A summer of love, golf and hard work for Habs’ Prust

Rugged Canadiens forward Brandon Prust and his girlfriend, Quebec television personality Maripier Morin, celebrated their third anniversary on Thursday.

“It’s been 3 years today that I have the joy to call you my boyfriend. Thanks for making me the happiest girl on earth,” Morin tweeted, linking an Instagram photo of the floral arrangement Prust had sent her.

At the same time, Prust was teeing it up in the alumni golf tournament of the London Knights, for whom he had played four seasons of major-junior hockey.

“That,” Prust told The Gazette’s Dave Stubbs on Friday with a laugh of his having been golfing with the boys on his anniversary, “is why I sent the flowers.”

But Prust’s summer of love and golf has also included lots of hard work while rehabbing tender ribs and a battered left shoulder from last season.

The good news for the Canadiens is that Prust (shown in photo above with Morin, centre, and Anne-Marie Withenshaw) says he’s in great shape five weeks from the start of training camp.

The ribs are “all better,” he said, “healed up after I took about five weeks before I started testing them out.”

(Gazette file photo/Peter McCabe)

A summer of love, golf and hard work for Habs’ Prust, by Dave Stubbs

Trainers marvel at Prust’s work ethic, by Dave Stubbs

Penguins hire Jacques Martin as assistant coach, montrealgazette.com

Patrick Roy behind bench is Avalanche X-Factor, NHL.com

Habs prospect Fucale backstops Canada to junior win over Sweden, montrealgazette.com

Second straight Stanley Cup for McGill grad Kompon, by Brenda Branswell

 

594 Comments

  1. frontenac1 says:

    @habfan72. Sounds like my last physical.

  2. twilighthours says:

    Jordan Boyd is from my town, and I just finished teaching a bunch of kids he grew up and played minor hockey with. This is a sad story. Everyone around here is in shock. Terrible.

  3. frontenac1 says:

    Screw England! I’m going to Scotland next month and it’s Single Malts all the way amigos! I think they eat kippers or something but so what?

  4. Bill says:

    @Maritime Ron: I’ve been to England four times and had precisely zero good meals. Even the beer is overrated: I drank Czechvar every time.

    But if you like theatre – and I do – there is no better experience than seeing a Royal Shakespeare Company production. I’d go to London anytime!

  5. NightRyder says:

    Bring us Malkin:

    His pa claims the young fella said if he were ever to leave Pittsburgh, he would go to the Rangers or the Canadiens.

    Straight up for Desharnais.

  6. Habfan10912 says:

    Boston Mob boss found guilty. Surrenders nearly 1million in cash but gets to keep a Stanley Cup ring? Reports he got the ring from a third party. Smell fishy.

    http://m.usatoday.com/article/news/2642407

  7. frontenac1 says:

    @habinsurrey. That’s the first post that I actually understood in quite awhile.Saludos!

  8. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …sitting here outdoors with orange crash helmet on, blue flotation vest , and a colorful t-shirt …not too color-coordinated, but who’s complaining

    …My kidz and I are awaiting the next raft to shoot these rapids roaring down this river …and We wanna come back ALIVE …dang nab it !

    …this, i guess, an indication that HIO and Our crazed Fans are being stealthily read in far flung places on Our little planet

    …so, watch what You are babbling about, dang nab it !

    …I’m taking My valuable time out to chirp-in about this McCarron dude

    …I twernt too enamored by He being Our first selection initially, I t’ink mainly because I’m not enthusiastic about the Montreal Canadiens soon having to be renamed da Muntreeall ‘Mericans

    …but, having given that nationalistic propensity a respectable opportunity to fulminate, I got seriously and a little more objectively considering this big Yankee lug’s potential to totally change the Lilliputian culture of Our Team

    …I don’t have much time to get into detail, ’cause I see Our raft coming down the river and I will be shi!!ing My pants pretty soon …but before I do, put Me on record to say McCarron has the potential to be Our most important draft choice since Galchenyuk

    …err, well, let’s say Price (if He ever lives up to all Our Lady Fans expectations)

    …McCarrons potential ‘presense’ on Our Team of Baby Huey proportions and decent skill, I think, fully justifies HabsProspects selection of He as number one …if not ‘One’, then Top 3

    …meanwhile, I’ve gotta a raft to catch …pray for Me :)

  9. frontenac1 says:

    @timo. Damned if I know. Anybody seen nuna?

  10. frontenac1 says:

    Hello Tokyo.

  11. frontenac1 says:

    @rino. I really like Dumont. Kid has moxie and skill Imo. He’s a keeper.

  12. Chris says:

    The Canadiens could potentially have a very pleasant dilemma on their hands. Who will be the face of this franchise in three years if all goes according to plan?

    P.K. Subban – elite all-around defenceman?

    Carey Price – elite goaltender?

    Alex Galchenyuk – multilingual elite forward?

    All three are relatively young, photogenic and obscenely talented. Not a bad problem to have for the Habs marketing department!

    • Maritime Ron says:

      Two of those three are ‘absolutely guaranteed’ to be here.
      Which one is not?
      :-)

      • Bill H says:

        None are absolutely guaranteed to be with the Habs in the future. Sometimes things just don’t work out. But of the three, I’d say Subban is the most likely to be with the Habs in 4 or 5 years. He’s the one that has developed most fully as a player. But even in his case, the salary cap can really alter a team’s plans for certain players.

        That said, I do think, and hope, that all three have a bright future with the team.

    • neumann103 says:

      +++

      Lars Eller – even more multilingual super good forward

      Brendan Gallagher – boy next door, give 110%, lessons for the kids, aw schucks feel good story

      Nathan Beaulieu – smooth skatin’, party lovin’, ever tweetin’, two steps of the law ahead offensive defensman dynamo and lovable rogue. Chelios Jr.

      “Et le but!”

      • Chris says:

        What is impressive about Galchenyuk is that he is fluent in a Romantic Language (Italian), a Germanic language (English) and a Slavic language (Russian). That is pretty darned impressive and pretty tough.

        Eller’s three main languages (English, Swedish, Danish) are all closely related. I take off difficulty points for that. Although if he picked up some Finnish while playing in Finland during the lockout, he gets lots of bonus points. Finnish is a tough language.

        • neumann103 says:

          Ah, I didn’t know about the Italian aptitude of young AGally. Very good. Should help him in picking up some French.

          Point well taken on the Nordic languages. I guess you have some closer family history with Danish, but I have heard Swedes refer to Danish as sounding like Swedish spoken by a drunk (actually slightly less politically correct terminology but, cleaning it up for the kids) so I can understand the point deduction. Eller’s English however is better currently than Galchenyuk’s, which to me is impressive.

          Finnish is a whole other matter. I have some Finns in the extended family as well as Estonian friends. I think those languages are quite close, probably not much further off each other than Danish and Swedish are, but Finnish and Estonian bear no resemblance to any other language in the slightest. Totally off the map. I expect that most of the players in the SM Liga speak some English or Swedish and that is how Larry got by. If he actually learned Finnish, well hats off.

          “Et le but!”

          • Steven says:

            Not so sure about the comparison of Eller’s English with Galchenyuk’s. Galchenyuk is an American, and has spoken pretty well in interviews I’ve seen. Just because he has a more pronounced accent than Eller doesn’t mean his spoken English is worse.

          • Chris says:

            Galchenyuk’s second language (after Russian) is actually Italian, which he picked up as a kid in Italy while his dad was playing there. When Galchenyuk came to the OHL, his English was decent, but you could definitely tell it was not his first language. It has really improved.

            Danish is a hideous sounding language. Whenever my father spoke Danish, it sounded like he had pneumonia and was talking with marbles jammed in his throat. Nobody will ever pick up members of the opposite gender by speaking Danish!

            Many Finns speak Swedish, as there is a long (and somewhat exploitative) history of Swedish business in Finland. And most Western/Northern European countries teach English very well in school (much better than we teach English in our own schools, sadly). My Dad was absolutely disgusted with the level of English instruction throughout the Ontario school system.

          • Dunboyne Mike says:

            Galchenyuk’s dad would be similarly unimpressed with the way English is taught in Ireland, particularly at the elementary level.

            Even worse is the teaching of Irish — compulsory for 45 minutes per day throughout 8 years of elementary school, after which only a tiny minority can actually speak the language and most of them end up despising it.

            The only schools where this doesn’t happen is in the Irish-immersion ones, but they are few in number. My understanding is that in the Scandinavian countries everyone is immersed in their native language but also gets hefty amounts of English, branching into other continental languages in high school. Wish they’d do that here.

            (@Neumann: bizarrely, Finnish is related to Hungarian!)

    • Timo says:

      I think the only real dilemma Habs have is this… other than 2-3 players (provided they are not injured), this is not a playoffs team. It’s a first 40 games of the season team. All those other things are fluff none of which would matter if this team could actually seriously push for the cup.

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        Is that a hunch, Timo? I’m trying to imagine them all just breaking after 40 and then dragging themselves painfully through the second half of the sched. But I can’t! Won’t compute.

    • rhino514 says:

      Very interesting, when the habs signed McCarron, the overall feeling i got was that it wasn´t a home run pick; that they were signing size over skill. But now he is suddenly the number 1 prospect?
      If other sites also agree with this assessment and it´s not just a rosy-colored view from one source, this makes one believe the habs did alright with their first pick.

      The prospect pool to me is good because of the dmen; Tinordi, Beaulieu look like they will be fulltime defensemen, and I think at least one of Nygren, Dietz, or even Bennett or Pateryn could easily make it to a fulltime role.

      On the other hand, I think the forwards are nothing to write home about. The one guy who looks like he has a good chance is Collberg. Methinks Briere is keeping his seat warm.
      Leblanc, sadly, seems to have fallen in the view of most, but I wouldn´t count him out just yet.
      Hudon, Bozon…they are small and there are plenty of young kids who put up big numbers in the qmjhl. They still need to take a major step forward.
      I´m also intrigued about where Dumont would be if he wasn´t graduated. Anyone think this guy is a sleeper?

    • neumann103 says:

      The top of that list is insane.

      Anyone who has McCarron ranked over Tinordi and Beaulieu is mentally ill. (no offense intended to the legitimately mentally ill).

      Generally this list seems to reflect being overly obsessed with the 2013 draft. And I don’t mean looking at recent performances by players like Lekhonen and De La Rose and bumping them up on the “what have you done for me lately” scale. I mean “Really still smitten with this year’s draft to the extent that you list Connor Crisp at #21. Or at all.”

      “Et le but!”

      • rhino514 says:

        i suspected as much. hard to believe McCarron really is the habs number one prospect. Not saying he was a bad pick, but don´t buy number one. I could see him out of the top five easily.

    • wildwilly says:

      Like others whom have already commented, the top prospects should be people most likely to play in the NHL next season. Then I’d add players that will be good in a few years, followed by the “maybes” and “not likely to make it”.

      Based on that, Tinordi should be top. I’d put McCarron as “good in a few years”.

