A triumph of speed and skill over pugnacity and truculence

Ken Campbell of The Hockey News called the Canadiens 5-2 win over the Toronto Maple Leafs Wednesday night “a triumph of speed and skill over pugnacity, testosterone and truculence” on Twitter.

It was also another major step in the remarkable rebuilding job new GM Marc Bergevin has done with the Canadiens, who were sitting in first place in the Eastern Conference with a 13-4-3 record after the win in Toronto. The Canadiens were also in third place overall in the NHL, trailing only Chicago (16-0-3) and Anaheim (14-3-1).

Bergevin’s latest rebuilding move was acquiring Michael Ryder from the Dallas Stars on Tuesday, along with a third-round draft pick this year, in exchange for Erik Cole.

Coach Michel Therrien said Ryder “is the kind of player we need,” and used hiim on a line with Lars Eller and rookie Alex Galchenyuk. Ryder played 14:34 and his only shot was blocked, but Therrien was impressed with his debut.

“For a guy who didn’t get any sleep last night, he played a great game,”  Therren said.

Therrien gave his team the day off Thursday and scheduled a practice for 11 a.m. Friday in Brossard. Sidney Crosby and the Pittsburgh Penguins visit the Bell Centre Saturday (7 p.m., CBC, RDS, TSN 690 Radio), before the Canadiens embark on a five-game road trip that starts Sunday night in Boston and includes stops in Long Island, N.Y., Carolina, Tampa Bay and Florida.

Ryder excited to be back with Canadiens, by Pat Hickey

Strong finish in win over Leafs, by Pat Hickey

Don Cherry: If Phaneuf beats Prust, Leafs win, by Sportsnet

Kerry Fraser weighs in on controversial Habs vs. Leafs calls, by TSN.ca

Rookie Gallagher earns some praise, by Pat Hickey

Unexpected ending to Cole’s era in Montreal, by Pat Hickey

What goes around comes around with Habs, by Jack Todd

Emelin the Canadiens’ mystery man, by Brenda Branswell

Canadiens vs. Leafs photo gallery

Trip of a lifetime for Australian Habs fan, by Dave Stubbs

Fans weigh in on first episode of HIO show

(Photo by Frank Gunn/The Canadian Press)


  1. boing007 says:

    Saw a transactions ticker at NHLCenter that said the Flames have signed O’Reilly for two years at 5 million a year.

    Richard R
    Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

    • shootdapuck says:

      Not anymore Avs matched offer sheet!

      The cranial flatulence of PJ Stock:

      “On peut play cette game tres simplement”
      “Le game est tous de hard work”
      ” I have a pet peeve”

  2. Sportfan says:

    Sigh looking for full-time work is really hard -_- wish I was a millionaire 😛


  3. Chrisadiens says:

    Anyone else with CenterIce here? My feed for the OTT/BOS game is choppy as hell. Was wondering if it was a CI issue or a cable provider issue.

    Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

  4. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …Warning; experiment: ignore

    😎 😀 😯 😕 😡 ❓ 😳 😥 👿 Loria 💡 ➡ 😀 😛

    • Danno says:

      How do you make those emoticons appear?

      😎 😀 😯 😕 😡 ❓ 😳 😥 👿 💡 ➡ 😀 😛 🙄 😎 😀 😯 😕 😡 ❓ 😳 😥 👿 💡 ➡ 😀 😛 🙄 😎 😀 😯 😕 😡 ❓ 😳 😥 👿 💡 ➡ 😀 😛 🙄 😎 😀 😯 😕 😡 ❓ 😳 😥 👿 💡 ➡ 😀 😛 🙄 😎 😀 😯 😕 😡 ❓ 😳 😥 👿 💡 ➡ 😀 😛 🙄 :mrgreen: 😈

      Edit : Now I know…


      “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      Do you have a link for all the possible faces and their keyboard codes? Thanks 🙂

      “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

  5. Mattyleg says:

    My. God.
    What is wrong with Rogers Sportsnet?
    How can they be so bad at commentating?
    They just said that Boston may have been called for “an illegal substitution or too many men.”

