A win and some cuts

As you read these words, Bob Gainey and Guy Carbonneau are meeting the players who won’t be making the trip to Mont Tremblant.

Matt D’Agostini.

Ben Maxwell.

Gregory Stewart.

Never a pleasant task, but that’s hockey … especially with a loaded team like your Montreal Canadiens.

"Nobody feels comfortable," Guy Carbonneau said, summing up the training camp’s Darwinian nature.

"When we started camp, we had 52 players. All of them want to be in the NHL. That’s where 21,000 people are yelling. That’s where they make the money."

For some, the roar of the crowd and ka-ching of the bank balance will have to wait.

But maybe not for long.

Headed up north for bonding: Yannick Weber (Francis Bouillon was injured tonight), Kyle Chipchura, Max Paciorett.

Still a Canadien: Mathieu Dandenault, who played more than 18 minutes on D, showcased, perhaps, for a pressbox full of pro scouts.

Audio from the room and Carbo’s press conference:

The coach

• The Captain, Parts I and II

Christopher Higgins on line chemistry

Jaroslav Halak on a solid start

Alex Tanguay (in the mellifluous language of Molière)

Very nice win.


Great cycling by Koivu, Higgins and Tanguay.

Could be a great line this season.

•  •  •

Tabarnac! Boston has 33 shots.

•  •  •

Gregory Stewart is an NHLer … but maybe not here.

•  •  •

Not a good O-zone penalty, Gui.

•  •  •

That PP is somethin’ else with Weber.

•  •  •

That Bruins D has more statues than Dominion Square.

•  •  •

Nice goal.

Chara had an open side on the PP.


•  •  •

Savard and Ryder both belted.

Big thumper Weber penalized.

•  •  •

My new fave: Robert Lang.

Super-smart player

•  •  •

Excellent PK.

And Halak is sharp.


Re Ryder:

Look, it didn’t work out. End of bloody story.

Not my favourite hockey player. But a good guy. And to his credit, he’s
has never trashed management or bitched about what happened here.

•  •  •

Bruins will start the third period on the PP.

•  •  •

Ron Reusch points out Canadiens have scored 20 pre-season goals, 11 on the PP.

•  •  •

Pierre Durocher of the Journal de Montréal: "Can you smell the Cup?"

Oh yeah, it hangs in the air like weed at a Grateful Dead show.


O’Byrne rescues a Weber giveaway by tying up Ryder.

•  •  •

Weber stepped into Kobasew on a goalmouth scrum.

•  •  •

I’m torn between wanting a shutout for a Halak and a goal for Ryder to shut those clowns up.

•  •  •

Two additions who are VERY good at passing: Tanguay and Lang

•  •  •

Canadiens are skating them into the ice.

Hey, is Patrice Bergeron playing?

Marc Savard?

•  •  •

Shot right on by Tanguay, Lats cashes the rebound.

That PP is sick!


Time for Julien to start a goon show.

•  •  •

Another PP, created by the line of Kovy, Koivu and Higgins


Dandenault flew to catch up to Lucic and negate a break. Great hustle.

•  •  •

Lovely rush by D’Agostini. Nearly finished off by Stewart.

•  •  •

Does Kovy work this crowd?

Goes for a skate on a delayed penalty.

Pavarotti at La Scala.

•  •  •

I like Chara.

He is a tough, honest hockey player.

If he had Pronger’s temperament, half the Eastern Conference would be on the DL.

•  •  •

Weber whips one off Fernandez’s pads, Breeze buries the rebound


•  •  •

What a blast!



•  •  •

Second period will begin with two Bruins in the box, and Jeremy Reich off for 3:49 or less.

So lots of PP practice.

•  •  •

Lang 4-1 on faceoffs. Chipchura 1-3. 

Chara played 8:34, Dandenault 7:15 (!!!)


The book must be Belt Yelle. O’B buried him.

•  •  •

Halak sharp on Kobasew.

Chara and Ryder on the PP: makes the booing easier.

•  •  •

No penalties through almost 15 minutes.

•  •  •

Pleks line is flying against the lead-footed Bs

•  •  •

Weber: two giveaways on one shift. He’ll learn to play D in Hamilton.

