1992-93 Habs season flashback: Habs get scare before beating Senators

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As we wait and hope for an end to the NHL lockout, Canadiens fans can relive the 1992-93 season – the last year the Habs won the Stanley Cup – at HIO as we post game stories from that season.

The Habs took a 13-4-2  record into a game against the Senators in Ottawa on Nov. 17, 1992. Here is Red Fisher’s story from that game

Canadiens get a small scare; Spot Senators a couple of leads, but roar back

RED FISHER
THE GAZETTE

CANADIENS 5
SENATORS 3

OTTAWA – Jacques Demers stands there, talking in paragraphs about a game which, for a while at least, was roughly equivalent to serving a sentence.

“We played a dangerous game,” said Demers in the wake of last night’s 5-3 victory over the Ottawa Senators who, once upon a time, beat the Canadiens by the same score.

“We were down 2-0 in the first period,” said Demers. “We trailed, 3-1. We came back.

“The guys … in the third period … well, they were simply outstanding. They didn’t give up a thing.”

Demers, you should know, has an uncanny talent for saying all of the right things.

So: “Eric Desjardins has been playing like a general for the last two, maybe three weeks,” said the commander-in-chief. “He’s doing what we want him to do. Before that, he was playing like a corporal, maybe.

“Mathieu Schneider is playing like a Norris Trophy-winner,” said Demers.

“Andre Racicot (three goals on 17 shots) played great in not giving up a fourth goal. Donald Dufresne was very good.”

That’s the general idea of what Demers was saying last night, and for a while there was a tiny question, at least, whether or not Demers would get the opportunity to say any of the right things about so many of his people.

What the Canadiens learned last night was that while the Senators are somewhat less than major-league stuff, teams can’t go around banking points earning them.

What’s certain is that the Canadiens didn’t come close to earning anything during most of the first half of the game, which is why they trailed 2-0 in the first before John LeClair’s wraparound beat Peter Sidorkiewicz.

It’s also why they trailed the Senators 3-1, until Brian Bellows took a handoff from Stephan Lebeau behind the net and caught Sidorkiewicz behind the net.

The problem? Racicot – as much as Demers enjoyed his work – probably would have liked another crack on the Tomas Jelinek goal – a 40-footer early in the second period. He also could have had lots more help on the Mike Peluso goal, after the puck was coughed up at the blue line by Patrice Brisebois. On the other hand, there was nothing he could do about the Jeff Lazaro goal, which opened the scoring midway through the first period.

Nothing is forever with the Senators, of course – for all of the right reasons. They simply don’t have enough, as a team, to maintain the pressure which wins hockey games. They had it when they won their home opener, but they’ve looked for it, without success, since then.

“Hey, we know the Senators are short on talent in some areas,” said Demers, “but you’ve got to work hard against them. That’s what we did, especially in the last half of the game. One loss in 15 games for us … that ain’t bad, is it?”

This game started to unravel in the seventh minute of the second period when Bellows got his goal, and it didn’t get better when General Desjardins marched into the play deep in the Ottawa zone in the 15th minute of the period to beat Sidorkiewicz cleanly.

Then, along comes Mario Roberge with his second goal of the season – both winners – which matches his output for all of last season. Brisebois scored the only goal of the final period.

You should know there was a ripple of feeling among the teams on this night – perhaps because people such as Peluso and Todd Ewen have been far too squeaky-clean thus far. So there’s Peluso, in the final seconds of the second period unloading on Schneider, and there’s Ewen exploding in what appeared to be a fury at the sight.

As it developed, he and Peluso didn’t get together for a chat, or whatever. What both did get, however, were two minors and a misconduct apiece, which effectively made them spectators for the rest of the game.

That’s roughly what Ottawa defenceman Mark Osiecki may have been early in the final period when he popped a puck loose from under his goaltender, allowing Brisebois to jump on it for the goal which left the Senators dead in the water – again.

Tomorrow’s another day – this time against the Nordiques in Quebec.

(Photo by John Kenney/The Gazette)

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  2. jo_maka says:

    For those who saw the game Marlies – Poodles. How was Avtsin in the loss ? Should we dare to hope that a turnaround might just happen ?

    And for H I/O’s disgruntled but dedicated personnel: instead of the fantasy fantasies, can we get a Bulldog liveblog once in a while ?

  3. Cape Breton says:

    Blue Jays ,eh. WOW!

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Is Bud Selig going to approve the trade before Spring Training? Why do I get the impression if this trade involved any other team in the league it would already be approved. But because it is Canadian team…..well one has to wonder.

      Of course there are problems from Buehrle as his Pitbull isn’t allowed in Ontario, he lived 80km’s north of Miami as the city of Miami also bans his breed. Not sure he is going to want to live in Buffalo while playing for Jays.

  4. jo_maka says:

    @ Trini: sorry iphone can’t answer directly. Here’s the link for Thrower’s incident:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Habsfuture/status/268676626592718849#!/Habsfuture/status/268676626592718849

    Losing to Toronto is always the worst taste of loss, even if it’s for a spaghetti knitting competition. At least, living in Longueuil and working in Mtl, I don’t have to dread meeting an Argos fan. Unless I tune to Toronto Sport Network, that is…..sigh….

    Looking at Commandant’s rating and everything else I’ve been reading on the innanets these past months, I’ll say it proudly, blind fandom be damned: Let there be a season so the Habs can tank !!!! This is a huge opportunity and we can’t afford losing for the following years so we need to get as many impact players as possible, the sooner the better. This crop is awesome, we can’t afford to miss this one to scrape to get to the playoffs only for bragging rights and no cup to show for it for the next 15 years

  5. Cape Breton says:

    How about those Blue Jays, eh! 1992 and 93 all over again, maybe, hopefully.

  6. HabFab says:

    Oliver Fortier spent most of his time as a Hab Prospect 3rd rounder (2 QMJHL + 3 AHL) injuried. This year was signed to an AHL contract by Hamilton and is toiling away in the ECHL. So far has stayed healthy and is 8+8 in 14 games…hope it continues to go well for him.

  7. calvee123 says:

    Just browsing a bit here…. Seen this video and I remember in high school watching this game. It was another wonderfull evening filled with Habs Hockey! Ahhhh the memories. Heres the link if any one likes to check it out. Its from January 12, 1985. 75 yr celebration with a few of the greats, and one of my favorite characters, Mr Joliet!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA6PPKY7BkI

  8. frontenac1 says:

    100th Grey Cup in Toronto? Was the “Fix” in Amigos? Discuss……

  9. Cape Breton says:

    Losing to Toronna sucks, big time!!
    Me thinks Cavillo is done like dinner. Great career, though. One of the best CFL QBs of all time!