    Illegal substitution.

    This ain’t the USNFgoddamnL.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  6. MikeHabs says:

    I think people forgot about this guy, “What is a Nokelainen?”: http://www.allaboutthehabs.ca/what-is-a-nokelainen/

  7. HabFab says:

    Sorry Mavid but Go Ottawa!

    And go Captain Kirk!

    Nuff said…

  8. jedimyrmidon says:

    Leafs play-by-play really can’t get over Brown’s extremely dangerous hit on Gorges being a 5min major. Can’t let it go for some reason.

  9. Habitant in Surrey says:


    …sorry, I was experimenting with the WordPress icon instruction for smile

    …I often use a smile when I am being facetious, joking or something pleases Me …but I don’t like the open-mouthed smile …prefer the subtle smile, and thought the WordPress instruction would do that

    …it doesn’t, and I feel funny having to ‘explain’ all this to You Turkeys 🙂

  10. Boomer says:

    The only thing I can think of is this:

    If the flames continue to suck. Iggy and Kipper are gone, possibly replenishing the draft picks lost to Colorado and Mtl. But not as good as the ones given up on the offer sheet (Calgary’s) (because iggy and Kipper would go to playoff bound teams, therefore higher draft positions.)

    If the Flames make the playoffs however… and this is a big IF. Well, odds are they won’t go deep. and they will not have a pick in this years deep draft pool until round number 4…

  11. Dr.Rex says:

    When I think of the Flames’ decision making it makes me think of those films about cavemen where the Homo Habilis man walks out of his cave bewildered, then touches a rock with his finger and acts frightened and then sniffs the air until he realizes the smell is from his armpit.

  12. HabFab says:

    I certainly hope someone is investigating the NHL at this moment…crooked officiating indeed;

  13. otisfxu says:

    All this same conference play is misleading,,,,,Habs and Leafs are not that good overall. They are both likely to make playoffs as they get to beat up on same lousy teams every week.
    Their record would be a lot different if they had played teams like Chicago, San jose, Anahiem, LA, Vancouver, St,Louis in thier rinks.

    This whole season is a mirage. Other than Boston and Pittsburg, cup should go west again.

    • The Jackal says:

      Sure, a team that was only lost 4 times in regulation, 2 months into the season, is “a mirage.”
      Habs look playoff bound, and they have what it takes to win a few rounds, whether they will or not will be seen in a few months.

    • Dr.Rex says:

      San Jose and LA would get vertigo trying to skate with the Habs.

    • Mattyleg says:


      Chicago, San Jose and Anaheim are in a more challenging conference with Phoenix, Columbus, Calgary, Nashville…?

      What utter nonsense.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • ross says:

      It’s worse than this! Even when the league is operating on a full schedule, the teams are *still* only ever playing the same set of teams over and over!!! It’s just a slightly larger set.

      These stupid Habs are a terrible hockey team until they really prove themselves, obviously by playing *all* of the hockey teams, across all leagues and organizations, everywhere. And then the teams from the other sports leagues too, in sequence, until the line-up from the first bunch of teams has died or been replaced, so that we never play the same team twice. Only *then*,,,,,,, does it make ANY sense at all to claim that the Habs are a decent hockey team.

  14. 25insight says:

    Anyone else play NHL 13 on PS3? If so Send me your account names!

    Anyone know why NHL 13 stil ldoesn’t have Gallagher or Ryder on the roster?

  15. The Jackal says:

    I get why many here are questioning the offer sheet CGY just put forth to COL for O’Reilly, but in the end, their first round pick is not top 5, and they are only 3 points of out 8th. Even without him, they seem to be picking it up. Should they sign him, he is an immediate help. It’s like the first round pick turned into a top 6 forward instantly, so in that sense its a first for a first, but a first for a guaranteed player who is projected to be quite good – that’s a good deal IMO. The third is a loss, so they lose there, but in my view it’s not a bad move. If anything, they still have many assets to move, and that’s the most important thing moving forward – what they do with these veterans that will get a good return. But a first and third for an established young player is not that bad. The bad thing there is the cap hit.

