1993 Stanley Cup flashback: Kings beat Habs in Game 1

Saturday marks the 20th anniversary of Game 1 of the 1993 Stanley Cup final between the Canadiens and Los Angeles Kings.

Over the next week and a half we will let you relive that series by re-publishing articles/columns that appeared in The Gazette in 1993 by Red Fisher and Michael Farber, who were covering the final.

Here’s a look back at Game 1, which the Kings won 4-1 in Montreal:

(Photo by Denis Brodeur/NHLI via Getty Images)

Habs ‘brutal’ in loss to Kings



J.J. Daigneault was talking about ‘hurt’. Or, more precisely, the lack of it.

“It’s got to hurt more in this room,” he sighed with a trace of bitterness in the minutes after this 4-1 wipeout. “It’s got to hurt a lot more.”

What he was really saying about this Stanley Cup embarrassment is that for one reason or another too many of his associates missed the team bus.

“Brutal,” said Kirk Muller. “They beat us at our own game. They were better in their own end than we were in ours’.”

It’s an accurate assessment of whatever it was that went on in the start of this best-of-seven Stanley Cup final – all of which takes nothing away from the excellence the Kings. They were splendid as a team only three days after disposing of the Toronto Maple Leafs in their seven-game Campbell Conference final.

Put it this way: the Kings won by three on two goals by Luc Robitaille, who had nine of his team’s 38 shots, and others by Jari Kurri and Wayne Gretzky. They were better than their three-goal margin, which included Gretzky’s empty-net goal. Much better.

This much:

Ed Ronan was credited with the Canadiens’ goal – only because Gretzky deflected the puck beyond Kelly Hrudey. Gretzky, however, more than made up for his gaffe by assisting on the three remaining Los Angeles goals.

This wasn’t merely a matter of one team finding a little more in the tank than the opposition. The reality is that except for the first half-dozen minutes of the second period, the Canadiens weren’t in the Kings’ class.

At least 50 minutes of this wipeout belonged to the Kings, and the little the Canadiens brought to the arena was handled easily by Hrudey.

The Canadiens, it’s safe to say , were fortunate to come out of the first period with a tie, despite the 11 shots by each team. What’s also certain is that at least part of their problems were self-inflicted.

Example: teams armed with the luxury of an eight-day rest should skate miles to avoid providing the opposition with a power-play advantage fewer than three minutes into the game – particularly a team with the explosive potential of the Kings. In this case, the only skating was by Lyle Odelein – directly to the penalty box for holding.

Twenty-one seconds later, Robitaille slipped one beyond Patrick Roy with a shot from behind the goal-line. The puck struck Roy’s arm and fell several inches over the line.

Roy probably would have liked another crack at that one, but mark this down: anything less than Roy’s brilliance from that point onward would have left the Canadiens reeling en route to one of the playoffs’ strangest goals – or luckiest.

There were fewer than two minutes left in the period when Ronan, racing along the boards, tossed the puck into the slot area toward an onrushing Paul DiPietro, who’d been stopped brilliantly by Hrudey earlier. Gretzky got to the pass first – just in time to steer the puck beyond Hrudey, who had left more than enough room on his right side sliding toward DiPietro.

“Patrick did his job,” said Muller. “We didn’t do any part of ours’. He kept us in the game in the first period when we didn’t really deserve to be in it. He kept us in most of the game, but we didn’t do a damned thing with it.”

What Muller meant was that things didn’t get better as the game wore on, largely because they tried to play the Kings’ game and, as Muller had mentioned, Los Angeles was better defensively than the Canadiens.

How much did the Kings dominate in, let’s say, the second period?

Midway through the period, the Canadiens held a 20-14 margin in shots. In the final 10 minutes, the Kings outshot them, 17-1.

Roy had to perform several minor miracles to hold off the Kings before Robitaille scored his second of the night with fewer than three minutes remaining in the period. He was huge on Marty McSorley. He took one away from Gary Shuchuk. He snatched a Robitaille shot out of the air.

He was turned inside out on a couple of occasions, flopping and spinning in his crease – yet still managed to keep the puck out of the net. He was, in a few words, the only reason the Canadiens weren’t embarrassed in the period – so what’s going on here?

What was going on was that the Kings held a 2-1 lead going into the final period, yet at the time were at least three goals better on a night when the Canadiens were made to look as bad as they can get.

It doesn’t get worse, for example, than Patrice Brisebois losing the puck behind his net less than two minutes into the third period. There’s Kurri alone in front of Roy – and there’s the cushion the Kings were seeking on this night.

“The way we were playing,” muttered Daigneault, “we couldn’t even push one of their guys into a corner. What were we thinking of?

“I know it’s only the first game,” he said. “I hope it’s the last one we play that way.”

Local boy Robitaille lays some Forum spirits to rest



There is a ghost in the Forum, and he lives in section 212. Just below the whites, naturally. The apparition came out with four minutes left in the second period after Patrick Roy made a glove save, flapping his arms to summon the spirits of Canadiens’ Stanley Cups past to get a load of this.

The Los Angeles Kings shouldn’t have been able to miss any guy who was at least one sheet to the wind, but Luc Robitaille swears he did.

Of course, he had seen the real thing in the morning. During the Kings skate, he looked over into the stands and saw Henri Richard in the flesh. The Pocket is one amazing ghost. Henri Richard is the reason Montreal children learn how to count from one to 11. To stop at 10 would miss one of his Stanley Cups.

“I looked over there and saw Henri Richard and Steve Shutt,” Robitaille said last night. “I know Henri Richard. I know what he’s done. I know Henri and Shutt got where they are by working hard. I knew then that I would come out and work hard tonight because they always did, and I didn’t want to come here and not do that in front of them. I didn’t want them to think that about me. There are big legends watching those games. Maurice Richard. Those guys were big.”

That torch is thrown from failing hands in Montreal, and occasionally it lands in the lap of the other guys. Luc Robitaille, who grew up 25 minutes from the Forum in Decarie Expressway traffic, lit the lamp twice last night and the Kings eased to a 4-1 victory over the other Homeboys in Game 1 of the Stanley Cup final.

Wayne Gretzky toyed with Montreal – it was Jacques Demers’s verb – and had two goals and three assists. Of course one of the goals was past Kelly Hrudey and into his own net; His Greatness just didn’t give the Canadiens enough offence.

But the night belonged to Robitaille. His rink. His dream. He proved you can go home again – as long as you come up with 16 tickets.

His father, Claude, who works in auto parts in Laval, was there. His mother, Madeleine, also made it to the Forum, and that certainly was a bigger upset than the Canadiens finally losing their first playoff game on the sacred pond.

Madeleine doesn’t have a particularly high tolerance for Lord Stanley. During the Game 6 overtime of Kings-Maple Leafs series, she went into the bathroom at home and turned on the water. Then she switched on the fan. Madeleine didn’t want to know as Gretzky turned into Johnny-on-the-spot that night.

But you can’t escape it. The hockey is everywhere and without an appreciation of his home and his hometown heroes, Robitaille wouldn’t be the player he is.

“I played here when I was eight years old,” said Robitaille, who was part of the youth hockey and cultural program that retiring Canadiens’ vice-president Jean Beliveau championed. “I remember looking up in the stands and thinking how huge this building is. I was thinking, this is it. I was like in heaven. Sometimes you don’t realize just how lucky you are. You have to remember how you grew up.”

Robitaille grew up with the Canadiens of Cournoyer, Lafleur, Shutt, Lemaire. He grew up with Stanley Cups. His bed time was nine o’clock, and his parents would shoo him off to bed after one period. Robitaille must have seen Ken Dryden make a lot of big saves to keep the Canadiens in early.

