A day off for Habs before heading to Florida

The Canadiens were given a day off Sunday to lick their wounds (and bite marks) following Saturday’s 6-0 loss to the Toronto Maple Leafs.

The Leafs’ Mikhail Grabovski originally had an NHL disciplinary hearing set for 4 p.m. Sunday after being accused of biting Max Pacioretty during a fight-filled third period Saturday. But the hearing will now be done by phone at 11 a.m. Monday.

“That doesn’t belong in our sport,” Canadiens defenceman Josh Gorges said after the game. “If you get in there, stand up for yourself, be a man, drop your gloves, and you’ll have respect. But bite somebody? That doesn’t belong in our league.”

Added coach Michel Therrien: “I saw the bite. You can see that on the video. I’m sure the league’s going to pay attention to that.” 

The Habs will practice at 9:30 a.m. Monday in Brossard before leaving for Florida, where they will face the Tampa Bay Lightning on Tuesday and the Florida Panthers on Thursday before returning home to face the Philadelphia Flyers on Saturday.

(Photo by John Kenney/The Gazette)

Leafs beat Habs in alley and on ice, by Dave Stubbs

Habs stank the joint out, by Jack Todd

Worst home shutout since 1996 for Habs, by Pat Hickey

No post-game rant from Therrien this time, by Pat Hickey

‘The jokers’ took over in third period, by Pat Hickey

Leafs-Habs ugliness shows hockey’s back, by Bruce Arthur of Postmedia News

James Reimer backstops Toronto, by The Toronto Star

Bite Night for Leafs and Habs, by The Toronto Sun

Maple Leafs enjoying life on the road, by The National Post

Habs tickets were a currency of choice for corrupting officials, by The Canadian Press

 

687 Comments

  1. veryhabby says:

    Earlier in the week a poster wrote how we really need a big, clear front of net, Dman. I disagreed saying that altho our D corp not the best…it was fine for the system we use. And that these BIG dmen are usually liabilities as they typically can’t skate and take dump penalties.

    I was wrong.

    Listen, the Leafs made us look silly in the toughness department. But when you look at their top 9 frwds, they are comparable to ours in that really even those with some size aren’t all that tough. The difference in the tough department is that they have 3 goons (2 dressed for the 4th line) and really big tough dmen (all but one Liles). Well I don’t want goons on this team cause they don’t win you games in the playoffs. Especially 3…no team needs 3 except apparently the Leafs.

    Anyways, that leaves our D. I like them all individually, but collectively not one single on can drop the glove and fight. Bouliion can’t. And no one wants to see PK get injured in one. Gorges, Markov, Diaz, Emelin can’t or aren’t allowed to. I wonder if there is any other team that has not one single dman who can drop the gloves to fight. And let’s not forget our 2 reserve dmen to that list. The thing is, we can try to add one guy. But still one tough dman doesn’t solve the issue when 5/6th of your corp will still be soft. It won’t be as tough as the leafs who are 5/6 made of size and toughness…but we have to start somewhere!

    I mean MB chose Bouillion to add toughness back there. And I have zero complains about his play this year. But on this corp, he isn’t the answer. Tinordi is in the ranks. But I honestly do not know if he has NHL toughness in him or simply size. Havent seen him play much. Time to move out Diaz, who has some been good for us, but we honestly don’t need him. He has prob most trade value that’s why I say him. And either bring up Tinordi or find an extra 7th dman on another team not needed who can add size for this year.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      I think the Leafs made us look silly in the trying hard dept. And the hustling and skating depts.


      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • scuba says:

      Sounds like you would trade our D for the Leafs D strait up.

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      I can’t tell if the Habs are great or terrible because sometimes they win and sometimes they lose.

  2. Hobie Hansen says:

    @Loonie

    What I want in a hockey team is a mixture of skill and toughness. If we can find a guy who can score 30 goals a season, fight and who’s 6’3″ and 230lbs, AMAZING!

    The likelihood of that is slim. So unfortunately we might have to bite the bullet and put a goon on the 4th line or as a 6th/7th defenseman.

    I know you have your own little idea on how things work in hockey, which is usually BS, that’s why you argue on here for 12hrs a day and have your comments deleted constantly.

    So I suggest you suck it up, give yourself a slap in the face and accept the fact the NHL coaches, NHL Analysts and the majority of posters on here know a heck of a lot more about NHL hockey than you.

    • Loonie says:

      When you find me a post that says I know more about than somebody else(that I posted) I’ll willingly acknowledge that you have a firm understanding of me as a person and of my opinions about hockey.

      But unfortunately you won’t and your personal attack will again be seen as a thinly veiled attempt at discrediting anyone who thinks that a team doesn’t need a goon to compete in the NHL Hobie.

      You pine for blood on the ice. Everyone who’s read more than one of your posts on here knows it because goons are the only topic you can discuss.

      If this was a baiting attempt I suppose I took the bait. But even with your neanderthal views on hockey I’ve never once thought or shared a thought that would indicate I think I know more than you or anyone else here.

      If you got that impression it’s because you feel that way.

      Just so you don’t look like a complete fool I suppose I’ll finish by saying where there’s smoke there’s fire.

      Edit: On the previous thread you started a conversation by saying that we need a goon and Bergevin will realize that and finished the conversation by saying you never said that we needed a goon. You’ll have to forgive me for accepting your version of reality.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        If the Canadiens most pressing issue wasn’t size and toughness you’d never here me mention it, ever. It is by far the most pressing need by a country mile, and it has been for THREE YEARS.

        So when people come on here and point their finger to the PP or a better backup goalie, it is complete stupidity!

        This team needs to get bigger and tougher and until it happens I’ll openly talk about it as it is the most pressing need.

        • Loonie says:

          It’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it, and others are entitled to disagree with that.

          It doesn’t make them know it all’s or jerks Hobie.

          And so we’re clear, it’s you saying that your view of the goon is how the entire NHL views it, that’s simply not the case.

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            Tom, you’re a big boy and I know you can handle it. I’ve seen many of your posts and my minor insults are tame compaired to the 1000s of arguments and temper tantrums you’ve been involved in here.

            But you can write this down.

            When Bergevin is done, we’ll have drastically grown larger, meaner and much tougher to play against. Which will make us a much better hockey team. And goon or no goon, we will have guys that can take on the heavyweights around the league.

        • Habfan17 says:

          Yes, they could use more size and grit, but that doesn’t mean fighters or goons, just good hard physical players. The best way to intimidate the other team force them into mistakes then burn them when they make them. Forecheck aggressively and finish checks.
          You also need to have a great power play so the other coach can’t afford to send out “goons” and try neanderthal intimidation tactics.

          Habfan17

      • Habfan17 says:

        There is no need to attack anyone on here, unless they bite you first. We are all entitled to our opinions. I will say, there are more than a few hockey analysts and so called experts that really do not have a clue. If they were that good, they would have been signed by a team as GM or head of scouting.

        There are some that are quite knowledgeable. Just because you don’t agree with someone, it does not mean their point is not valid. There are more ways to make soup than one, just because it is not your way, does not make it wrong.

        In my opinion, a pure goon is the wrong way to go. If it were up to me the league would grow some balls and call the games properly and stop spewing the crap that they don’t want to change the outcome of the game. If a player breaks the rules and gets a penalty, he is the one influencing the outcome of the game.

        The league can’t say they care about injuries if they don’t call the nonsense. Whatever happened to boarding and charging? Have they been taken out of the game? The Kadri hit on Emelin was one or the other. It was not a hockey play meant to get posession or take away posession of the puck. The puck was gone. No way does Kadri lay out a player that outweighs him by a good 30 lbs

        If the league actually called a game, there would be n need to fight.
        If the HFL can have a no fighting rule, so can the NHL, both are high emotion extremely physical games. What is worse, most of the NHL fights are premeditated, or start after a player lays a legal check that the other team does not like. The NHL needs to make examples of the players that start these fights and give them a minimum 5 game suspension. Hockey is becoming candy ass sport when a player can’t take a solid, legal hit!

        Habfan17

    • Steeltown Hab says:

      If we can find a guy who can score 30 goals a league who 6’3″ and 230lbs, AMAZING!

      Lars Eller, 6’2 209 lbs – NHL.com

      Scoring 16 goals with the garbage that surrounded him last year on the 3rd line of a 15th place team. I’m comfortable banking he could put in 30 playing with talented wingers, 23 years old just at the cusp of entering his prime. Desharnais at 23? AHL.

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      Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Pac, Emelin – @J_Perez22

    • ont fan says:

      So many want a 4 min. player to be the sheriff. Well and good. We are just holding on by our fingertips anyway. I just want an entertaining team for the next couple of years. The last 4 periods weren’t that.

  3. Un Canadien errant says:

    Our faith has been shaken by the last three games, especially the loss to the Leafs, but we’re not the only fans of a team in crisis. The Terry Pegula-owned Sabres are reeling too.

    http://www.buffalonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130210/SPORTS/130219932/1004

    From the link: “One general manager hopes Buffalo keeps Regier and Ruff because it leaves one fewer team to worry about. Another executive criticized Regier for giving Tyler Myers a contract that included $12 million for this season. It could ruin the defenseman, he said. Others are left shaking their heads or snickering or both.”

    I wonder who this executive is.

    • Sean Bonjovi says:

      Only the great Elliotte Friedman is allowed to present his or someone else’s opinion as fact in the form of a quote from an unnamed source while being sure to add weight to said comment by clamming the source is someone with a job that presumably requires expertise, even though their is no way to verify if someone with that job ever actually said any such thing.
      :)

  4. jmsheehy19 says:

    Goals per game: tied for 10th
    Goals against per game: tied for 14th
    5 on 5 For/Against: 13th
    PP%: 10th
    PK: 16th

    Are we a top team? no. Are we as bad as last year and should just trade everybody? No.

    We’re team with a winning record who has lost 3 consecutive game (One by one goal to a top team, and the other due to a missed goaltender interference).

    We got waxed against Toronto. That’s one game. Carey was off, and Reimer played fantastically.

    Chill out.

    • Loonie says:

      Goals against per game sitting at 14th is not a good seeding with Price as our goaltender.

      Things need to tighten up in the neutral and defensive zones.

      • jmsheehy19 says:

        Agreed. But the 8 or 9 goals Budaj let in is skewing that a bit.