      • neumann103 says:

        I can understand that people could weight guys for ceiling vs readiness so that players like Collberg, Lekhonen, Hudon and Bozon would be higher than less talented guys who might top out as marginal third liners. There are a number of ways to do handle this. I think Bournival is much more likely to play a game in the NHL before any of those guys, but I would probably place him below them on the prospect depth chart. And I say that from the perspective that despite their talent I would be astonished if all of Collberg, Lekhonen, Hudon and Bozon actually had NHL careers.

        But on any measure -talent, readiness, ceiling, probability of making the NHL – a player like Beaulieu who has near elite offense defenseman skills and elite skating who has actually played in the NHL has to be above someone like McCarron who has “good for a giant guy” skills but is a million miles away from actually demonstrating anything.

        Even in giant guy terms, he might eventually eclipse Tinordi, although Tinordi is essentially already an NHL player and McCarron is a kid who hasn’t played a game in Junior.

        I hope that McCarron turns into a less objectionable version of Lucic, but I wouldn’t bet any money on it at this early stage. Even if he does make the NHL, it is unlikely that it is at that 1st line forward level. I am trying to think how he would even break my Top 10, let alone come up #1.

        “Et le but!”

    • Maritime Ron says:

      Bill Kitchen (1982-1983)
      Dwight Schofield (1983)
      Jocelyn Gauvreau (1984)
      Dave Allison (1984)
      Jeff Teal (1985)
      Shayne Corson (1986)
      Donald Dufresne (1989-1993)
      Peter Popovic (1994-1998)
      Sergei Zholtok (1999-2001)
      Jim Dowd (2004)
      Shawn Belle (2010)
      Nigel Dawes (2011)

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Donald Dufresne.

      • Mavid says:

        you guys are a hoot..

        • Maritime Ron says:

          …Just in case I miss you tomorrow

          33:
          Richard Sevigny (1980-1984)
          Patrick Roy (1985-1996)

          …and if I miss you the following day
          32:
          Dave Lumley (1979)
          Denis Herron (1980-1982)
          Mark Holden (1983-1984)
          Claude Lemieux (1984-1990)
          Mario Roberge (1991-1995)
          Brad Brown (1997)
          Oleg Petrov (2000-2001)
          Gordie Dwyer (2003-2004)
          Mark Streit (2006-2008)
          Travis Moen (2010-2013)

  13. frontenac1 says:

    @bripro. Sounds like your grandson is a fine Chateauguay lad! I like him already.Saludos amigo!

  14. myron.selby says:

    @Chris – while I agree with you that PK shouldn’t be a captain (definitely not now and maybe never) I think your assessment is a bit harsh in some regards.

    I can well believe that he isn’t popular with the refs and for sure not with players from other teams. Last year (2011-2012) I was very critical of his dirty play. I particularly hated that he slew-footed (is that even a word?) people all the time. He was constantly giving little jabs with his stick and basically getting away with whatever he could, trying to instigate stuff.

    I was on record that I thought playing with Markov back in the line-up would give him an example of how the game should be played. And he really did clean up his act this year. I can’t recall him slew-footing anyone and he wasn’t anywhere near as nasty with his elbows and stick.

    I don’t think he takes runs at people. He is definitely looking for the hit when it’s there – his patented spin and hit them back-to-chest. But he is not charging or hitting illegally. He just hits really, really hard. I also don’t see the deliberate attempt to injure that so many of the truly nasty players go for. He doesn’t watch for players to put themselves in a vulnerable position and then exploit it.

    What I expect from PK is a gradual shift in his game away from the stupid stuff. He is always learning, as he is driven to become the best player he can be. I think he will come to the realization soon enough that playing hard clean hockey is the most effective way to help the team.

    I don’t see him ever winning the Lady Byng, but I do see his penalty minutes decreasing significantly over time.

    • Chris says:

      I agree with you, by and large. I also disliked the slew-footing of Subban’s, and that largely disappeared from his game.

      I’m not a big fan of his “hard hits” out at the blue-line because they are a low percentage, high risk play that will eventually get him suspended by having his timing off by a fraction of a second.

      But his game cleaned up by leaps and bounds this season, and I expect that to continue this coming year as he continues to mature as a hockey player. Young guys are often expected to “pay their dues”, and he’s done that now.

      I’d like to see him argue with the refs a bit less strenuously this season. I’ve long been shocked that he hasn’t been hit with any unsportsmanlike conduct penalties, because he has been far too demonstrative in his protests at times. But that is a maturity thing as well.

      I can’t even begin to tell people how much Subban has improved from his time in the OHL. It is truly astounding. He always had talent, but he was so very raw. Through hard work, he’s become a Norris Trophy winner and legitimately in the conversation with Weber, Suter, Chara, Keith, Doughty and Karlsson as the best defenceman in the game.

      I have no idea how much higher the ceiling is on his game. I think a more restrained Subban that manages his ice time effort a little more will be capable of playing 25-30 minutes per night at a Norris Trophy level. He’s not far off that now, with only PK duties lacking and I suspect that changes this season if Therrien is not blind.

  15. junyab says:

    Gorges will be the next captain after Gionta, no if’s, and’s or but’s.

  16. Strummer says:

    Do you guys remember the pizza discussion on here on a SLOW news day a few weeks back?
    Check this out:

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/the-hot-button/restauranteur-admits-to-serving-store-bought-frozen-pizzas/article13711246/
    ______________________________________________________
    “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

  17. Bripro says:

    HOOOOAAAA!
    Vacation is over, and I’m back on my favourite (only) blog site!
    Looking for something new and …..
    scroll….. scroll….. scroll……
    nada! zip! bupkis! zilch! squat!….
    Oh well, at least vacation was a blast.
    Perhaps not as much fun as Kramer had, but fun none the less.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alfx9AS8wc0&feature=youtu.be

    I mean so what if, after teaching my 4-year old grandson to skip rocks across the ocean surface, I turned my head for two seconds and he took full advantage by picking up a baseball-sized rock, threw out to sea but missed (or not) his throw, and hit me in the head, giving me a concussion.
    It’s OK, the coach (my wife) threw me right back out to the little shark, pulling a Don Cherry …. “you’re a wuss… get out there!”
    or a Carey Price “Chill….”
    It was take-no-prisoners, people, on the beaches of Cape Cod!
    All out war!

    But really, what did I miss?

  18. Ian Cobb says:

    Gionta is our captain!
    The media or fans have no say in who the club chooses for it’s top dog or any of the assistant captains.

    And the Hab’s are sure not going to give that responsibility to the kids!!

    • Chris says:

      I agree that the kids likely won’t get it. For those that might be interested, here are the approximate ages of the past 18 Montreal Canadiens captains when they were elevated to the position:

      Brian Gionta – 31
      Saku Koivu – 25
      Vincent Damphousse – 29
      Pierre Turgeon – 26
      Mike Keane – 28
      Kirk Muller – 28
      Guy Carbonneau – 29
      Chris Chelios – 27
      Bob Gainey – 28
      Serge Savard – 33
      Yvan Cournoyer – 32
      Henri Richard – 35
      Jean Beliveau – 30
      Doug Harvey – 36
      Maurice Richard – 35
      Emile “Butch” Bouchard – 29
      Bill Durnan – 32 (last goalie before Roberto Luongo!)
      Toe Blake – 28

      I think Koivu was a good captain, but he is one of the more controversial captains because he couldn’t/wouldn’t speak French publicly and his lack of Stanley Cups. Pierre Turgeon is widely seen as one of the worst captaincy picks in Habs history, as the pressure it put on him was crushing.

      Other than those two guys, most players were in their late 20′s or 30′s before they became team captain. The 80′s and 90′s were anomalous in that fewer players lasted through to their mid-late 30′s, as is common today and was common in the 1970′s and earlier.

  19. The Dude says:

    What’s with all the “OLD MAN” bs on this Habs site on how the players must be the exact gentleman and player Les Gros Bill was….and I thought I had flash back issues. How bout this and it’s not to much to ask…. How bout $6.5 mil per season Carey Price stop pucks like Dryden ,Roy and Plante for a fn change!

  20. Bill says:

    Also … captaincies are totally pointless in hockey. Everyone talks to the refs now. And everyone in the locker room knows who the leaders are. Doesn’t take a letter.

  21. Bill says:

    Chris: We may not like diving, but a lot of players do it, probably most occasionally.

    I still wonder why we never hear how referees and players dislike Marchand. Remember the water bottle on the ice? Imagine if Subban did that. Yet Marchand totally gets a pass, and Subban gets vilified.

    • twilighthours says:

      Indeed.

    • Chris says:

      The refs do dislike Marchand. There is no pass, he is despised.

      All players dive at some point. Jagr used to make it a point of honour to NOT dive when he first came to the NHL, and then learned that he was never getting any calls. So then he became Greg Louganis on skates.

      P.K. Subban pulls some awfully lame stuff on the ice. The theatrical falls when shoved, the constant chirping but unwillingness to back it up and his huge runs at players at times. If he played for the Toronto Maple Leafs, most of the people on this site who love Subban would absolutely and utterly despise him. Not quite Marchand territory, but certainly not far off of Dion Phaneuf territory.

    • junyab says:

      I wish I could say I’m totally unbiased, but I can’t. So take this with a grain of salt. The Bruins are the biggest diving, cheap shot artists, whiney b$&%s in the league. Every year I’m continuously dumbfounded by how these guys get away with it.

      Just ask Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert.

  22. The Dude says:

    Lol…CNN showing Chris Nilan,the Stanley Cup and Whitey Bulger pics and with the CH banner behind them…

  23. Bill says:

    Speaking just for myself, I was incredibly immature at 23. Subban is a model of decorum and dignity by comparison. Just a kid but so poised and self-assured.

    • twilighthours says:

      You got it

    • Chris says:

      Off-ice, Subban is fantastically poised. He’s articulate and incredibly comfortable in front of cameras.

      On-ice, Subban is not poised. So he is our version of Sidney Crosby. :)

      For the record, I would not have given the captaincy to Crosby so young…it is as often as not a burden.

    • ClutchNGrab says:

      What makes me laugh is all those hockey players lecturing PK, and then:
      - Getting traded (Richards)
      - Complaining about owners during the lock out (Lupul)
      - Getting bought out (Lecavalier)

      What a joke.

      I remember just before the Calgary v Montreal outdoor game, Bob Gainey saying about all those players they should shut up and play. For all the mistakes he made, I wish all of the succeeding GMs would have taken as strong as a stance to defend PK, but as we saw, he doesn’t need it.

  24. Stevie.Ray says:

    I am going to make the bold prediction and say that both Tinordi and Beaulieu will finish the season as full time NHLers. This based solely on that we tend to have rookies come in pairs.

    Galchenyuk/Gallagher
    Emelin/Diaz
    Eller/Subban
    Pacioretty/D’Agostini
    Ryder/Ribiero
    Plekanec/Perzhogin

  25. Bill H says:

    A lot of talk about who the captain will be.