  16. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …Don Cherry is right, Phaneuf dropping his mitts with Prust very well may have turned around the mo of the Weeds

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      Cherry was right when he said that if you’re going to stir up trouble, then you should answer the bell. You can’t just stand there and whack someone repeatedly and then skate away. Can’t believe I’m actually agreeing with Don Cherry…my head hurts…

      “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

      • HabFab says:

        He also said that Pylon also likes to fight with smaller players. Needs to fight the tough guys too!

        • Habitant in Surrey says:

          …he plays a very different game now than when he first came-up in Calgary …now that he’s in the money

          …he ran at Gallagher to decapitate him to start the game,then declines Prust exactly at a time when the Weeds needed something to change the game’s momentum

          …bad decisions for a ‘captain’

          …but Phaneuf will likely turn it around, especially after being called-out by Cherry and the inbreds in TO

    • Mad Habber says:

      Do you hear the segment from Hockey Central? McLean says he should’ve fought Pacioretty or Subban…lol why would either one of those two drop the gloves with Phaneauf and sit in the box for five minutes with him. What are they going say…”Sorry guys I didn’t want to make it so easy to score, so I had to help Caryle out by getting him and me off the ice.”

  17. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …I like the story up top about the Filipina-Australian girl with the hotz for Diaz (and Our Habs) that spent a fair bit flying from the other hemisphere to requite Her longings

    …another pleasant Stubb’s read

    …I spent going-on 3/4s of My Life back’n’forth between Asia/Australia and Canada …One would have then, and likely today, to dig very deep before happening-on someone who knew ice hockey …those One did meet were often more knowledgeable and passionate than many here in Canada

    …My Kids are half Asian, so this story left Me a lingering smile

  18. frontenac1 says:

    Who the hell is Fester?

  19. HabFanSince72 says:

    Why does everyone think this move mortgages Calgary’s future? I don’t know about this O’Reilly kid but he’s 22 and a lot of people seem to think he will be very good. Elliotte Friedman – no dummy – suggests he’s better than Duchenne.

    If that’s the case he is the future.

    Also I think Calgary will not finish in the bottom 5. As Hobie says they’re not a bad team and that first round pick could end up being the 16th pick or lower. Right now they have the 9th pick in the draft. Not McKinnon or Jones territory.

    It all depends on how good you think O’Reilly is. But if he’s at all good, Colorado is the bush league organization for letting him go in exchange for a speculative draft pick.

    • Habilis says:

      Maybe it’s because I don’t see the Flames being as good as you do, but I have to disagree.

      The only way this move makes sense to me is if the team getting O’Reilly is close to contending for a Cup. The Flames are not.

      Despite the fact that it’s an offer sheet, This reminds me of the Kessel deal. It didn’t work for the Leafs, I can’t see it working for the Flames.

    • Stevie.Ray says:

      It is not as bad if O’Reilly resigns in two years. But if he doesn’t then it delays CGY’s rebuild another year

      • rnnoble says:

        If he resigns, it’s for 6.5 million per year minimum. The first round pick is a gamble, but O’Reilly is a bit of a gamble as well (he’s only scored over 50 points once, and didn’t put up huge numbers in junior); at least the first round pick gamble isn’t going to cost 6.5 million per year.

  20. 25insight says:

    Anyone think Therrien should stick to developing Galchenyuk at his natural postion rather than switching him between wing and center all the time?


    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      I think it is not an issue short term. Better to give Eller a real shot at playing center regularly.

      “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

  21. Habilis says:

    Get this:

    If Colorado decides not to match, Calgary will have to send them their first rounder and their third rounder for the 2013 draft.

