11th not good enough


Red Fisher says the Canadiens have underachieved this season. Eleventh place is “not where the Canadiens wanted to be awaiting a six-game road trip following Saturday’s game against New Jersey.”

• Pat Hickey on Erik Cole

Dave Stubbs on Max-Pac and his foundation

Mike Boone on the salary cap

Stu Cowan on Habs World Junior prospects

Marc Antoine Godin on Bell Centre booing

Milbury off HNIC after incident with young player

And a must-read piece by Ken Dryden on concussions


  1. barrieboy1 says:

    Let me add a name into the hat. Remember Bob Hartley? Coached with passion in Atlanta (not easy to do) and always liked the fire he showed when he was on antichambre. Sure he’d be willing to leave Europe behind for a spot behind the Habs bench. Oh, and did I mention he’s bilingual?

  2. PeterD says:

    Merry Christmas Habs fans..wirh J. Marton gone hopefully we will see what this team can do.
    Maybe Leblanc will get a regular shift.
    And with that nuckle dragging neanderthal Milbury off CBC is a true gift this Christmass..now if only they would get rid of Cherry and Stock it would be a true Merry Christmas for all.

    • AceMagnum says:

      I was working at front desk security at CBC last year. Milbury was a first class jerk to us. Although Stock and Hrudey were very friendly, and Don Cherry would always bring us pizza. I’m actually not joking.

      To this day I have no clue how MacLean would get into the building.

      Also, Rick Mercer tried to have sex with me at the New Year eve party.

      “Horton Hears a Boo”
      -Mike Boone April 2011

  3. HabsFanInSaintJohn says:

    Finally!!! Im excited again…lets hope Randy lights a fire under their a22es tonight!! GO HABS GO!!!

  4. habsolutely416 says:

    JM fired. wow i feel like opening a beer. its 1030am. not too early , is it?

    ill be in the slot 😉

  5. habsolutely416 says:

    wow finally. i was beginning to think this guy was immortal. hopefully the team responds to the/a new coach.


    pun intended ……? lol

    ill be in the slot 😉

  6. HabsFanMTL says:

    larry carriere is assistant coach

  7. Chrisadiens says:

    What a great day to see the game! JM is gone. Im hoping to see a energetic Habs team. Now my father doesn’t have to jump over the boards and hurt JM. Whoo hoo!

    Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

  8. HabsFanMTL says:

    yeah but by waiting till the end of the season ur saying this season is over with

  9. HabsFanMTL says:

    why not get a coach now , why wait till end of the season????

  10. 44har48 says:

    What a great day folks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • longbow says:

      Best Christmas present I ever got !!!

      “A constant smirk upon the face, and a whiffing activity of the body, are strong indications of futility.” Lord Chesterfield

  11. Malreg says:

    CanadiensMTL Montreal Canadiens
    Randy Cunneyworth is named interim head coach of the Montreal Canadiens until the end of the season

  12. The Cat says:

    The Milbury incident is obviously someone looking for an easy payday.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

    • 44har48 says:

      There were a lot of witnesses, so the truth should eventually come out in the wash…

    • DorvalTony says:

      Mary’s not right and this is just the latest example.

    • Jim Edson says:

      Wait until the video evidence is shown in court!

      Police said they have video so we’ll see whose selective memory is more accurate!

      What does the Commissioner of the NHL do?

      In short, a league commissioner is the action man for the Board of Governors.

      They tell him what they want done and he works to make it happen through his subordinates while making sure that individual franchises play by the rules.

      ******** Translated if you haven’t won the Stanley Cup in 40 years your NHL team is becoming irrelevant in a sports mad city long behind MLB, NFL and NBA teams, you just tell the commissioner(who you gave a new contract at 7 plus million per) to make it happen and the rules are bent sufficiently to action the command.

  13. longbow says:

    Woohoo !!! JM out ! It’s about time. Who takes his place ?

    “A constant smirk upon the face, and a whiffing activity of the body, are strong indications of futility.” Lord Chesterfield

  14. Malreg says:

    Martin has been fired.

    As per Stubbs on twitter

  15. Ian Cobb says:

    After tonight, JM and his Canadiens will play Santa Claus around the league, until New Years eve.
    Dropping off points to 6 more teams. Just how many we bring home is anyone’s guess!