The Canadiens should have enforced a Robitaille curfew. He scored early, banking a shot from behind the net off Patrick Roy at 3:13 of the first period. And he scored way too late, another power-play goal with two minutes left in the second period that broke a 1-1 tie. This was demonstrably after that sappy tribute to the Maple Leafs on Coach’s Corner, and somebody should ground little Luc for a month. Gretzky said Robitaille’s goals were crucial and surely they were, not only for Los Angeles but for a local boy who has had a spotty playoff but was dying to do good.

“This is the one guy the building means the most to,” Kings coach Barry Melrose said. “The rest of us aren’t from Montreal, aren’t from Quebec. Lucky is just fired up being here. He’s not sleeping. He’s dreaming. I haven’t seen him speaking this much French all season. I didn’t know he remembered it.”

But you don’t lose your language, and the Forum lives in your genetic memory if you have seen the banners and skated on its ice as a boy. Someone asked Robitaille if he could compare himself to Henri Richard, and Robitaille shook his head and smiled.

Lucky Luc is only 11 Stanley Cups away.

“You’re not a champion until you win a Stanley Cup,” Robitaille said. He might be in Los Angeles, but his hockey values haven’t gone Hollywood.

McSorley more than a thug



The first time the Edmonton Oilers got a look at Marty McSorley almost a decade ago, Mark Messier decided to give him a little multiple choice quiz: a) left fist or, b) right fist.

McSorley cleaned the ice with him.

So they were dispatched to the penalty box where Messier chirped for two minutes as McSorley, a kid, stared at his skates. When they emerged, Messier pursued McSorley again and took another beating.

Pat Conacher, the Los Angeles Kings penalty-killer who now kills them in McSorley’s honor, was an Edmonton spare at the time. He would ride the stationary bike after games, nightly sweat, and he was witness to this (slightly edited) private conversation.

Glen Sather: “That stupid goon McSorley went after Messier. What a jerk.”

Ted Green: “Damn right.”

Sather: “He’s an idiot.”

Green: “Damn right.”

Sather: “Gotta get him.”

That is how legends are born, but this is how legends grow. Sather got his man and kept him until 1988 when he went with Wayne Gretzky to the Kings. Owner Bruce McNall says it was harder landing McSorley than Gretzky. While McNall negotiated by phone with Peter Pocklington, Gretzky – who was in McNall’s office unbeknownst to the Edmonton boss – insisted, sotto voce, the Kings stand firm, that they get McSorley. Finally McNall told Pocklington, “I’m about to pay you $15 million, and you don’t want to throw in a thug?”

Gretzky began the assault last night by the Oilers Alumni Association on the Stanley Cup. These are the old hands on a young team. Jari Kurri came back from Finland to join Gretzky in the hockey capital of the world – everybody wants to play with Wayne, to go to the beach and get overpaid by McNall in American dollars – and it is his name that will be most often linked with His Greatness. But McSorley has been the most steadfast, maybe even indispensible. He has been Gretzky’s companion and bodyguard, a 6- foot-1, 225-pound Do Not Disturb sign.

Of course, McSorley also has benefited from the relationship.

“I’ve gotten a lot of free meals, and I’ve met some of Janet’s (Janet Jones, Mme. Gretzky’s) friends,” McSorley said, rolling his bloodshot eyes.

McSorley shields Gretzky, but this is a two-way deal. When a reporter asked if McSorley thought he had come a long way since feeling out of place at the 1991 Canada Cup training camp – OK, it was me, and it was asked because in a moment of self-deprecation McSorley once hinted at it – Gretzky interjected, “I don’t believe a guy who led the league in plus-minus on a fourth-place team should have a reason to feel out of place at Canada Cup.”

Take that, dummy.

This isn’t the old Marty McSorehead. Not that his 399 penalty minutes in 1992-93 necessarily disqualify him, but he is so much more than McNall’s favorite thug. In his own way McSorley is as unique in his talent as Gretzky. He can play it rough, lead the rush from the back, work the point on power plays, play right wing, score. Bob Probert is tougher and a better scorer, but he would be lost on the blue line.

“Marty’s the best defenceman in the league right now,” said Kings coach Barry Melrose.

What do you think of that, Marty?

“Uh, I never second-guess the coach.”

He was smiling.

“I remember Marty in Baltimore,” said Melrose, who coached in the American Hockey League. “He was the toughest guy I ever saw. He also couldn’t play much. He worked at it. When I coached him this year, I realized he’s a much better player than I thought.”

Chris Nilan used to be the patron saint of goons who aspired to something more, but McSorley has gone miles beyond Knuckles. McSorley started the Toronto series by laying out Doug Gilmour with an elbow and ended it by feathering a pass on a two-on-one, a play no caveman makes.

McSorley always has seemed to understand life, but through an appetite for work and some excellent teaching, he mastered the game.

Still, there are those who yearn for the good old days.

“He’s not their scariest player,” sniffed Lyle Odelein, the Canadiens rambunctious defenceman. “I think he picks his spots. Real tough guys, like Probert, don’t. They’ll go with anyone. When we played L.A. this season I tried, but McSorley didn’t act interested. He got 400 minutes, but how many of those were 10’s (misconducts)? He’s a good player, but as a tough guy, I wouldn’t put him in the top 10 in the league.”

Odelein said he is ready to tangle with McSorley any time. He might have to go through Gretzky first.


  1. adamkennelly says:

    all this size doesn’t matter crap is pissing me off. It damn well does- period, end of story. picking and choosing examples of players who are exceptionally skilled and happen to weigh under 200 lbs does not an argument make. hockey is a physical sport and its a m*v thing, along with space taking up ability, reach, etc.

    watch an LA Kings game and tell me you think our Habs could take them in a series – no freakin chance and they are not a bunch of goons…just their skilled forwards are big and so are their D.

    Habs have too many small guys AND not enough toughness – bad combination..very easy to play against…tough to hold up over a playoff series.

    • The_Truth says:

      Size definitely matters. It’s not all about inches and pounds; There has to be a toughness there as well, but a bunch of small guys like Gallagher, DD, Gionta, PLeks, Gorges, Diaz, Bouillon, Markov (God bless them) on one team, won’t get it done in the playoffs. They are all also respectable in the grit department, minus Diaz.

    • Phil C says:

      Any championship team has a nice balance of size and skill. I would agree that the Habs have too many small players, especially on defense. Having three players under 5’9″ in your top nine forwards is also too many as it makes it tough for the coach to manage the lines. But that doesn’t mean small skilled players are not useful, the Habs just need a better balance. A team of slow giants is equally as bad as what they have now, maybe worse. Replace one small forward with a bigger player, and pick up two bigger defensemen, and this team would be transformed from a size perspective.

      The context of size doesn’t matter was in reference to drafting which is different to how the team is assembled. I think you have to take the best player available when drafting and plug holes in your line up via trade or free agency. If it was just a matter of picking the big players, drafting would be easy. The reality is that many of the first round busts are the bigger players. The AHL and ECHL is filled with big guys that will never play a game in the NHL. Even when they do work out, they take longer to develop.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      It’s unbelievable, going back several years on this site, the amount of regular posters that pull out the old Don Cherry and Brian Burke insults anytime someone mentions this team is too small and lacks toughness. If you want the Canadiens to be big and tough, you’re all of a sudden a neanderthal.

      Going on five years now, you flick on the tube and every time the Habs are playing, the panel in between periods or the commentators during the game, all say the same thing, Montreal is too small.

      You tune into HIO the next day and whatever crew called the game the night before, are all off a sudden a bunch of idiots who know nothing about hockey, even though two thirds of them played or coached in the NHL.