    • habstrinifan says:

      I gotta say it though…. good for the CFL and Montreal needs a retooling so not altogether a bad thing all around.

      Cavillo shoulda retired , on top, two years ago.

  10. punkster says:

    Oh crap…he dropped it…bounced off his chest.

    ***Subbang Baby!!!***

  11. punkster says:

    Never, never, never walk away from a CFL game in the last couple of minutes. No matter what happens now with a minute left this has been fun.

    ***Subbang Baby!!!***

  12. 100HABS says:

    How comes the Bulldogs are so crappy? I thought we had good prospects in the system…

    • Haborama says:

      The average age of the Bulldogs is 22, their defense is even younger. These are good prospects, they’re just green and unused to the speed of the AHL game.

      I think they’ll get better as the season progresses and they gain experience.

      BTW: didn’t you love it when 6,5 Joe Colbune got B*tch slapped by 5,9 Gabriel Dumont???

      priceless!!

  13. HabFab says:

    The Marlins trade as thru the eyes of the Taiwanese…frigging hilarious…except for the Expos part;
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UXRrXtpZtTk

  14. Mr. Biter says:

    As stated yesterday today’s report on Danny Kristo (UND). Last night 1 goal 2 assists (including on GWG in overtime). PLays PP and Shorthanded. Best player both teams when on ice. Can take good hits. Excellent passer. Very Impressed with his play. Tough watching the whole hockey game while also watching both Oregon and Kansas State games. Yeah, Notre Dame #1. Who would have guessed that in September.

    Mr. Biter
    No Guts No Glory

    • jedimyrmidon says:

      What about Marc MacMillan?

      • Mr. Biter says:

        2 goals, including game winner (both with assists from Kristo) both one timers from just outside crease and one assist. I believe that he and Kristo play on the same line. Also very dominant last night. BTW during 2nd periond 5 Bulldogs and 3 fighting sioux in the penalty box at one time. Old time hockey without the fights but those boys sure use the lumber out there. Lots of high cross checks. ALSO UND has a little guy 5:6 (Florida 2nd. round draft) Rocco Grimaldi who is quick as a rabbit and allways in the middle of a scrum. If he was bigger……
        Just checked and MM was a 4th round draft for us. Could wind up being a steal for us.

        Mr. Biter
        No Guts No Glory

    • 24 Cups says:

      He’s in his 4th year so he better look good compared to the other younger players.

      A bit undersized but so are most of the other Hab RW prospects.

      He needs to eventually beat out Gallagher, Leblanc or Collberg (I guess you also have to include Holland) to get a placement on one of the top three lines.

      Swimming against the current.

      • Habfan10912 says:

        Organizational depth ain’t such a bad thing, eh 24?

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      • Mr. Biter says:

        Leads UND in scoring 10 points in 5 games and is listed at 5:11 and 185 lbs so not that small. MM (sophmore) 6 points in 5 games. 6:0 but 165lbs which will no doubt increase in the next 3 years. I’ll try to watch the UND games for the rest of the season after Dec. 7th (going on vacation tuesday) and report in on Sundays about the weekend games.

        Mr. Biter
        No Guts No Glory

        • Habfan10912 says:

          Have a nice trip! Look forward to your reports on Kristo. Have not seen him this season but the few times I’ve seen him in the past was very impressed with his motor.

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          • Mr. Biter says:

            Thanks Habfan10912. I will keep track on Kristo and Mark MacMillan with weekly reports on their progress. When I’m gone I’ll contact a frind of mine in Grand Forks, get his take on the games I miss and still try to report on their progress.

            Mr. Biter
            No Guts No Glory

    • joeybarrie says:

      I wonder about Kristo.
      At 22 he isnt out of college yet and has played a professional game in his life.
      I think he is comfortable in the NCAA and wants to win the championship and play his senior season more than he wants to work at making the NHL.
      His work ethic and attitude are the questions I have. He just doesnt seem to be too focused or driven to make it big.
      Seems to me a guy who will coast thru and use his talents to make his life easier.
      Getting an education and enjoying life. ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong with that.
      But I dont have big hopes for him on a top line.
      Depth, I think. But im glad to have him. Seems to have a lot of skill. But given his size, he needs to be more driven to make it.
      Gionta did 4 years in University, one year in the AHL being called up for 33 games. But he did it younger and his stats in college were more impressive.
      But its fun to be able to see if I was right…

      • Mr. Biter says:

        Don’t know about his drive but wanting to win a NCAA hockey championship is not a bad step. If he were playing with the Dogs now would he get better than at UND I don’t know, However on both his assists he was triped up and going down yet made tape to tape passes for goals so he does have skills but having said that he will have to spend at least 1 year in the AHL to see him play in the pros. However earlier posters are saying our younger players are getting a rough initation to the AHL so we will have to wait to see about this time next year how Kristo plays to make any judgements.

        Mr. Biter
        No Guts No Glory

      • Habfan10912 says:

        He does NOT coast on the ice. He’s a very high energy player. The off ice stuff is a little worrisome though.

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        • Mr. Biter says:

          Don’t know about “off Ice Stuff’. Not that much to do in Grand Forks except shopping for us Canadiansand some nice bars. Please inform me about the off ice stuff. I’m just guessing here but was it to do with freezing his feet?

          Mr. Biter
          No Guts No Glory

          • Haborama says:

            it was a bit more then frostbite, no one was sure what went on but they kinda hinted between the lines that it was something really Kostitsyn esque……..

          • Mr. Biter says:

            K Bros like in Grand Forks? He’d have to really look hard to find anything there(go there 4 times a year).Then he’ll love Montreal.

            Mr. Biter
            No Guts No Glory

          • commandant says:

            The Frostbite wasn’t “Kostitsynesque”. This was a college kid out for a booty call, who made the stupid decision not to dress properly to walk across campus.

            Not exactly being in a bar with someone who ends up arrested as an organized crime boss.

            Go Habs Go!
            Check out Top Shelf Prospects, my Team by Team prospect reports
            http://lastwordonsports.com/

  15. Phil C says:

    To carry on from the discussion below about the modern playing style and the cycle game we now have, although the defensive systems force this type of play somewhat, I do think present day coaching takes this too far.

    If a team is good at trapping, no question that a good dump and chase game, then cycling it until you can bring it to the net, is a good strategy to beat the trap. But what I hate is the insistence of some coaching styles to ALWAYS get the puck deep, turn the defensemen around and make them come 200 feet the other way. Modern day coaches are afraid to turn the puck over at the blueline, so they insist on the strategy of getting it deep even when there may be opportunities to carry the puck across the blueline and make a creative play, or just get it to the net, even if it risks a turn over.

