1993 Stanley Cup flashback: Habs win Game 3 on LeClair’s OT goal

This year marks the 20th anniversary of the Canadiens’ last Stanley Cup championship.

The Canadiens and Los Angeles Kings split the first two games of the Stanley Cup final in Montreal before the series moved to L.A. for Game 3 on June 5, 1993. John LeClair scored the winner in overtime as the Canadiens beat the Kings 4-3 to take a 2-1 series lead and record their ninth straight overtime victory.

Below are the columns by Michael Farber and Red Fisher that were published in The Gazette following the game:

(Photo by Denis Brodeur/NHLI via Getty Images)

Canadiens OT magic still lives

PUBLISHED IN THE GAZETTE ON JUNE 6, 1993

RED FISHER
THE GAZETTE

INGLEWOOD, Calif. – Ed Ronan had the words for it – over and over again. Huge. Great. Super. And, of course, wow!

He stands there watching John LeClair getting the 4-3 winner over the Los Angeles Kings 34 seconds into yet another overtime – only he’s talking, mostly, about Brian Bellows.

“Watch it … watch it,” he exults. “The big guy (LeClair) … he’s going in and barely misses … see that? But watch B.B. (Brian Bellows) coming into the play. Watch him …”

What Ronan was watching on the replay in what developed into mind- boggling ninth consecutive overtime victory, was Bellows taking out defenceman Mark Hardy and Tony Granato, along with Marty McSorley on the winning goal.

“After the big guy just missed,” said Bellows, “I knew I couldn’t get to the puck. What’s left, eh? You take the man out.”

“Look at him … look at him,” exulted Ronan. “He’s got Hardy all wrapped up, or the puck’s out of there, OK? Lookit … lookit, he taking him into (Tony) Granato …I guess. That’s huge.

“There’s John now … he’s just picking it up and look at those three Kings flopping all over the place. Get outta there,” yelled Ronan at the television monitor.

“What a goal! What a huge play by B.B. That’s hockey,” he said. “Game’s over. Thank you very much.”

And thank you, the Canadiens – as a team – must be saying to whoever or whatever it is that’s taking care of them all the way to the 2-1 lead they now hold in their best-of-seven Stanley Cup final with the Kings.

It’s doesn’t get better than this on a night when the Canadiens swept into a 3-0 lead 23 minutes into the game on goals by Bellows, Gilbert Dionne and Mathieu Schneider. Then they lost it when Luc Robitaille, Granato and Wayne Gretzky scored before the second period ended. Then Patrick Roy, who had been beaten on a soft one (Granato) saved it with a brilliant stop on Jari Kurri five minutes into the final period.

After that: Long John, the Mountain Man.

“I knew the big hillbilly was coming,” said Bellows. “You can’t help but see him coming.”

In truth, the Canadiens deserved something better than the 1-0 lead they had going into the second period – because of Kelly Hrudey’s work and several near misses.

The game was barely two minutes old, for example, when Eric Desjardins, the full-blown hero of Game 2, was in a position to score his fourth consecutive goal after getting three in Thursday’s 3-2 overtime victory. Instead, he missed the pass.

Then, it’s LeClair sweeping around Rob Blake, only to have Hrudey get in his way.

Alexei Zhitnik is in the penalty box – and now it’s Bellows – who was to score the Canadiens’ first goal, misses a delightful setup from Kirk Muller.

There’s more. Goaltenders don’t make better stops than Hrudey’s on Patrice Brisebois from the lip of the crease two minutes later.

This was, perhaps by far, the best period the Canadiens had played against the Kings. There was a jump to their skating. They were in control in their zone. Then, of course, there was Bellows, who had come out of Game 2 somewhat disenchanted after sitting out the entire second period. Coach Jacques Demers hadn’t liked what he got from Bellows in the first period. Bellows, on his part, was somewhat less than gratified with the idea of sitting while others played.

The result: he and coach Demers engaged in some light, verbal trashing, but Bellows made his point with a Bellows-type power play goal, starting when Kevin Haller delivered a shot from the blueline, whereupon Bellows headed directly for the traffic in front of Hrudey. He got there in time to deflect the shot downward through the Los Angeles goaltender’s legs – which is what Bellows is all about.

What, however, were the Canadiens, as a team, all about in a second period during which they appeared to leave the Kings dead in the water – and then lost it?

First, it’s Dionne getting his stick to a Mike Keane wrist shot 2.41 into the period.

Then, only 21 seconds later, Schneider deflects a Guy Carbonneau pass beyond Hrudey.

So here’s the game only 23 minutes old, and the Canadiens are sitting on a 3-0 lead – which is as much as anyone can hope for in a playoff game.

Instead, the Kings reeled in the Canadiens – with too many of the Canadiens problems self-inflicted. Until, that is, Long John – and Bellows – made it work again.

Is that why this man was smiling?

“Damned right,” said Bellows. “What happened with Demers – well, it happened. I was still cheering for the guys. I still am.”

LeClair puts it all together in OT

PUBLISHED IN THE GAZETTE ON JUNE 6, 1993

MICHAEL FARBER
THE GAZETTE

INGLEWOOD, Calif. – John LeClair, who has nerves of steel and hands that can be just as hard, is certainly persistent.

LeClair camped in front of Los Angeles Kings goalie Kelly Hrudey in the first minute of overtime and simply wore him out.

Three shots for a quarter.

Three shots for a 4-3 Montreal victory and a two games to one lead in the Stanley Cup final.

If LeClair had more time on the winning goal, he would have been arrested for loitering.

LeClair missed the far corner with his first shot, and then picked up a puck that was loose because of splendid work by Brian Bellows in taking both Tony Granato and Marty McSorley out of the play. He shot again and then gathered in the rebound.

This time LeClair was going to get it right.

“Kirk (Muller) made a great pass to me, and I just wanted to get the puck on net,” LeClair said. “It squirted through and I thought Brian was going to be able to get the rebound.”

But Bellows let the puck go through his skates, a heady play as the two Kings in the area wound up crashing and rendering themselves useless.

“That enabled me to get the free puck,” LeClair said. “I got the rebound and had a wide open net. I kind of took my time and looked and made sure I put it in.”

LeClair has six shots for the Canadiens, the most by any of the forwards who finally joined the Montreal offence. Still he also squandered a brilliant move in the first period when he shaked-and- baked a Los Angeles defenceman but couldn’t slide the puck past Hrudey on the breakaway.

If LeClair could finish them all, he really would be Kevin Stevens.

Montreal coach Jacques Demers beats this particular hobby horse on every occasion, trying to convince LeClair just how good he can be.

“John’s one of the strongest players on the team,” Demers said. “He also has a great shot like Stevens. He just has to put it all together.”

LeClair did at 34 seconds in overtime, the ninth different scorer the Canadiens have had in their nine straight wins in overtime.

