1992-93 Habs season flashback: Nordiques take Round 1 of Battle of Quebec

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As we wait and hope for an end to the NHL lockout, Canadiens fans can relive the 1992-93 season – the last year the Habs won the Stanley Cup – at HIO as we post game stories from that season.

The Habs took a 14-4-2  record into a game against the Nordiques in Quebec City on Nov. 19, 1992. Here is Red Fisher’s story from that game.

For Habs fans looking to relive the Montreal-Quebec rivalry, RDS will televise Game 7 of the 1987 Stanley Cup playoff series between the Canadiens and Nordiques at 7:30 p.m. on Tuesday.

Hard work pays off for Nordiques; Win round one of Battle of Quebec without goalie Hextall

RED FISHER
THE GAZETTE

NORDIQUES 4
CANADIENS 3

QUEBEC – Strange, isn’t it, how on a night when a team doesn’t have it, the words “killer instinct” are used over and over again.

“Where was it?” wondered Kirk Muller, after last night’s 4-3 Canadiens loss to the Quebec Nordiques in what was to have been The Battle of Quebec – but wasn’t. “What happened to our killer instinct?”

“We were up two,” Brian Bellows said, “and didn’t go after three. We played it soft. No killer instinct.”

“We were back on our heels in the last two periods – or at least after our second goal early in the second,” Mathieu Schneider said. “The last two periods, heck, most of them were played in our zone.”

There are a lot of reasons why the Canadiens left this city with only their second loss in their last 16 games, and one of them may have been the missing killer instinct. What’s certain, though, is that the Canadiens owned the first period and a tiny part of the second, as Stephan Lebeau scored the first of his two on the night. After that, most of it belonged to the Nordiques. They worked harder, longer … and won it – the hard way.

The hard way is winning without Ron Hextall, who was a late scratch. It’s coming from behind an 0-2 deficit. It’s Stephane Fiset allowing no more than two goals while his associates were spending time trying to find their way to the high-quality game they’ve been playing thus far this season.

J.J. Daigneault and Lebeau were the Canadiens’ goal-scorers early in each of the first two periods. After that, starting from the moment Martin Rucinsky beat Patrick Roy with a power-play goal, the Nordiques found it – and the Canadiens largely lost it.

For those of you who may have come in late, Canadiens personnel have been getting a message in recent days.

“Hey, chaps, it’s nice we’re winning a lot of games, but we can’t keep playing this dangerous game,” coach Jacques Demers had been saying – and properly so. “We can’t give up leads to the other teams the way we have. Got that?”

Somebody down there, starting with Daigneault and Lebeau, must have been listening. Unhappily, though, it was for only a little more than a period, because Owen Nolan’s goal late in the second period sent the teams into the dressing room locked up, 2-2. Then, Joe Sakic and Scott Young scored quickly with fewer than three minutes gone in the third – and this one was gone even though Lebeau lifted the Canadiens to within one midway through the third.

For a while last night, while the Canadiens went about the business of doing what their kindly ol’ coach asked them to, it seemed to be a matter of the Canadiens being that good and the Nordiques substantially less than what they were reading about themselves in the papers. Or it could have been Hextall’s absence. The goaltender wasn’t dressed because he hadn’t slept well the last couple of days out of concern for a sister, who’s ill.

All that’s certain, though, is that the team which fell behind 1-0 a hair beyond two minutes into the game, didn’t live up to its notices. The Nordiques didn’t get their first shot until nearly eight minutes into the game. By that time, the Canadiens had their goal from Daigneault on the second of six shots.

It’s true that Roy was tested fairly severely on the first two Quebec shots – the first a giveaway by a Canadiens defender. On the other hand, he was exceptional in spots during the second period. He was soft on the Young goal in the third period, but in truth, Roy wasn’t getting much help from his friends.

Strange game, in a way.

Long before this first regular-season meeting at the summit, the Canadiens seemed more than ready for this one. For example, when the team bus left for the Colisee, only one-half of the players were on it. Others had left earlier. Anxious to get at it, it seems.

They played that way, as well, with Daigneault getting the goal only two minutes into the game. They played that way right up to the Lebeau goal 1:44 into the second period and then … The Case of the Dreaded Missing Instinct!

“They’ve got some terrific players, and they showed up when we went ahead 2-0,” Muller said, “But maybe we made them look that way. We let ‘em come to us, and you can’t do that with any team.”