    Silly me. I thought Gionta was captain.

  26. ClutchNGrab says:

    This article is a little dated, but who doesn’t like some leafs bashing on a Monday afternoon?

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nhl/news/20130726/toronto-maple-leafs-dave-nonis-contract/?sct=nhl_bf3_a5

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  28. Chris says:

    P.K. Subban has not served as a captain at any level of hockey save since Midget, at the very least.

    He earned an alternate captaincy (please note that there is no such thing as an “assistant captain” in the NHL!) in Belleville in his fourth and final year in Belleville, and was an alternate captain in his second tour with the Canadian World Junior team.

    Subban would not be a good choice for captain of the Montreal Canadiens, in my opinion. He’s not at all liked by NHL referees, who think he dives and chirps far too often. He also frequently shows up the referees with his highly theatrical remonstrations, a big no-no if you want your team to get some calls later in the game.

    For whatever reason, Subban does not have an excellent reputation outside of Montreal with players around the league. His reputation with the league’s officials is not at all good. Why put a guy like that in a front-line leadership position at his age?

    Subban has years and years to get to a captaincy. There is no rush.

    Meanwhile, you have a veteran leadership group that is already in place (Gionta, Markov and Gorges). You’ve got two heirs apparent in Pacioretty (who I think the team will give a captaincy to long before Subban) and Prust. You’ve got a quiet veteran whose worked his tail off for years for the Habs in Plekanec. And you’ve got a veteran French Canadian who has worn an “A” in the NHL with two teams (Buffalo and Philadelphia) in Daniel Briere (he was also a co-captain, with Chris Drury, for the Sabres).

    Subban will get a letter at some point in his career. But for all his skill, he is not widely perceived as a leader yet. He doesn’t need a letter on his jersey to continue to develop into a star NHL player, nor will a letter change how he interacts with the media.

    But with a strong group of established veterans and at least two younger players (Pacioretty, Gorges) who are perhaps better fits from the team’s perspective, I don’t see a rush to appoint or annoint Subban as the team’s captain or alternate captain unless that is the will of the players themselves.

    • Ian Cobb says:

      Chris! Very disappointed about your incorrect opinion that PK is not a leader and that he is not liked by referees etc.

      You should not believe everything you read or hear by rumors, when you do not know the kid as I do. He is a very spirited and quality young man. He will be captain of this team in 5 or 6 years, once he has learned how to be a veteran. He is still a kid yet my friend.

      • Chris says:

        Ian, if you look above, you will see that I share your opinion that he will be a leader in a few years. I just don’t see the rush for this coming season if Gionta were dealt.

        I’ve watched enough Bulls games and Habs games to know that Subban is a fun-loving guy that a lot of players consider a good friend. I also know that he’s a guy that people either love or detest. There isn’t a lot of middle ground there. His personality rubs a lot of people the wrong way, which is why I think he catches more flak than he deserves. Ovechkin and Kesler are similar in that regard.

        As for the referees, I think you are looking at him through the bias of somebody who knew him with the Bulls and as a fan of the Habs. I have heard first-hand from some NHL linesmen that Subban is not well liked by the referees. And you can’t dispute that he doth protest far too much whenever he gets a penalty. He’s no less whiny or obnoxious than Sidney Crosby in that regard, and Habs fans have had no issue pointing out that one flaw in Crosby’s game.

        Subban matured a lot last season, and that process will continue this season. But his antics, his diving and his chirping drives referees absolutely nuts. They HATE that stuff with a passion, because it can make them look bad.

      • pmaraw says:

        what’s an incorrect opinion?

    • twilighthours says:

      I disagree with your assessment

      • Chris says:

        That’s okay. I wrote it because I completely disagreed with the assessment of those fans, like yourself, who think Subban should be a captain. I’m afraid I just don’t see the logic in that position whatsoever.

        Fortunately for both of us, our opinions are ultimately irrelevant to what will eventually happen on this front.

        • twilighthours says:

          No kidding.

          Also,I never wrote that subban should be captain, only that the captain should speak French. Which he should.

          There are no great captaincy candidates on the team right now. But if I had to pick a replacement it would be pk long before gorges or pacioretty.

          • Chris says:

            Correction noted. I apologize for incorrectly stating that you were vocally supporting Subban as a captain.

            I actually think Pacioretty is a great captaincy candidate down the road, but like Subban he is too young right now. And I wouldn’t at all be surprised to find out that he is learning French on the side as well.

            Pacioretty is very photogenic (if we’re going to insist on symbolic captaincies, this is going to be considered), he’s well-spoken and he is one of the team’s top performers on the ice. He’s also been one of the go-to players for the media for the past couple of seasons and he’s never shirked that responsibility.

            More importantly, I think the priority that Bergevin put on his re-signing was an indication that the team has big plans for Pacioretty. Perhaps not the captaincy, but I wouldn’t be suprised if he took the place of Komisarek and Higgins as their captain-in-training.

            If Gionta were dealt this year and the players were asked to select the next captain, Gorges would win in a landslide. I’m very confident of that. He’s well liked by his teammates, and he’s been a leader everywhere he has gone despite his lack of natural ability.

            Gorges is a leader in the Mike Keane mould, a guy who would skate through the boards for his teammates. Hockey players love guys like that.

          • twilighthours says:

            Your captain shouldn’t be a mediocre player (gorges) or a player who mails it in a good chunk of the time (pacioretty)

          • Chris says:

            Your captain should also not be detested by the referees that he is responsible for dealing with as team representative.

            If only the world were perfect, we would have a bilingual elite player that doesn’t chirp the referees…can somebody PLEASE get Alex Galchenyuk, who does have a proven ability in languages (fluent in English, Russian, and Italian, and he can speak a bit of German) some French lessons?

            He actually claims to have spoken a bit of French when he was younger, but he has forgotten it through lack of use. Shouldn’t be hugely difficult with Italian being his second language (behind Russian).

  29. Timo says:

    New week and nothing? Man, this is boring.

  30. AH says:

    I’m late to the Captain discussion, but IMO, the only choice is Prust! Balls of steel, leads by example, and will defend his teammates to the very end!! PK should get an A also.

  31. frontenac1 says:

    @habfan10912. I loved the Old Wrestling! Can’t stand it today though, except for the Ontario circuit (OCW) which is still ok. Hey,is it Roundup time at the ranch yet? Saludos!

  32. Habfan10912 says:

    @Ron re: NASCAR. The years at the firehouse left me with some diverse interest. Motor racing, professional wrestling and Jerry Springer among them. :).

  33. scavanau says:

    Funny how slow this site becomes once everyone expects a new page to start…

  34. Sportfan says:

    Pietrangelo is still unsigned ahh one can dream can’t they!

    Sports and Entertainment in the link click and enjoy, clicking is fun!
    http://nickolaisblog.wordpress.com/

    • Maritime Ron says:

      He isn’t going anywhere.
      What will be interesting is did Bergevin set the tone with the bridge contract, or will AP sit and force a longer term deal.
      AP’s agent is Don Meehan – the same as PK.

      The Offer Sheet compensation would be large.

      Over $6,026,867 to $7,533,584:
      Two 1st’s, one 2nd, one 3rd round pick

  35. H.Upmann says:

    are we there yet?

  36. HabinBurlington says:

    I think I like the idea of MB working in concert with MT to decide on the C and A’s being worn by whomever they feel is worthy. I would like to think they will also discuss with the players, so as to ensure the designations are given to those whom the players respect in this choice.

    MB played a great deal more hockey in the NHL than anyone on this site, and by all accounts was respected and appreciated by his teammates. I suspect he has a good idea of the importance of the Captains and perhaps even more so, understands how the Captain designation can be overrated.

    I think some people here have made some great points on why some players should get these designations, but I also think some of the suggestions or statements seem pretty off the wall as well.

    • Timo says:

      Habs finally traded Gionta?

    • RobbyLins says:

      DIAZ DESERVES IT!

    • Maritime Ron says:

      Good point about Bergevin and his experience.

      1191 NHL games played + another 80 playoff games.

      Quite the list of teams he played for:
      Chicago-Islanders-Hartford-Tampa-Detroit-St.Louis-Pittsburgh-Vancouver…from 1985 until 2004.

      Yea, I guess he’s seen a few things.
      Now add Dudley, Carriere, Mellanby, Lapointe, Brisebois….

      • Timo says:

        Great management team… now, if only Habs could put a competitive team of hockey players together… a kind of team that won’t get walked over in the playoffs… that would be great, thanks.

        Did somebody say bright future?

    • Chris says:

      The players should decide who the captain is. Montreal doesn’t need a PR captain, so the players should be allowed to select the player they want dealing with their concerns to the coaching staff.

      One of the captain’s roles is acting as a representative with the coaching staff. It rather undermines that position if the captain is selected by the coaching staff he may have to later confront on behalf of the players.

      • twilighthours says:

        Another role is to liaise with the community. Montreal’s captain should speak French.

        • Ron says:

          That I agree with twi. Going to be hard with that unless they groom someone to fit the bill.

        • frontenac1 says:

          So,the Coach and The Captain have to speak French before they get the gig? In that case Prust should get the C. His girlfriend will teach him the lingo for sure. Hey,he could even let her do the interviews,seeing she is a media gal. Damn easier to look at than Francois Gagnon!

        • Chris says:

          Note that I said that Montreal doesn’t need a PR captain. The ability to speak French is obviously a tremendous asset, but it isn’t a requirement.

          Koivu was a great captain for the team, and Gionta has been a good captain for the team. Neither were fluent in French. Keane was also a great captain, but he got run out of town by the team (thrown into the Roy deal) because his interactions with the French media were icy, to say the least.

          Kirk Muller couldn’t speak French. He was a good captain for the Habs. Chris Chelios didn’t have much of a chance to demonstrate whether he would have been a good captain one way or the other, unfortunately.

          • twilighthours says:

            The Canadiens don’t need to do charity work, or do ticket giveaways, or hospital visits, or host open practices, or do any community outreach – the games will sell out regardless. Yet the team does these things, because its the right thing to do.

          • Chris says:

            The team needs some francophone or bilingual players who can interact with the French-Canadian community on behalf of the team. I would never dispute that.

            But I do dispute inflating the Montreal Canadiens captaincy into some great symbol of the francophone community. This is somewhat of a recent requirement, “necessitated” by 24/7 media coverage of the team.

            The team was a symbol for the French-Canadian community in the 1940′s and 1950′s, as the Flying Frenchmen were taking on all comers during the social upheaval of the Quiet Revolution in Quebec, where French-Canadians justifiably felt oppressed within North America on a variety of fronts.

            The 1970′s team also features strong nationalist ties at a time of great social upheaval (this time it was the FLQ crisis and constitutional reforms and debates).

            But the Habs have not been the “Flying Frenchmen” for over 30 years now. The pool of Francophone players is down to 3 (Briere, Bouillon, Desharnais), and a few guys are trying to learn French on the side. Some of them will, and some of them won’t.