    After the lockout when they removed the red line, Carbonneau was experimenting with the stretch pass to beat the trap, where they would get a winger to stand on the opposing blueline by the boards and wait for a stretch pass. That Habs team could score, and innovative ideas like helped them be more creative than just getting it deep. I would like to see more of that kind of thinking in the NHL.

    It is harder to get through the neutral zone these days, although the Habs had a player in Gomez where getting through the neutral zone was the strongest part of his game, but he was expected to get the puck deep instead, or end up benched. The Detroit teams of recent years were good at moving the puck. One of Detroit’s best breakouts is to put the first pass right in front of their own net, which would be a no-no on many teams, but they have faith in their abilities, and having the puck in the centre of the ice is a great way to start a breakout even if it comes with some risk. So it’s not like it is inevitable for modern coaches to play dump and chase all the time.

    I think the real issue is that modern coaches are fired if they get on a losing streak, so they choose a more conservative playing styles, which is not good for the fans or the players, but helps cut down the variance and uncertainty in the outcome of the game.

    • HabFab says:

      I’m agreeing with the writer of that article I mentioned earlier. Today’s players are too big and fast, so to open up the game a larger ice surface is needed. Believe it would also cut down on the concussions. Unfortunately don’t see that happening anytime soon.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        The league had their chance about 15years ago when all the teams started replacing their arenas. However, would have taken a hockey visionary to be commish to recognize that.

        Of course many people say it doesn’t matter if the commish “is a hockey guy” he just runs a business.

        Well the fact that the idiot rat Bettman didn’t know hockey is a big reason every rink was built with the current NHL rink size in mind and not a larger International size.

        I am so thankful for Bettman, we don’t need a hockey guy running hockey…..

      • Phil C says:

        I agree with that too, a bigger ice would help. They have built enough new arenas that they could evolve that way if they wanted, but, yeah, I don’t see the first two rows coming out of every rink and screwing up the viewing angles.

        For the concussion issue, watching the Boston-Montreal game from 1978 last night, I noticed that you did not see guys torpedoing their bodies at each other like they do now. There were some big hits, but not like today. By letting the bodychecking to become more violent in the game, it has ruined the puck carrying game because it is simply too dangerous to carry the puck anymore. You can literally get killed carrying the puck today. If we went back to calling charging as it is written and eliminate excessively violent bodychecks, I think it would promote more creative and entertaining hockey. It would also cut down on concussions.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Finishing the check IMO is the biggest fault in todays hockey. When you don’t have the puck you are not fair game to be hit, heck its even in the rule book that physical contact is allowed to seperate the player from the puck. Worst part is, I think Finishing the Check was started and perfected by Canadian Hockey, a way to counteract other teams with high skill and speed.

        • neumann103 says:

          I am fond of pointing out that back in the day players were not rewarded or complimented for hitting a guy three seconds after he got rid of the puck. They were penalized for charging. In the toughest era of the game.

          It is one thing to support a pressure game but today guys are not worried about rushing the pass because they see someone coming, they are dumping it off early in case of the assault that could come from anywhere. And people call this “finishing your check”.

          “Et le but!”

          • Phil C says:

            I agree, the rules haven’t changed, just how they are interpreted. And interpreting the rules and preserving the integrity of the game is in the job description of the Commissioner.

      • 24 Cups says:

        That ship has sailed, Frank.

        The only thing that be changed now is the mindset of the coaches and players. Not much hope there.

  16. HabFab says:

    A good article showing the CBA issues and where both sides stand on them;
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nhl/2012/11/18/nhl-labor-talks-analysis/1712209/

  17. HabFab says:

    Some more CBA and hockey links from EOTP; a couple of very good ones IMO;
    http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/2012/11/18/3659782/sunday-links-moratoria-edition

  18. HabinBurlington says:

    Just caught the NCAA Football highlights, holy cow, is Notre Dame number 1 now? Whodathunkit!

    I am guessing Habfan10912 is happy this morning.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Absolutely shocked that Baylor beat Kansas State. Not so surprised that Stanford beat Oregon. I was up way past my bed time but as an Irish fan it was a fun night.

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    • HabinBurlington says:

      What a complete mess that story is. I still maintain the only reason the Yotes haven’t been sold and moved is to prevent a lawsuit from Moyes (and maybe a guy named Balsillie).

      The whole issue with Phoenix is that the NHL doesn’t want NHL owners able to pick and choose where they move a team. There is no way Bettman is stupid enough to think Glendale/Phoenix is a viable NHL market, he is merely trying to stay in control of franchise movement. I don’t agree with him, but that is the big issue, I Think?

    • frontenac1 says:

      There was a good discussion on Sirius XM NHL yesterday with some US based writers on the NHL lockout and what it is doing to the fanbase in some of these questionable markets. The fans there aren’t even angry, they simply do not care. It aint pretty Amigos.

  19. HabinBurlington says:

    So I normally do not go out to watch the UFC events, but did last night for one reason GSP. That was an unbelievable street fight last night. I am not really a fan of UFC, (still more a boxing guy) but what an absolute pitbull GSP is. I am fearful that if indeed he fights Silva next it won’t be pretty as the height/reach advantage of Silva may be to much.

    Having said all that, there must of been a crap load of Testosterone filing out of the Molson Center last night after the fight.

  20. commandant says:

    Its November, so I’m putting out my first NHL Draft Ranking of the new season. Today is numbers 1-10

    http://lastwordonsports.com/2012/11/18/november-rankings-2013-nhl-draft/

    Will go to 30, and then honourable mentions this week.

    Go Habs Go!
    Check out Top Shelf Prospects, my Team by Team prospect reports
    http://lastwordonsports.com/

    • HabFab says:

      Good job and can’t wait for the next 10!
      If I could be pushy and considering we have 3 second rounders, would 60 be a possibility?

      By the way, great to see you making some “positive” contribution around here :P

      • 24 Cups says:

        Frank – As I mentioned yesterday, Montreal and Nashville will only have one ball in the lottery. Calgary will have three.

        As for the top ten list, I find it interesting that Jones, Monahan, Shinkarik and Pulock are all a year older than MacKinnon and Barkov.

        I still don’t understand why ‘In Lou We Trust’ didn’t pass on last year’s draft when he picked 29th. All I can come up with is that he wants a prospect right now to help HIM out before he retires. Screw the next GM. Even so, wouldn’t it have made more sense to take Dansk or try to move up for Subban?

        • HabFab says:

          Lou puzzled me too. Perhaps it was team ownership that made the call on that, seems to me they were on the verge of going under unless they got new loans during that period.
          As for the ball count, sounds like you have written the season off :)
          Personally I can see this going into next season…my remaining hope is that I’m wrong. As for Calgary, then let us wish for a top 3 pick plus for Nashville and us to get in under 15. Four picks in top 45 would be nice.