 

177 Comments

  1. JohnBellyful says:

    It’s been a few months since the Whatchamacallits from Someplace Else won the Stanley Cup and if you’re like me, in your dotage, it’s getting harder every day to remember what hockey actually is, in the absence of any NHL games being played (apart from the ones taking place at the bargaining table).
    So I’ve scoured the Internet for sources of information about hockey which I’ll post periodically to keep our collective memory of the NHL alive.
    Let’s begin with the basics, dealing with a subjectold-timers might find of interest.

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  3. JohnBellyful says:

    Here’s an interesting link

  4. JohnBellyful says:

    With the CBA talks dragging on between Bettman and Fehr, we’ve finally got an answer to that age-old question: What happens when an immovable object meets an immovable object? They meet, of course.
    What else did you expect?

  5. HabFab says:

    RenLavoieRDS – Don Fehr:”we are going to think about what was said and think about our next step.”

  6. HabFab says:

    RenLavoieRDS – NHL CBA talks are done for the night.

    45 minutes…YIKES!

  7. Hobie Hansen says:

    In regards to the poll question; I do believe there will be a season but wouldn’t care if there wasn’t.

  8. frontenac1 says:

    Interesting argument this morning on the NHL network on Sirius XM. Yeah, it usually is a propaganda rag, but recently they have been opening it up a bit to some independant bloggers . The word from the corporate reporters is pretty uniform , legalese , while the Bloggers are saying there is serious damage in most of the weak markets . Those half filled arenas before the lockout are in big, long term problems because nobody really gives a sh*t about the lockout. So really, could this be THE BIG story here. What does all this bullsh*t really mean if the “Sunbelt Experiment” is a fraud? How long will it continue and what do the strong Franchises think? Will there be a total re-alignment in the power structure? Are we now starting to see some jockeying with the owners? Damn, too much to process on too little booze.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Okay so in light of no NHL hockey, I will take your thoughts and go full blown conspiracy theory.

      The owners know they need to contract 2-4 Sunbelt teams, but before contracting them they use these teams as a crutch in order to get a better deal out of the players. Then after they get their deal (new CBA) they start chopping out these weak franchises and the teams start making money hand over fist. Then when that isn’t enough money for them, they start selling new expansion franchises to other markets.

  9. Mike D says:

    Wishing Spatcho all the best and a happy retirement! He deserved to go out on a better note than with a lockout.

    – Honestly yours
    Twitter: @de_benny

  10. HabFab says:

    Dave_Stubbs – Suspended himself? RT @drosennhl: Brendan Shanahan is not in the meeting tonight but he is in the building burning midnight oil.

  11. Ron says:

    As per Dreger, Shanahan is also part of the NHL reps at the meeting. If any player gets out of hand he is going to hand out game suspensions to be relagated to the season start up if it ever begins.

  12. JohnBellyful says:

    I am jacked! Went to the Giant Tiger tonight and guess what I found on sale: a NHL Countdown Calendar, with 32 chocolate days!
    That pretty well cinches it, the lockdown, I mean the lockout, will be over in little more than a month.
    Whew, I was getting worried there. I didn’t think there’d be a season at all.
    And don’t tell me the calendar was probably planned months ago in foolish anticipation of a season being played. I prefer to believe the NHL has passed the word along to its corporate clients that a CBA is about to be signed, so they can go ahead with their sales campaigns and promotions.
    The player’s union is on board with it. You buy the calendar, the NHLPA will throw in a towel.

  13. Bripro says:

    Jacobs, Edwards, Leonsis, and Burke are representing the owners.
    Surprise!

    Brooks Orpik, Brad Richards, Marc Staal, Martin St. Louis & Dan Winnik are some of the players. 18 in all.

    I hope Marty decks any one (or more) of them!

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    “I’m here to tell you: Gary Bettman hasn’t felt this alive since he killed Harry Potter’s parents.”

    • Bill J says:

      Burke? Why is a non owner representing the owners?

      I mean surely they could have found one other owner…. They have a few don’t they?

      Go Habs Go!

      • HabinBurlington says:

        I am no fan of Burke but his past experience working with NHL head office is probably a factor. Also he is American, so that is good because the league seems to want to keep Canadians away from any positions of real influence.

        • Bill J says:

          Maybe, but to me it’s like as if the players sent the water boy into the negotiations…. There’s some pretty experienced water boys in the NHL ya know.


          Go Habs Go!

          • HabinBurlington says:

            I think it is safe to assume that Burke is extremely loyal to Bettman from his days at head office. Bettman wants people in there to run his agenda, perhaps he knows some other owners wouldn’t necessarily follow the Bettman agenda.

          • Bill J says:

            :D, sound assumption.