    So the Flames will have zero picks in the first three rounds of a better than average draft. Keep in mind that they are on pace to finish in the bottom 10.

    The only justification for that, in my mind, is to win a Cup. Does anyone here think that O’Reilly makes the Flames a Cup contender?

    I’m baffled by this move.

    • Danno says:

      Could be a dangerous bluff


      “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

    • Phil C says:

      Flames ownership and/or management must think they can contend in the playoffs, otherwise it makes no sense, as you say.

    • Stevie.Ray says:

      If, and only if, this is a signal that CGY is going to get serious about a youth movement, then this makes kind of sense. Even though they have no picks and by the time any youth develop O’Reilly could be long gone.

      I’m thinking they may try to trade Iginla, Cammallerri, Bouwmeester, Wideman, Giordano, and Tanguay at the deadline and maybe bring on some good prospects and some high picks

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      Flames fans must be going bananas. They only thing that kept me sane last year was the draft anticipation.

      “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

    • Sportfan says:

      They either think they have the playoffs locked up or, they must be trading guys like Iginla for picks etc


    • HabFan in Edmonton says:

      I am baffled too, this kind of money for a guy who has never scored 20 goals a year at any level (19 was his best in junior). Maybe he turns into a good 2nd line center. I think Bergevin is way too smart to do something like this. The Flames are desperate.

    • habbernack says:

      This guy has scored 107 pts. over 3 years That’s 35 pts a year and calgary is gonna pay him 6.5 mill next year. Definitly a head scratcher

    • donmarco says:

      Calgarys window is closing rapidly. Try have to make some kind of run this year or its explosion time. Now or never. The offer sheet makes sense. But they won’t get him.

  22. donmarco says:

    O’Reilly must think he’s died and gone to heaven. And with the second year being 6.5 thats the minimum he’d get as a qualifying offer the year after. I still think the Avs will match it. Would they have traded him for a first and third? No. So they’ll eat the contract and move on.

    • Habilis says:

      I’m not so sure. Keeping in mind how strong this draft is, Colorado might want to just roll the dice and take the picks. Consider that the Avalanche sit 25th in the NHL right now. Calgary is only 23rd. Two top ten picks in this draft could be some serious ammo.

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      I don’t think Calgary is heaven…no offense to the Calgary boys on the site…

      “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

    • Psycho29 says:

      Great stuff! Thanks Sportsfan!
      Rusty was my baseball hero growing up. Was at Dorval airport with my parents to pick up a relative and the Expos happened to arrive at the same time. I ran to the parking lot to get Rusty’s autograph. I didn’t even bother to ask the teammate he was with.

      Those colour film clips remind me of getting to the games at Jarry Park really early and going down near the dugout to get pictures and autographs………

  23. Sportfan says:

    Milbury saying Ovie should be ashamed, funny coming from the ass hat who hit a fan with a shoe


  24. HabinBurlington says:

    Who would you rather have MacKinnon/Drouin/Jones or OReilly, well done Jay Feaster, you are the village idiot.

    Why does a hockey smart market like Calgary allow a GM as stupid as Feaster to run this team?

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      Barkov too…4 potential home runs…

      “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

      • HabinBurlington says:

        agree fingers got tired typing all the great top picks this year, there is also that Russian kid who scored a big goal in the Canada Russia game. A very bad year to give up a 1st, when the playoffs are far from a guarantee.

        • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

          Yeah makes no sense. The Flames are still tankable. They can deal Iginla, Bouwmeester and Kiprusoff…just mind blowing…

          “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Scratching head.


    • Timo says:

      Because it’s an old boys club. Like a lot of companies in Calgary (and I am sure elsewhere), executives are not hired based on what they can do, it’s based on who you know and who knows you. You scratch my back I’ll scratch yours.