      Hockey is a game of speed and skill, no question, it’s great. But the bigger and tougher those speedy and skilled players are the better. If you take a guy who’s 5’10” with the exact same skill set as a guy who’s 6’3″, the latter has an advantage. More reach, more weight to check and battle for position and on and on.

    • ont fan says:

      So you get a whole lot of good prospects thru the draft and when you have a group close to being a contender, you then trade some of them with a bottom dweller for their bigger skilled players . Kind of like LA. We are the team who are accumulating prospects and not ready for prime time.

  2. frontenac1 says:

    Some posters were talking about getting Schultz out of Washington?If you want another Hal Gill its him. He had One fight in the last 5years,which he lost to Jackman in 09. Really?

  3. frontenac1 says:

    Smoking Alcohol? What the hell is wrong with these kids up in Ottawa? It is Gauche and a Travesty! On a hot ,humid day like today,what is required is a Tikki Bar amigos. Man, I loved that Kon Tiki Bar in the old Sheraton Mt. Royal in Mtl. Volcano drinks, waitresses with those flowers in their hair,Don Ho music,a nice cigar. Civilized. Those kids need help.

    • HabFab says:

      I loved that old Kon Tiki Bar… ah the 70’s!!

      Also remember about half those bars Punkster was mentioning in TO. Must be Old Bar Weekend 😉

      • frontenac1 says:

        Yeah amigo. I lived in Toronto from 83 to 91. My favorite spot was the Bamboo Club on Queen. Cold Beer, Great Satays and Noodles. Saludos!

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          I used to go to that Bamboo club myself in the late 90s early 2000s! It was the place to go on Tuesday nights. It kick started the week of partying.

          There was a club called Tonic on Richmond on Wednesdays….

          • HabFab says:

            Sound like a professional…

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            There was a three year span of living/partying in downtown Toronto that was probably the best time of my life. It was a bit like the movie “Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas”.

            I’m almost 40 now, man I wish I could go back 12-15 years!

          • HabFab says:

            I lived that life from the mid 70’s in Montreal till early 80’s in TO with a year plus in Vancouver in between. The foolishness of youth 🙂

          • frontenac1 says:

            Almost 40? You have many more fine years ahead . Trust me on that Amigo!

  4. commandant says:


    Did you just leave a comment on my site, or is our friend from Pougheskeepie Public Library back and now choosen you to impersonate?

    Go Habs Go!
    Your 2013 NHL Draft Headquarters, Now Open.

  5. HardHabits says:

    Haha. I was just issued a warning on EOTP for likening commenters there to a “group of women on a camping trip whose menstruation cycles where synchronized to occur at the same time.”

    Apparently that was denigrating to women. It’s a known fact that synchronized menstruation exists. EOTP is a prime example.



  6. Todays - Topic says:

    Half of Boston’s team is under 200lb they’re still playing. so much for the size thing. Toughness and a never quit attitude along with good Goaltending will take you a long way.

    Injury prone is another thing. every game fans are on pins and needles. Bourque 1- hit away from a concussion, Gallagher the same, Gionta slash on the wrists he’s gone, Markov 1-good hit into the boards knees he’s gone. Pacioretty is another one. Eller most likely will be when he comes back.

    That’s you’re top players we’re looking at here. How are you gonna go far into the playoffs with a team like that. The most injured team in the playoffs this year. you figure it out. it’s easy. Soft and injury prone.

    There’s always a couple of injury prone players on every team
    but not like the Habs half of the team are.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      That whole average size thing is total BS. Look at their 1st line. Lucic on one wing and Horton or the other. Look at their defence. Chara, Boychuk, Seidenberg, McQuaid…

      Their key players are big and tough, and that’s what counts.

      Even Bergeron is 6’2″, Seguin 6’1″, Jagr 6’3″…

      Not sure what you’re thinking?

      Aside from the Rat, who’s a feisty 5’9″, I don’t think they even have a forward who’s under 6′?

      Montreal has a bunch and it’s a problem.

      • HardHabits says:

        Average size is not the determining factor and as you point out it is the size of a team’s premier players that are significant. Having Gallagher, Gionta and Desharnais as your top 6 is going to come back to haunt you once the play-offs roll around. Chicago is like the shortest team in the NHL on average and 20th lightest, but they have a better rounded out roster than the Habs do IMHHO. They’ve got Shaw and Kane at 5’10” and 5’11” respectively (Kane being a premier forward), their leading scorers are 6’1″ apiece. Their two shortest defence men are 6’0″ and the other two of the top four are both 6’3″.

        It might be marginal when considered (Emelin’s loss was proven to be huge) on a game by game basis but over the course of a regular season and 4 play-off rounds, the disadvantage that the Habs have, in my estimation, is untenable and has to be addressed before they can lay claim to being a team that perennially makes it to the final 4.

        My belief is that the current management structure knows it and is not in denial about it as the past regime was.

  7. HabFab says:

    Forget about it!!!

  8. HabinBurlington says:

    If Mr. Stubbs or Mr. Cowan are lurking here at all today, would interested if they have any insight on the chances of Habs signing Pribyl today.

  9. Mark C says:

    Interesting, Jerome Berube states on twitter that Zykov gave the best interview at the Habs combine. Smoke screen or legit interest…he would make a lot of sense for the Habs if he’s there at 25.

  10. habsfan0 says:

    It’s June 1.
    Will CP be sufficiently recovered to go bronco busting soon?

  11. thebonscott says:

    apparently florida and colorado willing to move draft choices, to get better now, i say send em price and get bernier off LA


    • Habfan17 says:

      If Price would get Colorado’s pick, I would say it might be worth it. I doubt in this over priced world the NHL has become, that Colorado would take only Price. Also, as much as Scouts say Jones is a can’t miss impact player, he may not be. Many scouts thought Daigle would be and look at him. I know things have changed since then, but it is still a risk. However, having Jones, Subban, Tinordi, Beaulieu, Dietz as the future core on defence, makes you think! Maybe Price DD, Diaz, Gorges and Moen for the first overall, Colorado’s second round pick and Varlemov.


      • thebonscott says:

        hmmm, i was thinkin drouin or mackinnon, but i’d settle for jones 🙂


        • Habfan17 says:

          I like Drouin, If they took MacKinnon, they would have to trade another centre. I like building from the defence out. What you say also makes sense, with the defence prospects they have, they could take Drouin.


    • habstrinifan says:

      Could see Roy’s mentality pushing to get better ‘right away’ for Colorado. Although no way on earth I see them passing on drafting a potential defensive core cornerstone like Seth Jones.

      But their other picks(if they have them) could be in play.

      Once Jones is drafted I dont see Florida being unhesitant to deal their pick. Florida is looking for marquee value in their fight with Tampa and while McKinnon is great I dont think he is flashy enough to have a high marquee value. So their pick could be in play. They could make a big spash… First round pick for boatload of (3 players) to add to their youth.

      I would have liked to be going into this draft with Gionta perfectly healthy. I dont think GM’s are going to want to take a chance on a player with same extensive injury to both arms in consecutive years with historically long rehab time.

  12. HabFab says:

    For those missing some Habs play, some “beauties” as Army likes to say;

    • habstrinifan says:

      Written as if he were the PR guy fro MB and the HABS. Not one move by MB ‘wont turn out right ‘ in the long run.

      Worthless read really.

  13. HabinBurlington says:

    I see Allan Walsh is tweeting about Jonathan Drouin, I assume this means that the doorknob Walsh is representing Drouin?

  14. frontenac1 says:

    @uce. There was no Instigator Rule back then either. Get rid of the Instigator Rule. It worked in favour of protecting the small skilled guys. Ask Gretsky..Saludos!

