 1 point
    (2) Gomez is playing the best hockey of his career
    (3) Pleks is clearly well-suited on the PP point
    (4) Smart move by THE COACH to limit Eller to 11 minutes
    (5) Were it not for the officiating, we would have won
    (6) Once we were ahead, good idea to eliminate assertive fore-checking
    (7) Gionta was an excellent choice in shoot out; he’s our top goal scorer

    • JoeC says:

      !! Get off our site JM, i knew it!! you coach the game just to spite all us fans!

      Ban HabsFansince49 its JM in disguise!

    • Curtis O Habs says:

      (8) Subban continues to get his ‘big slapper’ on net.

    • awkif says:

      Sorry “HabsFanSince49″… I’m not sure you watched the game AT ALL…

      2) He’s not playing the best hockey of his career. He had a career year in NJ when he won a cup. He’s showing his speed more because he’s playing on the wing, but he still heads for the corner instead of the front of the net. Still no production.

      3) Pleks is a FAILED EXPERIMENT at the point. It’s not his fault… he just doesn’t have those skills. He can’t keep the puck in when it’s fired around the boards, he can’t toe the blue line like Subban or Weber, and he defintiely can’t defend when there’s a 1 on 1. Not to mention he has an average slapshot with no real speed. Playing him on the point means Darche gets PP minutes that should go to Subban or Diaz on the point…

      4) How it makes sense to lose a centerman, and then bench a different centermen is beyond me. All of his minutes went to Gomez. That clearly worked well.

      5) We had more PPs then them. I thought they reffed a pretty solid game.

      6) Sitting back was just an awful idea. Clearly. Thank GOD for Price and a good penalty kill.

      7) Gionta isn’t close to the leading scorer… Not to mention his shots are about getting open and burying empty net goals, or quick rushes up the ice. Shootout is NOT his thing. Why not PK? Why not DD? These guys have hands…

      But I agree with one thing… it was a good point to earn.

  39. joshua94k says:

    The Canadiens have an inept coach who is very predictable to coach against.

    They lack size and toughness.

    They don’t have any snipers.

    On most nights they are playing with four defensemen who have less than two years NHL experience.

    Their top sniper has missed almost half the games.

    Their best defenseman hasn’t played a game for a year.

    By mid november, this team is only 6 points from the top of the Eastern Standings.

    Name another team in the playoffs that was forced to play an elimination game without three of their top six defencemen at their disposal. Without James Wisniewski, without Josh Gorges, without Andrei Markov…These are your Canadiens; a team of warriors. – Eric Engels CTV

    • Habitall says:

      Camilleri is a bone fide sniper, who would be a 35-40 goal scorer on most balanced teams in this league. He’s not just our best sniper, but a pure goal scorer.

      Otherwise your points are all valid.

    • Tony McLean says:

      Cammer and MaxPac are snipers, Max is on pace for 39 goals. They’re not a team of warriors, they’re Smurfs who are prey for goons like Gaustad and Luchicken and FrankenChara. We didn’t even get out of the first round. Time was we contended for the cup every year and won it every second year. Now it’s no cup since 1993 and no dynasty since 1979. And this is acceptable???

      Newsy, Hainsworth, Mantha, Cleghorn, Toe, Bouchard, Rocket, Harvey, Beliveau, Pocket, Cournoyer, Gainey, Carbo, Damphousse.

  40. Lawrencetown Liquor Pigs says:

    Theory on Cammi, who has had 2 or so years of injury. Does he work out too much? Seems pretty well documented that he is a fitness and health freak, maybe if he slowed down the off ice training he might show up on the ice more often?

    *Full Disclosure*
    I’m 6’6″, 350#’s, definitely not a personal trainer with any knowledge of fitness in relation to hockey other than to ensure I have the energy to open a beer when I get off the ice.

    They lost me 2 quarts of rum, better make it up next year with a cup!

  41. Ian Cobb says:

    Our players including Price and our kids, played a very good 2 periods most times when they were let on the ice.

    After burning out Plekanic in the first two periods, Martin continued to give him heavy minutes in the third and overtime. Even put him first in the shootout.
    While fresh legs just looked on like potted plants from the bench.
    This coach has a serious mental health issue.

    The game has changed with speed, new rules, cap, and much more. It has passed Martin by a very long time ago.