    • ed says:

      the last 10, flames are a .500 team.

      they are 3 points out of playoff spot now.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Third year in the NHL, Age 22:

      Goals / Assts / Pts

      Jarome Iginla 28 / 23 / 51

      Ryan O’Reilly 18 / 37 / 55

    • donmarco says:

      I’d rather have o’Reilly. More developed and a better known commodity. Even highly rated picks, and no guarantee this would be a top 5, don’t always pan out. So it’s a crappy contract for Colorado to eat, so what? They have gobs of cap space. IMHO of course.

  25. Hobie Hansen says:

    For about 4 years now Calgary has needed to blow things up and start fresh. Even casual fans that don’t pay attention to the salary cap, draft and all that stuff can easily see that.

    But if you look at their current roster, which has played some decent hockey the last couple weeks, and add O’Reilly, they look decent. A top 6 of O’Reilly, Iginla, Tanguay, Glencross, Hudler and Cammalleri is pretty good. Aside from Stepniak, who I’ve seen play a scrappy, feisty and solid game a couple games this year, I don’t know a heck of a lot about their bottom six.

    And their defense is pretty good too. People dump on Bouwmeester cuz he was supposed to put up bigger numbers but a lot of commentators have said he’s been solid this year. Wiedman is a good defenseman with some offensive upside and Giordano is their bigger version of Gorges.

    Kiprussof is a better than average goaltender in their net.

    So when you ignore the future, like Feaster seems to do, and focus on their current spot in the standings, 3pts out, add O’Reilly, I could see the Flames making the playoffs.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      They have a roster which “Should” be pretty decent, but they haven’t played decent in years, so what really are they? And now they just sacrificed more of their future for Dr. Phil’s kid.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        Well I think with O’Reilly and the additions of Hudler and Weidman makes their roster better than it has been in a few years. Not saying I love it but it seems they’re a bit deeper and a more solid team.

    • ed says:

      Hobie, you make an important point.

      Some teams can not afford to wait, they NEED to make something happen in the here and now.

      I know that the Habs ran their team like that for many of these past 20 years, and it was based on the philosophy:

      “just make the playoffs, and then a hot goalie can get you very, very far”.

      Different teams have different philosophies.

      • HabFab says:

        Ed, off subject but what is happening in Quebec with Duclair?

        • ed says:

          in what sense?

          He was injured from Oct 1 – Nov 9th.

          He had a bad month of january and much of february, but he is starting to play better lately with 3 goals and 2 assists in his last 4 games.

          I like him a lot.

          I believe he will slide out of the 1st round and someone is going to get a very exciting NHL player in the 2nd round.

          there was some kind of internal fight, but it was nothing terrible.

          • HabFab says:

            Heard stories of him and Eren feuding or something so bad that they were sent home from a road trip.

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      Wait until Edmonton finally get going…being decent short term makes no sense for Calgary…Pierre LeBrun actually just called Calgary a “bit of a gong show”…

      “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

  26. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    Flames real GM…duh duh-duh-duh, snap snap, duh duh-duh-duh, snap snap…


    “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

  27. Sportfan says:

    LOL wow look at what Calgary just did, what do they lose if O’Reilly ends up in Calgary


  28. twilighthours says:

    Not that it would get this far, but does anyone know if there is something in the CBA for this?

    A team is at the cap ceiling but doesn’t have enough players to ice a full roster… Only 15 players and maxed cap. Something like that.

    • HabFab says:

      Not sure if you’re looking at Philly but there is still the Cap Relief for LTIR.

      There was talk during the CBA negations about putting some team cash penalties with Cap overage rolling over into the next season for that scenario. But have not seen final the CBA, so not sure.

    • 2mins4lookinsooogood says:

      I don’t know about this year but a few years ago Calgary had that happen to them – dressed 16 total I beleive just before the playoffs

      “Don’t crush that dwarf Alex Henry, hand me the pliers”

  29. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    So guys…what do you do if you are Colorado?

    “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

  30. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    So the Flames (unless Colorado is completely nuts and matches) won’t have a 1st, 2nd or 3rd this year. One of the deepest draft years in a while.

