A win and some cuts

As you read these words, Bob Gainey and Guy Carbonneau are meeting the players who won’t be making the trip to Mont Tremblant.

Matt D’Agostini.

Ben Maxwell.

Gregory Stewart.

Never a pleasant task, but that’s hockey … especially with a loaded team like your Montreal Canadiens.

"Nobody feels comfortable," Guy Carbonneau said, summing up the training camp’s Darwinian nature.

"When we started camp, we had 52 players. All of them want to be in the NHL. That’s where 21,000 people are yelling. That’s where they make the money."

For some, the roar of the crowd and ka-ching of the bank balance will have to wait.

But maybe not for long.

Headed up north for bonding: Yannick Weber (Francis Bouillon was injured tonight), Kyle Chipchura, Max Paciorett.

Still a Canadien: Mathieu Dandenault, who played more than 18 minutes on D, showcased, perhaps, for a pressbox full of pro scouts.

Audio from the room and Carbo’s press conference:

The coach

• The Captain, Parts I and II

Christopher Higgins on line chemistry

Jaroslav Halak on a solid start

Alex Tanguay (in the mellifluous language of Molière)

Very nice win.


Great cycling by Koivu, Higgins and Tanguay.

Could be a great line this season.

•  •  •

Tabarnac! Boston has 33 shots.

•  •  •

Gregory Stewart is an NHLer … but maybe not here.

•  •  •

Not a good O-zone penalty, Gui.

•  •  •

That PP is somethin’ else with Weber.

•  •  •

That Bruins D has more statues than Dominion Square.

•  •  •

Nice goal.

Chara had an open side on the PP.


•  •  •

Savard and Ryder both belted.

Big thumper Weber penalized.

•  •  •

My new fave: Robert Lang.

Super-smart player

•  •  •

Excellent PK.

And Halak is sharp.


Re Ryder:

Look, it didn’t work out. End of bloody story.

Not my favourite hockey player. But a good guy. And to his credit, he’s
has never trashed management or bitched about what happened here.

•  •  •

Bruins will start the third period on the PP.

•  •  •

Ron Reusch points out Canadiens have scored 20 pre-season goals, 11 on the PP.

•  •  •

Pierre Durocher of the Journal de Montréal: "Can you smell the Cup?"

Oh yeah, it hangs in the air like weed at a Grateful Dead show.


O’Byrne rescues a Weber giveaway by tying up Ryder.

•  •  •

Weber stepped into Kobasew on a goalmouth scrum.

•  •  •

I’m torn between wanting a shutout for a Halak and a goal for Ryder to shut those clowns up.

•  •  •

Two additions who are VERY good at passing: Tanguay and Lang

•  •  •

Canadiens are skating them into the ice.

Hey, is Patrice Bergeron playing?

Marc Savard?

•  •  •

Shot right on by Tanguay, Lats cashes the rebound.

That PP is sick!


Time for Julien to start a goon show.

•  •  •

Another PP, created by the line of Kovy, Koivu and Higgins


Dandenault flew to catch up to Lucic and negate a break. Great hustle.

•  •  •

Lovely rush by D’Agostini. Nearly finished off by Stewart.

•  •  •

Does Kovy work this crowd?

Goes for a skate on a delayed penalty.

Pavarotti at La Scala.

•  •  •

I like Chara.

He is a tough, honest hockey player.

If he had Pronger’s temperament, half the Eastern Conference would be on the DL.

•  •  •

Weber whips one off Fernandez’s pads, Breeze buries the rebound


•  •  •

What a blast!



•  •  •

Second period will begin with two Bruins in the box, and Jeremy Reich off for 3:49 or less.

So lots of PP practice.

•  •  •

Lang 4-1 on faceoffs. Chipchura 1-3. 

Chara played 8:34, Dandenault 7:15 (!!!)


The book must be Belt Yelle. O’B buried him.

•  •  •

Halak sharp on Kobasew.

Chara and Ryder on the PP: makes the booing easier.

•  •  •

No penalties through almost 15 minutes.

•  •  •

Pleks line is flying against the lead-footed Bs

•  •  •

Weber: two giveaways on one shift. He’ll learn to play D in Hamilton.

•  •  •

AK46 buried Yelle on the boards near the Bruins bench and they didn’t like it.

•  •  •

Shots are 7-2. Fernandez is solid.

•  •  •

O’B playing the left side again, with Weber

•  •  •

Great sequence starts with Tanguay scooting down to negate icing. Then he and Koivu and Higgins had the puck on a string.

•  •  •

Pleks stoned on a great feed from Kovy.Shot right at Fernandez.

•  •  •

The guy who yells KO-STO-POUL-OS! is in mid-season voice.

•  •  •

Man, that Wheeler is a big one.

•  •  •

OK, booing Ryder I can understand.

•  •  •

Booing Chara.

The point eludes me.

•  •  •

Saku Koivu will play his first pre-season game tonight when Boston visits the Bell Centre.

Koivu will centre Alex Tanguay and Christopher Higgins.

Last season’s top line will be reunited: Tomas Plekanec between Andrei Kostitsyn and Alex Kovalev.

The other lines are Robert Lang centring Guillaume Latendresse and Matt
D’Agostini and Kyle Chipchura between Gregory Stewart and Tom

Yannick Weber gets another start on D, along with Mathieu
Dandenault, Francis Bouillon, Josh Gorges, Ryan O’Byrne and Patrice
Brisebois. The Top Three, Andrei Markov, Mike Komisarek and Roman
Hamrlik, have the night off.

This lineup would appear to punch Max Pacioretty’s ticket for
Hamilton. No surprise to anyone who knows how this organization
nurtures and develops its talent.

It’s an important game for Chipchura, who was very solid against
Detroit but was overshadowed by Pacioretty. It’s also a big game for
Stewart, who may have to step up and provide some muscle against the

•  •  •

Zdeno Chara is expected to make his first pre-season start for Boston.

The Bruins’ likely lineup: Marc Savard centring Michael Ryder and P.J.
Axelsson; Patrice Bergeron between Marco Sturm and Chuck Kobasew; big
horses Milan Lucic and Blake Wheeler flanking Stephane Yelle, and a
rock-’em/sock-’em trio of Jeremy Reich, Shawn Thornton and Vladimir
Sobotka. Chara will be paired on D with Dennis Wideman. The other duos
are Andre Alberts-Matt Hundwick and Mark Stuart-Shane Hnidy.

Manny Fernandez to start in nets, backed up by Tuuka Rask.

Red Remembers: Fisher’s take on Habs’ history.



  1. georgesd says:

    I think many of us have a soft spot for Bégin. However he’s injury-prone and probably will not play a full season. Lapierre can also play center and is an energy player like Bégin. He is not injury-prone like Bégin. I think that if Lapierre doesn’t get the job done as the Habs official pest by slacking too often then he could be delt.

    Where my mind changed was seeing how well Chipchura has played in the past two games. I thought he was a goner. He’s proved me wront. What I sensed had changed is simply that he came to the realization that two games ago he was two steps away from going back down to Hamilton, maybe never to come back up. He finally understood and ‘surprised’ Carbo. He took his last chance – a lot like Lapierre did last year. The only diff is that Lapierre is a winger and not a center. Thus Chips true value.

    Next year the pressure will be on Koivu and Lang, if we keep him. The feeling I get is that Bob G. will be be faithful to Koivu during this season’s run for the 25th in the century run for the Cup. I sense that, since Koivu won’t receive a pay increase after this season, that Bob may trade him to Minnesota to finish off his career with his brother. Enter Maxwell who will have had a full season, we hope without injury, in Hamilton under the belt.

    The next two years will be a lot of managing the talent pool for Gainey.

  2. PPQB says:

    How do you draw a comparison between Tanguay and Samsonov dude??…”in fact, Tanguay is the new Samsonov”. What’s the expression, something about apples and oranges?? Or is it Ladas and BMWs?? In any case, you are incredibly wrong on that assessment. At least wait until the regular season is 15 games old before you label someone a bust.

  3. twocents says:

    Now Tanguay!? Why do you need to rag on so many players? Let alone someone who has yet to play a regular season game with us. Even with an off year last year he has been one of the NHL’s most productive players, poimt wise, over the last 5 years and he is in the top 5 in power play points during that stretch.

    Come on man, who pissed in your cornflakes?

  4. Skotbot says:

    The only way pax outshine Tang, is if Tang plays in hamilton, cause thats where you will find Pax

    Do I listen to pop music because I am miserable?
    Or am I miserable because I listen to pop music?

  5. RetroMikey says:

    Predictions are for Gypsies!
    “We will win the Cup only with Carey Price in the nets”

  6. fun police says:

    you are entitled to your opinion, no need to use derogatory words. my point is simple. I’d, yes me, would rather have pax on the wing than lats. pax is faster than lats when it counts, which is during a game. i don’t care how fast someone is skating laps around the rink, it is what they do with the puck. to each his own.
    also, because someone has an X amount of games under their belt does that mean they automatically make the team? if someone else is better then tough luck. it’s the nhl, not beer league.

  7. nick says:

    Any word if it’ll be on any channel? I just took a look at TSN and RDS’s line up for tonight and it doesn’t look like hockey. :(

  8. cautiousoptimist says:

    I like your points, but I’ve got a soft spot for Begin — he brings too much grit, heart, penalty-killing, shot-blocking and solid D to replace with a rookie. Plus he can play centre. I’d deal Lapierre instead and let Chipchura centre Begin and Laracque, with Kostopoulos covering for short-term injuries and Pacioretty and D’Agostini called up to fill in for longer ones.

    1. http://www.flickeringpictures.com – not a hockey site, but still kinda neat
    2. Josh Gorges on Montreal’s attack: “They’re comin’, they’re comin’ and they keep comin’. Just line after line, wave after wave…”

  9. HAB-PROFESSOR says:

    I’m going to make some solid predictions after what I’ve saw thus far in regards to players performance and coaching comments:

    the following will all come to pass at some point (hopefully sooner than later)

    1. PAX will outshine TANGUAY by a mile…in fact Tanguay is the new Samsonov.
    2. PRICE will be hailed by the media as the real reason the Habs are contenders.
    3. Kovy will have a better year than last year, in fact it will be a record year for him.
    and finally…
    4. BREEZE and DANDY will make the team because they are CARBS pets, this will be our Achilles heel until it is rectified.

  10. twocents says:

    Playoff games count. 161 games. The window is closed. Oleg is right.

  11. B says:

    You are only counting his regular season games. He has also played 8 playoff games. 153 + 8 = 161

  12. MikeL says:

    I agree. As you said, I see this as a similar situation to Price last year. Gainey was high on Price, as he is on Max. Gainey never makes a decision because it is an easy one. He makes a decision because he feels it is the right one. I belive Max Pac would help our team more than Gui, and that is the sole reason I am pushing for him.

    In the end, regardless of what happens, I will always support Gainey’s decisions.

  13. bidds55 says:

    I can understand why folks are high on Weber, the kid has an absolute cannon from the point….but he needs big time work on his D. He is not an NHL calibre defenceman right now. After a year in Hamilton though, he’s gonna be something to see.

  14. JIMVINNY says:

    Just so you know, rational thought is not a strong point among some habs fans. That being said, you are not one of them. Great post.

  15. Habsrule1 says:

    I have never heard someone so negative, and so wrong.
    Carbonneau will do what’s best for the team, with a lot of help from Gainey.

    I trust their “infinite wisdom” a tad more than yours.

    Go Habs Go!!


  16. MikeL says:

    That is exactly how I felt/feel. I was directing that question to the other guy who seems fairly convinced Pac is going to he minors. Many were also convinced the same thing about Price. They were wrong. And well, as they say, the rest is history.

  17. cautiousoptimist says:

    Pacs didn’t play on Sunday, but I didn’t know there was a rule about that. Weird…

    1. http://www.flickeringpictures.com – not a hockey site, but still kinda neat
    2. Josh Gorges on Montreal’s attack: “They’re comin’, they’re comin’ and they keep comin’. Just line after line, wave after wave…”

  18. coutNY says:

    Not too sure of the absolute certainty that going Max’s to Hamilton…
    The kids has been playing extrodinarily well and as Price did last year, Pax seems to be Gainey’s Golden boy. I truely believe he could be working hard enough to challenge Lats and Dandy rooster spots if they don’t bring it against the B’s.

    Dandy Playing D again sounds to me that the coaching staff is having a hard time justifying a forward position, so that there opting to have him audition for a cozy spot next to Breezer as a “just in case”. At least Breeze can add to PP… And I think Webber is a better option than both of them.

    Oh-well if they start sputtering we have some great options to explore!

  19. MikeL says:

    161? I see that he played 153 games, which gives him 7 more before waivers.

  20. HAB-PROFESSOR says:

    absolutely not – I was PRO-PRICE all the way, in fact when he was sent down I thought it was a disaster (and it was) – when we traded away Huet I yelled that it was a brilliant move. I believe that when talent shows its head above the crowd, then a smart ‘leader’ will promote that individual and let him find his destiny. Like I said, D’Agost,maxwell,webb…those guys need conditioning, but PAX has earned a right to be given a shot.

  21. bidds55 says:

    I believe the number of games Gui can play before having to go on waivers is 7. He has played 153. 160 is the magic game total.

  22. cautiousoptimist says:

    I think we’d all rather see Pacioretty on the ice instead of Dandy, but 13th and 14th forwards (and 7th defensemen) don’t play very much, and it makes sense for Pacioretty to play every game in Hamilton rather than every fourth game here. Dandy’s and Brisebois’s spots are not up for grabs, because Carbo knows this and wants his young guns to develop.

    And Lats may not have played any AHL games, but he’s played enough NHL games (and scored enough goals — 32 of them) to show that he belongs here.

    1. http://www.flickeringpictures.com – not a hockey site, but still kinda neat
    2. Josh Gorges on Montreal’s attack: “They’re comin’, they’re comin’ and they keep comin’. Just line after line, wave after wave…”

  23. B says:

    Latendresse has played 161 games, the threshold is 160 games.

  24. mjames says:

    You make some very valid points. I would defintely go with your recomendations.


  25. bidds55 says:

    pardon my french, but your comment, and every comment that states that Lats hasn’t improved is completely retarded. Pierre Mcguire’s comment that “that’s the first thing Gui has done in the preseason” is equally retarded. He’s only played in one other preseason game, and that was coming off a problem with his hip.

    Lats is MUCH faster this year. There is no question about that. You are welcome to your opinion that Max Pac deserves a spot above him, or anyone else, but suggesting Gui hasn’t gotten significantly faster is simply wrong. The coaching staff has acknowledged it, Robert Lang is quoted as saying very clearly “he’s fast”, and even Stevie Wonder could see that he’s faster this year than last year. Hate him all you want, but don’t shoot him down with complete and utter falsehoods.

    The time to send Gui to Hamilton was last season. The opportunity to do that with an eye to developing him has past. He now has over 150 NHL games under his belt, and has performed quite well, especially under the circumstances (musical line changes by coach carbo, very limited playing time, etc.). Let us not forget his performance with Koivu and Ryder as a rookie, when replacing Higgins. He was just shy of a point a game when he had consistent linemates.

    Let’s also not forget that Max Pac has had exactly one good (pre-season) game. I once got 8 goals in a game of shinny down at the local rink, do you want the Habs to keep me too?

  26. mjames says:

    Maybe I was too hard on Lats in my earlier post. While I still believe that Pax and others (Chips and D’Agostini) have outplayed him I thought Lats played a good game against the Wings. In my opinion he looks better than last year. I actually think he will have better year than last year year. He might exceed 20 goals. Having said that I still think Pax, Chips and D’Agostini have outplayed him.

    This team is getting to be very deep.


  27. georgesd says:

    We’ll see soon what the line-up will look like. Whatever it will be, there is only one sure thing: Carbo will come up with a line-up that will be far from permanent, that can change any moment between now and X-mas. Injuries, trades, poor play or good play and perhaps other factors will all come into play.

    One thing I have learned over the course of the past 3-4 years is that generally the right choice is made. We can analyse decisions since then until the cat meows but it will not change the decisions that will be made.

    The Canadiens de Montréal tend to be patient with their young talent, tend to develop their own, have talented people at all levels in the organisation and definitely know what it takes to win the Stanley Cup.