•  •  •

AK46 buried Yelle on the boards near the Bruins bench and they didn’t like it.

•  •  •

Shots are 7-2. Fernandez is solid.

•  •  •

O’B playing the left side again, with Weber

•  •  •

Great sequence starts with Tanguay scooting down to negate icing. Then he and Koivu and Higgins had the puck on a string.

•  •  •

Pleks stoned on a great feed from Kovy.Shot right at Fernandez.

•  •  •

The guy who yells KO-STO-POUL-OS! is in mid-season voice.

•  •  •

Man, that Wheeler is a big one.

•  •  •

OK, booing Ryder I can understand.

•  •  •

Booing Chara.

The point eludes me.

•  •  •

Saku Koivu will play his first pre-season game tonight when Boston visits the Bell Centre.

Koivu will centre Alex Tanguay and Christopher Higgins.

Last season’s top line will be reunited: Tomas Plekanec between Andrei Kostitsyn and Alex Kovalev.

The other lines are Robert Lang centring Guillaume Latendresse and Matt
D’Agostini and Kyle Chipchura between Gregory Stewart and Tom

Yannick Weber gets another start on D, along with Mathieu
Dandenault, Francis Bouillon, Josh Gorges, Ryan O’Byrne and Patrice
Brisebois. The Top Three, Andrei Markov, Mike Komisarek and Roman
Hamrlik, have the night off.

This lineup would appear to punch Max Pacioretty’s ticket for
Hamilton. No surprise to anyone who knows how this organization
nurtures and develops its talent.

It’s an important game for Chipchura, who was very solid against
Detroit but was overshadowed by Pacioretty. It’s also a big game for
Stewart, who may have to step up and provide some muscle against the

•  •  •

Zdeno Chara is expected to make his first pre-season start for Boston.

The Bruins’ likely lineup: Marc Savard centring Michael Ryder and P.J.
Axelsson; Patrice Bergeron between Marco Sturm and Chuck Kobasew; big
horses Milan Lucic and Blake Wheeler flanking Stephane Yelle, and a
rock-’em/sock-’em trio of Jeremy Reich, Shawn Thornton and Vladimir
Sobotka. Chara will be paired on D with Dennis Wideman. The other duos
are Andre Alberts-Matt Hundwick and Mark Stuart-Shane Hnidy.

Manny Fernandez to start in nets, backed up by Tuuka Rask.

Red Remembers: Fisher’s take on Habs’ history.



  1. georgesd says:

    I think many of us have a soft spot for Bégin. However he’s injury-prone and probably will not play a full season. Lapierre can also play center and is an energy player like Bégin. He is not injury-prone like Bégin. I think that if Lapierre doesn’t get the job done as the Habs official pest by slacking too often then he could be delt.

    Where my mind changed was seeing how well Chipchura has played in the past two games. I thought he was a goner. He’s proved me wront. What I sensed had changed is simply that he came to the realization that two games ago he was two steps away from going back down to Hamilton, maybe never to come back up. He finally understood and ‘surprised’ Carbo. He took his last chance – a lot like Lapierre did last year. The only diff is that Lapierre is a winger and not a center. Thus Chips true value.

    Next year the pressure will be on Koivu and Lang, if we keep him. The feeling I get is that Bob G. will be be faithful to Koivu during this season’s run for the 25th in the century run for the Cup. I sense that, since Koivu won’t receive a pay increase after this season, that Bob may trade him to Minnesota to finish off his career with his brother. Enter Maxwell who will have had a full season, we hope without injury, in Hamilton under the belt.

    The next two years will be a lot of managing the talent pool for Gainey.

  2. PPQB says:

    How do you draw a comparison between Tanguay and Samsonov dude??…”in fact, Tanguay is the new Samsonov”. What’s the expression, something about apples and oranges?? Or is it Ladas and BMWs?? In any case, you are incredibly wrong on that assessment. At least wait until the regular season is 15 games old before you label someone a bust.

  3. twocents says:

    Now Tanguay!? Why do you need to rag on so many players? Let alone someone who has yet to play a regular season game with us. Even with an off year last year he has been one of the NHL’s most productive players, poimt wise, over the last 5 years and he is in the top 5 in power play points during that stretch.