  42. Bash says:

    With a full lineup we may be competitive but we will still lack toughness and our D will remain suspect.

    Last night with a patched together roster we could have beaten a good Buffalo club.

    A lousy third period was more about Buffalo playing to potential.

    “If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.” (anon)

  43. slamtherimtim says:

    A win that slipped away , nice headline

    how long before we switch ( win ) with ( season )

    i would rather see Galleger grow than that smuck Gomez , now his excuse is he is injured , so does that mean he just sucked before,

    • Ian Cobb says:

      Galleger is a bit young yet, but please do not let Martin even close to this kid. He is going to be a great player for us unless Martin destroys him also.

  44. Duke_Rauol says:

    Dominate for 2 periods, then sit back and try to defend! how many times have we seen this happen under JM! Good on Cole for speaking up about it, but i doubt it will have any effect on JM changing his style.

    If Gomez is still hurt why is he playing? i know he never goes to the dirty areas, but last night he was scared to death of everything and everybody! IMHO he is a player who does not love the game, he is a employee picking up a pay check! Let him ride the bus in Hamilton and make his millions, i dont think he would care.

    We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold……

    • AllHailTheFlower says:

      I had the same impression – Gomez plays like someone who is afraid to get hit, plain and simple.

    • TommyB says:

      It was good to see someone from the media question JM on this. Of course, he denied that that was his game plan, and said the best defense is a good offence. He had to say something else, right? I mean, he couldn’t say (again) “they wanted it more”, cuz Subban already said that. He can’t use the old “special teams were the difference”, because I think all the reporters would have thrown up on him. So, JM had to get a little creative with his post-game remarks.

      If Cole did question it as well, as you say he did, then I expect Cole to see a little less ice time next game. Maybe drop to the third line again, until he redeems himself in JM’s mind. All sinners, repent!

  45. TommyB says:

    Lots of talk about the shootout, and some going so far as to suggest switching goalies at that point. Well, the score is 2-2, your goaltender played very well and you would not use him in the shootout? You would take the cold guy off the bench and insert him?

    The key to the shootout (which is the worst gimmick the NHL has ever come up with), is the shooters. You notice the shootout goals on the highlights most nights, and you see the fancy danglers doing their thing. But in Montreal, the shooters are: Pleks, who just does not feel comfortable in that role, and two net-driving power forwards. Why not Desharnais? Why not Subban? Why not Diaz? In other words, why not use the young kids who grew up with this stupid gimmick. Oh, wait, I see. They are too young, and cannot be relied on. Sorry JM, my bad.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Agree Tommy, in the shootout the team shooting first must score to get momentum in this stupid Showdown contest. While most people love Plex, he is not a great shootout specialist. You need to have someone leadoff with a high probability to score. By not scoring first this relieves all pressure on the opposing shooter and puts our goalie behind the 8 ball. I am not sure what JM’s magic 8 ball (notepad) is telling him going into shootouts but I don’t like it.

    • Tharsis says:

      Totally agree, the SO should go to players with a little razzle dazzle, the players that like to do a little showboating.

      Pleks is great but he is not that player. It is another example of JM trying to force a square peg into a round hole.


      Fate leads the willing, and drags along the reluctant.

      • TommyB says:

        You know, when you play a system that has a high possibility that you will be in overtime, followed by the shootout, maybe you should give more thought to that aspect of the game if you are a coach. Practice the shootout at the end of practice. Get a handle on who has the pizzazz, and who doesn’t. It’s also a good way to end the practice with a bit of levity, and good-natured competition.

  46. G-Man says:

    Many “glass is half-empty” posts today. Same old sh*t after a loss.
    Fact is that many games are decided by 1 goal. Missing AK and Cammy last night gave JM 2 less shooters and 2 more pluggers to fill the gap. Going 6-2-1 in the last 9 is obviously nowhere near good enough for the crowd that expects 82-0. Detroit has lost 5 in a row recently, too and the team coached by God Himself is 8-7-2 with that stellar line-up (St.Louis, Lecavalier, Stamkos, Malone, Hedman and, of course, the incomparable MAB).
    Whining every day about JM is old. By now, we all know who doesn’t like the coach and that’s pretty much everyone excepting me. With a depleted line-up, JM keeps the Habs competitive. Frankly, all the posters crying out for an up-tempo game can keep crying: no coach in the NHL with any success forgets defence first.