    This is why I respect their decisions. Now, you may ask what I would do to start the season:

    1. Send Pacioretty down for from 2-4 months.
    2. Same thing with D’Agostini.
    3. Put Chipchura at center on the fourth.
    4. Trade Bégin & Dandeneault.
    5. Keep Stewart. Why him and not Pacioretty or D’Agostini? Well, he’s a bona fide 4th line. Not the other two. He’s young and not injury prone like Bégin and probably would have a better +/- than Dandeneault.
    6. Expect better from O’Byrn, Latendresse, S. Kostitsyn and Lapierre. And put them in situations that favor their development.
    7. Starting line-up:
    L-1: A. Kostitsyn-Plekanec-Kovalev
    L-2: Higgins-Koivu-Tanguay
    L-3: S. Kostitsyn-Lang-Latendresse
    L-4: Lapierre/Stewart-Chipchura-Laraque/Kostopoulos
    D-1: Markov-Komisarek
    D-2: Harmlick-O’Byrn
    D-3: Gorges-Bouillon
    G: Price-Halak

    Georges Drouin

  28. twocents says:

    You mean he only exists in the virtual world now? Wow, I knew that guy was ahead of his time.

  29. MikeL says:

    Did you say the same thing about Price last season?

  30. Mr.Hazard says:

    Yes, he’ll be sent down. Though it’s possible we’ll see him later in the season.

    Ex nihilo nihil fit

  31. MikeL says:

    I was playing NHL 09 the other day and I noticed Oleg is on one of the Russian League team’s in the game. I can’t remember which one tho…

  32. Mr.Hazard says:

    Watch your tone mister!

    Ex nihilo nihil fit

  33. Mike from Ktown says:

    I think I heard last night that 160 game played in the NHL is the number where you have to start passing waivers.
    The only roster players we can move to Hamilton make space for the younger guys would be Ak, SK, Latendresse, Lapierre. I don’t expect you to see AK or SK going anywhere. So really the only option is to move the other two down if you wanted to make room for Max, and Chipper. I doubt that we’ll see Chipper come in as a 4th line center, when we picked up Lang I figured that he would be back with the bulldogs. As for Max who has been very impressive, I doubt he’ll start up just because of the depth we have. I can see both these guys starting down with the bulldogs, and if they rip it up making room for them mid season.

  34. MikeL says:

    No, you’re not correct. He can play 8 or 9 games before going through waivers.

  35. twocents says:

    Oleg! Are you playing these days in Europe?

    Man, it’s a little harder to crack to the line up these days than it was back in your day. And heck, we had just won a cup back then…hmmmm…

  36. MikeL says:

    Sergei K was the first call up last season after Lapierre. He was a rookie. Time spent in Hamilton is not the biggest of factors.

    I agree there is room for both in the future, but right now, I don’t feel there is. They fit the same role, 3rd line power forward. Neither are 4th line grinders, so they are fighting for the same spot. I don’t know what Gainey is planning to do, but I certainly wouldn’t be upset if Max a=was swapped for Gui.

    It wouldn’t close the book on Gui, it would just send the message that we need a lot more from him.

  37. Oleg Petrov says:

    I believe I am correct in thinking that Lats would have to pass through waivers to get sent to Hamilton due to the number of NHL games he has played (I think that is what they said on TSN last night). If that is the case, I seriously doubt he would get through without someone taking him. So really, sending him down is not an option – there is no way they would just get rid of him for nothing.

  38. fun police says:

    i also disagree about pax going to hamilton? why should he? lats hasn’t played a game in the ahl, and pax is way ahead of him at this point in development. lats doesn’t look any faster and is still behind the play. he needs serious minutes in the ahl. if dandy makes the team it is a crime and carbo was lying when he said the young guys have to make a spot for themselves, because pax had a better camp up front and webber had a better camp on d.

  39. Oleg Petrov says:

    People, people, people – the Max Pac vs Latendresse debate is like comparing apples and oranges. They are two completely different situations. They kept Latendresse 2 years ago because they couldn’t send him to Hamilton – it was stay with the Habs or back to Junior and they obviously decided Lats would benefit and develop more staying with the big club and learning how to be a pro than picking up more bad habits in Junior. Max Pac is an NCAA player who decided to turn pro and can be sent to Hamilton as a 19 year old so he can benefit from a year in the AHL and come up ready to succeed instead of learning on the job as a 19 year old kid. Sure he looked good night – against an average Wings line up. But it is miles away from a regular season game. And this kid played NCAA last year! Let him play a full season of 82 pro games before playing in Montreal. Strong organizations don’t rush players and put them in situations to fail. They ensure they are ready to succeed before making the jump to the NHL – he belongs in Hamilton this year playing in all situations as a first or second line player.

    If you ask me Chips and D’Agostini are the two players fighting to stay with Stewart also in the mix. Those guys would be the first call ups in my mind. They have put in their time in Hamilton and have a better understanding of what it takes to play in the NHL than Max Pac does.

    And why so much negativity around Lats? He is a kid, learning how to be a pro in the most passionate hockey market in the world (which is good and bad at the same time), has scored 16 goals in each of his first two years, brings some size and obviously is taking things to a new level this year – he is in better shape and his skating is noticeably improved. And his reward is to go Hamilton?

    There is room for Lats and Max Pac in the future for this team – it doesn’t have to be an either or situation.

  40. MikeL says:

    Why not send Latendresse down to begin the season? Will it really make him any worse than he is right now? If anything, it may give him some confidence and allow him work his way back onto the team. I just don’t like how all the young players work their asses off all camp, while Gui! has been one of the worst players on the ice and still has a spot on the team.

    It sends a bad message to the rest of the team, and the rest of the propects. We want our prospects to push the roster players, that way the team is always getting the best out of everyone. Players try to up their game to keep their job from the rookies, and the rookies try to up their game to steal a spot. Gui! hasn’t done this. I don’t care how old, what language he speaks, or what potential he has, if you don’t earn your spot, you shouldn’t be given it.

    He can still be sent to Hamilton with no loss to the team. We will still have his rights, and he can gain confidence needed to rebound. Actually take the “re” off, because he never had it. He needs to “bound”.

  41. MikeL says:

    One good play of the entire preseason. Even Pierre acknowledged it as the first thing Gui has done the entire preseason. Pretty weak.

  42. JIMVINNY says:

    After the criticism the staff has faced with the decision the last two years to keep Lats up, they won’t make that mistake again. He’ll be sent down, as he should, to develop further. And lats will be allowed to make his case for one more year.

  43. Robert L says:

    Did anyone notice Latendresse last night winning a one on one battle behind the boards with a crunching check, stripping the opponant of the puck, before making a centering pass to Kovalev, who mulliganed it?

  44. RGM says:

    The announcers on TSN said last night that Latendresse doesn’t have to clear waivers yet. He’s something like 8 games shy of reaching that benchmark.

    Go Habs Go!

  45. JF says:

    RIS will show parts of it, annoyingly broken up with commentary, as they did last night. Frustrating, but better than nothing…

  46. HAB-PROFESSOR says:

    Max Pacioretty to Hamilton? NO.

    I disagree with BOONE. the decision has been made, PAX is in. as for CHIP and STEWART, thats still undecided, hence the lineup. Good to see the Captain on his permanent line with Tang/Higg and Kovy with his boys. Lang/Bonk will control the 3rd line… I can see CARBS master plan taking effect already.

  47. mjames says:

    I had the opportunity to see a replay of the Habs/Wings game. This kid Pax sure looks ready. Although he will likely go to Hamilton I believe he made the Habs as he definitely beat out a number of the regulars. I have to give kudos to Gainey and Timmins. I was not a fan of this Pax pick but I was sure wrong. This guy looks good. Speaking of good I thought DAgostini and Chipchura played well. I think these three have beat out Tenders but I am not sure how you send Tenders down without exposing him to waivers. We might lose him if we tried. The same can be said with Lapierre.

    I think O’Bryne needs to pick up his game. I do not think the Wings goal was entirely his fault but he is taking a number of penalties. He needs to play with more confidence. Brisbois did not look strong in my opinion.

    It will be interesting to see who makes the team. I think Gainey might have to work out some trades for draft choices in order to free up some space.


  48. twocents says:

    Assistant in Pittsburg in ’91 and ’92 and head coach for one year in Hartford in ’93-’94 losing record of 23-37-7.

  49. twocents says:

    I wasn’t thinking of any poster in particular, Maguire has simply been referred to too often today.

    He was driving me nuts last night with his, ‘There’s no way! Montreal! can send this!… Blah! blah! blah!… as if, if Pacioretty stays it was his idea.

    I say let him start in Hamilton and I look forward to a winter call up.

  50. Chuck says:

    Latendresse was rushed because there were hardly any other options. The Habs are now in a position where they can let Pacioretty develop at a more reasonable pace, including time in Hamilton learning the finder points of the game.


  51. Habhopeful says:

    He used to coach the penguins, I cant remember when but i think mid or late 90’s…

    “We get nose jobs all the time in the NHL, and we don’t even have to go to the hospital.”
    ~Brad Park.

  52. twocents says:

    I think it was sometime in the late ’80’s or early 90’s. By the late nineties he was doing c,olour for the Habs games on radio and it was already a bit of a distant memory though he yapped about it all the time. ‘When I was coaching… blah blah blah’

  53. HabsColor says:

    Without Markov (and Hamrlik), Habs D became D-, especially offensively.

  54. Gary320 says:

    I tend to disagree with Pierre Mcguire. Its rare I agree with him, until he discussed how Pac should get a spot in the team. I do not believe that Pac should get a spot BECAUSE of what Mcguire said. I believe he should get a spot BECAUSE of what Pac did. I just used Mcguire to support my opinion..

    As for PJ STOCK. I honestly don’t even think of his comments. I always disagree with him (although I guess with Pac.. agree) He (STOCK) tends to always go against the majoritys opinion.. If everyone say Carey Price sucks, he will most probably say Carey Price is the best.. just using an example..

  55. Skotbot says:

    Yea Gary,

    My post was mainly replying to a crazy guy about anglo vs franco.
    Its getting really tiresome..

    the post in question has since been removed.

    I think Pax will get his chance, but keeping him on long enough will just get the contract/UFA/everything else ball rolling.
    And heavens forbid we bring him up, just to have him fade away on a line with the interchangables…

    Do I listen to pop music because I am miserable?
    Or am I miserable because I listen to pop music?

  56. J.T. says:

    Awww…I’ve loved watching the prospects play, but I’m getting greedy to see the “real” lineup in action. I was just looking at the forward lines and thinking how close we’re getting to watching that real team. Then I saw the D…


  57. Skotbot says:

    I wonder when was the last time Pierre coached an NHL team anyways..

    1 coach per team
    1000000 backseat drivers per coach

    Do I listen to pop music because I am miserable?
    Or am I miserable because I listen to pop music?

  58. twocents says:

    It would be nice if he had something like a big musky or sturgeon exploding from the water, striking the bait.

    It’s consistent with his own passions and more palatable as a competitor’s image.

    Seriously, I don’t care as long as he plays as well as he has so far.

  59. Gary320 says:

    It’s true that the team now compared to Latendresse’s rookie year is different. Far better team today than we were 2/3 years ago. So there was more of a sense of urgency to get Lats up.

    However, my point of bringing up Latendresse has nothing to do wtih anglo/franco unlike some other people on this board. I’m tired of Anglo/Franco debate.. There is only one language in the NHL and that’s the language of Hockey. Cheesy yes.. I know. My point is that.. if we were willing to rush LAtendresse.. why not Pat? He demonstrated this pre-season he is capable of atleast playing some games this season.. I don’t think 82 games.. but I do think this guy should be part of our line up before Christmas time. It didn’t work out so badly for Price, and we weren’t in a rush for a goalie were we?

  60. Corio says:

    We want Max! We want Max!

  61. twocents says:

    I’m with you there Tommy B, they’re a couple of blowhard bozos and everyone is quoting them like they are the second coming of Pollock and Bowman.

  62. JIMVINNY says:

    Or maybe he should be allowed to look up to his own heroes, instead of having someone else’s pushed upon him… Speaking of Class…

  63. twocents says:

    The D side of D might be a bit scary tonight. A chance for O’Byrne to focus on his strengths, as we will be relying on him to provide all the muscle back there.

  64. Skotbot says:


    I was in the middle of commenting to that crazy anglo vs franco post, and when I hit post, the site told me the post im replying to does not exist..

    Im glad others thought what that guy wrote was nonsense..

    Anyways Pax = this years camp
    Lats = 2-3 years ago camp

    different circumstances guys.. pls keep that in mind.

    Do I listen to pop music because I am miserable?
    Or am I miserable because I listen to pop music?

  65. TommyB says:

    From reading some posts here you almost get the impression that Pierre Maguire should be the Habs GM and PJ Stock the coach.

    [shivers], pass the Tylenol 3’s please…and the season hasn’t even started.

  66. nightmare_49 says:

    Michael Ryder returns to old haunt (will dress tonight) .. by Fluto Shinwawa ….. http://www.boston.com/sports/hockey/bruins/articles/2008/10/01/ryder_returns_to_old_haunts/ …………………………. Tidbits – NHL Morning Papers .. by Richard Pollock ….. http://www.illegalcurve.com/2008/10/01/nhl-morning-papers-wednesday-edition-23/ ………………………………… Brian Burke sends message with trade .. by Dan Wood ….. http://www.ocregister.com/articles/ducks-donnell-guys-2175319-cap-camp ..TRANSACTION WIRE – Blues send down – Matt Foy, Andy Wozniewski and Brad Winchester – Washington send Keith Aucoin down – Nashville release Michael Ryan.

  67. Ian Cobb says:

    I don,t believe this game is on the tube anywhere, is it. Or is it a night for CJAD and being on here?????

  68. Tom S. says:

    re: Patch and Lats:

    I can understand the frustration on the part of some here. But Lats must be given every opportunity to succeed. He’s a power forward and they may take a bit longer to mature. Anyone remember a guy named LeClair? How would we feel if we traded Lats and he developed into a bonefide sniper? Patch will have his day. He’s only 19 and he has tons of skill, that won’t change, even if he plays in Hamilton and hones his skills while he’s there as a first line winger.

  69. HabFab says:

    Timo, it is a rule but since Pacs has not yet played a game as a pro or NHL to become a member of the NHLPA then it would not apply to him.Not swearing to this but seems logical.More of a NHLPA and CBA rule then NHL.

  70. HABZ24 says:

    glad cpt.k. is comming back. max-pac looked awesome on the ice last night.how can you send this guy down.guess team doesnt wanna make the lats mistake again.id dump dandy,insert pac-man.lang looks like coastalev 2 years ago, lang doesnt move his feet much, move it buddy.whats with price still having that stupid garth brookes pic on his mask, have some class,its the habs centennial year,ur our top goalie, put dryden or roy on ur mask.that price batting the puck save last nite was incredible.

  71. HabsColor says:

    Don’t forget that only Kyle Chipchura is already on the Roster, while other young legs are trying to earn a spot in CH.

  72. twocents says:

    I ran over to my friends house, he has a dish and what a treat it was. Saw most of the second and all of the rest. Thanks for looking out for me.

  73. Habsrule1 says:

    Good comeback…I’ll give you a bit of respect for that one!

    Go Habs Go!!


  74. HAB-PROFESSOR says:

    all the respect Krob – ok, the first prediction was slightly a long shot, but in general the post (and all my comments today) are just to shed some light on a potential problem with decisions that are fast approaching. I’m not the type to just say, ‘faith in BG etc..’ – damn I’m going to voice my opinion because thats what this site is for…and its awesome for it because fellow hab fans are interested in digging into the details, its not all about “trust in gainey etc…” – yes I trust Gainey and Carb, for the record, but I see (IMO) bad calls by Carb (ryder/breeze etc.) and today I’m just hinting that possibly his PAX CALL will be an error if he sends him down. The fact that everyone is going nuts today is actually a good thing, because its about a player that has risen to the occasion, and thats creating lineup debates, players vs players…tis the season!

  75. cautiousoptimist says:

    Exactly right, Prof.

    1. http://www.flickeringpictures.com – not a hockey site, but still kinda neat
    2. Josh Gorges on Montreal’s attack: “They’re comin’, they’re comin’ and they keep comin’. Just line after line, wave after wave…”

  76. T-roy West says:

    Timo: I agree it sucks for Dandy but that’s life. This season is going to be so awesome and we really do have an exciting team. Some people just have to bitch about something. By the way don’t worry about your habs ticket to the game in Edmonton, I’ve got you covered. :)

  77. HabsProf says:

    Yes, but remember: when we talk about a player bumping someone, it is not just for the roster spot, but for the role. If Max bumps Dandy, does that mean he will spend most games in the pressbox and play a few games on the 4th line? No. If he is here, he plays pretty much every day. That means he bumps a regular. But a player like Max needs top 3 line duty: we aren’t developing him for the 4th line. So he has to beat someone on the top 3 lines. And the only person vulnerable there is Lats.