    Come on man, who pissed in your cornflakes?

  4. Skotbot says:

    The only way pax outshine Tang, is if Tang plays in hamilton, cause thats where you will find Pax

    Do I listen to pop music because I am miserable?
    Or am I miserable because I listen to pop music?

  5. RetroMikey says:

    Predictions are for Gypsies!
    “We will win the Cup only with Carey Price in the nets”

  6. fun police says:

    you are entitled to your opinion, no need to use derogatory words. my point is simple. I’d, yes me, would rather have pax on the wing than lats. pax is faster than lats when it counts, which is during a game. i don’t care how fast someone is skating laps around the rink, it is what they do with the puck. to each his own.
    also, because someone has an X amount of games under their belt does that mean they automatically make the team? if someone else is better then tough luck. it’s the nhl, not beer league.

  7. nick says:

    Any word if it’ll be on any channel? I just took a look at TSN and RDS’s line up for tonight and it doesn’t look like hockey. 🙁

  8. cautiousoptimist says:

    I like your points, but I’ve got a soft spot for Begin — he brings too much grit, heart, penalty-killing, shot-blocking and solid D to replace with a rookie. Plus he can play centre. I’d deal Lapierre instead and let Chipchura centre Begin and Laracque, with Kostopoulos covering for short-term injuries and Pacioretty and D’Agostini called up to fill in for longer ones.

    1. http://www.flickeringpictures.com – not a hockey site, but still kinda neat
    2. Josh Gorges on Montreal’s attack: “They’re comin’, they’re comin’ and they keep comin’. Just line after line, wave after wave…”

  9. HAB-PROFESSOR says:

    I’m going to make some solid predictions after what I’ve saw thus far in regards to players performance and coaching comments:

    the following will all come to pass at some point (hopefully sooner than later)

    1. PAX will outshine TANGUAY by a mile…in fact Tanguay is the new Samsonov.
    2. PRICE will be hailed by the media as the real reason the Habs are contenders.
    3. Kovy will have a better year than last year, in fact it will be a record year for him.
    and finally…
    4. BREEZE and DANDY will make the team because they are CARBS pets, this will be our Achilles heel until it is rectified.

  10. twocents says:

    Playoff games count. 161 games. The window is closed. Oleg is right.

  11. B says:

    You are only counting his regular season games. He has also played 8 playoff games. 153 + 8 = 161

  12. MikeL says:

    I agree. As you said, I see this as a similar situation to Price last year. Gainey was high on Price, as he is on Max. Gainey never makes a decision because it is an easy one. He makes a decision because he feels it is the right one. I belive Max Pac would help our team more than Gui, and that is the sole reason I am pushing for him.

    In the end, regardless of what happens, I will always support Gainey’s decisions.

  13. bidds55 says:

    I can understand why folks are high on Weber, the kid has an absolute cannon from the point….but he needs big time work on his D. He is not an NHL calibre defenceman right now. After a year in Hamilton though, he’s gonna be something to see.

  14. JIMVINNY says:

    Just so you know, rational thought is not a strong point among some habs fans. That being said, you are not one of them. Great post.

  15. Habsrule1 says:

    I have never heard someone so negative, and so wrong.
    Carbonneau will do what’s best for the team, with a lot of help from Gainey.

    I trust their “infinite wisdom” a tad more than yours.

    Go Habs Go!!


  16. MikeL says:

    That is exactly how I felt/feel. I was directing that question to the other guy who seems fairly convinced Pac is going to he minors. Many were also convinced the same thing about Price. They were wrong. And well, as they say, the rest is history.

  17. cautiousoptimist says:

    Pacs didn’t play on Sunday, but I didn’t know there was a rule about that. Weird…

    1. http://www.flickeringpictures.com – not a hockey site, but still kinda neat
    2. Josh Gorges on Montreal’s attack: “They’re comin’, they’re comin’ and they keep comin’. Just line after line, wave after wave…”

  18. coutNY says:

    Not too sure of the absolute certainty that going Max’s to Hamilton…
    The kids has been playing extrodinarily well and as Price did last year, Pax seems to be Gainey’s Golden boy. I truely believe he could be working hard enough to challenge Lats and Dandy rooster spots if they don’t bring it against the B’s.