  15. Habfan17 says:

    @ Un Canadien Errant

    Re: ” And as far as Trevor Timmins saying size doesn’t really matter, some thoughts, expanded on from yesterday:”

    Very nice post. I believe the truth lies somewhere in between. It is my humble opinion that you need a few bigger, skilled guys that can’t be pushed off the puck so easily. I agree with you Phaneuf and all his type are a big embarrassment to the league, as is this new menatality that has crept into the league that even when you throw a clean hit, you have to fight because we didn’t like it. That is where I think the league needs to crack down, just like embellishment.

    There are some skill players available that aren’t huge or fighters, like Valentin Zyzov. Also Brett Pesce. When you look at those Habs teams of the 70′s and 80′s, they had the Chartraws, Bouchards, Odeleins, and Kent Carlson. They also had Napier, Mondou and many smaller skilled players who didn’t have to worry about having a Neil type try to remove their heads.

    Like you, I hate the over the top hitting and fighting. The rules should protect the players, but the league disagrees with me so you need some of these type players who may sit more than they play. but they can give the team some extra moxy when needed.


  16. YOWHab says:

    Lotta people pumping Jeff Shultz’s tires big time last night.

    I disagree, he has size for sure, but he never uses it, he is roughly as physical as Kaberle, and that’s putting it generously.

    • The Dude says:

      I want to point out to all you well versed fans concerning the ‘Size’ issue and how it matters not….We’ve tried it your way for twenty fn years and with a lot of talented average sized hockey players of all ages and got no where close to a Stanley Cup ! So at this point the more you post about this perspective ,the more ridicules you read .
      As for Trevor Timmons and his ‘Size don’t factor’ nonsense … FIRE HIS SMURF ASS! Trevor’s ‘unwavering viewpoint on his small but fit stance is gonna cost us another 20 years of ‘BLAH’!

      • Phil C says:

        There is a long list of reasons why the Habs have sucked over the last 20 years, and being only averaged size is way down that list. One of the biggest teams in the East this year was Florida, and a lot of good it did them. To imply that the Habs simply need to get bigger is an extremely shallow analysis of what’s been wrong with the team.

      • Steven says:

        Well, the closest we’ve come to a Stanley Cup since our last one was the Halak year in 2010, and that was arguably the smallest team we’ve had in that span(Pleks, Gionta, Gomez, Cammalleri, Pyatt, list goes on). But, point taken.

  17. Xkhann says:

    Hey…I dunno if anyone can help me with this, it’s a bit off topic to what you guys are discussing, but I thought I’d give it a shot: I’d like to know the name of the song played at the beginning of most overtime games at the Bell Center this season. I think it’s a house or dance or trance or something of those genres type of a song, whatever it is it really got me pumped up!
    I’ve exhausted myself for a couple hours now – well, weeks really – trying to even find a clip of it on the internet, so finally I found it on Youtube. I tried using the SoundHound app but it won’t recognize it because of stupid Gary Galley & Bob Cole’s commentating overtop of it. Here’s the link, it’s at 1:46:11. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrX_JCfKoRQ …It’s the game against the Penguins, remember that one, 7-6 in OT?!
    Thanks to anyone who can help me out in any way. I’m not sure how I can receive notices from anyone replying to this post, so i’ll just throw out an email of mine if anyone finds anything out m.khan82@hotmail.com .


    • Sako99 says:

      One- Swedish house mafia

      If you even dream of beating me you’d better wake up and apologize.
      -Muhammad Ali

    • Hobie Hansen says:


      Follow that link and skip to the four minute mark.

      Not that I go to the clubs in Toronto anymore, used to live in in them, literally, in the late 90s and early 2000s, but the song you’re talking about was huge in the techno/house clubs before the hockey arenas.

      I download house music while I work on the computer for background music and was laughing when a year later the song you’re talking about is playing in all the NHL arenas, when it was really meant for a bunch of kids on ecstasy to be dancing to at 4:00 A.M.

      • punkster says:

        Good ears, Hobie.

        ***SUBBANGIN’ NOW BABY!!!***

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          That whole track that I posted is great when you’re in the mood for something upbeat. Good to listen to when you’re flying down the highway!

          The DJ that mixed it, Deko-ze, is a DJ from Toronto who’s been playing in the clubs there and around the world for probably 20 years. I personally think Toronto has the best DJs on the planet.

          That’s about the only thing good to come out of Toronto though, aside from PK Subban.

        • punkster says:

          Lived there in the late 70s through the 80s and for me the best was the jazz clubs (Bermuda Onion, George’s, The Senator, Montreal Bistro, and a ton of other small venues) plus a mixed bag of blues/jazz/rock and whatever at Chicken Deli, Clintons, the Riv, Horseshoe and more…and the Blue Jays.

          Good times.

          ***SUBBANGIN’ NOW BABY!!!***

          • HabinBurlington says:

            The Riv, Chicken Deli and Horseshoe are great places I have been able to enjoy. I believe the Horseshoe just got a complete makeover.

  18. HabFab says:

    Signing dates for Hab Prospects;

    Unsigned Prospects
    Archambault, Olivier must be signed before June 1, 2013 or rights are relinquished
    Bennett, Mac must be signed before August 15, 2014 or rights are relinquished
    Cichy, Mike must be signed before August 15, 2014 or rights are relinquished
    Didier, Josiah must be signed before August 15, 2015 or rights are relinquished
    MacMillan, Mark must be signed before August 15, 2015 or rights are relinquished
    Nyström, Erik must be signed before June 1, 2014 or rights are relinquished
    Pribyl, Daniel must be signed before June 1, 2013 or rights are relinquished
    Sullivan, Colin must be signed before August 15, 2016 or rights are relinquished
    Thrower, Dalton must be signed before June 1, 2014 or rights are relinquished
    Vail, Brady must be signed before June 1, 2014 or rights are relinquished
    Walsh, Dustin must be signed before August 15, 2013 or rights are relinquished

    European Players Canadiens Hold The Rights To (without a transfer agreement*)
    Buturlin, Alexander initial deadline was June 1, 2006
    Korneev, Konstantin initial deadline was June 1, 2006
    Kruchinin, Andrei initial deadline was June 1, 2006
    Sidyakin, Andrei initial deadline was June 1, 2006
    Trunev, Maxim initial deadline was June 1, 2010

    Restricted Free Agents (team holds rights until the first June 30 after the 27th birthday)
    Engqvist, Andreas Canadiens keep NHL’s rights until June 30, 2015
    Klubertanz, Kyle Canadiens keep NHL’s rights until June 30, 2013

    • Loonie says:

      Thanks Frank.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Are we near any type of deadline for number of prospects signed? Could Pribyl be left unsigned due to not enough room for signing him? He would appear to have enough talent that signing him should be a priority, one would think.

      • HabFab says:

        We only have 34 under contract at this moment plus the 3 returning Juniors who don’t count unless they turn pro (make the Canadiens). The limit is 50.

      • Un Canadien errant says:


        The Habsprospect site is a great resource for all these questions. I used it when I composed an earlier post, here is the last couple of paragraphs.

        So there we have it. The Canadiens have 31 players currently under contract, if we add Darren Dietz, Magnus Nygren and Mike Condon, that’s 34. We assume Sebastian Collberg stays at Frolunda one more season, and Charles Hudon goes back to Chicoutimi-WJC, so their contract ‘slide’ and don’t count against the limit. We add Davis Drewiske, that’s 35, then Whitey, Yannick, Mike Blunden and Gabriel Dumont, makes 39. The two Hamilton goalies make it 41. Daniel Prybil, who I’ve already said should be offered a contract, bumps that up to 42.