        • Habfan17 says:

          Not skewing anything, the team should have played better those two games. It is what it is. All the goals count and are a team effort.

          Habfan17

          • jmsheehy19 says:

            I wasn’t implying that they shouldn’t count, merely that with Price in net, we’ve been tighter than the overall stats show.

            With Price in net, our GAA is 2.22 as opposed to our actual GAA 2.64, hence “skewed.”

    • Sean Bonjovi says:

      The PK’s been awful all year. IMO the most accurate measure of a hockey coach’s techni-tactical-abili-knowledge™ is the way his team kills penalties.

  5. Old Bald Bird says:

    We need Pacs to shake it off and be a leader. We’ll see if he responds. Hopefully, the line will click and the kids will get more ice time.

  6. The Dude says:

    One Parros , 2 young Lucic’s and 2 young Kassian’s please!

  7. Mattyleg says:

    I like the “Max and the Gals” line.
    Prust and Cole should be centered by DD.
    That’s a cool line.

    I’m usually terrible at this sort of thing, so don’t pay any attention to me. I’m just trying to have fun.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • HardHabits says:

      Is Desharnais, by virtue of his being French Canadien, still playing on one of the top two lines?

      • Mattyleg says:

        My goodness.
        I’m flattered that you’re personalizing your antagonism to fit my particular needs!

        Thank you, HH. It shows that you truly care about the little people.

        (DD excluded, of course.)

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • HardHabits says:

          I just want to make sure that Quebec’s reverse Affirmative Action policies are implemented accordingly.

          As I and many other people see it, both Eller and Galchenyuk are above Desharnais on the centre depth chart but the way the RDS crew sees it Desharnais is above Eller and Galchenyuk on the ethnicity depth chart.

          • Mattyleg says:

            Yeah!
            Keep going HH!
            You’re bound to get a rise out of me any minute!
            Really push it now. I know you can…

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

  8. Cal says:

    Mike Milbury and Keith Jones display that they are hypocrites. Watch the whole video.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71ZJQNh_IaY&feature=youtu.be

  9. commandant says:

    A look at the Calder Trophy Race to date (25% of the way through the season approximately), included in the top 5 is a Hab.

    http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/02/11/calder-watch/

    Go Habs Go!
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    • Old Bald Bird says:

      I think AGally is listed over BGally due to his pedigree, which is somewhat understandable. I am guessing at either Schultz or Tarasenko in the end. But it really is a very uninformed guess.

  10. CCL says:

    some sick people talking about trading Plekanec our best player good for at least 5-more years. we’ll always need a couple of vets around and there’s none better on the Habs than Pleks. If you want the team to do worst. Go ahead and trade him.

    • RiverviewCanadien says:

      Exactly. I can’t believe this comes up year after year. Just glad most people are off the whole Desharnais is better than Pleks kick…

      The team would be in shambles without him.

      • Habfan17 says:

        The Habs always draft the best player available or so they say. Those players will either become a player on the team or be used to acquire a player to fill a hole they have. Right now the Habs have a surplus of centres and right wingers. If you really want Bergevin to add pieces to make the Hbs more than just a 500, squeek into the playoffs team, then Pleks could be more valuable to them in a trade.

        I will say that Koivu was the player the Habs should not have traded. I saw Koivu knock Messier on his ass, I have never seen pleks knock anyone down. Koivu did whatever was needed, Pleks has never gone out and taken over a game or rallied the team to a win. I like him, but somone needs to go and he won’t get better of be more valuable than he is now.

        Habfan17

    • Kooch7800 says:

      Pleks isn’t going anywhere. He is our best all round forward currently.

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

      • Habfan17 says:

        Your logic os flwed. If you needed to hire a manager and you could either promote a guy who is good and has been a good soldieer and has come up through the ranks, or you could hire from outside, an upgrade that brings a different skillset that the company lacks, what do you do? Hockey is a business and there is little place for sentiment.

        Habfan17

        • Kooch7800 says:

          Pleks is a good player and a good leader. Name a player who you think we could get that is better without giving up pleks and more prospects?

          This team is not a cup contender and Pleks still has good years left in him. Unless it would be a big upgrade and the player would have to be younger I don’t see it happening

          “Keep your stick on the Ice”

          • Habfan10912 says:

            Greetings Kooch. That’s the million dollar question. If an asset is not part of the rebuild/retook he should be considered to be moved. If Pleks is to be part if that then he stays. I agree he is one of our best players. Time will tell if MB feels he’s particle the future.

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          • Mr. Biter says:

            He’s our leading scoring forward. Why would anyone want to trade him? Get rid of the Moens, Armstrongs, Weber, Cole (I hate to put him in the get rids of but he seems like he’s lost interest).

            Mr. Biter
            No Guts No Glory

    • Habfan17 says:

      All I can say is Gretzky was traded and the Oilers were a better team and Pleks is no Gretzky. Take sentiment out of the equation and look at the roster. He has peaked and will not get better. Galchenyuk is the future 1st line centre and Eller, 6 years younger and bigger has shown he is good enough to be at the very least, a very good 3rd line centre and penalty killer, and more likely a strong two way 2nd line centre. Then there is LeBlanc and Bournival coming. That leaves Beregvin a great asset to address a bigger need at left wing and a crease clearing defenceman. DD should also go!

      Habfan17

  11. SteverenO says:

    I have seen many situations where peopledo things for not other reason than “everyone else is doing it, so it must e the right thing to do”

    Lets consider resting the first string goalie.

    It is accepted, on most every team that the first string goalie cannot play every game, he needs the occassional game off, and that often comes when the team is playing back to back games. Has this theory been tested , Is there any data that shows a goalie performance drops when playing the second of two games on consecutive nights? Is it possible that his numbers get worse but could that be as a result of the whole team in front of him being tired (since they also played the night before)

    Even if it were possible to prove that a Goalie does benefit from teh occasional day off, would it not make sense that some skaters may equally benefit from an occasional night off?

    In the Habs case, perhaps Andre Markov would have a better year if he was given 2 or 3 games off over the course of the season. The same may be said for ErikCole, & Brian Gionta, aged 34, Frankie Bouillion aged 37 might qualify for the occasional”paid” vacation.

    I know that a goalie plays 60 minutes whereas the skaters take shifts and play roughly 20 minutes per game,but on the other hand at least half the game (most nights) the play is in the neutral zone or the offensive zone and the goalie also gets a “breather” .

    I guess the point I raising for discussion here is two fold;

    a) Does a 25 year old first string goalie merit days off during a season, any more so than a 34 year old defenseman?

    b) Is the strain on a goalie playing back to back games on consecutive nights any greater than the strain on a skater?

    Any thoughts?

    regards,

    Steve O.

    • habs-hampton says:

      So, does Saturday night count as a paid-vacation day for Cole?

    • habs001 says:

      Managing minutes and days off is an important element in a short condensed season….Cole so far has had most of the 11 games off so he should be well rested lol

      • SteverenO says:

        Does “managing minutes” make so much difference? whether a guy plays 20 minutes or 23 minutes, I don`t see how that will effect his performance greatly, certainly it is not the same as having a game off watching from the press box.

        In my opinion all the roster spot should be valuable, using the “extra” guys strategically in certain situations, ( aganst teams they have done well against historically, playing in front of family and friends, etc)and at the same time resting someone who can benefit from a day off WITHOUT it being a punishment should help a team over the course of the season.

        The notion that the only reason to sit a skater is to punish him while the goalie is rested to “keep him sharp” is , in my opinion foolish.

        Logically, there are only two possibilities;
        a) resting the goalie helps him perform better over the course of the season (in which case it should provide equal benefit ALL skaters )

        b) There is no benefit gained from resting the goalie (in which case why does everyone do it?)

        On most teams, playing the second goalie in place of the number one tender, is a greater disadvantage than replacing any other roster player for the “13th forward” or the “7th” defenseman.

        Am I the only person here who questions the “conventional wisdom?”

        regards,

        Steve O.

      • Kooch7800 says:

        buzzinga

        “Keep your stick on the Ice”

  12. Habsssssssswin says:

    What he said …word for word …is it ..plain and simple…Kudos Mr H

    Hobie Hansen

    February 11, 2013 at 10:51 am

    Marc Bergevin will address the fiasco of what happened in the 3rd period against the Leafs when he has the opportunity. I’d imagine he’s looking into what tough guys around the league are available and analyzing if they can actually improve or are the bare minimum, not worsen the team. There are tough guys like John Scott from Buffalo, not saying he’s available, who can fight like hell but only play three minutes a game, I don’t think that’s what we want. We need a guy on that 4th line who can play seven or eight minutes a game and not jeopardize things. In saying that, he might decide to grab a 3 minute a game guy and put up with it for the time being.

    In a lot of areas, his hands are tied, for the time being. He inherited a team that has added some size on the wings over the last couple years but is still smallish down the middle and on defense. Desharnais, Gionta, Diaz, Gallagher are all pretty small guys. And players like Markov, Plekanec and Gorges are not exactly physically imposing either. There is obviously room for some of those guys but when you add them all together, you get what we saw Saturday.

    There is no question Bergevin is absolutely fuming about what happened Saturday but he’s 11 games into his ownership of the roster. Hopefully he can pull off a trade too add an enforcer this season so we don’t have to watch our players be embarrassed and have the snot beat out of them. He will also slowly phase out the overabundance of small players but it isn’t going to happen overnight.

    • Loonie says:

      Blind faith is a funny thing.

      Bergevin had the opportunity to add a goon in the off-season and chose Prust instead.

      He could have brought Staubitz back at minimal cost and chose not to.

      Interesting that many think he’ll cave and bring a goon on board when he’s chosen not to during his six months on the job.

      • Kooch7800 says:

        Having a good wouldn’t have won that game on Saturday. We might have just had a stagged fight with orr….doesn’t really do much

        Personally, We lack team sand paper. Moen isn’t exactly banging and crashing this year and neither is armstrong.

        I hope MB looks into how to improve the team as a whole and doesn’t just sign a goon

        “Keep your stick on the Ice”

        • Loonie says:

          My thoughts exactly.

          • Kooch7800 says:

            I am interested to see what happens at the deadline if MB moves some players out for picks. I think if there was a market for Kabby or Weber they would already be gone. They will have to wait till teams have injuries on the back end I think. Who knows.