            There have been many great unilingual captains. There have been many great bilingual captains. There is no evidence of a requirement either way.

          • twilighthours says:

            You do enjoy writing, I must say.

            Point of fact: you used quotes around words or phrases that I did not use.

            But you used the phrase “great captain.” And I think we disagree on what makes a great captain of the Montreal Canadiens

          • Chris says:

            I’m not quoting you with the quotes. I put quotes around “necessitated” because I believe this to be a fallacious expectation. I put them around “Flying Frenchmen” because this was, for decades, the name attached to the team. In neither case was I quoting you (I usually italicize the quote if I’m quoting the poster I’m replying to). Sorry about the confusion.

            I write as much as I need to get my point across. I wish I was able to be succinct, but that has never been a skill of mine. Apologies.

            We do clearly disagree on the skillset required of a great captain for the Montreal Canadiens. But disagreement has sort of been our calling card for a few years, no? :)

          • twilighthours says:

            Someone has got to keep you in check :)

  37. Dust says:

    On a fun note i was playing hockey with my 4 yr old today who told me that he was gonna score more goals than crosby. ahhh kids

  38. bwoar says:

    Haven’t fired up the TV in a while, so I’m not sure where the ‘controversy’ over the ‘A’ to Briere comes from. I can only assume someone is stirring the pot. It would be very, very odd to me if Briere and Markov didn’t have the A’s this year.

    “thoroughbred”

    • Stimpy007 says:

      Prust gets the C for sure.

      Subban and Briere get A’s

      Gorges needs to be traded and Markov can barely speak let alone speak english.

      • Cal says:

        You assume too much about Markov. If you knew him personally, then your thoughts about him speaking would be valid.

        • Stimpy007 says:

          I’m not assuming too much about him. I hear him speak. Trust me I love the guy but he is quiet and keeps to himself. Which is fine but the vocal guys should have it.

          Besides I’m not suggesting taking any letters away from anyone. I dont believe in doing that. When this season is over the team will be picking a new Captain and alternates. Just saying those would be my choices.

      • bwoar says:

        Markov is the leader of the D brigade, hands-down. Watch him on the bench when you can, he does his talking during the games when it counts.

        “thoroughbred”

    • FishOutOfWater says:

      i feel briere will or wont earn his A on his own and thats how the game is played. you go in this season with gionta C, and markov, gorges wearing A’s . if and when people are traded gorges keeps his A and prust and someone else who stepped up will get the last A. playoffs will decided the new captain if gorges hasnt been set in stone already

      http://945thesmooth.tumblr.com/

      • bwoar says:

        I think there will likely be 3 assistants, actually. Forgot about Gorges since he’s a forgettable player.

        I’m pretty sure Briere has already earned his A, ask around Philly if you don’t believe that.

        “thoroughbred”

  39. HabFanSince72 says:

    I admit I had never thought about it much but after a short think I’d go with PK for captain. Unquestionably the best and most important player on the team. Loved by the fans. Plays with exuberance and style. I think the C would also help him instead of acting as a burden.

  40. JTT says:

    what ever player who fires the team up in the room. Give the “C” to him …

  41. RobbyLins says:

    Totally random, and I may be super late on this, but in living overseas, I didn’t get to follow 24CH throughout the season. Now that they’ve released the episodes on Canadiens.com, I was hooked on it over the weekend. Some really impressive work by the production team, and some great insight into the players’ day-to-day lives.

    Does anyone know if we can expect new episodes this season?

  42. Un Canadien errant says:

    The succession plan for Captain is very murky, we have to admit. There is no embarrassment of potential candidates as there was in the sixties, seventies and eighties, players who had long toiled and succeeded in bleu blanc rouge.

    The selection process is up for question. I always felt that the Captain should be elected by his peers, but sometimes what a team needs is not a popularity contest but someone who’ll kick a few cans. We saw how the Flyers thought Mike Richards had the support of his teammates but may not have been the right man at the right time for the job, and engineered the coup that installed Chris Pronger in his position.

    Also, there’s the case of the Canadiens after Bob Gainey served and needed replacing. A vote by the players was split between Guy Carbonneau and Chris Chelios, so it was decided that they’d be co-captains, and alternate wearing the ‘C’. Apparently all that did was intensify a dressing-room split into two factions, and it eventually contributed to the decision to trade away Chris Chelios.

    Then again, appointing a captain is sometimes also not the right move. Veterans can get miffed if management parachute their Golden Boy in the role. I can’t remember who told this story for certain, but I think it’s Guy Lafleur, who was called to a meeting in Irving Grundman’s office after Serge Savard retired. He and Larry Robinson were there in their warmups, not sure what was going on, when in walked Bob Gainey wearing a suit. They were then told that Bob would serve as the captain. Larry and Guy looked at each other, since as the veterans they felt they were next in line, and were expecting a vote. Bob Gainey knew in advance what was going to happen, and it was perfectly awkward and everyone left in silence. I wonder in retrospect whether that fed into Guy’s cynicism and rebelliousness, and whether he might have had a more distinguished end to his career if he’d been voted captain, and had felt compelled to act as such. Instead, maybe he nihilistically increased his partying and eased off on the conditioning and effort on the ice, wondering what was the use, they’d never win a Cup without Ken Dryden and the Big 3.

    So looking at the current roster, there isn’t a clear successor, let alone three or four who could fill the role. Not yet. In a couple of years we could think that then. All the likely candidates have holes in their résumés. So if Brian Gionta doesn’t return for next season, as is likely, I think we may go back to the situation we saw post-Saku, when there was a year played with three assistants and no incumbent. After that time, I would prefer that a vote be held, but as Tom Renney is quoted by Michael Farber in the article linked below: “There’s an old saying: ‘The coach always counts the vote.’”

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1175709/index.htm

    ———————————————————————–
    … you know, because there’s no way hundreds of overcompetitive stars with massive egos would ever cheat to gain an edge with hundreds of millions of dollars at stake..–Bill Simmons

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • RobbyLins says:

      You’re probably right, but there’s something about having no captain that sends the wrong message to your personnel and its fans. To me, it’s essentially saying “none of you have the right qualities, so we’ll wait it out and hopefully figure it out next season”, and the idea of that annoys me.

      For the record, if there’s one clear successor, in my eyes, it’s PK.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        I don’t understand that rationale. He may be the best player on the team, but that doesn’t mean he should be captain. He still needs to mature, and I think management and his teammates see it the same way, so he has no chance of being named captain right now or next season.

        • RobbyLins says:

          Obviously not now, but when Gionta leaves, he’d certainly be my choice.

          His passion is infectious and he’s always looking to learn -I can’t think of anyone who wants to win more than PK. A few years ago, I’d question his ability to lead a room of guys older than him, but at this stage, if his Norris trophy doesn’t command respect in itself, I’m not sure what does anymore.

          Giving him the C would also be a way of rewarding him, and directly letting him know what he means to the organization. A guy with a big ego needs to feel loved.

    • Maritime Ron says:

      Good points as usual, yet the huge difference today in the 21st Century is that hockey is now a multi billion dollar business where moving forward, teams need friendly-faced marketing tools to promote the brand.

      Just about all recent year’s Captain choices have been talented, fresh youth that have been well schooled by agents well before being drafted.
      Along with being good hockey players, they also understand the media hordes, their team’s social/community responsibilities, and the need to connect.

      As for the Habs, there are other sensitive items.
      Even if an anglophone captain is named, he would/should have the responsibility to somehow learn the majority language even at a rudimentary level.

      There are great tools available from private lessons to Rosetta Stone…and those long airplane trips on luxury airlines would allow ample time.
      Koivu was a complete disaster in that area.

      • Chris says:

        Koivu wasn’t a complete disaster in that area. Koivu made an unbelievably difficult transition in learning English, which is not a very easy language at all for a Finn (the two languages are not from the same language group).

        Koivu was fluent in Finnish, Swedish and English. He apparently was able to speak French with individuals, but he was very shy about how poor his accent was.

        My father spoke six languages (Swedish, Norwegian, Danish, German, English and Latin, which was still heavily taught when he was in school). But he couldn’t learn French to save his life.

        Learning a new language is not as easy as people occasionally imply, especially if you haven’t started learning new languages at a young age when the brain is still flexible. Kids who are multilingual by a young age (6 years old is the number in my head, but I could easily be wrong on that) have a much easier time than anybody else. By your early teens, it is still not too bad but it gets harder.

        As an adult, it becomes very tough.

        For Finns and Scandinavians, French is not at all an easy language to learn because it is a very different way of speaking. It is natural to be self-conscious about it if you mangle pronunciation.

        I spent my childhood in French Immersion, and I can read fluently and have little problem understanding when people talk to me (although it is atrophying from lack of usage). But I struggled like mad with the pronunciation and accent, because it wasn’t natural at all for me, having spent years speaking English as a first language and playing around with German.

  43. John Q Public says:

    If and when Gointa is no longer here they should revert to tradition
    and let the Players decide who wears the the C.
    Just my 2 cents.
    Oh wait rounding down ……..

  44. Dust says:

    the majority of people on this site have a hate on for the CBC for their bias towards the leafs. They are a national network and should be more equal their talk of all canadian teams. I don’t disagree that they have a bias towards the leafs. I also think that stock and healy are idiots, but Friedman and Weekes are top notch.
    RDS is treated as a god station around here. Correct me if I’m wrong but i believe that RDS is a national sports network that speaks french. Why is it ok for them to talk an extreme majority of time about the habs and not the other Canadian teams.

    • Lafleurguy says:

      Their ratings would go down.

      “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

    • Cal says:

      RDS has exclusive french language rights to the 100% of Habs games. That’s why.

      • Dust says:

        cbc has a exclusive rights to the leafs on sat night. Yet people have a problem with them talking about the leafs a bit more than the other canadian franchises. In fact CBC was scheduled to show more habs games than any other canadian team last year. That doesn’t answer my question, why its ok for RDS to talk an extreme majority on the habs and its wrong that the CBC talks more about the leafs?

        • Cal says:

          Because CBC has rights to ALL THE CANADIAN TEAMS, not just one. Last I saw, there were 7 teams. IS that clear enough?

          • Dust says:

            ITs funny cause i watch every saturday night habs game on CBC. I don’t get the problem

          • Ron says:

            @Dust..where do you live that you watch every Saturday night Habs game on CBC. Must be out West. Most of us don’t have that option, the laffs games are shoved done our throats.

          • Dust says:

            I live in ontario an hour north of Toronto
            edit: i watch on bell express vu and have to pay the little extra to get time shifting which enables me to watch all the cbc channels so i can watch the habs games.

          • Ron says:

            @Dust..that’s the point most here this morning are trying to get a crossed to you with little success. Without you having to pay extra bucks for a special package through your service provider you would be forced to watch the laffs games most Saturday nights. That is preferential treatment towards the laffs. As Cal pointed out to you, there are 7 Canadian teams not one.