        Eight contract slots is plenty to add a few free agents come July 5 to round out the roster until 2014, when Brian Gionta and Andrei Markov come off the books and by which time Jarred Tinordi and Nathan Beaulieu should be ready, and we’re in business.


    • Sportfan says:

      I see in the future Vail, Pribyl and Thrower getting signed.

      Sports and Entertainment in the link click and enjoy, clicking is fun!

    • habstrinifan says:

      Nice! I am gonna go google Cichy… seems I had tabs on him before as a good prospect.

      Edit: I googled. Safe to say Cichy is gone!!!!!!!!!!

    • neumann103 says:

      Am i reading this correct? The Habs have to sign Daniel Pribyl today or lose his rights?

      I know they don’t usually announce this stuff in real time but are they getting on this?

      Admittedly I have a bias in favour of two way Czech centers, but why would they not sign him?

      “Et le but!”

  19. Un Canadien errant says:

    And as far as Trevor Timmins saying size doesn’t really matter, some thoughts, expanded on from yesterday:

    Since the season ended so abruptly and dishearteningly against the Senators, we’ve been talking at cross-purposes as Canadiens fans in the “Canadiens are too small”-“Are not!”- “Are too!” debate. The thing is, this debate isn’t as polarized as some have been in the recent past (Price vs. Halak, Kaberle is a somewhat effective d-man on powerplays who can still sort of help and produce a half a point per game vs. lynching Pierre Gauthier, Konopka vs. sanity). It’s not even the tide shifting as much as a sea change. We’re left debating getting bigger quickly, versus getting way more bigger way more quicker, damn the torpedoes full speed ahead.

    Some moderates point out that big doesn’t necessarily mean tough, and vice versa, and there’s truth to that. Marc Bergevin pointed out how much heart Brendan Gallagher has at his year-end press conference. As a contrast, Hal Gill, Benoit Pouliot and Guillaume Latendresse are brought up. This conversation usually ends up moving the goalposts, and we end up agreeing that the Canadiens do have lots of heart, and fight to the bitter end. What was the question again?

    Some caution we’re already big, and point to the average weight or height of our team compared to the rest of the league, that we’re only a couple inches shorter than the Senators, and three pounds under the average weight of the Bruins, for example (http://mirtle.blogspot.ca/2013/01/2013-nhl-teams-by-weight-height-and-age.html). Heck, we’re almost even if we take out Zdeno Chara and Milan Lucic, they skew the data, they don’t really count. The fact that we rank 28th and 30th in these average team measurements are statistical anomalies, and probably not significant. We’re just looking to confirm our perceptual bias, because it makes us feel bad when Chris Neil gets all scowly and grabs Brendan Gallagher’s head with both hands and tries to unscrew it from his shoulders so he can take it home as a keepsake, to the mute, complacent assent of the referees. Three pounds aren’t really that much, and neither are ten or twelve, that’s just a couple of weight classes in boxing. Right?…

    Baseball has its ‘Mendoza line’, which denotes a .200 batting average, and which is thought to be the minimum proficiency a baseball player must maintain to remain in the major leagues. Hockey is at risk of developing its own such demarcation, namely that a player needs to be 6 feet tall to be considered draftable and likely to have a career in the NHL. To deviate from that a player pretty much has to be named Crosby, McKinnon or Drouin. And after the parade of giants that is the blue line of the Capitals or Senators or a dozen other teams, the Mendoza line for defencemen might be creeping up to 6’2″. Our reinforcements from Saskatoon, Darren Dietz at 6’1″ and Dalton Thrower at ‘really close to 6 feet tall’ will be considered short in Gary Bettman’s NHL.

    Of course, we exhort ourselves, we should get some huge guys, but not necessarily goons. Rather, we should look for giant players who can play hockey, skate, and score some goals, because there’re warehouses full of these guys, just sitting and waiting for a call, all cobwebby, like Maytag repairmen.

    I have to admit that watching the Blues vs. the Kings this year, and the Kings last season, and the Bruins the year before that, and the way the Canucks and Canadiens get beaten down playoff after playoff, has me convinced. I fought the good fight, tried to be a proponent of elegant, skillful hockey, of the frères Rougeau being superior to Abdullah the Butcher, but I’ve decided I need to be a realist as opposed to an idealist.

    One thing that stands out in my mind is how much of a crosschecking menace Dion Phaneuf is against our smaller skill guys, how he’s big bad Dion after the whistle when he wants to take a free shot at Brian Gionta, compared to his muted appearances against the Bruins in these playoffs. His was a shameful performance, another embarrassment in a long sequence of these for Toronto fans, that he wears the C on his jersey, as he was a veritable purring wittle kitty cat against Milan Lucic and Scott Thornton, stopping short of voluntarily surrendering his lunch money during pre-game warmups as a ploy to ingratiate himself and sail through the game unscathed. Also like, when faced with Brandon Prust, he was much less intrepid than when confronted with Aaron Palushaj last season.

    I remember other instances like these last season, like Ryan Malone being a rampaging buffalo and tossing Canadiens out of his way while trying to decapitate Alexei Emelin or Chris Campoli, but being much less hotheaded one game when confronted on a regular basis by Mike Blunden and Brad Staubitz. These two gentlemen must have a post-career future as crisis counsellors because they had a real calming influence on Mr. Malone. A similar effect was obtained when Travis Moen and Alexei Emelin were fronting Wayne Simmonds after whistles in front of the net, he was a lot less elbowy and facewashy then.

    So the craven Dion Phaneuf is the final piece of anecdotal evidence that I need to admit that the Canadiens need to sacrifice some speed and quickness for some beef and nastiness, at the cost of my viewing enjoyment. The 1986 team was fun to watch because it won, but Steve Rooney and Dave Maley didn’t exactly get the pulse racing. I’d watch our slog against the Whalers or the Sabres, then stay up late and watch the second game, the offensive show that was the Oilers against the Flames or the Jets, all the skating and passing and scoring, and wonder to myself which installment of the double-header I enjoyed watching more.

    So will our future Canadiens be: big, tough, cementally-handed, plodding, resolute, skirmishy and facejabby and headlocky, crosscheck resistant and unaverse, eager to “pay the price” and scrum in front of the net, lumberingly efficient, soporific perhaps on occasion, relentless battering rams but hopeless with the puck on their stick and the top half of the net wide open. But they will be Darwinianly adapted to their Hobbes-ian environment, and ultimately more successful than our current herd of sprightly gazelles.

    Which is progress, I guess.



    • Habfan10912 says:

      A classic:

      “But they will be Darwinianly adapted to their Hobbes-ian environment, and ultimately more successful than our current herd of sprightly gazelles.”

      You sir are as descriptive and silver tongued as anyone I have ever seen. CHeers.

    • Habfan17 says:

      Very nice post. I believe the truth lies somewhere in between. It is my humble opinion that you need a few bigger, skilled guys that can’t be pushed off the puck so easily. I agree with you Phaneuf and all his type are a big embarrassment to the league, as is this new menatality that has crept into the league that even when you throw a clean hit, you have to fight because we didn’t like it. That is where I think the league needs to crack down, just like embellishment.

      There are some skill players available that aren’t huge or fighters, like Valentin Zyzov. Also Brett Pesce. When you look at those Habs teams of the 70’s and 80’s, they had the Chartraws, Bouchards, Odeleins, and Kent Carlson. They also had Napier, Mondou and many smaller skilled players who didn’t have to worry about having a Neil type try to remove their heads.