            I am wondering if MB didn’t address getting another D man until he see’s how Tinordi and Ellis etc do this season in the AHL and maybe bring one up next year. With a short season he may be just evaluating

            “Keep your stick on the Ice”

          • Loonie says:

            I’m all but certain that’s exactly what he’s doing.

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          He might add a goon for the time being and I can guarantee he’ll had more size and sandpaper over the long run.

        • The Dude says:

          Kooch …are you telling us that if we had 2 Lucics and 2 Kassians on the Habs vs the last 3 teams it wouldn’t have made a difference? Get real man :
          :roll:

          • Loonie says:

            He’s saying that two Lucic’s and Kassian’s would have made a difference but two Orr’s or McLaren’s wouldn’t have.

          • Kooch7800 says:

            Dude…Lucic is a 20 plus goal scorer and Kassian is a top notch prospect who is playing in a top 6 roll in Vancouver. Last time I checked they are not goons they play top 6 minutes. You are not comparing apples to apples.

            Why not through Corey Perry in there.

            Comparing Lucic, Kassian to someone like John scott is laughable

            “Keep your stick on the Ice”

        • commandant says:

          A goon doesn’t necessarily even see the ice at the same time Orr is running around.

          Go Habs Go!
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      • Hobie Hansen says:

        Staubitz and Prust are about the same quality of fighter but Prust is a better hockey player. So Prust replaced Staubitz, which was good.

        Neither Prust or Staubitz is in the catagory of Colton Orr, John Scott, Milan Lucic

        I think Bergevin looked down the roster and figured we can probably get by for the moment with White, Prust and Moen.

        He may have made a slight miscalculation. He’ll fix it when he can.

        • Loonie says:

          Don Cherry’s wet dream.

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            Actually, It’s the blueprint that every team in our division is attempting to follow. Referring to Don Cherry is pretty lame.

          • Loonie says:

            It’s the Cherry train of thought. Chris Neil can play hockey, Thornton, Campbell and Lucic can play hockey.

            The only full-time goons in the division are Scott and Orr.

            Two of five teams have 1 goon.

            Not so coincidentally they’re the two teams likely to finish #4 and #5 in our division.

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            I was speaking more of the size and sandpaper aspect. And we’ll just see where everybody finishes when the other 3/4 of the season is finished being played.

            I’m in full agreement that that more talent a fighter has, the better. But to have none at all is bad move.

            Unless you’re an idiot and don’t mind watching what happened Saturday?

          • jrshabs1 says:

            the leafs and Bruins will finish 4-5 in division?..Boston is 8-1-1..can’t really see the drop off coming there..Toronto will finish 2nd if the Habs can’t match there team toughness…is this 2009? Pacifists rule the day in Hab land…..no playoffs for us
            Go Habs Go!!

          • Loonie says:

            If you want to revise history and say you were talking about size and sandpaper you’ll have to go back and edit your last five or so posts Hobie.

        • Habfan17 says:

          Lucic does not belong in the same category as Scott and Orr, he would never fight them, he only attacks unsuspecting light weights or rookies, usually from behind and with his gloves on

          Habfan17

    • adamkennelly says:

      Habs need to add a pure fighter for games like Saturday so Gionta and Bourque don’t get slapped around by Orr and Gorges doesn’t have to deal with McLaren. Its pretty much unacceptable. Won’t dress every game but can be inserted into the line-up when necessary. Kassian from Minny is not playing and serves that role. McGratton is another one.

  13. jrshabs1 says:

    Can’t believe that some of our faithful are still resisting the need for the Habs to goon it up just like other teams goon it up against us…there is no high road to take…the battle is won in the ally. What good is speed through neutral zone when you are getting pounded in the corner. It’s sad to watch the boys get beat on by the laughing maple leafs with little or no response. Hopefully this new management regime will not fold like a pair of 2’s..they saw what happened on Saturday..they saw the need for 2 top notch enforcers…sit them in the press box until they are needed if that satisfies the pacifists.. or call them up from Hamilton. but for the love of God they are needed. The Toronto media is applauding the victorious maple leafs and spitting in the eye of the Canadiens…just go have a look at Sportsnet.ca or TSN.ca… Grabo is being hailed as a hero for biting MaxPac..guess you can do that when you beat the crap out of your foe..the victors write the history…losers talk about speed in the neutral zone.

    Go Habs Go!!

    • Kooch7800 says:

      How would a goon stop the players from getting pounded in the corner? I agree the team needs to be tougher I just don’t see how a John Scott or a player like him would help with that

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

      • jrshabs1 says:

        Did you see Kadri running around like he was 6’3″ 225lbs on Saturday…that’s what you can do when you have no fear of the other team. The skilled leaf players had space to do whatever they wanted…the score was 6-0. The Habs had no answer and certainly no push when it came to shove. Mike Kostka wouldn’t be dropping the gloves with Brandon Gallagher..(in the corner) if the Habs had top notch enforcer’s Why did nobody jump in to help the kid..? because they were afraid of getting beat up by the leaf goons. if you are satified by your team getting beat 6-0 and getting beat up..i guess there is no need for a John Scott

        just trying to keep some teeth off the ice

        Go Habs Go!!

        • Kooch7800 says:

          I have been watching a ton of bulldog games and Kadri has been playing with a ton more sandpaper the last couple seasons without Orr. I am not sure Orr is responsible. Carlyle is a coach who always wants his players to play hard and finish their checks.

          I think we have to agree to disagree on this one. I don’t see how having a heavy weight makes DD, Gio or Gallagher any bigger or some of our larger players who are not physical any tougher

          “Keep your stick on the Ice”

  14. Timo says:

    Is Therrien still the coach? Bummer. I was really hoping.

  15. Sportfan says:

    Montreal won way to many cups in the 20th century plain and simple expectations will always be high which may stunt this team forever. That or the Ghosts of the Forum are still in the forum and we need some kind of ghost buster to move them to the Bell center. The serious note though is this city will always have high expectations towards the Habs as long as they exist mainly because of the fact this was a winning team and losing isn’t good enough. So all the reactions to winning and losing goes back to being such a dominant team.

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  16. Hobie Hansen says:

    Marc Bergevin will address the fiasco of what happened in the 3rd period against the Leafs when he has the opportunity. I’d imagine he’s looking into what tough guys around the league are available and analyzing if they can actually improve or are the bare minimum, not worsen the team. There are tough guys like John Scott from Buffalo, not saying he’s available, who can fight like hell but only play three minutes a game, I don’t think that’s what we want. We need a guy on that 4th line who can play seven or eight minutes a game and not jeopardize things. In saying that, he might decide to grab a 3 minute a game guy and put up with it for the time being.

    In a lot of areas, his hands are tied, for the time being. He inherited a team that has added some size on the wings over the last couple years but is still smallish down the middle and on defense. Desharnais, Gionta, Diaz, Gallagher are all pretty small guys. And players like Markov, Plekanec and Gorges are not exactly physically imposing either. There is obviously room for some of those guys but when you add them all together, you get what we saw Saturday.

    There is no question Bergevin is absolutely fuming about what happened Saturday but he’s 11 games into his ownership of the roster. Hopefully he can pull off a trade too add an enforcer this season so we don’t have to watch our players be embarrassed and have the snot beat out of them. He will also slowly phase out the overabundance of small players but it isn’t going to happen overnight.

    Slowly but surely, Bergevin will undo the mess he inherited and toughen up the Habs in more ways than one. Patience…

    • Timo says:

      If this was an eye opener to Bergevin then I am fully convinced that most of the good folks here are more qualified to be a GM than he is. It was obvious to half the people here that Habs are pretty much the same team as last year, that there is no toughness on D and that Prust alone is not going to stop crap like Sat from happening.

  17. The Dude says:

    At this point and time I’ll predict the famous Habs injury bug a gonna happen…it is scripted.

    • Clay says:

      That only starts when we go on a potential winning streak, so it’s on hold for now.

      __________________________
      ☞ The first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool. ~ Richard Feynman ☜

    • jrshabs1 says:

      I believe the Dude…he’s wise and and knows history repeats itself. I have a signed copy of his book..thanks Dude!

      Go Habs Go!!

  18. Wintercount says:

    gm(gods man) benedict to hand over reigns.
    mcguire prepping for initial interview forthwith …

    don’t nobody say nothing – fingers crossed!

  19. mark-ID says:

    Lines at practice today:

    Bourque-Pleks-Gionta
    Prust-Desharnais-Cole
    Pacioretty-Chucky-Gally
    Moen-Eller-Armstrong

    “I think I may have found a way for us to get Griffey and Bonds, and we really won’t have to give up much” -Costanza

    • Loonie says:

      Interesting that Desharnais seems to be the only player on the team who doesn’t have to be “accountable” for his play.

    • jmsheehy19 says:

      Wish they’d shift Prust to the 4th line, DD to the wing, and let Eller center he and Cole.

      Though Wolverine and the Teen Titans should be fun to watch.

    • Mr. Biter says:

      Does Armstrong have Naughty pictures of MB and MT and uses them as leverage to stay in the line-up?

      Mr. Biter
      No Guts No Glory

    • Kooch7800 says:

      I don’t like the look of the DD-Cole and Prust line. They will seriously be no offensive threat. Are they trying to insulate due to size? We still have a small guy on all three top lines.

      This team really needs offensive help and from those Lines I don’t see it coming

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

      • Bogie Man says:

        I have been saying that since as far abck asI can remember. we need to trade for an offensive threat a top 6 forward who can bury the puck at will. We have guys who have potential but are not good closers. We have the assets now to assist us with such a trade why do we not use it? The changing of the lines is smelling way too much like last year. I think there are teams that will start winning now (Edm) and there are teams that started out great and will start on the slide (Mtl). Must haves:

        1. Top 6 forward who can close on scoring opportunities when presented
        2. Strong Defenceman (Big) that can initimadate.
        3. Big forwards (take as many as we can get)
        4. Back up goalie (Budaj does not cut the cheese) one we can rely on for more than 8 games

        • Kooch7800 says:

          I think Cammy was supposed to be that Sniper and it just didn’t pan out. He did well in the playoffs but struggled with injuries which is continuing in Calgary. I agree we need a finisher in a bad way.