          • Dust says:

            @Ron living in the Toronto area i expect that and am ok with that. I think CBC does a great job of showing the local team on their CBC channel. IT would be hard to show all 7 teams and be equal. Like it or not the leafs bring in CBCs highest ratings so of course there will be a little bias there. However, last year they were scheduled to broadcasted more habs games than any other canadian team. I think they are pretty fair in their coverage all things included.
            I guess my point is that the CBC bashing is pretty overblown.

          • Ron says:

            @Dust..I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree on that point. Just because the CBC HNIC office is located in Toronto does not make it the local team. CBC is funded by the Canadian Gov and therefore is not a local Toronto station as you think it is. Good luck with that thinking.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Not really national. TSN is carried as part of the basic package by every cable or satellite company in Canada, coast to coast to coast. RDS is basic only in Québec and maybe the Maritimes, some of Ontario, but definitely not out here in B.C. I have to pay extra for it as a ‘specialty’ channel. So no, it’s not a national sports network, it’s treated and understood as a network that broadcasts sports in Québec.

      • Maritime Ron says:

        RDS is not basic here. The cost gives me a bundle with just about all Quebec TV stations that broadcast in French. I seem to remember it cost about an extra $4-$5/month

        • Ron says:

          Here in NB its the same thing MR. I’m paying $6.99 per month for a complete Quebec Package of channels. All sports included. RDS and TVA. Its worth every penny.

          • Maritime Ron says:

            Hi Ron

            When you do the math figuring the Habs play about a dozen games a month, the cost is almost insignificant.
            Great name by the way
            :-)

          • Ron says:

            My parents thought that :D . TVA carries games of other leagues at times that RDS does not. The old saying of “best bang for your buck” fits it perfectly.

    • Coach K says:

      Hi Dust,

      Good points that you made. I can’t speak for others here but I what I take issue with is that the mandate of the CBC is to be Canada’s national broadcaster – not the Leaf’s national mouthpiece. That mandate in and of itself entails certain responsibilities to which I (and many other here) believe they are not living up to. The gong-show that is Healy, Stock and Cherry I can only presume, is there to provide comic relief since nobody with half a brain would take them seriously anyway. The few shining examples like Friedman and Weekes you correctly alluded to (and the typically excellent production quality) are the only things that make watching tolerable. I digress…

      A private outfit like RDS and TSN are entitled to do what they see fit with their money, airtime and influence. However, we taxpayers collectively own the CBC. As such, they should be held to a higher standard. We “owners” should be complaining in writing to the CBC, the CRTC and to our MP’s (who control the budgets of both of those monoliths). They have an obligation to cover all Canadian teams with equal vigor and neutrality and they are clearly failing that mandate.

      That, I feel, is why most posters here have a problem with HNIC coverage.

      —When Hell freezes over, I’ll play hockey there too—

  45. Lafleurguy says:

    If being team captain is being someone that nearly everyone looks up to, then Jarred Tinordi is the guy. (I’ve had my morning coffee L., and this is as funny as I get)

    “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

    • HabinBurlington says:

      While correct in stature, you are also correct in reality. Tinordi quickly established himself as a leader on Team USA just the same on the London Knights. I would suspect 5-6 years from now conversation will be around Tinordi being a Captain, at least an Assistant. In stature and in style!

    • L Elle says:

      Ha, even McCarron will look up to him, and what Burly said.

    • Chrisadiens says:

      I wanted to locker box JT at the mini summit last year. He never showed up though. ;)

      Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

  46. frontenac1 says:

    Agree,RDS is the best, but I always flip it over to CBC at first intermission to watch Grapes. It’s like watching a train wreck all wrapped up in drag. I don’t know why I like the guy, but I do…..weird.

  47. --Habs-- says:

    Prust is a leader and right now one of the best Habs on the ice. Not it terms of talent but in terms of what he brings to an organization. Its priceless…! I think the Habs should lock this guy up for 5 more years.

    Go HABS Go

    • Maritime Ron says:

      He is still signed for 3 more years, and according to the CBA, any negotiations cannot begin until the last year of his contract…but what an unbelievable great signing he was. I cringe when I think what this team would have been without his gutsy play, PK time, and then sticking up for the guys

    • JTT says:

      Habs – Don’t rush into it. He’s had a lot of injuries and that could only get worst. see how things are when his contract is becoming due. Habs do this too often and get stuck with a contract they can’t get out of.

  48. frontenac1 says:

    Milbury is a meathead but I liked the way he called out the Boston media last year for all that embellishment crap after the Habs beat the Bruins. I still love that tape where Big Bird tuned him up too.

  49. Maritime Ron says:

    @ charlie hodge fan

    The NHL broadcasting network crews have a lot to learn from the NFL.
    While RDS is by far the best of a bad group, CBC and NBC should be ashamed of themselves.

    While the NHL has poor old Bob Cole and the likes of PJ Stock and crazy Mike Milbury along with Cliché Maguire, the NFL boasts a group of eclectic professional announcers along with smart former winners.
    Their strength is first and foremost a great Respect for the Game… followed by their ability to break down a game, while being able to talk to both the long time NFL fan along with the newer less knowledgeable concerning all facets of the game.

    The NHL has nothing to match these combos:

    Jim Nantz/Phil Simms
    Joe Buck/Troy Aikman
    Al Michaels/Cris Collinsworth
    Mike Tirico /Jon Gruden

    Hopefully I did not offend any by using the prefix “Crazy” on Mike Milbury, ( perhaps ‘intellectually challenged’ would have been more politically correct) yet I have never known another NHL player that went up into the stands, took the shoe off a spectator, then beat the fan with that shoe over the head.
    In Milbury’s recollection, he almost appears both happy and proud…

    At the 2:00 mark:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsEXqCXycRA&feature=player_embedded

    • Dust says:

      i dont agree at all. The CBC broadcast is the best at showing games. THE main reason RDS is preferred here (and its understandable) is that they show majority habs games and have a habs bias or habs slant with any thing they say.

      • PrashadHabs says:

        I don’t think RDS are that bad in terms of being biased towards the Habs. Since Marc Denis came along, they have been more fair in terms of their broadcasting. Obviously they still lean towards the Habs.

      • Maritime Ron says:

        CBC may be best at showing games… that is if you turn off the sound and go for a walk during the intermission.
        Even out here, I watch RDS all the time, and they have no problem ripping Habs players, a coach, or management when warranted.
        As for CBC, their love-in for anything Leafs can make one ill.

        • Dust says:

          CBC rip the leafs too. I didn’t say that they only say good things about the habs. good or bad, they talk about the habs all the time. even if they are showing a sens vs pens game. they will talk habs during it

      • Cal says:

        The CBC sucks rocks. They have ever since they allowed Cherry to spout his bigoted garbage every week.

        • Maritime Ron says:

          A little harsh there, Cal

          Don reminds me of that old favourite uncle that used to pass on his experiences. Some were great – some were less good, but we loved him…and then old age started to take its toll on the body, yet more importantly, on the mind.

    • Lafleurguy says:

      Couple of glaring weak points about American TV sportscasting. Too many cliches. Too much sycophantic pandering. Ray Lewis is more dangerous than Lance Armstrong and Alex Rodriguez combined but got pandered to near ad infinitum. Cheers Merrytimes.

      “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      The shoe incident doesn’t even crack the top 5 of “dumb hockey related things Mike Millbury has done”.

      There’s the Luongo/Jokinen for nothing trade. Signing Alexei Yashin for $90M – after having traded away Jason Spezza and Zdeno Chara for him. Picking Rick Di Pietro 1st overall (over Gaborik and Heatley), when you already had Luongo in your organization.

      There’s the All-Star game where, as coach, he picked all goons (Nilan over Lafleur as I recall) – which is why coaches no longer pick the teams.

      Then there’s the time he fought(*) Larry Robinson.

      The time he bullied that 12 year old kid in public.

      etc …

      (* if by fight one means got pummeled by …)

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Morning Ron and rest of the morning crew. Funny how its a matter of personal taste who we like and dislike with our TV announcers. Buck and Aikman are absolutely hated by most in the NY market. Someone must like them or they’d be both out if a job. Me? I almost perfer no sound so I can just watch the darn game. :)

      Off to the pool for a quick swim then I take my sun burned body back home. Moral of the story. Don’t be dumb like Jim and forget your sunscreen when attendng a NASCAR event. Ouch. CHeers all!

    • habs-hampton says:

      Agree 100% Ron. The main problem is that CBC has a great format, but they don’t when to retire guys. Cole, Harry Neale, Don Cherry and others were great in their day, but they all stayed way too long. I think CBC is the only government department that doesn’t have an enforced retirement age.

      • Maritime Ron says:

        Hampton

        Don reminds me of that old favourite uncle that used to pass on his experiences. Some were great – some were less good, but we loved him…and then old age started to take its toll body, yet more important, the mind.

    • neumann103 says:

      I agree that the NHL broadcast coverage is generally bad. TSN actually seems to be the best of a bad lot. But the NFL is no example of how to staff these roles. Technically, yes in terms of the broadcast, generally great.

      The CBS coverage and pre-game show of recent years has been a step behind, and I find excruciating. The whole conceit of those shows is terrible, but at least the Fox one is entertaining. And don;t get me started on the eye candy sideline reporter nonsense. It is demeaning and actually provides negative value in terms of content. Fine if you want to have someone who actually knows the game (Bonnie Bernstein) but having endured the formative years of Lesley Visser (who astonishingly actually was a print sports reporter before her TV gig as a sinkhole of content) and seen the hilarity of Melissa Stark rangling up close live on a Monday night game in Miami from about 10 rows up, well, enough.

      My main objection however is the lame and rote quality of the “jockocracy” colour commentators. The constant lazy insertion of “Let me tell you somethin” in front of every banal comment. Simms is terrible and constantly has to remind you of how good he was (not as good as he thinks). Dierdorf has set a 30 year example of badness. The exception from your list is Joe Buck/Troy Aikman. Buck is among the better broadcasters and Aikman is surprisingly good – and I say this from the perspective of hating the Dallas Cowboys. The only pro sports team I hate more than the Cowboys is the Philadelphia Flyers, so if I am grudgingly acknowledging that, it says something pretty terrible about the others.

      Actually Steve Tasker is okay, illustrating the general rule of these things that generally role players make better colour guys than former stars, which is apparent in the NHL too.

      “Et le but!”

    • twilighthours says:

      It’s simple… CBC pre game montages and in-game camera work. Tsn in-game play by play work and intermissions. Rds for Habs bias. No one gets color commentary – that gets eliminated altogether

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Play-by-play by Gord Miller or Chris Cuthbert is good to great, but I have a hard time with Dave Randorf when watching on TSN. Nothing against the guy, but I don’t like his call, especially his hoarse-scorched vocal cords “Scores!” call, that is abrupt and hard on the eardrums.