    Dandy Playing D again sounds to me that the coaching staff is having a hard time justifying a forward position, so that there opting to have him audition for a cozy spot next to Breezer as a “just in case”. At least Breeze can add to PP… And I think Webber is a better option than both of them.

    Oh-well if they start sputtering we have some great options to explore!

  19. MikeL says:

    161? I see that he played 153 games, which gives him 7 more before waivers.

  20. HAB-PROFESSOR says:

    absolutely not – I was PRO-PRICE all the way, in fact when he was sent down I thought it was a disaster (and it was) – when we traded away Huet I yelled that it was a brilliant move. I believe that when talent shows its head above the crowd, then a smart ‘leader’ will promote that individual and let him find his destiny. Like I said, D’Agost,maxwell,webb…those guys need conditioning, but PAX has earned a right to be given a shot.

  21. bidds55 says:

    I believe the number of games Gui can play before having to go on waivers is 7. He has played 153. 160 is the magic game total.

  22. cautiousoptimist says:

    I think we’d all rather see Pacioretty on the ice instead of Dandy, but 13th and 14th forwards (and 7th defensemen) don’t play very much, and it makes sense for Pacioretty to play every game in Hamilton rather than every fourth game here. Dandy’s and Brisebois’s spots are not up for grabs, because Carbo knows this and wants his young guns to develop.

    And Lats may not have played any AHL games, but he’s played enough NHL games (and scored enough goals — 32 of them) to show that he belongs here.

    1. http://www.flickeringpictures.com – not a hockey site, but still kinda neat
    2. Josh Gorges on Montreal’s attack: “They’re comin’, they’re comin’ and they keep comin’. Just line after line, wave after wave…”

  23. B says:

    Latendresse has played 161 games, the threshold is 160 games.

  24. mjames says:

    You make some very valid points. I would defintely go with your recomendations.


  25. bidds55 says:

    pardon my french, but your comment, and every comment that states that Lats hasn’t improved is completely retarded. Pierre Mcguire’s comment that “that’s the first thing Gui has done in the preseason” is equally retarded. He’s only played in one other preseason game, and that was coming off a problem with his hip.

    Lats is MUCH faster this year. There is no question about that. You are welcome to your opinion that Max Pac deserves a spot above him, or anyone else, but suggesting Gui hasn’t gotten significantly faster is simply wrong. The coaching staff has acknowledged it, Robert Lang is quoted as saying very clearly “he’s fast”, and even Stevie Wonder could see that he’s faster this year than last year. Hate him all you want, but don’t shoot him down with complete and utter falsehoods.

    The time to send Gui to Hamilton was last season. The opportunity to do that with an eye to developing him has past. He now has over 150 NHL games under his belt, and has performed quite well, especially under the circumstances (musical line changes by coach carbo, very limited playing time, etc.). Let us not forget his performance with Koivu and Ryder as a rookie, when replacing Higgins. He was just shy of a point a game when he had consistent linemates.

    Let’s also not forget that Max Pac has had exactly one good (pre-season) game. I once got 8 goals in a game of shinny down at the local rink, do you want the Habs to keep me too?

  26. mjames says:

    Maybe I was too hard on Lats in my earlier post. While I still believe that Pax and others (Chips and D’Agostini) have outplayed him I thought Lats played a good game against the Wings. In my opinion he looks better than last year. I actually think he will have better year than last year year. He might exceed 20 goals. Having said that I still think Pax, Chips and D’Agostini have outplayed him.

    This team is getting to be very deep.


  27. georgesd says:

    We’ll see soon what the line-up will look like. Whatever it will be, there is only one sure thing: Carbo will come up with a line-up that will be far from permanent, that can change any moment between now and X-mas. Injuries, trades, poor play or good play and perhaps other factors will all come into play.

    One thing I have learned over the course of the past 3-4 years is that generally the right choice is made. We can analyse decisions since then until the cat meows but it will not change the decisions that will be made.