    But Lats would suck in a 4th line role as well (please, no comments about how he sucks in general – I’m not trying to bash the player).

    Max should go to Hamilton and be an injury callup. We won’t have another dream season like last year with no injuries. He will get time.

  78. T-roy West says:

    Timo: Yep I got your email now and I will get back to you soon. Cheers!

  79. HabsColor says:

    Unfortunately, none…

  80. Devin_G7 says:

    Is tonights game televised?

  81. TommyB says:

    Isn’t it enough to realize this, and graciously leave it at that?

  82. TommyB says:

    Good point, J.T. In this 100th year anniversary, that’s the one thing that will embarrass this organization over the course of the year. Boorish, new-wave fans who feed off of the past reputation of the Montreal hockey fan, but bring the now-generation mentality. Patience, and understanding of what this organization is, and was, is sorely lacking.

  83. Gormdog says:

    Because he was lazy defensively, and notice where exactly he fell in our depth chart once the team started to reach its potential… The man never whined, so i dont think he deserves booring, but i can’t blame fans that think that last season he stopped putting in full effort once he realized he wasnt a top 2 line lock…

  84. J.T. says:

    Too many yahoos in the stands who don’t remember when not just the team, but its fans, had class.


  85. AndyF says:

    Is the game being broadcast anywhere tonight?

  86. showey47 says:

    RIS, if you have bell its channel 124

  87. J.T. says:

    Terribly fickle. It’s not as though he didn’t do some good things for the Habs…like lead them in goals two out of the last three years AND launch The Comeback just last season.


  88. Gary320 says:

    RIS is RDS’s 24/7 sports information network. On Illico and Bell express vu.

  89. jimbo says:

    Thanks for the info

  90. HabFab says:

    And the HIO Collective (as in Borg) strikes again…well done Gary!!

  91. TommyB says:

    Ryder had some good years in Montreal. He got too comfortable maybe, and got replaced. Such is the way in pro hockey. But for the fans to boo him that way….short memories, and totally unacceptable. I am not a big fan of Ryder’s, but I’d show more class than that. Now, if he gave me reason to boo him, yeah, I’d let him have it. But someone tell me….what reason?

  92. TommyB says:

    I have Bell….channel 124 has the weather, in French.

  93. MikeL says:

    With our depth at center now, and because he plays an offensive role, there isn’t much room for him. Hopefully he can jump in within a couple years and be a potential replacement for Koivu.

  94. Gary320 says:

    RIS is showing the game.

  95. Gary320 says:

    Not sure of Online, know it is showing on RIS network

  96. RetroMikey says:

    Patience in development = winners

    Yeah, I like the slogan Ian.

    “We will win the Cup only with Carey Price in the nets”

  97. RetroMikey says:

    Patience in development = winners

    Yeah, I like the slogan Ian.

    “We will win the Cup only with Carey Price in the nets”

  98. showey47 says:

    I would agree its because of your last sentence. Koivu hasn’t played a game yet and needs the ice time and i think last night was lang’s first game. This is essentially the start of their training camp and need the ice time.

  99. moser17 says:

    ok, thanks… Ryder getting some boos there …. lol … chanting “Ryder Ryder”

  100. TommyB says:

    Ryder being booed and “chanted”. I’m not a Ryder supporter, but….a bit fickle, no?

  101. showey47 says:

    obyrne needs to play a strong game tonight, he was pretty bad last night. He looks a little lost without the hammer next to him

  102. HabFab says:

    What is RIS ? have RDI and RDS but have never heard of RIS?

  103. Shadowhunter says:

    Thanks a lot

  104. Ed says:

    You too. I guess we’ll get used to it. Remember HIO before and after those changes.

  105. moser17 says:

    I don’t see a lot of the MTL-based posters on here right now. They probably caught wind of the news that La Cage Aux Sports is showing the game on closed-circuit, or at least that’s what it says on their website.

  106. HabFab says:

    If any of you are good multi-taskers and have the channel.Rangers are playing an exhibition game with one of the Russian KHL teams at 7:30 on NHL TV.Maybe interesting to see how they compare.

  107. MikeL says:

    It was on earlier. Good game.

  108. LeGrosBill says:

    I’m surprised they didn’t want to see Maxwell playing tonight. Maybe they already decided to send him to Hamilton. Or maybe with the return of 3 vets there wasn’t room for another look.


  109. HabFab says:

    Went through your town twice today dude.Only saw a Leafs flag flying off some fools car.

  110. Gormdog says:

    Can’t enjoy what you don’t understand…

  111. MikeL says:

    haha yeah poor guy. It’s about 50/50 around here. But the leafs fans are quiet lately, as they are everywhere else.

  112. TommyB says:

    The only place I have ever read that Latendresse is a power forward, or a power forward in the making, is…..here! What does that say?

    People who frequent this site like to label players. Not all players require a label, IMO. Go out there and play hockey to the best of your abilitly. Leave the labels to the fans and scribes.

  113. Habs Fan in Hogtown says:

    My two (self-interested) cents on the Pac vs. Lats debate:

    1) Pac has had an incredible pre-season, and he would have a place on many other teams straight out of camp. This is a team that stacked up pretty well against Detroit the last two games. If I’m not mistaken, their rookie, who also scored 2 goals last night is fighting for a roster spot and might end up in the minors. we are not the team that Lats made a few years ago.

    2) Lats is a very different type of player than Pac. Both are big men with good hands who can score goals. If anything, I hope that Lats took a good look at a few of those big, hard to move Detroit forwards who plant themselves in front of the net and collect the garbage. That’s how he’s going to score lots of goals. He’s not the fast, mobile skater that Pac is and never will be.

    3) I think Pac will start in the Hammer for the simple reason that its between him, Lats, AK46 and Higgins for a spot on the top 3 lines. Unless the Habs brain-trust has decided to roll with 4 offensive lines, there isn’t space for 4 offensive left wingers. But, injuries do happen (as do slumps) and the moment a spot opens up, Pac will be called up to the show.

    In the meantime, any Habs fans in the GTA into organizing a Habs Summit in Hamilton? I can’t wait to cheer for Pac in a ‘Dogs jersey. Do you think he’s gonna keep 67? Gotta love him for choosing that number!

  114. nightmare_49 says:

    Big changes at nhl.com grrrrrrr

  115. Will Longlade says:

    I don’t think this move necessarily punches Pacioretty’s ticket to Hamilton. In fact, it may suggest just the opposite. Based on his performance, he may have already made the team. If that’s the case, Carbo & Gainey would want to take a closer look at the other players who may be on the bubble.

  116. habsgod says:

    crosby by a landslide it won’t be close!

  117. JIMVINNY says:

    A guy can hope, can’t he?

  118. HabFab says:

    Ian ,if she is the same Jane Findley from Montreal West High.She was my homeroom teacher for a year.LOL

  119. Xvache says:

    any game audio 2night?

  120. moser17 says:

    7:30pm ET (19h30)

  121. Drive_For_25 says:

    Max Pacioretty.

  122. moser17 says:

    LOL, maybe he’ll lead the AHL in the 15 games he’ll play before he’s called back up.

  123. Keith says:

    Awww RDS showing stupid baseball. I’d rather watch paint dry on the wall than watch that boring spectacle.

  124. JB_15 says:

    Welcome back Koivu.

    As it stands, and as I see it, there are two problems with our team; Guillaume Latendresse, and Ryan Obyrne. In my opinion, these guys have no business playing for us right now because they have been outplayed. In their places I would slot in Dandenault or Brisebois on D, and Max Pac up front. I know Max needs to develop, but lets be honest – this could be the last year with the CH for a lot of guys, and Bob needs to pull out all the stops. If that includes Pacioretty with the big club, I am all for it. If Turris can play, if stamkos can play, if sam gagner can play, if s kosti can ply, if Toews and Kane could play, Max Pac can play.

    Obyrne makes me more nervous than Huet in a shootout. And Latendresse is just flat out lazy and untalented.

    My lines would be

    Kovy Pleks A Kost
    Higgins Koivu Tanguay
    S Kost Lang Pacioretty
    BGL Lapierre Kostopolous

    Markov Komi
    Hamr Dandy
    Bouillon Gorges

    Benched: Begin, Latendresse, Brisebois, Chipchura.

  125. Ian G Cobb says:

    PAT -The kid is 20 years old, were you at the top of your game at 20,? I doubt it. He has to play at this level for a couple more years. You might not like his game, but he is doing the job just fine thank you. Patience in development = winners.

  126. filincal says:

    I would love tosee Lats play a few games with Laraque. He’d really throw his weight around there.
    I respect Lats alot, even moreso after he took a beating from Chara when defending Kovalev.


  127. HabFab says:

    Four kids still tonight,not counting until it counts.

  128. JIMVINNY says:

    Not what I had in mind…

  129. showey47 says:

    did you really expect anything more?

  130. Xtrahabsfan says:

    Please let someone know how to view this game,anyone …please?

  131. Drive_For_25 says:

    I really doubt anyone is saying that he “is” a power forward, because he is obviously far from it. We’ve just needed the “power forward” for so long that everyone was hoping that Lats would fill the role right away but was tossed into the fire too quick and know we will all have to wait and see if he can develop into the infamous “POWER FORWARD”.

  132. Koivu12 says:

    The game is not on TV. No can do. So who will lead the league in points this year?

    “Give Koivu a Lifetime Contract”

  133. Xtrahabsfan says:

    Washington’s Ovechkin is my guess.

  134. moser17 says:

    I found this forum where the posters say that La Cage aux Sports has exclusive broadcasting rights to tonight’s game, and they’re showing it only in their restaurants on closed-circuit. But if you go to La Cage’s website they don’t list the game as playing, so it’s probably nonsense. It’s probably not being broadcast.

    Edit: I stand corrected: it looks like La Cage aux Sports is showing the game tonight, and so it’s probably on closed-circuit screens. Anyone in MTL could head on down. The locations are listed on their webpage.

  135. HabFab says:

    Okay,was worried you were still icing that groiner.

  136. Shadowhunter says:

    Could someone tell me at what time is the game?

  137. habs R my team says:

    Latendress is on a short list. the next time Carbo scratches him from the lineup( it happened a couple of times last year), because of his unwillingness to go into the corners, and also to go to the net, he’s finished. Someone said he’s only 21. Pacioretty is only 19, and heads and tails above him in maturity, skating, shooting, and INTELLIGENCE!

  138. showey47 says:

    cam is actually listed at 6’1″ and 218. It also took him 4 years to crack 30 plus goals. You can’t even compare him to lindros who was a first overall pick. I think lats will be a consistent 30 to 40 goal scorer in 2 years and will be an effective “power forward”

  139. Ian G Cobb says:

    JF–Jane, thanks for the RIS information. Read your profile, literacy teacher ah, boy could I teach you some of my expert vocabulary that I have learned on this site the last year and a half. I even know how to spell check.

    Hope you are going to the Summit, love to talk to you.

  140. HabFab says:

    I hope you don’t plan on spending the whole season laying around like that.

  141. moser17 says:

    lol, no, it’s just that Komi’s so good he has time to have a little lie-down before his victims cross the blue line.

  142. Pat8987 says:

    Your absolutely right, max is not as much a power forward as he is a sniper,

    I meant the Ideal Power forward

  143. moser17 says:

    170 posts already and it’s not even game time for a pre-season show that’s not on TV. HI/O posters rock.

  144. HabFab says:

    Believe Laps is safe due to his speed,size,ability to play wing or centre and his age.Further believe he is Begin’s successor on the team long term.

  145. JIMVINNY says:

    How about this; I’ll post a logical response when you manage to come up with a logical post. Deal?

  146. Pat8987 says:


    Look at your facts

    Both cam neely and keith tkachuk are 6’2″ over 220lbs…I’ve seen Cam, he is a big guy, and very very fit, not like been i saw beer belly lats (no offense)

  147. Rooster says:

    daigle was a first overall pick

    latts was a 44th overall pick

    most second round picks don’t make the big team at 19, most first round picks don’t make the team at 19.

    most second round pick 19 year olds don’t score 16 goals in their first two seasons with 3rd – 4th line ice time & without very much PP time

    Latts has more muscle now, and he is a faster skater now.

    the only team that is more improved from the 2005 draft is the pens, MTL added Price, Latts, D’agostini, Sergei Kostitsyn, and a few others (not as notable)

    Latts is already a much more established forward than Bobby ryan (2nd overall pick)

    he was also pretty physical last year….People need to lay off latts, and just watch him light the lamp this season.

    I think carbo should try out a 5 forward PP unit

    Latts / Koivu / Kovy (or tanguay)

    with lang & sergei on the point

    if he does something like this, or gives latts a decent ammount of PP time, we will see what latts can really bring to the table.

    ~Listen to the rooster! He knows what he’s saying!

  148. RS says:

    I expect that this is the last game for D’Agostini and Stewart before joining the Dogs.

  149. joeybarrie says:

    First off, Lats is bigger than both Cam Neely and Keith Tkachuk. His points look similar to Todd Bertuzzi. Both Neely and Tkachuk are smaller than your ideal power forward. Bertuzzi has only scored above 20 once in the last 4 years. WAIT TILL LATS IS IN HIS PRIME, then decide.

  150. RS says:

    Sure ain’t our full D!!!

    And we’re not going to see D’Agostini and Stewart in the lineup together this season unless there is a really really really wicked flu through the room.

  151. GHG33 says:

    Only two games that are televised are Leafs/Blues and Flames/Canucks.

    Therefore no Habs tonight.

    I guess Radio (www.cjad.com) will have to do.

    Drive For 25 Is Alive!

  152. Chuck says:

    For those of you planning on attending the HI/O Summit:

    Don’t forget to read Robert L’s latest post under the “Summit” tab at the top of the page for some important info.


  153. Chuck says:

    Uh, are you suggesting that Lats is fat?


  154. Pat8987 says:


    Why does everyone consider Lats a power forward? Think about this everyone, has the “power forward” name given by the French media convinced everyone that Lats is actually one? It’ simple, hockey players fall into categories for coaches, Gm’s and scouts. Snipers, playmakers, POWER FORWARDS are all (future 1st 2nd line material). Grinders, two-way players, fighters are all (3rd & 4th line material). Now that being said, it’s Lats seriously a POWER FORWARD?

    The following are descriptions of power forwards
    • Lays the body out
    • Brings the puck to the net with speed
    • Can score 20+ goals a year with ease
    • 6’3”+ 225lbs+ (muscle not fat) thats a true POWER FORWARD

    The following are examples of great POWER FORWARDS in their prime
    • Cam Neely
    • Kieth Tkacuk
    • Todd Bertuzzi
    • Eric Lindros

    Now is everyone still convinced Lats can crack the MTL lineup at a “POWER FORWARD”. Guess not. I say Lats either you start hitting and grinding it out, or drop your gloves, or else you can have an Alexander Dagle career!!

    I believe that mtl has a good as chance as anybody to win the Stanley cup, yet this will be done ONLY by have the best 23 players on the roster..

    A.Kost , Pleks, Kovy, Tanguay, Koivu, Higgins, Lang, S. Kost, Max-pac, Kost or chips, Lapierre, Laraque, Kost, Markov, Komi, Hammer, Georges, Cube, O’Bryne, Weber (in case of injury or else Brisebois) Price and halak

  155. Kristopher7 says:

    I have NHL ’09 on Xbox 360 :(

  156. Devin_G7 says:

    Good question, i know lapierre’s been getting in fights in his last two games so I dont think hes been getting a whole lot of ice time due to penalties, but if chipchura does have another strong game tonight, i would bet that lapierre’s spot on the 4th line would be at risk considering that lapierre is the only replaceable centre in the current starting lineup

  157. Kristopher7 says:


  158. Devin_G7 says:

    I have also watched a game on that website, but i believe the games are only streamed off that site if they are broadcasted on tv, so i’m not so sure that the game will be on that site tonight

  159. HabsProf says:

    No – we are approaching the end of training camp, when rosters get closer to the real thing. Especially given that so many of our regulars have yet to play a preseason game due to injuries, now is the time to get them into action.