            Just proves how much of a weasel Bobblehead is.


            Go Habs Go!

  14. Bill J says:

    To all the fans who believe the owners have the players by the “privates” so to speak, and that eventually the players will take what the owners give them?

    A few things to ponder.

    . The KHL was in its infancy during the last lockout, it’s established now. And offering very good salaries to players who want to play.
    . Twitter didn’t exist last time, much easier to share ones thoughts nowadays, and some fans have a very large audience listening. Add retweets, and within 45 seconds 4Billion people can know how “per Ian White, Gary Bobblehead is an idiot”

    M point being, the owners perceived position of power no longer exists, things aren’t going to go as easily as last time. It’s time for the owners to pay for their own mistakes, and suck it up for the good of the game.


    Go Habs Go!

    • HabFab says:

      Ain’t happening buddy…death before dishonor is their motto.

      And I’m sorry but “for the good of the game” doesn’t exist in either of these jerks vocabulary.

      • Mr. Biter says:

        Well said. Just glad the NHL is not Hostess. Their best customer puts them into bankruptcy.
        If strike ends the season is there any chance the owners begin 2013 with replacement players or threatens to do so?

        Mr. Biter
        No Guts No Glory

    • Ozmodiar says:

      /snicker
      Got it. Ian White’s name calling will turn the tide in these negotiations. Makes sense. As much sense as 4 billion people being tuned in to what Ian White has to say. :)

      The NHL owns the league and team brands, and can pay the 800 players more than any other league in the world. Also, while we wait, the owners are still making money with other endeavours while most players have no income.

      Ponder that.

      • Bill J says:

        Happy with yourself?

        Ponder how I was clearly exaggerating, and you spent this much time reading way too much into it.

        Oh and the players? They are well informed, and have set aside money, those who didn’t are working in the KHL or can if they want. They are not starving, ponder that as well.


        Go Habs Go!

  15. piper says:

    I’ll never forget that sucker punch from Sleger. Trembley has to take some blame on that one for distracting Humel.

    • Psycho29 says:

      I was actually at that game live in ’84

      They replayed that game on RDS Friday, and between periods they had Sleigher and Tremblay live in studio. They both shared great laughs about the brawl in 1984. Sleigher and Tremblay both said they’ve never heard as loud a sound as when Sleigher suckered Hamel.
      It was very uncomfortable listening to them ‘reminiscing’ together.

    • ABHabsfan says:

      99% of bad things that happen to the Habs in the past 40 years are Tremblays fault! 1% good- he scored a nice goal against Hartford in ’85

      “man, I love winnin'; you know, it’s like better than losin’?”-
      Ebby Calvin “Nuke” Laloosh

  16. HabFab says:

    DarrenDreger – No proposals coming from the PA, but, players are going in hoping for flexibility and sound willing to listen closely to ideas to close gap. If tonights meeting ends quickly it will be clear neither side is willing to bend more than it already has. Good group of players attending. On the wknd, Daly suggested the NHL is willing to move on contractual hurdles, but, not until core economics are clearly defined.

  17. HabFab says:

    RenLavoieRDS – Chez les propriétaires, Jacobs, Edwards, Leonsis, et Burke seront sur place.

  18. HabFab says:

    This makes about 4 so far.

    nhlupdate – Jaroslav Spacek retires

  19. Ian Cobb says:

    HELP A PLAYER PLEASE! Let them know you CARE.!
    YOU MUST RESPOND TO THIS AS A TRUE FAN NOW!!!

    http://www.youtube.com/embed/GhnvKzA-6WY

    • Bill J says:

      What’s funnier then a fan bashing the players with videos like this? A fan who posts videos like this defending the BILLIONAIRE owners.

      Oh btw Ian, remember last week when you said Bettman has the full support of every single owner? That was BS, sources say as many as 15 owners are starting to talk about having Bettman fired. Doesn’t sound like “full support”, In fact it sounds like they are very much divided in what they think of the BobbleHead commish.


      Go Habs Go!

      • HabFab says:

        What sources?

        • Bill J says:

          Ha! I’ll release mine when Ian releases his.

          I will says this, Snyder out of Philly is the one leading the movement.


          Go Habs Go!

          • HabFab says:

            I wouldn’t put money on that.

          • GrimJim says:

            Do mean this Snyder…
            Snider later issued a statement disputing the Daily News column.

            “An article appearing in today’s Philadelphia Daily News is absolutely erroneous,” Snider said. “I am a solid supporter of National Hockey League Commissioner Gary Bettman and the League in this unfortunate situation.