  16. likehoy says:

    as much as I hope to get rid of Michael Cammalleri before the end of season.. it’s highly unlikely

    Pierre Gauthier made his deal (to get Kaberle) so that’s basically all he’s going to do. He’s going to wait till his injuries come back and hope the full team is as good as he hopes it will be.

    if the habs do go on a couple of losing streaks, find themselves out by the trade deadline.. he might be able to be a seller, if he chooses to be, which is where Michael Cammalleri would be put into play.

    otherwise, there’s not a chance to seeing this former-sniper in a different jersey till maybe next year.

    if we manage to put it together, put in a few winning streaks.. (god forbid cammalleri scores a few goals).. Pierre Gauthier might go out and get us a 4th liner or two to toughen up for the playoffs.

    I wouldn’t want to be going into the playoffs with louis Leblanc and darche being on our 4th line.

    – If the NHL was the Wizard of Oz, Cammalleri would be the Cowardly Lion.

    • 44har48 says:

      I am frustrated with his output too, but…when you are an offensive player and you are told beyond everything else, to concentrate on Defence and chase the other team all night with the puck, you won’t score a lot of goals. Cammallari is not the only offensively gifted talent that never had a problem scoring anywhere else and couldn’t scorea lick in Montreal over the years. Why or why do we think that might be?? Especially today with this coach…

  17. habsfan reduxit says:

    Dear Mr. E. Cole,

    … the last time I had an opportunity to buy a ticket and enjoy a game at ‘the Bell’, I paid a little over $75 so I could sit in the binocular section.

    … it’s my strong belief I should have the absolute right to boo lustily over a truly awful power play for that kind of outlay.

    “Whenever you have the puck, and don’t know what to do with it, put it in the net.” – Toe Blake

    • 44har48 says:

      I personally do not boo at games, but I do not hold it against those that do…the ticket prices are atrocious and we could talk for hours on “why” watching the habs right now sucks, but the truth is, for those prices, the fans should be able to let any of these professionals know when they suck. Refs and players included. When the language gets vulger, or lines are crossed, its time for security to step in, but boooing, please, do you job better, like we paid you to, and you won’t have to hear it. It’s also part of being a “pro”.

      • The Cat says:

        The price of the ticket is immaterial, a fan isnt obligated to go. If a fan doesnt like the product, not going will get the point across better.

        [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  18. habsfan reduxit says:

    … if Markov is the great defenceman they say he is, and I have no doubt it’s true, and if the team is paying him a lot more money than I’m getting through my CPP and OAP, and if he still can’t play the game, would it be too much to ask that he at least stand behind the bench during games and impart a lot of his knowledge to the defencemen who are playing, especially Mr. Emelin?

    “Whenever you have the puck, and don’t know what to do with it, put it in the net.” – Toe Blake

    • kempie says:

      That is so weird. Honest truth: I had a dream last night that Mr. Emelin was now watching the games from behind the bench, wearing a suit, Komisarek style.

  19. 44har48 says:

    Nah nah nah nah, nah nah nah nah, hey, hey, hey, good by! Milbury’s true colors are coming out! Good riddens and when Cherry retires, all the better. I might even watch CBC again when Cherry and Cole retire now that this idiot is gone. It’s beginning to look a lot like Christmas 🙂 …if only we could kick this coach or ours to the curb…

  20. Ian Cobb says:

    11th not good enough, as well Bettman not good enough!

    Read this article about

    Ken Dryden on concussions. The link is above!

  21. JohnBellyful says:

    There are songs that inspire (“Battle Hymn of the Republic), arouse patriotic feelings (“O Canada”) and cost hockey teams games (“Olé Olé Olé”). The Montreal Canadiens need a fighting song, one that leads them into battle fully charged.
    Picture this, the team are huddled around Jacques Martin [Edit: Randy Cunneyworth] while he delivers another of his rousing pre-game speeches – and then he breaks into song and leads them out of the dressing room. As he takes up his spot behind the bench, the players step onto the ice and are greeted by the full-throated roar of thousands of fans joining Jacques [Edit: Randy] in song. I get all goose pimply thinking about it. Have a listen:


    Give me some men who are stout-hearted men,
    Who can hit, show some grit, and can score
    Bless me with nine who will fill out three lines
    And we’ll rack up the wins all the more