    So long as he doesn’t aggravate the injury, Saku plays out the preseason.

  160. Rugger says:

    Didn’t see it mentioned – who is in Net tonight?

  161. ProHabs says:

    Hey guys, How is Lapierre doing. Is his job in jeopardy (to Chipchura) or is he having a pretty good camp and is a shoo-in to make the team. Thanks.

  162. Chuck says:

    Nice write-up on Red Fisher.

    I wonder what the chances would be of having a “Fisher” banner raised? :)


  163. HabFab says:

    Dude ,you said Great Power Forward in your original post.Think you are a victim of too much Lats talk here.It has been talked to death and since none of us have a say anyhow.Let’s wait and see what the team does.NEXT

  164. trembl27 says:

    Is there anyone here playing NHL 09 on PS3 ?

    Me and a friend are spending lots of time playing the be a pro mode online and we are looking for a few more teammates.

    Please reply here if you are interested in joining.. you can always email at trembl27 at hot male dot com (kidding, you should know the email ! )

  165. Rooster says:

    hmmm…I’m interested…I haven’t really played be a pro mode, more busy tearing up the league with pleks kovy and a kost in dynasty mode 😀

    while carey price sports a .933 SV% and a 1.34 GAA leading the league with like 3 or 4 shutouts

    Komisarek is actually leading my team in pts for dmen (like 35 assists) when do the leagues start?

    ~Listen to the rooster! He knows what he’s saying!

  166. HKisses says:

    If you want Add HKisses on PS3 network….I have a good club goign with three other friends , we are in 2nd division in 2 place…add me and you guys could join ours

  167. likehoy says:

    full lineup tonight? are we smarting the 8-3 loss?

  168. Rooster says:

    would I need a mic?

    ~Listen to the rooster! He knows what he’s saying!

  169. T-roy West says:

    I really doubt your real name is Chris Cane from Montreal considering the crap that your typing. A smart person would be fearful and give a false name. But of course your just kidding around…right?

  170. cautiousoptimist says:

    Alright guys, that’s enough with the hating on this guy — what are we up to now, 15 posts calling him names? We’re classier than that.

    1. http://www.flickeringpictures.com – not a hockey site, but still kinda neat
    2. Josh Gorges on Montreal’s attack: “They’re comin’, they’re comin’ and they keep comin’. Just line after line, wave after wave…”

  171. G-Man says:

    Your father was a hamster and your mother smelled… of elderberries!

    The French Taunter
    of Monty Python and the
    Holy Grail

  172. habs R my team says:

    well maybe he can’t be sent down due to waiver rules, but he certainly be traded. Now that we have a mature, power forward who can skate rings around Latalentless, we don’t need Latentless! He can’t skate(maybe like a tortoise), never stands in front of the net to screen the goalie, never fights, rarely scores, makes bad decisions, and has no idea what to do with the puck. totally useless, and plain dumb! Did I mention Pacioretty is english?

  173. Ramseys HIO Nightmares says:

    Every time you post, you erode away even further at your credibility.

  174. bidds55 says:

    you are an idiot.

    that’s all.

  175. Jim M says:

    “totally useless, and plain dumb!”

    Don’t be so hard on yourself. Leave that to us. You also left out that you’re ignorant.

  176. twocents says:

    Hey, I am having a touch of deja vu here.;)


  177. twocents says:

    A regular sand dune that one.

  178. Ramseys HIO Nightmares says:

    Sand dune in a hurricane.

  179. HabsProf says:

    It’s only preseason. We’ve had lots of preseason stars. Some continued to do well, but others flamed out (Jozef Balej, anyone?).

    Could be he is ready and will be successful from the start. Could be he isn’t. Hamilton is the safer move. Plus, dumping Lats gives up on him. By the standards of big men, he is still very early in his development curve. What is he: 21? Yes, his game needs a lot of work. But so did that of a lot of big men early on. He’s one who became, for a short period, perhaps the most dominant power forward in the league.

    Todd Bertuzzi
    age 20 76GP, 18g, 21a, 39pts
    age 21 64GP, 10g, 13a, 23pts
    age 22 74GP, 13g, 20a, 33pts
    age 23 32GP, 8g, 8a, 16pts
    age 24 80GP, 25g, 25a, 50pts

    Now I am NOT repeat NOT saying Lats will develop into a player of Bertuzzi’s skill. I am saying it takes the big guys a while to develop. Gui looked great in the preseason, but he needed time in the AHL; he wasn’t given it. Let’s take the safe road and give Max time in the AHL.

  180. HabFab says:

    Nah!!!!!Are you aware that Coyotes love to eat Cats,perhaps you can take that suggestion of yours and go visit the Phoenix web site .Being as you are more or less just a hockey fan and all.

  181. The Cat says:

    I have a hard time seeing Pacioretty get sent down, Im all for nurturing talent but he deserves his spot on the team. Hes playing the type of hockey we need. Could be time to trade Higgins…

  182. HabsWatcher says:

    did Hamrlik die?

  183. Gary320 says:

    More like a bit injured. He might just play the last pre season game, they dont want to aggravate his injury and make from day-to-day to weeks or months. Better safe than sorry.

    No Maxwell on the line up.. What does this mean?

  184. von says:

    That makes a lot of sense. Send Max- Pac down, and keep Latendresse up.

    Both PJ Stock and Pierre McGuire commented last night that Latendresse has had a poor training camp and hasn’t really showed any major improvements. So maybe he is a stride faster?

    He threw a check last night, and McGuire said that’s the “first thing” he’s seen him do since pre-season started.

    And all that babbling about how poor Latendresse is only 20… Max is 19 and showed more offensive abilities in preseason than Gui has shown in 2 years with the Habs. Even D’Agostini and Chipchura have been impressive.

    Time to trim the deadwood.

    “Obviously it would be great, but they don’t really hang conference titles in this rink. They raise Stanley Cup banners.” – Carey Price

  185. Gary320 says:

    That’s it. Pac is in Latendresse shoes two years ago, and Latendresse didn’t even go to the minors.. he wents straight to the team.. and Pac had a FAR better pre season then Gui did.. I think we need to give Pac the chance to be part of the squad.. Pierre McGuire himself said that there is no real point to put him in the minors for so long, like Carey Price you will be holding him back. The max is half a season for me.. then I think (unless he is just plain awful in the minors) we need to call him up..

  186. j2c says:

    I think this evaluation of the situation is correct. I think Max-Pac deserves to stay with the team for now. Him not playing tonight is a sign that he might be playing in the next game or he is going to be getting cut? The latter would just sound stupid after the camp he just had.

  187. Tom S. says:

    Not a lot of grit in this lineup. I can see the Bruins trying to goon it up with the absence of Komo. Tom the Bomb will be a busy guy tonight, especially if Lucic is in. Stewart will probably showcase his pugilistic talents if Carbo decides that the beating Begin received at the hands of Thornton needs to be addressed – and I believe it does.

  188. Le.Bon.Serge. says:

    I hope they will crush the Bruins tonite. They have to remind them the 8 victories from last year. They have to remind Julien, how I think is pretty arrogant when he beats us, that we are the best team. Lets just crush them, even if its not our full roster.

    “I told my brother I will score on the first shift…”

  189. moser17 says:

    maybe CJAD isn’t on a lag for once, and maybe RIS is lagging…?

  190. Ian Cobb says:

    Gary is RIs on Cable or Satalite dish, I have cable , Dead meat!!!

  191. moser17 says:

    GOAL!! (or so says CJAD)

    … 3:23 remains on the PP, AK27 sniped it, from what I can gather, blind as I am.

  192. showey47 says:

    channel 124 on bell expressvu buddy

  193. Drive_For_25 says:

    Kovy!! Kovy!! Kovy!!

  194. moser17 says:


  195. showey47 says:

    oh god it can’t be

  196. moser17 says:

    lol! No kidding. Weber is so sweet, though; man, he’s gotta get a spot on this roster … if he can set up Breezer I mean come on! He’s a freakin’ budding superstar!

  197. Drive_For_25 says:

    #1 PP third year in a row, callin it!!

  198. Yeats says:

    Good Breezer, good Breezer!

  199. habsfansince91 says:

    wow how fast are you guys at typing. i just saw the goal and everyone already commented on it. Beutiful shot by the way!!

  200. Ian Cobb says:

    Super star Brisbois, 1 goal, 1 assist

  201. habsfansince91 says:


  202. showey47 says:

    why do they keep showing these 2 guys on RIS while the game is still on?

  203. Ian Cobb says:

    Hi guys, can I get this game anywhere? Just got in, I turned on CJAD but can I get it on the computer or TV.

  204. Ian Cobb says:

    What is RIS?? SHOWEY

  205. Gary320 says:

    Hey Ian, if you’ve got RIS. You can watch it there. Not the greatest.. but atleast they are showing video. So Just put on the tube and the radio.. and ur fine.

  206. Gary320 says:

    I hope so… I would like to not see him come Oct 10.

  207. showey47 says:

    what a hit by obyrne

  208. Yeats says:

    Are you watching it live?

  209. showey47 says:

    yeah on RIS

  210. Corio says:

    Holy running commentary on RIS, just let us watch the game and comment without switching to the commentators every 5 seconds!

    Ya that hit by O’Byrne was nice.

  211. showey47 says:

    i know, it is pretty annoying.

  212. Corio says:

    I guess that’s the format, I just selected the channel tonight to watch on Illico..

  213. Ed says:

    Dandenault leads all Habs with 7:15 ice time in the first. There were games last year where he never had that for the whole game. Are they trying to showcase him, and hope it works out well.

  214. Marvin says:

    Why boo Ryder? It wasn’t his choice to leave the Habs, they basically pushed him out.

  215. Corio says:

    That was my feeling that they are trying to showcase him but who knows.

  216. moser17 says:

    Boone likes Chara? Could it be that he won’t get the middle “F” initial this season?

  217. showey47 says:

    cjad is lagging, about 5 seconds or so behind

  218. moser17 says:

    of course… lol

  219. habsfan reduxit says:

    …once again, the Bell Centre crowd is embarassing the vast majority of Habs fans. Can anyone out there explain to me just what Michael Ryder ever did to us that would justify the disgusting treatment he is receiving from the rink rabble tonight?

  220. HabsoluteFan says:

    They said something about not having the rights on the game so they can only show some segments

  221. showey47 says:

    and RIS breaks to commercial while the game is still playing on cjad? God i can’t wait to watch games on RDS

  222. HabsProf says:

    No clue. It is not like the guy dogged it last year.

    I’ve always hoped he will have success in the future (just not against Montreal).

  223. J.T. says:

    Oh, he will. Boone changes his mind more often than the bank changes dollars.


  224. Bugs says:

    Just got here.
    Sorry if this has been asked already,
    Anything streaming?
    Peace Out.
    Lord Bugs Potter, esq. Earl of Fluppitburg, Baron of Flopshlupshire and Knight of the Flannel Republic.

  225. HabsProf says:

    I like Chara as a person – he is apparently a nice guy.

    But I still say if the guy was only 6’1″ and 210, he wouldn’t be in the league.

  226. habsfansince91 says:

    well he scored 85 goals his first three years with us and then had a mediocre season last year!!!

  227. Ian Cobb says:

    He is not a HAB any longer, he is now the enemy from the rock.

  228. usversusthem says:

    Yeah, baby. Yeah.

  229. showey47 says:

    gui gui gui gui gui

  230. moser17 says:

    Gui!!! He feels the pressure from Max-Pac and the kids! The depth on this team is sick!

  231. moser17 says:

    Nothing. The whole bloody internet is dry. It’s playing on RIS.

  232. The Teacher says:

    And it’s preseason after all, everyone is nice.


  233. showey47 says:

    Well aren’t those 2 guys on RIS watching in on their laptop? Where are they getting it from?

  234. caper_5 says:

    I have bell, but no RIS. Must be just in Quebec?! I RDS & RDI oh well CJAD it is!

  235. GHG33 says:

    RIS = Really Incompetant Sports ???????

    Drive For 25 Is Alive!

  236. moser17 says:

    LOL, I don’t know! I don’t have RIS! I have the internet and no one is telling me where to go! I’ve been to the usual sites plus sites that look highly questionable for the last hour and a half and I can’t find anything!

  237. habsfan reduxit says:

    … c’mon Ian. There is never a reason, good or bad, to be rude to anyone. It makes the whole nation of Habs fans look bad in the eyes of all those people who are just waiting to find fault with us.

  238. Yeats says:

    Yep, Chaucer was way overmatched!

  239. moser17 says:

    LOL, HabsProf & Yeats, you two are awesome.

  240. Yeats says:

    I had a hockey coach who once tried to explain his forechecking scheme using the “chain rule.” I wasn’t the only one who was lost!

  241. HabsProf says:

    Oh did you play against us? Must have been on the English majors team.

  242. HabsProf says:

    These jokes are getting derivative.

  243. HabsProf says:

    In my college days, I was an engineering student. I wore e^i(pi).

    I know – what a dweeb.

  244. Yeats says:

    Let me guess, dy/dx was on the wing!

  245. moser17 says:

    We can start using decimals. On our college rec team a buddy had the name “Pythagoras” on his back and his number was 3.14

  246. Yeats says:

    Sometimes, you’re so obtuse!

  247. Gormdog says:

    How come my long winded topics always end up off topic :(

  248. Yeats says:

    You have a skill that few have, but that’s not a bad thing! Just look how we all took this thread in a direction you never dreamed of.

  249. HabsProf says:

    You’re working the wrong angle.

  250. HabsProf says:

    We can play “six degrees of separation” with your posts.

  251. Yeats says:

    As Archie Bunker would have said, “We’re all just letting our minds run rancid!”

  252. Gormdog says:

    So you think we will just not retire a jersey for 25 years? Seems kind of unlikely to me… Koivu will be, and is, the best choice and i personally think Habs Brass will dumb down the standards for capitaine K…

    If you think i’m wrong i’ll make the same bet with you :)

    Although you’d be wise to maybe set a time limit, unlike him, cuz that is just silly betting…

  253. Gormdog says:

    Lol, what can i say, when i post here it’s either one liners, rating other people’s jokes, or long winded (but poignant?) rants about a topic i’m passionate about…


    And i’m holding out for BOONES two cents, i need validation :)

  254. moser17 says:

    I think you’d better hope Koivu wins a cup, my friend, or your buddy took you to the cleaners. It’s a pretty weak case you’ve got there if Koivu goes cupless (without Stanley’s Mug, not, like, without a jock): 20 years down the road management retires his number to give the team a boost? Nope. Sounds like a bit of hyper-justification when you thought about that possibility, when really your money is in the Koivu-avec-Coupe. That said, if he does bring a cup here, I think he’s a shoe-in for an eventual jersey retirement, thus keeping future Habs in jerseys sporting the 20s and higher.

  255. TommyB says:

    You and your buddy both make good cases for Koivu’s number being retired. Let’s just win one and take it from there. Personally, I feel it is time to put a hold on all jersey retirements after this season. We will run out of numbers!!!

    Perhaps this is the idea behind the “ring of honor” I have heard a bit about.

  256. Bozo McBozo says:

    If you’re gonna post a freakin’ epic, let me know in advance. That post needs a score to accompany it. Here’s my suggestion on the fly:


  257. Gormdog says:


    I work at a bar and in a drunken haze i made what i think is a pretty good bet with a fellow habs fan. We wagered whether or not Koivu’s number will ever be retired by the Canadiens once he (obviously) retires. We both agreed that if the Habs win a cup in his tenure, we will see Koivu hanging from the rafters (unlike the others think that if he DOESN’T win a cup this year, it wont be just his jersey hanging from the rafters).

    Since we are both fun loving Habs fans who hate to have any reason to cheer against the good guys, he offered me 2-1 odds that koivu gets a banner “sans coupe”. I bumped it up to 3-1, so there we were shaking hands, my 100$ vs his 300$, and we both immedeatly walked away to go tell the other boys at the bar how we suckered eachother.

    HIS THEORY: That Koivu has no place on the Bell center rafters without a cup. Statistically he is miles behind the likes of the Richards, Mr. Beliveau, BG, the Flower, and even Patty Roy. These men, he stated, not only left their mark on the Canadiens but the entire league, something Koivu has not. Even if we have a great run, and resign Koivu making him the longest serving capitaine of the CH, sans coupe means salut sans numero. Being nice to the community, fighting off cancer, losing an eye, and being the heart and soul of a team thats been very up and down during his tenure… Does not a retired number make alone.