            “Like all fans, players, owners and League officials, I am extremely hopeful that an agreement can be reached and we can eventually be playing hockey again soon. League rules prevent me and all owners from making any comments on the labor negotiations. I will continue to honor that and not make any further comments.”

          • Bill J says:

            No worries, wouldn’t ask you to.

            Ultimately regardless of who you want to support, not one fan knows the entire story. When I read that “full support” post last week, I nearly replied…. But didn’t, today seeing Ian offering this admittedly funny video… Well I remembered what Ian said, and I could not help myself but to reply.

            Do I think players salaries are fair? Not really! But that doesn’t mean owners have the right to lock them out till the players accept a pay cut.

            People have said “new CBA means the owners can do that” . Then why have length of term in contracts? All contracts should become null and void when a CBA ends, oh and all players become UFA’s when the CBA ends. Insanity. The owners created the financial mess they are in, twice now in less then a decade. It’s a farce! The owners now want the players to pay for the owners idiocy in managing their money? WTF?

            7 years ago, as a fan I understood why it was good for the game that the players suck it up and take some losses. This year? While I still think the players should concede things (so far they’ve conceded 1Billion$ in this years negotiating). What have the owners conceded? Nothing! How is that negotiating?

            Owners tactic is bully the players till the owners get their way, it’s what happened 7 years ago. The players smartened up, and got Fehr…someone who is reputed as not bending over for the owners benefit, I’m thinking this time the players are not backing down as easily as they did 7 years ago…. If the owners don’t budge, we will be missing more then just one season.


            Go Habs Go!

          • Bill J says:

            GrimJim: yes that Snyder, the one who doesn’t want to be paying a 1 million dollar fine for being caught speaking his mind.


            Go Habs Go!

          • HabFab says:

            Am so tired of this crap myself.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Very funny Ian. Thanks for the laugh.

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    • Cal says:

      Brings a tear to my eyes every time I see it. Thanks for the laugh, Ian! :D

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Have to assume that was done by a huge Luongo fan! Now we just need a similar video produced showing the cost to support an owner. I don’t dispute it’s funny but owners and players both deserve such treatment. In fact an owner like Jacobs even more so.

  20. Timo says:

    NHL players speak – it’s like Dumb and Dumber all over again.

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=409856

    • Habfan10912 says:

      If the players think this helps their cause in the eyes of the public they are sadly mistaken. The public is sick and tired of these types of PR stunts. Put your big boy pants on you spoiled rotten brats and get a deal done!

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  21. HabFab says:

    Serious has his latest prospect report out.

  22. Ron says:

    McKenzie tweets that because of the lockout, Kraft has cancelled their Hockeyville promotion. Instead they will donate 1 mil to minor hockey associations across Canada. Good for Kraft. Nice to see them continue to put up money even though they can’t sponsor their yearly hockey project.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      Tax write off but you are right it is nice of them to still put money into hockey.

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

      • Ron says:

        Tax write off for sure but alot of small communities across Canada participated in this yearly and made it a big effort that brought many people out in those communities. Was good to see so many work together with hopes of winning the honor of being Hockeyville. Hopefully next year the project can continue.

        • Bripro says:

          I wonder if the CBC will try to pick up the community selection, and go through their annual ritual.
          It would be a real ratings grabber.

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          “I’m here to tell you: Gary Bettman hasn’t felt this alive since he killed Harry Potter’s parents.”

  23. Bripro says:

    Making up for lost time…

    Hockey Frustration Song no. 22

    Cue the music! (Chris de Burgh, Spanish Train)

    When the hockey games were played between
    Our glory Habs and more of skill,
    And during the night the whistle blew,
    And refs make sure of the game’s thrill.

    Then Bettman took his wish too deep,
    Locked the doors, that little creep,
    From what is said that the season is dead
    Fills Twitterville, ten thousand deep!!

    Well our new GM lay crying with his people by his side,
    Exempt from the league’s lying, forced on hold before he tried,
    But above his head just a-waiting for the dread,
    Was the Devil with a twinkle in his eye,
    “Well I’m God abound, and look what I’ve found,
    This Fehr’s mine!!”

    Just then the fans began to stir, in seeing the game’s plight
    And shouted at the Devil, “Get thee game back on tonight!!”
    But the Butthead grinned and said “I may have sinned,
    But there’s no need to push me around,
    I know who’s first, and for who hockey thirsts,
    There’s none playing in any town!!”

    “But I think I’ll give Fehr one more chance”
    Said the Devil with a smile,
    “So disregard the players’ stance,
    If only for a while”,
    “Jostling is the name, Lying is the game,
    We’ll play right here in fans’ heads,
    And then we’ll fight for the biggest stakes yet,
    What all of you dread!!”