      Like you, I hate the over the top hitting and fighting. The rules should protect the players, but the league disagrees with me so you need some of these type players who may sit more than they play. but they can give the team some extra moxy when needed.


    • JUST ME says:

      Every 6 monts the getting bigger priority comes back as fast as it went away and was forgotten. How confident were we when we realized that Brandon Prust was flying high and making us taller !!!

      So every 6 months the same names come back pea brains or not. We know the guy did not do the job elsewhere but in Montreal he will. Then a few months later we will come back to complain against the G.M. that overpaid the guy…

      In any case i cannot understand the ones that put size over talent,grit,heart and skills.

    • HardHabits says:

      <sarcasm>Yeah but goons don’t protect players from getting injured.</sarcasm>

      Excellent post by the way and I concur. Then again you have a penchant for saying eloquently in a tome what I say sardonically in a snippet. 🙂

      Seriously. Thoroughly enjoyed that read!!!

    • Habfan10912 says:

      I am having a very difficult time getting excited about the playoffs. Thankfully I can root against the Bruins. Not a big fan of the Pens but Inginla is easy to root for.
      The Western final? Meh.

    • habstrinifan says:

      Thank you Commandant for the links. Two observations stand out for me.

      Russell McKenzie’s reference to Iginla.

      ‘Putting that aside though, the bottom line though is that Jarome Iginla is this season’s Ray Bourque. It would be completely magical to see Iginla score a game 7 overtime goal.”

      I agree that the stage is set for a magical ride for Iginla. But I dont think he would be ‘carried along’ . I think Iginla is going to be one of the true revelations to Eastern teams fans in this series. I heard a Pitts beat writer comment on ow surprise she was by Iginla’s physicality. This is a superstar player.. who isnt past his prime.. and if he is not injured look out! He wont outplay Crosby or Malkin of course, but he will match them. And dont overlook what seems to be a huge amount of chemistry and respect and plain old fellowship between Crosby and Iginla. Iginla will make sure that Crosby isnt forced to stray from his game even if not on the ice with him and will also help to make sure that the Pitts do not try to ‘out bully’ the Bruins … and still not back down. One of the best matchups in ages.

      Mitchell Tierney: The Blackhawks are a team playing scared at the moment.

      I made the same observation in a post a couple days ago. Especially Jonathan Toews. Mitchell sees it as a good thing though. I fear that if the Kings lay a good beating on Hawks in game one it will wreak further havoc on Hawks confidence. I dont think we will see great hockey here…. until maybe game 3.

  20. HabinBurlington says:

    Brady Vail with a big hit and defending himself afterwards.


  21. Un Canadien errant says:

    Kind of a repost, expanded from yesterday:

    I didn’t come up with it, but the idea of the Canadiens trading for Jeff Schultz is being bounced around on here since yesterday. It’s an intriguing idea, in that he’s got one year left on his contract with the Capitals after which he could potentially be an unrestricted free agent. At 6’6″ and 230 lbs, he’d be a big missing piece on the Canadiens’ blue line, a defensively-oriented big man, maybe a less accomplished Hal Gill but who plays a bit tougher.

    We’re just spit-balling here, but he’s a good buy-low candidate, in that he’s been a healthy scratch often the last couple of seasons. This doesn’t exactly indicate that he’s a world-beater, it doesn’t speak highly of how well he’s been playing, but that’s part of the buy-low equation, and maybe it’s just that the skills he brings to the table are already there for the Caps in John Erskine, Karl Azner and John Carlson, they already have their big bruising d-men who play big minutes. Jeff Schultz may be left with no job to do, no role to perform, those three other gentlemen are already killing the penalties and standing in front of their net, minding the back end while Mike Green roams around.

    On our team, he’d fill a vacant role, and have a chance to contribute. Think of him as Washington’s version of our Yannick Weber, who is not quite as good as P.K. or Andrei or Raphaël Diaz, so he sits a lot, but if you move him to a team that needs a righthanded point shot on the powerplay, suddenly he has a role and minutes to fill. Alexei Emelin is going to miss half the season, and will need to be monitored as to usage and minutes when he returns. Josh Gorges can be steady and dependable on the back end, but struggles with big strong opponents, among other things. Jarred Tinordi ideally should be in Hamilton to start the season and continue his apprenticeship. With Jeff Schultz on the roster, we take care of these three concerns. He’d be more valuable to us than he is currently to the Caps.

    These guys, who are stuck at the bottom of their team’s depth chart at least partially due to circumstances, are who we need to target in trades, and this goes for big wingers too. There are probably quite a few of these languishing in the minors of their respective teams, big teams like the Sharks or Kings or Blues who are replete with sizeable forwards. These buried players, who might now be thought of as never panning out, might if transplanted on the Canadiens have lots of opportunity to grow into a vacant role, and shine.

    As I’ve mentioned before, some of these players we have lots of, the smaller shifty defencemen, and the smaller shifty forwards, who are good with the puck when they’re not chewing on an opponent’s CCM, might/must be swapped for what we need a lot more of.

    So yes, Jeff Schultz, yes, if the price is right. Like real cheap. The Capitals might be motivated sellers, eager to rid themselves of his $2.75M cap hit, as they have to re-sign Marcus Johansson, Karl Alzner and Matt Hendriks, among others, and only have $6M to do so.

    And if they don’t want Matt Hendriks, we’ll take him too.



  22. Ian Cobb says:

    Don’t forget to stay tuned for when the new schedule comes out. I will be picking a game date for our weekend SUMMIT in Mtl. at the end of Oct. Those that have already purchased their tickets from the cancelled game last fall, will have replacement tickets given to them. For others that want to participate with us in Oct. please stay tuned for information on all our weekend events and game tickets.

    HIO contact site-Summit game tickets, News, Pictures and comments
    Scroll down and click onto Summit pictures, for more pictures behind them.

    • habstrinifan says:

      Thank you Ian. Can you assure me that We will be 5 points up on the Bruins when the summit comes around. I need to know if I need to bring enough cash to buy the ‘good stuff’ or will I be drowning my sorrows on cheap beer.

  23. habstrinifan says:

    OMG I just read Farber’s coverage. WOW! WOW! WOW! Now I know why I liked this guy when he was here. I dare you to read the article on Luc Robitaille and not be transported to the forum and just breathing hard as you watch Robitaille skating around and catching the presence of Richard and Shutt in the seats. WOW! WOW! Get your handkerchiefs ready… your eyes will moist.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Lots of flak directed at the Gazette-HIO staff for the retro article instead of articles that are more present-minded or future-oriented, but I’m enjoying this look back. I didn’t get to read these pieces by Red Fisher and Michael Farber, I was on the West Coast by then, so it’s cool with me.

      Love the snarky comments by Lyle Odelein putting down Marty McSorley’s pugilistic talent. That kid had brass.

      If you’re too young to have lived through it, it’s a good opportunity to deepen your understanding and appreciation of the Canadiens’ history, add more detail and colour.



  24. HabFab says:

    A look at how Trevor and the Canadiens draft (unfortunately in French so goggle away)

    Short version is that he goes into the draft with a list of 75 players that he would like to draft… obviously not in the order of the 300 or so on the Central Scouting list.