    MY THEORY: Outside the fact that Koivu rocks my socks and was very nice to me when I cornered him outside the Loews hotel during last years playoffs, I also don’t think he “should” have his number retired sans coupe. But then i take a glance at the rosters we’ve had in the Post-Roy era, and few players have been here even long enough to qualify as retirees, let alone can have arguments made for their retirement at all. In my mind, Koivu is a lock to be resigned barring a brutal season. This means he’ll be around for a few more years, with all of our young guys in their prime (cap spending pending!). If he DOESN’T win a cup, i’ll feel like the general air surrounding our current batch of “habs draftees with talent enough to put up 15 great years in the CH” (Pleks, Kost, Komi, Markov, Price) will be one of bitterness and a lack of success. If these boys dont have the good to bring together a cup, i have a feeling like many of them will be gone over the next half decade in this crazy salary cap era. Now imagine you are Habs brass in 15-20 years. You have not retired a number since the questionable-at-best induction of Patrick Roy, in the midsts of a slump in the organization, how do you increase interest/faith/pride in the CH? Of course, retire the number of the longest serving captain, who although he never won a cup, embodies everything else we’ve ever asked from a player, let alone our leader for a decade plus…

    Thoughts? Opinions? Who else of the current crop could we be discussing this about in 15 years?

    (As a side note, no time limit was every put on the bet, so i’ve already technically won because even in 50 years i could be hanging out with my betting buddy, after Koivu has embarassed himself at the end of his career by: getting caught dog sledding with a bad back/ faking an injury and writhing on the ice/ demanding more ice time and goes to see his agent/ hanging out with Pierre Dagenais in general… And still shouting “Theres still hope! Theres still hope! It took Boom Boom almost 40 years too!”)

  258. LatheDog says:

    From dog to dog: I honestly think retiring Koivu’s number 11 would steal a bit of thunder from #11 Kirk Muller, who won the Cup in ’93 with the Habs and from an old favourite of mine, #11 Ryan Walter, who also won the Cup with the Habs in ’86. These two players played with TONS of HEART and in my opinion just wouldn’t be right. I personally think Koivu picked the wrong number when he first came on the NHL scene! That number has too much history! Does anyone else agree???

  259. Yeats says:

    The B’s can’t win tonight. They’re all suffering from “scoreboard envy!”

  260. HabFab says:

    Scoreboard envy?Ahhhh!size matters…gotcha.Funnnee

  261. J.T. says:

    I hoped I’d never see Dandouillon on the ice for Montreal ever again.


  262. twocents says:

    Dandouillon. Brilliant!

  263. Gary320 says:

    Agreed.. but atleast we are seeing watchable live feed.. Just put on the radio too..

  264. showey47 says:

    yeah i know, it kind of sucks to watch. Hopefully RDS gets its act together next year for the pre-season. The best fans in the league deserve better.

  265. Yeats says:

    Murray Wilson is the Perry Como of hockey. If he were more relaxed, he’d be asleep!

  266. Harani says:

    Hey! I have bell xpressvu and on channel 124 they are recapping baseball….is anyone actually watching the game on RIS….coz the RIS I have is currently not showing it!

  267. Momesso_17 says:

    I have it on RIS too, and it’s probably the absolute worst airing of a hockey game I’ve ever seen. They show fleeting moments of the game, and the 2 announcers are talking well over the on-ice sounds. The camera keeps cutting from the ice to the 2 guys, and cutting from them to show highlights from everything else. It’s borderline unwatchable.

  268. Gary320 says:

    It will go back to back with the game. Just tune in.

  269. Ed says:

    Boone, who is Webert?

  270. VTHabsFan says:

    I can understand booing Chara because he’s the big dumb captain of of the evil B’s.

    Ryder I can’t understand. He didn’t get the same chances he had in earlier years. He didn’t get an offer from the habs. He wasn’t brought in by Gainey, he wasn’t one of the boys. Don’t boo him. He put in some good time for the habs.

    Honestly he didn’t fit in, but let him make a living.

  271. Harani says:

    No Power Plays yet….shots are 7-4!

  272. Mike says:

    just to clarify, is the game viewable online?

  273. HabFab says:

    Google RIS and it will tell local channel if applicable.

  274. Blitzen says:

    What? You`re not watching the Leaders’ debate? lol
    Mad Pax…Beyond Powerdome

  275. sidhu says:

    That depends on whether you look more like Palin, or more like McCain. If McCain, please send your bar tab to Mike Boone, c/o The Montreal Gazette, Montreal PQ

  276. Lee Hayes says:

    I’m in!!!!!

    Go Habs Go

  277. Drew42 says:

    Hey everyone,

    I know that there are quite a few people on here who are out west.

    Another poster (Habfan in Canuckland) brought up the idea of a mini Habs summit here in Vancouver to go see them hammer the Canucks in February.
    How many people would be interested in this idea??

    Please let me or “Habfan in Canuckland” know so we can all start trying to organize it!

    Contact either Habfan in Canuckland or myself: check contact info.

  278. sidhu says:

    Also, if there are any Hab fans in the DC area (or accessible by 95), contact me — I’d be happy to meet up and buy some rounds for everyone!

  279. Y says:

    I’d be very interested. What about tickets though? I’m pretty sure they are sold out…

  280. von says:

    Ya, Pierre said that if it was up to him, Max would make the team.

    “Obviously it would be great, but they don’t really hang conference titles in this rink. They raise Stanley Cup banners.” – Carey Price

  281. Le.Bon.Serge. says:

    Yep….but there were more bad players when Gui arrived….and the media was controlling the fans so much, that if they would have send him down, the town would have turn into a riot. They made a star from him, stealing Carbonneaus chant/nickname, for a guy that just made 3 bodychecks in one game. I think we see now that a lot of fans were blinded by the desire to have any french player on their roster…

    “I told my brother I will score on the first shift…” (SK74)

  282. Kristopher7 says:

    You know what would be sick, if Patch did something ridiculous like get a hat trick against the Wild on Saturday lol 😛

  283. Habhopeful says:

    I was listening to Team 990 During the 1:15 this afternoon and they played a clip of Carbo saying there just giving Patch a day off…

    “We get nose jobs all the time in the NHL, and we don’t even have to go to the hospital.”
    ~Brad Park.

  284. cautiousoptimist says:

    Monsieur G-Man, I blow my nose at you!

    1. http://www.flickeringpictures.com – not a hockey site, but still kinda neat
    2. Josh Gorges on Montreal’s attack: “They’re comin’, they’re comin’ and they keep comin’. Just line after line, wave after wave…”

  285. Drew42 says:

    Well once we know how many of us there are, then we can find out whats possible.

    At the very least, we could all just meet up at a pub/ sports bar and watch the game and have some drinks.

  286. HabsProf says:

    They definitely add to the mean streak. After all, you only have to flip two letters to change “marital” into “martial”.

  287. Gary320 says:

    Hopefully if a trade is made, we get a player who is more valuable and stays with us longer than Mr. Ninnnimamamamaabananas.

  288. sidhu says:

    What’s the latest on BGL? I’m headed to the game on Saturday and am hoping to see him suit up (and subsequently pound some poor Minnesota player).

    (Incidentally, the last time I made the trek up to Montreal for a game, it was announced that Riberio was traded for Niinimaa.)

  289. Skotbot says:

    I just read the article on the Habs on NHL.com

    When will the outside media give AK47 his dues?

    They keep stating Tanguey will play with Plecs & Kovy..

    Do I listen to pop music because I am miserable?
    Or am I miserable because I listen to pop music?

  290. Tom S. says:

    Skotbot – do you mean AK46 or AK74?

  291. RS says:

    Our top 9 forwards are set, and they include Gui. We have a bunch of muckers that can play on the fourth line (Lapierre, Begin, Tom the Bom, BGL, Chip). We also have some good prospects. Pacioretty has jumped to the top of that list. End of story.

  292. saskhab says:

    I remember a couple years back that Latendresse was given a night off before he signed his contract. Some thought the decision was made to send him back to junior, but in reality, the decision had already been made to keep him around. So him not playing tonight doesn’t mean he’s going to Hamilton. He might still play on Saturday so they decided to give him tonight’s game off. I don’t think MaxPac will (or should) start in Montreal, but I don’t know how team management views it.

    I guess Maxwell and Henry were just kept around to practice with the guys… both, as expected, will be sent to Hamilton, but after the Monday cuts, neither will play in 2 exhibition contests. I guess we know where they rank on the depth chart.

    Should be interesting to see if the team makes more cuts before heading to Mont Tremblant, or wait until after the final preseason game on Saturday.

  293. nightmare_49 says:

    Not sure about Maxwell but the french press say that Henry has a bad back and is taking treatment.

  294. T-roy West says:

    Man some of you guy’s are worse then some of the over the top media in Montreal. Take a chill pill. We have three pretty good scoring lines without Pac’s and it’s not like Lats is on the first two lines. Do I think Pac’s has more upside then Lats…of course but Pacs played in the NCAA last year so there is nothing wrong with him starting in Hamilton. He has a good head on his shoulders and will make the guys around him in Hamilton better. There is no need and were not that desperate that we need rookies to steal a veterns spot and why is it that people don’t take Carbo’s word for as exactly what it says. If he says that no rookies are getting on this team at the start of the season then they won’t be(Chipchura is the exception to the rule here). Debate all you want guys about Lats and Pacs but Montreal has so many options this year and potential line combo’s that I don’t think Gainey and Carbo are saying….”oh jeez what are we going to do, Lats or Pacs”. Not very likely. I think I’ll just sit back and watch as Gainey makes the right decisions, as usual! Go Habs Go!

  295. Sami says:

    Well put. I trust Bob and Carbo’s decisions. And I hope those on this site CHEER for our Canadiens, and not slog them through the mud.

  296. habs R my team says:

    it’s the media that put Latendresse here because he’s french! If he was english, never happens! Too bad the language has to be played. Any other team, and he’s still in the minors! It’s too bad the media influences management decisions!

  297. twocents says:

    I does work nicely his way with the brothers’ numbers being reversed. I think I’ve made the same mistake.

  298. Gormdog says:

    I didnt really think of kirk is work to be honest, but since there have never even been remote whispest of a jersey retirement for him… i dont know if the stealing thunder is applicable 😉

  299. Habhopeful says:

    Uh oh higgins got hit in the back of the leg with the puck, said he was still down…He should be alright…

    “We get nose jobs all the time in the NHL, and we don’t even have to go to the hospital.”
    ~Brad Park.

  300. Ian Cobb says:

    Another superstar scores.

  301. Bugs says:

    Gui! Gui! Gui!
    Keep’em comin’, Gui. I’m one of those who DOESN’T want you gone.
    You can do it, kid!
    You too, Higgy.
    Peace Out.
    Lord Bugs Potter, esq. Earl of Fluppitburg, Baron of Flopshlupshire and Knight of the Flannel Republic.

  302. habsfansince91 says:


  303. Yeats says:

    As long as he interprets it as Gui, Gui, Gui, he is fine. It’s when he hears Guy, Guy, Guy that his game goes off the tracks.

  304. GHG33 says:

    Go Higgy!

    Drive For 25 Is Alive!

  305. Exit716 says:

    When does Julien send out his goons?

  306. caper_5 says:

    There called his 2nd, 3rd & 4th lines

  307. Ian Cobb says:

    This is going to be a year to remember boys and girls, savor the flavour.

  308. moser17 says:

    It tastes like pizza and beer on this end. LOL

  309. Bugs says:

    I hope it’s peach flavor.
    Thass me favorite!
    En avant, la Flannelle!
    Peace Out.
    Lord Bugs Potter, esq. Earl of Fluppitburg, Baron of Flopshlupshire and Knight of the Flannel Republic.

  310. subdoxastic says:

    chicken frico! Just like Mamere used to make….

  311. Harani says:

    Show em’ who’S boss! YAY!! This game is awesome….not to mention….I hate watching it on RIS…worst broadcasting ever of a hockey game!

  312. J.T. says:

    I guess all the Bruins fans who were claiming the Bs had solved the Montreal PP didn’t anticipate their team completely forgetting the solution over the summer.


  313. Bugs says:

    You witty, funny bastich!
    Thas good.
    You made me spit some beer out, mate. That was Sleeman’s Silver Creek, I’ll have you know, sir.
    But it was worth it.
    Peace Out.
    Lord Bugs Potter, esq. Earl of Fluppitburg, Baron of Flopshlupshire and Knight of the Flannel Republic.

  314. Octavius says:

    Don’t forget that Montreal has changed the formula of their power play.

  315. Bugs says:

    So I guess there’s no live stream anywhere?
    Lord Bugs Potter, esq. Earl of Fluppitburg, Baron of Flopshlupshire and Knight of the Flannel Republic.

  316. habsfansince91 says:

    well you can listen to the game on http://www.cjad.com.
    its 5 seconds behind but its better than nothing.

  317. Yeats says:

    There are many, but they’re for fishing, not for hockey!

  318. GHG33 says:

    You guess correctly.

    Drive For 25 Is Alive!

  319. twocents says:

    Bugs, are you a movie fan?

  320. showey47 says:

    I wonder if la cage is gonna offer the free wings after 5 goals again this season, if so its gonna be another rough season for the chicken population in quebec

  321. Propwash says:

    Cant drink here, i’m on painkillers……out of ALL people to EPICALLY FAIL playing BADMINTON and severely spraining their ankle…..it had to be me.

  322. caper_5 says:

    Beer here!!

  323. Gormdog says:

    Why is everyone so SUPRISED we are BOOING RYDER?

    Being the best goalscorer on bad team doesn’t buy you an immunity ticket from the Habs fans legitimate gripes with a player. The Habs got better, Ryder didn’t, and ended up in the pressbox and rightly so. He seemed pretty complacent about it, and on the nights he did play i definitly did not see the drive of a player supposed to be on the bubble…

    THEN, he goes, and signs for more money, for the enemy?

    If i were there i would boo him, not because i think he’s a bad guy, or a bad player, but because it’s my right as a Habs fan to boo anyone i think did not give us 100% and then went and danced with the Devil.

    I mean.. we boo guys who have won CUPS for us while wearing our colours (Breezer). We’ve booed guys who won MVP awards wearing out colours (Theodore). And now everyone is all suprised at how “classess” we are for booing a guy who is sleeping with the enemy? What ARE you supposed to boo these days?

  324. LeGrosBill says:

    RDS website is saying Savard is being put on the trading block? Iy’d be easier to hate the Bruins if their owner wasn’t so cheap. As it stands, pity is closer to what I feel for them…

  325. Exit716 says:

    He has a hell of an agent though that could translate a 14 goal season into a $4 million per year contract.
    Does anyone here miss Souray?

  326. Exit716 says:

    Hey, they can’t sell out their rink nor can they charge the money that the Habs can and we have a lower payroll than them too.
    It’s economics. It looks like the Ottawa genius Chiarelli isn’t that great of a GM after all.

  327. Yeats says:

    If Murray Wilson decides to sing a lullaby, I’ll be out like a light in two minutes.

  328. HabsProf says:

    I feel he did give us 100%. I think he was just as perplexed as the rest of us. Once you start to doubt yourself, you hesitate. Hesitation can look like a loss of drive, a lack of effort.

    He isn’t offered a contract – he’s supposed to turn down a fat contract with the enemy?

    Ryder does something worth booing, I’ll be hooting the loudest. I just don’t see that any of this justifies booing.

    My humble opinion.

  329. J.T. says:

    Yay! It’s Koivu’s first candyass hook of the season! How I’ve missed this team!


  330. usversusthem says:

    God I’d forgotten all about those. Brings a nostalgic smile to my face.

  331. moser17 says:

    Sweet, “up close and personal” with Brisebois on CJAD during the second intermission.

  332. HabFab says:

    Did you see Souray playing pylon in the Calgary victory highlights last night?

  333. Bugs says:

    The guys on CKAC just finished saying that going in to the third with a three-goal lead is to the Boys’ advantage. Oh really?
    Peace Out.
    Lord Bugs Potter, esq. Earl of Fluppitburg, Baron of Flopshlupshire and Knight of the Flannel Republic.

  334. Bugs says:

    Hey, at least it was on Ryder.
    Peace Out.
    Lord Bugs Potter, esq. Earl of Fluppitburg, Baron of Flopshlupshire and Knight of the Flannel Republic.

  335. usversusthem says:

    The Leafs (edit: Laffs) are being pasted 5-1 by the Blues… Grabovski their only scorer. So glad I’m a Habs fan these days… damn.