“This is a great streak to have,” LeClair said. “A lot of it stems from (goalie) Patrick Roy. We have so much confidence in him.

“It wasn’t on the top of my list, scoring the winner. We have a lot of scorers, but if you’re going to win a championship, you need a lot of guys to chip in. Seems like tonight was my turn.

“I think by far that’s the biggest goal of my career. It’s a big advantage to win two straight like that and also to take the first one on the road. Things are really going our way.”

Carbo Pfinds puck, not Pfeiffer

PUBLISHED IN THE GAZETTE ON JUNE 6, 1993

MICHAEL FARBER
THE GAZETTE

INGLEWOOD, Calif. – Guy Carbonneau was lying down on the job.

Of course Carbonneau’s best position is centre, not prone, but there he lay, face down, hugging the left post as the madness whirled around him in the Great Western Forum.

One theory was Carbo was trying to get a better look at Michelle Pfeiffer, who was only about the 373rd most beautiful person in the place.

This city is really scary.

“Someone told me Michelle Pfeiffer was out there,” Carbonneau said. “I can’t believe I missed her.”

Carbonneau was seeing stars all right, but only because Warren Rychel had cross-checked him in the back and rammed him into the ice.

There were 15 seconds left in regulation, then 14, and Captain Carbo was stuck. Down and out near Beverly Hills. Nowhere to go. So as a tiny experiment, Carbonneau decided to see just how strong the net moorings are on the Left Coast.

Nothing.

“Yes,” Carbonneau said, “I was trying to push it off.”

Isn’t that, uh, illegal?

Carbonneau shrugged.

Referee Terry Gregson was not about to call it. As it turned out, he was not about to call rule 53C, either.

This is turning out to be a fabulous Stanley Cup final for subsections. First illegal sticks, then puck covering. This rule says no defensive player other than the goalie can fall on the puck, hold the puck, or – here’s the part where you get out your yellow marker – gather the puck into the body when the puck is in the goal crease.

Amid the glitzy crowd at the Fabulous Forum – from right-wingers like Ronald Reagan to right-fielders like Reggie Jackson, from good actors like James Woods to bad actors like tennis yahoo Andre Agassi – there was no better gathering than Carbonneau’s.

Tomas Sandstrom of the Kings came from around the net and tried to stuff it past Patrick Roy. Rychel then tried to poke the rebound home, but Carbonneau sort of stuck out an arm – gee, isn’t the arm action similar to one needed to dislodge a post? – and drew the puck toward him. With 12.9 seconds left, Carbonneau had made the biggest save of all.

If Gregson had called it, Los Angeles would have had a penalty shot. But he ruled Rychel simply had shot the puck under Carbonneau.

Twenty minutes later – but only 47 seconds by the game clock – John LeClair scored in overtime to give the Canadiens a 4-3 victory over Los Angeles and a two games to one lead in the series. This was the second-consecutive overtime goal in the first minute by the Canadiens, their record ninth straight win in extra time.

You have come to expect no less from this Team Time and a Half.

“I don’t even know why people were yelling,” said Carbonneau. “Maybe they were yelling the puck was in the net, but it never crossed the line. The only thing they can say is that Rychel cross- checked me in the back, which should have been a penalty. Then he pushed it under me.

“Honest, I don’t even know how the puck got under me.”

Right.

And Michelle Pfeiffer freelances behind the counter at McDonald’s.

“Whatever happened, it wasn’t a penalty,” Carbonneau said. “If Rychel hadn’t cross-checked me – which was a penalty – I would have been in great position by the net to clear the rebound.

“Anyway, it doesn’t matter what the people here think.”

So this is what Captain Carbo does for the Canadiens: everything. If they need someone to check Wayne Gretzky, Carbonneau volunteers. If they need the eye of the tiger to scope out an illegal stick, Carbonneau uses his X-ray vision. If they need someone to lie sort of still on the puck to keep the Canadiens in the game, then he does that, too.

Carbonneau has owned this series, not necessarily with his skills but with his incredible smarts.

“That play by Carbo was incredible,” LeClair said. “He’s always doing something to help the team win. He sets up a goal (his pass to Mathieu Schneider gave the Canadiens a 3-0 lead) and saves a goal.”

After his save, Carbonneau was convinced the Canadiens would win. Roy was annoyed the Kings had pumped three past him in the second period, and the team was fresh because coach Jacques Demers rarely shortens his bench. The Game 2 overtime lasted 51 seconds. This one was 34. If this keeps up, the Canadiens should be out of here after Game 4 in 17 seconds of Period 4.

Then the Kings would be flat on their faces.

Clouds hover in paradise as Gretzy-to-Leafs rumor resurfaces

PUBLISHED IN THE GAZETTE ON JUNE 6, 1993

MICHAEL FARBER
THE GAZETTE

INGLEWOOD, Calif. – The Silver Spur II – that’s a Rolls Royce for you Ford plebians – parked in the ramp of the Great Western Forum bore the California tag WJPTTG.

WJPTTG is vanity plate-speak for Wayne, Janet, Paulina, Ty and Trevor, Gretzky.

Life is good. Nice family. Fabulous car. And best of all, a free indoor parking spot.

But there are clouds in paradise, and not only the ones that doused Los Angeles yesterday morning. The “Gretzky is Going” story has resurfaced. At the All-Star Game at the Forum in February, it had Montreal buzzing until Kings owner Bruce McNall stomped it. Curiously, Gretzky could also have quashed the rumor he wanted to finish his career in Toronto to be near his father, Walter, who had suffered a brain aneurysm, but he stuck a butter knife through it instead of a dagger. The story didn’t disappear, but it did take four months off.

Now an Ottawa newspaper says Gretzky wants a one-way ticket to Toronto for reasons that include McNall’s promise to his father that he be the highest paid player in hockey. Last September Mario Lemieux signed a seven-year, $42-million contract while Gretzky is still making car payments on the Rolls from his $3-million salary.

“We’ve talked at length, but I’ve got to force Wayne’s hand at the end of the playoffs,” McNall said in an interview. “I talked to Wayne last summer, but he didn’t think he had done the job. He equated the job with this” – McNall gestured toward the ice – “and not his other job, filling the building. Wayne is sensitive to the fact that I’m in a building that doesn’t generate a lot of revenues. This summer, I’ll change his deal.

“There’s nothing else. I don’t know how these things get started, but then, that’s Mon-re-al.”

OK. That’s one version. But again faced with the chance to kneecap the story, Gretzky went limp.

“It’s very unfortunate that it happened at this time,” Gretzky said after the Kings’ morning skate before Game 3. “This probably is the most fun I’ve had in hockey for a long time.

“I have a pretty good relationship with Mr. McNall. I have an excellent relationship with Barry (Melrose, the Kings coach) and Cap (Raeder, an assistant).”