        I think Pierre Houde and Marc Denis are as strong a play-by-play team as there is in hockey. And this is not a French-Canadian bias, I didn’t think these guys were that good when Benoit Brunet was on air dissembling and mispronouncing his thoughts.

  50. Phil C says:

    You don’t need a letter to be a leader. Leadership can come from anywhere in an organization. Briere will get lots of chances to speak to the media with or without a letter.

  51. Loonie says:

    Nothing like a little fabricated controversy to spice up the dog days of Summer.

    Briere with an “A”? Why? Because he chose to sign with the Habs? Because he’s a veteran? Because he performs in the playoffs?

    By nearly all accounts he is an excellent leader. So I’m sure he won’t mind if he doesn’t have a letter on his jersey to reflect it.

    And if the associate or assistant captain title is taken from somebody so that it can be given to Briere, hopefully the player they embarrass is mature enough to deal with it.

    • Mike D says:

      ^ This.

      The last sentence especially.

      But unless an actual source gets cited, I’m calling the rumour BS to begin with. I wouldn’t exactly be surprised if someone in the french media did say it, but not gonna give it any credence until it’s proven.

      - Honestly yours
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    • Kooch7800 says:

      That is all it is loonie is the media trying to create a story. I don’t see Briere getting one handed to him. Yes he is a vet but this team has a few that already wear letters. He will no doubt though be another vet voice in the room.

      I still don’t like the signing of Briere at all but I hope he proves me wrong and I will cheer for him because he is a hab.

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

  52. frontenac1 says:

    Hola amigos! Dog days of August. I like Bleuet,Le Tigre and Grapes. Saludos!

  53. CharlieHodgeFan says:

    This “French media” rumour is a joke. No source, no quote, just ‘sources say that sources say.”
    It might make sense for someone to stir the August pot with such a statement – look how the rumour got a reaction here. Someone has to come out and say it now, as the idea of a French speaking media relations player isn’t a bad one, given the market demographics. And angy fans equal advertizing revenue.

    If one reporter among dozens trolled the question, then let’s see who, where and what was said.

    Sportswriters/pundits are a weird crew in any language. It’s just as easy to play “name the blathering idiot” about Hockey Night in Canada as it is about RDS. I rarely watch anything hockey connected in English, and when I do, I cringe. The English media is biased and loaded with howling incompetents. The French speaking media is also biased and also loaded with frothing fools. You have highly competitive businesses trying to sell information to a passionate and often unreasonable fan base, and sensationalism rules.
    There are journalists who are intelligent and measured people who like sports and analyze sporting events due to their interest (try Boone, or Stubbs). They are very good, and would be or are good covering the world outside of sports. Then you have guys who live sports information, but don’t follow anything but sports, guys who have made it their life’s work to talk about what other people don’t do when they should. There is a lot of pompous and pathetic reporting in all sports and in every language.
    Any time you want to denounce the weaknesses of the “French Media”, I will say two words: Tony Marinaro.
    Any time you want to get mad because someone has reportedly, maybe, possibly suggested something you don’t like, find the source and link to it for everyone, or stay calm.

    “French Media” Huh. You’re shadow boxing.

    • Dust says:

      I do find that RDS is not the most credible source. if i hear a rumour i tend not to believe until it comes from another media source first. There are some great media people in quebec though. so lumping them into 1 category is wrong.

  54. HabFab says:

    So do the Habs take an A from Gorges or Markov?

    • L Elle says:

      Markov has an A but Gorges doesn’t. ;)

    • Eddie says:

      Briere has had a letter on his jersey for several years now.

      People who supported the signing should not be surprised or shocked if Briere is asked to become one of the leaders of this team.

      It is very common to give a veteran who has joined the team a letter, as well.

      Personally, I have been against the signing since day one, but I was convinced to be patient and allow Bergevin to make one more move that would presumably bring the Briere signing to a logical conclusion.

      Still waiting.

  55. HabFanSince72 says:

    I can only imagine the hijinx when Matty’s friends ask him if he wants to go out for French food or Italian food? “French or Italian? But I’m hungry now, and it would cost a fortune to buy last minute tickets. Plus I haven’t packed.”

    In any case I haven’t seen a single mention of Briere as potential ‘A’ although his willingness to brave Quebec’s new for 2013 top marginal tax rate of 25.5% (compared to 10% in Alberta for example) does show a certain dedication to the red, white and blue. (Or he had no other offers.)

    • Eddie says:

      I tried telling the boys several weeks ago that using “French” to describe a francophone from Quebec is common in my neck of the woods.

      No one really gives a rat’s behind about France in Quebec, and I’m described as being English, as well.

      Language has its own life, and it evolves and changes over time.

      Calling La Presse or Le Journal de Montreal “French” media is just a simple way of referring to the fact that their text is written in the French language.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        I asked my wife to go out for Chinese food last night but she pointed out that you need a visa for China. So we decided to go to Hong Kong instead. Officially part of China now. OK, we’ve only made it as far as the airport lounge at Pearson, but I’m salivating at the thought of that Cantonese duck. Only 14 hours to go.

  56. Maritime Ron says:

    Good Morning morning crew

    There appears to be some talk on HIO about the “Quebec media-French media-or some in the French media”….about the possibility of Danny Briere as assistant Captain.

    While I have never seen anything in print or seen or heard on television or radio, perhaps those that have mentioned that could provide a link or source.

    Regardless of that, there is a much bigger question – that being when is it time to retire/move the present ‘leadership group’ and allow those deemed as the Habs Future to assume those roles?

    Looking back, and with respect to Gionta, he was basically a default choice….and sadly referencing 2011/12 – even with the coaching/management turmoil, that Habs team literally quit.
    That season was a Habs embarrassment of historical proportions.
    Where was the leadership group then?

    While the Habs have a storied list of Captains that included two Richards, Beliveau, Cournoyer, Savard, Gainey….this is the 21st Century and we should move on.

    Look around the NHL at the Captains/leadership groups, and you can see a pattern forming concerning youth and team drafted players.

    At 19 years, 286 days, Gabriel Landeskog of the Colorado Avalanche became the youngest player in NHL history to be named Captain.
    Sid Crosby was Captain at 19 years old 297 days.
    Vincent Lecavalier was named captain at 19 years and 315 days.
    Jonathan Toews was named Captain at 20 years old and 79 days.
    The Kings Dustin Brown was 23.
    Shea Weber was 24.
    Claude Giroux was 24.

    While this year may be a tad early for the radical move, and depending on how this season pans out, the torch should be passed on to some combo of Max, PK, Eller, Galchenyuk, and Gallagher with support from Gorges and Prust.

    They are the Habs future and should be allowed to create a new identity.
    Instead of being ‘leadership stifled’, they should be allowed to take charge.
    There is a belief from here that doing that will make both them and the team better.

    • Cal says:

      Good morning, Ron.
      So, like, I guess it’s Chucky as the new captain?

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      If Gionta were traded before the season starts I would guess that we would have a season without a ‘C’.

      There is only one person with the skill, seniority and gravitas to do it (Markov) and he doesn’t talk.

      PK is 1-2 years away.

      • Maritime Ron says:

        Even if Gionta was willing to lift his NTC, there are few teams that can afford BOTH his $5M Salary and Cap hit for an oft injured soon to be 35 year old smaller guy with a lot of miles on him ( 790 games including 95 tough playoff games)

        Gionta’s value grows at trade deadline as The Cap hits are calculated daily as are Salary payments.

        The only problem with that is if the Habs are in the playoff hunt, it would be difficult to trade him…and even if we could, it would probably be to a serious Cup contender with only draft picks/prospects coming back our way.
        No team at that point would give up a roster player.

    • habs-hampton says:

      In regards to the captaincy, there is of course the elephant in the room. A 3rd straight non-francophone captain will not sit well in Quebec. While you can’t always have a French-speaking captain these days, you had better at least have an older more mature captain to handle the Montreal media. For that reaon, Briere MUST get an ‘A’, and the captain will stay as Gionta for a least one more year.

      • Maritime Ron says:

        Hampton

        Why, as you state, “MUST” Briere have an “A” on his sweater? What is his ‘right’ to have an “A”….or how has he actually earned that “A” for the Habs?

        By snubbing Montreal in 2007? (for whatever reasons?)

        Has he won a Cup?
        No.
        Is it because he has scored 286 regular season goals in 12 NHL seasons ?
        Because he was named the All Star Game MVP in 2007?
        To appease a certain media segment?
        Is it a birth right?

        Him and Giroux’s click caused enough turmoil in Philly against the Richards/Carter click that Holmgrem moved the later that now have Stanley cup rings in LA.

        NO…The soon to be 36 year old Briere should come to camp in the best shape ever for that 5’10″-179 pound frame, lead by example and actually try and earn the $ 4 Million we have committed to him for each of the next 2 years.
        He can be a certain media segment chou chou go to guy without having a letter on his sweater.

        • habs-hampton says:

          Ron, its not me that says he MUST. I’m just saying the the team will be under pressure from the media as usual to produce a ‘lettered’ leader who speaks French.

          • Maritime Ron says:

            OK Hampton
            Understood. :-)
            I guess we’ll see the true colours of the Habs org and its coaching staff if they decide to go that route…

    • Vito says:

      I, for one, thought throughout last season that the kind of swagger PK has, will either ran him out of town or make him captain… We all know how last season turned out for him and I think he has what it takes to be the captain and to handle everything that this position would bring about.

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      1) intended to hurt Pacioretty
      2) new Emelin had a titanium plate in his face before forcing him into a fight

    • habstrinifan says:

      I am totally in agreement with you on the need for a new captain’s voice. Too many clannish and uninspiring examples of discord have leaked out from the HABS room to instill confidence in the ability of Gionta or any of the present ‘veteran’ leadership to command this group towards the kind of strong-willed united purpose which they would need for a push to the Stanley Cup.

      As yet, the coaches have not given the core youth of this team the ‘respect’, which they would need, to be regarded as leaders. Price is the exclusion. He would have been immediately accepted from the youth group (he has always had the ‘respect’ of management) if he had shown a more gritty character. I do not believe that a letter for P.K at this time would benefit him or the team… especially when you consider the ‘rumoured’ past and the upcoming contract. Let P.K be P.K without any further baggage. Galchenyuk is too new and Gallagher falls in the same category as P.K.. let Gallagher be Gallagher without additional ‘responsibilities’.

      Eller, on the other hand, is one candidate who has shown a Prust like attitude when the ‘team’ has been challenged. And last season he seemed to have forced himself into the psyche of the coaches and management ,players,fans and opponents …. as one of the most valuable players on the team.

      It probably would make everyone take notice and signal a ‘changing of the guard’ if Eller were to be given an A. And I think he would wear it well.

      Maybe Tinordi will emerge as a ‘silent leader’ this upcoming season. I think the HABS need one.. need an inspirational presence.

      Someone who sees the motto ‘no excuses’ as inherently passive and can replace it with something more kick-arse.

