The Gazette’s Pat Hickey reports that if a new collective bargaining agreement results in a $60-million salary cap for the 2013-14 season, the Bob Gainey-Pierre Gauthier era could come back to haunt the Habs and new general manager Marc Bergevin.
Hickey notes that the Canadiens already have contracts for next season with 16 players with a salary-cap hit of $60.1 million. The Canadiens’ situation is made more challenging when you consider that filling out the roster involves more than finding cap room to sign an assortment of minimum-wage players.
Among the players who are not signed for 2013-14 are current restricted free agent P.K. Subban and top-six forward David Desharnais. There’s also a good possibility Bergevin will require a spare million to sign Alex Galchenyuk to an entry-level deal.
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The Canadian Press reports that the NHL and NHLPA plan to meet Monday for the first formal face-to-face collective bargaining session between the two sides since talks broke down on Dec. 6. The league and NHLPA exchanged more information Sunday on the latest offer from the owners before the union left to meet internally.
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In his Monday Morning QB column, Jack Todd writes: “So Bill Daly’s ‘the hill we will die on’ was really ‘the molehill where we’ll take a nice little nap.’”
Todd adds: “Surprise, surprise: it appears that Daly was exaggerating just a tad. From the beginning of this little exercise in league-directed madness, the apocalyptic rhetoric emanating from the owners’ side provided enough hot air to propel the Hindenburg across the Atlantic.”
You can read Todd’s column by clicking here.
Meanwhile, Dave Stubbs looks back on some New Year’s Eve memories involving former Soviet goalie Vladislav Tretiak, noting that 30 years ago Monday night at the Forum a touring all-star team of Soviets completed a perfect two-night swing through this province, blanking the Canadiens 5-0 only 24 hours after having beaten the Quebec Nordiques 3-0 at Le Colisée. Seven years earlier, to the night, the Canadiens and Red Army had skated to a 3-3 tie in what often is described as the greatest game ever played.
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Wow can you say 1st overall Jonathan Drouin. He has looked way better then MaKinnon or Jones.
Seth Jones is still going to be a beast on the blueline for someone. Dmen take longer to develop as we all know. Drouin or MacKinnon is the sexier pick (I hope you know what I mean), but whoever gets Jones has a Dmen who will become a Pronger/Chara type potential gamechanger at the backend. A very safe pick, safer than MacKinnon I think.
I actually think Mackinnon has done a decent job at playing physical and defensive hockey.(until the penalties today) This tournament has not hurt him I don’t think.
Nice rush by Riley, Toronto may have a good one there.
Is today Halloween in Russia?
I was thinking national Village People Day.
LOL, I think you nailed it.
Is it just me or does Grigorenko seem invisible?
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McKinnon’s going to end up with his ass nailed to the bench if he keeps this up.
Touchy call, but MacKinnon needs to keep stick down there.
Canada has dominated the 1st half of the game. Have to be careful cuz those sneaky Russians can score in big time bunches.
Been a long time since Canada had this depth of skill at forward position. For so long Canada’s strength has been on D and in net. Great to see the team showing some offensive flair!
The OHL is oozing with talenet as is displayed on team Canada and throughout the tournament. In saying that, this is the strongest QMJHL presence on Team Canada is quite a while, good to see!
The irony is that all these kids getting extra time in Junior or AHL is going to help them take jobs from the players currently on strike.
Edit: sorry meant locked out.
Nug….LOL
Drouin! Sneaky stuff, surprised he scored on that.
yipppeeee Drouin….
Ahhh the sweet hands of Drouin. Nicely done.
Way to go Kid!
Drouin has talent, wow what a goalscorers goal!!!!
Go Canada Go…Spengler Cup champs!! And now on to the Juniors…what an exciting game…Subban looks solid!! I am so hyped…
Great play by Jenner – love it when we kill penalties behind the other teams net.
Mackinnon has to get that shot on net!
squeezing his stick a little tight with the limited ice time. That is a shot he rarely misses. Now he is probably on the bench for a bit with that penalty.
@@Burly. Coffee , Cognac and Cohibas. That’s how ya Roll for morning games Amigo!