We interrupt this Q&A to merely underscore the difference. Excellent: Melrose and Raeder. Pretty good: McNall. Considering Gretzky and McNall are also business partners in horses, collectibles and the Toronto Argonauts, pretty good hardly sounds real good. Now back to the story.

“What needs to be discussed between me and the Kings will happen after the season is over,” Gretzky said. “There’s nothing really to be made of it. Obviously some things have to be worked out. They’re not very major problems by any means.”

Gretzky said McNall volunteered three months ago to make good on his word, but His Greatness said it wasn’t time to negotiate a contract.

“Especially now in the playoffs,” Gretzky said. “When the season’s over, we’ll sit down and get things done. My concern is winning a championship. Anything less than 100 per cent focus on that is crazy.”

The Kings first learned about the story Friday before they left Montreal. Other than McNall’s comments before the game, the response has been non-existent – unless you count the shrugs.

“Totally false,” Melrose said.

“I told Wayne if he’s spreading rumors, Toronto is the last place he should go.” Melrose was smiling. “They’re the most defensive team in the league, and they wouldn’t fit his style.

“Wayne’s been through so much as a player. There were the stories he was going to quit because of his back and then the stuff at the All-Star game. We’re a high-profile team, and we’re going to get a lot of media writing about us. Wayne and I just had a laugh about it.”

Gretzky said his father understands his hockey career has to take him from the family’s Ontario home and in his most vehement part of his non-denial denial, he said he likes raising his children in Los Angeles because they face less pressure than they would “in Edmonton, Toronto, Montreal or real hockey cities.” “That,” Gretzky said, “has been the easiest and best part of the whole trade (from Edmonton.)”

Gretzky did not mention what was in second place, but the impression he gave in this snapshot of a moment was that the list of benefits did not exactly read like a Russian novel.

Will you finish your career in Los Angeles?

“I hope so,” Gretzky said.

207 Comments

  1. Maritime Ron says:

    @ Dunboyne Mike
    @ Burly

    While Hockey DB is a good source for stats/draft, I have found the site ” Hockey Reference” to be oustanding.

    Very easy access to yearly “Game Logs” and “Splits” (fascinating page) were you can see how a player performed against a certain team/home and away/by month/by Division/by Conference…

    John LeClair:
    http://www.hockey-reference.com/players/l/leclajo01.html

  2. Maritime Ron says:

    @ Un Canadien errant

    Your points are well taken, yet there may be another way to look at it.
    Allow me to qualify this as one who has turned the page on the past 6 years of Price performance/learning curve, yet one who believes he needs to stand up in the next 2 years.

    Perhaps some may feel that if Carey was paid as a mediocre goaltender there would be more patience, yet next year his Cap Hit will be 3rd highest in the entire NHL for goaltenders as it was this year

    In an era and certainly next year where Cap dollars are precious – and if ‘mediocre’ is all we get for $6.5M, then perhaps a $3M goalie would suffice…with that extra $3M spent towards some other glaring needs.

    Can Carey bounce back?
    As much as I hope so, no one really knows…and as Francois Allaire mentioned 2 days ago, Price was technically flawed at the end of the year – we all saw that!
    Can a new goalie coach work? Something about ‘leading a horse to water’ comes to mind.

  3. Bill says:

    Cal and Habsfan0 … you guys are obsessed! You need to let go of the Price thing for just a little while before it starts to affect your daily life :)

    • ed says:

      People forget that we finished 2nd overall in the East., that we were beating everyone during the regular season; that Price was a major contributor in this success.

      • Timo says:

        Shortened season. Habs sure weren’t beating many teams in the last couple weeks of the season. If this were a regular 82 game seasion Habs probably don’t make playoffs.

  4. Dunboyne Mike says:

    Teams I’ve shouted for so far these playoffs:

    Montreal

    Toronto (to beat Boston)

    Rangers (to beat Boston)

    Pittsburgh (to beat Boston)

    Detroit (to beat Chicago)

    Tell me: should I start cheering for Boston?….

  5. Un Canadien errant says:

    The urge to kick Carey to the curb, to display impatience and frustration, to be mad as hell and not want to take it anymore, is all too human. It’s also symptomatic of North America’s throwaway culture, of the disposability of people, of the Donald Trump “You’re fired” approach to personnel management.

    Carey Price is in the fold. There is no other goalie walking the streets who is demonstrably better than him. He has all the ability in the world to succeed. In any sane company, an employee like that is trained, supported, given what he needs to succeed. You don’t turf an employee like that and just get another to fill the role. We’re not running a fast-food joint. This employee is a highly-trained, vastly qualified incumbent. He’s valuable. He is a human resource, if you will.

    Marc Bergevin and his management team recognizes that fact, and has taken a significant step in not renewing Pierre Groulx’s contract. They’ll bring in a new coach with a fresh approach, new ideas. We’ll coach our boy up.

    It’s more spectacular, and maybe to some more satisfying, to yell and rant and wave your arms and lash out and insult and throw things. That’s not very constructive though. It’s more productive to evaluate calmly, to support and encourage, to discipline when needed, to educate, to foster, to mentor. That’s what we need to do with Carey.

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.ca/2013/06/goalie-coach-pierre-groulx-is-not.html

    • habsfan0 says:

      What qualities do you believe the new goalie coach has to have that the former one didn’t in order to have Price realize his full potential?

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        To be honest, I don’t know Pierre Groulx or the candidates to take his post, or what goalie coaches do in general. What I do think is that sometimes a fresh perspective helps. I don’t think Mr. Groulx was a bad coach or was lacking a certain ability, but rather that he was not a good fit, or that a change was needed.

        Here is a quote from him, on RDS: “Pour n’importe quel entraîneur, l’ultime décision ça demeure les victoires. Carey n’a pas bien joué en fin de saison et c’est un facteur dans la décision de l’équipe. C’est une business qui est drivée par les résultats. Je ne suis pas du tout amer.”

        Translation: For any coach, the standard is wins. Carey didn’t play well at the end of the season and that’s a factor in the team’s decision. It’s a business which is driven by results. I am not at all bitter about this.

        • Dunboyne Mike says:

          Is drivée a real French word?!

          I can still hear Monsieur Maheu shouting “Anglicisme!” at me for wishing him a “bon weekend” (on purpose!).

          My thoughts on Price and the coach change are the same as yours, btw.

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            It’s hockey talk French, like “étique de travail”, and “clairer l’puck”.

    • Cal says:

      Sure. Let’s foster and mentor the $6 million man. I mean, it’s not like he’s not earning that salary, is it? Let’s adopt him until he’s 40 and has earned close to $100 mil while “developing”.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        The fact that he’s earning $6M is a factor that we have to accept, and take into account in how we deal with him. If the contract was expiring this year, we could take a decision. As things stand now, we can’t ‘sell low’. We’re all in.