    And I said “Look out, Don, He’s going to win,
    The game is gone and no one’s skating in,
    His agenda is on time, many games are on the line,
    C’mon! He’s going to win!..”

    Well Bettman’s gopher he tried real hard
    Poor Daley and Fehr II going live,
    And for the fans he was praying hard
    Or Bettman’s ass he would high five.

    Still Bettman strutted his stuff like a little king,
    As for Fehr, he was trying to play it straight,
    With both fans and players sending it in spades,
    He couldn’t agree in such a state.

    And then the Fehr he called for one more round,
    As he drew the players’ wrath,
    And Bettman said to poor old Don,
    “I think you’re on the wrong path,
    Tell us your wish for the time has come
    To see who pockets the round and saves face”.
    But as he spoke, the sneaky little toad,
    He threw him out’ the place!

    Two thousand twelve was the opening bid,
    Ready to kiss the season “‘bye!”
    But Fehr didn’t see what the Butthead did,
    And he said “That proposal’s mine”,
    “I’ll teach you why it’s me they hire,
    And forever put an end to your sins”,
    But Bettman let out a mighty belch: “My way wiiiiiiins!!!”

    And I said “Look out, Don, He’s going to win,
    The game is gone and no one’s skating in,
    His agenda’s still on time, many games are on the line,
    C’mon! He’s going to win!..”

    When those old games were played between
    Our glory Habs and men of skill,
    And while we knew that the whistles blew,
    As all fans followed our own game’s thrill.

    And far away from our local quest
    As many play KHL or Czech,
    Butthead still cheats and wins more rounds,
    And as for Don Fehr, well, he’s just doing his best…

    And I said “Look out, Don, He’s going to win,
    The game is gone and no one’s skating in,
    His agenda’s still on time, all my games are on the line,
    Christ, Don! You’ve got to win!..”

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    “I’m here to tell you: Gary Bettman hasn’t felt this alive since he killed Harry Potter’s parents.”

    • HabFab says:

      Don’t you find it embarrassing kissing old Don’s derriere?

      • Bripro says:

        :D
        Well, staying neutral hasn’t gotten us anywhere…

        *********************************************
        “I’m here to tell you: Gary Bettman hasn’t felt this alive since he killed Harry Potter’s parents.”

        • HabFab says:

          But seriously between calling me a Ho and now this perverted love of old Don…wow!

          Geo made me do it! Is this what you are looking for? Have more if needed. :)

          • geo_habsgo says:

            PERFECT! Quick, now one of you has to call the other one a name that is not bad enough to get you banned but bad enough that the thread gets taken down by the mods.

            Following this, we will spend the next 200 or so comments talking about a fight that blew out of proportion. The next 50 or so comments after that will be all people who missed the blowup and are now wondering what went down.

            Vintage HIO right there ;)

          • Bripro says:

            So you want my thread “modded” geo?
            I’ll let Frank ramble, the distorted old pimp. ;)
            As for you asking that my post be taken down, who’s looking for a fight?

            *********************************************
            “I’m here to tell you: Gary Bettman hasn’t felt this alive since he killed Harry Potter’s parents.”

          • HabFab says:

            Who are you calling OLD? punk! Just because I was born in the last year to be able to retire at 65 and you just missed it, is no reason to start a rumble.

          • Bripro says:

            OK that’s it! How do you know I’m a punk?
            That was you on the phone with my wife, right??
            Well?

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            “I’m here to tell you: Gary Bettman hasn’t felt this alive since he killed Harry Potter’s parents.”

        • frontenac1 says:

          Atta boy Bri! The good old Chateauguay coming through! Saludos Amigo!

          • Bripro says:

            Cheers amigo.

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            “I’m here to tell you: Gary Bettman hasn’t felt this alive since he killed Harry Potter’s parents.”

          • HabFab says:

            So you’re saying, you Chateauguay boyz are all butt kissers :)

          • frontenac1 says:

            With you 100% always….old school amigo!

          • Bripro says:

            Personally, I’d have to see your butt first.
            You know… being a ho and all.

            *********************************************
            “I’m here to tell you: Gary Bettman hasn’t felt this alive since he killed Harry Potter’s parents.”

          • frontenac1 says:

            Far from it amigo. We pride ourselves on cutting through the Bullsh*t with humour and satire. You should try it sometime, it is really quite refreshing .

    • Cal says:

      Nicely done, Bri! #22 gets it done.