Fine, let’s wet the damn whistle!
Frontenac, I like the cut of your jib bud! Enjoy the game Amigo!
You’d have to imagine the Bruins and Habs rivalry will be as exciting as ever a couple years down the road when Galchenyuk, M. Subban, Tinordi and Hamilton join the action.
Okay, coffeed out, time to switch to the good stuff.
Canada caught a real break on that penalty call. Certainly makes up for all the controversy with Jenner and Lipon.
Subban didn’t stand a chance on the Russian goal.
Good first. Time to come up for a some O2.
What a great game. Best of the Tournament so far.
Hold your head up high,Schiefele. He’s been a work horse all tournament. Just keep going and get that one back…
Big loss for Russia with #15 out. He’s been their best player. This guy has to go top 5 at the Entry Draft this year.
Even though that goal went in I think Subban is zoned in real good. And man, the talent on the ice is disgusting.
Gut check time. That was brutal
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Brutal giveaway by Schieffle, just like that from hero to goat in no time. Love this hockey!
Game on.
The fans sound a little miffed.
Where is Boone with a Live Blog for this game!!!!
Canada will need to be disciplined, got lucky there that Ritchie wasn’t seen with high stick.
2-0
Woohoo! Costly penalty for Russia. Keep it up boys.
2-0 CANADA WOOOOOOOOOOO
2-0 Canada!!!!
Scheiffle has great hands, looks like Hawerchuk picked a beauty for the Jets. Go Canada Go!!!!
Woooooo!!!!
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Dougie Hamilton ! 1-0 Canada!
ROCKET by Dougie Hamilton! Man the Bruins got it good..
What a Rocket. Wow.
Good thing Brian Burke traded that pick to Boston eh? Fricking Burke!
Oh ya, Burkie overpaid by a landslide. Could go down in history as one of the worst all time trades. Then again giving away McDonaugh (sp) for Gomez and his 7.25 million dollar cap hit is pretty pathetic too.
Yes!
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The power play is looking a little more effective than it has recently.
Big call, not sure I agree with it. Seemed to me Wotherspoon kind of waited with the puck for awhile in a vulnerable position.
Agreed. I thought 2 would be good.
Scores!! On the power-play for once. Great stuff!
At least the IIHF officials are consistent, just kicked a Russian out of the game for a check from behind.
Agree they are consistent. Was vital for Canada to score that pp goal. If Russia kills that penalty big momentum swing for them.
Looks like everyone ate their wheaties this morning – both teams flying.
Good start indeed!
A bone crusher from Jenner or Camara on Yakupov would really get it going!
@ Robert L:
Saw your posts below about the Habs’ beginnings back in 1909…Thought you might find these articles interesting from the Gazette back then. (from Dec.4th and 6th, 1909)
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=pesiAAAAIBAJ&sjid=In8FAAAAIBAJ&pg=6710%2C3286464
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=pusiAAAAIBAJ&sjid=In8FAAAAIBAJ&pg=6741%2C3425786
At the time there were complaints that there would be too much hockey in Montreal. (60 available dates with 47 games to be played including Senior hockey)
The new season was set to start on December 30th and end in March…..
Drouin on the top line for today’s game. Not sure about changing up the line heading in to must win games but I am not surprised to see this kid moving up the line chart. He is getting stronger and more confident every game. Expect some magic today from him today with RNH.
Our friend Ed Lopaz said awhile ago that all this Drouin kid does is rise to the top at every level. He seems to have that “it” factor. Love watching Drouin, just another example of the great scouts we have here at HI/O!
Yup, he was right on. With MacKinnon being the home town kid with all the hype I was shocked early in the year to find myself more excited to see Drouin. With each game me and my buddies have asked each other is he better than Mackinnon. Mackinnon has been amazing but in my opinion Drouin has the best puck skills I have ever seen.
Jenner and Lipon back from suspension too. Should be fun with a full lineup for a change.
Kid can stick handle, he has great hands.
Despite all the criticism on Gally he’s 2nd in the entire tournament in scoring with 7 points in 4 games. Just one point behind Hopkins.