          • 24 Cups says:

            Calgary has three balls in the lottery but Montreal wants them to still pick in the BOTTOM five. That would mean their 2nd rounder would be in the top five. Same goes for Nashville.

            I want Montreal to pick in the top five (only a 10% chance) and then let their 2nd rounder to a flyer/hail mary in the 55-60 range.

    • Dust says:

      I’m really excited for the world juniors this year. If the lockout is still ongoing it will be even better than normal years

    • Boomer says:

      always a great read! thanks comm

    • commandant says:

      HabFab…. we won’t get to 60 on the november ranks. The plan is 30 + about 10-12 Honourable mentions.

      My January rankings will get to 60.

      My end of season will get to 80 or 90.

      Its just the ability to see more players as time goes on. Thats why I warn the november ranks are volatile. There may be players who should be top 30 who I haven’t seen enough of yet.

      Go Habs Go!
      Check out Top Shelf Prospects, my Team by Team prospect reports
      http://lastwordonsports.com/

  21. L Elle says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQ4iDv7FahY&feature=related

    Just sit right back and you’ll hear a fail
    a tale of a bad NHL trip,
    that started from this Montreal sport,
    aboard this CBA ship.
    The mate was a puny lawyer man,
    the Skipper brave, yeah sure,
    five negotiators met that day,
    for a three hour snore
    a three hour snore
    The meeting started getting rough,
    the CBA ship was tossed.
    If not for the courage of the fearless few
    the season would be lost.
    The season would be lost.
    The ship aground on the shore of this uncharted secret isle
    with Bettman
    Don Fehr too.
    The billionaire and his maid
    the hockey star,
    the deputy and little bro
    here on lockout Isle.

    So this is the tale of lockout craze
    It’s here for a long long time.
    They’ll have to make the best of things,
    it’s an uphill climb.
    Bettman and his deputy too
    will do their very best,
    to make the others uncomfortable
    in their money making quest
    No deal,no talks no friendly bar
    not a single luxury
    like a season deathblow
    it’s absurd as can be.
    So join us here each day my friends,
    you’re sure to get some bile
    from sad stranded fans crazed
    here on lockout Isle!

  22. HabFab says:

    Interesting stuff for twitter watchers. Both Dreger and McKenize getting shots from both players and their supporters over them saying Whites comments about Bettman was over the line. This lock out has caused a lot of hard feelings and will continue to for some time. In fact the argument could be made that this labour dispute has roots in the hard feelings from the previous one. Even on HIO it has caused friction and hard feelings including with myself. I am working thru my issues and I hope others can do the same. Go Habs Go…

    • Ron says:

      Alot of interesting interaction between those two for sure. Damien Cox has had a days running exchange with Allan Walsh the player agent who appears to not beable to keep his yap shut. There is going to be alot of bad feelings with owners/players after this is over. Different media types have tried to hide their loyalties but at times its not to hard to see which side of the fence their on even here at the Gazette. IMO nobody is impartial.

      • HabFab says:

        You can see Stubbs struggling at times but he attempts to remain objective which I for one appreciate. I don’t think Boone would have done so well :)

        • Ron says:

          Its funny you mention that you feel Booner would have had trouble keeping his honest opinions under wraps. I have followed Mike on twitter and he has kept off Twitter in this fight. Had some pretty funny lines when the US election was on the go but has not surfaced since. Miss his witt emmensely.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Indeed his wit is missed. I hope he is enjoying retirement, in a twisted way perhaps the lockout is making it easier for him, as there is nothing of Hockey News to report at an NHL level.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Issues? I have so many issues that I cannot even identify all the issues which really is my biggest issue. :)
      On a more serious note most posters, yourself included, can debate and speak to your opinion without being obnoxious or mean spirted. It’s what makes this site such an enjoyable release from everydays real life stresses.
      Maybe the players AND owners have reached their “issue” point too and will now get a deal done. CHeers Frank!

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    • HabinBurlington says:

      Friction? Here at HI/O? I don’t know what your talking about!

  23. HabFab says:

    Your morning CBA links to go with your coffee, indigestion or indignation is the sole responsibility of the reader;
    http://spectorshockey.net/blog/nhl-lockout-morning-coffee-headlines-november-18-2012/

    • New says:

      Thanks. Luv the way Lyle narrows it down to Bettman and da Broons with Snider wavering.

      • slapshot777 says:

        I have said a number of times, that Bettman along with Snider and Jacobs are pretty much running the league. This is also one of my rants as to how the Bruins actually won the cup, because it was a payback for Jacobs putting Bettman back in control last time. There were reports that Jacobs bascially went ahead and did this with little or no support from the rest of the BOG.

        Here we are a couple of years later and both he and Bettman along with Snider who now appears to be fed up with the way things are going. Can you blame him there are a lot more owners who feel the same way but because they are not in the ” Bettman circle of trust” which is the way Bettman want sit.

        We can see it here through negotiations, it’s either his way or the highway. It’s funny that everytime Bettman is not involved in these meetings everything appears to be running smoothly, but as soon as he gets back in the fray, meets last for a day maybe two with only a few hours spent negotiating each time and then everyone walks away disgruntled.

        I pretty much don’t care at this point if hockey doesn’t return this season, just for the reason of maybe there will be enough owners who will have lost money and some of the bigger ones who see a much bigger loss angry eniough to toss Bettmans ass to the curve.

        Maybe, just maybe we can get a new NHL head preferably someone from within Canad to run the League and who truly knows the value of hockey to the average fan. Maybe, just maybe then we can see an end to this clique that is now formed in the BOG. Jacobs is a power hungry onwer who doesn’t care about anyone or anything only what is the best interest for him personally.

        If the league is going to survive in the future, owners like him will have to go from the game altogether or be put in hteir rightful place. If the owners want to become partners with the players and work with them in a truting manner, then what we have seen over the past 10 years at least or so has to come to an end.

        How can the players trust the owners when they can’t even trut themselves. The cracks are showing on both sides, it is just starting for the owners who now see a real possibility of losing the entire season. The players have already lost a couple of pay cheques so the sting of it as already hit them.

        Also, these owners while on enforcing the lockout don’t have pretty much any HRR coming in. It’s pretty much a given that most if not all fans have or should have given up buying anything hockey related so that they are not supporting the NHL or NHLPA in any way. The players at least have an option of playing overseas and we have seen that so the loss to some of them is not a complete loss. While the owners are sitting around waiting with their thumbs up their ass waiting for Bettman to come back and tell them that they got everything they asked for in negotiations.

        I think if Bettman wasn’t around we would be playing hockey right now. Do I think that this is all the Leagues fault, “NO” the players along with season killer Donald Fehr have to bare some of the blame as well. All we have seen from the players to date is waiting around for the owners to put a new proposal. Well here’s a novel idea since the NHLPA has put nothing new out since the beginning of the lockout, why don’t they try and construct something that can work for both with the agenda that has been laid out, rather than go off crying to the media about how they are always ready to negotiate. Hard to negoatiate when only one side is doing all the proposing.