  336. LeGrosBill says:

    Economics granted, but if 78 points in 74 games is not worth $5M per annum these days, I’m not sure how much they expect to pay for that type of production.

  337. OptimusKovy27 says:

    Not sure if this was posted before but the game is on RIS as well. They are showing most of it.

  338. Gormdog says:

    If he was giving us 100% out there last season, it’s a miracle he managed to pot 60 in his first two seasons. Means he was just a product of his linemates, then turns around and signs with the #1 or #2 enemy of Montreal. He knew what he was getting himself into. In europe, players who leave for free agency in soccer always, and catagorically, get booed when they come back and play at home unless they were truely heroes before they left.

    I’m not saying Ryder “deserves” to be booed, but i don’t think he did enough for us to merit any protection either…

  339. GHG33 says:

    Shall henceforth be known as the Really Incompetent Sports channel.

    Drive For 25 Is Alive!

  340. twocents says:

    Hey Bugs, I’m curious, do you like movies? This isn’t a lead up to a joke.

  341. Chorske says:

    Wow, just tuned in.

    Breezer and Gui haters: SIT DOWN.

  342. Bugs says:

    Funny you mention that 2cents. This is what I had added but deleted:
    “Oh no,no,no. I’d MUCH rather be DOWN 0-3 going into the third. Hey, it worked for the Caners against Theodore, remember?”
    Thought it would spoil the comment.
    But that was the joke.
    Peace Out.

    Lord Bugs Potter, esq. Earl of Fluppitburg, Baron of Flopshlupshire and Knight of the Flannel Republic.

  343. usversusthem says:

    While we’re interviewing him…

    Hey Bugs, I’m curious, why is your internet persona an obscure Gordon Korman character?

  344. twocents says:


  345. Bugs says:

    True DAT, mate.
    I concur. I’m a concurer on that. I’m concur.
    Anybody else feel concurisive?
    Concur if you do.
    Peace Out.
    Lord Bugs Potter, esq. Earl of Fluppitburg, Baron of Flopshlupshire and Knight of the Flannel Republic.

  346. Ian Cobb says:

    After Brisbois’s sweater goes to the rafters, he wants to race formula 1 cars. Interview to-night.

  347. moser17 says:

    yah, well, he might get his 1000th game … dunno about his 400th goal ….

  348. JD says:

    I hope we all feel this happy 2 months from now and continue to feel as good as last season after that.

  349. Bugs says:

    At first, I thought “Gordon Korman?”…and then it hit me.
    WELL DONE! Well done, Versus.
    You know that the answer to that is the question itself:
    Who is Bugs Potter?
    Peace Out.
    Lord Bugs Potter, esq. Earl of Fluppitburg, Baron of Flopshlupshire and Knight of the Flannel Republic.

  350. moser17 says:

    I agree with you Mike: leave Ryder alone. He paid his dues by sitting in the pressbox (i.e. “The Ryder”) last year, and he was always a class act. Maybe the fans just need some time, a la Chelios and Roy.

  351. Chorske says:

    Careful or you’ll give yourself a concurssion. 😉

  352. GHG33 says:

    Here here. Cheers.

    Drive For 25 Is Alive!

  353. moser17 says:

    Like William the Concurer.

  354. HabFab says:

    And let’s put that sock back in the drawer…the big toe is sticking out.

  355. showey47 says:

    How long before the gooning starts? I wish BGL was playing

  356. Gormdog says:

    I’ll boo almost anyone who goes from the Habs to the Bruins. Why shoudldnt i? Being a class act doesn’t change the fact he was lazy in his own end and decided to play against us 8 times a year.

  357. habsfansince91 says:

    agree with you to. the guy scored 85 goals in his first three years with the team. the last player to do that was……i don’t even think i was ld enough to remember whoever it was.Give the guy some respect

  358. twocents says:

    Just for the fun of it, I’d like us to pile on a bit. 6-0 anybody?

  359. Remy92 says:

    Here’s something… do the Habs have an official youtube site???????????????

  360. Bugs says:

    If I concurtrate, I’m in complete concurd.
    But I appreciate your concurn.
    Peace Out.
    Lord Bugs Potter, esq. Earl of Fluppitburg, Baron of Flopshlupshire and Knight of the Flannel Republic.

  361. RudeMood19 says:

    damn 3-1

  362. Ed says:

    It’s 6 regular season games this year.

  363. GHG33 says:

    Frickin Chara :(

    Drive For 25 Is Alive!

  364. moser17 says:

    I’d like to say I see your point, Gormdog, but I don’t. I don’t know, it seems like he didn’t choose to be traded. But if it’s just a rule to boo someone who moves from the Habs to the Bruins, well, I guess he meets your criterion. Anyway, you seem to be carrying the “Boo Ryder” torch on the posts this evening, so, hey, more power to ya, dog.

  365. usversusthem says:

    “…You’re Bugs Potter?!?!

    Hilarious. Seems like only yesterday that stuff seemed like high literature.

  366. Gormdog says:

    You over sensitives guys really get me going today, BOONE included…

    It is not DISRESPECT to boo him, its DISSATISFACTION, theres a huge difference. As fans we can – and will – boo players we arent happy with. Ryder puts up a trash season (which everyone blames on carbo, pretty chicken and egg to me), and then goes and plays for the bad guys. Why CAN”T we boo him exactly?

  367. Ed says:

    Right, you put the hex on Halak. It’s a good thing for you this is only preseason.

  368. Gormdog says:

    haha… i’m not carrying a torch, just having a good time playing devil’s advocate. Not getting booed in montreal is a priviledge, not a right :)

  369. twocents says:

    Mark Recchi?

  370. twocents says:

    It’s the only reason I risked it.:)

    Anyway, Boone had already let that cat out of the bag.

  371. showey47 says:

    6-1 blues spanking the laffs

  372. moser17 says:

    Brodeur earns a pre-season shutout. Why do they even play that man in the pre-season? They burn him at both ends five ways from sideways every single year. He’ll get you 35 wins for sure. Just give him a rest! Whatever. Burn him out. Better for us.

  373. habsfansince91 says:

    well im only seventeen so i don’t really remember the canadiens much before the 1999 season. 😉

  374. showey47 says:

    on 12 shots

  375. GHG33 says:

    he wants to play, he loves hockey.

    Drive For 25 Is Alive!

  376. moser17 says:

    yah, I know, you’re right. It just seems like the main worry with him is how burned out he gets by the time the playoffs roll around.

  377. Ian Cobb says:

    From a hero to a bum in an hour.

  378. GHG33 says:

    Some funny stuff for your viewing pleasure:


    Drive For 25 Is Alive!

  379. Sith says:

    Who picks a penalty in the O-zone. blah…

  380. Gormdog says:

    eloquence aside, finally someone who thinks like me :)

  381. GHG33 says:

    I don’t think you have to worry.. look at his career! :)

    Drive For 25 Is Alive!

  382. D-man says:

    Halak.. Halak it a lot

  383. moser17 says:

    “He just dives!”

  384. GHG33 says:

    LOL! nice one.

    Drive For 25 Is Alive!

  385. GHG33 says:

    “I lift his stick and he goes down like a sack of potatoes!”………Classic!

    Drive For 25 Is Alive!

  386. twocents says:

    It seems Gorges is being checked out for the #4 D role.

  387. showey47 says:

    “Gregory Stewart is an NHLer … but maybe not here.”-boone. He will be an nhl’er here. He will replace either begin/t.k. after this season

  388. habsfansince91 says:

    “you still got it breezer”

  389. Ian Cobb says:


    BRING ON MINN, Oct.4—Last pre season game.

  390. Keith says:

    And the crowd is going apee over another W!!!

  391. habsfansince91 says:

    is that game being televised??

  392. moser17 says:

    Right on, Ian. Let’s get the Regular Season going.

  393. GHG33 says:

    It will be on RDS.ca (free) I know.

    Drive For 25 Is Alive!

  394. showey47 says:

    i believe rds is showing that game against the wild

  395. Ian Cobb says:

    No, see ya here.!

  396. Ian Cobb says:

    O maybe, sorry

  397. moser17 says:

    Yep, and it’s being broadcast online, too, methinks. Mehopes.

  398. Bugs says:

    What exactly are you implying? …oh, Versus… oh, sir.
    Hand me a set a drums and we’ll see what’s what.
    Peace Out.
    Lord Bugs Potter, esq. Earl of Fluppitburg, Baron of Flopshlupshire and Knight of the Flannel Republic.

  399. twocents says:

    “You still got it Breezer”

  400. Exit716 says:

    I thought they had four fourth lines…

  401. Bugs says:

    I’m talkin’ video, baby.
    I’m listening to CKAC at the moment.
    Peace Out.
    Lord Bugs Potter, esq. Earl of Fluppitburg, Baron of Flopshlupshire and Knight of the Flannel Republic.

  402. Bugs says:

    Peace Out.
    Lord Bugs Potter, esq. Earl of Fluppitburg, Baron of Flopshlupshire and Knight of the Flannel Republic.

  403. Bugs says:

    Peace Out.
    Lord Bugs Potter, esq. Earl of Fluppitburg, Baron of Flopshlupshire and Knight of the Flannel Republic.

  404. Yeats says:

    It was an empty-netter, I had to put it in. My apologies.

  405. travelsized says:

    Yay, way to go Habs! :)

  406. moser17 says:

    Wow! Gui! 1st Star!
    Breezer 3rd Star!

    (Halak Attack 2nd)

  407. GHG33 says:

    You have it reversed. 😛

    Drive For 25 Is Alive!

  408. twocents says:

    Geez, I wonder if Breezer and Gui! were reading HIO today.

  409. tony d says:

    1st the stock market crashes, then my least favorite Habs are named stars of the night (Lats and Breezer)
    yikes what’s next???

  410. moser17 says:

    LOL, “And I saw, and behold, a pale horse, and its rider’s name was Death, and Hell would have followed with him but it recently froze over”.

  411. Xtrahabsfan says:

    You admit you were wrong,lol.

  412. Ian Cobb says:

    Tony ! I thought you knew this game. Brisbois & Latts are super stars incognito.

  413. Bugs says:

    Gui! Gui! Gui! Gui! Gui!
    And the Breeeezer!
    Gui! Gui! Gui! Gui! Gui!
    Way to go, kid. Fight, fight, fight!
    Fight for your spot, kid.
    Peace Out.
    Lord Bugs Potter, esq. Earl of Fluppitburg, Baron of Flopshlupshire and Knight of the Flannel Republic.

  414. tony d says:

    LOL…ahhh good one
    g’night everybody…sweet dreams

  415. Ed says:

    The Three Stars – OH OH, Kalak #2, Guess who was #1 (Brisebois) & #3 (Latendresse). Can this carry over to the regular season? Brisebois logged a lot of ice time, being a close 2nd to Josh Gorges.

    Sounds like the fans in Montreal are having a great time in the preseason. The regular season should be just pure madness. WOW!

  416. moser17 says:

    Damn! You’ve got my number tonight, GHG33.

  417. habsfor25 says:

    the fans seem to boo anyonne who played for the candiens and changed team I think Ryder deserves a little more respect

  418. moser17 says:

    whoa there! You’ll get Gormdog started! lol

  419. Julie2812 says:

    Hi guys!
    I wasn’t able to watch the game so can someone tell me how Chipchura did tonight?

  420. habs R my team says:

    the game vs Minn on Saturday is being televised on RDS.

  421. Xtrahabsfan says:

    Jeezus,you think with the popularity around the world with the World Famous Canadien someone would of done a better job of telecasting tonight’s freaking game,it’s a noooo brainerrrr !!!

  422. Gary320 says:

    On the whole Ryder booing stuff.

    IF you paid 50 and some cases 150 bucks to go watch a game, I think you should chant what ever the hell you feel like towards a player of the opposing team or even your time, as long as it’s not racial or really offensive. You paid the money, and it’s live.. your aloud to do it.

    Whats the difference between this and booing Theodore or booing Hossa yesterday?

    You paid.. your aloud to do it.. he’s a Bruin now.. If they wanna boo let them boo…

  423. HabsProf says:

    There is what you are allowed to do – and what you should do.

  424. Tharsis says:

    I agree. I was sad to see him go but he is a bruin now. The fans should boo everyone on the opposing team in my mind,use the home-ice advantage…to our advantage.


    Fate leads the willing, and drags along the reluctant.

  425. Bugs says:

    There I go!
    Concurrin’ again.
    Call me Conrad Concur Conklin.
    Peace Out.
    Lord Bugs Potter, esq. Earl of Fluppitburg, Baron of Flopshlupshire and Knight of the Flannel Republic.

  426. habsfor25 says:

    yah but it’s kindoff disrespectful booing the American anthem it’s shows no class and booing players like hossa for absolutely no reason but everybody is entitled to there own opinion

  427. moser17 says:

    Yah, I still don’t know. I pay money to get into lots of places, and that doesn’t mean I can act like a classless yahoo when I’m there. Don’t get me wrong, I love exhuberant hockey fans. I just don’t see the force of anyone’s argument here tonight as to why Michael Ryder should be booed so exclusively and so heavily.

  428. Chorske says:

    I don’t buy it. Paying to see a game doesn’t entitle you to abandon normal standards of class and common decency. I don’t get this BS sense of entitlement.

    Ryder never gave us the finger. He never complained. He suffered through a bad season with class. He was our top scorer for several years running. He has said he has good memories of his time here. So there is no reason to boo him.

  429. Number31 says:

    I don’t like booing…

    At the game versus the Panthers, they were booed when they came on and booed when they scored, which to me makes it sound like they’re booing Price who definitely doesn’t deserve that.

  430. Gormdog says:


    (translation – Boooooooooooooooo)

  431. moser17 says:

    lol! There he goes! (But he doesn’t have a torch!)

  432. Bugs says:

    A little sidenote, friends and neighbours:
    Tonight, it was D’Agostini’s turn to uuhhh…”not shine”, let’s say. No matter what, if our fan-evaluation is based on these preseason matches, we must INCLUDE this match into D’Ago’s (hey, fitting! no offense intended) evaluation.
    Point is,
    Can’t get too low on the cat, but can’t get too high either.
    Same should apply to the Packinator (or whatever you wanna name’im).
    I love the kid too. But it was ONE game more than the firsts. And no more than Gui showed 2 years ago in training camp, when HE was the best prospect and was still sent to (where?) Drummondville?
    The kid who came through tonight? Halak.
    But we knew that he would.
    Let Max von Paco (or whatever you wanna call’im) light it up in Hamilton and like Sergei, I’m quite sure we’ll see him sooner rather than later.
    May he have the same effect on Gui as Sergei had on his big bro.
    Peace Out.
    Lord Bugs Potter, esq. Earl of Fluppitburg, Baron of Flopshlupshire and Knight of the Flannel Republic.

  433. HabFab says:

    Bulldogs beat the Marlies tonight in St John’s 3-1 also.Trotter,Beauregard and Gulmac goals.

  434. twocents says:

    Great! Thanks for the update Habfab.

  435. HabsProf says:

    I’m interested in Julie2812’s question: how did Chipchura do tonight?

  436. twocents says:

    Bugs, I am not trying to be a jerk. I am only looking for a sign. Are you a big fan of Springsteen?

  437. Julie2812 says:

    hopefully we’ll get an answer!

  438. The M says:

    do stewart or latendresse have to pass through waivers to go down?

  439. moser17 says:

    Dunno. The only time Boone mentions him in a post is before the first goal of the game: “Lang 4-1 on faceoffs. Chipchura 1-3.”

  440. Les-Habitants says:

    Awesome to see the result.

    Was wondering if anyone wouldn’t mind giving me some sort of review of the Higgins – Koivu – Tanguay line? I know it’s the first night playing a game for all three, but considering that how did they play?

    Also, how was Chip, Stewart and Dandy?

  441. joeybarrie says:

    Lats wont go down.

  442. twocents says:

    Stewart no. Lats yes.

  443. Xtrahabsfan says:

    IF the Habs lost Lats on waivers he will be our next John Leclair and that’s something I’ll bet large $ WITH ANYONE!!!

  444. Julie2812 says:

    Agree. Otherwise, there would be massive complaints from the French-speaking Quebecois (which I am a part of, but some of them are just so irrational!) I would much rather keep Chipper than Lats.

  445. Julie2812 says:

    Please Bob Gainey, get rid of Dandenault.