        • ed says:

          Price did not have a bad year. He played badly for about 7 games to end the season, and then he did not play well vs Ottawa. But even against Ottawa he played well in 2 of the 5 games, and didn’t play well in 3.

          Was his year such a disaster??

          No.

          • boing007 says:

            Well, two out of five makes forty percent. A fail in any classroom.

            Richard R

  6. habs001 says:

    So much hate for DD lol…but if you look at his career NHL stats it is not that bad….178 games…34 goals… 77 assists…111 points…plus 4… A little bit of 2 full seasons of games a lot of Habs and other Nhl players wish they had these stats…

  7. Rad says:

    Saw a tweet that there are 56 players at Habs’ combine, of whom 32 are from the Q. Some of the non Q players attending are Horvat, McCarron, Rychel, and Bailey. Duclair said a couple of days ago he was going to be there.

  8. ont fan says:

    So Fleury is out for tonights game. How can you keep him for the future?

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      All teams would be well-advised to keep a French-Canadian goalie on the roster to stand on their heads whenever they visit the Bell Centre.

      Hence Luongo in Vancouver. And Brodeur’s contract has a NRC (non-retirement clause) locking him into away games vs Montreal until he hits the age of 74.

  9. Dunboyne Mike says:

    Anybody have easy access to stats on John Leclair’s immediate post-Montreal history. If memory serves, he became a Hab-killer right away, scoring hattricks and involved in some seriously lop-sided Philly wins.

    Approaching the Chelios and Roy league for appalling moves.

  10. 24 Cups says:

    The real goaltending poll question for the day is which goalie will the Pens start tonight. Pittsburgh’s season and full out quest for the Cup rides on tonight’s game.

    If they lose, then it’s two 1st and two 2nd rounder picks out the window, plus a host of salary cap cuts next month.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Pittsburgh makes me sick.

      And Boston — SLEPT through the second half of the half-season, now looking genuinely dangerous. And the Bruins I detest most have all gone up several gears: Lucic, Chara, Horton. (Ratboy, to give him his credit, was consistently good already). Still would not want any of them on Montreal.

      Also, in fairness to Boston, it sure looks like they are earning this honestly this time round. Not they are not doing dirty stuff, but that the League isn’t helping them. Thoughts?

    • mrhabby says:

      Steve..Vokoun starts.

  11. Luke says:

    Argh! I can’t believe Montreal took Pierre Sevigny two spots before Niklas Lidstrom!

    What terrible management!

    (For the record Detroit killed that draft):
    1st: Mike Sillinger
    2nd: Bob Boughner
    3rd: Lidstrom
    4th Sergei Federov
    6th Dallas Drake
    11th: Vladimir Konstantinov

    Rest of the picks played few or no games, but that 4 1000 game guys and Boughner had 600; Konstantinov career sadly cut short.

  12. Psycho29 says:

    Now this is a flashback….Stubbs tweeted this picture the other day:

    https://twitter.com/Dave_Stubbs/status/341856378832433152/photo/1

    I guess that the Gumper brought a thermos of tea to every game :-)

  13. habsfan0 says:

    So, if Tom Cruise can thrive in the movie industry at 5’6″,then why can’t DD do the same in the hockey industry at the same height?

    Or is there absolutely no correlation?

  14. Strummer says:

    Why is there a link to a story about Bieber on this site?

    ______________________________________________________
    “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

  15. frontenac1 says:

    Pictures of topless women are fine but Topless a Go Go Bars are the best amigos.

  16. bwoar says:

    So sick of reading “Price is a headcase”. Give it up. It’s completely false.

    “thoroughbred”

  17. Un Canadien errant says:

    Montreal coach Jacques Demers beats this particular hobby horse on every occasion, trying to convince LeClair just how good he can be.

    “John’s one of the strongest players on the team,” Demers said. “He also has a great shot like Stevens. He just has to put it all together.”

    Sigh…

    Whereas the average Maple Leaf fan overvalues the players on his team, thinking that players like Dion Phaneuf and Tomas Kaberle are All-Stars, Mats Sundin and Wendel Clark are Hall of Famers (no, but I guess if Dino Ciccarelli is a HOF’er, then these two excellent players are, kind of), and players like Nikolai Kulemin and Nikolai Antropov and Luke Schenn are on the verge of mega-stardom, the run-of-the-mill Canadiens fans takes his for granted, and always wants more, better, faster, Maurice Richard-ier.

    Éric Desjardins and John LeClair were the individual stars of the 1993 team’s consecutive overtime wins, and were relatively shortly thereafter shipped out to Philadelphia. At which point only did most fans realize how good they were, and what we had on our roster. Young, big, talented players, who could have been cornerstones for a decade.

    I get the feeling we’ve been trained out of this by twenty years of futility though. Brendan Gallagher, Max Pacioretty, P.K. Subban, Alex Galchenyuk, they’re all held triumphantly aloft, if not clasped tightly to our bosom. We can’t comprehend life without Tomas Plekanec. We know how awful it is when Andrei’s not around. Brandon Prust was quickly adopted, became a favourite son faster than Erik Cole the season before.

    Carey Price is the only exception to this new way of thinking it seems. He’s still held up to the Ken Dryden-Patrick Roy lens. Both of these gentlemen won miracle Stanley Cups, based on their heroic play, as rookies. They each followed that up with another surprise Cup in short order, and similar fashion. Carey Price will never be able to duplicate that, and will always be seen by some as coming up short. What we need to realize is that Carey is an amazing talent who will be better, and can be the Canadiens’ goaltender for the next decade if we support him and let him develop.

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    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • habsfan0 says:

      While it’s true that goaltenders take the longest to mature of any position,let’s not lose sight of the fact that Price was drafted in 2005…that’s 8 years ago. Sydney Crosby was drafted that same year 4 positions above Price.Not too many people are waiting for him to mature.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        Same draft year as Quick and Rask.

        • Luke says:

          Quick and Rask have better support than Price does.

          • kalevine says:

            yes they do, but Price has consistently, especially in the playoffs, displayed a knack of squandering good support just enough to lose games. Game 4 in 2011 and Game 1 in 2013 are both good examples.

            I was recently watching NESN and they were comparing the Thomas of 2011 with the Rask of 2013. They agreed that Thomas was outstanding in games and 4 against the Habs and that they would have been torched without his play. What was Price doing while Thomas was allowing his team to even the series? ahem…just enough to lose

          • habsfan0 says:

            I’ve always believed that the true mark of a “money goalie” is how he performs under “pressure” situations.
            In other words..regular season OT,shootouts,and playoff OT.

            If you check Prices’ record in any of these categories, I think you’ll find it’s less than stellar.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            @habsfan0, given you also think there is a correlation between Tom Cruise’s height and success in the movie industry to DD’s height and success in the NHL, I have a hard time with what you view as the mark of a good goalie. ;-)

          • Luke says:

            It’s not just the goalie. He can’t win shoot out if the team doesn score.