        The players pretty much don’t want to give up anything more than the 57% back to 50% and if that is the only thing that they are willing to do, then Fehr will succeed in cancelling the entire season. I say it’s about time the media started to fire back shots at both side and that the players are upset with media people.

        Up till now the NHLPA thought that the media was their friend and that this was one avenue that they could exploit in trying to win the PR battle against the owners. Now that this little shift in sentement has the players miffed at the media, too bad the media themselves are now finally seeing through some of this crap Fehr has been spewing and the school yard name calling that the players have been doing.

        If both side spent more time focusing on the real problem rather than focing on the media and how to spin off the latest NHL news and vice versa than this would have probably been done by now and we would be seeing hockey. Enogh rant for now, whew, that felt good.

        To you from failing hands we throw the torch, be yours to hold it high.

  24. commandant says:

    The Leafs have such great prospects with the Marlies, I mean just look at Keith Aucoin, the guy who dominated the Habs prospects with 2 goals and 1 assist. I’m sure he’ll be a great NHLer.

    Whats that? He’s 34 years old and on his 5th NHL organization with virtually no NHL success. A journeyman AHLer who has always scored in that league? Oh ok

    What about the the third star of the game? Mark Fraser? Oh wait, he’s a 26 year old Dman who has also bounced around organizations and is another AHL journeyman.

    Literally men against boys, but people want to rail on how bad our prospects are for splitting the weekend 1-1 against this Marlies team? I guess you don’t understand the AHL.

    At least Boomer, Kooch, Sean, 10912, Mike D and others here understand that its a young team. But some of you haven’t got a clue on how the AHL works.

    Go Habs Go!
    Check out Top Shelf Prospects, my Team by Team prospect reports
    http://lastwordonsports.com/

    • Chris says:

      But like Steve said below, it is also apparent how little many people understand junior hockey. Dominating junior hockey is a LONG way from being good in the NHL.

      If we’re being honest, none of Montreal’s main prospects were even remotely ready for a jump to the NHL. They need a year, if not more, in the AHL adjusting to playing against men instead of the 16 and 17 year old boys they were able to push around as 19 and 20 year olds.

      Galchenyuk is probably the closest to being an NHL ready prospect even though he is still in junior because he’s got the talent. Most of Montreal’s other guys are good players that have relied on speed and experience against a weaker pool of competition. Now they’ve got to relearn how to play.

      • commandant says:

        Yes they all need the time. Of the Bulldogs, Geoffrion was probably closest. Depending on how Leblanc looks when he comes back it might be him too.

        But those Defenceman, Bournival, Gallagher, etc… they all need AHL time. I’ve been stressing the need for patience on these guys for months now.

        Go Habs Go!
        Check out Top Shelf Prospects, my Team by Team prospect reports
        http://lastwordonsports.com/

      • Mr. Biter says:

        That’s why playing the younger players this year will help their devolpment and help management find out who is NHL material and AHL material. Also remember how many High School Star players (any Sport) go to University and are done as they can’t compeate against other star players who are bigger, faster and meaner. Same thing happens from University to Pro. Only the very good survive to play at the top level in any sport.

        Mr. Biter
        No Guts No Glory

    • New says:

      I think part of it as well was the nature of the Loafs broadcast. The play by play was Marlies orientated so you could go a minute or more w/o hearing a Dogs player named, and that was always well behind the play or off screen. I turned the sound off after a bit and the game was easier to follow. Sort of like a Bob Cole NHL game (He talks a lot but it isn’t about what your eyes see.).

      All that can give a fan a bad read. They don’t think “Bournival is everywhere…whoa…how’d he get that puck through.” instead they never hear his name, see the Marlies heading up ice after a turnover on a flubbed shot, and hear Mellanby read his business card but not be asked what that means in the context of being there.

      So they get discouraged and dump, just like during the season when the Habs do badly. Like hitting your head on the car hood striker. No one’s fault but your’s, still you turn and snap at the first person you see.

  25. 24 Cups says:

    When it comes to the big five for next year’s draft, everyone has heard about MacKinnon, Jones, Barkov and Monahan. Here’s a piece on Elias Lindholm, who would look great in a Hab uniform. If Montreal can somehow grab one of these guys, then the rebuild is truly on it’s way.

    http://hockey.dobbersports.com/

  26. habstrinifan says:

    I watched the Bruins-Habs 1977 playoff game last night on CBC. Bruins won (AGAIN DARN IT) that game to tie up the series but Habs won the series in six games.

    My observations:

    I have never bought the arguments that the brand of hockey played today is better than of those years. True today’s athletes are bigger and better specimens. But I think today’s coaching, all around the league, removes much of the skill from the games. I paid particular attention to the play by Lapointe, Robinson, Savard (even Nyrop) and of Boston’s defensive zone too. The things those players tried to do with the puck in their zones (not always successfully) would be BANNED by the coaches today and FANS (here on HIO) would yell at them for errors of commission. But it is the fact that they ‘played and used all their skills (and made mistakes)’ which made them great and the team responsible.

    Other observations:
    Nyrop was a damn smooth skater… we overlook him in our history.
    Houile was a tough bugger for a smaller guy. I was amazed at his grit on the ice.
    Gainey was truly a complete hockey player.

    Two players I have defended here many times stood out for me.
    Mario Tremblay. It is easy to dump on him for his coaching and the Roy thing….. but Tremblay put it all on the line when he wore the sweater. His attitude was like that of Henri Richard… billy goat tough. I remember being scared before games against the big-bad-bruins in the Gaaahden… only to stand and wanna join the fight when guys like Tremblay and Bouchard answered every damn challenge.

    And Cournyoyer. He was the captain. He was in every scrum when he was on the ice. Bet you dont recall him as that tough river rat eh.

    Was a great game. F-you Bettman for wrecking this league. F-you JM (and others) for the way you coach… the timidity and dis-use of talent.

    And of if you watch the game check out the LACK of that cycle SH#@##t. The rushes were all with one aim in mind make a play to get a shot from IN FRONT THE F-ing net. Sure they lost the puck more than you would see in a ‘cycle game’ but then they all had to be responsible to start their defensive roles and recover the pucks again.

    It was a beautiful game. And the hockey THEN was better than the hockey NOW by miles.

    Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!

    When Bettman goes I hope he takes all the ‘tight=arse’ coaches with him. It’s not his fault re the coaching I know… but deep down we all know it is!

    • HabFab says:

      Hockey really is a simple game.
      When you have the puck go to the net.
      When you don’t have the puck, go get it.