I have watched most of the U.S. games and I don’t understand the criticism Gally has gotten. But seems Some Hab fans love to eat there own.
That U.S. team plays a weird style of hockey. It seems like half the players on the team would rather skate out of position than give up the puck to one of his team mates. They’ve got a lot of forwards who like to skate sideways in the neutral zone, and a lot of defencemen who like carry the puck down to the other team’s goal line.
I was down on Galchenyuk during the U.S. game because he was basically invisible for 50 minutes.
But I also stated that reading into player performances at this tournament is perilous. Galchenyuk is almost a lock to be a star in the NHL. I have zero doubt.
But I also had zero doubt that Ryan McDonagh was going to be an awesome defenceman and I was super-angry when we gave him up for Gomez. But so many were okay with that trade based on a less than optimum performance in the WJC. Canadian hockey fans put entirely too much stock on this tournament.
Love to be in Ufa, Russia right now. The stands are empty unless Russia is playing, I would be cabbing between arenas taking in as many games as possible. They must be giving tickets away to the non Russian games.
Me too. I said this the other day but its a shame that outside of Canada this tournament goes unnoticed for the most part. It is a shame because it really is the best hockey we will see during a non Olympic year.
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Agreed. Awesome display of hockey and in it’s purest form.
Europeans, by and large, treat the World Juniors the same way Canadian fans treat the World Championships, which is the big event on the calendar for the rest of the world. And the hockey there is, on the whole, better than the World Juniors.
The difference between the two tournaments is that Canada often wins the WJC, which means we love it. We don’t often win the WC, so we denigrate that tournmanet.
I don’t denigrate the WC because Canada doesn’t win it very often, I just don’t pay it much attention because all the best players are still playing in the NHL playoffs.
If the lockout continues all season I will watch every game because the best players will actually be there for once.
Yet we watch the WJC every year despite the fact that many of the best players for that tournament are also in the NHL.
Look at last year’s tournament. Eligible players that couldn’t go included Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Sean Couturier, Jeff Skinner, Ryan Johansen, Tyler Seguin and Erik Gudbranson, who all would have been locks had they not been in the NHL. That represents about a third of what Team Canada should have been. But there was no reduction of support despite the absence of the stars.
There is no doubt that the World Championships feature a reduced star quality. But with the teams that don’t make the playoffs and the teams that lose in the first round all able to send players to the tournament, Canada still could have chosen from more players from 22 of the 30 NHL players.
Evgeni Malkin went to play for Russia, but teammates Sidney Crosby, Kris Letang, Jordan Staal and James Neal did not join Canada’s roster.
Marc-Edouard Vlasic played for Canada, but his Olympian teammates Joe Thornton and Patrick Marleau took a flier.
Jeff Skinner played, but Eric Staal couldn’t be bothered.
Every year, Canada could sent a near Olympic team in terms of talent to the World Championships, but players can get away with ducking the tournament because Canadians don’t care about it.
And don’t count on the best players going even if the lockout continues. In the 2005 World Championships, Canada got its A-team goalies (Brodeur, Luongo, and Turco) and a few of its good skaters (Jovanovski, Redden, Boyle, Regehr, Phillips, Doan, Gagne, Marleau, Smyth, Thornton, Nash, Heatley and Draper).
But consider the players that didn’t go but found their patriotism in time for the 2006 Olympics: Rob Blake, Scott Niedermayer, Adam Foote, Chris Pronger, Jay Bouwmeester, Bryan McCabe, Todd Bertuzzi, Jarome Iginla, Vincent Lecavalier, Brad Richards, Joe Sakic, and Martin St. Louis.
You will get a better turnout this season. But you still won’t get the best of the best, which is really sad.
The Bulldogs week in review;
http://www.habsworld.net/article.php?id=2963
Thanks Frank. It seems the youngsters are beginning to adapt to the pro game. They’re in Binghampton in March and I see a road trip in my future.
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More funny stuff from our resident comic genius:
http://johnbellyful.weebly.com/
Might be a good idea to avoid drive-thru’s tonight.
http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/blog/eye-on-hockey/21460802/former-nhl-players-arrested-following-incident-at-jack-in-the-box
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Got to know Jomphe in Europe at a few events I covered. I first met him in 1995 in Sweden when he played for team Canada at the World Championships. Too bad, a real nice guy and as occasionally happens booze turns a few guys nasty.