          We also need aggressive help on D.

          I agree

          “Keep your stick on the Ice”

      • Bogie Man says:

        I have been saying that since as far bcck as I can remember. we need to trade for an offensive threat a top 6 forward who can bury the puck at will. We have guys who have potential but are not good closers. We have the assets now to assist us with such a trade why do we not use it? The changing of the lines is smelling way too much like last year. I think there are teams that will start winning now (Edm) and there are teams that started out great and will start on the slide (Mtl). Must haves:

        1. Top 6 forward who can close on scoring opportunities when presented
        2. Strong Defenceman (Big) that can initimadate.
        3. Big forwards (take as many as we can get)
        4. Back up goalie (Budaj does not cut the cheese) one we can rely on for more than 8 games

  20. adamkennelly says:

    biggest problem with this team is…expectations. changes from last year are not significant enough to create a Stanley Cup contender. some great pluses – the two Gs, Prust, Markov as long as his minutes are kept at a reasonable level and Bourque but our D is still way too small and soft and we could still use more size and toughness up front. I don’t like having Weber in the press box – he has value, trade him. I would target Engelland from Pit – plays decent minutes, top fighter and plays D.

    • Habsrule1 says:

      Pretty much what I’ve been preaching. Going from 15th to 10th isn’t a bad start. I actually think they can make the playoffs though.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  21. MacHabFan says:

    A loss is an opportunity to learn.

    Although most fans would prefer few opportunities to learn.

    The true test is what type of play will be executed during the next 11 games.

    No excuses!

  22. Loonie says:

    Therrien has special teams coaches. But if he doesn’t involve himself due to a lack of adjustments he’s equally at fault for the penalty killers running around and chasing the puck instead of focusing on covering dangerous scoring areas and again with no adjustments to a powerplay that’s one dimensional(point shot).

    Then again, if his last name were Quinn the adjustments would be called for on a daily basis by the media and fans and Desharnais would actually be in the pressbox for a game.

  23. CCL says:

    Don’t know why some people on here is blaming the coach. It’s the product on the ice and I would love to see any one of you do better with this gang. I said it before and I’m gonna say it again. You can’t coach what you don’t have.

    It’s time to start realizing we have at best average players. a couple stands out but that’s all. a Stanley cup is a long ways off and if we keep bringing in someone else s left overs. you’ll never see another Stanley cup in Montreal ….

  24. otisfxu says:

    If you believe in odds,,,,what are the odds Tampa loses 5 in a row?

    Just saying,,,,,,,,,,,,,,they will be hungry tomorrow night.

    • Luke says:

      Never bet against a streak… but streaks always end… and the Habs sure seem to be historic slump busters. I still remember a game against the Islanders a few years back. The crew announcing some Dman hasn’t scored in 200 games (or something) so naturally he bags a pair…

      • CCL says:

        We don’t need to trade unless it’s for draft picks. we are rebuilding. leave other teams misfits where they are. why do you think they trade them. a team don’t trade good players, maybe for cap purposes.

  25. nellis13 says:

    We need to trade for a big physical d-man to play with Markov. Emelin’s a great hitter but everyone knows he won’t fight. We need a guy that’s going to make people think twice. Too bad Tinordi isn’t ready yet.

  26. HabinBurlington says:

    Funny how emotions play out. As this season was about to begin, I was expecting a year of rebuilding with a chance at playoffs, but secretly hopeful we got a good draft choice again.

    THen the team started off with a bang and immediately one gets excited and starts to dream. Hopefully the team, the coaches get on the same page and become competitive again.

    One thing I still find disconcerting, is how it appears this league clearly has no interest in reducing fights, late hits, etc.. Appears more and more the teams will need to handle all of their justice. Little things like after the whistle where players are free to take swings and hit people with nothing more than a ref yelling stop it or blowing their whistle again.

    Its one thing to have some games with extra passion boiling over, but seems to me the league absolutely loves the idea of hitting players after whistles, having scrums form and general lack of control. Appears some P.R. firm has told them this will be a good reward for the fans after the lockout.

    • Mattyleg says:

      Doesn’t Philly play a ‘highlight reel’ of cheap-shots before their games?

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • ed lopaz says:

      Gerald, who is the target audience for the NHL?

      Its primarily, hard working, middle class, men who like to drink beer and eat chicken wings.

      Exactly who I was in my youth.

      Why would the NHL want to move away from the type of hockey their target audience likes and is tuning in to see??

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Well your description includes me, didn’t know there was a stereotype I fit with regards to preferring watching agression over skill. I don’t mind rough and tough games, but seems to me it is less about doing it between the whistles anymore is all.

        No doubt also, our team needs more N.A.G.

      • habs-hampton says:

        I thought the target audience was retired Americans who moved to southern states to play golf and ignore cold weather sports.

  27. The Dude says:

    Yeah,line juggilin ….that will fix this”it’s worked well for 20 years,lol” And just so you all know…when we beat Florida we are still a Top Khl team :mrgreen:

  28. habstrinifan says:

    I haven’t woken up from the nightmare. Is it safe to come out?

    Good news ..MB’s line gives me a busy signal. He’s doing some phoning around. There’s gonna be a trade soon.

  29. Loonie says:

    The optimistic crowd continues to point to the next game as an opportunity for the team to show what they’re made of.

    They had a chance to rebound against Buffalo and flopped, they had a chance to rebound against Toronto and flopped.

    The good start fooled a lot of people and the recent losing streak is doing the same thing.

    • commandant says:

      The team is neither as good as it was during the start or as bad as they were Saturday. The truth is somewhere in the middle and a 6-4-1 record middling around 500 with some loser points thrown in is probably pretty close to where they finish.

      Go Habs Go!
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      • habstrinifan says:

        I realyl am getting scared that we are gonna miss the playoffs because we are losing the same games against the same teams which we did in the last few years … games which not only mean the 2 point loss and the 2 point give … but have long term negative residue.

        • Clay says:

          Jameson, they are all 4 point games this year. No games are played outside of the conference.

          __________________________
          ☞ The first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool. ~ Richard Feynman ☜

          • habstrinifan says:

            OK! You and Commandant have convinced me. But if we dont make the playoffs you guys are responsible for finding me some excitement come May-July!

          • Clay says:

            Deal. I’m heading back to Canada, so we’ll figure something out.

            __________________________
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        • commandant says:

          When you are fighting for 7th/8th place (and thats what we are fighting for) and not the division lead.

          Losing the divisional games and winning outside the division doesn’t really matter. You are competing against everyone in the conference for 7th/8th place. Every game is a 4 point game, not just the Leafs or Senators or Bruins.

          So it comes down to winning enough games, no matter who you beat. No one game is bigger than any other in this 48 game season because there are no out of conference games.

          Go Habs Go!
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    • ed lopaz says:

      when the team was winning, Therrien was a genius.

      when the team is losing the players are entirely at fault.

      sound familiar??

      • Cal says:

        When the team was winning, DD-Cole and MaxPac were under-performing. Now that the team’s fortunes have turned, they still are.
        The players have to be accountable for their good or poor play. The coach can get his lines into winning situations, but the players still have to come up with the goods. The last three games, they haven’t.

        http://calshabsongparodies.weebly.com

        • ed lopaz says:

          when the coach gets credited with the wins, the coach should be held accountable, to some extent, with the losses.

          the coach brought a power play strategy to the team that was working, and then teams this week figured out that they needed to pressure the points and force them to move the puck and not shoot.

          where was the counter strategy to this?

          that needed to be implemented prior to the Leaf game because the Bruins and Sabres had exposed the weakness.

          it wasn’t.

          that’s coaching.

          • Cal says:

            Gerard Gallant is doing the power plays, but it’s an easy fix.
            Teams on the PP have to take what is given and win the one on one battles down low for the puck.
            A point-based power play relies on passive checking from the opposing forwards on the D. Once they press, which has been the case the last 3 games, the emphasis has to go back to the wingers and center controlling the play.
            1 player should ALWAYS be free for a pass, but that’s not always the case with the umbrella power play the Habs are using.
            I am surmising they will work on it today.

      • Loonie says:

        I think their loss to the Leafs was purely a result of not supporting the puck at all in any area of the rink.

        Seriously….that simple.

        • commandant says:

          The loss to the Leafs was a total breakdown in all facets of the game, from faceoffs, to defensive zone coverage, to puck support, everything that they could screw up, they did screw up.

          Go Habs Go!
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          • ed lopaz says:

            why did the breakdown happen?

          • commandant says:

            Why does every team have 1 or 2 of these games a season Ed?

            I don’t think any coach has the answer, cause if they did, they’d be amongst the most sought after commodities in the NHL.

            I’d work the players hard, let them know the effort was unacceptable, but once that was done, I’d take the game film and throw it in the trash, not much to be learned from Saturday Night other than that we sucked.

            Go Habs Go!
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      • HabinBurlington says:

        I don’t think the coaches or players looked too smart Saturday. That was very difficult to watch. Had to settle all my standing bets yesterday at the pub. I think buying the pints was easier than the earfuls I received. Heck the Bruins and Hawks fans jumped in, they all smelt the chum in the water when they saw me. :)

    • Habsrule1 says:

      They didn’t really flop against Buffalo, Loonie.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  30. habstrinifan says:

    stubbs tweet:
    ” Pope’s impending resignation bumps three-game-winless #Habs down to Quebec’s second-most discussed religion today”

    Good one! Stubbs.

    Pope Resigning!

    As a good Catholic boy I think this is a sure sign that the end of the World is near. What next… the Laffs in the playoffs?

  31. Strummer says:

    Florida road trip is an opportunity for Redemption,

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cz8_H5m6ymA
    ______________________________________________________
    “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

  32. Loonie says:

    It’s a bad time here when I’m sticking up for Michel Therrien.

    • HardHabits says:

      … and admitting that talk of trading Plekanec was premature. ;-)

      • Loonie says:

        I was about to go into a big Desharnais rant but I think I’ll leave it for another day.

        • habstrinifan says:

          Yeah guys how come you prefer to trade Pleks or DD before Gionta?
          In the last two years they have both been more productive/useful on this team… in my humble opinion.

          • Loonie says:

            Gionta has earned the benefit of patience through slumps due to being a career 20 goal scorer.