    Must admit, living in Calgary is always a healthy reminder of what things could be like when the negativity around here starts circulating, haha

    • Stevie.Ray says:

      Oh man CGY is dumb. They have been battling cap issues for years and now they sign O’Reilly to a huge contract. They have almost 0 good prospects so they give up their first and third round picks (and we have their second round pick) so now they won’t be able to rebuild.
      Expect Iginla, Cammallerri, Tanguay, Bouwmeester and Wideman to be traded this year otherwise this team is swamped.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      They could get a 1st for Iggy.

      • chanchilla says:

        but with this trade they are expecting to make the playoffs and will need iginla, this just shows how dumb Feaster really is, he put himself in a situation where no matter what, calgary has to succeed.

  31. cthabfan says:

    yes, speed kills, but we dodged a couple of bullets last night. Two of our guys could have been really hurt. Bottom line is we need a HW,or we won’t last in a playoff series against the Bruins or god forbid the Leafs.We can get away with it for a game ,but a series I don’t believe so. We are playing Russian roulette here with our skilled players, being carried off the ice. We need a Robinson type of player.

    • Ghosts of the Forum says:

      How’d we last in the last playoff series with Boston then?

      • Lafleurguy says:

        Team speed I think. The worst of the Bruins goon show showed up against the Canucks. We lament Ryder’s glove save, but if only Gionta’s shot got through Thomas before Horton’s series’ winner in 7th game OT.

        “May you live in interesting times.”

    • 2mins4lookinsooogood says:

      In a playoff series there are no “fights”. You find me a heavyweight who can play normal minutes as good or better than the current group and I will show you a very, very long list of suitors.

      It’s about time to stop the cult of personality around Larry Robinson. He was one of the best defencemen ever to play, supported his teammates and dropped them on occasion but he was not Zeus.

      4th line hacks don’t care who is on the ice, they are going to try to run someone.

      “Don’t crush that dwarf Alex Henry, hand me the pliers”

  32. Loonie says:

    Jay Feaster makes Brian Lawton look like Sam Pollock.

    • Lafleurguy says:

      …..makes Brian Burke look like Brian Lawton….

      • HabFab says:

        Bob Mackenzie said last night that Burkie was top GM this season for putting together this Leaf contender.
        One of the few dumb ass remarks I have ever heard from the guy.

        • Lafleurguy says:

          Wow!…..”Top” GM…..is dependable Bob resorting to sensational journalism ’cause the other TSN panelists hog all the air time? (probably made his comment when the score was 2-2 after two periods)

          “May you live in interesting times.”

        • jedimyrmidon says:

          Burke is like Gainey in the sense that he’s made some good moves, but also made a huge blunder in acquiring Kessel and simultaneously giving rebuild-worthy picks to a divisional rival that then won the Cup without the help of those picks, ensuring that they will be a major thorn in the side of the Leafs (and Habs) for years to come (phewf).

          Bergevin is new and doesn’t have a huge body of work, but he has done quite a few significant things like signing Price, Pacs and Subban to new contracts (no easy task), the draft (mostly Timmins & co. though), hiring Michel Therrien and also free agency.

          What was dumb was having Nonis on there: I don’t think he’s had to do anything at all so far.

        • Habfan10912 says:

          Burke already helped a club win a cup as Leaf GM.


        • twilighthours says:

          That tsn quiz thing is just for entertainment value

    • jedimyrmidon says:

      This is like the Leafs trading for Kessel (to a lesser degree). They’ll probably end up making Colorado a strong divisional rival that is already on their way to another top 3 pick in addition to having already obtained players like Duchene and Landeskog via top 3 picks in the draft.

      • Loonie says:

        If I’m Greg Sherman and Feaster calls me wanting to make a trade before the time expires, I laugh in his face.

        He’s giving a first and third in a great draft to a team that has Duchene and Stastny and they’re likely to be in the same division next year.

        And Landeskog may end up being centreman yet.