My wife says I get crabby when I’m hungry so I guess I should understand.
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Great 7-2 win for team Canada at the Spengler Cup.
Just noticed on tweeter that victory gave Canada the Spengler Cup for 2012. When was the last time we won it?
I think 2007.
Good morning. Thanks for the updates on the Spengler Cup people.
I have been called out this morning to work, of all mornings! but I will see the Canada Russia game when I get home at 1 pm.
Have a great day watching it, HIO and have a great NEW YEARS EVE everyone. Don’t drive!!!! stay alive!!!
Happy New Year, everyone. A little Stones to end the year with.
http://calsnhllockout2012songparodies.weebly.com/
Happy New Year to you and yours as well Cal. CHeers.
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Back to the Juniors, Sweden leading Finland 3-1 after 1. Outshooting them 26-6!
Collberg with an assist.
Finland coming alive thanks to a couple of Swedish penalties. 3-2 now, Finland with a 2 man advantage for 40 seconds. Swedish goalie making some good saves.
Blondie, is this game televised?
Not that I know of. Watching a stream from livetv dot ru. Finland ties it up!
Thanks. Will check it out.
Brush up on your Russian or Finnish, no English streams.
Edit…for this game, I’m sure there will be an English one for Canada/Russia.
Ya not understanding much of anything lol but the picture quality is great for a live stream. Will be watching Canada game on TSN though my TV is much bigger then my laptop. lol
Don’t have TSN myself so I’ll be going with these guys – as long as I get to see it
In regards to the Salary Cap and roll backs talk earlier. Some of the confusion arises from the NHL and PA using different terminology in describing the same thing;
- players HRR dropping from 57-50% (12.3%) has to be reflected in their salaries and the Salary Cap
- calling it “roll back” or “escrow”, still has the same effect
- just like the fund to help with this lose of salary is called “transitional” by the PA and “make whole” by the NHL
- the decrease of HRR based on last year equals $231 ML a season while the fund above would only cover a third of that for the first 3 years.
I guess we know who the Flyers will use their buyout on.
http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/blog/eye-on-hockey/21474110/ilya-bryzgalov-leaving-khl-team-because-lockout-is-ending
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The NHL CBA offer proposes a change in 2013 draft.
http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/blog/eye-on-hockey/21464625/nhl-lockout-nhl-proposes-draft-lottery-for-all-non-playoff-teams
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Designed to eliminate the “Tank”. Wonder if HH has been notified?
I am sure he was not advised of this. I can hear the protest now. On a positive note, if there is a season and the Habs do in fact miss the playoffs, the team would have a really good shot at getting another really good player.
Happy New Year Frank and Go Canada Go!
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Happy New Year to you too Jim
6-1 to open the 3rd. Spezza.
Gally ends the game a little bummed out but still with 1 goal and 1 assist.
(they ended up giving him the assist on the US 5th goal.)
-1 also, but still had 4 shots.
Canada up 5-1, 5 minutes left in the second against Davos in the Spengler cup.
Gally looks bummed out. lol. Not sure he is too happy to be there right now. His line is brutal. The other lines all lighting it up and his line is just not clicking and getting minimal ice time. He isn’t a happy camper out there…
Good morning jols, you seem kind of lonely here.
8-3 now – is this the big comeback? – lol.
Hey, good to have you on board. US getting through to the medal round, never know what can happen. Slovaks are burnt out.
Switched to the Spengler but it doesn’t seem to be much more competitive than the junior game.
TX, for the heads up, I didn’t realize it was on TSN2. Something to get us from this game to the main event – Canada/Russia.
Yep, looking forward to it, should be a barn burner!
You two be careful. Some of us are lurking.
Morning guys!!
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Good morning Jim.
This is certainly more reasonable than a 4 am start. I only caught the last two seconds of the game yesterday – my buddy didn’t wake me up – ignored his alarm.
Gally not given an assist on the 5th goal even though he clearly created the scoring chance. Maybe they will give it to him between periods.