            Some people understand Desharnais makes the most of what he has but due to his skills and age he’s unlikely to improve on any of the tangible talents that offensive producers require.

            Desharnais is just keeping somebody’s seat warm.

    • ed lopaz says:

      you should stick with your original instincts, Tom. Therrien has made several bad moves that are being ignored during his honeymoon period – which is about 3 months.

    • Strummer says:

      Coaching was a big factor in Saturday’s beat down.

      The team didn’t appear ready at the start.

      Lets hope that all learned something fro that debacle

      Coaching is also a key to the Leaf resurgence so far.

      ______________________________________________________
      “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

  33. doogie says:

    Habs at least 3 pts on this Florida swing. Grabitesky will get a pair of games and become the new spokesman for KFC’s new “chicken bites”.

  34. Luke says:

    This is my big take away from Saturday:

    Why do they continue to play 5v5 on coincidental penalties?

    Offsetting fighting majors? 4v4 for 5 minutes.
    Offsetting 2 min slashing calls during that? 3v3.

    Not sure why they don’t. They just kinda ignore the fight, in terms of the actual on ice gameplay. Coincidental penalties are kind of a cop-out anyways, but keeping the play at 5v5 is silly.

    With the amount of offense that could be generated by both teams during 4v4 play, I wonder if they’d still pack lineups with goons. Would it be worth the risk?

    Plkus the play would be exciting and teh fight fans could look and see evidence that fighting has an effect on the game…

  35. HabFanSince72 says:

    Questions of the day:

    1. Is there any group of three players a Habs coach can pick for the shootout without someone from the commentariat pointing to the choices as a sign of gross incompetence?

    2. Is there any situation in which a Habs coach can play the backup keeper without someone from the commentariat pointing to the decision as a sign of gross incompetence?

    3. Is there any line combination or defensive pairing a Habs coach can send on the ice in any situation without someone from the commentariat pointing to the decision as a sign of gross incompetence?


    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • Luke says:

      1. Is there any group of three players a Habs coach can pick for the shootout without someone from the commentariat pointing to the choices as a sign of gross incompetence?

      No.

      2. Is there any situation in which a Habs coach can play the backup keeper without someone from the commentariat pointing to the decision as a sign of gross incompetence?

      Optional skate. During the summer… in an evaluation camp, when no one is made aware and he’s the only guy on the ice and no team officials are in the same city.

      3. Is there any line combination or defensive pairing a Habs coach can send on the ice in any situation without someone from the commentariat pointing to the decision as a sign of gross incompetence?

      Even a top lineof Crosby – Stamkos – Toews would have people complaining about who was taking the faceoffs.

    • Cal says:

      1. not really.
      2. see above
      3. look up, way up.

  36. commandant says:

    I like Patches with the kids. Its an intriguing idea that might work.

    I think this becomes our second line in terms of ice time, and that the Prust – DD – Cole line ends up third.

    We are playing Florida next so no real idiots that he needs to protect them from. The bigger test will be Tampa with Malone running around.

    Go Habs Go!
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    • Steeltown Hab says:

      Desharnais is a defensive oriented role, that’s a good joke.

      ———————————

      Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Pac, Emelin – @J_Perez22

      • commandant says:

        Where did I say he was a defensive oriented forward? Putting words in my mouth?

        I don’t know if you’ve noticed… but the traditional 3rd line is our checking line model is headed to near extinction.

        Our team uses Tomas Plekanec (a top 6 forward) as our matchup guy.

        Around the league; Ryan Kesler, Mike Richards, Pavel Datsyuk, Mikko Koivu, Stephen Weiss, Brad Richards, Eric/Jordan Staal, Joe Thornton, Dave Bolland/Jonathan Toews, Vincent Lecavalier, Travis Zajac, Sidney Crosby, Patrice Bergeron, all these guys are being used as the line that plays against the other team’s best line.

        The days of Guy Carbonneau/Mike Keane, or Gainey/Jarvis as a pure shutdown third line have passed and its simply not the way that teams are doing things today.

        The top 6/Bottom 6 philosophy is dying… its more top 9/bottom 3 than its ever been.

        Go Habs Go!
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  37. Steeltown Hab says:

    What does Eller have to do to take that C spot from Desharnais? Like what is that line with Cole and Prust supposed to do?

    ———————————

    Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Pac, Emelin – @J_Perez22

  38. Steeltown Hab says:

    Desharnais, Armstrong can do no wrong.

    Practice lines are funny. Pac with the kids I like but what else does Eller need to do to get a top 6 role, it’s honestly sad the lack of opportunity this kid gets despite MT saying he’s liked his play.

    Bourque – Plek – Gio
    Prust -DD – Cole > lol
    Pac – Galch – Gally
    Moen – Eller – Armstrong…… practice lines ladies n gents.

    ———————————

    Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Pac, Emelin – @J_Perez22

    • Habsrule1 says:

      It’s practice. Let him try different things. What’s funny is how we whine about every single move a coach makes.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

      • Steeltown Hab says:

        There’s one move that this team needed to make for well over a year and it’s try Eller at C on one of the top 2 lines, and they refuse to give it a shot.

        ———————————

        Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Pac, Emelin – @J_Perez22

    • Bob_Sacamano says:

      Playing Max with the klds is a very good idea. Even better would be to play Eller between Prust and Cole. DD has been complete crap this season (Cole as well to be fair) and yet there are never any consequences for him.

    • Loonie says:

      Change his last name and birth certificate to reflect Quebec origin and name.

    • Luke says:

      It’s not that Armstrong can do no wrong, it’s this: He plays a safe, reliable game. He is trust worthy. His game isn’t much, but he isn’t going to hurt the team. He’s not going to ‘lose it’ and take double minors or He’ll not score goals, he will penalty kill. He is a fourth liner. Nothing more.

      Armstrong is a Red Herring. He is neither the solution to or cause of any problems with the Habs.

  39. ed lopaz says:

    yesterday I posted that with the Habs down 2-0 and a Leaf icing call, the Habs had a chance to make a change, put fresh troops on, try and score against a tired Leaf group, and get back in the game.

    We sent on Prust, Moen, and Armstrong for that offensive zone face off, and the puck was out of the Leaf’s zone in less then 5 seconds.

    That, in my view, sent a very clear message to the Desharnais and Plekanec line (Eller had been on with the kids before the icing).

    Guys like Cole, Gionta, Plekanec, especially, the veterans, the guys expected to lead this team, certainly noticed this type of move.

    The score was still 2-0.

    I felt like the Habs came out terribly flat, slow and disinterested, and certainly this move by Therrien reflected his dissatisfaction with the start of the game.

    But….the score was still 2-0.

    There are certain moves that get a team going in the right direction and there are others that can equally send a team back a few steps.

    The body language of the veterans when the score went to 3-0, and then 4-0 before the end of the second period said it all.

    Whether you agree with the coach’s decisions or not is irrelevant.

    What’s relevant is the team came out flat, the coach tried to shake them up and awaken them, and his tactics failed – and failed badly.

  40. RiverviewCanadien says:

    Obviously this team needs some line tweaks. I believe Pacioretty is suffering because of his linemates. Put him with our current best players. Move Gionta down to light a fire under Cole’s ass and help bring along Eller who is showing signs of what he is capable of (about time). Don’t change the 3rd line. 4th line is a wash with what they have, maybe DD could create some offence playing with “tougher” players than Cole, and having reduced ice time might bring more energy to his shifts.

    Pacioretty-Plekanec-Bourque
    Cole-Eller-Gionta
    Prust-Galchenyuk-Gallagher

    Make a rotating 4th line of the rest of the crew
    Moen/Desharnais/White/Armstrong

  41. HardHabits says:

    People. People. People. It’s not a Tank™. It’s a Rebuild™.

  42. Mattyleg says:

    Morning everyone!

    Ahhh… just back from a lovely chalet weekend with friends in the Laurentians, replete with x-country skiing, snowshoeing, excellent meals, board-games, drinks, roaring fires, sound sleeps…

    A Perfect Weekend.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  43. 123456 says:

    So, I looked at the +/- and was surprised to see not only who the three best are, but how far a margin it is. Yea they do not play against oither top lines but GPG has been a good line.

    Armstrong is better than I thought – expectations were low but I’ll take him over White – I hav ebeen a big White fan over the years but it’s time for a bus ride to Hamilton.

    I was at the game in Buffalo – Cole looks slower in person when you see a play develop than he does on TV.

    I’m not one to hate on a coach (I am a coach) but would anyone else have picked Bourque and Gionta on the shootout? Granted they are playing with a lot of energy but the shootout is to get an extra point – rewards are put aside for an attempt at a point.

    Lastly – I am glad Patches face washed Grabs – the Habs get this crap all the time and they finally dished it out. They need to keep that going. Watch any game the Habs are not involved in and watch the activity around the net – Habs rarely push back on opposing forwards at the end of a play.

    Habs are about where most expected them to be at this point in the season, now just keep going and try to win 1 game at a time.

    • Loonie says:

      Enthusiastic yes on Gionta. On the fence with Bourque.

      Gionta’s excellent on breakaways and in the shootout itself.

      • 123456 says:

        Stand corrected on Gionta – I had no idea hios career SO success was over 37%

      • Kooch7800 says:

        Bourque last year was really decent in the shootout. Probably our best shootout player when he joined. Not sure of the stats but I remember him really helping in that area.

        “Keep your stick on the Ice”

      • commandant says:

        Gionta is one of our top shootout guys. 20 career goals (next closest hab has 8)… Was 4th in shooting percentage before the Buffalo game (5th now as Galchenyuk is 1st). The other guys ahead of him are Colby Armstrong (2/3 shots in career).. Tomas Kaberle (in the pressbox), and David Desharnais.

        Bourque was 6th, with Markov 5th.

        Go Habs Go!
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  44. HabsFanInTampa says:

    I will be at the game tomorrow night against the Lightning. Any fellow HI/Oers going to be attending the game? If so, let me know, we’ll have a drink or two.

  45. Cal says:

    Has anyone noticed that since PK is back, the Habs have gone 2-2-1? Cue Twilight Zone music….

    • 123456 says:

      I only noticed he has the most goals per game than any other dman. And plus minus not too hsabby considering he missed a lot of wins.