      Or in the words of Fred Shero “Always take the shortest route to the puck and arrive there angry!”

    • kempie says:

      Robinson was an absolute beast.

    • commandant says:

      Do you think there might be a reason that all those coaches are “tight arses”?

      Given two teams of equal or near equal talent, their system will win the game more than it will lose it today.

      Lets remember when we are talking about the 1977 team, that there are 0 teams in the NHL today with that collection of talent. Heck there might not be another team in NHL history with that collection of talent.

      It says a lot when even Scotty Bowman, the man behind the bench for those teams, evolved his coaching style, and started playing more of a cycle game with the Red Wings later in his career.

      Go Habs Go!
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      http://lastwordonsports.com/

      • HabFab says:

        Read an article in the last couple of weeks that due to the size, speed and physical fitness of the present players games will continue to be tight, close checking affairs. These items coupled with the new protective equipment being worn will also continue to cause excessive injuries especially head ones.
        The only way to open up the game is to go to bigger ice surfaces.

      • habstrinifan says:

        Commandant, I respect your knowledge and therefore perspective and viewpoints. You bring concrete contributions to this site much more than I do. And so I hesitate to disagree with you as strongly as I do now.

        On the point of the cycle.

        I gotta tell you, maybe cause I am in an ornery frame of mind today, I responded with real anger when you defended the ‘cycle game’ as inevitable progress in coaching. Cause I cant win when a sound and comprehensive hockey mind like yours see the ‘cycle game’ as genius emanating from necessity. And thus with the effrontery of an unlearned hockey Philistine, I (respectfully… honestly) call B.S on your support of that type of coaching. Not really to challenge you but because if someone like you approves it, then my objections are sadly futile.

        An argument from a true hockey mind as yours, which advocates for and reinforces the use of the ‘cycle game’ makes me throw my hands up in the air in despair. The ‘cycle game,’ in the offensive zone particularly, destroys the fluidity (may seem paradoxical) and beauty of the game of hockey. It’s like dancing with a woman with a prudish hip.

        • Chris says:

          This is precisely why I think today’s NHL is light years ahead of the 1970′s NHL. Watch that game again.

          Count the number of times you see a forward skating backwards through the neutral zone. You probably won’t need a second hand.

          Today’s players MUST care about defence, even the stars. No more 90 second shifts (another huge difference in the game)…coaches DEMAND that all players hustle all over the ice. The 1970′s and even 1980′s era hockey was just rife with guys floating all over the ice unless they were on a rush. Most of them would be tossing paper airplanes from the hot-dog box if they pulled that today.

          The cycle is necessary because it is **very** rare that a team can get into the offensive zone without 3-5 defensive players walling them off from the net.

          Those 3-5 players are bigger, stronger and faster and wear protective equipment so good that they don’t mind stepping in front of a slapshot. The goaltenders are huge, and their equipment even more huge, so there are almost no opportunities to score from the periphery. Every player knows every other player’s tendencies from all the video coaching they receive before games…there are no surprises out there. This might be part of the reason why so many journeymen break out with nice offence out of the gate but then regress back to the player they will become later. The other teams quickly assemble a “book” on how to play them, neutralizing the advantage of anonymity.

          Comparing today’s game to the past is apples and oranges because the equipment, the conditioning and the coaching have all undergone sea-changes in the meantime.

        • commandant says:

          I have no dispute that the old game was more “fun to watch”, more fluid, and overall more exciting. I think we agree there.

          Much like Chris though, I just don’t think the old methods would work against a team with a strong defensive system, dedicated to containing the middle of the ice and taking away an opponents speed and transition game. Much like the Devils played beginning in the mid 90s.

          I think you need to find another way, that the old technique is not gonna work unless you have the pure talent to greatly outclass clubs. Thats pure talent that Lafleur, Lemaire, Cournoyer, Shutt, Mahovlich, Robinson, Savard, Lapointe etc… etc…. had in 1977. Thats not the pure talent any NHL team has today, not in disproportion to other NHL teams anyway.

          Go Habs Go!
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          http://lastwordonsports.com/

    • Phil C says:

      I agree, modern coaching styles have squeezed all creativity out of the game. It is no different in the NBA with the zone defense, or in the NFL with the coaches calling every play from the sideline. In the NHL, it is partly because of diluted talent levels, as most teams in the NHL simply do not have the talent to play a possession game. I found it particularly frustrating with the recent Jacques Martin teams that did not have the line up suited to a cycle or chip-and-chase style, yet he forced it upon his teams. To be fair to JM though, it probably gave the Habs the best chance of winning, but I would have preferred to see what the Habs’ small forwards could have done if they had been allowed to carry the puck across the blueline.

      The women’s National soccer team attributes much of it’s recent success at the Olympics to a coaching change and an emphasis on a possession game. This style of soccer requires a high level of skill because the passing, ball support, and ball handling have to near be perfect. But when it is well executed it is beautiful to watch. I really enjoyed watching the women’s soccer this summer.

      I would love to see a team in the NHL to have the courage to play more of a possession game in hockey and put the onus on the players to be more skilled and creative. Unfortunately, when the defensive team really commits to a trapping style, one of the best strategies available to the offense is dump and chase.

  27. Psycho29 says:

    The flashback and fantasy games don’t bother me as much as it does other posters, but since when do they put the fantasy game headline (Canadiens’ Price stones Avalanche 2-0) in the online Gazette with the real stories??????

  28. HabFab says:

    And who were the unbelievers saying that Scott Gomez was washed up. He now has 2G + 3A in 3 games and “some” here wanted him sent to Hamilton. Imagine that waste of blue line gaining, puck carrying talent plus being a good teammate to boot. And now a goal scoring threat also. Boggles the mind!

  29. Cal says:

    Good morning all. As long as the league is in dire straights I thought this would be appropriate.
    http://calsnhllockout2012songparodies.weebly.com/

  30. mark-ID says:

    Man, that fight was to intense. What a warrior GSP is coming back from almost two years out of the ring.