US come out on fire. 5 goals in the first 12 minutes. Gally should have an assist but you never know with these refs.
Go USA Go – Now normally I would be cheering for the Yanks to self destruct but since our boy Galchenyuk is playing for them, I hope they will win and advance to the medal round. (They really should beat Slovakia with relative ease.)
Just for fun….doing some research on my next book, I discovered a cool little trivial detail. We all know that our Habs were created on December 4, 1909 – what other significant Canadian sporting event occurred on that very same day?
The first Grey Cup game was played :O
My source was wikipedia haha
You’re right my friend!
Kinda cool, isn’t it – two Canadian institutions, born on the exact same day!
That was a pretty cool trivia, I didn’t know Grey Cup was a historical figure like the Habs.
I didn’t know our Habs were created on Dec. 4, 1909, but it is great to learn something new each day – Thanks.
Good to see Galchenyuk and Collberg as a part of the top 10 scorers in the tournament so far. Gally has 5 points in 3 games and Collberg has 4.
ok, so consensus is that Galchenyuk played really bad in the Canada – US game.
I have not seen any Sarnia games but here is what I gathered of Galchenyuk from team USA:
- effective but not outstanding power-play guy
- good one timer
- not physical
- coasts for the most part and rarely engages in board battles
- rarely in traffic
Now I don’t know if this is a case of bad coaching or bad player but EVERYONE agrees that he has been great in Sarnia this season, but what’s with his pay of late??
I will try not to panic…….
for starters, he has 5pts on 10 total goals by Team USA, which isn’t bad at all
Who thought he played really bad? For the most part he was the only US forward generating any offensive opportunities. This is while the team with the best collection of talet keys in on him defensively.
His line mates are a joke. Sean Kuraly has 4 points in 18 NCAA games. 4 points on the year. Being tied for third in scoring while playing with the Sean Kuraly’s of the world is impressive.
Well said Mark. He played fine; missed a couple great chances to tie the game but that happens to everyone now and then.
5 points in 3 games. 3rd in tournament points behind only RNH and Strome who are a full year older. Cut the guy some slack. Lol.
What Mark said. Just imagine what Gally would do on a line with RNH and Strome. He’s doing great considering who he’s playing with.
I have only seen one complete Sarnia game this year plus a lot of highlights but the only item from your list that seems familiar is “good one timer”.
“Et le but!”
Bruins are at 69 million (lol Timo) granted they can dump Savard on LTR which cuts 4 million, Minnesota Wild are at 68Million. These are arguably two of the owners who seem to have Bettmans ear the most.
I can’t see whatever deal reached being a hard 60million cap. It would hurt Bettmans buddies too much.
Everyone is using the 60 million committed figure which is based on the old CBA. Does the new CBA not role back all existing contracts?
Unless I’m understanding it wrong, which is very possible, I don’t think there is any rollback. That’s what the buyout is for, to get teams to the cap with whatever contracts they have now, minus one.
I can’t see that working, and the owners have to know that. I’m hoping that Fehr has a creative solution in mind.
You forgot the roll-back.
Gally has already been signed to an entry level contract and his cap hit is 3.25 million due to performance bonuses.
Has anyone heard if the removal of bonuses counting against the cap might be part of the transitional package?
???????. Mas Tequilla Por Favor!!!!
Been there, done that.
Cutting Gomez loose will go a long way to helping the situation. Otherwise, there are two options. Trade or buyout some players or have Bettman negotiate a 2nd year mid 64-64M cap as a bridge to a permanent 50% revenue split.
The main concern here should be the long term stability of a ten year deal. Applying a few band-aids in the first two years should be no big concern for either side.
Feel better?
I wondered the same thing looking at that. But always dangerous when looking at how a loss is better. But completely understand the point you are making Riga!
I understand exactly what you are saying. Team USA is the last team I want our Canadian boys to play in the semi finals. It would be a great game but a definite nail biter.
Good point Riga!
Gerald – I think you always have to take the bye.
One less game for a ref or a hot goalie to end your tournament. Especially seeing that you are dealing with teenagers here. There is always an element of a crap shoot in these tournaments.