    • Mustang says:

      Cal, yes I noticed but I was chalking it up to coincidence, or whatever, rather than the arrival of PK. The Habs were playing very well the first few games and not so well the past week or so. Let’s face it, they sucked in every department against the Laffs on Saturday night. I am hoping that they have just had a couple of bad games and they will now bounce back with a nice win streak.

    • New says:

      Anyone else noticed that 2-2-1 is 2-3 by another name and that the boys played 5 games in 8 days, two sets of back to back, two on the road, and that their play went from win-win-2-1 loss, cheap ref call overtime and loss, to completely blown out?

      I know the sports writers haven’t. Good for betting.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      I was thinking about that yesterday but from watching the games it wasn’t PK’s fault at all….

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

      • Cal says:

        Replying here instead of further below.
        Agree 100% on managing Markov’s minutes. Twenty is plenty.
        There is a real pressing need for another right Dman that can clear the crease and throw the puck up the boards. Weber, Diaz and Kaberle should be the bait. The reciprocating team would have to be in dire need of a puck mover or two.

        • Kooch7800 says:

          I agree. Kabrele has to go and it is a waste for Weber to be sitting and not even getting a shot. Try and get something for him and let him play somewhere. Diaz is a good 5th or 6th D man who can play on the PP.

          “Keep your stick on the Ice”

    • habstrinifan says:

      Trade da bum!

  46. Al aboo says:

    call up Tinordi in place of emelin…..size upgrade…….

  47. Loonie says:

    Regarding trading some players if the team sinks and has no realistic hope at competing for a deep playoff run.

    I agree in theory. But things need to fall into the right place. First of all, when you’re talking about Gionta, Markov and Plekanec they all have to agree to waive NTC’s.

    Second, you have to have a capable replacement whose long term development won’t be hurt by being thrown into a lineup.

    Having said that I shared the opinion that if the team was in a full rebuild mode they should move Plekanec. Boy was I wrong and just goes to show why fans aren’t NHL GMs. Desharnais was an excellent player last year but thank goodness the team didn’t trade Plekanec because of it. Desharnais needs to make changes to his game individually if he wants to recapture some offensive production. If he doesn’t, why would we keep him over Plekanec? Trading a centreman is a realistic conversation with Galchenyuk, Plekanec, Eller and Desharnais on the roster but Plekanec shouldn’t be the one leaving town in my opinion.

    Regarding Markov. If he’s willing and the right package(1st and a blue chip prospect) comes along I’d do it, plug Kaberle into his spot and then buy Kaberle out in the summer. So the replacement issue doesn’t exist in his case.

    In Gionta’s. Leblanc has has to be healthy and ready for extended time with the big club again. Something that certainly is plausible.

    The likelihood of getting what you want here is slim though. With Markov and Gionta the asking price should be a first round pick and a blue chip prospect. With Plekanec it should be much higher. I don’t even know where to start but I’ll try by saying a 1st round pick, blue chip prospect and young talented NHL player. So if it were Edmonton for example I’d be asking for a 1st, Klefbom and Paajarvi.

    • Habfan17 says:

      Nice post. Given our logjam at right wing and need for a left wing, I wonder of Edmonton would take Kristo and Weber for Paajarvi. I know Krito would have to sign, but why wouldn’t he with the kids they have in Edmonton. That is why I included Weber to help get the deal done. Paajarvi has speed and size and might be great. One thing to remember if Montreal does trade Gionta, and they get a left wing, they do not need LeBlanc to be ready. Bourque could move to the left side which is where he had his only two 27 goal seasons!

      Habfan17

      • Loonie says:

        You’d be giving Edmonton a maybe and a guy likely to become a career AHL player for a first round pick with miles of skill.

        I don’t think Tambellini’s bright but I don’t think he’s that stupid either.

        • Habfan17 says:

          Well, they have not been so high on him and LA just picked up a former first round d-man for a 5th round pick. Just make the trade contingent on Kristo signing first, I don’t see why he would not want to play with the other kids in Edm!

          Habfan17

  48. Sportfan says:

    I just want to add I find it funny that at the beginning of the season it was oh no Markov he’s hoping to get hurt, to Markov is a god he’s back yay thank god we missed him to, he’s old slow and useless. He has made a few mistakes, but Orr, Robinson, Doughty, S Weber etc have all made mistakes too. I think Markov is fine right now.

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    • Kooch7800 says:

      I think he is fine as well but I do worry about the amount of minutes and the compressed schedule considering he really hasn’t even played a full season in three years.

      I hope they can manage his minutes a bit so he won’t burn out. He looked burned out on Saturday

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

  49. Sportfan says:

    I know this probably doesn’t matter, but do you think the Habs should go into a Draft and aiming for guys of 6 feet in height? Like stay away from the shorter players unless they are the best available, cause right now we still go after guys here and there that are under 5’11. I know you want skill not height but maybe we should be looking into the skilled tall guys that aren’t a D man.

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  50. Steeltown Hab says:

    Eller’s time is now. Reward this kid with a top 6 spot at Center, put him between Cole and Pac for 3 games and I guarantee we’ll never go back.

    Tomorrow’s a good night for Galchenyuk to pick up his 2nd goal I’m thinking.

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    Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Pac, Emelin – @J_Perez22

  51. Cal says:

    So, has everyone been traded and management fired yet? ;)

    http://calshabsongparodies.weebly.com

  52. RetroMikey says:

    Do you think the Canadiens will finish ahead of the Toronto Maple Leafs in the Eastern Conference standings?

    As much as I support my Habs, I’ll have to admit and not be optimistic like others here, my answer is a big no!

    How long does it have to take Habs fans here that we are a team in progress for 2 or 3 seasons!

    Too many whiners here and heckling our opponents like the Bruins or Leafs when in fact, they are 2 very good teams.

    Bergevin know this, and he knows he will have to make some hard decision soon like unloading some players like Markov (too old), Gionta (too small), Plekanec (too soft), etc.. for future dividends as I would say. Better do it now, then later and make these bold moves.

    This is the only solution for this club.

    If not, we are nothing more than a .500 team for years to come.

    “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

    • Loonie says:

      I do think the Habs will finish ahead of the Leafs.

      Four words.

      Carey Price

      James Reimer

    • Habsrule1 says:

      Come on Mikey. I know you like to stir the pot but you’re smarter than that.
      The Habs could have easily won against Buffalo & Boston, then nobody would be crying over a loss, albeit a bad one, to the laffs.
      The fact is the team has played better than last year already, and MT & MB are just starting to get to know and make changes to the team.
      Realistically, finishing 10th would be a big improvement (draft picks notwithstanding), so I’m not sure where the laffs will finish, but I’ll be happy if the Habs progress. I think, based on how they have played for about 75% of the season so far, they can make the playoffs. If they finish 10th or better, I’ll be happy with the progress, but I see them finishing 6-8 and maybe winning a round, and then doing a little better next year, and becoming contenders in 2 or 3 years.
      We need to manage our expectations but not freak out over a lopsided loss.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

      • Habfan17 says:

        You can also look at it the other way, and say the that how they played for that 75% was not indicative of the reality. The Habs had the easiest start to the season of any ther team. I would not say they could have easily won against Boston and Buffalo. I would say if Boston brought there A game, the Habs would not have been that close. The truth lies in between, They are better than last season, but they are a 500 team and that is not near good enough. Bergevin needs time to make the necessary changes, but some of thes players need to be moved while they have value and the young core needs to take over. The Habs are not as good as the first 75% of games showed, and not nearly as bad as they played against the Leafs!

        Habfan17

        • Habsrule1 says:

          So we more or less agree. If I’m happy with an improvement to 10th, I obviously don’t have huge expectations.
          I can also see some positives and some improvements coming as MT works with the team and MB figures out wat moves he needs to make.
          So far they are both saying the right things so hopefully they plan on making the team better, any way they can.
          Can’t really say the bruins didn’t bring their A game. Perhaps they were just countered well. Still too small a sample size to know what the Habs are. Even in a short season, you need 20 games to know what you have.

          Go Habs Go!!

          “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • piper says:

      You are correct Mikey, the Bruins and Leafs are better teams than the Habs. How did the leafs get so much better than last year? Bigger tougher players. Not better players but bigger and tougher. You are right about the players that need to be traded. You cant just trade guys like Moen, Weber, Kaberle, or Armstrong and expect anything in return. Its Plek and Markov that will bring something back.

      • boing007 says:

        Plek and Markov will bring back who in return? Any candidates out there? How about some names?

        Richard R
        Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

        • RetroMikey says:

          Trade Pleks and Markov for a Corey Perry or a Ryan Getzlaf and a prospect or a second rounder in this years draft.

          Do you think the Canadiens will finish ahead of the Toronto Maple Leafs in the Eastern Conference standings?

          As much as I support my Habs, I’ll have to admit and not be optimistic like others here, my answer is a big no!

          How long does it have to take Habs fans here that we are a team in progress for 2 or 3 seasons.

          Too many whiners here and heckling our opponents like the Bruins or Leafs when in fact, they are 2 very good teams.

          Bergevin know this, and he knows he will have to make some hard decision soon like unloading some players like Markov, Gionta, Plekanec, etc.. for future dividends as I would say.

          This is the only solution for this club.

          If not, we are nothing more than a .500 team for years to come.

          “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

  53. Habfan17 says:

    As much as I hated the way the Habs played, or didn’t play, depending on your outlook, on Saturday, my opinions are based on the season as a whole so far.

    As great a season as DD and Cole had last season, I wondered if Cole overacheived and DD benefitted from being new in the league, Patches desire to come back, and Cole overacheiving.

    So far the kids look great and are finding their way ( Gallchenyuk & Gallagher ). Markov looks like he needs his minutes cut. As a whole the defense is very good at moving the puck up, but when the bigger teams are aggressive, they get taken off their game, time and one big d-man with sandpaper would help. Maybe Pateryn will be the answer along with Tinordi. Tinordi is at least a season away.

    Up front, Cole, slow starts aside, looks like he is dreaming about his reitrement while he skates around. DD has been as effective as a house fly battling a spyder while caught in it’s web. I like DD, he gives it his all, but it isn’t enough. He doesn’t win faceoffs, is out muscled, and is not good in the defensive zone.