  446. HabsProf says:

    Dandy had a pretty strong game tonight.

  447. HabFab says:

    Game summary has him 2/8(25%)face-offs,1 penalty,12:46 playing time,1 hit,1 giveaway,1 shot,0 +/- if that helps any.

  448. HabFab says:

    Believe it to be between Chips and Dandy for last position.

  449. nightmare_49 says:

    2 – Why does Lats have to go thru waivers , he’s in his 3rd year.

  450. HabFab says:

    Has played over 160 NHL games including play offs .Actually has 161 games in ,close but no cigar.

  451. twocents says:

    HabFab has it right.

  452. joeybarrie says:

    I like Lats. I couldn’t care less that he is French Canadien. He will have a good season. He has obviously worked on his weakness’ and he has alot of heart.

  453. Julie2812 says:

    Ok but either way he’s disposable. Not a big Dandy fan.

  454. Habs Fan in Hogtown says:

    The Dog’s are in NFLD playing in the Iceberg Cup. Here’s a link to the game recap in the Spectator for anyone who’s interested…


  455. HabFab says:

    Sorry twocents,see question was to you.AM absolutely getting sick of that question,no offense Bryan.

  456. Julie2812 says:

    Thanks! Not really great stats. Faceoffs are still killing him.

  457. HabFab says:

    Check out the Sorry Leaf Nation…in the Other Stories column.

  458. twocents says:

    No problem, I thought I would just show courtesy and reply to nightmare.

  459. Number31 says:

    I’m not a fan of his either but he does know how to hustle. It’s not like he’s ruining the team…
    the notwithstanding clause – The general consensus of an ordinary Habs fan in Montreal

  460. Bugs says:

    I’m also kinda happy Josef Balei didn’t make the club.
    Peace Out.
    Lord Bugs Potter, esq. Earl of Fluppitburg, Baron of Flopshlupshire and Knight of the Flannel Republic.

  461. Number31 says:

    Hooray for Chips!

  462. HabFab says:

    But it is either him or your Chips…can only carry 23 players on roster.

  463. nightmare_49 says:

    HabFan – Your right the playoff games count so we’re stuck with him , more reason for me to be pissed off with Carbo.

  464. Jim M says:


    Like you needed one more reason. :)

  465. twocents says:

    Jim, you took the words right out of my mouth. Or out of my fingers. :)

  466. G-Man says:

    Didn’t he score tonight?

    2008/09 is the season of the Habs

  467. Jim M says:


    As soon as Bryan can get out of his rocking chair, he’ll respond.

  468. Ed says:

    Here is a pretty detailed report on Hamilton’s 3-1 win over Toronto tonight in St. John’s. The article also says that their preseason games are available online.


  469. twocents says:

    I think he and Bob are kicking back in their favourite rockers right now and talking cuts.

  470. HabFab says:

    Sorry was just listening to the Score and them calling the Laffs an AHL level team…love it.If any consolation to you, believe it is his make or break season.Am also curious as to why Carbo doesn’t give him a shot at RW ,apparently his natural position.

  471. db says:

    I cant seperate game comments from rants and Q & A… but I probably agree with most of you.

    The crowd was way better tonight, the difference from last night was felt as soon as you walked in. This is Kovy’s house. Spiderman (Webber) stays. Higgins can fly and Lats is much faster and needs to shoot! blablabla

    go habs go.

    21273 makes me smile.

  472. HabFab says:

    I believe he is refilling his glass.Smart move.

  473. Jim M says:


    Toronto had their chance to be a contender and let it slip away. When Ken Dryden was the Pres. of the leafs, he tried to hire Gainey and higher-ups said no. Then they refused to hire Bowman because he wanted carte blanche.
    They never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. Poor schmucks.

  474. The Teacher says:

    The one half empty or half full? 😉


  475. Jim M says:

    Hey Teach

    How’s your back?

    I see you’re keeping out of squabbles lately.

  476. The Teacher says:

    Hey Jim,

    I’m doing great, and yeah just reading for the most part for now, everyone just keeps going in circles. I’ll stay out of it until the season starts, I don’t want to get dizzy 😉


  477. habs R my team says:

    I heard Bouillon was injured. What’s the injury?

  478. The M says:

    i wasn’t aware that playoff games counted, that’s why i was curious Latendresse couldn’t be sent down. gee too bad we made the playoffs.

    as for stewart, we’ll see him around

  479. JMoney says:

    what if the odd man out turns out to be lapierre or begin?? you gotta love begin for his hustle and heart, but the fact that he has injury problems every season makes him a little more expendable.

    However, I do agree that Dandenault should be the odd man out, but he kept his head up and was a respectable hab the whole time he was here, Gainey needs to find a way to keep him in the NHL, either with us or via trade/waivers. He deserves better than Hamilton after everything he’s done for us (being moved from forward to defence, being a healthy scratch without complaining, etc)…

    Other players see these kinds of things and makes them more willing to play here. When you know your GM/coach will respect you, you are more willing to go all out for them.

  480. twocents says:

    Bite your tongue.

  481. HabFab says:

    Yes ,they are consistent over the past 41 years and 4-5 owners during that period.Did you get a chance to read Howard Bergers diss of Toronto’s sports culture?And I thought him to be one of the biggest “make believers”

  482. Jim M says:


    Glad to hear you’re doing good. I’m afraid there won’t be too much to bitch about this year. The troll population has almost disappeared. I sort of miss them, and I never thought I’d say that.

  483. twocents says:

    Oh, I think there are some new prospects but there still rounding out their game.

  484. HabFab says:

    Because of age and size plus style of play see Lapierre of being Begins long term replacement and that I would be extremely surprised to see Steve back next year.And don’t get me wrong ,I like them all.It is just a matter of numbers and long term planning.

  485. Jim M says:

    Gainey will do the right thing. You can count on it.

  486. The Teacher says:

    Heartbreak, knowing he’s gone next year and he’ll be booed mercilessly for nothing at all.


  487. Bugs says:

    And Boston? How is it?
    Everyone ok?
    Peace Out.
    Lord Bugs Potter, esq. Earl of Fluppitburg, Baron of Flopshlupshire and Knight of the Flannel Republic.

  488. HabFab says:

    Speaking of teachers ,Ian was talking about one earlier and when I checked her bio looks like a homeroom teacher of mine at Montreal West High.Would be a little bizarre…yes Ms F…wow!!

  489. twocents says:

    You like Springsteen Bugs?

  490. Jim M says:


    I didn’t read it but I’ll google it if you recommend it.

  491. The Teacher says:

    Your Boston comments still don’t make sense to me. Have not since you started with it. Care to explain Bugs?


  492. twocents says:

    Did you know she was a big Habs fan back then?

  493. Jim M says:

    The question should be, does Springsteen like Bugs?

  494. Greg says:

    Can I just say, again, that I’m CRAZY excited for this season? 20 pre-season goals? 11 on the PP?

    Also, ummm, Kovy-Pleks-AK46 with Markov and Tanguay on the point?

    Just makes me smile the kind of smile i haven’t smiled in a while.

  495. The Teacher says:

    Thanks Jim, yes there are fewer but they are still around as two cents noted. Either they aren’t as talented or they have no ammunition left. 😉


  496. HabFab says:

    No but remember her going on about ballet…think she liked the tights…haha.

  497. HabFab says:

    And who is this wascally wabbitt??

  498. moser17 says:

    Is Tanguay an effective point man on the PP? I didn’t know that. Nice.

  499. moser17 says:

    lol!! Atta boy, Teach.

  500. HabFab says:

    Count up to almost 600 bro.

  501. Mike Boone says:

    They wouldn’t say.
    And by jive-ass rules of the un-NFL, they don’t have to.

  502. twocents says:

    Ballet on ice… Played by 200 pound behemoths speeding along at 100 miles an hour on sharp thin pieces of steel. Should be up her alley.

  503. doug says:

    Here’s my unsolicited two cents: too many posters on the main page at HIO this year. Makes for a confusing and disjointed read. I’m not worried about Boone and Stubbs, but I nearly slit my wrists when Stephanie Myles posted every three seconds about her trip to the exhibition game. . .

    I’d stick with Stubbs, Mio, and Boone wherever he wants. You got to dance with the ones that brung ya. I’d hate to open access to every Gazette writer and then get redundant posts on the same things (e.g., the back-to-back cuts announced 20 minutes apart).

    End of unsolicited rant.

  504. GHG33 says:

    A little harsh dude.

    Drive For 25 Is Alive!

  505. doug says:

    Just an opinion. Been here for two years and love it. I certainly respect your right to disagree; the openness of expressing dissenting opinions regarding the site’s operators and each other is what makes it a great place.

  506. twocents says:

    That and the free Habs tickets.

  507. nightmare_49 says:

    Thanks Ed.

  508. Gormdog says:

    He will never be booed unless he goes and plays for the bruins/leafs/senators , in which case he “gets booed” mercilessly and rightly so, it’s the nature of playing for the enemy…

  509. Ali says:

    The whole Maxpac scenario is reminding me of last year, where I felt that Carbo wanted Price to play alot in Hamilton rather than back up Huet, and Bob overruled him. I would not be surprised at all to see the same thing happen this year, but I’m not fussed either way. I think a year in Hamilton will see Max just bursting to make the big club, and next year there will be no stopping him.

  510. The Teacher says:

    LOL Doug, I love it! You make very good points that traffic is way up there, reaching end of season levels from last year and waaaay above the year prior to that.

    “I’m not worried about Boone and Stubbs, but I nearly slit my wrists when Stephanie Myles posted every three seconds about her trip to the exhibition game. . .”

    HAHAHAHAHAHA now this was funny. I would harbour a guess that Stephanie is still getting used to all this. She certainly loves to take up space, but is it intentional?

    I also think she submits her articles at the wrong time. Stephanie, submitting something new during live game play is not ideal IMO as it will receive the least attention during that time and will quickly be forgotten in the craziness that is post-game blogging on Boone’s spot. In my case I usually refresh the page and don’t check what is new until later. My advice is to save pieces for the evening on non game days after people have yakked themselves out on Boone’s “about last night” and before Stubbs releases his article setting up the next game, those seem to be the downtimes and where I think people would react positively to new things. I do like your reports after the game though, they add a new spice to the site.

    Just a reader’s suggestions, don’t kill me for it people 😉


  511. Bugs says:

    As well as the free wings.
    Peace Out.
    Lord Bugs Potter, esq. Earl of Fluppitburg, Baron of Flopshlupshire and Knight of the Flannel Republic.

  512. The Teacher says:


    Why do you keep asking and why does he seem to not want to respond?


  513. The Teacher says:

    I knew you would like that one Moser 😉


  514. twocents says:

    I am not sure why Bugs doesn’t answer but I am trying to ask something without asking it openly. You know, I have a hunch I am trying to verify. But, I mean no harm or offense. If my hunch is right, I would be happy for Bugs.

  515. Diriangen says:

    I can’t for that Buffalo game next week. Let’s kick some A$$!

    Go Habs!

  516. twocents says:

    I wish they were served with blue cheese.

  517. Chuck says:

    “Hangs in the air like weed at a Grateful Dead show.”

    I whole-heartedly agree, Mike. Uh… not that I’d know… from experience… um… that is… um…


  518. Habs fan in SF says:

    “When we started camp, we had 52 players. All of them want to be in the NHL. That’s where 21,000 people are yelling.”

    umm, yes, only for the Montreal Canadiens! where else do they sell out a 22,000 arena … and even in preseason?? it always confuses me why free agents – especially “quebecois’ don’t want to sign here cuz it’s the BEST hockey city to play in … oh yeah, most players can’t handle the stress. i find it rather sad that guys like briere, lecavalier, or any other francophone would not want to put on their resume that they played for the greatest hockey franchise in the history of the sport, where it’s in there home province … pussies! we have more yanks who show more proudness wearing the CH than any of the so called proud quebecois. i say “F” them.

  519. cautiousoptimist says:

    I think one of the reasons Bob wanted Price to get some NHL experience was that he had already decided to deal Huet if at all possible, since he was been in line for a big raise at the end of the season. He knew he couldn’t afford to give big raises to both Huet and AK46 and still sign all the impending UFAs at the end of 08-09.

    Maybe we see Pacioretty in Higgins’s spot next year for the same reason?

    1. http://www.flickeringpictures.com – not a hockey site, but still kinda neat
    2. Josh Gorges on Montreal’s attack: “They’re comin’, they’re comin’ and they keep comin’. Just line after line, wave after wave…”

  520. Bugs says:

    I wholeheartedly agree as a Frenchman myself. I was DISGUSTED that Brière turned his back on us. All of us. I think the word “pussy” in that context, is perfectly justified.
    The québécois who are BROUGHT UP as Mtlers NEVER want to leave. Their pride in wearing the CH cannot be disputed.
    So, in that context, Vinny was drafted by TB, raised in TB, given everything in TB, lives in TB, family and friends in TB.
    He’s a TBer. Nothing wrong Vinny’s choice to re-sign there.
    As for Brière, let’s face it: in hindsight,
    Brière or Plecky?
    Brière or AK-46?
    THAT turned out ok for us. Turned out ok because the hockey-gods agreed with you too, SanFran: You turn your back on Your Nation?
    And ta hell witya.
    Rot in Philly, Danny-boy.
    Peace Out.
    Lord Bugs Potter, esq. Earl of Fluppitburg, Baron of Flopshlupshire and Knight of the Flannel Republic.

  521. Bugs says:

    What, what, what? I thought you were asking me the joke I made after the 2nd period. I didn’t realize I had misunderstood.
    Springsteen, what? Do I like him? Sure. Is he my idol? No. Why?
    What? What?
    Peace Out.
    Lord Bugs Potter, esq. Earl of Fluppitburg, Baron of Flopshlupshire and Knight of the Flannel Republic.

  522. Bugs says:

    It was nice.
    But I still prefer MY hockey team to theirs.
    Peace Out.
    Lord Bugs Potter, esq. Earl of Fluppitburg, Baron of Flopshlupshire and Knight of the Flannel Republic.

  523. twocents says:

    Ahhh, Ok, never mind… I thought you were someone I recognized. I guess not. I’ll stop with the left field questions. Pardon me.

  524. coutNY says:

    It might beneficial in organizational sense to separate out the columnist into a separte section and reference it on the side from the main blog that support the BIG three (Mio, Boone, & Stubb). Not to disrepesct the columnist but to encourage blog strings and discussion among the users without worring everyone has moved on to a more recent post otherwise the blog Habs I/O is just another news source that has morphed into informational media such as a “Kuklas Korner” or “Spectors”. By far this site is the MOST fan friendly site and should not discourage interaction by bombarding us with new threads.

  525. georgesd says:

    Had to go to http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/mellifluous to understand what you meant when you wrote “Alex Tanguay (in the mellifluous language of Molière)”.

    The correct term should have been dulce and not mellifluous according to the English language Wiktionary “dulcet from the Latin: dulce (sweet). (Mellifluous is more likely to be applied to a person’s writing style while dulcet would only be appropriate for describing audible tone, voice or tenor.”

    Now onto to Chaucer.

    Good for my edumacation, Georges Drouin

  526. Bugs says:

    If that person doesn’t play drums, it’s not me.
    Peace Out.
    Lord Bugs Potter, esq. Earl of Fluppitburg, Baron of Flopshlupshire and Knight of the Flannel Republic.

  527. HabsProf says:

    But they weren’t booing everyone – they booed Ryder and Chara. Other Bruins did not receive the same treatment.

  528. Tharsis says:

    If Ryder takes it personally and his play suffers as a consequence I say YAY because that gives my team an advantage.

    Fate leads the willing, and drags along the reluctant.

  529. Gary320 says:

    No duh, because we have history with Chara.. and Ryder was a former Hab.

    Hossa, Theodore, Briere, Tucker.. all these guys have gotten booed.. what makes it different..

    The booing works.. and it shouldnt be looked as something disrespectful or anything.. cause if it is, lets ban (VISITING TEAM) sucks chants from the NHL.. cause that’s even more disrespectfull

  530. joeybarrie says:

    And thats why he isnt on our team anymore. Thats why he isnt competing for the cup this year.

  531. Gary320 says:

    Make your point. I don’t understand what your trying to say..

    On the street, if you boo Michael Ryder that is kinda stupid. During a game, it’s completly different.. this is a hockey game.. between your team and the other team, your not going to cheer every time Michael Ryder has the puck are you? Your allowed to boo him, and in my opinion if its during a game.. you should boo him, weather he’s a Bruin, Avalanche or plays for the Yankees..There is nothing wrong about booing him..