I agree Steve, and always dangerous to look at a loss as okay. But I did understand Riga’s point is all.
I’m confused. When does Russia play the US?
I’m the first one to point out that we have too many rug rats in our system but none with his elite skills, except for Galchenyuk and he is no rug rat. He is Claude Giroux’s size with the same skill set. That wouldn’t look bad in a Habs jersey.
The Noodge !!
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I think Riga’s point is that the match penalty typically carries automatic next game suspension if upheld and a suspension could follow. Not 100% sure though.
I think the 5’11 may be a little generous but like you said it is hard to tell.
Ahhh okay I understand.
I get it now. I was just assuming that Canada was going to beat Russia.
How does one sing “In the Navy” in Russian?
В Военно-морского флота
Courtesy of Google Translate
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Okay, I am struggling with pronunciation, but thanks Prop!!!
If you copy and paste the text to Google translate, I think it’s able to speak it for you.
Phonetically it should sound like this, V voyenno-morskogo flota.
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В военно-морском флоте (strictly based on the given expression without further context)
Conjugation rules in russian are such that even Google can’t get it right most of the time
Colloquially they use В военнy флоте dropping the морском from everyday speech.
Without actually seeing what Yakupov and Nugent-Hopkins can do together? Yakupov is one of the purest goal-scorers out there. He’s a Pavel Bure type. I don’t think Nugent-Hopkins will complain with that kind of winger.
Wow, not drafted eh? A position the Habs have very little depth at, would have been a down right steel in the 7th round. He looks awesome out there. The only reason the game is still close in my opinion. Good on Buffalo for being awake and jumping on him.
Buffalo?? Really? Out of all the teams he chooses the one that has Miller and Enroth on it.
I doubt he was the one doing the “choosing”
Good point lol, but I thought he’d choose a team where he’d have more opportunities if there was a race to sign him.
Miller is one Bruins game away from calling it quits anyway.
lol -take one for the team.
Really? Maybe the cops should start checking his computer hard drives…
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Oh that brings back a bad memory of Jim Peplinski once saying on HNIC about how big and good Roberts I think looked in the dressing room.
Sure. Why keep a good developing into great Dman? Better to have another Weber or Diaz.
Yah, I have dipped into the Stella i was saving for tonight. Looks like I am making another trip to beer store after this is over.
You and Riga make me proud!
CHeers gentleman.
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10-4 in the third period. That’s how you nail down the win!
CHeers Riga! Have a good night tonight.
Morning Jim! How ya doing Chief?
Once Boston places Savard on LTIR, Boston and Montreal will have almost identical cap numbers.
Very well brother Gerald. Hope all is well with you bud.
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LOL. Funny story. Talk about a sure thing blowing up.
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I’m not interested anymore on what Gary Buttman’s reaction to the counter. Why? b/c its pretty obvious what is going to happen next – An official announcement of a cancelled NHL season.
Yeah that’s exactly what he does. In fact it’s why the owners pay him 8 million dollars a year, because he negotiates like a 6 year old child.
Maybe stop taking sides in this mess and look at it objectively for a minute. Both sides have lied, both sides have slandered the other, both sides are guilty of stall tactics. To continue claiming that Bettman is the only problem is just false.
200 page rebuttal. Happy reading.
Mr. Biter
No Guts No Glory
That is true but I think Plekanec between Pacioretty and Cole could be just as good. Right place at the right time for Desharnais last year while Plekanec was in a tough spot on the second line.
Plus Plekanec’s faceoffs, penalty killing and scoring touch is better than Desharnais, I believe.
Kane’s talent is undeniable. Not sure about him making a large difference in the toughness department though? He looks like he’s going to be a star for the next decade. If The Jets would make that deal, which I don’t think they would, I’d be all for it.
I’d be looking for Plekanec and either Tinordi, Gallagher or Beaulieu for Kane if I were the Jets. Probably more than Gallagher.
I am sure leaders like Gomez will set him straight. Speaking of which… where is Gomer as our #1 center?
It was a late night New Year’s Eve game. It was late night in Ufa, Russia.
Go Habs Go!
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