            We’ve seen golaie sthat allow 2 or 3 goals in shootout and still comoe out with wines and we’ve seen goalies allow a single goal and lose.

            Price is not alone out there.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Great Post UCe, I couldn’t believe it when we traded those two away, especially LeClair. Your final point is a good one also, but I am sure the usual stand pat arguments will arrive as quickly as Price goes down.

    • bwoar says:

      You nailed it on Price. I wrote my comment above before seeing this.

      One thing: I can, and often do imagine life without Tomas Plekanec. He’s both under- and overrated, and although I appreciate him, he’s just not a playoff player.

      For all the “Horton isn’t tough without the Bruins around him” we see on this site, I’d give him Plekanec money without hesitation, because he can play his game in the playoffs, where #14 just melts like a Hersey bar in a tanning bed.

      “thoroughbred”

      • Mustang says:

        bwoar, Your comment about Plekanec could also be true for Price. He is both under and overrated and so far at least, he has not proven himself to be a playoff player. When Price is on his game, he is great but he seems to be too inconsistent, especially in the playoffs. Hopefully that will change in the coming seasons.

        • bwoar says:

          Great point. Only, the things keeping Pleks off his game in the playoffs aren’t the same at what “happens” to Price.

          “thoroughbred”

    • Cal says:

      Why do we have to wait for Price to “develop”? Isn’t that what the AHL is for? If he isn’t ready now, after 5 seasons, how much longer? Another 5? Using the #5 pick on him was a waste, considering the Habs needed a big center since Bobby Smith left. That was a huge failed opportunity, imo.

      • Luke says:

        If only we had drafted Gilbert Brule while he still there, and the concensus next pick…

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        We may think it’s ‘not fair’ that we have to wait, but we have to. That’s the cards we’ve been dealt. Carey has the tools and needs to take the next step. We’re better off sticking with him than chasing the next great thing.

        http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.ca/2013/06/goalie-coach-pierre-groulx-is-not.html

        • Cal says:

          If Carey has the tools, he should be performing, not developing. I was wanting Gainey to say “Kopitar”. When he chose a goalie I couldn’t believe my ears. Eight long years later, my ears are still ringing from that shockingly bad choice.

          • habsfan0 says:

            Gainey made the final draft selection on the advice of Trevor Timmins.

          • Mattyleg says:

            I’d rather be in our position than in Philly’s.
            Goalies are crucial, and even though Price is not as good as some wish he was, he’s better than the vast majority of keepers in this league.

            Goalies take the longest to grow into their game. Look at Hasek and Tool-Time, and even Belfour.

            Just be patient.

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            We can rue the choice and decide to be bitter about it, and snipe at Carey every chance we get, until he’s driven to another town to flourish. Or, we can decide to recognize his talent and many attributes, and support him so he can become the goalie we all think he can be.

            Did his hobbit in a hole who can’t go out to the grocery store comments fall on deaf ears? What about his “Chill out” comments from 2011 training camp? Why don’t we all back off, leave the kid alone, let him breathe, instead of being right on him like a badger?

            You’re one of the very few who was championing Mr. Kopitar, I would guess, since how many of us really had a chance to see him play? And decide that he was the 18-year-old who would be the best player to draft, ahead of a herd of other talented 18 year olds?

            I’d seen Gilbert Brulé play for the Vancouver Giants a couple of times, and was convinced he was going to be a superstar, he was so much better than any other player on the ice. We all know how he had bad luck and never developed.

            To say that the Canadiens erred in taking Carey Price is revisionist history for the vast majority. Did the other seven teams who passed him over, from pick #3 on, also screw up? Did the Canucks mess up by drafting Luc Bourdon?

            We can be dissatisfied with Carey’s play last season; I suspect he’s not happy as well. Our response however should be to support him, give him all the resources he needs to succeed, rather than throw him on the scrap heap and start all over again with another roll of the dice.

            ———————————————————————–

            http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

          • Luke says:

            It only works when the guy you wanted pans out.

            People had Brule and Pouliot as the can’t miss guys. IIRC Zagrapan was though more highly of that Anze.

            Kopitar was a risky flier of a pic because he was the best player in Slovenia. That like being the best Quarterback in New Zealand. He had played a touch in the Swedish Elite league (0points in 5games).
            Sure I thought about Kopitar, but only because of his height and weight. He was such an unknown.
            I also hoped the Habs would have drafted Chara. I had him circled in my Hockey News draft preview. I got over it though…

            We could always sign 20yr old Gaspar Kopitar… he’s 6’0″; 218lbs and a Centre.

          • Cal says:

            @UCE- Price remains a waste of a high draft pick. Frankly, I don’t care who other teams chose ahead of him. All I know is I’ve been waiting for a good goalie since he’s arrived. I haven’t found him yet. Price is too laid back to win. His paycheque covers what he really loves to do: rodeo.
            If Price insists on chilling out, he should be doing that elsewhere. The goal in the NHL is to win. It’s not to “develop” players. The AHL is for that. See how Detroit does things? They bring players up who are ready, not players who “need seasoning”.

            Price has been disappointing since that first playoff game floater from the point got by him. And the next…and the next.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Cal is this a case of you displaying your Persnickety side? :)

          • Cal says:

            @Burly- definitely. It’s what summer is for in hockey: retrospection. :)

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Maybe we are actually waiting for MB to get the team some bigger and better Defencemen?

      • Trisomy 21 says:

        In hindsight sure, but I don’t believe you knew better than scouts during the time of the draft and thought Kopitar was going to be the better pick.

  18. adamkennelly says:

    Bordeleau to sign 3 year deal w/ Avs. I called that one long time ago…time for MB’s plan B.

  19. The Dude says:

    Ya ,thanks for bringing up John Le Clair …another f’n great Habs player trade. where do the Habs find these jokers in Management,Scouting and Coaching!

    • Mattyleg says:

      He was garbage with us.
      Very inconsistent, needed to be babied, only showed up for big games.
      I was happy to see him go.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • habstrinifan says:

        WOW! That’s harsh considering the little time he spent here and ice time he got. He was still breaking into the team, NHL.

        • Mattyleg says:

          You’re right, it’s a bit too harsh, perhaps.

          But there was a lot of hype over him, and he was having trouble solidifying his spot on the roster.

          I remember a lot of people were frustrated with his soft play.

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • The Dude says:

            Bullspit…Leclair was a SuperStar in waiting in Montreal. As-well I remember him going Head on with Eric Lindros and being equal in all facets of the game. The history on LeClair points out you view points are biased.

          • Mattyleg says:

            You’re only saying that in retrospect, Dude.

