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The Canadiens played their worst game of the season against a tough, physical, up-and-coming team.
Three more against Atlanta.
Ain’t none of them going to be easy.
Poolio is the answer.
That is all.
Fact is, he had one succesful season out of four with the Habs. If you think that is the kind of play that should be elevated to legendary status, then by all means gor for it. It still won’t bring him back. Just like you elevating Halak to god-like status for one good playoff run isn’t going to change the trade we made.
Fact is, the team is doing well and it seems like the guys in the front office are steering this ship in the right direction, whether you want to admit it or not.
Reading double and triple-crossing motives into Mr.Gainey’s closed-door objectives may be a tad over-analytical and isn’t much of an improvement, Heppa; I’m sure you agree with this.
Because maybe Mr.Gainey did that because he KNEW that Kovy knew that his agent would know that Mr.Gainey knew what he knew that he never knew what Kovy knew, ah-hah! See what I mean?
So if Kovy had signed the offered contract right off the bat, knowing which side his bread was buttered on, Mr.Gainey woulda pounded the table in rage and cursed “Nuts! My plan backfired!” ?
To the numerous posters still talking about obtaining a 2nd line player – give it up already. There are plenty of offensive options still available, either on the team, or in Hamilton. We may not have the depth of O weapons such as the Flyers, but more than enough firepower within the organization.
The real issue awaiting exposure is on the D side, both short and long term. Markov out and UFA at years’ end, too many minutes for aging Spacek & Hammer, and as many poor performances from Gill as good. This will lead to stress on both PK and Gorges to perform beyond current roles. I think we could all agree that PK will be a top pair D in the NHL at some point, perhaps even before end of next season, but best spot today is to continue on 3rd pairing with PP sprinkled in. Picard works as a #6 or 7 D, but Habs will need at least one more top 4 D – thinkin’ sooner than later.
No top 4 D support coming from Hamilton (Weber / Carle), so Habs will need to work with another GM at some point to resolve. Hopefully not short term, but a move that would provide Habs with one of the top 4 slots filled for next season.
Also.. no matter what the extent of Markov’s injury, Habs need to allow him time to recover. Markov’s style of play, despite recent injury run, should see him contribute at a high level for a number of upcoming seasons. If we were to discuss wether PK or Markov was the more vauable Habs D-man two years from now, would it not make sense to have both under contract at that time? I am fairly certain Habs will sign Markov, but the injury makes a mess of issues such as term and salary.
Ugh. This rant makes me ill. First of all, just because YOU haven’t heard of a player doesn’t mean no one else has heard of him. Second of all, even if WE hadn’t heard about him, doesn’t mean he isn’t a good player. I seem to recall a lot of people questioning the Dominic Moore trade, the Jeff Halpern signing and other recent moves, because they basically knew nothing about those players. And guess what, those guys added a lot of value to the team.
As for the proven playoff here. What if Halak sucks in every other playoffs he plays from now on? Is he still a playoff here? Let’s just wait and see about the trade, okay? Halak is very good, no doubt, but let’s not bash the guys we got before they even get started, okay?
Also, maybe we could have gotten an established player for Halak, but that would have meant figuring out a way to clear considerable cap space, which is easier said then done, without looking like a “Mickey Mouse” club, as you often call it.
In the words of Carey Price, just chill out.
Then on to playoff failure.
No, that wasn’t winning. Last season? That was more like winning.
Well, impossible to make market-to-market comparisons, no?
Can we agree that if Eller turns out to be a solid top-six forward & Price stays Price, then we did well?
A “past-his prime” and toxic-asset and was never anywhere near his projected potentiality Bertuzzi.
That Todd Bertuzzi.
Oooooh, the 5 years down the line, and not the PRESENT where he’s got 2 pts in 20-some games? Ooooh, I see.
And, of course, you can SEE that future, right? “A gutsy and brilliant move”, now. Hey. Wow. Ok.
Well, I’m relieved. Tell Doc Brown I said hello.
Feh, using my artistic license.
Bugzed: there was a general discussion months ago about the contract offer by the Canadiens to Kovalev. One line of thought, which I believe had merit, is that Gainey made an opening offer to Kovalev knowing his agent would turn it down. Subsequently, Gainey was able to pursue other free agents he really intended to target all the while being able to tell the minority (but passionate) we-luv-Kovalev fanbase that he made every effort to try to sign the great and irreplacable Alex Kovalev. Gainey is smart. Your argument above is not as persuasive as you believe.
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Touche, Bugs! I also mentioned that point this morning so I guess I have to eat some of my words (which go well with a nice chardonnay!).
It was a gutsy brilliant move that can only be fully assessed in five years? Um…
I don’t buy that. A num1 goalie is a num1 goalie. Any usage of a Milbury deal as comparable is useless, first of all, and secondly, none of those goalies you name had accomplished HALF of what Halak had done afore being traded, so…meh. And THIRDLY, Vokoun, look, a #1 and a #2, not a #1 and #3 like we got, so even for VOKOUN, they got more in the deal. That was a bad example o use, Yahoo.
Singing the praises now of a rookie who no one had ever heard of afore the deal is hardly encouraging. I think we coulda gotten someone we had HEARD of instead and sung HIS praises.