    • Ghosts of the Forum says:

      Feaster might’ve just given the Avs Jones AND MacKinnon…makes Brian Burke look like Marc Bergevin…

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      Can’t be worse than Mike “Rockport” Millbury…

      “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

  33. Lawrencetown Liquor Pigs says:

    So for some reason I picked today to check out a Laffs message board for the first time. Actually, I think we all know the reason…… They seem to be taking the game in stride really, maybe an anomaly, a blip that doesn’t make sense with the rest of the limited sample.

    I was, actually, surprised at how many of them understood that they are, as a team, screwed if the opponent doesn’t bite on the fighting and other assorted flotsam and jetsam and just plays hockey.

    Funny that.

    Double or nothing on the Kraken bet.

    • Habitant in Surrey says:

      …I disdain the Leafs’organization, but I feel for their fans

      …i think they all suffer from Stockholm Syndrome

    • HabFab says:

      I had a Leaf fan come into my office looking for abuse this AM. Not my style, but he said something similar in that the Leafs win by fighting and intimidating their opponents to start the games with.

    • Lawrencetown Liquor Pigs says:

      Trouble with playing them, or a team like them (I’m looking at you Boston,) in a playoff series is even when you get by them you’re short a couple of concussed hockey players going forward.

      Double or nothing on the Kraken bet.

  34. HabFanSince72 says:

    I mentioned this before, but the HNIC Hotstove crew thought O’Reilly would have been picked top three now if his draft were redone.

  35. HabFanSince72 says:

    Confirmed – the offer is for a $5M/season cap hit for two years.

  36. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    People around the office in Calgary not happy about the offer sheet.

    Strong feeling that the Flames were in for a top 3 pick this year…and O’Reilly is not worth it.

    (based on salary it’d be a first and third going back)

    • Lawrencetown Liquor Pigs says:

      Potentially 2 top 3 picks for Colorado. Let the guy leave…….

      Double or nothing on the Kraken bet.

  37. habstrinifan says:

    I must be late with old news caus eI dont see any reaction. But Calgary has signed O;Reilly to an offer sheet.

  38. mdp2011 says:

    @DarrenDreger: Breaking: Told thhe Flames have filed an offer sheet on Ryan O’Reilly. #TSN

  39. jedimyrmidon says:

    Apparently, Flames offer sheeted Ryan O’Reilly

  40. frontenac1 says:

    @mr.Biter. Mario Tremblay said the same thing last night! Hey, get rid of Stock and put Grapes on AC! That would be worth wating amigos.

  41. ont fan says:

    15 of the 16 teams that were in the playoffs with 28 games left, last year, made the playoffs. The Leafs dropped out and the Caps made it in.

    • Lafleurguy says:

      Apple-orangeish. If we missed the playoffs by 15 points last year, that would be 8.7 points this year because of the compact schedule. If one club leads another by 8.7 points this year, in simplistic math terms it is like a 15 point lead in an 82 game schedule. However, since each game this year is worth 3.4 of last year’s 2 point game and a 3 point game worth 5.1 of last year’s, the algebra gets quite complicated. Again, pundits say 54 points get you into the playoffs, so Habs need 25 points in the final 28 games.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

  42. Ian Cobb says:

    Charity Donation conversation below!!!

    No way that I can explain to you guys about how the tax’s work for a donation. There are so many angles, they use their wives, income spiting, children having accounts and so much more.

    When all is said and done, it would cost him peanuts out of his pocket. It would work out to be about a 95% tax credit!

    • Mr_MacDougall says:

      Ian, the money has to come from somewhere. That place is his NIBT (Net Income Before Taxes). The reason it is more beneficial for a wealthy person to donate is simply because they are in a higher tax bracket..

      From Below:
      Of the $250,000 100% comes out of his Gross Income (Income before taxes).