            My viewpoints aren’t biased. Well, that is to say, no biased than anyone else’s (bais is unavoidable). What would bias my opinion that he didn’t play well with us, and most people saw him leave and said, “It’s a shame he never worked out.”

            He was considered another Doug Wickenheiser.

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • kalevine says:

            I remember during the first round loss to the Bruins in 1994, in Game 7, after a specific play, the French announcers said something like “well, this is an example of why John LecLair will never amount to anything”. So there is hindsight that can make you look like a geius, and their is foresight, that can make you look like an idiot

  20. Mattyleg says:

    (still not getting any topless women in the You Might Also Like section. Clearly HI/O does not know what I Also Like. Burly, did you get paid off to generate clicks on the refresh button?)

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  21. SmartDog says:

    Congratulations to the Ottawa RedBlacks, the newest CFL team!

    I know the name sucks. But that’s what you get when you hire a government think-tank to find a name for you. Here is the TOP SECRET…

    LIST OF TOP 10 OTHER OTTAWA NAME FINALISTS:
    (along with margin notes!)
    1. The WhiteBlacks (too confusing because of referees)
    2. The Ottawa Eskimos (damn! taken! but that didn’t stop us before)
    3. The Ottawa FeetandHands
    4. The Ottawa CatchdaBall (that’s what they do)
    5. The Senators (taken by NHL team)
    6. The WhiteButts
    7. The Progressive-Conservatives (available now)
    8. The Forward-Backwards (like #7 but more subtle)
    9. The Ottawa O (O stands for “Ottawa”. Get it?)
    10. The Ottawa Americans (cause that’s where all the players come from)

    ————————————-
    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

  22. adamkennelly says:

    watching the game last night – I quickly realized that Hawks and Kings are much better than the Habs – and the reason is very straightforward. They have better players – and a lot of them.

    • Mattyleg says:

      Watching the game last night I quickly realized that the Habs could have competed with either of those teams.

      And I laughed to myself about people who would be saying “These teams are better than the Habs” because they are able to watch them objectively.

      Thanks for proving me right!
      Heh heh.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • adamkennelly says:

        better as in better…its not subjective…Habs have no one on the team as good as Towes, Kane, Keith, Seabrook etc. by comparison….forgetting about future worth – talking right now…additionally – the extra pieces are better as well…Hossa is prolly better than any of our forwards.

        • Mattyleg says:

          What?
          ‘Better’ is always objective. It’s the nature of the word.

          Habs have players that are just as good as those ones when they’re playing well.
          And no, Hossa is not better than any of our forwards, prolly or not.

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • adamkennelly says:

            examples please….players on the Habs who are better than Towes, Kane, Keith and lets toss Hossa in for good measure…and don’t tell me Pleks or Gally or Pax cause its simply not true at this point in time.

            PK would be the only conceivable example and he is not really better than Keith.

            when I say better I mean BETTER..like Kate Upton is better than Katie Couric….

      • GrosBill says:

        I understand what you are saying Matty but is it really a big deal to think some or all of the final four are better than the Habs?

        Aside from already showing they are at the top right now by being amongst the final four, they are also the four previous cup winners.

        Is it really outrageous to admit they may have a better team than the habs at the moment? The Habs had a good regular season, and I am happy with that. Did the success in the shortened season immediatley make me think we went from 15th in the east to contenders? No. Do I think we can compete? Yes. Likely to win a seven game series vs one of these four? No.

        I appreciate your optimism and wish I shared it Matty. I personally feel we may be on the right track but there is still some work to be done to the roster. It is just my opinion, not a new one, an opinion I hope changes over the next two to four years.

        But of course I can only have this opinion because I can only now watch hockey objectively since it is not the Habs.

        heh heh.

        No excuses!

    • SmartDog says:

      Better by what measure? Size? Skill? Determination? Talent? Don’t you know none of that matters! What’s the Coris on that?

      ————————————-
      Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • habsfan0 says:

      Who’s better than DD on either the Kings or the Hawks?

  23. frontenac1 says:

    Baseball players on The Juice and lying about it? You’re kidding. Shocking!

  24. Sportfan says:

    Biogenesis take right here, man I wish the steroid stuff in baseball would just go away…

    http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/06/05/biogenesis-fallout-suspensions-to-follow/

  25. frontenac1 says:

    Redblack? Jonhny Walker the sponsor?Should be Ottawa Roughriders.Saludos!

  26. SmartDog says:

    Coupla thoughts:

    1. KEITH SUSPENDED? The NHL is the only league in the world where you could intentionally whack a guy in the face with a stick and whether this is suspendible would be “a discussion”. (And it won’t happen.)
    2. PRICE. I STRONGLY predict Price will be excellent next year with a new goalie coach. He’s a headcase sure but a curable one – and a great goalie under that.
    3. DOES ANYONE KNOW? Is it public knowledge that Eliot Friedman does not like PJ Stock? Friedman is good and also seems very balanced but I heard some jabs at PJ that surprised me?

    ————————————-
    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • 24 Cups says:

      PJ Stock is in way over his head on HNIC. MacLean tries to give him cover but to no avail. Friedman can’t mask his contempt for Stock’s stupidity while Weekes just smiles and bides his time until he can say something intelligent and meaningful.

      If anyone at the CBC has a half a brain, they should quickly realize that Weekes is the rising star, not Stock.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        Their target audience is the Canadian hockey fan.

        • Cal says:

          That doesn’t necessarily mean they’re speaking to morons. Stock is a moron.

          • habsfan0 says:

            Why does Stock always get the seat next to MacLean?That is arguably,the most prominent(visible)seat on the panel.
            Stock should be made to sit in the corner(away from the desk,that is)
            A dunce cap on him would also be appropriate.

      • New says:

        I suspect people on CBC do have half a brain but it is also apparent that PJ is with the wrong group there. Likely cheaper for CBC and a sign of things to come.

    • Luke says:

      1) yes. Ridiculous. Carter should have been given 2 for slashing and Keith should have gotten 5 and a game + a handful more for intentionally whacking a guy in the face with his stick. (face may or may not have been the target, but he intended to hit him high with his stick, and he hit him in the face).

      2) Hope so. I like Price.

      3) I think Friedman gets riled because PJ hollers and stamps his feet, seems to have very little to say or to back up his opinions which only makes him talk louder. He has a tendancy to talk over panel members when they are making counter points and is dismissive of anyone who disagrees. I’ve noticed a few others on the panel are starting to call him out and cut him off as well. He’s like a high school kid arguing in the cafeteria. Friedman is a professional who has discussion.

    • Strummer says:

      Friedman is an experienced reporter and journo who has to share a panel with an ex-goon and brain-dead Stock so there are bound to be frustrations for Elliotte.

      ______________________________________________________
      “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

    • Cal says:

      Carter should be suspended for slashing Keith’s BARE HAND as he was reaching to get his glove. He’s lucky Keith didn’t jump him and pound the ever-loving shit out of him.