  24. Ron says:

    Dreger tweeting laffs GM, Burke to attend meetings this evening.
    ” maybe a dose of pugnacity or truclence will spark progress ”
    Dreger sucking Burke’s ass again. Maybe a fight will break out.

    • commandant says:

      Leafs showing up is good for us as fans IMO.

      You gotta think that MLSE wants the game on the ice, not just because of all the profits they are losing on the leafs, but the team is now owned by Sportsnet (deals with 5/7 canadian teams for local tv rights) and TSN (national NHL tv rights, 2 canadian teams local rights)

      Go Habs Go!
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    • frontenac1 says:

      Send in Nilan and Big Bird! Clean it up.

      • Ron says:

        Although that would be an interesting duo to let lose at a meeting I think it is time for some form of mediation to take place. People who have no affiliation to any team, NHLPA personal or somebody who would profit from such mediation. Bettman would never agree to such a move but it might end this useless standoff.

  25. Habfan10912 says:

    Selig issues statement approving Jays/Marlins trade.
    Edit: and Hostess and Union agree to mediation averting the death of Twinkies.

    Don’t good things come in threes or is that just bad things?

    • Cal says:

      A couple Twinkies are not inherently evil in and of themselves. It’s when they go down your gullet in squads and battalions that the problems start. ;)

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Dave Hodge showing he is still the wittiest guy out there from the Hockey Media world. Here is his recent tweet on Jays trade and Selig.

      TSNDaveHodge: After trying for a week to list all 12 names in a tweet, Bud Selig finally approves Jays-Marlins trade with a standard press release.

  26. jols101 says:

    Anyone have an update on Markov? That ‘minor’ rib injury seems like 3 weeks or even a month ago. Any word on him?

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I know on approx. Oct. 28th, it was announced his rib injury would have him out the next 3 games, but nothing has been said since. There was also the rumour that he was going to head back to Montreal. Sorry i am not more helpful Jols. I am hopeful he is just being very very careful with hopes that NHL resumes soon.

      • jols101 says:

        Rib injuries are very painful and like you said I hope he takes all the time he needs. Besides the 2013 Draft ranking issues, Markov’s return after a long summer of hard work, is one of the biggest reasons I hope they can resolve this lockout. I still hold faith that Markov can be 80% of what he was before the injuries hit him. He is 3 years older but I still think he has a lot to offer providing he can stay healthy. I find it just a little odd that there are no updates on his status.

        • Mr. Biter says:

          Now I really hope the season is lost. Worst signing since Gomez not because Markov is not talented but the Habs spent the money without knowing the true injury (Dr. Baddanoff) and now he gets hurt in the KHL. I know I’ll get flak for this but Markov is one hit from retirement.

          Mr. Biter
          No Guts No Glory

  27. HabinBurlington says:

    Totally unrelated to Hockey, but if any of you are techie people, this is pretty neat stuff that Corning is creating with glass.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=6Cf7IL_eZ38&vq=medium

    • New says:

      2023, looking back, you won’t recognize this time. You may also wonder when the lockout will be over. Thanks for the link.

    • Chuck says:

      My mom would have been mighty pissed to see all of those fingerprints on that bathroom mirror!

      ___________________________________________________
      Being a Hab fan is like buying real estate: only over the long-haul will you appreciate the true value of your investment.

    • Chris says:

      Well, **some** of that might be possible down the road. ;) But we’re not that close right now.

  28. HabsWinn-ipeg says:

    Link to exclusive interview of Gary Bettman by Gary Lawless of the Winnipeg Free Press

    http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/opinion/columnists/bettmans-take-179909441.html

  29. Bripro says:

    Burly posted an article from Philadelphia where the journalist compares Butthead to Michael Phelps, in the last thread.
    As far as I’m concerned, it starts and finishes at the level of arrogance.
    Beyond that, they’re in completely different leagues.
    Phelps, for all his cockiness, was the best during his time, which is seeping away.
    He had to work extremely hard to get to where he is.
    Bettman I’m certain worked very hard at riding coat tails.
    And making promises he never delivered, not even in the last CBA negotiations.
    And ironically, US based fans are hoping that Ed Snyder is their saviour:

    http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/help-us-ed-snider-only-nhl-lockout-hope-155032983–nhl.html

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    “I’m here to tell you: Gary Bettman hasn’t felt this alive since he killed Harry Potter’s parents.”

    • HabFab says:

      No mention of him flatly denying that as he did the next day…what gives with that? ;)

      • Cal says:

        Puck Daddy is only re-iterating what the other blogger wrote. So, it is a blog about a blog agog.