    Let’s all drop the whole RESPECTABLE skit.. some of you are the same people who are ready to insult any other player in any other team.. and are complaining cause some fans are booing Ryder.. common.

  532. Xtrahabsfan says:

    I’m still booing Ryder for last year,lol.

  533. habsfor25 says:

    agree 100% with you

  534. Gary320 says:

    There is a difference between paying money for lets say a restaurant meal and a hockey game..

    Hockey game is in an enviorenment where people boo the other team.. chant for their team.. and so on so fourth so things like this are socially acceptable.. you cant make that comparsion with other places..

    the argument I am making is.. there is no reason why it should be stupid to boo Ryder.. He’s just another player part of the Bruins.. there is nothing wrong with it..

    If you guys are taking so much offensive to it.. where were you when he was being booed as Hab last year?.. or when Kovalev was booed during his terrible year… or when Brisebois was booed? or when Theodore was booed as a Hab?… that is FAR worse.

  535. Chorske says:

    Where was I? I posted a long post that was hugely critical of the booers, and it got almost universal positive response. I think booing is brutal and low brow and I like to think Habs fans are classier than that.

    I can almost get booing the other guy if he takes a cheap shot, or takes a dive. Booing the other guy is classless (especially if the other guy is a recent former Hab)… don’t even get me started about booing your OWN guys.

  536. moser17 says:

    Yah, I know, I see your point. A hockey game is for boisterous fans, and I’m all for it. And I think there should be booing, sure, like when the ref makes a questionable call or when the other team makes a hard hit, and all sorts of other cases. I also think Ryder was being targeted specifically because of his history with the Habs, which, in my view, wasn’t worthy of the attention. He wasn’t being treated like just another Bruin, since not just any other Bruin was being booed. (Man, that’s a tongue twister.) He was clearly being singled out. Why? He didn’t cry or whine. He didn’t hold out and jeopardize his team’s being able to trade fairly for him. He never bad-mouthed management. Why are his former fans giving him the run-out-of-town-on-a-rail treatment? It strikes me as classless, not all that different from booing an anthem, and not the same kind of booing as normal, boisterous team-supporting exhuberance. It may just come down to the fact that I think there’s a way to conduct yourself, even in a hockey rink, and others may not think this. De gustibus non est disputandum, if you like. (Though, ultimately, I don’t think it’s a question of taste.)

  537. Gary320 says:

    I think it’s just not that big of a deal has people are making it out to be seeing as there have been so many incidents of this happening in the past and the fact that this man was booed even has a Canadien too.

    I don’t think it meant anything.. it was just because he was a Bruin.

    What about booing Darcy Tucker?..

  538. twocents says:

    See what I mean.

  539. Gary320 says:

    I respect your opinion and what you believe in. But sadly that’s not the majority in my opinion.. every hockey game is proof to that.

  540. Chorske says:

    Not crazy about it, haha. Although I will cheer like crazy when Kovy takes his head off.

  541. joeybarrie says:

    How does booing make you look like a classless yahoo? Should we start wearing suits again to go to games??? HE SHOULD BE BOOED CAUSE HE IS A BRUIN AND I DON”T LIKE BRUINS… Simple…

  542. Gary320 says:

    ISn’t that sort of hypocritical?.. I mean you find it unclassy to do a simple boo chants to a former player, but would cheer if Tucker had a nice body check from Kovy.. is that socially acceptable either?.. (Although I would cheer too)

    My point is.. I think now a days.. social standards don’t apply in Hockey games as much as they do out of it.

  543. moser17 says:

    Well well, hi there! You seem like a preciously precocious and pugnacious little fellow! Welcome to the discussion!

    And I dunno, joeybarrie, I know a classless yahoo when I see one. What do you think about booing Ryder just because he’s Ryder? Is it anything goes, as you see it?

  544. joeybarrie says:

    It isn’t anything goes. But we know what goes. And when he goes to the Bruins we BOO. I don’t think you know a classless yahoo when you see one, NOTHING wrong with booing. It’s known. and I was looking for a REASON booing is classless. How about folding and throwing paper planes in the press box during a game with a team you currently play on, and pays you??? Does that sound a but classless?

  545. moser17 says:

    Like I said to Gary, if your criterion for booing a guy is that he goes to another team, well, then Ryder meets it and boo away. I just don’t see it as a good reason. My reasons for that are below in my long-ish post to Gary. You can look there, too, for my general reasons why booing is sometimes classless. (Tho’ I don’t think hockey should be without booing.) Ryder’s throwing paper airplanes was probably not the smartest thing to do. Is that why people are booing him?

  546. joeybarrie says:

    It didn’t help. And in your sentence, criteria would be the correct usage. But my reasons for booing him are as I stated SIMPLE. He is a Bruin. By that token his is guilty beyond doubt, and deserves the boos. Just to be clear though i wouldn’t personally boo. I haven’t the inclination. But I do enjoy it when other boo him.

  547. Chorske says:

    OK, well, if you MUST boo, at least do it the French way, and say SHOOOOOOOO.


  548. moser17 says:

    Pugnacious! Well, like I say, if your reason is that he’s a Bruin, then he’s appropriately classed for your booing. I still don’t see it as a good reason, no matter how simple. And it still doesn’t explain why the booing isn’t the same for any Bruin, and was specially targeted at Ryder.

    As for word-usage, ‘criterion’ is the singular, ‘criteria’ is the plural. Since we were talking about only Ryder’s being a Bruin, I figured the singular was called for. In any case, I see this discussion is all but abandoned now. I had to go for a bit, so sorry to leave off earlier.

  549. joeybarrie says:

    OK you got me on the Criterion. However in speech Criteria is used more frequently and correctly in the singular. In frequently in edited prose. I see this forum more as a substitute for speech than anything. As for the targeting its simple. we particularly do not like Charra and Ryder was a Hab who dropped his game and went south. We simply cannot boo the entire team, it would take too much time. We pick and choose whom we boo based on our feelings and we feel like Ryder deserves it for his lack of desire last season.

  550. moser17 says:

    Yeah, you seem like a “what’s frequent and common is what’s correct” sort of person, given your attitude to booing. 😉 lol

    I think you’ve brought me to the same stalemate to which you brought Chorske: we’ll have to agree to disagree, (or at least I’ll have to concede to disagree).

  551. joeybarrie says:

    Well im not so sure, I completely agree with your ‘Whats frequent and common’ argument. So we can agree that if everyone is booing… then it goes without saying MAYBE he deserves it. Maybe simply cause we feel he does. Why do they yell at Darrell Strawberry DDAAAAARRRREEEEEELLLLLLL, DAAAARRRREEEELLLLLL, DDDAAAAARRRREEEELLLLL…

  552. Chorske says:

    The difference is that one act is an interaction between players who sort stuff out among themselves. The other is a one-way interaction that is cowardly- I mean, would anyone on here go up to Ryder and boo him to his face? Or do it Chara? Or Tucker? No. Because booing is fundamentally a product of mob mentality, and it’s inherently kind of cowardly.

    I may be overstating the case a bit, but I don’t think I’m hypocritical.

    I figure that most of us, if we bumped into Ryder in a bar, we’d ask him how he’s doing, or ignore him. Would you agree with that?

  553. Gary320 says:

    Yep I would agree with your statement. I think it’s all just about where you are… and those people were at a hockey game, so typically their reaction is too boo. Clearly not cheer..

    Had those people seen Michael Ryder walk down the street on a nice Sunday afternoon, they would clearly ask him how he’s doing and ask for an autograph too..

    I just don’t think it’s anyhting more than people having fun. I don’t think it’s out of class.. or anything of that sort. Just people who payed tickets and want to have fun.. and choose too boo a particular player.. (for no reason, that’s might be the arguable case) either way.. whatchu gonna do? We won’t be able to stop 21 273 fans from doing it now would we.

  554. Gary320 says:

    Booing the Anthem is completly different.. that I find disrespectful and stupid.

  555. joeybarrie says:

    Whats the reason for booing the anthem anyways???

  556. twocents says:

    I like the way you think Chorske.

  557. Gary320 says:

    Normal standards of class? We are talking about a sport where fans chant “YOU SUCK”… Social standards don’t fully apply in sports all the time.. and there is enough proof to support that.

    The booing is solely because he’s a bruin now.. nothing more nothing less..

    Again, last year he was getting booed.. and it was normal because he was having a rough season?.. now it’s not?.. make up your mind.

  558. twocents says:

    I don’t like our fans booing our own players either. You boo an opposing player who has done some disrespect or has given one of our players a cheap shot. That is appropriate.

  559. Chorske says:

    Read my post again, you are putting words in my mouth. I don’t like booing under any circumstances- I can almost kind of barely envision it against a cheap shot bugger like Pronger, but only barely.

    I don’t think shouting YOU SUCK is particularly creative either.

  560. Gary320 says:

    I agree with your point. But I think that standard is long gone in the sports today.

    We boo referees for doing their job and calling it as they see it because we saw it in another way (argubally, biased way).. What makes that any different from booing a guy who was a former Canadien?

  561. joeybarrie says:

    How much is Ryder getting paid this season? OH poor Ryder, his game dropped and we dropped him. Now we boo cause he is on one of our most hated teams. That’s how Hockey has always been. I wouldn’t have it any other way. Oh and the entitlement comes with a hundred years of hockey.

  562. joeybarrie says:

    People buy tickets to go and boo. Whatever puts people in the seats so we don’t have another lockout… Get people involved. Clap, boo, scream. Thats how it has always been in MTL. Always will be.

  563. twocents says:

    Well, we should have higher standards than everyone else. We do for results.

  564. twocents says:

    I seem to remember former players being greeted with applause when they returned, on many occasions. We have different perception of how it’s always been in Mtl.

    I also don’t go with the whatever puts people in the seats kind of thinking. We didn’t have a lockout because of poor attendance and that won’t be the reason if there ever is another one, God forbid.

  565. moser17 says:

    Nice post.

  566. Chorske says:

    That’s a good question.

    I think if he had left with two fingers in the air (hello St Patrick), or complaining and going AWOL (hello Grabovski), then yeah, MAYBE I can see giving them a hard time.

    But that’s not how Ryder left, is it? He was a good guy. He had a tough off season, folks vandalized his house back in NFLD, he got off to a rough start (but so did Koivu… so did everyone except Kovy), and never got it back. Still can’t see why one would bother to boo. Just cos he’s on the other team? That’s kind of lame to me… but you may be right, perhaps I adhere to an older standard… but I’m not even 40?

  567. twocents says:

    Joey, it looks to me like we won’t agree here. I don’t think poor attendance was at the heart of the lockout, salary caps and revenue sharing were. Better attendance would not have solved those issues it would only change where the levels were set. But, I am pretty darn sure your not about to agree with me so let’s just let it go.


  568. Harani says:

    If you say tha booing is bad…it has to be fair game…remember when we has Briere come from Philli? What did we do? Boo him on the top of our lungs…no one really seemed to have a problem with that…all bcoz he ”betrayed” the habs by not playing with them…if that sounded right to evry1…booing Ryder is also fair game…there has to be consistency…if not…just accept it!

    I personally believe that booing has to stop because it purposefully puts down a person and damages him psychologically. But what to do? It’s part of the game…you assume and wait for your turn to come and people to chant your name! PRICE!!!


  569. joeybarrie says:

    You really don’t think the LEAGUES poor attendance compared to other sports didn’t play one of the major roles in the NHL lockout?

  570. twocents says:

    Easy on the 40 thing, will ya!

    Your two examples are the disrespect angle.

  571. twocents says:

    Baseball(one of the other sports) has generally great attendance and they go on strike/lock out every 10 years. No it’s just a matter of greed and economics(which kinda go hand in hand). But, we’re getting off topic.

  572. joeybarrie says:

    When was the last time baseball went on strike? how was attendance compared to other seasons. And did they lose an entire season??? um no…

  573. joeybarrie says:

    I will simply end it on this note. Many Nhl teams were losing money. As a league they lost 273 million. Teams like the Devils, Caps, Hurricanes all had extremely low attendance and others held fire sales. The NHL was extremely reliant on attendance much more so than other leagues. TV deals are low in comparison. Simply put Attendance is the MAJOR income of the league, think about the outdoor games they have had since then, and the games over seas ans well as in different cities. This is all about getting higher attendance. TRUST ME. Attendance was a MAJOR MAJOR part of the lockout. Forbes magazine did a good article about it.

  574. Chorske says:

    I was referring to the individual sense of entitlement that leads people to assume that paying to see a game is a license to behave like an eejit.

    I’m not suggesting we roll out the red carpet for our opponents. But I don’t want to get all Broad Street on ’em either.

  575. twocents says:

    I am not suggesting better attendance is not a goal of the league. Of course it is. What I am saying is that the differing views on how revenue, however much there is, was divided was the reason they couldn’t agree. Thus the strike. Think about it, if the league had an attendance problem but, both players and owners agreed on revenue distribution, would they go on strike/lock out or would they work together to better market the game, so they could all profit?

  576. Chorske says:

    No. I don’t.

    The lockout was about cost certainty for owners. Point final.

    And booing has nothing to do with putting asses in seats, dude. You know what affects hockey attendance? Price of ticket. Availability of ticket. Quality of product on the ice. Do you think the fans are returning in droves to Chicago because of rowdiness or naked ladies or whatever? No, they’re returning because a) the product, the team, has vastly improved, and b) Chicago management have pulled out the stops promoting it, and have offered good ticket packages.

  577. twocents says:

    Wait a minute! Chicago has naked ladies…bare naked?

  578. joeybarrie says:

    In a simple world. But we do not live in a simple world. Actually the reason for the lockout was quite simple. teams were spending 76% of their gross revenues on player salaries. This is much higher than in other sports. Bettman attempted to convince players to accept a salary structure linking player salaries to league revenues, guaranteeing the clubs what the league called ‘cost certainty’. This situation came about because of the loss of profit and in alot of teams cases large losses. These numbers were brought down by ATTENDANCE. PEOPLE BEING INTERESTED IN THE GAME AND SPENDING MONEY ON IT is basically what we call in the business world the opportunity for PROFITS. I can’t explain it any clearer. This causes cyclical issues like selling players. This results in losses for seats, apparel and ratings. Now how is it possible we don’t realize THE MAJOR number of income comes from the opportunity to make $1.1 million dollars a game in attendance, PLUS Food and Beverage sales and lastly the sales for the stuff people BUY to wear to the games. So again explain to me how Attendance didn’t play the major role for the owners to decide a salary cap was needed?

  579. twocents says:

    You answered your question yourself, it’s about percentages. The part of your argument at the beginning of your post can also be described as revenue distribution. 76% to 24%… 60% to 40%… 55% to 45%. And the situation came about by salary escalation far more than it did on decreasing attendance. New Jersey, Hartford(Carolina), Washington always had sh*t attendance. They just didn’t have to pump out 50 million in salary to put the product on the ice in the 80’s. Poor attendance is a factor of expansion, the fact that hockey is being played in markets that don’t give a rat’s a*&. The reason expansion kept happening is that it benefits both sides in the short term. Expansion fees for the owners and more jobs for the players. But, in the long run it caused poor attendance and a diluted product which only worsened the problem. Even then, if the owners could have kept salaries at a reasonable percentage of revenue, there would not have been a strike/lock out. There would have been some effort to address attendance by both parties.

    As far as clarity goes I think I made it pretty plain that I think attendance is a concern, in my last post, but you need more to the mix to get a major disagreement and that was revenue distribution.

  580. joeybarrie says:

    Well we can circle logic all we want. In the end its simple. More than 60% of revenue comes from attendance. The nhl players association absolutely refused to EVER have a salary cap. Profits were down as the 2002-2003 season had the lowest average attendance of any prior year. Increasing salary was an issue. HOWEVER in the end if Attendance had been higher there would have been reason to ensure the season wasn’t canceled all together. Remember that was the ONLY time an entire season had been canceled due to a strike.

  581. twocents says:

    Look, it contributed to it, and likely did affect it’s length but, the sides didn’t disagree that the attendance was suffering, they agreed on that. What they disagreed on was what to do with the revenue and it’s a disagreement that causes strikes and lock outs. Strikes and lock-outs can even happen even when finances are rosy, if one side figures they are getting shafted. But, I have to stop this, reply away.

    It’s been fun, no hard feelings.
    Good preseason eh?

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