    The Canadiens de Montréal tend to be patient with their young talent, tend to develop their own, have talented people at all levels in the organisation and definitely know what it takes to win the Stanley Cup.

    This is why I respect their decisions. Now, you may ask what I would do to start the season:

    1. Send Pacioretty down for from 2-4 months.
    2. Same thing with D’Agostini.
    3. Put Chipchura at center on the fourth.
    4. Trade Bégin & Dandeneault.
    5. Keep Stewart. Why him and not Pacioretty or D’Agostini? Well, he’s a bona fide 4th line. Not the other two. He’s young and not injury prone like Bégin and probably would have a better +/- than Dandeneault.
    6. Expect better from O’Byrn, Latendresse, S. Kostitsyn and Lapierre. And put them in situations that favor their development.
    7. Starting line-up:
    L-1: A. Kostitsyn-Plekanec-Kovalev
    L-2: Higgins-Koivu-Tanguay
    L-3: S. Kostitsyn-Lang-Latendresse
    L-4: Lapierre/Stewart-Chipchura-Laraque/Kostopoulos
    D-1: Markov-Komisarek
    D-2: Harmlick-O’Byrn
    D-3: Gorges-Bouillon
    G: Price-Halak

    Georges Drouin

  28. twocents says:

    You mean he only exists in the virtual world now? Wow, I knew that guy was ahead of his time.

  29. MikeL says:

    Did you say the same thing about Price last season?

  30. Mr.Hazard says:

    Yes, he’ll be sent down. Though it’s possible we’ll see him later in the season.

    Ex nihilo nihil fit

  31. MikeL says:

    I was playing NHL 09 the other day and I noticed Oleg is on one of the Russian League team’s in the game. I can’t remember which one tho…

  32. Mr.Hazard says:

    Watch your tone mister!

    Ex nihilo nihil fit

  33. Mike from Ktown says:

    I think I heard last night that 160 game played in the NHL is the number where you have to start passing waivers.
    The only roster players we can move to Hamilton make space for the younger guys would be Ak, SK, Latendresse, Lapierre. I don’t expect you to see AK or SK going anywhere. So really the only option is to move the other two down if you wanted to make room for Max, and Chipper. I doubt that we’ll see Chipper come in as a 4th line center, when we picked up Lang I figured that he would be back with the bulldogs. As for Max who has been very impressive, I doubt he’ll start up just because of the depth we have. I can see both these guys starting down with the bulldogs, and if they rip it up making room for them mid season.

  34. MikeL says:

    No, you’re not correct. He can play 8 or 9 games before going through waivers.

  35. twocents says:

    Oleg! Are you playing these days in Europe?

    Man, it’s a little harder to crack to the line up these days than it was back in your day. And heck, we had just won a cup back then…hmmmm…

  36. MikeL says:

    Sergei K was the first call up last season after Lapierre. He was a rookie. Time spent in Hamilton is not the biggest of factors.

    I agree there is room for both in the future, but right now, I don’t feel there is. They fit the same role, 3rd line power forward. Neither are 4th line grinders, so they are fighting for the same spot. I don’t know what Gainey is planning to do, but I certainly wouldn’t be upset if Max a=was swapped for Gui.

    It wouldn’t close the book on Gui, it would just send the message that we need a lot more from him.

  37. Oleg Petrov says:

    I believe I am correct in thinking that Lats would have to pass through waivers to get sent to Hamilton due to the number of NHL games he has played (I think that is what they said on TSN last night). If that is the case, I seriously doubt he would get through without someone taking him. So really, sending him down is not an option – there is no way they would just get rid of him for nothing.

  38. fun police says:

    i also disagree about pax going to hamilton? why should he? lats hasn’t played a game in the ahl, and pax is way ahead of him at this point in development. lats doesn’t look any faster and is still behind the play. he needs serious minutes in the ahl. if dandy makes the team it is a crime and carbo was lying when he said the young guys have to make a spot for themselves, because pax had a better camp up front and webber had a better camp on d.