        • Bripro says:

          I was on strike last week. Tried to play invisible.
          If I’m re-posting what was already posted, then granted I’m behind the times. But this blog about blogging to blog the agog….
          Hey, why do I hear Julie Andrews singing?
          Something about “The sound of music”?

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          “I’m here to tell you: Gary Bettman hasn’t felt this alive since he killed Harry Potter’s parents.”

          • Cal says:

            It’s all about this curse of the Von ClapTrap family, of which Bettman and Fehr are both members (distant cousins many times removed, erased, but they come back so everyone ignores them). If I remember correctly, the curse has to do with forever talking in circles and never resolving anything.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      It is my understanding that when Bettman was in Grade 3 he set a record in the wading pool, I am not sure the comparison is bad afterall. ;-)

      • Bripro says:

        :)
        Wading pool. Wait I remember that!
        He wasn’t in Grade 3, Gerry.
        He was 3rd year University!

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        “I’m here to tell you: Gary Bettman hasn’t felt this alive since he killed Harry Potter’s parents.”

  30. HabFab says:

    FriedgeHNIC – NHL and NHLPA both reportedly sending new people into today’s talks. New blood/ideas is never a bad thing. Also wonder though, if both… sides are trying to show as many of its people how much of a struggle the process is.

  31. jols101 says:

    Funny to see, over the last 63 days, the shift in public opinion. Before the lockout the vast majority where on the side of the Players and blamed the stalemate on the greed of the Owners. Reading many different blogs and comments on many articles there is a clear shift and most fans now blame the Players overwhelmingly. Interesting.

    • Xsteve50 says:

      I guess we do not read the same blogs….I think that the fans are now even more with the players…

    • Chris says:

      This is often the case. As the fans are denied more and more their opportunity to watch hockey, they generally move more and more towards siding with the owners.

      The argument is ultimately that the players should just be thankful that they get the opportunity to earn a living playing a game. It is an argument that I detest, but that is the gist of it.

      I remain firmly anti-NHL (not pro-players) thus far, because I think their contract proposals have been an utter joke thus far.

    • HabFab says:

      I don’t think there is a shift to blame the players. I think the shift has been to blame both sides. What you are seeing is an increase in the Player side being criticized by those who previously blamed only the Owners.

      Take for example this fan favorite at first, the “We want to continue to play while we negotiate in good faith”. I think after watching Fehr negotiate that most fans now understand the NHL saying “I don’t think so”.

      That particular one causes me to cover my ears and go LALALALA when one of the Habs use it. My feeling is “Are you insulting my intelligence or aren’t you very bright?” Neither answer I wish to know…

  32. commandant says:

    As for Galchenyuk. There is nothing wrong with an 18 year old starting as a winger and moving to centre as he works his way to NHL Speed.

    See Tyler Seguin, Claude Giroux, Jamie Benn and Steven Stamkos.

    Go Habs Go!
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    • Mike D says:

      Absolutely. Whatever is best for his development should determine what position and in what league he plays.

      – Honestly yours
      Twitter: @de_benny

    • Chris says:

      There is also not too much wrong with an 18 year old staying in the OHL for the entire season and learning how to dominate that league while honing the skills needed to contribute quickly at the NHL level.

      See Corey Perry (two OHL seasons after his draft year), Claude Giroux (two QMJHL seasons after his draft year), or Jordan Eberle (two WHL seasons after his draft year).

      With Plekanec, Desharnais, Cole, Pacioretty, Bourque and Gionta, the Habs don’t need to rush Galchenyuk for a 9-game tryout. With Plekanec, Desharnais, and Eller up the middle, they definitely don’t need him at centre this season.

      Let him continue to work on his game in the OHL, and look for him next season. Anything outside of that is largely unnecessary.

      I don’t think the Habs are going to use Galchenyuk as a winger for a year, but if he continues to score at his current rate maybe he is the guy that should be riding shotgun on the wing instead of Eller moving forwards.

      • Cal says:

        The 9 game look see may happen, but unless he is head and shoulders ahead of everyone else he should remain in the OHL for the rest of the season. Be good to see him in the WJT holiday time.

  33. Hey HIO, long time no talk. Was looking forward to seeing some of you fine folks at the summit this year but I guess that wasn’t in the cards. Thought I’d pop in and tell you guys that we’ve added two correspondents from Hamilton to cover Bulldogs games if you’re interested in that, and we also have a contest going where you can with a free Habs t-shirt of your choice if you tell us how you came to be a Habs fan. Link here: http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/2012/11/15/3649920/fandom-how-it-all-begins

    Now I know what some of you are thinking, “I hate that Berkshire guy, why would I give your site hits?” Well my friend, it’s quite simple. The money for that shirt is coming out of my wallet. How funny would it be if your story gets drawn and I have to mail you a shirt that you force me to buy? That’s pretty good incentive, I’d wager.