    Patches should have taken at least another week to come back from the surgery, Bourque is looking like the player that he should be with his size speed and skill, Eller is proving he can play tough, is better in the faceoff circle than his fellow centres, and makes some very nice plays. He has shown better patience recently. Gionta may be a great leader in the room and he always tries, however he is not what the Habs need on the 2nd line wing. They need that and some size and aggressiveness. Prust has been a very good pick up, Moen does not look like himself. I wonder if they rushed him back into the lineup when they benched White. Armstrong has looked very slow and lost. White will settle down and be an effective 4th line player.

    Emelin is fine but probably should be moved back to the left side and play with Gorges. Have PK play with Markov and Boullion with Diaz. On the power play leave Diaz with Markov and Emelin with Subban. That way everyone is in the position they are comfortable with. Emelin is a left defence and did play the power play in the KHL.

    In my humble opinion, the Habs couls get into the playoffs this season but they are not a true Stanley cup contender. They have a nice core and rather than keep this group together and try to get in this year, I would see what teams would give at the deadline for Cole, Desharnais, Weber, Gionta, Kaberle ( probably a 5th or lower pick), even Markov and Plekanec. If Bergevin can get pieces that would make the Habs serious contenders for many years like the Red Wings, then move them and have the new leaders, Patches, Subban, Price and Gorges take the next step. With players like Tinordi, Beaulieu, Bozon, Collberg and Pateryn the future looks pretty good. This years draft should add some more solid prospects.

    By moving these players at the dealine, the Habs can pick up some prospects and picks to add to the depth and who will grow together and then they would have money to sign any younger free agents that would be a long term gain.

    Habfan17

    • Loonie says:

      Greg Pateryn as much as I like his game has about as much of a chance to be a long term answer on defense for this team as Maxim Trunev does as a first liner.

      Subban, Beaulieu, Tinordi, Gorges and Diaz are all long term answers. Diaz and Gorges could be capped at five years but won’t be gone unless the Habs don’t want them.

      Pateryn’s competition for one or two spots over the next decade is Thrower, Dietz, Ellis, St. Denis, Bennett, Didier, Sullivan and every other defenseman this team happens to draft in the meantime.

      His odds are incredibly long.

      • Habfan17 says:

        Short term, I like his odds, he is older and more mature and the players you mentioned will need time to transition. He was a leader on his college team. I see him as a legitimate 5th d-man.

        Habfan17

        • Loonie says:

          His only chance is if a ton of injuries hit and the team buys out Kaberle and decides to bring somebody up from Hamilton instead of going the free agent route for next season.

          Even still, Tinordi’s likely to get a long term call before Pateryn. St. Denis is probably ahead of Pateryn in that conversation too.

          • Habfan17 says:

            Nice debating it with you. The danger I see bringing Tinordi up too soon, at least one, is he will become a target for arses like Lucic. They have more experience and if they were to do to Tindordi what Lucic did to Komisarek, it could ruin him. Defencemen do take longer to be ready so why rush him. As far as St. Denis goes, He did do well, but the Habs do not need another 5’11” defencemen with no sandpaper. Pateryn is 6’2″ and 220lbs and he does play with an edge and that is what the Habs right now.

            Habfan17

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Doesn’t Cole have a history of disappearing for a season every so often? I know we are all hoping it’s his typical slow start but one has to worry, no?

      As far as your other point I could not agree more. This season should be about player development. Any asset that we have who are NOT part of the long range plan should be considered for trade for either young prospects or draft picks. Trading for players just to make a playoff run would be a mistake imo. If that means we finish the season 9,10 or lower so be it. Mr. Molson can eat the lost playoff revenue. Time to build a true winner here. We’ll see in a short time if MB is the guy who will do it.

      ———————————–

      • Habfan17 says:

        Thanks! It is easy to get caught up in wanting it all right now. I would rather pass the torch to the young core now, let them grow and add pieces so the Habs are strong for many years to come, not just a run this year then lose players for nothing later. Squeeking in every year sucks. It is time the Habs get to the point where other teams respect them.

        Habfan17

      • Sportfan says:

        Cole the past two seasons has been pretty solid and the 3 before that have been injury plagued seasons
        http://canadiens.nhl.com/club/player.htm?id=8467396
        here’s his stats the way I look at it for Cole is he’s a god player but he’s not as good as we are perceiving him 35 goals was his career best he seems to avg bout 40-50 points a good year, don’t get me wrong its still good, but he isn’t better than that.

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      • Habfan17 says:

        I was thinking if Carolina wants him back, maybe they would give up a 4th rounder if he only plays this season and a 2nd rounder if he agrees to play out his contract. From what he says, he wants his kids to go to school somewhere other than Quebec, so maybe that would be enough to get him past his unhappiness with the new CBA!

        Habfan17

      • boing007 says:

        Disagree. Montreal Spring is no fun without a Stanley Cup run.

        Richard R
        Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

    • Ton says:

      excellent post. realty is we finished very low in the standings last year. we have a mountain to climb and only our pride and ambitions of being hab fans want better than expected results. I think we should start the process of moving forward asap. We need to get bigger immediately> therefore move some players now to get a bigger forward………fill the hole on d by bringing up Tinordi> let him learn his trade in the NHL…..what do we lose> were not a contender nor a playoff team as it is. I think 15 to 20% of your team should be made up of smaller players with heart> what our ratio? When Calgary had Theo he was surrounded by giants! We have too many small players….nothing wrong with them but too many in the mix!

  54. AliHaba says:

    In times like this it’s best to do as my dear departed father always said….”Look to the future”. So here goes:

    Tim Bozon 54 games 73 points +29
    Charles Hudon 43 52 +8
    Olivier Archambault 49 47 -6
    Brady Vail 53 43 -13
    Danny Kristo 28 39 E
    Darren Dietz 55 37 -5
    Erik Nystrom 42 30 +7
    Sebastian Collberg 57 29 +10
    Magnus Nygren 42 24 +8
    Daniel Pribyl 37 20 +13
    Dalton Thrower 40 20 +16
    Mark MacMillan 30 18 E
    Mac Bennett 22 15 E
    Mike Cichy 29 15 E
    John Westin 40 15 -2
    Dustin Walsh 17 14 E
    Maxim Trunev 40 9 E
    Josiah Didier 23 6 E
    Colin Sullivan 21 1 E

  55. 7677habs says:

    I thought Healey and Cole must have had their leafs jerseys on calling the game Saturday. They did everything but shout go leafs go. Pitiful commentary on our national broadcaster. Ever hear Aikman cheer on the cowboys when he analyses their games? Don’t think so…

  56. Loonie says:

    Connor McDavid attended yesterday’s Pens game as a personal guest of Mario Lemieux.

    What are the chances the Pens go back into the “Tank” for 2015?

  57. Loonie says:

    Some interesting opinions bouncing around still in the wake of a loss I see.

    *Brian Gionta doesn’t work or try hard*
    —This one has to be my favourite—

    *Alexei Emelin hasn’t been the same since Malone went after him*
    —In my opinion this thought is correct, because Emelin’s been better since that farce. Leads the league in hits and has become more reliable offensively—

    • The Cat says:

      We can disagree. IMO Emelin hasnt had any impact since then, but you know me, Im partial to big D who can clear the net and scare opponents. He doesnt do that so well anymore. I couldnt care less about a d-man’s offensive upside unless theyre Orr or Coffey. And the habs got enough d-men with offensive upside IMO.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

      • Loonie says:

        Without going through game by game basis on which Emelin does intimidate and does inflict high impact and clean bodychecks.

        I’ll point most recently to Evander Kane. Emelin absolutely crushed Kane in that game and he disappeared.

        He picked up a first assist on an individual effort by Olli Jokinen resulting in a goal.

        You can say Emelin’s been intimidated himself and that he’s changed his game. But the eye test and statistical view overwhelmingly PROVE contrary.

        Leads the league in hits and there isn’t a player in the league, not even Nicklas Kronwall dishing out as many high impact checks as Emelin.

        • The Cat says:

          Leads the league in hits, honestly who cares? Its like a faceoff man who wins most of his faceoffs between the blue lines but doesnt do so well in the off/def zone. Anyways I got to run. Im late lol

          [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

      • Phil C says:

        He looked bad at the end of last year, but I think he has looked good this year because he has been wearing a cage, so how could he possibly be worried/intimidated? I hope he wears it all season.

        That being said, I think he is being overused. He second to Gorges in even strength ice time. I would rather see Subban take more of his ice-time at this point. I see him more as a 3-4 guy, especially at this point in his career (only his second season) and given how physical he plays.

        • Habfan10912 says:

          Exactly. Emelin is being pushed into roles he may not be quite ready for. That’s OK by me because this season should be about player development. Emelin very well may be part of the long term plan here.

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  58. richman says:

    Stop talking about the bite!It’s only a deflection of how embarrassing they played and how easily they can still be man handled.If MB doesnt see that then there’s an even bigger problem.Imagine if Mike Brown would have been playing too.WE ARE NOT BIG OR TOUGH ENOUGH YET! White,Prust and Stortini on the fourth line at all times(if white can control himself).Moen obviously does not want to be here anymore so sit him for a few.As much as i like Gionta…gotta go.

    Richard Arsenault

  59. Marc10 says:

    In the spirit of changing things around here are some new lines:

    Max-Chucky-Eller
    Bourque-Pleks-Gallagher
    Prust-DD-Cole
    White-Gio

    7D

    I’m putting the best and hardest working in the top 6, and double shifting those that put out. The kids and Eller get a well-deserved promotions as they have more in the tank and some of the veterans (looking at you Cole and DD) will need to show up or they’ll sit.

    Ryan White gets a get out of jail card as he’s relatively good on faceoffs and Moen and Armstrong sit for not fighting/defending their teammates last game.

    On D, I am playing PK 26+ minutes just to make sure the opposition’s best is well looked after. Kabs or Weber get 7 mins at most.

    Carey is of course in net… forever. Beat that Guy Boucher!

  60. Buzz Lightbeer says:

    I wish Emelin was the player i thought he was going to be. No mean streak it seems. Playing scared perhaps? I guess i can’t blame the guy,i’m assuming under his face flesh he looks like a terminator. People with a wood leg don’t play on termite hills.

    • chanchilla says:

      I think he just needs some reduced responsibility, he’s not a one-two guy, hes a 3-6 pairing player and i think will thrive there as well.