    O shoulder to shoulder, both younger and older
    They’ll bond as they go to the fore
    Then there’s nothing in the world can halt my wondrous plan
    When stout-hearted men learn how to cover man to man

    You who have dreams, if you act they will come true,
    If you blank our foes and score a goal or two
    If you have the soul and the spirit
    Never fear it, it’ll help you through
    Let me inspire, other hearts with desire
    For the strong obey when a strong man shows them the way

    Give me some men less than five-foot-and-ten
    Who will play like they’re six-feet-and-four
    Start me with nine with a touch ‘round the twine
    And we’ll rack up the wins all the more
    Then there’s nothing in the world can keep us from the prize
    When stout-hearted men can stick it to the other guys

    — “A little song, a little dance, a little Hammerstein down your pants.” —

  22. JayBee says:

    Every year, fighting for 8th place. Every frigging year. There’s no damn progress. I hate it!

    • CanadienBoy says:

      Valdimir Poutine (GM) is the reason

      • JayBee says:

        I know…I know.

        I’m just tired of all of this. I don’t even care anymore. If the ownership doesn’t, then why should I? The ineptitude is baffling.

        We’ve been spinning our wheels for how long, doing the same crap? Why not do something out of the ordinary? (like hiring Kirk Muller as coach or an English speaking GM with credibility)

        If Gauthier and JM are canned, I don’t think we’re out of the woods. Hate to say it but Gainey needs to go too. He still has too much influence.

  23. likehoy says:

    I know JG gets a lot of love here but if he wants to be paid more than 3.25 million per year, he can take his demands somewhere else.

    Boone is saying 3.5m is lowballing JG, but to me that’s the most he should be paid.

    some comparisons are dennis seiddenberg, 3.25m/yr and rob scuderi for 3.4m/yr

    seiddenberg is better offensively than JG, and scuderi is as good as JG defensively, and slightly worse offensively.

    if we dare pay JG 4m/yr, we’re making a Gob-esque huge mistake.

    – If the NHL was the Wizard of Oz, Cammalleri would be the Cowardly Lion.

    • 24 Cups says:

      I agree. However, new contracts are all about leverage. Let’s look at the cards that Gorges is presently holding.

      – the Habs best Dman hasn’t played in three years. Even if he returns, there will be lots of doubts about his health and playing ability.

      – Hal Gill is near the end of his career. Maybe a final one year deal but that’s it.

      – Kaberle has two years left but is strictly a one dimensional player.

      – Weber, Diaz, Emelin and Beaulieu are raw rookies. Lots of potential but they are going to need time and guidance.

      – there’s not a lot of extra cap space to go out and grab another Dman to beef up the line-up. And if there was, wouldn’t you spend it on the guy who is already here?

      • likehoy says:

        it’s usually the other way around. If the guy wants to stay, he should take a paycut!

        a good example of this is Mike Komisarek.. he wanted more money, he got more money in Toronto, and now he’s half the player he was in Montreal.

        – If the NHL was the Wizard of Oz, Cammalleri would be the Cowardly Lion.

    • habsolutely416 says:

      wouldnt be surprised if JG or subban is gone by next year..both are good friends with carey so the habs should be careful.

      ill be in the slot 😉

  24. Habfan10912 says:

    R U kidding me? Habs draw Lee again for tonight contest.

  25. HabinBurlington says:

    Concussions/Injuries – When exactly did “Finish your Check” become acceptable? Isn’t this where so many hits that hurt players occur? I fail to understand why this has become acceptable. It is clear in the rules that bodychecking is permitted to seperate a player from the puck.

    Seems rather simple to me, start enforcing the rules, hitting a player after the puck is already seperated from the player results in interference etc…

    In watching 60’s 70’s hockey, very little hitting of the player after the puck has moved on. Yah they had some mild rubs after due to momentum, but compared to today’s game it is night and day.

    Add in the speed, size and Gladiator armour no wonder brains are scrambled every game in today’s hockey.

    • Clay says:

      A bigger ice surface would help as well, along with a change in equipment to softer pads that can’t be used as weapons.

      “Talent is a gift from God, but you only succeed with hard work. Yvan was proof of that.” – Jean Beliveau.

      • punkster says:

        All those things would help and should be acted on however the easiest, cheapest and quickest to implement is intelligent and firm application of the existing rules.