  31. Boomer says:

    Dear Mr. Bergevin,

    We write this letter because we, the all knowing fans, know more about Hockey and managing hockey teams than you and you’re staff. Regarding your prospects we, the all knowing fans, have decided it would be best to do the following:
    Let’s throw them all under the bus because they haven’t produced 4 goals per game… What a bunch of useless pieces of crap you have in the minors and AHL… We don’t have time to sit around and let them develop we DEMAND they dominate on every level of competition and beat Gretzky’s records before their 21st birthdays. The arrogance of these sacks of pus on skates is so infuriating. How dare those insulant Gits you have prancing around in Hamilton, the QMJHL, OHL, WHL and overseas presume to think we would actually wait for them to mature properly! Who the hell do they think they are?? They’re no Grigorenko I’ll tell you that!
    So the obvious solution is to round them all up to be shot immediately. Or trade them away and watch as they flourish under new teams and develop into fine hockey players. In which case you will be receiving another letter from us, the all knowing fans, calling you a Schmuck for trading away players that would no doubt help our beloved team (that you have ruined one way or the other). Basically you’re F***ed no matter what you do because we, the all knowing fans, will bitch and complain no matter what you do, because that is what we love to do.
    You should have drafted Grigorenko even though half of us haven’t seen him play. You Should NOT have drafted Galchenyuk even though 90% of us haven’t seen him play. You should trade Gomez because every team is lining up to have him on their roster. And why did you sign Price to a long term deal again? yes he has dominated every level of hockey he’s played in, but seriously, why??? and how come you didn’t sign Zach Parise and ryan sutter? And why wasn’t a trade for Crosby made in the offseason? we, the all knowing fans, were able to make these transactions with relative ease on our Playstation 3′s in NHL13. How complicated is it to pick up the phone and dial some numbers to get these player’s on our team.
    But no doubt once on our team we, the all knowing fans, would Bitch and complain some more and write a letter to you, the idiot, because these hacks have not beaten Gretzky’s record by the time they were 21… WHY DID YOU SIGN THEM????

    Signed,
    we, the all knowing fans.

    P.S. keep up the good work.

    Edit: GO HABS!!!!

    • Cal says:

      Best post about our prospects and HIO reactions to them. Loved it! :D

      • 24 Cups says:

        I’ll tell you what I love, the notion that Galchenyuik, Beaulieu, Tinordi and Gallagher all should have been on the Habs this year.

        I realize that Galchenyuk is playing great in the OHL but in Montreal he would have been getting 8 minutes a game or sitting in the press box. Or playing out of position with the Hab secondary slugs. No thanks.

        • Cal says:

          You are so right. All of these prospects need the time to develop. The Dogs have a tough road so far because quite a few players in the AHL on other clubs would be in the NHL. Galchenyuk needs to dominate the OHL and WJC because it will be good for his development after missing a season due to his knee. When the NHL gets back it would be fine for them to evaluate him among the pros, but not if they plan to keep him up the rest of the season.

  32. ZepFan2 says:

    GSP, winner and still champion!

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    Ka is a wheel.

    Fans Theme: “You’re Breaking my heart, You’re tearin’ it apart” – Harry Nilsson

    You’re breaking my heart

  33. otter649 says:

    Yes I will miss it……

  34. Cal says:

    The hysterical John Bellyful takes CCR to new heights:
    http://johnbellyful.weebly.com/

  35. Mark C says:

    Most everyone’s favorite prospect wiping boy Danny Kristo had a goal and two assists tonight. He’s now 8-4-8 on the year.

    • HabFab says:

      Man is a moral deviate. Supplying drinks to 18 and 19 year old college teammates plus running through the snow in the middle of the night wearing slippers to answer booty calls from young coeds.

      As a side note, Frattin playing for the Marlies yesterday was the older teammate that Danny called to look at his foot that night. And who immediately picked him up and carried him to the hospital saving his toes.

      • Mark C says:

        Speaking of Frattin, he was way more of a moral deviate and he’s turning out fine.

      • Mr. Biter says:

        Hey when I went to University I’d also be running in slippers or no slippers at all to answer booty calls from willing coeds. The supplying of drinks to teamates may be a bit off but 11 of their roster(this year) are from Canada where they all can drink legally at 18 but yes it still is against the law in the North Dakota.

        Mr. Biter
        No Guts No Glory

  36. habsguy says:

    does anyone have any sites to get the GSP fight

  37. ProHabs says:

    Many of the prospect with the AHL Bulldogs are rookies. But that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be able to produce. In his rookie year in the AHL, fresh out of the QMJHL Benoit Brunet had 41G, 76A for 117 Ponts in just 73 games. Not bad.

    • SlovakHab says:

      AHL must have been different then and now.
      Stephan Lebeau had 134 points in 78 games – playing for the same team, same season, and same age as Brunet (20 y.o.)

      Sherbrooke Canadiens record was 47-24-9-0 although their no.1 goalie had GAA or 2.98 and SV% of 0.895

      What it tells me is that we should compare apples with apples. Your are comparing 2 absolutely different things.

      • HabFab says:

        Frig I’m old but can remember listening to Sherbrooke radio to catch the games for those two rookies tearing up the AHL. No AHL TV or internet in those days.

  38. HabsBeen says:

    This site is becoming pathetic. I can understand if it was still called Habs Inside/Out. You do realize there’s hockey outside the NHL right? I’m fed up hearing about the CBA and the players and owners being greedy. Don’t write about it again until they actually have a deal in place. No more same old, same old. No more Fantasy crap. No more 93 cup run. it’s 2012 by the way. There’s great hockey to be covered in Hamilton and the AHL or WHL or heck even the KHL. Get off your lazy asses and write about hockey!

    • JoeC says:

      Get off your lazy ass and find another site to read?

    • Sean Bonjovi says:

      …or just read the comments. Most of my posts are gibberish, but many of the others have lots of info about all types of hockey. Totally agree with your main point though. If it doesn’t have the name Dave Stubbs attached, the Montreal Gazette generated content on this blog is out of touch with the members’ interests.

    • HardHabits says:

      HIO is Tanking™ now that Mike Boone has been Maurice Richarded.

    • Chris says:

      You do realize that sending Pat Hickey or Dave Stubbs to cover European leagues is beyond reasonable in terms of economics, correct?

      How many people on here doing the whining about lack of hockey news actually subscribe to the Montreal Gazette? The Gazette actually gives us most of these resources for no cost other than whatever they can pull in by advertising on the site.

      A beat writer can travel around with the team on their charters and such, thereby saving the newspaper a ton of money. Who is going to pay for Stubbs to fly to Stockholm or Moscow? Because if he isn’t there, how or what exactly do you expect him to report on?

  39. Sean Bonjovi says:

    Totally off topic, but I grew up watching the American Hockey League and I got to see some great young players on the way up, some great AHL veterans who never made the NHL and some NHL players on rehab assignments coming off injuries. Here are some things I saw as a teenager.

    1. Donald Brashear (pre-NHL) was a goal scorer (thanks entirely to physical domination)

    2. It was OBVIOUS that Turner Stevenson (pre-NHL) was going to have a long career in the NHL.

    3. John LeClair (rehab) was way too good for the AHL

    4. Benoit Brunet (rehab) played better than I thought was possible. Brunet missed training camp with the Canadiens one year and started the season in Fredericton, and for two or three weeks he dominated and outclassed every other player on the ice in a way that I had never before witnessed in person.