    • The Cat says:

      I remember when Ryan Malone took a spazz fit against Emelin and said that Emelin was scared shitless and wouldnt be the same player after that. Well, he hasnt been.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

      • Marc10 says:

        That’s until he runs Malone again. That would be a surefire way to beat Tampa Bay. Pick your spot and pull a Steve Ott on Malone. Two points… in da bank!

  61. commandant says:

    Going to Florida…. will those games by the usual home games on the road this week?

    Go Habs Go!
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  62. NightRyder says:

    I, for one, am amazed that Scott Gomez has yet to score this year.

  63. Timo says:

    Just looked at the article picture actually. Ever since Therrien was hired I have wondered how many games it would be before the “I don’t have a f#%^ clue” look comes… There.

    • NightRyder says:

      I wasn’t a fan of the Therrien hiring but the pool is limited. The fact they have continuously failed to bring back Larry Robinson in any type of capacity is to me the most glaring failure of the last few seasons.

    • The Dude says:

      “I have never seen such a soft team play so short”

    • H.Upmann says:

      Im going to have to agree with Big Tim here… not just on the picture.. but I felt like we’re revisiting the past instead of moving forward with MT. I would love to see Guy Boucher as coach…. partially a McGill thing :)

      And please Geoff Molson lets stop this midget experiment

  64. habs_54321 says:

    right now this team is facing adversity just like every team in the league will at some point, it will either crush them or make them stronger.

  65. The Jackal says:

    Time to snap out of it boys and girls.
    Saturday was an aberration, Habs had a bad game following a bad week. It’s MT’s job to motivate them and get them going, and maybe he didn’t do a good job getting them ready for that last game, but they will bounce back.

    Think about it. We almost won on Wednesday and did not get pushed around by the Booins. We should have won on Thursday but the zebras screwed up a bad goal that should not have been. Clearly the boys were frustrated at that, and the two quick goals at home probably took them by surprise. They were probably pissed at the week’s results, and wanted come out strong but they didn’t and that got them making bad plays. Whatever, it happens, and they will learn from this.

    Another thing is this, the Laffs didn’t push us around, we had many good hits against them, it only looks like they did because of the stupid fights against their goons. At least the team showed heart by standing up for themselves and fighting bigger guys. The Laffs should be ashamed of themselves if anything, because we have nothing to be ashamed about other than the score.

    Unfortunately, this highlights the usefulness of a goon, but it’s something I hope we don’t try to go after. I’d say player smarter and hit hard, and don’t get suckered into those situations.

  66. Timo says:

    So… what do you folks think Mikey Therrien has to pull out of his sleeve to get this team back on track… so to speak.

  67. Dudley the Dog says:

    What a bunch of gloom and doom!!!! This is a very good team that had two bad games out of 10. They will easily make the playoffs and all that goonery does not take place in the playoffs — that’s where skill and speed come to the front.

  68. Da Hema says:

    Therrien should have taken the players bowling today.

  69. NightRyder says:

    It’s always good to think big picture, and I’d hope the new management has that in mind.
    Now, fans can’t do that. In today’s social media climate, every single game is subject to paralysis by overanalysis. We are no longer able to view things in 10-game snippets, 20-game snippets etc. We only see things period by period, tweet by tweet. Desharnais scores twice? “He’s the greatest. Contract extension.” Price lets in a bad goal? “He’s obviously hurt. How could he be considered for the Olympic team?” A two-game losing streak? “That’s it, let’s tank.” Etc. etc.
    We have to remember that Guy Lafleur didn’t score every night (it just seemed like it) and Ken Dryden and Patrick Roy let in their share of stinkers.
    I’d rather ensure we pick a course and stick with it, ignoring the white noise (that would be us fans and the dribbling fools who pass as TV/radio commentators). For me, that course would be involve some major changes, and this year.
    It’s too early to give up on the playoff chase, I understand. So we do have the luxury of seeing how things go, at least up to the trade deadline.
    But I feel as strongly about getting rid of the two following players as I did (for years and years) popping the boil on the our collective backside that was Scott Gomez.
    We need to be rid of Andrei Markov and Brian Gionta. Markov is almost a guarantee to be injured at some point and as brilliant as his hockey mind is, he is a step slow out there – and this is magnified with the myriad of games in a compressed schedule. Gionta is a character guy and all that – but he is miscast as a “key” player on a young, emerging team. Certainly not worth his giant contract and/or continued status as captain. Feel free to rail against this notion, but I’m not budging. Great guy, has to go.
    Not only will moving these respected veterans bring us some significant assets back, but, just as importantly, it will alter the leadership dynamic of the team significantly. Players like Subban, Price and Pacioretty will assume that role.
    Clearing off a pair of big contracts (Kaberle will be bought out), also ensures there’s plenty of money moving forward. Since the chances of us landing Perry/Getzlaf are small and there’s squat diddly else in next year’s crop, we must continue to accumulate assets and hope they pan out.
    I remain optimistic about the team’s future, provided it’s the new leadership group taking over as soon as possible.
    To summarize – bid adieu to Markov and Gionta while they still retain some value. That’s big picture, not immediate gratification.
    (And grab me a troglodytic goon for the system while you’re at it).

    • Phil C says:

      You are right that players are under more scrutiny than ever.

      I don’t have a problem trading veterans for good assets, but I don’t buy it that Markov is injury prone. The cut ankle was freak accident. The knee is now properly repaired and he has had a lot of time to rehab it. He is no different than countless other players who have had ACL surgery and have had long careers. He may have lost a step, but I don’t see any reason to think he is injury prone. I just think he needs less of a workload, and we could get many more good years out of Markov.

      • NightRyder says:

        I disagree and think he’ll get hurt again, but even if he turns into an Ironman, I’d move him while he has some value and to alter the leadership dynamic. I’m all for the triple low-five generation, even if I’m older than dirt myself.

    • Timo says:

      Big picture is good and all, but I would like Habs to win now. And kick some ass now. I am so tired of building, and re-building for the future. When is the future is going to become “now”?

      I want Habs to win the cup while I still have an ounce of interest for the NHL hockey (which probably won’t last whole lot longer)… And I wanted thme to have some good goons on the team too so that come another games like the one on Saturday (and those will be a plenty) Habs at lease get beaten ONLY on a scoresheet.

      • NightRyder says:

        We all want to win now. For me, the problem has been we’ve been so worried about competing for the eighth playoff spot, no building has actually ever occurred. We have always brought in serviceable players who aren’t stars at the expense of giving a younger player a shot. The upside? With the veterans, you know what you’re getting. The downside? They never get any better. I’d rather watch Galchenyuk and Gallagher etc. get better than watch Gionta or Glen Metropolit or Jeff Halpern etc. etc. plug away and stunt all future development.
        And I’m always up for a thug. Not to play or even try to play. Just for the sole purpose of laying out a few beatings. It goes a long way.

      • boing007 says:

        Right on, Timo. Twenty years is a long time between cups. To quote that inimitable purveyor of mots juste, Michel Therrien, “it’s unacceptable”.

        Richard R
        Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

    • Sportfan says:

      I agree with you on the first part unfortunately we put every game under the microscope and that the great hab players all had slumps and weren’t perfect everytime and funny enough I bet the same reaction happened back then, the only difference is there are way more ways to communicate our displeasure and pleasure depending on how well the team does.

      http://nickolaisblog.wordpress.com/

  70. Habby67 says:

    When we are outta the playoff picture, trade some of these commodities (please dont mock me lol) to clear more cap space. One game is one game, but in this case a huge embarrassment that they will most likely not learn one ounce of info from. I have seen this many a time, talk is cheap…..

  71. Twillingater says:

    Good night Habs Land. I have to think of some retorts for tomorrow.

    \”Winning is habit. Unfortunately, so is losing\”

  72. the Octopus says:

    I for one think that Clowe is available, he has no goals so far, leads the team in PIMS and is a minus.

    The Sharks are in a slump right now (much like ours) and could use a change of cast.

    Clowe would solve a lot of our problems, size, scoring, toughness, character, leadership, you name it he’s got it.

    He would be a huge upgrade on DD, Cole, or (it pains me to say it) Gio.

    The only problem is that he is 30, but I could see him playing at this level into his mid 30’s, he actually reminds me most of Gary Roberts.

    get it done MB, we would be that much better, and the Gallys will be safer.

    • Loonie says:

      Gary Roberts, one of the fastest and hardest working players in his era reminds you of Ryan Clowe?

      I agree that Clowe would be a welcome addition but I wouldn’t be comparing him to a speedster any time soon. I think he’s more skilled and mean version of Zubrus.

      • the Octopus says:

        I was referring to Roberts when he was playing for the Leafs in the early 00’s. The speed wasn’t there anymore, but he was still mean as a junkyard dog and a good fighter who could score.

      • NightRyder says:

        We need to develop our own Clowe, not give up assets for a player that would be much better if we were a true contender.

        • Loonie says:

          I agree with that.

          • Whatever says:

            Clowe is also a UFA this summer.

            Better to try and sign him than trade for him. But I’d like to draft some bigger forwards that can become a Clowe or Chris Stewart.
            Just cause Terry Ryan didn’t turn out 20 years ago doesn’t mean we can never draft another potential power forward with some edge to him.

        • boing007 says:

          Yeah? Where is this Clowe clone in the making playing in the Habs organization at this date and time?

          Richard R
          Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

    • Just a Habs Fan says:

      Hardly a slump at 7-2-2 and one point out of second.

  73. Twillingater says:

    Man ole man, it will be a long day @ work tomorrow. I will have to hear about the loss Sat night a hundred times!

    \”Winning is habit. Unfortunately, so is losing\”

  74. Habby67 says:

    Prepare for thy beating as the Bolts have just lost their 3rd game in a row. 5-1 Bolts, why? Cause we can’t rebound if our lives depended on it.

    • Twillingater says:

      We will prevail

      \”Winning is habit. Unfortunately, so is losing\”

    • B says:

      That’s 4 losses in a row for Tampa now. Stuff happens, to all teams.

      I noticed Boucher lost it and mouthed off at the ref after a penalty call Thursday. He got a penalty putting Tampa 2 men short. Jersey scored twice on the PP and Tampa lost the game. Imagine that.

      –Go Habs Go!–


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