  27. Mattyleg says:

    Oh Man,
    Did anyone see this?
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2013/06/04/f-red-blacks-sports-branding.html

    Apparently, the new name for the Ottawa CFL franchise is going to be….

    wait for it…

    The ‘RedBlacks’

    Now, maybe it’s just me, maybe I’m not visionary enough… but that sounds like someone’s 6-year-old came up with that name.

    Much like my friend’s little brother when we were kids wanted to name their new dog “Walkthedogonthesidewalkandaroundthepark”

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  28. frontenac1 says:

    Hola Amigos! What’s with all the face washing and stick work? Play hockey or Drop your frikkin Mitts!

  29. HabinBurlington says:

    Thankfully for us hockey fans, we don’t have to worry about hockey players taking PED’s. Clearly this is just a baseball, football and cycling problem. :)

    • Strummer says:

      Interesting to me it seems most of the PED offenders in baseball are Latino’s.
      What’s up wid’ dat?

      ______________________________________________________
      “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

      • HabinBurlington says:

        I think that is purely a coincidence as the clinic which was busted was located in South Florida in a very Latin community.

        • Strummer says:

          It will be an interesting story as participants start spilling their guts

          ______________________________________________________
          “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

      • New says:

        Only way out of Dodge is to make it big. Otherwise you beg for a job cleaning the stables and are thankful to get it. The stable is usually owned by an ex-MLB player.

  30. Kooch7800 says:

    Wow, LA plays so different at home then on the road this year. I think the series may be 2-2 going back to chi -town

    “Keep your stick on the Ice”

  31. Mustang says:

    The NHL playoffs have always been considered to be another season but now they seem to have absolutely no resemblance to the regular season. By that I mean what is considered legal or illegal by the refs. Half the time during the regular season, I (and most others) have to wait until a penalty is announced in order to figure out what has been called. Some times I cannot even see the infraction after viewing 2 or 3 replays. Now in the playoffs, everything goes. The players are hacking at each other like lumber jacks and almost nothing is called.

    What gives? Should the same rules not be applied during the playoffs? I can understand the refs wanting to give the players a bit more slack but how can they possibly justify the difference between the way they call the regular season games and the playoffs?

    • hdcase says:

      I actually like the present system and it makes sense to me. I love playoff hockey because it is so wide open and the refs try to take a back seat. One of the best games I’ve ever seen was a couple of years ago when the Bruins won the Stanley Cup. In the seventh game of the Tampa/Boston series, the refs put their whistles away and “let the boys play”. It was just great end to end action with both teams ripping off one great play after another.

      That being said, you can’t call a regular season game like that because first, the players can’t and won’t play that wide open game night after night and second, too many people would get hurt.

      Also, I think the refs have to clamp down when a game gets out of hand. It’s frustrating if your team gets called for something that wasn’t a penalty earlier in the game but as long as the calls go both ways, both teams just have to be smart enough and controlled enough to realize the refs are now looking for calls. It’s also been my experience that the refs will loudly warn both benches that enough is enough.

      hdcase

      • Mustang says:

        My real beef is with the rediculous calls made during the regular season. No one except the ref knows what has been called until the penalty is announced over the PA system.

  32. HabinBurlington says:

    What is HI/O coming to! I just saw a link to a lady with no shirt on, on the “You Might Also Like” feature.

  33. PrimeTime says:

    You build a great team from the inside, not target the “headline” player of the week. Last week posers here wanted Quick, then Horton. This week it’s Bickell. Geez, they’re not even in the finals yet ! It’s called “DEVELOPMENT”

    • Habfan10912 says:

      I agree PT and I think Bergevin does as well. Free agents should be used to supplement your team, not build it. The Rangers are a great example if the failure of that formula. Build from within.

  34. commandant says:

    Tristan Jarry, a goaltender with the Edmonton Oil Kings comes in at 54.

    http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/06/05/tristan-jarry-2013-nhl-draft-player-profile-54/

    Go Habs Go!
    Your 2013 NHL Draft Headquarters, Now Open.
    http://lastwordonsports.com/

    • 24 Cups says:

      This is the ticket that the Habs could punch with their own 2nd round pick (56th?).

    • Habfan17 says:

      Unless the Habs can trade some players that aren’t in their plans for extra 2nd and 3rd round picks, I would wait until the 5th round and possibly grab a goalie then. They just signed Condon and the need for more gritty players and some size on the backend is more pressing and a true sniper would be great. With players like Heatherington, Pesce, and Sanford available in this area, I would wait. Maybe the Habs get lucky and Zykov will be available with their first pick in the 2nd round. Dahlstrom, Baptiste and Hayden would be nice in the 3rd round.

      Habfan17

  35. Ian Cobb says:

    Fell asleep last night with the score 1 to 0.
    I looked on HIO here to see who won the game, and nothing!!!
    So tell me please!

  36. habstrinifan says:

    Repost!
    Everything I see about Bickell pleases me. Big, quiet leader on the ice, capable, heady….

    I really think this is one time MB Canadiens gotta step up and get in the game… try as hard as they can. Throw some caution to the wind.. somewhat.

    SO…
    I agree with ‘overpaying’ some. I dont think he will take $3mill OVER 7 years as suggested in previous thread… too low dollars.
    I will go as high as 4.5 (maybe even 5) over 3 years if he takes it and it gets hime here. More money is what will do it I think.

    Funny John LeClair is the marquee player in today’s recall. Bickell kinda reminds me of him.

  37. Maritime Ron says:

    Watching last night’s game, or even the other playoff games, it becomes clear that playoff hockey is so completely different from the season…especially what goes on in front of the net, and MOST importantly, how the refs call the game.

    Battles galore including cross checks, maulings, slashes, high slicks and as was in the past, almost no penalty calls unless a pure scoring chance is taken away.
    Big or strong forwards fighting for position in front of the net, while big or strong Dmen try to move them out.

    If this will be the trend forever to come, a quick small D with a quick small Top 6 can survive a season and can actually look good, but are completely ill-suited for how playoff hockey is played and called by the refs……

    • commandant says:

      Its all about Heart, and Wanting to stand in front of the net. The type of player who is willing to take the punishment in front of the net. Look at the guy who was the absolute best at this, Tomas Holmstrom, who was 6’0″ not exactly a giant compared to some of the D men he went against.

      On our team the forward that did the most in front of the net was Gallagher. We need another guy with the willingness to take the punishment and keep going to the front of the net.

      Go Habs Go!
      Your 2013 NHL Draft Headquarters, Now Open.
      http://lastwordonsports.com/

      • Cal says:

        I beg to differ. The NHL playoffs is all about the NHL rulebook being a big bleeping joke. Why do they have to throw away the rulebook come playoff time? Why does the league want goon hockey? Why does the league employ goons in their “discipline” department?
        I want the games to be hard fought, BUT FAIR. This is a league WHERE CHEATERS PROSPER. This is a league that accepts its skilled players being assaulted and does NOTHING to fix it.