  40. Phil C says:

    I only watched the first period of the Bulldogs game, but it seemed to me that they didn’t have their legs. This will come with more experience playing at the pro level. I suspect many of these young guys are seeing for the first time the level of fitness needed to be a pro.

    I also thought the Marlies had an aggressive forecheck which is a good strategy against a young defense. This is exactly the type of exposure these kids need. Once they adapt, it will be a different story.

    Nash seems like he is NHL ready. I wonder where he fits on the Habs depth chart? I suspect he will start in Hamilton, but it will be interesting to see if he gets a chance because of injuries. He seems like he has the potential to be a good all-round defenseman. The current Habs roster has too many specialists, so it would be nice to have more guys to send out in any situation.

  41. Haborama says:

    Well, at least we beat them in the Alley…….

  42. ZepFan2 says:

    Bruins vs Habs May 21, ’78 on CBC

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    Ka is a wheel.

    Fans Theme: “You’re Breaking my heart, You’re tearin’ it apart” – Harry Nilsson

    You’re breaking my heart

  43. Laramy87 says:

    I was at the Marlies-Bulldogs game in Toronto today and yeah it was a bad game down 4-0 with 3 SOG in the first period. Mayer is not exactly the best goaltender prospect.

    However that being said I was EXTREMELY please with Gallagher. He was by far the best player on the Bulldogs. The defence had a hard time controlling him. Ducking hits and setting up opportunities. I would have loved to see Leblanc, Bealieu and Pateryn. but injuries unfortunately. Tinordi was good, Ellis looked a bit tenative. I still feel that we have a very good group of prospects and a bright future.

    A 6-1 loss ya, but what do you expect from a team full of rookies playing against last years Western Conference champs. I may attend more game, live hockey is still fun.

    • Sean Bonjovi says:

      I saw a play in the second period where Gallagher crossed the blue line and got angle off towards the boards with another, covered Bulldogs player driving to the net. Gallagher played with the puck a little then flipped it about chest-high into the pile in front of the net. The goalie froze the puck and nothing came of it, but what I took away from it is that even at a high level of hockey Gallagher is confident and calm enough to use his brain and try to create a play out of nothing without assuming too much risk in the process. If the puck had gone in somehow we all would have called it a lucky goal, but we almost never see the Brad Staubitz’s and Petteri Nokelainen’s of the hockey world score those kinds of “lucky” goals.
      My expectations for Brendan Gallagher have been cautiously lower than many people’s, but little plays like that one change my mind a bit.

    • ooder says:

      Beaulieu is injured as well???? wtf

      ——————
      The 2010-11 Stanley Cup was not won, but given

  44. Propwash says:

    Correct me if I’m wrong….. But is that Pierre Houde calling the Habs-Nordiques game 7 flashback???

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    • Psycho29 says:

      Yes I think they are re-describing the game over the ESPN Classic version. Even the crowd noise is dubbed and there’s a strange siren at the end of the periods too…

      • Propwash says:

        I changed it over to the 1978 Habs Broonz game on cbc

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  45. Mike D says:

    With regards to the work stoppage and the meeting Monday, I’m hoping the two sides can find some middle ground on the contracting issues. If it was up to me, this is what I’d like to see:

    Agree to the owners proposal on EL contracts, salary arbitration, and the extra year of service before a player can become a UFA. Increase the max contract length from 5 to 7-8 years, and increase the y.o.y. variance from 5% to 10% (or close to 10).

    If cooler heads can prevail and they can come closer on the Make Whole, we may finally have some real progress.

    - Honestly yours
    Twitter: @de_benny

    • 24 Cups says:

      I’m all for a settlement but I also believe the NHL has to stick to it’s guns on the 5 year/5% provision. If for no other reason than to protect themselves from each other.

      As for the players, the main sticking point is how to work out an agreement that addressed the needs of the three main factions within the union – entry level players from years 1-5 (Subban), star players (Price) and the rest of the field who range from the league minimums (Noke) to the proven vets (Gionta/Gorges).

      In most cut and slash contracts these days it comes down to throwing the newbies overboard.

  46. Haborama says:

    If the truly pathetic performance of the Bulldogs so far is any indication of our prospect pool, it can be concluded that our future is just as bleak as the present. If that is the case (and I hope it isn’t) then MB should seriously consider trading some of our “prospects” while they still have value (assuming they had value to begin with) for players who can help now, or legitimate prospects who can help our future.

    EDIT
    Hopefully they will right their ship before this becomes necessary, i’m not saying that it should happen right now, but that it should be at least an option…..

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Understand your frustration….well maybe I don’t. The Dog roster is mostly made up of kids playing against men for their first time. Give them a few months, huh? Let them grow and, then see where they are. For the time being you’ll see one game great and the next, as you described it, pathetic. Keep the faith.

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    • Kooch7800 says:

      Glad you are not our GM. This bulldogs team is very young (2nd youngest in the league) and by far the youngest D core in the league. They had Mayer in night today who is sub par at best. The dogs played great last night but with their team being so young their season will be a roller coaster.

      To dump the prospects we have now would be the move of a Leaf GM. For NHL’ers on that team….Ellis, Tinordi, Beaulieu, Pateryn (currently injured), Bournival,Gallagher, Leblanc (injured) will all make the NHL. These guys need to develop

      The habs are actually doing a better job with their system. Trading prospects is the last thing they should do right now.

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

    • Mike D says:

      Don’t read too much into this one game ‘rama. It was a bad game for the ‘dogs but we have some solid prospects down there. Tinordi, Beaulieu, Ellis, Gallagher, possibly Leblanc, and to a slightly lesser extent, Bournival are all good players with the potential to make the big show and have an impact. Except for Leblanc who is injured, the other guys I mentioned are all in their first year playing pro.

      This isn’t to say that the other guys in Hamilton won’t make it btw. Guys develop at different rates and sometimes break out seemingly out of nowhere. Look no further than Max-Pac’s first call-up to the Habs compared to his last! Desharnais wasn’t even drafted and look at him last year.

      - Honestly yours
      Twitter: @de_benny

    • Boomer says:

      Hamilton is full of rookies and very rarely do rookies show up from the CHL, NCAA or overseas and dominate. Give ‘em time Hab.
      :)

    • HammerHab says:

      I agree. Our best players were invisible tonight….where were Geoffrion, LeBlanc, Beaulieu, Desjardins? Terrible.

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      It’ll always be Habs Inside/Out to me

    • neumann103 says:

      Ummmmm…

      No.

      “Et le but!”

  47. commandant says:

    In better prospects news. 2 goals for Collberg today.

    Go Habs Go!
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    http://lastwordonsports.com/

  48. Habfan10912 says:

    Daly confirms negotiations resume Monday in NY. “Their request. Their agenda.”
    And ” We will see if they have anything good to say.”


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