      • Maritime Ron says:

        Really good thoughts, Trinifan

        This looks like the big transition year where some of the younger guys should emerge…if given the opportunity.
        Eller seems like a no nonsense guy and Superman Max brings back memories of when Patrick appeared in the playoffs a few days after an appendectomy.
        PK? I guess we would have to be a fly on the room wall…

  57. Marc10 says:

    A little while back some kind HIO poster flagged a YouTube video of Michelle Jenneke’s warm up prior to a hurdles race. That video went viral.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfkwW4GgAiU

    This weekend I took part in City to Surf, one of the world’s largest fun runs, 14km from downtown Sydney to beautiful Bondi Beach.

    Anyhow, Michelle just happened to be there to take our 30K-odd group of runners through her world famous warm up routine… and yes, she is every bit as hot as on that video, although sadly on the day her attire was much more modest (it’s winter here… and it was a ‘family’ event…)

    So yeah, long story short… It gave me an excuse to revisit this video!

    :)

  58. Habs4LifeInTO says:

    My apologies if this was already posted. They mention De La Rose and McCarron in this article:

    http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/53019-WJC-camp-gives-gritty-sneak-peek.html

    24 cups and counting….

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  60. habs11s says:

    Uh oh, Kadri is upset the Leafs haven’t driven a truck full of money up to his house yet….

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  61. habstrinifan says:

    According to reports the French media are embracing Briere and touting him for a letter. Similarly to the aggrandizement of Latendresse, this would serve neither the player nor the team.

    I would dearly love Briere to shut them up as Alex Tanguay did when he became a Hab. He stood up for Koivu then and chided them for their bias.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Thankfully also, the media don’t get to make these decisions. :)

    • Mattyleg says:

      What interest does France have in the Canadiens?

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Sportfan says:

      Would you really give a letter to a guy who said no to Montreal first, only came here cause lets face it he’s not getting younger. He hasn’t done jack in Montreal except anger us. What a dumb idea.

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    • Un Canadien errant says:

      trini, is that all the French media? As a homogeneous, insular, quixotic rant block? Or a couple of rabble rousers?

      I notice Nazem Kadri hasn’t been signed by the Leafs yet. How does the English media cover that? What does the English media want to do in this case? Do Steve Simmons, Katie Baker, Brooksie, Mike Milbury, Cathal Kelly and P.J. Stock get together and hold a Star Chamber, then proclaim to the Borg what their unanimous take on the issue is, and what their prescription will be? And then every single print media hack voices the same exact opinion, as do all the coiffed airheads on video? Because those English, they’re all alike?

      I’m not picking on you trini, but I do choose to have this discussion with you, because I think we can have a reasonable conversation on this.

      The “French media” meme is too casually thrown around on HIO, and probably in general. It creates a situation in which good, insightful hockey analysts and observers are lumped together as one, as ‘the other’, and are dismissed as a whole.

      I’ll repeat again, I’m not French, I’m Canadian and I speak French. If we’re going to take a shortcut and call La Presse and RDS the French media, fine, but let’s be careful and not take the next eight steps and assume that everyone who works in media in Québec is a racist intolerant separatist jerk. If polemicist Réjean Tremblay is stirring up trouble to have the spotlight trained on him, let’s say that. If Bertrand Raymond is lecturing his colleagues and the public from his perch atop that titan of journalistic rectitude “Le Journal de Montréal”, let’s call it as it is. Louis Jean mess up again, and tweet out a scoop that turns out to not be factual? What else is new?

      But let’s not tar professionals like François Gagnon, Pierre Houde and Stéphane Leroux with the same brush.

      If there are a couple of hacks campaigning for Daniel Brière on a slow August weekend, there are probably twenty more who work for a francophone news outlet who think it’s ridiculously premature to even raise the matter.

      • Marc10 says:

        What UCE said… A+

        And as someone who does listen in to the discussions on 98.5/RDS and occasionally to what TVA has to say, I hadn’t heard but wouldn’t be overly surprised…

        It’s a slow news month and throwing that curve ball across the plate is bound to get a reaction. Most informed hockey fans would likely react with ‘what’s he done for us lately’ before anointing Daniel with any kind of status on the team. (Plus that whole not signing with us a while back thingy really wouldn’t work in his favour… which is exactly why this ‘controversial’ topic was brought up…)

        Briere is a veteran and former all-star and hopefully he earns his stripes wearing the Bleu, Blanc, Rouge… Tempest in a teapot really. It won’t gain any traction and you know MB/MT and co own the patents on team chemistry and personal development so no worries.

        Go Habs Go!

      • habstrinifan says:

        Hi UCE.
        I will try to answer with my own very blunt perspective.

        Let’s take one of your ‘professionals’ like Francois Gagnon. I used to listen to him everyday on TSN. And I am very sorry to disagree but on matters where he has to discuss Quebecois player on the team he loses his hockey objective. I remember the incredulity and scorn with which HIO greeted McGuire’s musing about trading P.K. It very rightly forced McGuire to hum and haw with ‘after the fact ‘explanations. Francois Gagnon did the same thing and offered the same weak explanations for what he said/wrote when he did.
        I dont get TSN690 very clearly anymore (weak signal) but there used to be a Normand? Flynn who was able to put aside cultural dictates and make much more hockey sound evaluations. Unlike you, I see nothing august about Francois Gagnon’s work. Also TSN690 lost another exceptional ‘french insight’ when they lost their morning man Denis Casavant and replaced him with the pompous guy who does ‘Bird droppings’. So we disagree on Gagnon period.. and as I said I was an ardent listener of TSN and formed my opinion based on many many hours of listening.

        The Kadri situation? I do not see the relevance to this topic. I lived in Toronto for over 35 years. They are VERY ..and I stress VERY lucky the Leafs. They do not have a dual cultural base to answer to. Montreal is different. It is why I was damn p’d off at Pat Burns when in one of his first public statements when he became coach of the Leafs he said, and I paraphrase.. “I am glad I do not have to give news conferences in French”… he did not say in two languages. Here he left Montreal and was p’ssing all over the very difficult balancing act that the HABS need to play for the benefit of the unilingual knobs in Toronto to get a good laugh. I listened to it ‘live’ so I would brook no expalnation to assuage my hate for what he did that day.
        Montreal is different. And it is rightly so. And owners like Molson and GM’s and anyone who runs the organization MUST understand this. Which is why PG was a fool with the Cunneyworth hire and Molson was stupid to allow it in the framework in which it happened. So both sides of the ‘language divide’ must recognize it and understand it. And both sides make unwise decisions base on not recognizing this fact from time to time. I repeat.. there is NOTHING like it in Toronto.. nothing comparable period. Your comparson is at best far reaching.. at worse.. well…

        The one term for which I would apologise is the term ‘French media’. Not because I used it to convey prejudice or malice. But because it is a careless term. And you have rightly called me up on it. But to go to the extreme and pretend like Mattyleg below, its use is totally misleading is also wrong. I would try to correct it now and use a more specific term. Maybe the ‘french speaking media of Quebec’.. I stand ready to accept any term which you say is more precise and correct and less ‘ugly’.

        However, you ask me to not lump the ‘professionals’ in the ‘french speaking media of Quebec’ with people like… and you gave some infamous examples of well known extremism. My challenge is that you show me the “twenty more who work for a francophone news outlet who think it’s ridiculously premature to even raise the matter..” and are publicly and unequivocally ridiculing it.

        From a purely hockey standpoint, making a fuss or campaigning at this time for Daniel Briere to be given the C or a letter is alamingly uncalled for and really has no basis in hockey common-sense as it relates to the Mtl Canadiens NOW. And a player of Briere’s present stature would not have elicited similar calls from Toronto or anywhere else in the NHL.

        I welcome discussions like these because they often help me to examine my own subjectivity/objectivity. And I do NOT feel that you are “picking on” me. I however feel that to sidestep the issue that this represents…and yes the almost “homogeneous, insular” pressures that the ‘french speaking media of Quebec’ bring on the Canadiens through items like this is to be escapist and frankly not conducive to “reasonable conversation”.

        • Phil C says:

          I think the term french media is correct and acceptable. The adjective french in this case refers to language, not the country, which I believe is what you meant. It was not misleading, nor confusing.

          If the call for a letter for Briere is coming from one reporter, then I understand the point that calling one clown’s opinion the french media would be too broad a stroke.

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          So I guess we’ll disagree on François Gagnon, but I’ll say again that he was never cheerleading for a P.K. Subban trade, but only discussing the merits and implications. In short, he said to everyone who wanted to get Ryan Getzlaf here that it would take either Carey Price or P.K. Subban going the other way. I have a rough summary of the article in question, along with a link to the original article, which I posted on HIO at the time, and kept a copy on my blog.

          http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.ca/2012/03/francois-gagnon-is-good-professional.html

          The Kadri situation which I bring up is only meant to illustrate that when something controversial is occurring in Toronto or Vancouver, we don’t jump up and condemn the English media. We tend to just say the media, or more accurately, Don Cherry or Steve Simmons or Tony Gallagher. Unfortunately, a lot of HIO members don’t get exposed to the French media that covers the Canadiens, but keep hearing how awful it is by posters who lump everything together. It’s a subtle way to demean and divide, and I’m just pointing out how it’s inaccurate and sometimes inflammatory and unhelpful to use that term.

          I have to admit I haven’t gone looking for which analyst or editorialist thinks it’s a good idea to name Daniel Brière captain, and wouldn’t want to click on it to give it more reads, so it’s hard for me to comment on its substance, but maybe we should link to that article directly and lay the responsibility at the feet of the culprit, instead of the amorphous amoral French media.

          As far as my list of the twenty pros who are denouncing this talk, your challenge is catching me short-handed, because as I’ve said, I haven’t tried to read up on it. The gang at RDS has some good guys, Stéphane Leroux, Pierre Houde and Marc Denis, and some who are less useful. Growing up, I usually relied on Radio-Canada and La Presse for quality sports journalism, and knew that Le Journal de Montréal and TVA were generally shlock. I think we can rely on that as our rule of thumb, with RDS taking over from SRC for hockey coverage. They’re not quite as good, but the production values are top notch, and so is the actual broadcast of the game. It’s just the period breaks that suffer when Benoit Brunet gets on.

          I’m glad you and I can have this talk. I try to not be too sensitive to slights to the French Canadian community, and sometimes let stuff go, but I figured we can be reasonable with each other. Thanks for the chat.

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  62. @smartdog

    1. Halak as good as he was for one playoff series did more for the team by leaving than staying. But at the same time, if Price was traded for Eller and St Loius’ 2010 first round pick maybe we would have ended up with Vladimir Tarasenko a RW.
    Now had Halak played the last three years with the Habs we wold have ended up playing the end of the season in the playoffs with a backup.
    I’ll take Price and no Tarasenko over a backup playing out the our last three seasons.
    2. No idea yet.
    3. Can’t comment on Gionta, none of us know who is the best man for the job. But on ice right now Prust leads by example, so I imagine he talks the talk in the dressing room too. After Gomez, Gionta, and Cammeljockie have left a bade taste in my mouth withany of those moves now. But that’s now.
    4. Cole signing great, Cole trading Great! Ryder shutting down after April 11th well who knew.
    5. Love ice dancers, easy to look at but I am a man and not 10 years old.