        • habstrinifan says:

          There is weak officiating. But what you also see is equally big bodies throwing themselves against each other and maintaining position and ‘line’. Commandant’s point is well taken re Gallagher’s heart, But Gallagher future even if he remains absolutely healthy, will in the long run very quickly deteriorate into the marginal return area UNLESS he is one ‘relatively small’ forward within a group of bigger and capable bodies. This season gave us a hint of how exhausting his work will be if the status quo remains.

        • JF says:

          You’re right, but since it doesn’t look like changing any time soon, we have to adapt to it. We need guys who are willing to park themselves in front of the net and take the punishment, but we also need more size, especially on defence. Remember Game 4 against Ottawa? Our smaller Dmen were unable to hold their positions in front of the net and prevent the Senators banging away until the puck ended up behind Price. And a smaller team will be victimized more than a big team by all the dirty stuff that goes on in the playoffs. We thought the Sens got away with all kinds of crap against us. So they did; but the only answer is to be able to both absorb it and dish it out ourselves.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Holmstrom was a very strong legged 6’0″ forward, yes heart is imperative, but when a defenceman who is 6’2″ 225 is pushing Gallagher even with his Bionic heart, he still gets moved. And then the goalie can see the shot.

      • Maritime Ron says:

        Gallagher is a beast in a small body, but he cannot do it alone. Surely you noticed that as time went on, he was targeted as one of the few Habs willing to pay that price…and he did pay with a physical pounding.

        No one could question the heart of Gallagher, yet several other teams have heart and soul players/Dmen that are bigger and stronger and over 25 or so tough playoff games, that usually wins out.
        Gallagher cannot be the sole forward to do that or he will continue to be targeted. If so, his career will be short.

    • habstrinifan says:

      Biggest impression I am coming away with is how different our HABS need to be. I may get slammed but geez I think we have to seriously look at Plekanec, Gionta, White, as ‘need upgrade and upgradeable’ positions.

      • Strummer says:

        I like Plex- give him a couple of big wingers and he’ll do well.

        Look at Datsyuk when he had Holmstron and Zetterberg.

        ______________________________________________________
        “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

  38. According to Capgeek.com it shows a cap space of 6,657,857.00 left. Presently the Habs have 20 signed with 3 positions opened.
    10 – F
    8 – D
    2- G

    Will MB make a roster move or two during or after the draft? Lets say BG, AE are on LTIR to start season and Habs are down to 18. The way it looks is the Habs have 4 positions up for grabs at forward.

    Do MB buyout TK and leave team with 6 D and 1 on LTIR. So it will put the cap over 9m. That would leave about 5m to signed a couple of UFA’s. One or two of the following should be given considerations.

    Bickell
    Torres
    Bordeleau
    McCormick
    Labrie
    Deveaux
    Foster

    • Maritime Ron says:

      Perhaps the 1st question is do any of those players actually want to play in Montreal.

      The follow up question becomes how much do we have to overpay to arrive at equal after tax net income compared to other tax friendly jurisdictions such as Florida, Tennessee, Texas, Carolina…
      According to a KPMG study last year, to get to equal net income of a $4M Florida salary, Montreal would have to offer $5M.

      There are also family situations.
      While our management team did a great job of targeting Prust and going hard after him – and while the general consensus was a small overpayment and term, would he have signed here if his partner was a Boston/NY/Washington media personality instead of a Quebec Francophone media personality?

  39. habstrinifan says:

    I am reading Red Fisher article on the 1993 game 3 and am shocked by how really solid the team was.. as he rattles off the names .

    So simple question.

    If you had to a choice.. no substitutions.. you get to play next season with our 1993 team or with the team we played 2012-2013 with.

    I’ll even give you Markov is two years ‘healthier’. And I’l even give you Cole is not traded yet. Gallagher everyone else is on board.

    Which team do you take?

    I think the 1993 team could beat Boston today… just my opinion.

  40. habstrinifan says:

    Good Morning.
    If you have ever lived or worked extensively in some 3rd World areas you would know how pervasive and pernicious corruption is in governmental and regulatory institutions.

    The Rob Ford video, its sudden disappearance etc may be a sign that Toronto is going down that path. I lived in Toronto for over 36 years. Hate the Leafs but love the city and always proud of the legacy of great mayors. There was Sewell, the ‘little mayor’ whose name I forget; Miller etc. But that seems to de a thing of the past.

    Montrealers may not like this and my remark stems mainly from perception based on the media stories. But Toronto always seemed ‘clean’ municipal government wise compared to Montreal.

    In fact the trend today is not cleaner and more responsible government, but more questionable and borderline government at every level, in both Canada and the USA.

    Sad!

  41. Maritime Ron says:

    It appears one of HIO’s favourite UFAs Patrick Bordeleau has been ‘offered’ a 3 year/$1M per year contract to resign in Colorado. He has not signed anything as of this moment. It will be interesting to see if he declines and waits until July 5th, or take ‘the bird in the hand.’ That’s still a lot of guaranteed money for a young man that earned $50K 2 years ago and a pro rated NHL minimum of $ 525K this past year.
    —————————–
    My $2 bet for next goalie coach is Sherbrooke Quebec born Stephane Waite currently the goalie coach with the Chicago Black Hawks.
    Waite has been in Chicago since 2004, and Bergevin knows him well from his 2005-2012 time there. Dudley was also with the Hawks from 2004-09

    Word out is that Waite did a good job with Niemi, and had a lot to do with a great rebound season by Corey Crawford.
    After the 2012 season, Waite made the following comments about Crawford:
    ” The important thing is that we know why he had some problems and we will make sure it does not happen again.”
    There was no elaboration of what those ‘problems’ may have been, yet Crawford is playing outstanding.

    His playoff .938 SP and 1.70 GAA is basically tied for the best with Jonathan Quick. For the season, he was 6th in SP and 2nd in GAA in the entire NHL.

    Waite sounds like the type of guy we could use in Montreal.
    Only 2 factors in the way.
    Does his contract terminate this year, and would he actually want to leave Chicago?

  42. HabinBurlington says:

    Morning Folks! Looks like L.A. isn’t going away quietly.

  43. habstrinifan says:

    You wrecked your analysis, so to speak, by being myopic re Price’s contribution to Price’s inconsistencies.

    Of course our defense needs upgrade. Of course our forwards sometimes dont uphold their defensive responsibilities.

    Hopefully both those items will be addressed and improved.

    Now I’ll let you fill in the blank in the next sentence.

    Of course _________ must, as his GM says, be better. Hopefully this item will be adressed and improved by the steps taken by the organization and the steps taken by _________.

    Now isn’t that a better blueprint for going forward?


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