  39. Oleg Petrov says:

    People, people, people – the Max Pac vs Latendresse debate is like comparing apples and oranges. They are two completely different situations. They kept Latendresse 2 years ago because they couldn’t send him to Hamilton – it was stay with the Habs or back to Junior and they obviously decided Lats would benefit and develop more staying with the big club and learning how to be a pro than picking up more bad habits in Junior. Max Pac is an NCAA player who decided to turn pro and can be sent to Hamilton as a 19 year old so he can benefit from a year in the AHL and come up ready to succeed instead of learning on the job as a 19 year old kid. Sure he looked good night – against an average Wings line up. But it is miles away from a regular season game. And this kid played NCAA last year! Let him play a full season of 82 pro games before playing in Montreal. Strong organizations don’t rush players and put them in situations to fail. They ensure they are ready to succeed before making the jump to the NHL – he belongs in Hamilton this year playing in all situations as a first or second line player.

    If you ask me Chips and D’Agostini are the two players fighting to stay with Stewart also in the mix. Those guys would be the first call ups in my mind. They have put in their time in Hamilton and have a better understanding of what it takes to play in the NHL than Max Pac does.

    And why so much negativity around Lats? He is a kid, learning how to be a pro in the most passionate hockey market in the world (which is good and bad at the same time), has scored 16 goals in each of his first two years, brings some size and obviously is taking things to a new level this year – he is in better shape and his skating is noticeably improved. And his reward is to go Hamilton?

    There is room for Lats and Max Pac in the future for this team – it doesn’t have to be an either or situation.

  40. MikeL says:

    Why not send Latendresse down to begin the season? Will it really make him any worse than he is right now? If anything, it may give him some confidence and allow him work his way back onto the team. I just don’t like how all the young players work their asses off all camp, while Gui! has been one of the worst players on the ice and still has a spot on the team.

    It sends a bad message to the rest of the team, and the rest of the propects. We want our prospects to push the roster players, that way the team is always getting the best out of everyone. Players try to up their game to keep their job from the rookies, and the rookies try to up their game to steal a spot. Gui! hasn’t done this. I don’t care how old, what language he speaks, or what potential he has, if you don’t earn your spot, you shouldn’t be given it.

    He can still be sent to Hamilton with no loss to the team. We will still have his rights, and he can gain confidence needed to rebound. Actually take the “re” off, because he never had it. He needs to “bound”.

  41. MikeL says:

    One good play of the entire preseason. Even Pierre acknowledged it as the first thing Gui has done the entire preseason. Pretty weak.

  42. JIMVINNY says:

    After the criticism the staff has faced with the decision the last two years to keep Lats up, they won’t make that mistake again. He’ll be sent down, as he should, to develop further. And lats will be allowed to make his case for one more year.

  43. Robert L says:

    Did anyone notice Latendresse last night winning a one on one battle behind the boards with a crunching check, stripping the opponant of the puck, before making a centering pass to Kovalev, who mulliganed it?

  44. RGM says:

    The announcers on TSN said last night that Latendresse doesn’t have to clear waivers yet. He’s something like 8 games shy of reaching that benchmark.

    Go Habs Go!

  45. JF says:

    RIS will show parts of it, annoyingly broken up with commentary, as they did last night. Frustrating, but better than nothing…

  46. HAB-PROFESSOR says:

    Max Pacioretty to Hamilton? NO.

    I disagree with BOONE. the decision has been made, PAX is in. as for CHIP and STEWART, thats still undecided, hence the lineup. Good to see the Captain on his permanent line with Tang/Higg and Kovy with his boys. Lang/Bonk will control the 3rd line… I can see CARBS master plan taking effect already.

  47. mjames says:

    I had the opportunity to see a replay of the Habs/Wings game. This kid Pax sure looks ready. Although he will likely go to Hamilton I believe he made the Habs as he definitely beat out a number of the regulars. I have to give kudos to Gainey and Timmins. I was not a fan of this Pax pick but I was sure wrong. This guy looks good. Speaking of good I thought DAgostini and Chipchura played well. I think these three have beat out Tenders but I am not sure how you send Tenders down without exposing him to waivers. We might lose him if we tried. The same can be said with Lapierre.

    I think O’Bryne needs to pick up his game. I do not think the Wings goal was entirely his fault but he is taking a number of penalties. He needs to play with more confidence. Brisbois did not look strong in my opinion.