  25. JohnBellyful says:

    I’ve come to the view that the Canadiens, in order to succeed in today’s NHL, must do unto others as is done unto them. Not quite an eye for eye, but certainly a tooth for a tooth. In fact, I would make it two teeth for every tooth losth in combat.
    The team cannot allow itself to be punched, poked, battered, bruised, chipped, chopped, smacked and smoked any longer without retaliation in kind. Those who would dare to commit fouls against the Habs would be fouled in return. There would be consequences for their actions, there would be reperconcussions.
    I know, this is not the Canadiens’ way but it is the way of the NHL and the team must adapt. And more and more of Montreal’s fans are coming to this realization. Hence the hue and cry to sign Clarkson this summer. He would be David to Boston’s Goliath because he has the stones to do the job.
    Pre-emptive violence and post-emptive violence can be a deterrent to emptive violence, so to speak. In other words – the kind normally employed by English-speaking people – play dirty before the team itself is the victim of dirty play, and exact vengeance after being wronged. Eventually the message would sink in with the rest of the league: don’t trifle with the tri-colour.

    “To you from flailing hands we throw the punches.” – Club de Homicide

  26. HabFab says:

    Not sure if this has been posted before but Why Can’t Canadian Teams Win the Cup?

    • The_Truth says:

      If one were to look at the management the Canadian teams have been getting the past decade or so, minus Vancouver, it isn’t a surprise They haven’t won a Cup.

      Even so, 3 Canadian Teams have made the final series the last decade, going to 3 game 7s in doing so.

  27. habstrinifan says:

    I like this idea of presenting the ‘coverage’ of the 1993 finals.

    One player I want to see ‘how he was covered’ by the scribes in John LeClair. Hope I am not wrong in recalling this was the series where he showed that ability to score … you just saw the hint of it.

    Carboneau stood out as he ‘went out’ with top of the line play, And Dionne etc. But our future seemed bright with LeClair.. his play did not seem to be a ‘flash in the pan’ … and … well you know the rest of the story.

  28. Strabo says:

    Don’t the Habs have a prospect that has to be signed today?

    Did a little research, JUNE 1ST 5:00 PM ET – Deadline to sign 2011 draft picks Olivier Archambault (4th round) & Daniel Pribyl (6th round)


    “Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I’m not sure about the former.” Albert Einstein

  29. Psycho29 says:

    Re: Suspensions…

    What if while the player is suspended his team has to dress one less player? I doubt the NHLPA or certain teams (*cough*BruinsLeafs) would go for it but it might serve as a deterrent somewhat.

    • JohnBellyful says:

      I like the idea of suspensions. I think if a player were strung up for each game he was to miss because of a major foul, I’m inclined to believe he would not be a repeat offender. And the spectacle of him being suspended from the scoreboard over centre ice would make others think twice about following in his skatesteps.
      I’m fine with stocks as an alternative.
      I’m especially fine with Stock in stocks.

  30. YOWHab says:

    Lotta people pumping Jeff Shultz’s tires big time last night.

    I disagree, he has size for sure, but he never uses it, he is roughly as physical as Kaberle, and that’s putting it generously.

    No way MT would want a SOFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF player like that on his team.

  31. HabFab says:

    Goalies Under Contract (4):
    Peter Budaj
    Mike Condon
    Peter Delmas
    Carey Price

    Robert Mayer
    Dustin Tokarski

  32. Habfan10912 says:

    Good morning all! Timmons gives some thoughts on the draft.


  33. HabFab says:

    Defence Under Contract (12/13):
    Nathan Beaulieu
    Francis Bouillon
    Raphael Diaz
    Darren Dietz
    Morgan Ellis
    Alexei Emelin
    Josh Gorges
    Tomas Kaberle (likely buyout)
    Andrei Markov
    Magnus Nygren
    Greg Pateryn
    P.K. Subban
    Jarred Tinordi

    Dalton Thrower appears will be given a chance to make the Bulldogs and would be signed then. If he doesn’t make the team, he goes back to Junior. He is not 20 until December and doesn’t have to be signed until 2014.

    Joe Stejskal
    Yannick Weber

    • Loonie says:

      Interesting that he(Thrower) was traded to Vancouver.

      Wonder if the Habs had a hand in that.

      • HabFab says:

        It appears that Saskatoon is going in a rebuild plus Thrower has had his problems with the Coach or vice versa.

        Tom, the last time we chatted it was concerning draft order. Your predicted order was the same as the previous years but the NHL.com site has another version. Was there a change with the new CBA or is there a planned change with the new 4 division set up next year?? I have not been able to find out so await the Draft to be surprised 🙂

  34. BJ says:

    Adding to Maritime Ron’s last point below.The Habs management should lobby the league for a higher cap proportionate to the taxation of both federal and provincial laws. Create a state by state and province by province average to either increase the cap or lower it on a team by team basis, so everyone is on equal footing with actual net cap money. As it is some teams are advantaged by lower state or provincial taxation.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Good morning Bruce or should I say good afternoon. That’s a very good point and may I add an adjustment made for difference between the US dollar and Canadian dollar as well. Not so much an issue today but it certainly has in the past.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Morning BJ, sorry didn’t see your post as I just typed a similar response to Maritime Ron’s post as well. This really would not be too hard to figure out. Granted I could see teams in the Sunbelt arguing against it, all the while they cash their equalization payment cheques from the teams in the higher tax regions.

  35. HabFab says:

    Forwards Under Contract (17):
    Michael Bournival
    Rene Bourque
    David Desharnais
    Lars Eller
    Alex Galchenyuk
    Brendan Gallagher
    Brian Gionta
    Patrick Holland
    Danny Kristo
    Louis Leblanc
    Phillipe Lefebvre
    Travis Moen
    Joonas Nattinen
    Max Pacioretty
    Tomas Plekanec
    Brandon Prust
    Steve Quailer

    Michael Blunden
    Gabriel Dumont
    Ian Schultz
    Ryan White

    • habstrinifan says:

      Every time I see the name Bournival I feel optimistic about what he will bring to this team. I like this guy like no other ‘forward’ prospect in our organization. He wont be a scorer per se… but a Jarvis, McPhee type intelligence on the ice.
      I can see this play being used as Mr. Versatility and Mr. Levelhead for many years by the HABS. His contribution to his team in last year’s Memorial cup was phenomenal in those areas.

  36. Maritime Ron says:

    Lots of talk and speculation about possible UFAs signing and playing in Montreal, but here’s hoping disappointment doesn’t happen when AT BEST, we only sign a depth Dman or a tough depth forward.

    1) UFA Players have a CHOICE of sometimes all 30 cities, so the very 1st question becomes does the player actually WANT to play in the Montreal fish Bowl?
    Montreal is very unique in not only having a demanding media and fan base, yet a culture that is significantly different than any other NHL city.
    While some may embrace that, several do not…and never forget the influence of a partner/family that may be very comfortable and out of the limelight in Tampa, Hollywood, Phoenix, Nashville, New York, Raleigh…

    2) Most Top Tier players want to play for what THEY feel will be a contender. It is for them to decide if Montreal will be a legitimate contender during their contract period.

    3) Management/Coaching staff. Have they had good/bad experiences if any? Where will they position the player? He wants to know.

    4) Net After Tax Dollars Earned:
    The notion of overpayment.
    KPMG did a study last year comparing all NHL cities. It is a good guideline for comparison.

    Ex: A $4M contract in Florida would net a player almost $400K more than in Montreal.
    To equal net income, the Habs would have to pay that player about $5M instead of $4M.

    5) Does he have a local born girlfriend? (see Prust…)
    6) Has he ever heard of the word “Hobbit?”
    7) Can he navigate pot holes?

    • Loonie says:

      Money is near always the number one priority for free agents.

      • Maritime Ron says:

        Hard to argue with that, but then how does one explain Robyn Regehr signing for only $6M over 2 years?

        He could have easily scooped that and more in the open UFA market. 2 teams come to mind quickly about how they desperately need a guy like that. Edmonton and Colorado…and I don’t believe us Habs fans would have minded that deal at all.