    OK that’s enough hockey talk, it’s summer and I don’t do hockey in July/August. If anyone can make it I am setting up fireworks tonight and then getting ready for the meteor shower, tonight and tomorrow are the peak nights.

    Last evening I helped eat 24 lbs of fall lobster. I waited over 12 months for this feed and it was well worth the wait. Man I love this Island, leaving shortly, maybe this week or next Monday.

    OK time to put on a show for the kids here at the resort. Peace all!
    Training camp is around the corner, try and rest before it kicks into high gear .

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  63. SmartDog says:

    5 QUESTIONS… in Hindsight:

    1. Now that time has passed, did we win the Halak trade?
    2. Did the Cammalleri trade turn out to be a good one for us?
    3. Would you have given Gionta the A?
    4. Was the Cole deal a good idea?
    5. Youpi (which as my Halifax friend says, is what happens after too many Molsons), or…. another mascot that isn’t orange.*

    *I would’ve gone for no mascot but cheerleaders… with poles.

    SD
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    • AllHailTheFlower says:

      1) Yes – 100%, absolutely, without a doubt, yes.
      2) I think the jury’s still out on this one a bit, but it was obvious that Cammalleri couldn’t stay and a trade was necessary – it just didn’t need to be executed in such a bizarre fashion.
      3) Don’t forget, the Habs had gone a season without a captain – Gionta was obviously a popular choice among the players, so giving him the C is fine with me.
      4) Sure – it sounds like Cole was a growing cancer in the room, and Ryder put up better numbers in the end.
      5) Poor Youppi – I don’t think the Habs need a mascot at all, but it was a community-minded move by the Habs and I’m pretty much indifferent to it.

      • SmartDog says:

        Those are all really reasonable answers. Darn! My questions must have been too easy. :(

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      • habstrinifan says:

        From everything I recall reading, Gionta was more JM’s choic ethan the players’. And the entire Cammalleri/JM/Captaincy story which is well documented has cast a dark shroud over Gionta’s reign.

    • Maritime Ron says:

      1) Another 3-5 years to figure out. Looks promising
      2) Trade ends up being Cammalleri , goalie Karri Rammo, and Ryan Culkin for Bourque, Patrick Holland, and Zack Fucale. We’ll see….might take another 5-10 years.
      3) From all reports, he has been a good Captain.
      4) Depends how Briere does in the next 2 years
      5) Yvon Lambert

    • Marc10 says:

      1. Hard to tell. I do think Halak was the right goalie to trade and I like Eller. But it’s hard to say what the alternative would have been. Does Halak perform with the No1 role in MTL? Does Price fetch a better return (and what is the payoff on that?)

      I’ll go with even split. Halak hasn’t won anything for St Louis and is showing signs of wear while Eller is just getting started…

      2. Yes. We needed to lose a small body with a big contract. And he wanted out. His lackluster play before he was traded made getting any more a difficult proposition. Good move when it was made, but I would have let him keep his shirt and not traded him between periods… That was weak.

      3. No. He’s the captain and he leads by example.

      4. It was. We got a great season out of him and offloaded him for decent return when the cap constraints demanded it. Not bad.

      5. Youppi was always going to happen once the Spos left town. The kids love the big orange bear/alien/thingy. No problem with it.

    • JUST ME says:

      1-Yes we did. As much as i would have kept Halak at the time, must admit he is fragile and a 40 games a year goaler max. As he was with MTL anyway. I really like Eller and think that he will keep on surprising us.
      2- Excellent trade on all aspects. Never blamed Bourque cause he was introduced to us in the worst of circumstances. This guy was a killer against us. Just the kind of player everyone was looking for. Really loved Cammy though. A real hockey lover but high maintenance…
      3- I stand with the C decision. Has not deceived us so far. A real gentleman.
      4-excellent deal. Sometimes deals have to be financial priorities. A shame that it messed up D.D.`s game though…
      5 Would love to see a machine in between periods that runs around and shoots Youppis in the crowd !

    • habtastic74 says:

      1. This year should tell a lot about this. Like many other goalies who did not really play during the lockout, Halak had a very rough season. People are writing him off and calling him a backup way too quickly. Let’s not forget that he did not just come out of nowhere during our playoff run. He stole numerous games that season and was the reason we made the playoffs. I would argue that he was the reason we made the playoffs during more than one season. He was also fantastic the season before the one that just ended. That being said, Eller looks very good right now. Today I say we won that trade, but how Halak responds to his first poor NHL season should provide the verdict.

      2. Probably, but I would love to have Ramo as insurance right now. How Ramo and Fucale turn out as NHLers will provide the verdict in the future.

      3. I don’t think fans can really know who is and is not fitting for captaincy.

      4. I thought so, until we ultimately replaced him with Briere…So no.

      5. He’s okay. No complaints, but I don’t particularly care for him either. Mascots are meant to appeal to children and franchises that struggle for fans.

    • Steven says:

      1) If Eller doesn’t even improve a tiny bit from now till the end of his career, we won that trade. Halak’s been something awful in St. Lou even with that one fantastic season(in which even Elliot looked like a star)

      2) I would say yes. It was pretty obvious that he needed to be moved(the “loser mentality” quotes and his awful play kind of did him in, though I doubt he cared much that he left, despite what he said). The fact that we got a good power forward(which we needed), a pretty decent prospect in Holland and the pick that would become Fucale is just gravy.

      3) I think there are players that are more Captain material than he is at this point, but there was no one better the year he was given it. It was basically him, Gomez or Cammalleri, so pick your poison.

      4) I would think so. Cole was a waste of cap space and a roster spot when we got rid of him. It looked like he was getting hot again when we moved him but his performance in Dallas proved otherwise. Ryder was good until his playoff no-show, and we got a pick along with it.

      5) I always liked Youppi, to be honest. Got familiar with the thing at a Cabane a Sucre trip as a kid, so I’ve never disliked it.

    • Coach K says:

      Good questions SD
      1) No contest we won. A goalie who seemingly breaks down every 3-4 games and had one good playoff run vs a big, still developing, highly skilled, tough (pops his separated shoulder back in place and keeps playing) centre who makes those around him better and who will be a cornerstone of the franchise.
      2) Cammy’s trade…At this point…a slight upgrade. Soft, one dimensional, undersized-but-very gifted finisher vs a winger with some size and straight-to-the-net sandpaper plus some possible quality prospects. A solid win if even one of those prospects pans out.
      3) No. At that point nobody had established themselves as a more convincing leader.
      4) Yes, even though Ryder’s lack of effort left me screaming at the TV most of the season, Cole and his contract was not going to help them win a cup short term, especially if he didn’t want to be there. Best to cut your losses and look to the future. Only downside is that Max seems to miss Cole who was teaching him him how to play big and also made room for him. Might be part of the reason for Max’s slide this past year.
      5) No mascot – ever!! This is Montreal. Instead, how about snow bunnies like those in Chicago. Might even make broadcasting a TV time out worthwhile and maybe it starts a whole new type of original 6 rivalry ;-)

      —When Hell freezes over, I’ll play hockey there too—

    • neumann103 says:

      1. Now that time has passed, did we win the Halak trade?
      Yes. Three years of Eller at entry level subsistence wages leading to a almost inevitable RFA signing at cheaper than market rates > Halak. Admittedly I would have tried to sign both Halak and Price and asked them to behave like professionals, but if one had to go it was Halak. At the time I questioned why they traded Halak for essentially what they would have got on an offer sheet (+ a couple of years) on a ~$3.5M contract and they answer was that they specifically wanted Eller. I quickly understood why.

      2. Did the Cammalleri trade turn out to be a good one for us?
      Yes. Look, I bought my kids Cammy jerseys. I think Cammy was unfairly vilified for mis-re-translation of comments on on the team’s losing mentality when they were doing an awful lot of…well losing, but it seems that Bourque plus $2.5M of cap space is a reasonable trade. Holland is decent plus, Fucale is a good but risky asset to pick up. Ramo was never going to play in Montreal and not being able to get him to North America to play would have made it difficult to trade him for much of anything

      3. Would you have given Gionta the A?
      The C? Yeah, I guess. I was a little surprised at the choice but in retrospect it seems like he was the overwhelming consensus choice among both players and management. Just thank God they did not give it to Scotty Gomez for being “good in the room”.

      4. Was the Cole deal a good idea?
      Looks like it. I was a huge fan of the Cole signing from the beginning. He was absolutely the best UFA fit available for the specific need the Habs had and paying him a bit too much for a year too long was the price they needed to pay. He may come back and probably suffered more from the lockout than most. Getting out of that contract probably makes sense. However, giving the money to Briere….

      5. Youpi (which as my Halifax friend says, is what happens after too many Molsons), or…. another mascot that isn’t orange.
      Hierarchically in order of preference:
      A) No mascot at all.
      B) A new mascot “Habernac” played by a 19 year old girl in a red bellyshirt and blue yoga pants.
      C) Desharnais
      … redacted for length
      Y) Charles Manson
      Z) Youppi

      “Et le but!”

  64. SmartDog says:

    I rarely listen to or watch French media (it moves a little fast for my halting French). Is the French media really saying Briere should wear a letter? Who are they saying to take that letter from?
    Markov? Plekanec? Gorges?

    Is it just one journalist, because that I could see… but if it’s a movement, it’s 100% pur li… I mean pure bullcrap.

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  65. Caesar says:

    I’m looking for a “just for fun” pick up league to play in. Preferably northshore Laval area. B-C caliber.Anyone looking for players let me know please

  66. habs1992 says:

    Prust is in Top 9 no doubt

    I support Carey Price
    “Habs Insider”

  67. rhino514 says:

    Prust is great. I would have had no problem with him being on the third line until Leblanc or somebody else was ready, say by game thirty, or longer if need be. Still wonder what is the truth about Kristo being jettisoned; i don´t think we will ever find out.
    I like the french canadian angle, and i think the size thing around here gets overplayed, but i sincerely think having both Desharnais and Briere is just too smurfy; Prust would have been a good stopgap for one of them; more than a stopgap, Prust could probably be an indefinite third liner for this team until the size issue is addressed. The team could have used the 3.5 od DD or the 4 mil of DB to better purpose. Between the two, i slightly prefer Briere because he´s good in the playoffs and can play wing (though he is much more of a gamble for health reasons and probably doesn´t have more than one good year left in him), but DD probably had/has lesser trade value. Still, the savings alone on either of them would have been nice.
    Question Bergevin´s direction here, for the first time really. But we´ll see. At the time I hated the Cammalleri trade, that turned out well so far; let´s hope both these guys do well and justify his faith in them.
    Still think with Prust there we didn´t need both of them.


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