    It will be interesting to see who makes the team. I think Gainey might have to work out some trades for draft choices in order to free up some space.


  48. twocents says:

    Assistant in Pittsburg in ’91 and ’92 and head coach for one year in Hartford in ’93-’94 losing record of 23-37-7.

  49. twocents says:

    I wasn’t thinking of any poster in particular, Maguire has simply been referred to too often today.

    He was driving me nuts last night with his, ‘There’s no way! Montreal! can send this!… Blah! blah! blah!… as if, if Pacioretty stays it was his idea.

    I say let him start in Hamilton and I look forward to a winter call up.

  50. Chuck says:

    Latendresse was rushed because there were hardly any other options. The Habs are now in a position where they can let Pacioretty develop at a more reasonable pace, including time in Hamilton learning the finder points of the game.


  51. Habhopeful says:

    He used to coach the penguins, I cant remember when but i think mid or late 90’s…

    “We get nose jobs all the time in the NHL, and we don’t even have to go to the hospital.”
    ~Brad Park.

  52. twocents says:

    I think it was sometime in the late ’80’s or early 90’s. By the late nineties he was doing c,olour for the Habs games on radio and it was already a bit of a distant memory though he yapped about it all the time. ‘When I was coaching… blah blah blah’

  53. HabsColor says:

    Without Markov (and Hamrlik), Habs D became D-, especially offensively.

  54. Gary320 says:

    I tend to disagree with Pierre Mcguire. Its rare I agree with him, until he discussed how Pac should get a spot in the team. I do not believe that Pac should get a spot BECAUSE of what Mcguire said. I believe he should get a spot BECAUSE of what Pac did. I just used Mcguire to support my opinion..

    As for PJ STOCK. I honestly don’t even think of his comments. I always disagree with him (although I guess with Pac.. agree) He (STOCK) tends to always go against the majoritys opinion.. If everyone say Carey Price sucks, he will most probably say Carey Price is the best.. just using an example..

  55. Skotbot says:

    Yea Gary,

    My post was mainly replying to a crazy guy about anglo vs franco.
    Its getting really tiresome..

    the post in question has since been removed.

    I think Pax will get his chance, but keeping him on long enough will just get the contract/UFA/everything else ball rolling.
    And heavens forbid we bring him up, just to have him fade away on a line with the interchangables…

    Do I listen to pop music because I am miserable?
    Or am I miserable because I listen to pop music?

  56. J.T. says:

    Awww…I’ve loved watching the prospects play, but I’m getting greedy to see the “real” lineup in action. I was just looking at the forward lines and thinking how close we’re getting to watching that real team. Then I saw the D…


  57. Skotbot says:

    I wonder when was the last time Pierre coached an NHL team anyways..

    1 coach per team
    1000000 backseat drivers per coach

    Do I listen to pop music because I am miserable?
    Or am I miserable because I listen to pop music?

  58. twocents says:

    It would be nice if he had something like a big musky or sturgeon exploding from the water, striking the bait.

    It’s consistent with his own passions and more palatable as a competitor’s image.

    Seriously, I don’t care as long as he plays as well as he has so far.

  59. Gary320 says:

    It’s true that the team now compared to Latendresse’s rookie year is different. Far better team today than we were 2/3 years ago. So there was more of a sense of urgency to get Lats up.

    However, my point of bringing up Latendresse has nothing to do wtih anglo/franco unlike some other people on this board. I’m tired of Anglo/Franco debate.. There is only one language in the NHL and that’s the language of Hockey. Cheesy yes.. I know. My point is that.. if we were willing to rush LAtendresse.. why not Pat? He demonstrated this pre-season he is capable of atleast playing some games this season.. I don’t think 82 games.. but I do think this guy should be part of our line up before Christmas time. It didn’t work out so badly for Price, and we weren’t in a rush for a goalie were we?

  60. Corio says:

    We want Max! We want Max!

  61. twocents says:

    I’m with you there Tommy B, they’re a couple of blowhard bozos and everyone is quoting them like they are the second coming of Pollock and Bowman.