    • AllHailTheFlower says:

      Sorry, but in a game where a player like Eller, who goes into the “dirty areas” and fights for the puck every shift sees only 11:00 minutes of ice time, while a player like Gomez, who looks like he’s playing scared every shift gets 18:00 minutes of ice time, then I think the “whining” about JM is justified.

  47. Neutral says:

    Hey come on – we’re 1-point out of a playoff spot – what’s all the complaining about – most nights this team plays with a half healthy team – give them the credit they deserve. were not for continous injuries to key players – we’d probably be in 1st place.

  48. RJ says:

    Did we ALL not know that the Habs would go into “ROPE-A-DOPE” mode when they went up 2-0? This is The JM way. Get a lead and sit back. It has been the same story for three years. Has this team EVER gotten a lead and buried the opponent? All our games are one goal games — never 4-1, 5-2. Look at the results over the last few years and tell me this is not the game plan.

    “My face is my mask,” Gump Worsley

  49. MilaKunis says:

    My proposed healthy lineup:

    Extra: Palushaj

    7th D: Spacek

    1st unit: Cole-Desharnais-Paciorety

    2nd unit: Cammeleri-Plekanic-Gionta

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Problem with that is we don’t have a healthy lineup, nor do I forsee the day we do unfortunately, and you forgot the Cannoli! And Ryan White.

      • 123456 says:

        no one ever talks about white, i think he will really solidify the lineup when he returns.

        oh and i do not like those lines above – swap out DD and eller. for those of you who have not noticed eller is NOT a top 6 forward.

      • 24moreCups says:

        Ryan White is one of the players I was most excited to see play a full season with the Habs, I think he can add a lot to our team.

  50. avatar_58 says:

    It’s funny Gomez didn’t look *that* bad, but Gionta? What are we paying this guy for? He can’t even take a light pass these days.

    • Habfan4lfe says:

      Gomez caused a goal because he was too lazy to come back, what are you talking about? Gionta, ya, he’s been struggling lately, hopefully he turns it around.

    • Habfan29 says:

      Gomez was terrible once again playing the perimeter and standing around on the second goal just watching Roy. There is no upside to Gomez at all.

      Once again we were out coached, the shootout players should have been
      1. Cole
      2. Max pac
      3. DD

      they were the best line all night and figured in all of the scoring, it is a not brainer, but wait Count Chocula put pleks and Gionta, stupid. To continue my rant, when is JM going to wise up and realize that pleks cannot play the point on the PP, he is not Lafleur, it is an adventure every time he is out there and he does not look comfortable. JM needs to go and we also need a Goalie coach that actually played the game at the NHL level…. Hello all players in the shutout are going blocker side on Cary as he is dropping his shoulder to low as he tries to cover the bottom of the net, he is making himself to small, he should come out and challenge the shouter more often….just so pissed off how we can be like the laffs and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. WAKE UP GEOFF MOLSON!!!!!!!!!!

  51. habsfan reduxit says:

    … I don’t know if Graham Rynbend and his staff is the greatest training unit in the NHL or the worst; I have no experience on which to make those kinds of judgements.

    … but am I the only one who feels that this season’s (and last) rash of injuries is simply far too large a sample to be the result of bad luck only? That somewhere in the organisation, there’s a conditioning or training problem going unchallenged?

    “Whenever you have the puck, and don’t know what to do with it, put it in the net.” – Toe Blake

  52. adamkennelly says:

    Habs lack of size is not an issue…NOOOOOO…but DD didn’t get smashed off the puck on the PP in OT for an easy clear – then JM followed up with the useless Gomez and Gio who proceeded to do nothing and fail to keep the zone….that loss is on JM and the fact that BUF finally woke up and are a better team….we look like donkeys in the shootout because we have no real snipers….huge 2 pts pissed away.

  53. TommyB says:

    I hate to dwell in negativity, but I can’t help looking at last night’s game and telling the “we could have just as easily won that game” crowd that those two OT wins on the road “we could have just as easily lost”.

    That’s where the Habs sit. Right on the bubble. Hanging on for dear life, game after game. DaHema, below, suggests that JM has actually done a reasonable job of keeping us from being totally buried, considering all the injuries. He’s probably right. However, that does not mean that there couldn’t be a better coach out there somewhere for this team.