    Also I miss guys like ooder and twocents and cantankerous Mr. Kerley. I even miss Timo a little.

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  34. habsfan0 says:

    I wonder if it’s too early too speculate on a date which,having been passed without an agreement,would mean that the entire season is toast?

    • Habfan10912 says:

      You would think that there would have to be at least half a full season, no? That would put the start date around the end of December, early January. I bet the league has a date in mind.  

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      • HammerHab says:

        End of January would be the latest an agreement could be made with the season starting very early February…..just like 2 lockouts ago with a 48 game season.

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        It’ll always be Habs Inside/Out to me

    • Habilis says:

      End of January I imagine.

      January was when they agreed on a 48 game sched and February was when they cancelled the season during the last 2 lockouts.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      If indeed as Hammer/Habillis/Habfan say, that they have until end of Jan., that kind of sucks. I am so tired of these weeks where we think this is the drop dead time to make a deal.

      If indeed this matter can drag for another month to two months, then that is what will happen I fear.

      • Habfan10912 says:

        I think you’re right Burly. Until the parties believe its near the end of season deadline nothing may happen. I still think the KHL option has hampered getting an agreement done.

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        • Cal says:

          Frankly, I was hoping more players would go and realize how well off they are in North America.

          • Chris says:

            Of course, if many of those guys actually do go over to the KHL and other European leagues, the European leagues can start to funnel the increased fan revenues into improving their own product.

            The NHL has enjoyed the fruits of pilfering European talent for many years, often giving little to nothing back in return. That those European leagues continue to churn out talent is perhaps the remarkable thing and a testament to the fine coaches in Europe.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            @Chris, Pilfering? The players had the choice to stay in Europe, I am not sure the NHL can be blamed for drafting such players and offering them a chance to play in the best hockey league in the world.

          • Chris says:

            The players had the choice, and they took it.

            But I am speaking more to the teams. In Europe, teams pay to develop their players through their affiliated teams in lower leagues. When those players bolt for the NHL, the European team gets some money in compensation from the NHL (for first-round picks, can’t remember how far down it extends), but nothing compared to what they lay out in development costs.

      • Habilis says:

        I agree, I said way back when the owners offered 50/50 that this was going to get much worse before it got better. I hate being right.

        I have seen a few reporters say that this time is different, that the NHL won’t wait until February to cancel the season but will do it early in the new year. Even if that is the case, we still have 6 weeks or so. Six more weeks of rhetoric, chest puffing, and no progress. Yay.

        What would be spectacular would be if these very rich, supposedly intelligent men could surprise everyone and do the reasonable thing by meeting in the middle somewhere.

    • geo_habsgo says:

      TSN speculated that there was probably a two to three week window left and that after that point the season would probably be lost.

  35. Mike D says:

    Gary Bettman interview with the Winnipeg Free Press:

    http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/opinion/columnists/bettmans-take-179909441.html

    – Honestly yours
    Twitter: @de_benny

    • Cal says:

      The King of Rhetoric speaks! And not rhetorically, either. Decent interview, with the touchy questions easily side-stepped.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Thanks Mike. He even sounds arrogant in print. :)

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      • HabinBurlington says:

        I actually thought it was one of his better interviews. I mentioned on the last thread that he isn’t as completely smarmy as his usual self in this one. I think he realizes he actually has to try and be human for a bit, due to the media killing him these days.

        • Habfan10912 says:

          You may be correct that it’s one of his better interviews but that may be because of low expectations based on his history. When reading this I imagined the condescending tone. I also found his answers full of dounlespeak.
          That said the other creep across the table isn’t much better. A pox on both their houses.

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    • Ozmodiar says:

      Good interview by Lawless.

      He should interview Ian White next….. we’ll decide for ourselves who is (and is not) an idiot.

      • bwoar says:

        “Good interview by Lawless.”
        – 4 words I’d never have expected to see, ever. I’ll give ol’ Lawless some slack on this one though, he didn’t embarrass himself.

  36. Kooch7800 says:

    First ….Damn

    now second

    “Keep your stick on the Ice”

  37. HammerHab says:

    first….

    ….and foremost I’d lke to thank God….

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    It’ll always be Habs Inside/Out to me


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