  62. JIMVINNY says:

    Or maybe he should be allowed to look up to his own heroes, instead of having someone else’s pushed upon him… Speaking of Class…

  63. twocents says:

    The D side of D might be a bit scary tonight. A chance for O’Byrne to focus on his strengths, as we will be relying on him to provide all the muscle back there.

  64. Skotbot says:


    I was in the middle of commenting to that crazy anglo vs franco post, and when I hit post, the site told me the post im replying to does not exist..

    Im glad others thought what that guy wrote was nonsense..

    Anyways Pax = this years camp
    Lats = 2-3 years ago camp

    different circumstances guys.. pls keep that in mind.

    Do I listen to pop music because I am miserable?
    Or am I miserable because I listen to pop music?

  65. TommyB says:

    From reading some posts here you almost get the impression that Pierre Maguire should be the Habs GM and PJ Stock the coach.

    [shivers], pass the Tylenol 3’s please…and the season hasn’t even started.

  66. nightmare_49 says:

    Michael Ryder returns to old haunt (will dress tonight) .. by Fluto Shinwawa ….. http://www.boston.com/sports/hockey/bruins/articles/2008/10/01/ryder_returns_to_old_haunts/ …………………………. Tidbits – NHL Morning Papers .. by Richard Pollock ….. http://www.illegalcurve.com/2008/10/01/nhl-morning-papers-wednesday-edition-23/ ………………………………… Brian Burke sends message with trade .. by Dan Wood ….. http://www.ocregister.com/articles/ducks-donnell-guys-2175319-cap-camp ..TRANSACTION WIRE – Blues send down – Matt Foy, Andy Wozniewski and Brad Winchester – Washington send Keith Aucoin down – Nashville release Michael Ryan.

  67. Ian Cobb says:

    I don,t believe this game is on the tube anywhere, is it. Or is it a night for CJAD and being on here?????

  68. Tom S. says:

    re: Patch and Lats:

    I can understand the frustration on the part of some here. But Lats must be given every opportunity to succeed. He’s a power forward and they may take a bit longer to mature. Anyone remember a guy named LeClair? How would we feel if we traded Lats and he developed into a bonefide sniper? Patch will have his day. He’s only 19 and he has tons of skill, that won’t change, even if he plays in Hamilton and hones his skills while he’s there as a first line winger.

  69. HabFab says:

    Timo, it is a rule but since Pacs has not yet played a game as a pro or NHL to become a member of the NHLPA then it would not apply to him.Not swearing to this but seems logical.More of a NHLPA and CBA rule then NHL.

  70. HABZ24 says:

    glad cpt.k. is comming back. max-pac looked awesome on the ice last night.how can you send this guy down.guess team doesnt wanna make the lats mistake again.id dump dandy,insert pac-man.lang looks like coastalev 2 years ago, lang doesnt move his feet much, move it buddy.whats with price still having that stupid garth brookes pic on his mask, have some class,its the habs centennial year,ur our top goalie, put dryden or roy on ur mask.that price batting the puck save last nite was incredible.

  71. HabsColor says:

    Don’t forget that only Kyle Chipchura is already on the Roster, while other young legs are trying to earn a spot in CH.

  72. twocents says:

    I ran over to my friends house, he has a dish and what a treat it was. Saw most of the second and all of the rest. Thanks for looking out for me.

  73. Habsrule1 says:

    Good comeback…I’ll give you a bit of respect for that one!

    Go Habs Go!!


  74. HAB-PROFESSOR says:

    all the respect Krob – ok, the first prediction was slightly a long shot, but in general the post (and all my comments today) are just to shed some light on a potential problem with decisions that are fast approaching. I’m not the type to just say, ‘faith in BG etc..’ – damn I’m going to voice my opinion because thats what this site is for…and its awesome for it because fellow hab fans are interested in digging into the details, its not all about “trust in gainey etc…” – yes I trust Gainey and Carb, for the record, but I see (IMO) bad calls by Carb (ryder/breeze etc.) and today I’m just hinting that possibly his PAX CALL will be an error if he sends him down. The fact that everyone is going nuts today is actually a good thing, because its about a player that has risen to the occasion, and thats creating lineup debates, players vs players…tis the season!

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