      Had he NOT donated the breakdown would be as follow:
      29% federal Income tax (on income over $135,054)
      13.16% provincial income tax (on income over $509,000)

      $105,400 Taxes
      $144,600 NIAT (Net income after tax)

      essentially is costs Dion $144,600 of “after tax money” to donate $250,000…

      These numbers are assuming he files his income tax in Ontario.

      A LARGE amount more than not one cent Ian!!!!

  43. frontenac1 says:

    Hogtown Media? Now you know why they haven’t been in the Playoffs for 6yrs and haven’t won a Cup in 46yrs. Just ignore amigos,not even funny anymore,just pathetic.

  44. Smiths Falls Habs Fan says:

    Kerry Fraser has written articles in favour of the Habs. 3 this year alone. Just saying.

  45. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    I hope Gorges is OK…he took a couple of huge hits last night. Looked really out of it after one from McLaren in the third — was roaming around in his own end and almost lead to a goal.

  46. frontenac1 says:

    @hobie. End the Day? Are you kidding?Jeeze, we”re just gettin started down here in the Limestone City. Saludos!

  47. Hobie Hansen says:

    I’d like to end the day buy saying that the Habs are awesome man! We have a very good mix of players now and I haven’t been this happy with the makeup of our team since the early 90s.

    Go Habs Go!

  48. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …lots of links to good reads above

    …enjoyed Brenda Branswell’s video & insight column on Alexei Emelin,

    …Stu Cowan is introducing a lot of new features and fresh blood to keep HIO’s joint jumpin’

    …funny, Mea Culpa, I have maligned both Therrien and Jack Todd in the past …Therrien, in My books,and likely Yours, is Jack Adams Award material today if a vote was taken now …and Jack Todd has had a string of entertaining reads that haven’t provoked One to petition Ottawa to deport him back to the US

    …what’s left to piss Me off ???

    …with the way Our Habs are playing …nuttin’ ! (for the moment 🙂 )

    …err, well, there’s always Gary Bettman and da Weedz I guess 🙂

    Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY

    Campaign to Retire Toe Blake’s Number 6 !!!

    …and, last, but not least: FREE PK !!!

  49. frontenac1 says:

    Boy oh Boy, full slate of games tonight amigos. Love this Centre Ice package!

  50. Saltwater Cowboy says:

    I can’t stand Phaneuf either but he spends $250,000.00 every year for a box @ the ACC for sick children to watch hockey

    • Ian Cobb says:

      Tax right off my friend. Either he gives it to charity and looks good or he sends it in taxes to Ottawa, to pay my Old age pension!

      • athanor says:

        He’d still be out a whole whack of dough.

        • Ian Cobb says:

          Not one cent my friend!

          • Saltwater Cowboy says:

            Please explain Ian

          • Timo says:

            The hit is not $250K due to lowering his income, but he still forks most it.

            Any accountants here?

          • Bripro says:

            The box is purchased as a registered charity. This way, it qualifies as an income tax credit.
            He can claim all of this as a donation to a registered charity and get back as much as 75%.
            And I’m not an accountant but spend some time in my accountant’s office.

          • HabFab says:

            Not an accountant but he would be paying out about 56% himself and getting a tax write off on the other 44%.

          • Mr_MacDougall says:

            Of the $250,000 100% comes out of his Gross Income (Income before taxes).

            Had he not donated the breakdown would be as follow:
            29% federal Income tax (on income over $135,054)
            13.16% provincial income tax (on income over $509,000)

            $105,400 Taxes
            $144,600 NIAT (Net income after tax)

            essentially is costs Dion $144,600 of “after tax money” to donate $250,000…

            These numbers are assuming he files his income tax in Ontario.

            A LARGE amount more than not one cent Ian!!!!

          • Timo says:

            I’ll be talking to you guys come tax season 🙂

    • Bill says:

      It’s stupid of any of us to hate any NHL player “personally”, because we don’t know them. I hate Phaneuf on the ice, leave it at that, tempting as it is to think he’s as big a jerk in real life as he is in the rink.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

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