        NHL and intelligence. Therein lies the problem.

        ***Subbang Baby!!!***

  26. malmn says:

    The booing is definitely a problem. It’s been a problem for a while. Actually it’s sad to see that the fans, led by the media, believe that getting angry, being impatient, and acting all hard is the road to the cup. Stupid, stupid fans. The fans are part of the problem, if not the problem, in Montreal.

    GO HABS GO!!!

    • Castor says:

      What people don’t seem to understand is that people aren’t really booing the players most of the time. I’d never actually boo a player..
      Much like when Price was being booed. It wasn’t him, it was booing the Halak trade. Booing Gauthier…
      Now it’s booing Jacques Martin. The fans want a change.

      • malmn says:

        Whatever the reason, the booing is stupid and COUNTERPRODUCTIVE! Since when is it good to kick people when the are down? Only in Montreal. Dumb, dumb, dumb. You know, people might not like some of the management and coaching decisions but they are working hard and trying their best. It’s totally ignorant, rude, and disrespectful to bash and trash people that care about wins, the team and the fans.

        GO HABS GO!!!

        • Clay says:

          You must not watch a lot of hockey, because booing happens in every city when their team is playing like sh*t.

          “Talent is a gift from God, but you only succeed with hard work. Yvan was proof of that.” – Jean Beliveau.

          • malmn says:

            OK smart guy. Keep booing. Knock yourself out. Let’s see where that takes you and the team.

            GO HABS GO!!!

      • awesomerino says:

        I strongly agree with Castor. The fans, by and large, like this collection of players – certainly the young core. We can see the potential there. The problem is management and coaching. But when ownership extends a baffling vote of confidence in what everyone else sees as ineptitude, it leaves fans with little recourse other than to express their dissatisfaction vocally.

        As much as the team overpaid for Gomez, Cammalleri, and Gionta in 2009, few could have predicted the wheels would fall off of all three so quickly. I’d argue that Gionta is still clutch, and if he made $2M less per season, no one would have any problems with him whatsoever, but at this point, he’s at best a 45 point player. And incredibly, he’s the best of the Big 3. It seems we’ve already seen the best we’ll ever see out of Gomez and, sadly, Cammalleri. Regardless of how it looks to the rest of the league, the fact remains that with the young core we have in place, a more competent GM could do a lot with an extra $18M in salary. And more competent coach could get a lot more out of the considerable talent we do have. JM can talk all he wants about what a great shutdown defenseman PK is turning into, but the fact remains that Martin is worst thing to happen to young black talent since Jim Crow.

        But when Molson comes out and says he has the utmost faith in PG, JM, and (astoundingly) Gomez, fans are hard-pressed to feel that any kind of real progress is imminent. Rather, we’re resigned to feeling of profound helpless as we watch our team wallow in the mediocrity that’s enveloped it for almost two decades now. So we’re left to register our dissent in the only way we can: braying like a bunch of goddamned cattle.

        • habstrinifan says:

          RIGHT ON!

          • Castor says:

            Every day I wake up, check online and hope that Jacques Martin has been replaced or, at least, that he had a press conference saying he realizes that his system and his hatred of anything outside the box of his system does not work for this team and he’s reevaluated his coaching style…

            Of course then I realize it’s business as usual and I think “What’s the point of cheering for the team that never changes and accepts mediocrity”

            It’s really really hard because, honestly, it’s life changing.
            I’ve gone from watching every moment of every game to having it on in the background or checking updates on Twitter.

            I still care, of course, but if nothing every changes why should I give them my heart like I used to?

        • CanadienBoy says:

          Very true but what ‘s with Cammy 6 mil a year better trade him at the dead line or we’re stuck

        • malmn says:

          ” The fans, by and large, like this collection of players – certainly the young core. We can see the potential there. The problem is management and coaching”

          WTF? It’s the management that acquired the players that you like, but you don’t like management. Makes no sense.

          Too many of you fans are expecting perfection (please, don’t tell me you’re not. I’m not going to buy it) which sets you all up for the irrational negative emotions you are living.

          GO HABS GO!!!

          • awesomerino says:

            Oh, well if a complete stranger isn’t going to buy it, I wouldn’t dare say anything to contradict his incoherent ramblings!

            Yes, management acquired the young talent I like so much. They also acquired the ageing mediocrity impeding their development and wasting valuable cap space.