    I can’t wait until this team gets a healthy roster together again. If ever, that is. Because it seems lately, that one comes back, two more go down. This team will not remain in striking distance if that trend continues. I know many teams go through injury troubles, but it has been the biggest problem the Habs have been facing for quite a few years now. I feel that most of our injuries come from the fact that opponents don’t respect the Habs. Don’t fear the Habs. Therefore we get banged around more than most teams do. The Habs need a couple of loose cannons. Not useless code-adhering goons, but a couple of guys who are not only tough, but unpredictable. Of course they have to be able to play hockey as well, so that definitely narrows down the search. But I believe there are these types out there. Maybe our scouts should be looking for that element when sipping hot cocoa in some god-forsaken backwoods rink looking for the next Guy Lafleur.

  54. naweed235 says:

    This is a very talented team we have here in MTL and as much as it sounds like an excuse, I know they would be VERY tough to win against with a full roster (Which we might have seen for 3 or 4 games in the last 3 years) … As the things stand right now though, it hurts me to see that management does not make an effort to help the team out with a few tweaks…
    1) Bring in a PP specialist with a heavy and accurate point shot… Even a blind man can see the corrlation between our PP success in the last few years with having guys like Sourray, Streit, Schneider, MAB and Wiznewski…
    2) Bring in a coach who is good at developping young talent and does not make players feel like they should play so they don’t lose instead of going in for a win… I have the feeling that there is a tension b/w most of the players and the coach… (AK, Cole, Emelin and few others jump out the most)
    3) Make a trade of some draft picks or a prospect for a solid 4th line face off specialist who can stand up for his teammates (Gaustad come to mind)… I know they don’t grow on trees but since we’ve been throwing away these picks like garbage in the last few years, we might as well use them to get someone who stays with the team for atleast 3 years…
    Oh if only I were the GM 😀 hehe

  55. I like this site for the people and the content but my god, the technical aspects of the site SUCK.


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  56. TOP DAWG says:

    What is there to say that has not already been said ten thousand times this season?

    JM goes with the Wolverine, Pleks & Gio in the shoot out. He got one out of three correct. Cole & DD would be my other two choices.

    The book has been written on the Habs for years now. When they are leading by one or two goals they sit back & defend the lead.

    These post game interviews are so clique. “We let the game slip way”. “We sat back and let them come to us”. Well, if they know what they did wrong then why do they keep do it 95% of the time?

    Carey Price was great during 65 mins. The Goals were not on him. He has not been great in the shootout. But this game never should have gone to a shootout in the first place.

    Should Carey have vented like he did in the dressing room? YES! Carey wants to win badly if JM & many others on this team showed the desire & emotion as Price then this would be one heck of a team.

    The Habs have the talent but not the right coach to bring it out.

    “If you’re not the TOP DAWG, the view never changes”

  57. 123456 says:

    i know i am frustrated by the lack of shootout success. seriously when other teams go and this guy has a career 48% and that guy is 35% over his career… then we have noone over 20% fo rtheir career (maybe patches idk). too many points lost in the SO for my liking.

    3 of the 4 goals last night were the result of the defending team having the puck and not getting it out of their zone (buffalo actually had a couple cracks at it before cole’s goal) – my point here is that little mistakes can cost a team a victory and this game as well as most games are just a bounce or two from having a different outcome. oh yea and the 1 goal that was not in the above group was patches and it was the result of a great bounce.

  58. habsfan reduxit says:

    … I just have one question, and I’m not trying to cast nasturtiums on Carey P. in any way. But does anyone know if a team must use the same goalie in a shoot-out as they used during the game? Say for instance, you had a back-up who sucked out loud … except for one thing – no one could beat him on a breakaway. Could he be put in nets for the shoot-out only?

    “Whenever you have the puck, and don’t know what to do with it, put it in the net.” – Toe Blake

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I don’t think pulling Carey P for the shootouts is casting anything negative towards him…..

      • habsfan reduxit says:

        … but can it be done within the rules?

        “Whenever you have the puck, and don’t know what to do with it, put it in the net.” – Toe Blake

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Yah, Toronto tried it the one year with Toskala and their other goalie. Results were awful.

          Edit, they did with Raycroft and Toskala if memory serves correct.

      • WTF is that supposed to mean – “I’m not trying to cast nasturtiums on Carey P.”???