Saying this is GOOD is just…crazy to me. I feel like offering you some beads for your car. I mean, this is a num1 proven playoff hero goalie, gimme a break. Bla-bla-the market. That’s cheap, man; borderline loser-talk. Borderline. Thiiiis close.
.. .couldna gotten more…pff! Then let ME do the talking, Yahoo! Let me do the talking. Cuz I woulda gotten more. Guaran-friggin-tee.
you are definitely on an island all alone.
It was a gutsy and brilliant move. Lars Eller has consistently shown flashes on brilliance,
This kid has got great game!
Anyway this type of deal, can only be fully assessed in five years, everyone is aware of that, at least it seemed everyone was aware, guess you did not get the memo
Ah. Well, in that case, I don’t know if you forgot, Twofer, but Mr.Gainey decided to “totally change the character and mindset of the team” by OFFERING ANOTHER CONTRACT to Kovy. No?
Like you say, after “experiencing things first hand”, he OFFERED ANOTHER CONTRACT to Kovy. Yes?
So to recap: according to Mr.Gainey, Kovy should still be here that the ship may be righted.
Isn’t that correct?
Hey you know I just checked out your profile. We’re practically cousins! I too loved Dale, and felt particularly pissed at the way he was spurned by the HHOF at first, People seem to forget that Gretzky to Lemieux started with Ower-chuk!
Anyway there is no denying the connections between the Habs and the Jets – it’s kinda natural.
A man’s attitude… a man’s attitude goes some ways. The way his life will be. Is that somethin’ you agree with?
Roberto Luongo was dealt twice, including in a deal for Olli Jokninen for Mark Parrish and Oleg Kvasha. He was then dealt for past-his-prime Bertuzzi and Bryan Allen, you call that value on dealing for No. 1 goalie work? (HIs playoff issues aside, his RS stats were excellent in FLA).
Tomas Vokoun was dealt for a 1st and 2nd-round pick, he’s one of the best goalies in the NHL statistically and we basically got the same return as Eller was a 1st-round pick and a 3rd-round pick (Schultz).
Ilya Brzgalov was nabbed on waivers.
Mikka Kiprusoff dealt for a 2nd-rounder.
I’d say the Canadiens did rather well considering the general goalie market this season and what it returned for top quality in the past.
- I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
* JD pushes readin’ glasses up his nose, clears his throat, and prepares to completely miss the point *
Well, technically speakin’, Andrew, Kovalev was drafted the same year of the Soviet Union’s dissolution so, in light of that, it would probably be a stretch to consider him a Soviet in the purest sense of the term, in particular given he was only 18 at the time and had probably not fully fleshed out his ideological philosophies.
So, no, that’s not really what I was sayin’. I was more thinkin’ along the lines of “Hushin’ any discussion regardin’ the Russian”.
Because he was magic, Jan. And magic is a GAME-BREAKER. Highs or lows, he’s ALWAYS dangerous. And he brings Drama to the team. And we LOVE Drama in this city.
Don’t buy in to the 1-in-4 business. It makes no sense. In his worst year with us, he got 47 pts. Playing 1-in-4 means he had a pt-a-game avg of 2.3 that year. Which is better than Gretzky and Lemieux.
Therefore, the “1-in-4 Kovy spiel”, as we can see with our own eyes, is a crock’o’poop.
Did Booner slip you some cash on the side to raise the hit count?
I could go back in the archives and dig up the culprits, many of whom I think are very sane, but there were a lot of people talking up Komisarek into the $5+ million range the summer before he was a free agent. That he ultimately got $4.5 million per season suggests that it wasn’t so insane, given that he had a bad season derailed by shoulder woes in his contract year.
Bugs – Gainey fired Carbo to go behind the bench and right the ship. Only after experiencing things first hand did he realize that the ship was headed to Pitcairn Island. When he came to that realization, he probably knew in his heart that he had to totally change the character and mindset of the team.
We can’t go back in time (or down that road) to bring back players from the past. It’s a road to nowhere.
As opposed to the Artiste leading us to 1st in the Conference two years ago? That WASN’T winning?
So what’s your explanation for the year after and the all the other shitty seasons he played here other than his one big season?
No doubt he loved playing here. It was the only place he could be built up as a legend for showing up consistently only in one out of four seasons.
Like others have already stated, he REALLY wouldn’t fit in to the type of team we are building, which is based on speed, intelligence, character and determination.
Don’t get me wrong, I enjoyed Kovalev’s highs just as much as the next guy, but the lows make him unworthy of a spot on this team right now.
Oh, it took sooo much balls’n’brains to get shafted on a deal for a num1 goalie; way to go, PG. Very impressive.
The only thing saving PG from being thrown off the Jacques-Cartier for the deal is the Kid’s play, not the return’s. Cuz he got OWNED, Doube-H, ok? Please.
And if you can explain to me how giving the Montreal Canadiens or Minnesota Wild ultimatums or throwing Carey Price under the bus are promotions of his clients I’ll tap dance naked on the 55 yard line at McGill stadium next weekend.