        Heck, he’s playing Top 4 minutes and Top3 PK minutes for a team that has a great chance to win the Cup…and I guess we wouldn’t mind his size at 6’3″-225lbs

        • Loonie says:

          Regehr could have made more than $3 million per season at 33 years old in a year where the cap’s going down? If he could have it wouldn’t be much more.

          Also, he and everyone else was looking pretty bad in Buffalo, the last few weeks in Los Angeles may be hiding the real Regehr.

          • Maritime Ron says:

            A few thoughts.
            The 50th highest paid Dman next year will earn $3.750M and there are some dogs on that list.

            Josh Gorges: $3.9M.

          • Maritime Ron says:

            Hiding in LA?
            Playing Top 4 minutes and Top 3 PK minutes with Doughty and Scuderi is hiding?

          • Loonie says:

            A weaker defenseman being carried by a much better one isn’t uncommon.

            Markov – Komisarek ring any bells?

            And this season…..

            Chara – Hamilton
            Suter – Brodin
            Kronwall – Ericsson

            The economics of the league heading into this season’s free agency surely played a part in Regehr’s contract. As I’m sure his age and declining ability did too.

        • The_Truth says:

          I would have loved Regher. That guy is what you want and need in the Playoffs. Looking at Gorges at $3.9 million, I think LA got a real nice deal for a 2nd pairing guy. Most importantly, they didn’t have to give term, which made that signing a steal.

          The power of being a perrenial contender. Lombardi is a hell of a GM and certainly underrated. Gotta love LA’s amateur scouting team as well.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Given the League and PA is now run by Lawyers and Accountants, there is no reason that the league shouldn’t be able to create a formula wherein each cities taxation rates are accounted for. This wouldn’t be a subsidy for teams with higher tax rates, but rather an adjustment to the cap to account for it. Montreal for example would gain an inflated cap amount equal to that of their higher tax rate in order to offset the current disparity. The player if traded would have his contract adjusted to match the tax rate of the location he goes to.

    • 21272andme says:

      montreal also has the distinct disadvantage beyond tax rates .. if the player has a family and kids (many do!), they need to figure out where their children will go to school. given the language laws, that means they go to french school (since the parents aren’t grandfathered in). that’s an issue for many when comparing it to lifestyles in other potential signing cities.

  37. HabinBurlington says:

    Maritime Ron and Clay brought up an interesting point at the end of the last thread. The NHL will once again evaluate dicking around with the semantics/optics of the red line in the name of safety. Clay brought up the simple and basic point that proper suspensions, enforcement of the actual rule book would help alleviate many of these injuries as players would then learn.

    Ron, however, brought up the frustrating fact that the NHLPA themselves are against such changes as this takes money out of the union brothers pockets. So what can be done?

    Well perhaps there is a simple compromise solution that the NHLPA should pitch to the owners, and perhaps should pitch through the media to gain public support. For every suspension and significant loss of money to a player for an illegal hit, there needs to be a similar penalty to the NHL teams themselves.

    This penalty cannot be as basic as money, as the Rangers, Leafs, Habs, Bruins, Flyers, Hawks etc….. could just write checks continuously without feeling the pinch. But imagine if for every 5 game suspension handed out, the guilty team would lose 2 points in the standings. I have no idea what the formula should be, but lets not kid ourselves coaches on teams like the Bruins love when their players punish another teams players. The hitting we see in todays hockey is designed to punish/hurt the opposition. I won’t be naive enough to say they never hit to hurt in the good ol’ days, but they certainly didn’t have the non stop punishing hits we see in todays game. Shifts are short, hits are constant, finishing your check is a routine play.

    If a team starts to get penalized for its style of play (roughhousing) by losing points, coaches will be under the gun from mgmt to ensure they don’t allow loose canons on the ice. These players are encouraged to hit everything moving, then when they cross the line, they are isolated from the team and punished individually.

    I can understand why the NHLPA isn’t backing super suspensions as the foot soldiers are carrying out marching orders then chastised afterwards.

    This is a pipe dream suggestion, but it would change the mentality of a Claude Julien who believes it is okay for his team to break any rule imaginable.

    • Maritime Ron says:

      Good Morning burli

      I was actually surprised by the NHLPA’s stance concerning Safety and Suspensions – or Super Suspensions of +5 games.

      “… the NHLPA, at least as the union has been represented on the competition committee, has consistently argued against punishments that fit the crime of head-targeting.

      Indeed, we were told by a well-placed source the PA only signed off on Rule 48 last summer on the condition that VP Colin Campbell not impose what the players referred to as “super suspensions,” for those guilty of coming laterally to apply blindside hits to the head.

      Which is why suspensions, even for repeat offenders, are generally fewer than five games.”


      It is all about money, as a brother is not paid when suspended. If a player is suspended 10 games, he loses over 12% of his salary.

      As you point out, there is a solution….but how does the solution affect this Billion Dollar Entertainment Business called Hockey?

    • habstrinifan says:

      You said it HabinBurlingtion… a pipe dream.
      “But imagine if for every 5 game suspension handed out, the guilty team would lose 2 points in the standings.”
      … this wont happen. And when you explore it further it will raise cause too many problems.. even in fact impacting on the integrity of the sport on the ice. Hockey’s officiating has its problems (referees ‘putting away whistle’ syndrome) but this is not a solution.

      Collective punishment wich discount ‘results’ should be limited to the instances they are used right now. Where a team cheats … like that applied in the NCAA. Playing illegeal players etc.. and I dont see situations like that arising in the NHL.

  38. Loonie says:

    Come on HIO. Why are you pandering to the youth? Let’s get a recap of the ’59 Finals.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Morning Tom, trust you are doing well. While I thoroughly enjoyed our success during the reg. season, the excitement we had last summer to get a talent like Galchenyuk has me wishing we had a chance for Nicushkin or Barkov this year.

      • Loonie says:

        You bet pal. Hope things are well with you too.

        It would be very nice to see some sucker give up their top five pick for our 25, 34 and 36.

      • habstrinifan says:

        Someone on TSN690 said that the success enjoyed by HABS in shortened season was a mirage. He used the quality and intensity of the current playoffs and the players that are being showcased as proof that HABS are nowhere near a top 2 conference team. He alo highlighted the reality that the team was fading badly in the last month or so and the talent, structure and coaching NEVER righted the slide. Very daunting but true in my opinion. This last ‘fact’ is what shall remain with me from the shortened season. How incapable our team seemed and how incompetent our coaches were during that slide or were made to seem by our talent base.

        We may have shot ourselves in the foot with our fancy new “2nd place” shine of our badly pitted arsenal. My hope is that MB and his staff and MT well and truly assess this team as they mae moves. And many may not like to hear these names, but that assessment has to ruthlessly judge what has been allowed to stand as the ‘veteran leadersip’ core of the team.

        MT has to be swayed a lot less by the protestations or ‘noble’ message of that leadership.

    • habstrinifan says:

      How are you Loonie. Have missed seeing the pseudonym Loonie on my morning read. Hope you are enjoying the ‘off season’.

  39. JF says:

    Will we be going through this somewhat pathetic exercise again ten years from now?

    • Loonie says:

      It doesn’t feel nice to say it. But I think that most competent General Managers who had the fortune of inheriting Price, Subban, Galchenyuk, Pacioretty, Eller and Gallagher could probably build a Cup contender pretty quickly.

      And I keep reading, hearing and seeing about how this team needs to build through the draft. I agree, and love pointing out that this team was already built through the draft. I think it’s time to insulate the talent it drafted with the right mix of players.

  40. Psycho29 says:

    Damn you! I hate being second!!!

    Good morning Burly…

  41. HabinBurlington says:


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