        If you were throwing nasturtiums at him, wouldn’t that be akin to throwing rose petals on him? I don’t understand what you’re trying to say here. Maybe try without the thesaurus?


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        • HabinBurlington says:

          My response to redux was sarcastic.

          • Sorry, was replying to redux – don’t understand his post. Or more specifically, his use of “nasturtiums”, I guesss I’m supposed to look it up if I wan’t to “grok” his post. As it happens, my mother’s a gardener so I happen to know that they are flowers. So…suggesting that pulling your starter during the shootout is casting flowers on him makes little or no sense.

            Moving on….


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    • JF says:

      You can use whatever goaltender you want for the shootout. But even if your backup is great at shootouts, he’d be coming in cold. Price is usually better than he’s been this year so far, sometimes very good. We just have to hope he’ll get it together. But we had a powerplay in the OT. We should have ended it then.

    • TOP DAWG says:

      They sure can use the backup for the shootout!

      As for CP getting it together I hope U are refering to shooouts. CP has been good so far this season except the Avs game.

      “If you’re not the TOP DAWG, the view never changes”

    • Habfan4lfe says:

      Ya put a cold goalie in net for shootout. C’mon are you for real? Nobody would be stupid enough to do that. Oh, oh.. wait maybe JM is reading this. Oh ya wait, he doesn’t read or listen to anything cuz he’s too busy updating his grocery list oh wait, I mean notepad.

  59. HabinBurlington says:

    In other news how is that an AHL Roster in Winnipeg beat an NHL All Star roster with a DemiGod coaching the team?

  60. Cam_1 says:

    2 things

    1 > In need of a choke ? Call your local choke specialists toll free at 1-800-chk-habs for expert advise !

    2 > Class is in session – Choke 101 – taught by professor Jacques Martin.

  61. Oh if only Carey would have stopped more than he let in on the shoot out, and if only Plecs and Gionta didn’t look like complete fools on their attempts. At least with Carey, the goals were nice goals.

    Shane Oliver
    Brandon, MB,Canada
    R7B 2R7
    Ph- 204 724 8418

    • roady says:

      no Cole in SO…..make no sense at all… agree Plekanec and Gionta …feeble efforts…played like two little bitches !

      take your drink to the end of the bar buddy…come on now, don’t be a fool…

  62. roady says:

    attack and win… retreat and lose…simple.

    take your drink to the end of the bar buddy…come on now, don’t be a fool…

  63. SmartDog says:

    Where is Corsi Berkshire to tell us how bad Desharnais played last night? I mean, he looked dangerous all night, set up Cole 3 times, was on for both goals and played over 20 minutes…. but I know that means nothing.

    When Berkie gets here, he’ll tell us what REALLY happened. He’s got statistics and charts. Probably all those 20+ minutes of play were really third-line minutes against the weakest D in the NHL and the nice passes he made were all Gomez’s.

    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

  64. jimmy shaker says:

    I thought there might be one or two objectionable Price fans that would say Price had his share of the blame for the loss last night. Sure the D sucked on the second goal, playing with the puck and trying to be cute, and Gomer covering air again on the 1st goal, but here’s where I’m going to get hammered. Price, get off your knees! That stupid one leg up and one down as soon as the opposing team has the puck off to the side of the net is ridiculous. He went down, came up and then couldn’t get out of his crease or get set on pominville’s goal. Then on Roy’s goal he was swimming on his knees for about 3 seconds before any sabre took a shot. And how is PRice’s shootout record in his career? He seems to get deked quite easily in most of his shootouts! I like price, the team let him down in the d-zone and enroth made some more key saves on Cole……but are any of the price lovers able to take him off the pedestal they have him on and say he could’ve been better?


    • HabinBurlington says:

      As was the rest of the team, he was not perfect. I will admit he has not looked as strong on shootouts this year. Having said that, the shootout is all about mental pressure, if we are shooting first you must score. Love Plex, but he should not be our first shooter. Again, another example what happens when our 2 best or close to best snipers don’t play.

      I cannot comment much more as I only got to see OT and the shootout.

    • There’s only one goalie in the league who doesn’t uses his lower body to cover the lower part of the net. He’s over 40, well past his prime and will most likely retire after this season.

      He could have been better in the Shoot out. But those were two nice goals that were scored on him.