So what you’re REALLY saying when Bugs asks if we should sign Kovalev, is “Nyet, nyet Soviet“
Point taken – you were there. Just the way you worded it first made me think otherwise.
But if it’s as you say, that’s terrible.
I had some hockey taglines, but I don’t know where the puck I put them.
I don’t think any sane person on this website or any other every said Komisarek was a 5-6 million dollar player. His deficiencies were well known even when he was on his game.
Any ship can turn around with the proper coordinates as to new destination.
I think we should all give PG a lot of credit for having the B&B to trade Halak. B&B you ask?
Balls and Brains!!!!!
3rd line. Spot duty on 2nd. Full second wave pp shift.
Difference between Clark and Kovalev is that Clark played 10 more seasons of hockey in Toronto than Kovalev played in Montreal.
Gotta look at the net impact – pun intended – cause like most things in life, there are a few movin’ parts.
Kovy pots 50 points, but his UndermineFactor™ costs the rest of the team a collective 95 points.
Net, net, the Habs’ production is cut by 45 points.
That’s the empirical reason – regression analysis available upon request – why I’d be shoppin’ elsewhere for talent in the offseason, preferably younger, mouldable talent.
Fitting, the Artiste is ALL fantasy, baby.
Saying he’s playing with “no heart” is too trite for the guy who put up the most pts a season on the club in a decade and showed without question how much he loved playing for us.
That’s “heart”, mate.
Don’t understand what you mean by “G&G didn’t take us this far to then turn around and go back down the road from which we came.”
Yep. Mats Naslund came back and played half a season in Boston. Frank Mahovolich played for both the Leafs and the Habs. One of your heroes, Guy Lafleur, walked out on the team in a huff in the mid 1980’s only to return for a last kick at the can wearing the jersey of their arch-rivals, the Quebec Nordiques. If Habs fans want to talk insult, that one has got to rank up there.
I just don’t get it. I refuse to hate players that played their guts out for their teams, only to make a financial or personal decision when granted unrestricted free agency. These guys are not indentured slaves…they are hockey players trying to maximize their earning potential while they can.
If Habs fans want to give Ribeiro, Sergei Kostitsyn, Latendresse, or Samsonov a hard ride, that I can get behind…those guys basically checked out on the franchise while still under contract. Komisarek played to the best of his ability, often while injured, until his contract expired.
Besides, the vitriol of which I speak is how people revel in tearing apart his game now, as if he is the worst player to ever strap on skates. Yet a couple of years ago, people were in here talking him up to a $5 or even $6 million contract because he was so “good”. No middle ground, only extremes, for Habs fans.
What if he poisons it with 75 pts, sustaiined intensity or not?
you just made the same point I made. Lots were pissed because halak was traded. He was pissed today, because Price is playing well. Most fans thought we would lose without halak but never hoped we would. this guy was wishing that the habs would lose because he liked halak. It goes beyonf preference.
“I’ll take potent potables for 500, Alex” JB
Seriously? Pronger is dumber than a bag of hammers.
Sure that can be accomodated.
If you can’t give credit for what he accomplished with SLOVAKIA, when will you?
I saw that play and wasn’t sure why it was called off at first, I’d completely forgotten about the “Avery Rule” as I didn’t think even Pronger was a big enough **** to try that kind of garbage.
Bless you, 24C.
What works right now is the character & chemistry on the team. Gill, Gionta, Moen, Cammi, Gomez — they’re all remarkably low-ego guys and all want to win. What ever the opposite of ‘prima donna’ is, they’re it.
No thanks, I’m enjoying the winning, if it’s all the same to you.
“Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”
if the laffs can hang Clarks jersey up for no good reason so can the habs ….. mind you we are a classier bunch so it will not happen …… and if i may say so yes i was joking — one of my if not my all time fav player but not worthy of a jersey retierment i agree
WOW – crazy ending to OT in the Flames-Flyers game. With Philthy on the PP, Pronger, stationed in front of Kiprusoff pulls a quasi-Avery, waving his hand in front of Kipper’s face, just prior to a point shot beating Kipper glove-side. Goal disallowed, Pronger penalized!
EDIT – Woo-hoo! Flames win the shootout, Philly only gets the single point, continuing a great day of scoreboard watching so far (Bruins, with Thomas in goal, lose 3-0 to Carolina)
that is why i wrote “ever to play” ….
Not unless there was a stipulation in his contract that said that he had to grow his hair back. Like Samson, his power was in his hair.
Markov’s doctor describes injury as “disturbing”
It would take a lot of convincing, but if the team is still looking for offense, I could see it as a viable option. I think Kovalev would be held accountable in this locker room, and he wouldn’t be allowed to mope. Either way, my preference is not Kovalev, and never was. I’d much rather a younger, better option.
If, and only if, Habs’ management wants to undermine and potentially poison the strong chemistry they’ve built by bringin’ in guys of character who demonstrate a strong commitment to team play and, for the most part, sustained intensity, should Kovy be re-signed.
‘Cause baby, like a memorable one-night stand, Kovy was fun…
But there ain’t no prenup thick enoughAin’t no salary low enoughAin’t no ego wide enoughTo make me want to see him back
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