            Being of a nuanced mind and capable of appreciating the positive while simultaneously bemoaning the negatives, with the former being vastly outweighed by the latter, I feel perfectly comfortable with my statement, and wish nothing more than for your tiny little black-and-white brain to find some miraculous way to expand its cognitive functions so as to do the same.

            But in the meantime, best of luck with what seems to be a clear struggle to appreciate any kind of gray areas, both in hockey and in life.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Steve, given how quickly the prognosis has been made for him to shut it down, you have to wonder how long he was playing with concussion symptoms but felt he was good enough to play.

      I feel bad for Pronger, but I also feel bad for many players who received many a cheapshot from this guy.

      I have nothing against physical hockey, but I think Violent is a better descriptor of todays game rather than physical.

      • 24 Cups says:

        Gerald – As Ken Dryden stated, the real issue isn’t concussions or how the game is played, it’s more a case of how you change the mindset of the traditionalists who oversee the game. Stages 3 and 4 can’t come fast enough in my eyes.

        I also believe this article was written before the Pronger news came out.

        Speaking of Pronger, Ed Snider is a very powerful man in the NHL. You can bet that when the time comes, he will be pushing for an unlimited window of buyouts for contracts so that Philly can gain back Pronger’s cap space. If that happens, Mr. Gauthier is going to have to seriously think about dumping the Gomez and Markov contracts (assuming Markov still can’t play).

    • Clay says:

      I really dislike Pronger both as a player and a person, but I don’t wish that on anyone. I hope he regains his faculties.

      “Talent is a gift from God, but you only succeed with hard work. Yvan was proof of that.” – Jean Beliveau.

  27. Thomas Le Fan says:

    Dryden is a long winded son of a gun but what exactly is he saying? Freaking politicians. The only conclusion I can draw on his not waiting for proof (sort of like Kyoto Ken?) is that contact in hockey should be abolished. Maybe he’s right. NBC league. The problem is … I don’t want to watch that game. That game is soccer on ice and he can have it.
    My solution is to reduce the armour players are wearing, identify headhunting and headhunters and penalize deliberate intent to injure as severely as possible. Injure a player with intent and you sit out as long as he does and THEN you serve your suspension. Oh and you have to spend that time listening to Dryden drone.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Your solutions are no more empirically valid than Dryden’s.

      And I would rather listen to Ken Dryden ‘drone’ than you being brief.

      • Thomas Le Fan says:

        That, sir, is your right. So I’ve got a clue for you. Don’t. By the way, can you please elucidate these solutions you mention, for the benefit of all, because I sure didn’t read any. Of course, maybe I fell asleep before … zzzzzzz.

        By the way, been a Hab’s fan since 1957 so (tongue out) there.

  28. habstrinifan says:

    Good Morning fellow HIO folks.

    Our word for today is DESULTORY…. meaning having no plan or enthusiasm.

    The GM took a desultory approach to incisively analysing his team’s assets and therefore used the off season to make only one real improvement…albeit a great one.

    The COACH tok a desultory approach to defining long term and a goal-oriented path to success and therefore goes from game to game protecting against losing and has developed no genuine knowledge of the hockey skills nor the true temparament of his players. He does not know them so he cannot challenge them to any level beyond average.

    The team has now become desultory and uninspired collectively in its approach to games. There is no leader and so they resort to a-meeting-a-day to achieve consensus on how to play, rather too much like functionaries than olympians.

    The ownership is desultory.

    The fans have become desultory. The only question now is whether this is just a sad chapter or permanent decay has set in.

    The Canadiens have always thrived on the PASSION for their game from the hockey world. We are not the LEAFS who can and have survived on the kind of well-heeled “lampathy’ discovered at the University of Wales.

    A canadiens team that does not inspire passion quickly becomes irrelevant.

  29. HabinBurlington says:

    In reading Stu Cowen describe Beaulieu and tell us he used to play forward, I am immediately frightened that we have a coach who may think this guy could help our 4th line.

  30. secretdragonfly says:

    A touching story on how the town of Yaroslavl is coping in the aftermath of the Lokomotiv tragedy


  31. habsfan1001 says:

    Ashame about Milbury, I will miss him. NOT

  32. Castor says:

    Do we have a new coach yet?

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