      Now look at our attempts in the shootout. Besides Pacs, the other two looked like the kids that made the Peewee C2 team.

      Shane Oliver
      Brandon, MB,Canada
      R7B 2R7
      Ph- 204 724 8418

      • TommyB says:

        Bang on regarding our shooters selected for the shootout.

      • jimmy shaker says:

        Yes the boys sucked in the shootout, I’d even say patch’s goal was shite. Jm really doesn’t have a vanek that he can count on in the shootout, also Price seems to look extra ordinary when it comes to breakaways anyways. MY point is, that it didn’t need to get to the shootout if Price would’ve been better on the 2 sabre goals, yes gomer and the D let him down on both goals, but he is the last line of defense and with an elite tender like Price, a big key save is needed from him, and if he wasn’t swimming on his knees he would’ve had a way better chance of saving one of those goals most likely Roy’s goal.


    • TOP DAWG says:

      Jimmy sir

      Please take a look at all the goals that were scored in the NHL last night & tell us how many goalies were on their knees for the goals?

      “If you’re not the TOP DAWG, the view never changes”

  65. HabinBurlington says:

    What happened to the Regulation Tie?

    For decades we were accustomed to a regulation game that ended in a tie. What it meant was that neither team was good enough to deserve the win. Could of been from great goaltending or bad goaltending or a myriad of other reasons but it ended in a tie. Was it really that bad? The old rule of thumb was that if the road team got a tie that wasn’t a bad result for them.

    Now we have this ridiculous Win/Loss/OTLoss/ShootoutLoss columns in the standings. If a team loses the game in one of the reshaped OT/Shootout skills competition they get a special loss, but if a team wins in one of these Saturday Night Showdown like competitions they just get a Win. Oh wait, if we are nearing the playoffs the NHL digs through its vault and finds a 5th column and suddenly the OT/Shootout Win is no longer a regular win, but now it is kind of a win that while still worth 2 points it is worth less in a tiebreaker. So all season you have a win, but then it isn’t really a win or is it.

    I liked the old system, if your team didn’t get the win but you thought you deserved it, well too bad you didn’t. But at least you had a tie, and for many teams involved in those games a tie wasn’t bad, as that was what the game was, 2 teams with the same number of goals.

    I hate the current gimmick, and to make matters worse, the standings are getting disproportionate points handed out nightly and points are being handed out for a competition that never sees the light of day in the playoffs. Nevermind the complete bastardization of individual player stats. So a goalie that wins in the extra bonanza session gets a win, the team gets a win (kind of) the losing team gets an asterisk point getting loss and the losing goalie just gets a Loss. And oh yah the gamewinning goal it OT counts in the stats, but the game winning penalty shot doesn’t. Yah it all makes about as much sense as a Florida Election Result.

    Can we just go back to what worked for what used to seem like forever?

    • JF says:

      +1. I absolutely hate the shootout. It isn’t hockey. If two teams score the same number of goals, there is no reason on earth for one of them to get 2 points and the other only 1 based on an individual skills competition. And the utter incoherence of the way shootout wins only sort of half count is of a piece with the other incoherencies in the NHL, namely officiating and discipline. A pile of garbage. The Habs matched the Sabres in that game. The point distribution should have been equal.

  66. HabFanSince72 says:

    I’ve generally not been a fan of Jacques Martin but let’s look at things realistically.

    1. The roster is not his doing. He did not trade for Gomez. He did not ask for an inexperienced defence.

    2. Despite a rather large number of injuries and the aforementioned iffy defence, his team has never been blown out. Every game is close fought, and the team defence approach is keeping things tight.

    3. In sum, a team that could be at the bottom with the Jets and Isles is actually 1 pt out of a playoff spot. They’re staying close until the return of Markov, Campoli, AK46 and Cammy.

    So while we might not like his cautious approach, maybe it’s giving us results that are as good as we can expect.

    • Sharks9 says:

      Great post, I completely agree with you!

      Our past 3 losses have all been by 1 goal, if you don’t count empty netters and that’s a pretty good sign considering we’re missing so many guys.

      Is it any surprise we lost with the roster we put on the ice? We’re lucky to have even got that point.

      25 before 14

    • TommyB says:

      As much as I still feel JM needs to go, you do make a pretty sound case for absolving him of blame. You are right, things could be much worse.

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